Tucker Carlson and Charlie Spiering dissect Kamala Harris’ fabricated identity—from her racially performative name demands to her invented ties to Black activism, Hindu spirituality, and Canadian roots—while exposing her opportunistic political pivots, like embracing Medicare for All only after primary losses. They mock her selective cultural associations (e.g., claiming a Black "second mother" while dismissing Christianity) and her hypocrisy on Me Too, defending Jussie Smollett but abandoning Al Franken. Her VP pick wasn’t merit-based but a symbolic ploy to energize Democratic bases, despite internal resistance from figures like Susan Rice, revealing a career built on performative outrage and corporate alliances over convictions. Harris’ thin-skinned reactions—like her Vogue controversy meltdown—underscore a persona defined by fragility and manufactured narratives, leaving her ill-equipped for leadership beyond performative politics. [Automatically generated summary]
Well, if I pronounce my own first name at least two different ways, as she has, we have it on tape, then I think it would be a lot to attack other people for pronouncing it differently.
It's something that if you're that insecure about how people pronounce your name, you know, it shouldn't be, you should just be able to either quietly correct them or be completely, just go with it.
So, about a year I spent working on researching, writing the book, and wrapped it up, the first draft, by the summer of 2023. So, just to skip to the end, and we'll unpack it, of course, but did, by the end of your research, did you like her more or less?
I would say the main thing I mourn as I look back in the world I grew up in that's now gone, the thing I miss most is the directive that came very clearly from my family and I think in most families.
But I think for her, a huge part of it is just crafting her identity from the very beginning.
When she first started running for national office, she was very focused on creating this image of her as a person, really baking into her identity, first of all, that she was the product of, that she always cared about politics, she always cared about justice, she grew up marching and shouting with her activist parents, who pushed her in a stroller through these protests.
And then, you know, skip a few decades and then suddenly she's sort of the product of the overarching progressive movement.
That somehow she's always been this progressive liberal who has always been very focused on justice and truth and has made it part of her life and part of her biography when that's not really true.
She went to a school with a lot of elites in the country and was certainly aware of what was going on, but she was sort of alienated from the overall American experience, right?
Well, she was very inspired by people in her life, people who were in California, to go to Howard.
This is definitely a product of Kamala Harris seeking to sort of seize on an identity by going to Howard in D.C. as this historically black university and really sort of embracing that identity.
Using that as she moved back to California and went to law school in California and sort of jumped into the legal world.
Yeah, I mean, the parallel Obama is a much smarter and more talented, I think, than Kamala Harris.
But there is a similarity in that both of them have these rootless childhoods, not their fault, of course, broken families, pretty tragic family situation for both of them.
And both of them...
And neither one of them has anything to do with American black culture at all, either genetically or culturally.
They have just nothing to do with it.
And both of them decide to become American black people.
She ran a daycare business in the same building as their apartment.
And she helps raise the children while mom's at work.
And so she describes this woman as her second mother.
And this is the mother who is connected with the Black South that took Kamala to, you know, Kamala talks about her taking them to a Christian Black church.
And even, she says, they sang in the choir at this church.
And so whenever she's in a place where she's speaking to the Black church, she refers to this experience.
Whereas when she was running for office in California, her mother...
But at the same time, when they were doing magazine articles with Kamala Harris' real mother, she said that, and they were speaking to certain audiences, her real mother said that she grew up in the Hindu temple and practiced all of the traditions and believed in all the Hindu Religious practices.
That definitely came from her mother and some of her earliest profiles back when they were just running for her first office as district attorney and trying to make the case that she was a real genuine person who really wanted the job and had a cultural identity that was close with San Francisco and really made the best case for her as she was sort of running for office.
But even before that, when she won in 2016, she was sort of one of the small victories for women at a time when their greatest champion, Hillary Clinton, was vanquished by, at the time, Donald Trump.
And so when she declares victory in 2016, her race for Senate, she tears up her speech and delivers something entirely different.
