Charlie Kirk and Tucker Carlson expose how the Clinton-funded Steele dossier and Obama’s 2016 classified intel briefing (declassified by Tulsi Gabbard) fueled RussiaGate, sidelining Trump’s presidency via Mueller’s probe and deep-state collusion, while $30T+ in debt and 7x home prices radicalize Gen Z—60% using BNPL schemes like Klarna. They blame boomers for intergenerational theft, linking male labor collapse (7% unemployment vs. 4% for women) to cultural shifts and immigration amnesty plots, warning of Venezuela-style unrest unless Republicans push debt abolition, mass deportations, and blue-collar revival. Kirk’s Turning Point Action targets GOP elites like Graham, framing the crisis as a deliberate elite takeover—economic and demographic—threatening national cohesion. [Automatically generated summary]
Yes, I would go even a step further because the war right now happening between Russia, Ukraine, and the West's support of it actually was an extension of Russia Gate.
Because part of one of the unintended consequences of RussiaGate, unintended, I think actually intended, but unintended from our perspective, because we were so focused on the Trump component, was how it was desensitizing the Democrat Party to hate Russia.
If you think about it, Donald Trump was the worst villain ever in the history of the world, according to the Democrat Party.
So they needed to have an explanation as to how this guy won.
Because of course, it can't be the fact that they de-industrialized Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania, flooded the country with a bunch of illegals and allowed opioids into the country.
And I'm not going to pretend to know all the details of what she's working on.
And I've been cheering her on, sending her text messages saying, you go, Tulsi, you go, because it's so wrong what happened to President Trump and so wrong what happened to our country.
But when you think about it, it desensitized the entire Democrat Party to then have a very negative view of Russia, even beyond a normative Western view of Russia, as if Donald Trump is an attaché of the Kremlin.
And if you hate Trump, you therefore must also hate Putin and Russia.
So fast forward to Putin's invasion of Ukraine, you had the entire Democrat Party and the base of the Democrat Party that used to be anti-war, that used to be where the Ben and Jerry's guy was.
But the rank and file kind of had a subdued response at best to the financing of the Russian-Ukrainian war, largely because of Russiagate, because so many base members of the Democrat Party and the activists were led to believe that Donald Trump only became president because of the assistance of the Kremlin.
And if you, I mean, you know this, you helped lead the, I don't want to say even anti-war, just the skepticism from the West viewpoint that why are we sending all this money to Ukraine?
Is it good for us?
That used to be a left-wing thing that used to always be driven from the base of the Democrat Party.
And from AOC to Elizabeth Warren to Bernie Sanders, they were largely silent on the amount of money that we sent to Ukraine.
No, it's because Putin became an acceptable villain for the Democrat Party because they made the archetype of villain and the archetype of Putin and Trump to be kind of one and the same.
That all goes back to Russia Gate.
It goes back to the lie of the dirty dossier.
It goes back to how our intel agencies were then used inwardly against us.
And that has really been the story the last 30 to 40 years.
And you deserve a lot of credit for covering this, which is our Intel services are supposed to gather intelligence and defend the homeland and to keep us domestically safe.
But it turns out they're actually more about picking winners and losers in American elections and to thwart the will of popular sovereignty.
So I hope that we get to the bottom of this because we are still dealing with the real world ramifications.
You have to wonder how many Ukrainians and Russians, by the way, because people are dying on both sides of this war that are made in the image of God, are unnecessarily dead because of what our intel services did in 2016 and 2017.
Thank you for saying it again, that our position, I would say the war itself.
I mean, I think the Biden administration provoked Russia into it by declaring that Ukraine was going to be part of NATO.
That's my interpretation.
I think it's true.
But even if you don't buy that, we seamlessly moved from no war with Russia into an actual war with Russia, and very few people said anything about it.
And I think the reason they didn't is because they had just spent the last three years hearing about how Putin was the worst person in the world.
He was our main enemy.
Not the Chinese, actually, not the Indians, not anybody else.
No, it was Russia.
So do you expect that people will be held accountable for it?
And basically what we learned last week, for everyone that was hopefully enjoying your summer, not glued to your phone, you know, nonstop over the weekend, we learned that Obama personally ordered an Intel report.
It's like, hey, was it true that Russia was behind this election?
And from my understanding, the report said no, Russia was not behind this election, did not manipulate votes.
Trump was not elected because of Russia.
This was in December of 2016 in a private classified Intel briefing.
That is Now declassified thanks to Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard.
What is even more chilling, though, which goes back to Peter Strzok and Lisa Page and James Comey, is how the FBI and the CIA seem to be working on the same page.
The FBI was almost doing the domestic bidding of the CIA.
And you have to wonder how much of this RussiaGate situation was the insurance policy that Peter Strzok famously put in his text messages.
Remember, he was going back and forth with his lover, Lisa Page, where he was saying, hey, don't worry, we have an insurance policy.
You have to wonder what exactly was that.
And my contention is that that was the Russagate situation, that they had this dossier paid for by the Democrat Party with Clinton funds to then illegally be able to spy on the Trump campaign as an extension of that, create this entire narrative.
And, you know, part of what also needs to be said is how much of Trump won was stolen from President Trump and the mandate of the people because of Russia.
You know, it was very funny.
