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Tucker Carlson - Ep. 68 Whatever happened to the truckers who dared to protest Justin Trudeau? Some of them are still in jail, years later. Trucker Gord Magill explains how darkness has descended on Canada.
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tucker carlson
We're going to Canada.
Make some attempt to liberate it.
Non-violently.
gord magill
Yes.
tucker carlson
It deserves to live in freedom and peace and not in rapid, disgusting decline.
What kind of reception do you think we'll get in Canada?
gord magill
There are people who really do desire the truth and understand what's at stake.
tucker carlson
But if we show up and announce we're here to liberate Canada.
What do you think will happen?
gord magill
Well, their hair is going to start on fire and they're going to freak out.
tucker carlson
Justin Trudeau is such a metrosexual buffoon, always dressing up on little costumes, that it's almost impossible, or it was almost impossible, to think of him as an authoritarian dictator.
You can't take him seriously enough to be afraid of him.
But then you probably don't live in Canada.
But all of that began to change two winters ago.
This was the height of the COVID lockdowns, and Canada had some most restrictive COVID regulations in the world.
Among them was a vax mandate.
The people who told you it was your body, your choice, didn't believe that at all.
All of a sudden, they told you, you must take the shot or you can't participate in life.
You can't go anywhere.
You can't work.
Well, there is at least one group of Canadians with testosterone levels sufficient to question.
An order like that.
And they turned out to be long-haul truckers.
And they descended on Canadian cities in January of 2022 to make their voices heard, as they say on the news.
To make their voices heard.
But they were not greeted in the way that other groups who want to make their voices heard are greeted as heroes.
No.
They were greeted with derision in the Canadian media, which effectively is an arm of the Trudeau administration, and by our media, which is effectively an arm of the Democratic Party.
Almost nobody took their side.
But what's interesting is how reasonable their demands were.
Listen to us.
Hey, Canada, maybe forcing people to take an untested medicine is not a good idea.
They didn't threaten violence.
They weren't violent.
They were the core of the Canadian middle class, which is almost extinct at this point.
But what was so telling, and should really have been foreshadowing of what came later, was Justin Trudeau's reaction to the Canadian truckers, to the trucker convoy.
He refused to speak to them.
Here he's explaining why.
unidentified
Is there a reason that you can give as to why you will not discuss or have any negotiations with this particular group?
justin trudeau
I have attended protests and rallies in the past when I agreed with the goals, when I supported the people expressing their concerns and their issues.
Black Lives Matter is an excellent example of that.
But I have also chosen to not go anywhere near protests that have expressed hateful rhetoric.
Violence towards fellow citizens and a disrespect not just of science but of the frontline health workers and quite frankly the 90% of truckers who have been doing the right thing to keep Canadians safe to put food on our tables.
Canadians know where I stand.
This is a moment for responsible leaders to think carefully about where they stand and who they stand with.
tucker carlson
People who are paying close attention learned a lot from that clip.
First, here is a guy, Justin Trudeau, who will say literally anything.
He will say the opposite of what is true with a smile on his face.
His heart rate won't rise a bit.
He's a sociopath.
Here is also a person who has no regard, in fact, contempt for democracy.
This is the elected leader of a so-called democracy who refuses to even listen to criticism of his policies.
So, in fact, he's not a Democratic leader.
He's an authoritarian.
And that became very clear shortly after that was shot.
At least four Canadian truckers went to jail.
Now, what did they go to jail for?
What did they do exactly?
Well, to this day, no one can really say.
And they're still in jail.
Watch the Canadian media's description of that specific case.
And as you listen to what we're about to show you, ask yourself, did they...
Tell me anything real, or was every single word a lie spoken at the behest of the ruling party of Canada?
This is State Media Exhibit A. Watch this.
unidentified
According to newly unsealed court documents, RCMP believe four men accused of plotting to kill Mounties at the Cooch border blockade were being given orders by an outside leadership group.
