Giants, Pyramids, the CIA’s Psychic Spies and The Ancient Civilizations More Advanced Than Ours
The people who run countries believe in the supernatural. It’s the main thing they believe in. Why do they try so hard to convince the rest of us it’s not real? AJ Gentile on giants, the pyramids and remote viewing.
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Chapters:
00:00 Why Does the Science Community Refuse to Admit When They’re Wrong?
04:10 What Do We Know About the Pyramids and Giants?
11:29 Why Would the U.S. Government Suppress the Truth About Giants?
17:55 How Were the Pyramids Built?
24:33 Has the Egyptian Government Covered up Information About Its Monuments?
28:27 Is There Physical Evidence of a Great Flood?
32:12 Ancient Civilizations and Their Advanced Technology
42:58 The Chambers Under the Great Pyramid of Giza and Ancient Egyptian Discoveries
51:46 The U.S. Government’s Knowledge and Use of Advanced Technology
1:04:45 What Is Remote Viewing? How Did the CIA Use It to Spy on the Soviets?
1:19:42 What Was Seen on the Apollo Mission and Did We Land on the Moon?
01:24:21 Does AJ Gentile Ever Feel Driven to Craziness By His Job?
And if you need a grant from the government, you need to put in that grant application what's going to get you paid, what's going to keep your research going, even if it's not exactly what you believe or even what the evidence shows.
Yes.
What I don't understand is the extreme hostility against alternate archaeology.
He was wrong about the Philosopher's Stone, but he got some stuff right.
But when someone like Graham Hancock, whose work I admire, I don't agree with all of it, but I admire his tenacity and persistence, to call him a racist was like.
That was when Ancient Apocalypse Season 1 came out.
He became, I forget, it was in a UK paper.
It was the most dangerous show on television because he was promoting white supremacy because these ancient civilizations had to be white, which he never says.
I thought it was the most interesting thing I've ever heard.
And huh?
That's amazing.
But why would you do that?
Why would you make up a slur like that to destroy someone who's studying some events that happened presumably thousands of years ago, the past, who's an archaeologist?
Like, we can't be certain of when they were built.
Some of them we can, but the pyramids are strange because it seems like the ones that were built earlier are more perfect than the later pyramids, which suggests that maybe, you know, certainly I subscribe to the theory that the Egyptians did not build like the pyramid, like Khufu.
I think they found that.
I think they found that and then tried to replicate it later on, couldn't quite get it right.
But there are strange things about the pyramid, like chemical residue at certain openings, shafts, that suggest maybe the pyramid had other uses that are really not acceptable to mainstream.
Throughout the history of the organization, we have records of them receiving bones of giants and artifacts that are kind of hard to explain.
We have records of them receiving it, but then they lose them or they deny ever having them.
And the Smithsonian, which is a government institution, is exempt from a lot of law.
Like not too long ago, a law was passed that if any museums are in possession of tribal like Native American artifacts, specifically funeral artifacts, they're to be returned to the tribes.
Okay, so a couple of things, but I just, I don't want this to slip by.
So you're referring to the claim that the Nephilim, as described in Genesis 6, this race of giant people who were a hybrid between the spirit world and the human world, and they're the reason that God sent the flood.
This is all described in Genesis.
They were giants.
They were great men of old, I think, is the phrase.
The claim for some people is that's actually real, and the fossil record proves it's real because giant bones, human bones, have been found through the years, and that some or a lot of them wound up with a Smithsonian where their existence was suppressed.
Yes.
And you're saying there's actually documentary evidence that that may be true.
Well, if you received human bones that were larger than any human bones ever described in literature ever, other than Genesis 6, kind of a big story, right?
And you see that story repeated over and over again, especially in America for hundreds of years.
Even Native tribes have stories about giants have having wars with giants, driving giants across the country to a famous one is the Lovelock Cave, which is in California.
These are the red-headed giants.
And red hair has been found in that cave and giant sandals and clothing that is enormous.
