Rep. Curt Weldon accuses the U.S. government of covering up 9/11, citing suppressed Able Danger intel, FBI blockades, and a 2006 FBI raid on his daughter’s home as retaliation for questioning the official narrative. He claims the 9/11 Commission was a Zelikow-led whitewash, while Building 7’s collapse—backed by FDNY radio transmissions—proves controlled demolition, contradicting NIST’s findings. Weldon alleges Osama bin Laden was smuggled to Iran post-9/11 via Soleimani, framing it as a false-flag ploy to justify wars, and warns intelligence agencies profit from chaos while silencing critics like his associates, who died suspiciously. Demanding a new commission, he ties 9/11’s unanswered questions to systemic corruption, from Sandy Berger’s stolen documents to China-linked campaign cash, arguing the truth remains buried to protect careers and geopolitical agendas. [Automatically generated summary]
We recorded the interview you're about to watch five days ago, and I've been thinking about it ever since.
It's with a former congressman from Pennsylvania called Kurt Weldon.
Kurt Weldon was a very significant figure in Washington 20 years ago.
He was not some obscure backbencher.
He was one of the most powerful Republicans in the Congress, about to take over the Armed Services Committee.
Until he asked questions about the official story on 9-11.
At which point, the Bush administration sent the FBI to his daughter's house, destroyed her life, never charged her with a crime, and effectively got Kurt Weldon bounced out of Congress.
I haven't talked to him in 20 years.
I didn't know exactly what to expect.
But this conversation, the one you're about to see, raises far more questions than I ever anticipated.
This is not a crazy person.
These are not crazy questions.
He makes no claims he doesn't have personal firsthand evidence of.
When it ended, I asked him how many other officials who were in and around Washington during 9-11 have similar questions.
And he said to me, as far as I know, all of them.
And he's still in touch with a lot of those people.
After this conversation, which again we've been thinking about ever since, I thought it might be time to look a little more deeply into the 9-11 commission report.
Was it accurate?
9-11 changed the United States forever.
Those of us who remember it, who lived through it, can tell you this was a different country afterward, completely different and not a better country.
And so there is no more significant historical event in the lifetimes of any living American than 9-11.
And the fact that there are still outstanding questions about what exactly happened and why is troubling.
Up until this point, most of the people who've addressed these questions are either crazy or seem slightly crazy.
Now is the time for a sober look.
Not a wild-eyed speculative look, but an honest look and honest conversations with people who participated in the response to that day.
Government officials.
And so we're going to do that.
We are planning right now a multi-part documentary series on 9-11.
And we hope to bring that to you as soon as we possibly can.
And now, former Congressman Kurt Weldon.
Congressman, thank you so much for doing this.
I haven't seen you in 20 years.
One of the last times I thought about you was right around 2006, and you had been a frequent guest on the show that I was hosting then, and I read that the FBI had raided your daughter's house.
And I thought, man, I always like Kurt Weldon.
I guess he's corrupt.
And then I never heard anything about it, and then you lost that election to a guy who I always thought was kind of repulsive.
And then probably 15 years passed, and I thought to myself, wait a second, Kurt Weldon was the only Republican I'm aware of Who criticized the U.S. response, the intel agency's response to 9-11, who wrote a book blaming elements of the U.S. government for allowing 9-11 to happen and then covering it up.
And then right on the cusp of becoming, tell me if I'm getting this wrong, chairman of the Armed Services Committee, the FBI raids your daughter's house and you lose an election in which your opponent has funding from all over the United States.
I don't get any money for it, but it's what I'm committed to.
And why I care about 9-11 so much.
I was at 9-11, not 9-11, I was at Trade Center in 93 at the invitation of Fire Commissioner Howard Safer to go up there and learn about what had occurred the first time they attacked us.
And they introduced me to a young fire officer, former Marine, five kids, named Ray Downey.
He became one of my best friends.
Ray told me what he thought we should do.
I took his advice seriously and wrote the legislation to create the Gilmore Commission.
The Gilmore Commission was chaired by Virginia Governor Jim Gilmore, a man of integrity.
I had him on a podcast last September for 20 minutes.
And the Gilmore Commission's recommendations were largely what the 9-11 Commission took credit for after the fact.
One of those recommendations was to have a fusion center of intelligence be put together.
At the time, I was doing this on behalf of the firefighters to deal with disasters.
I was in a position to oversee the funding as the chairman of all military research and technology funding, about $180 billion.
The services were building information-dominant centers.
The Army was at Fort Belvoir, and I would go down there regularly and meet with them, and we became...
Good friends.
I didn't bother getting ready into the program.
I didn't need to, but I knew what they were using with new software like Starlight Inspires and Fusion and data mining and analysis and link analysis.
This is going to be important to prevent what happened in 93. Yes.
Right. And as a result, I went to John Hamry, Deputy Secretary of Defense under Clinton, and I said, John, you have to go see what they're doing down there.
He did.
He called me and said, you're right, Mr. Chairman.
And by the way, John Henry had endorsed me for chairman of the committee in 2000, as did Rumsfeld.
This is before 9-11, obviously.
Both endorsed me publicly.
I had their letters.
And he said, but you've got to convince the CIA and the FBI to let us use their raw data because there are 33 classified systems, and if they don't allow us to use their data, this won't succeed.
On November the 4th of 1999, In my office, in the Rayburn building, I had John Hamrey, Deputy Secretary of Defense.
I had the Deputy Director of the FBI, and I had their names, and the Deputy Director of the CIA.
And we talked about the NOAA, National Operation Analysis Hub, Policymaker and Warfighters Tool to Deal with Emerging Transnational Terrorist Threats, the Fusion Center.
