Tucker Carlson and Piers Morgan clash over Britain’s decline, with Carlson blaming cultural self-destruction—40% abortion rates, 100% to 40% white population shifts in London since the early 1900s—and "great replacement" via mass migration, while Morgan cites poor leadership and woke ideology. They spar over free speech, comparing Britain’s arrests for slurs like "faggot" to Putin’s Russia, and debate whether declining birth rates stem from economic pressures or gender ideology. Carlson frames it as a Western "mass suicide," while Morgan defends multiculturalism’s benefits, though both agree borders must tighten—ending with a jab at Dancing with the Stars. [Automatically generated summary]
Whatever happened to Britain or the UK or England or whatever they're calling it, we can't even agree on what it's called, but England, the England that if you're over 50, you grew up learning about, the England that controlled the world, the England that ran the largest empire in human history.
At the end of World War I, Britain, which is an island in a pretty unhospitable climate, controlled literally a quarter of the Earth's surface and not controlled in the way the United States controls the rest of the world with an implied threat or with economic ties through trade,
but actually controlled with administrators and people sitting at desks with eyeshades counting things, like actually controlled a quarter of the Earth's surface, way more than Rome, way more than the Mongols, way more than anybody ever, or maybe in the future, ever.
Britain was the most powerful country in the history of the world.
And then 25 years later, it was this kind of sad, soggy welfare state, which is to some extent what it still is, except maybe even a little bit worse.
What happened?
Well, there are a couple of levels on which to think about this.
First is just geopolitical.
And I guess they spent a lot of money in these wars and the ruling, you know, half the class of Eaton 1910 was killed in the trenches or whatever.
You can think of a lot of different ways to explain what happened to Britain.
The fact remains, however, they won the two biggest wars in human history.
They won, and yet they're still greatly diminished and to some extent humiliated.
It's like, what is that?
So, again, the first can be described, the first explanation can be described in economic terms.
Well, the United States took over.
The British Empire just moved west to its child, the U.S.
They just transferred the power and a lot of the gold to this new country, which had its systems and some of its customs.
Okay.
But there's something kind of deeper, actually.
If that were the whole story, then Britain would still be recognizably Britain.
The English people would still be recognizably English.
They would just be not in charge anymore.
They would have less money and less power, but the country would be, by any conventional measurement, thriving, just not running the Bahamas and Hong Kong, you know, Pakistan.
But that's not what's happened, actually.
After winning the two biggest wars in human history, Britain has shrunken, not just physically, but in some way that's hard to describe.
Its culture has changed.
Some might say has been destroyed and it's become something completely different.
Well, it matters because what's happened to Britain, to England, is also happening to many countries in the West.
Certainly its heirs, the Anglosphere, and that specifically would be Australia, New Zealand, the United States, Canada, Ireland.
It's happening to those countries, but it's also happening to the rest of Western Europe all at the same time.
A bunch of different profound, never seen before phenomenon are happening to all of those countries.
And again, including ours here in the United States.
So it's worth understanding what has happened to Britain.
So maybe the best image that describes it is the one that we're about to show you.
And in case there's no context in the tape, what you're watching is a woman being arrested outside of an abortion clinic.
Keep in mind as you watch this, she's not being arrested for throwing a firebomb, a petrol bomb through the window of this abortion clinic in the UK, or even for obstructing access to this abortion clinic.
No, she's being arrested and taken to jail for praying outside the abortion clinic.
Watch this.
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Before I ask you any questions about what's going on today, I have to caution you, which is just your rights, which is you do not have to say anything.
It may harm your defense if you do not mention one question.
Something which you later on in court, maybe we do certainly give you an understanding.
So I'll ask you once more: will you voluntarily come with us now to the police station for me to ask you some questions about today and other days where there are allegations that you've broken spaces protection rules?
If I've got a choice, then no.
Okay, well, then you're under arrest on suspicion of failing to comply with the public spaces protection order.
It's hard to argue that if your government is arresting people for praying, that you're watching a political phenomenon.
Because, of course, praying is not simply a nonviolent act.
It's not even a physical act.
It can't possibly, at least in secular terms, affect outcomes or harm anyone.
Praying for people can never be a crime, but it is a crime in Great Britain, literally a crime.
And the woman you saw is not the only person who's been arrested for doing it.
So clearly, we're watching a spiritual phenomenon here.
I mean, there's sort of no arguing it once you see things like that.
