Dr. Mary Talley Bowden exposes how COVID-19 vaccines became politicized tools, alleging suppression of early treatments like ivermectin while hospitals pushed mandates despite breakthrough infections in vaccinated patients. She cites VAERS data linking 38,000 deaths to vaccines and describes chronic neurological injuries dismissed as psychiatric, comparing it to historical medical gaslighting. Legal protections for manufacturers, like the PrEP Act, shield them from accountability until 2029, while whistleblowers like Brooke Jackson face DOJ obstruction. Bowden’s shift from vaccine advocacy to skepticism—sparked by her own post-flu-shot illness—reveals systemic failures: corporate-controlled medicine, suppressed dissent, and a healthcare system prioritizing profits over patient safety. [Automatically generated summary]
You were one of the people who was right about COVID, and certainly more right than the U.S. public health authorities and the global public health authorities.
And I'm just going to summarize in two sentences what I think your position was.
So you're a physician in private practice in Texas, and you're vaccinated, by the way.
But at first you have no real reason to think that this is all completely backward, but then you treat COVID patients, thousands I think, and you start to realize that the therapies that the U.S. government is recommending are not working, that the vaccines are not working as advertised at all, and you start saying something about it and offering alternatives to it, which are badly needed in the middle of this moment.
And you're attacked, really attacked.
Your livelihood, your professional credentials are attacked.
And then time passes, now four years, and it becomes really clear that once again, you were more right than the U.S. public health authorities.
I think that's just demonstrable.
I think the science proves that.
So here's my question, after a long preamble.
Have you been rewarded for it?
Has the AMA given you the Physician of the Year Award?
No, I'm serious.
Has anybody said we were in attacking you and you deserve credit for your foresight and bravery?
No. And, you know, he was a big guy, but he had no comorbidities.
He had no other medical problems.
And so, you know, this is, we saw this, though, with so many people, you know, day If you didn't get early treatment, the second week of illness, people would start really getting bad.
This massive inflammatory response would kick in.
Yes. It almost always happened on day eight.
It was very weird.
It was very predictable.
And, you know, the primary care doctors just shut their doors to these people.
They said, oh, this is just a virus.
We'll let it run its course and then go to the emergency room if you can't breathe.
Why would primary care physicians, whose duty it is to treat patients, and they must have known by this point that day eight is the critical day, why would they not treat these people?
Because there's a dogma that we are taught in medical school and in our training that you don't treat a virus.
That's You basically say, oh, you've got a virus and we'll just wait and see what happens.
Well, I mean, that was just catastrophic.
I mean, that was really, and I learned so much.
I mean, I had that mindset prior to the pandemic, but I just, it just didn't sit well with me when people were coming in and, you know, really struggling to just do nothing.
And so initially I tried hydroxychloroquine.
But as soon as President Trump came out and said how great it was, the Texas State Board of Pharmacy, they literally shut it down.
Like they prohibited doctors from prescribing hydroxychloroquine.
So I put it on the back burner and I just did my best.
I did breathing treatments, steroids.
I did antibiotics for secondary infection.
Initially, I didn't really have a lot of demand for people coming in needing treatment.
I was doing a lot of testing and that That sort of got me recognized in town because I had a saliva test that didn't require a swab up the nose.
I was able to get the results back very quickly.
You might remember initially LabCorp was the only lab in the country that had the test and they became inundated.
It was taking two weeks to get the test results back.
So we had a saliva test and people could just we could just give a A cup, and they could sit in their car and spit in it, and then we'd have the results back the next day.
So that's where it all started.
And then monoclonal antibodies came about, and those worked great.
I mean, I could get as many doses as I wanted.
I'd get them the next day.
I'd just contact the manufacturer, say, I need 200 doses to be at my doorstep.
Great. They worked wonderfully.
People turned around very quickly.
But, what happened is, and this is during that big surge when Jason Jones, the sheriff's deputy, got sick, couldn't get monoclonal antibodies, couldn't get ivermectin.
So, the summer of 2021, well, let's start in the spring of 2021.
So, this is following the rollout of the COVID shots.
The government is upset because People are not buying it.
