Ghost and Ozone condemn the Republican Party's embrace of social liberalism, citing John McCain's amnesty support as a betrayal of conservative principles. They argue government entitlements dismantle traditional families while Chinese trade deals devalue American labor and contaminate consumer goods. The hosts reject both major parties as tools of global socialism, advocating instead for grassroots movements or third-party alternatives to restore sovereignty against perceived liberal media dominance and federal incompetence. [Automatically generated summary]
Because this ridiculous BTR switchboard says that I'm not even on the switchboard.
So there's a couple of people in here right now.
This is an impromptu show.
We're doing it late this evening because I had a pretty good show last evening, which lasted about four to six hours or something of that nature on Ozone's political intervention show.
I just wanted to ask the people in the chat room if they could hear me.
Because right now, the BTR switchboard is showing that I'm not even on the air.
I mean, BTR has been kind of messing with me these days.
They've been trying to utilize trickery on me.
They cut off my shows in mid-show.
They do all kinds of precarious situations.
And it's really disgusting.
So if somebody can tell me if they can hear me or not here, let me type in the chat room.
Let me go ahead and type in the chat room and see what's going on.
And if they can't hear me, well, then I'll go ahead and call in once again to see if the switchboard can go ahead and rectify its problem and go ahead and broadcast me on a normal level up in here.
You know, it's unfortunate that BTR is having this kind of problems.
Anyway, if you can hear me or not, you're listening to the true conservative radio.
You're listening to Ghost.
Okay, if you can't hear me, I'll go ahead and recall in.
I'll go ahead and call in once again.
Let me see if I can do it again.
Okay, I'm hoping that I'm back on here.
You know, BTR is kind of being kind of screwy.
I'm back on, and hopefully everybody can hear me.
This is a late night show, like I stated previous, and I'm sorry for the delay.
This is True Conservative Radio, an impromptu show.
I'm the host, the man they call Ghost here.
And the only reason that I'm pulling off another show once again is because Ozone, and I'm glad to see Ozone here in the chat room with us, you know, he inspired me to go ahead and do another one of these late night shows, and I thought it was rather fun.
I thought it was a pretty good activity.
As a matter of fact, he brought two of my arch BTR enemies, and he hosted a show that kind of confronted not only me, but the two enemies that we discussed issues with last evening, which was MD Conservative and Jen.
And obviously, me and Jen still have our troubles, but me and MD Conservative were able to come to some sort of common ground.
And at the same time, I mean, it was like a six-hour broadcast, and it was probably a fun time, probably one of the funnest times that I've had online in probably a long time that I can recollect.
And I just wanted to go ahead and throw another impromptu show, see whoever comes in.
And I can see that I've got some people in here.
Paul Bitson runs a great conservative radio show.
If you happen to be hearing this show live or on the archive, I definitely suggest you go see his show.
The Ozone, which runs political intervention, which is another good conservative show.
I suggest you go out and look for that one as well.
And Guerrilla News Radio, which is a great humorous show.
As a matter of fact, I've listened to a few of their shows, and I really love the Tom Cruise show that y'all did there, Guerrilla News, which is Dan, by the way.
Dan is the one talking for Guerrilla News at this point.
But there's three guys on that show.
It's a great show.
So I'm glad all three of you guys are in here.
And I mean, I'm just glad to do it.
Anyway, this is an impromptu show.
I mean, there's really no objective or any kind of subject matter on the agenda this evening.
I'm just seeing what's going on out there, folks.
I mean, I'm pretty disenchanted with the political system out here, like most of you know.
I know that the Republican Party has embraced social liberalism.
You know, it's a sad situation.
We're going to have more regulation, more government bureaucracy being implemented from a Republican if we decide to vote for him, or if you do the Ann Coulter, you know, the Ann Coulter approach, which is Ann Coulter suggested she's going to go out and vote for Hillary Clinton as some sort of a protest against the Republicans.
And I think that's malarkey.
I think that's just garbage.
And I like Ann Coulter.
I think she's a conservative.
But to sit here and suggest that conservatives should go out and vote for Hillary Rotten Clinton as some sort of a protest is just garbage.
I mean, it really is.
And like I've suggested, I'm just going to stay home, to be honest with you.
I know a lot of Republicans, and this is what we were discussing last evening, you know, they're pretty mad.
I mean, they're pretty upset at the fact that I'm going to stay home and I'm encouraging true conservatives to stay home when it comes to the presidential election as well, because I think that we need, as true conservatives, as people that believe that Roe v. Wade needs to be reversed, people that believe in the American family, I think that we need to get together and come back up at a grassroots level.
That's the only way where we're going to have any type of influence whatsoever is if we come back with a grassroots level.
And it's pretty sad, really.
And I'm getting a statement here from Guerrilla News Radio right out of the chat room.
He asked me if I've ever looked at the Constitution Party.
And no, I haven't.
As a matter of fact, I've never heard of them.
If you have any links or have any information on them, I'll be more than happy to read into them.
Because let me tell you something, I'm so disenchanted, and I'm a lifelong Republican.
I mean, I voted for I mean, I voted in a lot of elections, and I'm a lifelong Republican.
And to sit here and watch the transition between conservative Republican into a social liberal Republican, I mean, this is what we're seeing.
And it's really, really sad because, I mean, you even got true conservatives or so-called true conservatives, leaders of the conservative movement, obliging themselves saying that we need to just go ahead and just eat this crap sandwich and look back at the Republican Party with a crap-eating grin on your face and say, oh, yeah, it's really good food.
No, I'm not going to do it.
I'm not going against my own principles to vote for a social liberal like John McCain.
And John McCain is like one or two issues away from being a full-out liberal.
This is a man who wanted to use his authority to regulate boxing.
Like, that's government's job.
You know, we've got all these people out here, Americans that are in economic peril, you know, that are having a tough time feeding their families, and yet we want to go ahead and regulate boxing.
You got McCain putting his name on bills that, especially McCain-Feingold, which is unconstitutional.
It has financially retarded the Republican Party, and it's helped the Democrats that much more.
I mean, you hear the amount of millions of dollars that the Democrats are generating, and it's based on the foundation of this McCain-feingold bill.
And then you look at the amnesty that we've, or excuse me, the amnesty that McCain wants to give out under the McCain-Kennedy bill.
I mean, he basically wants to give 20 million illegal immigrants who are devaluing the cost of labor in America.
He just wants to go ahead and give them amnesty.
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Oh, they're just trying to give their families a better life.
That's all they're doing.
I mean, and that's the excuse.
That's the humanitarian spin that these liberals try to put on this immigration issue.
But what they don't understand or don't even want to acknowledge is the fact that these illegal immigrants are ruining the American dream for American families.
They're ruining the American dream for the average everyday American.
And that's what's unfortunate.
And on top of that, on top of that, we've got to deal with the international community when it comes to economics.
We're being outbid for manufacturing jobs by communist China.
And believe me, I hate China.
And I think maybe we should talk about this this evening since we've got some conservatives in here.
You know, China to me is just the great Satan, if you will.
I mean, China is sitting here basically becoming the textile and manufacturing hub of the international community.
I mean, you can't even go to a store anymore and look on the tags without seeing China all over the tag.
You know what I'm saying?
And what's unfortunate is that they're utilizing communism, this whole ideology of communism, to exploit labor out of their population.
And who's making all the money?
I mean, they're paying their population, what, 15, 20 cents an hour?
Who's making all the manufacturing dollars?
The Communist Party.
And it's just ridiculous.
I don't understand why more Chinese aren't catching wind of this.
This whole communist garbage that they're living under is a quasi-communist capitalist system.
I mean, basically, the Communist Party, which are the elitist in Chinese government, or the elitist in Chinese society for that matter, they are utilizing people to fulfill labor activities and to fill the responsibility of labor.
And they're only paying these people not even a fraction.
I would say a minute percentage or a decimal point of what these people are reaping the rewards on the international market.
And I think it's sick.
It's disgusting.
And to be honest with you, I don't know why we're bowing down to China as far as America is concerned.
What we should be doing is we should be treating China as a threat.
I mean, look at all the goods they're bringing into our country.
You know, you've got, what was it, the Aqua Dots?
I mean, I shouldn't say any names of any companies because I've been emailed by a couple of television shows that I've criticized.
Discrediting Social Conservatives00:09:12
I've criticized Britney Spears' sister.
I can't even say the name of the show anymore because I've been emailed by these people that they're threatening me with litigation if I talk any more about Britney Spears' sister's show.
I can't even mention her by name anymore.
So that's why I sit here and say Britney Spears' sister.
It's on a prominent network, you know, geared towards children.
And here you have Britney Spears' sister, 16 years old, getting pregnant all over the mainstream media when it happened.
And here I have to explain to my five-year-old granddaughter.
I mean, because I'm a news junkie.
I mean, I don't use the mainstream media for any type of substance.
I think it's more political theater of anything else.
But, I mean, while I was watching the media, you know, my granddaughter, she was just running around, you know, and I have a big home.
You know, I have a game room.
I have all kinds of amenities in my home here.
And, you know, she came across me when I was watching the television set.
And what happened?
I had to sit here and explain to my granddaughter why her hero, Brittany Spears' sister, is pregnant.
Anyway, I know I'm going off track here, folks, but all this has a correlation.
You know, the blatant infiltration of social liberalism in the Republican Party, the blatant, absolute social ills becoming the social norms.
I can go on and on.
It's unfortunate.
It's really unfortunate.
And what's really unfortunate is you got everybody embracing liberalism.
I hear a lot of people that are trying to call themselves conservative out here embracing the fact that, well, you know what?
If the American family is being decimated, well, that's all there is to it.
And that's what I was debating with a couple of Republicans last evening about, well, something needs to be done about it.
Maybe the government needs to give some sort of tax breaks or some sort of initiative to maintain the American family.
Because it was the family, folks, that created this country.
It was the family that is the foundation of humanity.
If you look back at the earliest of Indian tribes, what kept those folks together?
The family.
And now we're seeing the decimation of the American family implemented because of liberalism.
Liberalism.
And it's not just on the left.
It's not just the Democrats.
It's not just Hillary Rotten Clinton and Barack Hussein Obama out here.
It's also the people on the right.
It's also John Turncoat McCain.
And, you know, Mike Huckabee, this guy's the biggest joke of all time.
First of all, he's discrediting the social conservatives.
He is discrediting the social conservatives by making us look like a bunch of zealots.
I mean, he's trying to say that we need to change the Constitution in something that looks like the Bible.
And I think that's disgusting.
Anyway, folks, it's just an open forum.
This is an impromptu show.
You're listening to True Conservative Radio.
I'm usually on every Friday, Saturday, and Sunday, 9 p.m. Central Time.
But this is BTR.
I decided to go ahead and throw an impromptu show.
Nobody throws shows on this late, and I don't understand why.
I mean, everybody gets bored.
Everybody's just, you know, worked hard.
You know, they have some time to themselves.
They're surfing the internet.
They'd like to hear some sort of commentary, something that they can agree with, disagree with, like, or hate, and that's why I'm up here.
Anyway, I'd like for you to call in if you're listening.
And you're more than welcome to call anybody of any ideology.
Please, 646-652-4869 is the number to call.
And if you want to chime in about anything, just call in.
This is a free format.
Everybody knows that I'm a true conservative.
I know that a lot of Republicans hate me, but I've turned my back on the Republican Party.
I've taken the Republican out of the show's name because Republicans are no longer utilizing conservatism as the root foundation of their party.
And it's obvious by this embracing of John McCain, it goes to show you that we're seeing a transition.
I mean, this is a new era where we're going into here.
And I really beg all of you that are out there that are conservatives that are trying to hold your nose and go into the voting booth and voting for John McCain based on a party loyalty.
I really beg you to reconsider.
I mean, look at who you're voting for here.
Do you actually believe that this man is going to abide himself to conservative principles?
He hasn't suggested it at all.
On the contrary, when he went to CPAC and made that big speech, I mean, he wasn't conciliatory.
He wasn't compassionate.
He didn't even want to acknowledge the fact that he'll compromise his particular social liberal views to help implement some sort of social conservatism or help to facilitate conservative values.
He didn't make any promises.
He didn't do anything.
All he said was, well, I need you conservatives to win.
And you know, Mike Huckabee, you notice there's really mathematically no way.
All right?
There's mathematically no way that this man is going to win the nomination for the Republican Party.
And why is he continuing to run?
That's a good question.
Why is the man continuing on?
I'll tell you why he's continuing on.
He's trying to rally the social conservative base.
He's trying to rally all the conservative base and tout all this social conservatism and all this nonsense because he knows he's not going to get the nomination.
But he's touting all this crap so that he can deliver it to John McCain.
So it can basically build himself up to maybe a vice president candidacy, maybe something in the cabinet.
It's really sad what's happening to the Republican Party, folks, and that's why, I mean, I hate to say this.
You know, I hate to say this, but the Republican Party has been hijacked by liberals.
All right?
I mean, it really is.
And Jimmy Skills asks, what is a conservative?
What is a conservative?
Well, you know, conservatism, unfortunately, because the Republican Party has been hijacked by social liberals, they're trying to redefine what conservatism is.
Excuse me.
You've got this Nimrod John McCain.
He's trying to justify that he's conservative based on his international, international relations, which means, you know, he's for war and all this other nonsense.
And at the same time, he's also trying to ride the fact that he's a fiscal conservative because he's against pork barrel spending.
And that's also a bunch of nonsense because John McCain just recently signed in a bill to give away $10 million of taxpayer money to Arizona University.
So, I mean, you know, give me a break, McCain.
You know, you're a farce.
You're a farce.
You're a sellout to the liberal establishment.
And I will be damned, okay?
I will be damned if I vote for this man.
I've suggested I'm going to stay home when it comes to the presidential election.
I mean, because there's no conservatives.
I mean, all we can do is conservative folks that, you know, and when I mean conservative, I mean people that are pro-life, people that believe in the American family.
People that believe that the social ills that are becoming prevalent in today's society are absolutely wrong.
And what I mean by social ills, I mean people that are having five, six, seven kids from five or six, seven different partners.
I'm talking about five or six, seven different divorces.
I mean, this is what you're having is the prevalence of the social norm.
This is what the social norm is now.
And nobody's talking about it.
You notice, even in the debates last evening that I had with Republicans, they don't even want to acknowledge it.
I mean, they'll acknowledge it, but they don't care.
They could give two rats asses.
Honestly, they could give two rats asses.
And, you know, it's really unfortunate.
I mean, it really makes me want to puke up, you know, some nasty, nasty things.
I mean, as a matter of fact, every time I think about it, the ham and cheese sandwich that I have every night always wants to, you know, regurgitate itself up back to my esophagus because it's so sickening to me what's happening to America.
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I mean, you know, American families is what kept people going, folks.
And now I'm being looked at cross-eyed like I just farted on somebody's best suit or something when I'm suggesting the fact that we need to save the American family.
I mean, this is what this is what I'm being chastised not only by left-wing communists, but I'm being chastised by right-wing Republicans because nobody wants to save this American family.
I don't understand this.
I don't understand this at all.
And it really gets me a little emotional because, I mean, without the American family, what do people have to work for?
I mean, it's the American family that gives people the motivation, the will, the courage, the responsibility to go out, work 15 hours a day, get your nails dirty, to put clothes on your family's back, to put roof over their head, to put food on the table.
I mean, that's why people go out and do those things.
But now that you have a prevalence of single-parent families, I mean, this used to be the social minority.
I mean, let alone, I mean, it was a social ill, but now it's become the social majority.
I mean, look at the television programs.
Now, I know I've been emailed by the executives that make Britney Spears' sister show on not to comment on her show, but let me comment to you on a couple other shows.
You know, there's a show that, you know, my grandchildren watch, which, you know, I particularly don't care for, but there's really not much choice out there, to be honest with you.
But there's a show called The Sweet Life of Zach and Cody.
Okay, and this is a Disney Channel show.
Now, what's the premise of the show?
Well, you know, it's a really little sweet show.
You know, the two little twin kids, you know, they're getting into wacky little dilemmas, you know, real innocent type of thing.
But if you look at the background of everything, okay, these twins, Zach and Cody, that's what it's called, the sweet life of Zach and Cody.
These two twins are living in a hotel.
Okay, this is the premise of the show.
They are living in a hotel with their single mother because their mother is a lounge act singer.
I kid you not, you can look on Disney Channel and you will see this, The Sweet Life of Zach and Cody.
Republican Hosts Dedicate Shows00:09:05
Okay?
And you're going to see the fact that they're emphasizing that it's okay to go ahead and live in a hotel as a single parent family.
And you noticed, I mean, I don't know if you've seen this show, but if you really look at it critically, you'll see that the mother's really never around.
And the kids are doing whatever they want to do.
That's why they're getting into such little wacky, little, innocent dilemmas and that sort of thing.
Because the mother's not around.
If she's not out there singing her lounge act, she's probably hopping on something that looks good in a leather jacket.
Of course, they're not showing that in the show, but they always show these kids alone.
They always show these kids just by themselves, you know, no type of no type of adult supervision whatsoever.
And you see, this is what I'm talking about, folks.
This is what I'm talking about.
This has become the prevalent social norm.
And I've been criticized by Republicans because they feel that I should not be a political show.
You know, they think that I don't know what they think I should be.
But to be honest with you, I mean, this is what conservatism used to be about.
As a matter of fact, when the Mormon, when the Mormon decided to drop out of the presidential Republican race, I'm talking about Mitt Romney, he announced it at CPAC.
And CPAC is a very conservative group that kind of just comes together once a year and talks about conservative.
Actually, it's a group amongst groups.
So it's kind of like a convention for conservative groups to spread ideals and listen to speeches and that sort of thing.
And this particular organization, CPAC, was organized by true conservatives, at least I thought.
And you had people blogging from CPAC.
You had people here on BTR, the Blog Talk Radio Network.
You had people broadcasting from there.
And especially one guy, this idiot Ed Morrissey, who's the sacred cow around BTR for political, I don't know, political thought.
Anyway, this man was at CPAC, and he was grabbing people as they were walking.
Hey, come here, let's be interviewed.
Hey, come here.
And he got a couple of people.
He got one guy from the Heritage Foundation.
He got another guy from Save the Family, some Save the Family organization.
True conservative groups.
He sat him down, wanted their opinion on what happened.
They gave their insights on what Romney said as far as him bowing out of the race.
And then Ed Morrissey asked him, well, what are the Republicans supposed to do?
What exactly are they going to do since there's nobody really supporting the conservative principles?
And you know what these idiots said?
And I'm talking about people from the Heritage Foundation, a couple of family groups, true conservatives.
You know what they said?
Well, you know, we got to vote for John McCain.
We just got to do it.
We just got to do it.
I mean, just basically submitting to this guy.
I mean, they are just going against their own principles that their own organization that they represent basically stands for.
They're going against it because they want to maintain loyalty to the party.
And I refuse to do that, and I've been chastised.
I've been called all kinds of names.
I've had personal attacks thrown at me, slanderous lies thrown at me, because I am sticking to my true conservative principles.
And I am not going to vote for a social liberal that doesn't even want to acknowledge conservative principles.
As a matter of fact, he thumbs his nose at it.
I mean, he spits on conservatives.
He doesn't even want to say, look, okay, I know that maybe we disagreed on certain issues, but, hey, maybe we can compromise.
Maybe we can come to grips on certain issues like this, this, and this.
He doesn't even want to describe it.
He doesn't want to talk about it.
Because this man's a social liberal.
And I feel sorry for most Republicans that are out there.
And I'm a lifelong Republican, folks, and believe me, I've been alive a long time.
Okay?
And to hear the Republican Party bowing down to such a social liberal, I'm telling you, it really makes me want to puke.
All right?
I mean, it really makes me want to puke up nasty chicken grease and corn oil and cream of wheat and all kinds of nasty stuff and stomach plasma the whole nine because this is just disgusting.
This is just absolutely disgusting.
Anyway, folks, you can go ahead and call in and chime in with me.
I don't mean to be harping on the Republican Party out here, but I'm a man without a party at this point.
And every true conservative is a person without a party.
Because the party has left us all, folks.
It's left us all.
Every true conservative, it just left us.
And if you want to chime in about it, whether you're a liberal, whether you're a conservative, I'd like to just give me a call.
646-652-4869 is the number to call.
We're broadcasting live here at the Blog Talk Radio Network.
This is an impromptu show, very late night.
I decided to go ahead and do one because, you know, partly because of boredom.
But secondly, I had a great show last evening, very late.
Literally, we had like a six-hour show.
I hate to admit that, but I mean, we had some great political discourse.
I confronted a lot of the Republicans that are on Blog Talk Radio.
I don't know if most of you folks out here are avid blog talk radio listeners, but there has been several different Republican hosts, I mean a handful of them, that have dedicated whole BTR shows to yours truly.
As a matter of fact, that's why I even had a show last evening.
I was listening to Ozone.
Actually, I got an email that Ozone was having a show very, very late last night.
So I decided, well, you know what?
Ozone is a good Republican, a good conservative.
I'm going to go ahead and listen to him.
So when I clicked on his show, what was the first thing, the first damn thing I heard?
What was the first thing I heard?
Oh, that ghost is a piece of garbage and all this slam.
I mean, they were talking about me, man.