Really trying to inspire and encourage everybody who's watching and vow to be the next great fighter who's going to go to Washington, D.C. and sort of stop Donald Trump.
Yeah, very quickly because they saw that things were not going well.
For the Democratic Party.
And one of her first things she did when she got to Washington was deliver a big speech at the Women's March and basically saying, we are here to fight.
Yeah, and as someone who's really, from the bottom of my heart, pro-women, I just have always really liked women, I started to rethink my position on women just watching the people at that speech.
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If you remember the famous moment when she kind of made up this story, when she's asking about whether or not he ever discussed the Russia case with any lawyer from this Kasiewicz firm in Washington.
And Kavanaugh's being very careful because he doesn't want to be pushed into a perjury trap.
But he says, you know, I can't think of any.
Is there a moment that you're thinking about?
And she's indicating that, yes, there is a moment she's thinking about.
And she's like, but you're not going to tell me, are you?
And Kavanaugh's still being very careful.
And it turns out, like, she never had any evidence of this ever happening, but she wanted to get him, wanted to catch him in this moment.
And ultimately, reporters were kind of surprised by the end of this great exercise that, oh, wow, she has no evidence that he ever...
Met or spoke about the case with a lawyer from this firm.
But yeah, it was back in the days when anything Russia, Russia, Russia related was hot political news, right?
If you could ever just smear anybody with the very whiff of Russia, it was always considered a great victory, which kind of pales in comparison now.
Yeah, looking back, the stupidity of that is just awe-inspiring.
No, of the Russia stuff.
The idea that the Trump campaign was colluding with anybody, to actually believe that you would have to know nothing about what the Trump campaign was really like, where they were a little disorganized.
They were not even colluding with each other.
That was insane.
It was evidence-free.
Russia was not a threat to the United States.
There were a couple of other countries that were playing in a huge way in our elections and still are.
No one will ever mention them.
It's not Russia, to put it mildly.
Everyone in D.C. knows that.
Russia had no role whatsoever in our domestic politics.
And they had no sort of agenda that would affect our core interests.
And it was always very puzzling because it started from this dossier, right, that they always had in their back pocket, but didn't use it during 2016 because they didn't think they had to.
But once Trump won, it was the first thing that they pulled out of their pockets.
So, if you were to summarize how she behaved during the Kavanaugh hearings, I mean, I think I remember her going all in on the rape stuff or sexual assault stuff.
She was very, very adamant about supporting Christine Blasey Ford, and it was also around the Me Too movement, right?
She was very...
She honed in on that as a political force that would help her.
So when it came to that, she was just very intent on pushing Christine Blasie Ford as this hero, as this patriot.
She repeatedly claimed that she believed her when she first spoke, before she even met her.
She repeatedly said that she was a patriot and a hero for coming forward.
And she really thought that this was the moment that she could really push through and stop Kavanaugh.
You know, Democrats didn't have much to go on.
But when they found out that Dianne Feinstein had this letter from Christine Ford, who wished to remain anonymous, different, you know, she confronted Feinstein about the letter.
Like, you better address this.
Once reports started leaking out about the existence of this letter, she confronted Feinstein and said, you better address this or it's going to look real ugly for you.
So, Feinstein was eventually forced out to make this letter public, to bring her into the conversation, even though she wanted to remain anonymous.
And so, this woman was ultimately pulled into the fight.
And senators and Senate staff went through that.
It was a very tough time for a lot of people in the Senate.
Maybe she's still a progressive hero among some, but we've seen this story before where the Democrats will pull an unsuspecting character to weaponize against the Republican Party and just sort of cast them aside when it's all over.
Makes me think of all the moms who lost their sons in Iraq, how they were weaponized and held up as paragons of, you know, this is why the Bush administration is evil, because we have this poor woman who's suffering the loss of her son.
This whole Me Too movement that was kind of around 2018, I believe.
17, 18. Right around this time that Kavanaugh was sort of brought up and the entire movement was kind of leveraged in this whole thing where it's like, believe all women, and that's our new platform for the Democratic Party.