I was thinking about where was I and where were we as a country back in July of 2017, six months into Trump's term back in Trump 1.
We had Jeff Sessions basically completely sidelined because of his, you know, I have to recuse myself.
And honestly, an unnecessary recusal.
I think that he never should have recused himself.
Let me just say that, whatever you think of what Sessions did or why he did it or whatever, I'm probably the only person willing to give him credit for, you know, a good faith mistake.
And then all of these 30-something lawyers that went to Yale and Harvard will do all the work.
It's kind of how a technocratic state works.
But anyway, think about where we were in Trump one, which I think is really important and how we're in a profoundly better position we are today.
The first year of the Trump presidency and then year two or three were largely stolen by this whole Russia gate situation is that President Trump was constantly on defense.
He was constantly having to defend himself.
He had Mueller looking into Manafort, looking into Cohen, looking into all of his close associates, which of course the report came out and showed no collusion and all stemming from a lie.
And that's the kicker.
So to answer your question, I hope people start to go to jail.
We need perp walks.
We need handcuffs.
We need mass arrests because you're not allowed to steal precious time of a presidency away from the American people that otherwise would have been spent on governing.
The recent threat of foreign wars has turned news coverage in this country away from what's happening in the United States, and we're certainly part of that.
The downside, unfortunately, is that it plays into hands of the worst people.
The establishment don't want you focused on the United States because that's a threat to their control.
The more closely you look at what they're doing, the more angrier you're going to get.
And they're getting rich off what's happening here.
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And now I'm remembering everything you said and you're absolutely everything you said, I think is correct.
I also think it's just important to know that federal intel and law enforcement agencies are not allowed to form their own separate, unaccountable government and run affairs of state.
That's a nightmare scenario that puts you in a dictatorship, totally insulated from the public.
I mean, voters have no way to control that.
That's not a democracy.
That's a dictatorship.
And that's where we are.
And I just feel like it's important to expose that and to punish those responsible.
But now, but after, I think, seven or eight years, and it's taken time, we're finally back to where a lot of the Hillsdale crowd has been.
And Dr. Larry Arn has been to his great credit.
It's the administrative state and the intel agencies.
It's this fourth branch of government that the founders never created, they never designed, there was no intent for.
And that fourth branch of government is unaccountable, has unknown biographies of people that are running it, and they're there for unlimited amounts of time.
There's no term limits, they're not elected, and they're unelected.
There are, and I don't want to put you in a comfortable situation.
You don't need to comment on this, just brief aside, but we actually have civilian control, the control of elected leaders over those agencies, the president, of course, but also members of Congress.
There are whispers that this next bill is going to be passed, whatever perfunctory bill they have to pass, is going to try to neuter DNI, is that they want to try to wall off Liberty Crossing.
And so, again, I don't know all the details of this.
I just, someone texted me yesterday and they said, hey, we have to make sure that Tulsi does not get basically, you know, neutered in this whole process, that it just kind of becomes a ceremonial.
And I know the president cares about it personally as he should, because how much of his life and his energy was just spent defending against a fabrication, not a fabrication of the Chinese Communist Party, by the way, not a fabrication of our adversaries, a fabrication of our own government.
That's what makes this so sinister, is that our own government was turned against the duly elected president.
And if we do not smash the administrative state and the deep state in the coming six to 12 months, Then we're actually not going to, we're not going to bring this entire intelligence apparatus to heal.
We have to lance the boil because it's gone so out of control.
And I can tell you, they are deeply fearful of this movement.
They know that we are aware.
They know that we are noticing things, that we're seeing patterns, that we know how powerful the intelligent agencies have become.
And so that's why I think Russia Gate really matters, is that it's a way to hold them accountable to see how dark and honestly demonic their activities have become.
And hopefully an opportunity to fulfill a mandate that President Trump ran on and I still know believes to this day, which is to bring the deep state to hopefully smash it or at the very least bring it back into balance.
So the Intel agencies, in its inherited composition from Joe Biden and how it's been for the last 40 years, leaking and delaying, they're like, that's child's play.
We're going to rely on our foreign partners to spy on Americans domestically because we can't do that.
And they'll share the intelligence.
And so a lot of focus kind of goes on, let's just say the lazy slop of the people at the Department of Interior.
Okay, fine.
We can clean that up.
God bless the people that want to do that.
But if we do not focus the energy of this movement on the administrative state, then we are going to have elections in name only.
And I know the president understands this because he lived through a thwarted first term largely because of the intel agencies and what we would like to call the shadow government.
And then it was two days before the Republican National Convention.
Again, if you were to kind of go in a dark place, which again, this is all speculation, it felt like, well, this is our last chance before he's the nominee.
Because you know what happens once you're the nominee, you get secret service protection.
And this is an unknown element of this.
Literally, as soon as you get to become the nomination, bylaws of secret service, whatever, you get equal presidential protection.
You know, no offense to the people that were protecting him on the day of Butler, some of which did a great job, some of which are not people I would necessarily, you know, go to war with.
I think you're the most effective Republican organizer.
Certainly among young people you are.
And you deal with them and you wait into the crowd and you go to college campuses and you debate people and you have a tactile sense, I think, of what younger voters care about.
Zoran Mamdani, the Muslim communist that is running for mayor in New York City, who obviously is a whole rabbit hole.
