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Oct. 20, 2025 - The Tucker Carlson Show

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Covid Whistleblower: Predicting Pandemics & Exposing the CIA and Peter Daszak’s Alliance With China

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tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		So I think most people have concluded that the creation of COVID was probably not what they told us.
		It probably didn't evolve naturally out of a pangolin in a seafood market.
		And that the Wuhan Institute of Virology probably played a role.
		The US government played a role, but it is impossible to find anyone, or has been for us anyway, to find anyone who has kind of like direct connection to any of the of the main players here.
		And none of them will do an interview.
		None.
		You were the vice president of the Eco Health Alliance.
		Um, your former military guy tied to the Intel world.
		You worked at federal nuclear lab in New Mexico for years.
		And then you wind up, and you're your scientist PhD, uh, and then you wind up working for Eco Health Alliance in New York City.
		You think it's like this World Wildlife Fund operation designed to like track diseases among wildlife globally and protect the wildlife, protect the people.
		It's like kind of a crunchy outfit.
		It's do-gooders, basically.
		You show up there, you help them raise a bunch of money from the feds, and you become the vice president, and then you discover it's not what you thought.
		So that's the story that you told me at breakfast, which was an amazing story.
		Thank you again for coming.
		I'm gonna bow out now and let you continue the story from there, assuming I've been faithful in my rendition of of it so far.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		That's perfectly accurate.
		And thank you for having me.
		This is oh gosh, sort of like a dream about it.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, I'm so excited you're here.
		And because this has been gnawing at me, um, you know, where did COVID come from?
		And how was the US government implicated?
		I clearly was, but you never meet anyone who can say that they know the players, but you do.
		So with that, you show up there, you become VP of Eco Health Alliance, the now famous Eco Health Alliance.
		And when did you start to realize this wasn't the World Wildlife Fund?
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		Surely after I was working there.
		So I was hired as a senior scientist to take over a well, I learned after the fact I sort of lied to, but it was a failing department that was doing predictive forecasting and analytics.
		And after I brought in all that money from the Department of Defense, I actually sort of saved Eco Health Alliance.
		It was financially on the rocks.
		Uh that $4 million really transformed the organization.
		And with that, and in my expertise in technology, I was actually improving uh the systems and technology company-wide.
		Uh Peter Dasick, who is the pre president or CEO of uh Eco Health Alliance, liked everything that I was doing.
		He was very impressed.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Peter Dasig is like a figure out of history now.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I mean, Peter Dasik is like at the very center of COVID.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
		And we'll we'll get to that.
		Uh so Peter promotes me to vice president, and then I started attending executive meetings and I get involved in all the different other aspects of the company, or at least visibility to what's going on.
		The main driver of funding of Eco Alliance was from this program called Predict.
		And Predict was funded by USAID to go and conduct uh global surveillance of infectious diseases to predict and forecast emerging pandemics.
		At least that's what they were telling everyone they were going to do.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		That seems like a virtuous thing to do, by the way.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		No, and it seemed completely virtuous.
		And I I had actually been doing that type of research my entire career, um, at least as a scientist and engineer.
		And I was doing that type of work at the national laboratory.
		I continued that work uh funded by the Defense Threat Reduction Agency when I was at Eco Alliance.
		That's where the first big check comes from for 4.6 million dollars.
		And once I'm promoted and I'm looking at this USAID predict program, I decided to go dig into the literature uh and all the technical reports to see what this is and how it actually works.
		And I read through this this phone book of material, and I I assess that it's a giant boondoggle.
		There's no way that they're going to be able to predict or forecast infectious diseases.
		They weren't collecting um enough samples globally or in the countries that were they were collecting them.
		Uh they weren't uh collecting the data on a systematic and routine basis, which is one of the fundamental core concepts in in biosurveillance.
		And you start to ask a question, well, what so this is your area.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I should just say, like you've done A lot of research into how do you model this out?
		Like how do you collect the data?
		How do you analyze it?
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		I I make the bold claim that I'm probably one of the world's leading experts in the area.
		I'm one of the few people to actually predict and forecast uh infectious diseases before they've occurred.
		And I've done it in peer-reviewed literature, and I was actually so bold when I built my models and tested them.
		I actually had public had this published in, I think it was the the The Guardian newspaper in the New York Post uh before the outbreak hit.
		And this was the the Zika remember Zika virus?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Very well, yeah.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		I was working at Ecouth Alliance and one of the models that I developed actually forecasted the amount of Zika virus that we'd receive in the United States and where specifically.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		And I published that before it happened.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		So you you were very familiar with the technical details of a study of this kind, of monitoring of this, like how big is the sample have to be in order to do this.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		Well, uh so the devil's always in the details.
		It depends on the the characteristics of the infectious disease agent.
		So you're talking about the population, where that population is located, the type of infrastructure.
		There's a lot of technical nuance because it's how healthy is the population, what is the probability that they'll be exposed to something?
		Right.
		And then uh what will be what were the the what are the likely transmission dynamics within that population?
		And does it have uh the ability to go from a small isolated outbreak to an epidemic to a pandemic?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		So, but because this is your specific area, you look at the details of what Eco Health Alliance, your new employer, is now doing, and it's immediately obvious to you, like instantly obvious that this is not real.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		It wasn't real.
		And the the real crazy aspect of here is that once I'm promoted, I'm going to all these different meetings with uh the funders of the program.
		So Dr. Dr. Dennis Carroll, who was the program manager, program director at USAID, who had a very close relationship with Dr. Peter Dasik, and these fundraising events we're doing where we're telling everyone that we're going to go uh we're going to forecast and predict uh uh these emerging infectious diseases that can cause pandemics.
		And I'm sitting in the audience and I'm watching my boss and these other people telling everyone that they're doing this.
		And like I mentioned, if you look at the technical reports, it's just very clear that this is not technically possible.
		So it's it it it it begs the question, you know, as me being an ethical person and a good scientist, an engineer, what are we doing here?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Right because we're not doing the thing we said we were doing.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		And you know, it gets sort of darker than that real quick.
		So once I'm sitting in these executive meetings, one of the first meetings that I sit in is a fudget, a a budget, a budget forecasting uh meeting meeting budget, though.
		That's yeah, it is fudgy made a good Freudian slip.
		Uh a budget and forecasting meeting for the company.
		And each vice president in charge of the area is going around talking about our budget, how our employees are doing uh you know, operations types of things, typical corporate stuff.
		And you know, I asked the question because I'm well, how much money are we spending on uh wildlife conservation?
		And because when I interviewed at the company and all our branding and marketing messaging was that we're doing infectious disease research to protect wildlife and engage in conservation activities or something to that effect, and the room goes quiet, and you know, I'm looking at everyone, and why is everyone sort of staring into space or staring at me?
		And eventually Peter Dasik looks at me and with sort of a maniacal laugh says, We're not doing we're not doing any conservation work and this is like a nightmares.
		Yeah, and I'm just I'm just shocked.
		And it, you know, I I came directly from the the national laboratory system, uh Sandy National Laboratories, and I was trying to get away from uh that type type of work.
		I was actually excited to go work at a crunchy granola nonprofit organization where I was protecting wildlife.
		Yeah, and as we as we were discussing earlier, we're both avid uh outdoorsmen, we love nature, that kind of thing.
		And I thought I was gonna get into more of that.
		I was excited, like, hey, maybe I'll get a chance to have a trip out to the the woods or the jungle and go protect some wildlife.
		And I hear this and I'm like, okay.
		And uh, you know, I I digest it.
		I of course I don't say anything.
		It's my boss, my other the other executives.
		And then it drives more questions.
		You know, well, what what are we doing here?
		And so I I sat and sat in more executive meetings, I learned more, and I I quickly, you know, learned that we were sort of functioning as a beltway bandit type of operation, meaning that we're trying to get large car uh contracts and grants in our area, which is in theory predicting and forecasting um infectious diseases,
		but really what we were doing was um the simplest way of explaining is that we were running around uh the planet collecting infectious disease samples to build a bank or a library of infectious diseases, which was odd.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry to keep laughing.
		It's so this is so dark.
		I don't, that's a I can't help it.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		Well, it was odd from the standpoint I was still looking at this as a scientist trying to figure out what we were doing.
		And there's not a ton of publication value in um cataloging infectious diseases.
		You can get one simple publication from identifying a new or novel pathogen in a species, but it's sort of a one and done thing.
		It doesn't really drive um future research, right?
		So if you you find you discover something, it's great you found it, it's a publication, but that's not going to drive your next cycle of funding.
		Because typically you want to be very strategic about this.
		Well, then if you start to look at the other portfolio uh of research at Ecoeth Alliance and what some of my peers, other vice presidents and in their areas of research, what they're up to, and the the places where our employees had joint employment or co-employment with in the work that they were doing, it became apparently obvious.
		Uh we're engaging in gain of function research uh and and viral discovery to make new novel pathogens.
		And I wanted nothing to do with it.
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		So you're rather than like predicting the threat to human and wildlife populations, you're actually just creating new deadly viruses.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		And the this is not what they advertised on LinkedIn.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		No, this is well, it wasn't even LinkedIn.
		It was actually after your website, but uh you get it.
		The the the funny part is if you look at the gain of function work and how they were even spinning it, was that they're trying to even make the argument scientifically in the peer-reviewed literature that this gain of function work that they were doing, and this was through Dr. Ralph Beric's laboratory at the University of North Carolina, uh, that they could model and simulate pandemic potential from the Gain of Function work.
		And that in itself is a scientific fraud, in my opinion.
		It's not really possible to predict how a disease will spread in the community, um, either of animals, humans, uh, wildlife from looking at the genetics and doing gain of function work.
		But that's what they the argument that they were effectively making back to the U.S. government and other sponsors of our research portfolio.
		Um in my book I discussed this, but you know, Dr. Anthony Fauci gets a lot of the blame um for this GAN of function work.
		And I wrote numerous uh whistleblower complaints.
		I think I wrote uh whistleblower complaints to every US agency involved, uh DOD, DHS, USDA, fish and wildlife, um, it's a long list of CIA, which we can get to uh in a little bit.
		So it's very clear that the research that we're doing had an earlier Origin than Dr. Anthony Fauci.
		And that's really USAID.
		And maybe the State Department formulating a relationship with the Chinese at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
		And if you follow the proposals or scientific proposals and technical proposals, which were submitted to the US government and trace that back, and I have all the original documents to prove this, it looks like the path for developing the gain of function partnership with the Chinese bioweapons laban around 200 10 or 11.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		What was the purpose of that relationship?
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		Well, at the time, I had no idea.
		And this is specifically I'm talking like 2000 uh 15, 2016.
		Right.
		Fast forward to today, I have much more information where I can sort of, you know, I thought about this in great in great detail and had a number of other interviews, and I came to the conclusion that uh the purpose the real purpose actually of EcoEath Alliance doing this gain of function research with the Wuhan Institute of Virology was for us to collect intelligence on the Chinese bioweapons lab.
		And you know, I had this very interesting moment when I worked at EcoOath Alliance where it was it was around the holidays, I think it was in in late 2015.
		Um I was working late to finish on a project, and Dr. Dasick uh was working late on a project.
		And actually, as a coworker, um working with Dr. Peter Dasick was fantastic.
		He was uh extremely hard worker, very diligent.
		Um, he knew knew the publication game, he knew how to woo the people, the program sponsors that were uh funding our work.
		So professionally, I I loved working with him in that aspect.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Smart.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		Very well, I would say cunning.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		I don't think he was much of a scientist.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		Actually, I think he's very weak as a scientist and engineer, but uh in terms of a project manager and a program manager, uh, he was very, very strong.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		So we're leaving, we're locking up the office, we're in the vest vestibule up on the 15th floor of our our building in New York City.
		And he goes, Andrew, do you mind if I ask you a question?
		It's my boss.
		Sure, Peter, go ahead.
		Well, somebody from the CIA approached me, and they're interested in the places we're working, the people we're working with in the data that we're collecting.
		Do you think it's a good idea that that I that I speak with them?
		And he just said a lot of things, which just set off all my alarms because I came from the, you know, I'm a product of you know, so the so-called deep state of the national security complex.
		I held the top secret clearance.
		And here's my boss telling me that he had a side conversation with the CIA, and I have all these immediate thoughts.
		Does he really talking to someone from the CIA?
