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June 6, 2022 - RFK Jr. The Defender
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Silencing Of Doctors Dr. Peter McCullough's New Book

Dr. Peter McCullough discusses his new novel with RFK Jr and co-author John Leake in this episode.

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Hey everybody, I'm really happy to have two amazing guests today.
One is my old friend, Dr.
Peter McCulloch.
This is his third visit to our show.
And as you all know, Peter McCulloch is a cardiologist.
He is the most published Physician in his specialty in history.
He is probably one of the, if not the most knowledgeable, person alive on the treatment of COVID-19.
He published in August of 2020 a seminal article that was the most downloaded.
The entire pandemic on a sequential use of various drugs, including ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine and monoclonal antibodies and others in the treatment of COVID-19.
He has been harshly punished and silenced by the medical cartel.
He has nevertheless continued to speak up.
My other guest is John Leak, who is an historian and novelist who's written a bunch of award-winning novels.
And the two of these gentlemen have collaborated to do a non-fiction chronicle of the suppression of early treatment disease.
Deliberate, purposeful, and lethal suppression of early treatment during COVID. I have not read it.
We're going to hear about its announcement, but this is really the announcement for this new novel, and we're all very, very anxious to read it.
I wanted to have my friend Peter McCullough, who's one of the great, great heroes of the last two years, and asked my guest to talk briefly about this work.
So, Peter, tell us what happened and how you got here.
Well, let me just thank you for being on the program.
I wish you the best of luck, and it's a great pleasure.
I'm Dr.
Peter McCullough.
I'm a practicing internist and cardiologist in Dallas, Texas.
I'm trained in epidemiology, and I have put everything into the pandemic response from a professional perspective.
And I have doubled down and tripled down and quadrupled down on the principles that we can treat the illness early to avoid hospitalization and death.
And by that mechanism, we actually reduce the spread of illness and we bring the pandemic to a close.
In my view, the lack of treatment of COVID-19 early is what has precipitated these hospitalizations and deaths that's occurred all over the world.
I've testified under oath now, November of 2020, March of 2021, and now January of 2022.
Now, there was a learning curve.
As we developed the protocols, more scientific data came in.
That the total estimate is exactly what you said.
Two-thirds of those deaths could have been avoided.
Those lives could have been saved.
Right now, if someone contracts COVID-19, a high-risk patient, which I have in my practice, my estimates are that treatment, using a multi-drug approach, results in a 95% reduction in hospitalization and death.
We should not have the suffering and fear that we have seen over the course of two years.
Well, let's bring John in.
Yeah, John, I did not mean to ignore you.
Tell us how you got involved in this.
I'm a true crime author.
I've written a couple of true crime books with a strong medical component.
I lived abroad for many years.
And looking at true crimes with elements of medical mystery, where you have to consult With forensic doctors, forensic pathologists.
So I kind of developed a sort of affinity and a knack for reading forensic medical literature.
You know, I began to think about Africa.
I mean, I used to receive hydroxychloroquine as a malaria prophylaxis when I would go to Africa.
The doctors didn't think twice about writing the prescription.
But then quite suddenly, with COVID upon us, there was this sudden talk of hydroxychloroquine being dangerous.
Well, no one had ever discussed it being dangerous.
I mean, all of the rheumatoid arthritis and lupus and malaria prophylaxis, there was never talk for 60 years of it being dangerous.
There was talk in the 60s of heart arrhythmias, but I saw an interview with the rheumatologist and he said the point back then was the dosing was much, much higher.
Back in the 50s and 60s, he said we in rheumatology realized these high dosages of hydroxychloroquine weren't necessary.
So I realized I needed a top medical authority to help me to conduct my inquiry.
And this is what I think is the most charming part of the story.
I thought he's got to be a top medical authority, but he also has to be one who's challenging the orthodoxy, who is saying, well, I'm beginning to wonder or to take a skeptical posture about what we're being told.
So I began to think, well, where would I find such a medical authority who's questioning the orthodoxy?
And I thought he could be anywhere in the world.
I'd have to travel.
It might be a difficult endeavor.
Turns out Dr.
McCullough lives two miles away from my home in Dallas.
So we were able to easily meet.
We began to collaborate a year ago in writing this story in narrative fashion, and we've just now come out with our book.
Where can people get the book, John?
I recommend going to our website, CourageToFaceCovid.com, and there's a portal to Amazon.
We're going to expand our distribution beyond Amazon, but at the time being here, at the very beginning out of the gate, the easiest way to get it right now is through our website, CourageToFaceCovid.com, with a portal to Amazon.
