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Lies My Government Told Me with Dr Robert Malone

Dr. Robert Malone discusses his new book, Lies My Government Told Me, with RFK Jr in this episode. Click here to purchase his book -  https://smile.amazon.com/s?k=lies+my+government+told+me+robert+malone&crid=3SR19PO91VBGZ&sprefix=lies+my+gov%2Caps%2C291&ref=nb_sb_ss_ts-doa-p_1_11

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	Hey everybody, my guest today is one of my favorite people and, you know, a guy who's really on a hero's journey, on a constant attack from inside the movement, from outside, but somebody that I know to be just an extraordinary hero and a good friend.
	Robert Malone, MDMS, is an internationally recognized virologist, immunologist, clinical researcher, and regulatory affairs expert.
	He was literally at the pinnacle of the highest apex of the medical cartel and poised, really, to, at this point in history, to cash in on all of the knowledge and expertise that he has accumulated over many, many years in vaccine development and Defense contracting and U.S. federal contract proposal business that he had as a project manager,
	as the original inventor of the mRNA vaccine technology, of DNA vaccination inventor, of all of these things that we've been, you know, are kind of the target for The preoccupations and worries that we have, and he was at the center of it.
	He was scientifically trained at UC Davis, UC San Diego at the Salk Institute Molecular Biology and Virology Labs.
	Dr. Malone received his medical training at Northwestern University and Harvard University Medical School and in pathology at UC Davis.
	He has over 100 academic, he reviewed publications.
	He's been downloaded and cited over 12,000 times.
	And he has been a speaker at about 50 conferences.
	His scientific bona fides are firm and unquestionable.
	And I, you know, as my friend and as really as my hero, I want to welcome you to the program.
	Robert, and also we're here because Tony Lyons, the head of Skyhorse, asked me to promote your book.
	I always love having you on the show and whatever you want anytime that you ask, but Tony actually asked me to call you on this and I want to start.
	By urging people to buy this book, Lies My Government Told Me, an extraordinary book by Robert Malone.
	I did the forward to the book.
	It's published by CHD and it's already a bestseller.
	Anyway, welcome to the show.
	Thanks, Bobby.
	That was quite a lead.
	Robert, I want to start by talking to you about some current events, which is everybody's talking about Elon Musk.
	It's kind of extraordinary to me that the liberal left that I consider myself always to admit part of is complaining because he's trying to end the censorship as much as possible at Twitter, which is always something that liberals which is always something that liberals have always invited debate, dissension, and have abhorred violations of the First Amendment and attempts to censor.
	And it would seem to me that Elon Musk should be a hero among liberals for coming in and disrupting the government censorship.
	But I want to ask you about what you make of that.
	But also, Elon has done something recently, has made an announcement recently on Twitter, of course.
	In which he says that he is going to disclose the secret negotiations between Twitter and the U.S. government about censoring the press.
	And as you know, we're suing now Facebook, but also we're suing all the members of the Trusted News Initiative, which is this collaboration, this cartel that was started by BBC, which is loaded to the hilt with Intelligence agents and there's, you know, intelligence agencies.
	Fingerprints are all over the trusted news initiative, but they organized all of the major media conglomerates in the United States and Europe into one cartel to crush dissension about any dissension against government proclamations related to the COVID-19 pandemic and the countermeasures.
	BBC went to ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, Reuters, AP, The Guardian, The Intercept, all of the major news organizations, The Washington Post, they all signed on and they all agreed that they will censor dissent against government policies and that they will crush competitive independent news organizations.
	And by the way, the social media companies are also on board.
	Twitter, Twitter, Facebook, Google, etc.
	And one of the things when Elon was first talking about taking over Twitter, one of the things that I talked about with our lawyers was let's go to Elon and let's remove Twitter from the lawsuit on the condition that Elon will share the internal discussions between Twitter and Fauci and the government agencies about the censorship.
	Now, without having to make that deal, but of course we will drop him from the suit, he's come forward now and said that he is going to release those damning, damning discussions.
	I wanted to get your take on that.
	So he's in a fascinating situation.
	It's extremely dynamic, as you say.
	And he essentially has almost the political equivalent of Epstein's book, Epstein's Honey Trap book, in the sense that he's got the receipts on these bad actions that the government has been doing.
	But he's also got a problem.
	The EU is telling him that he has to continue censoring.
	I'm perplexed about how to interpret Elon Musk and his actions right now.