Hamrey said, we need this.
I'll manage it.
I said, I'll get it funded.
The FBI said, great, we're all in.
And the CIA said, we don't want it.
We're not supporting it.
We're doing something called CI-21 on our own.
I spent two years traveling around the country giving speeches at intelligence forums calling for a fusion center.
I put language in two successive defense bills calling for a fusion center.
9-11 happens.
I get frantic calls from four of those professional staffers at the Able Danger team, which I later learned was the name of this group, at Fort Belvoir.
We have to see you right away, Mr. Chairman.
Scott Philpott.
Annapolis grad, Navy career officer, commander of four ships, pleading with me to meet.
Tony Schaefer, Lieutenant Colonel, Bronze Star recipient, spy for the military.
Eileen Pricer, Air Force career intelligence officer, expert on computers.
And Eric Clinesmith.
I met with each of them privately.
They all told me the same story.
And they rolled out the charts that I just showed you.
Those charts I will make public now because they're not classified.
I showed them when I testified before the Senate hearing.
We identified every cell of al-Qaeda in the world the year before 9-11.
We identified the New York cell a year before 9-11.
We knew there was going to be a problem.
The Able Danger team tried to go to the FBI and Justice Department three times.
We have the names.
All three times they were stopped.
We have the names of the person in the FBI that was told to deny the meetings.
They were not allowed to transfer the information.
That information, when I came out with my book, Louis Free, former FBI director, wrote in an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal and said on Good Morning America, could have prevented 9-11 from happening.
That's not me saying that.
That's Louis Free.
And General Keith Lambert, our general in charge of special operations on horseback, was asked in this award-winning book, became a movie.
On page 27, General, what were your thoughts when 9-11 happened?
And he said, within seconds I knew who had done the attack, and I knew it involved Mohammed Atta.
Thirdly, after this all broke and I came out with my book criticizing the agency and started really going crazy protecting these brave heroes that were being abused by defense intelligence, the Inspector General for the Pentagon files a whistleblower paper.
I have a copy of it.
I'll give it to you.
His name is John Crane.
He asked for protection because his bosses in DIA refused to allow him to become a whistleblower when he told them that he was told to lie to the Congress.
Met Zelikow over in Afghanistan because Zelikow took a team through to see if there were soldiers who had maybe encountered some information about 9-11 in advance.
Tony Schaefer had been back deployed in Afghanistan at the time.
So he told his commanding officer I should talk to them because I was a part of a special team.
He met with Zelikow.
They exchanged business cards and Kabul.
And Zelikow said to him, Lieutenant Colonel, you've got to see me as soon as you get back to America.
It's very important.
When Tony went back to the States, they had shut down his office, locked his office, secured all his files, and they then worked to destroy his personal reputation.
They tried to destroy his career.
I went to the floor and did a one-hour special order, calling it a scandal bigger than Watergate.
You can watch the footage.
It's available online.
I said, this is outrageous that the Defense Intelligence Agency is screwing a lieutenant colonel because he's telling the truth about what he was told to talk about when he came back from Afghanistan.
Tony Schaefer then went to work in the reserves because he had been basically harassed by the regular army because of what Zelikow did.
So you're saying what others have said before, which is that...
Elements of the U.S. government worked really, really hard to hide the fact that they could have prevented 9-11, that they had all the relevant information and for whatever reason ignored it.
But motive really matters here.
Do you believe that there were people in the U.S. government who made a bunch of mistakes or were too territorial and didn't share information with other agencies, therefore 9-11 happened, which is basically the conclusion of the 9-11 report, I think?
Or do you believe that there were people in the U.S. government who knew it was going to happen and allowed it to happen on purpose?
Well, first of all, the 9-11 report has no credibility.
I don't believe anything that is in that.
It's a bunch of garbage.
It's a lot of paper that has no substance.
And I tend not to want to speculate on things that I can't prove 100% myself or I'm not willing to take a polygraph.
What I can tell you unequivocally is there was a cover-up.
And before I answer your question, I would state one more fact.
Tony Schaefer got approval from his commanding general after this whole thing happened to write his memoirs.
His memoirs are called Dark Heart.
So he wrote the book.
He had a publisher.
He went to his commanding general to review the book as his protocol.
His commanding general said, fine, Tony.
There's nothing there.
That's a problem.
Publish it.
Tony publishes the book.
Our deep state finds out he's publishing the book.
A cease and desist order is issued against the publisher.
Stop publishing the book.
It's too late.
Our government, our government buys all 10,000 copies of the first edition of Dark Heart with taxpayer money, and they destroy them.
So I asked Tony on a show last September, as I've done many times, Tony, you have the original version of the book, right?
Yes, here it is, Congressman.
You have the redacted version, right?
Yes, here it is.
What did they want out of your book that was so sensitive?
What secret information were you giving, Tony?
What classified information did your boss not see?
He said, Congressman, the only thing they wanted out of my book was the fact that I named Zelikow and that I had briefed him in advance.
That, Tucker, is treason.
That means our agencies.
Our agencies use their position not for something involving our national security.
But for involving a cover-up of a person's identity who was publicly approved by the Congress of the United States, appointed by the security advisor to President Bush.
Well, it started before 9-11 when I realized that the intelligence I was getting as the vice chairman of the committee was not really bad.
Solid intelligence.
I would get better information from Bill Gertz, a reporter that you know, coming to me with anonymous sources leaking to him about Intel matters, and I would then go to the CIA and say, why am I getting this information from a reporter that I know you're leaking from classified sources that I'm not getting as a member of Congress who's the vice chairman of the Defense Committee?