People are not getting, there's very low uptake, very low interest, there's suspicion of these shots.
So, in March, they started their PR campaign, the government.
They went after ivermectin.
The FDA put something on their website about, you can't use ivermectin for COVID, that Biden doled out $11.5 billion to groups around the country.
Initially, it started with 275.
It went up to 17,000.
Influencers, church groups, sports leagues, all sorts of people, just funneling out taxpayer money to go after doctors like myself that were spreading misinformation and to push people to get these COVID shots.
So that happened in the spring.
So Houston Methodist Hospital, And that's where I had privileges.
They were the first hospital in the country to mandate the shots.
And this was April 1st, 2021.
And this was the exact day that Biden announced COVID-19 Community Corps, that multi-billion dollar propaganda effort.
I think it was very purposeful.
I think the mandate started in Houston for a reason.
I think that they knew if they could get away with the mandates in Texas, they could get away with them anywhere.
In fact, I have the CEO of Methodist, Dr. Mark Boom, on camera saying that Governor Abbott wanted them to get a shot in every arm.
That's according to the CEO of Methodist.
But, you know, he did come through eventually.
Early on.
So then that summer, I started having all these breakthrough cases.
And I was seeing it because I was testing people.
So I started to track people by their vaccination status, and I saw that the vaccinated outnumbered the unvaccinated, and they were just as sick, if not sicker.
So I brought this to the attention of Houston Methodist.
I'm sorry to keep interjecting, it's just, even though I live this, it's just so stunning to hear it recounted as crisply as you are recounting it.
So, okay, so they take away monoclonal antibodies, they mandate the shot, you're sharing your data with the hospital at which you have privileges, what are they saying?
So their response was one sentence and it said, well, we think the shots are there to lessen the severity.
Well, interestingly enough, they've never shared their data, their hospital data.
And being the first in the country to mandate the shots, you know they're sitting on an enormous amount of data.
And if the shots had been effective in preventing transmission or lowering the severity, then they should have shared that.
They would have shared that.
They would have been, you know, screaming that from the rooftops.
It fits their agenda.
But they've been very quiet about that.
So, you know, I had, you know, all these things, all these patients coming to me very distraught.
I had one patient come to me and tell me that her urologist at Houston Methodist called her and said, you're going to need to find a new urologist if you don't get the COVID shots.
And she had a history of bladder cancer, so she was very upset and she was calling me to try to find a new doctor.
We won, and the court was ordered to give me emergency temporary privileges, and then I was Either myself personally give the ivermectin to him or have a nurse do it because they thought it was too dangerous for one of their own members to do it.
Anyway, I got a notice that they were going to deny my privileges, even though, I mean, I've never been sued for malpractice, spotless record.
You know, they made me Get letters of recommendation.
They made me submit my surgical case logs.
They just fought tooth and nail to make the whole process as difficult as they could.
And the lawyers ended up having to go back to the judge and fight with them over just giving me privileges.
Whereas at that time, there was a shortage.
They needed doctors to work in the hospitals.
And under other circumstances, if I had just shown up and said, hey, I want to help out in the ICU, They would have granted me privileges the same day.
There wouldn't have been any kind of letters of recommendation or, you know, surgery anyway.
So the lawyers that were doing this case, Ralph Lorigo and Beth Parlato, they did 189 cases around the country.
Similar situation, the spouse is suing the hospital to try to get their loved one ivermectin in this last-ditch effort to save their lives.
Half of those people, they won the case.
And in the cases where they won, all but three patients died.
In the cases where they lost, all the patients died.
I mean, it's really amazing.
And Apparently, the judges, their political party, matched the outcome of the trial.
So the Republican judges were the ones that ruled in favor of the plaintiff, and then the Democrat judges were the ones that ruled against the plaintiff.
So all doctors in Texas have to take a medical legal exam, which I've already taken and passed, but they wanted me to take it again.
And I just said, no, I'm not, I'm not caving to this.
And unfortunately, the latest, so it's been three and a half years.
There have been multiple continuances.
They haven't been able to find an expert witness to testify against me.
The first one got sick with cancer.
The second one just died.