But what is that spiritual phenomenon and what are its effects on the people of this country?
And before we go farther, we should just say that if you visit the UK, as it's now called, or London, its capital and completely dominant city, the first thing you'll notice is it's actually pretty nice.
London is the nice parts of London are as nice or maybe even nicer than any city in the United States, certainly nicer than any city in Canada or Australia.
Much nicer, actually.
It's a great city filled with lots of happy people.
But broadly speaking, this country has changed really, really dramatically, and it's changed in ways that are recognizable.
And here's what you recognize: the people of Great Britain are going through a series of crises, and they're all internal.
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Drug use, alcohol use, their appearance has changed.
People are no longer as well kept.
The streets, the landscape is not tidy anymore.
It's got lots of litter and graffiti in some places.
And to technocrats, these are not meaningful measures of anything.
Who cares if you've got graffiti?
Does that affect GDP?
Well, maybe, maybe not, but it's definitely a reflection of how people feel about themselves.
People with self-respect do not tolerate public displays of disorder or filth or graffiti or litter because they care about themselves and their family.
And they understand intuitively, as every human being does, that once you allow chaos and filth in your immediate environment, you are diminished.
So you just don't allow that.
And no healthy society does.
But all through the West, these are not just features, they're defining features.
All Western cities are filled with litter and graffiti and people who look like they didn't bother to get dressed this morning, but are instead wearing their pajamas in Walmart.
It's not just in your town, it's everywhere in what we refer to as the West.
The point that underlies all of this is a really obvious one that too few people say.
This is the behavior of a defeated people.
This is what it looks like when you lose.
This is what it looks like when you're on your way out to be replaced by somebody else.
This is what it looks like to be an American Indian.
Now, one thing nobody in the United States ever says about the American Indians, except in the kind of pro-forma white guilt way, is these weren't just impressive people.
And no, they didn't write the Constitution before we did.
These were some of the most impressive people, most self-reliant, most dignified read any account of early American settlers, people who are pushing West, who came into contact with Indians.
And yes, were often scalped and forced to treat their own genitals and roasted over open fires.
I mean, these were cruel people.
But even the people who were in danger of being murdered by them respected them because the indigenous Americans had a great deal of self-respect.
They had what we call dignity.
And now, hundreds of years later, the opposite is true.
The poorest people in the United States are American Indians.
Why?
Because the federal government hasn't given them enough.
The federal government is completely in charge of the indigenous economy in the United States and has been for over 100 years.
And it hasn't worked.
American Indians are still the poorest.
Why?
Because the Iroquois and the Navajo weren't impressive.
No, they were the most impressive.
Again, read the account of anyone who dealt with them.
Even people who are dodging their arrows thought they were amazing people because they were.
And now they are, by many measures, the saddest people in the United States.
Why is that?
Some inherent genetic predisposition to patheticness?
They couldn't deal with modernity?
Well, they probably could.
They were defeated.
They were defeated.
And in some deep, the deepest way, they wound up destroying themselves.
And it's not unique to them.
That's the point.
And just to be completely clear, all of this is observed with a great deal of sympathy, not scorn.
No one's mocking the American Indians.
Everyone should feel bad about it for real.
Again, not in a silly white girl guilty way, but in a real way.
These are amazing people, greatly diminished.
And the reason it's worth remembering is the same thing is happening to the West.
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And it makes you realize, especially if you travel a lot, that the problem is not necessarily the immigrants.
The problem is what mass migration does to the people who already live there.
They're the victims of it in a way that, again, is hard to measure and sometimes hard to notice, but totally real.
So you walk through this city, London, and it's been completely transformed by immigration completely.
And the immigrant areas are absolutely poorer than the traditionally white English areas.
Absolutely.
There's just no question about it.
But wealth as measured by the government is not the only measurement.
Actually, and this is true in the United States too, lots of immigrants who have a lot less money than the native population seem a lot more balanced and happy, both because this is a huge upgrade for them, just in terms of like annual income and standard of living, but it's more than that.
They're not defeated.
They don't hate themselves.
And if you have traditional nationalist opinions in the United States, I can confirm this personally, you're never going to be stopped on the street and screamed at by some Guatemalan who's like, you are racist for having your views on immigration.
No, they'll probably agree with you, actually.
The only people who ever get mad at you are the people who already hate themselves.