Are you playing games with me?
And they wouldn't answer that.
And that's what they do.
They play games by manipulating the media to put out a narrative.
And then we have to deal with that narrative.
So, Tucker, what I did, there's a group in Washington that was known as the cockroaches.
They're a group of people that work for the intelligence agencies that get along socially.
And I knew them all.
They trusted me.
I formed a loose network of about 15 or 20. We met for breakfast every week in the members' dining room in the Capitol.
And they would feed me raw data.
They would feed me raw data, then I would go to the classified briefings using that raw data, and I would ask questions of the CIA in front of the entire committee.
And in many cases, I was the acting chairman, because the chairman wasn't there.
So here I am, the acting chairman of the entire Committee of Armed Services that fully embarrassed the intelligence agencies.
And I'll get into that when we talk about the 9-11 information and post-9-11 where they put Bin Laden.
The point is that the agency plays games with Congress.
The Congress thinks it's getting good information, and it's not.
The agency wants members fighting with each other over stupid things so they can do what they want.
And it's not all.
There are good people in the agency that I worked with, and I would go to war over.
But there are some scumbags.
I know those scumbags.
At the appropriate time, I'll name those scumbags who have made millions and millions of dollars and are making millions and millions of dollars today.
They're making it in Ukraine.
They're making it around the world.
Because of context they established.
And all that ties back to their positions that they got, supposedly working intelligence for the U.S. That's not what this country's all about.
So I have letters, which I can show you, Tucker, from Donald Rumsfeld endorsing me to become chairman of the Armed Services Committee in 2000.
I have a letter from Deputy Secretary of Defense John Henry endorsing me to become chairman of the committee in 2000.
Dozens and dozens of letters.
Then 9-11 happens.
I felt personally responsible because I knew that we could have prevented it by the information that the Able Danger team, established by General Hugh Shelton, had gathered and tried to transfer three times and were blocked.
So I said, uh-uh.
I owe this to Ray Downey.
I'm wearing his jacket today.
I owe this to the firefighters in New York and around the country to get to the truth.
If it's the last thing I do.
And I owe it to all those soldiers that we're now sending overseas.
So what I did, Tucker, I supported George Bush when he said we're going to send our troops over to Afghanistan.
He made those heroic comments about we're going to get them.
I took that as a patriotic American and said, yes, we're going to get them.
But I was worried about what the Afghans might do as they did the Russian troops when they were in Afghanistan.
So, Tucker, with Al Santoli, whom you know, and two other members of Congress, I privately, without the knowledge of our government or the CIA, I went to Paris.
We met with King Zahir Shah, the king of Afghanistan who was living in exile with his family in Paris.
We met with him to convince him to go back to Kabul to convene a lawyer Georgia of all the tribes.
To convince them to accept the American troops before they went in so it wouldn't be like they did with Russia.
King Zahir Shah agreed to that.
I'll give you the photographs, Tucker.
And I had two members of Congress and Al Santoli with me, decorated Vietnam veteran.
Zahir Shah went back.
I did all I could to protect our American troops, not the CIA.
Our troops.
Then I find out.
My intel team, those 20 people that were feeding me raw data, give me data within months after 9-11 that bin Laden's been sighted in a town called Ladiz.
I have no idea where Ladiz is.
So I grew up Pennsylvania Avenue to a bookstore and buy a map.
I just gave you the map here today, Tucker.
You can show it.
And I found Ladiz.
It's not in Afghanistan.
It's not in Pakistan.
It's in Iran.
In an area called Balochistan.
So I go to the next classified briefing for the full committee.
Now I'm the vice chairman of the full committee.
There are 60 members.
I'm the acting chairman at this time.
So I said to the CIA, I have information of Bin Laden's in Ladiz.
This is their response to me.
Mr. Chairman, we've heard similar reports.
We can either confirm or deny them.
I was in shock.
I was in shock.
We're sending kids to die in Afghanistan, and we can't confirm or deny whether or not Bin Laden's in Ladiz.
Three months go by.
I'm still supporting the president.
My intel team comes back to me and say, Kurt, he's being treated at a military hospital outside of Tehran.
I go back to the classified briefing, and I ask the question in front of the full committee.
And the answer from the CIA is, Mr. Chairman, we've heard similar reports.
We can either confirm or deny that Bin Laden is being treated at a military hospital outside of Tehran while we're sending kids to die in Afghanistan!
I said, this is outrageous!
And then, Tucker, I get a call from Jack Murtha, the most respected Democrat in the House, former Marine, who I work with closely.
And he says to me, I want you to meet with Ron Klink.
Democrat from Pittsburgh.
And Ron Klink's still alive.
He'll verify this, Tucker.
Jack's dead, but Ron's alive.
He said Jack has a person who used to work for the agency that has information about Iran.
And you investigate this kind of stuff, Kurt.
Will you meet with him?
I said, sure.
Ron Klink comes to my office and brings this very tall man who's a former person from the Swedish area, but he's a U.S. citizen.
And I said, how can I help you?
You know, Congressman Murth asked me to help.
Ron Klink wants me to help.
He said, Congressman, I want you to help me get into Iran.
I said, why do you want to go to Iran?
He said, that's where bin Laden is.
I said, why would you tell me that bin Laden's in Iran?
Yes. He said, so, and I want to help the country, and there's a reward.
For Bin Laden.
I said, yeah, I know that.
He said, I want you to help me go to Iran.
I said, why do you want to go to Iran?
Now, he knows nothing about anything else I'm doing.
My falconers are seeing Bin Laden's birds flying in Iran.
You help me go to Iran, they'll accept me there because they know me.