		Was it someone pretending to be from the CA CIA?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		Because I'm like, does this guy know what he's dealing with?
		And um, you know, I had had to say something.
		I said, Peter, it never hurts to speak with them.
		There could be money in it.
		And it was, I think a very honest direct assessment of what he had just told me.
		We made small talk, we went down uh the elevator and we went our separate ways.
		I walked home to my my place up on the 40 45th uh street, and that was the end of it.
		Well, over the next you know, several weeks, uh, in between meetings at the coffee cooler, I had to ask Peter, I'm like, hey, how's that thing with the CIA going?
		And you know, you know, he wouldn't say much, but you know, the you know, sort of indicated that it was progressing.
		And about the third time I asked him, he was mum about it, he didn't want to he didn't want to talk about it anymore.
		And so I don't know if he was trying to tell me what he was actually up to because I was from that world, or um, if he just really wanted my honest opinion, I I have no idea.
		But now, fast forward to SARS-CoV-2, COVID and everything that's happened, it's very clear to me that Peter Dasick was probably used as a CI asset to uh obtain access to that laboratory in the way that we obtained access to that laboratory,
		because mind you, it was well known in my circles, going all the way back to when I was a PhD student, that this laboratory in Wuhan was the essentially the Chinese uh military bioweapons laboratory.
		So, how would you get access to it?
unidentified		Right?
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		They're not gonna allow Westerners to just come in.
		And where Senator Rand Paul and a number of other congressmen have been completely wrong about this in opinion, and I've told them so in writing, is that this wasn't uh the US government giving the Chinese four hundred thousand dollars to to conduct gain of function research.
		I mean, just think about how preposterous this is.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they don't they don't need the money.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		They don't need the money.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Right.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		So what do they need?
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		What do you think?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Technical expertise, I would think.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		And what else?
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		The actual technology.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		So the technical expertise and the technology.
		So the trade that was made is that we were actually transferring advanced biotechnology from Dr. Ralph Berrick's laboratory to the Chinese for access to the laboratory so we could collect intelligence on it.
		And some of that might, you know, fall under the the umbrella of scientific diplomacy, which I'm actually a huge proponent of, but not with the Chinese.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		So I don't know.
		I have no, you know, I have no way to evaluate what you're saying, but except against things I've seen in other areas, and that is exactly how the world works, what you just said.
		That is that is that's how things really are.
		Right.
		Is the US government makes deals with people that they not really on their, you know, whoever it is, Qaddafi, Maduro, I mean, there's some long-standing and ongoing relationships with a lot of people I think the public would be shocked to know we're in relationship with, but the motive is always the same.
		The closer I get, the more intel I can gather.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		I think your your assessment of the the global scheme of which how the US government operates and formulates relationships is accurate.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I've seen it.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		And I think a lot of that is doctrine.
		You know, they want to try to obtain close relationships with the highest ranking government officials possible.
		And sometimes the the methods and how they do that are questionable.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		But it's always the same.
		I mean, you'll be this literally happened to me the other day.
		You're talking to, you know, well-informed person, and they're like, Oh, yeah, yeah, I knew so and so.
		It's like, what?
		What how in the world were you connected to that person who's bad?
		Kind of the human equivalent of the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
		And it's like, well, because like that person is someone who has a lot of information that we want.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
		And I've I've met a number of intel agents from various agencies that that showed me pictures of the very high profile evil people that they're working with.
		Of course.
		And I I actually have no problem with that.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Omar Qaddafi was working with Mossad and CIA.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		So of course, and I'm not even attacking anybody at all.
		I'm just saying that is the actual truth of the world that I have seen personally.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		So and I I agree with your truth.
		And I think the the more questionable part here is why are we giving advanced technology to our enemies?
		And where this this really gets strange is that back when I did work at Eco Alliance, I did object to working with the Chinese.
		So the next phase of predict funding is coming along, predict two.
unidentified		Okay.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		So Predict is the program that you described earlier that supposedly monitors global wildlife populations to get a head start on preparing for a pandemic.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's to predict and forecast it.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Predict and forecast it.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		So maybe maybe get a head start could be a more accurate framing or at least have an assessment of what's circulating area.
		That's probably a fair characterization.
		But Predict 2, they're basically going to continue this boondoggle operation and expand the portfolio research with China.
		And once I was promoted to vice president, they put me onto the PRIDIC program at my own request because it was sort of the sexy thing that Equal Health Alliance was doing, and I wanted to be a part of it because yeah, you get my name on more publications, more notoriety.
		And they wanted to make me a country coordinator.
		And I ended up being the uh one of the country coordinators for um Sudan, and then also Jordan and then Peter Dasik floated that I uh help him with China.
		And I when that came up in the meeting, I said, I want nothing to do with this.
		I'm you know, still my top secret clearance is a good standing.
		I object to us doing the work with China.
		And I actually said in the meeting, I'm like, aren't you the slightest bit concerned that the Chinese are gonna do something nefarious, like they're gonna steal our intellectual property.
		Um, the Chinese have a pattern of lie, cheat, and steal.
		So why why do we want to do this work with China?
		And I said that in the executive meeting.
		And I was trying to protect the company, more so even just the national security risk side of it.
		I was trying to protect the company.
		And you know, Peter gave a very uh political response that you know, the the work with China is very important, and there this this relationship that we have with the Chinese is very important.
		really, I think the the only thing that was important to Peter is the fact that this Chinese at least cut out of the bigger contract was a lot of money.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, he had already been sort of flipped as an intel asset to collect the Chinese in the lab, but this wasn't going away, and this was all the the window dressing to make it look legitimate.
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		Yeah, I again I don't have any background information, so like you could tell me anything, but everything you're saying sounds right to me, just based on what I have seen.
		Can I just back up a tiny bit and ask some practical questions about what EcoHelp Alliance was doing?
		So you said um before you got to the portion where they were acting as an Intel asset, which sounds right.
		Um you said they were compiling, collecting a library of viruses from around the world.
		How does that work exactly?
		Like how do you collect a virus in a c Sudan, for example, any country?
		How do you do that?
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
		So it's a I guess in my mind, it's very straightforward, but typically first you form a relationship with the diplomatic mission.
		So the embassy, the console from the United States, they might refer you to either hospitals, professors, other academics or a company country in country, or maybe you already have those relationships from past work that you've done.
		You then go on a trip to that country and you go sort of do an assessment of their laboratories.
		Um you collect sort of information, try to gauge these people have the capability, do you know what they're doing?
		Are they gonna spend our money wisely?
		So it's it's a business trip and it's very business focused, and you're assessing their their capabilities.
		Then once you have a good feeling with their capabilities, you begin the contracting process with that foreign entity.
		And if you're doing everything by the book, you run these people through U.S. government systems to make sure that they're not terrorists or evil people.
unidentified		Right.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		So we're not giving money to terrorists.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		That didn't happen at Equal Health Alliance.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Did not happen.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		It did not happen.
		Um, I found out about that after the fact as well.
		But we try to figure out who these people are, and then if they're capable, oftentimes it's universities.
		Uh either the ag school or uh at a foreign university, the veterinary school or human human medical center.
		Then we we formulate the contract, we send them the cash, and then they would either go out and collect the samples or we would travel or have our personnel travel to go collect the samples.
		So if we're talking about bats, it depends what species you're dealing with.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Right.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		But if you're set to uh dealing with bats, you set nets or traps in a bat cave, for example.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		You catch the bat in the net, and then you go out there and your personal protective equipment and you take uh fecal swabs, um, blood, saliva from the animal, and then you then package that so the the DNA will not be uh degrade and transport back to the laboratory.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		And then depending Where's the laboratory?
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		Well, it depends on what country you're working in.
		So every country had we had different agreements with contractually about who owned the samples, who would store the samples.
		And the other thing that's happening in the in the background here is that technology is advancing.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		So at one time in this type of research, you actually had to have the physical sample.
		Today we're at a point you you no longer have to have the physical sample.
		You can actually send the buy the the DNA or RNA code digitally to somebody else and they can recreate it.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Huh.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		So this field has advanced a tremendously over 10 years.
		And this is taking place, this advancement while we're doing this work.
		Oftentimes the samples then were physically transported back to the United States or mailed or shipped.
		You can mail a deadly bat virus from a third world country to the U.S. Well, there's a manual from the CDC and in USCA and HHS of how to transport samples.
		So yes, there are rules and process of how you can So almost all of that mail goes on commercial airliners.
		Typically, in and there's really not a whole lot of uh risk from a collected sample.
		For first of all, you don't even know at this point whether there's a new deadly virus present in the sample in the batch shit or in the batch of the saliva.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		You have no clue.
		Once it gets back to the United States, then it goes to at least at EcoOth Alliance, it would go to uh Ian Lipkin's laboratory at Columbia University, where he was a specialist in uh he's a pretty well known viral epidemiologist with really good lab chops.
		And um another doctor who worked with us named Simon Anthony would work with him to isolate and I well at first identify and isolate new viruses or novel novel viruses.
		So that's where it typically took place.
		Then the mechanics of this or operations of this, that information or sample would be sent to another laboratory like Ralph Berrick's laboratory, where he would continue to work down at Chapel Hill.
		Chapel Hill and do the gain of function work.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		It's just just can I just approach this from an autistic perspective?
		So what you're saying is there are like people around the world in bat caves in some faraway country sending potentially novel and dangerous viruses to New York City.
		Like all the time, and people are not even aware of this.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		There's a huge I wouldn't say huge, but I mean a non-trivial uh trivial amount of these types of samples being shipped around the world globally.
		And if they're properly contained and packaged, is it's really that much not that not that much of a risk.
		And actually, Dr. Ralph Berrick uh developed some of these methods of how to send what's called a chimeric virus on a sheet of paper and envelope, which is low risk.
		Uh the bigger risk becomes when you start to clone or replicate that agent at scale.
		Um, you know, human medicine, public health epidemiology, transmission risk.
		Now you look at this, you have to have a substantial quantity of a virus, which is you know, a substance mixed in the air or be exposed to it to become infected with it.
		Because you have an immune system that works.
		Okay.
		And sometimes you get exposed to these things and you don't even know it because your immune system fights it off.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Right.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		So the I think sometimes the risk is overblown and the fear around transporting samples.
		I think most of the time that's actually pretty low risk.
		There's been a series of uh transporting accidents which occurred act uh from 2008 to 20 uh 12 or 14, I want to say, which actually led to the the ban or partial ban on and gain gain of function research.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		What kind of accidents?
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		Uh there one of the high profile ones is that um I think it was Bacillus anthracis was being shifted shipped from one of our uh US government BSL four laboratories under CDC control um to another laboratory and it went missing and they found it sitting in the corner of some.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		No, it wasn't a porch pirate, but they found it someplace and it wasn't properly secured or in completely off the I mean we live in a world with like Chernobyl and misdiagnoses and I mean I believe in science, I think there are a lot of you know rigorous responsible scientists, but you know, people make mistakes.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I mean, over and over time and with scale, like mistakes will happen, right?
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		Well, and we actually dealt with this type of uh low probability, high consequence threat risk analysis all the time at San Diego National Laboratories.
		And the the big issue is what you you just brought up, the human in the loop.
		Usually the the engineered systems, um, you can engineer those precisely to account for some whatever probability or consequence of risk, but it's always the human making a decision or behavior action involved in the system that makes a mistake, which causes some kind of catastrophic failure.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I mean, yeah.
		So um, okay, I just was just interested.
		So then you say that they uh Eco Health Alliance was compiling a library of these viruses.
		They'd be stored in one place.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		Well, yes, they had digital a digital library at EcoAuth Alliance, and then there's other systems that they uh the US, or I should say, not only the United States, but the global uh virologist community maintain of genetic information on viruses.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Um, but the actual viruses, the living organisms that were they stored anywhere?
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		Typically, we were buying uh negative ADC centigrade freezers as fast as we could, or as many as we could afford and storing those at Columbia University and other laboratories where these things go in the freezer and they set the one nice thing is if the freezer does fail, it usually destroys all the sample in the inside because they do have to be maintained cold.
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		What's the security like at a lab like that?
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		I in my opinion, I tend to think that it's it's laughable.
		Um and I've actually laughable at most most university uh laboratories.
		If you were to do a red team or penetration test, and me coming out of the national security and being a biosecurity biosafety expert, you could get into most university laboratories.