	The other thing that is in the back of my mind is my understanding is that a lot of the capital that enabled him to purchase Twitter, because it didn't come out of his wallet, comes from the Middle East.
	And as I mentioned in one of my sub stacks about Twitter being a weapon, Twitter was pilot tested during Arab Spring as a information warfare tool.
	So this is a complex landscape where you have major investors that are not necessarily aligned with U.S. interests.
	We have Elon Musk, who is a major defense contractor.
	You know, whether he's the largest or not, he's certainly a major, major contractor.
	Just to interrupt you with that, that would be because of SpaceX.
	Exactly.
	Also Neuralink.
	I mean, does Neuralink actually have government contracts at this point?
	I'm not sure, but it certainly represents a long-standing government interest and program, particularly at DARPA. Yeah.
	That's scary, by the way.
	That's kind of bone-chilling.
	Yeah, it's right at the core of the transhumanism agenda.
	So Elon is going to be in an amazing position where he's going to have a Starlink, he's going to have Neuralink, and what he said is he wants to build Twitter into a WeChat-like universal application That you're going to do your banking through, you're going to do your purchases through, kind of a PayPal aspect.
	And it's going to be your one-stop shop.
	It will be the one ring to rule them all.
	That's the vision.
	And he's bought back the rights to the X moniker from PayPal.
	I guess that was the original PayPal name.
	And you know he uses X for all of his various ventures, SpaceX, etc.
	I don't know quite what to think about this other than I think that a lot of people have been pretty naive about it.
	I'm glad to see him making these moves and I wish him well.
	I also sense that it may be that the course of events are radicalizing him a little bit as he is starting to see what's really been going on.
	He's starting to experience the I can't imagine any of integrity encountering what's happened here And seeing the actual data and the receipts and
	minutes from meetings, etc., and not becoming alarmed.
	If you're not a psychopath, just about anybody else has got to encounter this stuff and say, what the heck is going on?
	The genesis of this, though, that you were touching on in the Trusted News Initiative, you're very aware of the Event 201 planning.
	And as you recall, in that Event 201 planning, they anticipated this need for kind of a shock and awe response, or what I like to say, this is a bit of a mouthful, what we have all experienced over the last three years.
	Is military-grade information warfare capability and technology that was designed for our opponents from military warfare outside of the U.S. that has been turned on American citizens.
	That is profound and that's a lot of words, some strong words, but I think that's really what we have here.
	And it has been weaponized and deployed through Department of Homeland Security.
	A lot of people seem to think that it's been Tony Fauci and HHS that's been driving the bus.
	But a lot of the more recent information, particularly published in the Brownstone Institute, suggests that this task of responding came down through the national security apparatus and flowed down to Homeland Security And as was planned in Event 201, what's been deployed has been basically the technology and capabilities that were designed to respond to terrorism.
	But they've been deployed against the likes of you, me, Dr.
	McCullough, and so many others.
	Yeah, one of the things that you talk about in this wonderful book is that, you know, the Department of Homeland Security actually adopted a regulation.
	I'm not sure that regulations, but guidance that redefines vaccine hesitancy as a form of terrorism that can be treated.
	It's hard to get the words out because they seem so incongruous, but they did define, I think it was back in February, mis, dis, and malinformation as a form of domestic terrorism.
	And they made this odd kind of logic jump where they spoke about basically the January 6th events and domestic violence.
	And then they linked that to vaccines and vaccine hesitancy.
	And stated in alert that they anticipated there would be domestic violence associated with protests against the masks and the vaccine mandates.
	And that that should be responded to as terrorism.
	I strongly suspect that they had intelligence and reacted to the trucker protest as it was developing as another domestic terrorism act.
	I'll point out one other thing, which is that it's traditionally the charter in 1947 forbade the CIA from propagandizing Americans.
	And then in 1975, during the—and, you know, the early, mid-1970s, during the Select Committee on Assassination hearings in the United States Senate, area arts committees, the church committees, I mean, those committees uncovered what was called the Family Jewels,
	which was all of the illegal—it was a list of all the illegal—in the order of illegality— And reprehensiveness, all of the illegal conduct that the CIA had been engaged in, it was top secret, and the CIA for the first time released that.
	And Among those disclosures was Operation Mockingbird, and Operation Mockingbird was the infiltration of American press organs, including the New York Times, Time Magazine, all of the networks, etc., with hundreds and hundreds of reporters and managers and editors who were on the CIA list.
	These were a dullest brag that he could plant articles in thousands of newspapers across the world, including all the leading newspapers in the United States at any time he wanted, through this network.