The names of the people in that group have been redacted from the report as they are part of an active investigation.
The newly released records involve transcriptions of phone calls between the four charged with conspiracy to commit murder, Anthony Olenek, Chris Lysak, Jerry Morin and Chris Carbert, and the unidentified leadership group.
The documents state the leadership wanted more than just vaccine mandates lifted, but also the elimination of the professional political class.
It also alleges Olenek, Lysak, Morin and Carbert trained for months and stockpiled firearms at Olenek's property near Claresholm while taking orders from an unidentified group.
The documents reveal in February Mounties seized more than 36,000 rounds of ammunition, two pipe bombs, gas masks, camouflage and tactical gear from the property.
Other intercepted calls from the four men's cell phones refer to more potential weapons coming from a second stockpile in Nantan, as well as a growing tension between those protesting in Coutts and the leadership group.
In February, Olenek, Lysak, Morin, Carbert and nine others were arrested after RCMP uncovered a cache of weapons in Coutts.
Olenek is also charged with making and possessing an explosive device and Lysak faces a charge of uttering threats.
tucker carlson
So parse what you just heard carefully, Giddy.
Again, that's state media in Canada.
So here are four guys, working-class guys, live in rural areas, and they've got a firearm stockpile!
Right.
They probably don't have a lot more between the four of them than your average farmer does in the state of Nebraska or the state of Maine or the state of Oregon or anywhere else far from a big city.
They're hunters, and so they have guns.
Now, the pipe bomb is a very specific question.
What's a pipe bomb?
We don't know, and neither does the media organization reporting it.
But critically, they don't tell you anything about this outside group that's supposedly coordinating them.
The point of that news report was not to inform you, but to scare the crap out of you and make those four people who are now in jail seem like scary threats to Canada.
Mission accomplished.
So what you have in a country like Canada, where you have an authoritarian government that's taken away civil liberties, a dying middle class, and no media, Is you have almost nobody pushing back against the lies.
There is maybe one news organization left in Canada that does, that asks very simple questions of the people who run the country.
Why are you doing this?
Can you answer the question?
That's Rebel News.
Watch one of their reporters try to ask Krista Freeland, who's the finance minister of Canada, spent many years in Washington, D.C., known to many people who lived in D.C. as a kind of low-IQ functionary.
She now has power, and she does not want to answer any questions from the one independent media organization remaining in Canada.
Watch what happens when a reporter tries to get her to answer the question.
unidentified
Mr. Freeland, how come the IRDC is not a terrorist group?
Why is your government supporting Islam on the national media?
What are you doing?
You're under arrest for assault.
You're under arrest for assault.
Police.
tucker carlson
Police.
unidentified
You're under arrest for assault.
How am I under arrest?
You bumped into me.
You pushed into me.
I was just scrubbing.
I've got my credentials here and you just bumped into me.
Can I have the microphone?
Can you give me...
gord magill
Take your hand out.
Why am I on the ground?
I'm just doing my...
This is your Canada now, folks.
unidentified
You know, this is the Gestapo taking Blackface's orders.
tucker carlson
So Canada has descended to an extremely dark place, and there are a lot of threads to the story.
We're going to Canada very soon to see it for ourselves.
But before we go, we thought we would speak to Gord McGill, who knows a lot about this.
He is a Canadian and a trucker.
He was not, strictly speaking, part of the Freedom Convoy two winters ago, but he was there.
And for a lot of Americans, he was the main way that we knew what was happening because he recorded it and put it out on social media.
He joins us now.
Gordon Gill, thanks so much.
gord magill
Thank you for having me, Mr. Carlson.
Pleasure to meet you.
tucker carlson
It's great to meet you.
So it's funny that Canada, second largest country in the world, bigger than the United States, deeper natural resources than the United States, our biggest trading partner.
Canada is a big deal to the U.S. in a lot of ways.
gord magill
We've been good neighbors for the most part.
tucker carlson
I would say.
