John Rich reveals Revelation, a song he claims was divinely dictated after a Nashville epiphany, blending biblical prophecy—like the "mark of the beast" and 2 Thessalonians 2—with warnings about modern "theology of darkness," from Eminem’s satanic imagery to Trump’s near-assassination attempts as signs of spiritual warfare. Rejecting pre-tribulation rapture doctrines (tracing them to Scofield Bible influences), he insists Christians must endure tribulations, citing Matthew 24’s cosmic disturbances and martyrdom risks, while critiquing mainstream faith for prioritizing comfort over scriptural literalism. His father’s 34-year street ministry in New Orleans’ French Quarter contrasts with today’s institutional Christianity, framing current global chaos as prophecy fulfillment. Tucker Carlson, skeptical but intrigued, highlights the song’s viral success and its alignment with political shifts—from Trump’s legal wins to Elon Musk’s endorsements—while Rich warns of a coming "great delusion" for those who ignore biblical warnings. [Automatically generated summary]
Revelation was written by the Apostle John at the end of his life.
When he was basically a castaway at that point, and he started receiving visions and prophecies, and he wrote down what he saw.
And a lot of what he saw, you've got to remember, he only had his life experiences to try to describe what it was that he was seeing in these prophecies.
Like, he's seeing all these things that are going to happen thousands of years in the future, and he's trying to describe it to us in the terms that he was familiar with.
So, I mean, the book is absolutely incredible, and it's not just Revelation.
Revelation ties back into Daniel, which was around thousands of years before John.
It also ties into Matthew 24 and 2 Thessalonians 2 and 1 Corinthians and a lot of other places.
People think that the whole end times discussion only resides in the book of Revelation, but that's not true.
I grabbed a guitar off the wall, a pencil, a notebook, went and sat in a quiet room in the house, and in about 60 minutes, the entire song had come out.
I sang it into my little voice notes on my iPhone.
Put my earbuds in and walked around the house, just pacing around the house, listening to it over and over, and the hair is raising up on my arm.
And as I'm walking around listening to it, and the hair's raising up on my arms, I remember looking out the window, and I looked up, and I went, what do you want me to do with this?
What do you want me to do?
And the message I felt coming back to me was, take it all the way to the mat.
That's the phrase that hit me.
Make the audio as great as you can with your skill set.
Make the video as compelling as you possibly can.
And when you get those things done, tell as many people as you can.
Slam it out there with no fear as hard as you possibly can.
I did not lay out some marketing strategy for the song.
I was given instructions as to what to do with it.
And listen, it's an unnerving thing to write a song like that, to sing it, and then put it out there in front of God and everybody, especially in the way the world thinks and operates today.
So before we get into what the song is actually about, Will you just describe, like, how do you roll something like this out if you don't have publicists, record label, if you don't have the machine?
And that may sound like some kind of weird thing for people to hear, but that is exactly what happened.
I'm not capable of writing lyrics like that.
And first of all, they're not really lyrics.
They come right off the pages of the book, man.
I mean, I just made it rhyme.
I just made what John talked about in Revelation.
I just crafted them so where they would rhyme and become a song.
But, you know, the entrance of the song says, Dancing in the flames, the people cursed his name, talking about Jesus, and bowed at the altar of the father of lies.
But there's a number to their days and all their evil ways.
The Lord's going to turn away from all their cries, meaning at the end.
And what that's talking about is when you watch the Super Bowl halftime show, or you watch the Grammy Awards, or you watch some of these big concerts and music videos where they are putting satanic symbolism right in your face.
They are practicing witchcraft on the stage right in front of you.
You're watching a football game or an awards show with your kids.
And now, whammo!
Straight evil coming straight at you.
We've all seen this now.
Somebody has to counter that.
You know, these guys have all these massive budgets.
The entertainment value, the ability to produce those things at such a high level, it's impossible to look away from it.
You know, it's like, boom, pow, huge, special effects, all this stuff, and everybody's just mesmerized, and it's going right into them.
Yeah, because the industry, you know, the way those movie industries, music industries, all of that, now not everybody in those industries obviously is, you know, some kind of a Satan worshiper or something, but there's a lot of that in there.
