I am pleased to welcome you all to this absolutely great mate conversation with the divinely inspired Uber Boyo.
And we will talk a bit about everything regarding Nietzsche, or perhaps not everything because it's a very big topic, but we'll get into some juicy stuff at least.
So very welcome to this defined channel, Steph.
Thank you very much, my man.
I'm delighted to be here.
And maybe we can set the foundations for, I don't know, rebuilding the Longboat Army and seeing what we can do with that.
So this is good stuff.
The Nietzsche and Longboat Army might return.
Yeah, I think that's the only reasonable course of action at this stage.
So I thought we could get straight into it.
I always like to sort of hear the origin story of commentators.
So what sort of brought you to your current worldview?
I suppose Nietzsche has been a big part of it.
So how did you get to, how did you find Nietzsche or how did the spirit of Nietzsche find you rather?
Okay, fantastic.
Well, I will dive into this now.
Now, I may go on a bit of a tirade, a bit of a rant.
So stop me if you want to pull up any questions or if you want to.
I like rant, so it's all good.
Go for it.
We're ready for it.
I'm blazed out of my mind on coffee, so get ready.
So the origin story, the best place to start is, of course, college, because I think this is such a profound theme when you think about it.
Like, what is the like you're a brilliant channel?
You've got a brilliant brand because you're very orientated towards self-improvement.
You've built yourself a fantastic physique and you are very positive and you're always very optimistic.
And you're like, lads, look, no matter what's going on in the world, you need to take control of your situation and there's things you can do in yourself.
And I actually really, really like that.
I've always liked your vibe because of this.
Now, when I think back to my life, I always had an instinct inside of me that I knew I needed to improve.
You know, like I think all guys have this on some level.
And you feel like, you know, I'm not good enough.
I could be better.
There's things I could do that is better.
Now, the purpose of the education system is to help you fulfill that potential on its fundamental level.
Like if you lived in ancient Rome or ancient Greece, they would have brought you in from a young age and taught you music and wrestling and turned you into a super warrior, an intelligent super warrior, so you can be of service to the tribe and the state, essentially.
Now, when I went to college in Ireland, I go in and I'm entering into the education system.
I'm a young dude.
I'm a fucking dummy.
I don't really know what's going on.
I don't know how the world works.
And so I'm kind of just going along with the plan an awful lot.
Now, in secondary school, like I was going along with the plan.
Secondary school isn't so bad.
It was an awful lot of fun.
It was like, you know, hanging out with the girls and making friends, playing sports.
There was some education that was kind of boring, like all this type of stuff, but whatever about that.
That was generally okay.
It wasn't universal.
High school was not that big of a deal.
Okay.
But university was something else.
So I remember getting into this and I studied literature.
I studied English.
I studied philosophy.
I studied music.
I started sociology.
These are the humanities, the liberal arts.
You're hearing an awful lot about this stuff from America.
And of course, like people like Jordan Peterson.
So I go into these.
And I go in on my first couple of days and I'm introduced to this sort of set of ideas and all these thinkers and all these books.
And I keep hearing this sort of motif where I'm getting this idea that we need to criticize something called the Western canon.
Now, I have read some Shakespeare because I had a fantastic English teacher and I knew vaguely what this Western canon was, but I didn't really understand what it was at all.
But I was hearing an awful lot of this.
And this is called actually critical theory.
You might recognize this these days as critical race theory, which is derivative of this.
Now, this is actually coming out of deconstructionism, postmodernism, all these type of things.
Basically, this is the kind of school of thought that's current in the colleges.
I enter in, and all these professors are saying, Yeah, we must criticize this Western canon.
And then we must deconstruct it and try to understand what was happening with this.
And for example, there's this guy called Derrida, and he was saying that the Western canon is phallogo-centric, which is really bad because it's male.
It swings his dick around too much, it's logocentric, which means it's too logical.
It's got this stiff Christian morality inside of it.
And of course, I'd hear all this stuff and you know, the world we grow up in.
I'd be like, Yeah, those fucking stiff Christians.
Oh, yeah, you know, this male nonsense.
You know, we gotta, we're in a different world now because a bit of a lib when I was younger.
And then there's these other things that are put in front of me.
So I get give the communist manifesto, and I'm told that I need to learn Marxism so I can look into the Western canon and read the Western canon, understand the implicit capitalist propaganda inside Western canon and understand the way that Marxism is inside of it.
I go in, and Judith Butler is presented to me.
This is the foundation of what we understand now as queer theory and the idea that there's a heteronormative way, you know, like if you, there's a, there's a way that society programmes you to be Foucault, all of these characters.
You've heard about them all.
People call this generally cultural Marxism.
None of that conceptual stuff I understood it understood at this time.
Instead, I was experiencing it very subjectively.
I go into the university and I'm being told there's this bad thing that needs to be critiqued.
And it's very intellectual and sophisticated to critique it properly.
And something, nothing intellectual with me, but something in my gut feels that there's something off with this.
I'm sitting there.
I'm trying to be a diligent enough student.
I'm kind of taking some drugs.
I've been getting partying a bit too much.
But generally speaking, I'm being diligent.
I'm going in there.
I'm listening to these theories, but there's something in my gut that's saying this isn't helping me.
You know, I'm going in here and I'm having all these abstractions shoved down my throat.
None of these people are good writers.
They're very abstract, heavy writers that use like an awful lot of conceptual jargon.
We can maybe get into that later.
And it's just not, it's not making me feel, I have got no thumb.
You know, it's not like I'm feeling my energy levels go up.
Instead, I'm actually finding very subtly there's stuff like you know, the Judith Butler is blaming me, blaming masculinity.
And I'm like, I'm a dude.
Like, why should I be reading this shit that's that's putting me down and stuff like this?
And so I decide that, all right, I'm learning all theory and I'm not learning any skills.
I came in here because I want to improve, I want to become better, I need skills.
And so I basically drop out on this predicate that I don't need theory.
This is just nothing but theory.
This is making me turning me into a giant like big head intellectual like Dexter, but not making me any good.
So I drop out and I pursue music.
I pursue public speaking.
I find like mentors in Dublin to help me do this stuff.
I just start to pay them and go to classes with them and stuff like this.
And I basically invent my own private education program for myself.
And it was very messy, but it was me going in that direction.
And out of that, I found Nietzsche during that period in the university.
And so as I was dropping out, I kind of said to myself, there must be something to this theory stuff.
So I should read this Western canon thing.
So I read a bit more about it to try to understand what it was.
And I realized it was like Plato, Scholastics, the Christians, German philosophy, basically, and modern philosophy.
And I said, well, fuck it.
I could just get those books and read this shit myself.
I don't need some idiot telling me how to deconstruct these things.
So I went to the library and I picked up Plato and I was like reading Plato.
I was like, my God, this is Plato is so clear, so elegant, so straightforward in the way that he articulated himself.
And of course, then I heard like all of philosophy as footnotes to Plato.
I read through a lot of that.
And then I obviously came to Nietzsche.
And Nietzsche comes and Jung and all them.
And Nietzsche comes up and he's, you know, the prophet of the lightning.
You know, he's just, you read him and he's just, he bewitches you with how amazing he is as a writer.
He's just so compelling.
And I remember picking up Zarathustra and I'm like, oh my God, this looks like an amazing Übermensch, like all these amazing, vital, forward-thinking, profound ideas, affirming my heroic instincts, affirming this idea of fulfilling your potential.
And I'm like, I'm like, this is this, this motherfucker is speaking my language.
You know, this is exactly what I was looking for.
And it got me hyped.
And so I dropped out, set up this sort of private education program, went to do Mai Thai.
This is actually like as I started my Thai, about maybe a year or two later, Conor McGregor started to kick into gear and he started to get his career in the Ascendant.
So this is kind of gives you an understanding of the timeframe.
Yeah.
And then, yeah, this basically brought me into Nietzsche.
I started to read him and I was doing this kind of private training and teaching English to make my cash and asking mum for like you know $40 every now and again so I could pay for like a music teacher or something like this.
And that was my life for a while.
And then Jordan Peterson comes along and starts to mainstream Nietzsche and Jung.
And that was basically like, oh my God.
Like I'd never heard anybody in popular culture speak about these two esoteric philosophers that I was like, you know, nerding out on.
He starts talking about them.
And I'm like, yes, good fucking Lord.
This is the best thing ever.
And so I started a YouTube channel basically talking about that.
And it just kind of takes off from there.
And so I was like riding on the back of Jordan Peterson to get my place in the sun, if you will.
And that's kind of the very, very basic origin stories.
And there's many sort of derivatives after that.
All right.
Awesome.
Yeah, cool.