Haven't tried to invade or anything like that.
gord magill
Although I think we need an invasion north.
tucker carlson
I think we can get that done.
The average American knows nothing about what's going on in Canada, and our understanding of Canada is ruled by cliches that developed 40 years ago.
We think of it as a passive, ultra-nice country where, you know, no one gets arrested.
gord magill
I would submit to you that the Canadian media returns that in kind because they've been operating on cliches about Americans since forever.
tucker carlson
I think that's right, and there's a lot going on there.
But it's a little bit shocking, I think, to most Americans to see how authoritarian Canada has become.
Truly a place where you can't ask a question and be arrested for assault.
Are you shocked?
gord magill
That particular incident with Mr. Menzies, I mean, I want to say it's shocking, but at this point, you know, the Freedom Convoy in Ottawa was crushed in much the same way.
RCMP smashing the windows of trucks, beating up peaceful protesters.
I'm not really surprised that they did this to Mr. Menzies.
tucker carlson
It's horrifying.
But again, you wouldn't be surprised since you've been following it for more than two years now.
So tell us, let's go right to that clip that we played from state media in Canada about the four incredibly dangerous people who are still languishing in prison.
gord magill
Right, yes.
tucker carlson
Tell us who they are.
gord magill
So, colloquially known as the Coutts Four, Jerry Moran, Chris Lysak, Chris Carbert, and Tony Olianek are a group of protesters who are at the...
Coutts Freedom Convoy site.
tucker carlson
Where is Coutts?
gord magill
It's on the border with Alberta and Montana, sort of where Interstate 15 ends.
tucker carlson
Yep.
gord magill
Take the highway north to Calgary and other points.
And they were there exercising their rights to object to government policies.
And due to very powerful forces, they've been caught up in...
Railroaded, really, by the government and sort of used as pawns because after the Freedom Convoy ended, was crushed by Trudeau and the government, there was an inquest into that called the Public Order Emergency Commission.
Which the Justice Rouleau, in his conclusion about the question of whether or not Justin Trudeau was justified in imposing the Emergencies Act, he was, I can't remember the exact word, but he was a little bit reluctant.
He was sort of like reluctantly agreed that Trudeau was within his rights.
and most of that hinges on this case in Cootes, which once you investigate it, isn't much of a case at all.
And so these four regular working class dudes who are at the protest site have now been imprisoned for almost two years.
They were denied bail.
They're kept in what's called remand because they haven't been convicted of anything They haven't faced trial yet, so they don't get the rights afforded convicted prisoners, and so they've been subject to long stints of Oh, man.
tucker carlson
Solitary confinement.
gord magill
Solitary confinement and denial of certain medical care.
There's been some drama around that.
Tony Olianek has got problems with his guts.
He was denied medication that he needed.
Chris Lysak is a big, huge bear of a man.
He's 6'5", has size 15 feet.
They still haven't given him proper shoes to wear while he's in jail.
He's, like, walking around in Crocs all the time.
He also has problems because he's so big he needs an extra mattress.
They've treated these guys like crap.
tucker carlson
I'll just say, there's no media in the world I have more contempt for than the Canadian media.
They literally work for the government.
They are state media.
gord magill
Yeah, they're financed to the hilt.
In 2019, the Trudeau regime gave them $595 million to bail them out because they're losing money, in part because a lot of people know they're liars and aren't interested in what they have to sell.
And there's been top-ups to that, and I think I was looking it up.
There's somewhere north of $700 million in subsidies from Justin Trudeau.
tucker carlson
Right.
So he owns the media.
He uses your tax dollars to pay for flattering coverage of himself.
gord magill
Right, and that's not even counting the CBC. That's a whole other $1.7 billion.
tucker carlson
And to eliminate all coverage of his MISTIs.
But I just want to get to something that we played in that clip.
They were accused of taking orders from a secretive outside group, and Canadian media wouldn't tell us because it was, quote, redacted, what this group is.
