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July 8, 2020 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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TimcastIRL - 'Resistance' Claim Trump Will Cheat, Barr Will help, And Civil War Will Erupt
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adam crigler
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tim pool
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lydia smith
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unidentified
Good evening, everybody.
adam crigler
Good evening everybody.
Normally, Tim starts the show, but I'm going to start it today with a very special message to whoever sent me this wonderful pillow.
It's a like button.
Drink it to smash!
Yeah!
Oh, that felt so good.
tim pool
Just wanted to beat the like button.
adam crigler
Hold on, I'm not done.
You're not smashing it.
I want you to do the same right now.
Smash that like button.
You know you want to.
Come on.
unidentified
But look at this.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, smash!
tim pool
Adam now has a like button to smash.
To accommodate his violent tendencies.
unidentified
Yeah, he has so many violent tendencies.
tim pool
And a bang on the table.
Yeah.
So did you guys smash the like button?
Oh, a bunch of people did.
Wow, look at that.
I think we got to start with that from now on.
adam crigler
It works.
tim pool
You got to start bashing the like button.
adam crigler
The pillow works.
And I feel better.
I've let off a little steam.
tim pool
There's a lot of anger in the air, you know?
It's therapeutic.
adam crigler
Seriously though, thank you whoever sent that to us, because we just got it in the mail today to the Timcast IRL mail slot, and I actually filled it myself with some beans.
tim pool
Be careful.
It's pointing at you.
You don't want to point it the other way, because then it becomes... No, don't do it!
adam crigler
It's a like button, alright?
It is a like button.
Smash the like button.
tim pool
But is it a Facebook like button?
lydia smith
No, it just looks like this one.
adam crigler
I don't care.
I don't discriminate against like buttons.
tim pool
It's blue, like Facebook.
lydia smith
Nah.
adam crigler
It's purple to me, alright?
lydia smith
Oh yeah, that's right.
adam crigler
Try to tell me something different, hmm?
unidentified
Go ahead.
tim pool
I heard a rumor.
unidentified
I heard a rumor.
adam crigler
Oh, rumors?
tim pool
Yeah, that Donald Trump was gonna cheat.
lydia smith
I saw it coming too.
tim pool
I wonder how many people get the reference.
I think you all get it by now, right?
We just love making fun of Eric Swalwell.
adam crigler
Donald Trump is going to cheat an election.
They would hope, don't they?
tim pool
This is actually a really fascinating story.
It's apparently Max Boot.
Who is he?
Who's Max Boot?
lydia smith
Isn't he a columnist for... let me look it up.
tim pool
Well, yeah, he's a columnist for Washington Post.
But he's like... He wrote an article, and I'm going to give him a more ominous-sounding voice, because I don't know what he really sounds like.
For all I know, he was like, Hi, my name's Max Boot, and I... But for the sake of it, I'm gonna give him a more ominous-sounding, dark voice of, I recently participated.
In war games.
unidentified
Now, I was on Team Trump, and we did not concede.
tim pool
And he basically writes this article about how they were given a... It's like they're playing D&D, basically.
adam crigler
Right.
tim pool
It's like, okay, it's actually really funny.
They basically played leftist D&D to see what Trump would do.
lydia smith
This makes sense.
In his picture, for the post, he's wearing a fedora.
So, you know, calculate that into your voice impression.
tim pool
Hey, hey, hey, hey, stop bragging on the D&D players.
adam crigler
Yeah, see?
It was right on the wall.
Yeah, I saw it.
It was there.
tim pool
Well, if we're gonna do D&D fedora-wearing, you know, anti-Trump... Recently, I participated in war games.
Well, I was on Team Trump.
adam crigler
That's where he licks the pencil.
He's like, I'm gonna get this down.
Yeah, I'm gonna write this.
unidentified
I was on Team Trump.
adam crigler
Get all the information.
tim pool
And then his friend goes, more like drums.
unidentified
Am I right?
tim pool
And then they high-five.
All right, all right, enough raggedy.
adam crigler
But like across the room too, they're like not even near each other.
unidentified
He's like, yeah.
tim pool
And they still miss.
adam crigler
Totally got it.
tim pool
So he wrote this thing where he basically says, literally there was various scenarios presented
by some organization, they had all these people come in and they chose teams.
And they were like, even though Trump loses the election, he refuses to concede.
And then he mentions there are like other scary scenarios where if nobody wins,
then like the right and the left, like civil war erupts.
I'm not kidding, the Washington Post, published this.
adam crigler
Oh, the Washington Post.
Yes, yes.
I've learned that they're a great source of information.
tim pool
Hey, democracy dies in darkness.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
At the Washington Post, apparently.
No, but listen, listen, the point is, we have one of the most prominent papers in the country.
Unfortunately, it's the Washington Post.
But they've literally written this thing where they're saying our war game scenario predict
a civil war where violence erupts.
And the speculation is that the civil war ends in the favor of the right, not in the way you might think.
The right doesn't win the fighting, the fighting just in general causes SCOTUS to force everything to stop and give Trump the victory.
Like they just say, Trump, you win, everyone stop.
So we have that.
And then we also have this really, really amazing story.
You see, a bunch of people got together, and there was a letter that was drafted.
And the letter said, we must cancel cancel culture.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
tim pool
And now it's begun.
Some of the people who've signed the letter, they've already tried canceling some of these people.
And it's like, yes, we saw that coming.
But one person's already apologized to the mob, trying to cancel them for he- Yes!
It was like, not even a day.
adam crigler
Don't cancel me for cancelling the cancel culture cancelling list.
tim pool
Yeah, people were like, you wanna cancel cancel culture?
We'll cancel you!
I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
I didn't know.
These people are so pathetic, man.
And so, we actually have J.K.
Rowling, who has signed this letter as well.
And so they've written this thing about it.
We'll check that one out.
And then if we get to it, usually we'll tease some of the stories I might talk about.
Mortgage-backed securities are apparently, their delinquency rate is worse than it was during the Great Recession when the housing market totally collapsed.
adam crigler
Oh, back in 2008?
tim pool
Yeah, yeah.
And there's some speculation that we are going to see, like, worse than the Great Depression.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
Because everything's, like, being held together right now by duct tape.
adam crigler
Yep.
tim pool
But I'm not entirely convinced.
We'll see.
What if Trump wins because he cheats in the economy tanks?
Just, like, combine all of these scenarios everyone's putting together.
And then what?
Like Mad Max?
Trump's wearing, like, spiked leather, you know, with chains and, like, riding on a giant roadster or whatever.
adam crigler
Idiocracy.
tim pool
Total idiocracy, man.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah.
But we, uh, other than that, we have a, we have a like button, so you should, you should, well, Adam, take it away.
Well, people are listening, they have no idea what you're doing right now.
adam crigler
I'm smiling, obnoxiously.
lydia smith
She's holding the like button.
adam crigler
For those just listening, I'm holding this like button and smiling obnoxiously, hoping you know what I'm about to do, which is smash it!
tim pool
Well, you're actually punching it.
adam crigler
Don't tell me, Tim.
unidentified
You have to, like, take both your fists and, like... I'm sorry, I'm wrong, Tim.
adam crigler
You can just say you're wrong.
I'm used to it by now.
tim pool
Don't forget to smash the subscribe button.
The notification bell.
adam crigler
This is how I smash, Tim.
tim pool
You smash?
adam crigler
This is considered smashing, Tim.
tim pool
No, I think you're mashing.
unidentified
I'm mentally picturing this as Tim's face right now.
tim pool
Mashing the like button.
lydia smith
Mutiny.
adam crigler
Smash the Tim's face.
I meant like button.
unidentified
We don't want to smash his face.
adam crigler
Yeah, yeah, no.
tim pool
Let's talk about this here story, huh?
Let's talk about what if Trump loses, but insists he won?
How many times have they written articles like this?
unidentified
Multiple.
adam crigler
Where it's like... All the time.
tim pool
It's been, you know, there was a funny tweet I saw and it said, if you're one of these people that's retweeting the story that says Trump is not going to leave the White House, you're the rube.
Like, you're the target of their grift.
adam crigler
Yep.
tim pool
They're going to keep writing these stories because they know you're going to keep clicking on them.
And they write new versions every single time.
Trump will cheat.
You know what Trump said if he loses?
unidentified
What?
tim pool
They were like, what do you do if you lose?
And he's like, then I lose.
What do you mean, what?
It's a very boring answer.
I go, I leave.
adam crigler
What are you talking about?
tim pool
Joe Biden apparently said something like you have to get the military to pull Trump out.
unidentified
Oh gosh.
lydia smith
Very exciting.
tim pool
Why are they engaging in this kind of rhetoric?
You know what I mean?
Shouldn't they just keep their mouths shut?
unidentified
What was that?
tim pool
What do you got?
adam crigler
Spritz.
lydia smith
We got to spritz the cat.
tim pool
And she's gone.
OK, OK, but let's let's let's let's stop worrying about the cats.
Let's check out the story.
Yeah.
Well, actually, here's the first.
adam crigler
No, no.
I want to actually comment on that, because it it makes me think every single thing that's happening is is the Democrats firing all the weapons they've got.
That's why Biden's saying something, because they are in a corner with every single blade out, throwing him in every direction.
Fire everything!
Biden's like, he's gonna cheat!
Trump's like, no, I'd leave.
What are you talking about?
I'll walk out of the White House.
What other options do I have?
tim pool
This scenario is very similar to one we talked about before, where they're like, Trump doesn't win, so they accuse the Democrats of cheating or claim there was Chinese interference, and then jam up the process so that nobody wins, and then the Supreme Court or the House side with Trump.
adam crigler
Well, didn't the Supreme Court just rule that the states have to give their popular vote to the electoral votes?
tim pool
They have to give their electoral votes to who wins the state.
No, no, no, in the state.
adam crigler
Oh, in the state.
tim pool
So, yeah, so if a state says Donald Trump won, then the electoral votes have to go to Trump.
No faithless electors, because people tried voting for other random people in 2016.
Right.
Yeah, because they're like, just like, I don't agree with any of this.
They're not supposed to do that.
Interestingly, I mean, the Electoral College vote is a remnant of Uh, the olden days.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
That one of the, one of the features of the Electoral College was that, you know, you'd send electors to be like, here's what our state has chosen.
adam crigler
Right.
tim pool
So when the state voted for something, the elector represents that state.
So that still makes sense.
For a lot of other reasons, Electoral College is all about proportional representation.
Right.
And then, you know, we negotiate the power based on the population.
So you have your senators plus your republic, plus your, uh, your congressmen.
So, the Electoral College, in my opinion, is a very, very, very important structure.
Because it makes sure that we don't have mob majority rule, basically.
Mob majority rule.
What I mean is, if you had just a popular vote, then you'd have Chicago, Los Angeles, and New York controlling everything.
lydia smith
Right, that's a full democracy, right?
tim pool
And, right, it doesn't work, it doesn't work.
So what you end up getting is, let's say they find, you know, fresh water.
And actually, no, we'll use the Great Lakes as an example.
If Los Angeles was facing, if California was facing another drought, and then it was based on popular vote, California would lobby and be like, why don't we get the water from Chicago?
And then New York, depending on which way they go, it's gonna be all about the big cities.
So the easiest way I explain this to people is when I went to California, and there was an area where the well water had run dry because the farmers were digging deeper and deeper and deeper, there was a drought going on.
So it's not solely the issue of voting, but one of the issues was that they had a lot of surface water in the farms, but because the big cities have more people they voted, the surface water goes to the cities.
So now you had poor people living in rural areas who had their surface water taken away from them by the big cities.
So, you know, that's a really good example of the problem.
If you live in the middle of nowhere and you have a pond, the big city can just vote and come and take it away.
They still can do that.
But with an electoral college, it makes it much more difficult for the bigger populations to oppress the smaller states and the smaller populations.
adam crigler
Water wars.
tim pool
That's coming, it's coming too.
So anyway, their pitch here, what I think is interesting about this story is two things.
First, they say that basically, you know, Trump barely loses, then Bill Barr claims there was cheating, and then, you know, like fighting breaks out, and the House rules in favor of Trump.
But they also mention here at the bottom that, what did they say, far, hold on, let me see, yeah, they're talking about near civil war in the streets, that's what they say.
The danger of an undemocratic outcome only grows in other scenarios that were war-gamed by other participants.
For instance, what if there is no clear-cut winner on election night, with Biden narrowly ahead in the Electoral College, but with Michigan, North Carolina, and Florida still too close to call?
The participants in that war-game concluded the result would be near-civil war in the streets.
Far-fetched rumors are enough to bring out armed right-wing militias today.
Imagine how they would respond if they imagined that there was an actual plot afoot to steal the election from their hero.
adam crigler
Wow.
tim pool
You know, I actually agree with that.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
Because I've talked to some people.
I've had people message me saying straight up, if they see, you know, that the election is being stolen, the militias will come out.
adam crigler
Yeah, but they're saying that they're out right now.
Like, I don't see militias out.
tim pool
Well, they're talking about Gettysburg.
Saying that the militias that showed up in Gettysburg fell for the hoax that Antifa was going to burn flags.
adam crigler
I haven't seen anything from Gettysburg.
Was there militias that showed up at Gettysburg?
I heard it was happening.
tim pool
Apparently so.
I've seen articles.
adam crigler
I have yet to see.
I'm sure people have been talking to me about it.
And I'm sure they would have sent me images.
There's people that follow me that live in Gettysburg that told me about that that was going to happen.
I'm positive they would have sent me something if they showed up.
The only militia that I've seen marching down the road is the guys in Georgia.
lydia smith
Yeah, NFAC.
adam crigler
Like, taunting the supposed right-side militias.
Like, bring it on, let's fight.
It's like, what?
tim pool
What do you want?
Hundreds of people showed up.
adam crigler
Okay, so you do have some here.
tim pool
Yeah, in Gettysburg.
Links to it.
Listen, the point is, I agree that right-wing militia groups will come out if they think the election's being stolen, but what will they do?
What they're trying to insinuate is that right-wing militias... I mean, think about what they're saying.
Near civil war in the streets, right-wing militias will come out.
Are they implying that it's the right-wing militias that'll be milling about with guns, shooting at people and stuff like that?
Because that has not happened.
What has happened is the far-left, Antifa, Black Lives Matter groups have shot many people.
adam crigler
It's true.
tim pool
Have there been right-wing militias who have engaged in that stuff in recent?
Am I forgetting something?
I know there have been far-right extremists who have carried out lone wolf terror attacks.
lydia smith
You know you'd remember it because you know they would be talking about it non-stop.
adam crigler
Absolutely.
tim pool
Yeah, it would be everywhere.
There would be no escaping that kind of conversation.
adam crigler
Yeah, exactly.
They'd be like, that's proof that they want that to happen.
They can't wait.
They would love that.
They'd be like, Oh, ice cream.
tim pool
Let's spread it out.
I think it's correct that there would be near civil war in the streets.
And I've explained this to some of my friends that I'm like, listen, man, you've never faced down the mob the way I or many others have.
There's no reason.
Like, there's no reasoning.
You can't argue with them.
adam crigler
That's true.
tim pool
So a good example is when Luke Rudkowski of We Are Change was in Hamburg for the G20.
And he was walking with a local journalist, this guy Max, and someone yelled Nazi Schweinhund.
And then random people heard it and started punching him.
And pushing him down.
adam crigler
And they chased him down for a while.
tim pool
And then the police rescued him.
Luke's like, Luke's a right, like I think he's an anarchist.
A right wing, like an anarcho-capitalist.
So he actually, I'm pretty sure he hangs out with like right and left wing anarcho-types.
adam crigler
Yeah, he's not even a wing.
He's like another.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
tim pool
Well, he's an cap.
adam crigler
He broke off of the winged animal.
tim pool
But he's always been like that.
adam crigler
No, it's true.
No, he stands apart.
tim pool
My understanding is that the people he hangs out with, a lot of them are like, I don't want to say Antifa,
but close without the violence.
Because true anarchists don't believe in it.
So he gets pointed out and he gets physically attacked.
That's what I tell my friends.
I'm like, when the chaos starts, no one knows if you're on their side.
But, if you're wearing very, like, obvious militia-type gear or, you know, a right-wing-looking thing or American flag, you know where you can stand to be safe.
I've been in situations where the mob is active.
And, you know, one example is, I think it was... I think it may have been, like, June 5th.
Could be getting the date wrong.
In 2015 or 16.
Man, I can't remember.
But it was in San Jose, you can Google this, and there was a mob of people running around outside of a Trump rally beating people.
One guy, who was with the crowd, got beaten too.