		They they would add I heard arguments from other scientists who worked in these laboratories.
		Well, you know, we have good physical security, we have card scanners, we have this good physical.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I'd love to know what that actually would those guys actually look like.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Who the good physical security.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it I mean, if you are a motivated attacker and you're well trained, you can get into one of these laboratories.
		It would, it would not be overly difficult.
		Now, has this improved and has changed?
		Are all the laboratories the same?
		I mean, I think many of the uh BSL three or four, which are the higher level or highest level laboratories in the United States now have pretty good um or strong uh physical security.
		But when you look at what's actually happened in terms of accidents and lab leaks uh throughout history, in recent history, I mean speaking of this, you know, Ralph Barrick in his laboratory, he's had a series of leaks uh at his laboratory over years, you know,
		where people, their employees have gotten sick, and typically it's one of the people working in the laboratory is actually accidentally exposed because it's a virus that you can't see, and the way that uh disease um incubates inside a person and how and how the bio bio event timeline is we call it the amount of time it takes for a person to become sick, they leave the lab and then they become sick at home.
		And then that's when the disease becomes a transmission risk to the community.
		So that's just the the very nature of how people behave, how people work in the laboratory, how human biology and physiology works.
		I mean, this is the nature of the beast, and it it's very difficult uh to prevent those types of um risks, I guess, to the community and the greater population.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		No, this is where we have Lyme disease.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Which I got.
		So yes, no, I'm very aware of that, and I think everyone's aware of that.
		So with that in mind, gain of function is inherently dangerous.
		Correct?
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		I've always been against it.
		It it actually divides the scientific community or it used to uh pre-COVID.
		I think there's probably more scientists and experts against gain of function.
		It seems like the certainly the general population uh is against it.
		Not all gain of function technology is bad.
		Uh for example, insulin is made from a form of gain of function, and there are many diabetic people and they require insulin.
		Now, if we're talking about gain of function research on pathogens which have pandemic potential, it's it's a no-brainer, it's a it's a stupid idea.
		And this is why it splits a scientific community.
		So one camp says, there's no use to this.
		I don't understand why we're doing it in the first place, therefore we shouldn't do it.
		The other camp argues, well, if we can predict how these viruses will mutate, then we can develop countermeasures, vaccines, or drugs to counter the threat before it emerges.
		And that opinion, and I've always held this belief that that that the people who have that opinion are wrong.
		And the reason why they're wrong is that you have to be like God.
		And you have to know and be able to predict how something will e genetically evolve over time.
unidentified		Yeah.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		And if you look back through human history, it's always humans trying to correct nature, which have failed.
		The introduction of the brain brown snake and and Guam.
		I mean, there's all these things where they've uh that was a hitchhiker scenario, but where they tried to introduce some kind of predator to eliminate some kind of bad bad pest.
		Yeah.
		You see this repeatedly throughout history that we can correct um a complex system, which is nature.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		That's what geoengineering is, and that's why it's like destroying our forests because they're spraying you know, particulate matter into the air to counteract global warming, and they can't they're not God, so they're not doing it right.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		And it's well, that's interesting that you bring that up.
		So I used to work with uh the geoengineers, and I wonder how much scale it's actually occurring.
		So it and you know, people talk about uh contrails, and you know, that's that being geoengineering, it's not most of these these stations are ground-based, but it's very expensive.
		Um from a scientific and engineering perspective.
		If you were going to to launch a large-scale geo um engineering project that was um earth-based, it takes a lot of material, and that caught the material costs a lot of money.
		So I I don't think it's happening at a large scale that people believe.
		The more effective geoengineering technology exists are actually uh satellite deployed systems, which act as solar shades, and I don't think any of that exists, but we are putting more things into space all the time, and it a lot of this is either not classified or secret, but it's not exactly visible either.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		So you know, who knows what people are shooting at exactly, and there's a massive disinformation campaign against anyone who asks questions about it, which tells you it is real.
		Yes, like QAPs.
		But anyway, without getting into all of that stuff.
		So um you are asked, like, hey, Dr. Huff, would you like to go to China to China?
		And you say no.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		I say no, and it's two reasons.
		One to protect the company, and also because I wanted to maintain my security clearance and good standing.
		And when it's not that you can't have foreign relationships, but it becomes more complicated complicated for your re-investigation of the future if you have relationships with a country like China.
		And I've you know, from a national security perspective, I've always been against what the Chinese have been doing, and that's lie, lying, cheating, and stealing from us.
		And we never get anything out of the relationship, it seems.
		It's it's been a very abusive one-way relationship from the Chinese.
		And I and I knew this going back to my military days, and I had actually been invited to do other collaborative work with the Chinese at other institutions and places I've worked, sort of tied to national security.
		And I I always stayed away from it because I never saw any benefit to it.
		And well, if the government wants to the US government wants to fund this or this entity wants to find it, that's fine.
		I can protest by just not being a part of it.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		So you leave Eco Health Alliance after a few years, then COVID happens.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		And um, when it happens, everyone thinks I'm sort of the crazy one.
		And what how this actually transpires is I was working at Jewel Labs, the e-cigarette company as a senior director of population health, uh, living in the Bay Area.
		And because of what I did for a living and my expertise, you know, I catch wind of this virus uh spreading around the planet.
		It was very obvious that um people in on the West Coast were becoming sick in I want to say uh late November, December uh 2019.
		You know, another really weird thing happens.
		So I'm making more money than I've ever made in my life at this company, and I was very grateful for that, was able to pay off all my debt.
		But I received a phone call from a woman by the name of Dr. Uh Amy Jenkins, who works at ARPA H now.
		I think she's the uh assistant director there, for deputy director.
		I don't know, I can't remember what her title is, but I know Amy from years back.
		I actually met her while I was a PhD student at the University of Minnesota at a DH Department of Homeland Security Center of Excellence.
		She had shown up to a few meetings of ours.
		She was working with the Department of Defense at that time and uh the intelligence services.
		And um she's a great, you know, scientist and um very friendly relationship with her.
		And She contacts me and she informs me that she's uh now working uh with DARPA and offers me a position as a program manager in the biological programs directorate.
		And you know, I thought it was sort of odd that she had contacted me on my brand new San Francisco area phone uh cell phone.
		So I had a new phone number because they relocated and I wanted San Francisco area code.
		I didn't think I didn't think too much of it.
		And I couldn't figure out the why she wanted me to come be the director of this biological program.
		I'd been trying to get away from national security uh intelligence type work for several years, and I kept on keep on getting dragged dragged back into it, it seemed.
		And I said, you know, thanks, Amy.
		I'm not really interested in this right now.
		I'm making a lot of money.
		This pays far more than what you know, DARPA can pay me.
		I want to keep what I'm doing.
		She's like, well, you know, go home and speak with your your wife Emily.
		If you change your mind, uh, we would like to both bring you on, we'll find a home for Emily too, because she's a scientist.
		And that's very you know common in the scientific community, the two-body problem.
		And go go home, talk speak with Emily about it, and you know, give me a call back tomorrow and let me know what you think.
		So, okay, Amy, I'll do that.
		So went home and had a conversation with my wife.
		Hey, do you want to move back to the beltway or move move to DC to have you know Fed jobs and go work in that environment?
		And uh my wife had previously worked at a USCA and she didn't want to go back to it.
		And like call up Amy there and say, you know, thank you, uh, you know, for contacting me.
		I mean, at one point, this was in my career, this was actually my dream job to be running a have a blank check from the Department of Defense to go develop all the coolest biotechnology world.
		I mean, seriously, I I had dreamed of that job at one point in my life.
		I didn't want it.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		And so I told her no.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		And she's like, Well, you know, if you change your mind uh in the next few weeks, we'd really like to have you.
unidentified		You call me anytime.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		And that was it.
		Well, okay, that that phone call took place uh late September, early October 2019.
		Fast forward today with what we know is that the DARPA had held um a contest, or I I want to say not so much a contest, but put out a uh RFP, a request for proposals related to a something called preempt, which was uh preventing emerging infectious disease threats.
		And one of the proposals was something called Defuse from my former employer called Eco Health Alliance, uh, which was basically the recipe for SARS-CoV-2, which was done in partnership with the Wuhan Institute uh virology.
		So, you know, I'm sort of hopping around here, but the reason why this is important is now I believe that DARPA was actually trying to recruit me back into the program.
		So I wouldn't have done any of the things that I've done over the last four years, essentially.
unidentified		And which is tell the truth in public.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		Tell the truth in public about what the origin of SARS-CoV-2 is.
		But back going back on your your timeline here, so I had limited information back then, and I knew a pandemic was coming, so I I told my wife we need to get the heck out of the Bay Area as fast as possible.
		This kid go off the rails.
		I actually believed uh the information I seen was seeing, which I think was a sci-op potentially targeted at me that this disease would be much more severe than it was.
		I'm not saying that that it wasn't a severe disease.
		I mean, it wasn't as bad as they're making it seem meaning.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I believed it too.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		Well, they they had portrayed it though, that the something that in epidemic you mean in like January, February of 2020.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		So the they're painting a portrayal and scientifically in epidemiology, we have something called the case fatality rate.
		So of how many people get sick, how many die.
		Like this thing is gonna kill everyone.
		Like 80, 90 percent of the population could die from this disease.
		That's how they were portraying this.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Right.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		It turns out that that that number was much lower.
		And somewhere in the, you know, in the percentage category, not the 70, 80, or 90%.
		So I went real quick from thinking that this was gonna be the thing that could, you know, cripple society to being I'm not wearing a mask in public.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Right.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		But but my behavior in action in earlier uh early 2020, the first weeks, I start looking for a place in a remote area.
		So I'm looking considering Alaska, Maine, Northern Maine, uh, Western Wyoming, or the UP of Michigan.
		Um my search criteria based on what I knew as an expert.
		You want to have access to an airport transportation, high speed internet, um, an hour drive from a major center city center that's not too populated, because if it's gonna end the planet, it's gonna kill everyone, you want distance um from other people to break transmission cycles, at least so you can isolate yourself.
		So um I I bought a year's supply worth of MREs.
		I started sockpiling other things, and you know, some ammunition, make a plan, and my wife and I land in the UP of Michigan.
		Everyone, you know, sort of thought I was crazy for doing this, and next thing you know, everybody wants to come visit me during the lockdowns.
		They said they said you were right about everything.
		I know.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		And you know, I live this too.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		And in the back of my mind though, um I'm thinking about constantly that and I know that Eco Health Alliance had been engaged in this gain of function work at eco health or excuse me at the Wuhan Institute of Viral uh Virology.
		And I'm like, a back coronavirus emerging in Wuhan, and you know, I'm watching this, these watching the news and the TV at you know, through 2020, and they're like, Oh, it was a you know, uh a pangolin, or it was the wet market.
		And I'm arguing on social media that that's just not possible, that it doesn't make sense from an emerging infectious disease standpoint.
		Because a wet market in the specific wet market in China is um a seafood market.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		That's why it's called a wet market.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		Yes, but I mean, Western Americans are it's not for mammals, it's for creatures from the sea.
		Yeah, people in the United States have a very myopic view of you know the world typically.
		And oh I know I'm sitting here arguing, I'm like, this is a fish market, and in fact, I'm looking at the pictures of it and my assessment is like this is the kind of place I'd go buy groceries, you know, another New York City, a very nice, uh very nice place.
		So I'm like, none of this is is adding up, and you know, you're watching the story evolve, and next thing you know, my former boss, Dr. Peter Dasik is put on the the committee that's sent over by the World Health Organization to go investigate the origin of the disease.
		And this is getting weirder and weirder and weirder, and I know all the players involved.
		I mean, I had met and worked with um not Dr. Anthony Fauci himself, but his deputy Dr. Morans.
		I had been out to dinner with him.
		I mean, I knew all the players in this big thing.
		I mean, I had been groomed since I was a PhD student to be a Dr. Anthony Fauci replacement or that type of person.
		So I mean, I I knew all the people in and in the system and and working on these things and the program managers, the officers, the different branches of the government.
		So I'm watching this all play out, and I just can't believe it.
		And it's the kind of thing where I'm yelling at my computer screen in private.
		Like they put, you know, they put fucking Dr. Dask in charge of like investigating the origin, he's probably the one that caused it.
