Charlie Sheen reveals the raw, unfiltered truth behind his 2011 Tiger Blood meltdown—fueled by 40x-dose testosterone cream and Live Nation’s pressure to tour despite collapse, rewriting his act mid-disaster after Detroit’s boos. Sobriety came not from AA but a medical scare and fatherhood, rejecting addiction labels as oppressive. He traces his 9/11 skepticism—from Building 7’s fall to Alex Jones’ viral hoax 20 Minutes—and dismisses "trust the science" dogma, calling it as rigid as religion. With Tucker Carlson, he mocks YouTube’s censorship, framing it as a battle for truth amid wars and economic shifts, while launching his alcohol-free beer brand as a sober reinvention. [Automatically generated summary]
So that interview that you did in 2011, the famous Tiger Blood interview, I watched that and I have never forgotten it.
And I never will forget it.
And here was my takeaway.
My takeaway was this is a guy who's obviously on drugs, like there's a manic quality to it, which I recognized.
But despite that, the life force and the talent, it was just so obvious.
And I thought to myself, how many actors, how many people could be whatever, an eight ball in the bag or whatever was going on with you personally and talk like that and reveal so much of themselves.
I just thought there was something really great despite the craziness that came out of that interview.
And when I heard that you had, you know, gotten sober and were happy and pulled your life and all that stuff, I was, I was just thrilled.
Oh, just that it was the, it was, it was, it was the beginning of the end.
It was, it, uh, it was the moment when, when the, um, yeah, when, when, when it, it just, I had completely left the reservation.
And there was that's fair.
Yeah.
Um, that, that, um, I think people might have uh respected the commitment to it that, uh, that, that I, that I knew there was no turning back, you know.
Um, yeah, it, I, um, there was, there was fallout.
There was fallout, you know, especially what was going on with the network and the show and, you know, all the, um, all the, all the high stakes elements in play, you know?
Um, yeah, I, I, I, it's weird because I've, I've, I've watched it and I've watched it just on this recent tour as it's been referenced and played and clips and stuff.
And, and it's, it's, uh, it's like watching somebody else.
Um, and it's interesting, the, um, the quality of my voice.
Did you notice that?
No, this, the grovel and the depth and the thing.
And I was like, yeah, that was from the testosterone cream, which I was doing heaping amounts of in the, in, in the book, I describe it as slathering on like a, like a freaking ponds commercial.
So what that's, it's, it's interesting that everyone's all for hormone treatments now for kids, but I think it's still forbidden to want to use testosterone cream.
So there was, that was a lot about what was going on during that whole thing.
That's why I couldn't, that's why I couldn't pull the train back into the station, you know, that Once it got away from me, you just become the incredible Hulk.
Pretty much.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But just during this time and even working on some of that, that chapter in the book, there's something that dawned on me.
It's like I turned into the I became that thing, which I detest most, and that was a bully.
Even though I did another, somehow managed to do another TV show.
It's still in the middle of all that.
You know, I mean, I was able to pull it back and present, you know, nicely enough, you know, at least walk into a room and actually, can I just go back just a sec?
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Well, it's not even about the performance.
It's about the experience of being on the road, which anyone who's ever done it can tell you.
I mean, there's a reason so many performers wind up with these really tragic personal lives, which is like being on the road is not good for you at all.
He's an actor and he'd done some rapping and he had this one song that I really dug.
And so he was going to perform it, you know, and I was getting pelted with stuff, like not food, but like programs and shoes and whatever anybody could throw.
And so I wave him out and I, and I switch places with him.
I'm done.
It's over.
And he tried to do his song and they kept went harder on him.
And then he told me afterwards, he said, dude, you can't like you have to.
He says, you completely overlooked the fact that you that you brought a white rapper out on stage in Detroit who wasn't Eminem and expected the crowd to be satisfied.
Yeah, they wanted, you know, more seven gram rocks.
They wanted more Adonis DNA.
And what I, you know, finally explained in the book is that none of that, the biggest irony in this whole thing, none of that stuff was my original material.
I didn't cook all that, all that stuff up.
