In this episode, Kevin Jenkins discusses medical apartheid with RFK Jr.
Kevin D. Jenkins, a public speaker and transformational executive with an impressive track record is
leading the charge at Urban Global Health Alliance as CEO/Founder and at Freedom Travel Alliance
as CMO/Founder.
Jenkins is lifelong champion for human rights in the black community and as the founder of Urban
Global Health Alliance, he shows his dedication to these rights. The mission of UGHA is to educate,
empower and release urban communities and their leaders from decades of indoctrination and
suppression; and to create effective public policy which safeguard rights of equality.
Building a healthy society
"Building healthy communities creates a healthy society. " – Kevin Jenkins
For those of you who don't know Kevin Jenkins, you're in for a treat.
Kevin is, I would say, you're a very close friend of mine, Kevin.
And over the past year, you've become really a dynamo, a juggernaut in this movement.
Kevin co-produced the film Medical Racism with me.
I know that he's gotten a lot out of our relationship, but I have gotten even more.
Kevin, welcome so much to the podcast.
Thank you very much.
Thank you very much, Bobby.
How you doing, buddy?
I'm great.
Tell us how you are.
Well, you know, Bobby, this has been a very, very interesting year and a half.
Last year, sometime in Connecticut, Jamel Hawley and I were talking about medical freedom, you know, religious freedoms and medical exemptions that we were having a problem in New Jersey.
He came to my house and started talking to me about what was going on.
And he introduced me to you a couple of months ago.
I think it might have been a month ago in Connecticut.
And you gave this presentation about the impact.
Well, as you know, Bobby, you know, we've known each other for a while.
And, you know, I've been working on building Urban Global Health Alliance.
And our single focus at Urban Global Health Alliance is to change the culture of health in this country, you know, through public policy, education, and of course, advocacy.
So we've been doing that work.
And I think the work That we're really doing kind of spun out of the meeting that we had last year.
I think when you were here fighting for medical exemptions, for New Jersey's to keep medical exemptions, I think because of all the work that you've been doing and I've been doing, it was a perfect synergy for me to take an institution by the throat, like the Urban Global Health Alliance, which we created after that meeting,
to push it out into the world because we believed in the Black community and the white community that retail, advocacy, education, and public policy was the way to start to bring the debate together, like bring our communities together, white and Black together, to talk about how we can unify The fight against this tyranny that we see that's in full bloom now.
So from last year to this year, I've been to 57 cities, 37 states.
Last year to this year, I helped to co-produce the movie Medical Racism, which has been really I mean, people are responding to that all over the country, white and black, which I'm very, very happy about.
And this year, we have moved beyond just giving speeches.
One of the things I think people see me as giving speeches every day, but I'm building institutions every day that's going to drive Or give us the ability to move past the world that we live in today to build a bridge to a better future for us.
That we can still have ownership in our lives.
We can still love our families.
We can still be free to breathe.
We can make the decisions around our body sovereignty.
That we will embrace informed consent and educate how we can all work together to do that.
So this year, you know, I'm a part of the NITAC consortium with Dr.
Sin Lee and Dr.
Henry Healy and Dr.
James Waller and Dr.
Cahill.
And we're working on breaking the backs of the PCR test.
I think you might have heard something about that.
This year, you know, I went on a national tour through the heartland where I was pretty amazed how awakened, not awoke, how awakened America is to this issue and how they're prepared and working together to fight back against the tyranny.
I think one of the greatest tyrannies of our time, big pharma, big tech, The banking industry, the education cartel.
I call it the education cartel for many, many reasons.
So I've really been excited.
And then we created a development corporation that we're looking at properties all around the country to build community again.
You know, to what does it mean to build community?
So we've done that called PROBLE, which means new community.
And I have some history in the development space.
I grew up in community economic development.
I've ran several nonprofits.
I've ran several real estate operations where we did large commercial developments, creating jobs all through the city of New York and greater New Jersey.