There's a lot of that in there, and they have spent decades programming us from a young age to think those things are fine and normal, and they get rewarded for that.
People that really serve the father of lies, they get rewarded by him when they proclaim his word and do what he tells them to do.
And so, revelation is the other side of that.
That's why I went to such extremes with this video, because I wanted it to compete visually with what people are used to seeing.
I didn't want it to be like some one-dimensional looking thing.
I wanted it to be up to the level to what people are used to seeing.
If we're going to combat, we're going to present both sides, play at a high level.
Well, it became, they got so arrogant with it, it seems like in maybe the last less than 10 years.
I don't know what happened on their side, but I guess they got the green light to go all the way in.
And that's when you started seeing, for instance, Grammy Award performances where people are literally coming out wearing satanic symbols.
They are carrying out, I guess they were mock seances, but I mean, it looked pretty real to me.
And all of this stuff started happening.
Even some of your biggest artists in the world, during their live concerts in full of giant stadiums, full of people, are doing these things out on the stage.
In between their hit songs, they'll come out as just part of the production of the show.
It's art.
It's just art.
I mean, go look at, there's a rapper named Lil Nas out there, and trust me, everybody watching, you won't know, but everybody watching this, most people will know what I'm talking about.
When you see him giving a lap dance to the devil in his video, straight up, and they are not ashamed about it.
You look at Eminem's new record where the titles are Lucifer, Antichrist, Evil.
This is out right now.
So I don't know what happened on their side to go pedal to the metal with it.
But they absolutely did.
So on the other side of that, what are we supposed to do in response to that?
Just yell at it, scream at it, be disgusted by it?
It says in Ephesians, we wrestle not with flesh and blood but with principalities and powers and the rulers of spiritual darkness of this earth, of this world.
That is the battle.
That's the real battle.
And they say, you know, in the Bible it says you can't see that because there's a thin veil between the physical and the spiritual and what's going on just on the other side of the veil.
But when you read Daniel and you read Revelation, it says at some point that veil will be torn, which my song talks about that.
And when that veil is torn, you'll be able to see what's going on on the other side of that.
And so in the video, you see the devil.
Come blasting through a fiery portal out in the woods of Tennessee on one side of a little country church on a black horse, and he starts running, and he looks nasty.
It's Nick Searcy, by the way, the actor, my good friend.
He plays the devil.
He's one of the nicest guys you ever met, so it's funny that he's the devil.
But he plays a good one.
And on the other side of that church out in the woods in Tennessee, this massive beam of energy comes crashing down to the ground and the trees go like this.
And out of that blast comes Michael the Archangel and he pulls a broadsword out of his sheath.
And he grits his teeth and this guy's got muscles.
That's Hollywood Yates, my buddy from California.
He comes walking straight towards the devil, and they're coming like this, and I'm standing in the middle.
I'm humanity, and here's evil, and here's righteousness, and they are about to clash.
And the point of that is to put into people's mind a representation of what is spiritual warfare.
I wonder what it actually looks like.
And I did the best job I could trying to depict that.
But when you see those scenes, I think that's one reason why this song is doing what it's doing, because...
To my knowledge, nobody's ever even approached this subject in the world of music or video.
So for thousands of years, the prophecies in Revelation and Daniel and other places seemed like such science fiction to people.
They just couldn't understand how these things were even possible.
Including my own dad, who's been preaching since he was about 19. He's in his early 70s now.
And he said, yeah, John, you know, just never could understand how some of these things were possible.
For instance, the mark of the beast.
How is it possible, we would all say, that you could track every human being in the world and know where they are and how they get their money and where they spend their money?
I mean, that's just impossible.
And here we sit going, oh no, they're tracking us right now.
They know exactly where we spend our money and where we get our money.
Because it says you won't be able to buy or sell unless you have the mark of the beast.
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So now all the things that need to exist physically are all here now so that the prophecies that have been laid out.
Could now physically manifest.
Now I don't know if that's going to be today or a hundred years from now or a thousand years from now.
I don't know the answer to that.
But I do know this is a new era.
So when you read Revelation and you read Daniel and you read these other prophecies, it now doesn't sound like science fiction anymore because we see it every single day.