I'm sorry, I keep interrupting you, but it's just funny to look back.
It's like a time capsule.
You remember these moments, and in retrospect, they're so...
Completely absurd.
It's hard to believe that Martha Raddatz and Joe Scarborough and all these other supposedly educated people are saying this stuff with a straight face on television.
Kamala Harris was one of the first to see this as a politically advantageous position to take, the Me Too movement.
So there's video of her marching in San Francisco at a parade with championing the Me Too movement and who's who's along with her noted celebrity Jussie Smollett.
I think bossed around by his wife, that was always my impression, Franny from Portland, Maine, as I recall.
But the point is, he didn't do anything wrong, and if he had just ridden it out for a week and just let it hunker down, you know, go to Barbados for a week, come back, he'd be fine.
He was an elected United States senator, and he gave up his seat voluntarily because, Four ambitious girls didn't like him.
At the same time, she has somebody in her office that is also under investigation for his own Me Too stuff when he was back in California.
So someone in her close circle, I don't want to get his name wrong, but it was somebody very close who was being investigated by the justice system in California.
They ultimately had—he was sued by a woman for inappropriate behavior, and they eventually had to award this woman a big payout because of things that he had done to her in his office in his previous job.
When Kamala Harris is informed about it, she has no idea.
But to have someone on her staff who was involved in this whole situation and then suddenly claim ignorance when the ruling is issued really doesn't pass the smell test.
Well, also, I mean, Kamala Harris got her job because she was having sex with a married older man, Willie Brown, and then she was Montel Williams' side piece.
So it's like I'd love to know her actual perspective on sexual politics is a little bit different from maybe what she's saying.
Willie Brown was this character in California politics that couldn't be brought down by corruption, but he was always teasing and joking about corruption.
You get to be Attorney General of the State of California and a U.S. Senator and Vice President, but you do give up your right to lecture me about feminism.
And as a charitable man who instinctively likes women and likes kind of plucky up-from-the-bootstrap stories, I think you could tell that story in an honest way that might make you admire Kamala Harris.
And she winds up becoming attorney general in the biggest state, and she's willing to do whatever it takes to get that, including have sex with Willie Brown and Montel Williams.
If you told a story that way, I'd say, well, you know, morally it's obviously malodorous, but on the other hand, this woman has a lot of energy.
She's focused.
She does what it takes to get what she wants exactly right, and she's totally self-made.
Why wouldn't you look at that and say, I can seize this for myself, as long as I show up and demand it?
And Willie Brown taught her how to do that.
He talks about it in his book.
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It's very interesting because, and I talk about this in the book a lot, is when she was sort of this, like, Democratic champion in the Senate, where she was known for repeatedly fighting and getting angry and doing her utmost to, you know, crush Kavanaugh, I think she realized at some point that if I'm going to run for president, I need to, like...
Be sort of a little more than just this opposing force.
I need to have an idea, an identity that attracts Americans to vote for me for president.
And so that's when she introduces this concept of a joyful warrior.
She makes a hard pivot away from the fighter and goes on Ellen and delivers this elegant soliloquy.
About the importance of being a joyful warrior, about loving your country and fighting for your country, and not being angry all the time.
She had multiple interviews where she's like, I'm tired of being mad all the time, and I want to be a joyful warrior.
And this is actually before Kavanaugh, because she has this reputation of being a fighter in the Senate.
Then she pivots to be a joyful warrior around 2018. Then she pivots back to the vengeful warrior when she's fighting Kavanaugh.
And then by the time she's ready to announce her campaign for president in 2019, early 2019, she sort of pivots back to this idea that I'm a joyful warrior and all I care about is speaking truth.
As a politician, when she's talking about the community, she's talking about her childhood community that she grew up in, leaving the Canada part out entirely, and then just pretending she's always been from Oakland, which she's actually from Berkeley, but she doesn't like to talk about it.
