July 27, 2023 - The Tucker Carlson Show
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| So why would you be doing this of all interviews? | ||
| I mean, you could do an interview with anyone. | ||
| You're doing an interview with me. | ||
| Obviously, you're going to take abuse for doing that. | ||
| Like, why would you do that? | ||
| Because I think it's silly not to talk to people. | ||
| I think whether we agree or not, that has nothing to do with it. | ||
| You know, it's like, this is what it's all about. | ||
| Let's talk about it. | ||
| Let's debate. | ||
| And, you know, I've been shut out. | ||
| Wait, that sounds like right-wing extremism and whataboutism? | ||
| But I've been shut out. | ||
| You know, some platforms will not have me on. | ||
| Why? | ||
| They don't like that I'm, you know, an independent thinker. | ||
| I'm not part of the herd. | ||
| I'm not part of the go-along-to-get-along gang, so to speak. | ||
| You know, I'm an outsider. | ||
| And so, you know, I'm not part of the club. | ||
| So I have to go places, for one, that I'm welcome, and where I can voice my opinion without somebody, you know, saying I'm a bad person and that they never want to have me on their platform again. | ||
| What platforms have banned you? | ||
| I've been... | ||
| You know, I tried to go on The View. | ||
| They didn't have me on The View. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Well, a few of the guests just really didn't like where I was coming from. | ||
| Or a few of the hosts, I mean. | ||
| So, that's what I was told by the producers. | ||
| You know, I don't know if the producers were just copping out and using some of the hosts to not have me come on and explain myself, but... | ||
| You'd be a good booking for them. | ||
| I've been on there before. | ||
| It's just when I've became an independent thinker. | ||
| I don't follow their brand of politics, I guess. | ||
| But if you can't think for yourself, then you're not really free, are you? | ||
| No, you're not. | ||
| You're not. | ||
| But I've been excluded. | ||
| I've been excluded on Oprah, you know. | ||
| On Oprah? | ||
| On Oprah, yeah. | ||
| I've been excluded. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| I would think you'd be the person Oprah would want to promote. | ||
| I mean, you grew up in South Central. | ||
| You were successful at a young age. | ||
| You have dignity. | ||
| You say what you think. | ||
| Like, I thought that was the goal. | ||
| Me too. | ||
| You know, I don't know what it is, but, you know, several of my, you know, I had a movie called Barbershop, you know. | ||
| Yeah, I remember. | ||
| That I wasn't invited to participate with the cast. | ||
| I produced a show called Black White. | ||
| And it was a very controversial show. | ||
| And once again, they had the whole cast on, but I wasn't invited. | ||
| So I don't know. | ||
| On Oprah's show. | ||
| Yeah, so I don't know what that's... | ||
| But Oprah's obviously a saintly, godlike figure who's revered by all decent people. | ||
| Why would she exclude you? | ||
| I really don't know. | ||
| You know, that's something that I would love to find out. | ||
| But I can't tell you, you know, if there's a single thing that I've done or said to her. | ||
| Have you noticed that it is more controversial to criticize Oprah than to burn the American flag? | ||
| Really? | ||
| Seems that way. | ||
| I've never heard anybody criticize Oprah. | ||
| Do you think it's political or do you think it's deeper than that? | ||
| I mean, you're not like a right winger. | ||
| No. | ||
| No? | ||
| No. | ||
| You don't even seem that political. | ||
| No, I'm not really. | ||
| I'm pretty much, you know, just want to do right by the people, you know. | ||
| So if that comes through political means, that comes through the private sector, wherever it comes, you know, I'm down to work with whoever's down to do something right for the people. | ||
| So I remember reading you say something along the lines of, I didn't vote for Trump, I'm not a Trump voter. | ||
| You actually attacked Trump at one point. | ||
| But you were willing to meet with Trump. | ||
| Do you think that crossed the line? | ||
| I think some people didn't like that. | ||
| But I think it's idiotic. | ||
| You know, enemies meet. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know, they talk. | ||
| I'm pretty sure there's some communication between Russia and the Ukraine right now. | ||
| Somebody's on the phone talking to somebody trying to... | ||
| To come up with a solution. | ||
| So we just got to talk. | ||
| That's the only way we're going to work this out. | ||
| You know, I know when the talking stops, the fighting starts. | ||
| You know, a lot of people, they, you know, think I'm a, you know, Republican. | ||
| I'm a right winger. | ||
| Just because I was willing to speak to the Trump organization, administration, I mean. | ||
| And I was willing to speak with the Biden administration as well. | ||
| Have you? | ||
| One guy in the administration, but it didn't go anywhere. | ||
| It was basically a take-my-temperature kind of call. | ||
| We'll get to it. | ||
| But, you know, they never got to it or never planned to. | ||
| As a matter of fact, the guy left the administration. | ||
| After talking to him for a year or so, he was gone. | ||
| And then, you know, we were left really with no one to continue the conversations. | ||
| What do you think of Biden? | ||
| I don't think he's given the people who put him in exactly what they thought they were going to get from him. | ||
| His most loyal voters, according to the polls anyway, are black voters, particularly black women. | ||
| And those numbers don't seem to change. | ||
| No matter what happens or doesn't happen. | ||
| So do you expect they ever will change? | ||