		And little did I know it that this was all part of the psychological operation in cover up.
		And I just start becoming more callous, entrenched about really really going on.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		So how can you un uh explain that a little bit?
		What what does that mean?
		Well why would putting the guy who had a hand in the creation of the virus in charge of investigating the origin of the virus be part of a psyop?
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		To give the perception that it's an independent person that's well trusted within the wildlife community and the scientific community that we know you're doing and can trust what we're saying.
		Because if you look at how the psychological psychological operation was waged, and the I'm not just saying the US government, but multiple entities, uh, the pharmaceutical uh industry, the big companies that back all these different things, special interests just generally.
		Um you take the guy who's responsible, you put him in charge in the investigation.
		He's certainly you know that he's not gonna tie it back to himself, but he's already been branding himself for years and decades as being a person that cares, you know, a crunchy NGO person, and he has the relationships in wealthy communities on the West Coast and East Coast, the elite to convince them that this is you know a naturally emerging disease from the wet market.
		So, you know, he's already the port point man, he's already sold everyone all this bullshit related to we're gonna go and forecast pandemics, and really he's the guy who cut caused one.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		It's really yeah.
		Thank thank you for saying I just wanted you to explain that a little more fully.
		I've again lived this, seen it.
		And it is effective because it's so shocking that someone would do that.
		It's so brazen, the Hutzpa required to do something like that.
		You take not just like some random guy, but the guy who's responsible, and you start telling everyone he's the savior.
		Oh man, that the human brain, a normal person can't is bewildered by that, is thrown off balance by that.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		Well, at least in in in my life, and we were discussing this a little bit at breakfast.
		The more of you see of this trickery, uh, the more that you're exposed to, and then they actually talk about this in in the psychological research.
		The more oftentimes the the more aware you become of a phenomenon, the more you see it.
		And then once you start seeing it, you can't stop seeing it.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I know.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		And that's how they say, you know, people become conspiracy theorists because they see see the conspiracy theorists.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		And well, that's why very few young people I think this is changing fast, but it my whole life, like young people always bought the story.
		And then you meet guys in their 70s, particularly people who'd work for the government.
		Um I've known a lot of those who would get more conspiracy minded as they aged.
		Have you ever noticed this?
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		And that's just why is that?
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		Well, experience.
		Experience and living life.
		And and I do that now.
		I'm I'm 43, and you see someone in their their 20s or 19, they have a very idealistic uh view of the world.
		And I used to be one of those people.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, tell me about it.
		I made it to my late 30s with that, you know, but mid-30s.
		But anyway, um Wow, that's wild.
		So you're sitting up at the UP with your scientist wife watching this stuff on CNN, going, you must be like going bonkers watching this.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		Well, internally, and and I would I was working on a a startup company and I was um distracted by by other things.
		And, you know, because it was I was in the UP, this was only via social media or the news.
		So I'm pretty detached from it.
		Um what happens is in late 2021, the operation interns focused towards me, because now I'm being, I think viewed as a threat based on some of the things I had put on LinkedIn at the time and other social media posts that I could I needed to be contained in some way.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		And what sort of things were you saying?
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		I so it was really Dr. Malone and I and a few other people who were trying to remain anonymous.
		I I know who they are, were just telling the truth.
		So um, first of all, um, around around the disease that this is not a naturally emerging pathogen.
		And I could tell that it was not based on a number of facts based on how this disease was spreading, the type of agent it was, the coincidence that we had been funding this exact tight type of work, and I had the original documents at this laboratory.
		It was just that their story and and how the people in involved were um saying things about the disease just which weren't true.
		And how the specifically how this type of disease would emerge.
		I mean, that's what my my PhD is in.
		I mean, I've worked in this field.
		And I knew I knew that these people knew that they were lying because these people were qualified experts as well.
		So why are these people lying about how this disease would emerge?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Great question.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		And so they would you it it drives more questions, right?
		Every time you have something that's weird or doesn't fit the pattern or isn't the thing that it's supposed to be, you ask more questions.
		And as this, you know, the timeline of COVID is uh is is happening or occurring, you know.
		So we're going through the lockdowns, they're trying to get the the vaccine operation warp speed, they're trying to do all these things.
		That's all distracting everyone from the origin question and the people involved in the origin discussions and the psychological operation of it was that in my opinion is that they were actually trying to get society bogged down in the technical details of very sophisticated scientific jargon, which very few people were qualified to understand or argue or debate, and then label it as those people were the only people who were qualified experts to be able to debate it.
		So therefore there was no debate allowed.
		And I wasn't buying, I wasn't I wasn't fucking having it.
		I was it was driving me nuts.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Because you were a qualified expert, so you didn't have to buy it.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		Well, and I'm highly competitive, and I those so-called qualified experts, I thought I was better than them.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		And I look at it where we're sitting today.
		Um, I'm sitting here in this chair speaking with you, telling you the truth.
		And I think my argument, the psychological operation I wage back against um the population via social media and other channels and how I did has been completely successful.
		I was the in I mean, from day one, I had been saying that this was a laboratory leak.
		And you look at most of the population today, everyone, I think globally believes that it came out of the laboratory.
		I think the people are tied to it, you know, are still trying to make the pangolin or natural emergency.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Funny, eco how I went on the eco health, I think eco health alliance is gone or sort of gone now.
		But on their website, which still exists, I looked at it last night.
		Um they have an attack on you, of course, lacking all specifics, you're familiar with all this.
		But on it, they say, you know, Dr. Huff makes the totally unsubstantiated claim that this uh virus escaped from a lab when we know in the scientific consensus states that it emerged naturally out of an animal population.
		Well, the next when they wrote that, they knew that wasn't true.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
		And they put out other weird smear tactics, and they had worked with the the media to smear me.
		The best my favorite smear.
		So the the day that my my publication came out, there was a story I think that ran in the the New York Post, and it claimed that um I was wrong that I had never worked in the the Wuhan lab.
		Well, that was attribution error.
		I I never I never had claimed that I worked.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		No, in fact, you just explained that you didn't want to work in China.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		But they they they that's how they were trying to scope the argument that I was a liar, the making.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		That would not surprise me.
		And I just want to say for the record, the New York Post is one of the most dishonest publications in the world and is very often used by the Intel agencies and other bad actors to lie to the public.
		It's also hilarious.
		It's a great newspaper in certain ways.
		And so it's the per and same with Daily Mail.
		Exactly the same.
		And they sort of lull you into believing them because they've got a sense of humor and they cover great stories and they're sort of vaguely right wing, but actually it's a vector for for disinformation and for lying on behalf of the Intel agencies.
		That's just what it is.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		That's most mainstream media, I think.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		It is, it is.
		But I think the New York Post and Daily Mail are at Wall Street Journal, also Fox News for sure, but they're more sinister.
		Because people believe them.
		Because hey, it's Fox News, it's the daily, it's the Daily Mail.
		It's the New York Post, especially the New York Post.
		Like everyone, headless body and topless bar, man.
		It's the coolest paper in the world.
		They wouldn't do that.
		Oh, they do it constantly.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		I agree.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		Um I mean, what do you do about it when you're the little man?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that's if you tell the truth about it, that's all you can do.
		But um, and they'll, I mean, they'll all those companies are failing and they'll all be gone soon.
		And I won't lament their passing.
		But anyway, so tell me what what they did to contain control and punish you once you started telling the truth.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		So in late uh well, the timeline's starting to get a little foggy.
		It's you know, this this has been ongoing saga.
		I think it was in late 2021 or mid to late 2021.
		I was contacted by uh some journalists.
		So journalists are trying to contact me and ask me questions because they figure they're probably wondering who's this huff guy?
		Doesn't he know what he's talking about?
		They're probably trying to frame me as a crazy.
		Uh Miranda Devine uh contacts me, pretty prominent journal journalist, and asks me on on the telephone, um, where she should look for more records related to the scan of function research.
		And because I had worked in this this field for a year and knew all the players, I'm like, I don't know.
		You know, I my gut tells me I'd go look at DARPA.
		And I believe that conversation was being listened into.
		I was I think I I believe I they're already watching me, obviously, going back um into October of 2019.
		That's when it triggers something within the Intel community where um I had found out now secondhand that there was a false allegation that someone had leaked classified information to me.
		Nobody's ever leaked classified information to me because uh one, they don't typically target the person that was leaked to, they target the leaker, okay.
		And I would be arrested and be in jail if any of that were true.
		And when I told that to Miranda Devine, this is based on my expert opinion.
		I knew the people who were finding the work, uh, preempt uh the preempt, all these different things.
		I I knew knew the players.
		So you go look at the funding sources to identify proposals or things that have been submitted.
		Um I don't know if this is related or not, but a week or two after I had that conversation, um, Major Murphy from the US Marine Corps puts out a whistleblower disclosure that uh there's this thing called the diffuse proposal, which is basically the recipe of how to make SARS-CoV-2.
		And it was done in partnership with the Chinese and a number of scientists in in the US.
		And the primary sponsor, um, the primary company engaging this work was Equal Alliance.
		So every name on the the diffuse proposal, um, I know all the I know those people, or I know of them and what work they were doing.
		And everyone discredited this diffuse proposal because this is not a real proposal.
		This looks like a joke.
		It's it's two pages.
		Um, it looks very haphazard.
		And I was started making their image people, no, this is very real.
		DARPA does business differently than other government agencies.
		They um they use this thing called High Meyer's Catechism.
		You have to answer a series of questions, proposals, they only want a page or two.
		They don't want a big NIH proposal, which is very technical, could be full length of 100-200 pages of material.
		They only typically want a one or two-page proposal.
		And I I tell people I'm like, this is how DARPA does business.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		But since nobody in the real world knows how the business works in these areas, not a lot of people you run into at Starbucks have done business with DARPA.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		And that's how they then start the psychological operation around the diffuse proposal.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		For those who aren't familiar, we just tell viewers what DARPA is.
unidentified		Yeah.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		So DARPA is the defense advanced research projects agency.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		Uh used to be ARPA before they added the D before it's an advanced research projects agency.
		It's actually made most of the coolest technology that we have, or one of the companies or entities that's federally funded that has uh the internet.
		So everything on the internet was uh developed by ARPA then or ARPANET.
		And if you are a tech nerd like me and you start digging down D the DNS queries of how you search for information, you dig down, you start pulling up the tables of information, eventually you get to something that says ARPANET in every communication that we do.
		So they make the most sophisticated sophisticated stuff in the world.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Um so it's a Pentagon funded research lab, basically.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Well, and not necessarily just a research lab.
		It um I'd call it more of a it covers a program area or series of program areas where some of the research is done by private contractors, FFRDCs, basically anybody who can who can do the work.
		And they they fund high risk, uh high high value uh scientific RD on short timelines.
		So you don't receive 10 10 years of funding.
		The the Department of Defense, rightfully so is what capability will this give us within a year or two?
		Yeah, three years.
		They have a short, short horizon, it's no nonsense, and they want results.
		And they they achieve them.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Interesting.
		Um that's a great description.
		Uh from someone who's worked with them.
		So anyway, you have this conversation with Miranda Devine, and you now believe that conversation was monitored.
		And what happens next?
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		Well, then I start because my my profile is uh increasing, and I'm starting to be actually followed by people out in the UP when I like go to the grocery store.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		Um very strange, right?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		UP is the upper peninsula of Michigan, it's not actually near the state of Michigan, really.
		It's very it's a geographic anomaly, but it is very lightly populated and extremely rural.
		It's one of the most rural places east of the Mississippi, if this is a fair description.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it's actually the the most rural place uh in the lower 48 by 48 yes by population density.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Um when you're getting followed in the UP, you know it.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
		I mean, I so I might I uh the house, the the pandemic, you know, prepper house that we that we purchased, it's 180 acres, it's off completely off grid.
		Our driveways a mile long, and it's basically like a moat.
		There's uh natural dense swamp on on all four sides because the driveway's an old railroad grid.
		Uh yeah, so it's it's very isolated.
		I joke I could throw a hand grenade off my step and nobody would notice, and because there are mines in the air, there's blasting and stuff going on, nobody would care.
		Um so that's that's where I live.
		So when you go to the gas station or you go into town, you know, a forty 40-minute drive, and you have someone follow you, have a couple of vehicles follow you, it's very strange.
		And I get on uh it was Twitter then before X, and my profile uh becoming elevated.