I mean, they were talking about me here.
And I've never even done anything, man.
I'm a conservative, for Christ's sake.
And these people were stabbing me in the back.
These were fellow conservatives stabbing me in the back.
Benedict Arnold's kind of pricks.
Excuse my French, by the way, but I'm a little upset at the fact that these conservatives don't give two rats' asses about me.
Well, not conservatives, but Republicans, I should say.
Anyway, I'm looking here on a switchboard.
We got a couple of callers.
We're going to go ahead and start off with the 717 area code.
You're on the air.
Hey, ghost, it's Dan from GNR.
How you doing, Dan?
Good to hear from you.
You too, buddy.
You too.
And we got one more guy.
Or one more person, excuse me.
We're going to go ahead and put them 360 area code.
Hold on, let me push this again.
This is not letting them on BTR here.
Hold on, 360.
We're going to get you on the air in a second.
We've got to mess around with this ridiculous switchboard.
All right, 360, you're on the air.
Hey, this is Jimmy Steels from the Blog Talk Radio Show as well.
And no apologies necessary.
I understand how BTR works occasionally.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
So we got you two gentlemen on.
What's your thoughts on what I've been babbling about here late this evening?
Go ahead, Ghost.
You were on first, so I'm going to let you have that first one.
Dan, you mean?
Dan, go ahead, Dan.
Dan, okay, sorry.
No problem.
No problem.
Well, I mean, I know you're disaffected.
You know what I mean?
And that you're, you know, you're disenchanted with the Republican Party and stuff.
I did send those links to you in your chat room there.
Yeah, as a matter of fact, I did get them, and I'm definitely going to look into them.
Do they actually have a candidate on the ballot?
Well, you know, they choose their candidate at their national convention, which is coming up here shortly.
So then they'll have someone up and running.
But, you know, they don't, of course, they're kind of realistic in that, you know, they don't try to put somebody out there during this two-year primary season because it's a waste of time and a waste of money.
It really is because the delegates are the ones that are going to elect the candidate anyway.
Right.
Right.
So, you know, and they also are realistic in that they know they're building a grassroots party and that it's going to take time.
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And so they're not blowing smoke up anybody's ass.
They're not telling you, yeah, vote for us because we can win.
They're saying, look, we're trying to build something here.
So, you know, and actually they do have a couple of, you know, people in Washington.
There's a couple of mayors of major cities that are Constitution Party candidates, you know, belong to the CP.
Really?
So they are growing.
Yeah, you should check them out.
I definitely will check them out.
And Jimmy, you have anything to add?
I'm just really concerned about, I mean, we're talking about family values, and I'm all about family values.
I was born in 1968.
And this was at the beginning, I like to say the beginning of the exodus of the American male leaving out of the family structure.
And I'm one of, I'm probably possibly, I can't guarantee that, but I'm possibly one of the first of that generation that was raised without a father.
And for some reason, fathers just kind of disappeared.
And anything that is talking about family values, I understand and I appreciate because I'm trying to raise three children and a wife of one wife.
I haven't had a whole bunch of divorces.
I got married one time.
I commend you for that, sir.
That is a very big rarity in our modern day society.
But go ahead.
I didn't mean to say that.
Well, the secret to that is don't marry the woman you can live with, marry the woman you can't live without.
And then if you make a vow, don't ever abandon it because a vow is a vow and it's to your soul.
Amen to that.
I'm just trying to figure out, I would get behind anybody, political or sociological, anybody that could try to bring our relationships, our family relationships back to where it needs to be.
And America is suffering right now.
America is suffering because we've lost that masculine effect in our families.
There's, I don't know how many people that are single moms raising all their kids.
And there are a lot of people talking a bunch of guff about, you know, well, all these women out here trying to raise these kids and they're not doing it right.
Well, nobody ever wonders about where are the abandoned fathers.
Well, you know, to be honest with you, you know, and I don't know about your situation, so I don't talk for your situation, sir.
And I'm really sorry that, you know, you didn't have the fatherly influence that I've learned to rise above it.
Well, that's great.
But the reason in this day and age, the reason that we're having a prevalence of single-parent families, and this is just off pure observation, is the fact that we have liberalism and feminism that has not only infiltrated our public education system, but it has infiltrated our justice system.
It has infiltrated our society.
They've utilized the disguise of political correctness to basically subdue us.
And what we have here, and you can look in pop culture, you know, and this is my argument.
You know, I'm not too sure if you're familiar with modern-day pop culture.
Believe me, I keep up to date with it because you have to know what's being fed into our society.
You have obviously you know Britney Spears and her whack job ways, but o also you have you know Beyoncé Knowles, you know, who is uh a real prevalent uh pop icon in our society, who's a female.
And she sings about, you know, the only way we're gonna chill you know, this is this is her lyrics.
You you can pay my bills, you can pay all my bills, and then maybe we can chill.
That means, you know, the only way that I'm gonna talk to you is if you pay my way.
And pay my way doesn't mean, you know, just bring home the bacon and maintain sustenance and that sort of thing.
It means, you know, buy me the Dulce Gabbana purse and, you know, buy me the, you know, the extravagant gifts and that sort of thing.
And once those stop coming in, well, then you've got a divorce.
I mean, that's why there's a big correlation between a man losing his job and divorce out here.
I mean, it it's all financial.
There's no such thing anymore, in my view.
I mean, if if there is, it's a very small minority.
There's not, you know, an emphasis on love and romance and genuine affection for one's character.
Now, relationships are defined by monetary issues, which is just absolutely corrupting the American family.
And that's why you're seeing such as far as this time is concerned, that's why you're seeing such a prevalent source of single-parent families, in my view.
And I'd like for you to combat that if you have an opposition viewpoint there, Jimmy.
I don't think I have an opposition viewpoint.
I just don't understand when did men discover that it was okay to leave their children.
Well, actually, look, I mean, I'm not, you know, men leaving their children, I am not going to give them any kind of flack for that.
But we do have a justice system that allows women to go out and get these men for child support.
And I mean, granted, child support's not being a father, obviously.
But there can be some sort of financial recourse that will recoup I mean, it won't recoup the cultural benefits of having a two-parent family, but it can recoup the monetary the monetary consequences of having a one-parent family.
But at the same time, in my view, and I'm not, look, I don't give any credit to any man who's going to leave his family.
Any man who leaves his family is the scum of the earth as far as I'm concerned.
But the majority, in my view, and the only reason I'm saying that is because I'm out here.
Okay, I live in Texas.
And in Texas, we are having a high prevalence of teenage pregnancies, not only teenage pregnancies, but single-parent families.
And I go out and I ask people, you know, especially in social arenas like the mall, you know, places where I see children that are being held by one parent.
And I ask them, you know, are you single-parent?
Yes.
Why are you single-parent?
And to be honest with you, the majority, at least in Texas, and I've read statistics as far as the national social landscape is concerned, most people are getting divorced based on selfish, ridiculous, centrist reasons.
As a matter of fact, I had a caller call in a couple of weeks back.
He was a Iraqi war veteran.
He got disabled, broke his hip out there in Iraq, came back home, couldn't really do much as a husband.
He was married.
He had been married.
And what happened was he was trying to rehabilitate his hip.
Well, the the woman just, you know, she couldn't take it.
You know, she just couldn't take the fact that, you know, her man went out and defended her country, her freedom, and, you know, she was just, you know, her, whatever her needs were, which is, you know, disguised as woman liberation, you know, whatever her needs were weren't being fulfilled, so she left the man.
She left the man, and what happened?
Well, he had to give 50% of everything he had to her.
He had to pay alimony.
He had a few children with her, so he's got to pay child support.
And she's the one that left him.
Now, this is what I'm talking about.
You know, look, I'm not saying that it's all women, all right, but it's the majority, in my view.
Men, at the same time, these men that go out and impregnate women and spread their seed out there and they're not being responsible.
I think they should be thrown in jail, and they are.
But females are not making a social landscape, and this is where it comes back to the feminist movement, in my view.
And this is my opinion.
The feminist movement has made the disguise of women liberation into making it okay in the woman's mind to, well, if something bothers you, you don't have to sacrifice.
You know, just because you're married, you don't have to sacrifice for your family.
It's all about you.
So you don't care.
You don't have to care about your kids.
You don't have to care about your man.
You just have to worry about yourself.
And if you're not happy, we'll get divorced.
If you're not happy, well, then become single.
And this is why we're seeing a prevalent of single-parent families.
The social ill has become the social norm.
And it's really sad.
And I just, I'm trying to do whatever I can, which is talk on BTR and, you know, a couple of blogs and that sort of thing to save the American family.
I'd like both of you to chime in.
I mean, am I a whack job like most of these Republicans?
You're totally correct on that.
I have three children.
I have a seven-year-old daughter, about to be seven.
I have a three-year-old son, about to be four, and I have a two-month-old daughter.
And when we were in the hospital having our daughter, we were the only couple there and have been the only couple there in the last 14 months that were actually married.
That mommy and daddy were actually married.
We had a bunch of people having babies in that same maternity ward, and nobody was married.
And I'm sitting there during the hospital that we were at, I had to make sure I filled out a card so I could get back into the maternity ward.
And they're like, and what, and, you know, how are you connected to the father?
Well, I'm the husband of the mother, and I am the father of the child.
And they were just amazed.
They were like, oh, wow, we haven't had anyone in the maternity ward in more than a year.
Oh, man.
And I felt so bad.
And, you know, I'm not a quiet-talking person.
If anybody has gone to my blog talk radio show, you're going to know I'm not somebody who's going to sit there and go, mmm, that might be interesting.
No, I'm the loud guy at Walmart.
Same here.
Like going, you know, if you don't get your kids straight here in the toy department, there's going to be a beatdown.
You beat your kid down, or I'm going to beat you down.
I started going off there at the nurse going, and you know, that is so sad, isn't it?
Isn't it terrible that not more men marry the women they're impregnating and creating life with?
And like, shh, don't say that.
He's in there visiting his baby's mama now.
And it is.
It's derogatory.
What part of the country you live in, Jimmy?
Well, I was born and raised in the South.
And when I say the South, I mean the dirty, poverty-stricken South, Arkansas.
1973 there.
You can say what you want to about it.
That's why I had to move.
I moved up here to the state of Washington.
Oh, you're talking about Northwest?
Yeah.
Okay.
I'm in the Northwest now, Pacific Northwest.
And it's a huge change.
You go from the p you go from a poverty state to the second highest cost of living state in the nation.
It is a big old deal.
And to be honest with you, are you in Seattle or around Seattle by any chance?
I am in the shadow of Seattle.
I'm about 120 miles out.
Yeah, because let me tell you, Seattle is probably one of the biggest epicenters of liberalism, and that's probably why you're seeing such a prevalence of single-parent families out there.
I mean, this is a liberal agenda.
And the liberal agenda is, well, you know what?
You don't need two parents.
I mean, and you're seeing it through the media.
You're seeing it through.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
They teach that.
They don't want you.
Actually, if you have a mom and daddy at the preschools at my three-year-old son, about four years old, at the end of this month, at the preschool he goes to, we are barred from saying mommy and daddy.
Wow.
Because 80% of the kids that go there have a single-parent home.
And it might upset people if my son mentions that he has a mommy and a daddy.
Wow, man.
That's terrible.
Isn't that terrible?
Well, this is the new America we're living in here, man.
And, you know, I know maybe you have a lot of disdain for the male.
And rightfully so, sir.
I mean, you know, I don't know your situation.
As a matter of fact, we don't really need to know.
This is just BTR, that sort of thing.
And I'm sure that the male was responsible for just kind of walking out.
And I'm sorry for that.
And as a matter of fact, males that do that should be, you know, they should be ashamed of themselves.
Well, see, we've lost that ability to teach our child, our children, honor.
At one time, there was something, there was a line you did not cross.
You just don't do that.
And we don't have that.
You just don't do that anymore.
Now, if you're 15 years old, you knock up a 14-year-old girl.
Well, you know what?
Don't worry about it.
I agree.
25 years old, and you knock up a 23-year-old woman.
It's the same thing.
Well, you ain't got to worry about that.
Pay for the abortion.
It's wrong.
I agree.
It is wrong.
I agree.
Do you want to chime in there, Dan?
Sure.
Yeah.
You know, I live in a very conservative part of the country.
And by your guys' standards, you may think I'm lucky.
But south central Pennsylvania, right smack dad, pretty much right in between Philadelphia, Baltimore, D.C. You know, I live in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania, Pennsylvania Dutch country.
And, you know, it's put it to you this way.
My father was told, you know, we actually moved here from South Jersey when I was still in high school.
Really?
And when we moved, you know, which was a completely different environment.
I could imagine.
Yeah.
It's one of the reasons we moved.
But my father was told that by some friends, neighbors of our new home back then, back there in the 80s, he was told by some neighbors that if he ever wanted to do anything in public life, he had better put an R next to his name.
And that's where I live now.
I mean, Lancaster County, the county is the state is Democratic because of the cities.
Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, Scranton, Wilkesburg.
Yeah, the big metropolises.
Right.
But, you know, Harrisburg and whatnot.
But, you know, out here in the country in the mountains and the valleys, it's conservative.
Absolutely.
One of the greatest politicians in modern times, Rick Santorum, came from Pennsylvania, which I think is a great American.
Yeah, Rick was a good guy.
I voted for him a few times.
And actually, he was not live too far away from us.
But I actually had a chance to meet him a couple of times.
He's a heck of a nice guy.
Absolutely.
He's a great American.
As a matter of fact, one of the last true conservatives to be, I mean, to be honest, the last really true conservatives to be in office, and he was unfortunately deceited by what I'm not, from what I'm, I mean, I believe it was a liberal, right?
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
It's a shame.
Strong Families and Values00:02:30
We won't even mention that one's name.
Yeah, I'm not going to, because I know he's a liberal.
But we got a liberal governor.
We got, you know, Fast Eddie Rendell.
And, you know, we have our nicknames for everybody.
But, you know, it's, you know, I'm listening to you guys talk, and, you know, I'm younger than y'all.
And it's, you know, I'm only 37.
But I grew up in Ozzie and Harrietland.
Okay.
My mother and father, they're still together.
You know, my dad worked in the shipyards when I was growing up, and then in the oil refineries.
And mom stayed home.
You know, mom was always home.
In fact, I could leave the house and come back for my running around, and mom would always be there cooking something or sewing something.
Wow, that's a great feeling.
Yeah, it was great.
I had a great childhood.
Even in the streets in South Jersey, actually I lived right across the river from Philadelphia.
But we had a great home.
And like I said, it was Ozzy and Harrietland.
And now, living in the community I live in now, which is a good one.
It's a nice little town in the county.
Even the public school system there, with all its flaws, is still better than most other places.
Wow.
You know, as far as their policies and whatnot.
And very family-oriented area.
So there are nooks and crannies of the country.
And I would hope I should, you know, I guess I'm an optimist when it comes to this, but I like to think that most of the country, as far as geographical area, maybe not population centers, but geographic regions, most of the country is like where I live.
Most people do believe in strong family and they have values and whatnot.
And it doesn't matter, you know, to me, you know, I don't think it matters between religion or race or anything.
Absolutely.
It's just like you said, Ghost, the media and then the policies coming out of that hole we call Washington, D.C. have you know, it's so corrupt that it gives it the appearance of, well, that's what's normal.
Well, that's not what's normal.
It's being socially engineered by not only the media, but government as well.
Universities Perpetuating Society00:03:33
You know, like I stated, and I've stated this many times since our tax season has just passed here.
You're going to have a lot of females out here that, you know, because females typically take the children, even in a divorce or custody battle.
I mean, a woman can literally, and I'm not saying this to be facetious or funny, but a woman can be a prostitute and still be able to win custody of children over a man because the court is so gender biased that they will say, well, she was just trying to feed her children.
So it's okay.
We're just going to go ahead and let her do that.
This is the kind of thing I'm talking about.
Yeah, there are definitely a lot of judges out there that need their heads screwed on straight.
I'll agree with you.
And the system gives them that long leash to make those decisions.
But like I said, I think we had this conversation once before where These people, these judges, they're a product, you know, of a lot of them, let's face it, are products of the 60s and the universities.
And that's where a lot of this filth is coming from.
And I work for a major Eastern university, and I see what's coming out of here.
I do know.
Like I said, my field is in medical research, thank God.
It's not in the liberal arts, but or the humanities, for God's sake.
But I see what this university pushes out, and it's trash.
It really is.
I mean, especially in the universities, because in the universities, they don't just hire professors year to year.
They get tenure.
I mean, at first, of course, if they're just getting in as an associate professor, of course, they'll be year to year, that sort of thing.
But once they pay their dues after a couple of years, these people get tenured, which means that they're guaranteed a contract for like, what is it, four or five years, something of that nature?
Yeah, well, yeah, well, it gets to the point where, you know, they're, you know, they can't get rid of these guys.
I mean, they can say the most outlandish things.
As a matter of fact, I went to University of Texas a long time ago.
I don't want to tell you when, but there's a University of Texas professor out here that's actually advocating eugenics, advocating the fact that the world, the earth, needs to be depopulated by, I think, was it, four billion people?
I mean, this is a biologist professor suggesting this.
Go ahead.
I'm sorry.
I didn't mean to interrupt you.
I don't know.
actually i was just laughing because uh you know i've heard about that you know um you know that you know there there's some there's some really crazy theories out there and And these universities give these guys a platform to shout their views on.
If most parents would actually look at what their kids are learning in school and learning in college, if they were that involved, in other words, if they would actually give a crap about what's being fed their kids, they'd be outraged.
They'd be outraged.
But they don't care.
No, they don't.
Defining What a Family Is00:07:11
And what's unfortunate is that we're perpetuating this society via the government, via the justice system.
We're just perpetuating that society.
And this goes back to what Jimmy was talking about about how he went into a maternity ward and was basically surprised at the fact that the nurses were trying to tell him to shush down because he was the only father in a mother and father family that was seeing a child in the maternity ward.
I mean, this just goes to show that why, well, first of all, you have to ask yourself, why is that happening?
Well, you look at the media, and you can blame all these other scholastic, or excuse me, these collateral, I should say, mediums that are influencing this.
But you also have to look at the fact that the government is embracing this.
I mean, we have a tax system right now.
All these women that are out here, and it's very prevalent, okay, women, I mean, they have a financial incentive to have as many children as possible and be single.
You know, the average single woman nowadays is going to get $15,000 to $2,000 a child this year in taxes.
And that's not including any subsidies or any type of government programs or government assistance that was given to them because of the fact they were single mothers.
Now, this is not perpetuating the family.
I mean, this is actually encouraging females to go out and be single parents, to go out and, you know, just go ahead and, you know, have six, seven, eight different children from six or eight, seven different partners, and they're going to get rewarded for it at the end of every year.
And I just don't understand why not more people are outraged about this.
And once again, I'm just going to finish this point.
The reason they're not outraged about it is because liberalism is taken forth as the root of our society.
I mean, just look at our, I don't mean to say our because I'm no longer a part of that social liberal Republican Party, but the Republican Party has embraced a candidate who does not give two rats' asses about the American family, who doesn't give a rat's ass about anything that's happening as far as the social ills becoming the social norms nowadays.
And you see, we're just going to continue to perpetuate this activity.
And look, what I've always said, if you decimate the American family, if you decimate the family in any society, well, then these people have nothing to live for.
They don't.
I mean, their will is gone.
I mean, what are they going to live for?
They're not going to live for anything.
I mean, the American family is the motivation, or I shouldn't say the American family.
I'm a patriot, obviously, but the family itself, the world family, anybody's family, no matter what part of the international community you're from, the family is the motivating force to continue on, to continue to fight, to continue to work, to continue to do whatever it takes.
And if you decimate the American family, well, you're going to have a lot of lost souls out here that could care less about their kids, that could care less about working, that want to embrace entitlement programs, that are more worried about self-centered ideas.
I mean, this is why we have such a sick society.
Go ahead.
The thing that nobody really wants to talk about, okay, and this is a hard pill for a lot of people to swallow because, well, you'll understand when I say it, but I think personally that what we see happening to families in general, not just here, but Europe decayed before our decay started.
Absolutely.
Other places besides us.
But we're following suit very quickly.
But when you say the family, the family stands on something.
The family had a beginning.
And who founded the family?
It was God.
God founded the family.
And when God's taken out of things, when God's taken out of the schools, when people turn their back on God, of course the family is going to crumble.
Of course it is.
Because you know what?
Then it becomes our own definition of what a family is.
Now, for some people, a family is two guys and a kid.
That's the definition of a family.
But that's not God's definition of a family.
So like I said, that's a hard pill for a lot of people to swallow, but that doesn't necessarily make it not true.
Absolutely.
I agree.
I mean, I completely wholeheartedly agree.
Jimmy, you want to chime in?
About two years ago, I was going to put my daughter before she was in first grade.
She was in kindergarten, and we had to put her into some daycare because I was working, and my wife was working, and we were paying about $1,500 for childcare.
And we discovered that, and everybody was telling us this, even the lady at the child care was saying, well, if your husband would leave you, payment for your child care would drop to $50 a month.
So if you could just convince him to leave you, you'll always pay just a bare percentage of this, $50 a month versus $1,500 a month.
And that was a terrible thing.