I think just chickened out.
I don't know.
And the third one, the third witness, it turns out that the entire time, and he was the former medical director of the Texas Medical Board, the entire time, the last 12 years, he's been working for Planned Parenthood.
Man, I didn't expect to be left speechless the first 10 minutes.
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So, do you think, like, take yourself You know, the medical board's job is to protect the public from dangerous doctors.
Well, if you look at, there's a great website that compiles all the ivermectin data just by itself.
We have 105 studies showing the efficacy of ivermectin.
It varied depending on the actual patient, as it should.
And you wouldn't always just use ivermectin.
So, you know, in my more severe patients I would use a combination of ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin, During that second week, I would do higher dose steroids if necessary.
I would do breathing treatments.
So it's hard to isolate saying, okay, well, it's just ivermectin.
But when you look on this compilation of studies, I mean, even in the late stages, and you were asking me about this earlier, even in the late stages, they showed that ivermectin could decrease mortality by 40%.
It's most effective if you actually take it as prevention.
So people taking it twice a week do the best.
And then the people that start day one or two or three, they're the next best.
Myself and other doctors who, I mean, I'm not the only doctor going through this with the medical board, but if they could make it a countermeasure, then it's protected under the PrEP Act, and then it makes all these issues that we're having with medical boards essentially go away.
But the studies that are all establishment, you know, in the big journals, either they didn't give the ivermectin soon enough or they gave too low of a dose or the study was sponsored by somebody that has financial interest in seeing it not work.
So there are studies countering that.
If you look at it, there's just an abundance of data showing it works and it's super safe.
So I was a little bit nervous before I started using it because of all the media that's only for horses and that sort of thing.
So I guess what you're saying, without saying it, is that there's really no compelling medical reason to call the cops if your nurse shows up with ivermectin.
If I did that and I marked the code on the sheet, on the receipt, the patient might get some gigantic bill, like $400 for doing this little simple procedure, which as an ENT is pretty essential.
It's part of our, you know, makes us different from the primary care doctor.
We're able to look in there.
So it always stressed me out in the back of my mind, like, I'm going to do this and is the patient going to get some big bill, right?
I hated it.
So when I, you know, I took time off because I had four boys and five years.
And if you go to a traditional doctor's practice, half the time they don't even know what to charge you for a cash patient because they're just so entrenched with the insurance industry.
But there is a growing movement of doctors like myself and I'm a specialist so it's a little unusual but there's something called direct primary care and direct primary care is like affordable concierge care.
So you're paying cash but it's the cost is typical like a gym membership so it's not super high.
You get a lot more access to your doctor, you got a lot more time, probably more quality.
They're not always like-minded in terms of COVID and to me that's a litmus test for your doctor.
But it's a it's a better way of doing it.
You get much more access, higher quality care, more time and you save your insurance for the catastrophic care.
That's what that's what we do for our cars and you use your In HSA so health savings account if you can get one of those and the government could expand those and make those More available for people because right now it's sort of limited based on your employer But if you can pay out-of-pocket for your basics,
then you are likely to have a better experience I Think it's in but it also frees the doctor to think independently right and to think on behalf of patients Why didn't you get the COVID shot?
But, you know, I had nurses that could do IVs, so we gave him high-dose steroids in the IV, we gave him antibiotics, breathing treatments, high-dose IV vitamin C, we gave him high-dose ivermectin, and we brought him in every day as an outpatient, because I didn't have a hospital bed in my office.
And he survived.
And I had a lot like that.
So it was very gratifying.
I learned a lot.
I mean, I learned that just because somebody's oxygen saturation is low, they don't need to be immediately put on a ventilator, which is the dogma that we came into the pandemic with.
But I think that dogma has changed, or at least, I'm not in medicine, of course, but for normal people, there is this sense that, like, stay away from ventilators.
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So you said you didn't want to go to the hospital.
I live in a obviously tiny world like we all do, but I don't know anybody who, in my world, who wants to go to the hospital.
I know a lot of people who have resolved, I'm never going to the hospital.
Why? Because you gain weight, you're more susceptible to infection, you're more susceptible to heart disease, you're more susceptible to cancer, and those are the big three.
