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Yeah, I mean, we didn't sign up for it, but we did.
I mean, look, I remember at the beginning of the election cycle when Fox News was going on and on about Joe Biden's cognitive ability, and I was like, I mean, this is probably just over-embellished, you know?
I feel like an idiot for being shocked because, of course, it's not a democracy.
Of course the system is rigged.
It's fake.
Because no matter who gets elected, no matter who gets elected, you get the same foreign policy, you get the same economic policy, and the Epstein videos remain.
And by the way, these girls are 15 or 16 or whatever the hell they were, right?
But I mean, it's...
Yes, I mean, yes.
If you're a married guy, it's pretty fucked up that you're doing that.
But, I mean, it's nothing new under the sun, so why wouldn't you just scream blackmail at the top of your lungs like, I didn't know this is what happened, and just come clean on it?
I think every U.S. president has been threatened with violence implicitly because of the murder of John F. Kennedy.
I've known a bunch of presidents, and I think every one of them understands that it's pretty obvious what happened there, or the outlines, maybe not the details.
And no one has, to this day, released all the files.
And why is that?
Because the message is really clear.
If you get too far outside the boundaries, you could wind up like JFK.
That's the level of fear that a murder like that that's officially unsolved, but, you know, whose outline everyone really, a lot of people understand, like, that's the fear that that inculcates.
I mean, yeah, but I think that goes without saying, but I mean, some of these guys on the, you know, lower levels, I mean, I don't know, it's just so sophisticated.
I mean, when you dive into it, it seems so sophisticated and having been a, you know, a small part in some of the intel agencies, it's just not that.
I think people give them a lot more credit than they deserve.
We were talking about the Sam Shoemade interview with the Tesla bomber last night, right?
And everybody called me, oh, he's a fucking CIA shill, and he's an operative still, and all this other shit.
One, I was just a contractor over there.
But anyway, that's not the point.
He came on, he posted this thing on Twitter with this guy, Ryan McBeth, who did this whole Debunking my episode, right?
And for whatever reason, he got pissed at me for doing that interview, Gorka, and posts the Ryan McBeth little, I don't know, 10 minute clip that's debunking my interview.
And Sebastian Gorka posts this thing on Twitter.
I'll send you the thing.
Maybe you can overlay it on the screen.
And he said something like, oh, he debunks another one.
Well, then later on, Ryan McBeth does an apology video because the FBI actually came out and said, oh, shit, the email on the podcast.
They didn't want to name the podcast, of course, but the email on the podcast we have confirmed as being legit.
If it makes you feel better, I mean, Gorka is not taken seriously by anyone who knows him, I think including his wife, and he's a nice person for whatever it's worth.
And I think his job literally is just to sit on the internet.
And, like, send, you know, fiery replies to people on X. I mean, I don't think he actually has a job.
I assume there's someone else working on counterterrorism.
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So for people who missed it, which would include pretty much nobody since it was the biggest story, for sure, that week, the guy who blew up His Tesla with himself inside, outside Trump Tower.
You got his manifesto.
Can you just give us a refresher on what that said?
Yeah, so, a little rusty on it, but in the manifesto, he had basically sent this guy, Sam Shoemade, who was an army intel guy.
He had mentioned that we have some type of anti-gravitic.
Propulsion systems that had not been declassified and that China has something similar and this would cause World War III.
And then there's another paragraph that talks about there was a major offensive in Afghanistan several years ago where they basically wiped out a...
heroin plant and used a lot of air power to do it.
It sounds like there was a JTAC and a small team of special ops I don't know, this anti-gravitic shit.
This is kind of weird.
You know, I mean, there's a lot of chatter about it on the internet like we had talked about last night.
But, you know, I don't know.
I kind of think now that that's all just a big distraction.
But when we looked into the whatever you want to call them, for lack of a better term, war crimes, I don't know about the operation, right?
I mean, I'm not saying we should have or should not have bombed that facility.
I mean, obviously, it's bad and it's a major moneymaker for terrorist organizations.
When we dug into it, there was a UN report that talked about that specific night and that the UN had, I believe, did they open an investigation?
I think they opened an investigation on it because it was against, I don't know if it was Geneva Convention or what it was, but you could not bomb drug factories with civilians in it.
And so it had talked about...
You know, how many targets and innocents were killed, and I was like, oh, so this actually lines up with what this guy's saying on the email, which, you know, maybe, maybe not gives, you know, the previous thing that we were talking about a little more validity.
Well, then the other weird thing that gave it a lot of validity is...
So, when that interview popped up on my radar, walked in to the studio, getting ready to interview somebody, Jeremy, my producer, comes to me and says, Hey, we got a guy on this Tesla bomber thing.
And I'm like...
I don't know, man.
We get thousands and thousands and thousands of emails of people that want to come clean on something or expose something, and probably 99% of it is bullshit.
There is a mental health crisis.
Yeah, definitely.
So I was really apprehensive to do it, and Jeremy was new at the time, and I didn't 100% trust him yet, and I was like, ah.
He's like, I think this guy right over here.
But he was hell-bent on it.
And so we did a call with Sam, and he didn't want to come on.
And when he didn't want to come on, I was like, I like that.
Okay.
It's playing hard to get.
All right.
So he wanted to go visit a family member of his.
And he's like, look, I just want to go hang out with this family member.