		So one of the first people to get in contact with me was Brett W Brett Weinstein, Dr. Weinstein, um another Yan Yaklik.
		Um they start reaching out to me.
		So the people who were uh outspoken and um skeptics around all the things start contacting me.
		And I have a four-hour conversation with Brett Weinstein and I walk them through the whole whole thing, even through the the vaccine technology, and I think how it'll cause cancer and look today where we are, it'll it's these MRNA vaccines are causing cancer.
		So, anyways, I have this great conversation, and um all of a sudden all the I feel the I can sense the pressure, you know, being applied and mounting, you know, from being followed, you know, as weird as that is.
		And because I'm a former top secret clearance holder, I decide to go report this to the FBI.
		So I go to my local FBI field office and I say, you know, I'm Dr. Andrew Huff.
		I'm a former top secret clearance holder that worked in this environment.
		I'm being tailed because you're supposed to.
		You sign documents saying that, you know, if you report any uh if you have any strange behavior the rest of your life of being tailed or you know, hacking surveillance, report it to the FBI.
		So I did.
		Uh my wife and I go in there.
		Um, they seem like they're taking it very seriously.
		And I then actually hire a private investigator to then um cross check what the FBI is doing, and there's a vehicle that's following me, and I report it uh to the FBI.
		The FBI tells me it's nothing, the private eye tells me um that vehicle's registered to the the Secretary of State in Michigan, and that's how they have undercover vehicles.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		What?
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		So that's how the FBI is undercover vehicles?
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		That or any other undercover entity, so some federal entity government agency government agency could be there, the state police, um, the sheriff's department.
		Um I now know for a fact that it was the uh state police, my sheriff's department in Marquette County, uh, and the FBI all working together um in hindsight and probably also with the Department of Defense and the CIA, which is more difficult to prove, but you can sort of see ties and tendrils uh into that.
		So that aside, um so I'm being followed, they're listening to my communications.
		Um all this is you know sort of easy to detect if you're a person who worked in intelligence and defense, you know how they they operate.
		And so I just started collecting evidence of all the the terrible crap.
		And my devices were getting hacked weekly.
		I mean, I'd have to wipe the operating systems, reinstall, and it's this cat and mouse game as technology is evolving, and and I'm an engineer, so I just start increasing my security all the time.
		And it it the sad reality is with uh consumer grade electronics that you buy from you know Amazon or wherever you get them these days.
		Um it's difficult to defend it against that with the the advanced persistent threat.
		So you're basically I spent a lot of time doing network engineering and storing programs and software because it once I get to the point where I'm writing my book, the hacks and test intensify.
		And it's definitely coming from the government, probably the pharmaceutical industry or other you know entities and organizations, and I try to investigate myself um the sources of the of those hacks, and actually know I follow the IP addresses of their VPN that they backdoor on your system, you can find out who the attacker is.
		So I I do this and I I sit on it, and it's gotten to the point where I'm ready to file a large uh federal lawsuit against the federal government, Cash Patel, who's supposedly my ally for 50 million dollars because I've identified the FBI agents and everyone involved um all the way to the top.
		I basically ran a counterintelligence operation back against the U.S. government with my training and collected the evidence to prove it.
		I even have fingerprints that I was in obtained in my house um of people who broke into my house.
		They tased my dog.
unidentified		What?
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they tased my dog during one of the break-ins.
		Um what else did they do?
		Actually, yeah.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		How do you know that?
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it leaves a big mark and a burn uh on the dog's neck.
		It was high hiding, cowering in the counter.
		It changed the one of my bird dogs.
		So this dog was actually one of the more German short hair pointer.
		Yes, a large female, about 70 pounds, uh large for that breed.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		They attacked your dog.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Okay, that's when the biggest thing.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they taste the dog and it changed your behavior.
		If she became more timid, she actually used to be sort of aggressive for a GSP.
		And um, so anyways, yeah, they they tased my dog.
		They tampered with my vehicles on numerous occasions, and this just didn't happen in the UP.
		This would happen when I go to other places.
		So if I travel for work, say I'd go to you know, Wisconsin Green Bay, California, they'd tamper with my vehicles there, uh, and and do, you know, really silly stuff, like psychologically.
		So they might just like buckle your seatbelt before you so you leave the car and then they come back to your car and everything's all skewed and they mess with stuff in it.
		So I mean it was more of a psychological operation, not like trying to kill me, you know.
		But they're they were trying to apply all the pressure that they could to make my life miserable.
		I have times, uh periods where my credit cards uh might not work.
		Uh, you show up to a gas station, try to run it to the pump, um, it won't be at work.
		So is that the bank screwing with me, the payment system?
		Um, I had the controls on my vehicle on um of I don't want to say what type of car I have on your show, but um a newer vehicle that has like automated driving, like assisted driving capabilities uh that had been taken over at low speed where I couldn't couldn't control it.
		And now I'm sort of in the of the minds.
		I'm like, oh geez, should we have self-driving cars?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		And they would actually it always let me answer that question.
		No, yeah.
		It's the end of human autonomy, right?
		And so you should have 1987 Chevrolet Silverados with the five speed manual transmission.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		You'll have to take me for a ride with that.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		That's what I drive.
		Okay.
		Sorry.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		No, no, and I thought about that.
		And so it's always this battle whether or not we should have these technologies.
		And here's the thing I want to point out.
		They didn't do the these things when I was driving at high speed.
		It happened at the same place in my driveway systematically where they were doing it to mess with me at a low speed.
		And I actually brought one of the vehicles into the manufacturer to have it looked at.
		And they took a look at it.
		Their corporate mechanic came in.
		Um and corporate mechanics are special mechanics that look for um I guess manufacturing errors in in the production of the vehicle so that the corporation can uh correct the either software or physical problem with the vehicle.
		And they gave me free repairs based on what they found, and they won't tell me exactly what they found.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		So well, this is all pretty distressing.
		And to think that you're a patriotic American, serve your country fought and was wounded in Iraq, you know, and for your government to be doing this to you because you're telling the truth, um is is really kind of like the the end.
		I mean, that that could happen.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, I I took the attitude of um I can beat these guys and I'm I'm better than they are, and I'm smarter than they are.
		So it just became a game to me.
		And I just went played the game and I played the game and I outsmarted them every step of the way because their ultimate goal was to prevent me from this story getting out to the global audience.
		And I knew that's what their objective was, and their other objective was to skew me as a crazy, right?
		So we're either gonna paint this person as a crazy, and we're gonna prevent them.
		Uh so at least my word or my voice has no impact.
		And they failed on both accounts.
		Because the the main thing is I had I had documented everything that was happening the license plates, the people following me, the fingerprints in my house, they're not my fingerprints.
		And the best part is I brought those fingerprints to the Marquette County Sheriff's Department, um, uh brought them to the FBI.
		Um, and I even had a referral from Sandia National Laboratories counterintelligence eventually to the FBI, telling them to investigate this, and they refused to run the prints.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Have they ever run the prints?
unidentified		No.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		And this is where it gets really interesting.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		So um To this day?
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		To this day.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		And I still have them.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Why?
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I guess it's probably someone from law enforcement.
		That's that's what it's probably a sheriff's department employee.
		Uh it could be uh someone politically that they uh used in the operation.
		I mean, if you look at how when they want to target someone or individual, and I'm not the first US government scientist to go through this.
		It's well documented that the person they blamed for the Bacillus anthracis attacks uh after 9-11.
		So you remember the anthrax mailings?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Do I remember?
unidentified		Yeah, yeah.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		So they pinned that to a guy by the name of Dr. Bruce Ivans.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Well, first it was Dr. Stephen Hadfil.
unidentified		Yes.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		And then it was Dr. Bruce Ivans, and they ran a operation on him, which was like COINtel pro to make him crack, and eventually he kills himself.
		He can't he can't handle the pressure.
		Well, they ran the same type of operation on me.
		I didn't crack.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I I hate to go far afield because this is an amazing story, but you brought it up, so I'm gonna have to ask you.
		Give me the CLIFs note Cliff Notes version of what those anthrax attacks actually were, which for people who are not around then killed a number of people, media employees, anthrax packed envelopes were sent to a you know, to the newsrooms of a bunch of media organizations.
		I actually got one at my house.
		Um so it was a it was a big deal.
		This was right after that.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		So someone someone who had access to Yesamra uh laboratory.
		Um Samurad.
		Uh I forget what the net the acronym stands for.
		It's the bioweapons laboratory or bio defense laboratory.
		In Maryland, correct.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		And so Dr. Bruce I Ivan worked in that laboratory.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		He worked on vaccine technology and the spores which are weaponized to be dispersed.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		And the anthrax spores.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
		And what's unique about these spores is that when they're weaponized, they go through a process called tinning.
		And what that tinning does is it makes them so that they stay aerosolized.
		Because if you have Bacillus Anthracis, it's too big of a agent.
		It just falls to the ground, it sits.
		So to weaponize it, you want to make it so it stays dispersed and light fluffy.
		Exactly.
		And so Dr. Bruce Ivens was a specialist in that.
		Okay, making these things stay aerosolized.
		And then also developing the countermeasures to it.
		So if you're a real conspiracy theorist, you'd say that someone engaged in the um false flagging of the anthrax attacks to promote the anthrax vaccine.
		Potentially.
		I mean, that's just potentially that's one theory that's out there.
		Um I I personally believe from analyzing all the different evidence that uh Dr. Bruce Ivans is not the person uh that did it um from my professional network.
		I know several persons who work direct uh people that work directly with him.
		He's very much a very soft loving kind of person.
		I don't see this person all of a sudden taking the spores out of his laboratory and then mailing mailing mailing them to people.
		They this could have been done to continue the biodefense program around Bacillus anthracis as one possible scenario.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		So, anyways, I mean we're we're sort of off track here, but so there is no um because no one was ever charged with it.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		And he as I remember, or was he charged?
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		I think they were in the process of charging him.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Well, certainly no one was convicted of it.
		Yes, right, and he killed himself.
		Well, they say he killed himself.
		He's dead in any case, but has any other like sus meaningful suspect ever emerged that you're aware of?
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		Well, I have my opinions of who was likely involved, and I don't want to defame those people.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		So I'll just and I hope you won't use names, but can you just give it can you characterize who these people were and what their motive might have been in your view?
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		In my opinion, they're likely associated with the biodefense complex, and their motive could have been to create more fear, hostility after 911 in the population.
		It could have been financial.
		Those are probably the two leading motives of as to why that happened.
		My my expert opinion.
		And actually, you know, in private afterward, they'll tell you, you know, who I think probably is involved.
		But um, me being an expert in biodefense.
		I mean, this is something of one of the first things I did deep dives on, even in fact, in my PhD course work, it was uh talked by uh taught by Dr. Mike Osterhome, who and I he and I do not see eye dye in a lot of things.
		Um he taught this in his course.
		This was a case study around biodefense.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		There's a yeah, there are a lot of bio labs outside this country, I've noticed run by the U.S. government or well, they're not really run by the US government.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		So there's this thing called the cooperative biological uh engagement program, CBEP, and there's a few other programs.
		And the idea is we engage in scientific diplomacy with foreign laboratories so our enemies do not become allied with them.
		So, for example, the the Ukraine labs.
		Uh I actually was involved in writing some of the proposals for those laboratories, and I can't say with who I'm under NDA, but um here's the here's the issue.
		If we don't engage in those cooperative biological engagement engagement programs with a laboratory like in Ukraine, there's a very real possibility that the Chinese will or the Russians will.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I get it.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I get it.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		So it's better that we're working with them.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't, but that's not crazy.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I don't think it's or certainly I understand how people talk themselves into that.
		And I don't, it's not prima facie insane or evil.
		What I find obviously insane and evil is the lying about it.
		And so, you know, the undersecretary of state said in a Senate hearing a few years ago when the after the Ukraine war broke out on camera, under oath.
		This is Victoria Newland, um, architect of the current disaster in Ukraine, that um she was worried about the biolabs there.
		So she said that on camera.
		So okay, all right, you said it, honey.
		And I played the tape and was immediately attacked by everybody, all the other, you know, CNN and all the other intel community controlled news outlets as like a conspiracy wacko, and there are no there are no biolabs in Ukraine.
		What are you talking about?
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		Same.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Like what is that?
