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TimcastIRL - Libertarian Party Endorses Black Lives Matter, Says We MUST Be Antiracist
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Thanks for watching.
tim pool
It has been raining nonstop.
And I'm quite upset about it because I wanted to do the skateboarding, but I can't.
I guess I'll have to settle with the fact that the Libertarian Party has endorsed Black Lives Matter and says we must be anti-racist.
Welcome to the TimCast IRL podcast.
My name is Tim Poole and I'm hanging out with some friends tonight.
adam crigler
What's up everybody, how you doing?
It's Adam Krigler here.
Smash that like button!
lydia smith
I'm sorry, that was too quick.
unidentified
What?
adam crigler
Are you kidding me?
But it goes to you after me anyway, why would you just jump back to this guy?
tim pool
She didn't want you to be able to say smash the like button.
adam crigler
Who doesn't want to smash the like button?
lydia smith
There we go.
adam crigler
Am I right?
tim pool
I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna get one of these buttons say how dare you but I'm gonna have it's gonna be you saying smash the like button so I can press it.
adam crigler
That's good.
We should do that.
What up everybody?
lydia smith
There we go.
Oh my goodness.
tim pool
Yes there's also Lydia, right?
Oh hey.
lydia smith
I'm producing.
tim pool
Oh man, the Libertarian Party has endorsed Black Lives Matter, and part of me wants to laugh, and I have, and the other part of me is kind of sad.
Not that the Libertarian Party has done much, but this is actually pretty significant.
The Libertarian Party is the third biggest political party.
They got four and a half million votes in 2016.
And I believe with this tweet, they just freed... So Joe Jorgensen, who's the candidate, just tweeted out support for Black Lives Matter, like a direct call to action, which is... I would say it steps of the line into authoritarianism, which is hilarious for the Libertarian Party.
But this probably freed up a large swath of their votes.
And I have to wonder, does the Libertarian Party want Trump to win?
adam crigler
Maybe.
tim pool
Yeah, maybe.
Maybe.
Maybe they're like, well, we're going to lose.
Say something to make sure people vote for Trump instead of us.
All right.
I endorse Black Lives Matter.
Boom.
It wasn't just about endorsing Black Lives Matter.
It was the overt Call to action which border like it's literally a call to take action, right?
So the heart of libertarianism is well, it's essentially leave me alone.
Don't tread on me Yeah, and she put out a call saying we must be anti-racist Anti-racism is a specific ideology.
Maybe she just didn't realize what she was tweeting but man Got some other weird wokeness emerging urban dictionary has gone woke and is now denouncing their Past existence, I guess?
adam crigler
The urban side of them?
lydia smith
Yeah, apparently.
adam crigler
They can't say urban things anymore for the fear of offending people.
tim pool
Yeah, they basically were like, we're not gonna be a platform for hate speech.
Oh man, these are trying times, but you know, maybe this is all going to push us to critical mass, where regular people are being squeezed so hard they just burst.
Like, how much pressure can this country take, you know what I mean?
And I have to imagine when you see that the dictionary, so it's not just Urban Dictionary, like the regular old dictionary is now saying the word homosexuality.
That word.
Offensive.
Can't say it.
unidentified
Oh.
tim pool
Not kidding.
adam crigler
Isn't that a thing?
tim pool
Can't say it.
adam crigler
But it's a thing, isn't it?
tim pool
Yeah.
adam crigler
Homosexuality is a thing.
tim pool
It's a word that defines something.
adam crigler
Yes.
tim pool
It's offensive.
So sayeth Miriam Webster.
I don't think it matters who's defensive, too.
adam crigler
Because one person on the internet got offended.
lydia smith
That's how they ended up changing the definition of racism.
tim pool
Yeah.
Well, hold on, to be fair.
adam crigler
I'm sure it was more than one person there.
tim pool
One person got offended on behalf of that one person.
adam crigler
Right.
tim pool
And so that was the call to action.
And so, you know, we're going to talk about all this stuff, so make sure, if you haven't already, you smash the like button.
Smash the subscribe button, the notification bell.
And I really do want to stress the like button, because apparently it has a huge impact on YouTube's recommendation algorithm.
People have been pointing out that we've been getting recommended way, way more because of the likes.
So if you really, really do want to support us, just smash the like button.
That's why Adam says it so much.
It's almost his catchphrase.
But we're also going to talk about, I guess, punk rock and just roll with it, because we're in a social justice, taken over the world kind of day, I suppose.
But, uh, other than that, you know, it's a tropical storm outside.
I think we all survived.
And then, uh, stay tuned, after the show, we're gonna play some music.
Adam's got, uh, some whiskey.
I don't know where that whiskey came from.
adam crigler
I don't know either.
What is it?
It's, uh, it's called Angel's Envy, and, uh, someone sent it.
lydia smith
Oh, cool.
adam crigler
So that's, I figured I'd try it right now because, well not right now, but later on.
Thank you for whoever sent that this way.
tim pool
There is also a really massive breaking news story that Trump has commuted the sentence of Roger Stone, but The reason we're not really going to get into it is because we don't have all the context pulled up, and to go through his case and Trump's position, the prison sentence and all that stuff, I thought that would be probably too much, because it literally happened like five minutes ago.
So I'm like, there's no way we're going to be able to pull up all the sources to verify everything we would need to verify, so we're going to roll with what we got.
The Libertarian Party has decided to get woke, and of course, they're backpedaling.
Ladies and gentlemen, I bring you now to Jo Jorgensen.
She tweeted, Well, following this tweet, there was a major backlash from basically everyone.
She got ratioed.
Of course, a bunch of internet social justice warriors were on board with this, but Telling the Libertarian Party that you must actively do something is kind of the opposite of what the Libertarian Party is supposed to do.
adam crigler
What's her middle name?
Is it Karen?
unidentified
It should be.
If we find out it's Karen, I'm going to die laughing.
tim pool
I'm sorry, I have to do this.
My friends, I give you the ultimate meme.
There it is.
adam crigler
Been going around for a while, right?
tim pool
This is super old, but it's perfect.
So I want to make sure it's clear as we start this segment, when I criticize the Libertarian candidates, it's not unique to Joe Jorgensen or the current party leaders, because this meme, for those that are listening, shows a beautiful, majestic fox Taxidermied.
for which it says underneath libertarian ideas.
And then the next image is this weird, scraggly Muppet looking thing.
lydia smith
Taxidermied.
tim pool
Taxidermied, is that what it is?
adam crigler
Yeah, he's terribly done now.
unidentified
And it says libertarian candidates.
tim pool
And it is a sad reality that the libertarian party just for some reason can't get a strong candidate.
Now Gary Johnson, he was probably as good as they could have gotten in a long time.
And then he had his Aleppo moment among other problems.
So let this be my, to be fair, disclaimer.
The Libertarian Party is not known for putting forth the best candidates.
Why can't they do it?
I just don't know.
I just don't know.
And I'll tell you what.
So the second tweet Joe Jorgensen sent out after the massive backlash Was, Black Lives Matter means standing in solidarity with a mourning black community as we fight together to end qualified immunity, police brutality, sentencing disparities, and the war on drugs.
Not support any organization by that name.
This is an overt and outright backpedal for one reason.
Calling for people to be anti-racist, saying, we must.
Look, man, part of the criticism they're getting is legit.
The Libertarian Party saying, they're going from don't tread on me to we must tread.
So naturally people are going to be like, yo, don't tell me what to do.
But anti-racism has an overt philosophy.
More importantly, They've actually tweeted this out, which contradicts what their actual goals are.
Libertarian-in-chief.
This is Todd Hagopian.
He's a 2020 Oklahoma Corporation Commission candidate, libertarian activist, chairman of the Northeast Oklahoma Region LP, successful businessman, he says.
And in this 3.5 rights and discrimination from the party platform, they straight up say, That we reject the idea that a natural right can ever impose an obligation upon others to fulfill that right.
Let me break this down for y'all.
The Libertarian Party has just asserted you must take action to fulfill positive rights.
Positive rights specifically mean that you must do a thing to fulfill it, versus negative rights where you can't do a thing.
Libertarians typically believe, for the most part, in negative rights.
Like, if you have a negative civil right, it means no one can infringe upon your civil rights.
A positive civil right means you must take action to fulfill and guarantee.
So this is where the big problem comes in when anti-racism is quite literally an ideology that says you must be actively conscious about racism, ending racism, taking actions to end inequities in daily lives.
And it specifically refers to actions white people must take that everyone else mustn't.
adam crigler
Just like they're doing in Seattle right now.
All white people need to go take this anti-racism training.
You know about this?
unidentified
Boom.
adam crigler
Only white people though.
tim pool
Yep.
adam crigler
Only if you're white.
tim pool
And they tell you you have to undo your whiteness.
So, I'll be fair.
Maybe Jo Jorgensen did not know what she was talking about.
adam crigler
Definitely not.
tim pool
But maybe then she should tweet out, I didn't know what I was talking about and that was a mistake.
adam crigler
But she doubled down.
tim pool
But she doubled down.
Anti-racism, you can look this up, it's not a new thing.
It's an ideology that's been held for a long time.
It's like, if you say you oppose racism, that is different from being an anti-racist.
Like, I think racism is bad?
I personally land on the side of, I think businesses should accommodate the public and should not be able to discriminate for a variety of reasons, because I am not a libertarian.
I'm a liberal, meaning I typically believe for the most part in liberty, but there are some things where I agree we have to figure out how to work together, and sometimes you gotta say, listen, you know, to give you this specific example, and I'll try and make it simple because it'll probably go on for too long.
If you're in a public place, funded by public funds and public taxes, I understand some people don't agree with taxes, but for the time being, if I'm putting in my money for the roads, the electrical, for the plumbing, the infrastructure, the police, the fire department, the national security, Then I don't think it's fair that you get to benefit from my contributions but then deny me services when you're using infrastructure.
That's kind of my position.
So I do think there's an argument there if you're in a more rural place, unincorporated or something, or you have a private business, or you have like a consultancy or something.
My position mostly falls upon brick and mortar and like the use of public places.
But for the Libertarian Party, they don't think businesses should be allowed, should have to adhere to any of this stuff.
So that brings me to, I believe this is, yes, Michael Malice.
I tweeted, I think Michael Malice just shattered the brain of the Libertarian presidential candidate because he asked, as the Libertarian candidate for president, do you support the repeal of anti-discrimination laws?
She didn't answer.
Because if she does, and she answers what she really thinks, I don't know.
adam crigler
Hold on.
tim pool
then she would get torn up. They just boxed themselves into a corner and I got to say it
really does feel like they're not, I'm sorry man, they've just done themselves in. I think at this
point we are going to see a massive number of voters flock to Donald Trump. I don't know,
adam crigler
hold on, hold on, before we move on from that, at the same time, didn't they just, in California,
tim pool
Yeah.
adam crigler
Didn't they like change their civil rights so you can discriminate?
So almost that is very libertarian of California, right?
Arguably, yes.
It almost feels like she's just pandering to that crowd now.
Well, obviously she is, but it's specifically about the rights and discrimination.
That's what they're doing in many of these places.
They're allowing people to discriminate again.
Maybe that's what people want.
Maybe that would be... I don't even know what the answers are going to be.
Seems like she is pandering to them and it's working.
tim pool
It is.
adam crigler
For some.
tim pool
So if we now have the Democratic Party... But not the Libertarians.
adam crigler
The Libertarians are pissed.
tim pool
Oh, I know.
adam crigler
Right.
tim pool
So here's what I'm saying, right?
Check this out.
This is 2016.
Gary Johnson got 4.488931.
4,480,931 votes.
adam crigler
This is after the Aleppo.
This is the result of it.
tim pool
So how many of these 4 million, first of all, will actually hear that she tweeted out support for Black Lives Matter?
lydia smith
I heard it.
adam crigler
But you're active on Twitter.
lydia smith
Yeah, I voted for Gary Johnson.
tim pool
Were you planning on voting for the Libertarian Party?
lydia smith
I will not tell anyone who was even thinking about voting for it, because I don't know yet.
I was considering it.
tim pool
Are you now?
No.
lydia smith
That's not libertarian!
How could you say something like that?
tim pool
It's the opposite.
Telling people what they must do.
adam crigler
I don't like it.
tim pool
Yeah, because the way I think about it is, for the libertarian party, it's like libertarianism acknowledges that other people believe other things.
To tell someone what they must do or believe is the antithesis of libertarianism.
adam crigler
Yeah, I don't like anyone telling me what to think or believe.
I don't like it at all.
I have the right to disagree with you.
You have the right to disagree with me.
We can talk about it, civilly.
I'm cool with that.
That's how I roll.
tim pool
So now we have the Democratic Party and the Libertarian Party and they're embracing intersectionalism.
Now I wonder if they'll try and backpedal on this because they're not going to win support from progressives.
That's insane.
What do they think was going to happen?
That like Antifa is going to be like, oh, hey, yeah, that settles it.
I guess I'll vote for the Libertarian Party now because they believe in like, I guess because they agree with them on police brutality stuff.
adam crigler
Antifa's like the attack dog of the Democratic Party.
Maybe that's not a fact, but that's just what I believe.
That's what I'm seeing.
They're not going to go libertarian.
They're going to vote for Democrats because that's what they were told.
tim pool
No, Antifa hates Democrats.
adam crigler
Really?
tim pool
But they would vote for Bernie if Bernie was a Democrat.
adam crigler
Ah, okay.
tim pool
Now that Joe Biden and Bernie have done the unity party thing, you might see a lot of these people be like, I'll take it.
Like, take the concession because you'll get some wins.
adam crigler
I mean, are they gonna be on the ticket?
This unity party?
tim pool
So, no, it's not Unity Party.
It's actually really funny that, you know, Brett Weinstein did the Unity Party thing, and then Joe Biden and Bernie announced their Unity Platform to unify the progressives and the corporate dems.
adam crigler
Unity Platform.
tim pool
Well, basically what happens is they're not advocating directly for Medicare for All.
They're advocating for a path to Medicare for All.
But they're advocating for a strong public option that would automatically enroll low-income people into a deductible-free, government-paid healthcare program, which I'm like, sounds like Medicare for All!
So it's basically like saying, if you're poor, free healthcare.
If you're not poor, suck it up and pay for it.
So here's what we— Look, man.
You know what?
I can't help but be a little pessimistic.
You've got the Libertarian Party embracing this stuff?
Oh, man.
Everything is broken.
You know, we had that story of the NBC guy who claimed that he had COVID.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
And then it came out that he just made the whole thing up.
adam crigler
No, no.
I read about it.
It wasn't that he didn't.
He was sick, but he was just saying, well, I've got COVID.
I've got COVID.
And it turns out, no, he didn't.
It was just regular pneumonia, which exists without COVID.
And that's what it was.
So they blew it out of proportion.
Probably the same thing.
tim pool
Yeah.
adam crigler
I mean, he probably didn't even have any sickness because I don't believe anything comes out of that man's mouth.
tim pool
He got food poisoning and was like, COVID!
lydia smith
Here's my chance!
adam crigler
Let's extort this.
tim pool
He ate a soggy burrito from the back of the fridge, got sick, and was like, oh, what do I do?
adam crigler
No, more likely he stubbed his toe.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Walking up the stairs, ah!
And then he looked at the bump and said, COVID toes.
adam crigler
COVID toes.
tim pool
Yeah, COVID toes is a real thing for those who don't know.
People are getting blisters on their toes and stuff.
lydia smith
Weird.
tim pool
But listen, here's how I see it.
If the Libertarian Party just made the, like, this is their Aleppo moment.
This is seriously the Aleppo moment for the Libertarians.
I wonder if, because Gary Johnson had the Aleppo moment, they may have already lost some of these votes.
And I don't think Libertarians are guaranteed to go Republican.
I think they're just slightly more likely, because they might take, like, I guess I'll accept some things they offer.
But most of the people I know who are into the Libertarian Party are like socially progressive in some ways.
But it's a unique thing.
It's its own thing.
I don't think they'll go for the Democrats because the Democrats are authoritarian, big government, and ideological.
But here's what I think.
Gary Johnson's Aleppo moment, for those that aren't familiar, was when he was being interviewed in 2016.
It was a 2016 cycle, so it might have been 2015.
He was asked what he would do about Aleppo, and he said, and what is Aleppo?
And for those that don't know, it's a city in Syria that was being under siege, ISIS and all that stuff.
And everybody in the politicosphere was like, What?
This dude's running for president?
And then so they had to explain it to him, and he went, oh, oh, yeah, Syria, oh, okay, well.
And that was like a huge gaffe for them.
I gotta be honest, though, that probably generated the dude a ton of press.
People who didn't know about him before all of a sudden were like, well, I'm not gonna blame him for not knowing the name of that city.
adam crigler
But I'm not gonna vote for him.
tim pool
Well, some people probably were like, I'll vote for him.
adam crigler
Well, four mil, four mil, 4.488.
tim pool
So here's what I'm thinking, man.
The endorsement of Black Lives Matter and the call to direct action, that I think is going to cost them bigger than they've... I agree.
adam crigler
I definitely agree with you.
tim pool
I think if you went to every single person voting Libertarian, 95% would walk away upon hearing she did this.
I could be wrong.
Maybe people in the comments will be like, no, no, that's fine.