No, it came from a phone call from a baseball player like three days before I sat down for the interview.
And it was, it was, I think it was delivered as a pep talk.
But what surprised me is that the set that he rolled out with, he showed up in a hazmat suit, like he was there to clean up a, you know, the radioactive spill, right?
Which he kind of was.
And the crowd loved it.
And his jokes were terrific.
And I'm like, wow.
And then I just figured he would be, then we get to the next city and he would come out with a different set.
And he didn't.
He just stuck to the ones he had assembled and built and they already killed.
And he figured that the next city hadn't heard them yet, but everything was in the paper because there's no internet or something.
So I said, okay, everything that we had planned to just leave it right where it belongs in the toilet where it wound up in the sewer, in the gutter.
We are scrapping everything.
And they said, okay, all right.
Good start.
Good.
You know, okay, cool, Sheen.
You're reading the room, man.
And was it the shoes?
Yeah.
Partly, it was that last high heel.
And I said, I think I have a fix.
And they were like, well, do you want to share it?
I'm like, no, no, I don't have it yet.
So I'm going to ride the, I'm going to ride the tour bus.
I'm not going to fly.
I'm going to take the bus from Detroit to Chicago by myself.
And I just need a notepad and two pens.
And I did.
And I just rewrote the entire show alone on that trip, knowing that it was do or die because they were already, because I knew that tour was also, It was the child support tour.
Yeah, because Warner's just hanging on to all my dough.
They were keeping my dough hostage because I'd violated all the morals clauses and I acted in bad faith and therefore they didn't have to pay me what they owed me, you know?
And I was like, well, hold on a minute.
Anyway, they ultimately had to, but I had to assume to get my get my scratch.
And I said, I just need two chairs, you know, just at the, you know, facing each other, just behind the curtain.
And I wrote this letter and I'm sure it's on video somewhere.
And I wrote, and I wanted the chairs just behind the curtain so I could come, I could walk out first, deliver this, this love letter to Chicago about, you know, what happened in Detroit.
And the whole thing was a mislead about, you know, I've, I've, I've, I've fought in the jungles of Vietnam.
I've, I've been through the, the, the, the, the, the, the hellscape of, of, you know, the volcanoes of, you know, just this whole like mythological, uh, just this thing where it felt like, and then the whole thing kind of ends with, uh, and that was just opening night in Detroit.
And I said, uh, and then the whole place went nuts and I knew I had them.
And then the curtains parted and we sat in the chairs and we just talked about everything.
And then that kind of petered out because it wasn't like at the at the energy level that everyone was because you weren't pivoting against disaster.
Exactly.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then that's then a little bit later, they, that's when they brought Jeff in because they're like, okay, we got, we got, we got our, you know, we got, we got our bearings.
Let's, let's, let's ramp it up, but in a, in a, in a sense, you know, just in a, in a, in a sensible way, I think.
And I, I, I made the decision to start entering from the back of the auditorium, you know, like there's not from backstage, but from the audience side.
Like from like the exit door.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Just, I don't know.
I don't know why.
Just it was just cool.
Just everybody was expecting me there.
And I, I would run up the aisle, high five and everyone, you know, just to break it up, just to keep it.
Yeah, see, that, and I covered that in the book also is that they sent the head of the network, Les Moonvest, to my house with the, with the, with the Warner Jet, like fueled up and idling on the runway to take me to rehab.
I mean, I think the assumption is in this business and especially in your part of the business, you know, you got to be a pretty tough character to get to the top, right?
Yeah.
I don't think non-gangsters run big entertainment organizations.
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Did anyone ever say to you, you know, it's good to get off the, you know, the narcotics, but like testosterone cream, when slathered in the amounts you're slathering is like pretty heavy.
So We were in Palm Springs, and I don't know at what stage in that whole thing that whole time it was, but he did say, Hey, man, I noticed that you're using like a lot.
They recommended like the, you know, the size of a dime, and you had like five silver dollars in your hand.
Yeah.
And he said, You just, um, just think about, think about cutting back a little bit.
And I was like, you got it, man.
