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June 13, 2024 - The Tucker Carlson Show
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Vince Everett Ellison Exposes the Lies Sold to Black America: MLK, Hip Hop Culture, & Democrats
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vince everett ellison
If you see your brother getting ready to get in anything, I don't care if he's wrong, you go with him.
tucker carlson
That's exactly how I grew up.
That's exactly how I grew up.
vince everett ellison
You defend your brother if I don't care if he's wrong.
unidentified
100%.
vince everett ellison
I don't want to see y'all fighting and arguing in the street.
If he's wrong, you go help him fight.
Totally agree.
My brother kept me in so much trouble behind that.
tucker carlson
That's how I grew up.
If your brother kills five people in a drug-related murder spree, obviously we're against that.
But get him a fake passport first.
vince everett ellison
Yeah, get him out.
See, that's why I wasn't angry at, um, I don't like Cuomo, but him being supported, supporting his brother.
tucker carlson
I defended him too!
vince everett ellison
Yeah, yeah, I said, no, no, man, I got to defend his brother.
tucker carlson
That's exactly what I said, and that's why, that's exactly right.
I don't care what, he's your brother.
vince everett ellison
He's your brother.
You stand with your brother, period.
And I didn't like them firing me.
Now, suspend him.
tucker carlson
That's how I felt.
vince everett ellison
That's so funny.
tucker carlson
And then all these people I knew who I thought were decent people were like, no, he broke the rules.
It's like, he broke the rules defending his brother.
And I don't like his brother at all.
vince everett ellison
I don't like his brother.
But, you know, when it comes to that absolute rule, it's an absolute rule.
tucker carlson
I couldn't agree more.
Then I thought, how were these people raised?
I was at a bachelor party in Newport, Rhode Island.
Like 20 years ago.
I mean, I worked at CNN. And we were, of course, drunk.
My brother was much drunker than I was.
And we were walking down the street.
My brother got in a fistfight with someone on the street.
And the guy punched him.
Right up.
Punched him.
Knocked him down.
And I thought to myself, I can hear my father's voice.
Don't let anybody touch your brother.
So I knew I was about to get my ass kicked.
And I had a Polaroid camera.
You know, remember those Polaroid cameras?
We were playing some game with Polaroid cameras.
I don't even remember.
And I took it and I thought, I'm about to get slaughtered, but I couldn't help it.
And I went and I hit the guy in the face with a Polaroid camera.
He broke on his face.
And the guy just kicked the shit out of me.
Right in the face.
Knocked me backwards onto broken glass.
I cut my hands.
I had a huge black eye.
I had to go on TV the next day with a black eye.
I did not want to fight the guy.
I'm sure it was my brother's fault.
And I said to my brother, like, why did you, you know, you obligate me to get a black eye in your defense.
I knew I was going to lose.
vince everett ellison
Believe me, man.
tucker carlson
But I could hear my dad being like, don't let anybody touch your brother.
vince everett ellison
Anybody touch your brother.
unidentified
Okay, pop.
vince everett ellison
Stand with it.
tucker carlson
Stand with it.
vince everett ellison
You know, man, it's, again, that's why your dad reminds me a lot of my dad.
He was one of those, he's just rote-minded, hardscrabble, right and wrong.
Yeah.
One of these men's men.
And again, you know, we've feminized men.
That's one of the things they want to do in this culture.
tucker carlson
So when did that start and why did it start?
vince everett ellison
Civil rights movement, man.
All those communists and Marxists got involved with all these counterculture people, the feminists, and they wanted power.
And the way you get power is by feminizing men.
LGBTQ comes in.
We are a threat.
To them.
John Wayne's a threat, man.
Jesus Christ is a threat.
The guys that stand up and say, no, it's this way.
Because they wanted to change everything.
They hated J. Edgar Hoover, not because J. Edgar Hoover hated black people, please.
They hated J. Edgar Hoover because J. Edgar Hoover hated communists.
And he kicked all their asses.
He took them all down.
And when Hoover died, they had to destroy Hoover to make it seem like the Civil Rights Movement and all the crap they were doing with the Black Panthers and whatnot was successful.
These people were horrible people.
The Panthers were selling dope on the street.
They were infighting and beating women.
Hewitt Newton beat Bobby Seale with a bullwhip.
It was insanity going on there.
They were just a mob.
but they would take these people and they would elevate them and say that this is how you need to be because we need you as suicide bombers the way Hamas has this martyr's wall right so that they can have these little children growing up wanting to kill themselves yes for Hamas they're training us to be the exact same way marching sweat
and while they're setting up in Beverly Hills and in Manhattan drinking their little you know tequilas and whatnot black people out there doing all the marching all the sweating all and getting the hell beat out and put in jail where there are shock troops We're that Hitler Youth.
That's why they need us.
And they're going to keep that going.
tucker carlson
So the idea is to make men feminism because you take them off the table as a threat.
vince everett ellison
Sure.
They're not a threat anymore whatsoever.
You and I are both old enough to remember the whole feminist movement with the bra burning and, oh boy, I don't need a man.
We're equal to men.
Marriage is like slavery.
All of that.
And we all, that was a Marxist construct.
tucker carlson
So that wasn't about liberation?
vince everett ellison
Oh, it was.
I think that they tried, they sold it as that.
It was about destroying the family.
Absolutely.
Because when you destroy the family, when you destroy the whole concept of family, the government has to come in and take over.
And that's what it did.
The black family got destroyed behind that.
Now the white family's going down too.
And America's in a death spiral.
Man, they destroyed us from within.
You remember what Abraham Lincoln said, right?
He said, nobody can cross the Pacific Ocean and take America by force.
We must live as free men or die by suicide.
We'll have to destroy ourselves.
How do you destroy America?
You must take our God, drive it mad, and help us destroy one another.
And that's exactly what's happening now.
No foreign nation is destroying America.
America is committing suicide in real time.
Well, you and I, as we get older, sit here and watching and say, oh my God, what can we do to stop this?
tucker carlson
So the civil rights movement, the official civil rights movement, was and is still described as a Christian movement.
unidentified
Yeah.
tucker carlson
Was it?
vince everett ellison
No.
Anything but.
You know, it's been a lot of great scholarship done recently.
Virgil Walker has done a lot of good scholarship.
Jane MacArthur has done some good scholarship.
And they looked at King's papers from Stanford.
Come to find out that King wasn't even a Christian.
tucker carlson
He wasn't a Christian?
vince everett ellison
No, they said he didn't believe in the deity of Christ, didn't believe in the virgin birth, didn't believe in the resurrection, didn't believe in hell.
If you don't believe in those things, you can't be a Christian.
tucker carlson
No, that's true.
vince everett ellison
So, when you look at his monument inside of D.C., do you notice a reverend is not on it?
No, I didn't know that.
unidentified
There's nothing about God on that monument.
vince everett ellison
Nothing.
This is not a mistake.
This is a confession.
They knew exactly who they were.
And our Bible tells us that a tree is known, how do you know a false prophet?
A tree is known by the fruit it bears.
tucker carlson
That's right.
vince everett ellison
You will not get good fruit from a bad tree or bad fruit from a good tree.
Each tree and its fruit will be after its own kind.
So when you look at the black community and the condition that it's in, If it's bad fruit, the tree had to be bad.
tucker carlson
That's right.
vince everett ellison
And if it's bad fruit, it's a false prophet.
It's binary.
And when you look at where we were between 1940 and 1960, the black community had cut its poverty rate from 80% to about 35% in 20 years.
The greatest reduction of poverty in the history of the world.
And then after the Civil Rights Movement, we flatlined.
Why?
We turned from God to government.
And Martin Luther King Jr. and the Civil Rights Movement led us on that.
And we know how King was all tied up with the communists.
Man, Stanley Levinson was the number one communist in America.
Bayard Rustin had been a communist in his youth.
The guy that ran the SELC, his name was Jack O'Dell, Hunter Pitts O'Dell.
He was a communist.
King's lawyer, Clarence Jones, was a communist.
Clarence Jones and Stanley Levinson say, they wrote the I Have a Dream speech.
They were both communists.
And when you look at the I Have a Dream speech, It's amazing when you dissect it and deconstruct it.
Because when King says five times in that speech, you know, the first thing he said was, 100 years after the Emancipation Proclamation, the Negro is still not free.
That is a lie!
I was born free.
My freedom is a gift from God.
It's an unalienable right.
According to John Locke and his Second Treatise of Government, it is irrevocable, non-transferable, and unsellable.
Now, King says five times in that speech that we were not free, and at the end he has that great refrain that on some certain day we'll be free at last, free at last.
Thank God Almighty we're free at last.
Still telling us we're not free.
And we make our children recite that speech every year on his birthday saying that they're not free, that they come to government for their unalienable right to freedom.
You don't ask government for your freedom.
You defy government to come and try to take it from you.
What did our founding father say?
When King George said, I'm your sovereign.
No, you're not.
I'm going to show you.
And he said, I'm not just going to come in and kill you guys.
I'm going to bring you back to Great Britain.
I'm going to choke you until you're almost dead.
Then I'm going to castrate you.
Then I'm going to cut you open and let you see your guts before you die.
And then after you're dead, I'm going to cut off your limbs and send them to the most parts of the British Empire.
And guess what the founding father said?
In the declaration, And said, we pledge our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.
Put their names on it, sent it to him, and said, bring it.
And whooped his ass.
Free men!
And then they walked around with their chest stuck out.
Yeah, we did it.
And King was running around.
King would have asked King George, he said, well, boss, can we be free?
No!
Well, okay then.
We'll just march until you decide to give it to us.
You don't give us our freedom.
We earn it.
It's ours.
Come and try to take it.
And this is the mindset that they placed into America, Black America first, but now America.
And look at the results of it.
We're at the bottom of every socioeconomic statistic in America.
And there's a revolution now happening here in America.
They're turning against the Democratic Party.
They're turning away from it because they're seeing that it's not working.
Joe Biden walking around.
unidentified
We're going to put you in the back of the buses.
vince everett ellison
The macro crowd is going to put you back in the cotton field.
unidentified
And black folks look at him like, what?
Did you see him at Morehouse College?
tucker carlson
Yeah, just the other day.
vince everett ellison
He's one of the funnest things I ever saw in my life.
He's a young black man, 21, 22 years old.
He's up there talking about, they're going to put you in the back of the buses.
unidentified
They're going to make you eat your hamburgers in the back of the restaurant.
And they're looking at him like, These young boys ain't concerned about no mess like that.
They in Morehouse.
vince everett ellison
It's a black college.
unidentified
They've already segregated themselves.
They don't want to be around white people.
They're at Morehouse.
vince everett ellison
If they don't want to be around white folks, they don't want to Harvard and Yale or something.
You're at Morehouse.
A black, all-male college.
And you're going to talk to those brothers.
Nobody.
It's been them brothers at the back of the bus, unless they want to go at the back of the bus.
tucker carlson
It's interesting that you just said they segregated themselves.
unidentified
Yes!
vince everett ellison
They love black culture.
It's not that they hate white people.
And that's what people try to say, that if you love yourself, you hate somebody else.
No, it's not true.
I mean, good God, if a Jewish person goes to a Jewish school, it don't mean he hates Gentiles.
We have to understand that loving yourself is a virtue.
Jesus said, love your neighbor as you love yourself.
So the way you treat your neighbor is predicated on how you love yourself.
So if I don't love myself and I want to inject drugs in my arm, I'll expect you to want to do the same.
And I'll allow you to do that.
Because I love you as I love myself.
If I call myself the N-word, and of course I'm going to call you that because I'm loving you like I love myself.
But he says first, love God with all your heart, your soul, and your mind.
Then love your neighbor as you love yourself.
Those are the two commandments.
We leave the first one out.
See, if you get the first one first, you get the second one first.
We just tell people, love your neighbor as yourself.
And so many people hate themselves.
They also hate their neighbor.
And that's where the conflict comes in the black community.
Martin Luther King Jr. never talked about loving yourself.
He was always trying to make some racist love you.
And you can't change how people view you.
Our Bible tells us consistently, do not be concerned about man and how he feels about you.
He will hate you.
He's going to hate you.
Don't be concerned about that.
You love him.
That doesn't give him license to put his hands on you.
Christianity is not a religion of non-violence.
It's a religion of non-aggression.
That means if you don't hurt, don't touch me, I won't touch you.
If you don't hurt my family, I won't touch you.
But if you come and you try to do harm to me or mine, I'm going to whip you up behind in the name of Jesus.
Get you off of me.
I have to take care of my family.
You know that if you let it be known that anybody can come up in your house and eat your food.
Rape your wife and your daughters.
They're going to do it.
There's no virtue in that.
None.
And that's what King preached.
Allow these evil people to come into your home, beat your wife, rape your children, blow up your house.
And that's why so many black men turned away from Christianity during that time.
They said, I'm not going to do that.
If that's Christianity, I'm not going to do it.
But they were teaching a false Christianity, a plantation Christianity from the slave master.
Jesus Christ went into the temple.
When he found those guys money changing, what did he do?
Made a whip, ran them out.
Nobody touched him until he said, my time is gone.
He was not a pinata.
He didn't allow it.
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So I think your assessment of King is right.
I mean, of course.
The one thing about his life, though, that does make me pause is the speech that he gave the night before he was shot in April of 68. And it was a garbage strike, I think.
Yes.
In Memphis.
And he was late because he was in bed with a couple of different women.
And Ralph Abernathy finally bugged him until he showed up at the church.
No notes.
And gives this speech, which is not as well publicized as you think it would be, in which he basically predicts his death.
And I've listened to it, and again, I'm not a fan of Martin Luther King, but that's the most unbelievable speech I've ever heard in my life.
vince everett ellison
It is, but King did that all the time.
tucker carlson
But I guess my point is, it's hard to see that and not think like...
God is speaking through him.
How can you predict your own death the night before?
I mean, that's unbelievable.
vince everett ellison
I mean, I think if you do it almost every day, sooner or later when you die.
tucker carlson
Oh, is that true?
vince everett ellison
Yeah, he always predicted it.
He always said that this was going to happen to him.
I don't know if he believed it or not.
I do know this, that he had such a libertine lifestyle.
Yes.
He was more like Rasputin than he was Jesus Christ.
He became an indispensable person in government for a very long time because they put so much behind him.
I read this great book.
I can't think of the name of it now.
They talked about the civil rights movement was more about the Cold War than it was about anything else.
Because the Russians were using the propaganda of how America treated black people to have African nations and Asian nations come to communism.
tucker carlson
Yes, that's true.
vince everett ellison
You're our comrades.
You're our brothers.
tucker carlson
That's right.
vince everett ellison
They had W.B. Du Bois come to China.
tucker carlson
Yes.
vince everett ellison
They gave him all kinds of awards and everything.
Stalin had these guys.
Malcolm X would go over there and talk.
So they were using it as a propaganda piece and they said, we have to take care of this.
So King was their front man in this effort.
They didn't know King was compromised by the communists until right before the March on Washington.
And that's when Bobby Kennedy, first Deke DeLoach told him, get these communists out.
Number two guy at the FBI. Yeah, he wouldn't do it.
Then Bobby Kennedy told him, man, you got to get these guys out.
He wouldn't do it.
And then...
Right before the March on Washington, the big seven, big six, whatever, came to the White House, and Bobby kind of gave John Kennedy a nod, and John Kennedy told him, come out to the Rose Garden, I want to talk to you.
He didn't even want it to be bugged in the Oval Office, because he was going to share top-secret information with him.
And he said, I know you know you're under surveillance.
That's lawyer talk for saying, you're under surveillance.
Yeah.
You have three, four guys in your organization that are communists.
They got to go.
And he called their names, said Baird Rustin.
Jack O'Dell, Stanley Levinson.
He said, these guys are communists and they have to go.
And the king tried to deny it.
He said, look, do you think I pulled these guys' names out of a hat?
I'm the president of the United States of America and I know their name.
And he brought up this guy in Great Britain that they called it some type of sex scandal.
I forget his name.
But he said, you know about this?
He said, yes.
He said, well, he lost his government behind that.
He said, I can do the same thing.
If you go down, I go down.
You got to get rid of these guys because I'm affiliated with you.
They had They invested a lot in him.
So King said he would do it.
Well, J. Edgar Hoover, of course, didn't believe it.
And he heard about this group of communists that were going to be meeting down in Dorchester, Georgia.
And he set up some cameras to see who was going to show up.
And lo and behold, Martin Luther King Jr. showed up in this nest of spies after this long conversation with the president.
And he brought these pictures back to Bobby Kennedy and said, I thought he said he's going to get rid of these guys.
He's going to cut them loose.
And that's when Bobby Kennedy signed to put the wiretaps on him.
He said, because...
And it was more to protect him because they thought he was going to be blackmailed and that he was going to be infiltrated and da-da-da-da-da.
And so they watched him and as you notice, none of this stuff really got out until...
And it's funny how it got out.
The night of the Joe Frazier-Muhammad Ali fight in 1971. Everybody's watching this fight, right?
unidentified
So...
vince everett ellison
This group of weirdo communists decided they were going to burglarize the FBI office in Media, Pennsylvania.
They burglarized the FBI office and guess what they found?
The co-interpreal papers.
tucker carlson
Yes.
vince everett ellison
Bought them out and gave them to the Washington Post and the New York Times.
And that's where all the stuff about King came out.
It wasn't J. Edgar Hoover.
It wasn't the FBI. It wasn't the conservative.
It was the liberals that put it out there.
And when people started reading it, they said, oh my God.
Hoover had kept King's stuff secret.
All of it.
Nobody knew it.
tucker carlson
The sex stuff.
vince everett ellison
Yeah, the sex stuff.
And then when it got out, the people, King's people wanted to have it all destroyed.
And that's when the judge said, no, we're going to take it and we're going to seal it for 50 years.
And nobody can see it.
But yeah, these liberal morons were the ones that broke into the FBI office and stole it and gave it to the press.
And that's how we knew about King's Affairs and his 45 girlfriends and his prostitutes and the orgies, which the thing that bothers me more about all of it, Tucker, is the prostitutes.
The orgies are bad.
We ain't got to talk about that.
But when you buy flesh, And you say you're a man of God.
I mean, that's very visceral with me.
That's visceral, you know?
Just so much terrible stuff, but the fact that, you know, they say he plagiarized his PhD, which means that he was a fake doctor.
And then, you know, they say that he wasn't a Christian.
It means he was a fake Christian.
And he walks around with these communists, and it had gotten so bad that Dick DeLoach finally told J. Edgar Hoover, he said, you can't talk to him.
And that's when J. Edgar Hoover then decided to make him an enemy of the state.
And this is when it gets interesting with his assassination.
When I read this in Taylor Branch's book, Parting the Waters of American King Years, and Taylor Branch is a Democrat.
He's Bill Clinton's roommate at Yale.