We can go down there.
He just looks kind of be like central casting and his ideas are terrible.
He wants the city to run the grocery stores, all that.
But I think everyone's kind of, not everyone, but most people are missing the point of really what this is.
This is yet another distress signal by young people to say, hey, if you're not going to fix our life economically, we're going to get very radical politically.
But let's take a step back.
President Trump won the youth vote in many states across the country, in many battleground states.
Now, Tucker, 12, 13 years ago when I started Turning Point, if you would have told me that a Republican running for the presidency would be winning the youth vote in Michigan and in Arizona, I'd say, no way.
It's an incomprehensible accomplishment of what President Trump was able to do.
One of the reasons he was able to win younger voters and younger men, especially in big numbers, is that they were trying to get their leaders' attention.
They said, hey, this guy, Donald Trump, he is pledging to go fix our economic anxiety.
He is loud.
He is going to get your attention.
Donald Trump was a distress signal by a lot of young people, especially young men that were stuck in a credit-centric renter economy.
And again, this is what is the rise of Mom Donnie.
It's just another iteration of this, only from the left, which is a credit-centric renter economy.
Yes, which is the way that we need to focus, that we need to kind of frame this.
And conservatives, I think I know why, are just so unwilling to have this conversation.
And I'm not even going to get into what we should do about it.
I think I have some good ideas.
Trust me, I'm not a socialist.
I'm a market guy.
I like capitalism.
I think markets are good.
I think entrepreneurship is good.
But we need to kind of paint this picture first because I think so many, I know this for certain.
So many people in DC have no idea what I'm talking about when I bring this up to them.
And secondly, a lot of people over 50 think this is a foreign concept and they think, quite honestly, this is just the complaining of young people that don't want to work.
So let me kind of paint this picture.
It is harder than ever to own a home.
We know this, but how much harder?
Back when my parents had to go own a home, the price of a home.
And so, and great parents, by the way, phenomenal upbringing, great values.
So back when they wanted to go buy a home in their beginning income years, you know, 1970s, 1980s, home prices were on average about three times the average income in America.
They are now seven times the average income in America.
Rents have gone up inflation adjusted from about $900 a month to now about $1,500 a month.
The age of a first-time homebuyer in 2008 was 30 years old.
It is now 38 years old.
First-time homebuyer.
So when we have a picture of a first-time homebuyer, you think of, you know, kind of a toddler in one arm, a dog, you're trying to figure it out.
38 years old.
So what is causing this?
Well, number one, I don't want to get like too Ron Paul libertarian, but the Federal Reserve pumping in cheap money post-2008 has just been a catastrophe.
We have spent too much money, borrowed too much money.
We have deteriorated our currency.
And the purchasing power every generation is getting weaker.
So your dollar is actually going, it's going, it's going less and less as far as it has year over year.
So then what is the consequence of this?
So you have a generation that is renting a lot more than it's owning.
So when you do not own something, why would you defend it?
And so you find then political radicalization start to seep in because an entire generation is getting routinely cynical year over year as their net worth either stays at zero or goes into negative.
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So it's very high risk for the quote unquote lender, but they have the late fees and the penalties make these companies eventually whole because they know they got you.
And again, this is not regulated by traditional credit bureaus.
So the federal government has not really weighed in on this yet.
And again, you could, I mean, your younger folks can affirm everything I'm saying.
If you are in investment banking and you have student loan debt and that student loan certificate, you know, that credential got you to the investment bank, okay, you bet on yourself.
Maybe that's justifiable.
Again, I'm very anti-college, as you know.
There's really no place where you can make an argument that financing your whole foods order is good for you.
It is a, you know, what I don't like about conservatives, and I am one, is that it would never occur to some of them that there are two sides to the story.
It's like immediately blowing the people who are, you know, buying Coachella tickets on credit, which I get.
You shouldn't buy Coachella tickets on credit or your pizza or your Whole Foods order.
I totally agree with that.
That's stupid.
But they never, it doesn't occur to them that there's another side that the people loaning the money are taking advantage of the dumb people borrowing the money.
That both are culpable.
And by the way, I think the people with more power and more wisdom are probably more culpable morally than the people who are, in other words, like, are we matter at the drug user or the drug dealer?
And it's typically the dealer, but conservatives look at all economic arrangements and they never blame the dealer.
All I'm saying is I am here as a messenger of the next generation.
I'm telling you, this is bad.
This generation can't own anything.
They owe so much more money than generations prior.
This is the most indebted generation in history.
And I double checked that.
Gen Z owes the most money in any history, any generation in history.
So we wonder why then all of a sudden, hey, you want to go buy a home now at the age of 38, your credit score is destroyed.
Your spending habits are terrible.
You don't want to save and you don't think you should save.
And you know what I hear from some of them is they say, well, why should I save when what I saw around me is that you need to get into this economy and spend, spend, spend because the savers got wrecked in 2008.
Again, that's an oversimplification, but there is economic nihilism that has set in to a lot of this next generation where they are not participating in any of the upside right now, any of the upside of the last five years.
But how did we wind up on the side of the moneylenders?
I mean, at no other time in history is that considered a virtuous business at all.
I know a million people in that business, finance, we call it, but I don't understand why they became immune from criticism.
