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Nov. 6, 2025 - The Tucker Carlson Show

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It’s Time to Decide: America First or Lindsey Graham’s Psychosexual Death Cult?

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tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Good evening and welcome and happy anniversary.
		Tonight is the one-year anniversary of Trump's second election to the presidency.
		It was a year ago tonight that Donald Trump not only won, but won a majority of the popular vote.
		And not only won a majority of the popular vote, but won with a coalition that was broader than any Republican coalition probably since 1984 with the Reagan landslide.
		So a 40-year coalition.
		And at the time, looking at not just how many people voted, but who voted, it seemed really obvious if you were interested in keeping the left at bay and the Republicans in power for, say, the next generation or two, you would copy exactly what Donald Trump did because no one else has done it in 40 years.
		He created this amazing, not just landslide, not really a landslide, but it was an amazing victory in an environment in which most people assumed you couldn't have an authoritative victory because the country is just too closely divided.
		So it was an amazing thing that Donald Trump did a year ago.
		So the election was a year ago.
		That means the midterm election is a year from now.
		The next presidential election, two years after that.
		So it's probably not too early to start thinking through what comes after Donald Trump.
		No respect to the sitting, disrespect to the sitting president, but of course there's going to be something after him because he can't run again.
		And leads to say people are thinking about that.
		And not only are they thinking about it, they're already arguing and fighting about it.
		There is what Politico is calling a civil war in the Republican Party.
		And it's over, of course, identity, because the only wars we have in this country, the only sanctioned wars we have domestically are about identity, BLM, anti-Semitism.
		Of course, that's not really what they're ever about.
		These are proxy wars.
		These are wars waged on behalf of people who aren't directly participating for reasons that are never openly stated.
		And this war is actually about what comes after Donald Trump.
		Does the Republican Party, the party that now has power and a lot of money, revert to what it was before Trump, or does it continue to evolve in the direction that Trump has steered it?
		That's the question.
		And on that question hangs a lot.
		Well, control of the most powerful country in the world, control of the free world, such as it is, the shrinking free world, and an awful lot of jobs for people and an awful lot of military power.
		So there is a lot at stake in this contest.
		So consider the two choices here.
		You can go with the Republican Party as it was, which is basically neoconservative foreign policy, libertarian economic policy, the Republican Party of the think tanks in Washington of the Wall Street Journal editorial page of all the deep thinkers in the Republican Party, deep thinkers in the Republican Party, deep thinkers.
		The ones who are always invoking the same three Reagan quotes and quoting Tocqueville incorrectly and doing their little erudite impression.
		Or does it continue to become what it is currently becoming, which is the party of Donald Trump?
		Well, what is that?
		What is MAGA exactly?
		How do you make America great again?
		Well, Donald Trump, in his sort of signature way, which is to say never quite spelling everything all the way out, because he's not very ideological, but instead sort of leading by implication and by action, the position of Donald Trump in the last election was America First.
		And what does America First mean?
		America First means, very simply, the U.S. government should act foremost on behalf of American citizens, which is to say every big decision the U.S. government makes should keep in mind the top of the list of concerns.
		How does this affect the people who pay for this and who I represent?
		And again, most people thought that was their system that we already had.
		Turns out it wasn't.
		Donald Trump awakened all of us to that.
		The system was not acting in the interest of the country.
		It was acting really without reference to the people who live in the country.
		It didn't care.
		And it was acting on behalf of a bunch of other different imperatives.
		And Donald Trump steered it back to where it was supposed to be in the first place, which was acting on behalf of America.
		That's what America First means.
		This was not just a popular message.
		This is the most popular political message that any candidate has delivered in many, many generations.
		And it's popular because, excuse me, it's self-evidently true.
		Who wouldn't want that?
		And that, exactly, that message is the message that drew a record high number of famously black voters, Latino voters, voters of all kinds, just American voters united by a belief that the U.S. government ought to represent them and drain the swamp and no more pointless wars, et cetera, et cetera.
		But they're all branches of the same tree, which is America First, which is not only a non-threatening message, it's really the only legitimate message that a leader of America can send.
		And it's the only legitimate principle that can guide any American leader.
		So that is the winning message.
		If you're hoping to keep the Republican Party dominant or make it into something more positive than it currently is, cleave to that and you will win.
		It's super obvious.
		There's like no person who thinks about this for six minutes who could disagree with that.
		On the other side is a return to the Republican Party that we had before, which is a party that has all kinds of other agendas, most of which are never publicly revealed, and that spends a lot of its time policing its own members.
		Now, what does it attempt to achieve by policing them?
		Well, it attempts to achieve silence.
		It wants them to shut up about what is actually happening.
		And what is actually happening is that on the foreign policy side, which is the side that Washington cares about because it's got the most money and the most power, you can literally kill people, and there's no power greater than that.
		Our foreign policy is not wholly dependent on the whims of Israel.
		Of course, we have, you know, acting in lots of parts of the world that have nothing to do with Israel, but it is unduly influenced by the concerns of Israel.
	And in some cases, the U.S. government has acted, and these are all well known.
	The Iraq War, for example, has acted in ways that hurt the United States in order to help Israel.
	It has put the aims of a foreign power above its own interests.
	And that's immoral.
	It's illegitimate.
	It's extremely unpopular domestically.
	And it just doesn't work over time.
	That's not sustainable.
	You can't, there's no way to justify that.
	So rather than trying to justify it, they scream at people and tell them to be quiet and read them out of the movement and call them names and threaten them.
	But ultimately, because it's not a winning message, it cannot win over time, particularly if people are allowed or somehow manage to describe it accurately.
	And unfortunately, for the guardians of the old system, the old Republican Party, people have been allowed to describe it accurately, mostly because Elon Musk opened up X. And, you know, when you did that, you get all kinds of filth and nonsense and lies, but you also get some truth, actually quite a bit of truth.
	And one of the main things that people are telling the truth about that they didn't tell the truth about before is that our foreign policy really doesn't have much to do with what's good for the United States.
	And once those words have been uttered, they can't be taken back and they change people's minds.
	And the polls reflect the fact that they have.
	People's views are different.
	So in the face of this kind of inevitable change of heart, collective change of heart in America, where both parties are like, wait, why are we doing this?
	The people who are benefiting from the old arrangement, which only continued because it was maintained by threats and silence, those people are going absolutely bonkers.
	And they have been all week and they're claiming it's about one thing, Holocaust or something like that.
	But no, really, it's about who controls the Republican Party after Donald Trump.
	That's what it's really about.
	So ignore the moral posturing.
	This is a power struggle, as all political parties have from time to time.
	And this one just happens to have a lot of emotionally unbalanced, hysterical people with no limits who have access to social media.
	So they're scaring the crap out of everybody.
	But it's really kind of a conventional power struggle.
	So who are the players in this?
	Well, some of them are in the pundit class.
	The more ludicrous ones are in the pundit class, but some of them are actual sitting politicians.
	And if you were to choose one who symbolizes what we're actually debating and the stakes of this conversation, it would have to be Lindsey Graham.
	Lindsey Graham is a senator, the senior senator from the state of South Carolina, one of the most conservative, reliably Republican states out of 50.
	And he has been in Congress since 1994.
	So that would be 31 years.
	And he is running for yet another term as a U.S. senator.
	He's 70 years old.
	He'd like to serve till he's 77.
	And he has the support, not simply of the White House, he has an endorsement from the president, but he has more donor support probably than anyone who's ever run in the history of the United States.
	I mean, Lindsey Graham has so much donor support.
	And donors, just as a numerical question, probably represent, you know, 100th of 1% of the American population, but have a great deal higher proportion of the money.
	He's the most popular candidate they've ever backed.
	He's like a higher IQ, less grading Nikki Haley, Ron DeSantis.
	And so they will be backing him.
	And all things being equal, he will be reelected.
	And so why does this matter?
	Well, it matters not because Lindsey Graham is like a horrible person.
	I mean, he may be a horrible person.
	The truth is, Lindsey Graham is actually a very charming person and a very interesting dinner partner and a fun person to be with, hilariously funny.
	I met him for the first time.
	I was his seatmate on a campaign bus in 1999.
	He was a member of Congress and we spent a couple of weeks sitting next to each other.
	And by the end, I thought to myself, I love this guy.
	He's hilarious, always a joke, always has a drink in his hand.
	Like he's genuinely a cheerful person, probably fun to play golf with.
	So the reason that this is an important race is not because Lindsey Graham is like Mark Levin, you know, someone, if you were stuck in an elevator with him, you'd have to obviously kill yourself because you couldn't handle him.
	He's not that.
	You'd enjoy being stuck in an elevator with him.
	The reason it's so important is because Lindsey Graham is the living symbol of the old Republican Party, the Republican Party that did a lot, almost as much as the Democratic Party to destroy the United States.
	And so if he is re-elected next November, that will be a sign that actually the Democratic system doesn't work.
	Lindsey Graham's views are not popular.
	They are despised in the state of South Carolina.
	His views, if you were to disaggregate Lindsey Graham from what he believes and just poll Republican primary voters in South Carolina, do you agree with this?
	Lindsey Graham would be less popular than the Democrat because his views are repugnant to Republican voters and to Trump voters.
	And so if he were to get elected anyway, it would tell you that the system doesn't respond to the concerns of voters.
	And therefore, the system isn't working and isn't legitimate because the point of the system is to respond to those concerns.
	And so a lot is at stake.
	If Lindsey Graham wins, it will be the most dispiriting thing to happen in American politics in a very, very long time.
	So if Kamala Harris were to win in the last year ago tonight, it would be horrible.
	She'd be an awful president, probably even worse than Biden, insecure, fragile, weird, dumb.
	You can just imagine, nightmare.
	But at least you could say, well, she was elected by a party that kind of agrees with her.
	Kamala Harris got elected because the Democrats are insane.
	Okay.
	What's the excuse if you're a Republican voter, if you're a Trump voter for electing Lindsey Graham?
	Hard to think of one.
	So I just want to spend a couple of minutes before we go to one of the men challenging Lindsey Graham in the Republican primary next June, Paul Danz, who we're going to talk to in a minute.
	We want to go through a couple of things you should know about Lindsey Graham.
	So if Graham gets re-elected, it'll because the true Lindsey Graham, his record, his views, his priorities, his dark impulses are all lost in the haze of propaganda that surrounds him and people only know him through the political ads that his donors paid for.
	So we think it's important for people to know who he actually is.
	We're going to start with a clip.
	We could do this for like eight hours, but we're going to do this for like 20 minutes because we want to get to the guest.
	But we're going to start with a clip from this past Saturday, I think this past weekend.
	And Lindsey Graham was giving a speech of the Republican Jewish Coalition, I think in Vegas.
	And he was one of many speakers who were getting hysterical and threatening violence against Republicans who don't agree with them and jumping up and down and raging about the Nazis, the Nazis, 80 years after we defeated them.
	And Lindsey Graham was probably in some ways less hysterical, but he was the kind of most important office holder at this event.
	And he said a couple of things that really reveal the program precisely.
	Here is Lindsey Graham this last weekend.
lindsey graham ▲ ● ▼		He recognized Jerusalem as capital of Israel.
unidentified		Why?
lindsey graham ▲ ● ▼		Because if you got a problem with that, take it up with God.
unidentified		He's the guy that did it, not Trump.
lindsey graham ▲ ● ▼		So I just want to say I feel good about the Republican Party.
		I feel good about where we're going as a nation.
