Feb. 14, 2025 - The Tucker Carlson Show
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| That decision, we have to adjust ourselves, not to force them to change their mind. | ||
| It's not our job. | ||
| At least this is the Hungarian approach. | ||
| Probably not the American, but definitely the central European. | ||
| They are too close. | ||
| Don't forget, they're too close. | ||
| I know you don't forget that. | ||
| How would you rate Zelenskyy as the leader of Ukraine? | ||
| First of all, even if I have many critical remarks, it does not matter. | ||
| If we take the proper vantage point to see what has happened in Ukraine in the last years. | ||
| They decided to go into a war. | ||
| To defend their own territory, their own right to join NATO and to be part of the Western architecture. | ||
| Security and economic architecture. | ||
| That was their decision. | ||
| And they fight for it. | ||
| And they lost hundreds of thousands of lives. | ||
| And they fight heroically. | ||
| So I'm very cautious to make any critical remarks on the president or Ukraine, because what they have done is really something heroic and historical. | ||
| To resist to that power like Russia for that long time, you know? | ||
| So it's whatever political... | ||
| The fact itself, the fight and sacrifice is something we have to say that's really heroic. | ||
| So that's number one. | ||
| Number two, I think it was a misunderstanding on their behalf the real intention of the West. | ||
| And they thought that the West will support them forever. | ||
| And therefore their behavior was not exactly as As it would be seen as normal. | ||
| Because if you are in trouble, you need help, you are going to somewhere to ask, it's not the right tone as they communicate with us. | ||
| Anyway, so. | ||
| But they thought that they can do so, because the West will remain behind them forever. | ||
| If you understand well the history of the Western politics, this is a misconcept, may I say. | ||
| That's not what the West End did in the last several years. | ||
| So I was sure that sooner or later they will be let alone and say, guys, war is over, financial support is over, military support is over, let's make a deal. | ||
| Even if you have huge losses, this is the right moment. | ||
| We would not like to risk World War III. We would not like to risk a direct conflict with Russia on military fields. | ||
| So my heart is with the Ukrainians, but they are in big, big, big trouble because of the position they have now on this whole issue. | ||
| Many billions of dollars of Western weapons have flowed into Ukraine. | ||
| A lot of them have been sold. | ||
| It's a fact. | ||
| And I wonder if you're concerned about the effect on your security of this. | ||
| I mean, you have lots of weapons floating around anywhere. | ||
| It's dangerous. | ||
| Some of these advanced weapons, actually, where they are. | ||
| So, just again, very cautiously. | ||
| And now everybody thinks that we have a problem called Russia, which is true. | ||
| But then soon we will have another problem called Ukraine. | ||
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Yes. | |
| So, I think that's right. | ||
| New Defense Secretary of the United States, Pete Hegseth, gave a speech two days ago in which he started by saying Ukraine is not joining NATO. So that's the core. | ||
| That question was the cause of this war. | ||
| That's the baseline demand of Russia. | ||
| I think it makes intuitive sense to even people who don't like Russia can understand why they want that. | ||
| So now that the United States has just said that, is that the basis of a peace? | ||
| What else do we need to get to peace? | ||
| You live in the United States, and it's probably difficult to imagine the strength of liberal dictatorship of public life we are living under in Europe. | ||
| So, you know, the pressure from the liberal public opinion is so strong on the leaders that in the last three years, all the European leaders followed the same track. | ||
| So, try to imagine that a big European nation leader says that we have to support Ukraine, whatever does it take. | ||
| We have to do, this is a moral-based position, we can't change it. | ||
| And they should join NATO, and we are arguing in favor of that. | ||
| And then, just to say next weekend, guys, there are some changes in the world, so our principally base position is over, and now, you know, turn like that. | ||
| So, To make that change with the present leadership, it's difficult to imagine. | ||
| I would not like to make nasty jokes, but now, because of the American decision, it's really time for sober up, but they are in the phase of re-drinking. | ||
| So it takes time to change the direction of the sheep. | ||
| Just today, they issued a paper, they issued a statement. | ||
| The big European nation saying that they continue as they have done, regardless of what the Americans have said. | ||
| That's just this morning. | ||
| Are we going to have to invade France? | ||
| Is that what you're saying? | ||
| Sorry, sorry. | ||
| Just kidding. | ||
| No one wants France at this point. | ||
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unidentified