And that's always famously some private equity wife or somebody who should be happy about how things are going because they're in the portion of the population that's benefiting from it, but they're not happy.
They're angry.
What is that?
That exact same thing is going on in this country.
Exact.
And it's part of a very recognizable syndrome and it's the most destructive of all.
History is just filled with examples of people who get invaded and clubbed to death and have their women stolen from them.
And they're fine.
They're fine.
It's the people who feel defeated inside who no longer exist.
And that is happening to the West.
And it's measurable.
What other society hates its own national symbols?
It's only happening in the West, only in Great Britain.
This is coming to be true in the United States.
It's already true in Canada and Australia.
What other country finds it embarrassing to fly their national flag?
What are you saying if that embarrasses you?
You don't hate the flag.
You hate yourself.
And it's obvious because people who have dignity, self-respect, who believe in their own civilization want to continue it.
How do you do that?
By talking about it a lot?
No.
By continuing it through reproduction.
No one is preventing the West from reproducing.
And people have come up with these conspiracy theories like, oh, they're doing it.
No, we're doing it to ourselves.
What else is abortion?
It's not empowering for women.
Of course not.
That's absurd.
Anyone who believes that is an idiot.
Abortion is the way to stop people from reproducing.
So is birth control, by the way.
Of course.
So is convincing people that their dumb job is more important than having kids.
It's not.
It never will be.
Any person who can get clarity for a second will recognize that.
It's only about stopping you from having more of you.
And is there anything that's a clearer, crystal clear representation of how you feel about yourself than how you feel about having kids?
And by the way, it's not just because they're selfish and they want to go on vacation and don't want to pay for children or they're worried about how much it might cost.
Notice that none of these impoverished immigrants living on SNAP and housing subsidies, they don't seem worried about it at all because they know it'll be fine.
And it's happening not because unseen hands are orchestrating it, though they are, but because the native peoples of all these countries are participating in it enthusiastically and then enforcing its rules against anyone who questions it.
So in Great Britain, if you were to say, wait, what the hell is this?
This looks nothing like the country I grew up in.
Guess who's going to arrest you?
Your fellow Britons, the ones whose great-grandparents lived here, the whites.
They're the ones enforcing this.
They're the ones totally determined to eliminate themselves.
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So it's with these questions in mind that we decided to sit down with Piers Morgan.
Piers Morgan is somewhat known for a long time, cable news host.
Had a debate with him last year, ran into him in an elevator in the Middle East and decided to sit down and had a really spirited and interesting conversation with him in which I attacked his country with the fury of someone who secretly loves the country and hates what it's become.
And so we're back here in his hometown and decided to have this conversation.
And it follows in just a second.
But before it begins, just want to be super clear about something.
Piers Morgan is clearly wedded, has decided to remain wedded to the neoliberal version of the world where you're not allowed to say certain things and you have to repeat certain pieties and it's all pretty embarrassing, obviously.
But in fairness, Piers Morgan has single-handedly done more for free speech, which is disappearing in Great Britain than any other Britain.
He has done more for free speech than any other person in this entire country.
I just want to say this out loud because it's absolutely true.
And he's done it the old-fashioned way by allowing other people onto his platform, onto his show to debate people who have no other venue to say what they think.
And you may disagree with 50%, agree with the other 50%.
It doesn't even matter.
That debate, the real debate about issues that really matter that nobody else in this country is allowed to talk about are taking place at scale on Piers Morgan's show.
So if you watch this and you think Piers Morgan has no idea what side is up, why is he defending the indefensible?
Keep in mind that here, and this is an authoritarian country where disagreement is no longer allowed.
You go to jail for it.
By the thousands, people go to jail for it every year.
He alone is keeping it open.
So God bless Piers Morgan.
With that, here's Piers Morgan.
Piers, thanks for doing this.
Welcome.
Taking time.
I moved to my city, which I've been so mean to, including in a conversation with you last winter in the Middle East, I'm attacking Great Britain.
And I just, I just want to apologize and tell you the truth about how I feel, which is I think that English culture and civilization is the highest level ever achieved by man in history.
I really believe that.
Everything about it, it's religion, it's language, it's literature.
American society has never produced literature.
I'm embarrassed to say, like what the Brits produced.
And so it was out of sadness and frustration and a sense of connection to your civilization that I went on the rant about how much I hate it.
But it was, it was, it was hate born of frustrated love and consciousness.
I would say it's not as bad as many Americans think it is.