So I've taken all of that history and I've kind of put fire underneath me to really start to say, listen, in order for us to be free, in order for us to fight against the segregation of our time, in order for us to fight against Against bigotry of our time, we need to bring all those things together and start working to show people that if we work together, we can build that bridge to the future.
So that's what I'm really excited about.
So when people see me talking, it comes from a long history of understanding how to build communities, a long history of understanding how governments work, a long history of what institutional science we need to break away from what we see, I think, as some of the most horrible things That are happening to black communities all around the world.
There's a poll that just came out, a national poll, that showed that the two demographics that are most, what they call vaccine applicants, are PhDs and African Americans.
How do you explain that?
Well, I'm surprised PhDs were in that list.
I never knew they were really smart.
I got a couple of them in my family.
You're going to beat me up about that.
But I got to tell you, you have to understand, Black Americans have a deeper understanding of these industries better than anyone, and in particular, Big Farmer, with all of the chronic illness in our community.
What all of the experimentation that has happened in our community, what they understand that they don't ever need to or ever want to trust the system that has trapped them into the health system that they are now paying more attention to because of this COVID narrative that came out, that more Black Americans are dying of COVID Than anybody else.
Not saying that we're the most chronically ill because of the things that we have accepted in our own lives, but the things that this industry has been perpetuating for the last 50 to 60 some odd years.
And I think that they understand it.
And I think they are willing to now wake up and start fighting back against it.
I mean, better than I actually thought they weren't.
I didn't think they understood it.
But guess what?
I was wrong.
And I'm very proud to say that Black Americans are really, really waking up, really doing more research, really turning off the TV, really going back and looking at the history, looking at Margaret Sanger, looking at eugenics, looking at Tuskegee, look what's happening in Africa.
And they are tying it all together.
And they're asking a very important question.
When did white America and this industry ever care about us that much that they want to give us something for free?
I think that was very basic.
Somebody said that to me one day, and I was like, wow, that's pretty simple.
I never thought about it that way.
But think about it.
Like when that, you know, now they have lotteries now for the take the, I call it the injection of whatever you want to call it.
And now they're saying that if you go to your job, we'll give you a bonus.
Oh, by the way, we'll give you better housing.
Oh, by the way, we'll give you an opportunity to go to better schools.
Now, that is coercion at a whole other level.
I mean, that's what that is.
And I think that Black Americans now are saying, now you're going to force us to take it because you're going to take out jobs?
Well, that's a problem for us.
And I think that this is the trigger.
Six months ago, I didn't understand it, but now the trigger has happened.
And I think Black Americans are waking up and pushing back.
I was in New York the other day speaking in front of some union members.
I could see the energy.
I could see the thinking.
I can see their brains opening up to the fact that We're in a crisis to save our humanity.
I just spoke in New York again at Columbus Circle, and guess what?
The same energy, the same focus, black and white, everybody coming together.
It reminds me of the civil rights movement in the sense that people are starting to say, we have to come together to fight against this.
This is not about race.
It is not about class.
It is about power, period.
That's right.
Tell me some more of that.
What kind of stories are you seeing or hearing on the ground?
Who are these people?
Are they mothers?
Are they grandmothers?
Are they old people?
Are they young black men and women?
All of the above.
I mean, to have the privilege to go across the country and not run for office is a pleasure.
It was really wonderful.
So let me tell you what I'm hearing in the heart lane.
Kevin, we need to do something.
We want to fight back.
We're going to go after our school boards.
Guess what?
How do we do the rest of it?
I said, educate yourself and absorb the power you already have in you.
Now, let me tell you what that means.
When I'm talking to the heartland, they're basically with us now.
I didn't know that.
They're basically tied in.
They're like, we don't trust the government anyway.
And let me tell you what they have done to us.
Let me tell you what they have done to our land.
Let me tell you what they have done to our rights.
So they are like really in a position to say, hey, we don't want any part of this.
We want to work with you.
It's not about race, Kevin.
And then the emotional side of it is, how could they do this to us?