And everybody we talked to here said, well, just lie and say, you know, he left.
And I'm like, no, I never left you.
You're damn right on all of that.
And that's what I'm saying, that we have a system that's encouraging this.
It is.
It's a systematic.
It really is.
It's a systematic destruction of the American family.
And it's not just one area.
It's just all facets of society.
Media, government.
You know, the government was going to pay that $1,000, that $1,450, if I left my wife and she was willing to tell them I left my wife.
I left, or my husband left me.
The government was willing to pay $1,450 versus us paying $1,500 out of our pocket.
And it was a sad and terrible thing that I faced with.
Yes, I understand.
The government, the current government that we have, is really trying to roll the family out.
I encourage you, gentlemen, both of you, to really, I mean, you know, really check into this Constitution party because a long time ago, Joseph, I'm actually surprised at you, sir.
I'm surprised you hung in as long as you did.
Because this was a couple years ago, a couple years ago, that I was like, you know what?
I'm done.
I'm done.
Yeah, you told me about that, Dan.
Yeah, I'm finished.
These people, they left me.
I'm the same as I was 10 years ago.
Now, like I said, I'm only 37, and I don't really believe you actually fully grow a brain until you get into your 30s.
You know what?
Entitlement Generation Behaviors00:03:28
Unfortunately, I have to agree with that because I'd like to think that idealism comes from the youth, but most of it is disenchanted rhetoric.
But go ahead, I'm sorry.
Well, no, you know, you just don't know who you are.
You know what I mean?
That's what it is.
You have to figure out who you are.
But, you know, I had a jumpstart because my parents gave me a good grounding.
But, you know, the thing about it is, you know, this party, when you look into their platform, and by the way, this party's national headquarters is in Lancaster City, about probably 15 miles from where I live.
They're good people.
They talk about family.
They talk about these issues and what they see as the solutions or the way to correct things.
So it's not a church-based organization, but they do understand and they state that this country was founded on biblical principles, our Constitution, our Bill of Rights, the reason why things are as bad as they are is because we've gotten away from those things.
Absolutely, we've gone away from those things.
As a matter of fact, we're encouraging the social ills.
And every time I talk about it, I mean, it seems that no one wants to talk about it.
Everybody just wants to turn a blind eye to it.
Now, I finally analyzed this observation and suggested to myself, well, maybe it's because of this.
Maybe it's because most people are victims or no, I shouldn't say victims because I should just say they are participating in the activity that I'm denouncing.
For instance, I don't like the fact that people have five or six divorces, five or six different children from five or six different partners.
And it seems to me that the reason more people aren't talking about it is because they are, I guess, participating in what I'm speaking of as the social ills.
And it's really unfortunate.
And this is what I'm talking about.
The social ills have become the social norms.
And once that happens, when a man like me just tries to stick up for the American, I hate to keep saying the American family, but the family itself, world family.
I don't care if you're American or you're in Australia or if you're in Germany.
I mean, if you're, I mean, we need to put emphasis on the family.
Because once the family's gone, I'm telling you, people have nothing to live for, nothing to work for, nothing to care about.
And that's why we're having such a great entitlement generation in America because, you know, people are out here, like I've suggested previous, you know, four or five different children, four or five different fathers or different partners.
And this has created an entitlement generation.
And, I mean, if you don't have the will to work, you're not going to have the will to fight.
So that's why you're going to have this incremental communism, incremental socialism that's being pushed forth, not only by the left-wingers, but now, like I've seen here with John McCain's nomination with the right wing of the political American spectrum.
Conservatism and the Family00:14:46
You know, it's all-encompassing.
You know, we're talking about families and we're talking about divorces and we're talking about behaviors, you know, people's decision-making.
And, you know, but it goes beyond that, you know, because what we were talking about before, it goes beyond the family.
You know, it started there, but, you know, it has gone beyond that because, you know, look at the welfare state.
You know, well, you know, in my house, I was always told, you know, you work so that you can eat.
Absolutely.
You know, and it goes to other things as well.
You know, it's very broad-based, but it all comes back really to one thing.
Principles that were once adhered to that are no longer adhered to based on Judeo-Christian ethics and good old-fashioned American values.
And like you said, the media and the government, there are certain folks in the government, they've turned their back toward it.
Absolutely, they've turned their back to it.
And by the way, everybody who's listening in, I really appreciate it.
This is an impromptu show here.
I mean, I was inspired by the last evening's show that we had, and Dan from Guerrilla News was there.
I mean, it was pretty, I mean, weird, a mess, but fun at the same time.
I'd like for all you to chime in.
I mean, we're just talking about different issues.
It's a free format show.
I encourage all of you listening, give us a call.
There's a bunch of open lines, 646-652-4869.
And Jimmy, I know you've been kind of quiet.
Do you want to chime in on what we're talking about here?
Oh, my time runs late, my friend, but I'm going to tell you right now, Ghost, I am really, really impressed with what you're doing.
I did not know what conservative and liberal was, but right now I can tell you, I truly believe that my family values are right there with the conservatives.
So you won one over.
Well, I appreciate that, sir.
And let me tell you, I don't believe the Republicans that are out here nowadays.
I was a conservative Republican.
As a matter of fact, the name of this show was called True Conservative Republican Radio.
But with this new Republican Party that has nominated a social liberal like John McCain who could care less about the American family, you know, who could c who wants to put more regulation on our lives, which is against the Republican principles, by the way, I have denounced the Republican Party.
I mean, the Republican Party, the root of it used to be social conservatism, which was perpetuating family ideals, you know, perpetuating a conservative lifestyle.
At this point now, I don't know what the Republicans are about, but they're on the same lines as the people on the left.
And it really makes me sick to my stomach.
And I mean, I'm a lifelong Republican.
I voted for Reagan twice.
I voted for Nixon.
I mean, look, I don't even want to get into how old I am, but I'm just saying, I mean, I've been – You said Nixon.
You said Nixon.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
And I voted for a long time here.
And it's just a shame to see.
It's a shame to see the Republican Party turn into a social liberal apparatus just like the left-wing Democrats that are out here.
It's really sad.
And, you know, the Democrats, what are they for?
They're for more government.
They're for more regulation.
They're for more taxes being rendered from not only the businessman, but from the average everyday working man.
Paycheck.
And that's not what I'm for.
I'm for freedom.
You know, I mean, I want freedom and that sort of thing.
But at the same time, we have a society where, like I've stated previously, the social ills are becoming the social norms.
No one's talking about it.
You know, I'm the only person talking about this issue on blog talk radio.
Everybody chastised me for it.
I mean, as a matter of fact, I've got Republicans talking down at me for it because, I mean, I'm trying to save the American family here.
And it seems to me that everybody thinks I'm some sort of a bad guy or something.
And I don't understand why that is.
I mean, I don't understand why saving the American family is so bad.
As a matter of fact, I had a couple of people last evening suggest that I'm some sort of a fascist because I want to save the American family.
I'd like to, for you to for you two to chime in on that.
I mean, am I a fascist?
Because I want to save not only just the American family, but the world family.
Because it's not just an American problem.
I mean, as a matter of fact, like I've stated previous shows before, if you look at Australia, Australia, 75% divorce rate.
If you look at Germany, 70% divorce rate.
These are westernized countries.
If you look at America, 50% divorce rate.
We're still at a coin flip.
And I think the only reason that we're still at a coin flip is because the conservative movement is still around.
Once that's decimated, I don't know what's in store for America.
And I'd like your two opinion.
Anybody else that wants to chime in their opinion?
646-652-4869.
Go ahead, Jimmy, and then go ahead, Dan.
This is Jimmy.
I got to get on out of here, man.
My time is done, but I want to thank you very much for having me on Ghost.
You have got some really spot-on observations into politics and into the American family.
And I'm going to support wherever you're going to go, man.
I appreciate it.
And you know what?
Come back and see us.
I usually am broadcasting every Friday, Saturday, and Sunday.
That's my main broadcast, 9 p.m. Central Time.
But I like to throw impromptu shows in between because this is just a fun forum.
The Internet's a great forum to spread ideas, to have conversations, to provide discourse.
And that's why I'm up on here.
That it is, sir.
That it is.
Good night, sir.
Thank you for having me on.
Thank you very much, Jimmy.
All right, Diane.
Well, I'll I'll speak to what you what you just said.
Yeah, go ahead, Dan.
Yeah, I think that, you know, like I stated before, you know, you know, conservatism, you know, Jim Jimmy and I were were chatting in the room there, and he had an honest question.
At first I thought he was pulling my leg, but he had an honest question.
He goes, what's a conservative?
What does it mean?
And, you know, and I said, well, you know, it's conservatism is, you know, i is a is a set of principles that, you know, guide how, you know, a certain segment of the population, conservatives, you know, think and feel about different social and political issues.
You know, that's a pretty broad definition of it, but, you know, without getting into details, I mean, that's basically what it is.
And liberalism, you know, could have the same definition.
But, you know, conservatism, as far as being the savior, that, you know, that conservative values and principles come from someplace.
You know, I mean, they don't stand on their own.
Okay.
You know, they have a beginning.
And like I said, you know, that beginning comes from the church and belief in God and those things.
And when that's taken out, you kind of have a hollow version of what conservatism used to mean.
Now, there are very, what we would consider, you know, very conservative guys out there whose personal lives are just a mess.
You know, divorce, gambling.
Absolutely.
This, that, and the other thing.
Conservatism isn't necessarily going to save the family, okay?
But the roots of conservatism will.
And that's what we've got to get back to.
And that's what I'm talking about.
Absolutely.
And I agree with that.
So are you suggesting that we need to put more emphasis on churches and that sort of thing?
Well, you know what?
Like I said, this is a hard pill for a lot of people to swallow because, you know what?
Everybody likes to think what they want to think.
Everybody likes to do what they want to do.
But we have gotten away.
The Judeo-Christian principles.
There was a time, and you can remember this more than I, there was a time when if something racy happened on television, it was because of the slightest little thing that we wouldn't even bat an eye at to today.
Sure.
And then it was censored.
Now, look how far we've come.
Absolutely.
I mean, and not only that, I remember a time when it was shunned.
I mean, you were outcasted if you had a child out of wedlock.
I mean, you had females.
And look, it looks bad in retrospect when females that had children out of wedlock would have to pretend that that was their little brother or something of that nature.
But at the same time, I mean, it kept society in check, so to speak.
And I don't mean to say that as any type of an authoritarian moniker or anything of that nature.
I'm just saying that.
You know what?
You always catch someone like you that mentions that it's going to always catch flack.
You know why?
Because people, we live in such a humanist society.
Like I said, everybody's turned their back on God.
Everybody's turned their back on faith.
And even if they do have faith, a vast majority of these churches are based on basically do what feels good.
They don't necessarily believe in black and white, what's in the book.
Absolutely.
They're teaching around the truth.
And the thing about it is this, you know, you're going to say these things and you're going to always catch flack for it.
But you know what I always think about?
When someone gives me flack for saying something about, well, you know, there should not be single-parent families, or it's a shame when I see babies being born out of wedlock.
Well, and they say, well, you know what, you're a dinosaur.
I hear that on a consistent basis.
Then what I say to them is this.
Okay, well, ideally, what would be best?
And then of course the answer is a mommy, a daddy, and the baby.
Okay, that's ideally what's best.
Sure.
So why not shoot for the ideals?
Why do we have to succumb to the crap?
Why do we as a society say, you know what?
We're going to push for the best.
Well, it's because you have a system.
And this is liberalism, once again.
Liberalism, I like to call it social and political romance because it sounds good on paper.
Oh, yeah, you know, everybody's going to be helped.
Everybody, you know, it's freedom.
You know, they try to disguise it under freedom.
But I mean, with all due respect to folks that think they're really free, I mean, they're really not free.
I mean, they're actually subjugating themselves by their own social ills.
I mean, you look at all the I hate to keep saying females because then that makes me and that just puts resonance in all the feminists that are out here saying that I'm some sort of a sexist misogynist pig or something.
But females do end up with the children, okay?
And I don't know about the rest of the country, although I've looked at the statistics.
I mean, there's a lot of single-parent families out here with multiple children.
And in Texas, I don't know if it's an epidemic or what, but you have a lot of people out here having at least, at the very minimum, three children before the age of 25.
And I'm talking about females.
Three children before the age of 25, and they're single.
And what's unfortunate about this is that there's just no way to stop this at this point because liberalism has disguised liberation, freedom under this moniker.
It's okay to go ahead and have, you know, three, four, or five kids because it's your freedom to do so.
And look, I'm all about freedom, okay?
I really am.
But what they're doing indirectly, and what these liberals don't understand is that by having these children, they're making themselves more conducive to entitlement programs.
And what do entitlement programs do?
Well, those are programs given by the government.
And if you're given things by the government, you're going to be oppressed by that government.
You're going to be in control by that government.
If government's going to give you subsidies and entitlement programs and tax cuts, I mean, the whole subsidized housing, the whole shebang.
Well, you have no rights anymore because the government's giving you everything.
And this is my point.
And this goes back to what the Republican Party used to be about, is about less government.
And you see, this is where we had a debate last night about what government's role is as far as saving the American family.
I mean, hell, if they're going to embrace the dissolution of the American family, I think that the American people and conservatives need to stand up and say, hey, you need to embrace the American family.
And that's my view.
And look, you know, supposed conservatives and supposed Republicans can sit here and criticize me and call me some sort of a liberal because I want the government to do something about it.
But the government is already spending our tax dollars on single-parent families that are going to get not only tax breaks and tax money this tax season, $1,500 to $2,000 a kid, but they get subsidies for free housing, for welfare, for everything you can think of.
And it's really disgusting.
You know, it's funny.
The Useless Republican Party00:15:36
A lot of the people on here that, you know, that I'll use your words, use, you know, the go-by-the-conservative moniker.
You know, they, you know, they're clinging on to the Republican Party.
You know, they're trying to hang on.
But what a lot of people don't understand is that party's useless.
It really is.
Its only use, it really, is the preservation of power.
Absolutely.
But who is in power?
Okay?
And that's what you've got to really ask yourself.
So, you know what?
It's a sinking ship.
It doesn't represent us anymore.
If you're really a conservative, it really doesn't represent you anymore.
Jump ship and go someplace that is conservative.
Let me tell you something about these Constitution Party people.
These conservatives that are hanging on to the Republican Party, if they don't know, if they haven't read this platform from CP, they don't know what a conservative is.
I can't wait until you read it and I talk to you again.
I'm definitely going to read it right after this show here.
But I'm telling you, if you're hanging on to this party, if you're hoping to change it and turn it around, let me tell you for two things.
They ain't going to happen.
And the second thing is, best thing to do is let it go, let it die, and start again.
Start again with a new party.
It will be strong and be the way you want it to be.
And that's what I've been advocating: we need a conservative party or something that is like a conservative party.
But, you know, that remains to be seen.
We got another caller here from the 514 area code.
Hold on a second.
You're not on the air yet.
Hello, 514.
You're on the air now.
Hi, it's Steve calling from Canada.
How are you today?
How are you?
Is it Steve Holton?
It sure is.
How are you doing?
Not too bad, thanks.
I hope it's not too late to sort of bounce a question off you guys.
Unfortunately, I got disconnected for a little while.
It took me a while.
Oh, go right ahead.
I'm just curious.
I myself am actually a conservative.
I know that's hard to believe coming from Canada.
I understand.
Conservatives are pretty soft.
I actually met a couple of conservatives from Canada, but go ahead.
They're pretty soft.
But I'm looking at McCain, and I can understand why people look at him and say he's not really conservative or he's not respecting the core Republican values.
But I still can't help wonder, is he still not a better choice compared to, God forbid, Hillary?
Even Obama is a nice guy, but I just don't think that having him sort of in the U.S. Let me just say this real quick.
Yeah, sure.
Steve, I understand where you're coming from, and that's where a lot of Republicans in this country are right now.
It's the lesser of two evils or lesser of three evils.
But you know what?
There comes a time, and Ghost is one of them.
I did it about two years ago because I was fed up with the Bush administration myself not representing me, not doing what I sent him to Washington to do.
But you know what?
There comes a time where enough's enough.
Like I said before, just a little bit ago, the only use this party has is for people who call themselves conservatives to have something to cling on to, which is power.
But who's in power?
It really does matter.
It really does matter what these guys do.
Absolutely.
And enough's enough.
Okay, so McCain gets in.
Well, then you have four or eight years of moderate, moderate to leftist center policies.
And it's not good enough.
I'm saying no.
Enough's enough.
And you know what?
If Hillary gets in, you know what?
So be it.
So be it.
Because you know what?
To me, what difference does it make if I go down the road and I get there, if I'm going 20 miles down the road, Hillary's going to get me there faster to my destruction?
McCain's been taking down a little bit slower, but I'm still going to the same place.
So if we dismantle the system, start afresh with new ideas, actually which are old, and start again, then we can start seeing real change, real change.
These people, they call themselves agents of change.
They're not agents of change.
Because we've been going down this road for a long time for 30, 40 years.
I can agree with you in principle.
And in fact, we saw this same kind of revolution happen in Canada briefly, where our Conservative Party here was basically becoming a centrist party.
And there was a grassroots movement with a new type of party called the Reform Party that was created.
Now, since then, it's been refolded back into a new Conservative Party.
But in Canada, we can do that because we're a multi-party system.
Do you ever really see the U.S. breaking away from the Republicans versus the Democrats?
Whether it's an Independence, whether it's an Independent Party, whether it's a true new Conservative Party, do you really think your system will ever allow for that?
No, and you know what?
That's what I've commented on, is that we're never going to see that.
And the only reason it has been a two-party system.
For the longest time, this country has always been based on two parties.
But parties have died.
Parties have gone away.
The Republican Party was brand new.
Lincoln was the first Republican president.
So that may seem like a long time ago.
And in our young history, it is.
But it can happen.
But I liken it to everybody's complaining about baseball down here right now and the drugs and all that stuff.
But you know what?
If people stop buying tickets, guess what?
They might change the policies.
They might see baseball cleaned up.
Exactly.
We're going to keep buying those tickets.
This is something different.
This affects our lives every day.
This isn't entertainment we're talking about.
This is our lives.
And enough people like me and Ghost, and there's a lot of people actually out there that are disaffected and sick and tired of it.
If we can get to more and more people, and it may take a while, but in the end, it might be worth it.
Do you think guys like Lou Dobbs are, maybe not necessarily his flavor of conservatism, but still guys like him that are seen as very public leaders are actually going to be successful in starting whether it's an independent movement or some sort of third-party movement, a conservative type movement?
Do you think they're really going to be successful?
Is the time right?
Are enough people fed up that it's really going to happen?
I think it is, especially in this day and age when you have a liberal route taking effect, not only well, it's already taken it's been in effect in the left, but it's taken root on the right.
And I remember a day when conservative principles were the root foundation of the Republican Party.
They're no longer it's no longer the root, obviously.
I mean, you had the Republican Party purposely shut out true conservatives, Fred Thompson, Duncan Hunter.
These were true conservative Republicans.
They shut them out from mainstream media press.
They shut them out from any type of real campaign gaining or any of that nature, like trying to gain pretty good campaign contributions.
Excuse me.
You're seeing this right before our eyes, and yet they'll allow a man like John McCain.
Remember, this guy was down in the dumps, remember, about two months ago?
Remember, he was finished?
And to me, I think that the party manipulated this man into being the frontrunner once again.
I mean, after Florida, I mean, that was it.
Well, maybe, could I submit to you the idea that McCain might still be the right choice, if nothing else, then just to show the hardcore conservatives that we need a change.
And in 2012, this sort of third-party movement might take a serious foothold because the true conservatives are going to, if you'll pardon me for saying so, get pissed off and say, this is it.
We really need to do something.
And there will be a serious movement towards independence or third-party choice once they see what having a liberal Republican will be like.
Because if we go down the other path where you're saying, yeah, we're already going down there, we might as well put in a dedicated liberal and we'll just hit the wall faster.
The problem with that is that they're expecting liberal results from a Democratic leader.
If we put in a liberal Republican and we see those kind of results, maybe that will finally motivate the masses to do the right thing and actually create a true conservative party.
You know what, Steve?
In 1992, we got Bill Clinton.
And two years after that, we got the contract with America.
Okay?
Now, nothing turns conservatives and real conservatives on like a Clinton.
Okay?
Yeah, I see what you mean.
What you're doing is you're masking the problem.
Sometimes, you know what?
If you've got a lame horse, you've got to put it down.
You've got to put it down.
Hold on just one second.
We have another caller here from the 516 area code.
You're on the air.
How you doing, guys?
It's the Ozone.
Hey, how you doing, Ozone?
Hey, Ozone.
How are you guys?
Just having a decent conversation.
Yeah.
Yeah, I'm listening.
I'm one of the guys, as you know, that says that you have to vote.
I know, you know, me and you, we disagree on the McCain issue, but go ahead and chime in, Ozo.
Yeah, well, I've been reading a little bit about McCain, trying to figure out what he's about.
And he, you know, we have to vote for him over a Democrat.
You know, I'm worried, you know, you might think that if you vote for, if you don't vote and the Democrat wins, that we might start to go down.
But, you know, these Democrats, they live in their own little matrix.
Reality doesn't matter.
It's all spin.