	So in 1976, President Carter's CIA director said, we are not going to ever infiltrate the U.S. press anymore.
	They acknowledged that it was illegal.
	But the following year, Carl Bernstein did an article for the Rolling Stone, in which he said there's at least 400 of these reporters still out there.
	And then, most people don't know this, In 2014, President Obama made it legal once again for the CIA to propagandize Americans.
	And that unleashed what we saw during the pandemic, which was Americans being subdued and the fear drummed up and all of these techniques for social control that the CIA has developed for year after year after year.
	To take control of indigenous countries, to disrupt society, to destroy relationships, to destroy institutions, to instill fear, to instill polarization, and to broadcast lies.
	All of a sudden we saw this massive use of those techniques and those press organs on the American people, including the Trusted News Initiative, where all of our mainstream media turned against American democracy and the American people and became organs of this authoritarian emergence.
	And I think I talk about this in the book also, certainly I have in the Substack, that Mr.
	Obama has been in the lead in advancing this theme that in order to protect democracy, we must have censorship and we must control information.
	He has been a leading proponent of that.
	And you'll recall that he gave a famous lecture about this at the Hoover Institute.
	I think it was this year earlier.
	He has been a major voice championing this logic that protection of democracy requires censorship.
	It is so Orwellian.
	It is so inverted, but he has been at the forefront of advancing that logic.
	And of course, Mr.
	Biden, no surprise, seems to also be a strong advocate for this position.
	We're in a situation, as I said, so I thank you for your comments.
	They kind of amplify on the comment that I made a moment ago.
	Just to recap, we have all been subjected, as United States citizens, To highly refined military grade information warfare technology and capabilities that have been turned on us in order to justify and support and enforce the deployment of an unlicensed product that is neither safe nor effective.
	You know, one of the things that you're criticized for inside the movement was your kind of discovery of Professor Matthias Desmond.
	Can you talk about his, you know, and about his whole analysis, which I consider accurate and brilliant, of mass formation, hypnosis, I would call it.
	And famously on the Rogan show almost a year ago, at the end of this month, it'll be a full year, I said these three words that just seemed to set Silicon Valley into apoplectic fit, which was mass formation psychosis.
	The press immediately attacked me all over the world that there is no such thing.
	This is not a DSM diagnosis.
	Well, the Diagnostics and Statistics Manual for Psychiatric Illness is about individuals, not crowd behavior.
	One of the prominent critics in the UK for my having said these three words and discussing Matias's theory, which somehow got transformed into my theory.
	I don't know how that happened.
	I was quite clear that it's Matthias Desmetz, who I consider, by the way, a good friend.
	I've been to his home.
	We've had dinner together multiple times, spent time with him in Spain.
	I've had him on this show.
	I've had him on this show, and I consider him brilliant, and I... Consider his analysis accurate.
	By the way, you and I have talked about this, you know, during the 1960s, Robert McNamara, who I knew very, very well, and who ate dinner at my house a couple of times a week, my father talked to him literally every night, telling him, you got to get out of Vietnam after my uncle's death.
	When he remained on as...
	As defense secretary to LBJ, my father called him every night before he went to bed and said, you've got to get out of Vietnam.
	McNamara, who was tormented, He was not a warmonger, and he was tormented by what he was doing.
	But he, earlier on in the 60s, you know, he had been ahead of Ford Motor Company, was a successful businessman, and at heart he was a very ethical person, deeply, deeply pious and moral.
	And he and my father were looking at the The bomb shelter program.
	And if you remember at that time, we were all digging bomb shelters.
	I lived in it.
	My parents had a house in Thousand Oaks that had a bomb shelter.
	Right.
	And then we were doing duck and cover drills during the day.
	Yep.
	In the schools.
	And my father had originally supported that program.
	And then they started looking at it and said, wait a minute, this is like normalizing this idea that nuclear war would be acceptable, which will kill 130 million Russians in the first 60 minutes and 30 million Americans in the first 60 minutes.
	And then that's, you know, the end of civilization.
	And how can we be normalizing it?
	And they realized that it was being pushed By the warmongers and the Pentagon and the intelligence agencies to normalize this idea that nuclear exchange is acceptable.
	And he called it, at that point, he condemned it.
	Dr.
	McNamara, with my father's approval, condemned it as an instrument of mass psychosis.
	It's the same thing that you said.