		We're killing all the right people and we're cutting your taxes.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		So there are a couple of things to notice about this that really tell you everything you need to about Lindsey Graham.
		First, he's, and we left the context here.
		He's defending Donald Trump.
		He's saying, not defending, Trump is probably pretty popular in the room, but he's saying, you know, remember, Trump's like a great president.
		Why is he great?
		Well, because he moved the U.S. embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.
		What?
		I mean, okay, you can make a case for it or not, but like, why should I care exactly?
		It's a purely symbolic move.
		It has actual consequences internally in Israel, but it doesn't even pretend to improve your life.
		Graham didn't get up and say, you know, he made prescription drugs cheaper.
		You could lower your health insurance, make it easier for your kids to buy a home.
		He got the cities under control.
		They're now safe.
		You can use the parks.
		He's improving the schools.
		You couldn't send your kids to public school.
		Now you can.
		You can use the emergency rooms again because he's deported 10 million illegal aliens who were hogging the space, which is where we currently are.
		No.
		The reason you should love Trump is because he moved the embassy, the U.S. embassy in a foreign country from one city to another.
		Huh?
		Why does that matter?
		Well, Lindsey Graham, explain why it matters.
		Because God commanded it.
		Oh, if you don't like that, take it up with God.
		So God, it turns out, and this may be in one of the non-canonical books in the scriptures, God wanted the U.S. State Department to move the American embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.
		I mean, it's like kind of a basic tenet of our faith.
		It may even be in the Catechism.
		What?
		And of course, given the venue, no one raised a hand and said, I'm sorry, Lindsey Graham, not a Bible scholar here, but how do we know that God wanted the State Department to move an embassy, you know, 80 miles or whatever the distance is from one city to another?
		How do we know that's God's preference?
		But Lindsey, this is kind of a tick of Lindsey Graham.
		So he explained recently that if you have a problem with Israel, God will kill you.
		And that would include the United States.
		He said, I'm almost quoting him here.
		If the United States abandons Israel, God will abandon the United States and kill us all.
		We'll die if we don't support, as he calls it, Israel.
		Israel.
		This is the Mike Huckabee pronunciation, Israel, which may be some kind of like dog whistle meant to telegraph that like I'm really on your side.
		It may be like the Kiev rather than Kiev.
		When you call it Israel, it's like, yeah, I got it.
		We're on the same page.
		But anyway, so the first thing we learn is the most important fact to know about Trump, the reason you should love him is because he supports Israel.
		Second is God demands whatever sort of like policy at the moment is God's will.
		Lindsey Graham, who like just guessing, probably not a Bible scholar.
		And if he is, he's skipping over certain parts of the book.
		Excuse me.
		And the third thing to learn, and this really is the heart of Lindsey Graham, is that the Republican Party is doing what you voted for us to do.
		And that is, and I'm quoting now, cutting your taxes and killing all the right people.
		So that's like, that's the perfect distillation.
		Lindsey Graham is clever.
		He's hardly a genius.
		He's not like a philosopher or anything, but he has summed up the Republican Party that Donald Trump overthrew more precisely than any person I've ever heard in my life.
		Cutting your taxes and killing all the right people.
		Because that really is the crispest way to describe the marriage of libertarian economics and neocon foreign policy.
		Cutting taxes and killing.
		And if you think about it, who'd want to be associated with that?
		An argument for higher taxes.
		Higher taxes can be bad.
		But cutting taxes is not a virtue in itself.
		The point is, if people are overburdened by the tax system, if it's hurting them, and we're not getting a lot out of it, if it's growing like, you know, some completely impenetrable democracy that's hurting the country, which it is, by the way, then of course you want to cut taxes, I guess, to starve the cancer or whatever.
		You make the argument.
		But cutting taxes itself is hardly a virtue.
	It's a contextual matter.
	Sometimes it is, sometimes it is.
	It totally depends.
	But in Lindsey Graham's simplistic but heartfelt formulation, cutting taxes is just a positive good always.
	And so is killing people.
	Killing people.
	You can sum up foreign policy.
	Killing people.
	Killing the right people.
	No, they got to be the right people, but killing people.
	Killing people is just, it's just a good thing.
	Like it's one of those things you don't need to describe.
	It's like sex with your wife.
	It's just good.
	Have you killed someone today?
	Oh, good.
	You have.
	Okay, good.
	That's how he thinks of it.
	And if you take three steps back, I mean, you're sort of tempted if you've known Lindsey Graham, like I have for 25 years.
	You're like, yeah, it's Lindsey Graham.
	You know, he's always saying these provocative things.
	But if you think about it for a second, you're a sick fuck if you say something like that, much less if you believe it.
	Killing people?
	Have you ever met anyone who's killed someone?
	You probably have.
	You may be someone who's taken a human life.
	It's a very heavy thing.
	And it's something that even if you win the fight and walk away and the other man doesn't, it stays with you for life because it's the heaviest thing there is.
	And it's the most forbidden thing there is.
	It's the darkest thing there is.
	We don't create life.
	And except under very rare specific circumstances, we're not allowed to extinguish it because we're not God.
	And so if you're casually encouraging other people to kill, and if you're gleefully in front of an audience applauding like seals, bragging about the killing that you are doing, you know, you're not on the team you think you are.
	That's really evil.
	And if that's what your party amounts to, cutting taxes and killing people, who's for that?
	I mean, some people are for it.
	All the ghouls in the room were for it.
	Killing people, okay.
	But most people, especially when they have time to think about it, like you're on a plane, you have time to stare out the window and think about what something means, you're repulsed by that because it's repulsive.
	It's the most repulsive thing.
	And in fact, a good government, a government that really cared about its people, would do everything it possibly could to prevent people with that attitude like Lindsey Graham from ever holding power or wielding it over others because they're monsters.
	Cheerful monster, hilarious monster, good-natured monster, but monster.
	There's kind of no way around it.
	And in a moment where people are being, you know, deplatformed and censored and screamed at and called names for their opinions, you know, some of those opinions are good, some are bad.
	Okay, we can debate opinions, but just not, we're not debating opinions.
	We're just crushing people for having opinions that, you know, we're characterizing a certain way and calling them bad, denouncing them.
	Here you have a guy who's really never denounced by anybody bragging about killing.
	And all the little ghouls are applauding.
	It's an amazing moment.
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	But if you're a Republican voter, if you're a Trump voter, for example, a Republican donor, or someone who thinks of himself as like kind of boxed in by the system and unable to vote for anybody but Republicans, you need to do whatever you can to make sure that that's not your party's platform, cutting taxes and killing people.
	And you need to make sure that the guy who's joking about it on stage and beaming with joy as he talks about murder is not one of your leaders.
	You really have to do that for your own sake and for the sake of your country.
	Now, are we taking that out of context?
	Is that just like something we pulled and he was maybe drunk again and it was a joke and we're being unfair and no, no, not at all.
	Lindsey Graham, of all members, except maybe this, the that weird guy from Florida, Randy Fine, who's like openly endorsing genocide, Lindsey Graham of every member of Congress can be relied upon at every public event, every photo opportunity, every time you run into him on the street to be calling for the murder of somebody.
	Killing is the point of Lindsey Graham's political career.
	Trying to convince the rest of us to get on board with killing when we won't, screaming at us and calling us names.
	And you're the hater because you're not on board with killing this or that person.
	It's all about killing people.
	I want to give you a second example.
	This is Lindsey Graham, who's from the very beginning been a staunch supporter of really one of the most brutal dictators.
	Let's just say it out loud in Europe in 80 years.
	And that would be Zelensky, the unelected dictator of Ukraine, who's basically devoting half of his life to extinguishing Christianity in Ukraine.
	All of us are supposed to ignore that, but it's actually happening, putting priests in jail, killing his political opponents, murdering critics.
	That's happening right now.
	Lindsey Graham, of course, loves him because he's doing a lot of killing, killing the right people, as Lindsey put it.
	Here's Lindsey Graham in a conversation with Zelensky.
	And sorry, another parenthetical note.
	Graham and Zelensky, both of whom are hardened warriors, run around in military uniforms talking about how tough they are.
	Neither one will ever sit for an interview.
	That isn't a kiss-ass interview.
	I've made about 100 requests to each of them.
	No.
	So they interview each other.
	But here's Lindsey Graham talking to Prime Minister Zelensky about killing.
	Watch.
unidentified		Free or die.
		Free or dying.
		Now you are free.
		Yes.
		And we will be.
lindsey graham ▲ ● ▼		And the Russians are dying.
unidentified		It's the best money we've ever spent.
unidentified		Thank you so much.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		The Russians are dying.
		It's the best money we've ever spent.
		Again, just encouraging you to think about what you're hearing for a second, because all of a sudden we live in a moment when a lot of people are espousing violence.
		It's funny, a year ago, if you had asked a year on election night, if you had asked a lot of Trump voters, like, why are you voting for Trump?
		They would give positive reasons.
		I really think that the American government should serve American citizens.
		I believe in America first.
		But they would also, I think, say, I'm really afraid of the other guys.
		And two of the things that bother me most about them is they don't believe in free speech.
		They're constantly pushing for censorship.
		And their rhetoric is violent.
		Their rhetoric, they're encouraging violence.
		They encourage the BLM riots.
		They encourage violence all the time.
		And yet a year later, here you have all these leading Republicans doing, what are they doing?
		Oh, demanding censorship.
		You should be fired for saying that.
		You shouldn't platform someone, meaning you shouldn't let them talk.
		And you shouldn't be allowed to talk to people we disagree with.
		All of a sudden, we're in charge of who you talk to.
		That's not totalitarian or anything.
		I can choose who you talk to.
		And we're going to just openly say that people we don't like should die, should die.
		And here's Lindsey Graham taking joy in, and I'm quoting Russians dying.
		Best money we ever spent.
		If you can spend money to make people die, that is money well spent.
		You freak.
		By the way, it's not, you know, here are the five generals or 10 generals or list of people we think are responsible for war crimes and the Donbass.
		Okay, okay.
		I mean, we can debate whether they are or not.
		Probably not, but maybe they are.
		And you would say, the person who committed the crime is being punished.
		But Lindsey Graham, who has a completely non-Western understanding of justice, is saying because they are in this group, they must die.
		So that's the distinction.
		And this is the actual fight.
		It's a fight between people who understand justice the way that Christians understand justice, which is on an individual basis.
		We punish the guilty.
		We punish the person for committing the crime.
		We don't punish his kids, people who share the same last name or live down the street from him or look like him or are somehow related to him, speak the same language as him, because they didn't do anything wrong.
		We don't punish the innocent in Christianity because we believe in the human soul, the individual soul.
		We don't think we're judged as a group.
		We think we are judged as individuals.
		We'll stand alone alone before God to account for what we did.
		Not for what our kids did, not for what our grandparents did, not for what our neighbors did or our countrymen did or our leaders did, but for what we did.
		And that is the basis of Western justice.
		And it's being abandoned and without a fight because people don't understand what is happening.
		But make no mistake, the attitude that you just heard from Lindsey Graham is an Eastern understanding, a non-Christian understanding of justice.
		The Russians, what does that mean?
		What Russians?
		Just Russians.
		They're dying.
		Best money we ever spent.
		So you're watching two things.
		You're watching someone who's embraced collective punishment, as Israel has, as most of the world has, by the way.
		It's not just Israel.
		And it's not just Lindsey Graham.
		It's most countries at most times in history believed in collective punishment and collective reward.
		You're the favored group.
		You're the Tutsis, and you get a better deal or whatever.