So, you know, they can keep ruining things and keep going and black out the media, do fairness doctrine, take more control over the schools.
You know, teachers today, I've talked to many that they're scared to say they're Republicans when they talk on the air.
They don't want to, they're very scared that someone's going to hear that they're Republican.
You know, they can start taking control over things.
And I'm leading up on McCain.
And which principles, I'm not sure which issues exactly.
I know amnesty, but which issues is he not really the conservative?
Where do you have the problem with him specifically?
Well, I'll answer that.
I mean, first of all, just look at all the legislation that has his name on it.
I mean, the name next to his name is typically the most liberal person on the other side of the aisle.
And if you read the legislation, I mean, especially McCain Feingold.
I mean, McCain Feingold is one of the most unconstitutional bills that's ever been put forth in Congress and in the Senate.
I mean, it has financially retarded the Republican Party.
And on the contrary, it's excluded all the conservatives.
I mean, I don't know if you remember Tom DeLay.
Tom DeLay was going to be prosecuted for something under McCain Feingold.
And once he renounced his seat, I mean, I don't know if you noticed that the charges were dropped.
I mean, this has been an orchestration by this man right here, John McCain, to basically make the Republican Party turn into the liberal Republican Party.
And let me tell you, I like Tom DeLay.
I mean, I'm from Texas, okay?
This was a hero of mine out here.
This man was a conservative, not a Republican, a conservative.
He always referred to his constituency as the conservative movement.
And that's what he stood for.
He stood for conservative principles.
On the contrary, he's still doing it.
I heard him recently interviewed at CPAC.
I mean, the man still is staunchly for conservative principles, and he does not want to vote for McCain because he knows, and any true conservative knows, that this man wants more regulation.
He wants to take guns away from us.
He could care less about the American family.
He wants to give amnesty to 20 million illegal immigrants that are devaluing the cost of American labor.
You know, he wants to, I mean, I could just go on and on about this man.
I mean, he tried to regulate boxing.
I mean, this guy's a senator.
You know, we have problems here in America.
And what did he focus on for about, you know, was it five, six months?
Boxing.
Well, Tom DeLay says not to vote.
Is that what he's saying?
He's not saying that just yet, but he's not saying that.
He's not saying anything because he's not going to sit here.
I mean, me, I'm not a political figure.
I could care less.
I'm going to tell people not to vote because, look, if the conservative principles aren't going to be put forth on the table, I'd vote for McCain if you would have went to that CPAC conference and said, look, I understand this, and I'm willing to compromise with you for this.
But he didn't say that.
He just said, hey, look, we have problems, but we're just going to have to deal with it.
That's basically what he said.
But didn't McCain imply that he would do that?
Forgive me.
All I've got to work on is the little soundbites I see on CNN, admittedly.
Communist News Network.
Go ahead.
But even that aside, I mean, maybe I'm misremembering, but I could have sworn I saw McCain actually say that, look, you know, I've done things that you don't all agree with.
And, you know, I need your input.
I need your help to point me in the direction that's right.
You know what?
There's only so much, Steve.
I don't mean to disrespect you in any way, but there's just only so much you can take.
There's only so much you can buy.
Now, you know what?
He understands.
I don't know if you guys knew this or not, okay?
But on Super Tuesday, there was about 8 million more Democrat voters than Republican voters in the primaries.
Where were those 8 million Republicans?
They were disaffected sitting at home going, you know what?
All these guys stink.
They all stink.
Absolutely.
And you know what?
So guess what?
You give him a choice, and I know I was saying you don't agree with this, but you know what?
I'd rather be fighting for a cause than be a disappointed Republican for the next 8, 10, 20 years.
But you know what?
There is choices out there.
There are choices out there.
You just got to spread the root.
The word.
It's grassroots.
Absolutely.
Spread the word.
Fundamental Change in the Party00:14:29
We saw that in Canada with our own Conservative Party versus the Reform.
I mean, that's how we got rid of our centrist conservatives, and the party was entirely disbanded.
Unfortunately, it was sort of recreated, and it's starting to move back to the center again.
But that's nature Canadian politics.
But you're right, it can happen.
And I just would be interested in seeing how that's going to evolve in the American system.
Because I think you're right.
I think there has to be a big fundamental conservative movement.
Once again, forgive me speaking as an outsider here, but you're political.
No, no, you're more than welcome here.
You're our family neighbor to the North.
Absolutely.
And I wanted to hear Ozone's rebut to everything we've said.
Go ahead, Ozone.
Well, you know, there's so many different things.
One thing that, you know, I have a brother that he is not into politics, but he sees the news and he hates Bush, and he thinks Republicans are evil, and he thinks we should have universal health care, but he doesn't follow anything.
But he said, and he hates Republicans, and he said, you know what, based on the choices we have now, I'm going to vote for McCain because he's the best choice, you know, and he's more of a moderate, and he's not considered like a right-wing.
And he said, maybe, what if it's true that the only candidate that now in the atmosphere we have now with 8 million more Democrats voting than Republicans, what if right now this atmosphere is one where there's no chance where a Republican will win unless it's someone that can be considered by Americans not the right-wing Republican that they've been brainwashed to hate.
I think you'd hit the nail on the head of that.
I think there is no chance a Republican can win this time with this candidate.
Absolutely not.
And, you know, maybe if Hillary Rotten wins the election or wins the nomination, excuse me, maybe McCain has a shot.
But if Obama wins this nomination, I don't think McCain has a chance, to be honest with you.
I mean, Obama, and I hate to say this because I think he's a Marxist closet Marxist, but I think, to be honest with you, I mean, he has said less to be partisan than Hillary Clinton.
I mean, he's actually made comments that Republicans are the party of ideals for the past 15 to 20 years.
I mean, you know, to be completely honest, I mean, this man seems more bipartisan than Hillary.
So I think that by this man winning the nomination, he'll win the election, hands down.
I do want to argue with you.
You said if Hillary wins, no, it's when Hillary is appointed.
I mean, look at the number of people.
Yeah, well, yeah, I had a bunch of super delegates.
And you know what?
And if Obama wins the popular vote and the super delegates still put in Hillary Rotten, I think that the Democrats will stay home just as much as the conservatives.
That's going to be interesting to see where that goes because the party is looking at it and they can see that Hillary is going to lose to McCain, but Obama can defeat the motivation because he is more bipartisan even though McCain's trying to claim, hey, I'm bipartisan.
Look at the bills I've passed.
I mean, to be honest with you, he went against every Republican initiative out there.
He was against the Bush tax cuts.
I mean, I don't want to go through.
I'm sure everybody has heard what this man has done.
I mean, just look at the bills with his name on it.
I mean, here you have a man that is blatantly just bowing down to liberalism.
Okay?
And you have Obama, who really doesn't really have a record for bowing down to anybody.
You know, he's sided with the Democrats on certain issues, but at the same time, he's acknowledged that Republicans were the party of ideas.
And I just think that if McCain was ending up head-to-head with Obama, I think McCain doesn't have a shot.
Well, let me put it this way.
Would Obama be a bad choice?
I mean, once again, sort of the lesser of the three evils.
Yes, he's not.
Well, I wouldn't vote for him.
He's going to give illegals complete open borders and driver's licenses for illegals and all that.
So is McCain narrows on.
Well, McCain is not exactly.
I think what he wants to do is he wants to do the right thing with those that are here.
But I hear him say over and over again that he wants to make sure that we're going to be.
Secure the borders.
That's what he keeps saying.
I'm going to secure the borders as soon as I'm elected.
Well, that's great.
You're going to secure the borders.
But are you going to secure the borders and then just give amnesty to the 20, 20-something million that are in here illegally that are devaluing the cost of labor?
I mean, it's bad enough that we don't produce anything anymore.
And the jobs we do have out here are being undersold by illegals.
I can't argue with you with the amnesty.
I'm against it, too, but I don't think it's going to be as bad as with Obama or Hillary.
Who knows?
See, that's the whole problem, though, is we're tired of not as bad as.
We're sick of not as bad as.
We're not going to put up with not as bad as anymore.
We're done with it.
Okay?
There's got to be a fundamental change in this party where, guess what?
It's gone.
Absolutely.
It's not a party anymore.
It's been on for about 30 years.
What's that?
It's going to be gone for a very long time if you decide that it's gone.
You start afresh.
If enough rats jump the ship, you know what?
You start anew.
You start over again.
And now there's two big obstacles to that, and that's special interests, which is really one of the whole big problems of soul mess anyway.
And then also the media.
The media is a humongous problem.
That's a big obstacle.
Have you seen the garbage out here?
I mean, first of all, if you're on MSNBC or the Communist News Network, I mean, it's basically Barack Hussein Obama hour every hour on every time you switch to it.
And then, you know, Fox News, you know, which supposedly used to be the Republican channel, are now embracing social liberals.
I mean, you know, they gave Duncan Hunter and Fred Thompson no FaceTime.
They gave no stories to these individuals.
They gave no insights on who they were, what they were about, nothing.
But they gave a big, you know, to-do about Giuliani.
They gave a big to-do about McCain and big to-do about Mike Huckabee.
And Mike Huckabee, in my view, is a tool being utilized by the social liberals in the Republican Party.
Why do you think he's not dropping out at this point?
I mean, mathematically, he has no chance, and yet he's not going to drop out, he says, until the convention.
Why is that?
It's very simple, because he wants to basically get the base that's disenchanted with McCain.
He wants to get them around him, even though he's a religious zealot.
He wants to supposedly round up the conservative base and hand it to McCain in exchange for a vice presidency or a cabinet seat.
Well, he's a Southern Baptist, and if you know anything about them, they're not that conservative.
Even their churches aren't that conservative.
So that's no big surprise to me.
But anyway.
I think that if we lose, and if we let Hillary or Obama win, and you know, you know what?
If Hillary Obama wins, it's going to suck.
But it ain't the end of the world, and it ain't the end of the country.
Four years, eight years from now, you get another choice, you get another stab at it.
We went through eight years of Bill Clinton.
We thought, what could be worse?
You know what?
And that eight years was terrible.
It was terrible.
It was terrible.
But you know what?
Here we are.
We are.
Bush raised social spending by 25% over Clinton.
He was going to sign the amnesty bill that the Democratic Congress didn't send.
No, well, the only reason that he was going to sign the amnesty bill, he initiated a guest workers program that will send them back after they're fulfilled their labor responsibilities.
But everybody rejected that.
Everybody rejected the fact that, look, okay, we'll let them work here.
Just come in.
You'll work.
And once, you know, you're either fired or laid off from your job, that's it.
See ya.
He said that he was going to sign the McCain-Kennedy bill that he was going to sign.
And also, he also passed the prescription drug plan.
But what I think is, look, the thing is that everyone already is looking to the government to pay for college, to pay for health care, and Medicare and welfare, and those things are growing.
And under the Democrats, it's going to grow even more.
And then the next election cycle, they're going to have another 10 million people who are going to have to vote for them because they don't want these programs cut.
Any conservatives saying we're going to cut, cut, cut, forget about it because they're going to have another 10 million guaranteed voters.
They have those same voters right now.
They're going to have more.
They're going to have even more than that.
And it's going to be completely impossible.
And then even when we try to take away these programs, there's going to be a lot of damage done from all of them.
Don't you see that that's kind of exactly the entire point, though, Ozone?
It's not about those 10 what we should be concerned about with those 10 million people you're talking about is fundamentally changing the way they think.
This party does not inspire.
It does not inspire.
It does not teach.
It doesn't do anything for conservative values.
It does nothing.
Nothing.
It's useless.
It's a useless vehicle for power, period.
Period.
Now, what we have to do is win hearts and minds.
We have to fundamentally change the way people think.
And you're not going to ever do that with this party.
Never.
Never.
Not voting and letting a Democrat win.
I don't know how that's helping.
No one's going to notice that you didn't vote.
They're going to do a wonderful story about it.
Well, you know, Ozone, as far as I'm concerned, I don't want to participate in the embracing of social liberalism.
I mean, it used to be the root of the social conservatism used to be the root of the Republican Party.
Now social conservatism has been put in the back burner, and they could care less that the American family has been decimated.
They could care less about any of the social ills that are becoming the social norms.
Nobody's acknowledging any of these problems.
All they care about, as far as McCain is concerned, he thinks that he can say he's a maverick when it comes to the international relations of his policy.
And he thinks by saying pro-life that that makes him a conservative.
You take away those two issues, this man is a liberal and a half.
You take away those two issues.
This man is a liberal piece of trash.
And I refuse to sit here and give my vote.
I have been a lifelong Republican.
I refuse to give my vote to a piece of trash who's just going to submit to liberalism.
There's just no way in hell I'm going to do it.
And let me tell you something.
I don't care what.
Either way, it's a crap sandwich.
Either way, I'm going to eat, I hate to say this word, but shit.
I'm going to eat shit.
It's like that for a lot of voters.
We're only one in 300 million.
And there's only one, two, three candidates.
Always, there's millions of people that this is not their perfect guy.
It always happens.
I feel like it's a...
Don't you see that?
It's not about not being perfect.
There's nobody perfect.
What it is, is they've given me some money that I can't vote for.
I can't.
I'm not going to go against my principles and vote for this guy.
Wait, let me ask you a question.
If right now they were running Hitler and McCain, can you vote them?
Oh, come on.
You know what?
No, Ozone.
Come on, man.
You've got to be.
Kenny, get your feet back on the ground and we can talk.
She had McCain.
I mean.
You know, don't give me questions like that that I can't answer because, you know.
No, but Ozone, I mean, come on, that's a horrible comparison.
How far are you willing to risk not voting for?
I mean, you know, how far are you willing to risk not voting for?
I'm saying, if you're not, if no candidate is good, you've taken it.
Your problem is you're clinging on to this party.
And nobody out there, for some reason, people can't see that we don't have to use this party as our vehicle.
We don't.
It's not set in stone.
It's not set in stone.
No, it's not set in stone.
It was no Republican.
There's something else.
It's not tough times before.
Go ahead, Ozone.
Our country's gone through tough times in the past, and we're going to go through tough times in the future.
You know what?
We've gone through civil strife before as well.
If Hillary or look, we have a choice.
We have a choice.
This is our right, something we have to make a choice.
Even if there's no Republican candidate, if my choice is between Hillary and Obama, I'm going to learn about every one of them.
And then I'm going to vote.
I'm going to use my right to vote to try to push the person who will be better for the country because this is our country.
And we've got to make sure we can put the best possible guy from the ones we have, which is struggle from left to right in the country.
They're pushing left, and they're pushing hard, much harder than us, and we have to push right.
And sometimes we're losing.
We're all moving left.
We still have to keep pushing right.
We can't say, oh, let's teach our people.
You asked me a question, a pretty outlandish question.
I'm going to ask you something that's a lot more realistic.
How long are you willing to vote Republican and go left?
Voting Like a Socialist00:13:55
How long until you are the Democrats?
How long are you willing to do that?
I'm going to vote for the most right candidate every time.
Then you are going to wind up on the left side of the room, my friend.
And how does not voting?
How does not voting, how is not voting going to change that?
It's not going to change.
It's not going to change either way, Ozone.
I'm choosing a candidate, and I'm going, if I have to write him in, I will.
Absolutely.
I'm voting for a guy from a party that hardly anybody's heard of, but they're out there and they're growing.
And I'm choosing to be part of a movement, a grassroots movement for conservatism.
So, you know what?
I'm not bowing out.
I'm just choosing to vote by my principles.
Clinton.
That's how we got Clinton for eight years.
Clinton got less than 50% of the vote every time he won.
He never got more than 50% of the vote.
You never answered my question, by the way.
How long are you willing to vote moderate until you wind up as a leftist?
You're going to be voting for Hillary Clinton in 20 years from now.
I'm telling you.
Well, if I'm going to have a choice to be able to choose which one I can have, even if I have – 20 years from now, the Republicans standing up there wanting you to vote for him is going to be saying exactly what Hillary Clinton is saying today.
Guarantee it.
Look at the last 20 years.
Okay?
Absolutely.
How long are you willing to do that?
How long are you willing to do that until you are voting like a socialist?
No, I'm going to.
I'm not going to vote like a socialist.
I'm going to vote for the most right candidate every election that they have.
And if I have a choice to make who's going to get the job, I'm going to vote for the most right person.
How long are you not going to vote for?
Okay, well, let me ask you this then.
Let's talk about these questions like you asked me.
If you had to choose between Stalin and Karl Marx, who would you vote for?
I would have to make a choice, and I'd have to, if one of them is going to be in power.
Stalin moves a little bit more to the right than Karl Marx.
You would vote for Stalin.
I'm going to vote for one of them.
If I think one is worse than the other, I'll vote for the other one.
And you know what?
You're the problem.
You are the problem.
You and Republicans like you that have been putting these moderate, lukewarm conservatives out of office.
You are the problem, not me, my friend.
Who'd you vote for in the last election?
I voted for George W. Bush.
Oh, prescription drug plan, amnesty, and all the liberal things.
Two years ago, two years ago, I changed my party affiliation to independent.
I am no longer a Republican.
Okay, well.
I have jumped that party two years ago.
And same here.
I mean, just hell, just about a couple of weeks ago.
Don't tell me I'm not putting my money where my mouth is.
I do not have an R next to my name, and I will never vote for that party as long as they keep throwing up these wishy-washy douchebags.
You got paid for being a Republican?
What's that?
You got paid for being a Republican?
What's that talking about?
What are you talking about?
Because you're putting your money where your mouth is.
I was just wondering if you got paid for being a Republican.
No, that's just a figure of speech, my friend.
Well, yeah, it's just a figure of speech, Ozone.
And, you know, Ozone, you know, I mean, you really talk great conservative rhetoric.
I mean, you know, to be honest, that's why I go and listen to your show.
I just don't understand.
You know, I mean, are you going to just go against principle just because I just don't understand, Ozone.
I don't go against principle, but when I have a choice between A and B, and that's the only choice I have, I have to make the best choice I can.
Doesn't mean I change my principles.
It doesn't mean I agree with everything or anything.
I don't agree with – I voted for Bush, but he's doing things I don't agree with all the time sometimes.
So, you know, you can't vote for a candidate that's going to do something that you agree every time.
You know, you can't say just because you vote for a candidate, you gave up your principles.
No one's going to ever do exactly what you're going to do.
You're going to have to give up some principles sometimes.
I mean, we have to vote.
I don't know how old you are, but I've been voting in quite a few elections.
I'm tired of doing that.
I'm tired of giving up my principles for some guy that says he's going to do something.
He's a conservative, and he's not.
I can't do it anymore.
You understand?
They cut my heart out.
I'm sorry.
I know we got the Canadian on the phone.
I forgot all about him.
What's going on, man?
You want to chime in on this?
No problem.
I'm afraid I have to run, but it's absolutely fascinating.
I really don't envy anyone who's either a conservative or an independent right now in the U.S.
The only thing I can say, and it's just a small item, is that technically speaking, the Canadian system with its old sort of British rule and elitist type of mechanism should never have allowed the creation of a fourth party, the new conservative movement.
And yet it was successful.
So it can be done.
And I wish the independents in your country all the best of luck.
I think it's going to be a much harder battle for you guys.
But I think that it's not going to be in the next four years.
It may not even be the next eight years.
But I'd say 12 years from now, I think we're going to see some fascinating ripples, ripple effects from this continuous movement towards the left of the conservatives and seeing what happens with the independent movement.
I just wish you the best of luck.
And once again, thank you for entertaining having me on the show today.
Hey, thank you very much.
You have yourself a great morning.
Ghost, are you going to extend to another two hours?
I am extending it because this is a great, great discussion here.
And, you know, Dan is bringing up some great points.
And, Ozone, you know, like I said, I really agree with things that you say in your show.
You know, Democrats are lost and political intervention.
But this is something that I just can't agree with you on.
And obviously, you can't agree with me on.
And I just want to know, I mean, look, I don't want Hillary Rotten.
Okay?
I don't want Barack Hussein Obama.
But, I mean, I don't want some man who's going to sit here and say, oh, yeah, we need to extend the war to Pakistan and, you know, all these other locales.
And the whole purpose of what George W. was pushing was the fact that we were implementing democracy in the heart of the Middle East so that we can redirect the mental structure of theocracy, which is being utilized by tyrants in this part of the world to suppress people.
We're implementing democracy out there so that they can somehow look at America and say, wait a minute, you know, it's not that bad.
These people aren't the great Satan, that sort of thing.
But it's hard to push democracy in the international community when you have a Republican, or supposed Republican, that's going to extend the war, that's going to go out and continue the United States going out implementing democracy.
It's kind of hard to sit there and say, hey, we're implementing democracy, but you're going to have Jonathan Cain literally putting more regulation, more government influence in our lives, and he's going to erase the foundation of what we're trying to fight for.
Well, in the Middle East, you know, yeah, we want to make democracy, but there's a thousand places where they don't have democracy where we haven't went.
We went to Iraq because there was a threat in Iraq with the UN for many years, WMD, they were not complying.
UN said it.
Congress authorized it, and it was a threat.
I mean, that's why we went over there.
And then once you take out a government, you need to, what we do is we set it up like we did in other countries where they can create a democracy, where they can be peaceful and an ally and help us fight terror.
Hold on there, Ozone.
We got two minutes left.