And I also don't quite know how I read the whole thing and didn't catch that.
Because that is one of the central questions.
I mean, that's like top three question of our current moment is, will we allow technology to take our autonomy away and, for example, control what we buy or sell?
It was also an act of God that the situation was allowed to happen in the first place.
Don't forget that part.
It's all an act of God.
All of it.
So, the Lord allowed the situation to happen, and then he allowed Donald Trump to survive the situation.
I wonder, I had this thought this morning before I came and saw you, and I was reading and thinking, praying about it, and I said, I wonder if what just happened to Donald Trump, this near-death experience he just survived, is not...
An analogy for what's about to happen to the United States of America.
Is America at some point going to have a near-death experience, but survive it, but nevertheless have a near-death experience?
You know, if you look at America, nobody's ever been more blessed than America.
Nobody's ever been more prosperous than America, more free than America.
We've been given every possible thing you could ever want.
Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
And what has our country done with that?
Not every person, but as a whole, what have we done with that?
How much blasphemous things have come from this country and exist unchecked right now in our society?
And I think to myself, well, is America immune from the wrath of God?
Are we immune from it?
Because I'm pretty sure he's really upset with a lot of the things we've done.
And I think the only way people ever truly repent and come back around is to have those...
What we could call a near-death experience.
Those experiences have happened throughout the Bible where Saul, futurely known as Paul, who wrote most of the New Testament, his whole job was to go out and hunt down Christians and cut their heads off.
That's his job.
He was good at it.
He was ruthless.
Town to town to town.
Oh, Saul's coming.
Hide, hide.
He cut their heads off, cut their heads off.
And then on the road to Damascus, He gets knocked flat on his butt and is blinded for several days.
And in those moments, he realized, oh, wow, he's real.
I've been cutting the heads off of his people this entire time.
And he had a near-death experience.
And when Saul came out of that, he then became Paul.
And then he wrote half of the New Testament.
This is not new in God's MO. When God says about himself, I am the same yesterday, today, and forever, my word does not change.
We change, culture changes, the world changes, but he doesn't.
So however he dealt with things all the way back to the beginning of the written word is exactly how he's going to deal with them now and into the future.
And that is something people don't want to come to grips with.
America likes to make Jesus into their own image.
A lot of Christians like to make Jesus in their image.
The Jesus that exists and whose words and deeds are recorded in the New Testament, how is that Jesus different from the one that we hear about in a lot of churches?
You know, There's a verse, I actually printed it out.
I know it, but I don't want to misquote Scripture at all.
2 Chronicles 7.14, very well-known verse.
It gets quoted all the time.
If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and heal their land.
Okay, that gets read all the time.
Here's the part they missed, Tucker.
The very first line.
If my people will repent.
If my people will turn from their wicked ways.
Not the devil's people.
He's not saying, yeah, if the devil's followers will just repent and turn around, I'll come heal your land.
No, he said, if my people will.
Mine.
The ones who have my name, who bear my name.
Christians.
If they will repent and turn from their wicked ways.
So, the answer to your question is, for a very long period of time in this country, we've not had any type of persecution or horrible things happening that would humble a Christian like that and refocus them to understand who he actually is.
And so, because of that, all these bad things are happening.
Now, that is not going to be preached in a church.
I promise you, Tucker, no preacher is going to say, it's our fault that this is happening.
Because it puts the onus on them, on me, on you, on Christians.
They don't want to have to take that.
It can't be my fault.
This is all the devil's work.
Well, it says right here, if my people, it says it right there, if my people who are called by my name humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, dude, read what it says.
I mean...
For too long, preachers have gone in and sanded the edges off of these very literal and very powerful verses to suit the narrative.
It's not unlike what they do in the media.
We always talk about how the media will take a story about how a war started or some big thing that's going on, and they'll twist it around to fit the narrative that they want to have to accomplish whatever it is.
Well, the same thing happens with Scripture.
All the time.
And it's been happening for a very long time.
I would say even hundreds of years it's been happening.
But if you read back through the history of the Bible, some of the people that came forward and Brought messages forward with the most unlikely human beings you would have ever picked for.
So David is the only man in the Bible that God said is a man after my own heart.