| You know, whether they become independents and not vote for anybody who's not bringing it, you know, it's like people want your vote. | ||
| They have to do something to earn it. | ||
| If they don't earn it, why are you going down there and pulling that lever? | ||
| Because the other side hates you. | ||
| That's the... | ||
| That's the pitch they make. | ||
| We may suck, but the other side hates you. | ||
| You're supposed to dance with the person you brought. | ||
| And the person that brought you to the dance, you guys are supposed to dance together. | ||
| And if that doesn't happen, you gotta go find another dancing partner before the night is up and the music stops. | ||
| What do you think of Kamala Harris? | ||
| I mean, obviously she's a great politician to be able to become the vice president of the country. | ||
| I don't know how effective she is at her job. | ||
| What's your view of the police at this point? | ||
| It's the same, you know. | ||
| It really is, you know. | ||
| It's insane. | ||
| It's like looking at, like... | ||
| What's your view of the military? | ||
| Like, they're the military. | ||
| They're always going to be the military. | ||
| If I asked you this in 1946, you'd be like, they're the military. | ||
| So it's a fraternity. | ||
| It's an organization that does things a certain way. | ||
| And I think their philosophy sometimes is detrimental to the people they're serving because I think cops have a win and make it home philosophy. | ||
| Whatever battles you have in the street, make it home at night. | ||
| And that's actually the most important thing. | ||
| And everything else, people's rights, doing things the right way, you know, being totally fair and square all the time and not, you know, being a little aggressive, you know. | ||
| All that comes second to win the encounter. | ||
| Make it home at night. | ||
| And you can't really fault somebody for thinking that way as a police officer, but that's the philosophy. | ||
| So everything else comes second to that. | ||
| So God might not care if he violated your rights. | ||
| He's going to win this encounter. | ||
| He's going to make it home tonight. | ||
| And that's all that matters. | ||
| And sometimes I think that's what we see is an organization hellbent on winning and not a fraternity or organization hellbent on upholding the law and doing anything right or by the book, so to speak. | ||
| And it's just the nature of that fraternity. | ||
| Maybe of organizations. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They come with a philosophy, and you can try to buck it if you want to, but more than likely, they're going to get you out the way and stay in formation. | ||
| Do you think that it's harder to be a man in America now than it was when you were a kid? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Saying what you feel, being yourself, is... | ||
| It's what they call toxic. | ||
| You know, we shouldn't be called toxic for our instincts and for, you know, I was born this way. | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Like, why can't we be ourselves? | ||
| We were born this way, too. | ||
| So there are some groups, like if I say I'm trans, then people say, that's great, you were born that way. | ||
| We affirm you. | ||
| But if you say I'm just a dude... | ||
| With male instincts, you're not affirmed. | ||
| You're attacked. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, everybody doesn't really have to affirm you. | ||
| You know, if I wake up and say, you know, I feel like a pigeon, and I want everybody to treat me like a pigeon, some people may say, whatever, Q, we treat you like a pigeon. | ||
| But some people may choose to be like, dude, no. | ||
| That's your world. | ||
| I'm not part of it. | ||
| And I have to be ready for that. | ||
| It's a big world out here. | ||
| Everybody doesn't have to adhere to me. | ||
| That's called narcissism, right? | ||
| Yeah, seems like it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Seems like you... | ||
| You're trying to bend the universe to your will. | ||
| And don't work like that. | ||
| We've been talking almost all day now. | ||
| You haven't mentioned race a single time. | ||
| You've mentioned economics, rich and poor, a number of times. | ||
| Do you think that we overplay the role of racial conflict in American life? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I think race, it takes up too much space. | ||
| There's people that we all have in our lives who are the same race that we can't stand. | ||
| And there's people in our lives from other races that we get along with way better. | ||
| So it's not about race. | ||
| It's not about color and gender and this and that. | ||
| It's about who do you connect with, you know? | ||
| Who do you vibrate with? | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Who's on the same wavelength? | ||
| Who wants to be the same kind of person? | ||
| Who wants to do the right thing when you want to do the right thing? | ||
| That's who you connect with. | ||
| So I think a lot of people make a lot of money off of the racists fighting against each other and bickering. | ||
| And they're the ones who push it in our face all the time. | ||
| That we're separate. | ||
| It does feel like there's more of that, doesn't there? | ||
| Yeah, it seems like it's like you're stuck in a bad movie and you can't get out. | ||
| You can't find the exit and it continues to play on the screen and you're just running around looking for the exit and this bad movie continues to just haunt you day by day by day by day. | ||
| You know, that's what we're caught in. | ||
| A never-ending, winless battle of, you know, of race and color and worried about, you know, where you from and, you know. | ||
| Hip-hop, what's great about hip-hop, like, it was a saying in hip-hop, early hip-hop, I think Rakim coined this phrase, you know, it ain't where you from, it's where you at. | ||