I'll tag his birds and I'll take the U.S. to exactly where he is.
That's four full source identities.
That bin Laden was exactly where my intel people said he was.
Over the course of time, Tucker, I developed ten silver bullets.
They wanted to do a movie about me after they took me out, and I'll get to when they took me out.
I got a call from Michael Scheuer.
Michael was career CIA.
After I was taken out of office, he called my home.
They said, Congressman, do you remember me?
I said, vaguely, Michael.
He said, well, I was the chairman of the bin Laden task force in the CIA.
And these people that have met with you, Have shown me documents I never saw when I was working in the agency, and I was the bin Laden task force director.
He said, we want you to work with us.
We want you to be involved in a movie we're doing.
I said, Michael, after what they did to my family, I can't do it right now.
I hung up the phone.
I get a call from General McInerney about three months later, Tom McInerney.
He said, Congressman, you remember me?
I said, yes, General, I remember you.
He said, I'd like you to work with us, Congressman.
I'm working with Michael Sawyer and the Falconer, and we want you to be involved.
But in the end, when five years ago, and even Trump doesn't know this, I'm sure, we killed someone that Trump took great credit for, and I applaud him for it, and he said, we killed this guy!
Soleimani. That's right.
Soleimani was the guy the deal was cut with.
The deal was not cut with the Iranian government, and we need to understand that.
And this is the heart of what we have to get to.
The Iranian people are not our enemy.
I wrote this book in 2005, Countdown to Terror.
It's all about Iran.
It says that the people of Iran are not our enemy.
This book was endorsed by Jim Woolsey with a three-page letter.
Our intelligence people trained the Iranian intelligence people.
We trained them.
They were our people.
When the radical Ayatollahs and the Mullahs took over Iran, they did not bring a new intelligence service.
They did not change the agency.
The IRG stayed the same.
The deal to place Bin Laden in Iran wasn't cut with the Iranian government.
It was cut with Soleimani.
And that's why we killed him.
Our intelligence agency has tentacles around the world.
And they're not answering to anybody.
And that's the problem right now.
That's the problem Trump has.
Yeah, he can cut off the security clearance of 51, but that network extends far and wide around the world, and they can play all the games they want in Ukraine, in other countries.
And until we go after that, this is not going to stop.
Last May I went on a TV show locally in the Philadelphia area, and I said my greatest challenge is they're going to try to take Trump out.
A month later, They did the attack.
You know, it goes back to when Trump first, when I kept quiet because I couldn't trust any of the administrations after I left, including the Bush administration, because Bush wasn't in control.
And I can give you example after example of Bush not being in control.
The polls in October were showing that we were up by about six or eight points.
All my elections have been landslides because I'm a moderate Republican.
And this one, I would have become chairman of the committee, no doubts about that.
For some reason, the SESTAC campaign was maxed out every week in a TV buy.
Three weeks before my election, I get a call on a Monday morning that agents had appeared at my daughter's home at 7 a.m.
And I didn't know what's that all about.
And so I immediately said, cancel the TV ads.
My daughter's more important than some TV ads for a campaign.
And I didn't know whether she might have done something wrong.
I didn't think she would have.
And so we stopped the campaign.
But something that I haven't talked about in the past, Tucker, the same time they raided my daughter's house.
They raided a lawyer in my district who's a Democrat, who, interestingly enough, they shut down his Philadelphia office.
They brought dogs and helicopters and all to downtown Philly, same time.
At the time they raided his office, he had been working for FBI counterintelligence against Russia for two years, but I had arranged two years earlier.
I had arranged two years earlier, under oath.
So the counter-intel people handling him went to his office and were sitting with him while these agents from D.C. come in, and you had two sets of agents in the same office at the same time.
And the counter-intel people are saying, don't answer any questions.
We don't know what this is, but you're doing work for our country.
And the other ones don't know why they're sent there.
Their first question is, Mr. Gallagher, isn't it true that it related to Congressman Kurt Weldon?
And John starts laughing at them, because...
Congressman Walden's wife's last name is the same name as mine.
Yeah, and not only that, three months after the election, the annual fire dinner in Washington, which I started, 2,000 people attend, members of Congress, House and Senate.
George Bush, the father, former CIA director, does a tribute to me, which I sent it to your staffer.
You can play it.
And he says in the tribute, Congressman Weldon, you're the kind of leader that America needs.
You're the kind of leader that leaves the country safer, stronger.
Those aren't my words.
Those are George Bush Sr.'s words to 2,000 people after they raided my daughter's house.
You scumbag, if you want to come after me, come after me publicly.
But if you're going to hide and go do something behind somebody, which you do, now there are good people in the agency, but there are scumbags that work in our agencies, and I know them, and they're making money.
They're million-dollar people, and their million-dollar companies are going to be exposed if it's the last thing I do.
And you'll see the ties around the world to the million-dollar intel people who've made money off the backs of young American kids who have died in wards while they make money, while their companies make money.
And I'll give you example after example of that in Russia, in Ukraine, around the world, in Libya.
That's what's wrong.
And until we understand that, it's not going to stop.
And Donald Trump's people need to understand that.
We're not playing tiddlywinks out in the schoolyard.
And then we find out, Tucker, and I'll give it to you.
We get a memo.
My staff does some digging.
What's going on?
And we find a memo that was sent to my staff in September, a month before this, from the National Republic Congressional Committee to my campaign committee saying, hey, for some reason, your opponent just cut his TV by for one week in October by $500,000.
The week was the week they raided my daughter's house.
But what's crazy, if you think about it, and by the way, I should say of Sestak, who I always thought was just such a reptile, but he had kind of like the perfect views.