		You're the chosen people in whatever society or religion, but you're the Brahmins.
		You get, because of your DNA, a better deal.
		Diversity, DEI, affirmative action, they're all species of the same kind of thinking, which is collective thinking, which denies the reality of the individual human soul.
		And it is, therefore, anti-Christian.
		And the entire West was set up as a bulwark against that kind of thinking.
	And that's why it succeeded.
	And that's why it's been free and prosperous and happy.
	And people like Lindsey Graham don't acknowledge that.
	And instead, they worship death.
	And he has, as noted, a long career of doing this.
	This is not a conservative principle.
	This is not a Christian principle.
	This is a left-wing, atheist, agnostic at best principle.
	This is the I am God.
	I'll kill whom I want when I want principle.
	And it's been on display his whole life.
	On January 6th, Lindsey Graham said to a Capitol Hill police officer, you guys have guns.
	Why don't you shoot them all in the head?
	I wish you had.
	Shoot them all in the head?
	These aren't Russians.
	These are Americans.
	These are like 60-year-old ladies with pocket constitutions in their handbags and diabetes and bad knees who thought their election was stolen from them because they believe in the system.
	And so they marched on the Capitol.
	They didn't know at the time that there were like 230 FBI, whatever they were, agents, provocateurs, that the whole thing was managed.
	Some of us sense that immediately.
	Lindsey Graham could find out.
	Maybe he has.
	He doesn't care.
	Those people, in some cases, lured into this trap, allowed into the Capitol by security.
	That's on videotape.
	We're not guessing.
	Those people should be executed because what?
	They made him scared and he was scared on 9-11.
	Talk to his colleagues.
	I have.
	Lindsey Graham was terrified.
	Lindsey Graham is a physical coward.
	Of course he is.
	All the chicken hawks are.
	That's why they don't fight the wars, but they're also victims in this.
	When you call for the deaths of others, when you regard other people's lives as meaningless, when you think it's the best use of federal tax dollars to murder them, as he does, you become more afraid for your own life.
	It's always true.
	Dictators are always paranoid and afraid.
unidentified		They're never brave, ever.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		And Lindsey Graham is no different.
unidentified		Shoot them in the face.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		So the idea that Lindsey Graham is a conservative with the caveat that like, who even knows what a conservative is now?
		Conservative?
		Is Mark Levin a conservative?
		Is Dave Rubin, whoever that is?
		Is he conservative?
		Okay, I guess.
		I mean, whatever.
		But if those are the people, Ted Cruz, conservative?
		I don't know.
		Let's take a close look at Ted Cruz's life.
		What's conservative about it?
		Let's take a close look at Lindsey Graham's life.
		Is that conservative?
		And what's the reference point for that?
		What do you even mean?
		People like that have a completely different set of values on the deepest level, not on a surface level.
		We're not arguing here about tax rates, you know, and whether we should allow reimportation of prescription drugs.
		I mean, this is not a policy debate.
		This is a debate that flows from deepest level convictions, from foundational beliefs, and that is evident in the way that people live.
		If I took a microscope to your life, what would I find?
		And in the case of almost every single warmonger, you find chaos and sadness and alienation and weird behavior and abusiveness and alcoholism.
		It's like they're a disaster.
		And so they're projecting outward the hate that they feel on, in some cases, entire populations and increasingly on the American population, on the American population.
		So when you think of like a conservative as, you know, buttoned down and has his act together and is committed to his family and his grandchildren, it's like, this is not that conservative.
		So are they conservative?
		Who knows what they are?
		But the point is, Lindsey Graham has sided with the Democratic Party from his earliest days in the Congress.
		I mean, this is literally the guy who convinced John McCain to turn over the ridiculous RussiaGate, the original RussiaGate private investigator slash intel agency files about Donald Trump, the P-Tape, but the rest, to turn that over to the FBI as if it was real.
		Lindsey Graham believed that the 2020 election, the 2016 election, was controlled by Russia.
		There was never any evidence for that at all.
		But he believed it.
		He said it.
		He believed Trump was a Russian agent.
		How did he wind up in the inner circle?
		I mean, God knows what's actually going on.
		But the point is, if that's the future of the Republican Party, it's going to be a very small party.
		And it's going to be a small party where like the worst people in the world are all like clustered together, jock sniffing, yelling at each other.
		Who knows what they do?
		But if you wonder like who Lindsey Graham actually is, what his gut instincts are, take a look at his first reaction to the death of George Floyd.
		And in case you don't remember that story, it was Memorial Day 2020.
		This convicted armed robber, home invader, drug addict, former porn star, tries to pass a counterfeit bill in a convenience store, like this poor convenience store owners in Minneapolis and gets arrested for it and then promptly dies of a drug OD. That was all pretty obvious from day one, actually.
		But that wasn't Lindsey Graham's view at all.
		Here's what Lindsey Graham said about George Floyd.
lindsey graham ▲ ● ▼		The topic for the country is what to do after the death of Mr. Floyd.
		And what does the death of Mr. Floyd mean?
		Well, it's a long overdue wake-up call to the country that there are too many of these cases where African-American men die in police custody under fairly brutal circumstances.
		Mr. Floyd's case is outrageous on its face, but I think it speaks to a broader issue.
		I think this committee has the potential to reinforce things in society that will lead to better policing.
		And hopefully one day, if you're a young black man and the cops pull up behind you, you'll be wondering if you were going too fast rather than you're going to get beat up.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I mean, like, it is liberal white women like Lindsey Graham who are the real problem.
		I mean, here he is.
		What's his first instinct?
		By the way, that's June of 2020.
		That's like days after it happened.
		It's a congressional hearing.
		Kamala Harris is looking like, hmm, as a fake black person, I'm really, really concerned about what you're saying, Lindsey Graham.
		But he's saying exactly the same thing she would say.
		Exactly the same.
		What's the core assumption that everything you saw at NBC News is true?
		The story that you were fed was absolutely true.
		And it was a cop problem.
		It wasn't George Floyd's.
		George Floyd had nothing to do with it.
		He was just like some random black guy who got pulled off the street for being black and executed.
		Thank God on camera.
		So the rest of us saw it, but for being black.
		And this is like endemic in our society.
		It was like happily, every other black person in America is just like murdered by the cops.
		These damn white cops, making $50,000 a year.
		They have all the power.
		Yeah.
		So that was his gut reaction.
		He bought the whole thing.
		And there he is lecturing cops.
		Really, the problem is we need better policing in this country.
unidentified		Really?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		And of course, none of that turned out to be true.
		And, you know, it was obvious to some of us on like day one that this was BS. It was a manufactured crisis designed to affect broad social change.
		It was a revolution and it was.
		And it did affect broad social change.
		And hundreds of thousands of Americans have died of crime or drug ODs ever since because of the so-called reforms that people like Lindsey Graham screamed about, screeched about.
		He and the other liberal white ladies demanded that we re-educate the police because that's their fault.
		Imagine having that response.
		You know, also the response, Dickie Haley had that response.
		Nikki Haley, also from South Carolina, also a crazy neocon.
		First thing she said, the riots happening are good for America.
		We need to watch what's happening and feel the pain because we deserve it.
		It's our fault.
		Really?
		When a convicted armed robber tries to pass a counterfeit bill at some convenience store and then dies of a fentanyl OD, it's our fault?
		Tell me how that works.
		But no one challenged her.
		No one challenged him.
		They immediately joined the chorus of the worst people in the world whose first instinct was to blame people who did nothing wrong, in this case, the cops.
		And the consequences were terrible for American society and no one ever called them to account for it.
		Now, why did they do that?
		Partly because all the ladies in a certain income class, or many of them, have just like the same gut reactions and it's resentment toward men and it's self-hatred and it's guilt and the desire to seem virtuous in public, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
		Books have been written about this, though not enough.
		But really, it has to affect they don't care what happens to the United States because it's not really that relevant because that's not their goal.
		Their goal is not to improve the United States, which is why they haven't, not even a little bit.
		Their goal is to be power players in global politics because it makes them feel strong to kill people because you get a real electric charge from that and to serve the interests of Israel.
		Oh, it's an anti-Semitic slur.
		No, it's what they say out loud all the time.
		Here's Lindsey Graham.
		It's like an amazing clip.
		I don't, no one even noticed this.
		Watch this.
		This is Lindsey Graham describing his personal travel schedule and how often he's in Israel.
lindsey graham ▲ ● ▼		Watch this.
		Well, this is my fifth visit, I think, since October the 7th.
		And I'm here for a reason to show support to you, my good friend, the elected leader of the state of Israel.
		I'm here also to take on, and I will talk about this tomorrow, a form of blood libel in 2024 that the state of Israel is using starvation as a weapon of war.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		It's like an infomercial.
		It's like a badly shot infomercial for like prostate health cures or something, super beats or something.
		Like stand there.
unidentified		Well, Dr. Zone tells you, you know, it's like, it's unbelievable.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		He is doing PR for a foreign country.
		And even Netanyahu, he's a prime minister of another country, not our country, another country, looks a little bit embarrassed.
		Like, who is this, this weird kind of fawning guy?
		Is he going to touch my chest?
		I'm uncomfortable.
		You can feel that.
		But the whole point of Lindsey Graham being there, because he tells us it's the point, is to defend Israel from unfair criticism on the internet.
		Hmm.
		Is that his job as a U.S. senator?
		To be unpaid?
		And we're guessing about the unpaid part, but I do sense he'd do it for free.
		To be a PR shill for a foreign prime minister, not even really the nation, another politician who's not an American.
		What the hell is going on?
		And then he just admits out loud, this is my fifth trip to Israel since October 7th.
		Fifth trip.
		Huh.
		So this was in March.
		So that's five months after October 7th.
		This is in March of 2024.
		October 7th was 2023.
		So five months, five trips to Israel.
		That's one trip to Israel a month.
unidentified		Huh?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Is there any chance that Lindsey Graham has been in the state capitol of South Carolina, Columbia, once a month during that time?
		No, there's no chance.
		In fact, he hasn't.
		By the way, Lindsey Graham was that same year in Ukraine more often than he was in Columbia, South Carolina.
		And what's he doing there this time?
		Well, he tells us he is there to refute the blood libel.
		It's exactly not exactly clear what that is, but something to do with like anti-Semitism or it means you hate the Jews or you're defending the Holocaust or something horrible.
		You're a Nazi, something like totally beyond the pale.
		And the blood libel is that Israel is using starvation as a weapon of war.
		Now, who would say that?
		It does seem like a kind of a tough criticism.
		Well, let's see.
		Well, it's really cabinet ministers.
		Smotrich and Ben Gavir have both said that out loud.
		And they're cabinet members in the current government.
		And they have said, yeah, starve them out.
		Starve them out.
		Kill them.
		I mean, they're all the same.
		They're Palestinians.
		Their crime is their genetics.
		Their blood is tainted.
		We have magic blood.
		They have tainted blood.
		God loves us, hates them.
		And when they die, it's just a virtuous thing because they're not human.
		There's no doubt always and everywhere that that kind of thinking, thinking about other people in terms of the group into which they were born, rather than in terms of what they do, what they're like as individuals, that that kind of thinking leads to mass killing, genocide, every single time.
		And not just in Germany in the 40s, though it did lead to genocide there, but also in the Ottoman Empire in 1918 and also in Rwanda in 1994 and actually throughout history.
		When people start thinking of other people, not as people, but as components of some larger whole whose value is determined by their blood, you will inevitably wind up killing all of them if you can, because they're not really people.