And that's, I mean, there are places where, you know, loaning, I borrowed a lot of money in my life and I'm grateful for it and all that, but I don't think it's virtuous.
And I don't think we should say that it's virtuous.
And I don't think the people who should do it, who do it should be above criticism.
I don't know why is the right participating in basically a cover-up of a crime against people?
This is a generation that just put you in charge of all your committees.
Young people, thank you.
They should be saying, thank you, younger voters.
You voted Republican in overwhelming numbers.
That's one of the reasons, again, I like Dave McCormick a ton, so I'm not throwing him into this, but younger voters helped put Dave McCormick as a U.S. senator.
And I think he gets this more so than most.
Donald Trump built this movement of younger voters that galvanized the nation.
Again, this is the untold story of the 2024 election is how Donald Trump won the youth vote in so many parts of the country.
Okay, so what are they experiencing?
They own nothing.
They're renting constantly.
And they're involved in this scam of a credit-based economy.
Everything is based on credit.
And so then what it does is it deteriorates your capacity to have equity.
And so, again, I'm not here to propose like a solution of all these different policy requirements.
All I'm saying is how about some national attention for this?
How about there's going to be a conversation about it?
So that's what I'm, this is where the continuum, whatever you want to call it, the spectrum, you know, whatever DC term, we're here in kind of, again, I am a market guy.
People that own nothing, that feel like their property is diminishing, they don't have property or their dollars diminishing in value, they start to look for alternatives.
And so the political project in front of us as conservatives should be, how do we actually de-radicalize the country in the next couple of years?
That's my obsession.
That's why I say I try not to think about all this other stuff because it just, you know, it's so much brain space.
My number one obsession is I know what is coming next because nobody spends more time on college campuses than me.
I hate to like pull rank on that, but I spend 100 hours a semester on college campuses.
I know you ask, hey, you know, people ask all the time, hey, why do you do these campus events?
Why don't you just give a speech?
Because I listen as much as I talk.
And I put my microphone down and these videos have been seen around the world and people have grown familiar.
But almost all of them are like, Charlie, I don't know what to do.
Like trading crypto till 2 a.m. and kind of betting that the Green Bay Packers are going to win the Super Bowl.
That's not enough for me.
Charlie, what can we do?
And one of the reasons they voted for Trump is they said, President Trump, please reorder this economy for us because it's severely disordered.
And so the Republican Party currently is focused on a lot of stuff.
I get it.
You have a lot of constituencies to serve, but we have participated, we being the body politic, the last 20 years, especially the last 10, in a concerted effort of intergenerational theft.
And if you don't care, Mom Dani is just the beginning.
No, some would say that Roosevelt began the progressive era.
I think that's an over description.
I don't want to get into that because I'm not that interested in that.
What I'm interested in, though, is how Roosevelt was one of the few, we were one of the few powers to successfully manage the transition from the farms to the factories.
And that's hard when you think about it.
You have your entire population that is moving into cities.
That transition, if done incorrectly, creates a ruling class that is untouchable.
So Roosevelt was like, actually, I'm here to save capitalism.
And I, again, I am, this is going to sound really cringe, but like in some ways, people have compared me to like Paul Revere and it's like a warning of something that is coming.
And so what Roosevelt, just to complete the Roosevelt point, is that when you know what you want and you can aim towards it, you can shed yourself off the bumper sticker logic.
And hilariously, it's actually the best thing for them because otherwise they're coming for their mansions and they're coming for their assets and they're coming for their companies.
And I don't want to live in that country.
I do not want to live in South Africa.
I don't want to live in a resentment, bitterness country where I have to drive around in armored cars all the time and I can't leave my house after 10 p.m.
A colony is a place where everyone just kind of comes and they trade stuff and you have a good time and you kind of go in your own little corner, but you have nothing in common.
It is the reverse colonization of America, which is the greatest of all ironies, right?
Because we tried to do the colonization thing.
But we are colonizing ourselves.
You think about it, because we really don't have much in common anymore.
We're kind of in our own little corner and all that unites us is the dollar bill.
And we're told that that is the most important thing.
Well, what happens when the dollar bill then shreds?
You see, economic volatility is survivable if you're a nation of neighbors.
Because then you go to church and then you have commonality and you're like, you kind of bind together and you figure it out.
Like the Great Depression, for example, we survived that because we were a different people demographically.
We were different religiously.
But when you're a nation of strangers filled with third worlders that don't really understand what this country is about and they're just here for free stuff socialism, watch out.
This, again, I don't like the term emergency.
I'm not challenging you on it only because I don't want to do the Greta Funberg thing where like the sky is falling.
It's a warning of things to come that if I get 10 minutes with somebody, I think I can convince them it's kind of a problem-ish.
But then as a step further, it has all these other secondary problems and third and fourth tier problems, like birth rate collapse and marriage issues and young men not participating in the labor force.
And then you don't have a civilization.
And so I guess that's a long-winded way to say that almost every politician, when they run for office, will give some sort of euphemism, some sort of thing.
I'm doing this because of my kids.
And they bring up their beautiful family up on stage.
You've seen this, what, 500 times.
Are you really doing this for your kids?
Are you really doing this for the next generation?
Because if you were, you wouldn't be doing what you're currently doing.
But to some extent, the vet-I just noticed that living in a predominantly black city and then spending part of the year in an entirely white area that had been de-industrialized, you saw kind of similar-You saw lots of million differences.