Well, I hate to say I don't know so many times, but I really don't.
You know, there's a famous story about Connected to Giants about G.E. Kincaid, who explored the Grand Canyon.
This is the early 1900s, I think, like 1908, 1909.
And his story ended up in the Arizona Gazette where he was kind of rowing down the Colorado River and he finds these steps that go into a hole in the side of the canyon and he goes and he explores it and he's kind of mapping it.
And inside he finds basically the remains of an ancient city, artifacts, a giant statue that kind of looks like Buddha, but not quite.
Hieroglyphics that kind of look Egyptian, but not quite.
And he comes out and he's putting together an expedition.
And when it's time to go back and explore, he never shows up.
And that story was in the papers.
What bothers me about that one, it's one of the mysteries that I really wish I knew, is that you can find that opening in the Grand Canyon and it's covered with an iron gate.
And above that area of the canyon is a no-go zone.
You cannot go there.
You can't walk there.
But some people have.
Some people have.
And you can see embedded into the top of the cliff there, iron hooks and equipment that would be used maybe to repel down the side of the cliff.
But when you do go there, suddenly white planes will appear.
And you can't fly over the Grand Canyon, but these white unmarked planes.
So I've never heard any of that before, but as a general matter, there's very clearly a coordinated long-standing effort by the U.S. government, specifically U.S. government, to bat away speculation about the past.
And there are plenty of passages in both Old and New Testament, and even in apocryphal works like Book of Enoch, we're describing angels, but describing them in a way that sound kind of like the birdman or sound almost like an alien entity.
I think it was maybe the book of Daniel describes a man who's glowing with Topaz.
And Elijah was taken up to heaven.
No one's allowed to mortally go to heaven, but he was taken and shown.
And Ezekiel talks all about visions of this futuristic city that he thought was going to be a new Temple of Solomon, but it sounds like a city.
The Vedic texts have very similar stories to these, where Arjuna goes up and sees the heavens and sees these flying vehicles that were called Vimana.
That Vimana are described in such detail that they describe the technology of how they worked with rotating Mercury and engineering specifications in texts that are the thousand BC.
But I think it's been mathematically shown that the amount of ramps and pulleys and equipment that you would need to build the pyramids would exceed the weight of the pyramids themselves.
I mean, how long does the ramp have to be to go up?
I mean, it just doesn't make any sense.
No one can really explain it.
And the precision of how these stones were cut, we can only barely match it now.
Well, rose granite is very special because it's highly piezoelectric, meaning if you apply pressure to it, it creates voltage.
So that's one of the theories about the pyramid is the grand gallery leading up to the king's chamber is lined with rose granite.
You don't see it anywhere else in the pyramid.
So that's highly conductive.
The exterior of the pyramid was covered in Torah limestone, which is an insulator.
So you have this structure that's almost designed like an electricity generator.
And then you have the queen's chamber and some other shafts where there's chemical residue that when combined create an enormous amount of hydrogen gas that then flows up through the grand gallery, expands, creates electricity with this rose granite, which ionizes the air.
And then at the time, there were these slats, 24 slats of wood that would create sound which would amplify.
And what's strange is leading from the Grand Gallery into the king's chamber is a small hole.
I forget what it was.
Maybe it's six, three by six.
It just happens to be the right size to be a wave guide for hydrogen atoms.
So those flow then into the king's chamber, and this resonates at a frequency.
I think it's 440 hertz.
It's like an F sharp.
And then above the king's chamber is a stone called a relieving stone.
And this is said to help relieve the pressure coming from the top of the pyramid.
The thing is, it doesn't connect to anything.
It's perfectly flat on the bottom, but it's chipped on the top, almost as if someone was tuning, chipping away almost like a tuning fork to get the right frequency.
Now, I'm not saying that's what it is.
I'm just saying there's a lot of science there that makes you wonder why go through all this trouble for a tomb.
So there's all these strange things about the pyramid that we just can't go.