Thank you.
Good advice.
I appreciate it.
Just ignore, ignore.
So, yeah, he no, but you mean like in the moment in that thing while it was going on?
As crazy as that commitment was, I knew there was, there was, um, there were a lot of, there would have been a lot of consequences I didn't want to deal with had I not done every city, every, you know, every leg of the job.
But it was after that, I think, I think the come down from it, just finally like landing and sitting with the damage I'd done to myself and my career and my, you know, and and and then, you know, how that affects my family, you know.
Um, yeah, I just had to just close the blinds, turn off the phone, and yeah, yeah, get back into the hard stuff, you know.
Yeah, and definitely just from and not from being off of anything for a week, just from like going to bed drunk and then waking up and not being able to function until I got a few pops in me just to just realign my creative steady.
And then, you know, and and I, I, for the longest time, I thought, you know, I thought Nick's portrayal in leaving Las Vegas, Nicholas Cage.
Um, I thought it was over the top.
I'm like, that's an exaggerated example of it.
And no, he nailed it like spot on.
Just the thing about you can't, you can't, you can't take a drink because you'll, you'll break a tooth.
Yeah.
And then, and then, you know, only a couple of days later, you're puking blood.
So your body is like saying, hey, man, no, my, yeah, we, we have these, these, these, this built-in warning system, this, these flashing red lights for a reason, you know?
And there's a, there's a, there's a really nice moment in the book.
Um, it's the, uh, there was a thing with my daughter Sam, you know, in a, in a car one day, just like, it isn't like this grand event where I, you know, got in a shootout with the cops and hijacked a blimp and wound up, you know, just a blimp.
That's, that's a box I've never checked, but it's not a bucket list moment.
So that's good news for the blimp industry, right?
Yeah, and it was just, it was this really personal, very soulful, painful moment with my daughter that just made me realize in that moment, it was, it was time.
Cause there's a, there's a theme in the book about, you know, talkers and doers, you know, and it was time to, as I say in the book, to there was nothing left to say.
It was time to shut the fuck up and get busy doing.
And then that, like that night and the next day took a few volume, had a few beers, and then the next morning decided we're done.
We're done for real.
And it just happened to be Cassandra's birthday, my oldest daughter.
It's just timed out like that cosmically.
You know, there's themes and tones in the book about that kind of stuff where, you know, certain circles close when they're supposed to, you know, and certain things align because they have to.
You know, everything's about timing because that's just the way it is sometimes.
And, but, um, but it never felt like it was celebrating the victories.
It was always making everybody, just in my experience, making me rather be prepared for impending doom for the ultimate disaster that I was always on a collision course with, you know, that as long as you've got something, some, you know, some disease on board that is, that is ultimately going to control your behavior.
I couldn't, I couldn't, I couldn't subscribe to that any longer.
I couldn't do it because add to that that subsequently, you know, I have a legitimate disease on board that is life-threatening.
And, you know, I take medicine every day and it's not life-threatening.
It's as manageable as diabetes, right?
Yes.
But then the doctor said, if you don't take this medicine, you'll die.
And that's not something that's not like you don't, there's no other version of that conversation, you know, that is that's that's undebatable, right?
So you just follow that protocol and stay alive and live a, you know, happy, healthy, fulfilling life, right?
But AA says, um, you know, you got Southern disease on board.
If you don't go to these meetings every day or make that a part of your, of your, of your regular, you know, your, your, your, your curriculum, you know, um, then what's what what's in you will will kill you.
So I took the pills.
I'm alive, didn't go to a single meeting, and I'm coming up on eight years.
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Yeah, no, I, I, um, it just, I, I never felt, uh, I never felt celebrated there.
I always felt there was just like an just this weird air of suspicion and expectation, you know.
Um, yeah, I don't, I don't, I don't miss it.
I don't miss it.
And, and, you know, I, I didn't, I didn't put down the bottle to then, you know, close all the bars or, you know, convince others that this is, this has to be their path as well.
I didn't, that's not, you know, I got, I quit drinking to live in the real world happily and successfully, you know, and I agree with you on that.