So it's not a conservative saying this.
It's a Democrat, Bill Clinton friend that said this about King.
He said that the FBI designated King an enemy of the state and it's only about five or six people that have ever had such designation in the United States of America history.
And they said that with this designation, even if they heard that somebody was coming to assassinate him, they wouldn't warn him.
And that was a courtesy they would give to mafia dons.
They would not give it to King.
So, They said he's the enemy of the United States of America.
This is interesting that he was so affiliated with these people.
They found out that money from Moscow was bankroll in the civil rights movement.
He was getting money from Moscow to put it in his pocket.
All of this.
He was deemed the enemy of the United States of America by the federal government.
And so I'm reading this.
And, you know, I'm reading this stuff about, you know, right now, FBI and the government hated Martin Luther King Jr., hated the Civil Rights Movement, da-da-da-da-da.
I read this story about this group called the Revolutionary Action Movement, RAM. Maxwell Stanford was running it.
Tupac, Shakur's people were involved in all of this.
And these guys were rough.
They had decided that they were going to assassinate...
Whitney Young for the Urban League and Roy Wilkins for the NAACP. They were going to take out the black leadership because they thought they were Uncle Toms.
And Hoover had infiltrated Ram and knew what they were doing.
If J. Edgar Hoover had hated the Civil Rights Movement, he would have allowed Ram to go ahead and do what they were going to do and then would have arrested them and said, look at this, black people killing black people.
Ain't this a shame?
Instead, what does he do?
He warns the people in the civil rights movement, protects them, then he arrests the guys at RAM and destroys the whole organization.
They go into exile, some go to Cuba, they all run off, others he put in jail.
Does that sound like a man that hates the civil rights movement?
No.
Juan Williams did a book on Thurgood Marshall.
As you know, Thurgood Marshall was a federal judge.
tucker carlson
Of course.
vince everett ellison
For a long time, they became Supreme Court Justice, Solicitor General.
Thurgood Marshall said J. Edgar Hoover never lied to him.
He had to sign the warrants as a federal judge.
He said Hoover didn't have to lie.
He said Hoover always had the goods.
Never lied to him.
So why this assassination on the character of J. Edgar Hoover?
Because he took out communists.
He took out Marxists.
He took out these malcontents to hate America.
You know, the same group in 1968 to try to take over the Democratic Party in Chicago, right?
tucker carlson
Right.
vince everett ellison
And Mayor Daley in the hardhats ran them out.
And they were out there screaming, the whole world is watching, the whole world is watching.
What does Saul Alinsky tell them?
You got three choices.
Either find a wailing wall and cry, start making bombs and exploding everything, then they're going to turn to the GOP, or go organize.
And if four months come back, four years come back, and you be the delegates.
They came back to Miami in 1972. They were so well-versed in the rules of the Democratic Party that when Daley showed up with his Illinois-Chicago attention, they ran him out.
And Jesse Jackson and this guy by the name of Singer took their place.
They took over the Democratic Party in 1972 and they bought in LGBTQ and abortion and that stuff for the first time.
And that's when Richard Nixon slaughtered them, remember?
Nixon didn't eat Watergate.
The Democrats imploded in 1972. And they did it from the Civil Rights Movement.
All of those people from the Civil Rights Movement.
That was their plan.
To come in and take the Democratic Party.
They tried it in 68. Daily beat them down.
They then used the rules.
72, they got it.
They haven't let it go since.
And they finally, finally got what they wanted in 2008 with Barack Obama.
tucker carlson
Who was Obama in retrospect?
vince everett ellison
I think Obama was a part of a worldwide liberal movement.
Eastern, from Western Europe to here.
All of them, all of this cabal of weirdos over there in Europe that were pushing things at that time from Merkel to the guy over in France.
Obama was involved in all of it.
And all this LGBTQ stuff and all this climate change crap started happening then.
And it's all designed for a one-world government to try to get, I don't know, the World Health Organization or the UN or somebody to start getting some type of criminal court that can start arresting us for not doing what they want us to do.
tucker carlson
So, I mean, it's funny.
Distance between what you thought something was and then what you later learn out it actually was.
And on the LGBTQ +, or whatever we're calling it now, I mean, I was raised in a pretty liberal area where we were told that was a certain percent of the population, I think it was 10%, they said, was gay by birth.
And leave them alone.
Don't bother them.
Don't be mean to them.
Exactly.
That always made sense to me.
I have zero interest in bothering people in general, particularly over their sex lives.
But now I'm starting to think in my age that that actually wasn't what it was about.
vince everett ellison
No, no, no.
They understand what they're doing.
You know what communism is.
Number one is atheism.
Why?
Because they do not compete for power.
tucker carlson
Number one, it's atheism.
I agree with that.
vince everett ellison
Number one, they don't compete for power.
In America, we say there's a higher law than the Constitution.
It's God.
There are certain rights that we have that you cannot touch, government.
That's our whole concept of government.
Unalienable rights.
We have a Bill of Rights that say, you can't touch these, government.
The communists say, no.
No such ideology exists.
The government controls all.
So God has to be destroyed.
We know that much of LGBTQ is in direct conflict with our Bible.
Direct conflict.
Absolutely.
So, it's like the Daniel test.
They had Daniel.
You know the story.
Daniel was the king's favorite and the guys in Babylon started getting jealous of Daniel and they said, we're going to set him up.
So, they said, hey king, why don't you make a decree that says that no one can pray to you for 30 days.
The king said, yeah, it makes good sense.
But they knew that Daniel prayed four or five times a day to his God.
And they say, so if the king makes this decree, if Daniel obeys the decree, his God leaves him.
If he disobeys the king, the king will kill him.
Either way, Daniel's in the trick bag.
So, of course, the king makes the decree.
They're spying on Daniel, sees him praying to his God.
You know the rest of the story.
They put him into the lion's den.
God saves him.
King kills those guys.
It's the same thing in America now.
We're going to pass laws to you Christians.
You're going to bow to us.
If you do what your God says, we're going to punish you.
But if you do what we say, your God is going to leave you.
Either way, we're in the trick bag.
Either way, they have us.
tucker carlson
This is not what we were promised.
We were promised a society where everyone kind of does his own thing and everyone gets along.
vince everett ellison
Exactly.
tucker carlson
Treat other people with respect.
vince everett ellison
Exactly.
tucker carlson
Some measure of dignity.
You don't have to agree with them.
They don't have to follow your religion, but you also don't have to follow their religion.
vince everett ellison
You don't.
tucker carlson
But now I feel like we're being told we have to follow their religion.
vince everett ellison
There it is.
It's always about who has the gun.
See, the Civil Rights Movement should have been, if Martin Luther King Jr. had been a real preacher, he would have known that you don't change people's Opinions with a gun?
You change their hearts.
You're a godfather aficionado, right?
tucker carlson
Yeah.
vince everett ellison
Okay, you know when First Godfather comes on, that's Michael Clay on sitting down talking with his girlfriend Kay.
And she sees Luca Brasi talking to himself.
And she says, Michael, who was that scary man?
And Michael said, that's a very scary man, that's Luca Brasi.
Tell you a story about Luca.
He says, my father has a godson by the name of Johnny Fontaine.
Johnny Fontaine's famous now.
He said that Johnny was on a contract with his band leader.
And Johnny wanted to do this movie.
The band leader wouldn't let him out.
He asked my father if he could handle it.
My father said yes.
Father goes to the band leader, offers him $10,000 to let Johnny go.
The band leader says no.
My father says, I'll be back.
And this time, he brings back Luca Rossi.
And he gets Johnny out of the contract with a certified check of $1,000.
Okay, he says, Michael, how did he do that?
He said, well, Luca Brasi put a gun to the band leader's head and promised him that either his brains or his signature would be on the contract.
Michael, that's a true story.
Okay, question.
Was Vito Corleone a violent man for using Luca Brasi?
Of course he was.
Martin Luther King Jr. wants to eat a hamburger down south.
Racist white man says no.
Martin says I'll be back.
This time he brings the federal government.
Federal government put a gun to the guy's head.
It says either Martin Luther King or your brains are going to be on their lunch counter eating that hamburger.
God lets him eat.
Was Martin Luther King Jr. a violent man?
Of course he was.
He used violence from a third party.
unidentified
Yes.
vince everett ellison
Civil rights movement wasn't a non-violent movement.
A non-violent movement would have been changing your neighbor's heart by your actions.
What does that mean?
If he's mean to me, I'm good to him.
If you won't let me eat a hamburger at your stand, I'll build another restaurant that's better than yours.
You can eat at mine for free.
If you won't let me go to your school, I'll build a better school than yours and you can send your child to mine for free.
You treat me bad, I treat you right, but you're going to treat me like a man.
You're going to treat me with respect.
I demand that.
And this is how you get your respect.
Instead, what do they do?
They use the gun.
In the book of Corinthians it says 11 people will not enter the kingdom of heaven.
The last one is the extortionist.
What's the extortionist?
An extortionist is the one that used violence, threats, coercion to get what they want.
And that's what the civil rights movement did.
It didn't change the hearts of Americans.
It extorted them.
It told them either give us what we want or we're going to blow your brains out or we're going to put you in jail.
That is not the Christian way.
And it failed because they used the tool of the devil to get what they wanted.
And it continues to fail.
We all are at the bottom of every socioeconomic statistic in America because we will not do what we've always supposed to have done and that was live in this meritocracy.
How did we break into the NFL? We showed we were better.
How did we break into the NBA? We showed we were better.
We went out there and we competed.
Mono a mono.
I'm going to beat you straight up.
Tucker, if you make a glass that's better than this one that will last for a thousand years, people are not going to care what your color is.
They're going to buy it.
tucker carlson
What's the tool of the devil that he used?
vince everett ellison
Extortion.
Extortion.
Coercion.
You're going to give me what?
I'm going to pass a law that says if you don't give me what I want, the federal government is going to put you in jail or kill you.
Now give me what I want.
That is not the Christian way.
We're not even supposed to sue each other.
That's right.
tucker carlson
On the way to court.
vince everett ellison
That's right.
tucker carlson
We're supposed to settle your differences.
vince everett ellison
We're supposed to reason with one another.
I'm going to take you to court.
No!
I'll let it go before I take you to court.
tucker carlson
I feel the same way.
vince everett ellison
I'll let it go.
I'll measure you before we do it, and once I trust you, if you break their trust, that's my tax.
I trusted them.
Shouldn't have.
That's on me.
Fool me once, what?
Shame on you.
Fool me twice, shame on me.
You take it.
No.
They didn't want to do the hard work.
And that's why I tell the LGBTQ community also.
Do the hard work.
Don't go to the law.
Change the minds of your neighbor.
All of these things that they are saying about you that you say are not true, prove that it's not true.
Don't go and have somebody put a gun to your neighbor and say, that's a Tim Cook.
It's openly gay.
I buy his product.
Why?
Because it's the best product out there.
iPhone, I buy it.
Prove your loyalty.
Prove that if you want to be this man's friend, be his friend.
Show yourself friendly.
But you can't go out there using the law to get it done.
We have made this mistake over and over again.
Right now, they're marching down in Florida.
They want DeSantis to put some type of black history back into public education when DeSantis has passed a school choice bill.
If you don't like how the public educational system is educating your children, take it to a private school!
No, no, no.
We're going to make you do it.
Coercion.
This is all they know.
And they put the black preacher up ahead of it all the time.
And if any black person, like when Byron Donald just said that the black family was more intact during Jim Crow.
Oh, they came up.
Byron Donald said black people were doing better during Jim Crow.
He didn't say that.
He said despite of Jim Crow.
Jim Crow couldn't destroy us.
But the Iron Triangle, the black preacher, the black politician, the black civil rights work, they will.
They have.
Slavery didn't kill us.
Jim Crow didn't kill us.
But the Democratic Party, they're taking us out.
They are destroying the black community right now.
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So you grew up, you're a couple years older than I am.
You grew up in far western Tennessee, near Mississippi and Arkansas.
I think in one of the two majority black counties in Tennessee.
And you entered school right around the time DSEG started a role.
So you've actually lived this and seen it.
Tell us about the change that you've seen.
vince everett ellison
I've seen black people lose their virtue.
Even though they were poor, they were a virtuous society.
Nobody went to jail.
Nobody.
tucker carlson
In your world that you lived in?
vince everett ellison
Yeah, nobody.
Family stayed intact.
People stayed married.
Nobody got divorced.
It didn't happen.
If a child was born and the parents went married, the grandparents took care of that child.
It wasn't a single parent environment.
He was staying with his grandparents.
He had a mother and a father.
He was taken care of, or she was taken care of.
The people had a sort of majesty about them.
They went to church.
They were honest.
Never saw a police officer, hardly.
A sheriff's department.
People just got along.
And now it's changed.
The hip-hop culture got involved in it.
At the beginning of the hip-hop culture, you know, they tried to...
Warn people about it.
I remember when, I think it was Temple Gore and some other lady tried to warn people about it.
tucker carlson
In the 80s, yeah.
vince everett ellison
The NAACP, C. Lawrence Tucker got involved, warning people about it.
And then all of a sudden, from what Suge Knight says, Suge Knight said, they started paying them and they all shut up.
They started giving them money.
And now the NAACP gives awards to them.
Now, all of the urban leagues, they give these guys awards.
And the hip-hop culture is a culture of sex, violence, and materialism.
No virtue whatsoever.
How many judges you shot?
How many women you slept with?
How much money you got?
Violence?
Sexual gratification?
Virtualists!
And Thomas Wolfe said, the great writer Thomas Wolfe said that, Culture is the arts elevated to a set of beliefs.
So you have the arts, you have the culture, then you have the politics.
In your arts, you have religion, you have music, you have books, you have television, radio.
Those are the arts.
And we allowed a satanic movement to take over the arts of the black community and that is spread into the white community.
And that was the hip-hop culture.
And you and I are listening to The Temptations and listening to all this great music going on, right?
Stacks.
These people are listening.
I want a killer N-word.
I want an epic N-word.
I mean, this little rapper in Memphis by the name of Glorella, not Glorella.
Glorella.
tucker carlson
Yes.
vince everett ellison
Just was invited to the White House.
Her hit record at the time was I-F-N-Words for free.
Gets a White House invitation.
Barack Obama had all of them at the White House at one time.
He had a little hip-hop festival in the Oval Office.
He had Rick Ross and Dr. Dre, Snoop, all of them.
All I'm talking about is killing.
So you still have a young society that wants to understand what right is, right?
In our time, you had astronauts and Nobel laureates brought to the White House, right?
And you say, that's what I want to aspire to be.
Those people you brought to the White House were people you aspired to be.
The heavyweight champion of the world, right?
The Super Bowl champs, right?
Those were the people you aspired to be.
And now they bring these people and say, you should aspire to be that.
And then they're alarmed when they are that.
Well, you had Snoop at the White House.
Snoop talking about smoking blunts every day.
And he's on TV selling more merchandise than Morgan Freeman is right now.
Snoop selling cars and selling beer and he's selling sneakers.
He's a dope fiend!
Talk about killing folks.
Talk about robbing people.
But they made him a hero.
And people look at this and they say, well, why are these things happening?
That's why these things are happening because you hold these people up as heroes in our society.
Violent, evil, sadistic individuals.
And when your children act like them, you're alarmed?
Women walking around half naked talking about having sex with people.
Then when they do and they're shaking like, oh, what's going on?
And you just kind of look at them and say, yeah.
So you're wondering why middle class white Americans treat you this way.
I'm afraid of snakes because every time I looked on TV, a snake was killing somebody.
So I don't like them.
If you want to see me run out of here, let a snake come through that door right now.
Okay, I'm leaving.
All right?
You have a hip-hop culture that put all on television.
Black men shooting people.
Black men raping people.
Black men doing dope.
Black men kicking in doors and spraying the whole freaking room machine gun.
And then when they see the black man that looks like that come near them and they kind of get apprehensive.
You a racist?
No, I'm sane.
You look like the person on TV that does these things.
If I saw a white man walk to me with a swastika in the middle of his head, I don't look at him and think he's going to be a friend of mine.
And he walks up, hey man, why are you tripping?
Man, you got a swastika in the middle of your head.
Well, I'm tripping.
So you want to ask the question of these young people.
We all wear uniforms, don't we?
If you see a house on fire and there's a fireman over there with a fireman, you say, hey man, go.
He says, oh no, I'm just wearing this.
You get mad at him.
Police officer do get mugged.
unidentified
Hey man, you don't.
vince everett ellison
Oh no, I'm just wearing this uniform.
I'm not really a police officer.
Well, you see a young man looking like a thug.
And you treat him like a thug.
He said, well, actually, I graduated from Harvard.
unidentified
Well, man, why do you want him like a thug?
vince everett ellison
Well, I can dress the way I want you.
Yes, you can, and you're dressing like a thug.
And I'm treating you like one.
Why would an intelligent man want to be looked upon as a thug?
Why would an intelligent woman want to be looked upon as a whole?
Why are you dressing like one?
unidentified
And these children look confused.
vince everett ellison
You know why?
Because no one is telling them what right is any longer.
In the military, it was this thing that you knew what right was.
Shoes shine.
Creases and down, down, down, down, down, down the scenes.
Standing straight.
It was written down.
This is what right is.
When I grew up, when you grew up, your father, make your bed up in the morning time.
Always tell the truth.
You will have children going up now where the parents are teaching them to steal.
Teaching them to lie.
Teaching them how to get over.
I learned that when I worked in prison for five years, these guys were antisocial.
They had been taught of completely different values than I had.
And it was almost like what Miles was talking about when he talked about re-education camps, right?
He said, man, it's got to be a cultural reformation, but that's what they've done to America now.
People will actually sit down and argue with you about whether or not Gay sex is right between two men.
And I grew up with saying no fornication is right outside of marriage.
And if you screw up, what do you do?
You repent and God will forgive you.
But instead of trying to tell me that the Christian faith allows for fornication outside of marriage or gay sex, you're a liar.
And why would you tell a child that?
Why would you take away the ability for him to repent?
See, that's what pride is, isn't it?
What did C.S. Lewis say the most damnable sin was?
Pride.
There's a few things in the Bible that God hates, and one is pride.
God hates pride.
It's one of the seven deadly sins.
What do they call their movement?
Pride.
Pride.
I'm going to make you do what I want you to do.
It's all about me.
My truth.
I want to be seen.
Well, you and I as men said, what the Bible tells us, don't worry about how man views you.
But they said, I demand to be seen.
I demand that you treat me the way that I want to be treated.
Pride.
Pride.
And what does pride say?
If you come up and tell them, you're doing something wrong.
I'm not.
And therefore, I'm not going to ask for repentance.
I'm not going to ask for reconciliation.
I'm not wrong.
Honey, even if you are wrong, he'll forgive you.