	And yeah, so that's been one of the attacks from another MD, we don't need to mention names here, that I invented this term, and that was part of the meme that was being used to attack me.
	The odd thing was, as you mentioned in your lead, I've been attacked both within and from without.
	And this storyline that somehow I had invented this term was actually first promoted by the corporate media and by Silicon Valley.
	In response to my saying these words, I always thought that the response from Google, which is really exaggerated, I'm not familiar with that.
	What was theirs?
	Oh, Google edited, so the word, the phrase...
	By the way, I mean, I think most of the people who watch your show understand that, but Silicon Valley, which I write about in my book, is, you know, is thoroughly infiltrated by the intelligence agencies.
	In QTEL, DARPA created the ARPANET grid back in 1979, upon which Silicon Valley, which became the Internet...
	And then In-Q-Tel, I think it has funded over 3,000 companies, including the beginnings of Google and Facebook and many, many others.
	As I show in my book, many of the CEOs have signed state secrecy agreements because they have contracts with the intelligence agencies and with the defense department.
	And so that's part of the system there.
	Silicon Valley promised that they were going to democratize information and the internet and, you know, they've become...
	The principal instrument for the rise of authoritarian and military power.
	People need to recognize those links.
	So go ahead.
	I didn't mean to interrupt you.
	So it's okay.
	So I said these three little words on Rogan, and it was released on, I think, the 31st of the 1st of this year, December 31st of last year.
	And it immediately became the leading trending term on internet searches.
	And Google, we were able to capture it in real time.
	Steve Kirsch did a great piece on it.
	He actually started capturing information a little bit later.
	But Google immediately started manually modifying the searches.
	This was not algorithmic.
	This was manual.
	So that the many prior podcasts that I had done, that Matthias Desmet had done, other people's commenting, etc., All got suppressed, and the only thing that you could find was a podcast from somebody critical on this that had about 30 hits at the time.
	And it was all done manually in real time, and you could kind of see the gears happening.
	This overwrought response, and then this piece, I think it was in the Daily Mail that came out attacking it.
	The guy that they cited as the expert was actually one of the guys behind the leading application of nudge theory in the UK for this outbreak.
	He used the experts that were actually enabling mass formation to say that that can't possibly be happening and that's madness.
	This guy Malone has said this.
	Then I start recently, like I said, getting attacked from within for exactly the same argument and with a focus on the use of the term psychosis as being absolutely inappropriate.
	I had to go back.
	You know, I get these critics.
	I got to respond to them or it just goes viral.
	And Sigmund Freud wrote about mass psychosis.
	There's Gustav Le Bon.
	There's a whole long history of Hannah Arendt.
	And Matthias Desmet is really a 21st century extension of the work of Hannah Arendt on the origins of totalitarianism.
	So this whole thesis that somehow Dr.
	Malone, who has no background in psychology, crafted this thing from whole cloth and should be discredited and it has no meaning, I find it a fascinating example That kind of illustrates the point.
	As I said to Matias, this is all developing.
	I said, you know, he's got at least a decade and a half worth of data for his future graduate students coming out of what happened just in the response.
	But it's another one of these funny bumps along the road watching this play out.
	And Matthias made a series of predictions, one of which was that we were going to see the rise of mass formation, a counter mass formation within the resistance group.
	And I think we've absolutely seen that.
	And they are exhibiting a lot of the same characteristics.
	That the folks that we're identifying as our opponents or oppressors or however we want to phrase it, are exhibiting.
	It seems to be a fundamental characteristic of human behavior, and it explains It's just a hypothesis.
	It's just a theory.
	But it has a bunch of predictions.
	And one of them is that people that are in this mass formation process will do almost anything in kind of a ritualistic way to show their fealty to the group, to the mass.
	And the more painful, the more sacrifice...
	That has to be performed, the more willing members of that formed mass are willing to do it.
	And so this is consistent with the, I've got palsy, I've got a facial paralysis, but I'm ready to take the next jab to prove my commitment.
	You know, give me the number four, give me the number five.
	Or as one wag likes to put it on the internet, govern me harder, daddy.
	This is all consistent.
	Matthias talks about instances that Hannah aren't described in Germany where mothers would give up their children for whatever perceived fault and gladly see them hung by the neck as a demonstration of their commitment to the party, to that movement, to that tribe.
	It is deeply tribal.
	I think that all of what we've seen, and I was just talking about this on a prior podcast earlier today, it really...
	For those of us who wish to believe in humanity and human beings, what we've experienced over the last three years is deeply disturbing, if you think about it, if you allow yourself to really grapple with what has occurred in terms of the psychology of the response and people's behavior.