And he was like, why did everybody start hitting me?
adam crigler
And I'm like... Because it's a mob?
You can't control a mob?
tim pool
Yeah.
So, I've been talking to some of my more lefty friends, and I'm like, listen, I'm telling you, I know you.
When this happens, I know which side you'll be on, and you're not going to be on the side of the left-wingers.
You're not.
You think you might be, but you won't be.
You might be running around with them, but the moment it gets crazy, you'll be standing behind the right-wing militias in minutes.
Because, like, watch some of these videos, man.
These people just start getting reckless and destroying things.
They fight each other.
There was a video out of Portland a couple days ago that Andy Ngo tweeted about where he's like, in the absence of police, they fight themselves.
And it happens because some people are like, hey, don't burn this building down.
And the other side's like, F you.
And then they start fighting.
adam crigler
I mean, look at New York right now.
Look at Chicago.
There's been so many deaths, so many shootings.
It's crazy.
It's already a war zone.
And then look at what happened in Atlanta.
That family was just turning around.
They went past the barricade, turned around, and the Black Lives Matter movement shot at them because they were in their zone and killed the eight-year-old.
tim pool
Eight-year-old girl is not safe.
You will not be safe, but I'll tell you what.
I've been to events where there have been right-wing militias, like the Oath Keepers and the Three Percenters, and they're the most disciplined people there.
And to be fair, too, I have been to events where there have been, like, communist, socialist armed factions.
They're also the most disciplined on the ground.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
And I think it has something to do with the respect for the firearm.
adam crigler
It's true.
tim pool
So, like, I've actually seen, like, armed communist people, and they're very, like, we don't want any violence, man, because you do not want to go there.
But then you have these young people who are just violent and angry.
So, you know, typically, I think one of the funnier stories is that when I was in Ferguson, the Oath Keepers were there, and a bunch of these Black Lives Matter activists were yelling at them, like, what are you doing?
And then they were like, we're here to make sure everyone stays safe.
And they're like, the only problem we have is the police.
And they're like, we know.
That's why we want to make sure everyone stays safe.
And they're like, wait, what?
And the Oath Keepers were like, we swore an oath to the Constitution.
We don't like police brutality.
We want to make sure everybody stays safe.
And they were like, oh.
Like, they see in the media what these people are, and yeah, they may be right-wing conservative traditionalists, but they're, like, anti-violence.
They're like, everybody keep calm, stay cool, and they're gonna make sure, you know, so... Peaceful protests.
When I see... I was actually at an event in Boston, and there were three percenters.
I don't know a whole lot about what that represents.
adam crigler
Same.
tim pool
But they were stopping the right from engaging with the left.
So when the left was, like, trying to antagonize, it was the three percenters who were, like, yelling at the right, being like, knock back off!
Back off!
lydia smith
Keeping the peace.
tim pool
Yeah, keeping the peace and making sure, and none of them were armed.
You know, but they were, they were, like, if they weren't there, it would have been, I think everybody would just clash, start fighting.
The cops were there too.
But there were a few people who walked over to their group, and it was the three percenters who pushed the right side back, saying, don't engage with them.
And it's all, it also has to do, in my opinion, with, like, Optics?
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
As soon as the right side throws one punch, every camera, boom, that's a front page of every newspaper.
adam crigler
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
Yeah.
adam crigler
They don't care if it's the left that's throwing punches.
tim pool
So here's what CNN writes.
June 11th, here's the real danger if Donald Trump loses the 2020 election.
unidentified
I'm good.
tim pool
Let's look on your face.
adam crigler
I can't wait.
tim pool
Yeah, the first paragraph is the only thing I'm really concerned about.
Joe Biden said Wednesday night that he believes if President Donald Trump loses the election
and refuses to leave the White House, many of the former generals who used to work for
him quote, will escort him from the White House with great dispatch.
adam crigler
Cool.
Something Joe Biden believes.
tim pool
Great news.
adam crigler
Great news.
tim pool
So Biden's giving you this like, dude, these people live in an action movie.
It's just not real life.
lydia smith
It's very exciting.
adam crigler
It's a movie.
tim pool
Yeah.
adam crigler
So they're saying that they've glorified movies and we've turned our heroes into fake characters.
How old is he?
And that's what real life is to them.
Their reality is based on movies and books.
There's always a bad guy.
There always has to be a bad guy.
Right now it's like, well, they've presented Donald Trump was like on a silver platter
for them.
Like, oh, perfect.
We have the perfect bad guy.
tim pool
He's going to.
How old is he?
adam crigler
He's about to be 80.
Like Biden?
tim pool
No, no, no.
adam crigler
Trump.
tim pool
73.
Isn't he?
adam crigler
74.
tim pool
74.
Oh, man, I'm way off.
Biden's about to be 80.
Biden's 78.
Anyway.
All right.
I'm going to say this.
Biden is an old man.
He's not going to like rip his shirt off and then go like Jean Claude Van Damme fighting
the generals like.
What do you think is going to happen?
adam crigler
He's going to mobilize the army in front of the White House and fight American citizens?
The generals?
No!
There's a reason he didn't send people into Seattle.
The optics that we were just talking about, that's terrible.
That's what the Democrats wanted him to do.
tim pool
They wanted him to be a dictator, but he's not.
adam crigler
Exactly, he's not.
tim pool
So they keep acting like Trump is...
A fascist, and he's barely using his power!
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
So it's like, they think, you know, it's gonna be November 4th, like 3 in the morning, the results have come in, Trump loses narrowly, and then he's gonna be in the Oval Office, and his loyalists are gonna be like, it's the generals, they're outside to remove you, what do we do?
And then he rips his shirt off, and he's got like dual holsters, and you're like, we're not going anywhere!
And he's like, what are the things gonna happen?
adam crigler
He's probably that.
Probably exactly that, Tim.
I am not joking.
tim pool
Alex Jones comes out of the roof.
I'm with you right now, Mr. President.
adam crigler
He comes out of a cabinet.
Like, what?
Alex Jones, you've been there the whole time?
tim pool
Yes.
adam crigler
Takes off the tinfoil hat.
tim pool
I'm ready for the information.
unidentified
No, no, no.
tim pool
He puts a tinfoil hat on.
adam crigler
Oh yeah.
Protection.
tim pool
He's about to engage in a battle and then the generals come in with their mind control device and they're like cranking the wheel but Alex Jones is like, ha ha ha ha.
You know, they can't stop him.
adam crigler
This just makes me think.
I can't wait.
I am seriously looking forward to the debate.
tim pool
A day later.
adam crigler
The debate between Trump and Biden, man, oof.
tim pool
But wait, wait, hold on to that.
adam crigler
I can't wait.
All right, I will.
tim pool
A day after that article comes out, well, hold on, I gotta show you a little bit more, right?
They say the comments which Biden made in an interview with Trevor Noah on The Daily Show are not the first time that the former president and presumptive nominee, well, he's the nominee, has suggested that he believes the incumbent may well seek to fiddle with the results.
unidentified
Quote, mark my words, Mark my words, fat.
I think he's going to try to kick back the election somehow.
tim pool
Come up with some rationale why it can't be held, Biden said in April.
But the real danger here, blah, blah, blah.
Okay, but a day later, this is what we get.
Trump says he will do other things if he loses the election.
It's so boring.
He doesn't even have a specific noun to represent what he would do.
adam crigler
He's like, dude, are you kidding me?
I have all these businesses that I've been not Working on, like, I'm gonna go build buildings and places.
Like, what?
Put my name on them.
That's what he does.
tim pool
Wait, so let's dip our toes into real life.
adam crigler
Yeah, please.
tim pool
U.S.
President Donald Trump said he will go on to do other things if he loses the November 3rd election after Democratic opponent Joe Biden said the Republican might cheat and refuse to leave the White House.
Quote, certainly if I don't win, I don't win.
I mean, you know, go on and do other things, Trump told Fox News.
adam crigler
I'm just looking at that ballot.
You guys can't see this, but there's a ballot that came to our house.
We've talked about this before.
We couldn't vote today.
Yeah, so there's some stuff going on and I can see that ballot from here.
That's not for anyone that lives here.
tim pool
But none of us got our ballots.
adam crigler
And none of us got ballots.
So that's an issue.
And it's weird that they're painting this picture like Trump is going to cheat.
Trump is the one who's going to cheat.
I'm just like, Why are you saying that so much?
tim pool
But the reality is Trump's response is very boring.
Exactly.
Like, everything about Trump has been so much more boring than they've tried to claim.
adam crigler
And then what's up with this?
I keep seeing this.
Pop up the... yeah.
Oh, wait.
lydia smith
There we go.
adam crigler
So, the presumptive Democratic presidential... Because they haven't had the convention yet.
Come on.
Is he not?
Or is it Hillary?
Just make up your mind, DNC.
They can't say it.
tim pool
They can't say it.
adam crigler
Why not?
What, the middle of August or something?
When the DNC officially declares he's the only one.
tim pool
Because they're going to say Hillary or something.
No, I think it's be Cuomo maybe.
adam crigler
No way.
tim pool
I have to wonder, man, are they really helping Trump win?
I don't believe it.
I think about what people and moderates are saying right now.
They feel like Trump can't win.
They're scared.
They're losing their country.
And then all of a sudden Trump pulls an upset and everyone feels inspired.
I'll tell you what, man.
I've been thinking this since Trump won in the first place, where it's like, actually it's not even on me, there's a conspiracy theory that Trump is part of the deep state.
There's a conspiracy theory, mind you, I'm not saying it's true.
The idea is that you look at these photos of Trump and Hillary together, you look at these photos of like Trump and Epstein together, and so there's a conspiracy theory that Trump is a global billionaire elite, But he was propped up as an outsider, still part of their elite circle, so that he can get all of the anti-government, anti-establishment types normally would be opposed, now cheering for him.
Hold on!
Hold on!
Alex Jones.
This is the funniest thing.
I remember Alex Jones, like, very anti-government.
All of a sudden now, he's very pro-Trump.
Right?
So what do you end up with?
You end up with a lot of these people who are anti-government, now actively supporting the federal government because Trump is in there, is forcing people to engage.
That's the conspiracy theory.
They have used Trump to increase civic engagement.
People were disenfranchised, had no confidence in government, weren't voting.
All of a sudden, now they're voting.
All of a sudden, everybody's involved.
Sports teams are gone.
Everybody's in politics now.
adam crigler
It's true.
tim pool
If people stopped caring about the government and stopped paying attention, they would lose confidence in it and it would just fall apart.
So there are some people who believe what we're seeing right now is meant to make it seem like Trump is the outsider underdog and he wins and it restores people's faith and the ability to save their country.
But you don't think so?
unidentified
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
adam crigler
No, no, no.
There's things about what you just said that I agree with and things that make me smirk and giggle a little bit.
The fact that they would think that he's part of the deep state.
Because, I mean, if you haven't noticed, I've been doing a lot of research and I'm furthering myself.
I know a lot more than I did a few months ago.
And one of those things that I've been researching is Trump.
I want to know about the president.
I'm, like, finding out all these things about him that do not fit that narrative.
Like, that whole deep state thing, it's just... Why not?
I mean, he... I mean, he funded Jesse Jackson's run for president in the 90s.
Did you know that?
Like, I didn't know that.
That's some new information.
tim pool
How does that mean he's not deep state?
adam crigler
Well, I mean, he's a civil rights activist.
Like, he cares about the people that do work.
tim pool
But there are a lot of Democrats that are pro-establishment that are civil rights activists.
adam crigler
Yeah, I don't know.
I guess the argument of him being the deep state, it's like you can say anyone is.
They can say that I am.
Anyone could be, it could be a conspiracy, but I have yet to see any sort of proof of that sort.
All I see is him being A humanitarian, actually, like the things that he's done, you know, before he even ran for office.
tim pool
It reminds me of the South Park episode on the 9-11 truth movement, where the government, the real conspiracy was that the government was trying to convince everyone there's a conspiracy, so that people think they're in control of everything.
And then at the end, Kyle and Stan like realize, and George W. Bush is there, And they're like, wait a minute, you're lying.
There is no conspiracy.
You made the conspiracy up.
And then there's like, he gives an explanation where he's like, we need people to think that we are all powerful.
Otherwise they actually will threaten us.
I mean, come on.
What if we told people that we actually lost control and a group of people in the cave were able to attack us and get away with it?
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
We can't have that.
So we need people to think, you know, like it's a, it's a funny, funny thought.
adam crigler
Well, I always thought that America doesn't negotiate with terrorists.
That's true, right?
You've made it clear.
tim pool
I'm pretty sure, yeah.
adam crigler
And you've explained why.
tim pool
Well, the kidnappers, at least, in, like, you know, foreign countries.
adam crigler
I know, but the statement goes, America does not negotiate with terrorists, period.
And I'm fairly certain every single person in America has just watched these people just terrorize and rip statues down and take over and They fell on bent knee and said, my liege?
Dude, I'm not confident.
I'm not.
everybody you know not certainly not me not you yeah you know I mean it's it's
leaning Democrats to get Democratic side of things but I'm not confident I'm not
tim pool
because the propaganda is is is so thick I agree and it's hard to break through
adam crigler
Oh, I'm seeing it, man.
On Facebook, especially.
tim pool
It's on Facebook, right?
adam crigler
With people that I don't associate with anymore.
I've cut them out of my life.
It's insane.
That they've said to me.
tim pool
What the far left does to get away... It's brilliant.
We talked about this the other day.
The death by a thousand cuts.
I think I actually... I don't know if I have it.
I do.
I do actually have this article.
It's called Creeping Normalcy.
unidentified
Hmm.
tim pool
Creeping normality.
Sorry.
And it's the psychological idea of death by a thousand cuts.
A process by which a major change can be accepted as normal and acceptable if it happens slowly through small, often unnoticeable increments of change.
The change could otherwise be regarded as objectionable if it took place in a single step or short period.
adam crigler
So the eBay color.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
Exactly.
adam crigler
The eBay color.
Or the creeping normality.
Yeah.
tim pool
Okay.
Creeping normality.
adam crigler
For those who don't know, eBay changed its colors, and everyone freaked out.
And then they switched it back right away, and then slowly over a year, right?
Over a year?
tim pool
Yeah, they added like one shade of white.
adam crigler
One shade.
tim pool
And no one noticed that a year later, it was the whole website changed color.
adam crigler
Yep.
tim pool
So, this is what the far left has done very effectively.
And it's funny when like, there's a post going around from, oh man, I gotta sidetrack real quick.
There's a dude I know that I worked with, and he was a normal journalist, Regular guy, not overly political, and he was trying to find his path and he found something interesting one day when he responded to Donald Trump on Twitter.
adam crigler
Oh my.
tim pool
He said something kind of not too crazy and he got a ton of followers.
And then he started doing it more and more.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
And then all of a sudden he had 10,000 followers.
And then I started talking to him about it and I was like, bro, I think you should knock this off because these people aren't like real followers.
You're not building a brand.
You're actually becoming a laughingstock of the left and the right.
Like you're going to have no respect from people.
You're going to lose your job.
And he was like, I'm gaining a ton of followers, man.
Like people really like this.
I was like, no, they don't.
adam crigler
Dopamine kicks.
tim pool
Yeah, there are people on the right who started posting edgy memes, then started posting really offensive memes, but found that fringe group that kept cheering for them every time they would post something really, really edgy, and then eventually they were just off the deep end and then banned outright because they went too far.
The same thing happens on the left with, like, becoming a reply guy.
And this person just goes off the deep end, slowly replying more and more, getting more followers, until finally, they have a horrifying nickname, no respect, their career is over, and they're literally just the butt of a joke.
So I forgot what the point I was gonna make is before I got wrapped up on that.
adam crigler
I knew you would.
tim pool
Yeah, because I was like, I gotta mention this part, because the reply guy thing really gets to me.
You won't be able to smash the like button.
adam crigler
That's all.
tim pool
Smash it!
adam crigler
I love you.
tim pool
But that's the career choice for some of these people, man.
Yeah.
What were we talking about before I went off on that tangent?
adam crigler
I don't know.
Biden.
lydia smith
Uh, creeping normality.
tim pool
Creeping normality.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
So I was talking to, the reason I brought this guy up was because there's a meme by him and people share it.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
Because, you know, he's a reply guy.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
And basically I got into a conversation about whether or not there is a far left in this country.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
Of course there is.
The Democratic Socialists of America have over 70,000 members by latest reported numbers.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
These are people who hold their meetings where, have you seen the DSA video?
adam crigler
Which one?
tim pool
The one where they're like, point of personal privilege, uh, hi, my name is Tim, he, him, uh, I just want to point out that the chattering in this room is really triggering, and I am tired of peop- Have you seen that video?
adam crigler
No.