I don't want to be there.
And I said, hey, okay, look.
We'll book you a flight here and book your flight to where you're going, and this should only take a couple hours.
And he was like, all right, well, let me think about it, and then got back when I was doing the interview and wanted to come on.
So Jeremy tells me on a break, hey, we've got him.
He's going to be here first thing in the morning.
Well, I get done with the interview, and I look at my phone, and all these people are texting me about the interview I'm about to do.
And they're like, hey, you know, there's this DEA agent that was on the op, and his name was actually listed in the email.
And they were like, he doesn't want his name to come out because he's still active.
And I'm like, you know, I'm not going to burn somebody that's still active in undercover operations.
I mean, that could get him killed.
And his family killed.
So I'm not going to do that.
I'm not going to dabble in stuff that we're working on.
But at the same time, it may be extremely paranoid.
I'm like, how the hell does everybody know that I'm getting ready to do this?
So then I'm thinking all the people that are texting me are controlled assets or something.
And then we had another friend of mine sent me a text.
He says, hey, the Army's public affair officer wants to talk to you about tomorrow's interview.
And I called him up and reamed his ass, and I'm like, why the fuck are you texting me this shit?
If the Army PAO wants to get a hold of me, I've got a website, I've got social, I've got all these things that he can get a hold of me at, and why is he using you to get to me, and why have you inserted yourself into my business?
I mean, I'm sure you get it.
I mean, when you're uncovering some of this stuff, it can cause some extreme paranoia on who your friends are and what their motivations are and who's flipped.
And so I wouldn't talk to them.
I said, I'm not talking to them, but I'll pass the number to my attorney and Jeremy and they can talk to them.
And then when they talk to them, They wanted to kind of place it on PTSD, which wound up being the ultimate narrative from the mainstream media, right?
Yeah, I mean, I think that they used PTSD to basically insinuate that he is a crazy person.
But, I mean, pretty much.
Everybody I know and have worked with, all my former colleagues, I mean, we all have that.
And, I mean, I'm not going to say we're not crazy, but not crazy like that.
I mean, it's just a condition, and he can get over it.
And he wasn't crazy.
I mean, he obviously wanted to send some type of a message.
I mean, you got a Green Beret with a full career in special operations.
Definitely knows demolition.
And there is no way in hell that a lifelong Green Beret would put a bomb inside of a bulletproof truck to take out Trump Tower or kill a bunch of people.
I mean, it was obviously, he just wanted to get some attention and get whatever the message that he was trying to get out.
But he talks about next generation energy and the fight that the utilities companies don't want us to have new energy.
But anyways, what this guy does is he...
He has a company called Spacebelt, I believe.
And so he has basically created a logistics company where instead of launching one satellite up, he can, which he says that's extremely expensive and...
Sometimes they break, and they're fragile, and they have to make the satellites bulletproof, which is a ton of weight, because they have to be able to withstand going through the atmosphere.
And so what he's done is he is building a logistics company where they don't have to make the satellites bulletproof.
You can make them ten times bigger than the satellites that we have, and you launch them up in sections.
And pack them safely so that they can make the trip without having all that extra weight to be bulletproof.
And then his company would actually assemble those through laser robotics in space.
And so what he says is possible is, and I believe him, he's got the right background to be talking about this stuff.
And so what he says we can do, and we already have the technology, is basically they would put these ginormous satellites up into orbit, and they would be solar, but it would actually be a reliable, renewable energy source because there's no clouds, there's no atmosphere, there's no air particles getting in the way to collect that radiation from the sun.
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So he basically put this antenna that receives energy, and then it would pump it back into the grid.
So like a solar farm in space.
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I mean, he had talked about that, and it's just like, man, like what?
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I mean, we could make Earth...
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The only one that I've done that I'm like, oof, I don't know if I should be doing this before was the Romania one that I was telling you about the other day.
If you're traveling to Romania to interview a candidate who's been knocked out of the race by NATO, you know, all of a sudden, you're no longer really a podcaster.
I was like, I'm familiar with that way of thinking, but if you just take three steps back and, you know, if you're exposing things that are, you know, important things, big things, like who gets to run the world and, you know, who's getting the money, you know, I think you're still a podcaster, but you're also something else.
maybe you know more about it than I do, but I mean, we feed the data centers that power the AI, you know?
And so, I don't think that, now that I understand it a little bit better, I don't think AI is going to develop its own consciousness and make decisions for us.
I think that the major fear would be if, for example, China hacked our databases and started feeding our AIs false information that would be detrimental in a conflict or...
But, I mean, we are the ones, humans are the ones that build and feed the information into the data centers and it just processes all that information.
But, you know, so for example, you know, for military use, you know, the AI system would...
Tell you what it is.
So let's say it's a plane that pops up on a radar or something.
The AI system will immediately identify it, tell you the capabilities, tell you your courses of action, tell you your different courses of action, tell you the outcomes of those different courses of action.
And so you have all these options that would be some type of an analyst or strategist that would take...
Hours, days, weeks, maybe months, you know, to come up with the information to present to whoever the decision maker is to make that actual decision.
But with the power of AI, you know, and these new chips that are processing so fast, I mean, you get that information in seconds, minutes, hours versus hours, days, weeks, months.
And so you can act on that, you know, a lot faster because all the information's been processed, every possible outcome, the percentage of coming out on top.