Has anyone ever explained who these guys were supposedly working for?
gord magill
Well, there's been some...
tucker carlson
The Russians, I assume?
gord magill
Yeah, there was one CBC reporter who accused the Freedom Convoy of taking money from Putin.
Of course, that was ridiculous.
One of the items there they were talking about, it was actually a telegram group that's run by one guy.
Who's just a random dude that espouses his opinion, and the government is claiming this one random guy of the Telegram group to be some criminal mastermind.
Interestingly enough, that guy hasn't been apprehended, arrested, or charged with anything.
And the media have also tried to conflate the Coots guys with a podcaster in Canada named Jeremy McKenzie, and his meme country he created in his mind called Diagon.
And there's a social justice activist group in Canada called the Canadian Anti-Hate Network who are also paid by Trudeau.
And they claim that Diaglon are like an ethno-nationalist threat and they're armed to the hilt and they're going to take over the government.
And investigations showed that Diaglon doesn't exist.
And Jeremy McKenzie is just a guy sitting in his house in Nova Scotia with some fans.
And they tried to turn this into a thing.
There was documents released showing that what the Canadian Anti-Hate Network had said was totally false, and the media hasn't discussed that at all.
tucker carlson
So you've got four, at least four, I think many more, but you've got these four political prisoners rotting in prison, no bail, no trial, for two years.
Has the Canadian media said anything about this other than to accuse them of being controlled by people?
gord magill
So at the beginning, the media repeated...
These allegations from the RCMP and the Crown, the defense sought a publication ban because it was apparent immediately that the media was trying to railroad these guys.
So the media, what they've done now is they're hiding behind that publication ban, but the publication ban is very specific on information to obtain and these...
Unproven allegations by the RCMP and the Crown.
You can still ask questions about the case, right?
Like, why have these guys been denied bail?
What are the connections, the political connections to the invocation of the Emergency Act and the resulting Public Order Emergency Commission ruling?
There's all kinds of questions you can still ask about this case that are not subject to the bans and there's been nothing.
tucker carlson
So do Canadians understand what's happening?
Do they care, do you think?
gord magill
A small number of us do, but we are not the people represented in the media.
tucker carlson
How do Canadians get—I mean, your media blockade is North Korean.
I mean, it's hard to get information in Canada.
How do people get news about what's actually happening?
gord magill
Well, they have to read—you know, I've written on this case in Newsweek.
They have to go to American media or other parts of the world because, you know, there are some people in Canada trying.
Like, you know, I'm Canadian.
I write on Substack.
You know, people who've been podcasting about it.
tucker carlson
I should say you're living in exile.
gord magill
Yeah, I live in upstate New York now.
tucker carlson
That's correct.
gord magill
Yeah, I escaped the gulag.
Yep.
But yeah, so if people back home want to find out about this, there's only a small number of people discussing it, and most of them aren't in the country.
tucker carlson
I assume that Trudeau, like all authoritarians, like Joe Biden, is making an example of the Coutts Four to discourage future protests.
That's what Biden did with January 6th.
Right.
Arrest all these people.
People are afraid.
We haven't had mass protests about anything since January 6th because people know that the FBI will put them in prison.
Do you think that's why he did that?
gord magill
I think that's why he did that.
And then over and above the Coots 4 guys, there's a number of other people who are continuing to be punished.
Chris Barber and Tamara Leach, who are the sort of the faces of the Ottawa convoy.
They were charged with mischief and intimidation and counseling mischief and all these silly, ridiculous charges, and their court cases are still ongoing.
A number of people who were involved in Ottawa, just showing up and protesting and taking part in it, making their voices heard, as you said, were also charged with mischief and various other offenses.
Some of those people, the...
They had their cases dropped or they were acquitted because there was nothing to it.
And now the Crown is appealing those acquittals and they're trying to drag regular people who've already been through their court case and had it acquitted and they're bringing them back and charging them again.
He's vindictive, man.
Like, he can't not be wrong.