I don't know if I want to.
tim pool
I gotta watch it.
It's so funny because the guy gets up and he goes, point of personal privilege, could please keep the chatter to a minimum.
Guys, please.
And then as soon as he says guys, you see someone get up and then go up to the microphone and go, stop using gendered language!
That's actually what happened.
adam crigler
Oh, wait, wait.
This isn't... I'm sorry, wait.
This wasn't like Saturday Night Live.
tim pool
It's real.
adam crigler
It wasn't parody.
tim pool
It's real.
It went viral.
Everybody made fun of it.
adam crigler
Well, not surprising.
I mean, because it's something SNL would do to make fun of.
tim pool
We got to talk about, you know, the effectiveness of the insidiousness of what the far left has been able to accomplish.
What is far left in terms of the economic scale?
Far left is cooperative.
Far right is competitive.
So the further left you go in terms of cooperative markets, it's communism.
And the further right you go in terms of competitive markets, it's laissez-faire capitalism.
So if you had someone who said, I think we should have a mixed economy.
That's what America is.
We are a mixed economy.
A large portion of our income goes in taxes, but then we have money of our choosing to spend.
And so you have a bit of a command economy, but sort of a free market.
We lean slightly to the right in terms of our market structure.
So what would far left be?
From where we're standing, you could argue that far left relative to here is like if we taxed people at 75% or 80%.
That would be far left.
That's a lot.
If you want to talk about literal the farthest left you can go, it would be overt communism.
adam crigler
Yeah, yeah.
You don't even get paid.
You just do your job and get everyone gets the same amount of food, same amount of whatever.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Well, I love these conversations I've had with people about this stuff.
I actually got into it with the British Socialist Party.
adam crigler
Oh, goodness.
tim pool
And boy, did it not work out well for them, of course.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So, does the far left exist?
Yes.
There is a large group of people, 70,000 plus, not the biggest organization in the world, that advocate for abolishing capitalism outright.
You can't go further left than that.
That's it.
On the economic scale, at least.
adam crigler
Right.
tim pool
On the cultural scale, there is no real far... I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
No, no, no.
On the economic scale, there's no far right.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
There's like, like Luke Rydkowski, I mentioned him earlier.
There you go.
You have a small group of, like, libertarian, like, right-wing libertarian ANCAPs.
But in terms of the major, you know, large factions, not a particularly large group of right-wing full-on laissez-faire capitalists relative to everything else.
So what people call far-right in this country is typically cultural far-right, meaning traditionalist, and typically economically left.
A lot of the people that have been called far-right hold left-wing economic policy views.
So they're basically posting these memes where they say there's no far-left in this country.
And then I say, well certainly the DSA is far left, right?
They propose abolishing profit.
They don't even know what profit means if they're gonna say that.
They're basically trying to get rid of all monetary transactions, abolish capitalism, abolish police, abolish prisons, complete open borders, total globalization stuff.
You can't get further left than these people.
So yes, they literally exist.
And there's a different question as to whether or not the left is more dangerous than the right, but I would say the left is more effective In terms of their long-term strategy, which is psychological manipulation.
adam crigler
Like Ilhan Omar's speech.
Emotional, but subtly mentioning that we need to take down everything.
tim pool
But she did it in a clever way.
So if those are not familiar, Ilhan Omar said that we need to dismantle systems of oppression.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And she said, so long as the economic and political system of this country creates inequality, you know, exists, it'll create inequality and we must dismantle these systems of oppression wherever they exist.
Something like that.
adam crigler
Yeah, basically.
tim pool
So this is the clever, this is a standard clever political tactic where if she came out right now and said, I would like to completely end capitalism and destroy the American government, people would be like, Would you call that creeping normality?
lydia smith
Yes.
That's exactly the point.
I'm just asking the question.
unidentified
No, no, no.
tim pool
She wasn't asking the question.
She said it.
But she made sure to say it in a way where she could have apologists defend her.
adam crigler
That's why I brought it up.
tim pool
She didn't say destroy.
She was saying oppression.
adam crigler
But she also made a point that it was like, it's not just the police systems.
It's politics and economics.
Because she stated that.
And then she continued on saying, it's not just that.
It's all forms of oppression, no matter where they lie.
And it's like, what do you mean by that?
What exactly are you talking about?
tim pool
Well, so here's what worries me a bit.
There's no, as far as I can tell, legit far-right with political power.
It's just not a thing.
They say, oh, but Donald Trump.
I'm like, come on, man.
adam crigler
He's a moderate.
He's in the middle.
tim pool
And the worst things about him you can criticize, but it's not policy.
It's his behavior, his attitude, and stuff like that.
But if we're going to go based on not our personal standards, I defer to Vox.com, Matthew Iglesias, saying Trump was a moderate.
And you look at the New York Times scale and it says the Republicans are center-right, not far-right.
So here's what the left does.
It's very clever.
They have allies in media.
They seed fake news.
They create as many lies as possible to smear and defame you.
And they all keep saying the lie over and over and over again.
It works.
So there are a few people that I'm friends with that I would consider progressive or leftist.
Whenever I try and have a conversation publicly on like a Facebook comment, all of a sudden these far leftists will immediately jam up the entire conversation so everyone leaves.
They make sure no one can talk.
They start saying nonsensical things, name-calling, they screech, they make threats, and then all of a sudden everyone's like, I'm out.
I'm out.
adam crigler
You want to know what I was told today?
I tweeted this out earlier.
Here, let me read it.
I was blown away.
I've referenced this conversation, this thread that I've had.
It all started from me just saying, Happy July 4th to all my fellow Americans.
I know we're not perfect, but 244 years ago we laid the groundwork to fix anything that needs fixing, basically.
To live free.
Yeah, to live free.
and people just started freaking out and attacking me, which led to this one particular person said this to me,
said, Let us lead. Let us tell you what we need without you
having a dissenting opinion or arguing with us. Period.
Just listen to us without speaking for once. Amplify our voices and do what we are telling you we need you to do.
tim pool
Well, that's the super liminal, to quote the Simpsons, right?
I don't know if you guys know the Simpsons reference, but it's that episode where Bart
is in that boy band and they're singing Yvan et Niage, which is join the Navy backwards.
Right, right.
Not a very particularly hidden message.
And then when Lisa finds out, she talks to the band manager, who's actually a recruiter,
who's like, we have three strategies, subliminal, liminal, and super liminal.
And then she's like, super liminal?
And then he opens a window and yells to Lenny and Carl, hey you, join the Navy!
And they're like, okay.
And then like later you see them getting on the bus, like joining the Navy or something like that.
But that, like what they're telling you right there is overt.
They're telling you to your face.
We, like they're telling you we've taken the ground and we can, we can, we can pull the mask off and just tell you outright, you are to be subjugated by us.
You will do as you're told.
adam crigler
It's like, no way.
tim pool
But so how do they, how do they get other people to support them and stand behind their calls to action?
These are the tactics used by the far left to suppress cancel culture, for one.
We will destroy your job.
I actually had a guy threaten to call my employer today, and it was like... I'm not kidding, I'm not kidding.
lydia smith
That's amazing.
adam crigler
Just give him the number.
tim pool
I was like, do you know anything about me?
So listen, I got into a... I had a really great conversation, actually.
with uh so on a facebook post with somebody i know we've had a lot of great conversations
this person's rather progressive and then sometimes we'll take it to like a private
messenger and i'll be like that was a really great point appreciate your time and then we're
like have a nice day so i made a comment about the far left being legit a real threat the things
they've asked for and somebody responded who was extremely out of his mind and so i just ignored it
another guy responded made some really good points about the existence of the far left and the far
right pointing at the democratic party right now and for a long time has never been ideological
okay and the conservatives the republican party has actually been ideological for a long time
meaning that the republican party has conservatives They rally around their ideologies, their view of America, their beliefs.
Traditional.
To an extent, right?
adam crigler
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
But typically it's basically like this idea of America, America first, Trump, Trumpism, they're unified.
The Democrats are a loose coalition of random groups that kind of just agree to vote certain ways if it benefits them.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
And I'm like, that's actually a good point.
If you look at the Hidden Tribes report, you'll see that conservatives are 25% of this country, progressives are 8%.
And then most people who vote Democrat are exhausted majority, they say, or default or uninitiated.
The average person voting Democrat isn't really active or paying attention.
And so what they argued was... That was me.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
adam crigler
That was me.
tim pool
They argued that... I was.
Now that the Democratic Party has found an ideology, it's starting to grow and become more visible.
And I'm like, it didn't completely disagree with the point I was making, but this individual made a good point.
We had a great conversation.
And I was like, wow, that's actually really, really smart.
He showed me data and everything, and I'm like, I completely agree.
There was a really interesting point about the Democratic Party coming from the Civil War and how they've always voted for what was considered to be more progressive, regardless of what progressive meant.
At a certain point, progressive meant eugenics in the early 1900s.
So the Republican Party, based on this graph that was sent to me by a political researcher, this guy was a researcher, Really fascinating.
The Republican Party has always been slightly conservative.
Always.
But the definition of conservative changes.
They've just stayed true to, like, in terms of the relative society, the Democrats fluctuate like crazy, and the Republicans kind of stay where they are.
So even to this day, they are not far right.
They've never been far right.
They've always been fairly, you know, moderate.
And we see that data presented by Pew Research, for instance.
But anyway, this other guy, this other guy, man.
adam crigler
Oh yeah.
tim pool
He's like, you will be first against the wall.
adam crigler
Wow.
tim pool
Wait, wait, you know, wait until it happens, blah, blah, blah.
And then out of nowhere, he's like, and he's like, I, you know, you should be afraid.
And I'm going to call your employers.
I said, I'm going to call the people who employ you.
And I was like, there it is.
This guy doesn't know who I am at all.
adam crigler
Cancel culture.
I'm coming after you, Tim.
Try that with me.
tim pool
Listen, listen.
adam crigler
Try to call my employer, get me canceled.
tim pool
This is the point I'm making about the far left and their tactics.
Cancel culture is real.
They know it's real, and they know they can go to the average person and say, I'm going to call your boss, and they'll get scared.
And they'll be like, no, no, no, no, no, please, please, please, please, please.
adam crigler
And that's why all the polls say Biden's winning.
tim pool
Perhaps.
adam crigler
Because everyone's like, yeah, I'm voting for Biden.
tim pool
I loved it though.
I was like, who employs me?
What are you talking about?
adam crigler
I wish someone would try that with me.
tim pool
You'd call me?
adam crigler
I'd be like, here you go, here's his number.
I wouldn't give out your number.
tim pool
You know what I would do if someone tried cancelling you or Lydia or anybody?
lydia smith
What?
adam crigler
Tell us, please.
tim pool
I insist.
adam crigler
You'd smash the like button?
tim pool
No, no, no.
adam crigler
Here you go.
tim pool
I would respond by saying, sir or madam?
I take these concerns very seriously.
I am shocked, shocked, that those words would come out of Adam's mouth.
And he never told me, I'm gonna give him a raise.
I'm really impressed with what he was saying.
unidentified
Didn't Cassandra get a raise for her paper?
tim pool
Oh yeah.
lydia smith
She did, yeah.
tim pool
So for those that don't know, Cassandra Fairbanks works for Gateway Pundit, but she also has her own paper.
And like, someone threatened to cancel her.
adam crigler
They hit up the paper.
tim pool
Yeah, they hit up the paper.
adam crigler
They were bombarding her paper.
Cancel Cassandra!
tim pool
And then she responded from her corporate account saying, you know, we're shocked and appalled by this.
We're absolutely gonna take action immediately by giving her a raise and a bunch of exclamation points.
But here's the point I'm making, right?
They know, like we mentioned, creeping normality.
The far left knows they can threaten you with violence and you can do anything.
Here's what they do.
They don't say something like, I will hurt you.
What they say is, next time I see you, you should be very worried about the people and what they'll do to you.
They make sure they don't cross the line to making an overt threat.
adam crigler
It's an indirect threat, basically.
tim pool
But they want you to feel threatened.
adam crigler
Right.
tim pool
And actually, this person may have broken the law because of the jurisdiction they're in.
But then they do things like cancel culture.
Hey, I'm also going to call your boss.
What am I supposed to say to that, even if I had a job?
Let's say I worked at McDonald's.
Am I going to be like, oh no!
I'm so sorry, I agree with you now.
I will delete my posts.
Like, what do they think is gonna happen?
But it shows they really do view this low-tier terrorism as an effective tool.
It's death by a thousand cuts.
adam crigler
Yeah, cancel culture.
It's their new machine gun.
tim pool
We are at a point now where they know you can't call their boss because they won't do anything.
Like, the easiest example.
You got a video of a dude walking with a six-year-old daughter in New York City.
adam crigler
Terrible video.
tim pool
Shot.
Killed.
No riots, no protests, no brand message, no flags, no Facebook, nothing.
Because if it doesn't fit their institutional control, it doesn't matter.
adam crigler
Yeah, that really pisses me off.
That video tears me apart.
It tore me up watching that video.
tim pool
Yeah, it's messed up.
So here's what happens.
If you are not in league with their ideology, and you, if I were to call this guy's boss and say he's threatening me, they're going to be like, I don't care.
adam crigler
You know, I told someone about that.
I was making these, I was having a private conversation with somebody from this thread, you know, who is a closer friend of mine.
Talking about these things that are happening.
And he didn't believe it.
Well, where did you get your information from?
I saw the video with my own eyes.
Oh, on YouTube?
You saw it on YouTube?
Well, YouTube isn't a credible source.
It's more of a social media platform.
I was like, are you kidding me?
Like, I saw the video.
I watched the girl run away.
Yeah.
Like, how is that not something that actually happened?
How?
Explain to me why you're not in outrage right now.
Because they want... Change can happen.
tim pool
They want to hear from some woke journalist that it happened.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Then they'll believe it.
adam crigler
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
Well, so here's what happens.
If I call this guy's boss and say, he's threatening me, they're gonna be like, I'm sorry about that, but what do you want us to do about it?
If he calls, you know, like a theater worker's boss, for instance, and says, they were, you know, saying all these things, you know, the theater's gonna be like, we're so sorry, we'll fire them immediately.
Because people know what you're allowed to criticize and what you're not allowed to criticize.
Case in point, let me see if I have this tweet right here.
Ladies and gentlemen, it is now legal for you to paint a political message that supports Black Lives Matter, and if you paint over it, that is a hate crime.
We now have this breaking story from KCBS 106.9.
The Martinez couple caught on video painting over the approved Black Lives Matter mural are being charged with a hate crime.
That's from the Contra Costa County District Attorney's Office.
Yep, hate crime.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
It is a hate crime.
So here's my concern.
First, the mural was approved by the city.
lydia smith
Yep.
tim pool
Why is the city approving people's right to paint on the streets?
adam crigler
Yeah, I don't understand it.
What pisses me off is, we talked about this yesterday after the show, you can burn an American flag legally, but if you burn a rainbow flag, it's a hate crime.
tim pool
Yes, it is.
adam crigler
How is burning an American flag not a hate crime?
You are basically saying you hate America.
tim pool
That's not what hate crime means.
adam crigler
Oh, minorities, right?
Is that what it is?
tim pool
Protected classes.
adam crigler
Protected classes.
tim pool
So if you burn an American flag, they will cheer for you and say, free speech.
And if you burn a rainbow flag, they will say, hate speech.
It's a hate crime.
So that's actually, because the argument is that by burning the rainbow flag, you're intimidating a protected class.
So there is a difference, though.
I want to make sure I'm clear.
In the specific case where this came up, it was because the guy burned the rainbow flag and then threw it in front of a gay bar, I think.
adam crigler
Oh, OK.
tim pool
And so they argued that that was, you know, intimidation.
However, the argument is that people routinely burn flags at public events for people who support America, and it's not.
adam crigler
So there's got to be... Yeah, well, what's a bigger platform than the Internet now?
That is the largest platform that we have access to.
Everyone has access to it.
So it's much bigger than one bar.
It reaches everybody.
Anyone can share it and it can reach anyone.
So what's the difference?
It's a hate crime.
tim pool
The burning of the American flag?
adam crigler
All of them.
Either make it all illegal or none of it.
tim pool
National origin is a protected class.
lydia smith
Oh, like American.
adam crigler
So then it is a hate crime.
tim pool
So if you're burning the American flag specifically to make a point to intimidate or shock people from America, which I'd argue makes sense, I'm pretty sure national origin is protected.