I mean, it's like a complete war game within seconds.
I'm with you, but you know, I mean, you know, I mean, how do you know that a human source is not a double agent?
I mean, there's always going to be checks and balances, right?
So, I mean, that's why we need a better energy grid.
We need to be able to power our fucking AI data center so that we can build more AIs because when AI wars happen, it'll be who has more AIs and it'll be AIs going against AIs.
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What is your daily regimen, if you don't mind, if it's not too personal?
Like, you wake up and then you do what?
Like, what are the steps that you take every day to remain grounded and sane and happy?
I wake up, I pray all the time, and I don't mean down on my knees.
I'm always looking for signs.
I'm always trying to make sure that I'm doing the right thing and that I'm not...
Doing interviews just for numbers and shit like that.
I look for good people with a good heart, especially when I do something like a life story.
I'm looking for that guy that's grinding, that is not getting any traction with his business, who's served the country.
Put them up, but I mean, I don't know.
I mean, and then I also keep in the daily routine.
I mean, I wake up, I got a one-year-old and a three-year-old and I wake up and I have about three cups of tea and I play around with my kids and spend a lot of time on the phone, unfortunately, because I'm getting all the incoming in that's coming in that morning.
Then I go into the office and I meet with everybody.
I do an interview, or I don't do an interview, and then I just go back home to my kids.
But, you know, as far as staying grounded, I mean, I just keep in mind, like, hey, this all could go away in two seconds.
I mean, who knows?
Somebody could do a headpiece on me, like they are right now.
I told you about it.
And it could all go away.
When maybe a previous mistake that I made in life comes to light, and they cancel me.
And if they do, fuck it.
I don't care.
I'll hang out with my kids and my wife and live the rest of my life.
Maybe I'll move up here, get a spot in the woods and never see anybody again.
But I just don't take myself too seriously and I don't buy my own bullshit.
If I see somebody go on the circuit that's like...
I'm just not interested, because then I'm just doing the same stuff that everybody else is doing.
And I've canceled interviews.
I've had people that I've been one to have on for a long time, and then I'll pull up YouTube, and there they are on the Tucker Carlson show, and I'm like, hey, cancel that interview.
I mean, you're a phenomenal interviewer, and so it's, well, what am I going to get out of this guy that Tucker didn't, or Megan didn't, or Morgan didn't, or you know what I mean?
Just good human beings with good values that are pumping some type of good in the world, whether that's fighting evil or spreading the word or whatever, you know.
Going against the grain.
And, you know, I was brought up to always root for the underdog.
Nobody really back then had good camera aesthetics.
And so I saw David Letterman's My Next Guest on Netflix, and I really liked the way it looked with the camera movements and the shots that they had, and I said, I want to make that, but in my own way, and on a $2,000 budget.
And so I taught myself how to film, taught myself how to edit, taught my wife how to film, taught myself how to run sound.
And so I wanted an environment that looked really good on camera, That disarmed people.
I noticed, especially where I come from in the SEAL team, it's a very egocentric community.
And nobody can just make the interview about the guests.
They have to make it about themselves and answer their own fucking experiences.
And it's, oh, I killed Bin Laden.
Oh, cool.
I killed this person.
And it's like, it's not about you, man.
It's about them.
And so I would...
Totally keep my own experiences out of the interview, and I would compliment people instead of challenging them all the time.
I would compliment them like, wow, you just made it into Delta.
That's like the premier special ops group in the entire world.
I mean, how did that feel?
That's amazing.
And when you compliment somebody in a world that is extremely competitive...
It's like, oh shit, this guy's different.
Thank you for letting me talk and actually complimenting me on my service.
And then on top of that, we started from episode one.
I always think of therapy as making people more self-involved, but that sounds like whoever you had in therapy sounds like was encouraging you to become less about yourself.
I don't go to the airport very much, but I was there yesterday and listening to two people have an air quotes conversation where each one was just waiting for the other one to stop talking before talking at the person.
I was like, not one person ever said, really?
How interesting.
And I feel like that's the experience that people have, not just watching podcasts, but on day-to-day.
Yeah, I mean, I guess there is one other thing that I just...
I'm not afraid to say that I don't know what we're talking about.
And so you get a lot of people, they fucking trap themselves.
It's like, I told you about what I know about AI, and that's the extent of it.
If we're going to go deeper, I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about, so I'm not going to pretend like I know I'm talking about to make it look like I'm the resident expert, because the resident experts are going to call you completely full of shit.
Like I was saying, Last night, I'm really big on company culture, and I had mentioned earlier, my people that work for me and with me are like a second family to me, and I take on their burdens, and I help them through life, and I want to give them the best experience that I can, too.
I mean, they work their asses off for me, and so I want them to be proud of where they work.
And I want them to enjoy being at work.
And so there's a wellness center.
You've got to see it, man, when it's done.
It's all super top of the line, very, very nice.
And they'll be able to hunt out there.
They'll be able to fish out there.
They'll be able to shoot out there.
They'll be able to work out out there.
I want them to bring their families in for lunch.
I want that environment so that...
One, that they're proud of where they work.
They want to work there.
And they're the best paid people in the business.
I don't have a big team, but I have a fucking amazing team.
Well, so, I had this experience in Sedona where I came to Christ.