We love what she's saying, but I really don't think so.
lydia smith
I'm not seeing a lot of that.
tim pool
No, people are... Not on Twitter.
Not on Twitter, no.
The Libertarians are like...
adam crigler
I have yet to see anyone that likes that she said that.
tim pool
Well, the left does.
I'm seeing Antifa be like, here, here, we won't vote for you, but thanks for the endorsement.
People are pointing out that if you actually look up anti-racism, it is this intersectionalism ideology condemning white people.
Like you mentioned, in Seattle, they're doing trainings where white people are being told to undo whiteness.
adam crigler
This just blows me away.
It's like, instead of letting racism die off, they want it on the forefront of everybody's mind.
And that's the opposite.
They're trying to perpetuate it.
They don't want it to go away.
They want to be able to have this tool to use as an emotional trigger for people nowadays.
Like, I've been researching so much about racism nowadays, you know?
And it's like, it really is not...
It's not as prevalent as they're making it out to be.
It's not.
It just simply isn't.
tim pool
Can we create an ideology and movement based on Terry Crews?
Terry Crews' ideas matter.
adam crigler
He's great.
tim pool
Terry Crews' ideas matter.
So for those that don't know, Terry Crews said, like, I don't care about the color of your skin, basically, you know, good people of all kinds, we got to come together.
He said we can't have Black Lives Matter become Black Lives Better, and he got attacked for it.
And then Don Lemon even was like, you walked into this, you should have known.
adam crigler
And he's like, you should have thick skin.
I've got thick skin, look what I've got.
And it's like, okay, well you were saying the exact same things that Terry Crews is advocating for seven years ago.
Actually, whoa.
Yeah, you're right, you're right.
Way worse.
tim pool
I didn't even say anything and you're like, wait, I know what you're saying.
adam crigler
Way, way worse things.
Terry was calling for equality, saying like, let's just all be equal.
Let everyone come to the table and have a conversation.
Don Lemon, that was not what he was saying.
He was like, pull your pants up.
His words!
Verbatim, he said that.
That was the number one thing on his list.
tim pool
He said a bunch of things that can get us in trouble.
adam crigler
Targeting a specific racial group that he is a part of.
That's all I'm going to say.
tim pool
Over cultural behaviors that exist among other races.
That's the issue.
Now you can argue, when it came to Don Lemon, that Don Lemon was talking specifically about his community.
But if you stripped, if you just took the words and put them on any other platform, you'd get banned outright.
I suppose you can say Don Lemon is speaking from experience.
That's why it was acceptable back then.
But he was saying Bill O'Reilly doesn't go far enough.
adam crigler
Yeah, Bill O'Reilly, actually, if we're going to get into the details, he was the one who was talking about what Terry was talking about.
How the family The family unit is really important and we need to really glorify the family unit because people are falling out and then they don't have that structure they don't have that that solid rock of what a family can give to people and Then then he was like, oh that's not far enough.
tim pool
Yeah, then he was like, I'm gonna I'm gonna Well, so here's what I want to bring this up, because there's a meme.
It's a photo, I guess it's a kind of meme.
Check out this photo.
I don't know where it's from, but you recognize it.
For those that are listening, it is the Black Lives Matter Revolution fist strangling the Gadsden rattlesnake.
And it says, we will tread.
This is amazing to me, because You know, when I showed this to my friends who are pro-Black Lives Matter lefties, they said, that doesn't mean they're authoritarians.
And I said, what do you think it means?
And they said, the Gadsden flag is used by racists.
So they're just pointing out that, you know, they're going to stop racism.
adam crigler
How does that make sense?
tim pool
It doesn't.
It's an excuse.
It's them being like, let me try and figure out how to justify this.
Based on what we saw from Joe Jorgensen, you can really start to understand the differences between, like, the core of what it means for libertarianism versus authoritarianism.
Saying, we will tread.
It's literally a part of what they do.
They say, we must do this.
We must be active.
We must tell people they have to do this.
We must police.
We must cancel culture.
We must do all these things.
We will police.
We will shut you down.
They say, there's another one that's an anarchist flag and it's a mongoose eating a snake saying, I tread where I please.
Again, overtly authoritarian.
It's amazing to me how these people fly the colors red and black, which is the symbol for anarchism and labor, I think.
Yet they're overtly authoritarian.
This is not anarchism.
adam crigler
It's fascism.
Borderline.
It's getting there.
tim pool
So the thing about fascism is that there's a kind of traditionalism associated with it, but the core of fascism and the Black Lives Matter fist is the exact same thing.
So for those that are not familiar, the fascist is a symbol of fascism and it is a bundle of sticks with like an axe.
It's a weapon.
And the idea was that all of those sticks tied together made a more powerful weapon.
The Black Lives Matter fist originated, I could be wrong about this, but it's from the Spanish Civil War where we saw the rise of communism and fascism.
The whole idea between the two groups was that we were stronger with unity.
And so the revolution fist was each individual finger coming together to be strong.
That's why they would hold up their fist.
Fascism specifically fell among certain groups that were considered to be more... It was like tradition versus progress.
That was like really the difference, I think, if you look at it now.
Of course, asking a historian will give you way more nuance in this conversation.
But if you look at the current understanding of fascism versus authoritarian communism, or the far left, The people who are, you know, as they describe far right authoritarian, believe in traditional family structures.
They believe in a wife, you know, being home to raise the kids.
Things like that.
They want the good old days, stuff like that.
If you look at the far left, they want to destroy the family structure, and they want complete hardcore progressivism.
Destroying old traditions.
adam crigler
Down with the patriarchy, is like one of the top on the list of the movement.
tim pool
That's actually a really good, easy way to explain it.
The far left says no patriarchy and fascism says patriarchy.
But they're both authoritarian structures.
That's why I think people often say they're fascists.
Because they do so much of the same thing.
In fact, there's a famous anthropologist associated with Occupy Wall Street who said a certain sect of the left gaining prominence has adopted fascistic philosophies to gain power.
And one of those philosophies is, quote, there is no truth but power.
And that's what we're seeing now.
So, when you look at them flying a flag saying, we will tread, think about what that means.
We are going to take an action against you.
Then take a look at what Jo Jorgensen said.
We must be actively anti-racist.
And you look at what anti-racism means, specifically, that you must take action to end racial inequities.
She is literally saying, we all must engage in an action against other people's beliefs.
adam crigler
Yep, that's true.
tim pool
Asserting her moral authority.
There's another big piece to this.
I gotta tell you, man, I'm obsessed with the fact that they tweeted this out because I politically fall on the libertarian side of things, though I'm not overtly, realistically when it comes to policy, I wouldn't consider myself to be a libertarian liberal.
But telling someone that their ideas are wrong is moral authoritarianism.
adam crigler
Yep.
tim pool
Straight up.
If I said, you're wearing a muse- tattoos!
Tattoos are wrong, and I will actively resist all tattoos, and I will fight- like, whoa, whoa, whoa.
I'm gonna let you do your thing.
unidentified
You know what I mean?
adam crigler
I like my tattoos.
tim pool
You know what?
I have my opinions about, uh, I don't know, veganism.
It's a good, it's a, it's a, it's a good one.
adam crigler
Sure.
tim pool
And I don't care if you choose to eat whatever you want.
I don't care.
adam crigler
I'm, I'm a very libertarian vegan.
tim pool
And there are a lot, there are authoritarian vegans.
Like PETA.
adam crigler
I can't stand those.
They piss me off.
It's like, you can't shove ideology down people's throats.
It doesn't work.
tim pool
Now imagine if you heard someone say, we must be actively anti-carnivore.
That's like, whoa, whoa, don't tell people what they have to eat, what they can or can't eat, you know what I mean?
adam crigler
Right, it's ridiculous.
tim pool
That's crazy.
adam crigler
The libertarian, so... That's not going to change anything.
That's going to make people want to go out and, I don't know, most people don't even hunt themselves, you know, more respect to obviously the people that do hunt for themselves, but...
You know, it's like, you can't expect the world to just change.
Same with like fossil fuels.
It's like, the world runs on fossil fuels right now.
We can't just, like you were talking about, Greta's like, end fossil fuels.
And it's like, how dare you?
Right.
You know, we can't just turn the, turn the switch off.
The society would crumble apart and we would all probably starve within a year.
tim pool
I just, I just, I just, I can't even.
You hear that?
adam crigler
Yes.
tim pool
I can't even.
lydia smith
Literally can't even.
tim pool
Literally, literally, literally can't even.
adam crigler
I'm not going to say it.
tim pool
There was, uh, I see this Facebook post from basically every single lefty friend I have where they're like, why are we trying to reopen businesses?
Just pay the businesses.
And I'm like, oh, these children, these uninformed, poor, naive children.
Could you imagine?
adam crigler
That's the true pandemic that's going on in this country.
tim pool
Like the little kids?
adam crigler
Ignorance.
tim pool
You know what I think it is?
I don't know if it was you mentioning this, but people have access to speak.
They have these platforms now.
adam crigler
Yeah, I said it yesterday.
Marcellus Wiley was originally saying it.
I was echoing it out, yeah.
tim pool
have always existed. Absolutely. Everybody is ignorant to a certain degree. It's true that
some people are more knowledgeable than others. And in fact, some people are more intelligent
in terms of like their ability to understand and, and, and, uh, you know, break things down
and rebuild today because of social media, we have leveled the playing field, which is good
in many, many ways because it upsets the power structure.
It was a problem when our media was controlled by people just because they were wealthy.
And it was like, we had a better system in America than we've had in a long time, because class used to be based on your birth.
Now we literally had upward mobility with the rise of this new world.
But you still had people born into wealth, so class still existed, and it was still mostly about, you know, if you wanted a job... And this is still true for the big news outlets.
I would say the overwhelming majority of the people who work for mainstream media come from very wealthy families, or relatively wealthy families.
adam crigler
Yeah, they gotta try to maintain that control.
tim pool
Well, so here's how it works in New York.
Nobody.
If you want to get a job at the New York Times, you have to do some kind of low-paid internship.
It used to be unpaid.
Who can afford to live in New York for $10 an hour?
Nobody.
Exactly.
Unless your parents pay your bills.
That's true.
So this means that poor people never get into these positions.
But this also means, and it's also important to say, just because you're rich doesn't mean
you're smart.
So there was a tendency of people who were educated to work at these outlets, but now we have access to the internet.
Every single person, no matter how stupid or smart they are, has the same access.
Now there's some good news here, meritocracy.
Smart people, and well, a combination of smart and hard work, and your voice will be louder than many others.
But it is hard to rise above when you are surrounded by a bunch of really dumb people.
And now what do we get?
adam crigler
Man, and they're clustering up too.
So you get those dumb people that have this platform called the internet and they blast something out there.
And then you get all those other ignorant people that also don't really understand things, but it kind of, it proves their point.
They're like, yeah, that proves my point.
I'm going to shout it out.
And then it goes to another circle of ignorant people and then it just spreads the ignorance around.
Yup.
tim pool
So then what do we end up seeing?
Facebook has devolved into a place where stupid people screenshot tweets for half-baked political ideas and then just post them.
adam crigler
Or just pass along like memes that have stats on them.
tim pool
Yeah.
adam crigler
Like I saw one today about Trump's approval rating.
Someone was posting it up.
You know, it's like, it's at an all time low.
And I'm, I'm like, where'd that info come from?
unidentified
I don't know.
adam crigler
No, no response at all.
And I'm like, hmm, I'll do some digging.
Sure enough, it wasn't real.
And I'm like, this is where you all are getting your news.
You're an embarrassment.
You're an embarrassment.
I can't believe you're my friend.
tim pool
It's exactly like this conversation we've had several times where we mentioned, you know, some dude on Twitter, it was a Yang supporter, when I was talking about if the economy grinds to a halt and no products are being made, then what do you do with the money anyway?
adam crigler
The food comes from the store, Tim.
tim pool
Exactly.
The food comes from the store.
lydia smith
Luke grows on the shelves.
tim pool
Like, when you were a little kid, and your parents just came with stuff, as far as you could tell, they could just have anything they wanted.
And I think it's funny, because, like, little kids really do this mentality that, when I'm an adult, I'm gonna have, like, three Playstations, and I'm gonna eat nothing but cookie dough.
Like, all the things they wish they could have and they want, they think parents can just get.
And then they get older and they realize, like, what's all this other stuff I gotta deal with?
Taxes?
adam crigler
No one taught me taxes!
lydia smith
Yeah, seriously.
adam crigler
Why aren't we taught taxes?
tim pool
That's a good question.
adam crigler
Why is that not a class in all schools?
lydia smith
Everyone deals with taxes.
adam crigler
You have to pay taxes.
Why don't we get taught how to understand them, what they go towards?
What is going on?
Clearly we need some reforms, you know.
tim pool
That brings me to this meme.
This meme.
lydia smith
There's a meme?
adam crigler
No, you know, before we move on.
Yeah, it's great.
tim pool
I'm not really moving on.
adam crigler
Yeah, it's great.
I just don't want to lose this thought.
It's people, what really annoys me is that if you disagree in one thing, it's like suddenly they put you in this bracket that you disagree with every single thing that they believe.
And that is another thing.
It's not just ignorance.
It's the disallowance of not letting anybody, if they disagree with one thing, you suddenly now, you don't agree with me at all, so you're just the enemy.
And you know, it's more of this division.
They're dividing us.
And it's ridiculous.
tim pool
And you're driving a conversation, but they want the anger.
adam crigler
Right, they want the anger and you've already been put in this bracket of you don't agree with me with this one little tiny minor thing.
So civil conversation's gone.
You can't even have a conversation with them anymore.
It's just, you disagree with every single thing I say.
Did you just say all lives matter?
Oh, so you're a racist and you think black lives don't matter.
And it's like, no, no one thinks that.
They're trying to tell you.
It's two people trying to convince each other that the sky is blue.
That's what I'm seeing.
It's like, Lives, in general, really don't matter.
We're all dust.
We're all gonna die.
That's a reality.
Like, I've seen a lot of death in my life.
I've been around a lot of close people to me have died, so I've seen it.
A lot of people don't even see it.
So when it does happen to them, the emotions flare, and if they're not, you know, in a sound place, then it just flares out of control.
tim pool
Some of these people take this to a dark place, though, and it makes them negative nihilists, I call it.
People who believe that, you know what?
This is it.
It doesn't matter.
I won't be alive to see it, so why bother?
I once had a conversation with a hardcore Antifa, SJW person, someone I know back from Occupy Wall Street,
who used to go on Twitter and just rag on me.
And I was like, why is this person attacking me on Twitter all the time?
I don't get it.
And we both had comparable followings at the time.
And so one day, through the fact that, I mean, we're in similar circles, like during Occupy Wall Street,
we ended up at the same place and we had a conversation.
And it turned out that this individual was actually incredibly intelligent.
And we had a conversation about liberty, freedom, rights, and we 100% agreed on everything.
Even philosophy.
And I was like, wow.
So why is it that I'm all about helping, you know, trying to inform people, let them make the right choices and live freely, and you're all about, you know, destroying the system?
And this person told me, I take sort of this nihilistic understanding of the universe in a positive direction.
The only meaning that exists is the meaning we give our existence.
That means I can't tell you the meaning of life, but I do know that I will do my best to help you fulfill your existence.
So it's like I've chosen what my meaning is.
adam crigler
Yeah.
Make your life matter.
tim pool
Prove it matters.
Right, so it's like you make your own meaning almost.
The other person said, it's pointless to even go that far.
Wouldn't it be more fun just to watch the whole thing burn to the ground?
So this is somebody who right now is still prominent.
I believe writing books, published in major papers.
Pretending to care about racism who told me explicitly, I just want to see it all burn.
Cause it's funny.
Literally the joker.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
And I was like, that's sad to me.
That's evil.
Like you, you know what you're doing.
And my thing is like, how can I make more people feel good?
And your thing is how can I cause more suffering?
I'm not exaggerating.
It was literally like, but isn't it more fun just to watch it all like break apart and collapse.
adam crigler
Right.
And you know, this is another thing.
It's like people, when someone says all lives matter, suddenly it's like they think, well, you don't believe that there's bad people out there then?
Oh yeah?
It's like, no, no, no.
Everyone knows that there's bad people that exist.
There's evil humans.
People can be terrible.
We look at the history of human beings.
That is not, I mean, it's not arguable.
Like we know it, you know, slavery is terrible.
You know, and it's going on today, right now, across the globe.
It's happening.
They're building your computers.
You know, it's like, it exists.
tim pool
But this is the ignorance of these people.
adam crigler
You're right.
tim pool
And the ones who actually know, they create stupid, like, it's sophistry, man.
There's people who are smart enough to argue in favor of their fractured ideology to give stupid people what they think is a rebuttal, which isn't.
That comic I often reference, yet you live in society, ooh.
You know, the peasant saying we should improve society somewhere.
It's like, if you're talking about improving society while actively whipping someone, that's a better version of that comic.
It's like, no dude, you want to improve society?
Put the whip down.
But I'm more effective with my whip.
The slaves, they keep working.
That's literally what they're doing.
I want to improve society.
Yeah, for you and the other people with whips, but not for the people who are doing the labor.
They pretend.
It's a game.
Which brings me now to the end.
adam crigler
And ignore specifics, too.