It's got to be the greatest compliment ever given to a human being for God to say.
David is a man after my own heart.
But let's think about who David was for a minute.
So David, when we first really start learning about him, he's a shepherd boy, probably a teenager.
And the Israelites are facing off with the Philistines.
And they refuse to take on the Philistines because of this giant standing out there named Goliath.
We all know this story.
And David goes to visit his brothers out there in the field.
And he's like, why are you guys not, why are they still over there?
Blaspheming us.
I mean, why haven't you taken these guys out?
And they go, well, David, don't you know they've got a giant?
He goes, oh, that's why you're not doing it?
Because they got a giant?
Well, yeah, he's 10 feet tall.
He goes, oh, okay, I'll be right back.
And David runs down to the creek and he picks up a few rocks and has his sling on him.
He goes, watch this.
Wham!
And he lets the rock fly.
Hits Goliath right between the eyes and knocks him down.
People think that that's what killed Goliath, but that's not what killed Goliath.
That's what knocked him down.
And so when he knocked him down, there's Goliath laying there dazed and confused, like, wow, what just happened?
And as he's in that state, David pulls Goliath's own sword out of Goliath's sheath, which was probably heavier than he was, raised it up over his head, and cut Goliath's head off in front of the Philistines and the Hebrews.
And then he turns around and looks at the Hebrews and goes, you ready to fight now?
And they went, wham!
And here they come, and they destroyed the Philistines.
They ran them completely out of there.
So if David's a man after God's own heart and that's how David operated, I would argue that's how Christians are supposed to operate.
There's a difference between, you know the scripture that says pray for your enemies?
There's a difference in our enemies and God's enemies.
It does not say to pray for God's enemies.
Matter of fact, it's the quite opposite of that.
In Proverbs 6, people that say, well, God loves everybody.
Nowhere does it say that.
Proverbs 6, it lists the people that God hates.
It uses the word hate.
And one of the first things he lists is those whose feet are swift to shed innocent blood.
He hates them.
We are not supposed to pray for them.
And you go into Psalms 139 and David says, I hate your enemies talking to God with a perfect hatred.
That's what he wrote down.
There's a lot that Christians are confused about right now.
It's all kind of mangled up and mished and mashed together from all the centuries of preaching this stuff, that they have lost their edge, they've forgotten who they are, and they've forgotten how Jesus operated, how his people operated, and where we're supposed to land when this is all said and done, especially when you are taking on the absolute evil that runs the world, like we talk about in Ephesians, the spiritual warfare side.
And I met a lot of the people and I couldn't be nicer.
In some of the stuff that they leave, which I read, actually, there's a sense that we can predict through numerology, for example, the day history's ending.
200 years ago, basically, in 1830, a very wealthy, very charismatic preacher named John Darby, D-A-R-B-Y, came with this doctrine that's now referred to as the secret rapture or the pre-tribulation rapture.
And that message took off.
Why wouldn't it?
I mean, who doesn't want to hear that we'll all be out of here before anything bad happens?
That's a great message.
That'll pack the fuse right there.
I love it.
And it allowed them to say, for all we know, the rapture could happen before this church service ends right now, so you better move.
So C.I. Schofield was basically a student of John Darby, and he adopted that part of the doctrine.
And he incorporated that into the Bible.
It was the first Bible ever made that had study notes with it.
We have all kinds of Bibles now that have, you know, concordances and study notes and all kinds of stuff that go along.
But this was the first one that was ever made.
It became so popular.
Every Christian was reading it.
Every minister was reading it.
And this continues today to this exact second.
My own dad, when he went in seminary and was, you know...
Wanted to become a minister.
They said, make sure you have a Schofield Bible now when you come to class.
Have your Schofield Bible.
Schofield Bible also adopted that entire John Darby philosophy of Christians will not be here when the bad stuff starts to happen.
And most Christians still believe that.
Matter of fact, a lot of my friends that are Christians are going to watch this interview are probably right now going, hang on a minute.
Now hang on.
So this is pushing back against a doctrine that's been...
In existence now for coming up on 200 years.
The problem with that doctrine is there's several places in the Bible where it talks about what's going to happen prior to Jesus Christ coming back to the earth.