He can't not admit that the largest peaceful protest in Canadian history was just that.
It has to be something else.
To satisfy his proclivities towards totalitarianism.
tucker carlson
Yeah, well not even proclivities, just the totalitarianism he's imposing on the country.
Have there been mass protests since the trucker convoy?
gord magill
Not that I'm aware of.
tucker carlson
See?
So it works.
gord magill
It does, unfortunately.
And the media, as you say, have a role to play in this because they are basically not discussing the fact that we have a...
A situation almost akin to Guantanamo Bay with four of our own citizens.
Something many Americans might not know about.
There was a young kid named Omar Cotter.
He was born in Canada, but I think his father was from Egypt or somewhere else.
And Cotter Sr. was...
A supporter of the Taliban.
And after September 11th, Cotter Sr. and his boy went to Afghanistan.
Omar Cotter was involved in a firefight with American troops.
A medic was killed.
Cotter was picked up, taken to, I can't remember if it was Kabul or Kandahar, and then sent to Guantanamo Bay, but the only person at Guantanamo with a Canadian passport.
Regardless of that case, or what anybody thinks about Omar Cotter, The Canadian media did not shut up about that guy for the entire time.
It was front page news, front and center.
Omar Khadr's being done dirty by being in Guantanamo Bay.
We have to get him out.
Prime Minister at the time, Stephen Harper, was heavily criticized for not doing enough to have Omar Khadr extracted from Guantanamo Bay.
Eventually he was, came back to Canada.
And then Omar Khadr and his lawyers sued the government, and under the Trudeau administration cut a check for $10.5 million.
tucker carlson
As payment for shooting an American medic?
gord magill
For being allowed to be in Guantanamo Bay for as long as he was.
But the point is that the media did everything in their power to make sure that Omar Khadr was a household name, and they haven't lifted a finger for the Coots Four.
tucker carlson
So, Canada from afar, haven't been there in a while, but it does seem like it's collapsing.
gord magill
It's not a good time.
Most expensive real estate prices in the world.
Inflation out of control.
People are finding it really difficult to afford to live.
It's almost impossible to buy a home in many of the major cities.
My sister went to go and see...
Pierre Poiliever, who's now the leader of the Conservative Party, and he was doing, before he was elected to be leader of the Conservative Party, he was doing, like, you know, the meet and greets and talking with people all across the country.
And my sister told me when she went to go meet him that the number one issue on everybody's lips, past COVID, past anything else, was real estate prices and the housing shortage.
Like, where are our children going to live?
How are they going to afford it?
What are you going to do about this?
tucker carlson
Well, one of the reasons your housing prices are so high is because there's massive foreign investment from China into your real estate markets.
gord magill
That's one of them, yep.
tucker carlson
Yep, it is.
Especially in Western Canada, in Vancouver.
So the Prime Minister could end that tomorrow.
The government of Canada could end that tomorrow.
Only Canadian citizens can buy residential real estate in Canada.
Why not do that?
gord magill
Well, you know, it's been recently revealed that the Chinese Communist Party has been involved in federal politics in Canada since at least Brian Mulroney.
And in the last two elections, like, CSIS has produced evidence that the Chinese Communist Party directly assisted the election of 19 or 20 different members of parliament.
So, you know, I don't foresee Mr. Trudeau...
Doing too much to upset his masters.
tucker carlson
Okay, well, maybe the other thing that the Canadian government could do, if you don't want to reign in China, because they're really in control, you could at least maybe slow down immigration a little bit.
I think Canada has the highest immigration rate per capita of any country in the world.
You're basically importing the entire subcontinent.
gord magill
You know, I want to, like, there's no material way to support these people, right?
Our health care, our nationally funded health care system has got major problems.
tucker carlson
When you say major problems, what do you mean?
gord magill
Like unable to deliver care to the people who already live here, right?
We don't have the housing.
The economy can't support it.
There's not enough jobs for everybody.