We can't dig.
I don't know if you saw my episode on the labyrinth at Hawara, but that one really bothers me because that's an ancient legend that goes back to Herodotus and even before talked about this labyrinth in Hawara was about 50 miles from Cairo.
This labyrinth was enormous, 3,000 rooms.
And the priest said this was built by the ancients, the ancient kings.
Oh, you mean the Pharaohs?
And they said, no, no, the ones, the ones before from Zeptepi, which was the first time.
Well, the labyrinth was talked about by Herodotus, by Pliny, by Strabo, by all these famous historians.
It's there, it's there, it's there.
It's bustling.
And eventually it just sort of disappears from history and becomes a legend.
Well, it gets rediscovered in the early, like late 19th century.
But do you think the Egyptian government, which is the second largest recipient of U.S. aid, maybe that's related in some way, has actively covered up information about its monuments?
So what do you think, since we don't know anything, like the basic questions, if this were, we were writing a police report, we'd have to leave every line blank because we just don't know.
When was it built?
Who built it?
How did they build it?
Unknown, unknown, unknown.
So since you know a great deal about this topic, hypothesize for a minute.
I think the clearest evidence comes from maybe Robert Schock's work and John Anthony West and certainly Randall Carlson at the erosion patterns at the base of the Sphinx.
Which clearly shows water and a lot of it, a lot of water moving at high speed for a long time, which would indicate a great flood.
And I think all of these stories kind of go back to the one the story, which is the story of the great flood that probably connects to the end of the younger dryas, whether that's the Greenland impact theory or a solar event or whatever it is.
Something happened that caused worldwide floods and eroded that Sphinx, which means it was there 13,500 years ago or older.
Carlson's work is fascinating about the erosion patterns all across Africa that show the it.
If you look at it from high in the sky, it looks like these kind of just waves across the landscape, but these waves are 30 feet high.
So these are this is, three-story buildings, indicating an immense amount of water, millions and millions of gallons of water per second just rushing across the landscape.
It's and we see that across across Africa a desert.
Not as much I. You know I could be wrong about that, because because the ice sheets would have come from the North American continent.
So how they get to Africa, I'm not exactly sure, but we certainly have evidence of the glaciers moving and and retreating very quickly in the United States.
I mean, that's how Long Island was made, and other parts, of course.
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There was even a British scientist who allegedly filmed this where Buddhists would sing and play instruments at a certain frequency that would cause objects to levitate.
And that's part of the legend of how these megaliths were built was some type of sound waves allowed them to lift these objects and place them perfectly into place.
There's nothing even go to the New York Public Library or whatever granite building you think is impressive, and it's nothing compared to these stones.
And you can, you can pick up the mortar between those bricks and they're kind of, it's kind of slipshod compared to the things that were, you know, made thousands of years ago.
And Plato described in the dialogues for Plato, dialogues just he plays characters is what I used to call that.
So in, I think it's Cretaeus, he talks about hearing the story from Solon, who was like his great-great-great uncle, who heard a story from an Egyptian priest about this ancient land beyond the arms of Hercules, which people think is probably the rock of Gibraltar.
And it's a large continent larger than India.
And it's populated by advanced people.
And there's a cataclysm, and it goes underwater.
And he describes concentric rings and waterways and all this technology, if you want to call it that.
And what's interesting about Atlantis, and a lot of people don't talk about this, is in Cretaeus II, which is Plato's telling of it, he's writing about Atlantis and he stops mid-sentence.
And that's the end of it.
There's no more.
There's no more writing about Atlantis.
So that's the earliest story we have of it.
And there are strange structures around the world that could indicate maybe Atlantis.
The Eye of the Sahara is a very interesting structure.
We've established that our view of the prehistory is completely just wrong because the physical remains of these civilizations prove our theory's wrong.
It just couldn't happen.
We know that world governments, not simply ours, but others, Japanese in this case, seem to be very committed to stopping questions about this, halting curiosity, shaming people, maybe worse.