When he does come back, that is when what we call the rapture happens.
The word rapture is nowhere in the Bible.
It talks about us being caught up with him and pulled out of here, and then the ultimate wrath is poured out on this planet.
That's what we call the rapture.
So that's not in debate.
The question is, what happens leading up to that?
It's a good question to ask, right?
For some reason, nobody ever preaches that.
They don't want to talk about what all happens prior to it.
Yeah, he was connected to the Rothschilds family back in the day.
That he did the same exact tactic and twisted that.
I don't know why he did that.
It worked because it took off.
And I mean, it was...
There were churches popping up everywhere right after that.
I'm saying that, including me, including my own father, for a long time, that's what we believe too.
But when you start actually going back and reading line by line by line what is said that will be leading up to Jesus coming back, which is when the rapture happens, it's the inverse of what John Darby put down.
And so, yeah, to this day, including this morning, I mean, I just want to, because I'm coming from total ignorance that my father was not a preacher, to put it mildly.
Yeah, I don't have the background at all, so I just want to know what it says.
I don't want to be misled.
I've lived a life in the media, so I'm highly familiar with how populations are misled, lied to, deceived, and then hurt on the basis of those lies.
I know a lot about that, and I didn't want that.
That's why I don't have TV. That's why I don't like the internet.
I don't want that stuff in my head, and so I have no commentary at all in the Bible that I'm reading, but my sense was the Schofield stuff, which has had massive implications.
For our foreign policy, for example, and in our domestic politics, was probably a lie.
You know, it seems like a lie to me, but I don't really know.
Yeah, I think people are watching what's happening in our country and around the world, and they're becoming more and more fearful of it, even to the point of dread.
A lot of people are just consumed by what is happening.
So why is it dangerous right now that Christians have this idea that they're going to be out of here before any of the things that are prophesied about happen?
Why is that dangerous?
It's dangerous because when the mark of the beast shows up, When the son of perdition shows up, who is who we refer to as the Antichrist, when those things happen and they're still here, they'll say, well, that can't be the mark of the beast.
That can't be the Antichrist because I'm still here.
What danger does that put someone in?
That's not the mark of the beast because I'm still here.
So go ahead, sign me up.
Think about the level of danger with that.
And it has not existed, in my opinion, until recently, since technology has gotten to the point to actually execute these things.
So, if you've got a second, can I read something for you, unless you want to ask me something?
Judge dismisses classified documents case against Donald Trump.
Judge Eileen Cannon has dismissed the classified documents case in a ruling Monday.
She said the appointment of the special counsel Jack Smith violated the Constitution.
Well, that's kind of, I mean, I'm just hearing this because it just happened, but it does seem like all of a sudden, and I'm sorry to interrupt, but I just want to respond to that.
It seems like everything has aligned.
In the period of like three days to make it very obvious Donald Trump's going to be the next president.
There's no doubt about it at this point.
Very little doubt to the extent you can tell the future.
Right, and the timing of Revelation coming out, there's no way to know all this stuff.
I mean, that song comes out a few days ago, and then this happens, and that happens, and now I looked on X, and spiritual warfare is trending, and all these people are talking about that, and I went...
Okay, I get it.
I mean, that's why it was written.
That's like the musical component that's out floating around out there right now while all this is happening.
I mean, there's no coincidence in the world that can allow for that to happen.
This is 2 Thessalonians 2, which doesn't get preached very much.
This is Paul who wrote this.
Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, meaning His second coming, we ask you not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as is from us as though the day of Christ had come.
Let no one deceive you by any means, for that day, the day he comes back, will not come unless the falling away comes first and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who is who we refer to as the Antichrist, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshipped so that he sits as God.
In the temple or in the place of God, showing himself that he is God.
Jesus hasn't come back yet.
This is happening.
Do you not remember when I was still with you?
I told you these things.
And now you know what is restraining that he may be revealed in his own time.
For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work.
Only he who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way, meaning it's being held back.
And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of his mouth and destroy with the brightness of his coming.
Talking about the second coming.
The coming of the lawless one is according to the work of Satan with all powers, signs, and lying wonders.
Meaning it was rejected.