There's no injury in asking for forgiveness.
I'm not going to do it!
That's terrible.
Because that's what our whole religion is built upon.
Us being very flawed.
Jesus knowing that we're flawed.
But recognizing the flaw and reconciling.
It's just that simple.
And pride tells them, don't you dare.
Don't you dare say that you're wrong.
Don't you dare say you need any type of reconciliation or repentance or forgiveness.
Don't you dare.
And these children are buying into it.
And it's a stronghold.
tucker carlson
What's the effect of a boy growing up in a female-led household and then, you know, multiply that by millions and you have, you know, over 70% of boys growing up in the Black community, but now also among whites?
In a female-led household, that's a huge change.
And what does it produce?
vince everett ellison
The discipline and the protection of the father is necessary.
Sometimes women will just want the father to be a breadwinner.
No!
That's third or fourth down the line.
He's to love his family before he even provides for them.
He loves them and protects them first.
Provides discipline, spiritual counseling.
Providing sustenance is down the line because without those first four, whatever he provides is no good.
So they've taken away his protection.
In many ways, some women do it well, but very few.
Women have a difficulty being as stern with their sons as men do because it's just something about two males being in a house, especially when they start growing up, and the father knowing what's out there waiting for his son.
That other men will kill him.
That other men will take full advantage of him in a way that a woman does not understand.
tucker carlson
That's true.
vince everett ellison
A father knows this.
There are things that happen to you and I talk, we have never ever talked to our wives about.
tucker carlson
That's for sure.
vince everett ellison
You know, our daughters about.
But you'll pull your son over and say, listen, you need to watch this.
They can give you nuances.
They can tell you how to walk.
They can tell you how to talk.
Put some bass in your voice.
Put a grip behind that handshake.
Look him.
In the eye.
Fathers teach their sons that.
I'm going to take you to get your first job.
You show up early.
You leave late.
You don't steal.
You don't lie.
Do you understand me?
Do you have to deal with me?
He teaches them in the morning to make your bed, do your chores.
If not, there's going to be hell to pay.
It's rote.
It's binary all the time.
As he gets older, the gray areas can come in and he protects him.
So a lot of black women now like to have a lot of gay men around their children.
Father wouldn't have it.
And then what happens, a lot of these young men are being molested at an early age and their first sexual experience becomes their lifestyle.
And now there is a category of HIV from 12 to 17 years old.
Who's giving these children AIDS? Who's giving them HIV? So, this whole protection thing, this instinct that men have when it comes down to their boys.
My father would tell my mother, Look, you stay out of this.
There's things going to happen between me and Vince that you don't need to see.
Because he knew my mother couldn't handle it.
He would tell you, I don't care how hot it is, that y'all need to be mowed today and I'll be back at 5 o'clock.
It needs to be done.
If it wasn't done, it was going to be hell to pay.
And it wasn't emotional.
It was rote.
We had an agreement.
You didn't do it.
This is where the discipline in my family, me and my brothers, come from.
It came from Dad.
And now Dad is the most affable.
Old gentleman you can meet.
But he understood that at that time he was raising boys to be men.
And that he had to teach us in our faith.
On Sunday you went to church.
You did your chores.
You respected your parents.
You respected adults.
You respected authority.
And he would always tell us the name you got is my name.
It's not yours.
It's mine.
And it reflects on me.
So don't go out there and mess up my name.
And he was serious about that.
And we took it to heart.
See, when you don't have a man in the house to tell a son that and look him in his eye and let him understand, you know, because sometimes a boy can be 15, 16 years old.
He's as big as I am.
How's a 120, 30-pound mother going to handle him?
They can't.
tucker carlson
How did the boys in your family do?
vince everett ellison
Everybody did well.
tucker carlson
Really?
vince everett ellison
Everybody.
I had a brother that died young.
He died at 39 years old.
So everyone else, It's done fantastically well.
Our family story is an American story because we believe in this country.
We don't walk around talking about racism and white folks and the government.
Whenever there's a problem, we look at ourselves and say, what did we do wrong?
It's empowering to be able to say, I can look in the mirror and I can change my circumstances.
tucker carlson
That's right.
vince everett ellison
I screwed up.
I can make it better.
And I will.
tucker carlson
Blame yourself first.
I agree with that.
vince everett ellison
Always.
And we hold each other up to that standard.
That is not what the black community is being taught now by a black preacher, black politician, black civil rights worker.
Everything is the government.
Everything is a white man.
Everything is white supremacy.
As I've said before, you talk about equality.
Well, who do you want me to be equal to?
Whom?
Point him out to me.
Show me the white man that you want Vince Ellison to stand up.
I want to be equal to you.
unidentified
It's ridiculous!
vince everett ellison
You're talking about white supremacy.
White supremacy.
White privilege.
That's the way it is a privilege to be white.
But it's also a privilege to be black.
It's a privilege to be an American.
It's a privilege to be a Christian in America.
It's a privilege to be alive today.
You know, talking about white supremacy.
Well, look.
I'm an heir of Jesus Christ and I'm a child of God.
There's nobody superior to me.
Nobody.
If he is, point the superior man out to me.
I like to see him.
We'll put it to the test.
Superior to me.
unidentified
You know what?
vince everett ellison
We all have gifts.
We're not like a herd of wildebeest that run in a flock of crows.
No.
God has, we're all ornery for a reason.
We all have free will.
And he has given us all certain sparks to make us want to do certain things.
And when a man finds that spark and finds his gift, isn't the world a beautiful place?
I mean, your air conditioner goes out, right?
You call it HVAC guy.
He's a great HVAC guy.
You love him.
Your transmission goes out in your car.
Your transmission guy fixes your car.
You have a pain in your chest.
You go to a heart doctor.
He fixes your heart.
You're hungry.
You'll get a good meal, right?
You have a good landscaper.
We all depend on each other.
And when we find these gifts, the world is a beautiful place.
And we are supposed to help each other find these gifts.
We're supposed to elevate one another because we depend on one another.
We all do.
And God has given all of us gifts to live in this society and make it a whole.
And instead of fighting and arguing and saying, I want your gift.
I want what you got.
And if you don't give it to me, I have a right to come and take it from you.
That's wrong.
And that's the type of envy.
And hatred that they put in this society.
This is why our 10th commandment said, thou shalt not covet anything of your neighbor.
Not your gift, not your possessions, not your wife, nothing.
I am supposed to admire you.
The flip side of envy is admiration.
I came to this beautiful facility of yours.
I came to somebody's place.
It's beautiful.
It's beautiful.
God, admire it.
And you have envy.
You need to pay your fair share.
And then you feed this to children and tell them that if somebody else has something that you want, you have a right to go to government and tell the government, I want that.
Then government comes and puts a gun in their hands and says, you're going to give that up.
And we've created a sick society that believes that.
And it all came out of the civil rights movement.
tucker carlson
What'd your dad do?
vince everett ellison
Dad right now is a retired boy, but from the time Dad was about maybe 23 years old, he did insurance.
And then from that time, and then around about, Dad, he was about maybe 35, he started a gospel music program in Brownsville and did that until three or four years ago.
Dad is one of the most well-respected people in that area.
Because of his influence on radio, Charities, raise money for people, programs.
And he started out basically orphaned by his parents, raised as son of sharecroppers.
And then he started doing that.
And he aspired.
And he got a job in the insurance industry.
He bought us out of poverty.
And he had a heart attack when he was 55 years old.
That killed, this is not hyperbole, Tucker, killed everybody in the world that ever had it.
He's a medical anomaly.
People from all over the world came to study him to see how he was still alive, much less the fact that he was walking around every day and working without needing oxygen.
It's still unexplainable to doctors how he's done it.
How old is he?
He'll be 82 on his birthday, June 12th.
When the doctor, we were at Vanderbilt Hospital, and he didn't want my sisters and my mother to hear that, so he called me and my brother in.
And he said, I want y'all to hear what the doctor is telling me here so y'all know what's really going on.
And the doctor said, if your father doesn't have a heart transplant, he'll be dead in six months.
And we were like, we were shocked because we didn't know it was this bad.
And dad said, I want y'all to also hear what I'm going to tell this doctor.
He said, I know you're the best heart surgeon in the state.
I appreciate what you told me, but I'm going to tell you this.
I'm not going anywhere.
God's going to heal me.
And the doctor said, Mr. Ellison, I appreciate your faith.
You're going to be dead in six months if you don't get a heart.
That was, oh, 27 years ago.
I asked dad, I said, how did you know that you were going to be healed, that you were going to be taken care of?
His two grandparents were elderly.
Well, his two parents that really were very elderly, and he took care of them until the day they died.
Took care of him.
He said, my Bible says, if you honor your father and your mother, that God promises you three score and ten years.
That's seven years.
He said, I was only 55 years old.
God still owed me 15 years.
That's what he told me.
And he's still thriving.
That's how much he believes in his faith.
And I learned all of that from him.
This absoluteness.
That it is a journey.
And he says, I've seen the ending of the book.
I've already, I came from the front and I've gotten to the back of it and I read the last page and guess what?
I win.
tucker carlson
So at one point you were telling me at breakfast that your family was a touring gospel group?
vince everett ellison
Yeah, yeah, man.
It was fun.
It wasn't fun for us, I ain't gonna lie.
Daddy, dad always loved music.
He just always loved it.
And he used to sing quartets when he was younger.
And guys wouldn't do right, you know, bringing women.
Wouldn't show up drinking.
So he decided that he still loved to sing, but he wanted to do it in a more of a controlled situation.
So he taught us.
One day he came in with a truckload of instruments and told us we were going to learn to play them.
Vince, here's the bass.
Bobo, here's the drums.
And I'm going to teach y'all to play.
And we said, okay.
And he taught us to be part harmony.
Taught us some songs and we started going throughout the South and we got better and better.
tucker carlson
You played bass?
vince everett ellison
I played bass and I played lead guitar and I ended up playing keyboards by the end of it.
Every time somebody else got old enough to join the group, I had to teach them my instrument and then go learn another one.
And so I taught my brother the bass and then I went to the lead guitar.
And then I had another brother come in and then I went to the keyboards.
And we did that until I was about 24 years old.
We have three albums out.
We had a slew of 45s.
I always am very, very happy when I go back to West Tennessee and people tell me that they still have our albums in their homes and the pictures of us in their homes.
And look, Tucker, we were so, this thing was so ingrained in our DNA. We hadn't played together really in 25 years, okay?
So dad was having an anniversary and everybody thought it would be fun for us to To play a couple songs.
And I'm like, this is going to be a train wreck.
So, we all showed up at the church to practice.
We hadn't played in 25 years.
This is literally the truth.
So, we all plugged in the instruments, me and my brothers and sisters, and we said, okay, first of all, we're going to set a rule here.
If this doesn't sound well, anybody can veto this and say, we don't do this.
Alright?
Everybody said, alright.
unidentified
Cool.
vince everett ellison
Anybody can say, we're not doing it, and it's done.
unidentified
Right, cool.
vince everett ellison
We plugged in, and we did a song, and we hit it, boom, and everything was like we did it yesterday.
unidentified
Really?
And we all just died laughing.
vince everett ellison
We just fell out laughing because we thought it'd be some rust.
We thought that it would be, we'd forget, no.
It was like we were 18 years old playing it again, and we were like, oh my God.
This is ingrained in us.
So, we got such a big kick out of it.
Once or twice a year.
Now, we'll just show up at the house.
Dad called us two weeks ago.
He said, hey, I want to have a jam session.
I live in Virginia.
He lives in Brownsville.
It's about maybe 10 hours away.
And when Dad doesn't call to ask for much, when he calls, we all come.
And we all show up at the house and we sit around for about...
Five hours playing the guitars and singing and just had a great time.
And that's what we do.
Whatever he calls, we show up, we plug up, we play, and it's just like we never, ever left.
tucker carlson
Amazing.
And you're playing gospel?
vince everett ellison
Gospel music, yeah.
Dad didn't allow blues music playing in the house.
tucker carlson
Why?
Even though you're in the Delta.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
vince everett ellison
It was new then.
It was when the transition was being made from all music during that time with gospel music before Stax and Motown.
It was all church.
And then sax and Motown started taking the music and turning it into R&B and blues.
And people during that time were saying that if you left gospel and went to R&B and blues, you went from the church to the devil.
That was it.
You went to the devil.
People offered my father tons of money for us to start singing R&B and blues.
Tons.
He would never take it.
unidentified
Really?
vince everett ellison
Never.
Never.
tucker carlson
So you were touring to church.
You were performing in churches.
vince everett ellison
Churches, period.
He wouldn't let us go secular at all.
And they saw it as that.
You remember Al Green, the great soul of Al Green?
When all the bad stuff started happening, Al Green, he turned back to the church because he said, I shouldn't.
This is my punishment.
And as life went on and you started seeing what started happening to a lot of those gospel music.
tucker carlson
Oh, yeah.
vince everett ellison
It went R&B. It kind of, you know.
tucker carlson
Their lives blew up.
vince everett ellison
Yeah, yeah.
So, again, Dad saved us from that, though.
tucker carlson
So, on that circuit, pardon my ignorance, I'm from La Jolla, but you just drive to another town, another church, you just roll in?
vince everett ellison
Yeah, Dad would have the program set up.
We didn't know where we were going, usually.
I'd ask him on the day of.
And we would get up and we'd go to church on Sunday morning.
We'd load up our instruments.
Then we'd go to church.
Then we would leave the church.
And we would drive probably an hour, maybe two hours, no more than three, but he would have two programs kind of set up in the same area.
So we would show up at the church.
We would get out of church about 11 o'clock.
We'd show up at the other church about 1 or 2 o'clock.
We'd set up.
We'd sing.
We'd get out about maybe 5 o'clock.
We'd go eat dinner somewhere.
We had to be at the next church at 7. And then we go sing there.
We get out there about 10 o'clock.
We get home about maybe 1 in the morning.
We unload the instruments and we go to bed and we go to school.
And that was it.
And that's what we did.
tucker carlson
That sounds grueling.
vince everett ellison
It was grueling.
And we would do it sometimes on Saturdays also.
But it kept us out of trouble.
It gave us a type of respect in the community.
The people looked out for us because they always saw us doing that.
And they respected us as young men doing that.
And they held us in high esteem for doing it.
And many of the blessings that me and my family are enjoying now, people are saying, is attributed to us putting forth those efforts as children.
Going and singing gospel music all around Tennessee, and I believe that.
tucker carlson
Do you still listen to gospel?
vince everett ellison
Oh, man.
Love it.
Love it.
Oh, love it.
Don't stop listening to it.
tucker carlson
So for people who didn't grow up listening to gospel music but think it's pretty great, how would you start?
Who would you recommend listening?
If you got Spotify.
vince everett ellison
Tasha Cobb Leonard.
She's just awesome.
If you ever listen to Tasha Cobb, she touches your soul.
She's young and she's vibrant.
She does great music.
Great music.
tucker carlson
Tasha Cobb Leonard.
vince everett ellison
She's very good.
It's gotten more secularized now.
You hear like Kirk Franklin and all them jumping around and you can't really tell the soul music, I mean the gospel music from the R&B music in some ways now.
It has to get back to the roots.
This is not show business.
This is communion.
This is worship.
You're not coming there to be entertained.
You're coming there to commune.
To be involved, to worship, to praise God in song.
And many times people now will look at a concert, a hip-hop concert, and think that they are there to be fed in that way.
And so you'll find gospel groups now with lights and smoke and explosions and costumes.
And this is entertainment, you know?
God doesn't need all that.
Jesus did the Sermon on the Mount, right?
He didn't even have a mic.
He just walked up there and rocked it.
And we still remember the sermon because it touched people.
It touched people.
And that's what gospel music is supposed to do.
It's supposed to touch the soul.
Spirit touches spirit.
And when you go to a real gospel concert and it's communion and it's the people coming together to communion and worship, it's a life-changing experience.
tucker carlson
Did you ever play for white audiences?
vince everett ellison
We would do it very, very sporadically.
We would do it in Brownsville.
We had this white gospel group called The Layman, and we would do a concert together with them in the gym in Haywood County.
And black and white people would come to the concert, and we would sing together, and we would commune together in that way.
But it's very rare that we sang in front of white audiences.
Very rare.
unidentified
Huh.
tucker carlson
Is there a difference?
vince everett ellison
No.
Not really.
When you start doing Southern gospel, you know, that's why Elvis...
Was so hypnotic to people.
Elvis and Jerry Lee Lewis and Johnny Cash, they all tell you, they go to black churches, listen to black music, they play with black people.
If you ever go to Memphis and go to Sun Studios or go to Stacks, you'll be amazed at the immersion of black and white people in those studios working together all the time.
B.B. King and Elvis worked very close together.
Knew each other.
Black and white musicians loved and played together.
Elvis stayed on Beale Street.
They knew him on Beale Street.
So, the music brought people together.
It always did.
Elvis would hear about a black concert, gospel singing, in Memphis.
And he'd just show up.
And people said, they'd look around and Elvis was in the church and now listen to a gospel group singing.
He knew them all.
But it brought them all...
Together.
The music always brought people together.
They always enjoyed it.
And there's just this lie going on around the nation that made believe that we were all down there fighting and getting hung and lynched in a race riot.
I never saw anything like that growing up.
tucker carlson
So, I mean, it's interesting.
So you were growing up at the end of segregation.
I mean, literally.
What were the race relations like?
vince everett ellison
They were fine as well.
I mean, I just didn't...
See it or feel it, Tucker.
It just wasn't there.
I was never mistreated by white people when I was growing up.
I asked my father this question the last time I saw him.
I said, Dad, how do white people treat you growing up here?
He said, I've never been mistreated by white people.
My father actually told me that out of his mouth, I've never been mistreated by white people here, ever.
See, Martin Luther King told us he was dreaming about a day that you will not be judged by the color of your skin and by the content of your character.
You will be judged by the content of your character.
It is inescapable.
But he gave black people a fallback position.
People are being judged by the content of their character and they can say, no, it's the color of my skin.
You can't correct skin color.
You can't correct character.
So many people that didn't have what they wanted weren't getting what they wanted.
It wasn't based upon their skin color.
It was based upon their character, but they were being told it was their skin color.
Martin Luther King, for instance, had never been to a public school in his life.
Went to Crow's Theological Seminary.
He went to Boston University.
Never was hungry.
His dad went to Morehouse College.
Have you seen his house in Atlanta?
He lived in a Victorian style, almost like a mansion.
He's not a poor guy.
Nobody bothered him.
He was a...
At 26, he was the head pastor of a large church in Montgomery, Alabama.
He was driving a Cadillac, living in an upper-cost black area in town.
His wife was a college graduate.
That was a black intelligentsia as a white intelligentsia that had money and lived well.
And then you had poor whites and you had poor blacks.
It's just how the world works.