	Well, you know, it's puzzling that their attacks on you are trying to convince the public that this technique and the phenomena of mass psychosis doesn't exist because it's common sense.
	Anybody who's read history, anybody who's familiar with biology, I mean, we all grew up, we had a signed reading.
	I'm sure that you, at some point, I had to read Orwell or Aldous Huxley or Arthur Casper.
	Actually, I was in the Gifted and Talented program in California, which no longer exists.
	Robert Heinlein.
	Right.
	I read all that stuff when I was in fourth and fifth grade.
	The death of Socrates.
	Teach that anymore.
	You understand evolution.
	We're all biologically hardwired to gravitate towards authority and unit cohesion when we experience fear.
	It took 20,000 generations that human beings were under the African savannah and these warlike groups.
	And it was survival required that we be willing to give our lives for our familiar group with whom we had related.
	So the argument...
	And then nationalism, you know, nationalism is just tribalism writ large and partisanship is tribalism.
	And what you're talking about is really just that, you know, and the CIA has been working on this for generations.
	How do you get large groups of people to behave?
	How do you get social groups to Well, and that's the point with my comment about Twitter as a weapon.
	I'm not being clever with that.
	It is a military-grade weapon that is designed and powered with some of the capabilities for crowd control, for crowd management, for crowd motivation, for crowd direction.
	It's extremely sophisticated.
	But the argument that is offered regarding Desmond, and it's quite tortured, the logic, is that in some way, by speaking about This phenomenon, which, as Matthias describes, there are pre-existing conditions that make it so that populations and individuals are more susceptible.
	One of the key ones is they become socially isolated.
	And of course, the cell phones have done a great job with that.
	Everybody is fragmented.
	They're all living through their cell phones, their electronic devices.
	But social fragmentation, free-floating anxiety, a sense of disconnectedness with others, this often gives rise to an anger that really has no source and no object of direction, a sense of threat and free-floating anxiety that many people are experiencing before the outbreak.
	Those are all the preconditions.
	But the thesis among some is Is that Matthias, in saying this, is blaming the individual and letting the global predators, quote-unquote, off the hook.
	And this is why these people have asserted that both Matthias and I are mass murderers.
	Because we have prevented the global predators from being held accountable because this theory blames the individual for this phenomena when the blame should rest with the global predators.
	It is incredibly tortured logic.
	It is absolutely not supported.
	Matthias has written very patiently to refute this logic.
	But it doesn't matter.
	There is, as I said, we have a problem with counter-mass formation right now within the resistance community.
	And it's age old, just as you say, and it's very much like the Jacobins and so many other prior movements that fly apart under this influence of individuals that assert that there's some sort of a test for the true, and it's very much like the Jacobins and so many other prior
	And if you don't buy into all of the little things on their checklist, you know, if you're not willing to say that, in fact, these mRNA vaccines were designed for a depopulation agenda, well, then you must be controlled opposition is the logic, right?
	And it goes on and on and on like this.
	And it's always, as you pointed out, and you coached me, Bobby, this kind of fragmentation and this kind of logic has been with us every time there has been a resistance movement.
	And it's the kind of thing that tears them apart.
	It is so incredibly counterproductive.
	By the way, I can tell you from personal experience, and I'm sure you've experienced it yourself, it's not very pleasant being on the receiving end of this, where you've committed your life and your livelihood.
	To a cause and then had people within that cause that you thought were fellow warriors start...
	I think the Vietnam War slang of fragging applies here.
	You know, the killing of a commanding officer with a grenade.
	But it happens.
	It's a fundamental of human behavior.
	And I don't know why it happens.
	You know what I... And, you know, I've been...
	From the beginning of my involvement with this...
	I came under the same attacks.
	And, you know, they're kind of incomprehensible when you're, you know, the evidence of everything that you've given up to be part of your effectiveness in fighting the opposition and, you know, is all there for everybody to see.
	And yet, my reaction, though, Robert, is kind of to try to have compassion for the people within the movement who are attacking you.
	Some of it may be deliberate or purposeful.
	Some of it may be motivated by jealousy.
	But most of it is because you're dealing with a group of people who are bedraggled.
	They're alienated.
	They're vulnerable.
	They're in pain.
	There's such a huge distance from the centers of power that they, you know, it's difficult for them to understand how things work, and so they make assumptions, and a lot of those assumptions are driven by paranoia, but, you know, ultimately it comes from a place of pain and alienation.