They were told the truth and they rejected it.
And for this reason, God will send them a strong delusion that they should believe the lie.
That they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Let's stop right there.
You're telling me God is going to send a delusion on people?
He's going to do that?
He's going to be the one to make them go into chaos and not understand?
He says, yes, that is what he's going to do because he's given them chance after chance after chance, and they refused to believe the truth and rather believed a lie when the Antichrist shows up.
But we are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren, beloved by the Lord, because God from the beginning chose you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth, to which he called you by our gospel for the obtaining of glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or by epistle, meaning by letter.
Now may our Lord Jesus Christ himself and our God and Father who has loved us and given us everlasting consolation and good hope by grace comfort your hearts and establish you in every good word and work.
So that's 2 Thessalonians 2. He lays out.
Before he comes back, you're going to see the Antichrist.
He's going to show up.
He's going to be running the place.
Now that goes, I'm telling you right now, heads are exploding in the church world and with a lot of Christians.
They're going, But you can get mad all you want to.
I'm reading it verbatim.
If you don't, if you got a problem with that, go tell him you got a problem with it.
If you don't want to believe it, put some louder fluid on your Bible and throw it in the fireplace, because what's the point?
So, I'm personally in a weird position where I've never heard any of these conversations.
I didn't grow up in a church like that at all.
I grew up in a fake church.
That makes total sense to me, that there would be deception.
Well, there is deception everywhere, but you're saying that this letter, Paul's letter to the Thessalonians says, and Revelation says, and maybe Daniel says too, it's all over the Bible, that there will be a leader who people worship as God who is not God.
So this winter, I'm standing in the kitchen with my dogs and my wife comes in.
She's just come back from a long walk and she has this look on her face.
This look of tranquility and joy.
And peace.
And I said, what have you been doing?
And she said, I was praying.
And I said, where?
She said, on my walk for an hour and a half.
And it turns out she was listening to something I'd never heard of before, which is an app called Hallow.
Hallow, H-A-L-L-O-W. Hallow, like hallowed.
And a friend of hers gave it to her.
And this set off a chain reaction in my family, where pretty much everyone in my family started to listen to Hallow every day.
It's a prayer app.
And it's the best way, as you know, to find peace.
And this makes it very easy to set aside the time to deeply pray every single day.
I'm so impressed by Hallow that I tracked down the number of the CEO and I called him and I said, I want to advertise this on our podcast because it's something that I really believe in and I think you do an amazing job.
And it's basically non-denominational Christian.
You don't have to be Catholic or Protestant.
You can be any kind of Christian.
But Hallow will help you focus your prayer in a way.
It'll be very obvious to your husband when you walk into the kitchen.
Probably not, most of the time, except in 2 Thessalonians, it says he will send a great delusion on the people because they refused the truth and refused him for so long that he goes, okay, I've given you every shot I'm going to give you.
Now here comes the cloud.
Here comes the fog.
Here comes, I don't know where I'm at.
And he's going to let those people who rejected him.
Over and over and over and rejected the truth.
He allows them, as I call it, walking into the buzzsaw, walking into the woodchipper.
That's a hard thing, man, for Christians to come to grips with that he said that.
Because they have, yes, because not just them, and this is not the preacher's fault.
This is not the Christian's fault.
They're not at fault for this.
This has been around since way, way, way before any of us were ever thought about.
It's become accepted doctrine that the footnotes that Schofield adopted from Darby is biblically accurate.
And the only way those can be biblically accurate is you're going to have to erase several of the things that were said.
And they're like the one I just read in 2 Thessalonians 2. You'd have to rip those pages out for that to make sense because it literally lays out step by step.
You're going to see this and then I'm going to show up.
The greatest one ever is Matthew 24. And that does get preached a lot.
But they preach it backwards.
And I don't know how much scripture you'll let me read on this show.
And they're hanging out in a park, basically, in a nice little spot that they were hanging out.
Matthew 24, start with verse 3. Now, as he sat on the Mount of Olives talking about Jesus, the disciples came to him privately saying, Tell us.
When will these things be, and what will be the sign of your coming and the end of the age?
Asking him.
And Jesus answered and said to them, Take heed that no one deceives you.