They ignore anything that doesn't fit in their little hallway of what their life perspective is.
They're just like, oh, it doesn't fall into this?
Then that doesn't exist.
tim pool
I want to show you some memes.
adam crigler
Yeah, go for it, buddy.
tim pool
Because the Libertarian Party, this year at least, is, uh, oof, that boat's sinking.
So first, you have the Gadsden flag, which I'm sure most of you are familiar with.
It says, Don't Tread on Me.
And people have made memes mocking them, and I think they're all very funny.
I don't care if you think they're right or wrong.
This one I thought was funny.
I chose this one because you mentioned taxes or whatever.
adam crigler
It is funny, though.
We're not taught.
No one's taught how to do taxes.
You've got to figure it out on your own.
It's like, why wouldn't we want people to know about that?
tim pool
It's a sad snake.
Crudely drawn that says, I'm too stupid to understand taxation.
Clearly they're trying to make fun of libertarians who don't like taxes.
I don't care if you agree with it or not, it's a funny picture.
That's the point.
We're allowed to laugh at things.
This one I really love.
This one I dedicate to Sargon of Akkad.
It's a fancy-looking snake with a cane and a top hat of some sort saying, I do say, mind where you walk, old chap.
I love it.
That's a great one.
But what I'm really getting at is while there are many jokes, I specifically requested the opposite of this.
And it's a snake being stepped on.
We begin to see the complete and total degradation of, you know, the Libertarian Party, which many of you may be familiar with these memes.
First of all, this one's funny.
It's a Lego.
Don't tread on me.
That I definitely won't.
Next, we have no step on snack.
This was one of the memes that went around.
Don't tread on me.
No step on snack.
It's funny.
Ha ha.
Then we got steppent.
And it's a squiggly line.
And finally, don't.
This is where I think the Libertarian Party is at right now.
adam crigler
Yep.
tim pool
Like, don't.
Don't what?
I don't know.
It just doesn't even make sense.
But welcome to, uh, whatever this year is.
It could not get crazier.
unidentified
I don't know if like— Woah, don't tempt 2020 to prove you wrong.
adam crigler
Okay, okay, hold on.
tim pool
Please.
unidentified
Maybe.
tim pool
Halfway through.
adam crigler
You think it couldn't get crazier?
tim pool
No, no, no.
Maybe we're over the bell curve, man.
unidentified
Maybe.
tim pool
And we're gonna calm down.
adam crigler
I would love to believe that.
lydia smith
I would like to think that.
tim pool
Actually, I think if you look at it, the bell curve is the beginning of the year we got gradual craziness.
Then it got really crazy, really, really fast.
But the far side is the level of craziness is increasing.
unidentified
Oh, no.
tim pool
That's the bell curve is low craziness, maximum craziness.
And now we're gonna go down the roller coaster.
Well, specific instances, the volume of crazy moments will decrease.
The severity of the crazy will increase.
adam crigler
Great.
tim pool
I mean, dude, you ready for this next one?
adam crigler
Yeah, let's do it.
tim pool
Urban Dictionary.
lydia smith
Yeah, there we go.
tim pool
This must be a joke.
I'm going to preface this by saying, I believe this is very likely to be a joke.
adam crigler
Okay.
Satire.
lydia smith
I can't tell anymore.
adam crigler
Yeah, I hope it is also.
tim pool
So do you know what Urban Dictionary is?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Do you want to, do you want to?
adam crigler
Sure.
I mean, it's, it's when you hear a word that some youngins using some savvy, you know, person that is using the new slang and you have no idea what it means.
You can check out Urban Dictionary and it'll explain it to you.
And it's great.
tim pool
User generated.
adam crigler
Yeah.
You can, it's, it's great actually.
I love it.
Everyone I know has used it.
tim pool
Can you check if Florbo is in the Urban Dictionary?
lydia smith
I will check.
Let me look that up right now.
adam crigler
It should be.
lydia smith
Yeah, it sure should be.
tim pool
Somebody messaged me that we had to change the spelling to F-L-E-U-R-B-E-A-U-X.
Oh my god.
Yeah, good call.
adam crigler
Fleurbeau.
unidentified
Fleurbeau.
adam crigler
Is that French?
Yeah, it's in there.
Is that French?
You did that.
tim pool
I did not do that.
adam crigler
I think you did.
No, you created Fleurbeau.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
As a soft... Right, but all you did was just come up with Fleurbeau.
lydia smith
Let me read the definition.
adam crigler
So by you doing that, you did that.
lydia smith
What is the definition?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay, so Fleurbeau is a proper name to be used in place of a pronoun.
Here are some examples.
Sam identifies as non-binary with the pronouns they, them.
There's a better example of that, though.
use of gendered language. John, oh great, Florbo is offended again. I wish that Florbo
would just shut up already. So I'm assuming they're referring to Sam Smith, who was the
topic of conversation when we were talking about Florbo's.
tim pool
There's a better example of that though. So the two examples for what Florbo is, for those
that don't understand, would be someone says, I am gender non-binary and use they them pronouns.
Mr. Shapiro says, I am not a fan and I would prefer not to use language that I don't recognize the ideology behind.
However, in agreement to not offend either party, the debate moderator says, I will refer to you both as Florbo.
adam crigler
Yep.
tim pool
That way no one has to use a word the other side is trying to make them use.
And the Florbo was meant to inspire image of like Kirby or like a fluffy marshmallow man, you know, Florbo or something like that.
You know, I think, I think like, you know, Flubber was probably like an inspiration.
unidentified
Sure.
tim pool
It's like what I was thinking of, like a little jelly jiggly man who's happy and fun.
adam crigler
And bouncy.
tim pool
And bouncy.
And it was supposed to be kind of a not, you know, kind of just like a no one's really going to be mad about it.
I don't know.
So that was the idea.
And Urban Dictionary ended up getting an entry for it.
And many people started using the word.
The general idea is if you don't know what someone identifies as, instead of getting into a position where they say, actually, my pronouns are, you say Florbo.
And if they say my pronouns are whatever, that's fine.
Florbo.
Florbo is a word that's not part of any whatever.
And we can have a non- It was supposed to be like, there's no way to win an argument when there's no fence to sit on, so I made that fence.
lydia smith
That's right, he built it.
tim pool
I hammered those fence posts in, and I said, floorbow is the middle.
adam crigler
So saith I. Good for you.
lydia smith
And it works.
tim pool
Okay, well anyway.
lydia smith
It got into Urban Dictionary.
tim pool
Urban Dictionary has thrown in a towel.
lydia smith
Oh no.
tim pool
You ready?
I'm going to preface this by saying this may be a joke, because Urban Dictionary is like as offensive as they come.
But this got published to Facebook.
They wrote, 20 years ago, urban dictionary started as a place for
everyone to share their language.
It was intended to subvert the authority of the traditional dictionary,
and to document our messy, weird, and unpredictable language as it evolved.
Every day, regular people add thousands of definitions, making it a living cultural document.
Since 1999, our community has written over 12 million definitions.
We're proud that Urban Dictionary has become a source of laughter and an irreplaceable reference made by and for the people.
But over the years, online discourse has changed, and so have the words we're receiving.
Like other online platforms, we've been inundated by hate speech and abusive content targeting women, BIPOC, And LGBTQIA+, and other vulnerable groups.
Hate speech and abusive content online can cause real harm offline.
It can also make people feel unsafe to speak up and share their language, silencing entire groups of people.
This is not what we want for our platform to be for.
I'm going to pause right there and say, therefore, we're going to be silencing large groups of people!
unidentified
Hahaha.
tim pool
Anyway, they go on.
Urban Dictionary plays an important role in defining language on the internet and popular culture.
To do this right and to earn the role you've entrusted us with, we need to make sure our system measures up to our values.
The site has always been a place for people who define the messier edges of language, but we can't allow to foster hate.
Words matter.
It's kind of our whole thing here, but actions matter more.
So now we have bullet points.
We will not allow Urban Dictionary to be a home for hate speech and abusive content.
We support the work of Black Lives Matter to dismantle systemic racism.
We accept our own responsibility to fight racism and hate and acknowledge that we have failed to keep abusive content off the site.
We take this work seriously, and it is our priority.
We are reviewing our core processes on how words are added, reviewed, published, and removed.
We are investing in technology and human review to better enforce our standards.
We'll post updates on our progress here.
We will change as hate speech changes.
No single fix will work forever.
Hate speech and abusive content will evolve, and we are committed to changing our policies to meet it.
As we rethink the dictionary, we want to hear from you.
Urban Dictionary is written by you, and we want you to be involved while we decide what is and isn't acceptable on it.
Please share your thoughts in the form here.
There's a link.
In a few weeks, we'll share what we've learned from your feedback.
adam crigler
I got one thing to say here.
Reform 230.
Boom.
Reform 230.
And this, which is very clearly not a joke.
tim pool
Yeah.
adam crigler
That's not a joke.
tim pool
I know.
I just have to say that because Urban Dictionary is probably one of the most offensive websites that exists.
Especially for a mainstream website.
Like, you can type in any racial slur and get some of the most ridiculously racist and offensive posts.
The whole thing.
There are words used in slang in the real world and online that are racist.
Is Urban Dictionary going to start banning them?
adam crigler
Yeah.
Racism exists.
You know, it exists.
No one says it doesn't exist.
tim pool
People are just going to make up new words, man.
You know, there was a period where, uh, I don't know exactly the full details, but there were certain groups of people that started using, uh, they replaced racial slurs with words like Facebook, Skype, and Twitter.
And so they would say things like, you know, those Facebooks were doing this or whatever.
And the gag was that if they use the word to represent a racial slur, eventually, like, they can't do anything about it.
Because the platforms can't ban their own name.
even if they decided to ban certain... Sneaky. So it's a guaranteed win, that was the idea,
because a bunch of articles got written about it, saying like racists are using the names of
major brands as racial slurs. What's Facebook going to do?
In certain contexts, our name is a bannable offense.
They can't do that.
It's their brand.
adam crigler
That's a good point.
tim pool
They can't use a robot to do that.
So how do you actually stop people from doing it?
They couldn't.
And so, people did.
adam crigler
That's a really good idea, Tim.
tim pool
No, it's not a good idea.
I'm saying it's something that happened and eventually died out and nobody cared anymore.
adam crigler
Right.
Because most people aren't racist.
tim pool
Right, and there was no big movement because nobody... I think the issue with that idea is a lot of these people probably thought it would become a trend until you realize most people aren't racist and didn't want to use that language.
adam crigler
Yeah, most people just don't like people who suck.
tim pool
Stop being mean to my friends, you know what I mean?
You can make jokes and stuff, but this is it.
Urban Dictionary is supposed to be about jokes.
Not anymore.
What is Urban Dictionary now?
You're gonna be like, I'm gonna make up a word called, like, Mor- Mor- Morbeth.
Morbeth.
And it's when you, uh, when you accidentally drop a marshmallow in the campfire.
unidentified
Whoa!
tim pool
It's like, it's like we're becoming moral.
It's, it really is becoming that jokey Flanders family.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
You know?
Wow, man.
Isn't that crazy?
Think about Ned Flanders and his kids, Rod and Todd, and how they're like, he goes, okay kids, it's seven o'clock, time for bed.
And they go, yay!
And they run into bed and then shut the blinds.
Like there's all these weird moments in The Simpsons where they're celebrating really awful things.
So then there's like one where Ned's like, who wants nachos?
And they're like, and then Bart needs to run in.
And he goes, Flanders style, that's cucumbers and cottage cheese.
So that's what's happening.
It's what we're gonna get.
I'll tell you why.
adam crigler
Equilibrium.
tim pool
Our dictionary is changing.
Our urban dictionary is changing.
The Libertarian Party is endorsing it.
You know what the thing about the Libertarian Party endorsing this is that's the most, I think, insidious?
adam crigler
What?
tim pool
They endorsed it without even knowing what it was.
adam crigler
True.
tim pool
And that means a lot of people will.
And once these ideas enter... So, it's the Trojan horse.
The Libertarian Party says, yeah, opposing racism is a good thing, endorses it outright, then everyone sees it as normal, and then the people who run these organizations say, here's what it means, here's what you gotta do now.
So for those that aren't familiar, the definition of racism has changed in the actual dictionary.
They created a circular definition.
Racism is one, a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities, and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.
Two, A doctrine or political program based on the assumption of racism and designed to execute its principles.
To be a political or social system founded on racism.
3.
Racial prejudice or discrimination.
Now the problem with this, and many of you may have heard this already but I'm just giving you context because I got another definition to show you.
Basically what they did, because of political pressure, is they included systemic racism in the definition of racism under the word racism.
What they're describing in these definitions is systemic racism, not the word racism.
This creates a circular definition because they use the word in the definition of itself, which means you create a recursive loop.
So the dictionary would read, a political or social system founded on, a political or social system founded on, a political or, and it would never end.
It would just be an endless recursion.
Because they define the word by itself.
Now you could argue, you can use the first definition to define the second definition, but that makes literally no sense.
And now, I bring you the best part about the change to our dictionary.
This is Merriam-Webster, since 1828.
This stuff is here, it's here to stay.
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the word homosexuality.
Now sometimes offensive.
See usage paragraph below.
Two, now sometimes offensive.
See usage paragraph below.
And the usage paragraph below does not explain anything.
They're just literally saying the word itself is offensive.
adam crigler
So they don't even explain what it means?
tim pool
They don't explain why it's offensive at all.
adam crigler
But, go back up though.
Where's the definition?
Oh, there it is.
tim pool
Okay.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Sexual or romantic attraction to others of one's same sex, the quality or state of being
gay.
Two is sexual activity with another of the same sex, but those are both considered to
be offensive in certain contexts.
So they included that, that this word is offensive and you need to understand the context.
adam crigler
So now, see, this is what I've been talking about.
They're making it offensive by telling everyone it's offensive.
Now they're teaching that it is offensive, that it is a thing, that racism is a thing, that most people are racist.
I'm obviously expanding on the idea, but it's the same.
They're just trying to convince everybody now that it's not.
There's nothing wrong with homosexuality.
Some people are okay.
That's fine.
Who's offended by it?
Why would they be offended by it?
tim pool
Well, this was actually brought to my attention by Ariel Scarcella.
adam crigler
Okay.
Was she offended by it?
tim pool
No, she was confused by it.
adam crigler
Right.
tim pool
And she was like, I don't get it.
adam crigler
Right.
She's smart, articulate, and you know.
tim pool
And she's a lesbian.
adam crigler
Yeah, and it's like, okay.
tim pool
I defer to her.
adam crigler
I do too.
She speaks out a lot about this kind of stuff.
And it makes no sense.
tim pool
You know the George Orwell quote?
adam crigler
Which one?
tim pool
Records were falsified, street names were changed, history was erased, yada yada.
I mean, it's all literally happening right now.
adam crigler
Exactly.
tim pool
The 1619 Project has begun to rewrite and erase our history.
They started, under that same pretext, painting our streets, renaming our streets.
A street in each of the five boroughs in New York has been renamed.
In DC, I think Chicago did the same thing.
They're charging people with hate crimes.
They're actually investigating.
You probably saw this.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
The car that drove over the crosswalk.
adam crigler
They arrested somebody for it.
tim pool
Are you sure they arrested him?
adam crigler
I read that they actually arrested someone for it.
I don't know if it's the right person, but it's crazy that you can rip down statues of people.
tim pool
Oh, yeah.
You know, American- No investigation.
adam crigler
Founders.
Well, there is now because of Trump's executive order, but it's, you know, to They have video footage of the person, you know, peeling out over the the Rainbow Street, and it's a hate crime.
tim pool
It's like... They weren't peeling out.
adam crigler
They weren't.
tim pool
There's no evidence to suggest that.
adam crigler
Right.
tim pool
So there was a crosswalk, and this is in Canada, mind you.
I think it was Canada, right?
adam crigler
Yeah, it was.
tim pool
And the crosswalk was painted, because it's got two white lines, it was a rainbow in between.
There was a tread mark across it because a car turned.
It wasn't peeling out.
adam crigler
No, it wasn't.
It wasn't even going very fast.
tim pool
Sometimes you leave tire marks.
adam crigler
That's true.
tim pool
Maybe they were driving and he did a hard turn.
It was an accident.
I have no idea.
adam crigler
It actually happens naturally.
tim pool
Offensive!
They're actually looking for this person.
They're investigating and may have arrested them for driving a car on the road.
unidentified
Whoa.
tim pool
Yeah, man.
adam crigler
Well, like the couple that went out and painted over the B and the L.
Right.
tim pool
Hate crime.
adam crigler
I think they were trying to change it to All Lives Matter, maybe.
I don't know.
tim pool
I think they were just painting over it.
In Chicago, they painted over the B-L-C-K, so the A was still there, and then they drew two white Ls, so it said All Lives Matter.
adam crigler
And now in New York, they're writing Black Lives Matter in front of the Trump building.
So I saw this.
I've known that it was going on, but on Facebook, there's this meme that's going around.
They're like, yeah, take that, Trump.
And I'm like, do you know how much he's done for the minority community?
If you don't know, you haven't been paying attention, and it's embarrassing.
That's all I said to them.
tim pool
I would be willing to bet a very large sum of money that if we could develop a machine to read Trump's mind, he cares not at all.
adam crigler
About that?
