Nov. 17, 2023 - The Tucker Carlson Show
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| Spain is a relatively small country in Western Europe, but what happens here tends to act as a preview for what's about to happen in the rest of the West. | ||
| So when, a couple of weeks ago, the founder of the populist Vox Party was shot in the face here in Spain, we paid attention. | ||
| The shooting came at exactly the moment when the left in Spain is trying to take over the country extralegally, pardoning. | ||
| Terrorists, offering amnesty to terrorists against the Constitution in order to take complete control. | ||
| Something very much like this happened in the last century, in the 1930s, and tens of thousands of people, mostly Christians, were slaughtered in the aftermath, shot in the head, buried alive. | ||
| It was the beginning of the Spanish Civil War. | ||
| So we thought it'd be worth coming to Spain to see what's happening here. | ||
| We went to a protest, and we spent a great deal of time with the leader of the Vox Party. | ||
| Santiago Abascal. | ||
| You're about to hear from him. | ||
| Our assessment was pretty simple. | ||
| He's honest, he's principled, and above all, he's completely unafraid. | ||
| Here he is. | ||
| Santiago, thank you for having us in Madrid. | ||
| Spain is obviously inflamed politically right now. | ||
| A lot of the world is not paying attention. | ||
| What do you think is at stake for the West in what's happening here right now? | ||
| I think it would be good that the rest of the world understand that Spain, for a long time, has been a field of extremism, of extreme climate agendas, of género tremendously radicals, since the year 2004. Además, Spain is the port of the Islamization of Europe, for its geographical position, and for being one of the main victims of the mass immigration. | ||
| And I think we should not forget the importance of the connection of Spain with all Iberoamérica, with Hispanoamérica, because the influence of Spain has been very big, not so big, but Spain can be the front of the anarcho-communism or the front of the anarcho-communism. | ||
| We should take into account that Spain is the only country in Europe in which there are communist ministers in the government, and I think that is something that should be understood, should be seen with concern. | ||
| Explain, if you would, to those who are not following Spanish politics, how you believe the current left government and power is trying to end democracy in Spain. | ||
| How is that happening, do you think? | ||
| Well, the government has been, well, the government has been, well, the government has been, but we have voted in a normal legislature for a government to make other policies. | ||
| However, this government has initiated a constitution. | ||
| It has put on the table a law of amnesty for the peores crimes committed by public representatives. | ||
| It has been a lot of crimes, crimes against the constitution, crimes against the national unity. | ||
| And, in fact, Pedro Sánchez is a politician who is amnestying other politicians to keep their votes in power. | ||
| It's a political that is pardoning the debt to a region to obtain the vote of the representatives of that region and to keep it in power. | ||
| It's the biggest corruption that can cause a political political, but also is starting a constitutional process. | ||
| The law of amnistia does not fit in our constitution. | ||
| It has put in war absolutely all the judicial sectors, all the judicial associations, independent of its ideological orientation, which has spoken in the most prominent terms. | ||
| Today in Spain, the judges, the government of the judges and the judicial associations are talking about the beginning of the democracy, the abolition of the state of the right and the brutal attack on the separation of powers. | ||
| Never had that happened during our entire democracy, and that's why we say that the investment of Pedro Sánchez is a coup to the Constitution and a coup to the nation, and that, therefore, we're going to face, if he can be named president, a legal legislature, illegal, not just illegitimate, because Pedro Sánchez was already chosen for four years lying to the Spanish on his pact. | ||
| In this case, it is much more serious, not only he has lied to them, but directly the government walks the path of the most absolute illegality. | ||
| So, his case is that allies of the left don't have to follow the law. | ||
| the rule of law does not apply to his political allies on the left. | ||
| Exactamente de eso le hemos acusado. | ||
| Le hemos dicho que el mensaje que lanza a todos los españoles es que la ley ya no obliga a nadie. | ||
| Porque si la ley no obliga a sus socios y a sus cómplices de investidura, ¿por qué nos tiene que obligar a los demás? | ||
| ¿Por qué nos dicen que tenemos que convocar manifestaciones con todos los papeles? | ||