You want to look that up?
adam crigler
It should either all be legal or all be illegal.
I'm sick of this hypocrisy.
It's ridiculous.
tim pool
That's liberalism.
The true definition, not the colloquial.
I really hate when people call the left liberals.
They are not liberals.
They have not been liberals.
adam crigler
I don't think they know the true meaning of liberal.
liberal.
Enlighten us, Tim.
tim pool
Well, liberal is a wide encompassing view that basically means government by the consent,
you know, through the consent of the governed.
Which means that the true definition of the word, it's why you hear people say they're
classical liberals.
So this is a reference to like the early American Revolution.
Conservatives, so the United States is what's called a liberal democracy.
It's not a reference to being leftist or being a democracy.
It's a reference to the institutions we use, democratic voting process, and liberalism in the sense that we give our consent to be governed.
To varying degrees.
I know a lot of people are like, I don't agree with taxes, it's theft.
But we were born here in a system that was already created, so we can have that argument.
Typically, you know, Western countries are called liberal democracies.
The left is anti-liberal.
They are illiberal.
Okay, illiberal meaning they don't believe in free speech.
They don't believe in individual freedoms.
They don't believe that the consent of the government is required for the government to tell them what to do.
adam crigler
Well, you can speak free if you believe exactly the way they do.
tim pool
So this is actually, listen, the liberalism thing is all, it all makes sense.
These are people who believe that the world will end because of climate change, because individuals refuse to adhere to the way they see the world.
So if, you know, you got that aluminum can right there.
Well, why don't you use recyclable bamboo cans or whatever or something?
adam crigler
Actually, those metal cans are very, very recyclable.
tim pool
Oh, but the recycling process produces a ton of CO2.
If you used bamboo, it could be biodegradable.
adam crigler
I'm sure all of their computers that they're tweeting on are even more detrimental.
tim pool
Excuse me!
I'm more effective this way!
How dare you, bigot!
I'm allowed to do these things and you're not.
That's illiberalism.
Rules for thee, but not for me.
adam crigler
I'm seeing it everywhere.
tim pool
So these people are like, they really think this way.
I should be able to use computers because I'm fighting to save the world.
And if only these other people stopped, the world would be saved.
So they want to be the kings.
So they can force you to live in a bamboo hut with a loincloth and no technology.
They'll have the technology to make sure everyone lives properly the way they see fit.
adam crigler
Yeah, that's ridiculous.
tim pool
But that's literally what the far left advocates for.
It is the opposite of liberal.
So right now you have... I think, you know, I think it's funny whenever you see people arguing about what is or isn't the factions of the culture war.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
And it really is just... I love it.
I really do love it.
First of all, One of the first things I heard is, I think it was Milo Yiannopoulos who said this, it's authoritarianism versus libertarianism.
You have the authoritarian factions who want to tell you how to live your life, and then you have the libertarian factions who want to respect individuality and stuff like that.
I think that makes a lot of sense.
adam crigler
I do too.
tim pool
But then I've heard people say, no, that's not true, it's the nationalists versus the globalists.
And I'm like, I actually don't agree with that because I'm not like an overt nationalist in that sense, but maybe that makes sense a little bit.
adam crigler
I mean, everyone, everyone's different.
This is the issue.
Everyone wants to put everyone on this, like, in each thing.
unidentified
No, no, no.
adam crigler
I mean, everyone can be different.
Everyone can have a little bit of aspects of everything.
It's like, it's, it's whether you're, you're letting your emotions control it or, you know, the logical side of it control it.
tim pool
Someone else's definition of what the factions of the culture war is.
adam crigler
Yeah, absolutely right.
And there's different versions of that for every single person.
We are all different.
tim pool
Then when you listen to the academic intellectual dark web types, they say, the culture wars between groups with a postmodern worldview of subjective truth versus those who believe in objective reality.
And I'm like, these are all kind of true.
But it's like, maybe that's just not like one faction and one faction.
Maybe it's like an umbrella and an umbrella and there's agreements.
Cause like, I don't base my identity around nationalism.
I do love America, but I don't walk around thinking like, oh no, they're threatening to dissolve our borders and stuff.
My thing is more about individual freedoms, respect, whether it's in this country or anyone else's.
You know, the cancel culture extends to the UK.
I have friends in the UK who are subjected to this stuff.
But then there are people whose identity is purely based on nationalism and protecting America, and so we might find that we agree on many issues because of what America stands for, and then their view is like, here's what cancel culture really is.
Ultimately, what I think cancel culture comes down to is, Whether or not you believe in... I believe authoritarian versus libertarian is the best way to view it.
I really do.
Because, you know, you end up with, like, Dave Rubin, a gay married man, classical liberal, having a sit-down conversation with Ben Shapiro, an orthodox Jew, where Ben straight up says, I don't agree with, you know, how you live your life, and their friends having a conversation in complete disagreement.
And that's what, you know, you can see two people who clearly are of different factions in agreement about what's more important to them, living peacefully together, versus what the other side is trying to do to them, you know?
So it's really interesting when you look at, there was a graph charting Clinton voters and Trump voters.
Trump voters were ideologically across the spectrum, except for social justice, like intersectionalism.
adam crigler
Of course.
tim pool
Clinton voters were clustered almost entirely.
And so among Trump's base, you had half conservative, half liberal on economic policy and cultural policy.
When it came to Hillary Clinton, it was like a huge far-left cluster of intersectionality and racial justice stuff.
adam crigler
What a surprise.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah.
So I think that makes sense.
Trump won with a weird coalition they did not expect he could pull off.
adam crigler
Oh man, I saw a video today of all the pundits talking about how it was a joke.
He's a clown.
Can't believe he's running.
unidentified
Kanye?
adam crigler
No, no, no.
Trump.
This was like 2015.
Oh man, it's hilarious.
tim pool
One of the most classic clips.
Is when Ann Coulter was on Bill Maher.
adam crigler
Yes, exactly.
tim pool
I saw that.
Of the Republicans running now, who do you think has a chance to win?
And she goes, of them now?
Donald Trump.
And then everyone laughs.
adam crigler
And she held her ground, though.
She was like, I'm serious.
I was like, man, she called it.
Everybody.
tim pool
But pay attention to what she's saying, because she has not been too kind to Trump.
adam crigler
No?
tim pool
No way.
She's been tearing into him.
So I have to wonder about some of these higher profile people who may be in on the know and maybe seeing some, some, you know, inner dialogue, like, you know, inner circle dialogues.
What do they really know?
Maybe Trump isn't going to win.
Listen man, in 2016, I was like, there's no way they would let Trump win.
adam crigler
Well, I didn't vote in 2016.
A lot of people are telling me they didn't vote.
Ever.
They didn't vote for many years.
Doesn't matter.
I'm hearing it all the time.
Thanks for standing up.
Thanks for saying that.
I've never voted, but I'm absolutely voting.
I'm absolutely paying attention.
tim pool
I hear you.
adam crigler
You're right, though.
It forced everyone to be political, to be into this.
And I mean, everyone's seeing the crazy hypocrisy that's happening from COVID to the... That's true.
You're not allowed to go to churches.
They're canceling church?
Like, really?
You can't go to church.
You can't sing.
I'm not very religious, but man, this is a free country, and you should be able to go worship whoever you want to worship.
So the hypocrisy is driving me crazy, and I know it's driving a lot of others crazy.
tim pool
Well, all that may be, Adam, but the one thing you're forgetting is, will they cheat?
adam crigler
An election?
unidentified
Yep.
adam crigler
Well, I mean, every single time I look over that ballot right there and then I think about how Biden's making it a big deal that Trump's gonna cheat, Trump's gonna cheat.
Trump's like, no, no, I'm gonna, I'll leave.
Like, no, I'm good.
If I lose, I lose.
tim pool
And what if they cheat?
adam crigler
How would we know?
That's my question.
tim pool
I'll tell you.
Today is election day.
So, I got a primary ballot application.
Mail-in ballot application.
I received no notice for what it was for.
I had no idea why I received it.
There was no notice in the mail saying, here's a big explanation of what's happening, why it's happening, and here's what you need to do.
So one day, I see we have mail.
What is it?
An official mail-in ballot sitting right there, for someone who does not live here, who didn't request one.
I get an application.
I do live here.
Today's election day.
I didn't vote.
You know why?
I had no idea where to go, and I couldn't figure it out.
adam crigler
Really?
tim pool
Well, first of all, I have very little time throughout the day.
You know, I have a window of, like, two hours after my first session, then we start preparing for this show.
So once I finished, I went to the website, where they were like, here's all the information you need.
Nothing was there.
Then someone said, it's all mail-in voting.
There's no ballot boxes anymore.
That leads me to believe we won't, it's possible, we won't see record voter turnout.
We'll see record low voter turnout.
How many people are like, I have no idea how to do this?
Look, man, when I voted before, they're like, I wake up and they'd be like, it's voting day.
And then I would make a phone call or go online and be like, here's your voting location.
I walk in, there's the sign, I walk up, now I can vote.
Today, I have no idea what's going on.
adam crigler
It should be a holiday.
tim pool
Well, you can make that argument, but the point is, I don't know where to go.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
The website was down.
The website didn't work.
And so I was like, I don't know what I'm supposed to do.
Not like I care to vote anyway.
I guess vote in the Democratic primary.
adam crigler
Yeah.
Wait, wait, give me that button right now.
tim pool
Which one?
adam crigler
I need to hit that button.
tim pool
We have a special surprise for this right now, but you've got to hold it up to the microphone.
adam crigler
I will.
Oh, I will.
Can I get my zoom in shot?
lydia smith
Uh, uh, Tim has to do that one.
tim pool
Oh yeah, yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
All right.
You guys ready for this?
Someone sent us that.
Do it again.
adam crigler
How dare I what?
tim pool
Not vote?
So we, we, we actually, we actually need to get the sound bar with, with like the good, but somebody did this recording where you press it.
adam crigler
It's pretty good.
Whoever sent that to us, thank you.
lydia smith
That's amazing.
adam crigler
Thank you very much.
tim pool
It is a Greta Thunberg How Dare You button.
We gotta get the soundboard going.
What are we doing?
adam crigler
Well, we have priorities.
We're about to move.
We're prepping and moving.
tim pool
I didn't know what I was going to vote for anyway.
It's primary day.
There's a couple people running for the Democratic primary in our district.
I don't really care all that much.
To be honest, I was like, I would go and vote, you know, at the last minute if I knew what to do.
But considering it was like, I don't know.
So I guess I'm not going to go.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
So my question is, Look, in 2016, I was talking to some personalities, some finance personalities, who told me that they thought, because they were in Europe at the time, based on the media reports, Trump was a clown joke that everyone hated.
And they thought Clinton had it in the bag.
lydia smith
Oh, earthquake.
tim pool
I think you just hit the camera.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, you just totally knocked the camera.
adam crigler
I didn't do that.
lydia smith
It's all good.
adam crigler
That was a cat.
tim pool
Can you?
adam crigler
I'll fix it.
tim pool
So they were they were in Europe at the time.
And they saw all the media reports saying Hillary Clinton was gonna win.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
Then they came back to the United States actually landed.
Go this way left.
A little bit more.
A little more.
adam crigler
There you go.
No, a little less.
tim pool
So, so hold on.
When they got here, it's fine.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
When they got here, they saw the Trump signs everywhere.
And that's when they realized Trump was gonna win.
And then Trump won.
That point, I think, is interesting when you bring up where, when you drive around here, this blue district.
adam crigler
Yep.
tim pool
It's like D plus 13, I think.
adam crigler
Yep.
tim pool
You, you drive around here and you see all the Trump signs.
adam crigler
I never saw a Biden sign, I'll tell you that.
tim pool
Yeah, there's no Biden signs, man.
adam crigler
Oh, I saw Trump signs.
There's Trump signs around the neighborhood.
unidentified
Whoa.
tim pool
I wonder if a Biden sign is a rare collector's item.
It might be worth money already.
lydia smith
Maybe so.
tim pool
Because I've never seen one.
adam crigler
That's funny.
tim pool
Has anybody listening seen a Biden sign?
adam crigler
I'm not kidding.
I'm not joking.
I'm trying to figure it out.
I'm like, no, I don't think so.
tim pool
Somebody planted a Trump flag in the lake by our house.
lydia smith
Did you have my hat?
adam crigler
No, it's true.
tim pool
And it's not a real lake you can actually go on.
It's like a drainage ditch.
adam crigler
Yeah, it's like a bog.
tim pool
Yeah, it's like a bog.
Somebody went out there and planted a Trump flag.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
But the reason I brought up the story for 2016 is that even though there were people that were like, wow, as soon as I saw that, I realized he'd win.
My mentality the whole time was like, they'll never let him win.
I do not view the system as, I don't know, fair.
These people are all super wealthy, do nothing, crony, corrupt.
I view the whole system as broken and corrupt, full of corrupt incumbents.
And then somehow Trump won.
A lot of these old crony, corrupt Republicans have retired or quit.
They're like, I'm out.
Just ditching it.
adam crigler
Plenty of Democrats that have been around for 50 years.
tim pool
Yeah, the system is just being occupied by lazy do-nothings who are just like, it's, you know, the keys to the castle.
adam crigler
No, and they're raking in money from lobbyists and stuff.
tim pool
Listen, man.
adam crigler
Sitting, changing laws for whatever they feel like, basically.
tim pool
Trump wants to pull our troops out of Afghanistan.
adam crigler
Yeah, what's wrong with that?
tim pool
Everybody's resisting it.
Right.
I cannot imagine they would let him win.
Right.
You know?
Whatever that means, I have no idea.
But how could Trump possibly win in the face of a military-industrial complex and crony
politicians that are blocking him from bringing our troops home?
adam crigler
Two words.
Red pill.
tim pool
What do you mean?
adam crigler
Everyone's getting red-pilled.
People are home from COVID.
They're not working.
But the Democrats did that.
They're paying attention.
Exactly my point.
Yes, I know they did.
lydia smith
It's going to backfire?
adam crigler
Everyone's at home going, what are the Democrats doing?
What's going on in these Democrat cities?
tim pool
Why would they do it?
Why?
Yeah, why would they do it?
adam crigler
Because they think that it's, it's like when Bernie lost in 2016, right?
The DNC knew that they took, he took Hillary's voter base away from her, right?
So if Bernie wasn't there, Hillary might've won, right?
It was a higher, much higher chance that she would have won if, if the Bernie supporters just, if Bernie was never a part of the situation, right?
tim pool
I think it's possible.
adam crigler
No, I know.
We talked about it the other day.
Yeah, that's what I'm referencing that conversation.
You know, we talked about that.
tim pool
So, you know, it's... They started pandering to the far left.
adam crigler
Yeah, that's my point.
They started pandering because they wanted that grassroots.
They were like, oh, maybe that is what works.
And you just said, you know, it's a big bubble of SJWs that that's who her voter base was already.
And then Hillary Clinton, right?
tim pool
No, I don't think Hillary's was.
adam crigler
No, that's what you just said earlier.
tim pool
What do you mean?
adam crigler
When you were comparing Trump versus Hillary in the 2016 election, and Trump's supporters were all over the place with their ideologies, whereas Hillary... Oh no, that's the opposite.
unidentified
What?
tim pool
The conservatives have an ideology, the left didn't.
adam crigler
No, no, no, but you were talking specifically about Hillary versus Trump and how all the Trump supporters were kind of all over the place, but Hillary supporters were all in this little bubble.
I'm referencing what you just told me.
tim pool
The Democratic voter base.
20 minutes ago.
So on the graph of economic left and right, Trump's was both liberal and conservative.
adam crigler
Okay, so now moving forward, now we're in 2020, they're going, it's election year, we need to whip up all this grassroots movement Get Black Lives Matter, you know, there's this whole conspiracy about the the act blue funding, you know that that's funding Biden's campaign, you know, it's like all this stuff.
It's like they're leaning in as hard as possible to try to get as many of these youth, you know, you see Pelosi saying we should lower the voting age to 16.
It's like I'm 36.
I didn't know who I was what I was doing politically until yesterday.
tim pool
And 18 is lower?
unidentified
Yeah!
18?
adam crigler
I had no clue!
tim pool
They would capture a lot of votes if they lowered it to 16.
adam crigler
I know, and they know it!
tim pool
Voter turnout among the youth is extremely low, but it's still more votes from the youth bracket if you get two more years.
adam crigler
Right, so that's what I'm seeing.
tim pool
That's ridiculous.
adam crigler
That's what this is all.
It's all them leaning in to try to scoop in as many of these, the SJW group, the The minorities, the people that feel they're homeless, you know?