I want to put, I believe this is the loon.
Are you on?
Yes.
Hello, Ghost.
How are you today?
How are you doing?
We got two minutes left, but I extended the show, so I don't know how that works.
How did it work last night there, Ozone?
Did it just kind of go into the next show?
It should go into the next show.
We'll ask people in the chat room, and if they don't, then we might have to all call back in.
Okay, well, I mean, it's one minute left.
I just want to let everybody know we got Dan, we got Ozo, we got the loon here, and Dan from Janor.
Hello.
Yeah, yeah, Guerrilla News Radio, by the way.
It's a great show.
And Ozone's got political intervention.
Lune, do you have a show?
No, I don't.
I'm a listener, but and I'm in Canada, but certainly somebody who takes this election very seriously.
It affects our country almost as much as the United States.
And as soon as this minute is up, I beg everybody in the chat room, if you can't hear us or if anything happens, just bear with us here.
I'll recall in if necessary and we'll get the second show on the road.
But go ahead, Lune.
You're open forum.
Go ahead.
Well, it's important to us as well.
Yes, our system of government is completely different.
It's a parliamentary system as opposed to a federal republic.
So that is different.
But because our two countries are so closely linked, it's just as important for us.
And the thought of a Democrat in office at this particular time in our history frightens me just as much as it frightens any Republican in the United States.
However, I do have to disagree with you, Ghost, and agree with Dan in that I don't feel that everybody should vote just because they should vote.
I am very much of the opinion that our vote is that important that we have to use it carefully.
I'm not voting.
Well, yes, but don't forget voting is a civic duty.
So it's that important.
Hold on, before we get off the air, there's 13 seconds, and I just want to suggest to everybody in the chat room, I don't know if it's going to relay into the new show, but if it is, let us know.
Let us know if you can hear us.
So here we go.
4, 2, 3, 1.
We're going to the new show.
Well, at least I thought we were.
Are you still on?
I'm here.
I'm here.
Okay.
You lost us.
Someone in the chat room lost us, it looks like.
And he says we're back.
We're back.
Are we back here?
It says that I'm not streaming.
Can everybody in the chat room hear us?
No, it goes.
Maybe we should just all call in again so this way it'll record properly and you won't have any problems.
All right.
Well, I'm going to well, you know what?
I think if y'all stay on the phone, it'll be okay.
I think it's up to me because I remember last evening you had Steve Holton says we're back.
I'll tell you what, let me call back in.
Y'all stay on the horn here.
Okay.
Go ahead and discuss.
And I'm just going to call back in so I can make it for the record here.
All right.
I'm going to be right back.
Go ahead, any one of you, Dan, you got Dan, Loon, and Ozone.
Go ahead.
Loon.
Hi, how are you?
How are you, Ozone?
Pretty good.
I didn't know that.
Lune, good talking to you again.
Good talking with you as well, Dan.
How is everybody tonight?
How are your dogs?
I know that both of you have dogs.
I know.
My bed.
Mine's shivering probably.
Oh, no.
It's cold.
It's cold down here now.
Oh, my gosh.
20 degrees outside.
Well, I'm sorry.
I tried very hard to prevent that Arctic air from going down to Pennsylvania.
I did my best.
I tried my best.
And I thought it would only get as far as Lake Ontario.
Unfortunately, it creeped across the border.
So once again, you can't blame Canada.
I don't blame Canada.
I don't blame Canada.
It's global warming and cooling.
That's what it is.
That's the problem.
It's Al Gore's fault.
That's right.
How's your son?
Oh, he's fine.
He's fine.
And your wife?
Oh.
Beautiful and fine.
Good.
Good.
Ozone, how are you doing?
Hello.
Yeah.
All right, we I think we're on the air here.
I mean uh Blog Talk Radio made me call back about two or three times.
I had that limey chick that usually answers the thigh radio.
I'm sorry, we're having technical difficulties here.
And you know, I mean, I had to call up about three or four times.
Can we can everybody hear me?
Yes, we can.
I can hear you.
Yeah.
How about the chat?
Can you hear me over the Internet here?
They're saying it seems to be dead.
I'll tell them to refresh.
Yeah, tell them to refresh here because, you know, this is a great conversation here.
I saw while you were gone, Ozone, we were discussing the Westminster Kennel Club show and trying to decide what breed would be best and sh would win best of show.
Wasn't it a beagle?
Yeah, it was a beagle.
I thought it was a Daxon, but I could be wrong.
Well, I am not sure.
I think I saw a story with a picture of a beagle saying the winner.
And my dog's part beagle, so.
Never Abstain from Elections00:14:34
Well, you're biased, so that lets you out of the way.
You are partisan.
Well, anyway, I wanted to continue the conversation.
Loon, you were suggesting that we I mean, as a matter of fact, I mean, I was kind of just keeping an eye on the clock.
I mean, you might want to restate what you were stating.
So go ahead.
I would like to know, Ghost, why if you feel we I mean, I think we're all agreed that this election is very, very important.
Sure.
And probably, well, anyway, in my opinion, it's the most important within my memory.
It really is.
It's the thought of Hillary Clinton becoming president really scares the daylights out of me.
And for more reasons than just yourself, that the fact of Bill Clinton being in the White House and having some influence over American politics again.
Sure.
I'd like to know why, if you feel it's this important, why you wouldn't vote?
Well, the reason I'm not voting is because I'm a conservative, first and foremost.
I mean, look, I'm a lifelong Republican.
I voted for a lot of Republicans, whether they won or didn't win in the presidential nomination.
But I just refuse to be a part of what's going on here.
I mean, what's going on here is that we're having an embracing of social liberalism.
And social liberalism is now dominated the political thought of the Republican Party.
And I remember a time when conservatism was the root of the Republican Party.
And I think that we've gone away from that.
I mean, we've gone way away from that.
As a matter of fact, it's not even an emphasis of the Republican Party anymore.
So why should I stay loyal to a party that's not going to stay loyal to the principles that was the root foundation of it?
And, look, I'm not trying to say...
Why would you have to write in a candidate, though, on Election Day?
Well, because it's just the same as saying not voting.
I mean, because, look, with all due respect to all the candidates that are out there on other tickets and that sort of thing, I mean, look, the bottom line is that you've got a two-party system.
Okay?
You've got Democrats and Republicans.
And Democrats have not, well, I don't know if they're, I don't know who they're going to nominate.
I could care less.
But they're going to nominate their candidate.
And at this point, we've already nominated our candidate.
Well, I shouldn't say our candidate, but the Republican candidate.
The Republican candidate is John McCain.
John McCain is two issues away from being a full-blown liberal.
And I'm just not going to embrace that.
I don't want to be responsible.
I don't want to be on the record.
As far as I'm concerned, and true conservatives out here shouldn't want to be on the record either for nominating the transition of power in America, which is blatant social, not even social liberalism, just liberalism.
I mean, McCain wants to extend the arm of government into people's lives more than people are anticipating or even think.
But I still think, you know, let's say, look at France.
If the conservatives over there decided they're not going to vote because the candidates were starting to get liberal, then they haven't voted for the past 50 years, and the entire country moved liberal.
Even now they voted for a conservative.
He's like a Kennedy over here, but over there, he's a conservative.
If all the conservatives say we're not voting, we could be in the hole for decades.
Here's the thing.
Nobody's suggesting not to vote.
At least I'm not.
Well, I am just on the simple fact that I was a Republican.
My show used to be called Conservative Republican Radio.
I'm a lifelong Republican, and the Republicans have backstabbed me.
So at this point, I'm not going to vote.
I'm not going to sit here and submit to social liberalism just because the party says so.
I mean, this party used to stand for principles.
I mean, this is one thing I agree with Barack Obama on.
Barack Obama said that the Republican Party was the party of ideas for the past 15 to 20 years, and they were.
And now they have submitted to liberalism, and I just refuse to participate in that.
I'm not going to put myself on the record for that.
Go ahead.
There are options, okay, and I sent you links to one of them.
Now, like I said, that's a small grassroots effort, but they are gaining popularity.
They are, like I said, they do have a couple seats.
They do have a couple of there's one or two governors, one or two people in Washington, serving as representatives.
There's a few mayors of major cities in this country.
It's something that's viable in the long term.
Not right now.
But like I said before, this party left me.
I didn't leave it.
I'm the same as I was 10, 12 years ago.
So if you, you know, to me, it's a lame horse, and it needs to be put down, period.
I'm not going to keep voting Republican for the sake of voting for the lesser of two evils and wind up actually pulling the handle that, you know, the equivalent of Hillary Clinton 20 years from now.
I'm not going to do it.
Absolutely.
Put the brakes on now, you know, trash it and start anew.
And that's how I feel about it.
Absolutely, Ozo.
Well, how can you say trash it?
Basically, you're just handing the election to the liberals.
And I don't know how you think that if I pair away from McCain, I'm handing the election to a liberal anyway.
So what's the difference?
That's how I look at it.
True, they're not the same.
They're not the same.
How are they not the same besides his maverick view on war and at the same time his supposed pro-choice viewpoint?
You take those two issues aside.
How else is he conservative, Ozo?
I was reading his health care plan that he has, and he's saying he wants more competition.
He wants the money in the hands of the consumer, the dollars to be decided with the consumers.
You know what?
I'm so sick and tired of hearing conservatives say, don't vote for, or vote for me because of universal health care.
First of all, that's never going to happen.
It's never going to happen.
No matter who the president is, they will never have the votes for that.
Never.
So, you know what?
I'm not saying universal health care.
This is not universal health care.
This competition between businesses to create competition in the market, like exactly the opposite of what's happening now with Medicare and single payer, to things that are more capitalistic.
What I was reading sounded like he understands that capitalism is the key underlying everything, not handing out.
If you go to Hillary's page, it's $5,000 for this, $5,000 for that, $3,000 for this, universal health care.
Again, promises she can't keep.
Yeah, well, she's not going to keep them.
Loon, how about you?
Are you not going to vote, though, for the candidate for the Senate and the House?
No, absolutely not.
No, I've suggested to most conservatives out there that we need to go back to a grassroots level and try to take back power, at least in the House and the Senate, on a state representative level.
If you're city council, all that.
We have to go back to the grassroots level.
I'm not suggesting that we just abstain ourselves from all elections.
I'm just suggesting that we need to just forget about the presidency and forget about the White House.
Liberalism is dominated there.
We need more Rick Santorums out here that are going to stand for conservative principles, that are going to go out and not be ashamed of it, not try to skirt around the issue, not try to be Republicans, or excuse me, liberals in Republicans' clothing.
We need more people that are going to go push and fight for the American family, who are going to fight for the fact that Roe v. Wade is wrong, and I mean, other issues of that nature.
I mean, that's all I'm simply stating.
I mean, at the same time, stand for what Republicans used to stand for, and what Republicans used to stand for was less government, you know, no regulation in our faces, and that's exactly what John McCain is representing.
He wants more government in our faces, more bureaucracy, and I'm not going to oblige that.
But do you not all of that is important.
It's very important, of course.
And I agree with what you're saying, Ghost, but at the same time, this election is different for the very reason that we have troops deployed, that we're in a state of war in two countries.
And now, with Russia and China continuing to build up their military, with all of these incidents, the latest one that happened yesterday with the bombing buzzing over the Nimitz, it's so important to have a Republican in the White House who is not going to cut the troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan and let al-Qaeda build up strength again and possibly attack the United States again.
It's too important.
Well, you know, the thing about that, and the thing I'm arguing about that, is that, you know, great, McCain's going to go out.
He's going to be a maverick.
He's going to go out and he's claiming he's going to go into the international community, kick ass, take names, all that nonsense.
But the whole purpose George W. went into the international community and trying to implement democracy in parts of the world that don't have it was the fact that we're a democracy.
Okay, and people are going to argue we're public, but we're a democracy first and foremost.
And this is where me and Ozone agree.
I mean, democracy is defined by a people choosing their leaders.
Now, the infrastructure of our democracy is a republic.
I'll grant you that.
But how are we going to sit here and try to implement democracy throughout the international community when we elect somebody like McCain who's going to continue the war, not only just in Iraq and Afghanistan?
This guy's talking about Pakistan, Iran, Syria.
He's talking about a lot of different places, which I mean, I'm not against.
But at the same time, how are we going to implement democracy when we're not going to have democracy here anymore?
And I guarantee you, if we elect John McCain, he is going to implement things that we've never even we would never even dream of.
I mean, just look at his legislation.
That's what I'm basing my whole accusation on is his legislation.
This man is more socialist and more government bureaucracy in the face of the American people than anyone on the Republican Party in history.
The thing about John McCain is he's untrustworthy.
He's untrustworthy because he says he's something, but then time and time again, he's going against, going against, going against his own party.
And so, you know, I don't trust him.
I don't trust him.
I think he's going to go hand in hand up and down Pennsylvania Avenue signing all kinds of bills that are going to title us, just like Hillary Clinton would.
I agree.
Any of y'all want to chime in on that, Ozone or Liloon?
On Iraq, I mean, you know, Ghost, it's not, we're not there, we're not there because we want to help them make a democracy.
That's the way we create stability.
That's the way we get them in an ally.
We're there because there's a threat.
I mean, America is there because there's a threat.
We're not doing this just.
Now, hold on a second.
Okay.
Now, it was a threat at this point.
You know, Saddam Hussein was, he did have weapons of mass destruction, but at the same time, he was a thorn in our side as far as national security is concerned.
But George W. Bush stated that the reason that we had to go in there was to sow the seeds of democracy so that we can fight this war against ideology.
Now, how are we going to fight this war against ideology when we're implementing either socialism or communism in our United States?
I mean, this is my question because let me tell you, John McCain, not only is he a liberal based on his record, but he has a temper.
He doesn't like people talking against him.
And I'm going to be surprised if I have the right to sit here and dissent against his administration after he happens to be elected president.
I don't think I'm going to have the right to do that because he believes that government regulation extends to different powers and different rights of the president or different rights of authority.
I mean, he tried to use his authority to regulate boxing.
I mean, boxing's a private industry.
You might as well regulate wrestling if you're going to do that.
Well, you know, Hillary and Obama, who knows what Obama thinks, but Hillary, she wants socialism.
I mean, that's her goal.
I mean, whatever she's saying now is just a stepping stone.
For McCain, he's more just a guy that, you know, he understands conservatism.
He understands capitalism.
He does.
You know, Ozone, I hate to interrupt you, man.
He doesn't, bro.
He doesn't.
He doesn't care about it.
I mean, if he did, he would have been in front of CPAC and said, look, I understand that we had our differences in the past.
I know, you know, instead of him saying, look, I know I need y'all to be elected, he should have went further than that.
He should have said, I will compromise on certain issues such as immigration, such as the social landscape that I believe in.
Oh, compromise to have your vote.
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He didn't say that.
As a matter of fact, he gave a good middle finger to all the conservatives that were at CPAC.
And it's a shame.
I'm not, I mean, you put me in the position of defending McCain.
I am sick also that he's the choice that we have to make.
But, you know, I'm comparing him to the socialists, and I'm not trying to say that he's...
But let me ask you this.
So basically, if this is the philosophy, then really you can't vote in any election unless there's a true, true, true conservative that doesn't want any social programs.
Other than that, if there's an election without someone like that, you can't ever vote.
No, that's not what I'm saying.
I'm just saying, stick to the conservative principles.
The conservative principles are against abortion.
We're trying to save the American family instead of trying to decimate it.
What if the Senate, though, someone like who is not a really true, true, true conservative is the Republican nominee?
And then there's a Democrat, you're also not going to vote in that?
Are you vote for the Republican normally?
I mean, Loon, Dan, do you want to chime in on this?
Go ahead, Lund, and then I'll go.
I just feel that it's too important an election to not vote.
And the very fact that national security is of such prime is really at the forefront of the election for me.
And it would be if I were an American.
It is for my relatives in the States that are American.
National security is their number one important issue above everything else.
And it's because of the fact that we're at war.
Whether we like to call it a conflict, whether we like to call it troops deployed, the point is we have troops that are fighting every day.
They're fighting an enemy that's not going to give up.
Other countries are now becoming significant threats, and those three countries are Iran, Russia, and China.
Well, I'll agree with you on Iran.
Well, I'll agree with you on Iran, Russia, and China.
But you see, you notice how we're just opening diplomatic relations with all these folks.
Well, that's what I was just about to say, actually, because, you know, China's biggest threat to us isn't militarily.
Isn't it military?
It's its economy.
And, you know, McCain isn't going to help us there either.
You know, he's going to do nothing to stop the floodgate from opening even more Chinese crap flowing into this country.
He's not going to veto the extension of the tax cuts if it's passed by the Congress like the other ones would.
He's not going to veto the tax.
If they rule to extend them, he's not going to veto it.
The other ones will.
But you know what?
That's a pittance.
That's a pittance compared to what I was just talking about.
Because we're talking about jobs.
We're talking about the value of the American dollar.
We're talking about all these things.
But here's the thing.
Because, Loon, because this is such an important election, and because the next four or eight years are so important, that's precisely why it's the right time to put this lame horse down.
Who's the lame horse?
The Republican Party.
But what you're saying, it's really America you're putting down.
Because America is the one that's going to suffer the consequences.
You have a doomsday philosophy about the next 12 years or next eight years or so.
What's going to happen isn't going to be nice.
What's going to happen isn't going to be, you know, this is what we're talking about here basically is a revolution.
Okay, and hopefully a revolution without a shot fired.
Okay, it's happened before.
It's happened a couple times.
So, you know what?
Why can't people just say, you know what, enough's enough?
I don't agree with what's going on.
This vehicle that we use to put our people in power, to have done, that we entrust our government to, it's not working anymore.
It's broken.
It's broken.
It's a sick dog, and it needs to be put out of its misery.
So that's when I say now is precisely the right time, because it does mean so much, and they will fuck it up so badly that people will be looking for something new.
You're saying that your strategy is that you're going to send America into a bad time so that they'll learn their lesson, hopefully.
Listen, Ozone, America's heading for a bad time sooner or later if we don't change.
If there is not fundamental change in the way things are done, it's going to happen either four years from now, eight years from now, you know, whatever, 12 years from now.
It's coming.
Regardless.
Regardless if it's a Republican or a Democrat in office, it's coming.
They're not stopping the dollar from crashing into freaking obscurity, are they?
Absolutely.
They're doing it.
They're not stopping China.
They're not stopping India.
What are they going to do?
They're not doing anything.
How do we stop China?
We stop China by going back to the world trade debating, or excuse me, the negotiating table and renegotiating that deal that we signed in 1973.
And at the same time, the deals that we signed during the Clinton administration that allowed all the means of production to leave the United States as far as the manufacturing and textile industries are concerned and go to China because not only do they have cheaper labor because China is utilizing the guise of communism to exploit labor out of their population,
but at the same time, I mean, we got to go back to the negotiating table because we charge them.
I'm really sick about that trade agreement.
Oh, not only that.
We don't charge that.
Well, look, let's put it this way.
If we were to import goods into China, they charge us a humongous tariff, okay?
Right.
And if China imports goods into our country, well, we give them a very small tariff that is rebated by their government.
So multinational corporations or Chinese corporations, whoever, have a financial incentive to go into China and manufacture goods there, export them to the United States, whether there are multinational corporations that were built in America, they have a move.
Go ahead.
Here's the thing, though.
We're talking about that trade agreement with China.
And this goes for other countries as well.
Sure.
This just goes to show you how useless even the Republican Party has become.
And that's that the measures that you're talking about to go and renegotiate this trade agreement with them with, the things that you say you want in that agreement, a lot of them are already there, but they're unenforced.
They are completely and totally ignored.
They are already there.
But look, if the products that come in from China, if we put a tariff on them, then everything in Walmart is going to be double the price.
Guess what?
You know what?
Here's the thing.
And this kills me about America.
And Lynn, listen up to this.
This kills me about my country.
We won't sacrifice a goddamn thing.
We won't pay an extra couple dollars for a pair of jeans because they're made in this country.
We won't pay, you know, We buy the whole the whole the bullshit.
The foreign cars are better.
Yep.
Okay?
You know, that's it it kills me.
It absolutely kills me.
I've never driven a foreign car.
Never.
Okay.
If I can buy it made here, I do.
You know, life, but you know what?
It's slim pickings, people.
It's slim pickings.
And it makes me sick.
And it's going to be more than that.
And then we were talking about the trade agreement with China, and I was just doing some reading up about this the other day.
I can send you guys links.
But those measures that you're saying you want implemented or put into that agreement, a lot of them are already in it, Ghost.
They just don't enforce it.
Where are the Republicans on that?
You know what?
To be honest with you, I have no idea.
And, you know, it's good.
And I understand where ozone's coming from because I thought that way for a minute.
I mean, I thought that, hey, we're bringing in cheap goods.
It's the capitalist way.
It's the world market.
But if you really read into what is happening here, we're just perpetuating the means of production as far as manufacturing and textile is concerned.
We're actually perpetuating for it to go out of America.
Not only to China, but to Mexico and other supposed free trade countries.
And on top of which, we have an influx of illegal immigrants, 20 million of them, that are devaluing the cost of labor for the jobs that are out here in America.
And look, America, and you know this, ozone.
You're all about production.
You said you always preach about, hey, you know, we should produce more.