So you got red pilled by Jordan Pitchen and then you transcended his levels of red pills, I suppose.
Yeah, like so.
Yeah, if you want to talk about the specific red pills.
So at the time when I read Nietzsche first, he was talking about, I think this is really important to understand because at that level, I had very little concern about the nature of the world.
I was very much focused on my own potential.
I think a lot of young dudes just want to become better.
They want to become good enough.
They like, you know, they want to get the girls.
They want to be cool.
They want to express their creativity.
That was, these were the main concerns for me.
And I was listening to Nietzsche.
And like, again, in college, I was having this, like, I later understood it through Jordan Peterson as a project of actual demoralization, which is extremely pernicious and dangerous.
That's taking away people's potential and turning them into like weapons of some ideology.
But forget all that.
What I felt inside of that was weakness.
I was losing grips of my potential.
And then I come across Nietzsche and he's like speaking of heroism and you can go and you can change your destiny and transform.
And Jung's saying the same thing.
This appeals to me an awful lot.
And so I have this implicit sort of go for it, build, creates attitude inside of me.
But at that time, like, it's not like my worldview was well formed.
I was sort of like, you know, I was like thinking probably kind of like an anarcho-libertarian or something like this.
I'm like, fuck the government all the time, this type of attitude.
And then Jordan Peterson makes me aware that there's something going on with the world, the woke institutions, I guess you could say.
And he makes me think about Christianity an awful lot more seriously.
But then while I was making my channel and I was talking about Jordan Peterson, let's just say the people in the comments would constantly link very interesting videos.
For example, you were linked to me in the comments at one point.
Ah, right, right.
Nice.
That was the process.
That was when I started to really learn.
Like, you know, I was like, wow, the whole world shifting, the whole upside down nature of a reality, if you put it this way.
So it happened actually through the channel, through creating things is where I started to learn.
Yeah, all right, cool.
Yeah, I mean, my take on Jordan Pitchon has basically always been the same.
He has been a very good, I wouldn't say a gatekeeper, because ultimately the truly curious guys, they will go further.
So they will stumble upon his work because he has a great rich.
And then the guys who want to, yeah, take things further in terms of their enlightenment journeys, they will go further.
So the guys who aren't so curious, they might stop with him and take his worldview to heart.
But the guys who are truly high thumbs, they will go further.
So I haven't, I have never viewed him as a gatekeeper in that regard, but more like a first step on a much higher ladder.
So he has a good starting point, I would say.
Then again, you know, it's sort of like seeing, you know, if you have an old fighter, an old UFC fighter, a K1 fighter or something that, you know, you grew up with being really good and you admire him, and then he gets a bit older and then he starts losing and he doesn't know when to quit, but you still sort of respect him for his prowess when he was a bit younger.
And that's how I see Jordan Peterson a bit now as well, when he talks on Twitter about, I don't know what he says, but these anonymous demons who are commenting on his Twitter posts and YouTube comments.
And he wants everyone to, he wants no one to be anonymous and stuff like that.
So he's sort of losing the grip, but I still respect him for the work he has done.
And yeah, I mean, bringing a lot of this matters to light.
Yeah, like with Jordan Peterson, I can guess I can give my thesis on it.
He's the apex of boomer consciousness, you know, like he has a fantastic hard line.
And he's like, all right, let me maybe put it this way.
He's very good at talking about things that an awful lot of people do actually lack.
Like he's very good at asserting a brutal realism and the need for things like responsibility and the importance of understanding that if you want to actually achieve your goals, you're going to have to take this like very specific, down-to-earth, procedural, responsible approach to this stuff.
He was a huge deal for mainstreaming Christianity and a alternate, a sophisticated, alternate perspective to the worldview.
He sort of intellectualized and made it more sophisticated to believe that, you know, there's a reason to be conservative.
There's a reason to be Christianity, to be Christian.
I think those two things are so important because what was dominant before him was, you know, the new atheists and Sam Harris and all these type of things.
And I do think that stuff is incredibly important and it's really like taking things many steps forward.
And like if you're really young in any way, like young would generally say that's just so essential to do stuff like that, stabilize people's imagination from being caught up in communism and stuff like this.
So he's done phenomenal work in setting up a trench against you could describe as like a full communist takeover.
And it sounds very extreme, but like if you actually think about it, at that time, the actual threat was like every our red pill views were all very young and they weren't going to go anywhere anytime quick.
But he was setting up this like really firm back.
He really put the foot down when it mattered, you know?
And now what you've seen is that an awful lot of people are starting to like, an awful lot of people are starting to look at these woke movements, if you want to call them this, and saying that they sound ridiculous.
Like there is actually a huge popular disrespect to them that was not there about five years ago.
Elon Musk, for example, likes Jordan Peterson and follows his circles.
And I, you know, I think his circles are very suspicious, but nonetheless, you got to look at a win and understand a win.
And Elon Musk has basically gotten red-pilled by Jordan Peterson and those type of characters and has now bought Twitter, one of the main media arms of the world.
And he's now starting to twist it in that direction.
That's a phenomenal win.
That's a phenomenal achievement.
And really puts position to this.
To Elon Musk, if you're listening to this, thank you for buying Twitter and thank you for unshadow banning me.
I was shadow banned, I think, for, I don't know, four years or something like that.
I had no reach and I didn't grow my account.
But now, over the last few months, it's actually gotten interactive again and my account is growing.
So great stuff.
Thank you.
Thank you, Elon Musk.
So I thought we could get into the truly juicy, the juicy stuff, the juicy topic.
Always, if I want to provoke a discussion, a heated discussion, I always throw out the following topic, paganism and Christianity.
And I saw that you have, yeah, you went on a really good, you made a really good video.
I will, of course, link your channel below in the description box here.
And I encourage everyone to look at, I think, your latest video.
It's about what if Christianity was that time's woke movement.
And it details, of course, the yeah, who Christianity was for.
And I will let you elaborate a bit on this.
I will just give a shout out to one of my best and truest shout out to Nati Pitt.
Nati Pitt is a good friend, and he actually was the one who recommended your channel to me.
And this was maybe a year ago or so.
Now, fun part is that he is actually Christian.
So I'm using this as an opportunity to some good old banter between us.
So I'm bant maxing my good friend Peter by having us bashing Christianity here.
So yeah.
Well, we can go.
We can give it a Trouncing if you want.
We can really dive into that.
I think Jordan Peterson is a brilliant paradigm to bring it up because there's a movement now where Christianity is really coming back strong among the dissident perspective.
And generally speaking, so like first caveat on top of this, let's just go into Jung before I really dive into it because we will give this a serious battery.
The first caveat is Carl Jung, some dude I really, really like.
And Jordan Peterson obviously read him to the depths.
And Jordan Peterson is basically the prophet of Carl Jung.
Jung basically says that we have our psyche, you know, we have our minds.
And within our minds, we have this structure.
And within this structure is, he calls them the archetypes, you know, but we have all these stabilizing forces.
And at the very center of our souls, our psyche is the self, he calls it, the throne of the self.
And Jesus Christ sits on the throne of the self for European people, is what Jung basically asserts.
And the idea that if you betray Jesus Christ, you betray yourself.
It's very, very dangerous.
If you try to get rid of Jesus Christ, you open yourself up to all sorts of like bewitchment by the most absurd and crazy things.
And so Jung's basic argument is that the reason why communism or the reason why the 20th century was so bizarre with so much like emotional, impulsive psychopathic movements, is because people were throwing away Christ for this sort of nihilistic Death Of God era and all sorts of like different gods were swooping in and taking control of the psyches, the psyches of people, and bewitching them.
So this is, this is Jung's basic idea.
Um now, of course you may disagree with that, and there's plenty of ways you can disagree with that.
But what Jordan Peterson does is he stands up and he reasserts that sort of Christian ethos and Christ himself in some sense, and this stabilizes an awful lot of people, as I said, in resistance to the Woke movement.
Now, I always found that very interesting.
But then there's always something like Nietzsche the scoundrel always left this thought in the back of my mind that was itching at me, where Nietzsche accuses Christianity of being the main force that is driving the liberal movement of the world, the should we say the delusional movement of the world.
Maybe we'll get into Nietzsche's stuff specifically, but he, he is always pointing out in Christianity that Christianity is seriously full of problems.
Christianity should not.
He says this in the Antichrist.
We should not deck out and embellish Christianity.
It has gone to war against all higher men.
It is the absolute enemy towards the highest, and it has done nothing but celebrate those who are weak, and it has made us botched and weak as a consequence.
Like these are extremely strong words, And I was well aware that Nietzsche is no fucking fool.
And I guess the best way I could describe this is to think about what does Jordan Peterson up here doing?
He's saying, there's a woke movement.