So is it fair to say that there were civilizations as, in some ways, as advanced as ours tens of thousands of years ago?
I'd like to, but I can't make that leap because I feel like there would be evidence of that.
And I think this is where Graham Hancock gets criticized unfairly because he's never said that there's been, you know, Atlanteans with flying ships or anything like that.
All he said is we may have been more advanced than we've been led to believe and it deserves some more explanation.
You know, there's been legends about the chambers under the Sphinx that go back a long time.
And, you know, if you want to get very woo-woo about it, there's been psychics who've explored that.
Someone like Edgar Casey was a famous psychic who said that's where the Hall of Records is stored, which is interesting because that connects back to the labyrinth as well, which is, which some people think could be the actual Hall of Records.
But I mean, I'll tell you a very strange story about Dorothy Eady if you have a moment.
Dorothy Edie was, she's born early 1900s in England.
She's a troubled child.
She's unhappy all the time.
She's taken to the British Museum when she's three or four years old, and they go to the Egyptian section.
She suddenly lights up and she runs over to the mummy of, I think it's Ramses, and she says, I know him.
And they think she's a wacky kid.
She's still kind of despondent.
She gets a book from her dad about ancient Egypt and she's going through it and she says she recognizes all these places, Temple of Seti and Abydos, all these things.
And she starts studying at the British Museum.
And for some reason, she takes the hieroglyphics very, very quickly and ancient languages very, very quickly.
She claims that she's a reincarnated Egyptian priestess that worked and lived in Abydos, you know, thousands of years during the fourth dynasty, something like that.
She eventually goes over to Egypt and she shows up and she's, she says, I'm a reincarnated Egyptian princess.
Of course you are.
She's, I can prove it.
They take her to these tombs or underground chambers and they say, all right, show us around.
And she says, let's go.
And she says, this is where the gardens were.
This is where the fountain was.
This is where this was.
And she's so good at this that the Egyptian authorities take her on staff with antiquities.
And she's able to describe and detail all of these ancient places that nobody knows anything about.
This is a reincarnation story, yet she is embedded in the scientific community.
She is invaluable to Egyptian research, so much so that at that time, you were forced to retire at age 65.
And this is a woman, by the way, working in the 50s and 60s in Egypt.
She's allowed to stay on until she wants to retire because she's invaluable to the research.
She says that underneath the Sphinx is where we're going to find all sorts of tombs and artifacts of Nefertiti and all these famous people.
She says they're down there.
I don't know, but her story is very compelling to us.
Well, we can start with, there was someone, there's a man named Charles Pogue, who in the 30s tinkered with his carburetor and was able to get 200 miles a gallon.
It was proven.
It was engineers, investigated, scientists.
It's totally proven.
It worked.
He was going to be a bazillionaire or whatever.
He's going to transform society.
And the problem was once the news of his engine got out, the oil stocks crashed.
They just crashed.
So the oil industry lobbied the U.S. government.
We have to do something about this.
And in 1951, the Invention Secrecy Act was passed.
So now, if you patent any device that is more than 20% efficient, that's instantly classified.
And you can't sell it unless you sell it to the U.S. military.
You cannot do it.
That went on for a while.
And there was a man named Tom Ogle.
And Tom is the seven, this is the 70s now.
He accidentally rewires his lawnmower engine to take the exhaust and pump it back into the carburetor.
And this thing runs on a gallon of gas for 78 hours or something like that.
So he reconfigures his car.
It's like a 1976 Ford Galaxy, you know, like a boat.
And he's getting 200 miles to the gallon on the thing.
He's offered a billion dollars from an oil-producing country.
Shell Oil offers him $25 million for the patent that he considers, but they're going to shelve it.
So he says no.
It's considered maybe one of the biggest inventions of the century.
Suddenly, Tom, without a history of drug abuse, stumbles out of a bar.
He's drunk and he's killed.
And that's the end of Tom Ogle's story.
And that all disappears.