You know, you talk about Africa, and I spent a lot of time in Africa as a kid and as a teenager in my early 20s.
Of course, all the tourists who go to Africa, like them, I took hydroxychloroquine.
There was never any discussion.
There's entire populations in Africa.
I take hydroxychloroquine weekly.
In fact, it's called in many of the African countries, it's called by the term Sunday, Sunday, because traditionally people take the drug on Sunday.
It's been given billions of doses over 60 years.
It's an essential medicine by the World Health Organization, and it's over the counter in almost all the nations in Africa.
Many other countries around the world.
And suddenly, as you say, during the beginning of this pandemic, when they knew that hydroxychloroquine worked, because in 2005, during the SARS epidemic, they were testing, which is what public health authorities are supposed to do.
They were looking for repurposed medications that would be effective against SARS, which is, of course, a coronavirus.
And they tested hundreds and hundreds of repurposed medications and the one that they found worked best was hydroxychloroquine and they found that it worked not only and they tested it in cell cultures and they learned that not only was it an effective Treatment because it immediately killed and stopped viral replication, killed the virus and stopped replication.
But it was also devastatingly effective as a prophylactic.
And that study and other studies were well known to Tony Fauci.
And that's one of the reasons that we assume as soon as coronavirus was identified in January, there was a global push.
Very, very bizarre by African governments, by European governments, by the Canadian government, by France, for example, to remove access to hydroxychloroquine, to stop the population from accessing it.
And we know that people can say, well, the reason that Nigeria did so well is because it had a younger population.
But Japan did well, too.
It had a death rate one-tenth the United States per population because it made these drugs available.
And if you look at the Central American countries, the countries that handed it out, they essentially avoided having any kind of pandemic at all.
And it's interesting to consider that In our country, blacks had 3.6 times the death rate of whites from COVID. But blacks in Africa had 1 200th the death rate.
And the big difference is that they had access to these life-saving repurposed drugs.
Yes, sir.
That's really our theme.
It's a crime.
It's a deliberate suppression, a deliberate impeding of people who could get into trouble with this illness, deliberately preventing them from accessing drugs that could help keep them out of hospital facilities.
And so we go through this earlier literature that emerged after the SARS in 2003, the CDC study you mentioned.
When we came to the same conclusion that you did, that it's precisely because they worked that they were suppressed.
I thought that you and your family were in a very good position to interpret a lot of this stuff because of your history and government Your somewhat tragic history in government, a kind of understanding.
I remember I read an article that you wrote about the Syrian pipeline wars.
A lot of this geopolitical stuff has got nothing to do with Islamic terrorism.
It's actually vying for pipeline control.
And what is it about these big military complexes or now this biopharmaceutical complex that becomes so voracious And so, ruthless and unmoored from ethical considerations.
This is kind of one of the mysteries that we grapple with in the book.
This veracity to pursue these agendas that sort of leaves ethics out of the equation.
So, we read your book with great interest.
It was a marvelous work of scholarship.
I'm not saying that just to flatter you.
We appreciated your work.
But the question is, Why this unethical pursuit of these agendas?
And so this is the mystery that we grapple with in our book.
Yeah, I would add to that.
We had a clear impression that it was only the therapies that really worked That we're being actively suppressed.
So the first was hydroxychloroquine.
And you know, when the FDA put its final word on hydroxychloroquine in the summer of 2020, it says, do not use it.
The research didn't stop.
You know, over 300 supportive studies, many dozens of randomized trials all stopped early.
All we needed to see was a signal of benefit, acceptable safety.
We understood how to use the drug.
I prescribed it for 30 years in my practice.
Hydroxychloroquine is a part of official government recommendations in over two dozen countries.
That was the first year.
The second year of the pandemic was the year of ivermectin.
Even more dynamic, even had more supportive data, inpatient and outpatient, 85 total supportive studies, over 35 randomized trials, bigger overall benefit.
There, the NIH And the American Medical Association launch a war against ivermectin.
The AMA has an official campaign to abolish the use of ivermectin.
We've never seen this before.
The American Medical Association taking up an issue on a drug that doctors have found useful worldwide.
Again, two dozen government guidelines actually say to use ivermectin.
And you're right, it worked.
I was on an author block with Dr.
Ante and colleagues down in Honduras.
We clearly showed That ivermectin won the day there, but it didn't stop.
There was suppression of corticosteroids.
Ron Johnson saw this.
He brought Pierre Corey in.
The very first set of Senate testimony was on the corticosteroids.
It was Pierre Corey.
Then the next round in November, myself, Harvey Rich, and George Freed came in on hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin, and the other drugs, and they kept going.