Somehow or another, though, in the minds of black people in the South, They always said I can only feel whole if I am loved by white racists.
tucker carlson
That's a tough one.
vince everett ellison
I gotta make this Klan member love me.
I got to.
And it was a type of weird ignorance in that, that I can only feel good about myself if I'm sitting beside you on a bus or on a toilet or eating a hamburger beside you.
Right now, I'd only be concerned about one thing.
Is the bus taking me to the same spot?
Yeah.
Well, I don't give a damn who I'm sitting beside on it, okay?
I don't want you sitting beside me.
Well, I don't want you sitting beside me.
Well, I don't want you sitting beside me.
Now, what about that?
Muhammad Ali says it's a sick mind that wants me somewhere where he's not wanted.
They got a name for people out there.
They call them stalkers.
And there's no virtue in it.
None.
If you don't want me here, You think I'm going to fight to be beside you?
We don't serve inwards.
Well, I'm not one.
But since you called me that, you can't have my money and I don't want to eat here.
tucker carlson
Good for you.
vince everett ellison
Instead, oh no, no, I'm going to make you take my money.
unidentified
What?
vince everett ellison
Insanity.
Absolute insanity.
When Miss Mary got a store down the street that makes better food than they make.
No, no, no, I'm going to have a sit-in.
Because I want to ride the bus beside you.
A lot of people think that the Montgomery bus boycott ended the segregation on the buses.
It didn't.
It was NAACP. They had a Supreme Court decision that did it.
Martin Luther King's bus boycott just aggravated a lot of people.
Didn't do anything.
And then, people don't know this, two years later, the black people sitting at the back of the bus again because of white intimidation.
Yes, they went back to the back of the bus voluntarily in Montgomery, Alabama.
They don't talk about that little tidbit of history.
They don't tell people that Rosa Parks was an operative, trained at the Highlander Folk School, a communist training camp in Montegal, Tennessee.
King, Ralph Abernathy, all of them went there, led by these three communists, Dombroski and Miles Norton and all of them.
They keep their part of a history secret.
Yeah, there was a communist training camp in Montegal, Tennessee.
They tore it down in the 60s because they found there was a communist training camp.
And they're the ones that were training all these people how to use non-violence resistance to cause violence.
Cause violence.
They went down to Montgomery and Birmingham and said, we're going to jog at Bull Connor until people start getting water hoses and dogs sicked on them.
The concept is to cause violence.
To aggravate you until you strike out at me.
It's me coming up in your face and going, and then finally said, Vince, you better leave me alone now.
I'll never touch you, but I put my finger in your face and I mess you to a point where you just...
And then I said, Tucker's violent!
You know, and those were their tactics.
And they did, and nothing good came out of it because the black people are poor in Selma and Montgomery than they've ever been.
tucker carlson
I've noticed that.
No one seems to care.
vince everett ellison
They don't care because it was about getting the vote for the Democratic Party so they could take it over.
There were 5 million, 6 million latent black votes down south that they could use.
And they understood that Stockholm Syndrome was going to take over and they were going to vote for the Democratic Party.
As a matter of fact, if you read the history of that time, when the election of 1960 was going on, Martin Luther King Jr. and the rest of them put this thing called a blue bomb.
It was a blue piece of paper that they passed to all the churches in the South.
And it was talking about how when Martin Luther King Jr. was locked up in jail.
That JFK had given Martin Luther King Jr. a phone call and had talked to his wife, and Richard Nixon did not.
And that was enough to get 80% of the black people to vote for JFK down south during the election of 1960 and beat Nixon, who had supported the 1957 Civil Rights Act and the 1960 Civil Rights Act.
They gave them the right to vote anyway.
But it was the Blue Bomb that did it.
And it was them, again, Leveraging the black preacher, who if you want to talk to an ignorant joker, talk to most black preachers in the United States of America.
Man, these guys don't know anything about foreign policy, don't know anything about government.
All they know about how to get money in their hands for taking black people to the polls to vote for the Democratic Party.
And again, if you want...
tucker carlson
Is that still the case that the get out the vote operation in the South...
Oh, yeah.
vince everett ellison
You ever heard of Souls to the Polls?
tucker carlson
No.
vince everett ellison
Oh, yeah, man.
You should look it up.
Souls to the Polls is an organization that's funded by George Soros and his people, and they give every Sunday before the first Tuesday in November, these churches will use church buses to put their congregants into And these buses are taken to the polls and have them vote.
And this is unspoken, but for every black person that they can get in the bus, they get about $10, $15.
And in my documentary, where you go to hell for me, I have a picture of Raphael Warnock and John Lewis standing in front of a Souls to the polls bus.
It got Souls to the polls written on it.
So yeah, everybody can look up Souls to the polls and they'll see that it is something.
Matter of fact, before the election this year, Kamala Harris was out there talking about Souls to the polls.
They were out there rallying it.
Yeah, and it's all about the black church.
tucker carlson
But why, I mean, the program of the modern Democratic Party is about as aggressively anti-Christian as, well, it is the most aggressively anti-Christian platform of any movement in the history of the country.
vince everett ellison
Yes.
tucker carlson
So how could any preacher participate in that?
vince everett ellison
Two things.
They either know it and are corrupt or they're ignorant to it, which most of them are.
Yeah.
You'll be amazed how many people, I mean, when you and I did the show on George Floyd in October, how it went viral.
And that's when Biden's numbers start tanking because we just exposed so many lies in the interview.
I mean, it just went viral.
When I went to World Overcomers in Memphis, people were just talking about the interview.
They were showing it to me.
They had it on their phones.
They thanked me for educating them.
On my podcast, I educate.
I tell people this is what they stand for.
Most people in the Republican Party and the GOP is very bad at messaging.
unidentified
You think?
vince everett ellison
Them suckers can't sell a dollar for 50 centimeters.
They're horrible.
So, if you ask black people, how do you feel about LGBTQ? I hate it.
How do you feel about abortion?
Can't stand it.
How do you feel about guns?
I want my gun.
How do you feel about school choice?
I want school choice.
How do you feel about that border?
Oh, we need legal immigration.
They'll give you everything.
And then you say, well, what party do you think supports your point of view?
Democrats do.
Now, why would you think that?
Nobody's told them any different.
So when I show them that the Democratic Party is up for abortion for the ninth month, it startles them.
When I show them that Obamacare and the Democratic Party is for castrating little boys and calling them little girls, giving double mastectomies to little girls and calling them little boys, it startles them.
When I show them that the Democratic Party votes against school choice every single time and has used the public education to say, God is not welcome here.
He's not welcome here.
And that they won't allow us To let Christian education come to the public school, they're startled.
Now, they've caught on to the fact that Biden is letting all the illegals across the border.
They've caught on to that.
When we talk about gun control, they finally caught on to that, and that's why the numbers are tanking there, too.
unidentified
Really?
vince everett ellison
Yeah, yeah.
They see the Hispanics, the illegals, coming to their communities, and they're upset.
Their rents are going up.
They are opening up.
Their schools are getting crowded out.
What really made them angry is when they start seeing them giving these people debit cards for $3,500 on it, they say, man, hey!
And when they see they won't take them to jail, whereas their son gets a $50 speeding ticket and can't pay it.
Take him downtown.
tucker carlson
Exactly right.
vince everett ellison
If he can't pay his child support, they put him in jail for two years and they won't take Hispanic down.
tucker carlson
Yeah, our family's been here 400 years and we can't get a free cell phone.
vince everett ellison
Yeah, exactly.
When they saw that there are men that cannot get work, but Joe Bowden gives a 400,000 work visas out to Venezuelans.
And they say, hell, I need a job!
They saw that in real time up close and personal.
It was, what did they say, all politics are local?
They saw this locally.
But see, the GOP has been Not very good at explaining to people that the voucher program in D.C. is loved by the majority of the people that are there, black people who benefit from it, and Barack Obama and Democrats kill it every chance they get.
We don't put...
We will say the teachers' unions.
Well, the teachers' unions aren't on the ballot, are they?
The Democrats are.
You don't say teachers' unions.
You say the Democrats are stopping it.
When you start talking about LGBTQ, you don't say LGBTQ. If you do, you connect it to the Democrats and say they are the ones that support it.
They have to know who their enemy is.
And it has to be known absolutely.
When Jesus Christ went in front of the Jews, when he's at the temple, and they were all wondering why they're being treated so badly.
They were all angry at the Romans, right?
Christ said, don't worry about the Romans.
Your problem is them jokers right over there, the Pharisees and the Sadducees.
And they said, liars, hypocrites, generation of vipers.
And he just went off.
And that's when they said, he's got to die.
He said, oh, it's not the Romans.
They're not your problem.
Suckers right over there.
And see, we have failed to do this.
And this is why my book, The Iron Triangle, Book Authority gave it number 61 on the greatest political books ever written in the history of the world because it blew up.
All these myths.
It's told what the most black preachers and black politicians and black civil rights organizers were doing.
We've held them in high state.
Oh, the NAACP is great.
Oh, you know, Martin Luther King Jr. Civil Rights Movement was great.
Oh, the black caucus is great.
No, they're not.
They're the enemy.
And then people say, your problem is not the white conservative.
Your problem is right over there.
If you ever take a moment to sit down and talk to your white conservative neighbor, you'll see you're talking to some of the best people to walk the face of this earth.
But they won't talk to you because they've been told that you hate them.
And you won't talk to them because you've been told that they hate you.
And who tells you that?
Black preacher, black politician, black civil rights worker.
And these people aren't stalkers.
They're not going to come to you asking you to accept them.
They're the type that's going to say, if you don't like me, that's your problem.
You put your hands on me, you're going to have another one.
You're welcomed to come to my home.
You're welcome to talk to me.
If you need a good preacher, I'll find you one.
If you're hungry, I'll feed you.
If you need a job skill to help, you're getting one.
But short of that, if you come and try to hurt anything of me or mine, I got two things to keep you off me talking.
It's Jesus in my 38. And these people don't understand these people.
I live in the Blue Ridge Mountains of Virginia.
Best people in the world.
I'm a big guy.
You're a big guy.
We're small compared to these men.
It's 6'4", 6'6", 6'8".
tucker carlson
Yeah, they make them big.
vince everett ellison
Nicest guys in the world.
Man, if your car get in a ditch, there'll be five of them pulling it out.
If they go and they kill a deer, they'll cut some meat off and leave it on your front porch.
Hey, Vince, this is for you.
Just when it's harvest time, oh man, they're just piling up food.
Just good neighbors.
Great people.
But they're men.
And you are not going to walk up to them and tell them that they're responsible for your plight.
And they have done nothing to you.
They're not going to accept it.
I don't accept it.
tucker carlson
Of course not.
vince everett ellison
But if you say, I'm a man, you're a man.
I'm responsible for myself.
You're responsible for me.
I need your help.
They'll do anything to help you.
tucker carlson
Can I ask you two questions just about family dynamics?
So why is it that women are obviously much less violent than men on average, but men, boys who grew up in a female-headed household tend to be more violent.
What is that?
vince everett ellison
Men are violent.
Most of us have a violent major.
Our fathers teach us to temper it.
They teach us control.
From the time we come home from the hospital, Until the time we leave his house.
Control yourself.
My father had to teach me how to sleep alone.
My mother would let me sleep with her until I was 18 years old, right?
tucker carlson
Of course.
vince everett ellison
Dad says no.
He has to learn to sleep alone.
No.
He has to learn to sleep alone.
That's the father.
Oh, but my mom would pick him up.
Put him down.
Let him walk.
He's too big to carry.
Put him down.
He has to walk.
She puts him down.
You and I have seen mothers carrying boys three and four years old around in the store.
Fathers put him down.
They don't learn the law.
Fathers know these things.
He sits up under his mother.
He starts crying, runs to his mother.
Get away from your mother.
unidentified
Put him down.
vince everett ellison
Exactly.
Dads do that.
But if dad's not there, mother's going to automatically grab him and baby him and rock him.
So he never learns to temper himself.
Even now when it comes down to the whole LGBTQ thing, right?
Do what you want to do.
Your father says, no, no, no.
Control yourself.
You can't just jump every woman you want to see.
Why have a male attraction?
You better control that.
Why?
Because those are the rules, son.
Control yourself.
Do your duty.
But, you know, women will raise boys to get in their feelings.
Or let your feelings guide you.
No.
Well, what if I don't feel like going to work tomorrow?
What if I feel like slapping this woman?
What if I feel like cussing my balls out?
What if I feel like slacking on the job?
My feelings?
You and I was taught these feelings are set aside.
I'm going to give you a series of rules to follow.
Control yourself.
When have you heard a liberal or a Democrat ever say such a thing now?
Control yourself.
Oh, God, you want to walk out?
You know, a simple thing like when you go to work in the morning times a certain way, you're supposed to act.
No, no, I'm going to come in and act the way I want to act.
I'm going to be flaming.
I'm going to work the way I want to work.
I'm going to wear high heels and lipstick, da-da-da-da.
Like Joe Biden and all these freaks in his cabinet.
unidentified
What, April Levine?
vince everett ellison
Person that works for the Health and Human Services?
tucker carlson
Yeah, yeah, Rachel Levine.
vince everett ellison
Yo, Rachel!
I mean...
A man in a dress.
It's not like you don't know that's a man in a dress.
Sometimes you can see a man in a dress and not know it, right?
But you know that's a man in a dress and he want everybody to lie.
You got to walk around him and lie and act like he's not a man in a dress.
And if you call him sir, he's going to get an attitude and try to get you fired.
So I got to walk around this guy and lie and call him man.
If it's wrong, don't do it.
If it's a lie, don't say it.
It's simple.
Call me ma'am.
I'm not going to call you ma'am.
You are not a woman.
And if you come to me about that again, I'm going to show you you're not a woman because I'm going to knock you out.
Stay away from me.
They got this other Sam Britton guy walking around, bald head, red lipstick on, a mustache, with pumps and a skirt.
He comes to the job interview with that on.
And you're supposed to look at that boy and say, first, okay, this is a joke, right?
Somebody's pranking me, right?
No, this is real.
Hold it.
This guy needs help.
You don't make fun of him.
You don't beat him up.
You don't.
Stay right there.
And call somebody.
We need to pray.
This man needs help.
And we need to give him the help that he needs.
They're exploiting these people.
Pete Buttigieg gets married to a man.
That's cool.
All right.
But then he hires him in his cabinet.
unidentified
What is that?
vince everett ellison
Milfinger to the church?
Yeah, I'm going to put this man.
And then, all over the world, Xi Jinping and Putin is watching this.
Stone-cold killers looking for weakness.
Looking for the boys of D-Day to die.
So it says time to take America now.
Oh, you know about the Roman Empire with the barbarians at the gate?
And the men were too effeminate to defend their own city-state?
Trying to hire mercenaries to do it?
We're headed there.
And you got these guys.
Again, Vladimir Putin has made it plain.
He said, this Western satanic way of living stops here.
We're not having this LGBTQ stuff here in Russia.
We're not having these anti-Christian, anti-American values here in Russia.
I read a story inside the Washington Post that he's militarizing the people to defend his country against it.
He said, no, it stops.
The Russian Orthodox Church said, no, it stops.
You have Viktor Orban in Hungary who's concerned about it.
It's coming.
They said, no, it's not.
You have Xi Jinping who said it's not coming over here.
And the African nations are saying the same thing.
And right now, we have people in America that have an agenda, and it's a worldwide agenda.
That's one of the reasons why they were going into Ukraine.
I read this thing from, oh God, I forget where I got it, but it's in my new book.
But the guy said that one of, to get in the EU, One of the things they had to do was have a gay pride parade in Kyiv.
It's one of the things you're going to have to do.
And they had to get a great gay pride parade, and then they brought it to the Donbass region, and that's when stuff broke off.
Because Vladimir says, no, you're taking it too far now.
And that's when all the wheels started rolling, and they knew that the EU and NATO was coming in, because these are the things that they do.
And then they press their ideology further and further.
So now Biden has tied most of American foreign policy money to LGBTQ climate change and abortion.
If you don't allow these things, you don't get the money anymore.
And the African nations are saying, what?
People are starving.
Well, if you don't do this, they'll starve.
And so guess who comes and fills the gap?
Vladimir Putin.
tucker carlson
Exactly.
Or Xi Jinping.
vince everett ellison
And Xi Jinping.
tucker carlson
The abortion thing is particularly confusing to me.
In the United States among black voters because it's so obviously genocidal.
And if you look at the numbers on whose babies are being aborted and where the abortion clinics are, I mean, it's wildly disproportionate in the black community.
And it does seem like, first of all, it's not an accident, but second, it's such a clear sign.
Like, I can claim I love you, but if I'm putting an abortion clinic in your neighborhood and encouraging you not to have children, What am I saying?
I'm saying I want you extinct.
vince everett ellison
Do you know the first recipient of the Margaret Sanger Award?
tucker carlson
No.
vince everett ellison
Martin Luther King.
unidentified
1966. Wow.
tucker carlson
I didn't know that.
Margaret Sanger was not a friend to the community, as we say.
vince everett ellison
Planned Parenthood.
And the Negro Project.
She called those human weeds.
She said, more for the fit, less for the unfit.
She had a thing called the Negro Project where she wanted to exterminate the black community.
Because we were human weeds, as far as he was concerned.
And Martin Luther King Jr. helped us set up abortion clinics and got the Margaret Sanger Award in 1966. When I heard from people, oh, he didn't know what was going on.
They duped him.
I said, well, they have it on display.
tucker carlson
That's actually true?
vince everett ellison
Yes.
And I said, well, have they given the award back yet?
tucker carlson
The Human Weed Award?
vince everett ellison
Yeah.
No one knew they had it.
All right, then.
That means that they're proud of it because they still display it.
They still say, oh, we didn't know this.
Take this award back.
You know.
Yeah, Martin Luther King Jr. was the first recipient of the Margaret Sanger Award in 1966. Did you know that King was excommunicated from the black church?
tucker carlson
No.
vince everett ellison
Yeah, in 1961, he was going to take it over for the civil rights community.
They had this bishop out there, Bishop Jackson.
And Jackson said, no, the church was not supposed to be involved in politics.
If you want to be involved in politics, go join the NAACP. Yeah.
Go join the Urban League.
But the church is supposed to get you prepared to live forever in the presence of Jesus Christ.
We're in the ecclesiastical matters.
We're not going to be marching.
We're not going to be doing sent-ins.
Well, King and his crew wanted to take over the National Baptist Convention.
They had been given their orders from Stanley Levinson and the Comintern to do this.
So they had a plan.
Taylor Branch talks about this in his book, and also David Garrow talks about it.
But if you just go on to the Progressive Baptist National Convention website, they'll tell you about it too.
They went to the convention in Kansas City, the National Baptist Convention.
It was a 10 million member organization.