How could they take our rights from us?
And I have one message for them when they do that.
Every time I get off the stage, Bobby, women are crying.
Men are coming up and hugging me.
Men are saying, Kevin, I'm so happy you're having this conversation with us.
We thought people in the North or people around the country didn't like us.
Guess what?
We're willing to work with anybody.
We want to educate ourselves.
Can you come back?
Can you have more meetings in our community?
Can you show the documentary on medical racism?
I've done that every city I've gone to, but not on this tour, because it was like we were just moving so fast.
But I got to tell you, they're waking up in the heartland in the Midwest.
When I come closer to the Northeast, I think people are starting to see it, in particular in the Black community, because you have Black leaders that are telling Black Americans, it's okay to take an experiment of biologic.
That might destroy you as a group.
It's okay.
So what they're doing now, they're looking at all of those people and say, we don't trust you anymore.
We're looking at the information.
Why are you putting pressure on our jobs?
Why are you saying, if I work for the New York Housing Authority, I have to take an experimental biologic?
You should know better, Black leader.
You should know better, Black church.
You should know better, Black medical professional.
You should know better.
Why are you teaching us?
Why are you telling us that?
And that's where the resistance is.
There's a lot of people quietly That have been following us, Bobby, over the last year and a half and probably following you longer than me.
So, but they understand and they trust us because we've been in the middle of this fight one way or another.
You know, fighting for human rights, fighting for stronger communities, fighting for economic development in our community, building projects where people can have quality living, quality shopping, quality, you know, family time, building new kinds of schools that will allow us to build effective human capital for the future.
But now they see it in full bloom that if they don't fight back now, they won't have anything available to them ever.
They understand what the banking system is doing.
They understand what the education cartel is doing.
They understand that they don't trust the medical industry.
And what the medical industry has been, the big pharma has been very clever of trying to position Black Americans that look like me to do it.
So I always remind people that that's what happened during Margaret Sanger, during the eugenics era.
So it's really interesting.
Explain that to people, that Margaret Sanger had a project who was eugenicist, who was a racist eugenicist, who started Glenn Barenhood.
She did a project to recruit black preachers.
In her private notes, she says we've got to convince blacks and We don't want to kill them all.
But it's clear for Venosa that's exactly what she wanted to do.
She wanted to get these guys.
We call it the Negro Project.
It was a book, and I think I've read this book.
Yeah, right, right.
The Negro Project.
And what she did was she actually went around the country convincing prominent Black Americans, prominent Black ministers, To convince Black people, Black women, Black families to abort their children, which are part of her master plan because she thought that Black people were not worthy to live the life that they were living.
She thought they were unclean.
They were uneducated.
She thought that they should be wiped out, that Black people had no place on this earth, and that she was singular focus on Black white supremacy.
That was the key, her key movement, white supremacy.
Even Nazis came to talk to her about how could they do the same thing to the Jews in Germany.
But what she did, and people don't understand this, and we're seeing it again, Black Americans that call themselves leaders in the church, Black Americans that call themselves political leaders, Black Americans that are pseudo-activists, Black Americans that are intellectual, pseudo-intellectuals, they have now been paid off To go into our communities and lie to the people.
Basically trap them back into a system where they will live in perpetual slavery.
Now that is evil.
When your own kind that looks like you, understanding the history that we have, understanding the troubles that we've had, understanding all of the health conditions that we have, that they will come into our community and tell people it's alright to give your body back over to the same people that have been trying to annihilate you.
That is very frightening.
Black Americans have the lowest vaccination rate of any demographic.
I think it's around 30%, 23%.
What happens when Bill de Blasio, the mayor of New York, says that unless you can show a vaccine passport, You cannot get into a shoe store.
You cannot take public transportation.
You can't go to the back of the bus.
You can't get on the bus.
You can't go to a bar or a gym or any public entertainment or public parks even.
I know how you feel about that because you've written about it.
And I'm basically just mimicking what you've said.
So let's hear it.