And we're just being told that, you know, a million immigrants a year is just fine, even though there is no material way to support or integrate.
Any of these extra people.
And it's just making all these problems worse.
tucker carlson
Has there been a national referendum on this?
Do most Canadians support this?
Hey, let's move Bangladesh to Canada.
Is there people for that?
gord magill
I would submit to you most people would not support that.
But again, no one's doing the polling and the government doesn't care.
tucker carlson
So if the government doesn't care and if it's literally changing the nature of the country forever right in front of your eyes.
And your opinion is irrelevant.
How is it a democracy?
gord magill
I would submit to you that it's not much of a democracy.
And Trudeau rules because he's got a deal with the leader of the new Democratic Party, Jagmeet Singh.
And, you know, obviously he's doing very poorly.
Polling indicates that in the next election it's quite likely that the Conservative Party is going to win.
I don't know if that's going to change anything, right?
tucker carlson
Right.
The conservatives in Canada seem very feminized to me and kind of self-hating and sad and afraid.
gord magill
Do you know who Michael Malice is?
tucker carlson
Yes.
gord magill
He has a great saying.
Conservatism is progressivism driving the speed limit.
And that applies with the Conservative Party of Canada.
tucker carlson
But what is it?
I mean, that is one thing about Canada that's remained consistent.
And I think Canada will be a completely different country in 10 years because of immigration.
So we'll reassess then.
People who are born in Canada have a reputation of being apologetic, not wanting to rock the boat, a little bit self-hating, meek.
gord magill
I don't know about self-hating, but they're definitely naval gazers.
tucker carlson
What is that?
gord magill
That's a long-running psyop.
You know, if you grow up in Canada, you have Canadian content rules on the CBC and in the rest of the media, and we're always taught to, like, think of ourselves, Yes,
tucker carlson
and it strips Canadians of their ability, with the exception of these truckers, I guess.
Their ability to say, wait a second, you can't do this to my country.
Like, there's not a lot of that in Canada.
They seem passive.
gord magill
Unfortunately, some people in Canada are passive, and then when you get people who do rise up and say, hey, enough's enough, well, this is what you get now.
The media smears you, lies about you, the government crushes your protest, and there you have it.
tucker carlson
But if you have a cross-dressing fascist like Justin Trudeau take over, and one of his first orders of business is to take your guns away, I don't think you need to be a genius to ask, like, why would you want to do that?
Canada doesn't, I mean, there's no evidence that farmers in Saskatchewan are going on murder sprees, okay?
Why would he be so intent on taking their guns away, their means of self-defense?
Did that raise any alarms for anyone in Canada that maybe this guy doesn't have the best intentions?
gord magill
It's raised a number of alarms with people who are not represented in the media and not represented in the government.
People do know about this and people are concerned.
But again, you have to go outside the country to hear about it or you have to go into alternative media.
tucker carlson
I should say, just to be totally clear and sincere, I'm one of the few Americans who actually loves Canada because I think it's so beautiful.
gord magill
I love my country too.
It is very beautiful.
tucker carlson
Yeah, it's the most beautiful.
gord magill
It's full of really good people who are not being served by their government.
tucker carlson
But the government killing thousands of Canadians a year through assisted suicide, assisted suicide, which they encourage, not for immigrants, only for native-born, that seems a pretty ominous sign.
Like, if the government is killing its own citizens, maybe they don't mean you well.
I'm just trying to connect dots here.
gord magill
Yeah, well, given the sort of collapsing health care system, this medical assistance and dying program, and they're...
Their seeming lack of concern about making any of these material conditions better by just throwing more people at the problem would belie that, no, in fact, they do not care about us at all.
tucker carlson
But does anybody, I mean, in other words, if I say I love you and then I say what I really think you should do is kill yourself and I'll help you, maybe I'm lying.
Maybe I don't love you.
I mean, I'm just, again, just throwing that out there.
Has anyone in Canada said that?