All that research goes away.
And this repeats over and over and over again until we get to Stanley Meyer.
And you might remember Stanley Meyer and the water car because this is the 1990s now.
So now we have a vehicle that doesn't even, we're not even talking about fossil fuels and protecting a multi-trillion dollar industry.
We've got a car that runs on water using electrolysis, which has been around since the 1700s.
But electrolysis requires a lot of energy and perfect water without impurities.
But Stanley's figured out how to take tap water, put it into his car, and run his car on water.
And what it does is splits the water into hydrogen.
Oxygen runs on hydrogen.
Hydrogen is a fuel.
It works.
And it works.
And he drives it all over the place.
It's all over the news.
Engineers look at it.
They say, this is the invention of the century.
This changes everything.
He's offered a billion dollars and millions of dollars.
And everyone wants his engine.
And he's sitting at, I think he was sitting at a cracker barrel with his brother and some investors.
And they raise a glass to toast the new investment and go into the future.
And they take their toast.
And Stanley suddenly doesn't feel well.
He runs outside.
He starts vomiting.
His brother chases after him and says, What's going on?
And Stanley says, They poisoned me.
And he dies.
And in the medical examiner's report, it says he died of an aneurysm.
But if you read the report, you can tell the medical examiner didn't really like that because he wrote some other stuff.
Like, oh, he said he was poisoned, but toxicology doesn't really show it.
But it says he died of an aneurysm.
And that technology is now gone.
The patent's useless because Stanley faked the numbers because he didn't trust the government because he had another invention that most people don't know about before his water car, which was this toroid ring.
A toroid is a donut, this donut-shaped ring that he invented that created energy out of nothing and levitated.
But he patented it.
It got and got hit with the Secrecy Act and they made his life miserable.
But people started to learn about that.
And that brings us, there are other inventors in between Townsend Brown invents this anti-gravity technology.
He runs into all kinds of bad luck.
All these men have their research stolen.
They're broken into.
They're carrying guns.
They're threatened.
They're disappearing.
It happens over and over and over again.
I have an episode on this.
It's very sad.
And we get to Floyd Sweet, Floyd Sparky Suite, who's my favorite because his inventions, he videotaped all his stuff.
And you see him in his workshop.
And Sparky, he's an engineer.
He's a garage tinkerer, but he's an engineer.
And this was supervised by the military physicist.
Maybe it was a mistake.
And you see him running a fan at high RPMs.
And then he's got light bulbs, all of this energy, and it's all running off this little box the size of a deck of cards.
And he puts in 0.03 milliwatts and he gets out all the watts you want.
It's a device that no matter what you attach to it, it just, whatever the need is, it will give you the energy.
This is Sparky Suite.
This actually connects to UFO technology.
I don't know if we'll go there, but it does connect.
So Sparky's got this invention.
He gets some help from military physicist.
Gets a visit late one night to men in suits.
Come talk to him, say goodnight.
He has a heart attack.
Ambulance comes.
They grab Sparky.
The wife is not allowed in the ambulance.
He dies.
Soon after, a couple of black vans pull up.
They take all his stuff, all his notes, every piece of equipment, and it just disappears.
So there was a kind of tantalizing, almost kind of shocking admission the other day from the U.S. government that during the Maduro snatch operation in Caracas on January 3rd, that the U.S. military used, apparently used directed energy weapons.
I don't know that anyone's ever said out loud.
I don't know if they said it out loud, but it was, I mean, it was obvious that's what it was.
With Tesla, he had a few different versions about ionizing air and projecting electricity through the air.
He had a few different ways of doing it.
And I don't have the science background to explain specifically what it is, but directed energy is just that.
You take energy like a laser would be a directed energy, but using it as a weapon.
And Tesla was working on that technology, but what he wanted to do was create free energy for the world, which turned out to be a problem for him.
And that's another story.
But when he died, so he died, I think it was January 7th, 1943.
The FBI was there.
They were like on top of it.