And three things happened to me, all within very profound things in about 15 minutes, the last day I was there.
And when I got home, I had called He's somewhat of a spiritual mentor to me.
His name's Eddie Penny.
And he had started talking about it.
I called him at midnight when I got back, and I was like, hey, this happened to me.
I don't know what this means, but I think I need to lean into Jesus a little bit here, and that's not something I've done in probably the past 20 years.
And so he started going on about this stuff.
With demonic attacks, now that I've shown a side, and he goes, man, a lot of people have been praying for this to happen.
And I'm like, well, what do you mean?
Like, what, why, who is, what the hell is happening?
And then he started talking about guardian angels and all this other stuff.
And I had a meeting scheduled at noon with my IT guy, who is, A devout Catholic.
And I call him up and I think we're going to be talking about, I don't know, website stuff and IT crap.
And he has the exact same conversation with me, not even knowing that I'd had this experience yet.
Doesn't know Eddie.
I mean, he is a IT guy and Eddie is a former development group guy.
At that time, I had released the Brian Montgomery interview about sex trafficking, which is a whole other debacle that the FBI started getting involved in.
And I had interviewed Tyler Andrew Vargas, which was the young Marine who survived the Abbey Gate bombing.
He lost his leg and his arm.
And nobody would talk to him because it made the Biden administration look so bad.
We were fighting YouTube about it.
And he had all this real footage from his camera about the guy that blew up the gate that they should have killed.
That Good Morning America had interviewed him for seven hours and only released five seconds of the interview.
Here's another God thing, man.
So having breakfast, my team really wanted to get Tyler on.
And I was like, every media outlet in the world is probably trying to talk to this guy right now because he's the only living eyewitness.
And I'm like, we're never going to get him.
I'll probably wind up on Tucker or Rogan.
And I was like, fine, I'll shoot him a message.
On Instagram.
So I shoot him a message immediately.
He's like, yep, I'm in.
Let's do it.
I had breakfast with him before the interview.
And at breakfast, he's sitting there with his fiancée, and he goes, man, he started tearing up, and he goes, man, I have interviewed with so many mainstream media outlets, and they're all full of shit, and nobody will tell the truth.
And nobody will release what I tell them.
Congress didn't pay attention when I testified in front of them.
And he goes, I literally looked at my fiancé and he's like, man, I just wish this Sean Ryan guy would just reach out.
And he goes, I pulled my phone up and you had just messaged me.
It was the first thing I saw.
And he goes, there it was.
It was like, God answered me right there in that moment.
And I was like, holy shit.
That's not a coincidence.
There are no coincidences.
I don't believe in coincidences anymore.
So I get these signs all the time where if I feel like I should be, if I'm questioning something, he'll throw out a sign.
Like the George Eskew interview.
Me and Jeremy are sitting at the airport and I'm telling him, I don't know about this.
It's the first time I had ever brought somebody to do an overwatch for me.
Because I was nervous.
I was like, I don't know if we should be doing this.
I mean, you know, sometimes it happens, you know, if I'm working late or something, and I'm always working, but I mean, I don't mess around on social media or...
Half the texts I get are just people asking for favors anyways.
I have a hard time understanding stuff and I don't let my ego get in the way.
I don't pretend like I know shit that I don't know.
And if I don't understand, then I fucking ask questions.
And it helps everybody that watches my show understand something because it's dumbed down to a level that the majority of America can digest and comprehend.
And she took it seriously and she watched, I was told she watched, she spent a night going through particular interviews and liked the way that I interviewed and liked my style and she wanted to do it.
And they asked, you know, what do I want to talk about?
And I said, well, I think we should definitely talk about the Afghan withdrawal and the Taliban funding.
Pretty much initiated that entire conversation that developed into what it is.
And me and my guests.
And they didn't want to talk about that.
I said, well, it's going to look bad on me if I don't talk about that because I've been hammering this damn thing for a year now.
Over a year, I think.
But I was like, alright, well, what do you want to talk about?
Do you want to talk about national security?
They're like, what do you think you disagree on her the most on?
I think it would have gone no matter what they handed me for the outline or if I created my own outline that the questions would have been blaming Trump for everything.
Even if it was nothing to do with the question.
I think it would have just been, Trump did this, Trump did that, what about Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, you know, and I don't think I would have gotten any of her views or solutions or initiatives or anything.
I think it would have all been just flipped around and pointed back at Trump.
I don't really give a shit about your new book that's coming out.
I don't care.
There's plenty of other podcasts that can do that.
What I look for, other than that, because that's...
Those aren't my values.
We obviously differ on probably just about everything.
But I just look for good people that are doing something in the world that aren't getting recognition or aren't getting traction and I think would be a good role model.
And that's who I bring on the show.
And that's one of the things I'm good at is being able to take somebody.
Who nobody's ever heard of, ever.
And people tune in.
People will tune in because it's fresh material.
It's good people doing good things.
And they finally get the exposure that they needed to actually get some type of traction.
I mean, who's controlling our country and the influences and why haven't we seen these things?
And it makes me skeptical, you know, and I don't hear, you know, some of this is I may just not know, you know, because I don't, like I mentioned, I don't pretend to know everything that's going on.
And I don't put the time in that I would need to to figure it all out.
But, you know, there's things like the energy grid.
And it's like, man, we really need to fucking do something with our grid, like yesterday.