About them painting in front of the... Yeah, no, he doesn't.
tim pool
He tweeted about it, saying it was a hate message, but I think the full context of the tweet was that you've got crime skyrocketing in New York and this is what they do.
adam crigler
Right, this is where they're putting their money, basically.
People are getting killed every day.
tim pool
They roll with it like they said, uh, everyone started posting like, ah, Trump's all angry.
Haha.
We got them.
And Trump's probably like, Hey, they think I'm mad about this.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
He loves keeping them.
So, so Trump recently tweeted something like less than one, one, he said one, one hundredth of something that made no sense.
And everybody started making fun of him for it.
He tweeted another typo and I'm like.
He's doing it on purpose.
It's not even if he does it on purpose.
It's that whenever he puts a typo... Actually, let me put it this way.
Sometimes in my YouTube videos, there will be a typo that I'll miss.
I don't do it on purpose.
But sometimes, you know, a few hours later, I'll see it and I'll laugh and leave it.
You know why?
adam crigler
Why?
tim pool
Because when people see the typo in the headline, they go into the video to make sure they can comment and say, I saw the typo.
adam crigler
That's true.
tim pool
So I don't do it on purpose.
But Trump probably tweets out and then an hour later sees his phone blowing up and then he sees the typo and he laughs and leaves it because it's distracting everybody.
adam crigler
That's true.
tim pool
Although I will say, in Trump's case, I think he does it sometimes on purpose.
adam crigler
Yeah, I think so too.
tim pool
The famous story was that he tweeted about the squad going back to their home countries and at the same time he was ending like refugee and asylum rules that were like pretty, like it was a bold move.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
And the news cycle did not care.
Emotions.
No, no, no.
And not just emotions.
It's ignorant people with platforms.
Omar were like, how dare Trump?
He is such a bigot.
Meanwhile, I saw some journalists going like, uh, isn't this story like this one
way bigger, Trump just signed this order.
Nobody cared.
adam crigler
Emotions.
unidentified
Yeah.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
This is this.
adam crigler
No, no.
And not just emotions.
It's ignorant people with platforms.
tim pool
So this is what worries me, man.
What section two 30 reform.
adam crigler
Absolutely.
tim pool
That will change everything.
adam crigler
It needs to happen.
The more we talk about it, the more I look into it.
Free speech online needs to be protected.
People need to grow a backbone and not care.
Worry about yourself.
People need to worry about themselves way more than what other people are doing.
Where did that go?
tim pool
So here's the challenge.
I do think it's fair to say this will be the most important elections of our lives.
adam crigler
Yep.
tim pool
Right now.
adam crigler
Absolutely.
tim pool
Not because I think this cause is more important than, say, the Iraq War or, you know, universal health care.
That was Obama's, you know, one of his big things.
Because it will fundamentally change the fabric of our country and the world if we do not reform Section 230 to protect legal speech.
adam crigler
Yep.
tim pool
Right now, the biggest platforms and their partners in media control all cultural institutions, which means politics cannot exist unless the cultural gatekeepers allow it to.
If you want to say something like this, I believe we should have a flat tax.
Well, guess what?
They could ban you for saying it and you can't do anything about it.
And then you have quite literally no politicians advocating for a flat tax.
So who is going to run on that position?
Nobody.
adam crigler
Right.
tim pool
No one will care.
That idea will be gone.
Here's the bigger problem.
This may be the most important election of our lives.
And even if the Republicans win, there is no guarantee they actually do it.
They would have to sweep the Congress and the presidency, gain control.
Would they even do it?
They had control in 2016.
They didn't do it.
Now, I think it's fair to say you had what people call RINOs, Republican In Name Only.
adam crigler
Right.
tim pool
You had a lot of people who retired, who had no interest.
They were establishment players in the Republican Party, did not want to, you know, do anything.
adam crigler
Probably got paid to not do anything.
tim pool
Yeah, they were just keys to the castle politicians.
adam crigler
Yep.
But even now... Most of them are right now.
tim pool
What's, you know, is it because we're deadlocked between the House and the Senate that we're not getting anything done?
I honestly don't know.
So, you gotta cross your fingers that come November, not only will you win, let's say the silent majority does exist and they're going to go out in November in massive numbers and prove it, but you also are hoping that the Republicans who get elected will actually do this.
adam crigler
I think it's a great idea.
tim pool
Well, look, it's not my idea.
The DOJ put out the guidelines.
adam crigler
No, I've seen it.
tim pool
It's Bill Barr.
adam crigler
Yeah, I looked into it after that, when we first talked about it the other day.
tim pool
Now, I'm not sure he goes far enough, because he still says that they should have a good faith effort to remove certain content.
That means they can still start banning certain people, but it would give you more legal protections, I suppose.
And the other issue is that we've already seen them violate Section 230.
Twitter does it all the time.
adam crigler
That's true.
tim pool
Nothing happens.
So look, there's a lot of steps here.
First, the Republicans would have to win.
They'd have to put in Section 230 reform.
Then someone would need a case.
Something would happen where they would sue and challenge their protections.
Then precedent would be set and Twitter would take action.
So Learn to Code is the best example.
Under 230, they're allowed to remove some content, not all.
It's got to be objectionable or like harassing or whatever.
And people were tweeting things like Learn to Code, or a good example would be like James Lindsay.
James Lindsay is one of the foremost experts on critical race theory and wokeness.
And he just went on Rogan, gained a ton of followers, they suspended his account.
They can still do those things even with 230 reform.
adam crigler
Sorry I gotta ask, did you see the first thing he posted when he got back?
tim pool
No, what was it?
Was it spicy?
unidentified
Yeah.
adam crigler
It was spicy.
Talking about people... How do I say this without saying it?
unidentified
Why?
tim pool
Because it's bad?
You'll get banned?
adam crigler
I don't want to say it.
I don't really want to.
It's very spicy.
It's a very specific subject.
I don't want to talk about it, but go look at it.
You know, read his words.
tim pool
Conceptual James, I'm sure.
adam crigler
Because it makes a lot of sense, what he's saying.
Yeah.
And it's scary, actually, also.
tim pool
So here's the challenge.
With Section 230 reform, they probably would not be able to ban him by mistake in that way.
adam crigler
It is the war on ignorance.
Yeah.
And also child ignorance.
unidentified
Yeah.
adam crigler
That's all I can say.
tim pool
If we specifically state in the Reform 230 That a good faith effort to remove illegal content, there will still be some mistakes, but that wouldn't be one of them.
Because there's no reason to believe, and there's no good faith belief, that he posted anything illegal.
adam crigler
Right.
tim pool
In which case, these accidents would be few and far between.
adam crigler
No, I could see some people would find it offensive, but that's just the thing.
Some people can be offended.
That's their right.
You can be offended.
Anyone can be offended, but that doesn't mean you're right.
Thanks, Tom McDonald.
tim pool
We need more than this, though, because right now another problem is that we have follow-up accounts overtly breaking the law with their posts.
adam crigler
That's right.
tim pool
I'm gonna, you know, I gotta say it.
There is one potential solution.
adam crigler
What's that?
tim pool
The end of anonymity on the internet.
That's it.
adam crigler
So kind of like, people are upset that Parler, you have to put in a number and it's like, I kind of, I'm down with that because you can't, you're going to go get like five different numbers so that you can, cause you have to actually.
tim pool
They're trying to prevent bots from manipulating.
adam crigler
Yeah, that's awesome.
I have one person that's me.
I don't need another voice.
I'm using my own voice.
I'm happy with that.
I'm not trying to influence and make fake accounts to bot it up.
People do that.
Parlor is pretty legit.
tim pool
So this would have to come after reform, after 230 reform.
I'm not saying it's a good idea because there are serious pros and cons.
adam crigler
Right.
tim pool
There are whistleblowers who can't speak up that use anonymity to protect themselves and call out, you know, malfeasance.
adam crigler
Good point.
tim pool
On the other hand, there are people who run 50 accounts to manipulate brands into banning people to push ideology.
adam crigler
Cancel culture.
tim pool
Exactly.
So a big solution to a lot of these problems is an end to anonymity on social media. Facebook basically did
it. Facebook said you have to use your real name from now on. Oh really? Yeah. That was a
while ago, several years ago. Okay.
There was a big controversy because some people use pseudonyms and some people are activists
who face persecution in their home countries and they fled and they're like, if I use my real name.
So, and some people on Facebook don't use real photos of themselves.
But the idea is, if everyone has to stand up for what they're saying, then people would be a lot less inclined to be awful and nasty people.
adam crigler
And it wasn't illegal to just speak your mind.
tim pool
Right.
adam crigler
Which is what the reform would do.
tim pool
Well, you wouldn't get banned for it.
adam crigler
Okay, okay, right.
Some things would still be illegal to do, like death threats and whatnot.
tim pool
If it's illegal, it's illegal.
adam crigler
Right, right, right.
tim pool
So here's the pendulum, sort of like the problems and the waves they cause.
If we reform 230, we solve one problem.
People can now speak up and we can rebalance the political conversation.
I'm not saying it would favor the extremes.
It would not.
It would favor the center and reinvigorate the center to come back for a debate.
It would force the left back to the center because the bigger conversation would be happening among more people.
However, this could result in a massive flood of Annoying, really annoying, racist, tirades, brigading, sock puppetry, which can result in the platform becoming just a cesspool of chaos.
This is one of the things that Twitter was concerned about.
That the reason they decided to just take sides and ban one is that if they really did mass free speech, you end up with bots just spamming everybody all the time.
And so they had to figure out how to deal with that.
So if you have Section 230, reformed, protecting all legal speech, and you create a platform where you can't be anonymous, problem solved.
There's still some problems you can argue, but then individuals can't run multiple accounts, and they have to stand behind every word they say.
So will you get angry racist tirades that are really annoying?
Yes you will, but a lot of people do this to be contrarian.
adam crigler
That's true.
tim pool
They do it because it's funny, it's fun, they want to troll.
You will get rid of a lot of the trolls.
adam crigler
I think online trolls is like what started the Karen movement because people were thinking that they were it was real and then they ran with it and then people started The trolls were like, oh, it's working.
All right.
Now I'm going to get more people.
And then more people were getting offended.
And then it snowballed into this, you know, speaking of the snowplow parents, the kids grew up and were offended and the trolls were eating them alive.
And now we're now where look where we're at, you know.
tim pool
I've seen these feminists retweet trolls on purpose.
And it's because they like it.
It's a game to a lot of these people.
I've seen some high-profile feminists go, I can't believe all the harassment I'm getting.
unidentified
Look!
tim pool
And they start retweeting them.
There's one person I know, and I said, don't you know that retweeting them is their goal?
And then the response was, do you expect me to be silenced?
I will not be silenced by them.
And I'm like, oh, shut up.
You know what you're doing.
You're feeding the trolls on purpose because it gets positive attention for you can play the victim and welcome to, you know, 2020.
We are, you know, 36 years off, but I guess we finally made it here.
The streets being renamed, you know, records being falsified.
adam crigler
I was born in 84.
tim pool
What does it mean?
unidentified
1984.
adam crigler
What does it mean?
The year I was born.
tim pool
Welcome to the resistance, brother!
To all of you watching right now, it may be there is a silent majority.
They may be lying in wait, ready to pounce onto that voting voter booth.
adam crigler
They want to do it legally.
They're law-abiding citizens.
tim pool
Yes, but for now we can't make that assumption.
unidentified
We don't know how many people... I'm making the assumption.
tim pool
But all we can really do for now is determine one thing.
If there ever was an actual resistance, this is it.
Not them.
Not them complaining about the orange man.
Which brings me to the next funny bit.
unidentified
Oh.
tim pool
I have a question for all of you.
What happens to the punk bands when they find themselves in complete alignment with the billion dollar multinational corporations?
adam crigler
Are you actually asking me?
tim pool
I'm asking you, I'm asking everybody.
adam crigler
Oh, I thought you were... I thought it was rhetorical.
unidentified
Rhetorical?
tim pool
No, no, no, literally, what happens?
adam crigler
I don't know.
tim pool
I mean, I know the funny answers that people have given, so... Well, band names, I'll just give it to you, I think the winner, the winner of the funny band names is Rage on Behalf of the Machine, and this is from Based in PA.
Comedy Gold says, uh, Free Sheeple, well done.
I agree.
Listen, take Rage Against The Machine's lyrics.
Play them today, they are quite literally the machine.
They are just rage.
It is rage on behalf of the machine.
Think about it.
The riots for Black Lives Matter, the government supports it.
They're painting it in the streets.
Every major corporation is plastering the message everywhere.
So when you go out and rage on behalf, You are the machine!
adam crigler
Yep.
tim pool
You are a giant rage-filled hate machine.
adam crigler
Yep, that's true.
tim pool
So this is act- I actually thought of this because I saw, um, for those of you familiar with Paramore, Hayley Williams, who is like the frontwoman of the band, put up a poster That was called Say Their Names.
I could be getting it wrong because I just saw this passively.
I'm not going to pretend like Paramore is the epitome of real punk rock.
They were pop punk in the 2000s.
But it still made me think of this because there are other punk bands that are in line with the establishment.
We'll get to this.
But I saw that.
I looked up what had happened.
So she had posted this poster of, I guess it was a bunch of names of people who, like, you know, unarmed black people or people have been killed by police.
And she got attacked for it.
I say attacked, but she got a bunch of angry messages saying it's offensive and you're profiting off their names or whatever.
So she tweeted she was taking the poster down.
I thought to myself, You know, I'm, again, not trying to pretend that Paramore is like the epitome of punk rock.
Certainly not.
You know, it's like, you know, emo pop.
adam crigler
I would never equate them to punk rock, no.
tim pool
But it was supposed to be like youth, it was youthful exuberant rock, you know what I mean?
It was like teenage angst.
So it was, it was like, The point I'm making is, I saw that and I thought about it.
Like, if you're supposed to be a rebel challenging the system, but here you are saying, so sorry everybody, you know, I understand this is a big mainstream, high-profile cause that everyone loves and supports and the government supports it.
So a better example would be Bad Religion, which we talked about before.
Writing their attempt at an anti-alt-right song, which is actually, I guess, inadvertently pro-alt-right.
But regardless of whether or not you have all these modern iterations of, you know, of punk bands or anti-establishment music and art, what happens now to even the historic music?
Rage Against the Machine from the 90s.
Or 2000, you know, as was the 90s, I guess.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
Now it's quite literally like, congratulations, you've lived long enough to see yourself become the machine.
lydia smith
I actually had a question about this, even in high school, and you and I have talked about this a little bit, because in 2002, I think it was, Bad Religion came out with Kyoto Now, which was their song in favor of the Kyoto Protocol, which is great, I know, if you're an environmentalist, and you also apparently really like Big government?
And I couldn't figure out.
I was like, are you against the machine?
Or are you with the machine?
Because that looks a lot like the machine to me and I was a conservative even then.
I was like, if you were really going to be punk, maybe you want to be conservative because they actually don't like the government.
It never made sense to me.
So I don't know.
Maybe this is just the continuation of that.
tim pool
It's like they were advocating for a bigger machine.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
The machine isn't big enough.
The machine isn't big enough.
Let's write some punk songs and just totally lean into, you know, we are the machine.
Everything we say is pro-establishment.
Isn't that crazy?
adam crigler
Yeah, it doesn't make any sense.
tim pool
Wow, man.
And so this is something I don't know who coined this.
Was it Paul Joseph Watson?
Conservatism as a new counterculture?
adam crigler
Yeah, I saw that.
tim pool
It kind of is, but this is a different kind of conservatism.
The idea was that, like, I guess what he is saying is that if you go back in time, the idea of wearing a suit and going to church is, like, counterculture because the establishment is, like, super far left.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
But what we're doing is still anti-establishment, and we're not suit-wearing, stodgy religiousists.
adam crigler
What, this show right now?
tim pool
Oh, for sure.
Like, we are still skateboarding musicians, you're a vegan, like, this is what a lot of punk rock was back in the day.
At least in certain respects, not completely or entirely, you know what I mean?
You could overlap with it.
But skateboarding, you know?
Skateboarding, playing music, and challenging the establishment, and calling for freedom and liberty.
Maybe they subverted these cultures on purpose.
It's interesting, man.
Remember what I was saying about the conspiracy where Trump is a part of the deep state?
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
The idea was that Trump is really part of the global elite billionaires and he is playing this role of the outsider challenging the deep state so that it can bring people back into the machine.
But this is the second layer to that.
The overall conspiracy, and I'm not saying it's true at all, I'm just saying it's something people say.
Trump was friends with the Clintons, he was friends with Hillary, it's all an act.
He wants you to think that he's stealing the country back from the corporate evil.
And so what happened now is you get people like Alex Jones, who used to be very anti-establishment, straight up supporting Trump.
and you get punk rock bands that were straight up anti-establishment now completely in support
of the establishment political positions. Whatever has happened, it's completely made
everyone in favor of one form of the establishment.
One or the other.
So was that it?
It was like, now you've got people who used to be very anti-government libertarian being in support of the federal government, calling for them to take action, bring out law and order.
These were the more small-government, right-leaning people now saying, we need law and order, we need Trump to come in and enforce the law.
And then you get the punk rock bands, rage against the machine, now literally putting on rock concerts Sanctioned by the government where they paint their political messages in the street.