And it's not as good as many people here when they launch impassioned defenses of our country and our culture and the way things have gone.
Would like to pretend it is.
It's kind of somewhere in the middle.
There's definitely been a significant change in the fabric of the country, in the makeup of the country, in the types of people who've come here, the volume of people who've come here.
That's obviously had an effect on what this country is.
Now, the debate to be had is whether this has been in totality a force for good or bad.
And I took your views, your strident views about it when we met in Saudi.
And I pushed back quite hard because I live here half of the year at least, most of that time in London.
It's always been a very multicultural city.
There's no doubt about that.
And I don't walk the streets as Tommy Robinson would live.
But you know, the way Tommy Robinson, who has a big following in America, the way he talks about it is not something I recognize.
Having said that, as I've always said about him, there are issues that he's raised which are perfectly legitimate.
The biggest one is population.
You know, in the 50s, we had a population of just under 50 million people.
And a lot of the infrastructure, like the National Health Service, the NHS, once lauded as the greatest health system in the world, now has to do with a population of nearly 70 million.
That is a dramatic increase in the volume of people in this country.
And the simple truth right now is our public services are creaking at the seams.
And in some cases, like the NHS, pretty well at breaking point.
And that is why there is so much agitation about the simultaneous ongoing issues with immigration, both illegal, with this ridiculous farce of these small boats popping up on the south coast from the channel from France all the time.
When the weather's good, they just stream in hundreds, sometimes thousands a week, illegally into the country.
But also legal migration and how we've abjectly mishandled that since really the turn of a century.
You can chart it back to the Tony Blair years when they pretty well opened the gates to everyone in Eastern Europe.
Way too many people came in way too fast.
And then after that, there's just been a complete lack of any form of control.
And we now have a situation where they've had to try and put the brakes on legal migration coming in because two years ago, we had a net migration in this country of nearly a million people.
Now, it's not racist, as some people have tried to brand it, to say that that is alarming.
A country like ours, if you don't have an effective border, if you have 50,000, 60,000 people a year coming in as they are illegally on these boats, and then you have a net migration of legal migrants coming in of nearly a million people, the already crumbling infrastructure is going to come under obviously enormously higher pressure.
So it's been a series of governments, left and right, I have to say, starting with the Blair government, with what they did with Eastern Europe, and then coming forward to successive Conservative governments and now the current Labour government, all of whom, in my opinion, have handled this so badly that inevitably we now have a lot of people in the country going, what the hell is going on?
But the health outcomes were never better than the United States.
It didn't actually work.
But whatever, you could argue, but that- But it's the cost of it.
But what's so sad is that for your whole life, you've been told that what is Britain?
What is this project about?
It's about the National Health Service.
That's kind of aiming a little low.
Like, who cares about some bureaucratic structure?
What about England?
What about the culture?
Like, so in my mind, as a PG Woodhouse reader lifelong, self-restraint, duty, courage, patriotism rooted in your religious faith, our Lord the King, a phrase that was common until recently.
But moving off from hate and getting back to the world I live in, which is fear and distrust and gut-level loathing, it's the secular people who are the problem.
I've never had an argument with a Muslim, with an actual Muslim.
What wouldn't have happened in the 60s and 70s with NHS is what happened to both my parents recently.
So my mother had a heart attack and ended up being put on a trolley in an accident and emergency unit, but out on the corridor with 30 other people on trolleys.
And she got hardly any treatment at all while she was there.
Now, when she eventually got up, and this is the apex of the NHS for me laid bare, when she eventually got into the heart unit, she got incredible treatment on the NHS, didn't cost her anything.
She got fixed up and repaired.
Turned out she had a blocked artery and she was home in 48 hours and was great.
My father broke six ribs recently.
Again, the same story, just kept waiting on trolleys and so on.
This is going on all the time.
I couldn't because it cannot deal with the volume.
Because in the 50 years I've been coming here, no matter what you say, they're like, have you heard about our healthcare system?
It's like, I thought you were about the greater glory of God and like subduing the world for civilization and the English language and our literature and history.
We bat way above our strength in things like music.
Okay, of the eight biggest selling artists in music history, I think you're right in saying that five of them have come from the Beatles to Elton Johnson.
It was very interesting when I did Soberly Apprentice.
It's where I met Donald Trump.
And this was back in 2008.
And the organization that I raised money for, because it was a charitable thing, but you had to have a charity, was the Intrepid Fallen Heroes Fund.