We had some reporters from the Daily Mail, which is where I work, and they sort of tracked him down, and he does actually live in a house not too far away from Conal Harris.
And it does not look like they spend a lot of time together, if at all.
I think the last time he posted photos of an adult Kamala Harris and him together were from many years ago, before she came to Washington.
And he does a lot of work with economics and Jamaica and the World Bank.
But he's also semi-retired at this point.
So, yeah, he's just kind of this figure that exists in D.C. but has no close connection with his daughter.
He wrote a brief piece about his Jamaican heritage and how...
Kamala Harris was connected to that.
He wrote that for a Jamaican newspaper where he talks about his life and, you know, having Kamala at a young age and then, you know, becoming distanced and eventually estranged entirely from her.
Yeah, it's a very sad story.
He writes in his book, his book about Marxist economics, he talks about, you know, this book is dedicated to my daughters, Kamala and Maya, from whatever relationship we have.
It's a little bit of a sad story because it seems like he was kind of pushed out of the family's life entirely after quite some time.
Well, they totally rejected it during the campaign, her failed presidential campaign, when she thought she was launching this historic, future-forward-looking campaign in 2019, in January of 2019, when she announces her run for president.
She has all the support from many of the donors, many of the major media elites.
She has this moment with people like Rachel Maddow, who says, I do think that you are one of our strongest candidates, and I do think that you're going to make it to the final finishing line.
It's really an impressive effort by the elite in the entire party.
They want to see Connolly Harris succeed, and they're very bullish about her chances when she gets into the race.
So the candidate that Democrats really want is the socialist, but he criticizes the banks, so he cannot be allowed to be the nominee, because you can't criticize banks.
So when she runs as this, you know, she moves herself so far to the left right before she runs for president, she's become this radical leftist candidate, even more radical than Bernie Sanders himself.
She endorses Medicare for all, but when she's up on the debate stage and they're like...
But if you have Medicare for all, and this means getting rid of private health care, and she's like, that's right.
I agree.
And then when she gets enormous pushback, media coverage, the health insurance industry, then she walks it back and says, well, actually, I don't mean that.
I'm sure private insurance will still be around, and I want it to be around, even though there is socialized health care.
Well, that's not really how it works, but if you can pivot.
Quickly to say that, and then she makes the same mistake again.
And this is when, you know, you obviously have a core Democratic Party that wants to see you as like this leftist champion, like Bernie Sanders is, right?
Conlon Harris really wants to be that figure, and is doing her most desperate attempt to win sort of the Bernie Sanders mantle.
But the Bernie Sanders supporters are very angry with her for even pretending to be a socialist, democratic socialist, right?
Because she's not.
And so I think that there was a very— Well, she's a tool of the banks.
Well, she's willing to do the bidding of anybody who can get her in power.
She's not—she was never known in California as someone who was—you know, she talks about this—we keep going back, I'm sorry, but she talks how much about how she— Yeah.
And activists have all been very frustrated with her unwillingness to take risks until she's running for president, and then she's suddenly for everything.
She's for reducing red meat consumption.
She's for banning plastic straws.
She's for decriminalizing prostitution, despite her mixed record on that.
She's for legalizing marijuana.
She just totally pivots and becomes this figure who supports every single radical agenda item during the Democratic primary.
Once she hits Iowa, her whole life, she's lived in a one-party state, California.
And the idea there is to get the backing of the elites, the donors, and then raise enough money to just plaster the air with advertising.
Then you win.
As long as you have the blessing of the elites, then you can pretty much win in California.
You don't have to necessarily go on the ground and convince voters.
You just need those three things.
And so she goes into this primary in Iowa with sort of the same focus, right?
Win the blessing of the elites, raise a bunch of money, run all the advertisements.
And then when she hits the ground in Iowa, she suddenly finds that Democrats are not.
They're willing to listen, but when they listen to her, they're not satisfied with what they're hearing.
They see her on the debate stages making the case for all these progressive policies, but then when she's asked to defend them, she's either walking back or changing her mind on these issues.