What do you got, Lydia?
lydia smith
I think this would backfire on them because I was reading a statistic earlier about how high schoolers are the most patriotic demographic.
They don't change until they get into college for some reason.
tim pool
Yes, that's true.
lydia smith
I saw that.
Interesting.
tim pool
Yeah, college is where all of a sudden they get the white nationalist haircuts.
What's up with that?
adam crigler
I don't know.
I don't get it.
tim pool
Why is it that all the women on the left have the same haircut as, like, the far right or whatever?
I don't know if far right makes sense.
I hate using that term because it doesn't really prop, like, you know, I don't know, whatever.
lydia smith
They shave their heads.
tim pool
They pull the hair up and then shave the side.
lydia smith
I don't know.
adam crigler
and it's like maybe it's because because it's it's a masculine look they want you know we we've talked about sex versus like male versus female a couple times you know how like when you're younger a female is more has more opportunities and then it goes down as you go and then the man it's different so as they get older they see older men are more are more privileged in a sense, you know, more they get
more so it's not surprising to know that as they get older They're like, well, I want a piece of that
I'm losing I'm losing what I had and now I'm getting older and I'm losing some of that aspect of youth
That I mean not even yet But you know
You can kind of see how it it would play a part that they want to be a little bit
Masculine in a sense what makes them so angry, you know of course, I'm not going to do that.
Well, because most parents probably don't teach them that life sucks, and you have to work hard.
tim pool
But life doesn't suck.
adam crigler
Snowplow parents!
Yes, it does.
If you aren't prepared for it, if you think you're entitled to everything, it sucks.
But if you know you gotta work for it, if you gotta get out into life and actually do work, wake up every day and actually work towards something, Then it's not that hard because it's something you're used to.
But when your parents are like, oh no, we got this.
Let me clear all of the problems away from you.
Life is amazing.
Of course it sucks then.
tim pool
But no, no.
Whether or not you are happy or sad has nothing to do with your abilities.
It has to do with whether you're optimistic or pessimistic.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
These people have become the ultimate pessimists.
adam crigler
Well, yeah, of course.
Because they grew up thinking that it was going to be easy for them.
tim pool
No, no, no, no, no.
Everything's evil.
Everyone's racist.
The world is pure evil.
America is a Nazi empire.
They view everything through the lens of pure evil and darkness.
And so they're extremely just angry.
But it doesn't explain where the anger comes from.
Why are they so angry?
adam crigler
It's an addiction.
They're addicted to that anger.
It's like an avalanche with a snowball that's slowly growing and growing of anger in colleges and whatever.
And it's running over the people that are getting to college.
tim pool
They want to be angry.
adam crigler
They want to be angry.
And they're like, oh, I can jump into this snowball that's just getting bigger and bigger with the people that are angry also.
And so they're spreading that message.
Come be angry with us.
Let's go be angry together at the system that is trying to bring us down.
Well, you don't even want to work for it.
You just want to be angry.
Let go of the anger and do some work.
tim pool
That's that comic where the guy's like, I'm mad.
The guy's like, here's a solution.
I don't want a solution.
I want to be angry.
adam crigler
Exactly.
tim pool
They do want to be angry.
adam crigler
I know.
That's what I see.
tim pool
You know, I was told this when I was a kid.
Some people, they like being unhappy.
adam crigler
Definitely.
tim pool
They like it.
And when I was little, I didn't quite understand.
It seems like, to a child's mind, paradoxical.
How could you like not liking something?
No, no, no.
You have to understand the complexities.
That negative feeling, when they wake up and they wallow in self-pity, it's satisfying to them in some capacity.
adam crigler
Well, and, you know, when you come across the first person that sees that and goes, oh, let me help you.
Let me be there for you.
It feels so good.
tim pool
No, I disagree.
adam crigler
How?
How does that not make sense?
tim pool
When you try engaging with these people who are screaming, they don't respond by being happy.
adam crigler
You're not engaging to these people like that, sir.
No, no, no.
I'm talking about that snowball.
That snowball that's rolling down.
They're the ones that are going to the people that are victims in their own perception.
tim pool
When I have these interviews and conversations out on the street, when I... You are not that person.
Yes, you seriously do not understand the past 10 years of my life.
When I would go down to these parks, when I was in Occupy Wall Street, And someone would start ranting about oppression and stuff, and I would be like, I hear you, man.
I'm so sorry that happens to you.
They respond with more anger.
More anger.
Straight up.
I was talking to one very high-profile Black Lives Matter person, who was doing this big rant.
Someone tagged me in it for some reason, because it was something I covered.
And I responded by saying directly to the guy, I hear you, man.
I'm sorry about those experiences.
Tell me what's going on.
And his response was to condemn me Just go angrier times ten
I have been on the ground where I've interviewed people where they're like really really angry
And I'm like would you like to tell me like what's going on no no no cuz you're part of the problems
Screaming.
And I'll be like, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I had no idea.
No, don't tell me you're sorry!
You're not sorry!
They get angrier and angrier!
adam crigler
Okay, that doesn't prove me wrong.
That's you.
tim pool
Personally you.
adam crigler
I'm talking about as a whole.
I'm talking about the average.
tim pool
They do not feel satisfaction when you calmly talk to them and be nice to them.
They'll feel satisfaction when you cry and cower in fear and say, please don't take my job from me!
Then they're satisfied.
adam crigler
But you aren't a victim.
You don't walk around as a victim.
It takes a victim to go, oh, I'm a victim too, I understand.
That's not where you come.
Dude, you're confident.
I'm sorry, you cannot hide your confidence ever, no matter what.
Same as me, I can't hide that.
I'm a confident person.
Hold on, no, no.
You're a confident person.
You walk up to that person and you say, man, I feel you.
They see that confidence.
They don't see you as a victim.
And they go, you know what?
That's a lie.
I don't believe you at all.
tim pool
That's the point.
adam crigler
The point is... Exactly what my point is.
tim pool
Yes, thank you.
You said that when these people are screaming and then you finally come up to them and give them, you know, what they're looking for.
adam crigler
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
I didn't say necessarily you.
I wasn't saying it like that.
tim pool
You're talking about this behavior of trying to accommodate them or empathize does not result in what you're saying it results in.
adam crigler
Yeah, because it's the victims.
It's the ones that group together.
They're the ones that are like, I feel you because I'm a victim for sure.
I'm totally a victim.
tim pool
I'm vulnerable.
That's not what happens.
The only way to actively function in the circle with these people not screaming is to say literally nothing or to cry.
adam crigler
You can't start this conversation by saying, I don't understand how this happens, and then finish it by going, that's wrong, that's not the way it is.
I'm sorry, no.
tim pool
But I'm right.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
I've been on the ground.
adam crigler
Agree to disagree.
tim pool
I've covered this for over a decade.
Okay.
You're sitting here telling me.
adam crigler
I'm not telling you anything.
I'm telling you what my view of what this is.
You said, I don't understand this.
I said, this is what I think it is.
Right.
Okay.
tim pool
Period.
So right now, you're being the anti-vaxxer.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
I've got experience on the ground.
I was embedded with these groups for years.
adam crigler
Sure.
tim pool
And I'll tell you exactly what happens, why it happens, what they've said to me, explain these things, and everything I've seen over the past nine years.
adam crigler
And your confidence is undeniable, man.
tim pool
And I'm not even talking about myself.
I'm talking about, in general, when you're at a protest, and you see a woman walk up to another woman who's screaming, and she's like, are you okay?
And the woman goes, get the F away from me, you Okay.
and screams in her face. When you see two women who are fighting each other in a park,
when Antifa fights themselves, when they try to cancel each other, the only thing that works
around these people is saying and doing nothing. When they start screaming and ranting and they're
full of rage, people just stand there and nod. And that's it. There's nothing you can say to
them. They don't want a solution. They want to be angry.
adam crigler
But this is in Occupy.
I'm not talking specifically about Occupy.
We're talking about colleges, right?
After high school, they get indoctrinated in the college situation, right?
That's what we're discussing.
This is where I was at.
This is what I'm talking about.
So this is what I think is going on.
So you were saying that you went to colleges.
You've seen that in colleges where all this is happening.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
Like when Nick Christakis was talking to the kids on... No, no, no.
adam crigler
I'm talking about you personally.
tim pool
Yes, and I've been to Berkeley, and I've been to Syracuse and a bunch of other universities while this stuff was going down, and I've witnessed this firsthand and experienced it when I tried doing similar things.
And there's a really good example.
In Nick Christakis, the professor, who was accused of being a bigot because he said something about Halloween costumes, and they surrounded him, and no matter what he said to them, even when he said, I'm so sorry, I agree, they said, shut up!
You don't speak!
And they yelled at him no matter what he would do.
And that was a very famous viral moment, and there are many more with professors like him, where you cannot say anything to these people at all.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
And they tell you that.
Or the guy at Evergreen, when he's talking, waving his hands, and they tell you to stop waving your hands, it's racist.
And then he does, and they all laugh at him.
adam crigler
But these are the people that are already in the circle.
They're already indoctrinated.
They're the ones that are already speaking out, that are already angry.
They're the ones that are already in these groups.
That's who you're referring to right now.
tim pool
It's like a group of kids.
adam crigler
But how does it happen?
How do they, how does it, how do they catch the new people?
By the people that are just standing on the side, just shaking their head yes, and then they suddenly snap and turn into it?
tim pool
Well that's the question I'm asking, what makes them so angry?
adam crigler
And that's what I was referring to.
tim pool
What were you saying that makes them angry?
adam crigler
Well, no, no, no.
I was saying what brings them into it.
Yeah, what brings them, what makes them angry is everything pisses them off.
Everything.
They thrive in that anger.
Because, what?
tim pool
Bill de Blasio's daughter.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
Like, you've referenced her before, right?
adam crigler
I mean, only in the fact that she went into college looking one way and exited college looking a complete, like, crazy eyes.
I don't know anything about her.
Who am I to say anything about her?
Because that's the only thing I know about her is that she looks completely different after high school.
And that she's now an activist in New York.
tim pool
It's a meme.
They say college not even once.
adam crigler
I see the meme, yeah.
tim pool
And they show people before college and after college.
What happens to where normal people, and I know people like this, who all of a sudden can't stop and have a conversation because they're dialed to 11 non-stop.
No matter what they do, no matter what you say, everything's at 11.
adam crigler
Have you heard the elephant mind versus the rider mind?
unidentified
No.
adam crigler
I just watched this earlier.
Really good little back and forth interview with Carlin.
And it was great.
And basically what it means is the elephant mind is your emotional side and the rider mind is basically being controlled by the elephant until you finally reign it in and you gain control of your more rational side, the more logical side of the human brain.
And it seems to me that these people are, it's basically like the reins of the elephant per se has been, they've lost, they broke.
They have the reins in their hands, they're holding it really tight but it broke and the elephant is just running rampant.
And there's no stopping it.
It's like a stampede.
That's what I see that's happening.
That anger is run unchecked for so long, bouncing off other people that are equally angry, making it more anger.
And that anger just is getting perpetuated into this hot mess.
And that's what we're seeing.
It's so easy to want to be lazy, to blame others for your problems, People want to do that, especially when we're growing up without parents, you know?
We want to be a part of something.
So you get to college, you're finally out of the home, which might not have even been a good situation.
Boom, they hit, you know, this crowd of people that, I mean, you're pissed off, now you're angry, like, I have to go do work, I have to, like, get up and actually do stuff, like, whatever.
I mean, not everybody, some people just drink their whole college careers, but, you know, others just get angry, so.
tim pool
I think it's specifically no parents.
adam crigler
Yeah, maybe it is.
I mean, the statistics don't lie.
It's absolutely, if you have no parents or a one-parent home, like, I've looked into this now, and you're absolutely right.
tim pool
I mean, like, weak parents.
adam crigler
True.
Parents that aren't even there.
I mean, what's the difference?
You know, if you're not raising your kids, if you hand them an iPad, that's not raising your kids.
That's them learning and doing the algorithm until they get, you know, dancing Hitler, right?
tim pool
Yeah.
adam crigler
It's crazy.
tim pool
It's like somebody flicked a switch in their brains that can't be turned off.
And they're just wads of anger and rage.
You ever seen the video, it's called This Video Will Make You Angry by CGP Grey?
adam crigler
No, I haven't seen it.
tim pool
He basically talks about how internet communities breed hatred.
You know what's funny is because he basically predicted all of this was going to happen, the culture war for instance, and he talks about how Groups don't actually argue against each other.
They argue amongst themselves about the other group.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
And they keep exaggerating the claims until they've become so enraged that they're just wads of anger.
And that, you know, they talk about how video, he talks about video and social media stuff, how it plays into this.
So memes, for instance, circulate among groups about the other group and they never actually interact.
So, I don't know, it's an interesting idea.
But the reason I was bringing this up is because I remember that video of the white woman yelling at the black cop.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
And the guy approaches her and he was like... You know he's a black cop, right?
Or it was a woman, right.
And the guy says, like, what makes you think this is okay?
adam crigler
And the woman's eyes... Oh, man.
Fervent.
She was... How dare... Well, you can always tell, too, because they don't start with a tone of voice like this.
It always is up here.
unidentified
At 11.
tim pool
It's 11.
adam crigler
Always.
Always.
tim pool
It's like they're on math.
adam crigler
Screeching.
You know, you can see the heart is pumping.
The adrenaline is flowing.
They want it.
Oh, you turned on me?
I'm gonna open the floodgates of anger on you.
And it's like, everyone who sees that, who's a rational human being, is like, whoa.
Like, you need to calm down.
We need to figure out how to have a conversation.
tim pool
I mean, I think there are ways to try and defuse people.
One of the challenges, going back to the conversation about the insidious nature of the far left, is that they actively try to stop any attempt by a person to break someone from the cult.
You're in the cult, they act as like defense mechanisms, screeching with rage to shut down any conversation.
But they literally do this.
An example would be, if you walked up to one of these people and you actually started having a conversation, they would run up to you and get in the way and start telling you to shut up and then start chanting.
You can see it, right?
There was a video with Jack Posobiec, conservative, talking to a black man in D.C.
and they immediately rush up and try and stop him from doing it.
I think it was Jack, was it Jack?
That picture?
He's like, I'm trying to have a conversation with my friends here, and they're just like screaming at him, shut up, shut up.
Because they don't want people to actually hear.
They don't want people to come together.
They want to maintain that anger and rage within you.
adam crigler
Well, I certainly see that right now.
It feels like the left-slash-Democrats, they're trying to slam home this division between everyone.
And it's like, I won't have it.
I got these people that are And, you know, it's great.
I'm seeing people stand up.
They're starting to look out for each other.
You know, it's like, no, you're not going to talk to this person like that.
Like, you're the one who's wrong.
You know, it's like, even on my Facebook, this infamous Facebook tweet or, you know, whatever it is.
Facebook post.
Yeah, you know, and it's like, There's people that I've known my whole life that are now writing on this, calling this guy out, you know, for being wrong and explaining calmly.
And I'm like, these are the rational people.
He was an emotional person.
He was not thinking coherently.
He was screeching at me.
He turned it up to 11.
tim pool
There are people on the right who have turned it up to 11.
adam crigler
What's the ratio of people on the left versus the right? 100%.
tim pool
Otherwise, I wouldn't be saying things I do, for the most part.
But it really does bum me out.
I parlayed about this.
Is that the right terminology?
Parlay?
Parlor?
I parlayed.
The Krasensteins are there.
adam crigler
I don't know anything about them.
Who are these guys?
I keep hearing their name.
I don't know.
tim pool
Super anti-Trump.
Really annoying.
They were ubiquitous.
adam crigler
Oh, they're anti-Trump.
tim pool
Oh, super anti-Trump.
adam crigler
Well, why did they get booted off Twitter?
tim pool
Because they were accused of running multiple accounts.
adam crigler
Oh, okay.
tim pool
And they were like, they were everywhere, replying to everybody.
Oh, wow.
And so they joined Parler, and I'm like, excellent, excellent.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Bring on more anti-Trump people, because if what we end up with is a Twitter and a Parler
that have their various biases in terms of banning speech, you'll have two different spaces
where different conversations happen.
adam crigler
True.
tim pool
Better than just Twitter, right?
adam crigler
Agreed.
tim pool
But I look at the comments on this guy's post, and there's a bunch of conservative people cussing him out and telling him to F off and just really nasty things.
And I'm like, why?
Why would you do that?
You know, but I will say, you look at, this is a common trope among the far left, it's called a right-wing love bomb.
They understand, and they hate it, and they refuse to understand why it works.