| ¿Por qué hay que cumplir con los trámites administrativos? | ||
| ¿Por qué los españoles tienen que pagar impuestos? | ||
| ¿Por qué los españoles tienen que pagar las multas? | ||
| ¿Por qué los españoles tienen que aceptar las condenas de los tribunales si los cómplices de la investidura de Sánchez van a ser indultados? | ||
| ¿Si los delitos gravísimos cometidos por políticos durante un periodo de cinco años van a ser completamente indultados? | ||
| They're going to say that there was no crime, that they did nothing wrong. | ||
| I think it can't happen anything more serious. | ||
| It's a very dangerous message to society. | ||
| And it's going to be dangerous for the Spanish people. | ||
| Why do we accept the legitimacy of the institutions governed by the left if the left does not respect the laws? | ||
| The left has laws of gender extremist, they have made a law of consenting sexual called the CSE, but that only affects them. | ||
| When recently the son of a very known magistrate of izquierdas, inmediatamente he has put on the street. | ||
| There are people who walk in the car for days after denunciations of this nature. | ||
| The same with the political crimes. | ||
| Now they're detained a lot of people who are in manifestations that don't have permission and they're imposing administrative charges. | ||
| And, however, they're pardoning very serious crimes. | ||
| They're more serious than the politicians who steal the public money. | ||
| Because steal the public money and take it home is very bad. | ||
| But steal the public money and use it to break the Constitution and the convivens is much more serious. | ||
| And that's what happened in Catalonia with the separatist leaders who attempted a coup of state in the year 2017. The problem is that the coup of state of 2017, committed by the separatism and paralyzed by the Spanish society, by the act of the rey and the tribunals, Now that coup has been moved to the Palace of Moncloa and has the support of Pedro Sánchez, who is willing to keep him in power. | ||
| He has no scrupulous, no principle, he does not believe in anyone, or in anything, he is able to sell even his mother. | ||
| So one side has to follow the letter of the law or you go to jail. | ||
| The other side can do whatever it wants. | ||
| So there's no more rule of law in Spain as you're describing it. | ||
| What can you do about that? | ||
| Well, really, we're facing a situation very complicated because we don't know what can happen. | ||
| We're trying to do everything. | ||
| We're supporting all the social movements that have been sustained and permanent during a long time and absolutely multitudinaries during this week. | ||
| We're going to do opposition parliamentary. | ||
| We've come to the tribunals. | ||
| Today, after this interview, I am going to present a Supreme Court against the President of the Government for negotiating with what is not the law that is the Constitution and the debt that have the region. | ||
| We will try everything. | ||
| But we know that we face a dangerous legislature and that only has possible election, which is that the tyranny will sit in the bar of the accused or that the opposition will be in prison. | ||
| That is the reality. | ||
| And that is what we are trying to explain to our people. | ||
| We are trying to make sure that the Spanish people are facing what we are facing. | ||
| And we believe that the majority of the Spanish people already know what is the danger that is Pedro Sánchez. | ||
| But they have to know what we will have to live during this legislature, in which we have to use all the weapons legitimate to prevent the consolidation of this government. | ||
| with When you say the opposition will wind up in jail, you're the leader of the opposition. | ||
| Are you ready to go to jail for this? | ||
| I am absolutely willing to do everything. | ||
| I represent a political force of Spanish who love their own country and their own freedom above all. | ||
| And I'm not the only person who is willing to do everything. | ||
| Because Spain is still a nation united and the Spanish people see our freedoms safeguarded and equality against the guaranteed law. | ||
| I think that our children, the future they have, deserve absolutely all our contribution. | ||
| Who are your allies in this? | ||
| Has the US State Department, which has as its mission spreading democracy around the world, taken your side in your effort to preserve democracy? | ||
| Have other nations spoken up on your behalf? | ||
| Well, during these days it's true that the international interlocution has not been our priority. | ||
| That's why this interview is so important for us. | ||
| We've been very focused on the internal response, but we believe that this conversation serves so that many people, throughout the world, understand what is the danger that is facing Spain, and that it is a danger that no only affects the Spanish people, because the cancer that begins to introduce in the Spanish politics... | ||