He was very liberal socially, but on foreign policy questions, he was just national security state.
So we're not positive that cryptocurrency is the future of finance, but we do know that what we have now is broken and dangerous.
Debt has never been higher in this country.
Many of our so-called leaders are getting rich, serving you.
It's a scam.
So where does it go?
Well, thankfully, there are options.
Donald Trump has said repeatedly he wants the United States to be the crypto capital of the world.
He's already created the Crypto Advisory Council and recently signed an executive order to establish a Bitcoin strategic reserve.
This could give normal people an alternative to the government's failing system and, frankly, to the U.S. dollar.
I'm not saying put all your money outside the U.S. dollar, but, like, don't be crazy.
Don't be stupid here.
You can see where it's going.
So the people at iTrust Capital can help you get into this.
It's complicated for people who aren't following it.
They make it easy.
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We looked into this.
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Now people want me to talk, and I am talking because Trump's in power.
And the only thing they can do is they can kill me.
Now, two of my friends were killed, or I think they were killed.
One was threatened by a guy that was running to be the head of the CIA.
He got a call.
This guy that was in Florida, John Quirk, was career intelligence.
For the CIA and he helped me, he gave me all the internal stuff of what they were doing to try to, they tried to portray me as a Russian spy of all this stupidity.
But you believe that, and the only reason I'm pushing on this is because I know for a fact that highly informed people in other countries with, you know, real intel services who are not crazy or sophisticated.
Take it as a matter of fact that it is possible to transmit fatal cancer from one person to another or from a machine to a person, and you know that that's true?
The details, I know the research that was being done when I was chairman of the Oversight Committee for Research was very provocative, and we need members of Congress that are unafraid to get fully immersed in understanding what we're doing and why we're doing it.
The problem with the members of Congress is that there are good members in both parties.
But they get staffers who have career goals.
And their career goal might be to go work at the Pentagon or go work for the agency.
So they get compromised midway through.
You can't have that.
You've got to have people to understand their loyalty has got to be for the country and for what their original goal is.
And that's why it's so important that we...
And the ultimate goal here is to have this presidential commission on 9-11 to hold people accountable and to let the president appoint a commission that asks the questions of what really happened, both intelligence-wise and with the actual...
I agree with that, and I think it's really important to begin declassifying a lot of things that the U.S. government has done with our money and our name over the past 60 years, starting with the Kennedy assassination,
which the president issued an executive order on January 23rd to declassify.
It hasn't happened.
MLK, RFK, etc., etc.
We should know what happened in Butler Township in July, but I think the big story is 9-11.
We were the ones that caused Qaddafi's death because Hillary Clinton played a game over there, and I was the one that went over there during the war.
Qaddafi asked me to come over.
I took a Biden staffer and a Bush staffer and a film crew leader from ABC1 in New York, Larry Menti, with me and a cameraman because I didn't want the CIA to set me up.
I hand-carried the letter back from Qaddafi offering to resign.
The U.S. didn't want him to resign.
They wanted to kill him.
Why? Because Gaddafi, and I met him three times.
I took Biden on my second trip to Libya, by the way.
He went with me when I spoke to the whole country.
At every meeting I had with Gaddafi, he wanted two things.
He wanted to unite the African continent into a group of nations economically, like the European economy.
He wanted to base it on the gold standard.
And the U.S. and Europe didn't want that.
And the other thing is they wanted control of his oil, and they wanted control of his sovereign wealth.
And you were so deeply involved in so many parts of this, personally, that I think it's easy to go off on different tangents.
But just to the extent that you can describe what you know to be true, you don't want to speculate as to motive, for example, but what you know to be true, what do you think the core truth of 9-11, September 11, 2001, is?
Perceptions, I don't have something I can give 100%.
I can't swear on, but what I'm seeing bothers me to the core of my body that 9-11 did not happen because a group of hijackers got control of some planes.
First of all, I have confirmed that two of the hijackers that were on one of the planes in New York were working for the CIA.
They were on the CIA payroll.
And that was confirmed to me by someone in writing from one of our agencies, and I have that letter.
So two of the people involved were actually working for the CIA in one of the planes.
I know that.
And they lost control of them.
And there were reprimands against those agency people after the fact.
Second, I know the intelligence.
They tried three times to transfer the information about information that could have prevented 9-11.
But you have a guy called Alex Jones, who's a broadcaster, who said that summer that the World Trade Centers are going to hit by planes and a guy...
I'm not making it up.
It's not a conspiracy theory.
He said that.
And it's like, how would he know that?
That's so far out of the realm of what anyone was thinking in Washington, where I lived at the time.
So then my question is, okay, if I'm Philip Zelikow, the guy running the 9-11 commission, I'm calling Alex Jones immediately, saying, come on in, under oath, and we're going to find out, how did you know that?
And instead, the U.S. government, the FBI in particular, set about to destroy Alex Jones and almost succeeded.
I mean, they engineered a billion-dollar judgment against him, etc., etc., but they really have tried to kill him for saying that.
And it's like, if you wanted to get to the truth, why would you act that way?
At the time of 9-11, I had been to the World Trade Center in 1993.
The governor of New York, Mario Cuomo, called my office, talked to me personally, thanked me for coming up.
He watched my one-hour presentation.
I was back up there with Ray Downey.
I brought Ray Downey's widow and five kids down to my district after 9-11 to honor him as a hero.
I was up during the 9-11 incident at Ground Zero, and I did everything I could, and I felt responsible.
Do you know the 9-11 commission would not let me testify before the commission?
Now, I'm a firefighter.
I'm a fire chief.