And they had a base down in San Antonio.
So I went down there.
And I remember distinctly coming off the plane and seeing a load of people with flags.
And I couldn't work out what was happening.
I knew it wasn't for me.
American flags.
And it turned out that they were there greeting every single serviceman and woman who came off the planes from whichever war zone they come from, because there was a big center there, a lot of military service people living in San Antonio, a lot of them also being treated for serious injuries and so on.
And they were just applauding and thanking them for their service as they came off these planes.
You'd never see that anywhere in the UK.
That just doesn't exist as a concept to do that.
I was very struck by that.
And, you know, I do think America generally is a lot more proudly patriotic than we've become.
We've become almost ashamed of being British in a way that I don't like.
I think we should be prouder of ourselves and prouder of what we've achieved and prouder of what we could be.
But one of the reasons why people don't feel that pride, I think, is because we've had a succession of what I would say are pretty hopeless politicians.
Well, maybe you dragged this into a place where people don't like it.
The point is, that has increased dramatically since the Second World War.
And I have done a couple of segments on the Second World War that have been very kind of shallow and not even really talking about the details or whatever.
You're a Holocaust signer.
Obviously, I'm not.
Whatever that means.
Hitler killed a ton of Jews.
That's terrible.
So that's been a diversion, really, that specific conversation from a much more important, broader conversation about what that war did to the West.
And I think it's totally objectively fair to say the West, specifically by which I mean your country, which is really the seat of the West, has been in decline since the war.
I mean, I wouldn't say it's been in decline since the war.
It was a lot of recovery after the war.
It was a devastating war.
I mean, you know, one of the most extraordinary aspects of that war is that Winston Churchill, who many people here to this day believe pretty well single-handedly rallied the morale of the people here to help us defeat the Nazis, albeit with obviously America's help, that he, in the end, at the end of the war, he got thrown out of office because so many people came back to a really bad lifestyle in a lot of impoverishment, a lot of homelessness and so on.
Well, let me refer to the beginning of our conversation when you said that the people who live in a country define the character of that country.
And then you said, yes, all the things for which we were famous and in which we had pride, like our stoicism, our concern for others, our tidiness, the cleanest country in the world.
Now it's pretty filthy.
All those things change when you get new people moving there.
You said that.
I mean, you're the racist, not me.
So I'm just using, I'm using the parameters that you said.
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I am not now, nor have I ever been.
And let me just restate, I think I have a lot more in common with the Pakistani cab driver than I do with the average guardian staffer who's white.
So yes, just for the fifth time, I have more in common with the sincerely religious Pakistani cab driver than I do with anyone who works at the Times of London.
That is just a fact.
I don't like those people.
I don't want to eat with them.
And they're white.
So all true.
All I'm saying is the qualities that made Britain the greatest country in the world were linked directly to the people who live here.
And so, of course, by definition, multicultural means less of some cultures because there's dilution of the dominant culture.
I mean, we, meaning the collective West, meaning the Allies, meaning Roosevelt and Churchill, meaning America and its cousins in the UK, were fighting against an authoritarian system.
It wasn't just about race hate.
It was about full control of a population.
We were arguing against that and fighting against it.
Of course, we were also funding it when we sent money to Stalin, but whatever.
It was never fully consistent.
But that's what we tell ourselves.
And now that's what you have.
There were three times as many people arrested in the UK last year for speech crimes as were arrested in Putin's Russia, and you have half the population.
So this is much more authoritarian than Putin's Russia.
No, no, but if you went on the airwaves here tonight and you start abusing and hammering and mocking and criticizing our prime minister, which by the way, many people are doing.
And I do think that this way I'll be categorized what's happened here is successive governments, right and left, have pandered to a weird sentiment driven by very vocal but small numbers of people that we have to start getting into the suppressing free speech business.
And it's been a catastrophic failure, which has diminished this country.
I think she's a nurse, and she gets beaten up by her boyfriend.
He beats her up.
She goes to the hospital.
And she texts someone, a buddy of hers, a friend of hers, a girlfriend of hers, and describes the man who beat her up and sent her to the hospital as a, quote, faggot, the faggot.
And she's arrested and convicted of a hate crime.
The guy who beat her up is not arrested or convicted.
And then she goes through this whole kabuki, which is now required, where she prostrates herself before the judge.
I'm sorry, it was not a homophobic rant.