| It can end up affecting the rest of the European nations. | ||
| When the institutions are degraded, that can be contagious. | ||
| We've seen it in Hispanoamérica. | ||
| How the nations have gone, one after another, in the hands of narco-communist governments. | ||
| That can happen perfectly in Europe. | ||
| In Spain, we are the only government with communist ministers. | ||
| This is an anomaly. | ||
| But it's not understandable that if the European Union doesn't react, it doesn't do anything, it doesn't give importance, this can happen in other places. | ||
| In fact, it's very scandalous that the bureaucrats of the European Union don't have acted with contundence, considering that they have brutally persecuted Hungary and Poland, saying that in Hungary and Poland the right state was in danger or there was no division of powers, when it was a complete fall. | ||
| In Hungary and Poland only happened that there were two governments that defended their borders against the mass immigration. | ||
| And that they defend the right of the parents to educate their children according to their convictions. | ||
| And that has been what the bureaucrats of the European Union have pursued. | ||
| So, really, we see with concern and suspicion, until that point, the ideologization of the European Union makes that now look for another side, in a situation... | ||
| It's not as serious as the of Spain, but we hope to have allies like we've had during this whole time. | ||
| Vox has had important alliances in Europe, not only the first ministers húngaro and polaco, but also the first minister italian, Giorgia Meloni. | ||
| We've received the support of many leaders ibero-american leaders, even the president Trump. | ||
| Vox is a party with great international connections because we are aware that, although we defend our own country, We are defending the same way that many citizens around the world face to the globalism and the feeling of losing control over their future completely. | ||
| What the middle classes are living in the West is not only in Spain, but in North America, in Europe. | ||
| I think we face common enemies and we must be able to do what they do, to look at the differences. | ||
| The communists, socialists, look over the differences and join us in the Puebla Group, in the Foro of Sao Paulo. | ||
| And on the other hand, there are little challenges, little confrontations. | ||
| I think that all of us who see clearly the problem of what it represents, on the one hand, the narco-comunism, on the other hand, the wokeism or the globalism, and the impositions to all the media classes, we must find the formula to collaborate and work together in the whole world. | ||
| One of the things that Spain has in common with other Western countries that are becoming less democratic is the involvement of George Soros, who's a major player in Spanish politics. | ||
| Why would George Soros, who is not Spanish, has no connection to Spain that I'm aware of, be involved to the degree that he is in Spanish politics? | ||
| George Soros was the first person to meet with the newly elected left-wing Spanish president. | ||
| George Soros. | ||
| These are the news that were published in Spain and that the government has never understood. | ||
| When I asked the president of the government, Pedro Sánchez, about that meeting, he never answered in the parliament. | ||
| Never answered. | ||
| Clearly, they admire the characters of that nature. | ||
| It's curious that alliance between the left and the extreme left and the globalists multimillionaires. | ||
| It's really a curious alliance, that left that before was manifested as anti-globalization and that today has been allied with all those multimillionaires who want to manage the world and who have to tell us how we have to live while they live in the body of king. | ||
| One of the things that Soros has pushed here, as in the rest of Europe and the rest of the West, is mass immigration from the third world into your country. | ||
| Does that have the support of the Spanish people? | ||
| Does the average Spaniard want millions of North Africans living here? | ||
| No, absolutely. | ||
| The vast majority of the Spaniards vote what they vote. | ||
| They are against mass immigration. | ||
| They want to be immediate repatriated when illegal immigration comes to our coasts. | ||
| They want to produce deportations of those who have entered illegally in our country and, of course, those who have committed crimes. | ||
| They want to retire the nationality of those who have committed crimes in Spain. | ||
| That's the majority position of the Spanish people. | ||
| We know it well. | ||
| And that position is not only the voters of Vox, but even the voters of socialists. | ||