There's these communists.
The communists are back.
They're a woke movement in the universities and they're trying to swoop into our institutions and brainwash us towards this movement of equality where the useless and the resentful are going to take over.
And it kind of clicked to me one day.
It's like Christianity was the woke movement for Rome.
And this is not trivial.
Like if you look at the historical facts, the way that that happened, the way that that movement took over Rome follows the same pattern as the way the slow march of the institutions happened in the West or the way that the woke movement has gone into the universities.
Like it started by appealing to the people at the bottom of Roman society.
In some sense, you have to understand that it started out of the Judeans who had just been crushed by Rome itself.
Rome had just destroyed their home, which is like an egregiously terrible thing to happen to a people.
So of course they're going to be upset about it.
They're going to be bitter.
They're going to be like they're cast out into the world without a home.
They're now nomads.
They're not going to be friendly towards the Roman Empire.
And it's not like they'll forget about it anytime soon.
Like this is like thinking the Irish forget about the fact the English conquered them.
No, you stay bitter with this type of stuff.
And Rome was full of like, it's almost like, you know, the greedy capitalists these days.
Rome was full of all these Romans who conquer these places and they want slaves.
They want to like fuck a beautiful slave girl because there was the institution in Rome.
You could have your mistress as long as she was a slave and you had your wife and it's perfectly legal to bang your slave, let's put it this way.
So they all, you know, all Romans want a good-looking girl and you're going to have kids out of this.
All Romans want someone to clean the floors.
They need gladiators.
And so Rome was a slave state.
There was 30 to 40% of, I think, Rome towards the end was slaves.
It was a slave population that they were ruling over largely.
And they were harvesting all of the Middle East and pulling them all into Rome.
And you can even look at the genetics on this.
I'm sure you've seen this, but Rome.
Yeah, definitely.
Like Rome used to be basically French, like sort of Gallic, French, Celtic blood.
Then towards the peak of the empire, it was basically Middle Eastern because they were taking in so many slaves and maybe so many migrants and stuff like this.
Then after probably the golden lions of their day swooped down and conquered Rome, the Goths, they probably came in.
Yeah, I actually can elaborate briefly on this.
I will include a chapter on this in my upcoming book.
So basically, the start of Rome, Latins, so they were of the quoted were culture from, yeah, France and Germany.
So similar guys who went to Britain and Ireland, same guys who went to Netherlands, Scandinavia, and also to later Persia and even India.
So that is the original Indo-Europeans.
Then, of course, over the centuries, many bloody civil wars in Rome, and of course, many wars of conquest, the sort of noble lineages, they went out and got replaced by immigration from south and east, and especially during or after the fateful year of 212 AD, the Edict of Caracalla.
And some say he did this to increase the tax base of the empire, but he basically made everyone a citizen, all men, all free men, citizens.
So therefore, even more people from the Middle or Near East, I should say, and Africa could come to Rome.
And then after the Gothic and Lombard and Germanic invasions, Italy, the cities were sort of depopulated.
And Italy, at least north of Rome, it went back to a more Indo-European configuration.
But you still have a quite big split between southern Italy and northern Italy in terms of genetics.
So I think that A northern Italian man is closer to an English man than what he is to a southern Italian man.
I don't know the exact study, but something like a particular place in northern Italy compared to an Italian man from Calabria or something like that.
So, yeah, it was a big, big shift demographically in the Roman Empire.
And what I will say also in the book that the Gothic, when Alaric sacked Rome in 410 AD, those guys, they were probably more similar to the founders of Rome than the inhabitants of Rome that got sacked.
So, yeah, it's important to keep in mind that the Rome of the early heroic Republican days, that was not the same Rome that got sacked later.
As you mentioned in your video as well, by the way, you say that it was full of foreigners and they, of course, they could embrace Christianity that was not Roman.
And this is, I think, really, you have to think about this psychologically.
And you really have to use your imagination to put yourself back in this stage because it's like thinking of the imagine walking the founding fathers through modern America.
What the fuck have you done?
Like, Jesus Christ.
And it really comes down to this because the native, this is where you kind of have to understand paganism.
Again, Nietzsche talks about this.
Maybe I'll get into this in a moment.
But Nietzsche has this view of God.
Like people think he's an atheist, but it's like, no, he tries to model God in lots of different ways.
And so he talks about actually the God of Israel.
And he says, originally, these Israelis had this actually quite vitalistic, powerful God.
But this is when their God was like a pagan Yahweh that was for them.
And he was this, you know, Yahweh was the God of luck and rain and he was a punishing God.
And in the Bible, Moses stands up and he says, take Jericho.
And God says, yes, go down there, kill the women, enslave everybody, and conquer it.
This is yours.
And so this God is like clearly not the God that we're familiar with, the modern God we're familiar with.
This is the vengeful punishing God, the God that Richard Dawkins says is like crooked and cruel and not really a truly moral Lord at all.
And he, this God, like Joshua follows him and destroys this country.
And so what Nietzsche is basically saying is that like a God is a representation of the will to power, the vital energy of a collective of people.
So the God of the Jews is Yahweh.
It's a collective focal point for all their will.
In some sense, it's the living version of their spirit, if you think about it abstractly.
So this is what Jupiter or Wodan, this is what these characters are for us.
Like, you know, the Jupiter or Deus or Zeus is the collective will of the Roman people.
You could even say the Mediterranean people, but we'll go with the Romans for now.
And so Jupiter is this channeled expression of all this.
And the Romans were extremely pious people.
The word piety comes from the fucking Romans.
Most of our religious words come from the Romans, obviously because of Catholicism.
But piety, all these types of things.
The Romans were incredibly diligent and religious.
They looked at their success as a consequence of their religiousness and their piety.
They had monogamy.
They had all these type of things that people celebrate so much.
That was all there, you know?
And they were incredibly honorable towards their worship.
And they worshiped Jupiter and they saw the manifestation of Rome's success as almost like a consequence of them being honorable towards Jupiter, to worshiping Jupiter properly.
Jupiter is a representation of their collective will, their collective spirit.
But the thing is, is that if a foreigner goes in and worships Jupiter, that kind of doesn't make fucking much sense when you think about it.
It's like, why would I worship somebody else's spirit?
It's like cuckoldry, spiritual cuckoldry.
And in fact, when the Romans would conquer a people, this is exactly how they would enforce this.
They would cuckold the people spiritually.
When they conquered the Gauls, for example, they wiped out their gods.
They actually understood their gods, but they asserted Jupiter as the supreme god who cooks all the other gods.
They did this to the Judeans.
They went into Judea and they were sort of like, Yeah, you can worship your fucking made-up god, Yahweh, or whatever it is, but Jupiter's comes on top.
Jupiter will be in the temple.
Jupiter is who you bow to.
Jupiter is the because you have to acknowledge that we're better than you.
So clearly, our will to power is superior.
So you're going to worship us first as the dominant, the dominators.
But of course, you can have your little gods around that.
That's no problem at all.
Like, we don't mind that.
In fact, we encourage that.
And they had an intellectual institution to explore that called Greco Interprete or Roman Interpretato.
And the point being is that this schema actually kind of made sense: that you have the vital, almost ethnic God as the ruling, dominating God to represent the dominating people.
And then you had the other gods would have been put in different pedestals.
Now, foreigners don't want to do this.
People don't want to be cuckolded spiritually, you know.
So it's very hard to identify with the native god.
It's very hard to identify with Jupiter.
So if you build up a slave state that's 40% not those people, you are going to have you basically have an entire nearly a majority that is not you.
And this becomes a serious issue.
So these people are not going to like sit around and hang out together.
They're going to have a culture together.
They're going to talk together.
They're not going to worship Jupiter.
That's just absurd.
So they're going to sit down and say to themselves, who are we?
And they're going to sort of look for an identity.
And of course, their gods have been long defeated.
It won't make sense to believe them.
But then we have this religion that comes in that's that's very universalist, that's very accepting of the lowest.
It doesn't have this supremacy that it's like, well, look, you can't worship like Jupiter is the Roman God and the Romans are the aristocrats here and the landowners and the farmers.
So instead, it's sort of like you're the city dweller.
You have no destiny, no identity.
The Romans have turned you into a slave, which is a terrible experience to go through.
But so, and then Christ comes along, this Christianity comes along and it offers to them an identity.
And it says, Look, even though you're a slave, even though you're nothing, you can be one in Christ.
And this is very similar to this woke minority thing that you're seeing nowadays.
That we have the dominant, you could say the vitalistic Woden or Jupiter is now representative actually of the Christian God for us nowadays.
That's the Western God, if you will, in many ways.