So I'm not like endorsing, you know, bar hookups or whatever, but as compared to what, like, I don't know, it's just important for people to be together.
But I have to add that, you know, anyone that's doing AA successfully and it's a part of their life and it's the reason that they can have the life that was given back to them or that they claim, you know, reclaimed, then absolutely.
I mean, I'm always talking up A, though I don't, you know, I'm not an A guy, but I, but no, I think you're making an important point, which is you don't want to, alcohol is the center of your life when you're addicted to it.
And the goal is to make it not the center of your life.
And I'm saying, yeah, it would, it would, it would run through peaks and valleys, but, but when it, when it's good and is good today, um, no, they're really supportive.
They, um, you know, a guy with my kind of history and, you know, the, the, um, you know, not, not, not so much a chronic relapser, but a guy that would get some time and then just blow it all up.
Because I didn't really haven't had the big job in like this time, which is fine, which is actually probably better, which is good that I had all this time to gain some perspective and just work on myself and be like a responsible, available father to all these kids, you know, and grandkids.
Is it like I'm always wondering about the studios, the manager, the agent, even the accountant, the lawyer, all the people around actors and in related businesses.
And like they have kind of a mixed incentive.
Like they, you know, you're not doing well, but they want to keep you working.
Sort of like the athlete who gets, you know, the Novocaine rather than the surgery because he's got to play the game.
Do you feel like they, any of them actually try to help or they just kind of want to keep the money coming?
You know, so I think they had to kind of decide: is it is it, you know, kind of like, you know, weighing the pros and the cons, is, is he going to be at least, if he goes back to work, is that enough of a full-time thing with distractions and responsibilities that that will be deterrent enough, you know, or have we sent him just back into the lion's den, just covered in fresh blood, you know?
So, yeah, I probably don't think I was ready to go back to work on anger management on the show about a year after the whole two and a half disaster.
So you said there were threads throughout this whole experience, times, the timing of certain events that made you think there was a supernatural quality here.
I mean, I, you know, again, things are changing so fast and I'm, I don't have the answers to most questions, but I definitely have become convinced that God's real for sure.
I mean, I'm not, I was always pro things about it I like, but I mean, I would, I don't think I would ever say in public, I know God's real because that's like freaky.
And also there are cultural connotations attached that are just different from the culture that I grew up in, like completely different.
So, you know, it just found it sounded kind of phony or not really like me or whatever, but then things change so much in the world.
And I saw all this stuff that blew my mind.
And I was like, wow, God is real.
I can't believe this.
And then when you say it, you're like, actually, that's not crazy.
Everyone's always thought that.
Can't believe I was like embarrassed to say that.
So then once I do think that once you say it, something in you changes.
That's been my experience.
Not that I have a ton of experience or would feel qualified to give advice to anyone.
And I'm grateful that, you know, for its byproducts, like, I don't know, automobiles and penicillin, but I'm not against science, but the idea that science explains everything is itself a religion and really kind of the dumbest religion ever concocted.
Interesting.
And the people who espouse it know that it's dumb.
And that's why they're so brittle and so given to lecturing you about it.
There's no Mormon missionary who's ever been judgier or more persistent than Tony Fauci.
There's actually a line in the book that I don't know where I read this or heard this, but they, somebody smarter than me described science as a, as a, uh, an ongoing historical series of corrected mistakes.
And so, you know, dad played both Kennedys when we were growing up.
So we had access to JFK stuff that wasn't in the public sphere, documentaries and, you know, unedited Zapruder stuff.
And so we were, you know, I talked with Rogan about this a little bit last week and we were, you know, so we've always had a, had to, we're just raised to, you know, take, take a deeper dive.
Look at things just with a more, just polished, through a more polished lens, you know, or skeptical lens.
And so, yeah, I, I, you know, be it JF Cave or 9-11 or Oak City or Columbine.
We just did 9-11 doc, and it was an amazing experience for me to be involved in this because I not only bought the 9-11 story, I was very resistant to anyone who questioned it because it felt like disrespectful or desecrating the crap.