On top of it all, in the very beginning of her campaign is when the Jussie Smollett stuff breaks.
And that's when she sort of rushes to his defense and is the first candidate sort of leading the march for justice for Jussie.
So when she first goes out on the debate stage and basically calls him a racist, when they ask him about the accusations of women of unwanted touching and groping, she says, I believe all women.
And they have the right to say that.
So she's one of the first ones to sort of tackle Biden as this out-of-touch dinosaur who no longer belongs on the national stage.
She said as much during the debate, you know, trying to be nice.
I'm not calling you a racist, but let me call you a racist.
Yeah, she pulled that from Biden's past, but at the same time, he's out there talking about the good old days when he worked with segregationists and everybody got along.
And certainly the modern left is like, well, you can't do that.
And the people who promoted it sent their own children to private school.
I don't know.
The fact that she got up there on stage and yelled at Biden, who's a pig, I'm not defending Biden, but, like, the one place he's been right in his career was to oppose busing.
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Some people liked it, some people didn't.
And more importantly, the people who were really in charge of the party and who was going to win were not happy with it.
And I think that's kind of why she pulled back.
Like, with Biden's record, and if you're a Democrat, a young, rising Democrat, and if you really want to take out Joe Biden, if you go at him hard for about four or five months on his record, you can pretty much turn the entire—I think you could have turned the entire party against him.
But because he was sort of seen as maybe the only one who could defeat Donald Trump, I think that there was a lot of force from the establishment Democratic Party that's like, look, just leave him alone.
The moment that effectively ends her campaign, as I was saying, is the moment that Tulsi Gabbard had the courage to get on stage and call her out as a fake progressive.
and I think that really deep-sixed her campaign and crushed her.
She was never able to recover from that.
There were several attempts at reboots.
At one point, standing for censorship of President Trump on Twitter, that somehow she was going to leverage her entire political reboot on this idea of censoring President Donald Trump, or even progressives like Elizabeth Warren were like, what are you doing?
I think you're supposed to support free speech as part of the Constitution.
But at the same time, she delivered a speech at the NAACP that said, I will increase the number of attorneys at the Department of Justice to go after hate speech and misinformation on social media, and these social media companies better be very afraid for what I want to do.
How do people like that, who weren't even meaningfully attached to this country in any way or understand what it is, how do they get positions of power?
I don't understand.
How could someone like Kamala Harris, who obviously doesn't like the United States but doesn't even really understand it, she gets to administer our laws?
I think it's very much focused on how can we find a willing participant to do everything we say and be willing to be.
Someone who doesn't have any core values is easier to manipulate.
Yeah.
And I think that they saw her as somebody, which is part of the reason why they chose her as vice president.
This is someone who obviously has the support of the biggest donors, who also has been out in the streets during the George Floyd protests, you know, backing the idea of these protests.
And what better person to be President Biden's running mate than the person who accused him of being a racist?
Right, bring her into, and that's sort of what she, that was sort of how she leveraged her way into the front of the pack, right?
It was during the entire Black Lives Matter, George Floyd protests of 2020 that tore up the entire country.
And I think that many in the Democratic Party thought that she was necessary to tack on to Biden, who clearly had his problems during the debates on Black issues, you know, suggesting to Black families that if they didn't play the record player at night, they were raising their children wrong and telling all these bizarre stories of, you know, relationships with Black people and were just totally out of touch.
So I do think they felt that they needed to put the Obama coalition back together if he was going to have a chance of winning.
And in order to do that, you need a person of color on the ticket.
And then it became, you know, as he's exploring the idea, like, you know, there's a number of women he really liked, but certainly on the top of the list were some of these sort of, these figures like Gretchen Whitmer of Michigan, who he felt was kind of this fun, rising who he felt was kind of this fun, rising power in Michigan, who was kind of populist when she ran for office and kind of had this idea of fixing the damn roads.
You know, that's just music to the ears of this future president that just wants to fix infrastructure.
That's one of his biggest issues.