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		I don't understand how the Biden administration handled the the messaging and the communications around the So I don't know why Miss Newland actually said the things or said the things the way that she did.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		She's stupid.
		That's one of her deepest secrets.
		She's an idiot.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		It would have been so much easier just to come out and tell the truth.
		We have this thing called the Chemical Biological Engagement Program.
		And we had relationship with these laboratories in Ukraine.
		Actually, this is published in information by the Department of Defense and other the State Department, other agencies involved.
		And you can go look at CBEP maps and see where we have these this information.
		Or you can play the game where you go look at awarded proposals, which are not classified.
		So there's ways to find this this information.
		It's it's not secret, and they're using uh private companies to uh and universities to have these relationships with these different laboratories.
		And that's that's what scientific diplomacy is about.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Why would you lie about it?
		And why would news organizations collaborate in those lies?
		Like the to me, as a non-scientist but a student of human nature, that's a tell that something's bad going on.
		Like, why would you lie about that?
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think the Biden administration was completely incompetent in all in all these areas, and I think it was looking at uh Ms. Newland specifically.
		I believe that she didn't know what she didn't know.
		Uh it was a case of that.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		And so it so there you that is one of the huge problems with being dumb.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Is you don't know what you don't know, right?
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		And so she probably couldn't articulate anything other that would be the truth without putting herself in risks of uh risk of being uh per uh perjuring herself.
unidentified		Right.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		So the I think she gave the answer to not perjure herself, not knowing what she didn't know.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Stupidity is often often the real explanation for a lot of things.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		Well, the truthful answer could have been, well, uh Senator So and so um I don't know.
		My office will look into that and we'll give you a written response within a week.
		And that's how they trained us.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, of course.
		Well, that's what honest people do, it's just tell the truth.
		But I just thought it was interesting that the media cooperated with the cover-up in that sp and many, a million others.
		Of course, but like why what is that?
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		Well, that was all part of the psychological operation because you remember this this didn't happen in a vacuum.
		They probably didn't want to undermine the public perception of the government related to the COVID origin story.
		So more of the these conspiracy theories that turn out to be true, it undermines the credibility of the main narrative that they're trying to set, which was COVID emerged from market.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Like an even bigger and dumber question, which is like why would the US government have an interest in lying about that?
		Why not?
		China is our rival on many levels, economic and military primarily.
		And we're often told that, you know, we're in a war against China, a fight with China, race against China.
		Why would the the same people telling us that go out of their way to cover up the fact that the virus came from a Chinese bioweapons lab?
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		Well, the the government's people, first of all, you know, we always refer to it as the government, but you work in Washington, DC and in this the space and any program area that a person could be affiliated with has people running it.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		Yes, those people don't want to be held accountable.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		No, that's right.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		That's not for that.
		And they they're obviously are living in a state of fear of what could happen if there were uh if they were held accountable.
		So they make decisions to protect themselves out of their self-interest, and they happen to hold some power or leverage or have the relationships to execute on that operation plan.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Totally right.
		Yeah, uh I mean, clearly true.
		So you start telling the truth, they start tailing you, tased your dog, trying to drive you insane.
		All that is very, very familiar to me.
		Um you don't feel like they're gonna want to kill you, but they want you to shut up or at least become a fringe figure that nobody pays attention to.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		Yes, absolutely.
		And it here's a just a quick story, and maybe we'll cut this in differently.
		But um, one of the funny things that they did was that uh it had been a sort of really stressful summer of of working on my book writing it.
		Uh because of the hacks and I had uh deadlines, and I'm not able to meet the deadlines because of the hacking, uh being tailed, all these different things.
		Well, my wife and I decided to go to a music festival in Chicago, and it's a decent drive, you know, six, seven hours down to Chicago.
		And while we're staying at the hotel, someone is hovering a drone outside the window of our hotel room.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		And the funny thing is, you know, I hope you flashed them.
		Um I walk around probably naked all the time.
		That's because I'm you know former army infantryman, I don't care who sees me naked.
		So and I live out in the middle of nowhere, so I'll just go outside naked sometimes.
		But um anyways, we're we're in Chicago, and um, you know, the thing is the the FBI or these federal agents or maybe state agents operating illegally weren't very smart.
		So our room faced an alley in Chicago, and there was a tall glass building next to us.
		So I look at the glass building across from us, and I can see the people operating the drone in the room above us.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		No way.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Uh so what I do, I actually put on my pants, um, go upstairs and I pound on the door and come out of this fucking room.
		I caught you.
		And I'm screaming this in the hotel room in Chicago, and I'm excited, you know, because this is the first time where I've actually been able to, you know, confront these people, and the room goes dead silent.
		So what do I do?
		I go over to the uh fire door, which is right next to this hotel room up against the stairwell, and we're on the third floor, they're on the fourth, and I make a quick um decision to sort of trick these guys.
		So I open up the this door, this heavy fire door, and I allow it to slam and I make the the noise with my feet that I'm going down the stairs.
		Actually, I went upstairs quietly and above the room to the fifth floor, and I stand there listening to the floor, and I hear cases closing, things snapping, and you know, which way are they gonna exit?
		They're obviously not going to go down the fire escape or at the end of the building.
		The only other way they're going, they're gonna go down the hallway to the next stairway or elevator.
		So I start running down uh the fifth floor ahead of these guys, and I hear footsteps and cases and things.
		Um, I heard the case of cleaning, I hear the f the footsteps coming down uh the hallway, and I get to the next stairway and I open up the door and they pop out right in front of me.
		So I said, No, but I'm up on the fifth floor and they're coming out on the fourth, and I'm looking down at him, and they go running down the stairs uh to the first floor, and I'm laughing.
		So I go over the elevator, I go down the elevator casually, and I come on the uh the the lobby like there's nothing wrong.
		And the two guys are sitting in chairs, and I walk over to him and say, Hey guys, did you see uh two guys come running down the stairs?
		And uh they have race uh like wristbands on from drinking at the music festival or bars wherever they were, following us around all day.
		And they said, No, we haven't seen anyone there, you know, to look sort of like they're sweating.
		And I go over to them, I sort of laughing.
		I go over to the desk of the lobby and say, Hey, what's your name?
		Can I get your phone number?
		I'm gonna have my attorneys call you.
		We're gonna get a copy of the surveillance footage of of these guys.
		And and I'm like, I'm gonna come back and I'm gonna buy you dinner next year.
		And she said, Okay, she gave me my information.
		He's like, why?
		I'm like, oh, it's it's not a big deal.
		So, anyways, um, that happens.
		A week goes by the next week, we're back at home, and I had trespassers on my property.
		And these sometimes the the state police and federal agents would come onto my property and just like run around the bushes around my house, you know, to like you know, freak me out, and or thinking that they were freaking me out, and I I laughed at most of this.
		So I call 911 and report the stress passers, and I'm working in my garage on some you know project, and um they're playing uh music and sounds from their phones, like trying to like get me to come out and like run after them or something.
		So, anyways, uh 45 minutes go by, the police haven't arrived, and sometimes that's not uncommon, probably for a trespassing claim in the UP of Michigan.
		So I call back and the dispatcher or the 911 operator gives me the phone number of the state police officer that is responding to the call that I'm supposed to call them on the cell phone.
		Well, I go call the phone number on my cell phone, and the phone rings in the bushes.
		No way, I'm not kidding.
		And I start laughing, and and uh they know because you could hear it like it gets shut off real quick, and I'm just like, I just caught these guys.
		Like, this is concrete evidence you can obtain from the location of the person's cell phone and the phone calls made.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I know these people ever punished the drone operators, the state cop.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		No, uh, so these people have haven't been published uh published.
		The the state cop, his name is Deputy Bray.
		I know who he is, and he has actually a family in uh Iron Mountain, Michigan.
		So I don't know how to what extent there was another person um I actually witnessed one of the state police officers uh in my house um through a black uh through a plate glass window.
		I was out working on the property.
		Uh he was on my computer trying to destroy evidence, I think.
		Um he live lives in the town on the road.
		So much of this came from the state police, which is uh the governor governor Whitmer administration.
		Totally corrupt history of working with the FBI to harass the corrupt person, yes.
		And so I don't know if they they've ever uh been held accountable.
		I know for a fact that the FBI office in the state of Michigan had been spreading rumors with uh state and local law enforcement excuse me, county and local law enforcement that I was dangerous.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		That's I mean, this is and no one was ever held accountable.
		What about your former co-workers at Ego Health Alliance?
		Where are they now?
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		I haven't checked in a while.
		So Dr. Billy Koresh, who I actually really liked, um, he was the executive vice president.
		He was second to Peter.
		He wound up at the Aspen in Institute.
		Good.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		That's the most perfect thing I've ever heard.
		Okay.
		It was either that of the Atlantic Council or Georgetown University, I knew it was one of the three.
		Okay.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		Funny.
		Um so the other vice presidents, uh Dr. Epstein or uh Dr. Olival, I'm not sure where they are.
		I know Dr. Dasick's trying to get something new going, which is basically it sounds like sort of the same thing.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		And you know, I understand why there have been a series of Dr. Dasica ever faced any penalty at all for participating in this.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		No, and the best part is that what was crazy about all this, I should say, is that I attended a number of the hearings in the COVID select uh committee in person, and I was there for Dr. Dasick's uh grilling.
		And they have the part where they go through basically he's denying that any of this is a gain of function, his involvement, and and he's fighting back.
		And then you know, it gets to the end of the congressional hearings where counsel for both the Democrats and Republicans get the chance to examine the witness.
		And during that question questioning, they actually asked Dr. Dasik whether or not he is working with the intelligence community, and at first he lies.
		He says no, that that he wasn't.
		And then they had actually obtained records that he was, uh, which was apparent I didn't know that at the time, and they pushed him on it, and then he came clean that he was.
		So it's not it's on the official record that he was working with the intelligence like me.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Craziness.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		And nobody talks about that.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		You know, this is that wasn't in the news, but that came out at the end of the hearing.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Um I guess you would have no way to know whether CIA ever gathered meaningful intelligence from the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		In my opinion, probably not.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Probably not.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		So it's so awesome.
		And I get this question.
		It's like when I worked at the National Laboratory.
		If we had anyone who was foreign to the lab, and I mean anyone external to Sandia, yeah, come to the laboratory, we would give them the give them the what I call the special tour.
		So they would have their Sandia Minder and we'd take them to an area which we had bug swept before, and then you know, we'd show them whatever we wanted to show the dog and pony show.
		And the second we left that area would be bug checked before or after they left.
		So if that's what we do in the United States, and that's our standard protocol for top secret secret environments, we we don't think the Chinese are doing the same thing.
		So you have all these U.S. government officials and and Dr. Dasick visiting that laboratory, they you know, would just take him around to him, like, oh, this is our microbiology laboratory.
		This is our, you know, this is our ventilation hood where we do sample work.
		I mean, just looking at the equipment in a laboratory sometimes doesn't actually tell you what they're working on either, because you're dealing with viruses, you can't see these things or bacteria or pathogens.
unidentified		Right.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I can see someone's kitchen stove, I don't know what they're making for dinner.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
unidentified		Yeah.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		So it you've told a remarkable story, and um you know it's remarkable because of the lengths they went to keep you from telling it.
		But with the benefit of several years, five years really, of uh hindsight and thinking about this.
		What do you think this was?
		Was this an accidental leak from the Wuhan lab?
		And they sort of backfilled after that.
		Was this something else?
		Like what what's your view?
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		So the the way that I'm trained and yeah the way that I've worked in this type of intelligence aspect of the science is you look at scenarios.
		So you come up with every possible scenario, and then you use hypothesis testing evidence to eliminate hypothesis or scenarios.
		So we're now at the the stage where this could be a few different things.
		One, it could have been a pure accident accidental release of from the Wuhan laboratory.
		And if if it's that scenario, it looks like it was a laboratory employee, potentially a graduate student who had been working um in that laboratory.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		It could have been who became infected and then spread it unknowingly.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		To the world.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		So that that is, I think the scenario which has the most favor publicly and among experts who are now committed to the fact that this is a laboratory leak.
		It could have been an intentional release.
		That still hasn't been eliminated.
		One or multiple groups could have intentionally released the agent.
		There's one troubling aspect of this there are types of studies or scientific studies which we could have ran to conclusively identify the origin of the disease in space and time.