		And you will also wind up saying out loud that it's okay to starve their children to death as they have said repeatedly.
		And not just some random guy in the comments section on the Jerusalem Post, but at least two current cabinet members of the current government.
		But Lindsey Graham is telling us that's a blood libel?
		Why are you telling me that?
		I have internet access.
		Why are you saying that?
		Because you're a liar.
		And nothing you say is true, except what you say about yourself.
		And that's that you love another country more than you love your own and you love killing more than you love living.
		And that's enough to know.
		You can't be a leader in the party I vote for.
		I'm sorry.
		And so with that in mind, and we hope you agree with that.
		We're sorry to say it, but this is not a very safe country.
		Walk through Oakland or Philadelphia.
		Yeah, good luck.
		So most people, when they think about this, want to carry a firearm, and a lot of us do.
		The problem is there can be massive consequences for that.
		Ask Kyle Rittenhouse.
		Kyle Rittenhouse got off in the end, but he was innocent from the first moment.
		It was obvious on video, and he was facing life in prison anyway.
		That's what the anti-gun movement will do.
		They'll throw you in prison for defending yourself with a firearm.
		And that's why a lot of Americans are turning to Burna.
		It's a proudly American company.
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		With that in mind, Paul Dance is running against Lindsey Graham in the Republican primary, which is in June of next year.
	We don't know a ton about him.
	We're about to find out, but that's all we need to know.
	This is unacceptable.
	Ladies and gentlemen, Paul Dance.
	I'm grateful you're here.
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		My pleasure.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		And I'm grateful that you're running against Lindsey Graham, not just as a protest candidate or some 80-year-old, I'm fed up guy, but as someone who understands the policies, who's been involved in making policy and who has a realistic chance of beating Lindsey Graham.
		And I just want to say out loud, yet again, my motives are not personal.
		I've always liked Lindsey Graham, but I think he's very obviously evil.
		And if he is the face of the Republican Party, normal people can't support it, including me.
		So it's so important to send the statement that we are not for killing of innocence or bloodlust or whatever weird demonic trip Lindsey is on.
		And so I'm just, I'm really praying for your victory.
		So how did you decide?
		Let's just start at the end.
		How did you decide to run against Lindsey Graham?
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm original MAGA.
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		You know, I kind of go back to even H. Ross Perot days, and we'll get in a little bit about how.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		So you supported Perot?
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I was a Perot.
		Perot is my first vote for president.
		I came from a kind of a traditional ethnic Catholic family, working class.
		My parents were the first to go to college, actually speak English.
		My siblings were the first.
		My parents spoke Spanish and French at their households.
		But, you know, my why am I running ultimately against Lindsey is for a God-family country.
		I don't think we have a choice at this stage.
		This is about the future of the movement, whether MAGA, America First lives or dies.
		We have to start thinking post-Trump.
		And this is going to be the fight for the future of this country.
		I stand on the shoulder of giants, my family's tradition, coming here as immigrants, living the American dream, building, working for it, fighting for it, dying for it.
		And I can't sit on the sidelines with all the gifts the Lord has given me at this point in time.
		I'm a dad of four, now to be five.
		And you have a fifth child online?
		I do.
		It's quite incredible.
		My wife is 22 weeks pregnant, and it's a blessing from God.
		This is what happens when two folks try to work from home.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Is that what happens?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I wish I had five.
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		I met.
		My wife's a famous ballerina.
		And so she's, you can imagine she does her workouts at home and everything like that.
		But I've been very supportive of her of her business.
		And I was, you know, working in the trenches, if you will, for the last five, seven years really with the Trump admin.
		I was the architect of Project 2025.
		And, you know, right now, this is, I believe God has a plan for us all.
		And this is a calling, but it's also that I have the life experience.
		I cannot sit back and watch somebody like Lindsey Graham represent our state.
		I live God, family, country.
		And when you live those values, that's how you can actually happen, make them happen in Washington.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's exactly right because it's sincere because you're defending your religious faith, your family, and your nation.
		It's not theoretical.
		It's not an ideology.
		It's not a personal fetish, which I think in his case it is.
		If I see one more homoerotic picture of Lindsay with Ukrainian soldiers, I'm just, I don't know what I'm going to do.
		And I'm not attacking him, you know, or attacking gays or anything like that, but like, this is just, this is a one-man sick fetish being imposed on a nation of 350 million.
		And I'm just sick of it.
		But it's one thing to oppose that.
		I'm not running against Lindsey Graham.
		Like, how did you actually decide to put it on the line and start a Senate campaign?
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		Well, like I say, I was a Trump guy before Trump knew he was running.
		And we can talk more about my family's bio because I feel that that informs so much of who I am.
		But I was hoping Trump ran in 2012.
		And I'm one of these guys who was kind of curious about the birthplace of a former president, if you will, which Trump was asking all those questions.
		I remember him going up to Vermont to New Hampshire here, and I thought he was going to announce.
		And famously, he called on for the birth certificate.
		But, you know, Trump was a disruptor.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		So you saw Trump even then in 2011-12 as a potential political leader?
unidentified		Absolutely.
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		You know, my dad's family came up from a Cold Water flat in New York City.
		And, you know, my grandparents built that city.
		They were emigres.
		They were born in the U.S., but their parents weren't.
		And to see that city grow, you know, my grandfather was at sea for 40 years as a Marine, a merchant marine.
		And my grandmother was an interpreter.
		She spoke eight languages in the city.
		But the malaise that happened in the 1970s, they never thought would change.
		And then it did change with Rudy Giuliani and Trump and this belief that we could rebuild in America.
		And so I knew of Trump long before that, just from hearing the stories of my grandparents about, you know, facing being mugged on the subway and all the how the city had slid down.
		And finally, people were digging out New York.
		And he's, he's famous for the Wallman rink there.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		But it's emblematic of somebody who basically comes in and reorders the system and who kind of is a strongman in a way as a mayor or somebody who can actually come in and get things done when bureaucrats are running around doing this.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		It's funny that you saw that so early.
		I didn't at all.
		And when Trump called me in 2015 to say he was running, I knew him, of course.
		I always liked him, but I said, you know, that's why I laughed at him because I didn't get it at all and I didn't take it seriously at all.
		I mean, I assume changed my views, but I just, it's interesting that you saw it so early.
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		Well, like I say, you know, we graduated.
		My, you know, if we can go back to kind of how I evolved as to be like a Republican, my family, Dan's is Spanish, his Gallego, and my grandparents were living down in a Coldwater flat.
		That means there's no hot water.
		This is a tenement that they tore down.
		They moved my family into housing projects.
		And ultimately, my dad was an only child, but he was, you can think of it almost as a Dookie Hauser, a guy who was raised by his maternal grandmother because everyone was working.
		She was a cleaning lady.
		And he made it to military school, graduated college at 19, and then Columbia Medical School at 23.
		So he became like a leading man in medicine.
		He was in the Barry plan, which is the doctor's draft back in the 60s.
		They needed doctors from the military.
		So my dad was drafted into that and did his Vietnam service in the NIH. But this was, you know, at the time, my grandfather was at sea.
		And this is when New York was really its top mercantile existence, where there were actually factories in New York City.
		He was later on on the Murmansk run, which is the famous convoys in the North Atlantic.
		And grandpa was in the engine room, which, you know, this is, if you want a definition of what a man is, because I know our culture struggles to define a woman, but you can imagine somebody like Popeye.
		I think my grandparents literally looked like Popeye in olive oil, but he literally had a tattoo on his forearm.
		But these were the people who were just brave and did it, you know.
		And he went to sea in World War II, you know, Nazi torpedoes sunk in his boat.
		These guys, when they came home, the Merchant Marines, these were hard-scrabble people.
		They didn't even get veterans benefits.
		So my family tradition is kind of like giving everything for this country and getting kicked in the teeth for it, and then coming and loving it even more.
		So ultimately, they did give veterans benefits in 1989.
		And I believe that Goldwater, Barry Goldwater, was one of the chief champions of this.
		So my grandparents became Goldwater conservatives.
		That's how they evolved to be Reaganites.
		So they were kind of these hard hat outerborough New Yorkers who moved from slum tenements to public housing and then ultimately to a little piece of the rock up in the Bronx.
		So that's my dad's side of the family.
		And, you know, my mom's side is even more, you know, maybe not more patriotic, but the same sort of crew that came from working class stock.
		They were French-Canadian immigrants.
		My grandfather was one of 22.
		That's kind of, I guess, runs in our blood.
		But my mom was the youngest of eight in a town called Wooden Sockett.
		They worked in the Texas.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Woo-No-Sackett, Rhode Island.
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		Wooensocket, Rhode Island.
		Textile mill workers, right?
		And these guys were the mechanical geniuses.
		Five of her brothers went off, fought World War II. Their first language was French.
		So they actually went behind enemy lines.
		They cut the supply lines.
		They landed on D-Day.
		And these were the simple guys who kind of came back to the machine shops and stuff here to only see the factory town move abroad in the 1990s.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		The story of all New England.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		The French, you know, the Arcadians coming down to staff the factories and then just getting marooned.
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's the story of all over this country.
		And we had moved around.
		Like I say, my dad was in the military.
		I know Lindsay's team likes to tag me as a New Englander, but I lived in Boston for all two months when I was a baby.
		But my dad was on orders from the military.
		So, you know, it's kind of like he's a Vietnam vet and we're a military family moving around.
		We moved to Colorado in the early 70s, and this was post-hippie, Colorado.
		And dad wasn't quite a social justice warrior, but it was a little closer to kind of Archie Bunker dynamic where they were, you know, kind of questioning the Vietnam War.
		Dad had done his service, but there wasn't something sitting right about it.
		And ultimately, he stood up the first migrant health clinic in and kind of because his first language was Spanish.
		So as well as like VD walk-in clinics.
		These were my dad revolutionized a lot of how medical care is given that we take for granted.
		In the old days, you only had a primary care physician.
		So we came east in the bicentennial year in 1976.
		And that was kind of my wonder years.
		And I think that's what really built the whole patriotic feeling.
		Cause, you know, these were all I knew were these great, quiet men and women who sacrificed for the country.
		And, you know, living in the footsteps of Mount Vernon, we came east.
		Dad was a health policy fellow on the Hill and got a taste of kind of public policy.
		And we got to go around Washington in the bicentennial year.
		My parents were, my mom was a chemist.
		She and my father were introduced by the parish priest in 1966 in Washington.
		So they were Kennedy-esque.
		They were the people who came to Washington and were not asking what their country could do for them, but what they could do for their country.
		So literally, I'm the spawn of two NIH scientists and very patriotic background.
		We, you know, learned back in those days, we used to sing songs, patriotic songs in second grade and third grade and kind of came up through that.
		Dad ultimately got recruited to Johns Hopkins, where he stood up the first ethics and medicine course.
		So dad and mom, we were very faithful Catholics and always going to church.
		I was an altar boy after all.
		But that's how we kind of grew up, K through 12 public schools.
		My mom went and worked in the underprivileged schools in Baltimore.
		And I went to MIT. I was recruited to go to MIT. And there I kind of encountered the first taste of globalism and what was happening and this kind of struggle to hold on to your working class value roots in your family in the face of kind of what they're telling you, a more global picture.
		And that rubbed me the wrong way.
		And that's how I got to H. Russia.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		You never fell for it at all.
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		No, I didn't.
		You know, I think it was, I was blessed with great parents.
		You know, I really respected mom and dad.