And what's astounding is that the woke thing comes in and does the same description, just like communism came into Russia and said, Listen, you downtrodden, you drunks, you alcoholics, you prostitutes, you people who you're not the kulak and you're not the monarchy because they're just oppressive tyrants, they're evil.
But you, you're special, you're the comrades, you're the people who understand equality, you're the people who can instantiate the utopia.
So let's all get together and let's take out these monarchs and reconfiscate the land off these kulaks and set this this whole project into a new a new order, a new utopia that will work out.
So Christianity comes in and presents itself exactly this way.
The demographics are astounding.
You see Tertullian talk about this, one of the church fathers.
He was from North Africa.
And he talks about how Christianity was an urban movement of the bureaucracies and the populations, which is where all the slaves would be in the cities.
And the rural pagans were all the Roman stock and they were all pagan.
You know, all the Roman stock were in the or they were the aristocrats or the rural places.
They were all Pagans.
They were all worshiping the old gods because that's their ethnic god.
And so these, unfortunately, these they were stupid.
They took in all these slaves and then they reaped a terrible whirlwind as a consequence a couple of centuries down the line.
It was like, you know, as a short-sightedness, if you want to put it this way.
Definitely.
I'm just going to interject.
Sorry.
I need to interject with the in terms of syncretism.
So I would say that since the other European pagans at the time, so in Gaul and in Britannia and the parts of Germania, today's Germany, Netherlands, they had the same Deus Pater or however we shall pronounce it, but the original gods, Zotur in Norse mythology, a Germanic religion, same as Jupiter.
So you have the similarities that you can also see in ancient Persia and India.
So I would say it was easier for the other Europeans to sort of merge into the Roman spirituality.
Whereas for the Judeans and the Carthaginians, these peoples on the other side of the Mediterranean, I'd say that for them to accept Jupiter, it was a much, much bigger step to take.
Whereas for a Celt in Gaul, it was only, yeah, it's a very similar god to their own head of the pantheon.
So yeah, I just wanted to interject there.
And that's a very interesting point.
And there's a lot of interesting historical things that I haven't quite figured out yet.
But for example, the Aryan Christianity that came down from the Goths, where they basically say that Jesus was not necessarily the Son of God.
He was sort of like a divine mystic who was bringing the truth of the world.
Yeah, exactly.
So there is one reason, and I think I'm paraphrasing Stephen Flowers here, one of my favourite authors, and he said that they did this.
So the Goths, they embraced Aryan Christianity.
So that's not Aryan as an Indo-European, but Aryan as with Bishop Arius from Egypt.
And yeah, as you say, Jesus was not a god in their view, but they did this.
They embraced this type of Christianity to get in with the Roman Empire by being Christian, but also they didn't want to be Catholics or the mainstream Christianity of the day because they still wanted to maintain a certain ethnic separation between them and the population of the Roman Empire.
So that can be used as to explain why the Goths went on a sort of middle way between, you know, still Christian, but not the exact same as the other Christians to keep that sort of ethnic distinction.
But yeah, they still went to Christianity, of course, to yet to gain in with on the good foot with the with the Romans.
Yeah, it's it's a fascinating thing to explore.
Maybe we can get into it in a minute because it like it opens so many interesting questions.
Like an awful lot of them just accepted Jesus.
You know, they're like, Jesus is this great guy that all of us worship.
And they're like, sweet, we'll put him alongside Thor and the boys.
That's like this sort of this sort of idea.
And they're like, wait, what are you doing?
No, it's different.
It's like, no, no, it's fine.
He fits right in.
Like, it's fine.
He seems really cool.
Yeah.
He reminds me of whatever.
So we'll stick him in there.
Yeah, and I mean, that's how they did it as well.
They presented Christ as a conquering hero, a conquering warrior, a king, a warrior, a king.
That is how he was presented to these Germanic peoples.
And I did review a book review on my page.
Everyone reads my book reviews, I'm sure.
I say that to guilt, I guilt strip people into reading my book reviews because I know they aren't as popular.
Yeah, I'm using some slave tactics against my followers here.
But that's a really good book list.
The early Christianization, the early Germanization of Christianity by James Russell, if I get the title of the book right.
But yeah, he basically details how Christianity had to reshape itself to fit in with the Germanic psyche to be more presentable to the Germanic peoples in the early Middle Ages.
And I think what's so fascinating about this, because I was trying to draw it down to a first principle, is this is very uncomfortable for people because this is.
I actually think there's quite a lot of evidence for this.
There's this biological realism underneath what we might call ideology or spiritual reality.
And that's almost impossible to push out of the way.
Another example of this I like to bring up with people is Northern Ireland.
Like there's states up in Northern Ireland that they've done genetic tests on that have been beside each other for maybe four centuries.
Estates.
We're not talking about villages.
We're talking about estates.
And in these estates, one would be Protestant, the other would be Catholic.
And they tested the genetics of the Protestants and they traced them.
They'd be Scottish, basically.
And they test the Catholics and they're all like Southern Irish, basically.
And that's just beyond belief how exact that is.
That the culture obviously was really antagonistic.
But the point being is that the religion is a perfect, perfect face or mask for ethnic conflict.
And you see this when you look at the maps of Europe, you know, like the Protestant Revolution was a Germanic revolution.
Like all of the Gothic Germanic, all of the Aryan Christians, you know, that's what Protestantism was actually sort of looked like.
And Catholicism, like it's so funny that Ireland's Catholic, you know, because the Irish in some sense, we see ourselves as like more, we're akin to the Meds, you know, we sort of see ourselves as like coming from Spain and stuff like this.
And we have this separation.
And obviously, like, it's not that strict.
We've blended with like the Normans.
We've obviously blended with the English and stuff like that.
But we still have that sort of legacy where we understand ourselves as a people from the south.
And you see this and you realize that it's like, all right, Catholicism is Ireland, France, Spain, Portugal, Italy, all these type of things.
And that's the Mediterranean world.
And the Protestants are up there.
Poland's a little bit of a fucking problem because it kind of sticks out like a sore thumb.
But then the Slavs are all Orthodox, you know?
And you see, that's the racial divide in Europe, basically.
Med, North, and Slav.
And these things are just firm, man.
It's bizarre when you see it.
And so do you want me to continue going back into Christianity?
Do you have any thoughts on that?
Yeah, I thought we could actually talk about the beautiful and the lower spirit of Ireland.
But we can get into that after we, if you have something else to say about Christianity, so we sort of wrap this up.
I wanted to ask you about another origins story, how you got sort of enlightened, how your first encounter with master and slave morality, if you have any sort of like personal anecdote to share.
Sweet.
Well, I think, yeah, the Christian Rome will be a very, very good way to go into this.
So what basically happens is, again, back to that Christianity thing, like Tertullian and all these characters are pointing out that the urban slaves and they've got their like savvy Vladimir Lenin type bureaucrats, like the church fathers and stuff like this.
Now it's quite an egregious slander, but this is sort of the frame.
These guys rile these people up and then they very successfully penetrate into the elites.
They penetrate into the institutions.
Constantine obviously permits Christianity and then it's just basically a tidal way from there.
This huge slave state is just can't hold the Roman pagan religion anymore.
It's like the death of the Roman Empire is happening.
Christianity is like the woke movement that shows up at the end.
When the Romans have made their mistakes and become weak, Christianity is like their punishment.
It's the symptom of their failures and this type of thing.
And so they have this communist revolution.
Of course, it's so similar to communism where they're like, all right, the utopia is going to come when we all convert.
It'll be the kingdom of heaven.
Everybody will be equal.
Same principles in Christianity.
We're going to take over.
The kingdom of heaven will be achieved.
Everybody will be saved.
All this type of stuff.
And of course, none of that stuff happens.
19 years after they ban temple worship in Jupiter and they finalize Christianity and get its achievement 19 years later, like of an 800, nearly a thousand-year empire.
19 years after they make this big conversion, the fecking, you know, the golden, the fecking golden ones of the day, the goths are charging in conquering Rome.
They're sacking Rome.
And it's like, you know, how can you tell a better story than this?
This is exactly what you see.
The tree shows you its fruits.
It's completely failed.
It was not some type of glorious thing that saved everything.
An awful lot of people say everything went over East, but it's like, come on, lads.
Like, let's look at the blunt reality here.
They converted and got invaded.
Like, come on, how are we clear going to be?
And you have stuff like City of God with Augustine straight away afterwards, trying to rationalize this stuff, explaining how it's paganism's fault.
And you see all the same things as like after communism took over, there was the gulag, the holiday more, all these horrible things happened.
French Revolution, after that conquer happened, the Reign of Terror.
It's this idealism that leads to delusion, which is actually masking something much more ugly, which is almost like resentment and even worse, ethnic resentment that's going underneath it.