Almost all black people like they were Baptist.
And so the Baptist churches had this convention called the National Baptist Convention.
King and his boys were going to go there and they were going to force a vote on the floor.
And King had a guy that he was going to put up.
He wanted him to be president and King was going to be his puppet master.
They were going to force the vote, and they had a plan to go on the floor and push their way through.
And I don't know what this means, but somehow or another is supposed to work and take the floor.
They did it.
And a fistfight breaks out.
Preachers in there fight.
One of the preachers got killed during the melee.
This preacher happened to be Bishop Jackson's best friend.
Fractured his skull.
He died.
tucker carlson
Wow.
vince everett ellison
Yeah.
tucker carlson
At the convention?
vince everett ellison
Yeah.
They had to bring in a SWAT team, the riot police, and the mayor, it got so bad that the mayor of Kansas City even came in, told him to cut this mess out.
tucker carlson
Why have I never heard this story before?
vince everett ellison
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, King loses the vote.
The preacher dies, and Bishop Jackson holds King perfectly responsible for it.
He excommunicates King from the Baptist Church, kicks him out.
So, King gets smart, and He wants people to still believe he's affiliated with the Baptist Church.
So he starts his own religion, his own church, and it's called the Progressive National Baptist Convention.
That's the sect that Raphael Warnock belongs to, Senator Raphael Warnock from Georgia.
This is why Raphael is so progressive and so liberal when it comes to abortion and gay rights, because that's what these guys do.
They're an apostate group.
Of weirdos, malcontents, and perverts.
And they started an apostasy in the black church.
So when black people saw Baptist in King's organization, they thought he was still with the National Baptist Convention.
tucker carlson
Well, I fell for it too.
vince everett ellison
About two years ago, I was doing research on Raphael Warnock.
And I saw he was with the PNBC. So I looked it up.
And it said King started it.
And then I looked through the books in my library and I saw that Taylor Branch had written about it and had done a chapter on it.
And he went into it in depth.
And I said, how much else do I not know?
And then I found out about the Margaret Sanger Award.
tucker carlson
That's shocking to me.
vince everett ellison
Then you find out that he plagiarized his doctorate dissertation at Boston U. And the only reason why they didn't take it back is because they didn't want to be called racist.
And then you come to find out he's not a Christian.
And I'm sitting here in my late 50s saying, I'm a well-educated man.
My family is well-educated.
Doctors and lawyers, nobody, nobody knew it.
Nobody.
I mean, I have scholars in my family and I'm calling all of them.
Didn't know, didn't know.
And I've seen everybody say, oh my goodness.
This is one of the reasons I do what I do.
Because I know with information people change their minds.
Because it changed everybody I gave it to.
And they were sitting there saying, oh my God.
So I've done a podcast on it and people hear it and I'm thinking I'm going to get cussed out.
This you no good.
You always got it up to a man.
Thank you.
I didn't know.
Thank you.
It explains a lot.
Thank you.
Now I understand.
And this is why what you do is so important.
You have this huge megaphone that people listen to.
And when you do this and give a person like me an opportunity to come on and say these things.
Man, it's effective.
tucker carlson
Well, because I think...
I don't know the truth about almost anything, but I do know that what I have been told is likely untrue in almost every category.
And I think people have arrived at that conclusion.
You know what I mean?
vince everett ellison
Well, yeah, you see the results of it.
tucker carlson
They're more open-minded.
vince everett ellison
Yeah, they are.
tucker carlson
Well, so I would say this.
There's a lot about...
I thought I knew a lot about civil rights history because I learned about it every year in school.
But I knew the fruits.
Have not been what were promised at all.
It actually hasn't worked.
You're from around Memphis.
I was talking to one of your sisters this morning who lives in Memphis.
I lived near Memphis 30 years ago in Little Rock, Arkansas.
And people would drive from Little Rock to Memphis for the weekend.
I'm like, take your wife there for a fun weekend.
Stay at the Peabody Hotel.
vince everett ellison
I went to College University of Memphis.
I was there.
tucker carlson
It was a cool town.
And now, you know, it's the most dangerous city in the United States, or certainly one of them.
It's like in free fall.
So clearly, this isn't working.
vince everett ellison
They know it's not working.
They have the same stats in front of them that we have, Tucker, but a Democratic Party, heaven is an American hell.
I saw that great interview you did with President Buckele.
tucker carlson
Yeah, from El Salvador.
Buckele, yeah, good guy.
vince everett ellison
And he talked about...
Spiritual warfare.
unidentified
Yes.
vince everett ellison
He recognized it as that.
tucker carlson
Yes.
vince everett ellison
That MS-13 was satanic and they were doing rituals.
tucker carlson
Literally satanic.
vince everett ellison
Yeah, literally satanic.
And he said that when they hit them, they killed 84 people in three days.
And he said, what did we do?
He said, we prayed.
tucker carlson
That's right.
vince everett ellison
He said, and we prayed for wisdom.
And he said that we knew we were in a spiritual war.
And then he said, a miracle happened.
And they shut all of that down.
And people in America were mad at us because they knew that we could do it here.
They could do it there.
tucker carlson
Yes.
vince everett ellison
And they don't want it done here because if people live a certain, it's like people going to a plantation owner and say, hey man, why don't you teach your slaves how to read?
What?
Then they'll know they're slaves.
Herod Tubman said, I freed a thousand people, I freed a thousand more if they'd just known they were slaves.
I freed them.
But I was telling you about how in the black church they were telling we were under the curse of Ham.
That we were supposed to be where we are.
See?
tucker carlson
You've actually heard a preacher say that?
vince everett ellison
Oh, yes.
Yes.
Many.
Yes.
They do the same thing now.
Tucker, they walk around telling black people, you know, your country hates you.
White supremacy.
White supremacy?
The flip side of white supremacy is black inferiority.
We must stop white supremacy.
Well, that means blacks are inferior.
We have to ask for DEI because we can't compete with you because you're so freaking good.
We need government interference.
We need government to help us because I can't compete with the white man.
Alright, thank you very much.
Uh-huh.
I guess I am inferior then.
Because I say the stupidest thing I ever heard in my life was affirmative action and DEI. Now think about this.
You're a black man, right?
You're saying businesses and the government are racist.
And everybody says, yeah!
What's your solution to this?
Let the businesses and the government go to the black community and decide these racist businesses and racist governments go down to the black community and decide what black people they're going to elevate.
So you're going to let the racists decide what black people are going to elevate them.
Yeah, that's right.
Who do you think they're going to pick?
Malcolm X or Seth and Fetch it?
They don't want to end discrimination.
They want to control discrimination.
They want to have this program so they say, okay, you decide what black person gets what.
And they get all their cronies and that's what's happened for the last 50-60 years.
If you want to see the contempt the Democratic Party has for black people, turn on MSNBC and just look at Al Sharpton and Joy Reid.
Look like a damn fool.
She got Trump hair!
unidentified
She hates Donald Trump and got Trump's hair on her head!
tucker carlson
Is she taken seriously?
vince everett ellison
By some, obviously, because they keep her on.
Al Sharpton still pressed his hair.
And the conk left the black community.
unidentified
The conk left when David Ruffin left the Temptations back in 1967. It's an old school look, I will say.
Look like a fool!
But you know what?
vince everett ellison
That's how they see us.
Yo, the word was out that Al Sharpton was a drug dealer back in the day.
What's the mafia guy you had on your show?
tucker carlson
The who?
vince everett ellison
The mafia guy.
Ex-mafia guy.
tucker carlson
Oh, what a great guy.
vince everett ellison
Oh, God, that guy's awesome.
tucker carlson
Oh, gosh.
I talked to him the other day.
vince everett ellison
Yeah, man, he's awesome.
He's awesome.
And he came out on Real Sports with Brian Gumbel and told the Al Sharpton story.
Said that, you know, Al was, and then Al had to come out and admit to it.
Yeah, he's a snitch.
tucker carlson
Oh, he was an FBI snitch.
vince everett ellison
Yeah, out there selling drugs.
Now I heard that they wanted to end menthol cigarettes in the black community, right?
And Joe Biden pulled back on it because they started to say it might make black people mad at him and Joe don't want to lose any votes, right?
So let them die.
They said to save between 300,000 and 600,000 lives in the next few years, Joe said, I'm going to lose some votes.
Let them die.
tucker carlson
Why am I laughing?
It's so gross.
unidentified
Let them die.
vince everett ellison
They're just black people.
unidentified
Let them die.
vince everett ellison
So I smelled a rat, right?
I turned Joe Biden away from this.
I said, I think I got a pretty good idea.
So I smelled a rat and I put that rat's name in and put in meth on cigarettes and Al Sharpton showed up.
unidentified
I said, wait, him again?
vince everett ellison
Hadn't this clown done enough?
So the cigarette manufacturer called Al up and said, Al, we're going to give you some money to go down into the black community and put some heat on Joe Biden to keep him from...
Banning these menthol cigarettes because we're getting paid, you know.
And so Al was trying to be slick.
He didn't want to go against the NAACP, so he decided to corrupt George Floyd's brother.
unidentified
And Eric Gardner's mother and had them go down there and talk for him.
vince everett ellison
So he didn't have to be on the front pages behind him.
tucker carlson
George Floyd's brother is a menthol cigarette lobbyist?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
tucker carlson
He's working for Newport now?
unidentified
He's working with Al Charter.
vince everett ellison
Al painted him under the table, I guess.
And Eric Gardner's mother, he sent them down to talk for the menthol cigarettes to stay in the black community.
And then they started putting the heat on Joe Biden.
Joe Biden pulled it back because they said it might cost him some votes.
So Joey said, let them die.
They've taken all other flavored cigarettes out that the white people smoke.
tucker carlson
Yeah, yeah.
vince everett ellison
But when it comes to black people, the menthol makes the nicotine more addictive, right?
And everybody knows this, okay?
And for some reason, when they were addicting the communities to cigarettes back in the 40s and 50s, they were just giving them away.
They were giving the menthol cigarettes away in the black community.
For sure.
Black people were smoking them.
And I always wondered why black people smoked certain brands, Kool's, Newport's.
But they were giving them away.
tucker carlson
Was that true when you were a kid too?
vince everett ellison
Yeah, yeah.
My father didn't smoke.
He never smoked.
My mom didn't smoke, so I didn't smoke.
So I would see my uncles and black men.
Everybody smoked except my dad and my mom.
And I always kind of wondered why they smoked the same brand.
And I never saw white people smoking them.
tucker carlson
No, they're nasty cigarettes.
vince everett ellison
Yeah, I've never.
I'm hearing, so I hadn't thought about it at all until I read this story about Biden pulling back the man on menthol cigarettes.
And I said, there's got to be something behind it.
This is always, with all the money, right?
tucker carlson
Well, of course.
vince everett ellison
And there stood Al Sharpton.
I said, boy, now he's killing black people with menthol cigarettes.
300, 600,000 black lives.
I guess black lives don't matter when it comes to menthol cigarettes.
unidentified
So they gave Al a little money.
vince everett ellison
Somebody said, you know, Al, if you take this money, 600,000 black people are going to die.
unidentified
He said, and?
How much money am I giving?
tucker carlson
But it is, I think you're absolutely right.
I never thought of it this way, because I'm not black, but it's an expression of contempt.
Exactly what that is.
Here are your spokesmen, here are your leaders, Joy Reid and Al Sharpton.
You obviously don't think much of me.
vince everett ellison
Tucker, you and I both know black people that are much more qualified.
Much better at what they do.
tucker carlson
Yeah, I do.
vince everett ellison
Much more well-spoken, better-looking.
I can understand how Joe Biden looked at Al Sharpton and thought the black people weren't clean, okay?
Look at it, right?
So, you know, you look at these people that they choose.
The DEI hires, right?
tucker carlson
Yeah.
vince everett ellison
Jim Clyburn, Maxine Waters.
A bunch of idiots.
I mean, If you ever get the opportunity to sit down and have a conversation with them, you're going to walk away saying, oh my God, black people are doomed.
These people are absolutely moronic.
And they are leading the black community.
And they are the stupidest people walking the face of this earth.
From Sharpton to Jackson to Clyburn to Maxine Waters.
Oh my goodness.
And, you know, I'm warning.
Black people about them because you ask the question.
I mean, I tell them.
Look at where they rule.
They're all kings over ghettos.
Standing on their ashes.
Playing the fiddle.
Drugs.
Fighting.
Dope.
Terrible schools.
Family breakdown.
Graffiti.
Man, you wouldn't let your dog live in the places these people live in Detroit and Chicago and New York.
And they are there, and then what happens when they run for office?
There's no opposition because the Republicans don't even show up down here.
tucker carlson
No, it's true.
vince everett ellison
They don't even show up.
There's no opposition anymore.
Chicago and in these black majority districts.
None.
None.
So these people are left to be smitten and beaten down and destroyed in a one-party system.
This is why I say...
As Taylor Brant said in his book, that in 1956, the communists in America were given instructions to turn the black community into a direct opera of the Soviet bloc.
And they've done it.
One-party rule, dictator worship, apostate religion, poverty, drug abuse, government dependency.
It's a third-world country and a first-world country.
The black community in these cities are like Haiti, or worse.
And it started out with Martin Luther King Jr. whose whole life was a diddy party.
Oranges and smoking and fighting and whipping up on women.
Martin Luther King Jr. make a diddy party look like a Catholic convent school.
Just show they not your ass.
tucker carlson
He was smoking a menthol cigarette when he was killed.
unidentified
Yes, he sure was.
vince everett ellison
He was smoking a menthol cigarette when he got shot.
And had been fighting and beating up women the night before.
unidentified
And drinking and It's just, it's interesting.
tucker carlson
I hesitate to even say it out loud, but you're just from such a different, I can see why you're mad about this because you're just from a different world.
vince everett ellison
Yes.
tucker carlson
And the world you grew up in was not collapsed or pathetic.
It sounds like, no.
vince everett ellison
No.
There's a, there's a, there's always a penalty for lying to the strong.
Some people you can lie to and say, you lied to the wrong joker.
You don't have to pay for it.
I'm one of those type of guys.
tucker carlson
Yes.
vince everett ellison
See, I was told up.
To revere these people.
Martin Luther King Jr.'s picture is still in my daddy's house right now.
Revere them.
What they said was right.
It was canon.
And then when you're searching it, it's almost like when C.S. Lewis was talking to Tolkien and Tolkien was trying to tell, you know, C.S. Lewis was an atheist and Tolkien believed in God and I would have loved, and there's a book, How These Two Brainiacs Discuss This, right?
Tolkien and C.S. Lewis walking around Cambridge discussing this.
And Tolkien finally hit C.S. Lewis with an absolute fact.
He said Jesus Christ was either a maniac.
tucker carlson
Yes.
vince everett ellison
Oh, he's exactly who he said he was.
There's no middle ground here.
Now, you got to decide.
And Lewis looked at all the evidence.
He said, man went crazy.
He had to be who he said he was.
And he said he had to deal with it.
He went through a convulsion.
And after that, you know who C.S. Lewis became, the greatest Christian apologist of the 20th century.
tucker carlson
That's for sure.
vince everett ellison
Learned so much from him, from his writings.
He died on the same day that JFK died.
And I'm reading his works, and they've led me to great places.
Hell is a choice, right?
Pride, the most damnable sin.
We were growing up.
Black pride, black pride.
unidentified
Whoa!
vince everett ellison
Pride's a damnable sin.
I don't even use the word anymore.
I tell my children I'm pleased with them.
What did God say to Jesus?
My son, I'm well pleased.
We don't use pride now.
We use esteem.
I'm esteemed.
I aspire.
I tell my children, I'm well pleased with you.
Because pride is something God hates.
And what if the left, they made it a virtue.
And children are dying because of pride.
That's why they pull their pants down.
Pride.
You're offending me.
I don't care.
What does a humble person do?
They walk in and say, I don't want to do anything to offend you, sir.
tucker carlson
Exactly right.
vince everett ellison
So tell me the rules here.
tucker carlson
Because I'm putting your needs, your feelings above my own.
vince everett ellison
Exactly.
Oh, not the left.
Uh-uh.
Me, me, me, me, me.
unidentified
What do they say?
vince everett ellison
Me, me, my truth.
Me, me, me.
God hates that.
And they try to use it as a virtue.
Tolerance.
Tolerance is a sin.
Billy Graham did a great sermon on the sin of tolerance.
My next book coming out at the end of July is called The End of Tolerance.
I'm telling America our tolerance has to end.
We have to become intolerant of these things.
And we can't be afraid to say that we are.
No, no further.
You're not bringing this to my household.
You're not saying this to my child.
We're not allowing this any longer.
I'm not going to allow you to sexualize my child.
I'm not going to allow you to bring a drag queen into school and shake his ass in my son's face.
I'm not going to allow you to corrupt my children.
unidentified
I'm not going to allow it.
vince everett ellison
You have to stand firm and say, I'm not going to allow it.
Tell my mother, I'm not going to allow you to feminize my son.
We have to start telling the court system, you're going to stop.
Taking boys away from their fathers who can rear them correctly and give them to women who even though they might try, you know they don't have the ability to do it.
You know it.
Why?
Well, that's about 60 years of empirical evidence to show that to be true.
We have to start putting together a society again where if you read this book, my brother gave it to me about The governor of Maryland, Westmore, the two Westmores.
I don't know if you've heard of Oprah.
Oprah had it on her book club thing.
But it was a book about Westmore who became governor of Maryland, a black man.
And another Westmore that ended up in prison.
And he talked about how their lives separate.
But the Westmore of Maryland said that they were both going in the same direction until his mother grabbed him.
He's smoking weed, wasn't doing well in school.
His mother wouldn't have borrowed money from everybody in the family.
It took him to a military school and said, get out.
And they raised him and they gave him discipline.
He ended up going to Oxford.
They know this works.
From Marva Collins at Westside Prep to all these schools around here in America, they know this works.
But you don't teach the slaves on your plantation to read.
They will leave the plantation.
This is why the GOP has to say and I talked about this with a good friend of mine, Dave, right down at Liberty University.
He used to be a congressman.
tucker carlson
Yeah, I know him.
vince everett ellison
And Dave said, Vince, it's going to be Christian businessmen that do this.
It's not going to be the churches.
It's not going to be the politicians.
It's going to be people like me and you, Tucker, like you're doing your job, you do it every day and I applaud you for it, that says, I'm my brother's keeper.
If that man, if that child's a Christian, he's my brother.
And I'm obligated to assist them.
unidentified
Why?
vince everett ellison
He's my brother.
You and I talked about brothers, right?
tucker carlson
That's right.
vince everett ellison
My brother's staying together.
He's my brother.
And therefore, we are obligated once we get to a point in life to say, we got to go back and get some.
We have to.
And we have to stop doing like, and we sometimes get trapped in what liberals do.