Are you allowed to say that out loud?
gord magill
I'm not 100% sure on that one, but it seems like there's less and less things we are allowed to say, if not in the letter of the law, but in what the media will allow in the discourse.
tucker carlson
Yes.
Wow, that's pretty distressing.
Do you think you'll be able to return to Canada?
And do you want to?
gord magill
I mean, you know, I've got lots of family there.
I have two daughters who...
Maybe one day when they grow up, they'd like to move back to Canada and check the place out, maybe settle there.
I don't know, but it doesn't look really good.
When the Emergencies Act was declared, I was thinking about going back to Ottawa a second time, and I actually saw it like...
Legal counsel about whether or not I would get picked up at the border because of what I was saying in Newsweek, like under the emergency...
tucker carlson
Were you calling for insurrection against Justin Trudeau?
gord magill
No, I was just simply telling the truth about what the protesters wanted and what was actually going on in the streets in Ottawa.
tucker carlson
Do you think it's weird that we have this State Department that's totally, obviously, doesn't like America, but is focused supposedly on freedoms in other countries, and we're sending half a trillion to Ukraine to liberate Ukraine?
But we have these grotesque human rights violations right across our border, and no one says anything about it from the State Department.
Does that seem weird?
gord magill
It does, and something that was revealed in these documents related to this Jeremy McKenzie fellow is that members of the Five Eyes security arrangement were basically brought into this.
Sort of wild goose chase after this guy.
And so, like, your own security services resources were wasted chasing a Canadian podcaster.
tucker carlson
And the other English-speaking...
Five Eyes refers to English-speaking intelligence services.
Canada, New Zealand, Australia.
United States.
They were assisting with this.
gord magill
They were involved with it, yeah.
It was revealed in those documents that at least New Zealand and the United States were both involved in this investigation.
tucker carlson
I'm not surprised at all.
I mean, these are not separate governments.
This is one government.
Have you ever met anyone personally who likes Justin Trudeau?
gord magill
No.
tucker carlson
You've never met, like, even just say hi.
Like, you've never met anyone who likes him.
gord magill
I mean, I'm sure there are people I know and in my life who, you know, think he's all right or maybe even voted for him.
But, like, most of my really good friends and associates dislike the man.
tucker carlson
And, I mean, dislike is the diplomatic term I will use on TV. Would they feel comfortable announcing that in Canada, the ones who still live there?
gord magill
I mean, you know, there are people who will say things about Mr. Trudeau.
I mean, it's...
You are taking a risk, you know?
Like, I had the RCMP call me once for sending mean tweets at Prime Minister Trudeau.
tucker carlson
What'd they say?
The Royal Canadian Mounted Police.
gord magill
Yes, there's an organization, a sub-organization within the RCMP called the Protective Investigations Unit.
tucker carlson
Oh, they sound like fun.
gord magill
Yeah, they're sort of akin to the Secret Service.
And there's like another group within them who monitor online...
tucker carlson
Hate.
Hate!
gord magill
Yeah.
tucker carlson
Hate, Gord!
gord magill
I guess they didn't like me making fun of the Prime Minister.
tucker carlson
What were you saying?
gord magill
Nothing.
I was just posting memes at them.
tucker carlson
Oh, but the memes were dangerous, so the feds called you.
gord magill
Who's this fellow in Florida that was arrested and charged and went to court for making memes by Hillary Clinton?
tucker carlson
Oh, we interviewed him.
Yes, he's facing prison time for that.
Yeah, making fun of Hillary Clinton, not allowed.
But what, I mean, I do think it's fair to say America's obviously becoming a police state, pretty clear.
But Canada's farther along down that path.
It's smaller.
There's less resistance.
There's no media at all independent.
So it's a captive nation.
What can Americans do to help our cousins north of the border?
gord magill
I'm just understanding that most of the Canadian media are corporate welfare cases and that you're never going to get the truth out of them, much like a lot of the media here.
Stay awake to that.
If they wanted to, they could help the Coutts 4 guys.