They came way too fast.
And all his research, 60, 80 boxes were confiscated by the Office of Alien Property, which has nothing to do with extraterrestrials.
It's about office of alien property because he's not a U.S.-born, so they come and take his research.
Although he was a citizen since, I don't know, the 1800s.
He'd been a citizen 50 years.
So they seized his property and they sent it to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base for a scientist named John Trump to investigate Tesla's research, specifically looking...
And just for interest's sake, John Trump, the uncle of the current president, longtime MIT professor, is there any evidence that he worked on the OAP question?
Remote viewing started, it probably started at the beginning of the human race, but remote viewing that we're talking about started 1972, Stanford Research Institute.
Russell Targ and Halputoff, physicists, scientists, were just studying psychic phenomenon.
Just, you know, here's a shape on a card, you know, that's seen at the beginning of Ghostbusters.
Is it a star?
Is it a circle?
They're doing that sort of thing.
And a man walks in.
His name is Ingo Swan.
He's become a very famous psychic.
And at this point, Targan put off essentially advertising on campus.
Psychics wanted.
So he walks in and says, I'm the best psychic in the world.
So they give him a card to read.
And he says, give me something hard to do.
And I'm like, well, like, what?
Send somebody out in the San Francisco Bay Area and I'll tell you where they are and what they see.
It's like, okay, we'll do that.
So they send somebody out and he just starts to kind of focus and concentrate and he starts to draw.
You know, I see what I see a water fountain, but it's but there's no water in it.
I see these circles on the ground.
I see a building.
And it turns out they got it all right.
They described the pattern of the walkway.
There was a fountain there that was not on that particular day.
The building was exactly where they said it was.
Then they realized, okay, we have something, something different here than a shape on a card.
They said, well, Ingo, where can you go?
And he said, I can go anywhere, like anywhere, like anywhere in space and time.
I have a whole episode of Ingo remote viewing the moon, but let's stick with this for now.
So they test Ingo Swan a few times.
Yuri Geller was another one they tested who was able to see things inside safes.
And there are a few other psychics.
Pat Price is my personal favorite.
Joe McMonacle is a very famous one.
But what got CIA's attention was in SR at Stanford, buried deep underground was a magnetometer.
And this was used to measure perturberations in the Earth's crust to detect nuclear explosions.
So this is an important device.
It's buried underground, shielded by cement, superconducting, shielding.
Like you can't, you can't get to it.
Ingo is able to draw what it looks like.
And he says, I could even move that needle.
I said, go for it.
So he moves the needle.
Now, they're excited.
The experiment works, but that needle moving means a nuclear explosion has been off somewhere.
So the CIA government gets involved.
They want to, what's going on?
It's not a nuclear explosion.
Oh, we're doing this program.
And they say, you're doing what?
And they're not really, they don't really care that he can move a needle.
They're worried about he can see inside behind cement.
And that means there's no more secrets.
So the CIA starts funding this project through various front companies.
And all intelligence agencies want to get involved with this.
It comes kind of comes to a peak.
This is before Pat gets involved, but it's an interesting story.
It's called the Sugar Grove Break-In.
There's a CIA analyst, there's a bunch of CIA people there.
CIA analyst says, here are coordinates they give to Ingo Swamp.
Nobody knows what the coordinates are.
The analysts won't tell.
Nobody, the handlers won't tell.
Nobody knows.
Here are the coordinates.
And Ingo does his thing and he says, I see a guard house.
There's a radar, giant radar dish.
And there's building, it looks like a military.
There's accordion, roll-up doors.
There's jeeps.
It's military.
It's some type of military installation.
He draws it.
The mountains are here.
The road's here.
There's the river.
Detailed map.
He says, that's what I saw.
And they give to the analysts, say, here, is this it?
And the guy's like, it's not even close.
I gave you the coordinates of my vacation house in West Virginia.
Then they were like, oh, shit.
Okay.
So that didn't work.
But Pat Price comes along.