I don't know why I had that incredibly embarrassing, not at all noble reaction to people's honest questions about 9-11.
So it took me a long time to want to rethink it.
And then once you do, you realize like it's just a tissue of lies.
At what point did you start asking questions about it?
It's interesting, though, that two guys in the business of like manufacturing images would focus on that image and say that there's something about that.
You know, I've got to believe that the Pentagon is the most protected and documented, you know, video protected, surveilled building in the history of the known universe, right?
And then building seven, it's just you can't, you just can't.
You can't watch that and say that is the result of a fire that burned for five hours on two floors.
You can't sell that to me.
And, you know, that for years that was always met with that is disrespecting the victims.
And I'm like, I don't, okay, how?
How is that disrespecting the fallen heroes?
How?
If you're just looking for the truth behind what is clearly not what, how, how it was explained.
Clearly.
I mean, a three-year-old could look at that and know, you know, that looked like that hotel in Vegas that we watched them bring down intentionally, you know?
Things like, maybe it's not the best time to be doing this kind of research, kid.
Maybe, you know, take a little pause for the cause.
Yeah, it was, and, and, yeah, they, they, but they didn't like, you know, show up at my house like they did for, you know, going crazy on dope or testosterone.
But yeah, they, they, they were, they were nervous.
And so, and I did pull it back.
I did organize a symposium in LA, though, with a three-day event called A Weekend of Truth.
Alex Jones was the key speaker in the middle of two and a half.
So we got together and we wrote this piece called 20 Minutes with the President.
And what it was, it was a fictional retelling of this 20 minutes that I was granted by Obama.
And it was me sitting down with him, asking him 20 questions about 9-11 and asking him based on these irrefutable bullet points if he would consider activating, you know, reopening a new 9-11 commission.
But the research that Alex and I dug into that we that we because we, you know, we, we, it could have been 100.
It could have been 100 questions.
It could have been 100 minutes with the president.
And we, we, we drilled down into the 20 things that were really bulletproof, really bulletproof.
And so we, we published it online and we let it kind of marinate for about 20 minutes before we added the following has not taken, it didn't actually take place, but we're hoping one day that it, that it could or that it might.
Or so we did let kind of the hysteria build a little bit that people thought, holy hell, man, dude, Sheen and Obama, right?
This thing actually happened.
And because we didn't want to prejudice it with it being, you know, a work of fiction right from send.
And it was a little bit of a manipulation, but so what?
And I always force myself to admit that I had these views because I want to be less judgmental toward other people.
And reminding yourself what an asshole you are is a really good way to be less judgmental, but also because it's like, it's a feature of human nature that we don't want to know the truth about things, actually.
Yeah, that's pretty disgraceful on all of our parts.
And I wouldn't have, I don't think I would have called you crazy because objectively, it's not crazy to ask about why the greatest tragedy in American history happened.
Yeah, because we asked dad to read the president role because we wrote it like a play when it gets to the thing about the actual conversation that we have.
And we wanted to hear it out loud to see if it sounded like legit exchanges of dialogue.
And he was currently playing the president, right?
And, you know, I decided that when the second Trump victory, right, that I was not going to allow myself to feel how I felt during the first one.
I just wasn't going to do it because it just wasn't, it wasn't healthy for me.
It wasn't, it didn't, it didn't, no, no part of my life got better feeling like that every single day and being told who I was supposed to despise and why I was supposed to despise them, you know, and you were on that list.
Yeah, but it just really brought me to a place to continue with further research into some of these subjects, you know, and to, as I said, change the channel, you know, and, you know, like most experiments, the results are constantly evolving.
Well, also, if you're, if you're told to feel a certain way about someone because of this specific set of examples or reasons or whatever, and then you decide one day you're going to investigate on your own.
Oh, yes.
And then you come to something that is the exact opposite of how you were told to feel.
And that's not the only case where I've been lied to and where I uncritically accepted those lies.
And so then you feel stung by that.
Like, what?
You lied to me because you didn't want me to have this conversation.