Well, we're not going to produce more ozone because any time that we do invent something, we're going to export the mass manufacturing of it outside of the United States.
That's what happened to the tech industry.
Remember when technology was real big and the internet just exploded everything, the big dot-com boom?
I mean, at first, you know, everybody was going to school so they can get some big dot-com job and that sort of thing.
But what ended up happening?
The means of production of technology moved from the United States to India.
But that's also kept our prices down.
Now, when it comes to China putting tariffs on our products and us not putting tariffs on theirs, that does put obviously our companies at a disadvantage.
I would agree to put a tariff on Chinese products just as a strategic move to say, unless you remove the tariffs, we won't remove ours just to get them to remove it so we can have a free trade.
You know, but but but but with all due respect, um, ozone, you know, it'd be a different story if they were producing good products.
I mean, how many stories do we have to see where dog food is contaminated?
Aqua dots, whatever the hell that is for kids, are basically injected with the damn date rate drug.
You know, you've got all kinds of lead and all kinds of poisonous toxins that are in the toys that are in, you know, baby toys, teething toys.
I mean, it seems to me, in my view, that not only are we giving China all of our trading money, but they are trying to subliminally and trying to subtly trying to destroy us slowly but surely by putting toxins in everyday goods so they can destroy our minds.
I mean, look, I don't know what else to think of it.
I mean, why are they continuing to produce manufactured goods that are toxins for us?
That's because they have no health and safety standards in China.
They're never going to, and that's just a reality.
And as far as the tariff wars that have been going on for a very long time, there's tariff wars between the United States and Canada.
Those are going to be solved in the World Trade Organization.
And as well, Congress has got to get on board.
Congress was elected to do a job which I don't think they're doing.
And neither do the American people.
That's why the popularity of the Congress is at an all-time low.
Never mind the president's popularity polls.
Congress's polls are a heck of a lot lower than President Bush's.
Congress is at 20 and President Bush is at 30%.
Well, there you go.
And so it's up to the American public to get in touch with their representatives and say, look, we're unhappy with the way the economy is going.
We're unhappy with the fact that China is supporting not just low-quality, substandard goods in the country, but we're unhappy with the fact that China is inferior dangerous product to our country.
Someone took a bath?
I'm in the bathroom.
This is me.
I had the water on.
I'm actually finishing up my shift here.
Oh, my bad.
I'm sorry.
I thought somebody was in a bath.
I thought Ozone was saying, hey, I'm in the bath.
I was like, what?
Well, I had been in the bird bath washing my feathers earlier, but not right now.
Well, you know, I mean, I'm just saying that we have to think about what's going on here, in my view.
I mean, we have to come back to brass tax, if you will.
I mean, we have to sit here and say, hey, look, we have to think about what is happening to America, okay?
And we critically analyze this.
And if you critically analyze it, I mean, you look at everything, just encapsulate everything.
It's all liberalism.
I mean, why would we have such favorable trade deals towards China?
Because of liberalism.
Bill Clinton sold, almost sold the Lincoln bedroom to China.
I mean, they've sold ports to China.
I mean, you know, we're in a situation.
President Clinton pretty much sold the Lincoln bedroom to just about anybody that came along with a few dollars.
But it's not that China has been in many ways catered to and by Canada as well because of the fact that they're just so darn powerful, not only militarily, but more importantly, economically.
And that is where they're doing us the most damage.
But again, it goes back to the basics.
Who could change that quickly, a lot quicker than the president?
Congress.
And that's the place to start.
Absolutely.
I agree.
But unfortunately, we have a Congress out here.
And, you know, I don't know what it is, whether it's people running or the constituency.
I really don't know who to blame here, but we have a lot of incompetent Congress and Senate people that are just completely oblivious to what the American needs are.
And a lot of it, in my view, has a lot to do with the campaign contributions.
And I think there should be more watchdog people seeing who their candidate is and how much they're getting from an outside influence and who that outside influence is and if it's a subsidy of another government and that sort of thing.
And then maybe we'll be able to see on why our country is going down the tubes and losing its sovereignty and losing its value of currency because if we don't rectify this problem, it's going to be a serious situation.
And I feel sorry for everybody that's out there thinking that America is going to be the great superpower forever.
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It's not.
I mean, the rate we're going, we're headed towards indenture servitude, in my opinion.
But again, it goes back to each individual American, and that is America's greatest strength.
It always has been the strength of every individual American.
When this Congress was elected, what did Nancy Pelosi say they were going to be but the most ethical Congress, the busiest Congress, the most hardworking Congress?
No American thought that they were going to come anywhere close to that.
It all sounded good.
It made for good publicity, of course.
But Americans can work together to change things.
When President Bush wanted to shove through immigration reform and overall amnesty, didn't every American practically rise up and say, we're not going to stand for it.
You're not going to pass that President Bush?
And it wasn't passed.
Well, again, America, if you're unhappy with the way Congress is doing things, again, of course it takes time.
Of course it's hard work.
And of course people say, my vote doesn't matter.
What's the point of contacting my congressman?
They're never going to do anything.
They never have done anything.
But the point to remember is that it can happen.
Americans said no to President Bush when he tried to pass amnesty reform or pass immigration amnesty down your throats.
And again, America has to rise up and say, look, if John McCain is elected president, we're not happy.
Okay, that can't be changed maybe.
But the pressure needs to be put on Congress.
Ozone, Dan, y'all want to chime in this?
He's right.
You know, the president is only one part of the government.
I mean, there's the Congress.
We can start to push in the Congress.
Maybe, you know, it's going to be very hard with all the media and the liberal matrix, but we can use the government also with the judges.
You know, if Hillary or Obama win, they might appoint a judge now that they're going to choose the youngest one, the most liberal one that's going to be on the bench for the next 15 years.
Other things to consider besides just that emotions and that it's not the perfect candidate that we wanted.
I'll just chime in with this.
With that sort of way of looking at it, the president's just one person.
Like I said, Bill Clinton had to deal with Republicans in the 90s.
Bill Clinton was terrible, but it wasn't the end of the world.
It wasn't.
And I don't see the end of the union if Obama gets elected president.
I see an opportunity to explain win hearts and minds and become more conservative as a country.
Period.
At the same time, though, we did, well, at first when Clinton was in office, he had a Democratic Congress, Democratic Senate.
Then they passed a few things, and then the Congress and Senate got deceited.
And I don't know if you remember the time where they shut down the federal government because they just weren't happy with Clinton.
Do you all remember that?
And you see, I mean, I just think it takes, and this is why I say that a grassroots level is definitely something that we need to consider as far as conservatives are concerned so that we can be able to check whatever president, whether it's McCain, whether it's Barack Hussein Obama or Hillary Rotten Clinton.
I mean, we need to be able to check these people on a consistent basis.
And I think that the Congress and the Senate are the way to do it.
Now, I'm really glad that Congress and the Senate have a bad taste in most people's mouths because if we were to not have that bad taste in people's mouths, we're going to have a Democratic-dominated Senate, Congress, and Presidency here in the next year or so.
Ozone, Loom?
It's important to work hard, though, to make sure that that doesn't happen.
That even if, and God forbid, if there is a Democrat-elected president, then the work is to be done in Congress and in the Senate, primarily in the Congress.
Ozone?
I get over the point that we're in a war on terror.
Or war on terror a joke or not?
Because if it's not, we need to make sure that he's in there and not the other two.
And we have to do grassroots movement also.
We have to move with Congress also and everything we possibly can.
Right now, every day they're moving ahead.
In 10 years, when you plan that there's going to be a big movement, there's going to be another 30 million voters coming out of colleges that are 90% liberals that are now going to be funded by the government.
I'm sorry, but I don't agree with that because just the opposite.
In the 90s, we saw it was true.
The country elected a very liberal president.
He tried to do what he tried to do.
The country rejected it.
And the country actually became more conservative.
History is not on your side, my friend.
You know, and it was more conservative.
As a matter of fact, the conservative movement flourished during Clinton's administration.
Wait, the country is more conservative now, you're saying?
No, it's not.
Are you kidding me?
It's liberal as hell at this point.
And the only reason it's liberal as hell is because of the fact that we had George W. that actually implemented conservative values.
Now, I'll agree with you that, you know, maybe some of the social issues that he was for was not necessarily conservative in the fiscal sense.
But as far as the moral ethos and national security sense, I mean, at least George Bush tried to, you know, instill some sort of sanctity back into the moral ethos of America.
I mean, you know, he tried to pass certain amendments.
He tried to put forth certain issues that were affecting social America.
And at the same time, he understood the concept of terrorism, what its effects were on America, and the way to deal with it.
And the way to deal with it was not by what Clinton did during all those times we were hit up during the 90s, was just ignore them and they'll go away.
I mean, we have to battle this ideology.
Hey, guys, check it out.
Look, with Clinton, you say nothing happened, but as soon as at the end of Clinton's administration, the stock market dove before, nothing to do with Bush.
The stock market dove.
The country was starting to go down.
Iran's building nuclear weapons.
Korea is building nuclear weapons.
Libya is building nuclear weapons.
Iraq is not complying for 12 years.
It's a million killed in South Africa.
And who knows?
Oh, yeah, I'm not defending Clinton.
I'm just saying that that's what happened during the Clinton administration.
He had a pacifist approach.
I mean, it was basically, you know, just ignore the terrorists and they'll go away.
And they didn't go away.
And as a matter of fact, in my view, I think that the 9-11 attacks were planned during the Clinton administration.
And had the Clinton administration made Osama bin Laden the top priority as they claim that they did, I don't think we would have had 9-11 had they assassinated.
The idea was due to President Clinton's cutbacks of the CIA and the intelligence community.
That and his cuts to the military, th those were devastating.
I was one of those.
I was one of those cups.
Go ahead.
I was one of those cuts.
What, did they just say, hey, you're discharged, and that's all there is to it?
Oh, no.
No, no, no.
I was an MP in the Army.
And, you know, what they started doing was when you were up, you just could not re-enlist.
They just made it so that even if you were really good, depending on your rank, there was a whole tricky way they did it, but I wasn't allowed to re-enlist if I wanted to.
But anyway.
On the Clinton thing, and on the Bush 9-11, whether it would happen or not, I think what happened is in 1993, it was right after Clinton became the president.
They attacked the World Trade Center.
Really, there's no strategic reason to attack that because they're not going to take down America.
It's not going to have any result.
What they wanted was to scare Clinton and say, look what we can do.
And if you cause too much problems in our area and try to stop us or go after us, this is what can happen.
And then when Bush was elected, they did the same thing.
They said, we're going to hit them.
We're going to hit them hard.
We're not going to think ten times before he even thinks that.
Well, Ozone, I'd like to believe that, but there was a lot of terrorism during Clinton's administration that he basically shrugged off as an FBI issue.
As a matter of fact, that first World Trade Center bombing, he basically pawned it off on the FBI.
Two facts, Marlborough, right?
And if it wasn't for the fact that the Indonesian government was more, I mean, the Indonesian government was the one that caught Ramsey Youssef.
And Ramsey Youssef was the man that was the mastermind behind the first World Trade Center bombing.
And if it hadn't have been for the Indonesian government catching Ramsey Youssef, because Ramsey Youssef, what happened to this man, he was trying to bring forth another bomb.
He was trying to make another bomb in Indonesia.
And what happened when he was mixing the chemicals in his Indonesian apartment, it blew up in his face.
And instead of staying there, he ran off.
And what happened was they found Ramsey Youssef's laptop.
They found all this evidence relating to him.
And that's what was bequeathed to the FBI.
And they finally caught him.
Well, aside from John McCain's dislike of, intense dislike of waterboarding, I feel that he is a worthwhile candidate for president because of his stand on national security.
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And I have to go back with feeling that that's the most important issue in this election.
We're in a war on terror, and we're in wars right now.
And you can't just say it's almost liberal to be like, no, it's not a big deal.
We'll let it go.
You know what?
I'm on the verge of taking offense to that.
Yeah, I apologize.
Because, you know, it's so not, you know, again.
Liberals say there's no thing.
Okay.
See, first of all, a long time ago, I stopped seeing the world in shades of liberal and conservative.
I really have.
Okay?
Because these guys, you know, Hillary Clinton says, if I'm elected, I'm going to start pulling troops out in 60 days.
Bullshit.
Okay?
It's pure and simple bullshit.
All she has to do is pull out 10 troops, and then she'll say, hey, I pulled out troops.
She's speaking to her base, who she desperately needs to be elected.
That doesn't mean she's going to keep that promise.
She can't, and she knows it.
They don't want to be the ones to lose this war either.
Just don't think that just because of Democrats in office, this war is not going to be prosecuted.
It might not be prosecuted the same way, but don't forget they're the opposition party, and that's all they are to the Republicans.
Oppose, oppose, oppose.
So all this rhetoric you've been hearing for the last eight years doesn't mean shit when they get in office.
Look, even if she will do it, but do you feel comfortable with Hillary Clinton as the commander-in-chief?
You're going to put the troops on the street?
You keep putting those thoughts in my head?
No, of course not.
Of course not.
Well, there you go.
But again, like I said, if anything, if you've heard anything I've said just now in the last 30 seconds, it doesn't matter that much.
If you look at their tactics, if you look at what they say and then what they do, if you read between the lines, they're going to prosecute this war, maybe not the same way you would like to see it done, but you know what?
It's going to happen.
It's going to keep, because they don't want to be the ones to have another 9-11 either.
Listen, look, I understand what you're saying.
I understand that I can believe that Clinton might be, who knows, maybe tougher, but she's the one that goes with moveon.org that does Petraeus, Petraeus.
She says in the hearings to Petraeus, it requires a suspension of disbelief type argument.
Learn a little bit about inside the beltway rhetoric, okay?
Because that's all they've done.
You might believe that's all they did when Reagan was in office.
That's all they did when George One was in office.
And that's all they did when his son was in office.
Oppose, oppose, just for the sake of saying the opposite thing, okay?
Based on absolutely no logic whatsoever.
The things they do make no sense whatsoever.
When they're in power, they deal.
How does it deal?
They don't qualify them to be in charge, though.
The fact that you think that they're not telling the truth and they're going to go the other way, how does that qualify them to be with the commander-in-chief?
We know McCain believes that there can be democracy over there, believes that we can win over there.
Maybe Hillary, a lot of people, liberals, don't believe that there can be democracy over there.
Okay, I'm a conservative that doesn't believe there can be democracy in Iraq.
I think we're spinning our wheels over there.
I think what we should do, I don't believe in making bases over there.
I don't believe in any long-term commitments to those people.
I think we should, you know, you know what?
The policies as they were with the no-fly zones and the hitting them from the air before this war, we now know, we now know, was enough.
It was enough.
Okay?
Invading Iraq was a big freaking mistake.
Everybody can't admit that.
We bombed Afghanistan and then we lost the Twin Towers in 3,000 people.
Yeah, Afghanistan's a little bit different, though, isn't it?
I mean, we're talking about the Taliban versus Saddam Hussein.
But the lesson of 9-11 is that we can't wait till we're attacked.
That was the lesson of 9-11, that we can't wait till we're attacked.
I'm not saying wait until we're attacked.
There are things that Clinton ignored problems.
You know what?
By all rights, okay, by all rights, Osama bin Laden should have assumed room temperature long ago, and it could have been done with a bomb, but he said no.
He said no.
Are you okay if they pull out of Iraq?
What's that?
Are you okay with them with us pulling out of Iraq?
I think there's got to be an end to the mission, okay?
Whatever mission accomplished really means, there's got to be an end to it.
And these people have got to sustain themselves.
Well, you know what?
Let me tell you something.
That's why we're having an argument because everyone has the right to their own opinion in this.
But when you say that Hillary and McCain are the same, I think the reason that we're having the issue is because you don't believe that there's a difference, that McCain will make any difference, that there can be democracy over there.
So to you, they're both the same because you don't...
Not democracy the way you and I know democracy.
Okay?
It's not going to be the same.
Their religion does not allow.
Does not allow for it.
Our religion didn't allow for women to vote either.
Well, not just that, but the fact is that in the Middle East, it's a tribal society.
So they're never going to accept anything like the democracy that we know over here or any form of it.
And I do disagree with you, Dan, though, in that I do think that we have to have a continued presence there, not to the same degree that it is right now, of course, but I do think that al-Qaeda is too firmly entrenched to just say, okay, we'll have advisors there or military advisors or a small base.
I think al-Qaeda is too entrenched over there right now and too big a threat to us to draw down and stop and just say, well, we'll help you form a democratic or as close to a democratic society as possible.
I'm not suggesting that we pull out before we actually accomplish the mission.
But what you're saying is that this is an enemy we're going to be fighting and is unbeatable.
That we're always, from here until infinity, going to be fighting the same enemy.
I don't believe that.
I really don't believe that.
I think this enemy can be beaten, okay, and we can move on.
I can attest to some of that.
I can agree to some of that.
As a matter of fact, this is what I think that the Republican Party is headed towards.
I mean, that's what's happening to the Republican Party right there.
It's being flushed down the toilet because liberalism.
Okay, now, look, I agree that we're in a war on terror and, you know, Iraq, Afghanistan.
I mean, there are responsibilities in that sort of thing, but we have to understand that what's unfortunate about this situation is that if we elect McCain, who is completely against democracy, obviously, I mean, just look at his record.
If we allow this man to be president, he wants to prolong the war, not only prolong the war, but expand the war, which I'm not completely against either.
But if we're, I mean, just as long as we're abiding by our Democratic principles.
The last upgrade Republican leader was Ronald Reagan.
Okay?
Now, can you ever imagine Ronald Reagan's name being attached to a bill called Reagan Feingold, Reagan Kennedy?
And he gave amnesty, actually, to 1 million people, which led to the 15 million coming in.
He actually signed the exact same amnesty.
Right.
Well, you know what?
He was also divorced, and his kids hate him.
And, you know what, he wasn't a perfect person.
And his policies weren't flawless.
But you just the last great conservative leader we've had.
That was my statement.
But what I'm saying is, you know, can you imagine, you know, look how far look who we're about to throw our support toward.
A guy who goes arm in arm With who is essentially a political enemy.
I agree.
Why is Bush saying that he's a true conservative and that he knows him for years and he I know I know I believe he's making he makes Bush isn't a conservative either.
Well, I mean, I I like Bush, okay?
I mean, I I think this I mean he first of all, I voted for him for governor in Texas, okay?
Secondly, I think that he means what he says, says what he means, okay?
Thirdly, I think that the reason that we've done what we've done, okay, the the 9-11 attacks changed everything, obviously, but this is not a war against one country against another country.
This is a war against ideology, and the ideology is Islamo fascism, or not really Islamo, just Islamic radicalism, let's put it that way.
And unless we combat that with other ideology, we're not going to be able to stop it.
As a matter of fact, if we go in there and try to crush ideology, you know, it only gives more resonance to Osama bin Laden's rhetoric.
For instance, the reason that in 9-11, most of the hijackers were Saudi Arabians, was because Osama bin Laden wanted to put a Saudi face on the 9-11 attack because he believed that, you know, this was the beginning of George W. Bush's presidency.
He thought that if he would have do those horrific terrorist attacks, that George W. Bush would have went off half-cocked and would have went into Saudi Arabia because most of the, or I guess all of, I don't know, most of the hijackers were Saudi Arabians.
And he thought that, you know, somehow George W. Bush was going to go off half-cocked, invade Saudi Arabia, or do some sort of military action on Saudi Arabia.
And that would have given Osama bin Laden credence to all 1.5 billion Muslims in the world.
It would have given him credence to the fact that, hey, look at the infidels.
They're encroaching on our holy land and so on and so forth.
And George W. Bush didn't do that.
And that's why Osama bin Laden's in a cave sitting over there playing with his pecker shaft.
Preparing for the Long Haul00:04:30
Go ahead.
George Bush is a globalist.
Otherwise, we'd have a freaking fence.
Before the Republicans lost Congress, they lost their balls.
Somewhere between 1994 and a couple years ago, they all shriveled up and went away.
What happened to them?
What happened to them?
We had control of Congress, both sides, and a Republican president.
And the Democrats played them like a freaking fiddle.
And why?
There was no conservative leadership.
None.
No strong conservative leadership, Dan, and also the fact that none of us are prepared in this day and age, and maybe it's the old part of my soul speaking, but none of us have the same stomach for a fight that we once had.
We're not prepared in this day and age for the long haul.
We just aren't.
Society just isn't prepared.
And the growth of organizations like Code Pink and the Westboro Baptist crackpots are pretty much the same.
Oh, my God.
And they're proof of that.
The fact that the fact that their movement is growing and that anybody is listening to what they have to say is proof that we just don't have the stomach anymore for the long, hard haul fight.
It definitely is a fight.
It definitely is a fight.
This election is proving it out.
When you say fight, are you talking about the other people?
I mean the fight at at home.
We just don't have as civilians, we just don't have the the same stomach for a long, hard fight.
Do any of you think, because I don't, in this day and age that the public would tolerate the kind of casualties that were sustained even in Vietnam on a daily rate?
No, absolutely.
The American public would die on the road.
On both sides of the border, people simply wouldn't stand for it, no matter how important it was, no matter how many September the 11th occurred.
The general public these days doesn't have the backbone for a long, hard fight at home.