Yeah legally with protection from the police You actually have the cops.
This is the best part Seeing these videos of these young kids dancing with cops.
Yeah, there was one I can't remember what it was but it was like a street and the cop was doing some shuffle dance with everybody and they're all laughing and cheering and I'm like It's so weird to see young people not rebelling.
lydia smith
What happened there?
Why don't kids rebel anymore?
This is strange to me.
adam crigler
Ignorance is bliss.
lydia smith
You think they're just ignorant?
Oh yeah.
That's all it is?
Because I've always been ignorant, right?
adam crigler
I mean, everyone is ignorant until they, you know, like, on any subject they're not, like, privy to, and then you climb out of that ignorance when you research whatever subject it is.
So I'm ignorant of many political things, still.
You know, I'm slowly, you know, learning my place and understanding the whole realm of And, you know, you just see that there's more and more.
The problem is everyone thinks that they know everything.
So a lot of these people, these young people, think that they know everything.
They don't realize that they are ignorant.
They think that they've just... I mean, everyone, you know, think back when you're 20.
It's like, I know everything.
I'm finally out of the house.
Like, my parents were wrong.
I finally can, you know, it used to be rebelling.
Right.
But now it's more like... Conforming?
Well, because they have the internet and they all cluster together because they find each other easy, you know?
Or they're going to college and then they're finding each other there.
They're clumping together and then the ignorance festers and they don't climb out of the ignorance.
They stay in it.
They don't have to.
tim pool
It's not so much, in my opinion, about rebelling against parents, which is how we view it, but I think it's about asserting your individuality.
That's what's gone.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
When I was a kid, I was like, I do what I want.
You know, you can't tell me what to do.
Shut up.
I do what I want.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
And that was rebelling, asserting like, here is who I am.
And it was important, in my opinion, when it comes to cultural and literal evolution.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
Because it allows life to challenge and find better ways of solving problems.
If you have a bunch of people trying a bunch of different things, out of 100, 99 fail, but one person improves, then that improvement can trickle to the masses and then lift everybody up.
So that asserting your individuality was a net benefit to our society and our culture, and now it's gone.
Now you have these young kids totally in favor.
They're pro-establishment.
adam crigler
Yeah, the individuality is gone.
tim pool
Check out this.
This is really amazing, this picture.
Someone tweeted this.
It is a punk-looking young woman.
If you think you're goth, punk, or alternative, but you don't support the BLM movement, you're a poser.
Interesting.
She has an Anarchy A on her jean vest.
She's also wearing a shirt that says ACAB, which I'll give you the family-friendly version.
All cops are bad.
But the anarchy thing I find interesting because the government of New York just painted Black Lives Matter on the street.
So your movement is in favor of the establishment government and political party.
lydia smith
That's right.
Just not cops, apparently?
tim pool
Why are you wearing the anarchy symbol?
Oh no, they're defunding the police.
lydia smith
Right, yeah.
So ACAB.
But they like the government.
tim pool
Bill de Blasio, right.
So the anarchy makes no sense.
lydia smith
Right.
adam crigler
ACAB really, really pisses me off because it's just them going, all people are racist is basically what that means.
tim pool
That's also what they say too.
adam crigler
I know.
All people are racist.
And it's like, no, your ignorance is spilling out and splashing all over me.
I have to go shower.
I can't stand it.
I know people that are cops and they're awesome.
They're awesome people.
Okay.
tim pool
So this is what I see.
Every every layer of our cultural institutions which come well before politics are under the control of
Intersectionalists they have they they are establishment Conformists, you know, they have weird views. They're racists
Look, you know, I often we joke about like it's a meme when I say I'm mixed race and stuff
But but but I think people really really need to understand like I've had conversations with other people who are like
hoppa meaning like half Asian or whatever and quapa quarter Asian
and There are serious concerns about what a leftist identitarian
future means I was talking to Sargon, because he was reading White Fragility,
And what he basically said was, she basically pooh-poohs mixed-race people.
Like, they're not a part of this worldview.
adam crigler
That's very binary.
tim pool
Well, what it means is basically, I'll put it this way.
My general understanding of other countries is that if I were to live in Okay.
Right.
We're all Americans.
is from. I would have been a second class citizen. Not in America though. In America
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
we've bypassed, like we've succeeded, we've passed these laws, we have these rulings.
adam crigler
Right, we're all Americans. Period.
tim pool
So when I grew up, what I had to deal with at my family was people who were authoritarian
racists. So we had like someone throw a brick through our family vehicle window.
Our house was vandalized.
And I was a little kid.
And so it was like, I don't understand.
People are attacking us, I guess.
And it was very obvious when you look at our family that it was not your typical white American family.
So, when I was growing up, I was like, wow, man, look at this neighborhood.
We won.
Like, it's a Star Trek future, man.
I remember when I was a little kid watching Star Trek with my dad and I'm like, this is the future, man.
It's going to be people of all different types and creeds and colors just living together peacefully.
adam crigler
Yeah, that's what it felt like in my high school.
I went to high school out here, outside Philadelphia.
And there was all sorts of colors and Pretty much every single person I ever interacted in high school was cool.
You know, sure there were some bullies, but it's like, that's not a race issue.
That's an authoritarian, you know, it's bullies.
Bullies exist.
Trolls on the internet, it's like, they don't even know what the color of your skin is.
They're bullies.
That's what trolls do.
That's what they want.
My troll.
tim pool
My concern is like, we saw the whiteness training in Seattle, right?
You brought it up earlier.
In Seattle, they had all the white people do like an undoing whiteness thing.
adam crigler
Oh, it's crazy.
tim pool
They don't know how to deal with mixed race people.
And I was having a conversation with a friend of mine, and I told, I was telling her why I thought this was bad.
And I said, I want you to imagine for a second what it must feel like To not have the luxury of living in a community where everyone is the same race, right?
Because it's something she brought up to me.
She was like, minorities have to think about race all the time and white people don't, which is not true.
But there are communities that is true.
I said, OK, so now I want you to imagine something.
Imagine you're a minority, and you wake up one day to see that many people you know who are white are now calling for white collective action, and they're calling for the formation of white racial identity groups.
Do you think that would make them more or less comfortable?
adam crigler
Less.
tim pool
Definitely less.
I don't like the idea that my friends are now going like this. Okay, everyone. Listen up Tim you go over there
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
We're not talking to you. Here's what we're gonna do and I'm like, I don't care if you think you're the good guy or not
That is not fun. Yeah, it's not feel good at all, right?
And then you tell me what I was told was that I have to choose to identify as white then and I was like
That's that's complete BS right the future they're building Will do weird things to me and my family and it also has
very profound implications on what on who I choose to have a family with
adam crigler
Yep.
tim pool
Do I want to put someone through the ethnic ambiguity or racial ambiguity problem?
These people are awful.
adam crigler
Yeah, they are.
They're trying to inject racism back into society.
They won't let it go away.
They don't want to.
Because it's one of their control pieces.
tim pool
I went to Seoul, South Korea.
And I met some... I have some friends who are 100% Korean, born in America, who have been there.
And I met some people who are 100% Korean, born in Korea.
And boy, was it an interesting conversation.
As young people, they were very nice to me.
But they explained to me that in Southeast Asia, I would not be, for the most part, acceptable.
I'd probably get by just fine, but I would come across many roadblocks based on racism that I would never experience in America.
And you look at, somebody brought this up in the chat, I think the other day, that in Japan, you can't even open a bank account unless you are from Japan and you are Japanese.
Because a lot, it's like, dude, America's laws are rare.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
So many countries have overt racial identity in their laws for their countries.
adam crigler
I know.
This is what I was saying the other day about how can they deny that America is not on the forefront of showing what it's like to be free, to be civil, to show what equality is.
They're actually trying to disassemble that And we have that.
We put it in place in the 60s.
Martin Luther King got killed for it.
And man, I listened to a man named Shelby Steele.
Incredible man.
You could check him out on the Hoover Institute.
They have a lot of amazing interviews on YouTube.
And he was talking about it.
He was like, I would not take reparations because I've earned my keep here.
I worked hard to get to where I am.
I saw, I was alive during, in the 60s when we were actually fighting for civil rights.
We had a message.
We knew exactly what we needed to do.
And now these people, everyone's confused.
People are confused because they don't actually know what is the plan.
You know, they don't have a clear message.
It just, you ask anyone, you can just move along the list of different people and ask them, what do you think the plan is?
You know, originally it was police reform, right?
Well, we tried police reform.
There was a legitimate bill on the table.
Now people are saying, well, that wasn't enough.
And it's like, you didn't read the bill, did you?
I still haven't heard back from those ragers on Facebook that I was like, here's the bill.
Read it.
Talk to me.
Zero.
Zip.
Nothing.
They don't care.
They don't want that.
It's not about police reform.
What is it about?
No one even knows.
tim pool
And I'll tell you this, it's not about accommodating marginalized people either.
adam crigler
That is a lie.
tim pool
Absolutely.
adam crigler
Absolutely correct.
tim pool
So this was the culmination of the conversation I had with my friend.
When they were basically saying, you know, white people have the luxury of never experiencing race.
And then when I said, imagine waking up where you come from a mixed-race family, you've dealt with issues of racism, and you see all of these white people now forming a white racial identity group.
adam crigler
Right.
tim pool
Like, I don't, people aren't sitting there going like, hey, that's a good thing.
I remember that.
That was great.
You know, they're going like, uh, I thought we were... So I asked her, you know, I basically said, When you propose segregation based on race, you have to understand that it was you, your ideology, and progressives in 1967 that got a ruling which created mixed-race relationships in this country.
Loving v. Virginia, 1967.
made it so that it was legally protected, they could not discriminate, people of different races could have mixed-race children.
You have now created, I believe, two or three generations now of mixed-race families, and with your identitarianism and segregation, you are basically telling them, F you, and you want to go back in time?
You're basically just chopping off a group of people that your side fought for, right?
The progressives?
There's no answer.
I mean, that's probably the better argument.
So the argument was specifically about California repealing civil rights law.
The California Assembly and the Senate repealed this.
I know most of you probably know the context by now.
For those who don't, it's literally just, it says the state shall not discriminate based on these things.
So when I hear them say, that was a mistake, we need to undo that, I say, so what does that mean for me?
If you never had these policies, perhaps I wouldn't even be here today.
Maybe that would make you happy.
Of course it wouldn't make you happy, right?
Okay, well then now you gotta deal with me.
adam crigler
Right.
tim pool
I'm not just going to go quietly into the night.
I'm going to stand up and tell you to go F off.
We have equality in this country.
We have civil rights law, and they're seeking to undo it.
And unfortunately, there's a lot of them.
adam crigler
When I heard that California was doing that, I expected some sort of hiccup in the Black Lives Matter movement to be like a screeching halt on the brakes.
What are you trying to do, California?
Excuse me, what?
And they're like, no, affirmative action.
And it's like, okay, that was the title of the bill.
tim pool
Right.
What was the language of the bill?
adam crigler
Did you read the bill?
Do you know what you're voting?
They have to vote.
If you live in California.
tim pool
They know.
adam crigler
You do some research, please.
tim pool
It's going to pass.
adam crigler
It's crazy, man.
tim pool
Because what's going to happen is, so it's passed the Assembly and the Senate.
It's going to go for a referendum in November.
And it's going to say, support Affirmative Action Amendment.
And they are all going to say, yes.
And then, guess what happens the next day?
State institutions across the board will put up signs saying this race, that race, this race.
adam crigler
Yep.
Segregation.
tim pool
Yep.
adam crigler
California will be... It's funny.
For a long time, they were on the forefront.
They were the leaders of all this, you know.
Still leading.
tim pool
Still leading.
adam crigler
Not in the direction I want to go though.
Right, right, right.
You know, they're leading themselves backwards.
That's what they're doing now.
You know, they jumped into the air and slipped and now they're falling back.
Where everyone's like, we just decided, we're just walking steadily forward.
What do you do in California?
Because I don't, I don't understand.
tim pool
I'm curious as to, like, what happens to, say, The Rock or Jessica Alba or, you know, people like that.
Vin Diesel.
These are people that are ethnically ambiguous.
When you have this idea of white privilege, one of the things I encounter is, and this is a story that my family has many experiences, When you get into arguments with with different groups who view you as either white or not white and they can't tell yeah So like during Occupy Wall Street, it was non-stop all the time because they try so hard to make everything about race Yep, they're like looking at me like They mostly called me Puerto Rican
For real.
adam crigler
Puerto Rican?
tim pool
Yup.
I had one guy come up to me and he said it was like, it's great to see, you know, a Puerto Rican brother down here doing it.
And I'm like, I'm, I'm, that's not, I'm not, no.
But Mexican is what I get the most.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
And it really depends on like, if it, you know, it was summer.
And so I had, I had more of a tan or not.
I was tanned and I had, I have black facial hair.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
So people just immediately would come up to me.
When I was in Anaheim covering the Trump rallies, the, it was like Telemundo walked up to me and started speaking Spanish.
And I was like, Oh no, no, I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
And that's what I tend to get.
When I was in Egypt, I thought I was Egyptian.
So perhaps it's a benefit that in some places nobody can tell.
But if they're trying to quantify and segregate everybody, then it just becomes a problem
for me.
And I'm like, nah man, look, I may be one person.
I may be part of a very small minority.
And the problem with that is each mixed race in the United States is the smallest minority,
but each person is a different mix.
It's like some people could be Afro-Cuban, you could be Jewish and black, you could be Asian and black, so there's no community.
adam crigler
I've never had more conversations about race than these past few months.
We gotta stop talking about it.
Why are we talking about it?
tim pool
Because the Libertarian Party... They won't let it... No, no, no.
adam crigler
It wasn't just because of the Libertarian Party.
Obviously, the temperature of America right now is charged because of racism, and it's like...
I just, it blows me away.
I don't look at people, I look at the character of a person.
If you treat me nice, I want to be nice to you.
I want to be nice to everybody.
I want everyone to get along.
I'll give you the people don't people see one person who's being rude and equate their skin color to that rudeness instead of the the like this is kind of what um this uh shelby steel was talking about it bringing back individual accountability and that's huge we need to be accountable for our own actions And that's not what people are doing.
They're going, Oh, you were, you know, I'm going to stereotype you across the board and fill my checkbook of what skin color are you?
Okay, cool.
This is the type of person, all of the skin color people that I know that are like you, that's who all of them are.
It's like, anyone can be awesome.
Anyone can be.
And, and you know what?
tim pool
They could be mean the next day, you know, should we go for the big conspiracy?
adam crigler
Yeah.
Oh, what is that?
tim pool
China.
adam crigler
China.
tim pool
Realizing that Trump is going to dismantle their efforts to, you know, seize our production and things like that.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
Has gone all out and are exploiting racial tensions as a key weakness.
adam crigler
Yeah, I see it.
tim pool
In a multicultural democratic system.
adam crigler
This is one thing about this.
There's a video of me going viral.
It's still going viral.
It's still being passed around.
Liberal, you know, says he's gonna vote for Trump.
In that video, I talk about how Democrats are in bed with China.
And you were like, yeah, they made their bet.
Trump was not supposed to win.
Hillary was supposed to win.
They probably lost all this money.
So that conversation you and I had was in that video.
And at the end of the video, I'm like, I'm voting Trump.
Like, I'm saying I don't mind.
But it got deleted.
tim pool
Facebook deleted.
adam crigler
So fast.
tim pool
And several times.
adam crigler
It is being pushed down.
They don't want people to think that at all.
tim pool
It was probably the China bit, not the Trump bit.
adam crigler
That's what I'm alluding to right now.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
adam crigler
It has nothing to do with Trump.
It has everything to do with the fact that China doesn't want anyone thinking about us.
Do you see what's going on with the TikTok stuff?
tim pool
Yeah, dude.
adam crigler
Okay, so for those who don't know, TikTok steals your information.
Simply put, they steal your information.
They find it's more than just what's on your clipboard.
That was BS.
You accept TikTok, they have access.
And that's a Chinese company.
And we're trying to ban it.
Amazon just banned all of their employees that have access to the Amazon server.
tim pool
Wait, wait.
adam crigler
Go ahead.
tim pool
Apparently, a story came out saying that was a mistake.
adam crigler
Oh, what?
That they didn't say it?
tim pool
They weren't supposed to ban it.
adam crigler
They weren't supposed to do it?
Well, they did.
tim pool
I wonder if they did and then something happened and they were like, we're sorry, China.
Yeah, because... China said we're gonna ban Amazon.
adam crigler
Yeah, because China makes who knows how many of the products that Amazon slangs at everybody.
tim pool
Did you see the Josh Hawley thing?
adam crigler
What, no, what was this?
tim pool
When he asked the NBA to make like a, he said, if you're going to do, you know, political jerseys, why don't you do a back the blue, you know, support the troops or free Hong Kong.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
And the guy responded with FU.
Wow.
adam crigler
All right.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
It was FU, right?
adam crigler
Yep.
tim pool
And then he tweeted out and he was like, don't criticize China.
adam crigler
Yeah, now we're seeing these TikTok things popping up where everyone's like, we love China.
China is amazing.
Yes, praise China.
tim pool
Like as a joke?
adam crigler
Yeah, well, I don't know.
To be honest, I'm not sure.