I'm a state fire instructor.
I spent my whole career helping protect people from disasters.
The 9-11 Commission, even though my experience as a member of Congress, Vice Chairman of Defense and Homeland Security, would not call me to testify, would not call me to go in and speak because they knew what I would say.
So when the commission said it's going to issue its report, which was in...
With the intelligence, I have the evidence that we could have stopped this.
Not me.
Louis Free said that.
Based upon what I came out with, Louis Free's op-ed in the Wall Street Journal, which I can give you a copy of, said the 9-11 commission was an incomplete investigation.
And he also went on Good Morning America and said the same thing.
They tried to blame Louis Free because Louis Free had left the FBI the year before 9-11 happened.
So he was their scapegoat.
And to this day, I think Louis is very upset over that.
The only way around this is to have a new, for the firefighters of America and for our country, to have an independent commission be appointed and give that commission full authority to take this wherever it goes, including the end result.
I mean, like, why is anything from 9-11 still classified?
It's our country.
It happened to 3,000 of our fellow Americans.
We have an absolute right to know what happened.
It's not even a question.
And it was almost 25 years ago.
So, like, spare me your lectures about national security.
But can I ask you this?
So, by the way, I never questioned anything about 9-11, and I actively attacked people who did.
I'm ashamed of that, but that's a fact.
I did it on tape more than once.
Because my feeling was, well, you know, like, that's divisive or whatever.
I was a child and an idiot.
But what began to make me wonder, and I have no idea what happened to 9-11, but it's very clear that there's a lot of lying around it, was the collapse of Building 7. And all the wackos would be like, Building 7!
Building 7!
I'd be like, shut up, wackos!
And then if you just sort of look at it, you're like, well, that is very weird, actually.
Besides being a firefighter, I work for the INA, largest insurance company in North America.
I was responsible for training their fire protection and arson people for 18 years.
That doesn't happen.
You never have a 47-story building just collapse, which this is.
Even Donald Trump, I have a tape of him speaking on 9-11, and Donald Trump, which I'll give you a copy of, in his own words, says that's controlled demolition.
NIST is the National Institute for Standards and Technology to do an assessment.
Now, they're like any other federal agency, and there are good people there, but there are people that want their jobs and want their careers, and they're not going to rock the boat.
And they came out with a report that's hogwash.
The University of Alaska, which is a very credible engineering department, did a full refutation of the NIST report.
Saying it's full with gaps and full with inaccuracies and areas where they did not get the right information.
Let me just say this to you.
People say, well, you can't question NIST.
NIST always does the right thing.
When I went to Congress, Tucker, in my first term, I'm two doors from the Speaker's office, Speaker Jim Wright.
His office catches on fire at 7 o'clock at night.
As a firefighter, I go up, punch the door open, get down on my hands, and he's crawling.
The kitchen's fully involved.
This is all documented.
You can read about it.
I said to my staffer, go get me the portable extinguishers.
Three of the five weren't charged.
I said, go get me the hose in the hose station.
There was no hose in the hose station.
I come back out and I say, we've got to evacuate the building.
Now, I'm in my first term.
It's a seven-story building above ground.
No sprinklers, no detectors, no alarms.
Here is the building, one of the six office buildings holding the House and the Senate in violation of every building code and fire code in America.
Now, I'm an expert on NFPA 101, the Life Safety Code, and the Boca Codes.
This building, if NIST did its job, NIST would have said, if you're going to be in Congress, you're going to work in a building where your constituents who are blind and handicapped are not going to feel threatened.
Seven stories above ground.
No alarm system.
No detection system.
So a fire's occurring, and the police are running through the building yelling, fire, get out.
But tell us, like, from an engineering perspective, you had three buildings come down, sort of collapse in on themselves, implode, it looked like, and a lot of people have said,
many credible non-crazy people have said that was controlled demolition.
And they were looking for other firefighters like Ray Downey and the 342 others that were trapped and eventually vaporized.
So something happened.
There's a high explosive material, I think it's called fermite.
That is used to explode metal and steel and vaporize it.
Tests were never done on that.
There were some limited tests that found that there was some evidence of that, but the whole thing never was subjected to the kind of investigation that would be warranted when 3,000 people die.
I mean, when you have 3,000 people die, you would think it would be a full massive investigation, not going after 9-11, obviously, but what happened to the buildings and why did they come down?
They're the only high-rise buildings in the world that have ever come down from an airplane hitting them.
And those buildings, I read the report from the architect who designed them.
They were designed to withstand an airplane hitting the building and standing tall.
Oriole Palmer was one of the most inspirational battalion chiefs in New York.
FDNY. FDNY, who immediately, in very good shape, had a family, a couple of kids, went into the building as soon as they got on the scene, took the elevator up to the 40th floor, got off the elevator, and you can hear him on the comm system say, I'm here, 40th floor, we're going to start walking up the stairwells.
Five floors, he radios back to communication.
I'm on the 50th floor.
Everything's okay.
We're on floor 60. Everything's okay.
He's going up every so many floors.
He gives a report.
He reaches the 78th floor, the floor of impact.
He comes out of the stair tower.
And as clear as you listening to me here, and I know I get passionate and I apologize to your listeners for that.
I have the utmost respect for the Fire Department of New York.
When I wrote the manuscript, Able Danger, which I didn't publish because my lawyer said they would kill me back in 2006.
I never published it.
I'm going to publish it this year.
Last summer in July, I took a copy up, a draft copy of the manuscript, and I met for two hours with John Esposito.
He's the chief.
He's a great man.
I have total respect for him.
And John knows me.
And I said, John, you know my respect for the department.
