Tucker Carlson grills Pastor Doug Wilson on "Christian nationalism," framing it as a leftist smear against traditional faith while Biden’s 2024 campaign risks demonizing it. Wilson, a key figure in the movement, defines it as God’s sovereignty over the state—not secular rule—and warns that rejecting Him empowers totalitarianism, echoing Satan’s Edenic temptation. He dismisses political fixes, insisting America’s collapse stems from moral rot, not policy, and demands revival through repentance, not ballots. Carlson avoids theological debate but amplifies the critique of Biden’s perceived war on Christian values. [Automatically generated summary]
So if you're Joe Biden standing for re-election at the age of 81, the obvious question is, what exactly are you going to run on?
You're not going to run on the state of the economy.
You're not going to run on the state of the world, which is increasingly chaotic.
You're not going to run on lengthening life expectancy because actually life expectancy is declining in the United States under his watch.
So what are you going to run on?
What are you going to run against?
And the main thing Biden is going to run against is Christianity.
Running against Christianity.
He's already put people in prison for praying, so it's not a stretch.
But of course, you're not going to say, I'm running against Christianity, the world's largest religion.
You're going to say, I'm running against something called Christian nationalism, which was a way of making traditional Christianity seem like a threat to the country rather than the principle upon which it was founded.
So that is their plan.
They can run against something called Christian nationalism.
And in this, they have the full cooperation of Hollywood and the media outlets, which are whipping up the population.
Well, most of us, even those of us who pay some attention, aren't really sure what Christian nationalism is.
Is it a product of what it sounds like, which is some branding meeting in the basement of the DNC designed to make Christians seem really scary if they believe in God?
Maybe.
We decided we would ask the person most closely identified with that phrase, Christian nationalism.
He's one of the rare American Christian pastors.
Who is willing to engage on questions of culture and politics.
And for that, he has taken a lot of grief, but we are honored to have him.
His name is Doug Wilson.
He's the pastor at Christ Church in Moscow, Idaho.
He's the author of several books, including a book called Mere Christendom, The Case for Bringing Christianity Back into Modern Culture.
And with the phrase Christian nationalism, even the part of it that's coming from the left trying to wrap that around our necks, that's something I think I can explain.
May I just ask before you, and thank you for doing that, and I will listen rapidly because I really want to know.
But just to clarify the terms, is that a phrase that you or people with your beliefs came up with, or was that a phrase that was leveled against you?
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Well, both.
Canon Press...
Located in Moscow, Idaho, has a streaming service called Canon Plus.
Canon Press published The Case for Christian Nationalism by Stephen Wolf.
So that was our embrace of the term, okay?
And Stephen Wolf wrote a defense, a scholarly defense of the whole thing, the history of the whole thing.
So we embraced it to that extent.
But then on MSNBC just a few weeks ago...
There was one of the talking heads there that said, anybody who believes that rights come from God and not from Congress and not from the Supreme Court is a Christian nationalist.
So anybody who, you know, making Thomas Jefferson a Christian nationalist, endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights.
So anybody who believes that, according to the left, is a Christian nationalist.
And there is a developed...
There's a set of arguments in defense of that phrase that can be, I think, pointed out in short order.
Trying to defend other things they call you is like putting lipstick on a pig.
It's not going to be any good.
But this is something that people can say, oh, I love my nation, and I'm a Christian.