And Pat Price, maybe the most talented psychic ever.
He remote remote views the same location.
He sees the same things without knowing anything what Ingo saw.
You look at the maps.
They're almost identical.
Radar dish, guard tower, roll-up doors.
But Pat is very talented.
He says, I see a building.
I'm going into the building.
And let me back up for a second.
Pat Price, retired police officer from Burbank, always had an intuition to solve crimes.
Where's the body?
Price knows.
Where's the suspect hiding?
Price knows.
He just thought he had a hunch, but he retired and started to develop this skill and heard about this program and got involved.
So that's Pat Price.
So he sees the same things.
So now that's clearly not a coincidence.
So this is not a log cabin vacation home.
What's going on there?
So SRI sends someone to the coordinates.
They find the vacation had they found the log cabin.
And they're like, but there's a dirt road here about 200 feet.
We'll follow the road.
And they follow the road down just over the ridge in West Virginia and Sugar Grove.
And there's the guardhouse.
It's a military installation.
And they can't enter.
They can see there's a radar dish.
The problem was Pat Price went into the building.
He said, I see green filing cabinets.
All right, Pat, what else?
It says Operation Pool.
Okay.
He said, I'm going through the folders.
Cue ball, Q-Stick, Rackup, 8-ball.
It's very specific.
It turns out that caused every law enforcement agency in the country to show up at SRI.
And they wanted to know why this weird CIA pet project was spying on the most secret NSA facility in the world.
Not just secret, but so top secret that even the names of the projects, which were Q-Ball, Rackup, all this, were top, top secret.
This is a facility to spy on Russian satellites.
Nobody knew it was there.
The CIA analysts didn't know it was there.
So Ingo and Pat just, their consciousness, they just assumed, well, they don't care about the log cabin.
It's the CIA.
They obviously want us to look at this.
So from then on, every intelligence agency had psychics working, all of them.
None of them admitted to it, but they all had psychics working for them.
This operation, I think, was leaked by Jimmy Carter in 96, who was giving a talk at a college.
And some kid asked him, like, what's the weirdest thing that ever happened when you were president?
And he said, you know, in his farmer voice, you know, we had this Russian bomber go down in Africa, and we needed to get there before the Soviets.
We didn't know how to do that, but we knew we had this group of like psychics that could see stuff and they were helping solve because they were involved with the Patty Hurst kidnapping.
They helped find that.
But that's not why they reported, but it happened.
So they had a remote viewer who was really just like a receptionist that they trained to do this.
So this is an ability that we can all do.
She found where that bomber went down.
And the American military was able to get there before the Russians and retrieve this bomber.
This is all documented.
And Carter just kind of let that slip.
And that was sort of the end of the public knowing about the whole reveal.
It kind of was.
It was called Project Stargate at this time, but it was originally Project Scan8 and Grill Flame and Center Lane and some other names like that.
Project Stargate is the one that everybody knows.
So they test Pat Price again.
And they say, you know, rather than spy on ourselves, let's see what he can see on the Soviet side.
And Pat draws this.
He says, I see a science fiction crane and he draws it out.
It's a big gantry crane, which is like, I don't know, 100-foot-tall crane that sits on railroad tracks.
It's a huge thing.
And he draws it and shows it to the CIA.
And they can't believe it, but it matches aerial photography.
So he sees it.
So now they want to know what is this thing.
He says, I don't know what it is, but underground are these 60-foot metal spheres, but they don't work.
Nobody knows what they are.
It later comes out that they weren't 60-foot spheres, they were 58 feet, and they were containment for nuclear, nuclear material, but they didn't work.
So he saw that.
That was Pat Price.
CIA is so impressed with his work that they say, you just come and work for us.
So they pulled him out of SRI, and he's exclusively working for CIA at that point.
He's doing some of his own remote viewing kind of on the side, some not espionage.
He's looking around.