If you throw any criticism towards any, and not just Trump, but anybody that is in a position of power, I mean, the U.S. has just become so tribal now, and you cannot criticize or give any constructive criticism.
To what's happening without getting blasted.
It's sad.
It's like, man, you guys have 100% lost all critical thinking skills.
You're not fucking thinking on your own.
And you are given the values that you align with.
You're no longer going off the way you were raised or what's true to you as a person.
I think a lot of people don't even fucking know what that is anymore.
And they're just told.
They're told.
They align with the tribe.
Whatever that tribe says, they're going to do, they're going to say, they're going to follow.
And that's sad.
And I think that that could resemble the beginning and the end.
And I can't help but note, because I was there for it, at the beginning of the intranet, we were told that all of this information would make us better informed.
It would increase our critical thinking abilities and that people wouldn't have to follow the propaganda because they would have all the information.
And the opposite has turned out to be true.
People seem much easier to control than ever before.
And when you see that, it's just like, holy shit, like this is spreading.
Or maybe it's not spreading.
Maybe it's just always been like this.
I don't know.
But, you know, so obviously those elections are phony, you know, and the EU is getting involved and France is getting involved and Romania is getting involved.
And it's like...
Holy shit, man.
Like, everything seems to be engineered.
The guy in Bolsonaro in Brazil, another example.
You know, and it's the Ministry of Truth.
I don't even know if that's still a thing, but it's like, the what?
I was there right in the middle of it, and I thought, well, you know, if there's evidence it was stolen, I'll believe it, of course, but I don't see any evidence or enough evidence to say that conclusively.
And then the last five years, traveling around, seeing other elections, watching our country more carefully, it's like, that was totally fake.
I can say that, I think, with confidence now.
But here's my point.
You, who I do think are one of the rare people just committed to saying what you think is true, committed to remaining independent, right or wrong.
You don't want to be influenced.
You want to reach your own conclusions.
And you want to be awake enough to see signs from God.
And I admire all of that.
But now you are supposedly part of the conspiracy.
So where I first went, I didn't understand exactly how contractors...
I didn't know the game.
And so there are different tiers of contracting.
And they take your background and there's all these different, you know, there's the DEA contract, there's the ATF contract, or not ATF, excuse me, there's the agency, the NSA, the State Department, there's all kinds of contracts that you can jump on.
And I had no idea what I was doing.
I thought it was all like one-tiered system.
So I threw my name in this kind of recruiting thing, and they came back.
There was a company called Armor Group out of UK, and they picked me up first.
And I was like, all right, well, whatever.
This seems pretty low level, but they wanted to make me like a guy in charge because of my background.
And I was like, all right, fine.
I'll go do this.
So I went and did the tryout.
It was a complete joke.
Got to Afghanistan, and they put me at the front gate of the embassy, and I was like, I lasted about a week, and I was like, hey, give me a flight home.
And then a friend of mine that I served in Afghanistan with called me up and said, Hey, there's a contract that Blackwater has, and I think you should try out for it.
And I was like, No, I'm not doing it.
I just did a quick pump.
I hated it.
I was with a bunch of guys that don't know what the hell they're doing.
Some of these people were like Bank of America security guards.
I was like, this is crazy.
And he goes, no.
He's like, hey.
He's like, everybody on this contract has to be from special ops.
It's a black contract.
I can't tell you who it's for.
But just give me your resume and I'm going to try to get you in.
It was just, you know, you need these type of clothes, you need this type of equipment, and show up here, go all the way to the back, to the black side, and it'll be a month-long course, if you make it.
Yeah, the shooting qualifications were really tough.
And so was the CQB, the close quarters combat.
So one of the exercises, they had this thing called the...
Hooded box drill.
And they basically put you in a room like this, and they would tape a square, and you have to stand in the square, and they give you either a rifle or a pistol, and they have fake flashbangs going off, smoke, yelling, screaming, role players, and they put a hood over your head on a string.
So this hood goes over your head.
You can't see anything.
It's dark.
There's strobes.
There's all kinds of shit going on.
You can hear all these screams and all this stuff going on, and you are not allowed to leave the box.
And so they set up the scenario, and they lift the hood over your head, and then you have to deal with the scenario.
So I think the very first scenario, Put the hood over my head.
There's all these people in there.
I can hear them.
And they lift the hood up on the string.
And there's a guy closer than for me to you right now with a gun, with a rifle.
As soon as the hood goes up, he snaps my head.
You're wearing a helmet.
But he snaps my head with the muzzle of his rifle.
We call it a muzzle snap.
Or a muzzle strike, and it knocks me back, and then there's all these people in there that this guy's armed, this guy's unarmed, there's a female over there with a Burke on, and you don't know what's underneath, and you got another guy with a person with a gun in their head, people are shooting at you, and you have to deal and process all that information, not killing innocent, not killing unknown, and deal with the situation.
And then they call you back to your box, back to the box.
And it's very unemotional.
They're not like, hey, you could have done this better or why didn't you do that?
It's either get the fuck out of here or we're going to run a scenario.
And then you come back to the box and they put the hood back over your head and then lift the hood and you're in a totally different scenario.
And it might be the next scenario they lift up.
Nobody's shooting at you.
Everybody's calm.
