April 15, 2024 - The Tucker Carlson Show
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| So if you're Joe Biden standing for re-election at the age of 81, the obvious question is, what exactly are you going to run on? | ||
| You're not going to run on the state of the economy. | ||
| You're not going to run on the state of the world, which is increasingly chaotic. | ||
| You're not going to run on lengthening life expectancy because actually life expectancy is declining in the United States under his watch. | ||
| So what are you going to run on? | ||
| What are you going to run against? | ||
| And the main thing Biden is going to run against is Christianity. | ||
| Running against Christianity. | ||
| He's already put people in prison for praying, so it's not a stretch. | ||
| But of course, you're not going to say, I'm running against Christianity, the world's largest religion. | ||
| You're going to say, I'm running against something called Christian nationalism, which was a way of making traditional Christianity seem like a threat to the country rather than the principle upon which it was founded. | ||
| So that is their plan. | ||
| They can run against something called Christian nationalism. | ||
| And in this, they have the full cooperation of Hollywood and the media outlets, which are whipping up the population. | ||
| Well, most of us, even those of us who pay some attention, aren't really sure what Christian nationalism is. | ||
| Is it a product of what it sounds like, which is some branding meeting in the basement of the DNC designed to make Christians seem really scary if they believe in God? | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| We decided we would ask the person most closely identified with that phrase, Christian nationalism. | ||
| He's one of the rare American Christian pastors. | ||
| Who is willing to engage on questions of culture and politics. | ||
| And for that, he has taken a lot of grief, but we are honored to have him. | ||
| His name is Doug Wilson. | ||
| He's the pastor at Christ Church in Moscow, Idaho. | ||
| He's the author of several books, including a book called Mere Christendom, The Case for Bringing Christianity Back into Modern Culture. | ||
| And Pastor Wilson joins us now. | ||
| Pastor, thank you very much. | ||
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It's an honor to be here. | |
| Thank you. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| So I was not opposed. | ||
| I'm sincerely confused by the phrase Christian nationalism, which seems like an attack on Christianity to me. | ||
| What is it to the extent you understand it? | ||
| And are you a Christian nationalist? | ||
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So I'm willing to be a Christian nationalist because I prefer that. | |
| What do you usually get called? | ||
| White supremacist. | ||
| White supremacist? | ||
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Slave advocate. | |
| Oh. | ||
| Racist. | ||
| You know, all the theofascist. | ||
| So the left really does hate Christianity. | ||
| Yes. | ||
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And with the phrase Christian nationalism, even the part of it that's coming from the left trying to wrap that around our necks, that's something I think I can explain. | |
| I can say, yeah, yes, but. | ||
| And then explain inside of two minutes. | ||
| May I just ask before you, and thank you for doing that, and I will listen rapidly because I really want to know. | ||
| But just to clarify the terms, is that a phrase that you or people with your beliefs came up with, or was that a phrase that was leveled against you? | ||
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Well, both. | |
| Canon Press... | ||
| Located in Moscow, Idaho, has a streaming service called Canon Plus. | ||
| Canon Press published The Case for Christian Nationalism by Stephen Wolf. | ||
| So that was our embrace of the term, okay? | ||
| And Stephen Wolf wrote a defense, a scholarly defense of the whole thing, the history of the whole thing. | ||
| So we embraced it to that extent. | ||
| But then on MSNBC just a few weeks ago... | ||
| There was one of the talking heads there that said, anybody who believes that rights come from God and not from Congress and not from the Supreme Court is a Christian nationalist. | ||
| So anybody who, you know, making Thomas Jefferson a Christian nationalist, endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights. | ||
| So anybody who believes that, according to the left, is a Christian nationalist. | ||
| And there is a developed... | ||
| There's a set of arguments in defense of that phrase that can be, I think, pointed out in short order. | ||
| Trying to defend other things they call you is like putting lipstick on a pig. | ||
| It's not going to be any good. | ||
| But this is something that people can say, oh, I love my nation, and I'm a Christian. | ||