Well, there's no violence in the all white area for one thing, which I'm grateful for.
Zero violence.
But you did see similar family formation patterns where as the jobs for men disappeared, people stopped getting married.
It's the same reason why women don't like dating guys smaller than them.
Because they know intuitively at some point they're going to be pregnant and they're going to be vulnerable and they want a man to be able to defend them.
We realize that one of the other reasons why men are being checked out of this whole system is that- parents and the whole momentum behind young men have pushed them into a feminized system when in reality it would have been better for them to just not go to college in the first place and pursue just normal blue-collar trades, of which we have the greatest deficit in our country.
But it goes, that part is all, it is very, this is not economics as much as it is social status.
And you said this on your show once.
It was a one-sentence thing.
I'll never forget.
And I've repeated it like a hundred times.
Upper middle class suburban parents do not want to tell their friends their kids are working construction.
I don't know if you even remember saying that, but no, but I've seen I work, I was forced to work construction by my father as a child, and it totally changed my life and my outlook on everything.
And I made lifelong friendships, literally lifelong.
And I remember I didn't force my own kids to work construction, to be honest.
It's not even a matter of society changed so much.
Yeah, but it's almost when you destroy the white working class, which they did on purpose because they hate them above all for some reason.
When you destroy the white working class, then you have immigrants running everything at the bottom.
And I'm not against immigrants.
I like them actually, but I'm not going to send my kids to work on a drywall crew where they're the only English speakers.
So there's actually, it cuts off that whole, I worked in a factory.
I worked at a gas station.
I was a dishwasher in a restaurant.
I worked construction.
That's what I did in the summer for high school and college.
And I was from a rich family, but that they made me do that.
I'm sitting with this guy, you know, he's got tattoos on his neck and he's done 15 years or something awful, but like he was recognizable as an American.
I'm not going to send my kids to a kitchen now.
I'm sure they're better.
I'm sure the Hondurans are better people than the people I work with, but they're not Americans.
If these young men stay lost and they came out in huge numbers to vote for President Trump and we don't give them purpose, the civilization will collapse.
You cannot have a generation of young men just check out.
So when Biden says the number one threat are straight white men, which he said about a million times, or what are the white nationalism or Christian nationalism?
I don't look at people in terms of skin color, but when they start categorizing me and the young men that show up to my events as toxic because they breathe, you force the race card.
But the power of young white men in this country, if they were motivated and purposeful, yeah, young white men helped us win a world war and get to the moon and split the atom.
You know, they are people who believe they communicate directly with God, that their conscience is more important than federal law, and they're really hard to deal with.
No, you're, you're just, what you're saying is true, and that's why it's upsetting me.
But I'll even say that about black people.
I mean, I didn't grow up in a black neighborhood.
I have a few black friends, couple of good black friends, but I'm not like the voice of Black America.
So it was easier for me to like blame, 100% blame black people for all the huge problems, like the overwhelming problems of Black America.
But now I'm like, you know, and that's some extent fair.
I'm for blaming the victim sometimes, but I'm also for acknowledging that there are other forces and like economic forces really do matter as noted before.
And I just think it's so interesting in the people I know and grew up around with politically, like they will never mention how this happened in the first place.
I think it's a philosophical inheritance from the Rockefeller-Romney takeover of the Republican Party many years ago, well before I was born.
That's my best guess, is that there was this anti-Soviet, anti-communist, anti-Marxist belief that was kind of the connective tissue of what was Reagan's rise in the 80s.
And therefore, again, we exist on these ridiculous binaries at times, which is fine.
Some things are binary, like sex is binary, male, female.
Other things are not, which is there's a lot of steps in between like anarcho-capitalism and like oligarchy-run capitalism, which is what we have right now.
We have oligarchy-run capitalism and Marxism.
There's a lot of steps on the continuum from oligarchy-run capitalism to that.
And so, but also we, if you look at the tax code, if you look at the whole configuration of the current system, which again, credit to President Trump for finally putting a working class tax cut, no tax on tips and no tax on overtime.
Finally, workers get something.
But the whole configuration of the tax code is really rigged towards the big incumbent actors and the top 1% or the Pareto principle.
I know I sound like a left-wing Elizabeth Warden person.
But here, again, let me just kind of complete, you know, the problem should not be how are we going to get the 1% to flourish.
We shouldn't penalize them.
But the question should be, how do we get the bottom 50% to have a little bit better life and their kids to have a much better life and their grandkids to have an even better life than that?
That's the American project is intergenerational wealth building is that you're going to sacrifice a little bit, your kids will be better off.
And this is the kicker.
Why is it that these students are showing up in massive numbers to my events?
Why do they vote for Trump?
This is a fact.
It is the first time since George Washington that this generation has it worse off than their parents at the same age.
It has not happened, not even during the Great Depression.
So you look at all these problems, you would think, like if you're from Mars and you're like looking at all these numbers, you would think that the country's gone through like an economic tailspin the last 15 years.
Like, okay, your young people can't afford homes and they're putting groceries on credit and they're killing themselves and they're socially isolated and they're addicted to benzodiazepines and Zolof.
It's obvious you guys went through like a terrible economic catastrophe.
Every single economic growth decision of the last 30 years has been made.
