Jacqueline Sweet exposes "Canary Mission," a doxing site allegedly used by DHS to deport foreign students, funded by shell organizations linked to Aish HaTorah and figures like Rabbi Ben Packer. The hosts dissect connections between Canary Mission, Beitar, and the JDL 613 Brotherhood, scrutinizing Sean McGuire's shaming tactics, Bill Ackman's controversial donations, and the unsolved pipe bomb mystery at DNC/RNC offices. While debating the ethics of reporting on consensual relationships and "bimbofication," the episode ultimately reveals how fringe ideologies infiltrate government agencies, challenging narratives of national security and free speech. [Automatically generated summary]
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The Canary in the Coal Mine00:06:34
The canary in the coal mine has long been a metaphor for the persecution of a minority that subsequently spreads to the general populace.
Today, college campuses are filled with anti Semitic and anti American radicals waving Palestinian flags and placards and screaming apartheid and murdering.
A few years later, these individuals are applying for jobs within your company.
There's no record of their membership of radical organizations.
No one remembers their yelling profanities on campus or attending Jew hating conferences and anti American rallies.
All evidence has been eradicated, and soon they will be part of your team.
We are Canary Mission, an organization dedicated to documenting these acts of hate, exposing them, and holding these individuals accountable.
Enjoy the rest of it.
Happy Monday, y'all.
Hello.
What is that?
I don't know.
Who says happy Monday?
I do that.
No, you don't.
Happy Monday, y'all.
Nobody's happy on Monday.
Everybody, this is all true and on listeners look forward to on Monday morning.
They're going into work.
Time for another day at Bipple or whatever.
Bipple.ai, where we're programming the motherfucking new shit.
And they hear, it's It's every day they're like, all right, I'm going to drink one soilet, go into the bathroom, and blow my fucking head off with a 38 special frangible round.
So it disintegrates in my brain matter.
And my coworkers will find me, and the week is done.
And so they, unless they hear the happy Monday from Brace.
Happy Mondays.
My name is Brace.
I'm producer Young Chomsky.
The podcast is called True and On Podcast.
What's this?
No Liz again?
Huh.
Huh.
Must be Monday.
Must be Monday.
Must be another fucking day of the week, but it doesn't matter.
The abandonment, the abandonment I've had in my life has built and built and built.
And there is a breaking point.
Uh huh.
There is a breaking point.
What's going to happen?
My brother.
My brother.
Nine miles away from ground zero, you're asking that?
Yeah.
Are we?
I don't know.
Less than that.
No, I'd say it's probably like.
Six miles, four or five miles.
Four.
We're directly at Ground Zero right now.
We are recording today's episode from the 9 11 Memorial.
That's sick.
Echo, echo.
We got a studio at Ground Zero.
Down in those fucking holes.
Yeah.
You know, there's guys in there.
What do they do?
There's a whole race of people who've fallen in there and made it over the years.
It's like the.
Oh, the Morlocks.
They're Morlockian.
Yeah.
In many ways, except they're sort of like the Elohai or the Elohai?
Elohai.
Whatever.
They're like those motherfuckers.
A little Hebrew sound on that one, right?
The Elohim.
And the Elohim.
And there's tunnels between the two holes they have there.
Okay.
And they live in there.
And if you fall in there, they'll eat you.
Watch out for that one, folks, when you're visiting New York.
We have a four hour episode on precisely that topic.
We have been spending the past 72 hours with the mole people of Ground Zero.
We've been eating rat.
We've been eating, we brought them new vegetables that they haven't heard of.
We brought them sun chokes.
We brought them, I mean, fuck.
9 11, a long time ago, we brought them kale.
Yeah.
You know, what other new vegetables did they come out with?
I don't really stay abreast of the vegetable drops.
You're not eating sun chokes?
I've never heard that before.
You never had a sun choke?
What's a sun choke?
You need more women in your life, my brother.
Well, I wouldn't disagree with.
No, I.
I know many, but.
Sun chokes, man.
Is that a type of artichoke?
It's the artichoke girls eat.
Okay.
You've.
This is crazy to me.
You never had a sun choke?
I eat a rumen.
And they make you fucking gassy.
Well, that's a good reason.
And they feed them to you as a trick.
All right.
Say, oh, I made you these beautiful sunshocks.
Why don't you have some sunshocks?
And they're like, oh, why does it smell bad in here?
You did this!
Yeah.
They have sunshocks now.
They've got all kinds of citrus we haven't heard about before.
They're always on about the citrus.
But it's just true, man.
Every time you head on to those fucking, one of the fruit and vegetable shops, you know what I'm talking about?
The Mr. Fruit, Mr. Vegetable.
Mr. Mango, Mr. Cocoa.
Yeah, exactly.
I don't want to say which Mr. I'm close to.
Could be anything.
But they've got fruit there that, I mean, we don't even.
They made durians that don't smell like nothing.
Yeah.
No, they haven't made sandwich durians yet.
We're not talking about the mold people.
Well, one day.
One day we will.