Let's hear it first.
Well, I gotta tell you, I think the bow has broken.
I think when he did that, I think he gave all of us that have been trying to educate and give power to people and give them the tools to fight back, I think he's helped us.
Because that is what it is.
It is racist.
It says that we are unclean.
It's saying that the same doors that I've fought for 60 years, 200 years, 100 years to get in, are going to be closed to me.
And it's going to have a direct impact on Black Americans.
I think what he did was give us the right thing.
That we need to understand that this is real.
I think Black Americans now understand this is real.
And I think they're prepared to fight back and join with all of the other people in New York.
I think New York is going to be alive in the next several months.
And I think that every restaurant that's saying, you can't come in.
And this is what I said at the speech yesterday.
I said, listen.
If you go into a restaurant, the same thing that happened to us in the 60s, 60-some-odd years ago, couldn't go into a diner because we were unclean, couldn't drink at the faucet because we were unclean, couldn't swim in swimming pools because we were unclean, couldn't travel because we were unclean.
We had to work through that system to get to where we are now to go in reverse.
I think Black Americans, Latinos, Jewish Americans, Greek Americans, anyone that came from other parts of the world that had to live in this way, they're going to understand it.
And it's going to give us more strength to beat them.
I think these people are moving fast.
They know time is running out.
And so they're trying to put us in a position of desperation.
No, we shouldn't be desperate.
We should say no.
We're not going to eat in those places.
We should do what they did in France, picnic outdoors.
No one should go into those places.
None of us should participate in it.
We should be saying no.
So if you can't go into a park, you got to stop paying taxes for a park.
If you can't get on the bus, you got to stop paying taxes for MTA. You have to divest yourself from that tyranny.
If not, they win.
You can't be comfortable and say, oh, it's not affecting me.
I grew up in Virginia and I was born in 1954.
My parents had a man working for our family.
His name was Bill Siegel.
He was a World War II veteran In World War II, Black Americans were not allowed to carry weapons.
But he had gone to serve his country, and he had served in the Seabees in the Pacific, which is a construction brigade, which is where a lot of Blacks ended up.
He came back, he was six foot four, very powerful man, very brilliant guy.
And when I was a kid, I liked to go catching hawks down in southern Virginia.
And he would drive me down there, and when we would go down there, we would go to places to eat lunch, and I would have to go in, order his lunch, and then I would bring it back out, and we would eat in the car.
One day, he took me to Salon Village, which was a little shopping center in McLean, Virginia, and he asked me to go into a shoe store and buy him shoes.
Because Blacks were not allowed into shoe stores.
And they had to buy shoes estimating their size.
They weren't allowed to try them on because they were regarded as disease carrying.
And that's why so many Blacks, when I was a kid, had corns on their feet.
They were famous for having chronic foot problems.
And the reason for that is because they weren't allowed into stores to try on their shoes.
They had to take whatever they bought.
Whatever size it was, they had to keep it.
And those laws, my state, a black man was not allowed to marry a white woman.
They had to be buried in a black cemetery.
They were identified by race on their birth certificate, their death certificate.
They weren't allowed to drink at drinking fountains.
They had their own public parks, et cetera, and transportation.
And that system was called Jim Crow.
Right.
And is this kind of a new Jim Crow that we're headed into?
Well, yeah.
You know, one of the things, Bobby, I've been very careful because over the last several years, I've seen the term Jim Crow.
I've seen the word systemic racism, structural racism be manipulated by a group of people that I don't believe care about Black Americans at all.
That's why this whole race narrative is so scary to me, because it's not about that.
But if you want to put it in those terms, Jim Crow was just about that.
Complete control of your body.
You know, you couldn't travel.
You know, you're right.
We couldn't go into stores.
But what we did, though, this is very interesting.
We went and built other local economies.
We built our own churches.
We built our own schools.
We built our own businesses.
And because Jim Crow emerged on us, they destroyed all of that through Tulsa, through New Jersey, through Virginia.