And then once this gains authority, what you realize something very, very quickly is that ethnic resentment does not mean organizational sophistication, does not mean competence.
So those old Roman pagans won because they were the creators.
They were the strong, the intelligent, the organizers.
That's why they created this empire.
These people who ethnically resented it, or these people who just resented it all over, they don't necessarily have the organizational skill to set up a new Rome, even though they'll say they do.
And so when they conquer Rome, it just falls apart and it's just complete collapse.
And this actually tells you an awful lot about the nature of master and slave morality: it's bitterness, it's envy.
It's saying, I can do a better job if you just give me power.
I'll make it more equal.
I'll make it more free, whatever.
And then they get power and then it just all falls apart because they have no fucking clue what they're doing.
Yeah.
So that kind of, yeah, maybe that'll be our bridge into this.
Yeah, certainly, certainly.
So yeah, I posted yesterday, St. Patrick's Day.
I thought it would be a good day to share an excerpt from my upcoming book where I talk about so the chapter itself, it's about the higher and lower, of course, heavily influenced by the teachings of Nietzsche.
Also, my own enlightenment journey, sort of when I began to understand a master and slave morality, and when I began mainly during my fitness journey, so this was actually before I encountered the sensations before I began to began my metapolitical journey.
But it was only, yeah, maybe a few years ago that I could articulate it in a different way.
So I noticed that my supporters were always like good-looking, fit, positive, life-affirming, high thumbas guys.
And all of my detractors were always of like the same style, very wrong-looking to put it to put it mildly.
But I noticed it.
And at first, I was sort of, I thought it was only myself that sort of presented it in that way that, you know, everyone who disagrees with me is wrong.
But it was true.
I noticed it so many, so many times over so many years.
So, and then, of course, I understood that those who reacted negatively upon my online presence when I posted physique, etc., the guys with a master morality, they could see it as a nice positive uplifting, good advice, stuff like that.
And the ones driven by resentiment, driven by slave morality, they would only see it as a sort of insult because they felt a bit inadequate in response.
So, yeah, anyway, that about the chapter.
But I note also in the chapter that there are two spirits in Ireland, two Irish spirits.
You have the beautiful spirit, which is sort of, it expresses itself in Irish art, Irish music, Irish beauty.
Even the land itself, Ireland is very, very beautiful, has a magical vibe to it.
And then you also have the lower spirit, which is also very present in the United States.
And that spirit, it sort of orients itself against the Anglo-Saxon higher.
And then you have that sort of conflict in Ireland today as well.
And I can see it as well.
In, you know, there's a lot of things, a lot politically going on in Ireland at the moment.
And I see these two spirits, you know, almost side by side.
You have one driven by an actual love for Ireland, for Irish bioculture, and that is the beautiful spirit.
And then you have the sort of resentmental spirit driven against an aversion against the English.
So yeah, since you are checking in from good old Ireland, from the Emerald Isle, I thought to ask you if you have any take on the matter.
Yeah, well, this is actually my opportunity to demand reparations for the Vikings stealing all my books.
I have hidden them away in my arcane library.
I'm sorry.
No one will get them back.
We have a lot of Irish manuscripts and we have the silver Bible from the Czechs in Uppsala.
But yeah, we need to keep them for esoteric purposes.
Well, I'll just send one of my UPS drivers up there.
You can just pop them in and send them back and we'll call it even.
Maybe with a couple of million dollars on top of it as well.
I heard in America they're getting some reparations planned where they're going to give them like $500,000 each or something like that.
So I'm kind of like in that ballpark.
We can call it even.
Oh, right, right.
Okay.
But I think this is, yeah, like it's very interesting, me reading Nietzsche.
Nietzsche was almost like the vaccine for slave morality, you know?
So I read Nietzsche as an Irish guy and it's like, it's so funny because, you know, you always want to be the good guy.
And Nietzsche is basically framing the master as in some sense like quite good.
And then you read this and you realize, oh my God, I'm coming from a slave population.
Fuck what's going on shit.
And I notice resentment everywhere.
I read through it and I'm like, oh man, this is like, we're not dealing with master problems, I put it this way.
And of course, it's very like down to earth and logical.
Like people do struggle with this theory a lot.
But just think of the relationship between a winner and a loser, you know?
Like that's the simplest one you can imagine.
So in sports, you know, think of a boxer.
Like, why does he win?
Like, he might have genetic talents that make him better than somebody.
Or maybe we could say a school fight to make it more in the real world.
So there's a guy and he's like grown.
He's big and strong.
His mother fed him proper milk.
His dad taught him how to fight.
His dad made him assertive and confident.
And this guy is the jock.
He's the Chad.
And if you think of like American Pie or something like this, he's like the guy in the football team, square jawed, blonde, tall, these type of things, broad-shouldered.
And his experience is very naturalistic.
He's not very, like, he doesn't have to think through what he is.
Instead, his experience is very much instinctive and passionate.
He's good with girls because he's always been good with girls.
He never had to figure it out.
He never had to go and learn game or anything like this.
He's good at sports because he's a specimen.
It was something that just kind of came natural to him.
He's just built well and stuff like this.
And this guy's experience is quite jolly and quite happy.
He's usually very, very friendly.
He might be like, you know, maybe he can push people around a little bit sometimes and he can be a bit aggressive or crude at times or he's like overconfident at times.
But it's very well-meaning generally.
Like he's quite light in his spirit.
He's quite funny.
He's quite sometimes even a little bit shallow, but in a kind of like funny, bombastic, nearly cute way, if you want to put it this way.
This is the winner.
You know this type of archetype.
You know this type of character.
He's happy-go-lucky.
He's successful.
Everything goes his way.
He's strong.
He's mighty.
He's attractive.
The girls love him.
Like, this is, you know, what kind of people, if you think, I think I heard Andrew Tate say this, it's like, if you were up with God and he was like, make your video game character, which would you choose?
An ugly person or a strong, badass person?
Like, of course, you're going to make it easy on yourself.
So, this guy is kind of like favored by the gods, if you want to put it this way.
Now, there's also these other dudes, the nerds, the loser, the geek who's in the high school, and he has had none of these things.
Maybe his mother was a smoker or something like this.
And so he was frail.
He grew up weaker.
He didn't get fed as well because his parents weren't educated on the danger of soybean oil.
And so he was like, you know, or they got into veganism or something like this.
And so he becomes decrepit.
He gets slacked jawed.
And then he grows up and his parents can't discipline him and teach him to like avoid video games.
And so he starts to get like video game hunchneck.
And he turns into a bit of a fucking loser.
He goes into school and for all these physical reasons, he's bad at sports.
He can't hang out with the boys then.
So he's stuck by his lonesome.
Then when he like looks at all these beautiful blonde girls and stuff like this, and these Stacies and they're like beautiful, sexy young girls like running into their primes.
He's looking at them like, oh my God, I wish I could have one of those, but he can't because they kind of look at him and compare him to Chad, I guess.
And it's like, this guy is terrible.
And so this guy's experience is actually quite horrific.
Now, of course, there's a problem here because the reason why it is is because of like terrible choices decades beforehand, which are like this is sort of Nietzsche's idea of like, how do you actually save people like this from suffering?
Well, you actually have to help them develop themselves properly.
And the more you can do it at the root of their lives, the better.
But we'll put that aside for the time being.
This dude is botched.
This dude is unfortunate.
He's not well turned out, is the phrase that Nietzsche often says.
He didn't turn out well.
That's absolutely brutal.
But this is the consequences of ignorance in these topics.
So this is what you get.
Now, what is this guy's psychology like?
This guy's psychology is going to be a combination of self-hate.
He's going to have the same sexual urges that Chad has, but he can't express them.
Now, this is terrible because all this energy is boiling up inside of his loins, if you will, but he can't fulfill it.
So it circles around inside of his body and it attacks him.
It becomes, it goes to war against him.
And it might make him hate himself.
It might make him want to hurt himself.
He might become depressed, you know, like pent-up energy.
He becomes depressed.
He becomes anxious.
He goes into the mirror and he looks at himself and he scratches his skin.
He says, I hate myself.
I'm so fucking ugly and stupid and useless.
And he might look at the Chad and he might say, oh, fucking that dude.
Like, he's resentful.
He's bitter.
He's got all that desire for the good-looking girl, but he can't have her because this guy, this guy's like fun and laughing.
And, you know, you'd feel that kind of feeling.
You'd be like, fucking, I don't like seeing him win because I'm not winning.
I'm not happy.
And so he has this energy inside of himself.
And it's a very, very dangerous thing, very volatile, very powerful as well.
It's like anger.
It's frustration.
It's a lot an awful lot of things.