They'll say like, A regular person will get all of this love from the right, saying, you're so great, you're so smart.
You know, that's really great, thanks for having a conversation.
And it convinces them to become right-wing.
And I'm like, yeah, well, duh!
What do you think?
If I walk into a... Here's how I explain it.
I'm in the middle of the street.
I look to my right, there's a bar with a bunch of MAGA people with Trump hats waving flags, and they're hooting and hollering.
I look to my left, it's a bunch of Antifa people wearing masks with crowbars.
And then I walk over to the left-wing side, And they go, who the F are you, bigot?
What are you talking about?
No, I'm inside.
Everyone's screaming.
I'm going to be like, oh, jeez.
Then I walk across the street and they're like, yo, buddy, come have a beer over with
us.
And then I'll go, well, I mean, I'm not really a Trump fan.
Hey, no problem, man.
Come on in.
I'll get you a beer.
adam crigler
We'll have a conversation.
tim pool
And that's hypothetical, right?
I mean, technically, it's actually.
adam crigler
Well, look, let me tell you.
I'm not a Trump fan.
I am right there, right now.
I'm standing on that street.
I'm seeing these people on the left that I've known for a long time, screeching at me, screaming at me.
You know, that Mark's post that I did on Twitter the other day, or like last week.
It's insane, the amount of people that are freaking out about it on both sides, screeching at each other.
But man, all the rational people that are coming up to me going, yo, props for opening your eyes.
It's like, just that alone, right there.
It doesn't matter what I believe in.
It's like a simple, hey, good for you.
That's really what I'm hearing.
Good for you.
Like, good on you for furthering yourself, opening your eyes.
It's not like, I'm glad you're even here, which I have gotten.
But like, the majority is just like, good job.
Like, I'm proud of you.
Like, good for you, man.
tim pool
Go into a pro-Trump group or forum or post on Facebook or something where you say something like, I'm not a big fan of Trump and I think we need to get him out of office, right?
And the response you typically get, not completely, but typically from conservatives is, you'll get a response where it's like, what's your problem with Trump?
What has he done?
Why do you hate him so much?
adam crigler
Yeah, the questioning.
tim pool
And then when you say something like he's racist, they'll be like, what has he ever done that's racist?
Give me an example.
adam crigler
I love that.
tim pool
Hold on.
adam crigler
Because I know a lot of stuff about him now.
tim pool
Now go to an anti-Trump forum and post, I like Trump, I think I'm going to vote for him.
adam crigler
Oh yeah.
tim pool
And you know it's going to happen.
They'll ban you in two seconds.
adam crigler
That's true.
tim pool
So listen, I'll make sure it's clear.
It's like a two to one ratio.
It exists on the right.
If you go to, say, thedonald.win and you post something negative about Trump, they're going to delete it.
adam crigler
I did go to that site and I joined it.
tim pool
Oh, did you?
adam crigler
Yeah.
I was like, I'm going to see what this is all about.
tim pool
So it's, it's, it is, it is an echo chamber of, of Trump love.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
But, but, but again, the reason I mentioned is because there's also r slash politics on Reddit.
It's supposed to be a neutral political forum.
It is just basically anti-Trump, anti-Trump.
adam crigler
It's the Donald dot lose.
tim pool
If you, if you go, seriously, if you go to r slash politics and post a pro Donald Trump story, erased.
adam crigler
Wow.
tim pool
If you go to r slash news.
adam crigler
Sounds like Facebook.
tim pool
Gone.
This is why it really is a bummer there's no neutral platform for these kind of debates.
You can't post anti-Trump stuff on thedonald.win.
For obvious reasons, it's dedicated to Trump supporters.
adam crigler
It's thedonald.win.
tim pool
R slash politics should be neutral.
You should be able to talk good and bad about Trump.
And then R slash Biden should be pro-Biden and anti-Trump.
Instead, the supposed neutral platform will ban you for saying good things about Trump.
This is the perfect example of what's going on in modern politics.
Typically, I'll just tell you straight up, I have been in tons of far left events and hangouts, and they do not tolerate dissent, and I've been threatened.
I go to an event with a bunch of Trump supporters, and I calmly laid out my discussion about institutional racism.
And they all were like, hmm, I never thought about it that way.
I disagree.
And then we had, you know, like shrimp dip or something.
Eating chips.
And we sat there, and they were all like, yay Trump!
And I was like, well here's how I see these issues of social justice.
And they were like, I don't agree with that though.
And that was it.
I disagree!
And I was like, okay.
adam crigler
Oh, classic.
tim pool
Who's getting the beer?
adam crigler
Classic conversations.
tim pool
Well, it's because when you look... Civil conversations.
This goes back to what I was talking about with the far left, the insidious nature of their tactics.
This is why I'm not entirely confident on Trump winning.
They cheat.
They don't just cheat in terms of like, we're gonna rig the election!
They cheat in terms of discourse.
adam crigler
Yep.
Trump- Trump- Deleting anyone that's- Right.
Trump- That speaks out.
My video, of me just simply going, I don't- I don't like the Democrats anymore.
I'm gonna vote for Trump.
tim pool
Banned.
adam crigler
Boom.
Got banned.
tim pool
2.4 million views, and they went, uh-oh, better delete that.
adam crigler
Yep.
That's spreading way too fast.
tim pool
Donald Trump comes out, and he goes, my fellow Americans, we will build a tremendous garden of heroes.
Frederick Douglass, Harriet Tubman, heroes of the Civil War.
Everybody agrees it'll be tremendous.
And then what happens?
Donald Trump says he's going to build statues of Confederates.
He thinks the Confederates are heroes.
adam crigler
It's crazy.
tim pool
They're lying.
They're making it up.
adam crigler
Latent lying, I know.
It's insane.
tim pool
They will cheat.
adam crigler
They are cheating now.
I 100% agree.
I think they're cheating now.
You're right.
tim pool
So scary.
So look, man, you look at Russiagate and it was, what did we learn about Russiagate?
adam crigler
For those that don't know, it was nothing.
tim pool
There were several high profile people who were going on CNN and MSNBC saying, I have seen the evidence.
It exists.
Trump did this.
adam crigler
Right.
tim pool
And then what were they saying when they testified privately?
I have not seen any events.
I have no idea.
adam crigler
Right.
tim pool
And then it wasn't until this year the evidence actually came out.
They made it all up.
They were cheating the whole time.
adam crigler
Not only they.
I'm sorry.
It's not just they.
Biden did this.
Right.
With Obama.
They both sat together and they plotted this out.
tim pool
We don't know to what extent, but we know they were involved.
adam crigler
We know they were involved.
That's all I need to know.
tim pool
That Joe Biden lied.
adam crigler
That's proof.
There's proof.
tim pool
Joe Biden's been caught in several lies now.
adam crigler
Exactly.
tim pool
Why were they going after Michael Flynn?
And now Michael Flynn has basically been exonerated.
Well, I don't want to say exonerated because the political disparity and perspective, but the charges are gone.
adam crigler
See, these are the kind of things that make me think that there's no way Trump's part of the deep state because they wanted, the deep state was trying to stop him from becoming president.
tim pool
The conspiracy is that it's all part of the show to make you think.
adam crigler
Of course.
tim pool
But I don't believe the conspiracy either.
adam crigler
I don't know.
tim pool
They destroyed Michael Flynn's life.
adam crigler
They did.
tim pool
And they even admitted, this was in part of the notes, that in the conversation with, I think, you might want to fact check me on this one, I'm pretty sure though, In the conversation they had with Obama and Biden, someone said, the FBI notes showed, Michael Flynn's conversation with Kislyak was on the level.
And they were like, we'll go after him anyway.
So, you know, Obama's there.
Biden is there.
Biden did an unmasking request.
It's a really, really complicated story.
That's what's really hard for the American people is to understand what happened with this.
adam crigler
The complex, yeah, the web of what it all is.
tim pool
Long story short, Michael Flynn was a national security advisor.
He had a conversation with a Russian ambassador, I believe, asking not to escalate sanction wars.
Saying, you know, please let us come in and do our thing before there's escalation.
That was it.
The conversation was on the level.
Most people agreed.
In an informal meeting at the White House, with no legal counsel present, Michael Flynn said he didn't talk to Kislyak.
And they went, gotcha.
He just lied to an FBI agent.
And then they claimed that was grounds.
They went to him and said, if you do not plead guilty, we will investigate your son.
And so Michael Flynn said, I'll do whatever you want.
lydia smith
It's a threat.
tim pool
Yep.
lydia smith
Yeah, it was Joe Biden.
They think that Joe Biden actually personally raised the idea of investigating Michael Flynn.
tim pool
He mentioned the Logan Act.
It was Biden who mentioned the Logan Act, right?
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
Long story short, Michael Flynn did nothing wrong, literally nothing wrong.
It was in his official duties, his job, he was an incoming national security advisor having a conversation with another country, and they found an obscure way to force him, and threatening his family, to plead guilty so that they could keep pushing this fake theory of Russian collusion.
They cheated.
They lied.
The whole thing was a scam, and I'm surprised Trump was able to win on that one.
Because they were doing it for years investigating him.
Now, to be fair, Trump made a whole bunch of banana peel moments.
True.
Slipping around and falling.
You know, trying to fire Comey.
Well, we talked to him.
He doesn't have the best tact, but... But he still ended up winning on that one.
And now they're going for the same strategy.
Trump's going to cheat again.
It's like, no, I think you're going to cheat.
adam crigler
Yes.
tim pool
You never accepted the results of 2016.
You hate Trump.
You've been accusing him of scandal for scandal.
adam crigler
Trying to impeach him since he got in office.
tim pool
I think if Trump gets re-elected, we're going to see a perp walk.
We're going to see tons of people.
It's going to be historic.
adam crigler
Lydia's face shows that she agrees.
tim pool
That's why they won't let him win.
They won't by any means necessary prevent him.
adam crigler
That's what I'm saying.
They're firing on all cylinders.
They are firing everything they've got.
They are whipping the emotions of the American public around their fingers.
And I see it.
And it saddens me a lot.
I'm speaking up.
I'm being more vocal than I've ever been in my life.
tim pool
It's crazy, man.
The fact that they're going after Bill Barr is the really interesting thing to me.
Bill Barr was one of the smartest moves Trump has ever made.
Because he was the Attorney General in the 90s.
He was Attorney General, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
In the 90s.
Under, I think, what, H.W.
Bush was it?
lydia smith
I think it was.
I'll double check that.
tim pool
Yeah.
So basically, you pull a guy out of retirement who's got a clean track record serving the
country, bring him back in to do the same thing, and now they're trying to smear him
again but it's not so easy.
Right.
Because it's like, do you mean to tell me he was corrupt in the 90s?
You know, it's like, mmm, boy's working for Trump now and he's defending Trump.
It's like, yeah, maybe.
Or maybe...
adam crigler
You just want Trump to lose?
tim pool
No, maybe there is a group of corrupt crony politicians who have been hiring their buddies and infecting our government with their BS to enrich themselves.
adam crigler
And are losing a lot of money to the cancel of the TPP with China because they have a lot of money invested there.
tim pool
But imagine this.
Could you imagine how crazy it would be if like, say, I don't know.
Somebody working in government had a foundation.
Maybe a secretary of state.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
Had a foundation where they were taking donations from foreign governments while they were running the administration.
Like, that could never happen, right?
lydia smith
Right.
adam crigler
Yeah.
I know that reference.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
Like, what?
lydia smith
Right.
tim pool
So I'm not here to pretend Trump is perfect on anything.
I don't like most of the people who run for office.
But Bill Barr seems like he's on the level.
lydia smith
Yeah, since 89 with H.W.
adam crigler
Yep, simply does.
tim pool
And they didn't have any problems with him back then?
unidentified
Nope.
tim pool
Take a look at Kavanaugh.
Kavanaugh was vetted when he became a federal judge.
All of a sudden they surface 30-year-old allegations against him and run him over the coals calling him evil.
This is a whole new level of insidious, strange, and weird.
adam crigler
It's that anger.
It's that elephant riding around.
They are trying to control everybody with it.
It's sad.
tim pool
What was the name of that guy who... He was a... The Banker Plot?
You know The Banker Plot?
lydia smith
Let me look it up.
tim pool
Yeah, but look up The Banker Plot.
This, my understanding, was a conspiracy in like the early 1900s.
Was it Smedley Butler?
Was that his name?
unidentified
Um, I've, uh, yeah, I'm not sure.
tim pool
It's a film.
lydia smith
Yeah, it's a movie.
tim pool
Something happened.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
Maybe, maybe I'm thinking of a movie, but I'm pretty sure something happened where a bunch of super wealthy individuals were trying to convince like a high ranking military official to overthrow the government and give them control of everything.
We're not able to find it.
lydia smith
Well, it's very race-oriented.
tim pool
Race-oriented?
lydia smith
Yeah, is that what it's about?
tim pool
No, the thing I'm thinking of is like bankers who are like, we want financial control of the government, and they wanted this guy to overthrow it or something.
Maybe people are gonna, you know, comment in the chat with what it is.
You couldn't find it?
Maybe I don't know.
Smedley Butler, some people are saying.
adam crigler
Oh, you missed my headbutt?
I'll do it later.
lydia smith
Hold on, I'm distracted.
Smedley Butler.
adam crigler
I'm having fun with this smash button pillow.
tim pool
He was a Marine, people are saying.
lydia smith
Yeah, he was a Marine.
Most decorated Marine in U.S.
history.
During his 34-year career as a Marine, he participated in military actions in the Philippines, China, and Central America and Caribbean.
tim pool
Did they mention anything about conspiracies or something?
I wonder where I read that.
lydia smith
I'm not sure.
Sounds interesting.
tim pool
The business plot, someone says.
lydia smith
He claimed the existence of a political conspiracy by business leaders to overthrow President Roosevelt.
Okay, we figured it out.
It wasn't the banker plot, it was the business plot.
tim pool
I read too much.
lydia smith
It all runs together.
tim pool
And I'm like, sometimes I'm like, was that in a movie?
adam crigler
Did I make this up?
tim pool
My brain has fractured.
adam crigler
I'm gonna use that against you in the future.
tim pool
No, I'm kidding by the way, I was correct.
That's the point.
I actually knew what I was talking about.
adam crigler
It doesn't matter, you said it.
lydia smith
Yeah, the business plot.
tim pool
going crazy. The business plot.
adam crigler
You're just going crazy.
tim pool
So the reason I bring that up is, you know, look, conspiracies happen.
So for all that we know, you know, the Obamagate stuff, like think about, I know a lot of people
firmly believe it is true, but I firmly believe we need hard evidence before I make any assertions.
But entertain the possibility that Donald Trump, for all of his character defects, and boy howdy are there a lot, is just a guy who wanted to be president to help this country.
adam crigler
I think that, 100%.
tim pool
And wanted to apply his knowledge to economics and foreign trade.
And there is a group of people who have infected our federal government at the highest levels, who've hired their buddies, and are using their power to subvert the American people.
adam crigler
The more I look into Trump, the more I see that to be 100% true.
He wants people to survive.
He wants people to do well.
He appreciates people that work hard.
tim pool
Did I ever tell you the story about the dude I met who Trump gave him a free iPod?
adam crigler
No.
tim pool
So this dude I knew in Chicago said that when they built Trump Tower, he was going there for some reason, like a delivery or something, and as he was walking in, he knew that he could hear people behind him, so he didn't really pay attention, but he walked up to the door and opened it and then stepped aside to let them in.
And then when he did, it was Trump and Trump's people.
And then they all walked past him, and then he was like, whoa, hey, it's Trump.
And then Trump's about 10 feet in front of him.
He walks in, drops the door, and then Trump stops, turns around, and goes, hey, kid, thanks, and throws an iPod.
unidentified
Nice.
tim pool
This was back when iPods were like a big deal.
adam crigler
That's so cool.
That's dope.
tim pool
Yeah, it was like the new iPod.
adam crigler
Like with Trump's music on it, too?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
adam crigler
Dope.
tim pool
And he was like, whoa.
adam crigler
I got the Trump pod!
It's actually gold!
tim pool
I went when when Trump first got elected I went to Trump Tower
Uh-huh, and he's got that restaurant and the ice cream shop and I asked everybody what they thought about him. They
love him Yeah, they all loved him. Yeah, some people would say like
he would come down and just give him $100 bills It's not like I'm gonna give him money. That's not
surprising I asked what I think I asked somebody at the ice cream shop
or the restaurant or whatever and I was like And they're like, he comes down sometimes.
He's really nice to everybody.
And I'm like, do you believe what they say about him?
And they were like, no.