		And this is a classic epidemiological method.
		There are blood banks and uh historical records of disease through blood donation programs globally.
		So what we do is we go to those blood banks, look at old samples, or we look at other tissues or samples that have been collected.
		And then you look through, okay, is in this location here, what time, when, and then now with modern technology, you can actually use uh more genetic um applications to look at the so because SARS-CoV-2 evolves so rapidly, you can actually look at the phylogenetic tree to see,
		you know, where in time was this sample, and you'd follow that back then with the location information you're obtaining of positive hits where the sample with positive samples were fought found to eventually eventually trace you back to the origin.
		And that study has never been done at scale, and I don't know why.
		It's another one of those questions like why haven't we done this?
		And there's a number of organizations and the US military that could look at their own genetic blood bank samples to sort of figure out where this came from and when maybe they've already done that, right?
		Because that would happen behind closed doors and the Department of Defense or the defense medical uh agencies would would do that.
		So these are questions that that could be answered and they haven't been answered.
		And I have more thoughts and opinions to what has transpired uh related to the origin of this disease.
		And I'm now at the position of that if this investigation were to take place because the world is in such a tenuous position in terms of uh the potential for World War III, that should happen in a classified setting.
		Um and then investigation should be in the form of uh uh you know using the UCMJ process with the Department of Defense because Dr. Anthony Fauci, um Dr. Dasik, uh Ralph Berrick, all these people are essentially working on a defense program.
		They're working with DOD, it falls under uh UCMJ authority legally.
		Not many people know that.
		It's not just people uniform coded military justice.
		Yes.
		So people who are working with the DOD, whether they're a civilian or government employee on a project, Project Diffuse, are subject to UCMJ.
		That's where the investigation should happen.
		It shouldn't happen at the Department of Justice.
		Um I believe that Secretary Heggseth um has the leadership to execute this properly.
		And if the investigation warrants, then criminal charges could be brought under UCMJ in a classified setting.
		So basically a classified trial, which exists, then set a time period of five to ten years to release release the results of that uh criminal criminal trial publicly.
		Obviously, if someone's found guilty and they're imprisoned, you'll you'll know that there are some wrongdoing.
		But I don't think that we're my greatest concern is that if there were more nefarious um components of this, now's not the time to really release that information publicly.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Because the world sits on the cusp of a global war.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		And and I'm I'm actually sort of following uh following the our leaders here.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		There have been a series of very balanced view, let me just say.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		Well, thank you.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		For those who would dismiss you as a wacko.
		Um I don't know what I think of that.
		I haven't thought of it until you said it, but that I think that's kind of a window into the way that you think, which is in a restrained and responsible way.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		Well, thank you.
		And the that opinion or that belief and that process uh sort of just came to me in the last week, and that's from looking at uh uh OD uh the director of national intelligence, uh Tulsi Gabber in her office,
		um, declining some fo FOIA requests from several groups related to the origin of COVID in the story and I firmly believe that uh director gabbard is on the right side of humanity and history I I'm a huge fan of hers and I've had uh some conversation with her back and forth on on social media um direct conversation like direct messages and we have some friends that are um you know friends of a friend kind of thing so I believe her heart's in the right place I can I can verify I can verify that um with through you know a decade
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		of knowing her well and she's one of the only famous people I've ever met maybe the only famous person I've ever met who not only didn't get you know doesn't own a home because she's never made any money at all because that's the last thing on her mind.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		So who else can you say that about many people.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		And so looking at her leadership right now and her office's leavership uh office's leadership and their response to these FOIA requests and their the nature of these foyer requests would actually get at some of these root issues and they're they're objecting to them and they're not releasing the information she's in the position now where she knows a lot more about what happened or what really happened than she did before President Trump was elected and she was nominated into that position and eventually became the director.
		So looking at that I think they're making the same kind of assessment that I am that of course it was a lab leak.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I mean I I don't really when you said the the portion of the scientific community so called that ascribes to the lab bleak theory that suggests that there are people who are still pushing the pangolin lie?
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely are there?
		Yes well if you go over to the other Twitter blue whatever it's called Blue Sky or I think I can't remember the name of it.
		But if on social media there are other groups of um scientists in publicly saying that this was still a uh laboratory leak.
		In fact they haven't uh retracted the it was not a laboratory leak.
		That was not a laboratory leak.
		Um that they still haven't retracted the proximal origins paper which is a complete fraud.
		Are you serious?
		No uh Dr. Ebright from Rutgers University who I admire and respect he he's fighting this the good fight every day on on social media as an old old seasoned professor should so the the whole complex of either the the pharmaceutical industry,
		the scientific community that works tightly with the pharmaceutical industry or are funded by the agencies involved in this are all opposing the natural or excuse me the lab they're all opposing the lab leak um the vaccine manufacturers are opposed to I I would believe so.
		Well not them directly because they're not making public statements on this but if you look at you know you follow the money.
		So if you look at the scientists okay and where they get their money from many of the people who are involved in mRNA technology development associated with SARS CoV-2 vaccines are in the camp of this was a naturally emerging disease.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		And I'm using air quotes around the word doctor, but Dr. Peter Jotes for example uh a vax pusher of longstanding is is he just to name one name is he pushing the Penguin lie still I don't know if he's pushing it still but I mean he was he was pushing the natural emergency theory uh quite profoundly uh every everywhere he went for a period of time.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Why would um that's such an interesting nexus why would people who are promoting vaccines want to lie about the origin of COVID.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		Trevor Burrus Well Dr. Jotes is actually a more interesting specific person that you name because he he actually has connections to the Wuhan Institute of Virology as well.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		So he's more directly linked back to um the origin story than other scientists in the vaccine yes.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		And that's in what way?
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		I I forget that he has some kind of uh either publication record with scientists there or um collaboration or research I believe.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Well he's he yeah it it's interesting you really feel like you don't know your country very well when I mean I knew people who believed Dr. Peter Jotes and I thought to myself how could this I mean this is so clearly you know not true.
		I don't know how you could believe that it was really a a divisive time in the country or a revealing time and those the truth led to division, I guess maybe it's a better way to put it.
		But anyway, but why in general leaving hotes out of it?
		Why would a vax pusher not want to tell the truth about the origin of the virus?
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		Simply that Gana function technology is used for virology and vac vaccine development and mRNA is a huge portfolio of new vaccine technology development.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		And thank you.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		That's the answer.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		And there's the funny thing is if you look at mRNA technology and its future, uh, a lot of corporations have banked in the pharmaceutical or biotech industry on MRNA being the future vaccine technology.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		And I think if you look at the rise in cancers associated with mRNA technology in the SARS-CoV-2 vaccine, and there's a new study, a recent study that came out in Korea, which is a massive cohort study with a large uh large has much has a lot of statistical power, uh, found five or six cancers that were um associated with the vaccine.
unidentified		Okay.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		And then many of these other studies looked at one type of cancer, for example, lymphoma in in Sweden, they didn't find an association, but this Korean study looked at all types of cancers and they're now finding these associations.
		So the writings on the wall for mRNA technology.
		I don't do not think that it's going to be the future vaccine technology.
		And frankly, I'm not so concerned anymore with the old way of thinking that the emerging infectious infectious disease threat that we should be concerned about are old-world diseases.
		So bacillus anthracis being weaponized, for example, um a coronavirus being weaponized, uh, gain of function technology has evolved within the last two to three years at such a rapid pace.
		The future threat we need to be mitigating against and protecting against is actually synthetic pathogens and synthetic life.
		And I don't think, and I know for a fact that most of the world isn't aware that we've actually already created single cell life.
		It exists.
		Um the paper, the seminal paper on it came out three years ago.
		So we now have fully functioning synthetic cells which are created uh with nanotechnology and some of those, and I could get in the weeds on what that nanotechnology is, which it can self-replicate.
		And so what this means, if you step back and what this means.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Wait, so man has created life?
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		Technically synthetic, yes.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		And by synthetic, what is it?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		So but if it's if it behaves independently and it's self-replicating, then aren't those the criteria for life?
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's a whole philosophical debate.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		And yeah, I don't want to believe it, so I'm happy to have the definition readjusted.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		But that would be the obvious definition of it, right?
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		And there's also synthetic cloning now.
		So you can have an agent if you know exactly a pathogen or a cell.
		And some of this isn't isn't advanced.
		So you if it's more complicated cell type, for example, you might not be able to replicate that, but you can now synthetically generate um a virus to match the virus.
		And you you so what that means is you don't have to have the actual virus.
		You don't have to collect a sample anymore.
		You can just have the code and you can generate it.
		That's where we are now.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Right.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		And that's for that's for viruses.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Now, if we're talking about tax tweet code and I can make the virus.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		And I believe we'll be there in the near future with bacteria.
		And with synthetic life, though, you can generate very radical things because what what this means is we can make uh what it would be defined as a single cell synthetic organism, which does different things that don't exist.
		And it has massive um potential good uses and bad uses.
		The good uses you could use this, um, and I could see this being popular, pop uh popular among scientists funded by uh the Borlog program at USDA where they use this for pest control and um you could you could target, make it so it was very specific the synthetic cell or organism or bacteria to parg target something like a pest, like a grasshopper, for example.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Or white people.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		Well, we're gonna get to the other side of this.
		Um that would only target a specific species defined to a geographic region, so you might not worry if it's spilling over into some other insect population in theory.
		Okay.
		This is this is this is sort of on the what I'm talking about here is the emerging future trend of this.
		Now on the nefarious side of this, how is it going to be used?
		We're no longer talking about what living things.
		So you can engineer a synthetic pathogen to attack equipment.
		So you can have it have that synthetic organism uh produce an acid that would eat metal.
		You could have it produce a biofilm which would attack metal underwater, like a submarine.
		Um this technology is being developed right now at a handful of places.
		Uh some of it's in the United States, much of it is, some of it is not.
		Most of the places it's being developed are friendly to the United States or are allies.
		But this synthetic threat is rapidly emerging.
		That so that's the biotechnology side.
		Now if you take a look at, and I know I've been watching your show recent episodes, AI is been a big hot topic, and there's tons of investment going into it.
		Um we're gonna see a fusion between this synthetic biology technology and AI.
		And it's probably on the four to five year horizon.
		And the AI will be programmed into the micro circuits systems of the the nanotechnology.
		It's a fact.
		I mean, like you're gonna use the best software, the best programs, you can get onto a basically a nanocomputer within that cell, which does the programming.
		This might sound like crazy science fiction to a lot of people, people say that's not possible.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't think anyone would say that's not possible.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		I can I can point to a peer-reviewed publication where they're doing all the components of this, and it's just a matter of time before someone gets wise and assembles it, and there's gonna be plenty of financial motive um to do this.
		So there's no stopping it.
		And that that's what I'm saying here.
		There's no stopping where this is headed.
		And the reason why I say that is that there the Trump administration um did some great work with Russia trying to negotiate a new biological treaty.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I just want to apologize in public for every moment I've defended like our economic system, because like any system that allows something like this is a bad system.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		Well, uh, I don't think so.
		All technology is dual use, right?
		It's like firearms is a classic example.
		A firearm a firearm in a good person's hand is a tool to defend and protect yourself, your family against tyranny.
		Any evil person's hand, yeah.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Nuclear power, nuclear bombs, I get it.
		But you know, you just have to assess the downside risk um realistically as compared to the upside benefit.
		And I think with the technology, well, nuclear technology, I believe this, and certainly true with everything you're describing.
		Downside risk way far outweighs any potential gain.
		You live to 110, okay.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		So I'd argue this.
		I can completely agree with with the upside and downside risk of this.
		But what I'm saying is there's no stopping it.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm by the way.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		And this is why the what I was gonna say related to to President Trump and the Trump administration negotiating a new uh biological treaty with with the international community.
		Well, one, looking at history back to the 70s, I don't think it's gonna be effective.
		So the existing biological weapons convention we have is outdated.
		It focuses on focuses on select agents, basically, that which can be weaponized through gain of function technology.
		They baked a loophole into it to develop countermeasures, that's vaccine technologies and other prophylactics.
		And you can engage in the gain of function technology, bioweapon development if you were developing the countermeasure.
		And they couldn't get anyone to go further past that with having inspections.
		And I don't see that posture, especially today in today's climate, yeah, changing.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		So you blew up the Nord Stream pipeline.