So he's certainly attracted by her.
Amy Klobuchar was also someone else that he was interested in bringing on board, someone who he thought would be good.
But it became very clear that, and certainly his campaign advisors as well, believe that, no, it's not just enough to have a woman on the ticket.
We need a woman of color on the ticket.
Because if you look back at Hillary Clinton, she lost a lot of the black vote.
I've always been kind of impressed by Susan Rice, even though I fear Susan Rice, and I don't think she's a particularly good person, but I definitely have some respect for Susan Rice.
Well, the whole Benghazi story was bullshit in the first place, and the amount of lying by conservative media about Benghazi enrages me.
The point of Benghazi was they were moving weapons from Gaddafi's weapons stockpiles to Syria to fight an undeclared war that only hurt the United States, and a lot of those weapons are going to Islamic extremist groups.
And that was the actual story.
And that was suppressed because the neocons didn't want to talk about that.
I'm not endorsing anything that Susan Rice has ever done.
I think Susan Rice is one of the reasons that the country is so screwed up right now.
All I'm saying is, if your job is to run the government, you don't want to pick someone who's pathetic, like Kamala Harris, who's not done a single thing in her entire life.
For everything you can say about Joe Biden, he was very deferential to the president.
And he was very loyal to him and worked very hard.
Like Obama's not sort of...
A warm, glowing figure that wants to be friends with everybody.
But Biden sort of wormed his way into a buddy-type relationship with Obama.
And they actually got along pretty well when they were in office, despite obvious frictions between the two camps.
That always happens.
But I think that he thought that Kamala Harris would sort of drop everything and become wholly united to his vision and his campaign.
But they found out very soon after they took office that no, Kamala Harris had no interest in being Joe Biden's buddy, had no interest in taking hard issues off his plate or defending him.
I think it was very clear from the moment she got into office, she was here for the next step in her career, and she was going to do everything possible to sort of preserve her political future.
And not waste it on this aging Joe Biden who is clearly on his way out.
Wait, so you're saying that Joe Biden picked a ruthless careerist loyal to no one but herself and was shocked to discover that she was a ruthless careerist loyal to no one but herself.
I'm only in charge of root causes in the Northern Triangle.
He was very adamant about that.
Even correcting Joe Biden behind the scenes when he's in Congress, he's like, and Kamala's going to take care of the immigration problem.
And she would be like, actually, no, Mr. President, I am only handling the root causes of immigration.
Maybe it's Mayorkas or...
Or somebody else that's actually going to handle the immigration problem for you because that's not my job.
But, you know, now we have this whole thing, like, she was never the border czar.
But she was in charge of the messaging on immigration when she made her trip to Guatemala and told migrants, do not come.
If you come, I believe you'll be sent away.
Well, we all saw how effective that messaging was.
So, it's very clear that the administration really wanted her to take this issue off the plate, to be the messenger on immigration, and she sort of wriggled out of that assignment.
Ultimately, you know, did she succeed at any aspect of the root causes?
I think they might have some metrics to say she did, but...
I think they really hoped she would rise to the occasion.
There's reporting done that Joe Biden said that...
She was work in progress just two months ago.
He still believes that she was making her way, but probably hadn't risen and seized the imaginations of the American public as well as they had hoped as being this sort of transformational figure, historic figure, right?
Like, how can you not just instantly become an American icon?
But with Kamala Harris, it was a very big struggle.
Bring her into these positions because she's seen as this obvious person that we need to center our agenda on to show how diverse and how open we are.
To new personalities and new people and how fresh and young and interesting we are.
And the minute she diverts from the, you know, she talked about this, how she was celebrated by all Democrats.
And the minute she diverts from the agenda to warn about war in Syria, which is something she profoundly believes in, war, she's been to war, she does not like war.
But the minute she diverts from the agenda, everyone's like, oh, I'm so sorry.
Your political career is over, and now we're going to ostracize.
On the verge of tears when Brett Baier asked her a question.
It's like, oh my gosh.