Now, this is where Nietzsche becomes a profound psychologist because he's basically explaining to you that with this, what you're experiencing is very normal.
Envy is extremely normal, extremely useful.
In fact, if you interpret envy properly, you will understand that envy is your soul or your energy or your will telling you that you see something that you want.
This nerd looks at Chad and says, I want to be like that guy.
In some sense, the virtues that Chad has are things that I need to learn.
So this is like, you know, hit the gym, become more physical, take control of your destiny.
This is what this loser could learn from this situation.
He could realize, fuck, I'm a pencil-necked dork.
Let's change this shit.
Let's go start smashing back the whey protein and getting bigger, badder, and stronger.
And maybe in like two or three years, with the help of like puberty, he could actually be on the football team and he could be living, he could be one of the boys, high five in this guy.
And this would be, you could say, a very heroic reaction to a bad situation.
Like a slave, a failure, a loser can definitely turn the situation around.
There's no destiny really in this stuff.
Like it's really like up to you what you do with this.
So when you get hit with these bad situations, the nerd can change the situation.
But of course, it can also go in other directions.
It very, very easily can.
The nerd can decide not to do that.
He can sit down and he can think to himself, I hate this Chad, but I want to fuck Stacey.
I want her.
I need her.
And so he can get riled up and he can sort of say to himself, I'm never going to be able to be on that football team.
What can I do here?
You know, and this is where, again, it could become a little bit creative.
He might come up with this alternate lifestyle.
He might become an artist.
He might start playing guitar.
The Chad will never be able to compete with him as the sensitive young man artist.
So that could be his winning play.
Or he might do all sorts of things.
But these strategies, he become a poet, become an intellectual, whatever.
But these strategies can also go quite wrong.
They can do things that are quite interesting, but also a little bit distorted.
So, for example, this guy might come up with this very crazy idea of like, all right, I need to be around that girl.
I can't present this masculinity because I'm not masculine.
So maybe he would be like, I'll pretend to be a gay guy.
So I'll like, you know, and I'll drop my hand.
I'll start getting the voice on.
I'm like, oh my God.
And then I'll go to Stacey and I'll be like, your hair is like so gorgeous.
And then they'll start hanging around with her.
And of course, deep down, he still wants to be with her.
He says, I actually knew a dude in my high school, my secondary school that was like this.
It was hilarious.
Like he was very flamboyantly gay.
He got in with all the girls.
And then the story got out that he was like, you know, he'd get drunk with them and then he'd basically have his way with them all.
And I was like, what the fuck?
Like, how, what is going on?
So he, this, this, this strategy, you know, you see it before.
But anyway, this dude, he's, he's hanging around with her and he wants her.
And so he might do stuff like slander Chad.
He'd call, he'd call Chad.
This is where you're seeing this idea of slave morality happen, slave worldview happen.
He's saying that everything that Chad is is bad.
Athleticism is barbarian.
And the way his confidence is low consciousness.
His bombast, his beauty is like crudishness, his laziness is mean.
You might say he's like so toxically masculine.
I'm sure you've heard that before, you know, he doesn't understand women's realities.
Whereas me, you know, I'm very sensitive, so I understand this stuff.
And maybe Stacey gets bewitched by this.
Who knows?
And then she starts to fall for this guy.
And maybe he starts getting second thoughts.
He might even begin to lie to her about Chad.
He might say, oh, Chad's cheating on you and stuff like this.
And this causes this divide.
And then this guy ends up being able to pull Stacey away from Chad, at the very least, ruin their relationship, or maybe even get her for himself.
And so you see this operation going on here.
It's the psychology of a loser and a winner and how it can go from positive to toxic.
Now, if you have any thoughts on that, we can pause it there or I can run into Ireland and England.
Yeah, no, I think that's a perfect way to explain it.
I think that's great to frame it in a context, which I have seen this sort of reframing of good and bad quite a lot is just, you know, physique posts.
Because whenever you see someone, especially, you know, beautiful fitness model guy, a young European fitness model, being posted physique, and then you see the comments there.
And this is something I saw a lot early on as well.
Not about me, but just, you know, famous fitness models and stuff like that.
And you see, the comments are full of guys, mainly, of course, saying that, you know, how good is his cardio?
Like, who cares how good his cardio is?
It's only a way for them to be like, you know, I need to comment something to feel less bad about myself.
Or someone says, oh, I bet this guy couldn't last 10 minutes outside in the wilderness.
Or some other guy says, oh, I bet this guy can't fight.
Or then a fourth guy says, oh, this guy's muscles, they're only for show.
So you have all of this slave morality reactions where you try to reframe the beauty of the fitness model into something that is actually bad.
So he's actually, he's actually shallow and he's actually stupid.
He's actually unmanly.
He's actually not a good fighter because some reason.
And he is boring because he spends time in the gym.
And these guys say this, they are, of course, spending twice the amount of time watching Netflix on the sofa eating bad food.
So that was sort of an early slave morality observation on my part that how just a beautiful fitness model guy could trigger so much hate by just existing.
I think that's like such a brilliant way to illustrate this.
And I guess you could say a practical way it shows up because like understand this psychology.
It's so important to understand this to really get a good grip on what Nietzsche is saying.
There's something in human nature that hates success.
Like we have a deep seed towards success.
And it kind of makes sense because if you're not the success, if you see somebody else winning, that's almost never really good for you on some level.
You know, it's like, you know, it's not, it means you're not winning.
Like if you're watching someone else win, it means you're not there.
And that's never going to sit right with your soul.
Your soul always wants to be a part of it.
It's like people all know this in like sales, FOMO, you know, fear of missing out.
Oh, I've got like this brilliant product or I've got Bitcoin and it's going up.
You better get on Torah.
People don't want to miss out.
And so seeing success means somebody's getting the girl.
Like these things are actually very binary in nature.
If some guy is like getting the girl, it means that he's going to use that girl's womb for nine months to make his progeny and you will not.
And that's very dangerous in nature.
And so we're wired to be deeply triggered by this because nature actually wants us like lions to go up and fight that dude to make sure that you're the one that's breeding with the girl, not him.
And so nature makes you aggressive towards him very, very naturally.
And so there's this natural instinct to dislike success and dislike achievers and be envious towards this type of stuff.
Of course, people can misinterpret their passions.
People always misinterpret their emotions because their emotions are incredibly complex.
So when your emotion screams envy at you, it's very easy for you to distort that and turn it into a rationalization or an excuse.
This is also a part of human nature.
Instead of saying, fuck, I should go and compete against that guy, you'll turn around and say, you'll try to rationalize that there's something wrong with him.
And this is where you start getting into this very, very dangerous type of morality.
It's like what I was describing with the gay guy.
You distort it too much and you start to go into like you start to falsify the way that the world works.
So for in this instance, a beautiful fitness model, you're doing this egregious thing where you're saying like, oh, he's not that beautiful or he's a bad personality.
You've heard this type of stuff.
Or even more petty little things.
It's like he doesn't know jiu-jitsu or a powerlifter saying, well, you know, I'm stronger than him.
It's like, yeah, bro, like, but you're just trying to demoralize this guy because you're not him.
And like, you're clearly seething about something, this type of thing.
And what you're, this is what's so dangerous about this.
This is why it's bad is that in the process of rationalizing against the beautiful, the high, the triumphant, you're actually devaluing that in and of itself.
This is truly, I think, the essence of slave morality is that there are beautiful things.
There are objective, beautiful, successful things in the world.
They're like our goals.
These are the things we actually want.
And if you come up with some type of resentful rationalization to say that they aren't valuable, you're on a very fast track to something bad.
Like if you say, oh, bodybuilding's stupid, because maybe you got bitch mad about some fucking physique poster, golden one in a boat saying that I'm coming to steal your books or something like this, and you get mad about it.
And so you say, I'm going to be a powerlifter from now on.
And then you get really fat and then you do nothing but eat, overeat, and then lift weights and all this stuff.
And you say, like, I'm a big man because I can lift heavy weights.
It's like, well, wait a second, bro.
Like, you've made this hugely emotional decision.
You've basically gone completely against, and you might have even fucked your joints up in the process of all these types of things.
You know what I mean?
Like, this can actually lead to mistakes.
Same way as like, you know, some fighter who's trying to prove he's a tough guy because some bodybuilder got the girl.
And so he goes and he goes hard boxing and ends up getting like, you know, too many concussions from sparring irresponsibly.
And then ends up with like actually an issue because he was just trying to prove to himself he's a tough dude because some guy took his girl when he was like 16 or something like this.
It's like, wow, like, look at the kind of cycle of relationships.
Or a bodybuilder can do the same thing.