Or people are yelling and shit and shooting their guns up in the air, and you have to figure out who's a threat, who's an unknown, who's an innocent, who's a blue helmet, which would be an asset of ours.
He obviously can't kill the asset.
And so they run you through a number of scenarios there doing that.
But, so yeah, so then at the end you find out that it is for CIA, and you'd already had your new clearances done, and they give you dates, kick you out the door.
And so like the guys that fought in Benghazi, that's the...
That's the program that I was in.
And so it kind of started off as a protective type detail for actual operatives because there is no Jason Bourne over there.
That's why they need people like me because it takes two people to be a Jason Bourne.
And so we would help.
Case officers plan their operations, plan their meets, stuff like that, conduct, and then conduct surveillance, conduct counter-surveillance, get them kind of whatever they need.
And at the beginning, it was, and I wasn't really near the beginning.
I mean, I think I started contracting in 2007, so the war had been going on for, what, about six years?
So towards the beginning, I guess, but it was a real pain in the ass because at the beginning of the war, you had all these case officers coming in and they're fresh out of school and they don't really understand the environment that they're in.
They don't think they need us until they need us and then they're screaming for us.
But a lot of case officers in...
Chiefs of Station and Deputy Chiefs of Station.
That would be the head CIA guy in country.
They kind of saw us as a hindrance to their operations.
Until shit started happening like Benghazi coast.
A lot of these tragic events that happened.
And then every once in a while, you'd get like a really good, sorry, so let's backtrack a little more.
So you get a lot of these, and then you get the old timers that are coming in from the Cold War, and they're used to working in a semi-permissive environment or a permissive environment where they don't need that kind of shit.
They can just go and meet their assets and drink their fucking coffee.
And then they go to Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, Pakistan, you know.
All these type of places, and they bring that mindset with them, and it's like, hey, bud, that shit isn't going to work here, so these people fucking hate you.
But every once in a while, you'd get a guy who was a retired Green Beret or a retired Special Operations Marine or a SEAL or whoever, and they would look at the program that I was in, and they would realize, like, these guys are all...
Special ops.
Like, they have a lot of capability that we're not utilizing them for.
And so, then things started getting added to the plate.
You know, they're like, hey, could you guys do X, Y, or Z?
And we're like, oh, yeah, we can do all of that.
We just, you guys just don't utilize that capability.
Because I don't think you realize that everybody here is extremely capable.
Because it is the poorest country in the Middle East and probably the most dangerous.
I felt like I was doing more there than anywhere else.
You had to take tradecraft extremely seriously.
Very tribal country.
The North is completely different than the South.
And you had to learn the cultures of both so that if you're operating in the North that you know how to dress like the Northerners do.
You have to dress like how the Southerners do down in Aden and try to blend in.
And it's also like a spy game there.
I mean, the Russians were there, the Iranians were there, the Chinese were there.
And so you're...
Trying to figure out where they're operating out of, what their safe houses look like.
Chinese are always super easy to identify because you would just be passing through Yemen and all these mud huts or safe houses or just houses.
And, you know, you drive by the Chinese compound and every single time they have 120 antennas on the roof.
It's like, nice one, guys.
But it would get...
I mean, so you're conducting normal operations and dealing with terrorists and assets and all that kind of stuff for the main initiative, but on the other hand, you're also having to conduct surveillance and counter-surveillance from the Russians, from the Chinese, from the Iranians, and any other key players that are in those countries, and have to know who's who.
I'd see guys that are in safe houses from other units that are over there, and I would see, like, their call sign up on the board, and I'd be like, is that who I think it is?
Oh, shit, I haven't seen him since, like, Bud's when I was in the SEAL team.
And I'd call over there and be like, hey, get up on the roof.
I want to see him.
We'd have a phone conversation looking at each other, waving from rooftop to rooftop, like, what?
Go over and meet them.
What are you guys getting into tonight?
They'd be running operations and killing bad guys.
It was very unique and complex to be able to work there.
And then went home, had a surgery, and I was sitting at a bar in Cape Coral, Florida.
Listening to a bunch of lazy, entitled Americans talk about their opinion of the war and all this other shit.
I just got so fucking tired of listening to the shit on people's opinions that had never been there, had never done it, had never lost anybody, probably had never even faced any type of hardship in their life, and they're just judging me and all my friends.
And so, I've talked about this on a couple of other podcasts.
You know, there's a lot of, like, rumors going around there that I was down there working for CIA, setting up these drug networks, when, yes, they do do that, but no, I was by myself on my own program, and I've always been fascinated with narcos and kingpins and cartels, and it's, like, it was a major rush for me to go into the worst neighborhoods in Colombia.
And start setting up networks.
I mean, it's extremely dangerous for a gringo to be.
I would go in neighborhoods where you couldn't get into the neighborhood without going through at least two checkpoints.
And so I would go in there.
I would hang out.
I would talk to people.
I would buy drugs, cocaine, bring it back to my place, do them all, then go get more.
For rich white people to come down there and take advantage of that.
And, you know, down there, I mean, prostitution and these type of things are not...
Looked at like they are here.
It's an actual legitimate career.
And so you get these guys that come down and that's all they want to do.
And they want cocaine, but they're all scared to talk to the Colombians because they think they're all cartel and they're all going to chop your head off.
And so what I was going to be was an intermediary.
And so, just like how I was telling you, I take care of my team right now and I want the best for them.