	But, you know, what I say to people, because people have attacked I've asked me about you and said, is Robert Malone a controlled opposition?
	I said, well, if he is, let's call up the opposition and ask for 10 more just like him because he's done more to advance our cause and more damage to our opposition than any other figure.
	Literally, your appearance on Joe Rogan changed the entire debate.
	It was devastating to the opponents and they don't know what to do with you.
	The established medical cartel Does not know how to handle Robert Malone.
	And, you know, what you've done for this movement, and for honesty, and for democracy, and for our country, had a huge personal sacrifice.
	And I know the sacrifice that you've made.
	It's beyond dispute, and it's extraordinary.
	I love your...
	I love your theme of forgiveness and understanding.
	And to loop back a little bit about the mass formation hypothesis, the thing that I love about it, and one of the key reasons why I latched onto it so hard, It allows people to forgive.
	At a time when there was so much anger and angst, families are being torn apart, long-standing friendships were torn apart, and people would come to me in these meetings that I would go to, perplexed that they would share the information, the data publications with colleagues, and they just wouldn't hear it.
	They couldn't hear it.
	They couldn't process the information.
	And in particular, I went to a rally at a megachurch in Florida, and it had like a pre-rally that was more medical professionals.
	And somebody came to me just heartbroken about how their family, because they had a bunch of other docs in their family, had just been destroyed and torn apart.
	And none of them would talk to this one person because she believed that the vaccines were neither safe nor effective.
	And I shared with her Matthias' theories And I could see this in her body language and in her face, this relief and relaxation that it gave to her to be able to come to terms with the fact that these people have succumbed to a form of hypnosis.
	And as we were just discussing, this has not been a random event.
	It was not really a natural event.
	It was created, it was fabricated by the deployment of these tools of psychological manipulation and information warfare.
	And then after encountering this one professional in this small group, I went and spoke about it to the large group, and I saw tears rolling down grown men's faces.
	Tears of relief.
	And I knew that this had tapped into something deeply powerful, whether or not, you know, I'm not a shrink, and I've never claimed to be, but there's something about this theory and the logic behind it that gives people relief from pain, and I'm all about relieving pain, and allowed them to just kind of come to terms with the profound destruction of their interpersonal relations that had happened through this.
	And if for no other reason, I suggest that the theory has merit just from a purely therapeutic angle because it allows people to forgive.
	They can say instead of hating their colleague or their sister or brother who just won't listen to reason, they can come to terms with that and say, well, these people have succumbed to this psychological warfare.
	They've succumbed to this situation.
	With all of the things that have been deployed against them.
	And I can forgive them because they have been hypnotized.
	And I think for that reason alone, it has merit.
	Yeah, let me just clarify one thing for people who are watching this, who don't know you or me.
	But when you say the whole thing was invented, you're not saying COVID-19, the virus was invented or didn't exist.
	You're talking about the...
	Psychological operations.
	The psychological operations surrounding it.
	And those psychological operations are in place for any crisis that comes along, whether it's 9-11 or whatever it is, you know, they're there and they're what Rahm Emanuel said, never let a good crisis go to waste.
	You can use any crisis to increase the power of the security state, diminish constitutional rights, shift wealth to, you know, to the oligarchy, to the new oligarchy of Silicon Valley Titans, you know, and continue to empower the medical cartel and disempower people. and continue to empower the medical cartel and disempower people.
	I want to give three examples of this very, very quickly, of mass psychosis.
	One of those, two of them are CIA programs.
	One of them is a phenomenon that has been experimented for many years with the CIA, the manipulation of fear and isolation.
	And it's to induce a condition that is known technically as Stockholm Syndrome, where the captives become grateful to their captors.
	And they see their captors as the only avenue to salvation, to survival, is total obedience to the captor and that anybody who criticized the captor becomes the enemy.
	They're the threat.
	They're the dangerous one.
	And you can induce Stockholm Syndrome.
	And the CIA has been experimenting with this for generations in entire societies.
	And that's kind of what happened here.
	They locked us all up.
	And then they told us the only way you're getting out is through total compliance and total obedience.
	And the people who tell you otherwise are the dangerous ones.
	They're the ones who threaten you.
	So that's one of the kind of mechanisms, you know, for inducing the proof of that phenomenon is that they've been doing it for generations.