I don't know who I'm referring to when I say you, but like the media environment that I grew up in and that my views were formed in was dishonest, really dishonest, and probably intentionally so.
And probably part of the design was to prevent me from ever talking to people with whom I might share common ground because that would be a threat to the people lying to me.
And, and not until I have an experience with a person that, you know, that I, I, I can't rely on the opinions of others because of, you know, just how, you know, however they've chose chosen to see the world.
And he says, yeah, we, you know, we can, we can wrap it up pretty soon.
And I said, well, um, let's just cover, let's just do a couple more minutes at the end, just cover one more thing and then we can wrap it up.
He's like, you got it.
And then so the producer pauses and and as soon as he, as soon as we're clear, he says, Joe, there's, there's, there's breaking news and it's really bad and it's everywhere and it's really bad.
And Joe's, no, he says, Joe, don't look at your phone.
And Joe's like, tell me.
And he says, breaking news really bad.
And Joe says, what's going on?
And he says, Charlie Kirk's been shot and he's clinging to life.
And it was just, it was suddenly everything was different, you know, for all the wrong reasons.
You know, I mean, I, I, I, I've been as mad and as in complete disagreement, just absolute total, you know, nuclear frustration with people and have never thought like, well, now this is, this has to be the next logical step.
This is the thing that I now must do because of how they've made me feel with their words.
It's just that that's where we're where we've arrived.
And what his wife said at his memorial, pretty powerful, you know, is a, is if you thought you were going to silence him with that, this will be my, my cries, my tears will be, will, will be the battle cry that you'll hear around the world.
But yeah, you just take the politics out of it, take all of it out of it.
And it's a, it's, it's, it's a father that, you know, that loved his children and his family and his wife and just, you know, and was committed to the things that he, you know, was so passionate about.
And all he asked people to do was, you know, just debate me, you know, and he set the example of showing up that prepared, you know, and challenging others to be equally as prepared, you know?
And even if they weren't, even if they stumbled or fumbled or didn't, couldn't get their thoughts or, you know, didn't look the part or whatever, he never demeaned.
He never belittled.
He never criticized.
He didn't do any of that stuff.
He wasn't there to make fun of people.
He was there to inspire.
He was there to, you know, maybe just create just even just the tiniest little spark of something for someone to maybe feel something a different way.
And it does, you know, it makes people that are in the, you know, that have to be in the public for their professions.
You know, it's like, do, you know, I'm sure a lot of people are feeling that, you know, that there may be a little more censorship, you know, personal censorship.
And so, but unlike, you know, just being like invited into a finished product and being the pitch man, which would be the normal thing for a celebrity to do or sorry, an actor, right?
I've been working on this as long and as passionately as I have with the with the book and the doc.
And it was interesting because kind of the mantra in my house with my kids and excited about the things I was doing, it was always, it was always book dock beer, book dock beer.
These three things were happening at the same time and were evolving at the same pace.
And then we didn't, we didn't realize until this tour actually started that we got to a place where we can start taking orders like first week of October and shipping through e-commerce a couple weeks after that.
And this is something that I was in on the development of this and in on every stage of building the recipe.
And I'm not a beer expert.
I'm an expert on what I like and what I know to be, you know, the different levels of quality, you know?
So, so, and they were, they were really relying on me as not just a co-founder, but a consumer, you know, and it's, there's another thing that's kind of cool is that just during this, this eight years, the amount of people that I'll see at a restaurant or a ball game or just on the street, they'll come up and say, man, I always wanted to have a drink with you.
And, you know, I'm glad that you're sober, but I'm sad that we can't do that.
No, it's just like, you know, what, what, like our, our target is, you know, like, what, what's, what's a great beer that, that is commonly served at a ball game, you know?
And I want it, I want something that, that, that, you know, that, not, not, not mirrors that.
Obviously, eclipses that is more, it feels a little, just a little more, a little more full.
So it turns out that YouTube is suppressing this show.
On one level, that's not surprising.
That's what they do.
But on another level, it's shocking with everything that's going on in the world right now, all the change taking place in our economy and our politics with the wars when the cusp of fighting.
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