For many will come in my name, saying, I am the Christ, and will deceive many.
And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars.
See that you are not troubled, for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places.
All these are the beginning of sorrows.
Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for my name's sake.
Now that's an important part right there because a lot of people have taught over the years that because he was talking to the twelve disciples, That he was specifically only referring to them and their country and their heritage.
But when it says, for bearing my name, for my name's sake, that means Chinese Christians, North Korean Christians, Eskimo Christians, South American Christians, American Christians, anybody in this period of time that bears the name of Jesus Christ will be hunted.
It says, killed, hunted, hated by all the nations around the earth.
That's an important distinction.
And then many will be offended.
That sounds familiar.
Now, here we go here.
The abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet.
The abomination of desolation, Tucker, is when the Antichrist steps into that role that we talked about in 2 Thessalonians.
When you see him standing in the holy place, then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
Let he who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of the house, and let him who is in the field not go back to even get his clothes.
And woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days, and pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath, for then will be the great tribulation.
Such has not been seen since the beginning of the world under this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Jesus still hadn't come back yet.
Remember, this is the disciples asking him, what's going to happen before you come back?
All these things are happening.
And unless those days be shortened, no flesh would be saved.
But for the elect's sake, meaning his people, those days will be shortened.
Then if anyone says to you, look, here's the Christ, or there, do not believe it.
For false Christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, meaning they'll perform miracles in front of you.
If possible, they could even deceive the elect.
See that I have told you beforehand.
Therefore, if they say to you, look, he's in the desert, do not go there.
Or look, he's in the inner rooms.
Do not believe it.
For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will be the coming of the son of man.
For wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together.
Now we're in verse 29.
Immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light.
The stars will fall from heaven and the powers of heavens will be shaken.
Then, verse 30, then, then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven.
And then all the tribes of the earth will mourn and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
And then he will send his angels with a great cloud and a trumpet.
And they will gather together his elect from the four winds from one end of heaven to the other.
Matthew 24, when the disciples asked him, what's going to be happening before you come back, boss?
All right, sit down.
I'm going to tell you.
And he goes.
Play by play and then this and then that and then this and this and this and after this happens, then you'll see me coming.
So it is such a dangerous mindset for really saved people and Christians to think that they're going to be pulled out of here before any of this happens.
Why is that dangerous?
Because when those things happen, you're going to think it's not the real deal.
You're going to think...
Well, I'm still here, so that can't be it.
It must be something else.
And the decisions you make under that false pretense would be catastrophic to you.
It says anybody that takes the mark of the beast, that their name is not written in the Lamb's Book of Life.
Meaning the names that are written down, the ones that are going to heaven, your name is not written in the Lamb's Book of Life if you take that.
One of the reasons I wound up believing that this was true is because as you read this and you read Jesus' pitch to his followers, his disciples, it's kind of the opposite.
When you're in the entertainment business, you know.
It's the opposite of any other advertising campaign that you would mount.
Like, use this laundry detergent.
It makes your clothes cleaner.
You know what I mean?
Eat this food.
It's delicious.
Jesus is like, follow me, and you're going to get hated by everybody, including your own family, and then killed.
I mean, if a preacher, and many do, comes out and says, if you believe this, you're going to get rich, get a hot wife, get a huge house, you know, all good things will happen to you.
I get it.
I mean, who wouldn't want that?
But if someone like Jesus says, you're going to get to, you get to be tortured to death if you follow this, like, why would anyone follow that?
He says, rejoice when you're persecuted for bearing my name.
If they persecuted me, what do you think they're going to do to you?
I mean, yeah, exactly.
It's not really your best Tony Robbins pitch as to why you should sign up for this program.
But the benefit is, it's your eternity that you're talking about here.
You know, if you live to be 200 years old, it's like that in the history of time.
It's nothing.
I mean, like that, if you touch your hand, I had this thought a while back when somebody says, I broke my arm.
My arm is broken.
And I go, and it hit me funny out of nowhere.
I went, my arm?
Like, which part of you is claiming ownership of that arm?
Does anything own itself?
This is my table.
That is my dog.
That is my car.
That is my business.
I'm somebody's employee.