Well, when I started 20-23 years ago, patients didn't have a lot of access to information.
Not like they have now.
So we were in charge.
We were definitely in charge because we had the information and patients really, unless they had textbooks, they didn't have it because we didn't have online information.
And now, I mean, patients are well-informed.
And so every conversation I have with a patient, I know that they have been researching and they have a lot of information at their disposal.
And I think a lot of doctors don't like that.
I embrace it because, I mean, I learn from my patients.
And if a patient finds something, I will dig into it.
Because I don't have time to dig into all of everything, right?
And you see weird things and I like it.
But I think the doctors don't like that.
It's a power thing.
I mean, it can be frustrating on the flip side.
If you feel like you really know what's going on and you're challenged by something somebody's read on the internet, that can be frustrating.
It should have been pulled off the market a long time ago.
I looked at my patients in the two years following the rollout of the COVID shots and 7% of my new patients were coming to see me for severe injuries.
I've never seen anything like it with any other product on the market.
If this were an antibiotic and you were seeing all these side effects, it would have been yanked off a long time ago.
Normally, the FDA will put a black box warning on a medication if there have been five deaths.
They will pull it off the market if there have been 50. Well, according to VAERS, which VAERS is Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, and it's vastly under-reported, which I have seen firsthand.
It's still compulsory in some states, yes, in some businesses, not in Texas.
So Texas actually passed a law outlawing mandates for COVID shots.
But I actually reached out to people on Twitter yesterday and they said, all these people say, yeah, it's still requiring the shots for jobs or a nursing program or even transplants.
I think you probably follow this as closely as anybody.
There's so much going on, so I'm gonna just plead ignorance on that basis.
There's like a lot.
Yeah. Multiple wars and the economy and you know, there's just a lot to distract you from this question But I think it's a really important question, but you are focused on it.
Have you seen any?
sign at all that these Products which according to the self-reporting system fares have killed 38,000 people that they're gonna be pulled off the market I have not I mean I it seems to me that HHS their focus now has shifted or I don't know their focus is on On food and food quality and improving that.
I think, well, what I have been looking at is spike protein antibody levels.
So, when you get a vaccine, you can, traditionally we call them titers.
So, like people who get hepatitis B vaccine, you can look at the titers, the antibody levels, and see if you have protection.
We do that in the hospital a lot.
They want to make sure if you work in the hospital, if you get stuck by a needle, you're not going to get Hepatitis B. So I've started looking at these spike protein antibody levels and it's alarming because the people, I can tell immediately if somebody had the shot.
In the vaccinated, these antibody levels are, I did an average last night, 13,000.
So, when the mRNA is in production, is integrating That it can produce new proteins just by little mistakes that happen.
So these new proteins, we don't know what they are, but they can cause autoimmune disease and possibly cancer as well.
There's just a lot of unknowns.
I mean, we don't even, we need a test to detect spike protein.
All we have now is an antibody test.
We really need a lot more.
We need an antidote.
We need, I mean, I am struggling because I have all these injured people and I usually start with ivermectin and ivermectin helps.
It binds the spike protein and it's anti-inflammatory, but we're really limited and we need a solution.
So we need the NIH to really dig into this and help these injured patients because they're very challenging and You know, we're sort of just, you know, experimenting because we don't know.
So one of the primary platforms we use for distribution is YouTube, which in general has been great, actually, if I'm being honest.
A lot less censorship than I got in any television job I ever had.
So we're really grateful to YouTube.
I never thought I'd say that.
But the one area where we get censored by YouTube is when we talk about the COVID shot, which I think is really interesting.
So this will probably be censored on YouTube, but I just want to ask you But you're a physician, clinical physician, you're treating people, thousands of people, and so I feel like I have to ask you this.
I saw a patient a little bit older than me, CEO of a company, he came in and he gave me his business card and he said, hi, I'm this so-and-so, and he gave me his other card and he'd go, and this is the biggest mistake I've ever made in my life, he gave me his vaccine card.
Very difficult to, I mean, we've gotten a little bit of improvement, but just, you know, and a lot of fatigue.