And his most famous one is he remote viewed Mount Hayes, Mount Hayes in Alaska, and he sends his consciousness into the mountain and he sees inside the mountain tall, thin alien beings working alongside American military.
He sees it inside the mountain.
Now, people have gone up there.
There's no way in.
There's no way out.
I can't prove any of it, but this is what he saw.
So he takes that information, he gives it to Halputoff.
Hal's no longer with Stargate at this point.
I think it's run by Skip Atwater.
Could be wrong, but I think it was Skip.
Gives it the Skip and Skip passes it along.
Just a couple of days later, Pat is in Las Vegas and he's in the hotel lobby, front of the elevators, heads up to his room.
Someone bumps into him and he feels like a pinch, a pinch on his leg.
Goes upstairs, calls his wife to say goodnight.
She says, You don't sound good.
He says, I don't feel well.
He says, say goodnight.
And he's found dead the next morning.
58 years old.
They called it a heart attack, but no autopsy is done.
Someone comes in with credentials.
And they say, we'll take it from here.
Pat's body is cremated.
And then they call his wife and say what happened.
And Pat's now buried in an unmarked grave in North Hollywood, which you can find if you want to pay your respects.
If that's where Pat is.
Pat Price, probably the most talented that there was.
Joe McMonagall is famous.
He's still around, by the way, still remote viewing.
He's the one who found a large building like 100 yards from water in the Soviet Union and didn't know what they were building in there.
He starts sketching a submarine.
Like, all right, they're building a sub.
And he says, no, this is different.
It's got like, it's like two subs together.
It's like a twin sub.
They're like, what are you talking about?
It's a twin-hull sub.
He said, it's it's giant.
He said, I've never seen anything this big.
And they're going to launch it in 120 days.
That's kind of specific.
And 118 days later, the Russian Typhoon-class sub is launched, and it's the largest submarine ever made.
And it's a twin-hulled sub.
And Joe saw that.
Now, he claims his success rate is like 90, 95%.
CIA says it's lower than that, but he saw that.
And Joe McMonagall, he's received the Order of Merit, which I think is the second highest award you can get as a from, I think it's the second highest as a civilian from the military.
And in his citations, for 200 successful missions, 150 of which provided vital intelligence to American operations, but it doesn't say anything more than that.
But that's in his official citation.
Now, all this kind of comes out, and I think Gates was, I think Gates was DCI at this point.
He goes on TV and says, there's nothing to this Stargate thing.
No real intelligence has come from it.
And we're shutting it down.
And that was kind of the last that happened with Stargate.
And I think you can go crazy because I've pushed to the edge of it myself trying to figure out what's right, what's true, what actually happened, what reality is.
But I think it's unattainable on certain stories.
This may be one of them.
I will say we accidentally taped over the original footage because we ran out of Betamax.
If it, if it was faked, of course, can't prove that.
Then it's just one more instance of the U.S. government having to backfill, you know, a 57-year-old lie.
And it's done that a lot.
It certainly did it with the murder of John F. Kennedy.
And it's just, you know, you tell a lie and it just kind of doesn't go away because you have to continually make up new lies in order to cover the UR lie, the original lie.
That's the struggle with the moon landing question, I think, because it wasn't a gotcha question because when I'm asked that all the time and I do the same thing, I kind of go, uh, A, I wish you didn't ask me that.
B, I'm not sure.
I think we did.
I think something was found up there, which is why we didn't go back.
And for me, it all hinges on Edgar Mitchell because I trust, I trust and believe him.
And if he says he walked in the moon, then I believe him.
But I think something was found up there that maybe the government didn't want us to fucking.
So jaded, disappointed, angry, but not bitter, not bitter.
I end my episodes really never with despair, never really with hope.
It's more about try to when you're told things, just think closely.
I try to help people to, not what to think, but how to think.
Don't trust everything that you, that you, that comes out of the media, whether you're on the right or the left, that really, that's all kind of a puppet show.
It's really about people versus power.
And anything that the powerful tell you, don't trust it.