Let's use government.
Let's go to government.
Let's go to government.
So why would we have to go to government?
When we are captains of industry, when we have millions of dollars, when we just do it ourselves, we can scholarships, we can...
Boarding schools.
We can get these really troubled.
Let's start at the troubled boys first.
And let's go and say, Ms. Jackson, your son is flunking out of school.
He's in the second grade.
He's going to end up where his dad is in prison and on dope.
We can take him and educate him and I'll make a man out of him by the time he's 18 and he'll take care of you for the rest of your life.
Can we have him?
You can see him on the weekend.
She'll start taking him.
Guarantee it.
Guarantee it.
That's what we must start doing, and that's how we reconnect the chain.
By going and recognizing, because if the black community is corrected, 60% of the crime in America fades away.
The carjackings in D.C., Tucker, and in Memphis, and they're getting younger and younger.
Man, I read a story that hurt my heart.
It was a special needs guy in Washington, D.C. He had two fingers on each hand.
I think he's in his 50s.
Him and this guy had gotten to it on the street about something, an argument of fighting.
And it ended.
And a group of five black girls under the age of 15 asked the guy, can we jump on him?
He said, yeah, go do it.
And they beat the guy to death.
This was about maybe a month ago.
Beat him to death.
And you say, what type of society do we have now?
Almost 20 juveniles have been killed in D.C. already this year under the age of 18. Shot in the street.
And it happens all the time now where we're numb to it.
There's a way out.
We have to go back to our Christian virtue.
We have to go back to loving our neighbor as ourself.
And like I said, we want Christian men to first love God with all your heart, your soul, and your mind.
Then you love your neighbor as yourself, because as we discussed before, unless you love God first, with your heart, soul, and mind, you can't love yourself.
How do you love yourself unless you don't love God?
Then when you love Him, and the peace of God comes over you, then you know how to love your neighbor.
And we're not talking about some idol.
Like hip-hop music, love, money.
That's your God, right?
Well, if that's the case, what you're going to do to your neighbor, right?
We're going to sell them dope.
We're going to put them into prostitution.
Why?
Because that's my God.
I love my God as myself.
So we have to go back to our Christian standards.
Then we have to go back.
Then we take care of our families.
Then we go and we help our brothers and sisters in Christ.
And when Christian businessmen and women get together and say, forget the GOP, bunch of crook, liars, sycopants.
We're going to do this ourselves.
And you already know this, that charities, public charities always do better than government.
Always.
The taxes are such a high rate, though, we can hardly use any of that money to send it to charity.
But that's what we have to do.
And we have to put out the alarm.
The stuff that you do, man, I don't know.
You're here in Maine right now, and you're kind of isolated like I am in the Blue Ridge Mountains.
You don't know the effect you have on America.
I hope you know.
It is absolutely...
Positively tremendous.
On my way down, I always travel in a suit.
My dad taught me that.
James Brown said, wherever you go, even if you're traveling, you got to strut, right?
So I'm coming down the suit.
Hey, man, you know, that's what I'm going to do.
Everybody knows your name.
It wasn't a person that I talked to.
I flew from I flew from Richmond.
Had to go to Atlanta.
So I went 500 miles south for some reason to come back up here.
Went to Atlanta and then flew from Atlanta up here.
And everybody that stopped me and talked to me and I told them I was going, everybody knew who you were.
Black, white, Asian didn't matter.
Everybody knew Tucker Carlson.
And everybody said, oh man, he's great!
And I'm looking at, I mean, everybody.
Love Tucker.
unidentified
Love.
vince everett ellison
Tell him I said hi.
tucker carlson
Oh, you're making me feel like I should leave my house once in a while.
vince everett ellison
Look.
In Lynchburg, everywhere I went, when I would tell people, people say, oh, Vince, what do you do?
I was going to talk, you know, Mr. Tucker?
And then they lean in, and it's never been a person I've met ever at the gym, at the grocery store, at church, on the street.
And when I mention your name, they do not know who you are.
tucker carlson
Well, you haven't met, obviously, a lot of unmarried 45-year-old white female lawyers.
They're not my fan of it.
unidentified
Okay.
tucker carlson
Okay, I'll take a break at the men's room.
vince everett ellison
Go ahead, man.
tucker carlson
This is incredible.
vince everett ellison
Oh, man, I'm having fun.
I'm having fun, man.
tucker carlson
I would say a couple...
I know Sharpton very well.
And a couple of things I would say...
vince everett ellison
I remember you said you went to Liberia with him?
tucker carlson
Yep.
vince everett ellison
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
tucker carlson
He's not stupid.
vince everett ellison
Oh, no.
He's not dumb at all.
tucker carlson
No.
He's one of the very few public figures who's actually smarter than he looks.
vince everett ellison
I quoted you in my book when you said Al Sharpton wants to be president of Black America.
tucker carlson
Yeah, that's all he cares about.
vince everett ellison
And see, and I said...
I thought he was supposed to be a preacher.
tucker carlson
No, I know.
vince everett ellison
Whose job is to bring people to Jesus Christ.
Why are you involved in politics?
If you're a preacher, why are you involved in politics?
tucker carlson
You know what he was?
It's interesting.
He was...
I mean, look, all of us make decisions freely, the big decisions freely.
Like, they're our fault.
Of course, I'm not giving you a pass on it.
But Sharpton grew up a performer.
In the church.
vince everett ellison
Yeah, he was preaching at three, four years old.
tucker carlson
Yeah, exactly.
At four.
And his mom sent him around.
His father had an affair with his mother's daughter from a first marriage with his stepdaughter and ran off.
Yeah.
But she put Sharpton out on the road at like four.
Boy preacher, Al Sharpton.
He went on the road with like Mahalia Jackson, I think.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
vince everett ellison
Oh, wow.
tucker carlson
And I'm preaching.
And so he's grew up in a really distorted way.
I think that's part of it.
vince everett ellison
Well, that's what's happened with the black church.
It's turned Christianity into entertainment.
tucker carlson
Yeah.
vince everett ellison
And it doesn't need to do that.
It really doesn't.
The word is enough.
If you want to see yourself a good singer, just give them a box of guitar and listen to them.
I love James Taylor.
James Taylor can just sit down with an acoustic guitar.
Wow, James Taylor's great.
Tracy Chapman can do the same.
But Hale Jackson could just have a piano and could rock an auditorium.
tucker carlson
That's for sure.
vince everett ellison
But when you guys, Kiss needed to have explosions and makeup and stacks that high because they couldn't sing.
So they needed to entertain.
When you have preachers that don't know the word, they go into entertainment.
tucker carlson
Do you preach ever?
vince everett ellison
No, man.
I take preaching.
Everybody says, unless Jesus Christ comes and sits beside me and tells me, I want you to go preach my word, I'm not going to say I'm speaking for him.
I'm more like a layman.
tucker carlson
I agree with that.
vince everett ellison
I take it from like C.S. Lewis, right?
C.S. Lewis said, no, I didn't go to seminary.
I'm not a preacher.
I am a Christian.
I'm just explaining to you.
My relationship with Christ and how I see it.
I hope you agree.
And he changed the world.
We have people now, and I don't know how it gets back right, because as you know through your history that with the Jewish community, the Sanhedrin and the Sadducees had to be destroyed.
Their line really doesn't exist like it did back then any longer because they become so apostate.
The Civil Rights Movement did that to the black preacher.
It brought liberalism into the black church when it had been very conservative in its teachings and wasn't really into politics much at all.
Now it's getting very liberal in its teachings.
You have very few black preachers that were preaching against LGBTQ or against abortion because the Democratic Party controls the preacher.
And we have two generations of black people now that have not really heard the truth.
They will play Martin Luther King Jr. over and over again who doesn't really mention the name of Jesus unless it's in a parable.
You never see them baptize anybody.
You never see them at altar call or tell people come to faith or bring them to Christ.
Everything's about the vote.
Everything's about marching.
Everything's about protesting.
And they see the church through that vein.
And that is not its calling.
tucker carlson
No, that's corrupt.
vince everett ellison
Yes.
tucker carlson
And corrupting.
vince everett ellison
Yes.
And it's corrupted the black community.
And it's corrupting the white community now because they're doing the same thing.
And people are believing, and they're saying, if you want to get butts in the pews, this is what you do.
You start talking about social justice.
And C.S. Lewis in the Screwtape Letters talked about social justice.
He said that we want to use Christianity to an end.
Even to the end of social justice.
He said, because the enemy, he called God the enemy, of course, because he was the devil.
He said, because the enemy will not be used as a convenience.
And I said, wow!
And when I read it, it made me more angry because we've been told that social justice is a good thing.
But C.S. Lewis said, God will not be used as a convenience.
And we try to use him as that.
Pay my light bill.
Pay my card note.
Give me a house.
Give me a job.
Hell, a social worker can get you that.
Who can get you eternal life?
He's not your do-boy.
He's not your cosmic chauffeur.
And they have relegated him to that.
And he will not be used as a convenience.
And right now we're telling people this lie that if you join my church, He's going to bless you with a Cadillac.
He's going to bless you with more money.
He's going to bless you with that.
No, he'll make sure that you're in peace no matter where you are.
My father one time, it was a beautiful situation.
It didn't start out the way, but it ended up great.
His 80th birthday, they were going to hold him a big birthday celebration.
And my sisters were setting it up, right?
And they hadn't gotten everything straight.
So we were at church.
They said, Vince, we don't have everything set up yet.
We need you to take daddy off somewhere and keep him occupied for about two hours.
I said, what do you want me to do with daddy for two hours?
I mean, you can't do anything.
Daddy do what he want to do.
You find a way to get it done.
You know, my sisters, they rule the rules.
I said, all right.
So I grabbed him.
Hey, daddy, come on, let's go somewhere because they want to be a surprise, right?
He wanted to be a surprise birthday party.
Okay, boy, let's go.
So I got him.
I put him in my car and I said, hey, daddy, show me where I was born.
The place where I was born.
I was in Tennessee.
He said, I'll take you right to it.
So he and I got in the car and we drove.
He said, turn here.
He knew exactly where it was.
And he said, turn up in here.
And I turned up in there and it was a field.
And he got out.
And my mother passed away 12 years ago.
And he started pointing at places.
And he said, the house was there.
He said, we would sit on the porch there and we would watch y'all play, me and your mother.
He stopped and said, happy days of my life.
And I said, wow.
They were poor.
They were young.
They didn't have running water.
He says, happiest days of my life.
He gives you peace no matter where you are in your life.
tucker carlson
Ah, you're making me emotional.
vince everett ellison
That's it.
Rich, poor, whatever.
Peace.
That's what we're after, Tucker.
Everything's going to be okay.
We turn to God, why?
Because we believe He's going to make everything okay.
Government says, turn to us.
That's a lie.
Leave them alone.
Turn to God.
And you find people, you and I have seen them, while they're rising in life, when they become millionaires, what do they say?
Boy, the happiest time of my life is when me and my wife are living in a one-bedroom apartment and y'all were children.
And then when they get rich, they're taking pills and they're hating one another.
And they'll turn back and they'll tell you, God, man, those happiest times of my life when I was young.
When we were starting out.
And our Bible tells us if you keep your mind on him, he'll keep you in perfect peace.
When he left to go to heaven, he said, my peace, I leave with you.
Why do we have a fentanyl crisis in America?
No peace.
These children don't even know where to turn for it.
Because they're telling them you're not a man, you're not a woman, you have pride, you don't turn to God, God's not real.
And you have, and I was wired up in my religion.
You know, we believed in Santa Claus when we was five to six years old, right?
So you're supposed to wire children up to believe in God at that time.
When you get in trouble, son, where do you go?
No anxiety, yeah, you're just going to be fine.
I've seen the end of the book.
You're going to win.
You're going to win.
And he walks through like, yes.
You know, as Muhammad Ali walking into a ring looking at an undefeated number one contender telling him, I'm going to kick your ass!
That's what he'd do with his hands up.
That's how you wake up in life every day looking and saying, I'm going to kick your ass.
There ain't no way you beat me today.
No way.
I win.
And when you do that, he starts backing up off of you.
But when you have to go to government, and when you have to go to man, and man is wishy-washy, you know, he's going to go for his own best interest.
And they're telling these children this lie.
This lie.
And so, we have wealthy people in our family.
Off to buy daddy a house.
Daddy said, for what?
My house is fine.
I bought it in 1972. I paid it off.
And he sits there with his new wife and he's as happy as he can be.
And when we come there, it's a communion.
We will all give our big houses for the small house that dad lives in right now because of all the happiness that was there.
Peace.
Just a serenity.
I told my brothers and sisters, I might move back to dad's house when I become an old man and just sit there and chill like you were here in Maine, right?
The peace.
That's what it brings you.
That's what we're all after.
tucker carlson
Over the last two hours, you've said a bunch of different times that we've We've bought the lie that voting brings us peace.
vince everett ellison
Yes.
Oh, I think it's a panacea.
It's seven or eight things down.
I mean, would you prefer to have, what's more powerful to have, two rich guys in a town of 100,000 that can control elections?
Or have 100,000 people that are broke who are controlled by the two rich guys?
It's money and power, Tucker.
We know that.
The people that, the lobbyists in D.C., the people that have the money, they control what we see on TV. The masses are controlled by these people.
And if voting was a panacea, and this is something that's pretty interesting, you're going to love this stat.
The 1965 Voting Rights Act that they love, Martin Luther King Jr. is all hail for, right?
They love him.
Was, of course, passed in 1965, right?
The greatest Percentage of black people who ever voted in a presidential election was in 2008 for Barack Obama.
2007 election.
Before then, do you know the second number?
1964. Before the Voting Rights Act.
That's a fact.
Before Barack Obama's election in 19-2007, in 1964, you had the highest percentage of black people ever voted in the history of this nation.
Almost 70%.
And that was before the 1965 Voting Rights Act.
It was a tail end of something.
It caused nothing for the black community.
But they gave all of this to the Civil Rights Movement because they needed King to be on top.
They needed him to have a victory and even now they still lie about the impact that the Voting Rights Act has had on the United States of America.
More black people voted in 1964 than had ever voted before before the Voting Rights Act was even passed.
Now isn't that interesting?
tucker carlson
Well, it's consistent, and it's not just black voters they say that to.
vince everett ellison
They say it to America.
tucker carlson
But they offer up something that doesn't actually help you, that it's a purely symbolic victory.
unidentified
Yes.
tucker carlson
Here's your win.
Here's your prize.
unidentified
It's politics.
tucker carlson
What does that have to do with anything?
vince everett ellison
Yes, politics did this for you.
We did it.
You know, people come up to me.
You weren't talking about the Civil Rights Movement, Martin Luther King Jr. You wouldn't have nothing if it wasn't for the Civil Rights Movement.
They said, man, you lost your mind.
Jesus Christ has ordained something for me.
Do you think anybody can stop it?
Are you crazy?
You're an idolater.
You think that Jesus Christ has ordained something for me and some white racist can stop me?
Oh, you've lost your mind.
That's why you don't have anything.
You've sat here in my face and told me that I can be stopped.
By a racist and that I need government to give me what I have.
I'm just about to pistol whip your ass right about now.
How you think you talking to?
You projecting, man.
Maybe you're a beggar.
Not me.
Never me.
You wouldn't have nothing if it wasn't for the civil rights movement.
unidentified
Oh, that was a millionaire.
vince everett ellison
Al Ross in my hometown was a black millionaire before the Civil Rights Movement.
Jackie Robinson had gotten into baseball.
He integrated before the Civil Rights Movement.
tucker carlson
Well, you grew up in a pretty poor place, but you had a black millionaire.
vince everett ellison
Oh, yeah.
Al Ross was great.
His grandson, Bill Ross, is the mayor of Brownsville right now.
Al Ross gave my father a job.
My father never worked for white America.
He worked for himself, or he worked for a black man.
tucker carlson
This whole life.
vince everett ellison
Yeah, we had many prominent black people where I live.
I saw many prominent black people.
School teachers, business owners, people on clubs.
You know, it was just, you had poor whites, poor blacks, rich whites, rich blacks.
It was just what it was.
It wasn't a situation where all black people were downtrodden, white folks beating them and hanging them from trees.
I've never seen anything like that.
tucker carlson
And this is in the Delta.
vince everett ellison
Yeah, this is in the Delta.
tucker carlson
This is the poorest part of the United States.
vince everett ellison
Yes.
I had a football coach named Rufus Lassiter.
Great coach.
Football coach at Haywood County, Tennessee.
tucker carlson
Rufus Lassiter?
vince everett ellison
Rufus Lassiter.
tucker carlson
That's the greatest name ever.
vince everett ellison
Oh man, he was great.
Hardcore, one of those.
Was just a great man.
White man.
My whole coaching staff was white.
Never any semblance of racism, meanness toward the player.
tucker carlson
Was the team mostly black?
vince everett ellison
Mostly black.
Yeah, mostly black.
And those coaches were awesome.
Never at the school was there any racism from the teachers.
None of that.
tucker carlson
Was there racial tension at your school?
vince everett ellison
No.
We went to school with white children and their friends of mine even to this day.
None.
Never had a white-black fight, riot.
tucker carlson
Really?
vince everett ellison
Never.
tucker carlson
What were the percentages, would you say?
vince everett ellison
I was just about 55-45.
tucker carlson
Seriously?
vince everett ellison
Yeah.
Maybe 60-40 black.
tucker carlson
And you never had racial tension?
vince everett ellison
Never.
Not one time.
tucker carlson
So if you're...
25 right now in 2024, you can't even imagine the world you're describing.
No one under 50 has even come into contact with a world like the one you're describing.
vince everett ellison
History's gonna tell them we were fighting, we were hating one another, there was racial strife, the white people were treating us like we was dogs, we couldn't do anything, the government had to come in and save us, all of that.
And all of that is a lie.
All of it is a lie.
We saw people live and die based on their merit.
Some people did very, very well.
Some people did not.
And race really didn't have anything to do with it at all.
tucker carlson
And you're talking about your life that you lived.
You saw this with your own eyes.
vince everett ellison
Yes.
And right now, it's the same thing now.
You know about my family intimately, and you see how successful we've been.
And as I tell people all the time.
tucker carlson
I'm not going to let this secret out, but yes, I do.
I am familiar with your family.
vince everett ellison
Exactly.
tucker carlson
That is true.
You're not exaggerating.
vince everett ellison
No.
And as I tell people all the time, you don't get much blacker than me, okay?
unidentified
It ain't like you can walk past and mistake themselves as a white man, right?
vince everett ellison
And so it's obvious that I'm black.
unidentified
So?
They don't care?
vince everett ellison
I'm black and what?
What are you going to judge?
I'm going to walk around some race and say, please, boss, don't judge about the color of my skin.
No, if you don't like me, that's your problem.
You put your hands on me, you have another problem.