I am going to benefit.
My baby boomer generation is going to benefit.
And I don't care if it hurts young people.
And I'm not anti-boomer.
I get negative hate mail all the time because the boomers are super protective of their generation as if I'm like attacking Presbyterians or something.
They're the ones who lecture us about the civil rights movement for 40 years as the actual supposed beneficiaries of the civil rights movement, black people, declined.
And, but, or if they are to impart some wisdom, it's, you know, when I was your age, we worked two jobs and I was able to put myself through college and we worked really hard.
And some people don't like this teaching, but it's true.
Adam had God.
He had a relationship with God.
If you look at almost every third world country where men don't feel that they are able to have economic prosperity or any romantic future, you get either revolution, gang violence, or complete disconnect.
Now, I don't want to paint like a totally negative picture because there is one really good trend, and it's not because of baby boomers, and it's not because of our leaders.
Well, no, it's men, young men are going back to church.
That is legit.
That's happening because honestly, it's the only thing that they can find.
It's a life raft in this just tsunami of chaos and disorder.
So I get asked all the time, well, why are they going to the Catholic Church?
Why are they going to the Orthodox Church more than the Evangelical Church?
And I'm evangelical.
I'll say, well, first of all, they want something that has lasted.
They want something that is ancient and that is beautiful, something that has stood the test of time, something that's not going to change, something that's all of a sudden not going to all of a sudden just flip around and have some sort of, you know, transgender story hour.
So that's a really positive trend in the midst of all this.
So that's my great hope is the spiritual hope that the young men that are lost.
And if any young man is listening to this right now, like stop, stop watching porn, stop, you know, smoking weed, stop drinking endlessly, find yourself back to church.
And just to be clear, so people say, but Charlie, you talk about this a lot from a whining standpoint.
No, what I'm doing is I'm communicating to a very specific audience of people in charge that are ignoring this and they are ignoring what's coming next.
And that's the whole context of this conversation.
It seems obvious that everything you've said is true.
And I just want to say for the ninth time, I really hope members of Congress will listen to what you're saying.
I think it's the most important thing right now because we are in the last stages of what we had and we're moving towards something new.
This isn't working and it's not working for the people it has to work for, which is the next generation.
They're specifically the ones being hurt.
And so they're going to be big, big, big changes.
And people will be punished for what we're going through right now.
There's no question about it, either from the right or from the left.
And my concern is not preventing them from being punished.
It's making sure the right people are punished.
It always, it feels to me like the greatest injustice is when, you know, we've solved the crime, but we executed the wrong guy.
And I just want to make certain that the predators are punished, the people taking advantage of desperate young people, the people who are getting rich from payday loans and from buy now, pay later for your pizza schemes.
Like those people should be crushed and not hardworking people.
How do you make sure that punishment is allocated justly?
And a lot of millennials, which I'm a millennial, I'm the younger and a millennial, I'm almost Gen Z, has very similar stories as to mine, where they saw their parents have to downsize, trim vacations, cancel luxury items because of macroeconomic events.
And I think it's still to this day a stand on our nation that no one went to jail for what happened in 2008.
None of the bankers, none of the people were held accountable.
And there's a lot that went into that.
Obviously, the federal government was heavily involved, but we did the worst possible thing, which is we actually created and we codified the bad behavior by making the incumbent Wall Street banks even more powerful through Dodd-Frank.
So it's harder for small and community banks to compete.
And then we flooded the zone with cheap money.
We went to basically zero interest rates, which then depreciated the dollar, which only hurt the next generation even more.
So look, I would have liked to have seen, it's too late now, the statute of limitations is well passed, like purp walks for people that helped wreck the economy back in 2008 and 2009 because there was plenty of material there.
So there's no guarantee that justice is coming.
But I think this is different.
I think this is far different because remember what I said early on in 2008, the average first-time homebuyer was 30 years old.
Now it's 38.
In 2008, you could have bought Apple stock for six bucks, eight bucks.
Now it's like $180, $200 a share or something.
I mean, asset prices have ballooned so dramatically and young people are so priced out of the entry point, let alone the completion point of the American dream, that I think you're right that there will either be, this could be two ways.
This is kind of a, this will be a sloppy way to say it, but it can either be a Stormy-Bastille or Nuremberg.
And Nuremberg is like orderly and at least there's some sort of like, you know, justice component.
I don't think you should put a Soviet judge in charge, but I think any judge is just a man or person and you're not going to get absolute justice in this life.
That is absolutely right.
But it needs to be an, I think that's the key point.
It needs to be orderly and sensible and explain to the public.
So another one is, I mean, again, one that we haven't even touched on is are we ever, I think Trump is actually doing a great job of this, holding these colleges accountable, but is someone going to finally have to be on the hook for the amount of student loan debt this generation has?
Can we seize and raid the endowments?
I mean, these colleges are hedge funds with schools attached.
Again, I'm not doing one of those things where I like, I ask the question rhetorically.
I have guesses.
The first of which is that it's so bad, they're just ignoring it.
And I really think that's part of it, which is that Congress is so filled with septogenarians and octogenarians that it's so distant from their purview.
They're way too concerned to send more money to Ukraine or whatever their primary priority is that kind of representing the next generation, they're like, oh, those kids will kind of sort their way out.