We have a new Give, Send, Go set up for them, simply called Trudeau's Political Prisoners, because they have the full weight of the state against them, and they've had trouble getting decent and competent legal representation because, you know, being a lawyer or a judge in Canada means in some way you're connected to the Liberal Party, right?
right?
Like 76% of judges in Canada are donors to and members of the liberal party.
So it's very difficult to like fight this in court.
And so if Americans want to help, like we could really use some money to get these guys have decent lawyers.
tucker carlson
It's a, I mean, it's a one party state at this point, posing as a parliamentary democracy.
gord magill
Uh, Correct, yeah.
We have a similar uniparty problem where the NDP and the liberals work together and help each other out in order to stay in power, and the conservatives lie down and take it.
tucker carlson
Does that sound familiar?
So I guess what you're saying, everything in Canada is a pale imitation of the United States.
gord magill
Yeah, it's much more fake and pale, yes.
tucker carlson
Is there hope?
gord magill
Oh man, that's a good question.
I don't know if there's any political hope to this.
Obviously, Western civilization is kind of in some...
Very rough times at the moment and going through something of a crisis of meaning.
And I don't know if there's any political solutions to this.
People need to start looking into themselves.
tucker carlson
I agree with that.
And speaking of that, and I'm not saying that the Canadian government's under demonic control, but hundreds of churches were burned, have been burned.
Hundreds.
gord magill
Right.
tucker carlson
Churches.
gord magill
Yes.
tucker carlson
Under Justin Trudeau, he's done nothing.
He approves of it.
gord magill
Not very much was done about it.
Well, you know what his associates in the NDP are doing?
They have proposed legislation to make the discussion of those church burnings and the residential school program illegal.
You either accept the government's narrative about the residential schools program, which led to all these church burnings, or you're going to go to jail.
They're going to make it akin to Holocaust denial to actually...
Question the residential schools.
tucker carlson
First of all, any historical event can be questioned legitimately, any event, and reassessed in light of new evidence, existing evidence reinterpreted.
I mean, that is history.
gord magill
Correct.
tucker carlson
So anybody who criminalizes or uses force to discourage an assessment of any historical event is acting on behalf of evil and deception, of course, by definition.
So, like, we know that.
gord magill
Right.
Yeah, the NDP are evil.
I have no time for those guys.
They used to be a pro-worker party, but now they're mostly sort of woke, and they represent government employees, and that's about it.
tucker carlson
Last question.
We're going to Canada, trying to make some attempt to liberate it.
gord magill
Good luck.
tucker carlson
Non-violently.
gord magill
Yes.
tucker carlson
But I think there are a lot of decent Canadians, and again, it's one of the most beautiful places in the world.
To live in freedom and peace and not in rapid, disgusting decline.
What kind of reception do you think we'll get in Canada?
gord magill
I think when you go to these events in Calgary and Edmonton, you're going to have very large crowds because you do have fans in Canada.
There are people who really do desire the truth and understand what's at stake.
So I think you're going to have some pretty big crowds.
tucker carlson
But if we show up and announce we're here to liberate Canada, what do you think will happen?
gord magill
Well, given that it's Alberta, you'll get a good reception from the locals.
The rest of the country, of course, you know, their hair is going to start on fire and they're going to freak out.
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Good.
tucker carlson
Mission accomplished.
No, the real mission is liberating the great nation of Canada from itself.
gord magill
Right.
And, you know, I think, like, a joint operation between the South Dakota National Guard and the New Hampshire and Maine National Guards maybe could probably do it, given, like, Canada's military is also in a shambles.
So, yeah, bring it on.
tucker carlson
I don't think it would require three state National Guards to liberate Canada by force.
But who knows?
You know, it's going to be a dynamic year.
Corey Miguel, thank you so much for spending this time with us.
gord magill
Thank you for having me.
tucker carlson
Great to meet you.
gord magill
Appreciate it.
tucker carlson
Thank you.
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