Everywhere we built black communities that were strong and investing in a community and investing in the future of America, they destroyed that because they saw us as the economic engine for their wealth.
Because remember, in the South, you know, they weren't trained to do anything.
The slave ran the whole house, ran everything.
So when we left and we started building a future for ourselves after Reconstruction, during Reconstruction, the white person at that time in the South, what did they want?
They said, no, we can't have that because we can't take care of ourselves.
They have to come back here basically and take care of us.
And we want this Jim Crow to take over and create policies that did what?
Those policies eviscerated the Black community.
Based on all the things you just said, but it's deeper than that.
It happened at the hospitals, right?
It happened everywhere where we lived and where we worked.
We could not go in to do the things that were necessary to protect our health, to protect our children, to protect our business, to protect the future of our group.
And it's coming back again.
But this is slightly different.
All of these forces now, they're students of that history.
So what they're going to do is not only are they going to trap us into poverty, but they're going to eviscerate what we look like in the future.
What does my grandson life looks like in the future?
What does my great-great-great-grandson life looks like in the future?
So I always try to tell people, understand the history, deeply understand the history, but understand where we're going now.
And guess what?
This is Jim Crow that's just not going to affect Black Americans.
It's going to affect everyone.
Everyone.
Everyone will be touched by this.
So it's not a Black issue now.
It's a universal issue, and that's what I'm trying to echo out there now.
You know, I think it's good that we focus on justice and on race, but I have this very uncomfortable feeling that this is not about bringing people together.
It's about dividing people so that we can focus on the differences between ourselves, the old bourbon strategy.
And we're not looking at what Bill Gates is doing and Mark Zuckerberg and Mike Bloomberg and the people who run these networks who control all the media in our country We're now making themselves billionaires by impoverishing the rest of us.
And it keeps us from focusing.
Yeah, you're right about that, Bobby.
Look, you talked about transfer of wealth.
You're talking about over $17 trillion.
I'm just talking about between Clinton, Bush Jr., Obama, Trump.
I mean, maybe $17 trillion, even more than that.
And this next transfer of wealth based on...
That's right.
But I got to tell you, the reason why race is always used when it comes to the Black community is because it's a trigger.
Oh, race.
You know, white people are against us.
Or, you know, some other group out there stopping us from progressing.
Oh, by the way, these policies are in place to stop us from engaging in commerce and building community.
But this is what I try to explain to people.
Let me get this straight.
Because, you know, I live in a city.
You know, I live in a Black community, predominantly Black community.
My family has helped to build this community.
I've worked in government.
I've lobbied in D.C. I've lobbied in Trenton.
I've done all kinds of projects to bring growth to my community, economic development, looking at my cities as emerging markets.
White Americans are not destroying our communities.
We are.
And they have black mayors and black councilmen and black professionals in their communities.
Black, white peaked in those board members to do that.
We're not participating.
So when people start talking to me about race, I find it very interesting.
I'm like, well, why are we talking about race when we should be looking at our health conditions in our own community and taking control over that?
We should be looking at how to create better schools and better children, educating our children so they can participate in this emerging market.
Why is our government who set policies We're creating a narrative that somebody out there is doing something harmful to us when we just had a Black president.
We had a Black US Attorney General.
We got Black judges.
We have Black...
So wait a minute.
So let me get this straight.
So I understand systemic racism.
But I have people in Congress that look like me.
I have people in Senate that looks like me.
I have a party they might call the Democratic Party that says they care about me.
But when I look and do a trajectory of all of their policies, it doesn't reflect any growth for my community whatsoever.
Not whatsoever.
So when I have that kind of conversation, it makes people uncomfortable.
But the reason I can have it is because I lived it.
Because I've seen it.
And we have to be responsible for the future of our community.
The barbarian at the gate is not the problem.
The barbarian inside the gate is the problem.
And we have to have people that look like us stop masquerading like they're concerned about us when they already have sold us out.
Now, I hate to use that word sold out as overused, but they work for them.