We had it tough too, which they didn't compared to what this generation has to go through.
But secondly, I also think that the left will eventually wake up to this.
I'm telling you.
They're all a mess right now.
They don't know which way they're going.
But the Mamdani thing is a little bit of a trial balloon.
They're like, wow, that's interesting.
It's getting younger people interested and involved.
And just remember, like Bernie Sanders won the Democrat primary in 2016, and he won it in 2020 if it wasn't for the COVID lockdown.
The base of the Democrat Party has been yelling about economic anxiety for 10 years before it was even nearly as bad as it is today.
And so what we as conservatives need to be really concerned about, a cautionary tale, is a Democrat candidate or politician that says everything I've just said, that runs on basically resentment and bitter-driven politics, you owe nothing because of these people.
Let's go take it.
And that's a little bit more sane on the trans stuff, the crime stuff, and the border stuff.
That makes her a better puppet for a kind of fake economic populism.
I mean, she's actually controlled by the banks and the neocons, But I don't know.
If you had one, a candidate on the left who is even sort of genuine, just kind of like a Tim Walls who, without the creepy personal life, wasn't sending off kid toucher vibes like he is.
So, but I always have wondered, like, what was the trans thing?
Why, if I'm running the Democratic Party, I'm a huge donor of the party.
I don't want, I may, you know, like the trans thing or whatever, but I don't want to put that at the center of my platform because that's going to turn off all the normal people.
Like, I'm going to lose with that.
It's two bonkers.
Maybe that was inserted into the dialogue on the left to really kind of stop the Sanders insurrection forever.
Where if you think about the Christian element, which is that we surrender our body to the Almighty, our body is a temple, right?
God made us in his image.
Where the trans thing is, no, no, no, I make myself in my image.
It's diametrically against every one of the teachings of Christ and of those scriptures.
It's against the distinctions between what is holy and profane and what is good and evil.
Child and adult are blurred in the trans thing, male and female.
So I think that there's like a irresistible temptation amongst the kind of dark base of the Democrat Party, which exists that they just had to just like hold on to this because, again, it's the snake eating itself.
Progress knows, no's limits, right?
So it goes from, you know, homosexual marriage to eventually, you know, gay adoption to then finally, you know, to transgenderism.
But I think you're getting onto something important.
From a corporate media standpoint, do I think that Pride Month is emphasized more for a reason?
One of the 613 laws of Judaism and one of the more beautiful teachings is called the year of Jubilee, which is every 50 years is debt abolition and basically the rectifying of your financial situation for the nation of Israel.
Repeated all throughout the Torah, all throughout the Old and New Testament.
And so now here we are in a modern context.
Again, a little bit of debt is justifiable, mortgage, maybe, but when you, another one that we even touched on that is crushing people, Democrats are starting to talk about this more is medical debt.
Oh, it is crushing people.
They go to the ER for just, you know, a broken leg and they have a $7,000 bill and they are just murdered by those bills for the rest of their life.
And so you have medical debt, you have credit card debt, you have personal debt, you have student loan debt.
And not just like say, and I say this as a middle-aged person who's passed the age of producing life, but I think like there's something, it lacks energy.
No, but it's also like, shouldn't you be, I don't know.
I just, I'll tell you how I feel about my life.
It's like getting older, you know, probably going to get physically decrepit at some time in the foreseeable future.
That's inevitable.
That's nature.
That's like, I have that in common with every person who's ever lived.
I will die.
And if you can't accept that, if you're a baby boomer and you think the point of living is to go on vacation, which they do, because they're selfish and stupid, I don't know.
That's like, you're missing life.
Actually, the point of life is to produce new life and then help it thrive.
There's an energy there.
Teddy Roosevelt died.
I think he was younger than I am now when he died.
Does anyone think Teddy Roosevelt didn't live a life?
And so if you look at the biblical figures, they weren't like overly interested in like, you know, mastering the back nine, you know, at the Naples Country Club.
Since, so we've had a conversation for an hour and a half kind of on a, on a, you know, on the, what I think and you clearly think is the single biggest and least addressed issue going forward, which is how are we serving the next generation?
But you also spend an awful lot of time like in actual American politics and the mechanics of it.
How do we get people elected?
How do we get people out to vote, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
Can you just be a little more precise?
So you know every lawmaker, certainly Republican lawmaker.
Why isn't like, what is so hard about what you just said for them to understand?
But part of the problem is, and we're trying to fix this at turning point action, is actually the process of how difficult and how expensive it is to get good people elected in office.
We haven't figured it out, but we're working on it.
So we're engaging in Republican primaries and across the country.
But no, look, as far as how hard it is, this is why what we are doing, I think, is very exciting at turning point, but also simultaneously a threat to the Republican establishment is that we're big.
Because we're not part of this whole neocon, you know, invade the world, invite the world.
And we got to talk immigration too, because that's a whole component of this because amnesty is going to try to be pushed by some people soon.
But we're a different flavor.
We represent a generation primarily that is mad, that is angry, but we want to channel that frustration into a prudent way because, again, we don't want a revolution.
So we're a threat to the established Republican order, and we kind of delight in that in more ways than one.
So look, we're going to be involved.