Well, you know what, then?
Then we're done.
And this conversation is pointless.
We're done.
I'm sorry, I had to have it.
There's always hope.
There's always hope.
And the very fact that we're even having a conversation, this series, shows us that we've got to take a long, hard look at ourselves on both sides of the border and say we do have the inner strength.
We do have the backbone.
We've endured it this long, and we're not going to give up.
That's exactly why I take the stand that I do.
Precisely why.
Because you know what?
I do see it as a long-term fight, but I don't see it with the Republican Party.
I don't.
And there's no better time than now.
Precisely because of what we're facing.
Precisely because of it.
I'm not shying away from it just because we have obstacles to clear.
I'm not.
Well, it's too important for all of us on the telephone, and it's too important for all of our children to have to face anything like this when they're age.
That's exactly right.
My son, I don't want him to become voting age, right, and have the equivalent of a Republican, Hillary Clinton, 16 years from now, to vote for.
And that's exactly where we're going.
You're going to put her in now.
But you also don't want your son, Dan, to turn around and say, Dad, why didn't you do something 15 or 16 or 18 years ago or even before I was born?
See, that's except, again, that's exactly what I'm saying.
Well, yeah, I don't think that'll happen because, you know, why didn't people say that about LBJ or Richard Nixon, Jimmy Carter?
The World Governed by Force00:04:56
You know, same thing.
Well, look, I think that we can't take a chance.
You're worried about 20 years.
You're going to put Hillary in now.
And also, back in the days, they didn't have the Internet and all the media and the colleges controls and funding from the government that they're going to expand.
Their propaganda is working.
And also, the population is changing all the time.
Every hundred years is a completely new set of billions of people on the planet.
And the old ones are completely gone.
And we see that 50 years ago there was World War II and all hell breaking loose.
And today people are living in a dreamland.
We live in Atlantis right now.
You might think things are bad, but we live in the country of Atlantis.
Every product that we could possibly need, we have.
There's all over companies.
I mean, this is a dream world we live in.
We're sitting in houses with so many things.
Just 100 years ago, no one would believe how freaking comfortable even the poor live.
We live in a dream world.
Also, we're bringing democracy to Iraq.
We beat the terrorists on their own soil in the place where there was the largest at stake, more money than more oil than anywhere else in the world.
And they were in the middle of their entire way.
They can recruit as many people as possible, right in the middle of the Middle East.
And we beat them over there.
And they're going to have a democracy.
It's going to take time.
But the women already have a right to vote, so they're ahead of us when we started.
And, you know, we have things to be optimistic out.
Well, you know, that comes as no surprise to me that we beat them.
I have every ounce of faith in the American military.
There's nobody better.
There's nobody better.
If you let the boys do what they're supposed to do, which is, you know, I hate to use this phrase because it's not my own, but kill people and break things, okay, because that's what they're meant to do, then they do it.
They do it.
They're defending, actually, and they're rebuilding, like we did in Japan.
Defense equals killing people and breaking things.
That's what it equals.
Okay?
I know, believe me.
Okay?
I know.
We didn't break anything in Japan.
We gave birth.
Yeah, we dropped an atomic bomb on Japan.
That was kind of breaking shit.
Well, yeah, we had to break a lot, but every year we were from the ashes, we built a lot.
Every year before the bombs were dropped, a million people died a year in war.
And then after those two bombs were dropped, numbers that dropped, that died every year dropped dramatically.
I'm not sure the exact numbers, but there's a significant drop right after the bombs were dropped, a significant drop in people dying in war as it went down from a million people a year or something like that.
Ozar, you know what?
I'm not saying this for any other reason but to prove a point.
When you pull the trigger and you kill somebody, it becomes different.
It becomes different.
You see things in a different light.
And you know what?
The reason why we live in a dream world is because we go around the globe doing what we need to do to protect shit here at home.
And how we do that is taking motherfuckers out, period.
That's how you do it.
But then not letting the next motherfucker take over, like Russia trying to take over Germany.
Don't put the cart before the horse, my friend.
Okay?
Look, you know what?
The world is governed by force, period.
It's governed by force.
Of course.
Okay?
And it means nothing without guns and bombs.
The law of the jungle.
Yeah.
So.
Right, but if we went into Germany, after we won, then we had to stay and secure the peace, or Russia would have just taken over Europe right there.
If we left, Russia would take over all Europe.
I mean, you know, we can't just go and we have to stay there and defend.
Iraq will never be able to defend itself against Iran.
They're sitting on a sea of oil.
You know what?
They'll be just fine.
I have a feeling they're just going to be A-O-K when we get them set up.
Okay?
Loom, you know, they had a bigger military than we did when we invaded them.
Not as strong, not as technologically advanced, but they had more men on the ground than we did.
That was Saddam's army.
That was Saddam's army.
Right.
But what I'm saying is, they have the population, and they will, it may not be as big as it once was, because, you know, why?
Because we buried what?
Well, I forget what the figure was, but in the early 90s, you know how many of them we buried in the desert with bulldozers?
And also, they are.
I'm not saying that to be funny, Ghost.
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I'm not saying that to be funny.
It actually, you know, w what I did, you know, what I was a part of, what we did, is is kind of hard to swallow, okay, as a human, as a human being.
Sure, sure.
Okay.
It's it but, you know, we were we were merciless.
We were merciless.
And, you know, it needed to be done.
It needed to be done.
I don't regret it, but I have to tell you that sometimes it turns my stomach.
Oh, sure.
Golda Meir once said that she can forgive the enemy for attacking them, but she can't forgive the enemy for forcing them to go and attack the enemy.
You know what I'm saying?
The fact that when someone attacks you and you're forced to go and kill the other side, you know, that's something that sometimes you're forced to do, and it's something hard to take.
In a nutshell, we're going to be dealing with the fallout from September the 11th for a very long time, and I believe probably longer than all of our lifetimes combined.
And that is a fact of life, and it's affecting every aspect of our life from the greatest, from the president right down to the local homeless person in our communities.
And it's going to affect all of us for a very long time, and we've just got to keep on fighting.
It's difficult times that we're in right now.
Election aside, even if there wasn't the election this year, it's bad news all around.
The media is not helping.
They're in many ways against us winning in any way, shape, or form, helping to demoralize our troops.
But it's up to us at home.
It sounds like old clichés, but it's up to all of us.
And we've got to do it.
We've got to keep fighting.
We've got to keep pushing.
We've got to keep getting the message out.
Blog talk, we've got the technology.
We've all got our blogs.
We've got blog talk radio.
And we've got a form to reach a lot of people.
And we've got to keep on doing it.
And if we have to get together every single day, then by golly, I say we've got to get together every single day and talk about it enough so that enough people start to get a little bit more strength in their backbone and keep on fighting.
And to me, it is a fight in every way, shape, or form for every civilian.
Yeah, we've got to do something.
I mean, with the media, like I know there was a tax book that someone wrote that is a bestseller and it's about taxes.
I mean, I think I was thinking that someone should make a movie with basic economics showing liberals this is how you destroy an industry by doing by letting government get involved in it, you know, and just showing that, you know, there's clear examples of how it's working.
People just are not aware.
You know, show them that the public school pays $20,000 per year and there's a 30, 40% dropout.
And all the private schools, even the best ones, they're only charging $10,000 a year.
And they have a 2% dropout rate and all their kids' SAT scores are 200 points higher.
And they're paying less than the public school that has dropout rates.
So why are we doing this?
Simple, and we've got to get a message out.
I mean, I have a I already wrote a two-hour script for a movie exactly with many points that are clear and easy to see.
But I can't do it.
But we need Hollywood.
More Republicans in Hollywood, more Republicans and conservatives in colleges, but they're scared.
There's conservative teachers, they go around, they just don't even mention that they're conservative.
Well, that's because of the gang mentality that we have with the leftist.
I mean, you know, like I was suggesting to you last evening, Ozone, when I was being attacked by all those folks on your show, I mean, that's the gang mentality of communism.
You can't sit here and oppose it and try to have some sort of civil discourse about it.
Because if you do, you're just going to be, you know, bombarded with personal attacks, logical fallacies, and anything else that'll dissuade your perspective on whatever subject matter.
What you've got to do is when they throw shit at you, you just got to let it bounce off.
Forget about that, and always focus on the issue.
I mean, I've talked to people so many times, and they just keep switching, changing subjects, this and that.
You just got to keep at them, and eventually you break through.
You just have to keep doing it.
Some you can break through, some you just can't.
They're not listening.
And then so you've got to move on.
But I think you hit a few, and it's going to be a ripple effect.
If everyone hits a few people, you know, that's we have to keep doing that.
We can't stop, and it's never going to end.
Even if the entire country becomes conservative, the next generation, it can all go to shit.
We have to keep doing it all the time.
Absolutely.
And I agree with that.
I think that the conservative movement should make it a point to try to instill certain conservative values, not only just to its base, but to the majority of the American people.
Because if we don't, we're seeing the repercussions of not doing it, in my view.
Absolutely.
And in the words of my good grandmother, we have to all be more like ducks instead of peaches.
Peaches are too soft and sensitive.
They're good to look at.
Ducks, water rolls off their back.
And it took me a long time to think that she was talking about anything more than peaches and ducks.
But those were very wise words.
We've got to start letting a lot more roll off our backs and focus on the important.
Be Ducks, Not Peaches00:02:31
And the important thing is getting the message out to as many civilians as we can that we've got to be prepared for a long fight more than just the war on terror or any broader war.
We've got to stiffen our backbones and we really do have to get into the fight here at home and to spread the conservative message.
And if that means overhauling the conservative party in Canada and the United States, so be it.
But that's going to start with every man and woman of voting age and begin where it's going to have the most effect.
In the United States, that's in Congress and in Canada in our House of Parliament, in Ottawa, and with our MPs.
And that's where it's got to begin.
Yeah.
What was I thinking?
Yeah, you know, in America, you know, people have liberal friends, conservatives, and they don't talk politics with them.
You know, and I think I see what I see from looking from far away is basically your friend's about to vote for communism and you're not saying anything.
Actually, you know what?
Me and the guys that well, actually, there's actually five of us now involved with our blog and the three of us involved on GNR.
Chris, if you've ever listened to our show, Chris, who is very liberal, and Mark and Chris are two of my best friends.
But Chris is very liberal.
Mark is quite moderate.
And I'm, you know, pretty conservative.
And like you said, you know, we can debate until the cows come home.
Okay?
You know, if you think you're right, you know, you're not going to be convinced.
You know, so, you know, that really, in my experience, you know, there's only one person in my life that I've ever converted from liberalism to conservatism, and that's my wife.
Okay.
My wife was a fine art major at a very liberal school here in Pennsylvania, you know, voted Democrat across the board.
But, you know, I explained things to her.
I guess opposites really do attract because, you know, here I am, you know, fresh out of the military, killing bandy, and I'm hunter and a fisherman, and, you know, a gun nut.
Doing Homework on Sources00:07:19
And again, it's amazing we haven't ever got together.
But, you know, now she thinks I'm crazy because like you guys, because I'm saying what I'm saying.
That, you know, we have to, you know, ditch this lame horse.
And she's, you know, she sounds a lot more like you rozone and you learn, where it's like, you know, don't give up.
We have to change it.
You know, but.
Well, you know what I say to that?
It's easier said than done.
Okay.
You know, I had some Republicans last evening suggest that we should do it on the community level.
Well, it's easier said than done.
I mean, if I wanted to make a community group to embrace the American family, conservative values and that sort of thing, I mean, it would be completely repulsive towards the population where the social ills, which is single-parent families of multiple different children, are becoming the social norm.
I mean, how am I going to sit here and gather a community of people that want to embrace the American family as far as a mother and father in the home?
How am I, as an individual, going to go out into the community and gather these people when they themselves are not living the supposed social norm or what used to be the social norm status quo, if you will?
Anybody.
Yeah, it's a new generation.
There's a new whole new group of people here that were not around in the times when the norms were different.
And these people were just brought up differently and were exposed to different ideas.
So Ozone, me and you are on the same page to a certain extent.
So I'm going to ask you, like I asked the Republicans last evening, are we just going to accept this and just go ahead and, you know, hey, that's just all there is to it.
You know, the American family's gone and we have to evolve from that.
Is that the stance that you're on there?
No, absolutely not.
I've been talking about it for two and a half years as well.
No, no, I understand you have, but, you know, with the statement that you just stated that, hey, well, we have different generations, we have this and that.
I mean, I'm not trying to insinuate anything, but it sounds to me like you have a defeatist attitude like most of the Republicans out here that I've been chastised by.
I mean, look, I just want to perpetuate the American family.
I'm not trying to say that you don't ozone, but by sitting here and saying, hey, generations change, that's all there is to it, I mean, it seems to me.
I'm not saying that.
I'm not saying that.
Okay.
Okay.
I'm saying that's just reality.
The generation changed.
The propaganda was not the one that we wanted, and now it's changed.
It's just reality.
I I don't want that.
I mean, I'm not old enough to say that I to could have even done anything about it or realized it.
But I mean, I'm saying we have to do everything possible, but what what can we do?
We you know, you we we need Hollywood, we need media, you know, and it's happening.
A lot of people are talking about it.
There's all kinds of religious things on T V. There's all kinds of conservatives on T V, on the radio, blogs, online.
You know, people are talking.
It's just that the liberals are doing it ten times harder.
So they control major media outlets.
You don't see the other ones.
And they'll also, they're actively promoting much more their thing, which is much more appealing to the younger generation.
And we're losing the fight, obviously.
And we have to fight harder, as hard as possible.
But what can you know?
What can I do?
I'm doing my part, I guess, but I wish I could make a big movie and put Michael Moore in his place.
But you're doing your part, Ozone, by having your BTR show.
All of you are.
By having your BTR shows, you're helping to get the conservative message out there.
Well, we're not.
Well, you're doing it with a very fun way, Dan, and a smile on your face and lots of balls.
Well, you know, the bad go ahead.
I have to agree.
Occasionally, we get, you know, there's a salient point now here and there, but only occasionally.
And that's actually a promise we made to our readers and listeners.
Well, I just think that we need something bigger and better than that.
I mean, obviously, Hollywood has been hijacked by liberalism.
I mean, you can just tell by the artist as far as the music industry is concerned.
They're feeding on us.
And at the same time, just look at the supposed big, bad directors, but the actors that are out here acting in these movies.
I mean, they've had three, four, or five different divorces.
You know, they're out here thinking that the American family is a joke.
And believe it or not, I mean, most people, the average layman in America, utilizes television as their source of news and information.
And do I agree with that?
Absolutely not.
I think they're intellectually lazy.
But at the same time, I mean, I don't know what to say about that.
I mean, you can sit here and say those people are lazy.
You know, I mean, they're not out there seeking out news and information.
You know what?
You know what?
Go ahead.
No, I was just about to say, you know, we didn't come up with the name of our blog out of thin air.
Even though, you know, like I said, Chris is a liberal and Mark is a moderate.
We all agreed that basically the media sucks.
Okay?
And really, the only way to get true news and information, and I'm talking about both sides of the aisle here, it could be heavily laden toward the Republican or conservative side, and still you're not getting the complete picture.
More so the other way, I believe, most times.
But the only way that we found, and this is why we came up with our name, the 800-pound gorilla, was that we were doing it with humor, okay?
But we were taking sources.
And I believe the only way to get true news and information these days is online.
And you have to do it through multiple sources.
Absolutely.
You can't just read it, read one guy or one blog or whatever.
The truth is out there, but it's between the lines, and you have to really do your homework.
And, you know, that's how we came up with our name.
And, you know, we're the only one you know, not the only ones, of course, but we touted ourselves as, look, yeah, our vehicle is satire, but at the same time, we're speaking, you know, basically the truth as we see it.
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Sure.
You know, through homework.
That's just satire because, I mean, look what you're up against.
You're up against, you know, reality TV and all this crazy nonsense on TV.
These people, this is the audience that we've got to reach that's watching all these shows every day.
And so, you know, you've got to keep them entertained, I think, a little bit.
I think that you need to keep them entertained in order to get your message.
Oh, absolutely.
I mean, why do you think I say some of the outlandish things I say on this show?
I mean, I've been criticized.
I mean, you heard it last.
Well, both Gorilla and Annozone heard it.
I mean, you know, some of the critics of my political persuasion were saying, oh, well, you say peckershaft and you say.
I was listening to the archive of that marathon that went on last night.
That's what I'm saying.
I mean, you know, you say peckershaft.
I mean, look, the only reason I'm verbally colorful is so that people that don't agree with my conservative views will find some sort of continuity to continue to listen to it.
And to me, in my view, as long as they continue to come to my show, whether they think I'm ridiculous, whether they think I'm funny, whatever the case might be, it'll make them think the repetitiveness of it will say, well, wait a minute.
Maybe I am wrong because all the propaganda that I've been fed by the mainstream media, by everybody else, is just not the right way to go.
Because if it was the right way to go, we'd be in a little bit more of a greater situation, in my view.
I mean, I think, or the people should think that we would be in a little bit more peace.
We would have a better society, a better social morale, and we don't.
And that's the only reason why I do what I do.
I know that most conservatives on BTR, they try to be as straight arrow as possible.
But unfortunately, you have to be some sort of a badass, in my view, because if you don't, you're just going to dissuade everybody.
I mean, first of all, you're going to have everybody who agrees with you listening to you.
But you don't want everybody who agrees with you listening to you.
You want people that hate you.
You want people that despise you to listen to you so that if they listen to you enough at some point, maybe you won't change their mind on everything, but you'll be able to at least make them think about your perspective.
You can make them think and say, well, you know what?
I can understand why they do this, or I can understand why they do that.
And once you push them beyond that line, that's when they'll begin to compromise.
That's when they'll begin to start thinking that, hey, maybe all my liberalism garbage isn't the most healthiest thing for society.
Maybe five or six different divorces isn't the most healthiest thing for society, and so on and so forth.
Well, putting our message across, putting the conservative message across with intelligence, but with some humor as well, I think is just important.
And that's the way to reach the most people.
And certainly younger people, there's got to be a little entertainment value, and there has to be some humor as well.
And the shows that I listen to that I like the most, yes, by and large, they're conservative.
I listen to a couple that are a little bit off the wall and have nothing to do with politics.
But again, it's the entertainment value that's important on the conservative shows.
And that's the way of getting the message across.
Go ahead, Mark.
Okay, we interviewed John Booty last Sunday.
And I was joking earlier tonight when in the in the chat room of the brash pack when you asked me what I thought of the show, I really was teasing when I mentioned I only liked the last 14 and a half minutes of this show.
Actually, I liked the fact that very much that you had John on and that you did a a serious interview and had some humor in it.
Yes, it was a more serious tone to that part of the show, but it still helped to get the message across.
Not so much that any of us think or anyone in the chat room or listeners thought that he was going to be sworn in as President of the United States, but it is a way of getting people to think, and that's what's important.
Well, you know what?
You could really, you know, I really appreciated Chris's and Mark's, really.
I hear them crunching down on their tongues, you know, with his answers.
But we had agreed ahead of time.
We had agreed ahead of time that we were going to do a straight interview with him.
And this wasn't going to be a debate.
This was John's forum, basically, to say what he has to say.
And we were really hoping we let him go on a little bit too long, actually.
We were hoping for some callers and get the debate going that way.
But you know what?
We weren't going to jive this guy because, you know what?
Yeah, you know what?
He doesn't have a chance.
And he knows that.
He's not delusional.
But the thing is, is this, you know, just because he's doing what he's doing and he's running for the office he's running for, you know, when he's in his campaign mode or when he's talking about the issues, he deserves a little bit of respect.
And, you know, and that's what we had agreed upon.
Now, we took a lot of crap back by no, no, no.
No, by who, by who?
If you go to the blog, the8horncombira.com, if you go there and read, you know, we always have a show recap.
If you read some of the comments, and we've had a lot of comments on that interview from our readers, they're like, I can't believe you guys just let him say what he wanted to say and not said anything back.
But they didn't get the fact that this wasn't going to be a debate.
We're not MSNBC reporters, you know, ripping apart everything everybody says.
Now, you know, if I had Barack Obama on the show, which would be a dream, actually, I'd love to have him on the show, I'd give him the same respect.
I'd give him the same respect.
I'm not there to fight with a guy.
It's a forum.
And I'll let the listeners call in and say what they have to say.
But anyway, kudos to Chris and Mark for abiding by that fact.
I think it went off really well.
I think it did as well.
I respect John very much.
I've heard him on other shows.
And I like what he has to say.
I like his message very much.
He lives about 15 miles from me in Lynx County here.
Really?
And yeah, we're actually almost neighbors.
But I've never met the man.
Do you know Jason, his son?
Well, that's who my channels was.
Jason is basically acting as his dad's manager.
Jason is one heck of a guy.
Again, only through emails have I talked to him.
But they're good people.
Very good people.
They are.
Have any of you ever thought of having or well, I guess I should direct this question to Dan since the gentleman is from Pennsylvania.
Have you thought of having Lieutenant Colonel William Russell on the show, the gentleman who's running against John Murtha?
No, but that's a very good idea, and thank you for bringing that up.
And I was just reading about that actually tonight.
And he is running he's actually not a Republican, right?
He's actually running as a Constitution Party candidate, isn't he?