They say that's my employee.
Something is claimed by something else throughout the world.
So you go, my arm.
My arm is broken.
What is that?
That's the spirit.
That's you.
That's the real you that has to live in this piece of junk for however long it lives there.
You're actually hearing your spirit talk when you say that.
This is my arm, my face, my head, my talent, my, my, my, all this stuff.
And so people understand, they have to understand that God created you to live forever, somewhere, one place or the other.
He sticks you down on these weak little banged up bodies that he gives us, the weakest thing ever, and then turns the devil loose, and then he gives us free will.
To decide which way do we want to go.
That's why he became a man.
So he could empathize with man.
So he could understand the plight of man.
What man has to deal with every single day.
From temptation to torture to love and sadness and everything else.
Jesus experienced all of that stuff.
So I think to your point of why would anybody ever do that?
It's because it's not this you're trying to save.
It's the actual eternal you that is being saved.
That gets to go live in eternity in heaven with him.
My dad generally focused his ministry in prisons, street ministry.
My dad, when I was growing up, he did, I think it was 34 Mardi Gras in a row with a guitar hanging around his neck.
Standing in the French Quarter as all the parades are going by, and he's standing down there singing gospel music and preaching through a little speaker that he had standing next to him.
And these parades would come by and spit on my dad from the top of his head all the way down to his boots.
Over and over and over.
And I asked him one time, I said, why did you keep...
With people, hundreds of people just spitting on you.
And he said, because about one out of a hundred of them would stop and ask me what I was talking about.
So you wipe spit off your face and you tell them what it is you're here to talk about.
And I have seen him do this where some, I mean, crazy looking guy, you know, totally out there.
Start locking in with my dad, and before it's over, the guy's down on his knees, bawling his head off, getting right with God.
There's been stories of men who had murdered multiple people and gotten away with it, and on a street ministry like that, went and turned themselves into the police and spent the rest of their life in prison.
It's why I am like I am in a lot of ways that when you grow up watching a dad who has that level of conviction, and it's not that there's no fear involved or like, oh, wow, this is going to be...
No, you're still going to feel that, but you go do it anyway.
I mean, trust me, the conversation we just had about all this stuff, I've been thinking about it for weeks before I came here going, there's a lot of people who are not going to like what I'm about to say, what I'm about to read to them and push back against what they've been taught their entire lives.
They're not going to like that.
But when a song like Revelation comes along, when that's pounded into you and you're like, what do you want me to do with it?
And he goes all the way.
This interview is part of going all the way with that.
I mean, we see preachers on TV with 20,000 people in the audience and buy my book.
Buy my book.
Put your money in the offering plate.
I'm going to get on my G6 and go fly over here on a mission trip.
Right?
And they give these lukewarm messages that keep all the Christians just feeling nice and comfortable all the time, and they never go into the stuff that we're actually talking about, which, by the way, Tucker, is what is going to happen in this country and in this world at some point.
And like I said early on, everything that needs to be in place for these things to happen exists now.
For preachers not to be preaching the truth about what's going on right now is such a disservice to their congregations.
A lot of them I don't talk to a lot anymore, but the ones I still do are.
Ten times stronger than they've ever been, because they know what the truth is, too.
You know, I was the definition of what you'd call prodigal son.
Growing up with a dad like that, and then at 18, 19 years old, I'd take off.
Instead of going to college, I'd go out and start playing honky-tonks all over the United States.
Can you imagine what my dad must have felt like?
That his underage son is playing in bars all across the United States.
And then you come with, you know, these rockin' hard party songs and all this stuff.
And the songs are one thing, but the lifestyle is something totally different.
When you go out and actually live like the songs you're singing and doing those things, I can only imagine how bad that must have tore him up for a long time.
And at some point, I remember, I got saved when I was a kid with my dad.
But at one point in my life, I had the feeling that I had pushed back against what he wanted me to do for so long that he stood up and walked out of the room.
Meaning God walked out of the room, left me sitting there, like abandoned, is what the feeling felt like.
And that was the most desolate feeling I've ever had.
And if you go reading Psalms, King David talked about that a lot.
Because King David had a woman's husband killed, Uriah had him killed, and then took her and married her.