Other one that we're really involved in is Kentucky for Mitch McConnell's empty Senate seat there, Nate Morris, who's phenomenal, who's actually running on a migration moratorium up against kind of two of McConnell's lackeys there in the open Kentucky Senate race.
And here's the thing.
If we or anybody were able to take out Lindsey Graham, that will send a signal to the rest of the conference.
And so, look, we're going to involve ourselves in many races.
We'll see if we do Lindsey Graham.
We most likely will.
We had Andre Bauer at our event.
We're also going to be really involved in stuff in Arizona because we got to kind of get some things sorted out there.
But more importantly is this, is that there, and this is the other structural problem.
What we at Turning Point Action, specifically our political arm, seek to do is try to make Republican voters back into alignment with their elected leaders because there's a misalignment that's happening.
And Trump was the one that exposed this alignment for the Rocks.
She's a Republican, which the whole thing doesn't make any sense.
First of all, she's from a Cuban district.
And why a Cuban district is so worried about like mass illegal immigration is very bizarre to me, unless she has a bunch of constituents that are doing visa overstays because it's not exactly like southern border central there.
And then that goes to the thing, the core essence of what about the actual American people that have not been represented the last 50 years in your government?
Yeah, so I mean, it doesn't, I don't think you should get two votes or anything, but I also don't think that we should ignore you on purpose, which, and it's like, be quiet, Maria Salazar.
When she does this ridiculous thing, she says, you know, we're going to try to have this solamic compromise of splitting the baby, which, by the way, it's not even what happened in 1 Kings.
Because if you can't win over the population or if you hate the population, which they do, then you need to replace that population.
And again, this is the great replacement reality that is happening in real time.
And so we finally have this mandate.
And God bless Stephen Miller.
He's fighting his heart out every single day to get this deportation effort underway.
And the president ran on this and the president is committed to this and the president is going to get this done unless these people in Congress try to get in his way, which is that we need to deport 20 million people.
This all goes full circle, by the way, back to the young people conversation.
It's just a 2010 strategy.
We need to build 10 million new homes and make sure private equity cannot buy them.
And we need to deport 20 million people.
We do those two things.
We're going to be a much better place.
However, we voted for it.
We have a president in office that wants to do it, that is doing it.
And yet there are several congressional actors that are trying to undermine him right now.
I mean, so the Ag one is interesting because we're told that we need to have mass immigration or else the crops will rot in the field, which is interesting because I thought we're going through like a moment of mass automation right now.
7% unemployment used to be called a crisis in this country.
That was during the Great Recession.
Remember, we got up to 8% to 9% unemployment.
So maybe we should go hire some of the young men that are on the sidelines of this economy and make this a nation again, not just an economic dumping ground for the third world.
And so something about the two, it's the way it happened.
It's the scale of it.
And what's really interesting, what's really a head trip, which I'd recommend to anyone, is going from London to Riyadh or London to Dubai or London to Doha.
I've done all of that.
And you're in London and you're like, man, we've got a huge problem with Muslims.
Like they're bad.
And then you go to Doha or Riyadh or Abu Dhabi or Dubai or any other Gulf.
And you're like, man, I love Muslims because they're awesome.
They couldn't be more tolerant, open-minded, kind.
Just great.
I mean, things I don't agree with, but in general, they're great.
And I have even said, you know, because you can say whatever you want in their countries because as long as you're not attacking the leadership, they have free speech in a way that we don't, which is really wild.
But I've said at dinner, like, what is that?
Why am I so happy here in, you know, pick the Gulf capital versus London?
And what is the deal with the Muslims in London or Cologne or Berlin or whatever?
Like, what is the difference?
I've never gotten a straight answer.
But I do think part of it is mass migration of any kind is a lot.
I've had amazing meals with people in Peshawar, Pakistan, who are like reading P.G. Woodhouse novels and are super smart and have all these languages and stuff.
We have a million self-deportations already, guesstimated.
And I could tell you anecdotally in Arizona, like a construction project happening right down the street from where we live, they said that whole crew of laborers self-deported.
They hired Americans the next day, or at least people that were here legally.
So there is anecdotal evidence of self-deportation occurring.
And the margin at least under Eisenhower, when he did mass deportations, is 10 people self-deported for every one forcible deportation.
And so CNN just did a special of a guy and his family that's self-deporting from Pittsburgh, you know, adios.
So look, I think the goal needs to be 10 million this term.
10 million would be a massive accomplishment.
That would make the country a considerably and measurably better place.
I don't know if we, again, this is a really important point.
Almost all of the excesses, mass migration, refugee, is because the left has weaponized inherited Christian principles against us.
So we as Christians, we have an open heartedness towards refugees.
It says what we should do that in the scriptures.
It doesn't mean that we should do that blindly.
So what the left does is they take good-hearted Western Christian beliefs and they totally weaponize them for their kind of remake the body politic of America.
Here's what I find so unchristian about our refugee system, even before the left distorted it, or maybe they distorted it from the beginning, is Christian charity is the responsibility of the Christian.
So all these Christian groups and Jewish groups and lots of different groups, but a lot of Christian groups, Catholic charities, Lutheran social services, all these groups that use the gospel to justify it, bring in families or individuals and then offload the cost onto taxpayers.
It's like, how does that work?
How is it charity?
If I take your money and give it to somebody, do I get credit in heaven for stealing your money and giving it away?
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