| You know? | ||
| And it's so true. | ||
| It's not about where you come from. | ||
| It's about where you at right now. | ||
| I'm not imagining that this stuff is being pushed on us, right? | ||
| No. | ||
| Much more than in, say, 1986. Yes. | ||
| Yes, I think so. | ||
| Because in 1986, you had movies and television and... | ||
| It was all scripted, and we knew this is a scripted show. | ||
| But I think now you have so many so-called reality shows that basically push the same thing, but in a reality-like setting. | ||
| So, you know, you'll watch a movie on race, okay? | ||
| And you flip the channel now, you're watching... | ||
| Someone like documentary reality show that's highlighting and magnifying race and status and where you belong in this country and where you don't. | ||
| And, you know, we're highlighting the bad guys here. | ||
| We're highlighting the good guys, you know. | ||
| It's just, it's always really showing controversy. | ||
| Pitting each other against each other. | ||
| And what the reality shows, you know, controversy sells. | ||
| So they're not showing people getting along. | ||
| What they want to get to is the fight, the conflict, you know, the argument, the throwing of the bottles, the turmoil, the differences. | ||
| Does that bear any resemblance to your actual life as someone who lives in this country? | ||
| Like, do you have racial conflict in your life day to day? | ||
| Probably, you know, most of them are unseen. | ||
| You know, I'm not going to say I encounter racism. | ||
| People know who I am. | ||
| Police know who I am. | ||
| Everybody knows who I am. | ||
| So I probably get a pass on a lot of things that friends, family members, people I associate with, people I love go through all the time because they're not ice cube. | ||
| You know, I've had an insurance company drop me because they didn't like my point of view. | ||
| You know, things like that. | ||
| Are you mad about it? | ||
| Are you mad at people for their skin color ever in the course of a day? | ||
| I'm not mad at people because of their skin color. | ||
| You know, I'm mad at people because of what they do and the things they choose not to do. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Big problem in this country with the financial banking system and black people and our access to capital. | ||
| You know, I know that when it breaks down, we have, you know, 13 to 15 percent of the country trying to live off of half a percentage of wealth, you know, 0.5. | ||
| 0.05% of wealth. | ||
| So, that's an issue. | ||
| That's a problem. | ||
| You know, we have to have access to capital so we can do cool things for South Central. | ||
| You know, if we drove past one of those lots and a guy that lived there wanted to put a store up, he just couldn't get a loan because of his zip call. | ||
| Now, guys from outside the area, They can come in, and they can get along and put that store up. | ||
| And that has to change. | ||
| How do people live in this state who aren't making a lot of money? | ||
| I mean, things are so expensive. | ||
| Houses that used to cost... | ||
| Like, my father, I think he bought his house 47 grand, maybe. | ||
| And now it's worth 650. The house you grew up in? | ||
| The house I grew up in. | ||
| It's worth $650,000. | ||
| And that's in South Central? | ||
| South Central, yeah. | ||
| Huh. | ||
| So, the middle class has shrunk in this state? | ||
| Without a doubt, or left. | ||
| You know, they definitely shrunk, and we have a lot of people leaving the state because they just can't afford it. | ||
| If you were running the state, wouldn't that be a big concern for you? | ||
| Yeah, I think it's a major problem because you not only have people leaving, you have industries leaving. | ||
| Tesla, they just put up a plant in Texas, so they left California. | ||
| Many, many big companies have left California. | ||
| I've noticed something weird. | ||
| I've never been a big hip-hop fan, but I've met a... | ||
| You know, a bunch of hip-hop performers. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And they're all pretty open-minded, way more open-minded than, say, your average college professor. | ||
| I wouldn't have expected that. | ||
| Why do you think that is? | ||
| You know, college professors, they all want their jobs. | ||
| And if their staff or administration is saying, hey, we think this way at this college, sometimes they... | ||
| They understand what that is and they stick to those guidelines. | ||
| Rappers, you know, we're free spirits for the most part. | ||
| Some of us who are not locked down to these crazy contracts, but we know doing things the way they were done in the past hasn't really gotten us. | ||
| As far along as the people as we have wanted. | ||
| So we tend to break the mold. | ||
| We tend to be disruptors. | ||
| We tend to not wait for an invitation to the party. | ||
| We tend to either come in through the window, you know what I mean, or kick the front door down. | ||
| But we're coming to the party. | ||
| So that's how we've actually been able to gain success. | ||
| Because everybody wants you to be in your little hole. | ||
| Everybody wants you to stay in your lane and all that stupid stuff. | ||
| And as soon as I hear that, I'm out of my lane immediately. | ||
| But you should stay in your lane, don't you think? | ||
| No. | ||
| If I would have stayed in my lane, I wouldn't be here. | ||
| I would still be in South Central Los Angeles, you know. | ||
| Not following my dreams. | ||
| So you're not surprised that rappers tend to be more open-minded at all? | ||
| Not at all. | ||
| Not at all. | ||
| Because they want to go for it. | ||
| They want new experiences. | ||
| They want to carve their own path. | ||
| And, you know... | ||
| They're not gonna conform. |
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