When the time is right on disclosure day.
Disclosure day.
We'll go down there.
We have with us today returning guest Jacqueline Sweet.
We are talking about a whole host of topics.
Canary Mission, January 6th.
Gates.
What?
Gates.
What about it?
Analyzing them.
Oh, I think Matt Gates.
It's a very ambiguous topic.
You could be talking about like a doorway or a way of walking or Matt.
We don't even know.
We don't even know.
But you will soon enough, listeners, after you hear it starting right now.
Ladies and gentlemen, I'm not going to do the voice.
Jacqueline, I'm not going to do the voice.
I don't know what the voice is.
You know what the voice is.
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another episode.
You're doing the voice, though.
This is how I talk.
Okay.
What voice?
That one.
But how would you describe it?
You sound a little stopped up.
I sound like I maybe have some allergies.
Yeah, like some blockages.
Would you like me to sniff into the microphone?
Investigating Anonymous Infiltration00:15:20
Yeah.
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the main event.
We have with us, sitting in the studio, Jacqueline Sweet, for the second time in the hot seat, independent investigative journalist.
And we're talking about, well, there's going to be a couple of animals that we're going to be talking about today.
But first is canary, and then we'll get to my little pony later.
Bronyism.
Bronyism later.
I. Sometimes you seem to be able to get a better handle on this than I can, but sometimes I look at the constellation of these pro Israel advocacy groups, nonprofits, and I say that sort of with air quotes, different organizations in the Northeast in particular.
And it's just like there's so many different weird interlocking ones, and so many personalities that go from one to the other, and there's so much funny money and unclear financing.
That I like sometimes, I'm just like, it's all the same thing.
And then I look at some of your reporting, I'm like, damn, it is kind of all the same thing.
We're talking today about Canary Mission in particular.
Can you tell me just off the bat, what is Canary Mission?
So, Canary Mission has been around a while now, almost a decade.
And it's famously this really influential doxing website, totally anonymous, where usually pro Palestinian students, protesters, voices have been identified and doxed.
With these dossiers, these profiles on the website, which have been used.
People have been fired.
People have been harassed online.
It's meant to shame people into changing their behaviors and viewpoints.
And in the last year, the Trump administration has used Canary Mission in the Department of Homeland Security to identify, we know this from court testimony, to identify foreign students for arrest, deportation, detainment.
So, it's kind of escalated the importance of the website in the last year, but still very little was known about it.
It's kind of famously anonymous.
And there has been some reporting over the years about people running it, Shell charities in Israel that run it, but the people behind it, it's still been really obscure, even as it's grown in sort of consequence.
Yeah, I mean, the DHS usage of it is kind of an escalation.
I know that the Israeli government has used it to ban people from entering Israel.
That supported BDS, according to the Canary Mission website.
It came out in, I believe, a court case last year that Peter Hatch from the DHS gave testimony that most of the names, this is from NBC, most of the names of student protesters who were flagged to the agency for analysis came from Canary Mission.
And I mention that because we've talked previously about Batar and these sort of other associated Zionist organizations who also were really patting themselves on the back for giving names to DHS.
And famously, there was the kind of really crazy arrest of Rumeza Ozturk.
That came a month after her name was added to the Canary Mission website, even though the op ed that she was arrested for writing had come out a year prior.
It seems pretty obvious that these things are hand in hand.
But one of the things, so I've always known of Canary Mission as it's like a website that mostly doxes college students.
And a lot of it kind of, once BDS sort of got more popular on campus about 10 years ago, and anti Israel, pro Palestine sort of organizing got a little, I guess, more popular, they really sort of sprung into action.
They report on these student council meetings and BDS resolution adoptions and stuff, and then put everybody on these, they put up wanted posters of a guy.
That's how I first heard about him.
A guy I knew had wanted posters put up of him at, I believe, UC Berkeley.
And, but now it does seem like they're morphing into something a little more expansive.
It took me one click from their front page to find an organization that I started that has nothing to do with college students, but multiple people I know that have, I don't know if they went to college or not, but they certainly aren't anymore.
And its funding has been murky.
There's been some investigations in the past.
And what have those found out for the most part?
Yeah, yeah.
Like, that's really the biggest reporting is that old.
Like, there was a series of reports in the Forward in 2018 where a nonprofit in Israel called Megamat Shalom, like Peace Trends, I guess, is how you translate that, was running Canary Mission, that it was created to run Canary Mission, run by a guy named Jonathan Bash, who's from the UK, moved to Israel.
He's been involved with other kinds of like pro Israel activism, like a thing called video activism, video fighters, different groups, part of Aisha Torah, living in Jerusalem.
And it was reported through sources that Megamot was the vehicle to run Canary.
The reporter at the time went to all the members of the board, and they were just like, a lot of them were religious leaders, educational leaders through Aish.
Some names he couldn't figure out who they were.
People were like, I don't know what you're talking about.
They just kind of denied it.
And that really, we haven't had much more really uncovered in all these years.