	Another was another CIA experiment, which I document in my book, which was called the Milgram Experiment, where they put people in rooms, you know, randomly chosen Americans in a room with an electric dial that would administer an electric shock to an actor, a Confederate in the next room, who would scream randomly chosen Americans in a room with an electric dial that would administer an And they had a doctor standing behind him in a white lab coat with a stethoscope telling the subjects, turn it up, turn it up, turn it up.
	And the subjects would be crying and weeping, saying, don't make me do it.
	I don't want to hurt this person anymore.
	But when the authority in the medical suit pulled them to it, 67% of it, and you can look this up even on Wikipedia, which you shouldn't trust, but you can look this up, Milgram experiment.
	The subjects turned it up to 250 volts where it was marked.
	Potentially fatal.
	What they showed, and this was, you know, the people who were running this were associated with MKUltra, which was the CIA experiment program for manipulating societies and individuals.
	And what they included, the researchers, Stanley Millman, concluded that 67% of people, when ordered to by a figure of authority, like a doctor in a white lab coat, will violate their own most deeply valid values, and they will do things that they consider reprehensible.
	And we're all in a big, now, Milgram experiment with the doctor, Dr.
	Fauci.
	Telling us censor speech, you know, shut down private property, close down jury trials, don't violate every one of the, you know, first 10 amendments of the Constitution.
	And it's all okay, because you're being told to do it.
	You do what you're told, you do what the experts tell you, which is not what science says, and it's not what democracy says.
	The third example that I'd give is FDR, telling the American people the only thing you have to fear is fear itself.
	It's really important that people understand why he said that.
	And he was talking at that time about the Great Depression, which had collapsed the U.S. economy.
	And a lot of people believed, about half the people in our country believed that capitalism and democracy were a failed system.
	And what he saw, the same depression had hit Europe and had two different reactions, both of them to push the populations to totalitarianism.
	In Russia and Eastern Europe, they followed, you know, they went communist and in Germany and Italy and in Spain, they turned fascism regime.
	So totalitarianism on the left and the right.
	And what he said is the only, the thing that we have to fear most is fear, because that is the tool of Of totalitarian regimes that get you to stop believing in yourself, to stop believing in your values, and to turn to blind obedience to undeserving authorities.
	And we can't do that in the United States.
	And by reassuring people and telling them, do not be subject to fear, he was able to usher this country through the Great Depression to strengthen our democratic institutions, to restore our economy, to strengthen even Wall Street.
	And, you know, instead of having a government in this COVID crisis that was telling us that your enemy, your biggest enemy is not COVID, it's fear.
	And we need to get through this and maintain our constitution intact.
	Instead of having that kind of leadership, we had a leadership in the media, as you point out in your book, you know, all of the institutions of democracy.
	That was telling us every day, be fearful, be fearful, be fearful, because that is how you induce mass formation psychosis.
	And now, fast forward to the present.
	CNN is having a massive layoff.
	This system, the slang is, of course, go woke and go broke.
	But these parties that have played into this and have gone along with the billion dollars spent by the CDC, and now we're going to have $475 million spent to deploy the same kind of strategies to get people to accept the booster vaccine that is neither safe nor effective.
	I mean, this is our tax dollars, funding, propaganda deployed against us, but these entities, these corporate media that have bought into this, gladly accepted the money, slavishly so, and been willing to do the bidding of the government and the large pharmaceutical industries, right?
	These notorious clips of brought to you by Pfizer, right?
	They are now facing a major crisis of legitimacy.
	I think this is one of the, if there's, you know, it's hard to find the silver lining, and I keep looking for it, but one of them is, I think the public is starting to catch on.
	A small minority of the young children have been inoculated with these products.
	I think we have had a positive impact.
	But on the other side, just to recap, we had the substitution of hope for scientific data as spoken by Deborah Birx and Rochelle Walensky.
	We had the substitution of hope for science, and then that was reinforced through this weaponized propaganda.
	We were basically trained to accept an unlicensed, unsafe, non-effective medical product based on no science, on hope, and trained into us through this well-developed system of propaganda, censorship, and trained into us through this well-developed system of propaganda, censorship, information control, and everything
	What it means for the future is grim unless folks pay attention to what has really transpired here because they have learned a lot of lessons from this.
	Another thing that I talk about in the book that I found fascinating was this Yale study in which they tested a number of different propaganda strategies to get people to take the vaccine and also to encourage that all their peers should take the vaccine.
	And they tested these different messaging strategies in a randomized clinical prospective trial that went on with a six month follow up.
	I think it was more rigorous than the vaccine studies were.