And I said, yes, Congressman, we know that.
I said, I want to give you this copy of my manuscript, and I'm signing it in honor of Ray Downey for you to keep in your archives.
This is what really happened.
He took it.
I felt I owed it to the Fire Department of New York and their members.
There has been this subtle pressure to the firefighters and to the officers not to talk, for obvious reasons.
You know what this involves politically.
And look what happened to the chief of L.A. The female chief of L.A. comes out and says that the resources were taken away from her for the field forest fires.
And what does the mayor do?
She fires her.
That was just a few weeks ago.
The firefighters are always a scapegoat.
That's why, Tucker, I'm done with this.
If it's the last thing I do, firefighters are not going to be taken for granted anymore.
So the counter to this, which is also kind of rooted in common sense, is wow, that would require a lot of people to be involved in a vast conspiracy and to stay silent for 24 years, and that's just impossible because people talk.
It would involve a very precise, Action of planning and, you know, taking steps to control the situation.
And again, I have no firsthand evidence of this.
That's why this is the most important thing.
If there's one thing that you have the ability to do because you're very well respected and deservedly so, you coming out and showing that report, that request, put out by the Firefighters of America.
And by the people who are, excuse me for doing that.
Wait, can I ask though, like, if we find out, I mean, one of the reasons I became so upset was actually an Alex Jones guy years ago at some campaign event I was covering, you know, 9-11, Building 7, and I was like, shut up, asshole, you know,
no one wants to hear that.
And I was being a child and ignorant, as I have admitted many times, and I was wrong.
Because you should always be for the truth, no matter what.
On the other hand, I think my instinct was informed by the feeling that, wow, if we find out that U.S. government officials or foreign officials or anybody is hiding the truth about an event that murdered 3,000 totally innocent people,
I was in decisions as vice chairman of the committee where I heard conversations talk about acceptable casualties.
There are no acceptable casualties.
If I have a son or a daughter and I'm the youngest of nine, my brothers and sisters served in every branch of the military.
I think 9-11 is...
Going to be the biggest scandal in our lifetime and beyond?
Yes, I think it's going to be the biggest scandal in the history of America because it occurred on U.S. soil and because it is so recent that we have relevant information still available.
We have recorded information.
We have personal information.
Once people realize they can talk and not be afraid of being killed.
Or not being afraid of being ostracized.
And you know what gets me is reporters who call people conspiracy theorists.
I don't even know if I want the answer, but Flight 93, which crashed in your state in Shanksville, Pennsylvania, became a kind of, and you feel obviously so crushed for the people, Todd Beamer and the rest on that flight, and they sound like they acted bravely and all that.
But, you know, Dick Cheney, President Bush was hiding off at Air Force Base, refused to come back to D.C. because of cowardice.
And so Cheney was kind of running everything on that day, on September 11th, and he said it's been reported, you know, he gave the orders to shoot down that plane.
But then they told us, no, it wasn't shut down.
The hijackers were under assault by the passengers, and so they drove it into the ground.
Do you think that plane was shot down by the US government?
I don't have any evidence of that, but I've seen other speculation that that plane may have been heading for the Chicago Tower, and if it wasn't for the people on the plane that diverted it.
And I lost a constituent that was a pilot on one of the planes, Michael Horrocks, who went to Westchester, the same school I went to.
And I immediately contacted his widow and raised the funds to build a playground in his honor at the elementary school for his kids.
So I felt it personally.
The story is a story that America has to come to grips with this.
Because if there's any one story...
It's going to determine whether or not we are a country of what we all claim to be.
Then, as painful as it is, we have to learn the lessons from that.
If we don't, and we allow these people that were involved in these cover-ups, and in my case, the people I'm talking about are covering up without any hesitation the intelligence side of it.
If we don't do that...
Then this is just inviting this to happen again and again.
And it's going to continue.
You can't have that in a country like ours.
We're supposed to be the symbol around the world.
And we get laughed at by people.
The people in Libya know what we did and why we did Gaddafi.
North Korea, we had a solution for North Korea that Colin Powell endorsed that I worked on with a bipartisan delegation that the White House under Bush didn't want.
And look at now, North Korea is threatening an attack.
All of these things we create.
And if the American people don't have access to know the truth, then we're not really what we say we are.
Five Republicans, four Democrats, all committee chairs except me.
I was appointed by Newt.
And we spent six months behind closed doors looking at all the data about why China stole our technology.
And what we ended up with was a 9-0 vote.
Our security was severely harmed by China's acquisition of technology.
And Chris Cox wanted a 9-0 vote.
I went beyond that.
And working with the people that I had befriended that were doing the able-danger stuff, I said, why did this happen?
And they produced charts for me, which I have given to you, to show the process that China established.
And China did what we do.
We try to spy on other countries.
That's part of the game.
It's legitimate.
But if you get caught by that, that's your fault.
China set up a process using money through the Central Military Commission, the People's Liberation Army, to set up front companies to deliberately acquire selected technology in the U.S. by using campaign donations, primarily to the Clinton campaign in the mid-90s.
The charts show that.
You have those charts.
Those donations resulted in waivers of arms control agreements.
Those donations involved in waivers of controls over technology, and all the technologies are listed.
Those charts show that four Chinese nationals who had no citizenship rights here gained access to the White House, in some cases 49 times in one year.
They were raising money for the Democratic National Party and Clinton.
All of that was orchestrated by Sandy Berger, politically.
In the end, what happened was we basically empowered China to acquire our technology by allowing them to use campaign donations.
And the best example I can give you of this is, There was a very specific inquiry done by the Justice Department of the Lurau Corporation in California.