Some boxer can like look cooler than him and he can try to overcompensate by going on roids and end of like fucking up his hormones or something like this.
Like these are maybe specific examples, but I think you know what I'm talking about.
Yeah.
So in relationship between people, first of all, would you like to say anything on that?
And then I'll go into the Irish and English.
Yeah, no, I think that's a good segue to the Irish and English.
So with the Irish and English, like this dynamic plays out between tribes.
This is where things become quite shocking, quite difficult, because I would argue, I would point that I'd say if you went to Rome during early Christianity, you would find much, many of these phenomenons happening.
You would have like these slaves resentful towards the Roman conquerors.
And the Romans would have been beautiful, aristocratic, and the slaves would have been unfortunately very botched because they were slaves.
They would have been like, you know, had the worst food.
They would have been the underclass.
They would have been the people who they would have been slaves.
They would have been like, you know, hurt for centuries.
So they would have had this natural resentment towards the Romans.
And this is the kind of danger of a communist movement or a slave movement and all this.
Now, this relationship between tribes is very, very scary, but it's also probably Nietzsche's most sophisticated and important gift, I guess, to us psychologically, because he comes up with a way to categorize why weak people, you could basically say like left-wingers, are one of the most dangerous sources of evil in our world, if you want to put it this way.
Evil is not obviously a word he'd use.
But he helps us categorize why we should be seriously mistrustful of people who are promulgating the lower forces, if you want to put it this way, because they're actually at war with what is beautiful.
And the great educational process that European man needs to go through is to learn, to develop a sort of a religious understanding of this emotional state.
And we're going to have to go through an awful lot of pain to learn this.
Communism for the Russians was their way of developing that immune system.
Look at what had to happen to them for them to have it drilled into their thick skulls.
That it's like, you cannot, cannot let people just bullshit you into these situations because they will destroy you.
They will rip your skin off in public and pull your wife's pregnant baby out of her stomach because they hate you that much.
You don't understand how dark hate is.
You just don't get it, you know?
And the same with the French Revolution.
The French Revolution sounded beautiful.
But when they achieved the conquest and they cut off the heads of the monarchs, the mask came off and you saw that toxic nerd resentment cropped out of them.
And they went around and they butchered people, man.
They hunted down the Protestants and they made sure that those prods got fucked.
They attacked.
They were merciless.
And it took Napoleon, a Superman, to come in and whip them into shape.
Napoleon said that he was during this in the streets in France.
He was tasked with controlling one of the mobs.
And he described how that kind of, you know, it read, that was his red pill moment where he realized that it was like a sort of a resentful biological phenomenon he was dealing with because these people were just like festering monsters.
They were just like, there was like animals just attacking, you know, aimlessly.
There was just no, it was just crazy.
You couldn't believe what he was seeing.
And so I know this because being Irish, we are full of this energy towards the English because the English conquered us.
The English put us underneath their foot.
They, you know, they were involved in the famine that ended up starving us.
These are really egregious things to do to us.
This made us like worse off.
It destroyed our genetic heritage.
We had 8 million people and that got cut down to three.
Like that's astounding the type of wounds you take off something like this.
And we developed like a very, very dark chip in our shoulder.
In fact, the reason why the revolution happened was because of the famine.
And what was going on is that we just absolutely despise them.
We hate them.
Fuck these dudes.
Like they're not our friends.
They're out to hurt us.
And we have this like negative energy towards them at all points.
And again, you can understand this.
It's like what I said with the slave, the nerd.
It's okay to feel angry and envious if you're going to use it as motivation to make yourself better.
The Irish sort of maybe used it to get their nation back.
And it's like, all right, well, what are you going to do with this nation now?
And it's like, we're going to turn it into EU globo homo thing.
And it's like, you're fucking idiots, right?
You waste of that, but the point being is that, like, you can use it.
And so, maybe we got motivated to do this stuff.
But there's always a danger, there's always a residual issue where you can start to demoralize what is beautiful, like I said.
And so, when I look at the English, this is what Nietzsche taught me to do.
It's like, I can't just turn around and do what us Irish people tend to do, which is we call them arrogant and we call them basically Sauron.
They're like implicitly evil.
Everything they want to do is short-sighted and arrogant and aggressive and unthinking.
And they're obviously guilty just on first principle.
And they've sort of got this like evil instinct inside of them that they're too stupid to understand.
This is sort of the worldview we have inside of our heads about the English.
And this is also absolves us of many things.
Like the Irish don't have to turn around and be like, you know, maybe the English conquered us because the English were more sophisticated, organized, more serious, more diligent, more disciplined as a people as a whole, more idealistic, more, more like, you know, they created one of the biggest empires in the world for a reason.
They had many, many profound traits.
But we don't want to acknowledge that stuff.
Now, what's interesting, because we're in denial of that, we can't develop those traits.
Because I am a slave who says, oh, everything the master Englishman represents is bad.
What's interesting is that I can't turn around to my friends and say, let's get organized.
Instead, it's okay for me and my friends to be drunk because we're little poets.
We're the little poor Irish people who are just hanging around in our villages and the English tyrants are just coming to get us and they're just interrupting our drinking sessions.
What terrible, terrible English people.
It's like, well, maybe we should stop fucking being drunk all the time.
We should sit down and think about how we get fucking organized.
How do we actually run a nation that's idealistic?
What does it mean to be beautiful and to be high and to be successful?
Those, like, think how much bigger the English think than we do.
The English conquered the world.
We just barely conquered our own island.
And that was the horizon of our ambitions.
And that's actually quite small.
And this is the kind of problem with the pettiness of this type of slave thinking: it brings you down to a low level.
So when I look at this stuff, I start to see the power in it.
Like, first of all, as I said, that resentment motivated us to win our nation back.
It created a very profound political movement that was very creative.
But on the flip side, it also has this resentment that self-limits it, that stops you from actually understanding what true high potential is, true, like the highest beauty that you could aim for.
And this is where you, I think, you need to learn to overcome that resentment and understand the consciousness of a true master, a true winner.
Because how does the Englishman think?
Like the Englishman, maybe not now, and we'll get into that now in a second.
But the English, the conqueror, the Germanic conqueror, is not caught up with like petty wars with his neighbor.
He's thinking about like the biggest goals of all.
How do I take over the world?
How do I create the highest culture?
How do I reach towards the very apex of the skies and stuff like this?
That type of big thinking is actually incredibly profound and rare in the world.
But that's truly what I think defines a conqueror, a master, a true winner in that type of sense.
And so that's, I think, really important.
If you have any thoughts on that, I'll rock into maybe more psychology in there, but I'd love to see what you're asking.
Yeah, sure.
I'll just say the following: that so when I mentioned the beautiful Irish spirit and the lower Irish spirit, they were, of course, present back in the day as well.
So maybe 100 years ago, you had a sort of cultural revival movement in Ireland as well with the GAAs, the Gaelic Athletic Gaelic Athletic Association.
Yeah, yeah, that's it.
That's it.
And stuff like that, you know, revival of the language, revival of many of these beautiful things.
So I would say that you had almost like two spirits also working.
And perhaps these two spirits went to war in the Irish Civil War.
Now, I'm no expert in that particular war, but at least looking at the sort of build up to the war for freedom, you have at least the beautiful spirit.
It is in there as well.
You know, The Irish sense for you know being masters of their own destiny and using their own beautiful uh things, which is you know, language, culture, art, stuff like that.
So, uh, yeah, just wanted to have that said.
Yeah, so this is a very interesting conception.
Um, I think the way I ground these categorizations, and of course, like they're yours, so you can do what you wish with them.
But I was saying earlier that you have a loser and he feels envy, he gets riled up with emotion about a situation, he gets angry and frustrated.
Now, he has a variety of different responses to this, you know.
So, as I said, he could pretend to be a gay man so he can get in with Stacey and falsify and say that Chad is not cool, like Chad is like a grug or something like this.
Now, you could maybe argue that that type of like distortion is highly creative, but it's kind of resentful and it's a little bit dangerous.
Or he could sit and he could be butt mad and play his video games and say, I don't even want girls.
He'd become like a black-pilled incel or something like this.
That's also a possibility, too.
Now, you could argue that these are very, very negative responses.
Like, these are responses that are not dealing with the situation well.
And you could categorize that they're like, as you're calling them, lower.
That's that lower, resentful emotion.
So, this would be like the Irish man that's stomping his foot and blaming the English for all the world's problems and just like fucking angry and sort of saying, You know what I'm gonna do?
I'm gonna make a Moltov cocktail or I'm gonna walk into a pub, wrap a load of nails around in a cloth, and drop it in the middle of the thing and blow off a load of like English women and children and husbands' faces because I'm just fucking angry.