		There's no, I mean, the basis of international treaty, of course, is trust, and there's none.
		So like no more international treaties.
unidentified		Well, I I hope I'm not sure.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		But I just don't see it right now.
		Well, I think that there's a path forward and the path forward to before we get to the path forward, can we just get to a broader description, more precise description of what the marriage of nanotechnology to AI means?
		Like what does that mean?
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
		So the marriage of of nanotechnology to AI means that the AI, or excuse me, the nanotechnology uh will have swarm like capabilities.
		So people or the the general world is probably more familiar with swarm technology around drones.
		They're using this in and they're testing this and they're trying to field these rapid swarm technologies.
		And if you watch these large displays of drone shows that you see commonly in China, that's really them just openly testing uh drone drone swarm technology.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		And that's the civilian, you know, this is cool tech application, but there's actually a much more sinister uh application of that same technology for defense.
		Dual use technology.
		So imagine that these pathogens are like these drones and you see them operate.
		AI will control the swarm technology around the synthetic pathogens so that it can control their behavior.
		And then also that the machine inside the synthetic cell can adapt to its environment without any human can construction or code or decision making.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		So what would that look like?
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		In terms of well, I don't know.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I can imagine a drone swarm.
		I've seen one.
		Um what would that mean?
		So you have synthetic cells that are controlled by a computer, and then they do what?
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		Well, they would uh use cases always help define what that is.
		So in a weaponization scenario, yes, you could use this to deploy um uh a container.
		Maybe it looks like a bomb into an ocean where you know where a submarine is.
		The synthetic synthetic to the synthetic light life could be magnetic and attract to the hull of a submarine.
		It would attach itself and then it would make decisions about where it should collect on the surface of the submarine independently to create a biofilm and self-replicate to basically cause the sensors or to disable the submarine in some way.
		In space, um, use a similar type of maybe I'm not so sure what the delivery vehicle is, but say that you were to get this onto a satellite, you could use it then to eat and corrode the silicon and magnesium and this the structure of that.
		Uh you could use it to um basically disable the the systems on board of the physical structure of the the vessel or or the uh or the satellite.
		And that's just I mean, what's what's really so striking about this is this technology will be able to use to attack objects, but it's a synthetic living thing.
		There's also the life, so there's there's a new fork fork here.
		You can use it to attack objects, or you can use it to attack life itself.
		And that's more what people would be familiar with uh familiar with.
		You could use it to um attack specific genetic populations, for example.
		So if a a certain population had a genetic trait, you can make the synthetic pathogen specifically target name your niche of race or population of genetically related closer related to the city.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		How about the ones who were given fentanyl and denied jobs in the United States?
		So no, I'm just being super different.
		No, but yeah, but but honest.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		More difficult, probably.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		Well, unless they they had some kind of specific marker.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Uh half kidding, sort of, but you so I remember Bobby Kennedy got into a great deal of trouble because he said at some event, of course, the New York Post led the charge against him, of course.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Uh, but that COVID could be tailored or in fact what for whatever reason COVID had disparate effects on populations.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		That's absolutely true.
		I mean, that's scientifically true.
		And I was quite familiar with that literature uh when he he made it.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		What does that mean?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Which populations suffered most from COVID.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		There was a finding in a scientific publication that two different populations of uh well, two different populations of people of Jewish ancestry, depending um which line they're from, were one was more heavily impacted than the other.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		And that was that was Sephardic Ashkenazi.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		And that was that was the finding.
		And the I think the point that he was trying to make, or maybe didn't articulate well is that the agent can be tailored to have that effect.
		And that's absolutely true.
		And that's through through old game of function technology.
		And with synthetic full synthetics, what I'm saying is you can make this so s so specific is that I could, if I get your DNA like off of, you know, say that you threw a cup, I can uh tailor an agent just to you.
		And this is how it's changing.
		And if you're using AI behind that, I could then, and I say that I a DNA sample from two of your a couple of your relatives, so I knew what your family tree partially looked like.
		Machine learning would is very good at actually random forest and tree decision making.
		You could do a lot of complex AI behind this to figure out and make predictions that AI could about what your family tree looked like and have the disease travel through your family line.
		And this is it now.
		This is nobody has ever asked me that question.
		I just generated that answer based on what I know, but I think that that is a very real possibility use or application of this type of technology.
		It also could be used on the flip side of it, you could use it to um target specific and rare cancers.
		And it could be used to eliminate those um cancers cleanly and self-deactivate and um decompose in a way that didn't harm your body.
		So this technology is gonna go um could go two different ways, but it's coming because the medical applications and healthcare applications of it um are there and they're gonna be they will be extremely profitable.
		Imagine that you said, like I, you know, you have cancer, I don't have to give you a drug.
		I have to inject you with this synthetic, which will seek out the cancer, the tumor in your body, and uh contain it, kill it with no other harmful effects to your body in theory.
		Like I say, in th in theory, because the things always have side effects.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
		And I I just say in general, I would much rather live in a world where I risked dying of tetanus and the common cold than live in a world with this technology.
		It's not even close.
		Um, I have a million more questions to ask you, but that's what you just said is so upsetting that I I think you've broken my spirit, Dr. Huff.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think there I think there's a better solution.
		Let me give you the upside this though.
		So the the solution to these problems and is typically better um biosurveillance.
		And this is what eco health was trying to do, and the part of it that actually works is it you you can't really understand what's circulating in the world in terms of pathogens, life, unless scientists and engineers are measuring it or trying to identify and look at you can't find it what you're not looking for.
		And it would be great to see an international type uh team of scientists working on the technology to detect synthetic life when it emerges.
		Because if we all think it's a threat, we don't have to um put our head head in the sand in ostrich.
		If we're all just looking for it and we can identify it, early warnings of threats save lives, livestocks, uh livestock, animals, the early warning signal is the most important aspect of defending against future emerging threats.
		And if we develop that technology, um, we'll be safer.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		What you really need though to be safe is good people.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		Ethical people, and that's a huge problem in science.
		I mean, there's I could talk forever about that.
		They're not teaching ethics to people.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I haven't been to the doctor in five years as a result.
		I mean, there's as corrupt as every other institution.
		Wow, that that what a heavy conversation that was.
		Thank you.
		Where can people, if people are interested in finding out more, people with a stronger stomach and stouter heart than I have, want to know more about the last 10 minutes of our conversation.
		Where do you write about this?
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've started to, and I'm not sure how it's been received.
		I've published it on on Substack.
		I've done it published a little bit on X and then also on LinkedIn.
		And it's it's not very I don't I don't think people are catching on.
		Actually, I just solicited proposals uh to DARPA and a few other places saying, hey, we should be looking at this.
		And I already know for a fact that they've been thinking at it and there's they've been dabbling and they put a little money into it.
		Um so I'm working, I'm actually act actively working on this.
		If you want to for the little the limited time that I or the the few things that I do publish about this, I I put it on X and AG Huff is my my Twitter account.
		But other than that, this is all very much evolving and it's a work in progress.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		It's amazing.
		It's amazing when you said gain and function research has changed so much in that I'm thinking what time frame is he gonna lay out here because I think most normal people would assume after COVID there would be a dramatic reduction in gain of function research, considering that's what gave us COVID and correct our country.
		But you said in the last two or three years.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		It's It's now the the building.
		So if you're in biological biomedical research in microbiology or virology or bioengineering, it's it's something that you get trained on and you learn to now advance to it's a building block to learn about synthetic biology.
		So there's going to be more research professors at le leading universities within the next five years uh teaching this to PA and it's a trickle down.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I always knew science was bad.
		I just want to brag.
		I just want to lay my marker down.
		I just want to say I've always been opposed to science.
		I've always been opposed to technology.
		I'm not stupid, but I am convinced of that and have been my whole life.
		So I think I'm being vindicated in real time.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe I can cheer you up a bit.
		It's not all evil.
		And to your point earlier, it's the people behind it.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's it.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		And maybe we need to do a better my community, the scientific community needs to do a better job of training our students not to be evil.
		And that comes through how we select our students, how we mentor them, and how we show them or teach them what the ultimate goals in life are.
		And that comes through mentorship.
		And that has really fallen off, at least during my academic and scientific career, where everything is money driven, financially driven.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I don't notice.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		And then on top of it, you have a lot of predatory professors and academics and scientists preying on their students.
		And it's a it's a it's a vicious cycle.
		And I mean, what do I mean by praying on them?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, not just sexually.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		Not sexually, but in the internal problems.
		In the the PhD world, it's very common that uh research professors basically steal their their students' work and have them take credit for their work.
		And they're the students aren't aren't taught about ethics in science and research on top of it.
		I mean, it's not like it's required coursework.
		Most most scientists don't train their students in ethics.
		So how do we uh become better as a community of creating better people as as scientists, so they're not just out chasing money.
		And it's mentorship and we have to break the cycle.
		I mean, we have to break the cycle.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		It's gonna take a radical religious revival to do that.
		Nothing short of that is gonna work.
		That's my view.
		That's what I'm hoping for.
		Um, because I feel like we are on the cusp of like true darkness.
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		I agree.
		Uh and I I think about these things a lot, and you know, scientists, we have people ask me what I do.
		I'm sitting there staring out the window, and I'm like, I'm I'm working, and they're like, I mean, I'm thinking through problems.
		And people often wonder, well, what do PhDs do?
		And we sit there and we think about these things, and we try to come up with answers and we try not to waste any of our brain power on things that don't matter.
		And I don't know if it's with a full religious um if it's a fully religious aspect, at least within the scientific community, because I'm being real here that I know that many of these scientists are atheists,
		and I know that many of these scientists uh who are atheists are some of some of them I should say are great and fantastic people, um, at least at a minimum uh for them to view themselves in the in the greater context of what it all means and try to have um positive, I guess, a positive force on the world through what they're doing.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		But there's no positive or negative for an atheist.
		I mean, it doesn't, there are no there's no hierarchy of value that rooted anything other than preference, so none of that's real.
		How can you say something's bad if you don't believe that there's a power higher than you?
andrew huff ▲ ● ▼		It's a great question.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		You can't is the answer.
		So you should never allow atheists to have this kind of power.
		Um not because they're evil.
		A lot of them are are great people.
		I really like a lot of atheists, it's nothing personal, it's just that there's no check at all on the power if you think that you're God, you know.
		So that can't be allowed.
		Uh Dr. Uf, thank you.
		Amazing conversation.
		It's gonna affect my sleep.
unidentified		Thank you.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		We've got a new website we hope you will visit.
		It's called New Commission Now.com, and it refers to a new 9-11 commission.
		So we spent months putting together our 9-11 documentary series.
		And if there's one thing we learned, it's that in fact there was foreknowledge of the attacks.
		People knew.
unidentified		The American public deserves to know.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		We're shocked actually to learn that, to have that confirmed, but it's true.
		The evidence is overwhelming.
		The CIA, for example, knew the hijackers were here in the United States.
		They knew they were planning an act of terror.
unidentified		In his passport is a visa to go to United States of America.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		A foreign national was caught celebrating as the World Trade Center fell and later said he was in New York, quote, to document the event.
		I didn't know there would be an event to document in the first place because he had foreknowledge.
		And maybe most amazingly, somebody, an unknown investor, shorted American Airlines and United Airlines, the companies whose planes the attackers used on 9-11, as well as the banks that were inside the Twin Towers just before the attacks.
		They made money on the 9-11 attacks because they knew they were coming.
		Who did that?
unidentified		You have to look at the evidence.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		The US government learned the name of that investor, but never released it.
		Maybe there's an instant explanation for all this, but there isn't actually.
		And by the way, it doesn't matter whether there is or not.
		The public deserve to know what the hell that was.
		How did people know ahead of time?
		Oh, I was no one ever punished for it.
		9-11 Commission, the original one, was a fraud.
		It was fake.
		Its conclusions were written before the investigation.
		That's true.
		and it's outrageous.
		This country needs a new 9/11 Commission, one that actually tells the truth, that tries to get to the bottom of the story.
		We can't just move on like nothing happened.
unidentified		9/11 Commission is a cover.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Something did happen.
		We need to force a new investigation into 9-11 almost 25 years later.
		Sorry, justice demands it.
		And if you want that, go to New Commission Now.com to add your name to our petition.
		We're not getting paid for this.
		We're doing this because we really mean it.

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