I think he's running as an independent.
I'm not 100% sure.
Okay.
Yeah, I was just on now the Constitution Party, if anybody listening hasn't, you know, if you're not conservative, and I mean, you know, as Ghost would say, a true conservative, you're not going to like these guys.
Okay, you're not going to like them at all.
But if you're consider if you've got red blood running through your veins, you're going to dig what they have to say and you're going to like the platform.
But the Constitution Party, of course, is small right now.
But they're growing.
And they will support independence.
And I think that's where, actually, on their homepage, I was just reading about him tonight going up against Mertha.
I'm just over here.
I was going to try and get you.
Well, anyway, when you Google in his name, Lieutenant Colonel William Russell, there's a whole lot of different sites that show up.
I did have the exact web address for him, but I can't seem to find it right at the moment.
But anyhow, that's neither here nor there.
The fact remains that well, anyway, it's just a friendly suggestion, but I do think he would be an interesting candidate for you all.
I've heard him speak twice on two different shows, and I think he's got not only a good message, but he's an interesting gentleman.
Well, you know, there must be something in the water out there in Western Pennsylvania, because Mertha is another prime example of a Republican going south.
I mean, you know, there must be something in the Allegheny.
That's all I have to say.
Well, it could be.
It could be something left over in the groundwater, no doubt.
You know what?
It could be the movie The Deer Hunter.
Well, it could be.
What I do know is that John Merth Congressman Murtha is the only person other than one other person in the whole history of the United States Marine Corps that is referred to as an ex-Marine.
That's how unhappy they are with Congressman Murtha.
Yep.
I just looked at McCain and Merthyn.
I see they're almost the same guy, you know, except except for, you know, with the exception of, you know, the support for the military.
But yeah, I mean, you know, between Mirtha and who else were you seeing?
Murtha and who?
Oh, McCain.
Yeah, as I say, Murtha and McCain, you know, I mean, it's basically the same thing, different plates.
The only difference is that I believe I don't know Mirtha's stance on social issues, but I mean, there's basically two issues keeping McCain away from being a social li or liberal, not social, just a blain-out liberal.
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The first, obviously, is his international relations ideology, which is being a maverick and going out and, you know, kicking ass, taking names in the international community.
And his second is the supposed fiscal responsibility when it comes to pork barrel spending and candidates or not candidates, but uh congressmen and and senators leaving earmarks for their constituency and that sort of thing, even though uh John McCain just recently, you know, signed in ten million dollars to go to Arizona State University.
Well, you know, you you you you can only trust them as far as you can throw him as far as that stuff goes because you remember Feingold how you know they were going to clean up politics and get the money out of uh the political that's what they said.
I remember it.
You know what?
They left just enough loopholes for the incumbents, didn't they?
In my view, I think they left enough loopholes for the Democrats to raise the amount of money that they're they're generating.
I mean you have to look at Barack Obama, Barack Obama in Iowa.
He spent $9 million in Iowa.
I mean that's serious money.
And at the same time you got to you got to look at how much money the Democrats are generating and I'm not really a favorable fan towards the Mormon on the right side of the aisle.
But I mean you have to look at what Romney spent on top of the campaign contributions that he was given.
He tried to spend his own money to try to to try to win this candidacy and he couldn't do it.
Did you guys hear his speech at C at CPAC?
Yeah, as a matter of fact, I mean where was that speech I was just about to say that.
You know what, Gorilla, I was just about to say that, man.
I mean, this man sounded genuine.
He sounded someone that was really talking from emotion, that wasn't talking out of a political paradigm.
I mean, exactly, where was that guy during the election, in my view?
Well, I think because the arguments, you're talking about Romney, right?
Yeah, Romney.
Yeah, well, his arguments at the CPAC were geared more toward a general election because he was talking about the difference between Republicans and Democrats.
We never heard any argument of how important Iraq is and the war on terror.
And we need, you know, because we because the Republicans are all running against each other and they all support the war.
So we never hear arguments like that.
And all we hear from Democrats is that they're going to pull out and they're going to end it.
So we never heard that before.
But I think that when we start hearing the general election, the difference between when people think of Commander-in-Chief Obama, Commander-in-Chief Hillary, I think McCain is going to win.
And I think that there's not going to.
It's going to if we, if the message gets out and people see the commercials with Al-Qaeda and saying hey, you know, there's a threat, who do you want as commander in chief?
People are going to vote for McCain.
You know, in a few months from now, you know it we'll, we'll all be enlightened as to what the outcome is going to be.
And but I have a, I have a feeling, and I've already been seeing it and I've been saying it on on DNR for a while, McCain, now, what the media does, you know, every word that's spoken, you know, on in the media, it has a purpose.
Yeah.
Okay.
And McCain was their boy on the Republican side.
He was their fair-haired child.
And you know what?
Now, now that he seems to be like the only one, and he is, they're starting to throw him overboard.
You're going to see so much stuff in the media anti-McCain that, you know, and you know what?
The sheep are going to go along with it.
They are.
I don't know.
I think the opposite is going to actually happen.
The media is already starting to go against him now that he's the frontrunner, the clear frontrunner.
And I think, you know, the media is going to be a big, like they always are, you know, very influential.
They were also when Bush was running in 2004, the Iraq war already started.
The Bush lied, kids died, was already in full effect.
Joe Wilson was already saying he went to Nigeria.
And Kerry, it was complete wrong war, wrong place, wrong time.
And the polls were saying Kerry is winning and Kerry's going to win.
And every Democrat is 100% convinced.
And all the media is telling that for sure Democrat's going to win because Bush is an idiot, basically.
And then Bush won.
Right.
Different race, different candidate.
I mean, you know, Carrie was, you know.
Hello.
I lost you.
Oh, dear.
Hello.
Dan?
Dan.
Phone died.
Oh, yeah.
I think the phone died on Dan.
You know, that sucks.
We were really listening to Dan there.
Oh, gosh.
Well, you know, I do wish that Mama McCain had been running because I do think that she would have won hands down in an election and become the first woman president.
I really do.
That is a very strong lady.
Do you think that she agrees with well, I don't know if you know that, but just assuming on her actions, do you think that she agrees with a lot of the liberal perspectives that her son does?
And what I mean by liberal okay.
No, I really don't.
I've read when I first learned that, first of all, that John McCain's mother was still alive.
I did a little reading on the lady, and she's quite a remarkable woman in her own right.
And I haven't gone been able to go too far back yet because I just started reading about her over the weekend.
But I do get the feeling that she's quite that she's a lot more conservative, a lot more true conservative than John McCain.
Sure.
I mean, I'm sure she is.
And I think we got Dan back on the line.
Dan, you're there?
Yeah, sorry about that.
I forgot I had a drop call.
Thank you, AT ⁇ T. What can you expect from the status quo, if you will?
Now, now, now, now, I'm on the speaking through the daughter or the son of AT ⁇ T up here in Canada, so don't say too much against me.
Uh-oh.
Well, anyway, I just caught the tail end of what you were saying there, Lune, and that's actually pretty interesting.
Oh, Mrs. McCain is a great lady.
But I really do think that it would be a woman like herself that would carry the day for a lady to not that I'm advocating that in any way, just because she is a woman, but I do think that a woman like Mrs. McCain Sr. would certainly be able to go up against anyone that the Democrats would put up for a candidate.
I have no question.
I mean, I agree.
I mean, with all due respect to the well, actually, I don't, but with the Democratic candidates are concerned.
I mean, obviously, Hillary, we know the history behind that, so I don't even have to go into that.
But Barack Obama, and I've stated this ever since the beginning of my show.
I mean, he really hasn't said much.
He's been very purposely evasive about his political platform.
The whole thing he's trying to sell is this change, change, change.
I don't know if he's talking about the change in his pocket, but I mean, we're not hearing much substance from Barack Obama.
I don't really know what he stands for other than the fact that he wants to leave Iraq.
He wants to open a dialogue with Iran.
As a matter of fact, I think he wants to talk to Hugo Chavez and Castro.
Oh, he wants to talk to all the perceived enemies of the United States, present or future.
He just seems to want to talk to a lot of people, except to he seems to have he seems to like, and he is, I will give the gentleman credit that he is a very good public speaker.
But one would think that going around the country and speaking to so many people and using his legs, that he could use another body part and put his hand over his heart during the singing of the national anthem.
Actually, you know what, Lynn, we talked about that a lot, and it bothered me so much because I didn't want to speak out of turn.
I didn't want to put, you know, in other words, I didn't want to be untruthful or mislead anybody.
I've found so, you know, and again, you guys probably figured out I'm a Barack Obama fan, but I have found tons of pictures, tons of pictures of him with his hand over his heart, lots of YouTube videos with him, you know, reciting the Pledge of Allegiance.
That one picture was totally taken out of context.
But no, no, no.
Dan, and I hate to back up people that well, actually I don't.
Never mind.
But I just want to back up what Loon was saying here.
Barack Obama did say that he doesn't salute the American flag, that he doesn't put the American flag on his lapel.
Asked why not, he just suggested that, you know, he feels that he doesn't have to.
I understand that it's a person.
It doesn't, but go ahead.
No, pardon me, but I feel very strongly about it, that regardless of whether or not somebody feels that it's only speaking to the cameras, in a lot of ways it is.
But it's such an important issue now post-September the 11th.
And it would do more than just be pandering for votes, I feel.
I don't see why he has taken the stand that he has.
I really don't understand.
Yeah, it's a symbol of America.
It's like a rank on a soldier's arm.
Why wouldn't you put the symbol of America on you?
You know, if there's some kind of everyone's wearing it or it's a holiday or some kind of ceremonial thing, why couldn't you?
But I think Obama, the reason why he doesn't have to say anything, because his number one campaign issue is that he's not Hillary.
And I think the entire Democratic Party, they might act like they know what's going on, but they're all in a state of flux.
They don't know what to do.
There's some that like Hillary and then the other half that hate Hillary.
There's some that they don't like Hillary.
They don't they go to Obama, but they know the guy is not experienced.
They go they know this is not a presidential candidate that's gonna well, you know, maybe when you can dream about it, you can do it.
But when you're gonna have to vote for him in the voting booth, you know this guy is not cannot be the president of the free world and face all the nations and the threats and all the economies.
He doesn't have the experience.
Everyone, they're gonna know.
And I think that McCain is gonna be a clear alternative to and and you know, they talk about the split in the Republican Party, but the Democratic Party, you know, they still haven't chosen.
And I'm telling you, half half like Hillary and half hate Hillary more than McCain.
Yeah, again, back to whether he does it, you know, puts his hand over his heart and salutes the flag or not.
Maybe he only does it when he feels like it.
But like I said, I have lots of pictures and lots of video and stuff of him actually doing it.
So that's all I know.
You know what I mean?
So pictures worth a thousand words.
Well, and the one photograph, though, is going to haunt him.
I really do think it is.
Oh, I'm sure.
I'm sure it's going to be an issue.
I mean, McCain made issues out of things Romney never said.
So, you know, I'm sure he's going to make an issue out of this.
So, you know, it's more power to him, I guess.
You know, that's his politics.
You know, some of the two things that, you know, the words or how he misconstrued what Romney said in these different speeches was just actually shameful.
I mean, he out and out just outright lied about what Romney was saying.
And it was actually shameful.
It's turned away a lot of Republican voters.
It really has.
Yeah, absolutely.
Created its own split in the party.
Just like Mike Huckabee continuing to hang on and hang in there has created a split as well.
Absolutely.
And, you know, Huckabee has no mathematical chance to win the election.
But the only or the nomination, I should say.
The only reason he continues to do so is because he's a tool being utilized by the social liberals that have hijacked the Republican Party to gather up the base.
And once they're gathered, all he has to do is say, well, you know, it's just not that time.
Just go ahead and, you know, you know, vote for Republican, vote for McCain, and everything will be all good.
And that's exactly what we're seeing here.
In my view.
I agree.
How many onions do you all think that Hillary Clinton is going to go through by November?
She's probably swallowing one right now as we speak.
Start buying onion stock.
I could smell her onion breath when she gave her last speech for Christ's sake.
Well, you know, it's that side of her behavior that has turned all of my female relatives in the United States off from voting Hillary Clinton for Hillary Clinton, even though they're all Republican.
They've all said that one and all they would it's her herself.
It's not the fact of a woman running for president.
It's absolutely the fact that they do not like, they do not trust Hillary Clinton, the person.
And they don't.
I mean, I agree.
And they have rights to do so because, I mean, we all lived through the first, well, I shouldn't say the first, but the Clinton administration.
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I mean, you know, he turned the Oval Office into the oral office.
I mean, you know, he just completely just ruined the sanctity of, I guess, I mean, the White House.
I mean, yeah, I mean, I just my favorite policy of the Clintons in the White House was no military uniforms.
That was my favorite one.
God, wasn't that disgusting?
Oh, Lord.
You know how millions.
I thought the Marine Corps, I thought that the Marines that do did duty at the time in and around the White House should have just showed up in shorts and tank tops and beach balls and just something that ridiculous.
Because that is how ridiculous her request was.
I agree.
He was having sex in the office with Monica and all the youth of America saw that.
I mean, they gave them an open door to say, hey, look, the president is doing it cheating on his wife.
I mean, that alone sent a huge wave of exactly the opposite of what Ghost always preaches.
Well, and on top of which, the way that Bill Clinton tried to redefine what the definition of is is and how to split hairs and that sort of thing also perpetuated a propensity for most I don't know whether whether you call it youth or disenchanted elder people or mature folks.
I mean, they're sitting over here trying to justify oral compilation as some sort of form of just, you know, handshaking.
I mean, that's basically what they tried to do and what Clinton did, and he's done it successfully as far as I'm concerned.
What mattered to me was where it took place more than the actual act.
The very fact of it occurring in the White House, well, I guess it might be arguable as to what other presidents might have entertained lady friends in other parts of the White House, whether they have or they haven't, I don't know for sure, but certainly one president in history comes to mind.
But the very fact that Bill Clinton chose the Oval Office to me was completely disgusting.
You know, I saw a C-SPEN where he was doing an interview and they recorded the C-SPAN interview right before the Monica Lewinsky scandal broke.
And he was giving a tour of the Oval Office and there was the little library where he was always doing it with Monica right near the Oval Office.
Basically, he's saying, oh, and that's my reading room, and I like to read about Lincoln.
I like to go in there often, and I lock the door, and I go, and that's what he's saying on the speech.
And then we find out he's locking the door.
And if Hillary wins, I'll tell you, guaranteed, that there's going to be interns in there that he's going to pick that he's interested.
There's going to be sex in the freaking White House.
He's not going to go four years and just sit around.
He wants sex.
Well, he's going to be able to do that.
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They'll either be all men or they'll be very old and ugly women.
There'll be interns that will get jobs that no one will know where they're from.
Oh, they got the job.
Okay, but Clinton knows exactly where they're going to.
It's going to happen.
Have any of you had the opportunity to actually go to D.C.?
I mean, how many of you actually have been in Washington, D.C.?
I've been there.
I've been there?
Okay.
Have you ever been there?
In the congressional office buildings?
No.
No.
Okay.
I've had the opportunity to go and visit some of our representatives in the past, and I've been through the halls of the congressional office buildings and places like that.
And it's let me tell you something.
It's a virtual smorgasbord of skirt.
Okay, these guys.
No, I'm telling you, it doesn't begin or end with Bill Clinton.
I'm not justifying him in any way, okay?
But it it is, you know, uh it's almost like many skirts are a requirement.
That is the dress code.
Okay.
So, you know, it's now you know rock stars and politicians, man.
That is why I've always thought that it would be uh I I've never understood why well I I can understand the basic reason why women in the military wear uh skirts as part of their uniform, but I always thought that, first of all, being a lady,
the skirts to me look extremely uncomfortable because of the fact that they are shorter than than they really should be for um to be considered in any way uh decorous, but decorative, yes, but uh certainly no part of decorum.
And secondly, I I think it would remove a lot of the problems that have occurred and and do occurred in the military if women's uniforms were exactly the same as the men's, including the covers.
I don't understand, except to enrich uniform makers, why there is such a difference.
You know what it is, it's tradition.
A lot of what happens in the military is happens solely because of tradition.
Correct.
And you know, you know, when I was in basic training, we didn't train side by you know, we we trained side by side with the female platoons, you know, but we they weren't with us all the time.
And well, they were in the area, I should say.
And, you know, they wear the same, you know, BDUs or battle dress uniforms.
Correct.
You know, that's all the same.
But as far as the Class A uniforms go, the idea was, you know what?
Yeah, you're a soldier, but you're a woman, and we still want you to be feminine.
You know, so obviously they're not going to lock and load in their Class A uniforms, hopefully.
You know, but that's that that's what it is.
It's tradition, and that's how it's always been.
And you're not going to change, obviously, you're not going to change the military very fast.
Oh, no, I understand that, Dan, but I just never understood why, right from the beginning, that it and I can understand wanting to be considerate and of uh a woman's uh femininity and and agreeing that you know they're women, so why couldn't they, in a dress uniform, wear a skirt?
But but I do think that in the long term that it it would have just it would have prevented some problems, not not everything, of course, but I I think it would have been better across the board to have just made the uniforms very similar.
They are that way in Britain, where there is a dress uniform that does include slacks for women, and when Princess Anne was attending her grandmother's funeral, she is part of the British, an officer in the British NAVY, and she chose to go with the regular dress uniform instead of wearing a skirt.
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Wow.
Well, that's you know, this is a new America we're living in, Loon.
Well, I mean, I know you're in Canada, but I mean, here in America, I mean, you know, this is it.
You know, we're just how's the health care up there?
Oh, my gosh.
Oh, my gosh, that's a completely different marathon of shows, Ozone.
Our health care system is pretty much in its death throes.
And I don't mean to be humorous at all.
It's really falling apart, and the government, as well as citizens, are beginning to say that universal health care as it is right now doesn't work.
I've spoken about it before with Chris and Marco and Dan over at Guerrilla News Radio, and it just isn't working.
It's not good for patients.
It's not good for physicians, and it's not good for the economy either.
I believe it will never work.
It can't work.
It's a failed policy.
Oh, no.
Oh, no.
And if any part of it was implemented in the United States, it would be the tip of the iceberg towards socialism.
Yeah, I do a lot of my shows.
50% of the time, I talk about healthcare and why it's going up, why the price is going up, why any competition over the government deciding which town's going to get the next MRI center over the next five years.
Well, you know what, folks?
I got three minutes left, and I just want to let everybody know who's out there.
It's been a great show.
Ozone, Loon, and Dan from Guerrilla News Radio.
Thank you for tuning in.
Everybody who wants to get back to me, get back to me at myspace.com/slash ghostpolitics.
That's all one word, no underscores.
And I'd like for all of you to promote your shows because y'all are great folk.
I mean, I know Loon doesn't have a show.
Do you have a blog or anything?
I do have a blog.
And if anyone is interested in visiting, they just need to click on my little profile photo and fly on over and visit.
And I did find Colonel Russell's web address, Dan.
If you'd like me to give it to you now or send it to you, go ahead and send it in interesting time.
Sure.
Okay, and Ozone, go ahead and say your show, because I know you have a great conservative show.
Political intervention.
Normally, the times are unknown.
We're going to get a schedule down soon.
Hey, I'm starting to take your unknown schedule as well because, I mean, you know, Blog Talk Radio, BTR network, is probably, you know, one of the greatest networks out here so we can reach as many people as possible.
And at the same time, people have the opportunity to call in and that sort of thing.
You don't want to continue on that.
A lot of people are waking up now.
No, I'm going to crash out.
I mean, I've been up all night, so to speak, and there's no way I can continue on.
Dan, you want to go ahead and let everybody know the 411 on your end?
Sure.
We have a blog called the 800poundgrill.com and also Grill News Radio on the Blog Talk Radio Network Sunday nights, 7 p.m. Eastern.
And I strongly recommend everybody's show who is sitting on here debating on this open forum format.
And I wanted to thank everyone of you, Loon, Ozone, and Dan from Guerrilla News Radio for coming in and talking with me this evening.
I mean, it was about four hours worth of very good political discourse.
And I want to thank you all again.
And we're just going to continue this out until the last minute is over.
I just want to let everybody know you can get back to me on my MySpace.
Please add me to your friends list.
I'm new to MySpace, so myspace.com slash ghostpolitics.
And I'm going to leave the last minute to you guys, or you people, I should say.
So go ahead.
I think this was great to show people, and that's not why I called in by any stretch of the imagination, but I think it's great to show that people that are able to disagree on issues, were able to agree on some, disagree on others, and still have an adult conversation that doesn't deteriorate into a shouting match.
Absolutely.
Ozone?
Yep.
Absolutely.
That's what we need.
Everyone's shouting at each other, and it's just like balls hitting each other.
But if we come softly at each other, you might be able to get inside.
You said the magic word.
And gorilla.
You said balls.
Oh, my goodness.
You took the word right out of my mouth.
Oh, man.
And we're about out five, six, seven seconds later.
Thank you for tuning in.
Really appreciate it.
Bye-bye, guys.
Thank you, everybody, and have a good day.
Good night to all of you, or good morning to all of you, I should say.
Goodbye, ghost.
All right.
Take it easy.
Bye, Lune.
Goodbye.
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