| But there is a public discourse. | ||
| A speech from the media, from the political tribunals, and a speech from the street, and a speech from the bars. | ||
| They are totally confronted. | ||
| It's truly surprising because, as well, they dare to stigmatize their own people. | ||
| They call them xenophobic to everyone who asks for immigration to be legal and ordained. | ||
| And how do they call them? | ||
| Endophobic? | ||
| They odian their own people? | ||
| Why do they want to condemn their own people? | ||
| What are the consequences of the illegal immigration, the lack of security, the degradation of public services? | ||
| Why do they want to condemn those people to play life in the sea? | ||
| Why Soros finanza organizations like Open Arts, which is one of the ONGs that also receives public financing and is the principal responsible for the collaboration with the mafia of people's trafficking in the Mediterranean? | ||
| Why do we abandon those other countries to a large population that could be able to levant them? | ||
| Why do we condemn them to a "juego" of "hom" saying that the one who comes here legally will finally be legalized by the way, passing on our laws? | ||
| This is a gigantic and brutal contradiction that is very difficult to denounce because immediately the media machine of the left and of the globalism etiquette This | ||
| is not a judgment, it's merely an acknowledgement of mathematics, but the Spanish birth rate is far below replacement. | ||
| The Spanish are not reproducing themselves. | ||
| Your immigration rates are among the highest in the world. | ||
| In a hundred years, Spaniards will be a small minority in their own country. | ||
| Small minority. | ||
| Do you think your average person knows that? | ||
| I think that the media citizen sees it with concern. | ||
| Spain has to look at France, Sweden, Germany, where the Islamization and the social change has been produced in a brutal way. | ||
| However, there is no incentive to the demographic rise in European countries. | ||
| Yes, there is an incentive in Hungary again. | ||
| In Hungary, families who have three children, they have to pay the rent tax for the whole life. | ||
| What do they do in France and Suecia? | ||
| They give children checks. | ||
| And who have children? | ||
| Those who don't work, many times. | ||
| It's something endiabed. | ||
| We need to see the formula for a demográfico in European nations. | ||
| We want European countries. | ||
| The majority of Europeans want to preserve our identity, our roots, our way of living in freedom. | ||
| We want to preserve the equality of man and woman that some cultures and religions don't understand. | ||
| That's what we're facing. | ||
| We're not facing any kind of immigration. | ||
| We're facing a totally incompatible with our way of living. | ||
| Especially with other European nations. | ||
| It's true that Spain also receives immigration from hispanic countries, brothers, who have the same language, the same cosmology, and integration is much easier, much more natural. | ||
| I've been struck in the time we've been here by the state of free speech in Spain. | ||
| Franco was much criticized for censorship, but it seems in modern Spain you are not allowed to say certain things. | ||
| Apparently it's against the law to have certain opinions about Spanish history. | ||
| You're not allowed to criticize immigration. | ||
| How did you get to a place where a Spanish citizen can't say what he thinks? | ||
| Well, it's the wokeism brought to the extreme. | ||
| If one is opposed to certain extremism or extremism, or the gender laws, immediately it's called machista or transphobo. | ||
| If one wants to talk with liberty about his history, immediately they say that it's a fascist. | ||
| If one thinks that a national unity has to defend it, frente al separatism, they call it centralist, uniformist. | ||
| They look for civil death. | ||
| They try to approve laws with which they can condemn you by your ideas, by your convictions. | ||
| They turn in hatred the right thought, so that only the left has legitimacy. | ||
| That's what's happening. | ||
| It's an extreme thing that even in the diaries of the parliament, We eliminate some expressions that we use. | ||
| The other day, I accused the president of the government of being the most corrupt president of the history of Spain, precisely because he obtained the investiture amnestying to other politicians instead of voting for them to be in power. | ||
| It was eliminated from the Diaries of Sesiones. | ||
| When we called ourselves filoterrorists, those who in reality should we call terrorists, because they are the hereders of the terrorist band ETA and that has a parliamentary presence in the Spanish Parliament, it was eliminated from the Diaries of Sesiones. | ||
| Here are two bars to measure. | ||