| Why can't these? | ||
| Well, that's how I feel about it. | ||
| I don't know what it is. | ||
| So how would you define it? | ||
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So it's, I think, very simple. | |
| If there is no God above the society, if there is no God above the state, take God away. | ||
| Yes. | ||
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The state is God. | |
| Yes. | ||
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Okay? | |
| If there is no God above the state, the state is God. | ||
| The state becomes God. | ||
| And it assumes the prerogatives of deity. | ||
| You know, cameras at every intersection. | ||
| Aping omniscience, omnipresence, big brothers watching you. | ||
| Control of your mind. | ||
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Control of your mind. | |
| They want to control absolutely everything. | ||
| Every keystroke, they want to control everything because they're aspiring to deity. | ||
| The reason they're aspiring to deity is because they don't recognize any God above them. | ||
| Our current rulers don't believe in God, but they do believe in the devil. | ||
| And their belief in the devil is why they want to ascend the sides of the north. | ||
| They want to be as the most high. | ||
| That was the initial temptation in the garden. | ||
| You shall be as God. | ||
| Yes. | ||
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Okay. | |
| So our current rulers are very ambitious and they want to aspire to that height. | ||
| We don't want to resist them in the name of Christ because we don't want to launch another series of interminable religious wars. | ||
| Right. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Because we don't want the Muslims fighting with the Jews, fighting with the Christians, fighting with all of that. | ||
| All right. | ||
| So that's the most reasonable question. | ||
| When they say, which God? | ||
| And here's the answer to your question. | ||
| The Christian nationalist is the one who's willing to answer that question and speaking into the microphone. | ||
| The true God. | ||
| The living God. | ||
| The one who exists. | ||
| Yes. | ||
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Not the God on our money. | |
| How do you go back to a system based on Christian assumptions in a country that's no longer Christian? | ||
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What you do, and this is... | |
| You invite a preacher onto your show, you're going to get some preaching. | ||
| Hope so. | ||
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All right, so there's no way, there's no way to do it outside of God raising up preachers who preach a hot gospel and church planting. | |
| There's no way to do this politically. | ||
| You've got to make the country Christian again. | ||
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That's right. | |
| Basically, we're in such a mess that there is no political solution. | ||
| All right. | ||
| We're beyond hope. | ||
| There is no political solution. | ||
| The next election, however happy it might make us for 10 minutes, is not going to fix everything. | ||
| That's right. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Our disease is radical and it's spiritual. | ||
| We've got a radical leprosy. | ||
| The United States needs to repent of its sin, to use an old-fashioned term. | ||
| We need to repent of our sins, our arrogance, and turn back to God. | ||
| That's what is necessary, and we need preachers who are willing to tell them to do that, to proclaim that this is what you must do. | ||
| And they must not do it in terms of law, like thou shalt, thou shalt, thou shalt. | ||
| The law condemns, but the gospel liberates. | ||
| So the law brings in judgment. | ||
| Well, the law makes us aware the rich young ruler is made aware of his lack. | ||
| He's made aware of his sinfulness by the law. | ||
| And then you turn to Christ. | ||
| And what Christ offers is full, free forgiveness. | ||
| But forgiveness with him now in charge. | ||
| So forgiveness is not what Bonhoeffer would call cheap grace. | ||
| It is a radical death, burial, and resurrection. | ||
| Alright, so this is what the Easter season is all about. | ||
| Death, burial, and resurrection. | ||
| And the Bible tells us that when we look to Christ, we are crucified in faith. | ||
| We're crucified with Him, we're buried with Him, and we rise again from the dead with Him, and we ascend into the heavenly places with Him. | ||
| We are made participants of the virtue of Christ by virtue of His death, burial, and resurrection. | ||
| So America needs Jesus. | ||
| America doesn't need to turn over a new leaf. | ||
| America needs a new life. | ||
| Free speech is bigger than any one person or any one organization. | ||
| Societies are defined by what they will not commit. |
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