		And ultimately, I think when you look at a politician, you want to, you should have a right to value that person.
		You say that person could be a role model.
		I struggle in life, but I was blessed with the right direction early on.
		And I know a lot of people haven't been in those situations.
		You have to overcome things.
		I certainly overcame a lot in my childhood as well.
		But, you know, the grounding that you get and those values carry you for the rest of your life.
		And I didn't fall for it.
		And I saw, you know, my twin brother, identical twin, Tom, went to Brown.
		So he's going to Brown at the same time I'm going at MIT. And I'm hearing about this kind of, this is where they incubated cultural Marxism.
		Okay.
		My two sisters both went to Princeton.
		So we were like this kind of family of nerds, right?
		That my dad was a professor.
		My mom was a public school teacher.
		And we were all about education, you know, gifted and talented, always, always striving.
		But we began to get this dosage of cultural Marxism.
		What was interesting, though, was we came up at the end of kind of the Cold War period.
		So in public schools in Baltimore County, they actually were teaching Russian.
		And my three siblings learned were Russian from probably a retired CIA agent.
		Oh, friends.
		But they were the last off the production line of kind of, you know, red-blooded Americans who could speak Russian.
		And, you know, my parents had this just a great ability to inculcate us with values and arts.
		And my mom was a pianist.
		She turned down the scholarship to Eastman School of Music to go to college at Trinity in Washington first on the full scholarship.
		But so that's, I never fell for it.
		And I felt quite the opposite.
		I pursued economics at MIT and then ultimately a master in urban planning.
		And that's where I became, if you will, a community organizer.
		Later on, Nakta Obama was the community organizer in chief.
		But that's where they were training, also starting a lot of this kind of Indigenous people work and kind of questioning of American society from a social organizing sort of point of view.
		But to backtrack to the economics, this is at MIT in the early 90s was when they were putting up the theoretical basis for globalism.
		And I remember, you know, MIT economics is probably the top in the world.
		That's where all the Nobelists hang their hat.
		And my macro econ professor Solo was literally receiving the award that that year in 91, I believe it was, or 90.
		And he was beginning to put the theoretical underpinnings for if we moved production out of the United States, but as long as the return to capital came back to United States citizens, we would be all set.
		And what they never factored in is what they called externalities.
		And the externalities are the mom and pops and all the families that have built their entire life around this factory town that have all their equity in that house.
		You could have their social family.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		The idea was you could just move.
		And if you make it easy for capital to move, then human beings will move and you'll have a much more efficient system and you'll take out all the friction and everything will be great.
		We'll all be richer and happier.
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		But it was obvious immediate because Gary, Indiana had already happened.
		Detroit had already happened.
		So we, Baltimore, had already happened.
		The steel mill closed in Baltimore.
		So it's like you knew what would happen if we took the manufacturing out because it had happened.
		They didn't care at all.
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		Well, I used to take the train up from Baltimore to MIT. And that's how I talked about seeing the passing scenery of these derelict factories.
		And I'm the guy who's staring out the window the whole time, imagining, going, what's happening here?
		And I'm knowing about my own family.
		You know, my uncles, they've fearlessly fought World War II. They came back and, you know, the mill closed and the mill moved.
		And now he's literally a Maytag repairman.
		And, you know, the kids are getting into alcohol and drugs and this.
		And you can kind of see it happening in real time.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Which is kind of weird for circa 1990 anyone to be trying to expand the disaster that led to the pro campaign, ultimately led to two Trump presidencies.
		Like we knew, and I lived here, we're the same age.
		I remember very well thinking, well, that doesn't work.
		If it worked, then what is the explanation for Gary, Indiana?
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Well, I mean, the giant sucking sound from the South, when he put that in place, H. Ross Perot did, and basically talked about NAFTA and the effect of moving all these factories over the border.
		He was prescient about it.
		And to be sure, we were coming out of this peace dividend.
		Clinton had just come up to be president and we were talking about base closures and realignments.
		And this is kind of like we had a great opportunity to make this the country of milk and honey.
		Like you have to back up and say, why are we not overflowing here?
		Why do we live in a society where people are literally knuckle-dragging right now with fentanyl in Philadelphia and walking around?
		Like, how could this be after we had fought those wars and invested all that blood and treasure?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I thought we won.
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		We did.
		You would have thought, right?
		But, you know, the struggle, the fight never ends.
		And that's the point of why I'm running.
		That we need to, there's just so much shared sacrifice over 250 years from not only my ancestors, but pretty much everyone listening to this, they have a story.
		Some root back longer.
		My wife's family came 300 years ago, and they were, you know, farmers in eastern North Carolina and kind of hard scrabble life.
		You want to listen to the stories of my mother-in-law talk about the wall and like the deprivation after the Civil War, even.
		But, you know, it's to forget all that in a generation or two is absurd.
		And I have the ability now that I've worked on the front lines.
		I was a top attorney in Manhattan.
		I facing off with the progressives.
		I understand how they think.
		And then I went into government and was able to reinvent it in a way that now has allowed President Trump to come out, you know, as gangbusters.
		That's what that's why I'm standing up.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		As important as it is, politics is not the answer to this country's or man's greatest problem.
		The only solution is Jesus.
		Sorry, that's true.
		At its core, politics is a process of critiquing other people and getting them to change.
		Christianity is the opposite.
		Christianity begins with a call for you to change, me to change.
		It's called repentance and it brings you back to God.
		When God is at the center, hearts change.
		Only that will lead to the end of abortion, the greatest atrocity this country's ever participated in.
		The normalizing of killing babies is a stain on this country.
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		It's interesting, though, because you, you know, you look back to what, not to dwell on the past, but to say 1990, 1992, Clinton's election, 1998, I think, Lindsey Graham's election.
		And it just seemed like it was liberals versus conservatives.
		It was like normal people versus Clinton or later normal people versus Obama.
		You didn't really understand, or I didn't understand that there were different kinds of Republicans, and some of them were actually aligned with the Democrats secretly, Lindsay being the most obvious.
		And others were really for the country and for fixing the country.
		I didn't get that.
		You clearly did.
		If you're supporting Prison, tell me why you supported Perot, for example, in 92, his first run.
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, I think it was that my parents were this kind of, you know, push and pull with Reagan.
		I mean, to your credit, you guys saw Reagan early on, and my grandparents saw Reagan early on.
		I was John Anderson, if you will.
		If you want to really go back in fourth grade, we had the, you know, the, we did our mock debates, and I was, um, there was Reagan and there was Carter and I was John Anderson in that.
		No kidding.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		So I guess it was the independent streak was early on in me.
		And, you know, it was really searching for the values that I was never part of anyone's club.
		Okay.
		My dad was in academic medicine.
		We weren't wealthy, but we did well enough.
		But we were public schools and I, you know, I was a nerd, basically.
		I had glasses.
		I had headgear, if anybody remembers that.
		I had a tough time at dyslexia.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Headgear and dyslexia?
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		I had it all.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Can you explain what, for those who are not 56, what headgear is?
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		Well, that was an orthodontic thing where it was also an aesthetic thing.
unidentified		Yeah.
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you know, growing up in the 80s was a magical time, really.
		I wouldn't trade it for the world.
		And I think there's a lot.
		You know, I even talk about going back to the future now.
		But, you know, it was a little difficult junior high, but I was, you know, nurtured by my parents.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I was mass with not to linger, but on headgear.
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		For those who don't know, they're like wires that went like around the back of your neck on your teeth, right?
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		No, this was a kind of a passage of adolescence, you know.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		But it's pretty, it was extreme orthodontic.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		It was like, it was the orthodontic equivalent of like the halo you get when you break your neck.
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, it was not flattering, but makes a tough man, though, over time.
		Oh, sure, sure.
		You know, I ultimately became an all-American lacrosse player.
		You know, this is like, we, we had this nurturing.
		I mean, the, the guys who ran our school system were the Korean war vets.
		So I really credit them in this kind of Cold War Baltimore upbringing where they were like, you know, weak American teenagers.
		I remember my gym coach there in junior high talking about like, you know, we had to do push-ups and we had, you know, it was like the showering and going out there and playing football and just kind of like stuff nowadays.
		People would be like, no, that doesn't work.
		But they would take wrestling and they'd be like, you and you wrestle now in the center of the thing.
		And it was, that was kind of what we were growing up with.
		But the my principal there in public school was this quiet man in terms of humble, a war hero.
		He literally didn't have use of his arm, but he was Dr. Cadel would say, you know, he saluted excellence.
		His entire thing was at Delaney, we do things just a little bit better.
		And he'd get on the internet on the intercom and basically salute every time a student really excelled.
		So he, it was, it was merit-based.
		It was all about excellence.
		It was always about pushing yourself just a little bit harder.
		And that's what I came up with.
		And that's the sort of values I think that built our country.
		And we need them back.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		So, but to be fair, to Lindsay, if you were to ask Lindsay what makes you qualified to be a senator, he would say, well, fundamentally, I'm patriotic.
		I love this country.
		I'm from a patriotic family.
		I believe in the same values that founded this country.
		Like he would say the same.
		I think any politician would say the same, certainly in the Republican Party.
		But what is it about Lindsay that gives you the impression he's not telling the truth about that?
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		Well, look, he has a 32-year record.
		He's actually elected in 1994.
		So he had.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, was he class 24?
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he had four full terms in the House and now has done four full terms in the Senate.
		And so let's like break down his record here.
		When he came to Washington, it was $5 trillion.
		Now it's $38 trillion.
		So his entire time has been deficit spending without any regard for this debt.
		He also, you know, he is marked with these endless wars everything he's supported from, you know, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, you name it.
		He wants to invade it and bomb it.
		And then just this last couple of weeks, obviously Venezuela and Iran before that.
		So this notion of patriotism for him only runs towards kinetic fighting abroad.
		And then we have to ask, what is the purpose of that?
		Because every time we extend ourselves abroad, we are necessarily diminishing our ability to build this city on the hill back home.
		And he's never championed any of these things.
		Here, I have this life experience where my parents were NIH scientists.
		Look, I was at my mother's deathbed when she died of cancer, breast cancer at 65.
		And I'll never use the term death throes when you've actually seen your mom pass.
		But why do we still have breast cancer?
		Why do we sell $300 billion to Ukraine?
		Why, you know, and I, and likewise with my dad, like great man in modern medicine at Hopkins.
		I had to say goodbye to dad in the moon suit, you know, with COVID in February 2021.
		This is right after Trump left office.
		But, you know, they were the whole COVID thing was just so ridiculously foisted on us.
		And we need to get to the bottom of that.
		So, but, you know, I walked in there on day three and they said, you could say goodbye to your dad for like 15 minutes.
		And then I go, well, he doesn't really have COVID.
		Could you test him?
		And, you know, they refused to test him.
		They kept, you know, those tests didn't really work and after a fact.
		And they told us all this transmission lies.
		But, you know, dad ultimately expired seven on day seven.
		And they're like, well, you can use a laptop if you want to join him or whatever.
		So it's, you know, I've suffered a lot of this personally, where I feel like we need that fire in the belly to get up there and use, to use this perch in Congress, in the Senate, to really drill down on these people and get Americans' answers.
		What happened?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Do you see Lindsay as like an effective voice in any of these issues, the ones that matter to Americans?
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		Not at all.
		No, I think he's quite the opposite.
		He's run interference for the deep state.
		I like to call him deep state Lindsay because if you trace back, look, if Lindsay had his way, there never would have been a Trump.
		And we can't be gaslit to forget all this.