So Jill Biden is very famous in D.C. This is a product of my reporting from living down the street from her, as like a real bitch, as someone who's, you know, tough and nasty.
You're obviously part of, have been in politics for a very long time, so you're used to people attacking your husband.
And certainly with Joe Biden, he was attacked for, he always wanted to be president, and he was always pushed aside by the elites, so she did have a chip on her shoulder.
She single-handedly got on the phone eating anchovy pizza and sweats, wearing her sweats, and made enough phone calls to where she could wrap up the entire nomination in a day.
So, but we know for three weeks, maybe four, from after the debate in June to the day that Joe Biden announced that he was stepping down, there was a furious amount of activity behind the scenes.
Pelosi, Schumer.
And you know that Kamala Harris has to publicly backing Joe the whole way, but what are her people doing behind the scenes?
Is there no effort to sort of make sure that you're being considered?
There's people who support you, who will get power from you if you are elected, that are working on your behalf.
That just happens organically.
Our political system, right?
It's been going on for generations.
So you have to imagine that there was always going to be this idea that there might be an actual convention where we go and choose the candidate that we want.
So I think that Pelosi and people did want to see a choice because they had hoped that the strongest candidate would emerge.
I think a lot of the reason why Biden ran for re-election in the first place is because he and many in the Democratic Party, and certainly in 2023, nobody thought that Kamala Harris could win a race for president against Donald Trump.
Not even win a primary.
They just didn't think he was ready.
And that's what's so fascinating.
When I published the book, a lot of what I was reporting and researching was 23 in D.C. when Washington, D.C. had thoroughly rejected her.
We're even having conversations of why not get rid of her entirely on the ticket?
We need somebody else if Joe Biden's going to win again.
You show up and you are not ready and you make mistakes, as she clearly did during her first three years, and that's pretty well chronicled, then they turn on you.
They don't see you as valuable.
And they had officially, most of Washington thought she was a complete joke.
She didn't have, you know, there's not like these defenders or people who actually want to see you succeed in Washington.
They're all rooting for your failure, and they only respect you if you prove them wrong.
And Colin Harris clearly wasn't proving them wrong at this point in 23. So when she's ultimately kept on the ticket, it's for obvious reasons.
Like, we can't just kick her aside and bring Gretchen Whitmer in to save the day to run with Joe Biden.
I don't know too much other than what's been reported, right?
It's just that...
Ultimately, she selected Tim Walls.
She had a prior relationship.
In fact, Tim Walls first appeared on the campaign trail when she went to Minnesota to visit a Planned Parenthood clinic for being the historic first vice president to actually campaign at a Planned Parenthood clinic.
It's one of the first times you see Tim Walls on camera, which I didn't recognize him at the time, but going back and looking at her speeches there, he's right behind her, clapping the whole time.
When I did the reporting from the book, and I certainly did not pick up on this, but in Washington at the time, he was widely celebrated, widely liked.
who is he no he's an entertainment lawyer yeah and so he was connected by one of comal's friends and i think that they ended up together because obviously it's very good in this time of your life to not be a single person i think that's especially if you're pursuing higher office you don't want to be a single person and you know um and you shouldn't be it's Right.
We both should be on the same page or you're not really married, right?
Obviously.
These are obvious things to non-political people.
It's not just Kamala Harris.
She's not the only one with a fake marriage in politics.
Most of them seem to have those, but I just want to say that out loud because it is really sick.
It's not normal, and we should just acknowledge that.
So, remember what normal is.
Normal is when you have a marriage, it's a partnership, a full partnership, where if you're going to make a major life decision, you talk it over with your spouse.
Can you just describe, for maybe people who haven't been reading the Daily Mail, so what are the stories that we've, what have we learned about Doug Emhoff?
Right, that he had this relationship with this pretty professional, pretty successful female lawyer, and that he struck her in the face when they were at a public event together.
And then afterwards, he kind of forced his way into her taxi, even after the incident, and basically was like, well...