I have no idea.
This world is crazy right now.
The world we're living in.
tim pool
There's a journalist who covers this kind of youth internet culture stuff.
Her name is Taylor Lorenz.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
And she's been subjected to a big controversy.
adam crigler
For the record, everybody, Lydia just did some air quotes.
lydia smith
Oh, that's because she... Well, Tim's gonna talk about it because she covers the topic that I think is not very valuable.
But I'll let Tim explain it.
adam crigler
Whoa, whoa, you... Well, listen, listen, listen.
He said journalist and you were like... It's because... Just saying.
No, no, please, Tim, go ahead.
tim pool
I happen to like Taylor Lorenz.
I think she's alright.
And I know a lot of people are mad at her, and I think her beat is reality.
And I mean this with all respect, it's like a reality TV MTV.
It's like, dude, we used to put 16 year old kids on MTV and film them doing every bit.
You know, Ryan Sheckler had his show when he was a kid.
So I think there's certain things to criticize her over.
For sure.
adam crigler
So I don't even know.
Go ahead.
tim pool
She's a journalist for the New York Times.
And one of the things that sparked a controversy was that she was communicating with Kellyanne Conway's daughter.
adam crigler
OK.
tim pool
And it was like a family drama.
And a lot of people were like, kid, you know, political actors, children are off limits.
And her argument was Kellyanne Conway's daughter was already putting this stuff out.
adam crigler
Right.
tim pool
I'm not a fan of that.
You know, I agree.
Like, there's probably a line you shouldn't be messaging the kids.
But as it pertains to TikTok, She's been covering this.
And so the next bit of controversy is her perspective on this story about TikTok is these kids are all really freaking out.
They're going to lose their careers, their followings.
And what does that mean for them?
adam crigler
It's their connection to dopamine, actually.
tim pool
Exactly.
That's what I tweeted.
I said, China got our children addicted to digital crack and now we got to cut them off.
adam crigler
Nailed it, dude.
That's exactly what I would have said.
tim pool
But Twitter is the same thing.
Twitter and Instagram and Facebook is just... And the US is like, yo, we're the dealers, man.
We're not gonna let you, you know, interfere on what we got going on.
Because we control everything.
WhatsApp?
WhatsApp is huge around the world.
America?
adam crigler
Well, everybody wants to be cherished.
Everybody wants to feel valuable.
It's in our nature.
We're humans.
We come together, you know, as a community.
That's how we've gotten this far.
That's how we've taken over the planet.
So now, you know, we're deconstructing the family home.
So where are people getting that connection?
it's you know you're taught like oh it's it's so bad to live at your parents home you don't live on your own anymore and it's like yeah there's nothing wrong with that i don't care i mean i i live on my own i've lived on my own since i was 17 and you know it's like i don't see anything wrong with it because it's community now they're finding it online Now online, when you take that away from them, now, I mean, that is their community.
That's where they get that feeling, you know, that they're not getting in real life.
And we gotta bring that back.
That is very important.
tim pool
I'm gonna be very careful in how I describe this, but let me just tell you how easy it is for some of these companies to trick kids into getting on their platform.
You create a social media app, you buy a handful of Facebook ads and Instagram ads, promoting the app, showing young people dancing and having a good time.
When a young person signs up, you then give them fake followers slowly over time so they get the dopamine trigger.
Wow, when I do a post, I get a bunch of likes.
This works.
Once they do, they start bragging about how many followers they have and their friends want to get involved.
So you plant the seeds using bots to trick them.
So here's what happens with Twitter and Instagram and Facebook.
They've actually talked about getting rid of Instagram likes because it's giving people a dopamine rush.
You post a photo, 10,000 likes, and you're like, yes!
The next day you want 11,000, you want more points, more points!
So they're like, maybe we'll get rid of it.
Twitter talked about getting rid of follower count, retweet count, like count.
Instagram has.
The reason they haven't is because that's the only reason they exist.
Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, they would not exist if there was no metrics on them.
adam crigler
That's true.
tim pool
Because you'd post.
adam crigler
I agree.
tim pool
And the only thing you'd see are replies.
And you might get some replies.
It might be fine.
So you might be willing to engage.
People are all about the follower count, the subscription count, how many views did I get this time?
So what happens is some apps, I'm being vague on purpose to avoid lawsuits, artificially exploit this.
It's just that simple.
You get a 17-year-old kid and he thinks he's talking to his fans and it's one guy in China pressing buttons going like, you know, there he goes, now he believes, you know, there's 50 more likes, he thinks it's working.
Just go ahead finish your they're addicted and when you go to take it away they go, but I have so many followers Here's the funny thing about the Taylor Lorenz story is why I brought it up Some people were saying I have got all of my followers on tik-tok.
It doesn't translate You know, I've got X followers on tik-tok, but barely any actually follow me on Twitter instagram So the reason I brought this up, we were talking about the deep web China conspiracy, right?
adam crigler
So now I'm seeing these weird TikTok videos of like how awesome China is and who has TikTok accounts?
Kids!
Young kids!
Who's the most susceptible to being converted to Whatever ideology you you shove down their throat when they have your attention when they're getting their dopamine from From them instead of their parents, you know It used to be like your parents would be like we're proud of you and it'd be like wow
I mean someone.
That's all I need.
I don't need the internet.
I don't need TV.
I don't need anything to know that I'm important.
Period.
Done.
Because my parents showed me that.
And it's like, that's gone.
And that is so essential.
Now they're getting it from China?
From fake bots?
I mean, sure, it's a conspiracy.
But everything I just said still remains true.
tim pool
This is what I think the Trump side is missing.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
tim pool
But those are people that are not being paid.
They're doing it because they love it.
with the meme smiths and the jokes. But these are above board, on the level engagements.
adam crigler
And but those are people that are not being paid. They're doing it because they love it.
tim pool
Right. So when it comes to say Carpe Donctum, who is the master meme smith of choice for the
president, and No.
And he puts these, I love that the lights went out at the debate, remember that one?
unidentified
Right.
adam crigler
No.
tim pool
And then all of a sudden smoke fills the room and then Trump walks out of the smoke
and it's playing Crazy Train or something.
It's just so good.
But it is meant to be fun, funny, and a joke.
Right.
It doesn't tell you anything about the president's positions.
It's meant to make you have a good time.
That helps Trump.
But what the left has is, first of all, all these big tech companies will ban conservative opinions,
Like, Reddit right now is the most insane echo chamber of establishment leftism.
Yeah.
But if Trump tried to buy an ad, banned.
They, you know, Facebook has, you know, flagged, or Twitter has flagged Trump.
So if Trump even wanted to create, you know, a propaganda wing, they wouldn't let him do it.
The establishment is completely opposed to him.
And so what Trump has is, for one, he has his base.
It's not particularly, it's relatively large.
I think they say it's like 35% of the country.
Then he has the center-right, Trump is better than the alternative.
So the Trump base, these are the people who will vote for Trump no matter what he does.
Then you have the more moderate conservatives who are like, I wish Trump could be better, but he's certainly better than Biden.
And then you have a bit of the moderates who are like, I guess I have to vote Trump and the Republicans because of what's happening.
What he doesn't get is He can't grow the zealous fanaticism because the machine is against him.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
So, and they're using that, that propagandistic machine to create the anti-Trump vote.
Which is really interesting now.
Joe Biden doesn't do anything, you know why?
Because nobody's voting for him.
adam crigler
Yeah, people are voting against Trump.
tim pool
Exactly.
adam crigler
Not for Biden.
tim pool
So Facebook announced they're gonna ban, they may ban political ads.
Which, I mean... That is a move against Trump, period, you know why?
adam crigler
Yeah, well, Project Veritas did that whole expose about how they Ban any Trump supporter, period.
No matter what.
They're like, oh, I see a Trump supporter.
Ban.
tim pool
Well, so think about it this way.
If Joe, if people are voting for or against Trump, and they ban political ads, I think that would only hurt Trump.
adam crigler
No, I think the opposite.
Because Trump ads are already being pushed down and, you know, Gotten rid of, like we saw the Project Veritas.
tim pool
But at least they reach some people.
adam crigler
Okay, well then all the Biden ads wouldn't reach anyone?
tim pool
There are none.
adam crigler
Oh, there's none.
tim pool
I mean, there are Biden ads, but no one is voting for Biden.
adam crigler
Right, okay.
tim pool
So if Trump needs to counter the propaganda with his message, and they say we're banning all ads, and then the media continues to spam anti-Trump propaganda, people are going to vote for or against Trump.
That's it.
That's what the polls say.
That's why they don't care about Biden.
He is a nothing candidate because it's either for or against Trump.
adam crigler
Yeah, that's true.
tim pool
So if Trump can't post ads, they don't need Biden to post ads.
They just need the media to do its thing.
And there you go.
Everything will be Trump bad.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
That's the move.
And that's, I think, Twitter banned political ads, right?
Is it?
They did?
lydia smith
I believe so.
There you go.
tim pool
Just to hurt Trump because nobody cares about Joe Biden.
adam crigler
But they care about and don't like Hillary.
So when they make that switch, that's going to be... When they do.
tim pool
Okay, so listen.
I think it's hilarious it's come to this point, but if the Republicans don't take everything, and that's a big ask, and 230 reform doesn't happen, welcome to the resistance.
You will be, as far as anyone's concerned, in the gross minority in terms of culture.
Your ideas will be oppressed, shut down, and you'll be told to sit down and shut up because the machine is against you.
This is your last hope.
If the Democrats get in, even one, one branch, House, Senate, or presidency, 230 reform can happen.
adam crigler
That's true.
tim pool
And it's, and like I said, it's not just 230 reform.
They've got to go one step beyond and actually like file suits and defend it and challenge it.
And that will only work.
Not only that, I mean, let's be real.
The Supreme Court just gave half the jurisdiction of Oklahoma back to the Native Americans, which I'm sure, you know, a lot of people are happy with, but is very detrimental precedent to the rest of the United States.
adam crigler
A lot of people are hitting me up about that, and I haven't looked fully into it, but from what I'm hearing from many different people, it's all about just the specifics of... Land ownership doesn't change.
It's just the specifics of Native Americans that live in that area that have been arrested for crimes.
tim pool
So it's a narrow ruling, meaning they've asserted several positions and then said, This is about federal crimes committed on this land.
The state will not have jurisdiction over Native Americans.
But within their opinion, they said this is a reservation.
Which means precedent has been set to open the door for a wave of more lawsuits.
So that's why I say you're going to get two narratives on this one.
There's a lot of people who are like, no, no, no, no, don't worry about it.
But the problem with that is I don't trust it because there are quite literally people in Seattle, for instance, in the government saying they want to tear down the system.
Ilhan Omar saying tear down the system.
adam crigler
It's crazy.
tim pool
So when the Supreme Court does this, I say, I'm not going to err on the side of it's no big deal.
I'm going to err on the side of, whoa, we should have, you know, Oklahoma needs to have jurisdiction over their state, man.
adam crigler
I agree.
tim pool
So how about we jump to the Super Chats a little later than normal?
lydia smith
Yes, let's do it.
adam crigler
Let's do it.
tim pool
We got BB who said, and I pulled this up on purpose, we are more aware than you think.
That's good news, I hope so.
Spin it!
unidentified
Oh yeah!
adam crigler
I got you, BB.
tim pool
I got you.
Likefrylikefry says, the story about the army almost makes me ashamed to be former army.
Got a shirt that says spin the UFO and those little dizzy?
Did you guys get the DVD Second Civil War I sent from Amazon?
Hope you enjoy it and hope you all enjoyed your freedom day.
Did we?
lydia smith
I have not seen that yet.
tim pool
I don't think so.
Maybe we did.
adam crigler
I did enjoy my freedom day.
tim pool
Oh, I think we maybe did.
I think we have it actually right there.
lydia smith
Oh, we do have a pile of it.
adam crigler
I pissed a lot of people off on Facebook that day.
tim pool
Oh, worth it.
lydia smith
Freedom.
adam crigler
And it was absolutely worth it.
I don't know.
tim pool
Yep.
George, thank you for the $69.69 says, I think Native Americans were of Asian descent and
the Spanish are white, so it would make sense that Tim looks Mexican.
Also, I low-key want the revolution to succeed.
Revolutionary heads roll first.
Oh man.
lydia smith
Spicy.
tim pool
The Kulaks have no idea what they're fighting for.
That is correct, good sir.
I believe that the Asians crossed the Bering Strait at some point, and there's a lot of really interesting theories about cultural development based on proximity and space, but yes, that's my general understanding.
I could be wrong, but, you know, interesting stuff nonetheless.
adam crigler
But the comparison to the Kulaks is actually pretty on point.
tim pool
I tell my activist friends, who started the revolution?
You did.
adam crigler
Yep.
tim pool
So who is the threat to the new power structure?
You are!
adam crigler
Ding ding ding ding.
tim pool
They don't get it.
That's what happens every time.
The intelligentsia.
They're the elite wealthy class who think that by siding with the revolutionaries, they will be spared.
But when the revolution happens, they laugh and say, you are a wealthy white person.
You're first against the wall.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
Halftome says, Liberal comes from Latin, liberalis, which means pertaining to a free man.
In politics, to be liberal is to want to extend democracy through change and reform.
One can see why that word had to be erased from our political lexicon.
adam crigler
Good point.
tim pool
And it has been, man.
Right now.
I mean, look.
Leftists don't call themselves liberal.
They hate liberals.
Conservatives call all leftists liberals.
Not every single one of them.
But that's why I'm often like, nope, don't you do it.
Don't use that word liberal, but the media does it all the time.
adam crigler
Is that I.B.
Rippon over there?
tim pool
That was back, yes.
I.B.
Rippon says, admit you love me, Tim.
Adam already admitted.
I will not be told what to do.
I will not be told.
adam crigler
Oh, well, I wasn't told.
I just openly admitted it.
So.
You have to tell me.
tim pool
Here we go.
M.H.
says, I married a Korean and what you are saying about not being a full-class citizen is spot-on.
It's what I was told.
So I actually know this very prominent journalist who told me that I would be considered kind of a curiosity.
Almost like they would love to be like, what a strange thing you are.
But you are not.
adam crigler
That makes it so much better.
tim pool
Oh, I don't like I don't care.
adam crigler
I'm like... You don't, I know, but... Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
I'm an American.
adam crigler
Still not cool.
tim pool
And in America, I am equal under the law.
adam crigler
Boom.
tim pool
I am able to succeed.
adam crigler
Boom.
tim pool
I can rise up from the gutter of Chicago and become successful.
unidentified
Reach.
tim pool
That's why I love this country.
adam crigler
Boom.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
This is why I really hate why they've always said the American Dream isn't... Hold on.
unidentified
I gotta...
adam crigler
I gotta smash this like button.
You better be smashing that like button for that.
That's right.
America is awesome.
And you can make it.
You can.
Anyone can.
tim pool
I wonder what my grandparents or great grandparents would think about my success today.
Having gone through the racist laws, racial covenants, and lack of civil rights to see, you know, It's ignorance.
adam crigler
They have no idea what it was.
tim pool
The SJWs.
adam crigler
Yeah, they have zero clue.
tim pool
I'll tell you this.
My ancestors are smiling down from heaven, and they're saying, keep fighting.
You've done it.
We built this future for you.
We fought this fight for you.
And now these people are trying to tear down what my ancestors had created to make sure that I would have a good life.
These people are evil.
unidentified
These people are absolutely evil.
tim pool
Let's see, let's see, let's jump back a little bit.
That's it.
Lopez says facts don't care about your feelings. These Marxists want communism. Nothing more,
nothing less. That's it. Tayson says no, Tim, I will tell you the meaning of life, but I
can't. I want to. I won't tell you the meaning of life, but I can tell you there's meaning
in life from Tucson. That is a good point. Birdman says, Hey, Tim and crew, we just had
an event in Daphne, Alabama at the restaurant. Five guys were employees refused service to
police officers because they are cops. Long story short, the employees were fired. Spin
the UFO, Adam.
adam crigler
Really?
Wow.
unidentified
Good.
tim pool
You know why?
adam crigler
Good.
tim pool
If the owner of the business... No, no.
My position is you're a member of the community.
You provide for the community.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
I pay.
You provide service.
adam crigler
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
If the employees decide, you fire them.
adam crigler
Yeah, absolutely.
Good riddance.
tim pool
This is actually a really interesting conundrum, because being a cop isn't an immutable characteristic.
adam crigler
Right.
tim pool
It's a job choice.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
But in that regard, my argument actually stands tenfold.
The point I make is, I actually sat down and thought about the Baker situation.
Do you know the story?
adam crigler
I don't know.
tim pool
The Baker in, what was it, Colorado?
Colorado, Denver, yep.
So a gay couple wanted a wedding cake, and he said, I will give you any cake you want, but I won't write what you want me to write.
So they sued.
He won, I guess.
And I actually really thought hard about, like, what is the most apt outcome.
And I decided for me personally, based on my view of things, this is a city with a brick-and-mortar building, which has provided infrastructure, which has police, which has fire department, all of these wonderful services that are paid for not just by them, but by everybody.
So if somebody lives there and comes in, I don't think it's fair that a business can reap the benefits of the taxes I pay and then deny me a service because they're occupying a space that someone else could occupy.