| The left can say everything, the progressists can say everything, and the others have to call. | ||
| They have imposed a memory law that tries to force us to interpret the past only from the way that the left thinks. | ||
| And that's something that the españoles do not accept. | ||
| However, they have managed to approve all these laws with the support of extremist forces of communist or separatist character, who do not believe in Spain, that they do not care what happens, that they do not care about the economic and national hunding of Spain. that they do not care about the economic and national That's why they support governments like Pedro Sánchez. | ||
| I mean, Spain, and not to dig up the past, but was the site of the biggest mass slaughter of Christians in Europe less than a hundred years ago. | ||
| Thousands of clergy, priests, nuns, bishops were murdered by the left in Spain. | ||
| And those ideas still exist in Spain. | ||
| And so it's striking to me that church leaders aren't denouncing those ideas, since there was just a mass slaughter of Christian clergy in this country less than 100 years ago. | ||
| Why is the church not speaking out against these ideas? | ||
| I think that the hierarchies have always been very linked to the power, but it is true that Spain lived during the Civil War and the previous phases of the Republic, which has been idealized by the left, a brutal persecution religious that has which has been idealized by the left, a brutal persecution religious that It is one of the biggest persecution that has suffered the church and that has suffered the Christians throughout the world. | ||
| And today, precisely, it is not to say that we want to talk about these things. | ||
| We pretend that the Spanish and the communism were defending the democracy. | ||
| No, the left and the communism were defending Stalin. | ||
| The left and the communism were defending the religious freedom. | ||
| The left and the communism and the socialists were defending the freedom in all the order. | ||
| They only have ruined, death. | ||
| No more than anything in the world. | ||
| There is no place in which socialism or the communists have brought anything good in any part of the planet. | ||
| And that's what they don't want to say. | ||
| It's true that they have lost, with the collapse of Berlin, the flag of class. | ||
| Today, the workers... | ||
| They vote in America, in Europe, and in Vox, and in Spain, with forces like Vox. | ||
| So, the left has needed to find other social media and division. | ||
| It's the marxism cultural. | ||
| They have other types of elements, the gender, the climate. | ||
| One doesn't accept what they say, they odia women. | ||
| One doesn't accept the climate laws, as the climate laws that have been approved in Spain, in the Parliament, that prohibit the exploration and extraction of our natural resources. | ||
| These laws have been approved for two years in the Spanish Parliament. | ||
| If one has been opposed to these laws, it's a enemy of humanity. | ||
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They call you a woman-hater, but... | |
| But their policies have resulted, I think, in a huge increase in violent rape in your country. | ||
| Am I missing something? | ||
| No, it's absolutely true. | ||
| The violations have multiplied in Spain since the arrival of Pedro Sánchez to the power. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because they approved a law, a law that wanted to protect women and what he did was put on the street a tremendous amount of violators, 120 dangerous violators and it reduced the condenations to 1.200. | ||
| Eso es lo que han provocado. | ||
| Y además, esa llamada a la inmigración masiva ilegal procedente de determinados países, en donde no hay respeto por la mujer, también está detrás de la llegada a España y Europa de crímenes sexuales que no conocíamos, que no eran capaces de imaginar. | ||
| The group violations have multiplied in Spain. | ||
| And that with the most feminist government of history. | ||
| That with the government that has collated a woman's minister. | ||
| And that has served precisely to attract the law that has put the violators on the street. | ||
| This government is a complete lie. | ||
| This government is a traitor to its own people. | ||
| This government is presided and directed by people who do not have scrupulous, who only have an ambition of power and who are ideologically obsessed with ideology. | ||
| They do not believe they have to govern for all. | ||
| They are sectarian, extremist people and people with ambition of power. | ||
| What has always been the communism and socialism. | ||
| So historians often say that what happened in Spain in the late 1930s was a preview of what happened in the rest of Europe, in the world. | ||
| In the years after, it seems that way again. | ||