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Sorry. | |
| Discuss in another form. | ||
| Sorry, sorry, sorry. | ||
| Another form, another form. | ||
| Totally get it. | ||
| Optimistically, though, if... | ||
| If you believe, you know, I think the Trump administration really, the president has said it a number of times, we need to end this. | ||
| Do you think it's possible that we see like a permanent resolution within the next six months? | ||
| Is that realistic to hope for that? | ||
| Yes, definitely. | ||
| Even earlier. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, I think so. | ||
| You know, serious guys. | ||
| So strong men make peace. | ||
| Weak men make war. | ||
| That's so simple. | ||
| Now we have strong leaders. | ||
| Last question, and I appreciate this, and I want to say before you leave, I'll just say it. | ||
| I don't mind sucking up. | ||
| I think there's a reason you're the longest-serving leader in Europe. | ||
| I think history, for all the criticism you've taken, will. | ||
| Don't forget that I have another record I hold. | ||
| It's more important. | ||
| Longest-serving leader of opposition in Europe. | ||
| 16 years. | ||
| Just because I'm... | ||
| Just because I'm accused not to be democratic, you know, don't forget that, okay, 19 years in government, that's something. | ||
| But 16 years in opposition and to lead up, that's even more. | ||
| So I had that record as well. | ||
| So I know the both sides of democracy, the sunny one and the raining one as well. | ||
| So I never left politics, even I lost the election, so I'm a political animal who is running a democratic political architecture and machinery in my country. | ||
| Sorry for interrupting. | ||
| Which did you enjoy more, honestly? | ||
| When I was in opposition, I had more time to deal with football. | ||
| Which is a real issue, anyway. | ||
| Where do you think the European public is? | ||
| You said a couple of times that the behavior of the leadership of We do run that. | ||
| So I run that kind of opinion polls. | ||
| So I have a view on all European countries. | ||
| And I can say that the majority is moving to the peace position. | ||
| And the pro-peace is bigger now. | ||
| There's a majority of the pro-peace in the European public opinion in general. | ||
| There are some, one or two countries which is exceptional, all the others belonging to the same track, more, more, more for peace. | ||
| But there is another opinion, Paul, which is even more important. | ||
| I would not like to divert this conversation, but we run every year and we ask the Europeans, what do you think about the life of your children? | ||
| Will they have a better future and better life than you have now, or it will be worse? | ||
| And, you know, all the Western countries say worse. | ||
| All the Central European countries say better. | ||
| So this is the real difference now inside the continent between the Western countries and the Central European countries. | ||
| So we still believe occupied countries by... | ||
| Soviet Union, communist dictatorship, regardless of that, we still believe that we can create a better future for our kids than we live today, but the Westerners think just the opposite of that. | ||
| So that's another very interesting structural difference inside the single market and the European Union. | ||
| Because your life force is intact. | ||
| Because, that's one, but the other one, what we have now, we fight for. | ||
| We fought for it. | ||
| Democracy, freedom, The Western generations who are now in power and ruling the countries, when they were born, there was democracy and freedom in the Western part of Europe. | ||
| I spent 26 years of my life in communist dictatorship. | ||
| I haven't inherited freedom or democracy. | ||
| We fought for it. | ||
| We did it. | ||
| We got it. | ||
| So we fought for it. | ||
| So therefore, we are absolutely convinced that we did it not in vain. | ||
| It was a science. | ||
| And we are able to create and build up countries, central Europe, after 45 years of Soviet occupation and communist dictatorship, which our kids will enjoy and deserve. | ||
| So democracy and freedom in eastern and central part of Europe is a serious thing. | ||
| It's part of our life. | ||
| It belongs to our heart. | ||
| It's the essence of our life. | ||
| Investor societies, you know, they inherited. | ||
| It's a given thing. | ||
| Even the middle class, well-being, well-being, convenient way of life also. | ||
| So when you look at the European Union and Europe, don't think that it's the same everywhere. | ||
| So there are differences, not just on national basis, but on historical basis as well. | ||
| And I don't know what is the future of Western Europe, but I'm totally convinced that Central Europe and Eastern Europe, Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary, Serbia has a definite bright future. | ||
| I'm sure of that. | ||
| I am too. | ||
| Mr. Prime Minister, thank you. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| That was wonderful. | ||
|
unidentified
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Thank you. | |
| Thank you. | ||
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