I'm going to love you.
I've been ordered by Christ to do so.
I'm going to love you.
I'm going to treat you right.
I'm not going to cheat you.
I'm not going to lie on you.
I'm not going to do anything.
But it ends with blatant disrespect or with you trying to harm me.
And most men understand that.
And because of that, it never happens.
Never.
I travel all over this country.
I mean, nothing but nice people.
Me too.
I can't remember the last time I met a bad person.
I'm literally sitting here trying to think, and I cannot think of it.
The last time I met a person that was just mean to me.
I can't come up with it.
I really cannot.
tucker carlson
That's not the America that Joe Biden describes.
vince everett ellison
Yeah, isn't it something?
Well, he's around Democrats, you know, so they probably that way.
But the rank-and-file American that I run into...
Every day.
And again, like you, I travel a lot.
And I run into people.
And I know people really know you.
They see you, Tucker Carlson, right?
And they come up to you.
And I bet they're nice.
tucker carlson
They are nice, actually.
Yeah.
vince everett ellison
And so they want us to hate one another.
They want us to look at one another and, you know, like Iago and Othello whispering in your ear, you know, whispering in your ear.
He's your enemy.
You watch him.
He's your enemy.
You watch him.
You watch him.
Dude ain't done nothing to you.
But, you know, they whisper in your ear.
He's out to get you, man.
You need to watch him now.
And when that's planted, paranoia sets in.
And you have black people that are isolated in ghettos, right?
Isolated.
unidentified
That never come out.
vince everett ellison
And they've been fed this lie by the black preacher, the black politician, the black civil rights organizer.
And they won't let...
If you want to talk about segregation, you try to integrate one of those majority black districts.
And try to bring a patch of white people in there and see how they're going to fight you.
I mean, if you want to bring black people, I mean, you want to make them mad, bring in a Trader Joe's, right?
unidentified
Or Whole Foods.
You're going to bring white people in here.
vince everett ellison
Get them things out of here.
Oh, man, they'll try to burn it down.
They don't want white people in those areas because you're bringing alien ideas to the locals.
No, they want to keep white America out of those black areas.
They call it gentrification.
There's just a fancy word saying, keep white folks out.
tucker carlson
And why do they want that?
vince everett ellison
Because they want control.
Ralph Abernathy wrote in his book, In the Walls Came Humbling Down, in the 1980 election, he went to them and said, look guys, welfare is destroying the black family.
It's destroying the world.
We've got three generations of black people on welfare.
We need to start doing something to get them off.
And he wrote this in his book.
I know we'll forget it.
He said, it pleased, he said something curious happened.
It pleased them to see Three generations of Black families on welfare because it gave them control.
And that's when he endorsed Ronald Reagan for president.
tucker carlson
Ralph Abernathy endorsed Reagan?
vince everett ellison
In 1980. How did I not know that?
Yeah.
And that's why he did it.
Because he said that the Black Caucus was trapping Black people into this welfare trap.
And you remember when they did the welfare bill with Bill Clinton, how the Black Caucus fought against it, and they never voted for it, ever.
They want to keep these people exactly where they are.
That's where their power comes from.
It has always been one of these attributes of black leadership that's very different than any other leadership in America.
Jewish leadership, Asian leadership, and the people in the Indian community, they look out for the benefit of their people, their trustees.
Black leadership has always been a sellout leadership that came from the plantation system and the house Negro system.
So when black people in the South finally got the right to do anything, They would go with their old slave masters and the slave masters had their outside children, their mulatto children, and they would put them in the power of the black community and they would give them the money to set up shop, to have money to run for office, and it was always this interconnection between them and the class of black people and the lower class black people that were under their control.
And it's that way still today.
The preacher, the civic organizers, and the politicians, they're all part Of this little iron triangle where the rich white liberals in the Democratic Party give them money and they control the black community.
And the Democratic Party is an apostate evil organization.
It is the evilest organization in the history of the world.
Nothing ever comes close.
The Nazis were here for about maybe 20 years.
The Democrats have been here for 220. And they were the party of slavery from 1800 to 1860. The party of the Confederacy from 1860 to 1865. The party of Jim Crow.
From 1865 to 1965, wholesale murder, rape, torture, castration, they did it.
All for power.
The civil rights movement was necessitated behind the atrocities of the Democrat Party down south.
And none of them voted for any other civil rights legislation, maybe about one or two of them.
And do you think that after it passed that they changed on a dime?
Every senator that voted, every Democrat senator down south that voted against the civil rights legislations of the 60s, remained in office.
They never got beat.
Whether it was Lester Maddox, whether it was Eastern, whether it was Stennis, all of them kept their power.
And a lot of them started keeping their power with the black vote.
Because through Stockholm Syndrome, black people were voting for the Democratic Party because they had taken on the characteristics of their masters.
And they wanted to please him.
tucker carlson
Wait, so guys who signed the Southern Manifesto, for example, opposed to civil rights legislation, they got re-elected with majority black support?
vince everett ellison
None of them lost their seats.
Black people got the right to vote down, started voting en masse down south.
Fritz Holland left office.
Oh, man, God.
Fritz left probably in the 2000s.
tucker carlson
I knew him, so it wasn't that long ago.
vince everett ellison
Yeah, and Fritz voted against it.
tucker carlson
Yeah.
vince everett ellison
Fritz voted against it.
Dennis Eastman.
All of those old Dixiecrats down there voted against it.
And none of them lost their offices behind them.
Black people got the right to vote.
They voted for him.
Matter of fact, George Wallace, the worst of all of them, started winning with the black vote before he died.
Black people voted for George Wallace.
Hell, Jesse Jackson came and campaigned for him.
tucker carlson
You're blowing my mind.
Yeah.
vince everett ellison
That's how corrupted this is.
This is how intertwined it is.
They've always been part of the same group and it's designed for one thing.
And this is why I always tell conservatives, the axis that this thing revolves on is the black community.
This is why now, Tucker, from what you've been doing, about 30% of the black vote has left the Democratic Party over the last year.
It started with our George Floyd interview and then black people started paying attention and now it's just, it's leaving.
And Joe Biden's in a panic.
The Democrats are in a panic.
This is kind of catastrophic for them.
No Republican has gotten over 20% of the black vote.
Nobody's gotten over 15%.
If Trump gets 20% of the black vote, the Democratic Party's done forever.
tucker carlson
Do you think he has a chance?
vince everett ellison
Oh, I think he's got a chance to get more.
My next podcast coming out this Tuesday is going to be Donald Trump, the true first black president.
Because the Democrats have finally done to Donald Trump what they've been doing to black men for 200 years.
What they did to Donald Trump in New York is the Rodney King tape of the Democratic Party coming after white Anglo-Saxon Protestants.
Most coups start at the top.
They don't start at the bottom.
We very seldom see a Mao Zedong coup where they fight for 20 years.
Usually they go and shoot them.
In the head.
And then take over like they're doing in Africa right now, right?
They go to the top and just kill him and they're in charge.
That's what they try to do to Trump.
Trump is not just the leader of the Republican Party.
Trump is the leader of white Anglo-Saxon Protestants who these people despise and hate.
They have an enemy that they're trying to kill.
And it is the white Anglo-Saxon Protestant.
It's not that they dislike him.
The evangelicals and the...
They despise them.
If you put that group and you talk about what they agree with and about what the Democrats and liberals agree with, polar opposites.
Direct polar opposites.
And they know that Trump is the leader of that crew, that crowd.
That crowd is his bases.
That crowd is where he gets all of his power.
And they know that if they take out Trump, who's going to take his place?
Who can walk up right now if Donald Trump is destroyed in the Republican Party and says, And have that crowd come behind them like they've come behind Trump.
I don't think the person exists.
And they know that.
And so this was how the Democratic Party does it cool.
They don't use bullets.
They use the justice system.
Look at who they locked up.
They locked up Manafort.
They locked up...
They're trying to get Bannon now.
They locked up the trade guy with China.
I forget his name.
tucker carlson
Peter Navarro.
vince everett ellison
Yeah, Peter Navarro.
They got Navarro locked up now.
Now they got Trump.
I mean, people don't see what this is?
What's the last time you saw somebody go to jail for contempt of Congress?
How come Eric Holder's not in jail?
tucker carlson
Or Hunter Biden.
unidentified
Yeah!
vince everett ellison
Bannon's going to jail.
tucker carlson
I know.
vince everett ellison
Navarro's in jail.
Trump's the first person in the history of the country they ever tried for what he tried him for.
Oh yeah, they're coming.
And what they're doing is shooting across the bow to see how we respond to it.
Because if we don't respond to it, they're going to keep doing it.
And right now, the people are responding in a way that they didn't expect.
They see it.
What's the old poem?
They came for the labor unionists?
tucker carlson
I said nothing, yeah.
vince everett ellison
I said nothing, and they came for the soldiers, I said something, and they came for the Jews, and I said nothing, and they came for me.
There's no one to speak for me.
And that's why you and I are speaking out and telling people whether you like Trump or not is irrelevant at this time.
They're coming!
And they're not going to stop because evil people and crazy people don't know how to stop.
They don't stop until everybody's dead.
If history tells us nothing, it tells us that.
Adolf Hitler went until Germany was destroyed.
Mussolini did the same.
The crazy jokers in Japan did the same.
They kept going until the nation was destroyed.
These people have taken abortion.
From Roe v.
Wade all the way to nine month abortion.
Now they're in perinatal abortion.
You hear about that in California?
tucker carlson
No.
vince everett ellison
They're voting for an abortion bill that will kill a child 28 days after it's born.
Yes, it's in the house in California.
Perinatal.
After birth.
Why?
Because we, our argument was solid with them.
Well, when does life begin?
We kind of kicking our butts and it begins at conception.
Okay, well, we can come up in three months.
Well, what about one?
Well, what about five months?
Well, okay.
Okay, you're right.
We'll take it to the ninth month then.
Well, if you can take it to the ninth month, why not after?
You're giving us a mission to do that.
You're giving us a mission to commit murder.
Let's do it.
It's logical, isn't it?
Why not?
Our logic is winning out.
Tucker.
And they're telling us, yes, you're right.
We can kill them anytime we want to.
The same thing with our logic when it came down to homosexuality and all this kind of stuff.
They talk about, oh, no, people are born gay, but then they did the Human Genome Project, right?
Didn't find no gay gene.
They did the twin study.
And when one twin was gay, the other twin was gay only about maybe 20-25% of the time.
So it couldn't be in the DNA. You see what I'm talking about?
So they start saying, no, what?
No, it is a choice.
You're right.
But we've gotten the law passed now.
They don't try to argue that any longer.
It's irrelevant.
The law's passed.
And right now, since states can now do whatever they want to do when it comes down to abortion, hell, I guess it's just a matter of legalisms, isn't it?
Like Dred Scott.
Dred Scott is not a man that a white man has no rights that a white man needs to adhere to.
So you've told us with abortion, and this has always been amazing to me, I remember when Scott Peterson, Killed his wife.
You remember Lacey?
tucker carlson
Yes.
vince everett ellison
You remember he's charged with two murders, isn't he?
tucker carlson
Yes.
vince everett ellison
How is that?
When the baby wasn't born yet?
How is that?
tucker carlson
Because everybody knows.
vince everett ellison
Everybody knows.
tucker carlson
It's a person, of course.
vince everett ellison
Everybody knows.
But we have said that the mother has a right to kill that child whenever she chooses.
So if it's a person here, it's a person here.
They know it.
We've allowed that legalism.
We've allowed it to stay.
And now we have to deal with it.
tucker carlson
So, I mean, it's human sacrifice.
I think it's pretty obvious.
vince everett ellison
Of course it is.
tucker carlson
This is a religious right.
Yes.
But at some point, people are punished for killing, for example, for sin.
Are nations punished?
vince everett ellison
I think they are by God.
And I don't think it's God punishing them.
That what happens is he takes his hands off, and you become a virtualist people, and you start killing yourselves.
It was interesting, the commandment that says, Honor thy father and thy mother, so your days will be long on this earth.
And people always think that that means that God will punish you for not obeying your father and your mother.
No, it is a harbinger.
It tells you the type of person that you are.
And my dad would say, if you do not honor and obey me, you won't honor and obey the police.
You'll go outside this house and you'll disrespect the wrong person.
And that wrong person is going to bust a cap in your head.
So when you are disrespectful to your parents, it tells the type of spirit you have in you.
An arrogant, prideful, disrespectful spirit.
tucker carlson
That's right.
vince everett ellison
And that's going to get you in trouble outside of the house.
And the people outside of the house don't love you like your mom and daddy do.
And somebody's going to either lock you up or put you in jail or kill you.
That means you have no respect for yourself.
So you're going to be doing dope and drugs.
You're going to be out there fighting and acting a fool.
So it's a harbinger.
So when people kill their own children, you know, you tell them that you can kill them inside the womb.
Well, that means you can kill them outside of it too.
So why do you think the murder rates are high in the black community?
There's no virtue in life.
You told them you can kill them inside the womb, so why can't I kill them outside the womb?
So now we're killing one another.
And now the nation is dying.
And you won't have any respect for life.
You don't have no respect for anything else because that's the most important thing.
Our Bible tells us I lay before you blessings and curses, life and death.
Choose life so that you and your children shall live.
Choose life!
We're choosing death.
Democratic Party is a death cult.
They know what they're doing.
You take away the rights of people keeping bare arms in a war zone?
Knowing that the police in Detroit is two hours away?
And the criminals know that?
You have people riding down the dangerous highways and tell them they can't be armed and every crook on that highway knows that so if they see your car broke down they know you don't have a gun?
And they can rob you?
Carjackers in D.C.? Why?
Because they can't carry a gun in their car?
That criminals are stupid?
Why do you think they carjack people in D.C. like that?
You can't carry a gun in your car in D.C. Because they're defenseless.
Yes!
And who makes that happen?
They know this!
What did Machiavelli said?
He said that there is no relationship between an armed and a disarmed man.
An armed man has all the power.
All of it.
And when you disarm a person, he's no longer free.
They know this.
This is why when the British came here and I was in Boston, I was at Lexington Green where they confronted them and he said, Carlos, give up your arms.
They said, come take them.
They came to disarm them.
Because they knew that they could not subdue an armed population.
They know once they get our guns, we have to capitulate to what they say.
And wherever you find a large group of black people, what do they do?
Take the guns away.
Now, where did this start?
Right at the end of the Civil War, where they wanted to make sure that the freedmen could be subdued and controlled.
So they put out black codes and said black men cannot have guns.
And so guess who you go out there to start preaching this foolishness?
Black preacher, black politician, black civil rights leader.
Remember those two young black men in Nashville who got kicked out of the house because they were protesting and they went, one in Memphis, one in Nashville, and they got re-elected.
But what were they protesting?
Gun legislation to allow people to be able to more freely have their guns.
They were protesting that.
They didn't want guns in the black community with all the crime.
So you got people out there screaming, Yeah, the police are racist.
The police are racist.
The police are racist, and they're hunting black men.
What is your remedy?
Well, let's turn our guns over to them.
I said, why don't you just be expeditious and blow your own damn brains out?
Just shoot yourself.
I'm going to give the police running after me, chasing me to kill me, and I'm like, oh, wait, I'll take my gun.
tucker carlson
So the cops are racist and they should be the only people allowed to have firearms, right?
vince everett ellison
Whereas logically, if the cops are racist and they got firearms, you should have 10 guns on you.
Because I know that this is a racist cop out there trying to kill me.
It's illogical.
It's stupid.
It's insane.
Government is like children.
They'll take as much power as you let them have.
And you have to tell government no further.
Because we know you're going to start intruding on our rights.
unidentified
And we're not going to allow that.
vince everett ellison
How do we get you off of us?
We will kill you.
Do you understand that?
Okay, no further.
Alright then.
What did Jefferson said?
He said the tree of liberty must be fertilized what?
With the blood of tyrants and patriots.
It's their natural manure.
You got to be willing to and this is where we've had this big problem in the black community.
We've never been willing never been willing to kill for our freedom.
We've been willing to die.
Let me make something absolutely positively clear.
I have no interest in dying for my freedom.
I have every interest in killing any joke that will come and try to take it.
No interest in dying.
None.
I love New Hampshire.
I was up there a couple of weeks ago and I said, I love you guys' motto, live free or die.
I'd like to change one word in that.
It's live free or kill.
No interest in dying for my freedom.
And we were always at our interest in dying for the freedom.
I said, you count me out on that one, player.
This other thing dying for nobody's freedom.
And we talk about that.
Well, I was going on the front lawn and I'll die.
unidentified
Hell, not me!
You would have gone in, man.
We'll go out there and fight somebody.
I remember Sonny Liston said something so funny.
Sonny Liston.
vince everett ellison
They wanted Sonny to get in.
He was champion of the world before he fought Ali, right?
tucker carlson
Here in Maine.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
vince everett ellison
Sonny wanted Sonny to get involved in the civil rights movement.
Sonny saw him down there getting jumped on by police and getting beat and dogs and stuff jumped on.
unidentified
Sonny said, I ain't going to get involved and all they're going to do is take punches.
Sonny said, Sonny said, I have no interest in going down there catching punches, okay?
Now, if you want to go down there and fight, I'm your man.
vince everett ellison
But you think I'm going to let somebody beat the hell out of me?
tucker carlson
So he was more on the Malcolm X side.
vince everett ellison
Yeah, man.
Sonny was knocking out white men.
tucker carlson
Yeah.
vince everett ellison
He didn't see himself as inferior to nobody.
unidentified
Sonny was rich.
vince everett ellison
Sonny had money.
Sonny said, I'd advise you to do what I did.
Stand up for your freedom.
Man, I can't go down there and make you a free man.
Look, Tucker, okay, civil war starts, right?
White men from up north and black men come down and fight to free the slaves, okay?
War is over with.
So, Freedmen's Bureau's down there.
The Ku Klux Klan is down there.
We send federal troops down south.
The Union Army does.
Stay there for years.
Twelve years!
Reconstruction, okay?
Trying to protect black men.
Now think about this.
Twelve years.
Then in the election of 1876, Rutherford B. Hayes against Tilden.
The whole South goes Democrat.
Now Rutherford B. Hayes is the governor of Ohio.
Dude got shot five times as a general in The Civil War, trying to free black folks.
And when each of us get a chance to vote for him, they vote for a Democrat.
So they sit there and they find out that there was all kind of shenanigans behind the vote and everything.
You know, South Carolina had 101% of its registered voters vote.
tucker carlson
Which is a lot.
unidentified
Yeah, you know.
vince everett ellison
And so, of course, they say, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
We're going to pull back the Electoral College vote to South Carolina and give them a raise.
Anyway, South Carolina said, we're going to start the Civil War again if you do that.
So they sat down and said, you know what?
We fought the Civil War for five years.