| It seems the battles that are taking place here, the ideological, political, and legal battles, are a preview of what is happening, of what will happen in the United States, in Great Britain, in France, in the entire West. | ||
| What would you say to those countries looking at Spain? | ||
| What lessons are you learning that you think people who actually care about democracy in the United States or the UK or New Zealand or Australia or Canada, what should they be learning from what's happening to you? | ||
| Well, I think it's true that Spain has that influence for the good and for the bad. | ||
| Además, Pedro Sánchez, if it were the investment, no only would be the president of the Spanish government, but today is the president of the turn of the European Union. | ||
| It's to say, the influence of what is happening in Spain can pass borders. | ||
| I think that the Spanish people, for many years, have left us for something terrible, which has been the lack of national self-esteem. | ||
| For a feeling of guilt for our history. | ||
| A feeling absurd, because Spain has had a glorious history in America. | ||
| Spain has brought to the universal history the most work that has ever been produced. | ||
| With the racial mestization, with the evangelization. | ||
| I think that Spain has nothing to be ashamed. | ||
| It has to be proud. | ||
| But there is a black legend that has made that the Spanish look very often with their own country. | ||
| And the left has forgotten the patria, has identified the patria with the right, has rejected our history completely. | ||
| The other day, during the desfile of the armed forces in Spain, I was in one of the authorities's tribunals, and there was the legion, the police, the civil guard, the military of all the bodies, the planes... | ||
| The infantry, the cavalry, no se aplaudía nada. | ||
| Hasta que pasó la agencia tributaria y entonces los que estaban detrás de nosotros, los socialistas y comunistas que estaban en las tribunas, comenzaron a aplaudir. | ||
| Para ellos la patria solo es pagar impuestos. | ||
| La bandera, el himno, les repugna. | ||
| Nuestra historia les avergüenza. | ||
| La falta de autoestima nacional, yo creo que ha sido uno de los grandes problemas de España. | ||
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Cuando no hay un proyecto, cuando no hay un orgullo, Spain did end human sacrifice in the Americas. | |
| That seems like something we're celebrating. | ||
| So, last night we went to... | ||
| Well, it would have to celebrate Hugo Chávez and all those that we see today, in their own aspect, represent the biggest apology of what Spain did. | ||
| There was a historian, Venancio Carro, who said that the actual Indian face Of course. | ||
| The empires of Latin America were based on human sacrifice. | ||
| And the Spanish ended that. | ||
| And that seems like something to brag about. | ||
| So we went to the protests last night in Madrid. | ||
| I think it was the 12th night. | ||
| How long do you expect those protests to continue? | ||
| I will not say how much I think they will, but I will say how much I think they will. | ||
| And I think they will, through that formula or other things, all that this government will be done. | ||
| If the investment is produced tomorrow, Spain will face a legal government for four years. | ||
| A government that says that the law only obligates the opposition, but not their associates. | ||
| A government that is willing to threaten judges with investigations in Parliament. | ||
| A government that does not believe in the separation of powers. | ||
| A government that does not believe in Spain. | ||
| I think the danger is so big that the Spanish will have to go to permanent mobilization. | ||
| And finally, how do you think this ends for you? | ||
| When you say your prayers or you're in a quiet moment and you think about the rest of your life, honestly, how do you think this ends for you? | ||
| The truth is that I don't think about it. | ||
| I don't think about it. | ||
| I don't think about it. | ||
| I have four children and I think about it. | ||
| And, like many other Spanish people, I'm concerned about what we are going to leave. | ||
| I think that nation is something that transcends us. | ||
| We are not the Spanish people who are here today. | ||
| We are not the people who are walking by the street. | ||
| The nation is our history, the cemetery of our ancestors. | ||
| The nation is the reunion of the living, of the dead and of those who have not born. | ||
| And therefore, I see things with a sense of transcendence. | ||
| Not only with a sense of transcendence religious. | ||
| I think that what we do today, even if we don't get the victory that we wish, can serve for others, our children and other generations, to get that victory. | ||
| It would have been worth it. | ||
| We're certainly rooting for you. |
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