Lurau Corporation, a very capable space company and technology company, had been caught transferring stage separation technology to China.
Stage separation technology allows you to have a multi-stage missile to go long distances.
So the Rao Corporation was caught transferring that.
That's a violation.
So the Justice Department, this is public information, was about ready to indict the CEO, Bernie Schwartz.
Bernie Schwartz went to Sandy Berger and received, this is public information, a retroactive presidential waiver.
Retroactive presidential waiver.
The technology had already been transferred.
Now they get the waiver that it's okay.
And that year...
Bernie Schwartz becomes one of the single biggest donors in the history of the Democrat Party.
I put all the donations in the congressional record.
So anyone can go back in the congressional record to that time period and look for my speech and you'll see the donations of Sandy Berger to the Democrat National Party and Al Gore and Bill Clinton while we were giving our technology.
Then Sandy Berger was involved in the run-up to 9-11, and he was still Clinton's security advisor.
He was told he had to appear before the 9-11 commission.
So two weeks before he was to appear, he gets permission to go to the National Archives in Washington, and he goes up to the top floor in a special room.
It's a big empty room, and he didn't realize he was on camera.
They bring out documents that he has to see before his testimony.
He said it was to refresh his memory.
He ends up stealing those documents.
In a case that many remember and laugh about, he stuffs the documents in his underwear and his socks and his shirt pocket.
You've seen the story, and it's all true.
He leaves the archives with those national security archives, all pre-9-11 intelligence.
And by the way, none of this is in a 9-11 commission report.
Yeah, well, we know that Clinton could have taken out Bin Laden in the base camps many times.
I mean, all of this, and there's much more intrigue that I don't know about.
That's why it needs a thorough investigation, not of staffers, not of hacks, but of people of intellect and people who are willing to put the country first.
I mean, it's like, oh, the Kennedy Association, UAPs.
I mean, I'm all for disclosure because we own the government.
We're shareholders.
We're not slaves.
So that's my view.
I always push for disclosure, and I really mean it.
But a 9-11, I don't even know anyone who wants – I do, but I don't know anybody else other than you who really wants full disclosure because it's like you can feel it glowing.
You just feel like, I don't know what that is, but that's really scary.
You know my partners, Judge Sullivan, very distinguished, the former deputy director of the FBI, Buck Revell, Jim Woolsey, former deputy, former head of the CIA, Chuck Brooks, who you got a note from, former top guy at Homeland Security,
But without naming specific names, I'm familiar with every person that you just mentioned, and I would say from my impression, having lived in D.C. for 40 years, those are good guys, I think.
Honest people.
Yeah. But without naming anybody, like, people who, and those are all very highly informed people, like, actually, for real, not bullshit.
The only reason that I've never done a 9-11 show, not a single one, really, that I know maybe one in 30 years, 20, well, now 24 years.
But the only reason that I wanted to talk to you specifically is because I was there, and so I know how much you know, and you're not a fake person at all.
You're like right at the center of it.
So I think you have complete credibility on this topic, and I think it's pretty hard to dismiss you as a wacko.
If you're a wacko, then why are you going to take over the Armed Services Committee?
Clearly! So I do think you've got a lot of credibility, but it's just interesting.
You're obviously very focused on this.
Just to restate, the people that you talked to who are in similar positions of authority, who would have access to real intel on this, they all think the 9-11 report was just silly.
They think that there's a lot more to what happened than what's being told.
The firefighters think the same.
But a firefighter who's doing their, you know, the key thing and why I devote my life to firefighters, they're the most powerful people in the country.
They're not driven by power nor money.
But when I organized them back in 1987 and the fire caucus became the largest in the Congress, I said, these are the people that make America work.
Right. But for people who are thinking, wow, this is a little more serious than I realized, and I want to know more, and clearly Wikipedia is a filter, not a way to actually understand history.
What should people, what responsible, credible accounts of 9-11 would you recommend people read?
My Hollywood film, the proceeds are going to firefighters.
It's about my book.
But Bravo 7 gives you the story of what really happened from the eyes of a firefighter.
And then it has the audio comments of Oreo Palmer.
And if you're a human being and you listen to that brave firefighter with two kids, I think two or three kids, who's risking his life after he went up 40 floors in the elevator, climbing up 38 floors with his team, arriving on the floor of impact and saying,
I can handle it.
And if we let him die there like it was just some random thing, then we're not human beings of decency.
Ray Downey told us 93, eight years earlier, this is going to happen again.
Ray Downey told us in the Gilmore Commission we needed to have this fusion center.
We allowed unnamed scumbags.
We allowed unnamed scumbags in the agencies to block transferring the information that Scott Philpott and Tony Schaefer and Eileen Pricer and Eric Kleinsmith had that they tried to transfer to the Justice Department.
And they also had information that...
Before the attack on USS Cole, when they ruined the career of Kirk Lippold, the commander of the Cole, and I defended him.
If we're going to truly be a country that really cares about other people and what we're doing, then we have to live up to that.
How can you send your kid to war or combat and all this crap about giving them a home and a place to live and health?
Well, great.
Let's do it up front.
Let's prevent them from needing a home.
Let's prevent them from needing health care.
Let's prevent them from having to be put in a shelter someplace.
Let's focus on the veteran before they become disabled.
Let's focus on the firefighter before they die.
But see, the media, the media and the intel deep state likes to make it look like, well, we got all these charities out there.
These charities allow us to give money like we really care about them.
Caring about them after they're dead is not the same as preventing them from dying.
And that's what this is about, preventing them from dying.
And I'm not going to stop until we take the necessary steps to never let this happen again.
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