And I treat them with respect and very giving.
I was like that down there.
And so, starting with the doorman.
I mean, I would live in these penthouses at the top story of the building, wherever I was at.
And I would make friends with all the guys that were at the door because they control who comes in and out of the building.
And so if I went to the grocery store, they got groceries.
If I bought cocaine, they got cocaine.
If I went to go get booze, they got booze.
If I went to go get pizza, they got a pizza.
And so I just took care of them all the time because I knew it would get to the point where they would watch my ass.
And so I did that and built a great rapport with them.
And then, you know, nobody knows town better than taxis.
And so I would take taxis and take taxis and try to develop relationship with different taxi guys that were not scared to go into Barrio Antioquia, which is kind of the worst neighborhood down there.
And I would have my girls help me make decisions.
Tell me about the different taxi drivers that they used to pick them up from the clubs and stuff like that when they were done working or partying or whatever.
And so I developed a really good relationship with a couple of different taxi drivers, and they would show me everything I need to know, all the places that people don't want to go, and I would get in with them.
Get in with the dealers, and then the dealers would introduce me to their mid-dealer, and then they would introduce me to their guy.
And the network grew so big that if I went to other countries, they would know who I was.
Nah, because 2008 happened and so it got called off at the very beginning of my contract career.
And he went on to do other things.
And I was frustrated, but...
The money was really good contracting, and so I kind of got stuck in this loop of, like, well, I'll just go over there and make a bunch of money and then do whatever the hell I want to do.
And, yeah.
So, anyways.
So, the last thing that got me, and I was talking to my dad, too.
I knew I had a problem, and I'm really close with my parents.
My dad's my hero.
And I would call them all fucked up on Coke or Valium or Xanax or Hydrocodein or Oxy or whatever.
And I would allude to my dad like, I gotta get the hell out of here.
I'm gonna die.
And I wouldn't remember a lot of these conversations.
I'd be totally blacked out.
He was trying to get me to go get some help, and I lied to him, told him I was talking to this Vietnam guy about my experiences, and I was, but that guy was a total mess, too.
Pointe de los Locos or something, which is Bridge of the Crazies.
And so it's like all these, like, look like L.A. Lots of tents under an overpass and crazy drug addicts who have no direction in life, who are dirt poor.
And had a bunch of girls with me, and I went to that bridge.
And it stacked up a ton of cash and thought it would be a great idea to throw all the cash up and just watch these people go to town to try to get it.
And very, very dangerous part of Medellin.
And came back to my building, walked through, and the doorman came up and told me that The National Police had come to question him about me and wanted my passport and all this shit.
And wanted to know who I was, where I came from, what I'm doing, all of that stuff.
And I was pissed.
I was like, man.
And the guy's name was Freddy.
And I'm talking to him in Spanish.
And I'm like, man, I always take care of you.
I can't believe you would try to suck more money out of me.
On this bullshit story.
And he's like, no.
He was trying to tell me that they had bugged the light outside my door.
Which I couldn't understand.
My Spanish wasn't that good.
But eventually I got what he was saying.
And I was like, this is complete bullshit.
There's no way.
And he showed me.
He said, they have a picture of you.
At the bridge throwing money in the air.
And I'd just come from there.
And so at that point, I knew that he wasn't lying.
I was like, okay.
Literally nobody knows that I did that because it was like 45 minutes ago.
And the only people that would know is my taxi guy and the girls that were with me and the crazies that were living under the bridge.
And so he had said that they had set up an observation.
Basically, an observation point at the building across from me and were watching me from that apartment.
So I went up and identified it, where it was, flushed all the coke, and went back into my previous life on surveillance and counter-surveillance.
And I did a counter-surveillance route.
To a couple of different internet cafes.
Bought a couple of tickets to different places outside of the country and hauled ass to the airport.
People are going to think what they think, but people don't understand how it works over there.
And so, I mean, there's a part of me that understands it.
I'm like, eh, all right.
Like, I didn't really come out of nowhere.
You know what I mean?
I mean, a lot of people say, like, oh, this guy just pops on the map and, like, fucking gets ginormous.
And it's like, you didn't see all the back-end work that it took to get here.
And I started this in my attic as a one-man team and then taught my wife how to film, and it was me and her.
And we only did nine interviews for the first year and a half.
Because I was editing sound, video, cutting previews, doing social media packages, doing distribution, doing the research, interviewing, you know, all of that stuff.
And so, I mean, I think it's, you know, what really pisses me off is when somebody that I am paying attention to because they're bringing things out that...
I'm into.
They're going down rabbit holes and conspiracy stuff that a lot of time winds up to be true.
But then, and I think we're all on the same team, and then I'll see him throw something out like, Sean Ryan's a CIA shill, and it's like, dude, I was totally fucking bought in on what you're bringing to the table and all of your research.
It was like...
Really good stuff, and I thought it was trustworthy, but when you throw something like that out there, you've just discredited yourself to me because you have no fucking proof because I'm not one.
And now I don't believe anything that you say because if you're just going to loose lip throw shit out there like that, then what else are you fucking throwing out that you have not verified?
I do think that people are paranoid because It is true that the CIA operates against, you know, the Constitution, against the law in the United States.
No, I mean, I know that that happens and happens all the time.
But at the same time, if you've listened to me, I've been extremely hard on CIA.