But there was no matter what we did that we actually found that worked, we were actively being suppressed at multiple levels.
Federal agencies The biopharmaceutical complex, medical systems, hospitals, medical societies, licensing boards, pharmacy boards, it was a complete and total suppression of our attempts to save lives.
Sort of the most sinister aspects when you look at all of this kind of convergence where all of these power centers simultaneously move to block public access to this life-saving drug and to funnel people instead to a $200 billion vaccine enterprise that, was all tied in with government controls and with the military and intelligence apparatus.
It was really quite extraordinary.
And as I said, in January, at the very moment that the Chinese released the genomic sequence or the COVID, you had the French government, the Canadian government within days taking this drug that was for decades had been an over-the-counter the Canadian government within days taking this drug that was for decades had been an over-the-counter drug and suddenly reclassifying it as a toxic substance that you can only
You had testimony that all across Africa there were men showing up at pharmacies with trucks buying out the supplies of hydroxychloroquine and burning them in bonfires and You had Sanofi and the other big producers,
hydroxychloroquine, who were pressured to donate their entire stocks to the National Strategic Stockpile, which then they can get tax deductions and payments for.
But the stockpile then froze access, so they took the whole U.S. supply Purchased it and then locked off, blocked off its access to the public.
You had facilities that produced ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine burning up and blowing up.
In Taiwan, one of the biggest producers in the world, one of the biggest factories and mysterious arson.
And then, of course, you had the system that you talked about where the medical boards were blocking access.
We have this campaign to discredit this drug as a horse medicine, to repeat Tony Fauci as a horse medication.
Well, as you know, antibiotics You know, the major, very, very, the most effective drugs that work on humans, coincidentally and not surprisingly, work on all mammals.
And so they are veterinary medicines.
But to say, to claim that you're taking a horse medicine is totally absurd.
So you had this concerted campaign at every different level.
And it's hard to interpret that as innocent.
And of course, the licensing boards and the universities coming after people like you.
You were the most dangerous person out there.
Because, you know, I'm not a medical doctor.
People could say, oh, don't listen to him.
He's not a physician.
But you, Peter McCulloch, is the most published physician in his field.
And a practicing cardiologist with a long, long history of credibility.
And for you to come forward, and Pierre Corey to come forward, would really change the debate.
And ultimately, Robert Malone.
Who invented the technology for the mRNA vaccine and you three physicians really changed the debate and then all of you had your careers essentially destroyed.
Well, John chronicles that, and it's been so hard to describe to the public what happened, and through his wonderful writing of creating a narrative, taking all this complex reality that you've just summarized, but actually putting it into a narrative that the common person can understand, we're hoping will develop a broader understanding in the public.
So we really hope this book has a public health impact, like all the important books.
Well, Peter McCulloch and John Lee, good luck with the book.
Let me know what I can do to help promote it.
This is a story that Americans need to hear.
Thank you, Mr.
Kennedy.
It's available now.
Your listeners can find it at the website CourageToFaceCovid.com.
Peter and John, tell us why people need to read this book.
What we're seeing here and what Mr.
Kennedy was just summarizing is the world has experienced a massive crime.
It's a crime against humanity.
Our book chronicles as these events are unfolding, as Dr.
McCullough and his colleagues were scrambling to find ways first to treat the illness, And then once they began to piece together effective treatments, then they had to enter the second phase of the battle, which was against this deliberate suppression by our public health authorities and our police.
I think our book, The Courage to Face COVID-19, will enable readers to see how these events unfolded, all of the intrigues and the fraud and the propaganda campaign, and they will see that what has been visited upon the human race is a big crime.
I would add to that that populations worldwide over the course of now greater than two years have been listening to a false narrative.
And many of them know it's a false narrative.
They know things don't make sense in their cognitive framework.
They know they see things that are absurd.
They see behaviors that don't make sense.
The reason why this book is so important is It's because it is a window to the true narrative.
What really can and should be done to treat a deadly illness, and it chronicles with a lot of detail, and I think the appropriate amount of ethos and pathos and lojos, the desire for brave doctors,
nurses, patients, and families to To fulfill their oath to one another, to fulfill the Hippocratic Oath in Medicine, but to fulfill an oath to humanity, to help one another get through a crisis, and what we did in the face of a crime, a crime that was being committed against humanity, of which we're all now victims of that crime.
John, tell us again where people can get the book.
I encourage everybody to go to our website, couragetofacecovid.com.
And there you'll learn a little bit about us and our book.
And there is a link to purchase the book.
Thank you very much, gentlemen.
And good luck on the book.
Let me know how we can help.
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