	It's like 600 people.
	They did it before they ever had a product.
	They assumed the product would be effective.
	And they developed the propaganda using a randomized human clinical trial.
	And then once they found the optimal messaging about danger to grandma and those kinds of kind of social guilt strategies, they deployed it all across the world.
	This was, for those that are inclined to conspiracy thinking, and increasingly it's hard to tell the difference between conspiracy and reality, but they had a plan.
	They worked on it in a strategic stepwise fashion to develop propaganda messaging to get these unlicensed products accepted into the population.
	just as they had planned they would have to do during Event 201.
	And as they had planned in Event 201, they knew they were going to have to control They knew they were going to have to control social media.
	They knew they were going to have to have these tools like the Trusted News Initiative.
	And by God, we got it good and hard.
	Robert Malone, I'm going to let you go.
	I know you're doing podcasts all day.
	I want to urge people to read Robert Malone's book.
	Order it, please.
	This is your way to support the movement.
	People want to know what they can do to be effective.
	One of the ways to keep this book on the bestseller list, you know, I hate to tell you to go to Amazon, but go to Amazon because we're living in a world of reality and you've got to be pragmatic.
	But, you know, Amazon has the list.
	Robert Malone has its top-selling book in biology.
	And one of its top-selling books overall, and that's something, that's a way to get the man.
	I was waiting for that line.
	And here's what I'm most proud of.
	It's listed as one of the top volumes in medical ethics.
	I personally take great pride and pleasure in having a leading bestseller in medical ethics.
	So thanks a lot, Bobby, for taking the time.
	And also for being a friend and writing the glowing, embarrassingly positive introduction and just for being yourself.
	Well, you deserve everything, Robert.
	I'm grateful for your friendship.
	I'm grateful for your leadership and for your continual courage.
	And I send my love to Jill and thanks for everything you do.
	And we'll see you back on here soon.
	Okay, be good.
	Thank you.
	Remind me what you told me yesterday about Deetra and Wuhan lab.
	So the threat mitigation branch of Defense Threat Reduction Agency has been funding the Wuhan Institute of Virology and continues to do so.
	And their purported logic has been that if they don't, it's the same logic they deployed with the loose nukes.
	If they don't fund this laboratory, then the Bat Lady and others will go do nefarious things instead of basically staying under the watchful eye.
	I find it hard to believe that that public pronouncement, that public position, is anything other than a ruse.
	Personally, I think what they've been doing is funneling money to have studies done and technology developed that they're not able to do.
	And they are, I believe that what's going on here is they're basically buying a seat at the table to be able to learn some little fragments of whatever bones the CCP wants to throw them by in some way being involved in that operation.
	And I'm also convinced now, having really dug into the details, that what happened with Michael Callahan, because he landed in Nanjing, he got assigned to the same hotel room he always gets assigned to.
	He then complained about being swarmed by honey traps.
	He then goes across the creek, across the river, to the major Wuhan hospital, where he's given a pass as an observer.
	He observes for about two days and then he goes back over to Nanjing and observes via video link.
	I think there's a good chance that they played him like a fiddle and that what actually happened was that he was presented with a storyline of this being a highly lethal pathogen.
	And he bought it hook, line and sinker and brought it back to the United States and put it into the ear of Bob Cadillac.
	And then he was the guy, Callahan was the guy that designed the 10 hospitals.
	So he defined standard of care in the New York outbreak.
	And then he went and managed some of the early nursing home outbreaks.
	I remember him calling me about it.
	He basically established the standard of care based on two days of observation at the Wuhan major hospital and then some Zoom call observations of treatment in progress.
	And then came back and told the United States government.
	this is how we have to treat this.
	I'm the big expert.
	I think that what is likely to have happened is that they knew exactly who he was, and they played it.
	Okay, that's good to know.
	But when you say you established the standard of care for the nursing homes, you know, people died in the nursing homes.
	It was a huge tragedy.
	What was the standard of care?
	That, you know, they should just be isolated in there?
	The isolation and the kind of hands-off, you know, really people were locked up in those nursing homes and allowed to die to a large extent.
	All I know is that before I ever heard of a major nursing home outbreak, the first time I heard of one was him telling me on the telephone he had to go out to the West Coast to manage one.
	And it was the first major one.
	And he thought this was going to be a major threat all across the United States.
	The nursing homes basically is breeding grounds for this virus.
	Thank you, Robert.
	I'll see you soon, my friend.
	Thank you.
	Okay.

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