Talked about things that they have done that make me very paranoid after the interview.
I can't remember if we discussed that an hour ago or if that was last night at dinner, but that happens all the fucking time, all over the world.
But nobody is ever able to pinpoint exactly why they think that.
They just throw it out.
It really grew traction after I interviewed the founder of Palantir.
People think that's a big war machine.
I'm losing my train of thought here.
The military-industrial-complex type company.
But, I mean, guess what, buddy?
Like, we need innovators, and we have to innovate.
We can't just be doing the same old shit, and I want to know how we're innovating our military capabilities and our intelligence capabilities, and that's a big part of it.
And, you know, to be honest with you, it gives me comfort knowing that we are still innovating, as much red tape as we have to deal with, and I think that that's what...
It gives me a glimmer of hope when we're talking about global domination and China and all that kind of stuff.
I don't know why Palantir has such a bad rap.
Maybe you know something that I don't.
To me, that was fucking genius.
It speeds up the decision-making process.
It speeds up the intelligence gathering.
We're able to access information at lightning speed to be ahead of.
I mean, people are mad at Palantir because they disagree with U.S. foreign policy.
I think that's kind of the main...
From what I can tell, I'm hardly an expert on the subject.
But I think that it's...
I mean, not to be a conspiracy nut, but your public performance over the past five and a half years has run counter to the aims of the CIA, I would say.
I mean, it has.
And so, to tell people that you yourself are working for the CIA secretly is a way to discredit you.
And so the whole other five hours could be complete bullshit.
Except for the one little thing that they want injected into that interview to create some type of a narrative.
And I'm always trying to look out for that, but it would be impossible.
It would be impossible to figure out what exactly that is, if that operative is good.
And they'll do other things like...
They may do other things like, hey, we know that this happened.
You're going to go to this show, and you're going to talk about...
This.
And then two weeks from now, that's going to come out in the media, or we'll wait until the interviewer releases that specific episode.
And then two weeks after, we're going to release this to the press, and then they're going to say, this was said on this show by this person.
Before it ever came out of the media, and then when it comes out in the media, because everybody hates the media, but they still fucking watch it all the time, that builds credibility to the operative.
But I just did a really good interview with this guy, Blarum Scoro, who was an asset.
He got recruited out of prison.
And then he got recruited in prison by the CIA right after 9-11 to make friends with all of the Muslim Brotherhood, all the terrorists that were in there.
And so he built a network in there.
And then when he got out of prison...
And so he would report back to the agency about, like, hey, this is what this guy has done.
This is what he's a part of.
These are the people he talks to.
Because they all trusted him because this guy basically became, like, the head moolah of the prison system.
And when he got out, the agency gets back in touch with him and said, hey, you're going to use this network.
And your cover is going to be you're building a...
Al-Qaeda sell in Macedonia.
And so he would set up shop in Macedonia and he would go into Pakistan and go into Afghanistan and Syria, Iraq, Russia, all these places.
And he would meet with the head of the Haqqani Network, the head of the Taliban, the head of Al-Qaeda.
He didn't meet specifically with Bin Laden, but he's like one step away.
Like, knew the exact date and got really flustered.
And, I mean, I would probably be flustered too if somebody just said that and I wasn't.
I said, you know what goes through my head is what if somebody contacted you knowing you were coming on the show to say that you were getting uranium to Al-Qaeda to sneak into our country to blow us up?
A lot of people want to see us go to war with Russia.
But I called him on it because it didn't fit in the interview, and it was almost like, shit, I lost my opportunity to insert this into the interview, so now I've got to swing for the fence and just drop it.
And it just immediately clicked in my brain, and then I got paranoid again.
I'm like, Jeremy, sorry, buddy, you've got to fucking switch your phone out.
You've been texting with this guy who knows what came in.
But you never really know it's going to be a gut instinct.
But I wanted to say that out loud because if they're watching, and they probably are, then they know that I know that I'm a target.
I mean, who knows where I would be if I didn't do that.
And I would have started this earlier.
You know, and it's just no way to live.
And everybody that you think is your friend is fake.
And everybody just wants to take advantage of you.
Once you get through the initial phase of, oh man, this is like the coolest life, it's the loneliest fucking life that you can lead.
And I almost died because of it several times.
And how would it have turned up if I would have OD'd in one of those penthouses and my parents, who I love so much, and finds out, oh yeah, there's our son, the Navy SEAL CIA contractor, decomposing in a fucking...
Penthouse in Columbia because he OD'd on cocaine.
That scenario went through my head a lot of times.
I don't want to encourage anybody to do that.
That was a low point in my life and something I'm not proud of.
I mean, have you seen the baptism parties that are going on at colleges that look like, it looks like it's a kegger, crazy tailgate party, and they're baptizing people in the back of trucks, and yeah, I think there's a huge wave going on.
I know you spent a lot of your time talking about this, but having fired every firearm, been trained on every firearm, what are your favorite firearms?
You know what I really like is, I don't even know what it's called, but it's a revolver, but it's the, you know, you lift the little thing up and you have to load it one by one.
I thought, and part of it is just, like, my narcissism, because I saw you, because my nephew sent me a clip from you, and I was like, that guy's really talented.
I, like, knew instantly, I knew you'd be successful.
And the fact that you had no background whatsoever, I didn't quite realize how far you were.
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