This is just the product of our relationship, and this woman is clearly very upset, very frightened by what he's done, but he doesn't necessarily, it's not, let's, there's no attempt to heal, or it just seems like it's the product of what happened that night, and he certainly doesn't seem to repent from that, certainly not publicly.
Okay, so the bottom line is, he was dating a woman, They're in Cannes, France, south of France, at the film festival, but at some AIDS event, as I remember.
The evidence that we've gathered and the testimony, the evidence from that night, is certainly more real than any other accusation we've heard about a lot of men politicians recently.
But yeah, the reporters who worked on the story and the editors who worked on the story...
She spoke with a lot of witnesses about what had happened, who recall that day, the day that she called them to tell them what happened, and this corroborated evidence with evidence of the flight ticket.
There's certainly enough there, and you had a great conversation with Megyn Kelly, who came away, you know, Megyn Kelly's pretty a sharp lawyer, right?
I feel sorry for him just because his life seems depressing.
But I don't like his politics.
But I also know that there have been a lot of people whose politics I also don't like who've been destroyed by false accusations of Sexual harassment, physical abuse.
Like, there's a lot of falseness around Me Too claims, including people I know.
And I had one of them on the other day, Mark Halperin.
And so I just want to be fair.
And I'm also really uncomfortable with any accusation from an anonymous source against someone we name.
Like, so we name the person who's been accused, but we don't name the accuser.
I just want to say for the record, I think that's immoral.
I don't think we should have anonymous accusations, but whatever.
It seems very common now.
But I just want to make sure that that...
So you believe they know who this is and this seems like a real thing?
Yeah, that's what I've kind of, you know, because I remember Obama, and I remember how...
The media was how they acted during the Obama administration.
And if they had actually held them accountable on a few things, then it might have gone better.
I think, as a journalist, you kind of want to just hold people accountable and puncture through their false narratives, reveal who they really are, kind of expose their weaknesses, warn the American people, like, this is the type of person that you would vote for.
This is how they act behind the scenes.
This is who they really are.
We're not going to let the politician tell their own story.
That's not good for America.
That's not good for democracy.
You have to know the full story.
And you have to have impartial people looking into it.
But if there's nothing wrong with being gay, which is certainly a position, in fact, it's morally superior to being heterosexual, obviously they say that, in effect.
If the State Department's pushing it on every country around the world, then why would it be somehow crazy or out of bounds or taboo or offensive for me to say to Tim Walz, you seem gay.
Yeah, it makes sense, you know, when you look at what our media has become, and when you look at the questions that they ask when they get the privilege, you know, interviewing a presidential candidate is now a privilege.
It's bestowed on you, and you have to demonstrate that you're worthy on a number of issues.
The first person that got an interview with Kamala Harris was the woman from MSNBC who publicly said she didn't need to do interviews, and then suddenly she gets an interview.
But Stephanie Ruhle got the first solo sit-down with Colin Harris.
I think that's true.
And yeah, she publicly said on Bill Maher that why does she even need to do media when it's very obvious that she's the best candidate compared to Trump.
Right, but the point is that she has an enemy's list of reporters who don't appreciate her rise to power, and any time that they stray from the official Coleman Harris narrative, then she's not going to do an interview with you.
Which is why you have so many reporters being very cautious, very careful.
And she certainly earned that reputation throughout her whole presidential campaign.
I mean, reporters and editors were very familiar with getting angry responses from the way they covered.
Growing up in that neighborhood and experiencing Kamala Harris for who she is.
I mean, very insightful interview.
And I think there's a lot of people talking about who the real Kamala Harris is that...
I think that's why ultimately she feels like she has to come out and do a media tour because she has to distract from the conversations that are actually taking place.
Yeah, I mean, we don't have a working, it's just North Korean press agency here.
So, yeah.
Well, bless you and the Daily Mail and anyone else who retains a commitment to telling the truth, you know, imperfectly because we're people, but, you know, trying.
I don't think we can function as a free country without it, so I appreciate your doing it.
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