You know what I'm saying?
adam crigler
Yeah, I get it.
tim pool
There's a certain community responsibility.
Right.
So again, I think that changes when you're doing private services and consulting and stuff, but that's the argument.
If you're a police officer, you're quite literally like a function of the community.
adam crigler
That's a good point.
tim pool
To deny service to a cop is even worse.
Yeah.
Reconcile that left, that I'm like, well, cops are especially deserving of service because they are actually being paid by the community and by your taxes.
You know what I mean?
I'm not saying everybody has to agree with my stance on the bakery thing, because I think libertarians disagree.
That's just how I personally view it.
The first argument I get from most people is that taxes are theft.
And my argument is, right, if we removed the tax system in general, I would agree with your argument.
The way I see it, though, is that Not everyone chooses to live where they live, which creates the problem.
But for people, you know, so if you choose to live somewhere, you're buying a subscription to that community.
Like, if you move there, you know what you're getting yourself into.
adam crigler
True.
lydia smith
Interesting.
tim pool
You know?
So, but there's challenges because where can you go where you can't pay taxes?
That I totally understand.
It's, it's, it's a, there's a whole lot of ethical arguments emerging with the, the, the expansion of, I mean, the fact that basically every bit of land on this planet is owned by somebody.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
Except for the oceans.
adam crigler
I'm sure you can find some open land in the middle of Alaska somewhere, but it's where no one will know.
tim pool
Did you know that China owns large swaths of like of land throughout the West?
adam crigler
No.
unidentified
Yeah.
adam crigler
In Alaska?
tim pool
Yeah.
Actually, a real estate agent told us this.
lydia smith
Wyoming.
tim pool
Is that Wyoming?
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
China has been buying up cheap and open land throughout the United States.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
They've been doing it in all these different countries, man.
adam crigler
What a surprise.
tim pool
People don't get it.
They got what's it called?
A thousand year plan or something.
unidentified
Yeah.
adam crigler
China's scary.
lydia smith
I think in long term.
unidentified
Well, they're taking over.
adam crigler
Not if I can help it.
tim pool
Not if Trump can help it.
He's doing what he can.
I wonder if the goal of the establishment corporations and Democrats was allow a peaceful transition of power to China.
Ooh.
We've talked about Thucydides's trap.
adam crigler
Yeah, no, I get what you're saying.
That's a frightening premise.
tim pool
It's better to bend the knee than nuclear war, isn't it?
adam crigler
That's what you've been saying.
It's like those people are like, well, I might as well just go along with it because then I might end up with a nicer house.
tim pool
But we know what happens to the revolutionaries.
I wrote a song about it!
adam crigler
Yes you did.
It's a good one.
That I agree with, absolutely.
tim pool
Kaleem Mim says, my coworker told me that the thing about America is it's great to create
your own business and succeed, but you don't get the introductions on how to figure it
out on your own.
That I agree with, absolutely.
I remember when I was younger, angry.
I had the gumption, but I did not know what the first step was to actually do something.
And I learned when I got older, it's literally do something.
lydia smith
That's for real.
tim pool
So I literally bought a bus ticket to New York and just walked around an empty park in New York.
And then from there, just kept doing things.
And starting that little tiny snowball down the hill, for a long time it's a tiny snowball, but eventually it's a boulder and it's going full speed.
But you gotta start by just literally doing it.
So my advice, I can only really give you advice to people who want to work in media, But whenever someone asks me about journalism, it's simple.
Work a crummy job, save as much as you can, sleep on couches, save your money, and then go somewhere and film it.
That simple.
adam crigler
It just makes me think of the, I don't remember who says it, but we're not going to get to Mars until we beat the Xbox, something like that?
tim pool
Oh, it was, if we ever shake hands with aliens, it will be not because we overcame the Xbox, I'm sorry, not because we overcame nuclear weapons, but because we overcame the Xbox.
adam crigler
Right, right, exactly.
Think about it this way.
It's peak privilege to just be able to play video games.
If you don't have a good job and are stable, you shouldn't be playing video games.
tim pool
Or start playing video games and make sure you stream it.
adam crigler
To make it something that you do.
tim pool
To make a business.
Make a streaming business.
That's a good point.
And there are a lot of streamers who are not really good, but they're fun people to hang out with.
adam crigler
They're personalities.
They have good characters.
tim pool
There were a bunch of streamers I used to watch that I would just turn it on and then go about my day.
And I'd hear them just talking and saying funny things and playing the game.
And I'm like, it's fun to, you know, I'm sure that's why people are listening to us.
You know what I mean?
lydia smith
Yeah, for sure.
tim pool
So that's the key, man.
adam crigler
Yep.
tim pool
Do it.
adam crigler
So my favorite hoodie or sweatshirt I wear a lot on the show.
It just says, uh, do, go do.
It says great things, but then great is just crossed out because it's like, you can't do something great until you start doing something.
So go, go do something.
Go, go do things.
lydia smith
I love it.
adam crigler
Offline.
tim pool
Joseph brings up a good point.
He says, tattoo artists would be hurt by this in terms of the businesses, saying, same basic structure argument as the baker.
I'll do any tattoo you want, but I will not do a swastika.
That's interesting.
Yeah.
Political.
So in Washington, D.C., if you're a tattoo parlor and someone asks for it, you got to do it.
adam crigler
Interesting.
unidentified
D.C.
tim pool
is an interesting place.
They protect political party as a human right.
Which means if you walked around wearing the worst of the worst, everyone's gotta, you know what you could do?
You could walk into Starbucks and you can wear all the craziest whatever you want and they could not kick you out.
Wow.
It would be a human rights violation.
It's because D.C.
is where we have to engage in politics.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
And what would happen if Starbucks was like, we don't serve Republicans here.
Right.
So I'm fairly confident in D.C.
wearing a MAGA hat, they just, the people who hate you will grumble.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
They can't do anything about it.
adam crigler
Yeah, one of these days maybe I'll wear one on the show.
Just kidding.
tim pool
Have Tome says, I'm a member of no party.
I have no ideology.
I'm a rationalist.
I do what I can in the international struggle between science and reason and the barbarism, superstition and stupidity that's all around us.
And there's so much of it, man.
It's so much of it.
It's such a bummer.
adam crigler
Yeah, it's true.
tim pool
Let's see.
Turtleburger says, I love the Goya thing.
Anti-racist fight racism and white supremacy by boycotting a minority-run business because he thanked the racist president who was signing in an executive order supporting a minority community.
adam crigler
Well said.
And not only that, that minority company does so much for the community.
I've been looking into it more, you know, because today I was just kind of like, this is crazy.
This is hilarious.
lydia smith
What's going on?
adam crigler
Right there, basically.
tim pool
So what I said, the context wasn't familiar.
It's basically that.
The CEO of Goya said thank you to Donald Trump.
And then all of a sudden, all of these lefties were like, you know, Google, I think AOC said, time to Google search how to make your own adobo.
And I'm like, what?
It's food products.
You know what I said?
I mean this legitimately.
Bill de Blasio said we are banning large public gatherings except Black Lives Matter.
adam crigler
He said that, right?
tim pool
Yes.
I would argue that supporting Goya is more important than Black Lives Matter for one reason.
adam crigler
Why?
tim pool
Goya employs our essential workers during a pandemic who are risking their safety directly to make sure there is enough food for people in this country.
adam crigler
That's a good point.
tim pool
Therefore, I believe I should have a right to march in support of Goya in a large gathering of hundreds of thousands of people in New York City.
And who is Bill de Blasio to argue that my cause is less important than his cause?
lydia smith
I like it.
tim pool
Now I'm not going to organize a Goya protest, I'm sorry.
But I will go buy Goya.
adam crigler
Me too.
tim pool
Dude, did you see the meme I retweeted?
adam crigler
No.
tim pool
Cassandra Fairbanks tweeted, I'm about to own the libs deliciously.
adam crigler
Oh yeah, I saw that.
tim pool
And then she posted a bunch of photos of all the Goya stuff she was ordering online.
And then someone quoted it saying, seasoning your meal to own the libs.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
I just loved it.
Because it's the most wholesome like culture war battle.
adam crigler
But this is what really pisses me off.
tim pool
Seasoning your meals.
adam crigler
This really pisses me off because we got people all over the place without food, right?
They're starving people in the world and it's like, I've heard it my whole life basically.
Finish your plate.
But now they're dumping Goya products in the trash.
Filming it like, oh yeah!
tim pool
Really?
unidentified
Boycott Goya.
adam crigler
During a pandemic?
Really you're gonna throw away food.
You're gonna throw away food right now instead of okay If you truly believe that you could take your Goya products and go give it to a food shelter Go give it to some homeless people that might need it Go give it to a church that will you know, bring it to the right place.
It's like you are just you're losing my respect and If you even had any to begin with.
But it's crazy, I'm seeing it all over the place.
They think it's cool.
It's like, what kind of virtue signaling are you doing?
tim pool
Remember when conservatives burned their Nike gear over Colin Kaepernick?
adam crigler
I did hear about that, I remember that.
tim pool
The thing about that was, I thought it was dumb to burn the gear, but there's no big deal in destroying your own shoes.
lydia smith
They already bought it.
tim pool
Yeah, it's like their shoes, whatever, I get it.
It's kind of a waste, but whatever.
adam crigler
Yeah, it's like they already bought the product.
tim pool
Yeah, I already got your money. Well, they're throwing it away. They're not gonna wear it anymore
adam crigler
They're not gonna wrap the brand so I know what the Goya food is. It's mostly right. No and beans
You're throwing away canned beans for for the internet to see your little
Right guaranteed. They all hit stop post set the phone down and took it out of the trash
Put it back into the cabinet or made their deep their their dinner, you know
tim pool
So we got one from Evodio Tovar who says, man, I was gonna vote for Jojo.
After listening to this, I think I'm going for Trump at this point.
adam crigler
I think we all need to.
tim pool
That's such a bummer.
The Libertarian Party, I've always been kind of like, well, I get it.
Their their candidates are the scraggly taxidermy fox.
adam crigler
But it's 10 o'clock.
tim pool
It is indeed.
Adam is cracking open the whiskey.
Look, man, I've often said this.
My personal ideology falls on the left libertarian spectrum, of which there are few people because it is probably the most difficult political spectrum which you could exist on.
It requires Reasoned cooperation to create a functioning system.
And it's very difficult.
You're herding cats.
Right-wing libertarianism is typically free market libertarianism.
Everyone does their thing within reason, non-aggression principle, but you can buy and trade and the invisible hand guides things.
And I've always maintained, if I had to choose which quadrant our government would exist in, there's only one that makes the most sense.
The libertarian right.
You know why?
adam crigler
How come?
tim pool
Within the libertarian right, I can have my left libertarian little society.
adam crigler
That's a good point.
tim pool
Even within our system, I think Ron Paul said this, if people want socialism so bad, why don't they go off and make a socialist community?
Some people have actually done this.
There's a really famous commune of like a hundred people, and you can sign up to live there, and everyone works, and they share in the bounty of all the work they do.
But it's a hundred people or so.
adam crigler
Right.
tim pool
Within America, you can move somewhere, get your buddies, and have your commune.
adam crigler
It's true.
tim pool
There's no law against this.
Why won't they do it?
adam crigler
Because it takes work, Tim.
tim pool
Because they're not really libertarian.
They're authoritarians who want to steal your stuff.
lydia smith
That's right.
adam crigler
They want other people to do the work.
tim pool
Exactly.
lydia smith
It's easy.
tim pool
They want your stuff and they don't want to do any work for it.
adam crigler
Okay, before we move on, I don't know if we're going to do music now.
unidentified
We are.
adam crigler
You should play first.
tim pool
What should I play?
adam crigler
A song.
So I want to notice somebody right here.
This is iRezTV says, Notice me, Daddy.
And in parentheses, it's Adam.
Sorry, Tim.
You're great.
But he did go viral, so...
tim pool
So?
adam crigler
That's it.
It was a hefty super chat.
Oh, nice!
Was it new or was it... Yeah, it just happened.
tim pool
Oh, excellent, excellent.
adam crigler
Thank you for that hefty super chat.
I see you, I notice you, and I appreciate you.
tim pool
Well, ladies and gentlemen... Whoa, whoa, whoa!
adam crigler
I'm gonna spin the UFO for you.
Now you can... Smash the like button!
Smash!
Smash it!
unidentified
Smash the button and rip it off!
tim pool
This is normally where the show would end, but don't go because we're going to keep hanging out.
It's Friday night.
adam crigler
It is Friday.
tim pool
And so we actually hang out for about another half an hour and we're going to play some music and I guess I'm going to play a song if my throat works because this is like hour six of me talking today.
My throat is getting dry.
No, I have this Canada Dry Lemon Lime Sparkling Seltzer.
But before we go into the jam session, make sure you subscribe, smash the like button, hit the notification bell.
We do the show Monday through Friday, live at 8 p.m.
We put up clips every day, and you must.
This is your homework, alright?
Everyone's got homework.
adam crigler
Yeah, tomorrow at 8 p.m., go to YouTube.
And, uh, Adam Kast's IRL is going live for the first time from my new channel, and you can, uh, we're gonna do me and Ian Crossland's back.
tim pool
Tweet, tweet out the link to your channel.
adam crigler
I will.
I have a few times.
I will tweet it out.
I'll put it on Parler, too.
So, actually, I have, so, but I'll do it again, obviously.
And check it out.
We're going to be talking about some cool stuff.
I was a big fan of the deep dive into Tesla.
We're probably going to be doing deep dives into whatever.
Mostly people, really cool people.
tim pool
I was going to say the homework is to spread the good word of the Timcast IRL podcast.
Spread the message.
Tell all your friends.
The greatest podcast.
So we are on iTunes, Spotify, and Google.
I think we're still trying to get on a bunch of other.
lydia smith
We're on iHeart.
tim pool
We're on iHeart?
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
We need to get on Pandora, that's for sure.
So we're going to be doing that too, so you can find us basically everywhere, and you should, and you should hang out.
But the other news is we're going to be creating, we're working on a website, so feel free to, do we have an email for people?
adam crigler
I have spintheufo at gmail.com.
tim pool
Alright, spintheufo at gmail.com, we're looking for like a full service web development Oh, no, actually we're not.
We found one, didn't we?
We did.
We do have one.
Okay, never mind.
I'm wrong.
I shouldn't have said anything.
adam crigler
We did find somebody.
But you can send stories there.
Lydia does.
She takes care of that email.
lydia smith
I go through it every day.
adam crigler
If you want to send her some stories, that'd be great.
tim pool
We're going to hang out for a little bit.
Do you want to set up the mics now for the music?
adam crigler
Yeah, I'll go set you up.
tim pool
Because I've never done it before.
So for those that are hanging out, let me just say, as it pertains to the cultural commentary and political stuff, we're winding down.
But you are free to continue to hang out because it turns out Adam and I are both really, apparently, really good at playing music.
And we're going to.
So we're not going away just yet.
So you're still, you know, still stay, hang, and we'll just, you know, jam out and hang out.
adam crigler
Are you ready for me to turn the mic on?
tim pool
Well, I can plug it in whenever you're ready.
adam crigler
You have to plug it in first.
lydia smith
Alright.
adam crigler
Before I turn it on.
tim pool
I'm gonna mute the audio now for those listening so I can plug this in so it doesn't blow out your eardrums.
unidentified
And now we're back.
Thank you.
adam crigler
Testing, testing.
tim pool
It's still giving me feedback though.
unidentified
One, two, three.
adam crigler
Oh, it is?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
There we go, I think we're good.
unidentified
Whoa.
Uh oh.
What?
tim pool
Something happened.
lydia smith
Let me double check everything.
tim pool
Did everyone's ears just explode?
I think, Adam, I think you have to go first.
unidentified
Why?
tim pool
Because I need to adjust the levels for the ambient mic.
adam crigler
Well, let me go grab my whiskey.
tim pool
There we go.
Adam's gonna play y'all a song.
Or you know what?
unidentified
I'll just do it.
tim pool
Do you know how to adjust the levels for the I'll play a song in E. Do we have the jam cam on?
adam crigler
Yeah, it should be on.
unidentified
Yeah.
♪ ♪
♪ Alright.
adam crigler
Oh, that was better.
Are we good?
tim pool
Do it to it!
adam crigler
Alright, well, first off, thanks everyone for still hanging out to listen to us both play.
I have no idea what I'm going to play, so I'm just going to play She's Just.
This is a song that I wrote a long time ago.
10 years ago now, I guess.
unidentified
It's just gone too far, she said, as she took another drink at the bar.
And to tell you what the truth is, I just never knew when to stop.
I never knew when to stop She was sitting in the corner
you Trying to pick up her pride.
They didn't disown her.
Oh, but she wished that they had tried.
Been gone three summers.
Made all the difference in the world.
Least ten years older in her mind.
But that's alright.
Moved to California.
Out to live that western dream.
But her eastern persona wouldn't ever, ever let her be.
She always ended up missing home.
She always ended up missing home.
Missing home So many before her she's just just another face in the
crowd Oh
you you
Well it's becoming clearer to her, but she is not ready right now.
adam crigler
Well, she's not ready to go.
unidentified
And tensions grew bolder.
Impatience picked up steam.
Too many people told her, you have to stay.
And take what's in your reach.
I won't just stand here, watching all my plans fall through.