By the way, you're allowed to be homophobic if you want in a free country.
You can have any view you want.
But no, because she used the word faggot, she's arrested and the guy who punched her in the face was not.
Actually, my whole issue with the whole trans debate, for example, is you don't need to slide into actually saying derogatory stuff about trans people to make the point that women's rights should be protected.
I wrote a column for the mail, actually, about the use of the N-word.
And the Washington Post did a huge report on this and said that every day on Twitter, as it was then, the N-word was used half a million times, but almost exclusively by young African-American men.
But no, but what I'm not, again, I'm not attacking anybody.
I'm just saying the whole debate about what words are allowed and by whom is, first of all, insane because, again, standards mean nothing unless they apply to everyone because we believe in human rights, not group rights or ethnic rights.
We're against that because we're against the Nazis, right?
So there's that.
But it's also a distraction from what actually matters.
If your dad is spending hours, I'm sure he was a Britain.
I'm not even, I'm mostly making fun to make a point.
I actually think that we should not kill people because they have Down syndrome.
I think they're beautiful people.
And I think when you get to heaven, it'll probably fill people with Down syndrome because they are pure and spirited.
I'm not joking even a tiny bit.
I really believe that.
But people who think it's okay to genocide everyone with Down syndrome through the alpha feta protein test are lecturing me because I'm using the word retard.
The biggest problem is not, as we all assumed, overpopulation in the world, but underpopulation, because a lot of people now, especially as the changing way society has gone with many more women working and so on, that the number of children that are being born, actually in places like the UK and the US, is reducing quite markedly projected for the next 50 years.
And you're seeing in some countries in Asia, for example, it's getting catastrophically low very fast.
So once you're able to do that, obviously people are going to go exploring.
They're going to want to try and live in other places.
The question then becomes: how enriching or damaging or both, and in what levels is an influx of people from other ethnicities, other cultures, other countries?
I would say on balance, London in particular has been almost a template, actually, for tolerance and cohesion and multiculturalism at its best.
If your economy is real estate, that's London's other big economic center is buying and selling and leasing pieces of property again and again to different people.
There's a lot of, of course, there's a lot of money because people from around the world stash their money here because it's a system based on manufacturing.
So I can tell that we were both born in the 1960s because we totally agree on the underlying human right, which is the core human right, which is the right to conscience and self-expression.
And both of us are on exactly the same page.
Where I lose you is your whole world is crumbling around you.
I'm worried that's going to happen in my country, which is why I'm hassling you.
If I'd known you were in town yesterday, I'd have taken you to the Emirates Stadium to watch my football team Arsenal beat our Northland rival football.
It was the most joyous, magnificent experience imaginable.
You would have seen a multicultural crowd roaring as one.
Why aren't you more panicked that thousands of people, thousands, by their own admission, the admission of the British government arrested every year for saying words, not threats, words?
I think Winston Churchill said, even if a strongman tries to take Poland, a country we've got nothing to do with, it's not even close to here, we're going to risk the lives of our citizens to liberate Poland.
But the point is your country went to war to preserve human rights in another country you had nothing to do with, but human rights are evaporating in your own country.
And it's cool because you have soccer games with foreigners at them and good barata.
And I'm just saying, maybe something about the heroic British spirit has been diminished with time.
But it's all a kind of displacement where you're taking your own frustrations with yourselves and your own cowardice and sort of living in this Walter Middie world.
We're like, no, actually, we're brave.
We're going to defend Ukraine.
It's like, what about defend yourselves against the monsters that are going to be able to do that?
It's like eighth on the list.
Defend yourself.
Defend your human rights.
They can't put you in jail for saying naughty words.
And the big issue, actually, is because they put a lot of these so-called asylum seekers, and many of them are not.
They're economic seekers who want a better life here.
I don't blame them.
It's a great country to come to.
But a lot of them are being put in really nice quality hotels.
And while they're being processed, sometimes for two years, three years, they're living a very comfortable, luxurious life in neighborhoods where there is real abject poverty.
And that is what is causing a lot of unrest.
And I get that.
And I have great sympathy with the people who live in those areas who are really struggling to feed their kids, who are seeing these people coming in on the boats illegally and being put in fancy hotels.
That has to stop.
And you also have to process these people a lot quicker for their sake and for the countries.
Are you a genuine asylum seeker?
I never want this country to be a place that rejects genuine asylum seekers.