		He was one of the most vociferous attackers on Trump early on.
		He said Trump would be the worst nominee in the history of the Republican Party.
		If you want to make America great again, tell Donald Trump to go to hell.
		And, you know, he voted for the CIA stooge, Evan McMuffin, Evan McMullen.
		Like he didn't even vote for Trump, guys.
		And then what happened?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		He voted for Evan McMuffin?
unidentified		Yes.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Did he admit that?
unidentified		Yes.
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		He probably admitted it.
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		You know, this is a guy who is.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Evan McMuffin was like a literally connected to the CIA and Mindy Finn or whoever that woman ran.
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		No, we can't forget history.
		I mean, we shouldn't forget COVID.
		We can't forget 9-11, but you can't forget what Lindsey Graham's been about.
		He did not change his stripes.
		This guy is a vehement, shape-shifting anti-Trumper.
		In 17, when we had both houses of Congress and the presidency, and remember the seminal promise was to build the wall, what did this guy do?
		He went and reinforced that bogus narrative that the Russians had hacked the election.
		He literally had subcommittee hearings where he said the purpose of this hearing is to reinforce that the Russians had interfered with the election.
		And that had the point of carrying water for the Democrats to delegitimize Trump.
		So instead of building a wall, which now fast forward 10 years later, there's 20 million invaders in this country.
		This is how this guy used his seat in Congress to actually delegitimize it, to basically support Ray.
		He voted for Ray.
		He voted for Comey.
		When the president threatened to fire Mueller, he threatened the president.
		And every option that he ever had to do any oversight on this kind of spying mechanism, kind of deep state, he always abstained.
		So, you know, even you see a great thing where he was chairman of the Judiciary Committee in 19 and 20, and Maria Bartaroma was asking repeatedly, when are you going to issue subpoenas?
		When are you going to get to the bottom of this?
		And he said, you know, I will send a strongly worded letter when they're wrapped on their investigation.
		So it never happened.
		And, you know, this is a guy who's basically running interference for the other side.
unidentified		Well, he is.
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		I remember walking into the monocle, which is a restaurant right off North Capitol Street on Capitol Hill in Washington.
		It was right across the street from Fox.
		We eat there all great restaurant, great owners, great people.
		But it's basically the Senate dining room.
		You know, they're there every day.
		And I remember walking in for lunch one day, and there was Lindsay sitting in a booth with James Murdoch, who is Rupert Murdoch's son, very left-wing son, vehemently anti-Trump, spent a ton of millions of dollars against Trump, huge donor to the ADL, like really, really a dark figure.
		And there was Lindsay, drunk, by the way.
		I don't think that uncommon for him, yapping away, laughing with James Murdoch.
		And I was like, holy smokes.
		And I worked for the Murdoch.
		I was like, I know who James Murdoch is.
		He hates me.
		And there's Lindsay, like clearly plotting with him.
		And then Lindsay sees me and he's very friendly, I will say.
		And he comes up and he's like, drunkenly talking to me.
		But I'm like, wow, you're eating with James Murdoch.
		He is the deep stater.
		There's no question.
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, I think when he tried to stop Trump the first time and then he was beholden to John McCain, when John McCain died, that's when he flipped and he changed tactics.
		And it was like he was going to literally grab his golf bag and try to cozy up to the president.
		And he saw 2020 coming.
		Look, the whole state hates Lindsay.
		I mean, he's been booed in his own hometown for six minutes straight.
		He won't get on the stage with President Trump because he knows he'll face this booing.
		They literally turn their backs on him.
		But he knew that everyone in South Carolina was rabid Trump, and that was going to be the only way for him to reinvent himself.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		So how does he keep getting reelected?
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, in 2020, I think it was a fluke.
		I think it was under cover of COVID.
		And, you know, the point was that we had, there was no viable challenger.
		There is a machine in South Carolina.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		You know, and I'm running against the machine.
		I've never been part of anyone's club.
		And that probably goes back to the headgear and the glasses.
		But, you know, I'm an outsider and I attack.
		But, you know, there is serious money involved.
		And you have to be with.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		With donors like Lindsey?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Do they play a role in this?
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's incredible that I'm here to wrestle this sentency back to the people of South Carolina.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		So the donors shouldn't be totally in charge of the country.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Is that what you're saying?
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's my proposition.
		Look, it's extraordinary that he got re-elected in 20.
		And, you know, in short order, he was turning his back right on Trump.
		He famously, you know, on July, on January 6th, he incredulously said to the Capitol police, we gave you guns.
		Why didn't you shoot more of those people in the head?
		This is a guy who, you know, not with.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Gave you guns.
		Why didn't you shoot more people?
		And I'm really trying not to be vicious or use slurs against Lindsey Graham.
		He certainly used them against me, but I want to be Christian.
		I don't want to do that.
		But boy, it's tempting when you hear that because that is so evil.
		Why didn't you shoot?
		These are Americans.
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		These are Americans.
		These are protesters.
		They're exercising their First Amendment rights.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		They're also like the most decent people in the country.
		They're like toting their little pocket constitutions.
		Like they, they believe in our system.
		They believe in the order that our founders created.
		And Lindsey Graham doesn't and doesn't care.
		And he's calling for their murder.
		I mean, he's unbelievable to me.
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		He's always calling for violence.
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		It's almost a bizarre, you know, it's killing at the top of his mind.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		He just did this.
		I think, I don't know if it was violence against me.
		I know he was attacking me.
		That's not why I'm doing this.
		I don't care what he thinks of me, but I just, he was calling for violence.
		Wasn't he calling for violence this past weekend?
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he was speaking.
		It's actually a disqualifying speech.
		If you look at it, it's so unbecoming of the United States Center.
		And I think it's one for the books.
		But he got up there in Las Vegas, the Republican Jewish Coalition, and he definitely seemed to be under the influence of something.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		He's drunk all the time.
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		It seems to me.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I have noticed that.
		Look, I'm not calling him an alcoholic.
		I'm just saying as an alcoholic myself who's recovered, I would say every time I see him, he's drunk.
		So there's something.
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		Well, he was feeling his oats and he got up there and literally said to the audience who are Jewish in the main.
		And I think that this is a great slander, you know, in terms of characterizing your caricaturing your audience.
		He said about the administration, we are killing all the right people and we're cutting your taxes.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Killing all the right people.
		When you find yourself, I mean, he's 70 years old.
		He's going to have to face the consequences of this at some point, the eternal consequences.
		If you're bragging about killing people.
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think there is a sixth commandment against such a thing, the instruction from our Lord many millennia ago.
		But, you know, let's break that down to, you know, his constituent parts as an attorney.
		You know, if I were taking a deposition of him under oath, I'd say, let's break this sentence down.
		Okay.
		We are killing.
		Who is the we in this?
		Okay.
		Are we talking now about the United States government?
		Are we talking about the Ukrainians?
		Are we talking about the government of Israel?
		Who is we?
		And then killing, you know, it's like, okay, well, are we talking about bombing people or how exactly are we killing them off?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Doesn't matter.
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		You know, and then all the right people.
		And then you say to yourself, well, all the right people.
		Or you mean people on the right?
		Well, Charlie Kirk was just killed.
		Can you have a little bit of space from the man's actual wake before you're intoning violence?
		And then he turns in the next sentences to actually threaten violence against the right.
		Now, this is a guy who just said shoot people in the head on J6, is now saying if someone stands for office and critiques Israel, we're going to beat their brains in.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		He said that?
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		Yes, he said beat their brains in.
		And then he later on used we're going to gaza them.
		Well, he said cream them as well, which is you know, kind of an unfortunate uh turn of phrase for him.
		But uh, you know, beat their brains in.
		Uh, and it's just like, who are you talking about?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Like, why he's talking about hurting Americans, killing Americans on behalf of another country, a foreign power.
		Okay, so like I don't even know what to say to that.
		If you're not appalled by that, go ahead and vote for him.
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		But where's your celebrating this whole rant?
		It's an extraordinary thing.
		And I guess you haven't seen it.
		But then he goes on to say, I have not seen it.
		Like, both President Trump, we're all out of bombs.
		You know, we didn't even run out of bombs in World War II. It's like, China, if you're listening, you sitting United States Senator just told you that we were all out of bombs.
		And like, we know that we can't restock all those shoulder-fired missiles that they take seven to 10 years to build.
		That we have no industrial base.
		But he's literally bragging about the fact that all of our munitions have been passed to defend this eastern border of Ukraine for what?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, none of this benefited America.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		None of this had anything to do with America.
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		It's absurd.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		We were invaded while he was in the Senate.
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		He said what benefited some people in America.
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		If you happen to own the defense industrial stocks and, you know, has he gotten rich in the Senate?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I haven't even checked.
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		Well, who knows?
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		It's a good question to ask.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't matter.
		He's 70 with no kids.
		So why does he care?
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, I think that the point is that he has been supported.
		This Senate seat is kind of wholly owned by a foreign interest or kind of defense industrial components.
		And it's so far removed.
		The people of South Carolina are a mere kind of imposition, really, the voters.
		And it's like, we will deal with you once every six years.
		We will gaslight you.
		I'll get a couple photos of me behind President Trump and, you know, just kind of move along.
		But, you know, meanwhile, South Carolina's 50 out of 50 in roads.
		Okay.
		People die on our secondary roads.
		The actual infrastructure is 30 years behind, which roughly maps the time this guy's been in Washington.
		He's never brought the bacon home.
		He's when, if unless you think of home as Ukraine or some foreign interest, but certainly, you know, South Carolina, you go off the main highways, which, by the way, if anyone's driven through on the 95 or on the 20 or the 26, they're two line, two lane death traps.
		They've never been expanded.
		Now they're being beginning to be expanded.
		But, you know, people's roofs are falling in.
		Rural America is decaying.
		The industry moved out.
		And this is what we get.
		We get a senator who's obsessed with foreign war.
		You know, I think it's half of 1% of the South Carolina population is Jewish.
		So yes, I mean, look, look, I reaffirmed the right for Israel to exist and, you know, and certainly always defending the Jewish people in the wake of the Holocaust, particularly.
		But I don't derive my foreign policy views based on my, you know, my theological understanding of the Bible.
		I'm America first guy.
		I'm, this is the country my family fought for, worked for, died for.
		And everyone else did.
		So, this frame that a U.S. senator would spend three days in Washington and then run off to Kyiv or Kiev, as we used to call it, and hold hands with a foreign dictator who suspended elections, who's imprisoned the opposition, who shut down the what about a weirdly hot foreign dictator in a tight-fitting military uniform or a tracksuit?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that I'm just saying there are mitigating circumstances here.
		Kind of a young Fidel or like Che in the Sierra Madre 1958, you know, cigar clenched resolutely in his teeth.
		Like, there is a kind of appeal there.
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		You, well, maybe that's what the Venezuela thing can be explained that way.
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		There's a Latin ruby right now.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I actually said to myself, don't be a jerk during this interview, but of course, I can't.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I have no self-control.
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		Well, look, I mean, his sexuality is his own thing.
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		But if it's based on kind of his psychosexual urge for violence, that is the problem.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Let's just be, let's stop lying.
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I'm not being.
		This is a very recognizable phenomenon that has reoccurred throughout history.
		And it is tied up in your personal life.
		And I'm not talking about his sexuality, just being the way that you live reflects your values and it affects your opinions on everything.
		And so if you have children and grandchildren, you have, by definition, a vested interest in stability and peace.
		You're instinctively opposed to violence.