Probably, in today's money, trillions of dollars.
600,000 of our troops have been maimed or killed, freeing these slaves, these black folks down here.
And they have re-elected the Democratic Party who had them enslaved.
If you want to be with your master, be with him.
Peace out.
And they pulled the troops out.
And then they say what?
We know the old refrain.
White intimidation came in and subdued the black population and beat them down for years.
The racism wouldn't let them vote.
There were three times more black men than white men in South Carolina.
There were two times more in Mississippi.
It was half and half in Louisiana, in Alabama, in Georgia, and in Virginia.
At the beginning of the Civil War, there were 4.5 million whites.
There were 4 million blacks.
There were about 400,000 white men that died in the Civil War.
So by the time the war was over, the best and the strongest of the South's men were dead.
Or, you know, arm cut off, leg cut off.
And the black slave population stayed the same.
And black men wouldn't fight.
Most wouldn't fight.
They wouldn't defend their families.
They wouldn't defend their property.
They were subjugated.
And this is why I always tell people, they ain't getting mad at me.
I don't care.
Slavery, just like freedom, is a choice.
Frederick Douglass was a slave.
He was sent to a slave breaker because he was ornery.
He wouldn't do what he was told to do.
He was 16 years old.
This slave breaker's name was Colby.
Frederick writes about him.
Whooping Frederick and beating him.
And Colby hit Frederick one too many times.
And Frederick beat the hell out of Covey.
Good for him.
And Covey respected him.
And Frederick Douglass, he found out, he said, he says, power gives up nothing without demand.
He said, a weak man can never have power.
He said, he will be pitied for a time, but until the power rises up in him, he will never be respected.
And that's when Frederick Douglass became Frederick Douglass.
He left, got his freedom.
It became who he was.
Harriet Tubman remembered the same thing.
100,000 black people escaped during slavery.
Another 100,000 escaped during the Underground Railroad.
If it was impossible and it wasn't a choice, how did they do it?
How did they choose?
Harriet Tubman would go and get black people and say, come on, let's go to Freemasons.
They say, no, you chose.
Then they want to talk about some reparations.
Ain't that some nerve?
The very Union Army who had 600,000 soldiers almost died to free you, you're going to out sue for having you enslaved.
If you want your reparations, go to Antietam.
Go to Sharpsburg.
Go to Vicksburg.
Go to Gettysburg.
These white boys died and these black soldiers died.
The Massachusetts was 54th.
The Homestead Act comes out in 1866 giving to any able-bodied man, black men too, The right to take 150 acres of land out west, if you're willing to till it.
Less than 5,000 black men joined up for it and stayed on the plantation.
And you're going to tell me slavery is not a choice?
George Washington says, American Revolution, if you fight, you're free.
The British said the same thing.
Some came and fought, others showed to stay on the plantation.
Choice.
War of 1812, same thing.
Some fought, some stayed.
Choice.
Mexican War, same thing.
Some fought, some stayed.
Choice.
Civil War.
Emancipation Proclamation.
Come fight.
Less than 1% joined the Union Army down south.
Choice.
And then you got the nerve to actually do some reparations?
When you turned them down after they offered free land?
Because a bunch of Democrats are going to be lying to you?
Let me tell you something straight.
Everybody listen to me.
You ain't going to get that money.
You can kiss it goodbye.
Some study talking about it's going to be $27 trillion for America to pay reparations.
Well, Tucker, there's a problem with that.
I think that the GDP of America is only like maybe $23 trillion.
And with all of them, everything America made last year.
You're not going to get it.
And here's the greatest reason that you're not going to get it.
Barack Obama became president in 2000. He won in 2007, became president in 2008. You remember this well because he had a filibuster-proof majority in the House and the Senate.
Remember, he had 58 Democrats and two independents caucusing with him.
That was filibuster-proof.
Their culture was done.
And that's how they got Obamacare passed, right?
Nancy Pelosi got it through the House and then they had the 60 votes in the Senate.
And you know how hard it is to get 60 votes for one party in the Senate.
I can remember the last time that ever happened.
Brock had it.
How many times did reparations come up?
tucker carlson
Approximately zero.
unidentified
Approximately zero.
tucker carlson
In that range.
unidentified
Yes.
vince everett ellison
Never came up.
Never came.
Could have passed it easy, couldn't he?
Never came up.
You will never get it.
It's Lucy moving the football, Charlie Brown.
It's the carrot in front of the old mule making him walk.
You will never, ever get it.
And when I hear these people lying to these people, I'm not very well educated.
Telling them about this.
What did the old crow in Animal Farm flew around telling people about?
tucker carlson
Yeah.
vince everett ellison
All the things they were going to get.
What do you call it?
Honey and all this kind of stuff, you know?
And the people were working, believing it.
It's just a communist.
It's part of what they do.
It's how they work.
They give you these false idols to pray to.
They have the statues of Lenin and Stalin all over the Soviet Union like they do King here in America, right?
In the black community, streets and stuff named after him to make people believe that his ideology was so correct.
And the guy wasn't apostate.
Everything he talked about failed.
tucker carlson
So I guess my last question is you've laid out the case, I think, compellingly, that the Democratic Party has oppressed, well, the country, but black people in particular for a couple hundred years.
So what is the thinking of people who...
So you're saying you think the Republican this year could get over 20%, but that's still a lot of people voting Democrat.
vince everett ellison
It is.
It is.
tucker carlson
Why?
vince everett ellison
Social pressure.
tucker carlson
How intense is the social pressure?
vince everett ellison
Oh, you can be ostracized.
tucker carlson
Actually?
vince everett ellison
Yeah, you have to be able to explain yourself very, very well.
Black people that can explain themselves well, like I do.
I have no problem.
Well, why are you against the Democratic Party?
You've seen myself.
They castrate little boys and call them little girls.
These people vote for candidates that say they're going to make it legal for a demented man to go into the bathroom and watch your wife and your daughter urinate.
Then I look at a black man and say, did you hear what I just said to you?
You're going to vote for a man that's going to let a demented man go into the bathroom with your wife and your daughter.
And watch them use the bathroom.
Hell, I don't do that!
tucker carlson
I don't either.
vince everett ellison
And you're going to let some weirdo off the street walk in the bathroom with your wife and your daughter?
And you're going to sit back and laugh about it?
Hell, man, this ain't funny.
What type of man are you?
He said, who does it?
The Democratic Party.
Oh, you ain't been paying attention, huh?
Then you educated him.
He sits back and he said, and he's convicted.
You ever heard a drag queen story out?
No.
You haven't heard a drag queen story out?
No, what is it?
Show it to them.
What's going on?
They're bringing men in dresses in the school and shaking their behinds in your son's face.
Telling him that it's alright for him to be that way.
What?
The Democrat Party is behind this.
unidentified
Oh man, no they ain't.
vince everett ellison
Show it to them.
unidentified
Oh man, I didn't know.
vince everett ellison
Who's going to tell them this, Tucker?
How are they here without a preacher, right?
Is the black preacher telling them?
No.
Is the Black Hawkers telling them?
No.
Is the NAACP telling them?
unidentified
No.
They're all in on it.
vince everett ellison
So what are they going to do?
They're going to come back to the Black community and say, we're going to get you free stuff.
And we hate white people.
Vote for us.
unidentified
White man is your enemy.
vince everett ellison
The reason why you have nothing is because of him.
It's not us.
It's him.
It's him.
It's scapegoating.
You've seen Sharpton and Joy Reid on MSN. See?
It's all white America.
It's white supremacy.
It's always that.
Systemic racism.
All of that.
You know, systemic racism.
Hell, they control all the systems.
They control the schools.
They control the police.
They control the dope gang.
They own every whole house, every prostitute house, every failing school.
They control the judges.
They control the juries.
They control it all, the police forces.
But they have this ability to deflect.
Because there's nobody to give the other side of the narrative.
That's what makes me so dangerous.
I give the other side.
I don't fear them.
My Bible tells me 365 times in it to fear not for every day of the year.
How can I fear a man that wants to walk around with high heels on in a dress?
Scared of him.
What?
You walk around being afraid of a man who wants to walk into a woman's bathroom and watch children urinate.
Sick bastard?
I mean, that's crazy!
Well, I believe I'm a woman.
I don't care!
You go in the bathroom with my daughter, I'm gonna beat the living hell out of you right here, right now.
Not today, bro.
You better wait.
Wait.
And then you look at a man and say, you're gonna vote for a party that allows such a thing.
We need to make it as simple as that.
And I used to be a time when you and I remember this one.
If you caught a man posted up watching women use the bathroom, hell, they'd put him in the crazy house.
tucker carlson
Of course.
He'd be beaten by the dads.
vince everett ellison
Yeah, and then the police would come and whoop him some more.
And the judge would put him in the crazy house.
Now, they'll whoop the dad.
tucker carlson
Oh, yeah.
vince everett ellison
Put the dad in jail.
You better not say a word.
Let this man watch your wife and your child urinate.
And you have men to sit around and let that happen.
tucker carlson
It's disgusting.
vince everett ellison
It's disgusting.
We're going to allow these people to come in, men in dresses, and confuse your children like this.
The call is to them first.
Are you a man?
Are you not?
Now, you know, the ones that say they're not men, that's cool.
But, there are a lot of them that still consider themselves men.
And those are the ones that you reach.
Because these black men are really, they're really making a turn.
tucker carlson
I've noticed.
vince everett ellison
Yes.
tucker carlson
Not black women, though.
vince everett ellison
No, the Democratic Party's their husband.
tucker carlson
Is that what that is?
vince everett ellison
Oh, yeah.
tucker carlson
Because I see the numbers, and it's, people say the black vote is changing.
No, black men are changing.
vince everett ellison
Yeah, black men are changing big, because...
tucker carlson
Do you see the same?
vince everett ellison
Yes, yes, yes, I agree.
But, you know, there's no one in America more, the cheese molding black men.
At least they actually act like it, right?
tucker carlson
Yeah.
vince everett ellison
And you have to remind them of that.
And the black women are protected by government.
You know, they can put restraining orders on men for anything.
They can take their children away and make them pay child support.
They take their sons away.
That's the game that they play.
They use government to come in and try to castrate their husbands and try to castrate their boyfriends.
And the man can say, I'll take my son.
I'll raise him.
I'll take care of him.
No, I'll keep him and I want you to pay me.
And the judges, nine times out of ten, will say, yeah, she's right.
Pay her and let her raise your son.
And you can see him four times out of the month.
And then these boys are raised confused.
But again, they know this.
What did Pharaoh say when he found out that the children of Israel were getting too numerous in Goshen?
He went to the midwives and said, if you see a girl child, let them live.
If you see a boy child, kill him!
Kill him!
Kill the boy child.
There was a book out that says conspiracy to destroy black boys.
There was a great book out that said conspiracy to destroy boys in America.
It was done about 20, 30 years ago.
They're warning people that this society is being settled from the feminists and whatnot to take men out, to feminize men.
The LGBTQ movement, same thing.
Feminization of men.
Confusing them.
Boy Scouts, look at what they've done.
Tucker?
They don't even call them Boy Scouts any longer.
They didn't mess with the Girl Scouts, did they?
We got to take the Boy Scouts out.
The man is the problem.
Our Bible says, Jesus gave the parable that if a robber is going to come into a home, he first must bind the strong man.
He has to bind the strong man before.
But if he doesn't bind the strong man, the strong man will wait and will not allow his house to be shaken up.
They have to bind the strong man, especially the American strong man.
The American strong man, it was something nobody had ever seen before.
He was something that the world had never witnessed before.
I mean, when the Americans came, it was over.
It was wild.
It stopped now.
When those boys invaded France or Normandy, the war was over in six months.
The year was done.
The Boy Scouts against the Hitler Youth beat them down.
When the Americans came, it stopped.
We used to take democracy and morality And meritocracy and capitalism.
The whole world want to be us.
Now look at what we're pushing all over the world.
Kill your children.
Let your men wear dresses.
Push God out of the public square.
Climate change.
Control the whole economy.
They went down to Africa and the Congo.
These people about to starve to death.
They found all this oil down there.
And then the UN is going to say, well, we don't want you to go dig it up because you're going to release a carbon bomb in there.
unidentified
What?
vince everett ellison
We're about to die over here, man.
unidentified
You guys are digging up everything you want to dig up.
vince everett ellison
And then you're going to tell us that we can't dig up our natural resources because it might release a carbon bomb?
And these people are living in huts, Tucker.
No running water.
And they actually went down there and told these people, we don't want you.
This is how crazy they are.
And it's like the Empress New Clothes, right?
Somebody got to call you out and say, little boy said, he's naked.
And everybody else said, oh, he is!
We have to start calling these people crazy.
We entertain them too much by acting like that they have some type of moral equivalency with us.
You have no moral equivalency with me.
You know, this is a great line from the movie.
I love Gladiator, but he was down there talking to the boys getting ready to fight.
And he said to your father, he said, They allow you to watch the games.
He was concerned, and the boy said, they said, make me strong.
He said, what does your father say?
He said, my father's dead.
But that's the question, isn't it?
What does your father say?
He didn't tell him what to do.
He asked him, what does your father say?
I always do that when someone young asks me about politics.
I say, what does your father say?
And when he tells me, that's what you do.
And if I disagree, I say, when you get to be 18 years old, look me up, we'll talk.
Right now you do what your father says.
Alright?
I don't want to go against his father.
That's right.
If I talk to his father, I talk to him.
But I won't talk to the father's son without the father's permission.
I'm not going to try to corrupt his son against his belief system.
Ever.
What does your father say?
Oh, these people don't care.
They'll tell you in public education that these are their children.
They actually say that.
These are our children.
We are going to teach them to think for themselves, not think like you.
The audacity?
And we tolerate it.
My eight-year-old is going to think for himself?
You're going to turn him away from my way of thinking?
If necessary?
Well, okay, then that's fine.
It's ridiculous!
But we've allowed this.
tucker carlson
It's an act of war against your family.
vince everett ellison
It is.
And they've done it.
We've tolerated it.
We have to expose it to people.
It's almost like what...
It's a bad example, but people will get it.
It's almost like what they had to do with Nazism.
They had to expose it to people.
Now you know how terrible this stuff is, right?
You didn't know it was about killing Jews.
No, we didn't know.
Okay, well, you say you didn't, but you see what's going on and it destroys you.
The same thing that we're finding out with communism, right?
People found out that it was just a horrible system.
You know, the gulags and the murders.
And when they came out and said Stalin was murdered and killing people, well, yeah, you made him a tyrant.
And he had no checks and balances.
And that's what they do when they have no checks and balances.
They kill people.
And so you look at this system also.
A system devoid of morality and God?
How can you have moral law without a moral law giver?
And as I've told a bunch of liberals, and I hope they listen to me, all you liberals out there that say you hate Christianity and Jesus Christ, if you want some advice, you better let that slip.
Better leave that alone.
Because I know some brothers that if Jesus Christ wasn't holding their hands back, They kill every last one of these liberals.
For fun.
I know some brothers that were so-called killers that found Christ.
And they still got it in them.
But they've controlled it.
If these people ever find or believe that Jesus Christ does not exist, these little liberals that don't want to have guns, you think they're carjacking them now?
They're going to kill them all.
They'll kill them all.
So my advice to them is you better leave that stuff alone.
You better start pushing Jesus Christ as hard as you can to these young men.
Because if you're not, they're all dead men.
Cursing Christianity is like cursing the roof that protects you from the storm.
It protects them.
tucker carlson
That's right.
vince everett ellison
Why are they so very...
And they're against it.
Love your neighbor.
Don't lie.
Don't steal.
Don't kill.
Don't covet what your neighbor has.
Hate it!
Right now in I think it's Texas.
Read a story this morning.
Texas or Florida.
They want to get rid of some curriculum because it's too Christian.
They don't want children to learn it.
That's their reason.
It's too Christian.
And it all started from this apostate movement that went to government and didn't say these are our white brothers and sisters in Christ.
Some of them have been misled.
We are not misled.
We will teach them by our example.
We will love them irregardless.
We will help them whenever we can.
But this is a family fight between us and them.
They say they're Christian.
We're Christian.
We're going to teach them how we're supposed to love one another.
But that is not the government's job.
The government's job is trying to make us love each other in peace and brotherhood and all that kind of stuff.
Their job is to make the trains run on time.
And if one of us assault one another, Have a trial and put them in jail.
But the reasons why we do it is not, they're not just concerned about that.
Of course, you know, to love one another, have brotherhood and fellowship.
Yeah, that's aspirational.
But it's not the government's job.
tucker carlson
No, it's not.
vince everett ellison
It's the job of churches, mosques, synagogues, families, community centers.
But the government's not supposed to be involved in that.
Well, how are they going to do it?
Tucker put a gun on the air.
unidentified
You're going to love him.
vince everett ellison
What are they going to do?
tucker carlson
Well, it hasn't worked.
unidentified
It doesn't work.
vince everett ellison
It never works.
It never works.
We've seen governments dissolve, and then what happens?
The fractions of society that hated each other before started fighting again.
What happened in Serbia?
tucker carlson
Yeah, Yugoslavia.
unidentified
Yeah, they just started fighting again.
vince everett ellison
They thought they had killed 60, 70 years after.
Started fighting each other.
We saw it in Rwanda with the Tutsis and the Hutus just started killing one another because government was the only thing that was separating them from the fight.
And it's Novocaine.
You think things are going well and it's not.
The only thing that made America, and you know about Christianity, how it moved the abolitionist movement, of course.
The Republican Party didn't come from anywhere.
It was abolitionist training people up north that put the whole party together.
And then they got behind the Republican Party and said, we want slavery to end it.
And it was a Christian movement where segregation in the churches didn't even exist.
Blacks and whites put the church together, fellowship together, love one another.
And if we can just come back to that basic concept again, but again, the primary goal, the thing that makes them most afraid is to see what you and I are doing right here.
A black man and a white man talking and fellowshipping, caring about one another as friends.
They can't stand that.
tucker carlson
Well, I got to say, I mean, we're from very, very, very different worlds, but I can't, I'm going to be thinking about this conversation for a long time.
But now...
Looking back on the last few hours, I don't think I disagree with a single word.
So that tells you something right there.
vince everett ellison
It scares them to death to see that two people like you and I, they might call you a crazy radical and you, whatever they might call you.
But we can sit back.
Is there one thing you can say?
We're racist because we're racist.
We'd be fighting right now.
tucker carlson
Well, that's true.
No, no.
I mean, I can say you speak for me.
vince everett ellison
Well, thank you, brother.
tucker carlson
Thank you.
vince everett ellison
Man, it's always a pleasure.
Anytime you want to sit down and have a conversation with me.
I'm here.
tucker carlson
You've blown my mind.
vince everett ellison
You're a good friend, Tucker.
Thank you, brother.
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