But some people think Trump's playing it up for the media.
Like he's exaggerated his character and his politics to like generate, you know, controversy and buzz.
But the people who worked at the tower, they were like, he's great.
lydia smith
I have heard.
Do you know what I've heard?
tim pool
What have you heard?
lydia smith
I've heard he paid off a bunch of people's like medical bills and student loans and stuff and he does it really quietly.
He's like super under the table but he does it and he never asks for anything for it.
tim pool
I firmly believe that based on all of the negative press That if you were to remove all of the negative press... Actually, just go back in time to 2015.
Trump was, like, considered to be one of the best people in the country.
adam crigler
Yep.
tim pool
Like, he was a good dude, he's a civil rights leader, he's all these really great things.
adam crigler
Yeah, he stood next to Rosa Parks and won an award with her.
tim pool
But as soon as he ran as a Republican, they do what they do best.
adam crigler
Yep.
tim pool
They call everybody who runs as a Republican racist.
adam crigler
That's true.
tim pool
White nationalist, all that evil stuff.
adam crigler
To call him a racist means you know nothing about him.
That's it.
From what I've learned about him, it's amazing.
The amount of stuff that he's done for the minorities in this country blows me away.
The more I research into him, the more I really like him a lot.
That's just a simple truth.
tim pool
I actually heard one of the best explanations from this guy.
I forgot his name.
It was in New York when they were doing that Shia LaBeouf thing with that flag.
I can't remember what that flag was called.
lydia smith
Oh, He Will Not Divide Us.
tim pool
Yeah, He Will Not Divide Us.
And there was a guy there, anti-Trump, and I was talking to him and I asked him what he thought about Trump.
And he was like, ah, you know, Trump's, he's got problems.
I don't think he's the worst guy in the world, but I think, you know, we definitely need somebody else, blah, blah, blah.
And it was a black dude, by the way.
So I asked him, I was like, would you think Trump is racist?
And he goes, oh yeah, but he's the least racist president we've ever had.
And I was like, wait, wait, hold on.
Wait, you think he's racist, but he's the least racist?
You think Obama was more racist?
And he was like, yeah.
And he basically told me that he was like, listen, man, you gotta understand.
We had presidents who were slave owners.
Pretty sure that means they were racist, right?
And I'm like, that's a good point.
And he goes, Trump, he has his prejudices, man.
Of course I think he's racist, but compared to all the rest of them, he's the least racist we've ever had.
And I'm like, that's a really interesting way of putting it.
And I think, from a certain perspective, it's fair to say everybody has certain prejudices.
adam crigler
Well, you know, you are attracted to people that look closer to your own.
That's been proven.
tim pool
Physical attractiveness.
adam crigler
That's kind of what I'm saying.
We forget that we're animals.
We are animals.
Babies do that.
We're mammals.
Even today, you know, for example, I was talking to a friend of mine, a close friend of mine, and I was like, he happens to be an African American, and he was telling me, I was like, tell me, tell me, like, talk to me about, like, what you went through, and, uh, grew up without being around, uh, white people in general, and, uh, changed schools, and finally saw his first white person, and was afraid of them.
Just a six year old, you know, first interaction felt fear because it was something different.
tim pool
Yeah.
adam crigler
It's innate in us to, it's, it's, it's something that you don't know.
You don't understand, you know, and that is the, it's learned though, that it's, that it's a bad person that, you know, that in itself, it's different.
tim pool
You know, we have to, that's why I think proximity is the cure for a lot of these biases and bigotry.
adam crigler
Right.
tim pool
That's why the segregationists terrify me.
adam crigler
Exactly.
I agree.
Like Don Lemon was talking to Terry Crews, right?
And they were talking about how like, you know, he was trying to drive home that it isn't, it isn't like, or Terry Crews was saying, you know, it's not, it's not white on black.
It's not black on white.
It's like everyone is in their own clusters and that's where the crime happens to each other.
And it's like, sure.
But when we, when we diversify, when we come together, You know, and find out we're all pretty much the same.
We all want to be loved.
We all want to eat and be comfortable and live life happily.
tim pool
You know, man, the fact that there... I said this the other day and I'll say it a million times.
The fact that there's a white progressive calling a black conservative a white supremacist proves race has nothing to do with it.
adam crigler
Exactly.
tim pool
It is ideology.
adam crigler
Exactly.
tim pool
Straight away.
adam crigler
I mean, and when you see black people killing each other, You know all like non-stop like we look at New York.
What's happening Chicago Atlanta like all these places.
It's happening and Yeah, there's people there if there's a very small group that are actually still speaking up for them, but it's just being lost Well, it's because the political completely it's it's the the mainstream politics doesn't care about it.
tim pool
They can't weaponize it.
adam crigler
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
So you have this the cause of this crime has a lot to do with poverty and And culture.
Gang culture, for instance.
Gang culture isn't the biggest issue.
The biggest factor is my understanding, having covered some of this stuff in Chicago, it's actually just general... I don't know.
It's not gang culture.
It's some kind of... They don't have a respect for life.
And it's cultural.
It has nothing to do with race.
As exemplified by the people in my neighborhood.
adam crigler
They're trying to bring society down, but society has given you this comfortable life.
tim pool
Well, these far-left activists are.
In Chicago, there's very little thought to, like, if you mess with my friends in my neighborhood, we dial to 11.
So, in my neighborhood, this culture was bred across all different races.
You have the south side of Chicago where there's a lot of poverty and there is a culture of violence and anger and dialing the knob all the way up.
Like I told you last week or two weeks ago that there was a fight outside of the high school in my neighborhood and it was a glorious, diverse group of people hating each other.
It's great, right?
And one guy drew a gun.
They were boxing.
One guy lost.
He reached under a car where he hit a weapon.
He pulled out a gun.
Or no, no, he pulled out a 2x4.
And then the other guy was like, oh, you want to bring a weapon, huh?
And then he walked over to his friend and grabbed a gun.
And then everyone started screaming and running.
And it was like that, that mentality of like violence and taking things up to the extreme level of we were hitting each other and now I'm just going to shoot you.
That's just part of like some weird culture that exists.
adam crigler
To quote one of my favorite movies, evil begets evil.
I think it's in the Bible.
tim pool
What do you get with, like, Karen culture?
adam crigler
Fifth Element.
tim pool
With, like, high-level, upper-middle-class Karens?
I will sue you!
No, I will sue you!
No, I will sue you!
And that's the extent to which they take things.
It's like litigation.
But it's a cultural phenomenon.
And it's completely not racial, as evidenced by the fact that you have wealthy, conservative black people arguing with middle-class white progressives about who's the real white supremacist.
adam crigler
Right, exactly.
tim pool
It completely disproves the narrative of the left.
If they ever stopped and actually just stepped back and watched a video of what they were doing, maybe then they would realize race wasn't a factor in it.
adam crigler
Wouldn't that be wonderful if they actually stopped for a second and just took a look at what they're doing and maybe read a history book?
tim pool
Yeah, good luck on that one, huh?
adam crigler
Yeah, right.
tim pool
Well, how about we read a... Spin the UFO!
I was gonna say, read a Super Chats.
adam crigler
A Super Chats?
I'm gonna spin the UFO.
tim pool
And how about you guys... Do it.
adam crigler
Do it, Tim.
tim pool
Do it.
Do it, Tim.
adam crigler
Smash it, Tim.
tim pool
I need you guys... Smash!
...to do this.
adam crigler
Oh, man.
unidentified
Boop!
tim pool
Boop!
unidentified
Boop.
Boop it?
adam crigler
Boop it.
lydia smith
Yeah, just boop it.
tim pool
Bop it.
adam crigler
I'm so disappointed right now.
tim pool
Bop that like button.
lydia smith
That's right.
tim pool
Alright, we got a super chat here while Adam's spinning the UFO.
LR Design Studios, Lori Sullivan-Roy says, Admit it, Tim, you're voting Trump.
MAGA, baby.
Keep up the great work, guys.
Kanye, 2020.
unidentified
Dude.
tim pool
Kanye, man.
We'll see what his platform's all about.
But I'm pretty sure he's not running in 2020, right?
adam crigler
We don't know yet.
We don't know yet.
That's not for sure.
tim pool
Trump responded.
He was like, it'll be a good trial run for 2024.
adam crigler
I think he's truly going to run in 2024.
tim pool
So I'll say exactly what I said before.
You know, I don't know.
If the election was held today, I'd probably vote for Trump.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
But I'm not committed 100%.
There's a lot that has to happen.
And so, it's really funny.
There was a big thread on my Instagram where they were like, Tim's lying!
He would never actually vote for Trump.
And I'm like, what?
I don't get it.
Why would I say that?
adam crigler
They don't care.
They don't know.
They don't listen to everything you say.
tim pool
The argument is that I'm only pretending to want to vote for Trump to get the clicks from Trump supporters.
adam crigler
Sure, I'm sure.
tim pool
And I'm like, what?
I've not done a thing.
adam crigler
No, no, that's okay.
I got that.
You got that?
tim pool
I got that.
What do you mean?
adam crigler
No, I'm just kidding.
Yeah, I already said it.
I'm proudly voting for him now.
tim pool
So why would I have to?
adam crigler
I am.
tim pool
I like the guy.
adam crigler
I think he's doing good things.
tim pool
My thing is, like, I fear more about Joe Biden transforming the country.
Definitely.
Here's how I explain it to people.
I was like, you know, in this conversation about the far left, I said, do you have any idea what minority people and, like, regular Americans who are not politically alienated, who are minority or mixed, think when they wake up and see large sections of the white population organizing white identity-based groups and calling for white collective action?
Like, do you think they sit there and think, let's discuss the nuances of their political opinions on why they should form a white racial group?
Or do you think they're like, uh-oh, what's going on?
I thought we have civil rights law to, like, prevent discrimination from, you know, majorities oppressing minorities.
adam crigler
Nope, it's the opposite, and they're actually repealing all those civil rights laws.
tim pool
Exactly!
So let me just break it down for y'all.
In California, where Like, the majority, which is white, has started calling for white collective action and has advocated now through the Democratic Party to repeal their civil rights legislation.
adam crigler
Hold on, wait.
tim pool
Which they have done.
adam crigler
I got a physical representation of how I feel about that.
tim pool
It's creepy.
adam crigler
Yep.
unidentified
It's creepy.
adam crigler
No smash.
tim pool
They really did it.
We'll see if it actually gets passed, but it's funny when I see people post on Twitter and they have a picture of it and they're like, this can't be real, can it?
adam crigler
And I'm like, yes, it's real.
tim pool
They have repealed civil rights.
They have voted to do it.
adam crigler
So it's happening.
No, they vote this November, right?
tim pool
Yeah.
California Democrats might actually strike out the language in their constitution that says the state cannot discriminate based on race.
lydia smith
That's amazing.
tim pool
Truly amazing how far they've come, huh?
All right, let's see what we got here in the old Super Chats.
Theodore Abate says, what's your stance on multiculturalism?
Personally, I don't think it works, and the evidence seems pretty self-evident at this point.
Thanks for keeping it real.
Depends on your definition.
adam crigler
Trying to shove it down our throats that it doesn't work.
tim pool
It does work.
adam crigler
It does.
tim pool
It absolutely does work.
I lived in Chicago, as I've said probably 17 trillion times at this point.
Chicago has Chinatown.
I would go to Chinatown, and I would very much enjoy it, and we would love to go down there, and we all got along just fine.
The issue is, is there one umbrella culture for which all the other subcultures exist?
If American culture, so this is where the definitions come into play.
A lot of people, when they say multiculturalism, they refer to American culture, and then like, say, Chinese culture, side by side.
Clearly doesn't work.
Because you can't have different sets of rules and laws based on your culture.
Now, if people move from, say, China, and they create a Chinatown, where they do a lot of things that are culturally Chinese, but it's all under the one parent umbrella of American constitutional republicanism or liberal democracy, whatever definition you want to use, we're fine.
Then you can go down and say, I may not understand why it is you prefer to eat these foods, but I can come and we can enjoy because we all abide by the same rules and the same laws.
The problem arises when you have no parent overarching culture, and then you get...
Side-by-side, parallel cultures with different sets of rules and laws, you end up with morality police and we're starting to see that.
That doesn't work.
adam crigler
That's true.
tim pool
That doesn't work.
I wonder if, like, these people believe that intersectionalism will be the global unifying force or something.
That sounds Horrible.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
Like, I would love to live in a Star Trek future.
adam crigler
Who doesn't?
But in a Star Trek future... I'll take one coffee, please.
tim pool
Thank you.
You know what the famous quote is from the... What was Star Trek?
adam crigler
The 60s?
unidentified
Started, yeah, maybe.
tim pool
When Abraham Lincoln was, like, on the ship for some reason.
I can't remember exactly why.
And he uses a racial term, a relatively derogatory racial term for the time, for Captain... I'm sorry, not Captain.
Uhura.
Yeah, Uhura.
She was the fourth in command, I think.
And then he corrects himself and says, oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realize it was that offensive.
And she goes, why would I be offended?
And then Kirk is like, I think it's Kirk, he says something like, by this time in human civilization, we don't let words, oh no, Uhura says this, we don't let words offend us.
adam crigler
Nice.
tim pool
And everybody was like, when this, people started resurfacing this clip, and they were like, if only they understood how wrong they were.
Because like, it's gotten so worse.
adam crigler
In Star Trek lore, though, it got a lot worse before they created Star Trek.
tim pool
In San Francisco.
adam crigler
That's true.
tim pool
So maybe we're on track.
adam crigler
No.
tim pool
Maybe it'll be great.
All right, let's see.
What else do we got here over in the old superchats?
ExiledDevil says, the worst WMD that humanity created is the internet and social media.
It has destroyed countless lives.
It's unregulated and in the hands of billions.
Like many WMDs, it was supposed to help us, not destroy us.
We are not ready for the responsibility.
It is no joke when people say we have condensed 10 years of history in six months.
adam crigler
That's true.
There's something I've been thinking about this a lot actually because we've been discussing that we weren't ready for social media and I think there's there's if you look at like the technological advance of the past hundred years right and how fast it's advancing the further we go so it's it's almost exponential It seems like it might be slowing down now but it's because it's not so much of the physical realm now it's because the internet came along and we're seeing you know this new phase in humanity essentially and I feel like
We're seeing the effects of it now.
This is truly the effects of the internet.
So people are seeing it.
So it's almost like we are all going through this awakening right now.
This moment that we're in.
We're seeing the effects of it.
It's polarizing and focusing everybody to really analyze Practically every aspect of humanity.
I think... I mean, at least personally.
tim pool
The internet created a hard fork in American culture.
So when you had a flat internet, you had all these different communities.
And they started bubbling up and growing.
And then at some point they fork off from each other in disagreement about what should or shouldn't be.
And that leads us to the culture war.
And now you've got two, it's like, yeah, it's, it's, it's a, it's a hard fork in the cultural programming of our country.
And I don't know if it can be remedied because that's, it's, it's a fork.
They're just completely different lines of code at this point.
adam crigler
Yeah.
So the civil war that we keep talking about.
tim pool
We gotta get rid of one of the forks, man.
adam crigler
We need O'Hara's voice right now.
unidentified
Who?
adam crigler
O'Hara, from Star Trek.
Talking about how we don't let words affect us.
I'm not offended by that because I don't get offended by words.
tim pool
These two forks can't coexist.
adam crigler
Absolutely, you're right.
tim pool
So, and I'm not talking about people, I'm talking about cultural ideology.
One of them has to be stamped out.
They're tearing down statues.
They're lying about it.
Trump is arguing, you know, in my opinion, the way I see it is, the left is the deviation.
You have American history.
You can follow everything back in time, all the way back to, you know, John Locke, liberalism, the ideas that led to the revolution, back through colonialism, back through, you know, every migration of all the different patterns.
And then today, or 10 years ago, a fork split off.
That disagrees with all of that history and doesn't recognize it.
So that's the deviation.
Those of us that say we recognize the fault of this country and respect it for what it is and how it became great and continues to strive are respecting the parent.
It's like, you know, trusting in America and believing in this country and respecting our history is the real code.
Then you have the far left, which is a deviant forking off the code to create something else that would literally destroy everything from, you know, before the year 2000 or something like that.
Year zero, as it were.
adam crigler
Yeah, that's insane.
tim pool
But I think what's causing this rapid development of history in such a short time is the speed at which we communicate.
adam crigler
Yep.
tim pool
So, man, it's crazy.
You know the revolution took place over 18 years.
I think it was 18 years.
It wasn't just the war.
It was the process by which the conversation started, the Continental Congress, the drafting of the Declaration of Independence.