		You lie awake as the head of household thinking, if there's a home invasion, what do I do?
		Like, that's how your brain works.
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		But if you don't have that, and if you're about grinder or whatever is going on here, then you've got a completely different set of values.
		Like, it's just a fact.
		Like, I'm sorry, that's true.
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		Well, look, I mean, Steve Witkoff, who is who has helped make the peace there, that this unstable peace, but made a peace.
		He tells in his 60 Minutes piece how he first found common ground with his adversary on the other side with saying, We belong to an unfortunate club where both of our sons have pre-deceased us.
		And so it's like he found common ground as a dad.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		But look, I just say of Steve Witkoff, who I know well.
		Yeah.
		Steve, if you watch Steve Witkoff's relationship with his two surviving sons, you see where Steve Witkoff's instincts come from.
		He's very close to his boys, and one of whom I know well is like a genuinely great guy.
		He reveres his dad.
		The dad loves the son.
		Like, that's that's the goal.
		And Witkoff looks at the world that way.
		It's like, I have grandchildren.
		Like, I want, I want to continue the good things in this world.
		I don't want to blow it up tomorrow.
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		100%.
unidentified		Right?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		It matters.
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		That's what we need in the statesman.
		We need somebody.
		Look, I live these values.
		I have a family.
		I have a stake in the future.
		I've lived a life.
		I've lived with a woman.
		We've suffered.
		We've survived.
		We've thrived.
		And that life experience, watching my mom die in front of me, going in with the immune suit with my dad, seeing kind of the setbacks my grandparents felt only to see, you know, them ultimately succeed.
		These are things I, every day, I walk in office on the shoulders of them, but I carry that weight, this shared sacrifice.
		And when you go abroad and you're with a culture that has, you know, maybe nothing to do with us, I'm not looking to convert them.
		I'm looking to find a little bit of humanity common ground.
unidentified		Yes.
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		And that's where you say, look, parents love their children, okay, in all cultures.
		And that's an immediate thing where you can have some respect for life.
		You know, look, he is the worst, Lindsey Graham is the worst emissary or real avatar for any of these values, whether it be kind of peace and the United States values or what he's doing now with engendering, I think, anti-Semitism.
unidentified		He's actually making that worse.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		These advocates, advocates for Israel, I mean, from BB to Ted Cruz to Lindsay, they're all making people hate Israel.
		I mean, that is a fact as someone who's never hated Israel.
		Speaking of myself, I've never hated Israel.
		I vacationed there, but these people are changing in their advocacy.
		Rabbi Buttplug, all of them, they're all making people dislike Israel, big time.
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, his speech speech was shameful and it, you know, it should be repudiated to call for violence the way he did against the right, a sitting United States senator in the wake of Charlie Kirk.
		It's, you know, it needs the president should distance himself from those remarks.
		But, you know, here, again, like he intrudes into like women's health.
		Like if there was ever one cohort in the United States who should sit this one out, it's a 70-year-old warmonger who's never shared a life as we can tell with a woman.
		You know, it's like he does more damage than good.
		And with respect to those issues for life, it's like being pro-life means also not killing people.
		I mean, to borrow a little bit from the Pope, but like having a sensitivity towards that as well.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, well, why?
		Because we think human beings are the most valuable thing God created.
		That's what we believe.
		And if you don't believe that, you shouldn't be in charge of human beings, right?
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		Well, we're committed.
		We are created in God's image.
		So every time I look, one of the great things my parents did was name me after St. Paul.
		I'm always trying to walk in his way, the instructions.
		But what a man.
		You know, that we learned to have a mutual respect for our common man, to look at the beauty.
		If you look at a person, you say, look, you were creating, there's something amazing about you.
		It may not be evident on the surface, but I know that there's something.
		And you may have had a troubled life, but you can always improve.
		And to be able to have that kind of fundamental respect, I come from a long line of janitors and chambermaids and people did the dirty jobs.
		And I never felt, I never feel like I'm superior to them.
		I think that that's really the mark of liberalism, progressive government is that there's a small group of us who know better than the rest of the world how to do a dumb credential from a credential factory.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		No, I couldn't agree more.
		There's a real lack of nobility among people like that with Lindsey Graham, a true lack of nobility.
		And that's fine.
		And he's going to have to answer for that.
		But to have him in a position of leadership, particularly in a party that I voted for, don't have much option, actually.
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		Not acceptable.
		Look, look, this is a post-Trump election.
		This Senate term is six years.
		President Trump, the 2028 trolling stuff is funny, but he's out of office in two years after this election.
		It's going to be a lame duck president the day after the election kind of cementing his legacy.
		And this is where does this movement go?
		All of us who fought in the early trenches, look, that this whole thing could just be sucked right back into the swamp with this shape-shifting establishment, really neocon deep state guy, you know, who's who's managed to somehow pull in Trump a little bit, or at least the inner circle around Trump.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Do you think it's weird?
		I'm sorry to jump around, but I'm just thinking about you reminded us all that Lindsay said on after January 6th, we gave you guns, shoot them all.
		Of course, none of the protesters had guns, not a single gun, no guns, except for the 200 and something undercover FBI agents, all of whom are armed, but no actual protester had a gun.
		Lindsey Graham only speaks in martial language.
		Kill them, crush them, bomb them.
		You know, he's a tough guy, right?
		He's like some reservist or some fake rank in the military or whatever.
		But he's terrified, terrified on January 6th.
		He's like afraid of unarmed protesters, half of whom are like over 60 and have diabetes and bad knees.
		And he's terrified.
		He's a coward.
		I mean, I talked to people, his fellow senators who were there.
		He was scared shitless.
		What is that?
		Well, you know, the guy who's always calling for violence against other people is a physical coward.
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		I think he knows that 2020 was infirm.
		It was a rigged and stolen election, and he did nothing really for it.
		He did a lot of pretense.
		You know, the famous call.
		Look, I was there.
		Okay.
		What Paul Dance has is battle scars from every major MAGA battle.
		I was there in 16 in Pennsylvania, in Moontownship, when everyone had walked away from the president.
		They thought he was going to lose.
		And we pulled out the wind there.
		We brought Pennsylvania over the wind column, doubled the vote there and the good people in Allegheny County.
		And, you know, I was there in 20.
		I went down to Georgia.
		I was, at the time, I was chief of staff at the Office of Personnel Management.
		We should talk a little bit about how Project 2025 came to be and how I got to serve in the Trump admin.
		But I had been there again in Allegheny County for the day on Election Day.
		And we had been saying, those of us in the admin, I think we got this as long as they don't steal it from us.
		And thinking that the RNC and the Trump campaign would have taken corrective protective measures.
		Well, I was in the White House that evening and PPO, it's a presidential office of personnel.
		And we were again getting excited for a period of time there.
		It seemed like we were going to pull this out.
		They actually turned the volume off of the TV and put on some music.
		And then ultimately, everything slowed down.
		It was clear that something was totally awry.
		And ultimately, two days later, I would go on paid leave, leave my group.
		I basically ran this agency called Office of Personnel Management and go down and use my work as an attorney to help out.
		But I got down to Georgia on the Friday morning.
		Thursday night was where they famously started counting ballots in Fulton County in the middle of the night.
		I decided to take my car from DC and just start driving.
		And I'd see my wife in South Carolina and the kids and pick up some clothes and just get there.
		So I got there by nine in the morning.
		I kind of kicked myself for not flying because who would have known that they were counting ballots?
		But the bottom line is we were overrun.
		Okay.
		They had nothing in place.
		They knew this was coming.
		And if you dug in a little bit, you could tell that it was almost an inside job.
		You know, Rafus Berger, the Secretary of State, there was something odd with that dude and the guy, Gabe Sterling.
		There's something really off.
		But they had, to be sure, said, you know, this was the cleanest election they had fought before they had finished counting the ballots.
		So the Secretary of State of Georgia was adverse to the president.
		Nonetheless, we got down there.
		There was no infrastructure in place.
		The president didn't even have a law firm retained.
		There was no national law firm.
		And this was the whole thing that was a debacle, but I seen it with my own eyes.
		I stood up there.
		People knew what happened in that buckhead.
		It's called, that's where the GOP headquarters were.
		All eyes in the whole world had turned to Buckhead, this one office building where I was.
		And we didn't even have a desk.
		There wasn't even a law firm.
		I went out and bought myself a computer, sat down there.
		And it's Saturday of the election.
		Both Senate seats are now underwater.
		So the U.S. Senate's in the balance as well.
		And, you know, finally, we're beginning to get some sort of ground control where people are now reinforcements are coming up from Florida, the lawyers, and we can kind of get some command and control.
		And I have to go out and get lunch with a guy at Pizza.
		I come back and the office is dark.
		It's just like everyone left.
		It's like, wait a second, we're in the middle of a presidential election.
		The thing's obviously kind of rigged and stolen.
		You think people are working 24 hours?
		Like, I worked in these big law firms in New York.
	You know, I worked 18-hour days.
	Like, we were just humming the whole time.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Where was everybody?
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		The office lights are off.
		They were at the Georgia football game.
		Go dogs.
		Yeah.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		So there was like a gut-level commitment to the cause, it sounds like.
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		No, people had left, and it was like, what is going on here?
		So I reached out to Johnny Mac at the White House.
		I said, we need a field general down here.
		Get me Doug Collins, get him on, you know, and ask the president to put Doug in.
		And sure enough, the next day, people had snapped too.
		They had gotten the word at the White House that everyone had walked out.
		The idea was we're going to take a breather.
		I think the word had come down from the RNC headquarters to cut bait on the president in sometime mid-Saturday morning.
		They had the famously, Trump victory had, you know, shifted into Senate victory and they cut Trump off.
		And so he thinks people are fighting all around the country while people are walking out on him in real time.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		And I'm there's a reason he hired Rudy Giuliani because there was no one else left.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		I mean, Paul Dance is standing in the balance.
		And that's where, you know, I'm like, what is going on here?
		That Sunday morning, finally, people kind of began to come in.
		And I kind of liken it to almost like when Christ was crucified.
		And who were the people who came first were without fear were the women?
		And that's where I met MTG for the first time.
		Marjorie Taylor Greene on a Sunday morning in Buckhead.
		And she could have been up in Washington.
		She had just won.
		She could have been measuring her drapes and everything.
		That woman wanted to get to the bottom of what just happened on Tuesday.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		That's what she's like.
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		So it was her.
		It was Cleta.
		It was Jenny Beth Martin.
		These were the people standing up.
		And we had no infrastructure in place.
		It was basically they had cut bait on the president.
		So I've been there when everybody gave me.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		What was Lindsay doing at this point?
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		You know, he was making feckless phone calls or something.
		And he ultimately had this famous phone call with Rafus Berger, which if you had actually been a lawyer, you'd be like, that's the last person you should be getting on the phone call, telling the president to get on the phone with, because that guy's adverse to us.
		Yes, they're going to tape you.
		You know, they're going to try to set you up.
		Don't you understand what went down here?
		So it was almost extraordinary that he could kind of pantomime that he was doing something on election integrity.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		But he was undermining Trump.
unidentified		Yes.
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		Ultimately, he was leading.
		I think that this man's M.O. is when he couldn't frontally attack Trump.
		He said, I'm going to infiltrate Trump and then I'm going to walk him in down the path of danger.
		And like, hey, Mr. President, why didn't you call up the Secretary of State and see if you can find some votes?
		That's a great idea, sir.
		Why didn't you do that?
		And it's like, it's like a setup artist almost.