They have chosen a side.
Anyway, so for me, that's where I'm at.
You know, I'm trying to get us focused on that.
Because Black Americans, we stay on the issue of race too much, and not talking about what do we do to make our communities better.
And this health issue, this health issue that's happening right now, this health crisis right now is starting that new dialogue.
People are starting to talk about chronic illness in our community.
People are saying maybe we should not trust our doctors that don't really care about holistic health.
You know, people are really starting to dig deep.
I get a lot of calls now about, Kevin, what do you think we should do?
Kevin, well, I didn't know this.
Kevin, I didn't understand this.
Kevin, how can you bring people around the table to have this discussion?
And I walked them through it.
I'm like, okay, this is where we are.
This is where we're coming from.
Here are all the partners that are part of us that are participating in it.
And we have a decision to make.
What's the decision?
Are we going to surrender?
Or are we going to fight back?
Are we going to take the lessons of Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, Megha Evers, Ida B. Wells, Frederick Douglass, you know, Paul Robeson?
Or are we going to surrender?
Are we going to go back and look at history?
And say it's happening all over again, but it should never happen again.
And should we empower ourselves to say, no, that's it.
No, we're not going to do it.
No, we're not listening to you anymore.
Are you going to turn off your TV? Are you going to trust you?
Are you going to trust your God?
Because one of the things I've been noticing is the Black church has, without question, abandoned Black America.
They now work for them.
And when I say that, people say, Kevin, that's not true.
I say, well, show me one Black minister right now in your inner city that has come out and said, something is wrong with this.
And so when I challenge the Black church, because I've invested in the Black church, I've challenged the Black church because I'm a part of the Black church.
I've challenged the Black church because I understand Professor Cohn's theology, the liberating theology of Jesus Christ.
I understand it.
So I've studied under Dr.
Vincertema, studied under Dr.
Ben, studied under Dr.
Scobie, studied under Dr.
I've studied underneath all of them.
So the history is right there and is real for me.
So from an economic perspective, from a social perspective, from a community development perspective, from a business perspective, I've seen all of it.
It is right here in front of us.
If we don't start to push back in a very aggressive way, we will lose everything that we even think we attain.
And that's where I'm at right now, Bob.
Kevin, thank you so much for joining us.
Please tell our audience how they can support you and what you're doing and what you're up to now, how they can come and see you when you travel.
Well, I travel extensively.
I've been all over the country, but you can go to our website, Urban Global Health Alliance, and support us because we definitely need your support.
Last year when we started, we started with a nickel and we have people now calling and giving us support every day.
And so this is a very arduous project that we're working on because we're fully committed to it.
So if you can contribute to us at urbanglobalhealthalliance.com, we would greatly appreciate it because we need it.
We need it.
And you're about to go on tour, right?
Yeah, we're about to go on tour.
We're doing a medical apartheid tour where we're going to four cities, Los Angeles, Georgia, Detroit, and Chicago.
That's the first phase.
And we're putting on panel discussions with prominent doctors, Prominent lawyers, constitutional lawyers, prominent leaders in their community.
To educate Black Americans about what's at their doorstep, what medical apartheid is, the new discrimination, the new segregation, you know, and what COVID is getting ready to do to our lives.
When medical racism, when we did the documentary, now we're getting ready to go into all of these cities and have a bigger conversation that they have not had.
So I've been very, very blessed to be able to do that.
At Urban Global Health Alliance, we work every day, 24 hours a day, Retail, retail, retail, retail.
Because we realized that if we didn't inject ourselves right in the middle of those communities, right, nobody would be listening to us.
You can watch too many podcasts.
You could do that every day.
But we had to go meet them where they were.
So Angela Stanton King...
And that's Martin Luther King's niece, right?
Yes.
The American King Foundation...
And Urban Global Health Alliance are partnering to go to those cities to open up a bigger dialogue about what's getting ready to happen.
So UrbanGlobalHealthAlliance.com, we need you to contribute to us like today.