And it's like, that's you know, that's ugly, that's disgusting.
Like, what are you doing?
You're just like, It's how, how can you do this?
Is terrorism?
Like, how can you do something like that?
That's that's horrific.
Yeah, but then there's better reactions, like you can turn around and you can take the punch in the jaw and be like, These fuckers beat us, they were more organized, but we're we're gonna, we're gonna fucking, we're gonna write, we're gonna compete, we're gonna go and we're gonna work and we're gonna build ourselves up and come back.
And in fact, this is what this Irish legacy movement you're talking about was like: like, there's a lot of people who are like, if we are going to win, we need to know who the fuck we are.
And so, you had all these poets spending this deep amount of time trying to fill out the Irish destiny.
And actually, in fairness to the English, there was loads of like Anglo-Protestants like Yates and all this that were huge contributors towards this.
And these guys were like creative.
They're like, you know, we're going to get organized.
We're going to build our own sports movements.
We're going to work on our language.
You had these people making great sacrifices to be creative.
And this creativity actually is what worked.
Like, we created such a powerful identity.
We have one of the strongest identities in the modern world, maybe rivaling like the Jews of the white people, I guess you could say, which is interesting because both slave populations.
Nonetheless, we go and we transform, we build, we create, and we focus that like that aggressive energy and building and creating.
And even like it gets violent as well.
Like that, the nationalist movement was in some sense a politically creative act.
Like, you know, it's in that way.
But in some sense, that was big thinking.
Like, we were taking on the English military and the establishment.
Like, that's, that's actually ballsy, you know?
Like, you're fighting a military.
Like, all right, fair enough.
Like, killing some poor fucking woman in a pub is just retarded.
But this is that's that's blunt resentment with no aim.
Like it's headless resentment.
But this is like, all right, fair enough.
That's, that's a real rivalry.
You're actually, you're actually going for the boys.
Like, fair enough.
A high five to you, that type of thing.
And absolutely, that sort of ascendant, um, honorable, I would even call it heroic.
That spirit, as you're categorizing as beautiful, I think is wrapped up with that beautiful poetic instinct as well.
I think it's motivated from correctly interpreting the type of energy you want and just basically learning to think like a winner no matter the situation.
I really think is what it comes down to.
And yeah, part of us had that, you know.
And then I'm not sure how the civil war graphs onto this because that's more like petty politics.
But like you had someone like Michael Collins, who was just like an absolute master, like an absolute conqueror, so savvy, so well played.
And maybe he, you know, like people were more idealistic.
I don't know.
I don't know.
Can you really wrap that up with master and slaves?
People like wanted the whole island.
He was like very pragmatic and he knew what he was going to get.
So whatever about that.
But I think the core psychology that I'm talking about there is the absolute root of this stuff.
So yeah, super, super interesting topic indeed.
And yeah, we're well over an hour and it feels like we only scratch the surface of the topics.
But yeah, awesome insights.
And I encourage everyone to subscribe to the great Uber Boy channel, watch all of his videos.
I will link the link below.
And do you have any final thoughts you would like to share with our listeners there?
Okay, well, I guess I'll talk about the English because I think this is a very, very important side of this.
So regarding the slaves and the Irish and the psychology Irish, I think that's important to understand.
But there's another side of this that is the masters and what can go wrong with the masters because this is like Nietzsche being the psychologist.
I think this is very, very useful.
The problem with the masters is that they can become a little bit naive.
Think about when you're a winner, the jock is the winner on the football team.
He might not realize what made him a winner because it sort of happened very instinctively for him.
He might not realize that the nerd hates him.
So he might not realize that this nerd is trying to worm into Stacy's mind and twist her brain and stuff like this.
And so there becomes a problem with the master where he becomes quite naive, forgetful, out of touch.
And this forms a very interesting relationship where the slave is way more crafty and way more intelligent and way more, maybe not intelligent, but way more like sly, like a fox type thing.
And so, for example, with this gay dude who is brainwashing Stacy to hate the jock and categorizing the jock as all these evil things, the jock doesn't really have a defense against that because that's just so interesting and out of the ordinary and weird.
It's not something that the instincts have a plan for, you know, that the jock kind of gets a little bit confused.
He gets socially outmaneuvered, if you want to put it this way.
Now, what you see with the English right now, what you see with the masters as a whole, because this category with the English could be better understand as the West as a whole, because the West is essentially like a master people overall and the colonial project as a whole.
The fundamental problem, I think, going on psychologically in the West is the relationship between the conquerors and guilt and their misunderstanding of the conquered and their resentment.
The Western people don't understand the black hate that people like the Irish have towards them, if you want to put it this way.
Now, the Irish are maybe a little bit of a special case, but you see this in like the minorities and people in America.
And you see this overall as this big thing.
And so the relationship for the masters, the historical masters, is that they have this big feeling of guilt.
They have had their way of doing things, their master values, have been critiqued out of existence.
They don't understand the value of the way they see the world.
They've lost their master traits.
They've been bewitched and they've fallen for it because they're a little bit silly and a little bit naive.
And they've allowed themselves to be haggard with guilt.
And this guilt has distorted their mind and turned them into essentially slaves.
They've been cuckolded spiritually in some sense by this feeling.
And they struggle to overcome this absolutely.
And it leads to them making so many egregious choices.
They're not able to defend themselves.
They're not able to guard their heritage.
The resentment of the weak is categorized in their mind as a good thing.
That is the most frightening one of all, that they don't understand the aggression of that's what's getting directed at them and stuff like this.
This would be like an English person in Ireland, you know, thinking that the Irish are angels who just want to go and help them and all this type of stuff.
It's like, wait a second, bro.
These people are not happy with you at all.
And so the thing I see going on in the West right now, obviously, is like America, the Germans, the English, the French, Spanish, like it's everywhere, is the guilt that's being haggard on them because of the colonial project, because of their conquering in the past.
They're masters of the world in the past.
And this guilt, this one emotion seems to be getting twisted and leveraged to just drive them to destroy their entire legacy and, as a consequence, destroy everything that is beautiful and allow them to allow a resentful, sort of like woke communist revolution take place, which promises this ideal of equality and freedom.
But of course, it's going to end up exactly like the French Revolution, the Communist Revolution, where it actually comes true.
It will just be a mess, probably even a little bit violent or brutal in some way, and not lead to any ideals at all.
It'll lead to a sort of darkening age, and the project will have to start again from a lower place.
So, I think that's one of the best things you can take out of this Nietzschean perspective as the education that Western man needs to achieve.
We have Freud as the guy who we understand is the foundation of psychoanalysis.
It's a tragedy that that wasn't Nietzsche because Nietzsche's categorizations are so much more sophisticated and relevant to our age.
Yeah, definitely.
Beautifully stated.
And this is, for everyone who's listening, take a moment to meditate upon what Steph just said here.
It's of utmost importance to understand what is going on in the West today.
And of course, if we're talking about generational knowledge, this is what perhaps all boomers knowledge they should have had.
But unfortunately, they didn't.
So they let things fall.
But it is what it is.
It's up to our generation to set the morality straight again.
So yeah, awesome.
Thanks a lot for coming on the channel and enlightening us with these great insights.
Not to do, my man.
Thank you very much for the opportunity.
And if there's any boyos listening to this, definitely give Mr. Golden Lion a follow here.
He's a channel I've watched for ages.
And as I said, like that positive attitude you bring, man, is absolutely brilliant.
It's just like it's so pragmatic for people to engage in this idea that we can do stuff.
Again, this whole idea of like, oh, you're a loser.
Because I think, to be honest, the demographic we come from is actually in quite a losing position in many senses.
Like we're not in possession of the cultural, the cultural hegemony at all.
And these things are like we actually are experiencing the slave feelings.
And we need to be very sincere about this.
And we actually need to take the punch on the chin that like all slaves need to take.
We can't sit around and stomp our foot and be bitter and resentful.
We can't sit around and blame, you know, sitting around there and saying all problems are a consequence of certain things and all these type of things.
I don't want people to be in denial, but I don't want people to also develop this disempowering nerd attitude where you can just sit around being blunt in a theory cell.
And like, man, again, the reason why I'm saying this is the brand and the energy you put out is antagonistic to that in its root.
It's extremely forward-thinking and positive and can do.
It's got that can do attitude.
And I think that's such a big deal.
You know, I think that's really, really important and should never be forgotten and is something that's often missing.
Yeah, thanks a lot.
It means a lot hearing that.
And of course, yeah, I try to be completely immune to black pills and slave morality and sort of low thumbous behavior.
So I'm all for it just to just embrace this thing.
So yeah, thanks a lot.
And again, I encourage everyone to check out Steph's channel.