And it was like, they drafted the Declaration, and then they're done, and then what, like years go by before any real conflict starts?
The Declaration had to make it to England and then make it back!
That probably took a year!
adam crigler
Right, so my thought on that is that you think it took a long time for it to happen, and then it took a long time to integrate into the system, right?
So now we're at this stage where it's like that instead.
So it's going to happen like that, and it's going to end like that.
Do you know what I mean?
tim pool
Will it end like that?
adam crigler
I think so.
I think so, yeah.
tim pool
I don't, I don't, maybe, but the reason it starts with a bang is because instead of, you know, like, taking the Declaration of Independence, giving it to somebody, being like, get this on the first ship to England, and then three months, you know, the king will review it, and then three months after that, we'll have a bunch of regulars, or probably more than three months after that, Yeah.
you know, seven months because I got to get the troops and put them on the boats and then send them out here.
So you're looking at almost a year after you sign it and send it out.
Whereas today you'd be like, Oh, let me send it.
Let me, let me, let me tweet.
Yo, we are independent.
Do something.
adam crigler
Right.
tim pool
And then within that moment, he goes, send out our soldiers.
The war still happens.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
But it, and it takes time.
adam crigler
It's still gonna end as fast as it begins.
tim pool
I don't think it'll end as fast.
I think it goes straight up and then goes down really fast because there's still the hot conflict.
adam crigler
So it's a double.
It's double.
A couple poetry snaps.
tim pool
Like, the thing about the Revolution, the Civil War, and these other bits of history that took a long time was that people had to move around and communication took forever.
With the start of the war, it's instant.
Oh, you're doing this?
I mean, actually, it's not.
I'm willing to bet that whatever this period is, historians would argue it started with, you know, just before Occupy Wall Street.
They would say, you know, in August 2011, a bunch of, you know, socialist activists got together and planned the Occupy Wall Street movement.
This was the beginning emergence of mainstream intersectionalism, where they actually had governing bodies based on your privilege and stuff like that.
And then it became more and more prevalent from colleges to media companies, you know, to the mainstream enterprise.
And then by 2020, it was widespread violence.
So if we look back in history, they'll say it took 20 years.
They will.
adam crigler
That's a good point.
tim pool
Yeah, maybe.
And maybe we're just kind of exaggerating it.
All right, we got this super chat from Big Mac Attack.
He says, Good evening, Baron Von Beanie, Sorbarian Jesus, and Lady Lydia of Whiterun.
Did you guys know a metal band actually did an album inspired by the anime Berserk?
The album was called Beast in Black.
I highly recommend it.
Cheers.
Appreciate it.
adam crigler
Cool.
Yeah, I appreciate that.
tim pool
Alright, let's see.
We are about to hit time.
adam crigler
I got a large one here from Chronoflation.
It says, man, listening to you two debate makes me excited to see Adam with Stefan Malinew.
If you guys can get him on, I'd love to see it.
I'm trying to imagine what will happen when the champion of anti-racism meets the statistical race realistic philosopher.
lydia smith
That'll be an interesting debate.
adam crigler
We are working on... Oh, is that me?
Am I the champion?
No.
Oh, is that him?
I don't know anything about him, so... Yeah, he's the stats and philosophy.
tim pool
He's the guy who just got banned from YouTube because you're not allowed to talk about it.
adam crigler
Right, no, so they're calling me the champion of anti-racism.
tim pool
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
That's right.
adam crigler
Alright.
lydia smith
That's you.
adam crigler
I didn't know.
tim pool
We are working on a big expansion.
It is not particularly easy, but we are planning by probably September to have, you know, everything in order.
And then we're going to be able to bring on bigger guests.
We're gonna have a redesigned set.
We're gonna have bigger space.
We're gonna have an indoor shooting range, skate park, and a bunch of the crazy stuff.
adam crigler
Indoor skate park, indoor shooting range.
tim pool
And a vlog, and probably more channels, and gaming, and just weird shenanigans.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, it's gonna be fun.
It's gonna be awesome.
adam crigler
Oh, I'm excited.
lydia smith
I'm stoked.
tim pool
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adam crigler
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adam crigler
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tim pool
And Parler!
unidentified
Oh yeah.
tim pool
And you can also follow at SourPatchLids on Twitter.
Is that Parler too?
lydia smith
Uh, yeah.
tim pool
And Parler.
Look at that.
And that's L-Y-D-S.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
Alright, let's see what we got here in the Super Chats.
Angry Bellsprout says, Tim endorses Lincoln's plans to- I'm not gonna- wait, wait, wait, what?
I'm not reading that.
Vincent Grasso says, Grunt here, as a new gun owner, I just want to toss a suggestion to look up and do dry fire drills in your home.
It helps build the muscle memory in the absence of range time and the ammo shortages.
And they actually sell those caps.
Oh yeah.
So you can dry fire without actually firing the weapon.
adam crigler
Yeah, we saw them in the shop.
tim pool
So if you want to do training, no matter what, anybody listening, I'm not going to pretend to be an expert on guns, but a gun is always loaded.
Period.
adam crigler
Rule number one.
tim pool
TheKillerStove says, I voted for Gary Johnson as a protest vote in 2016 to show I was willing to engage in the system, but was disenfranchised.
lydia smith
Yep.
tim pool
In the far left's eyes, that was high treason.
The far left's hate for moderates is insane.
Trump 2020.
It is insane.
I hear you, man.
adam crigler
It's, it's, it's crazy, man.
They get that crazy.
tim pool
That's what we were talking about.
adam crigler
Right straight to 11.
tim pool
Exactly.
They're just, they're just like, their hair, they're just screeching banshees.
adam crigler
I know.
tim pool
There's no calming them down.
Like, you want to just, Come here, give me a hug.
Yeah, I don't deal with that well.
adam crigler
and they like knife you in the back. Yeah, I don't deal with that well.
tim pool
Jeff Schlumberg says, I'm an oath keeper 3 percenter.
3 percenter refers to it only took 3 percent of the population
to rise up and defeat the British in the Revolutionary War.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
I'm also I am also ADV China's media person.
If you would still like to do an interview with Matt.
Who's Matt?
adam crigler
I don't know.
I don't know.
tim pool
I don't know what that is.
lydia smith
ADV China.
I will look it up.
tim pool
But they can reach out, they can tweet at you, or is that getting overwhelming?
Yeah.
adam crigler
No, I mean, yeah, whatever.
I do always have a tweet at the top of my page.
Every Sunday night or Monday morning I do a, this is a subject thread, hit me up with ideas, and people still hit me up, so.
tim pool
At Adam Cridway.
adam crigler
Feel free.
tim pool
Stangley says, hey Tim, I just want to ask you, what do you think the future holds with escalations in China and unprecedented political unrest in America and across the world?
Also, just want to say, mad respect to you guys, keep it up.
They might ban TikTok.
adam crigler
I would love it if they banned TikTok.
unidentified
Why?
adam crigler
Because it's annoying?
No, because China's spying.
Yeah, they're spying on American citizens.
tim pool
Manipulating young people.
adam crigler
Period.
I mean, no, we can't stop young people from using the internet, but if they're spying on us and they control what is being viral, I mean, it is a Chinese company.
Who's to say they're not going, oh, this is a perfect one, make this one viral over something else on TikTok.
I don't know if they can or they can't, but I do know that we've proved that they take your clipboard information and they know what's on there.
tim pool
One of the reasons they claim to have targeted Michael Flynn was that he said he thought China was a bigger threat than Russia.
adam crigler
What a surprise.
tim pool
And they were like, that proves he's trying to shield Russia.
And it's like, no, it shows he's going after China.
And that got you mad?
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
China's the threat.
They mentioned Russian interference.
I wonder how much of that is actually Chinese interference manipulating our social media to make people go crazy.
adam crigler
That's a good point.
tim pool
How about... I know it's a joke, but we got a couple million, we got several million people in Hong Kong.
Need a good place to go.
adam crigler
And they love us, man.
tim pool
I know, they're waving American flags.
adam crigler
Yeah, July 4th.
There was more people around the world that want to be here than the people that are arguing how bad America is.
And it's just like...
tim pool
And there are people defending China.
adam crigler
Get out of here.
I know.
It's like, you want to go to China?
Go live in China?
tim pool
I'll tell you what, I'll tell you what.
adam crigler
We'll happily replace you with these other people that want to be patriots and want to live in this amazing country.
tim pool
If you are pro-CCP, okay, and you love what China does, I would absolutely, personally, myself, pay for you to move there and pay for that resident of Hong Kong to come back and take your place.
So, like, you guys can switch.
And I mean that with the utmost respect.
If you really do think China does a good job, and there are people in America who do, then I will help you go there and live happily.
And if there's someone in Hong Kong who wants to be in America, I would pay to bring them here.
I think that's an amicable solution to make everybody happy.
adam crigler
This spin is for all those people in Hong Kong that wish they were here.
I wish you were here too.
tim pool
Check this out.
Kaleem Mims says, when you talk about Trump making the Garden of Heroes on the 4th of July, it gave me hope.
I didn't like him at first, now I'm leaning towards him 2020.
Me, a young black man.
I gotta tell you, man, when Trump announced the Garden of Heroes, my net Trump favorability went up a lot.
adam crigler
Me too.
That's great.
I mean, it was already fairly, it was doing well over here.
tim pool
My position has typically been Trump is bad, but he's not that bad.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
Now my position is like, eh, Trump's alright.
The Garden of Heroes thing's legit.
I really, really, really like that.
adam crigler
Me too.
tim pool
For two reasons.
I love the idea of statues honoring heroes.
adam crigler
Yep.
tim pool
And you know what one of my favorite statues ever is?
The statue of Hachiko the dog.
unidentified
Cool.
tim pool
You know the story?
adam crigler
Yeah.
Great story.
tim pool
Hachiko was a loyal dog who would wait by the train every day for his best friend.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
To use the proper terminology.
One day, the Japanese professor who owned Hachiko died while at the university and he never came back.
And Hachiko waited there for nearly ten years every day.
No matter how many times they tried to remove him, he was like, no, I am waiting for my friend.
And he died.
They built a statue in his honor at the train station.
adam crigler
Yeah, it's a great story.
tim pool
I love that story.
There's also a funnier story of a fat cat, this was viral on Reddit, that would lean on the stairs, like the guy from the Dos Equis commercial.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
And when the cat died, they built a statue in his honor so that when you walk by, there's a little fat cat leaning on the stairs.
adam crigler
I see a fat cat over there.
tim pool
But I really do like the idea of getting to see a representation of the giants for whom have lent their shoulders to you to stand on.
adam crigler
The problem with that is if people don't know their history, it's meaningless.
And that's a big issue.
tim pool
You put a plaque at the bottom of the statue to say, here's who this person was.
adam crigler
Well, they have to read the plaque.
tim pool
Dude, there's a couple things about the Garden of Heroes.
For one, he made a great list of great American heroes, and I hope they offer up a way to vote for more individuals to be placed there.
adam crigler
I'm sure, yeah.
Why wouldn't it be that way?
tim pool
I just imagine 100 years from now, people are going to walk in there and be like, wow.
And they're going to look at all these statues of all these different people, and they're going to learn about why we hold them in such high esteem.
But the other thing is, With this move to build the Garden of Heroes, Trump did, it was the biggest smackdown of the far left.
I just want you to imagine, like, a boxing, an MMA ring, and the far left is, like, you know, doing little, like, quick jabs at Trump, and then Trump jumps 50 feet in the air, and then just, like, aims down, a burst of flames, and then just, boom!
Right in the face, and they explode.
adam crigler
Boom!
tim pool
On the like button.
Yes!
That smackdown on the far left was so explosive, I'm almost imagining some Antifa guy getting punched by Trump in his face as he explodes in a splatter of blood.
Now I'm exaggerating, but what I mean is, he didn't just say, I will stop you from tearing down statues.
He said, I'm going to build 50 more.
adam crigler
I'm going to build more statues.
lydia smith
I heard you like statues.
unidentified
Oh, I love that.
tim pool
First and foremost, I really like the idea of a national park memorializing heroes.
unidentified
Me too.
tim pool
Notably Harriet Tubman.
lydia smith
Yeah.
adam crigler
Totally.
tim pool
I think, right?
And he did say Frederick Douglass.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
Antonin Scalia, go for it.
I'm, you know, I think there's American heroes that we, there are people that we might disagree with, but if you want to put Ruth Bader Ginsburg in there as well, I, you know, winter time, I'm not trying to be morbid, but You know she's getting on she's talking now man. I have
tremendous respect for her her career the thing She's accomplished and clearly she's strong. Yeah, you
cannot deny that that woman One of the strongest human beings I've ever heard of bunny.
adam crigler
Yeah for real man. I'm impressed. I got a retired That's that's the key to living long, but she has gone
tim pool
through how many bouts of cancer and like yeah and illnesses and she
Will not let go I know I'm impressed.
I'm absolutely impressed.
adam crigler
I've heard, I actually got wind that she actually watches our show and smashes the like button.
unidentified
Oh really?
adam crigler
Oh yeah?
lydia smith
This is true.
adam crigler
This is a true fact.
tim pool
I think this was one of the most clever ways to rebut what the far left has been doing.
Because it's a way to reaffirm our history.
In the face of those who want to destroy it, you're not getting a federal, you know, a national park.
With all of these heroes.
You may have torn down a dozen or so of these statues.
Trump's gonna build, you know, two, three dozen more.
adam crigler
Bigger.
Better.
tim pool
Yeah.
And you can't get in there.
The best.
You're not gonna go in there.
So the states might not agree, but Trump is saying straight up, our history will not be destroyed.
I will reinforce it.
And I'm like, here, here, man.
Here, here.
I have tremendous respect for that.
adam crigler
Same here.
tim pool
Have Tome says, the Adam Curtis dock hyper normalization.
It wades through the culmination of forces that have driven this culture into mass uncertainty, confusion, spectacle, and simulation.
It does, but it starts to trail off.
And I got like a certain point, I was like, hmm, you know, I lost it.
It fell asleep and just, you know, let's see, what do we got?
Michael Steven says, have you all ever read the rough draft of the Declaration of Independence where they originally tried to end slavery, but two colonies wouldn't agree to it?
I read about it.
adam crigler
Yeah, I read about that.
tim pool
They wanted to abolish it outright, but they would not have been able to defeat the British if they didn't have the support of these other colonies.
adam crigler
That's right.
tim pool
Man, I'm not happy about that.
It would have been... because I'm stubborn.
I would have been like, then you guys can leave.
adam crigler
Yeah, you know and then we'll do I mean, but they needed the military support I mean, they might not have won and then we might have been a military I mean who knows where we'd be right now, you know, but this is the this is the thing We are here.
We are here right now.
This is where we are We're not back then and that's where everyone I can't stand this canceling people from the far past where it's like Like the whole Marx thing, you know, like people are defending him.
They're like, oh, yeah, he was racist, but I You know, he never brought around true communism like he wanted to.
And it's like, I don't care what your argument is.
You're literally saying what we're saying about all the different people that you're trying to demolish.
You're trying to rip down these statues.
You weren't there.
tim pool
There's no real ideology.
adam crigler
We're here.
Here is where we are.
We need to move forward.
That's the only option.
It's the only option in life.
tim pool
Rules for thee, but not for me.
adam crigler
Nah.
tim pool
They will say, we must tear down these old racists.
What about that statue of, you know, Lenin?
unidentified
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
adam crigler
Whoa, well, you know.
That one's on private property.
It was accepted at the time.
lydia smith
Ironically, yeah.
tim pool
They said the statue of Lenin's on private property.
That's actually what they said.
adam crigler
Wow.
tim pool
I'm not saying like they literally all said it, but of course they're not gonna tear down the Lenin statue in Seattle.
I'll tell you what, man.
The first time I went to Seattle and I saw the Lenin statue, I was very confused.
adam crigler
Like, why?
tim pool
I was like, I think I was 20.
And I'm looking at it and I'm like, Is that who I think it is?
I'm like, isn't this a guy that we hate?
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
Why is there a statue of him?
adam crigler
Right.
And why is he still standing now?
unidentified
Why is it there?
tim pool
Yeah, well, duh.
adam crigler
I don't get it.
tim pool
They just want to destroy America.
They hate America.
That's the sad reality.
adam crigler
Yeah, maybe.
tim pool
The other sad reality is that it's 1010 and it's time to go to bed.
unidentified
Oh man, it is.
tim pool
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adam crigler
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adam crigler
I actually have a Parlay that you can, I have a thread there that you can also give me stories.
tim pool
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adam crigler
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