Cause I've discovered, it's all about the time I use.
Moved to California, out to live that Western dream.
But her eastern persona wouldn't ever ever let her be.
She always end up missing home.
She always end up missing home.
Missing home Thanks for watching! Please subscribe!
Thank you.
It's just gone too far, she said. She took another drink at the bar.
And to tell you what the truth is, I just never knew when to stop.
I just never knew when to stop.
Woo!
lydia smith
Come on, guys.
unidentified
Thank you, everybody.
Oh, man.
Oh, let's see if I can play some music, huh?
Don't forget to smash that like button.
Smash that like button.
How's it going, y'all?
tim pool
I'm gonna play a song that was not written to be performed on an acoustic guitar, but everybody really liked that I was playing it before, when we were jamming, so... I'm gonna play it.
Everything look good on your guys' end?
lydia smith
Yeah.
unidentified
Let's see what I can do.
tim pool
Maybe I should play it a little bit more acoustic-y, I suppose.
unidentified
Back to the start, to the lines where you were coming from You retraced your steps but now they're gone You only
wanted something so beautiful Enter the dream where all the promises you couldn't keep
Went away ever so blissfully You only wanted something so beautiful
Back to the front, to the place where you had seen it gone You retraced your steps, but now it's lost.
You only wanted something so beautiful.
Enter the dream of all the promises you couldn't keep.
Drift away ever so blissfully.
You only wanted something so beautiful.
Here it goes again.
Just like you thought it would, my friend.
But you don't know now.
It's a million to one.
Enter the dream.
All the promises you couldn't keep.
But you don't know now.
It's a million to one It's a million to one
It's a million to one you
And here it goes again, just like you thought it would my friend, but you don't know now
It's a million to one, enter the dream All the promises you couldn't keep, but you don't know now
It's a million to one It's a million to one
It's a million to one Woo! Yeah! I like that song. Alright, it's your go.
Nice dude. Hell yeah.
adam crigler
Well, honestly, I didn't really have any plans for what I was going to play, but I love this song, and it gets in my head all the time.
It's not mine.
And we're not allowed to cover stuff, but there's a loophole.
unidentified
Let's see.
adam crigler
I can cover Tim's music.
Oh, here we go.
And no one has to know.
Well, obviously, I just told everyone.
But this one's called Words in a Book.
I've heard the song.
When I first met him, we jammed a little bit, and he played the song, and I was like, dude, you got some skill, man.
And it's always been in my head, seriously, for frickin' eight years.
I love the song.
unidentified
So...
♪ ♪
♪ Remember when
♪ we used to fight for
peace but here's where
we're only on TV screens 2, 3, 4
The market's made up of broken hopes and dreams, to put me back in mediocrity.
Taking more, taking spider lips, Focus on the way.
Really?
Guess you never change that day.
It's hard to believe that you mean nothing to me.
Cause you used to mean everything.
Remember when?
We used to fight for peace.
Villains weren't only on TV screens.
My heart is made up of broken hopes and dreams.
I'll take my place in history.
Take in more, take in spite of this.
Focus on the ways.
I really wish you'd change that day.
It's hard to believe that you mean nothing to me.
Cause you used to be everything.
There are words in a book about what we've been through And there are lines in a script written for me and you
So take it all inside and pray it works Another aching in your heart starts to burn
Take it more Take in spite of this.
And focus on the ways.
I really hope you changed that day.
It's hard to believe but I'm moving on with my dreams.
Cause you were never there for me There are words in a book
About what we've been through And there are lines in a script
Written for me and you So take it all in stride
And pray it works Another aching in your heart
Starts to burn Thanks for watching! Please subscribe!
adam crigler
I love that song.
unidentified
That's a good song.
adam crigler
That's Tim's song.
You want to play another one?
Yeah, what should I play though?
I mean, there's Will of the People sitting right here.
I mean, I know you know the words.
tim pool
I don't need it.
I don't need it.
But I could play something else.
unidentified
Well, play whatever you feel like.
tim pool
I gotta pick.
unidentified
Alright.
What?
lydia smith
Play something that's easier on your voice.
tim pool
Yeah, well, you know what?
adam crigler
Don't belt.
unidentified
Yeah.
Maybe time to...
Okay.
Maybe not.
Time to turn it off.
Should I tune it?
I would.
you uh-huh
tim pool
What did you think?
Could you pinpoint?
unidentified
Oh, here he goes.
tim pool
While we're taking this very ever so slight... Smash the like button!
unidentified
We're a well-oiled machine.
tim pool
It's tuned as good as it's gonna get.
unidentified
It felt like clouds filled the sky When you looked at me and said goodbye
This is a soy song by the way It felt like the rain came down
When you looked away and turned around Oh no
Now it's kinda like I lack the strength To carry on by myself
In time you'll find That it's kinda like I feel the arms
Reached around my sides to hold me tight It's better than before
It felt like the rain came down When you looked at me and said goodbye
This is a soy song by the way It felt like the rain came down
The room started spinning, as I'm hanging here for another round.
It felt like my world stopped turning, and I haven't found solid ground.
Now it's kinda like I lack the strength to carry on by myself in time, you'll find
That it's kinda like I miss the arms reaching around my sides to hold me tight
It's better than before.
And I'm jaded.
And I'm broken.
over the ending to the story we created I swallowed myself into this empty world
missing you I'm missing you
without you I fell into
the void Thank you for watching! Please subscribe!
Now it's kinda like I found the strength to carry on by myself with time I found.
And it's kinda like a thousand arms reach around my sides to hold me tight.
And it's better than before And I'm jaded
And I'm broken up Over the ending to the story we created
And swallow myself into This empty world without you
Without you Without you
I fell into the end Yeah!
You wanna play another one?
tim pool
No, that'll do it for me tonight.
I could maybe play a really light one.
unidentified
She goes, don't play something where you have to belt.
lydia smith
Yeah, man.
adam crigler
So you play a song that you dig into.
unidentified
I tried.
adam crigler
What am I, guess what I'm doing right now?
unidentified
Smashing the like button.
lydia smith
Bidening that like button.
adam crigler
Bidening the button!
lydia smith
You smelled it.
unidentified
I sniffed it, technically, is the correct... Somebody said 50 bucks, Tim can't record next week.
adam crigler
Oh no.
No, no, no, no, no.
He did a lot of recording.
He did Will of the People over and over and over again.
That's why, that's the truth.
tim pool
Yeah, last week I lost my voice.
we did six full belt takes of Will of the People and that was in like in like a half an hour span.
unidentified
Any requests in the room?
tim pool
I mean, I always pick your hot singles.
adam crigler
I know, but I...
Sure.
No, I don't want to play Takin' It Back or Melancholy Halloween.
Those are the two that I play the most, though.
tim pool
There's another one you play, though.
What's the one other one?
adam crigler
Find Yourself?
lydia smith
Yes.
tim pool
Yes, Find Yourself.
adam crigler
Alright, I'll play Find Yourself.
It's not the same without Nisha, who's joined me a couple times on the show, playing it.
tim pool
For those that are curious, every song being played tonight is original.
Technically, Adam played a cover, but it was a cover of my song, so we can't do covers.
So that song I played was a complete original.
adam crigler
Yeah, everything we were playing is original.
tim pool
This is Adam's original now.
adam crigler
This one's called, Find Yourself.
tim pool
♪ The beanie's off, he means business.
lydia smith
That's right.
unidentified
Wow, some songs just... How dare you!
adam crigler
They require to be beanie-less.
unidentified
All the saints are calling all the masses.
They want your souls, go pay all their taxes.
Don't fear your belief of what you are inside.
Hold it dear, it's the truth that they're trying to hide.
Recognize the first Open your eyes to disguise, start searching deep in your soul, deep inside your soul.
And find yourself, cause no one else will Find yourself, cause no one else will
Hey, can I get just a little taste?
A salivatic little getaway you
Or are you on your knees, swallowing the answers?
See, authorities, see, they don't take chances.
Are we blind?
It's a crime that we can't ignore.
I think it's time we show them that we'll take no more.
Recognize The first stage of trouble
Open your eyes to disguise Start searching deep in your soul
Deep inside your soul And find yourself
Cause no one else will Find yourself
Cause no one else will We must unequivocally disobey
Help me Horace, let me seize the day With a Guy Fawkes mask
True determination Anonymous bliss
Who controls the nation?
Are we blind?
It's a crime that we can't ignore.
I think it's time we show them that we'll take no more.
Recognize the first stage of trouble.
Open your eyes to disguise.
Start searching deep in your soul.
Deep inside your soul Find yourself
Cause no one else will find yourself Another one of my songs.
What time is it?
Recognize the first stage of trouble Open your eyes to disguise and start searching
adam crigler
Yeah. Thank you. That was Find Yourself, another one of my songs.
I guess, what time is it?
tim pool
It is 10.32. Arguably about that time, but you know.
adam crigler
I'm going to cut it off.
tim pool
You're going to cut it off?
unidentified
Alright, he's cutting it off.
adam crigler
But listen, before I go back over there, tomorrow night, I could play some more songs tomorrow.
You can tune in at 8pm, Atomcast IRL.
I'm going to have Ian Crossland is going to be my co-host.
He's also a musician.
You haven't heard him.
He didn't get a chance to play on Atomcast.
But I'm bringing Adam Kass back.
So tomorrow night, 8pm, we're gonna talk a bunch and then we'll probably jam some songs afterwards.
Why not?
Saturday night thing.
So yeah, tune in.
Thanks for hanging out with us.
unidentified
I'm gonna head back over there.
tim pool
We're gonna switch things back up.
So, thanks for hanging out for this Friday Night Jam session.
We go a little long, and I'm grateful to everybody who hangs out.
It's kind of crazy because right now, because of COVID, there's no large gatherings.
adam crigler
That's a good point.
tim pool
But you played a song to 20,000 people.
Isn't that crazy?
unidentified
That's amazing.
Wow.
tim pool
For those of you that are watching, just to let you know, some of the biggest venues for your average band will have 1,000 seats.
unidentified
What?
tim pool
For real.
That's crazy.
Yeah, I worked at a venue in Chicago.
adam crigler
Oh, wow.
Thinking about it is insane.
It's like, I just played for 20,000 people.
Is that what you're saying?
tim pool
I did, yeah.
adam crigler
Thank you.
tim pool
And then it leveled off.
adam crigler
That's all I have to say.
tim pool
I think like 12,000 people hang out just chillin'.
adam crigler
No, it was 15 when, it was like 16 when you played.
tim pool
I just mean like just, you know, just as you were finishing off.
adam crigler
Right, right, right.
tim pool
You know, like there's still 12,000 people who are like hanging out.
That's crazy.
I mean, you guys rock.
I gotta admit, there's a certain weird feeling where I'm just, we're just sitting in the house and we're like cameras on, we're talking about our feelings and playing music and it's like people are hanging out with us.
adam crigler
I mean, that's literally what we do.
tim pool
I know.
And you got whiskey.
Talk about the worst job in the world, man.
adam crigler
Man, I tweeted last week after the jam and I was just like, I love my job.
The sentiment remains.
lydia smith
It resonates.
adam crigler
I really do love my job.
tim pool
We are moving forward with a big expansion project for those that have been hanging out.
We've been talking about it.
I'm hoping we can get it going within like a month and a half.
Yeah.
Indoor skate park, live skate sessions.
adam crigler
Yes.
tim pool
So we have a big plan right now.
We're going to have like a members only site with live access.
So when we're skating the mini ramp, because we do like almost every day when it's not, well, with an indoor park, we're skating every day.
adam crigler
We're going to be skating all the time.
tim pool
Let me tell you about my schedule.
The first thing I do when I wake up, you know what it is?
adam crigler
What is it?
tim pool
I go onto Twitter and I go onto Reddit.
lydia smith
Hey, that's what I do.
tim pool
Reddit's become less effective, but for the most part, I immediately start looking at my various news websites, news sources, and Twitter feed.
As soon as I wake up, I grab my phone and I'm sourcing news, grabbing links and storing them, being like, these are interesting things.
I'm reading about what's going on at 7 a.m.
I usually get done with all of my recording around like 3.30 or so.
Because those clips go up at like 6.
And then I go in the skate park.
I skate for a couple hours.
Come back in.
Eat some food.
And then we come back in here.
adam crigler
And you're there.
tim pool
And we do the next show.
For a long time.
And then at about 11.30 or so, I'm in bed.
And over the past couple of weeks, I've been watching every episode reruns of The Outer Limits.
I love that show.
adam crigler
I've never seen it.
tim pool
So good.
And I'm gonna do Tales from the Crypt next.
adam crigler
I am excited to read this book.
tim pool
Thomas Sowell, dude, is a legend.
unidentified
Can I get my camera?
adam crigler
Black rednecks and white liberals.
I've been hearing about this book.
This guy, he's a genius in his own right.
A lot of people need to look into him if you don't know him.
tim pool
Thomas Sowell, man.
He's got a Twitter account where they post quotes from him.
adam crigler
The quotes are on fire non-stop.
It's great.
Awesome stuff.
tim pool
So it's Friday.
We'll be back Monday at 8 p.m.
live.
Make sure to follow me on Twitter, Instagram, and YouTube and all that stuff at TimCast.
adam crigler
And Parler.
tim pool
And Parler.
Yeah, and for those that don't know, I mean, there's probably an overlap where people don't know that I actually have two other channels, because I'm sure, but I actually have two other channels that are just me doing, like, news commentary.
It's very different from what we do here.
And then Adam actually has his own channel he launched, AdamCastIRL.
adam crigler
Yep.
tim pool
There you go.
adam crigler
AdamCastIRL.
tim pool
Make sure you guys subscribe.
Yep.
You should tweet... Adam...
adam crigler
Yeah, I'll tweet it out.
But, I mean, for those who are here right now, AdamCastIRL, it is a channel.
I uploaded a video.
You couldn't actually see it until I had a video, so what I did was I took my favorite video of AdamCast when they were doing Joe Rogan a couple months ago.
tim pool
Yeah, I was gone for a couple weeks.
adam crigler
Yeah, it was basically a deep dive into Nikola Tesla.
Amazing man.
If you don't know anything about him, you want to know more about him, you could You can check it out on my channel, AdamCastIRL, but more importantly, it's going to be a live show, probably like a Saturday thing.
Me and Ian are just going to rap about stuff, deep dive into really interesting people in life.
tim pool
It's going to be the same set.
adam crigler
It will use the set here for now until the new location.
I might have my own spot in the cast network.
I think we will.
Cast Castle, is that a thing?
tim pool
Cast Castle.
So we're going to have a vlog of this new massive space.
There's going to be so much happening, man.
We're going to have exclusive content.
We're actually going to create a members thing for people who want to watch the mini-ramp and hang out, and we're going to do special releases.
But I'm also going to be setting up some actual journalists to do fact-checking on a ton of news to actually start solving these problems.
Put my money where my mouth is.
adam crigler
Yes!
tim pool
Adams, we're probably going to have multiple sets.
But first things first, we're getting a new space, motivated in part by the awful leadership of Governor Murphy in New Jersey.
And I was like, we got to get out of here.
We just got to go.
And the good news is that when you move into the middle of nowhere, you can get big spaces for low cost.
adam crigler
That's true.
tim pool
A lot of expansion.
I'm actually trying to figure out how to build a full vert ramp.
But that might be just a pipe dream, because you're shaking your head.
You're like, we're gonna do it.
I can skate a mini ramp, you know, decently well.
I don't know about a vert ramp, but it'd be fun.
adam crigler
I want to learn vert.
I would love to skate vert.
It looks so much fun.
And Tony Hawk is doing a master class now.
And he's like the vert master.
Maybe we can have him out.
I mean... Tony Hawk, if you're listening, because of course he watches the show, if you're listening, we would love to have you come out to Cast Castle when, you know, we officially get it going.
tim pool
The good news is we're gonna have a ton of space for having guests.
The bad news is we're gonna be in the middle of nowhere, so getting them there will be a certain, well...
adam crigler
And we don't want anyone to know.
So if you want to be a guest, you got it.
We got black bag.
tim pool
So here's what's going to happen.
If you want to be a guest in the show, we'll give you, we'll give you a street address to stand at on a corner in a random city.
adam crigler
Yes.
tim pool
And then you'll be standing there and a van will pull up.
The door will slide open.
Two guys will throw a bag over your head and pull you in and you will wake up here.
adam crigler
Don't worry.
tim pool
Set live.
We pulled the bag off your head and you're sitting here.
adam crigler
Welcome to the Tim Castellanos show.
unidentified
Their hair's all messed up and they're like, Please don't hurt me!
adam crigler
Oh, Tim!
Tim Poole!
Oh, I'm here!
Yeah.
tim pool
He'll be in the van.
He'll be knocked out or whatever.
adam crigler
Oh, that's funny.
tim pool
All right, everybody.
So, again, Adam will tweet out the- Smash that like button.
Yes.
Oh, no, is that not what- I was gonna say, Adam's gonna post his YouTube.
adam crigler
Yeah, I will.
AdamCassIRL.
tim pool
We're gonna get out of here.
We'll be back on Monday.
I'm gonna be back tomorrow.
And then, stick around, man.
We're getting really excited for this new big upgrade.
So, thanks for hanging out and we will see you all next time.
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