Well, in her case, she was part of the clinical trials, you said.
Right. But everybody else, not including me and you, took it because we were, you know, subject of, like, the biggest propaganda campaign in American history.
So, we were forced by the government to take it.
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Right. By the way, why aren't the companies paying these people?
Well, you look at, okay, what was their past history?
Do they have any issues?
Were they otherwise healthy?
And then, when did these things start happening and the timeline?
And then, the other thing is they typically go to other doctors and they get the million-dollar workup and they can't find anything to explain it and the doctors are baffled.
SSRI? Why do we have so many mass shooters in this country?
I don't know.
It's baffling.
That's shocking.
So they used to, I mean, in just American culture, they used to make fun of 19th century medical cures for hysteria.
You know, it was always like, you know, the Victorian medical cures, and when one would have a problem, they'd be like, here's a giant vibrator, or, you know what I mean?
Like, literally, they made that.
Like, it's all in your head, honey, calm down.
And that was like a trope.
And I was hardly a feminist, but I was kind of sympathetic to that.
Like, don't just like dismiss people, you know what I mean?
VAERS is one of those things, I love the idea of VAERS, and I remember reading the VAERS report in 2021 when I worked in television, and just going on one night and reading it, Like, here's what's been reported from this compound that people are being forced to take.
And man, I got so attacked by, you know, the Atlantic magazine and everybody.
It's like, no, this is a federal reporting system.
Right. And that was kind of the last I ever heard of theirs.
Like, no one ever mentions it.
Like, what's the point of having it if it's, like, irrelevant?
Can I ask, you've made reference like five times to numbers and the difficulty in getting numbers.
I don't understand why, I mean, I understand why the identity of patients is shielded.
By federal law, that seems reasonable to me for privacy reasons.
But, you know, just the fact that someone has this or that disease with no identifying markers connected, like, that seems like it should be public information.
But, you know, it's also, I guess, it's complicated in some degrees to get it all out there.
But, yeah, transparency would be, even aside from the cancer numbers, I mean, Like I said, with COVID, there are all these hospitals that had so much data at their disposal and didn't share it.
It'd be nice to see, you know, Houston Methodist come out and share their data with us since they were the first.
They led the way with the mandates.
It'd be nice to see how successful that effort was for their employees and for their patients.
Do you think that COVID, clearly there's been no reckoning.
You've not been recognized for your bravery and prescience, you called it.
And you should be rewarded for that.
You haven't been, likely never will be.
So there's so much about it.
The shots are still being given to babies.
That's my takeaway from this conversation.
There's no effort to pull this stuff from the market.
38,000 deaths later.
There's no recourse the average person has.
You can't afford to hire lawyers and you can't sue the companies that make these products and you can't sue the government officials that forced you to take these products.
Like everything about it is just pure Orwell.
So that's the downside and it's like crushing actually to hear all of this from you.
Didn't expect to hear this.
What are the upsides?
Like, people are more aware.
Do you see medicine in the United States getting better now that people who are paying attention know what's up?
Well, it sounds like indications suggest, I mean, I don't want to overstate anything, but it feels like the consequences are still rippling.
And I don't know why there's not an organized effort to find out, you know, are cancer rates spiking?
We eliminated cigarette smoking.
Which was supposedly the main driver of cancer.
I was there for all that.
They beat me into quitting, which is fine, you know, smoking's bad, I got it.
But like, cancer went up.
So like, at some point I have to say, stop!
You told me this, the opposite happened, let's talk about why.
I'm not attacking you, but like, I demand an answer.
And I don't know why, how hard is that to get some statistician at NIH or wherever, HHS, To tell me what's happening with cancer rates, and pediatric cancer rates especially, because that's like crazy town.
I never thought the vaccines could hurt anybody Never even in my mind.
I thought they were like one of the great miracles of science.
I was so proud that we Developed the polio vaccine, which I'm not against but I didn't know that they had Potential downsides and that's one of the reasons I was like a little slow to wanna But anyway What would you do so it sounds like you're not like against vaccines But you from what you just said the system around vaccines does not put patient safety At the forefront of concern right
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