		But, you know, for anybody with their head screwed on, it was, it was asking for trouble.
		And of course, you know, then J6 precipitated after that.
		And so by the end of the term there, everybody walked away from the man.
		And, you know, I was there January 20th at Joint Base Andrews to see President Trump off.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		So I have, I've got, so I just want to replay what he said or just say it out loud.
		After January 6th, like Lindsay just absolutely abandoned Trump, like immediately.
		Yeah, he blamed it.
		He said it'll be a major part of the presidency.
		It was Trump's fault what happened on January 6th.
		And of course, now we know with 230 FBI agents in the crowd, maybe it's not that simple.
		But we don't know that because Lindsay pointed that out.
		I mean, Lindsey could have at any point tried to get to the bottom of how many federal agents were in the crowd on January 6th.
		Everyone knew that was happening.
		I said it, probably got fired for it, among other things.
		But it was just obvious from the very beginning that this was a setup.
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		No, he gave his famous I'm done speech.
		And, you know, the first part of that speech is interesting because he knocks South Carolina.
		He likes to first start out by saying, my state's often the cause of the problem.
		So first he throws South Carolina under the bus, and then he basically says he's done with Trump.
		And, you know, the meanwhile, those of us are like in the engine room, like my grandfather, trying to keep this ship going, MAGA, keep the U.S. government running.
		You know, we're in full peak COVID.
		And, you know, like I say, to have this guy now got full six years in the Senate, got everyone to say vote for him.
		I mean, I had my neighbors coming up to me and saying, Paul, should we vote for Lindsey Graham?
		Can you really do that?
		I mean, that's a heinous decision.
		When you go into the ballot box in 2020 and you look at the Republican line and it's Lindsey Graham and you're a Republican, and that's why I'm never going to let that happen to me again.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		No, no.
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		That's why I'm standing up.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Because it's just all fake.
unidentified		Okay.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		So this is my last series of questions, which is like I have, I asked around before this interview, because I'm not a political expert, despite being around it my whole life.
		I don't really understand it that well.
		I don't understand how Lindsey Graham could have a shot at reelection.
		I called around.
		Oh, no, Lindsey's in good shape.
		I think it's a measure of how much money he has.
		People assume the more money you have, the more likely you are to win.
		That's not true, ask Jeb Bush.
		But he does have institutional support.
		Like there are office holders in South Carolina who are endorsing him, right?
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		Well, not that many.
		Look, we are going to do this.
		I want to make clear to people.
		We announced in August 1 or July 30th, and our numbers have already doubled.
		Ultimately, yes, we need to get the financial backing to get people, your listeners, to get behind this.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		You have a year, so we're taping this the first Tuesday in November.
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		So you've got June 9th, 2026 is Liberation Day for South Carolina.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		June 9th is the primary.
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		Primary.
		And we are moving up on this guy.
		If the election were held tomorrow, we'd be in a runoff.
		Like South Carolina, if you get less than 50%, it's an automatic runoff state.
		There's a reason why President Trump is doing his first fundraiser for Lindsey Graham, notwithstanding the fact that this man has 15 million in the bank.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Where in South Carolina is that fundraiser?
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
		It's in Florida, interestingly.
		Yes.
		They're going to do it on a golf course in Florida away from the actual South Carolinians.
		Look, we need support.
		I'll be frank.
		But I think people bemoan the money that Lindsay has.
		And I know that I've had confidential discussions with people saying that various interest groups are ready to come in for this guy to the tune of tens of millions, whatever it takes.
		But, you know, I think I was thinking about the parable of the three servants, really, and that you need, as Christians, we need to invest our money, you know, in people who are going to fight for our values.
		And that's where I'd ask folks out here listening, like, invest in our campaign.
		Get behind us.
		We are, our message is really clicking with both the youth, the under 30 people who they need to own a part of America.
		Not only do we need to end these endless wars, which I'll do right away, but make this life, this American dream affordable again for this generation to come.
		Let them dream of having a family and actually be able to do it.
		And then, like I say, get to the bottom of J6, get to the bottom of COVID, get to the bottom of the Russia hoax, get to the bottom of 2020.
		Let's actually get accountability in government from a guy who stood up Project 2025.
		And I've changed the world through that.
		You know, that as the architect of Project 2025.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		And just stop the humiliation.
		You know, South Carolina is one of the best states that we have.
		People move there.
		I have family who move there.
		People just like South Carolina.
		It's great.
		It's pretty well run, pretty reasonable, beautiful, of course.
		The Republican primary is the election.
		A Republican's going to have that sentency.
		We know that.
		So it should be a great Republican.
		It shouldn't be the worst Republican, probably second worst after Ted Cruz, because at least Lindsey is charming.
		But it shouldn't have, the best state shouldn't have the worst senator.
		Like this is a humiliation exercise meant to demoralize the rest of us.
		I really think that.
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		Well, if you want to honor Charlie Kirk's memory, this is the best way to do it.
		Charlie was in South Carolina three weeks before he was killed saying exactly that.
		He said, South Carolina, you need a new senator.
		And he said that, you know, turning point action was going to be on the tip of the spear of turning out rhino senators and Lindsey Graham.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Well, Charlie and I talked about this topic quite a bit, quite a bit, until right before he died.
		Yes.
		And so I hope that people will get behind your campaign, you know, because I think it's important that you're obviously much more qualified and much closer to the spirit of most Americans, but it's also just so important to stop this, just to say no.
		Like this is, if you don't stop people like Lindsey Graham, and he can go be on the board of Raytheon and go to bathhouses across Eastern Europe, whatever his future might hold, probably a lot more fun than serving in the Senate.
		And get sober.
		My gosh.
		But if you don't stop this, if you just like allow the guy to get reelected to the Senate at 71 years old with an anti-American platform, that's like a sign to everybody else that like, oh yeah, you can just piss on America.
		Like there's nothing that people can do about it.
		There's no change is possible.
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		This is the barometer for whether MAGA lives or dies.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I totally agree with that.
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		This is this is really, look, I built Project 2025.
		If you like what President Trump's done in these first nine months, it's because I organized a couple thousand volunteers under the auspices of the Heritage Foundation, brought together 110 member coalition of the right and basically made these building blocks, these prefabricated policy and personnel to go in and hit the ground running.
		And that's why he came out gangbusters and it allowed him to get this head of steam going and get world peace.
		Like this is why he's a world beater because we actually prepared.
		I'm the one who was able to use this platform and take my MIT training.
		I was trained as a city planner and the vision of Daniel Burnham, who's the famous architect who did Union Station.
		It was this notion of we need to make no little plans.
		We are saving this republic.
		They lack the magic to stir men's hearts.
		We have to give them a bold vision.
		And that's what Project 2025 was.
		It allowed the president.
		And now we know so much of what he's doing is coming right out of that book.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		For sure, though no one wants to admit it.
		Yeah.
		So how can, final question, how can people who support the program you just described and think that it's so essential to stop this insanity before we have like World War VI, how can they support your campaign?
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		Look, get to pauldans.com.
		You know, we obviously love you to invest in the campaign.
		Support us if it's $20 a month, if it's $100 or everyone, get behind this.
		Like this is the time you need to invest in your country.
		Lindsay is not a South Carolina problem.
		He's an American problem.
		Definitely.
		And all of us have to drive him out.
		There's good patriots all over the country.
		They know what Paul Dance did to build Project 2025.
		And they know that that is why so much of what Trump's doing right now is coming directly from our work.
		To, you know, get behind us on the media.
		If you can't afford it, like push out our message, you know, share it on Facebook, share it on X, and prayers.
		Finally, three prayers.
		We'll take prayers.
		But this is all within our reach.
		This is going to happen.
		I believe.
		And we have a welling up of support, particularly the youth.
		They really need a future.
		So many people can't even envision getting out of their garden or apartment or being able to own anything, let alone get married and have a family.
		That's elemental American dream.
		And that we are sending our kids forward into this is outrageous.
		I have to stand up in this moment of time.
		Look, I'm leaving five kids on this earth one day.
		And they need the future that was their birthright.
		And that everyone who laid down and gave that ultimate sacrifice, whether they died on the battlefield or they died building something or they just labored as an anonymous woman, they deserve a future in this country.
		And that's what we have to pass on to the kids.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Do you have any billionaire oligarchs backing you?
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		Well, hopefully a few of them are listening to this show.
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		But look, you know, I would say- Because Lindsay has that.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		That's one thing he's got.
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		Look, what Lindsay did.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		If you made a fortune, I don't know, on debt, putting people into slavery or like hooking them on gambling or something.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		You're definitely using your billions to support Lindsey Graham.
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		Well, look, this man got us a $38 trillion breaking point.
		This country is in physical, fiscal, dire straits.
		If we collapse, the whole world goes down with us.
		This is all these foreign adventures that this man has led us on in the 32 years of his endless war chair leading and the deficit spending.
		Those are coming home to roost.
		And it's, you know, life is tough out there, notwithstanding what some people in the White House are saying.
		It's expensive.
		Things have not like I go to the grocery store every day.
		You know, I fill up.
		And if it's shocking me, what's it doing to the people who are paycheck to paycheck?
		And we have to get real.
		Like today's election day, let's see what happens tonight because the kids and the generation, they're moving left because the left is actually talking about real pocketbook issues.
		You know, the promise here with Trump was to return the government to the people.
		And it's time is burning.
		Like we need not only action at the Justice Department and getting answers and actually doing things, but we need to like actually stop spending money on these follies abroad and start building America.
		Let's get the country of milk and honey flowing here.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		You got my vote.
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, Tucker.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Paul Dance, thank you very much.
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		My pleasure.
paul dans ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate her.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		We've got a new website we hope you will visit.
		It's called newcommissionnow.com, and it refers to a new 9-11 commission.
		So we spent months putting together our 9-11 documentary series.
		And if there's one thing we learned, it's that in fact, there was foreknowledge of the attacks.
		People knew.
		The American public deserves to know.
		We're shocked, actually, to learn that, to have that confirmed, but it's true.
		The evidence is overwhelming.
		The CIA, for example, knew the hijackers were here in the United States.
		They knew they were planning an act of terror.
unidentified		In his passport is a visa to go to the United States of America.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		A foreign national was caught celebrating as the World Trade Center fell and later said he was in New York, quote, to document the event.
		How did he know there would be an event to document in the first place?
		Because he had foreknowledge.
		And maybe most amazingly, somebody, an unknown investor, shorted American Airlines and United Airlines, the companies whose planes the attackers used on 9-11, as well as the banks that were inside the Twin Towers just before the attacks.
		They made money on the 9-11 attacks because they knew they were coming.
		Who did that?
unidentified		You have to look at the evidence.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		The U.S. government learned the name of that investor, but never released it.
		Maybe there's an instant explanation for all this, but there isn't, actually.
		And by the way, it doesn't matter whether there is or not.
		The public deserve to know what the hell that was.
		How did people know ahead of time?
		Why was no one ever punished for it?
		9-11 Commission, the original one, was a fraud.
		It was fake.
		Its conclusions were written before the investigation.
		That's true, and it's outrageous.
		This country needs a new 9-11 Commission, one that actually tells the truth and tries to get to the bottom of the story.
		We can't just move on like nothing happened.
unidentified		9-11 Commission something did happen.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		We need to force a new investigation into 9-11 almost 25 years later.
		Sorry, justice demands it.
		And if you want that, go to newcommissionnow.com to add your name to our petition.
		We're not getting paid for this.
		We're doing this because we really mean it.

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