And sometimes people kind of make an attempt, and it seemed impenetrable to people.
So, I took that personally.
Yeah, it's been eight years basically since these investigations come out.
And you mentioned that people had just straight up denied being on the board.
Yeah.
I don't know if I believe that.
I don't, I mean, maybe it's really that easy to add someone to the board of an organization.
Yeah, I don't know the laws in Israel, but.
Well, so, okay, so I kind of want to take a crack.
Obviously, Canary became more important, you know, when we found out that, you know, and before this, the court testimony you talk about, which was during civil litigation for people who had been arrested.
Before we knew that, it was speculated that Canary and Beitar were being used to target, you know, to identify and target these students.
But it was kind of like poo pooed.
People were like, no, they're not really using them.
And I was like, I think they are.
And then, of course, we found out they were.
And I think Beitar, too, we've gotten confirmation.
But yeah, so the DHS official testified that he was told by the State Department to use Canary Mission.
He even said in his testimony he didn't know who ran it, you know, probably likely a foreign entity, right?
So that's kind of interesting.
Like, should foreign entities of unknown origin operators be making decisions at DHS and State Department?
That's kind of problematic.
I mean, I think that's worth pausing on.
It's extraordinary that the Department of Homeland Security was using lists furnished them by an anonymous, pretty obviously now definitely confirmed foreign organization of lists of students to deport from this country.
Yeah.
I mean, I don't know.
We don't have a FARA filing for it, you know?
Exactly.
But it's also just like, when is anything like that?
Yeah.
Happened.
And that's, you know, that's like people really attuned to that kind of question right now, like across the political spectrum.
A lot of people are concerned about that.
It's foreign influence in our government.
No matter which foreign country it's coming from, it's kind of a concern.
So I kind of tried to sort of see what I could investigate with Canary.
And I kind of like, I don't know if I was here the last time when this came out, but I kind of looked at some of the ways they get funded.
And they're funded through an American nonprofit that's been reported before.
And through that, we kind of know that Megamut runs Canary because.
Donations have been earmarked for Canary through Megamot from some American nonprofits who probably weren't supposed to write that on the tax form, but they did and people found it.
So that's also another way we know that Megamot runs Canary.
So I was looking at, there's, I don't think, we probably talked about this when I was here last time, the interior designer online.
I don't know if we did.
I think we talked about, because we talked about a lot of Long Island personalities, I think.
Well, so if you want to give money to Canary Mission right now as an American, you send it to an interior design store in the Five Towns.
So, for those who don't know, what are the five towns?
So, it's a western, southwestern Nassau.
It's five little hamlets that are just, you know, very Orthodox, a lot of Orthodox Jews, very Jewish towns.
Cedarhurst, Lawrence, there's five of them.
And people would be sending this to, it's the Central Fund of Israel.
Right.
And it goes, you actually send it to it here.
So, it had gone to a fabric store in Manhattan for many years, which is the family who developed this nonprofit.
But they're mostly all in Israel now, the Marcus family.
I don't know if you know that.
And then last year, I was like, why is it going to Cedarhurst to an interior designer?
That's weird.
Yeah.
And so I went and I went there, I looked at it.
And that was actually how this kind of opened up this whole world.
That was the beginning of finding out all this, all about all of this, this little world of people who run and operate Canary.
So this guy who owns an interior design store, ultimately, I figured out that, you know, he's kind of in business in Jerusalem with.
Jonathan Bash's wife, and they share business in a way, and they're part of this really small, close, tight knit community.
So, a lot of these people come out of Aish.
Yes.
What is Aish?
I mean, so it's a Jewish religious educational organization.
So, kind of, you know, like outreach.
It's international.
There's an office in New York.
You know, it's conservative.
I'm not a huge expert on, you know, but.
I mean, he was studying there.
He was involved with it there.
So it was kind of his network.
But a lot of the network of Canary, like people, like, remember I told you that I mentioned a few before that the Forward Reporter couldn't figure out who some of the people were on the board.
Yeah.
And I figured out that one person was his mother in law.
So it's just sometimes it's just like his friends and family.
You gotta put your mother in law on the board.
Jesus.
You probably love your mother in law.
You know, but it's funny because I was reading about Aish.
Yeah.
And apparently, they had received like a million dollar donation from the Israeli government that they failed to report.
That was only discovered because the Israeli government changed some of their reporting stuff for grants.
That's 2016.
Ah, interesting.
And it was obviously never registered as Farah, but it was to do pro Israel activism in the U.S.
I think it was like the big Christian Zionist organization got a million dollars too, also, never reported.
So that's a really, and like this whole thing now, I don't know if you're following like all these.
FARA filings that are coming out where we're seeing this, like, you know, the $7,000 influencer thing that we're talking about.
Oh, yeah.
Like, so I did some reporting on that too in American Conservative because I'm a kind of class.
But a lot of that goes there.
It's like old, like these old, like networks of pro Israel advocacy that uses these Christian evangelical networks.
And that really is what they're still doing.
Like, it really hasn't, those are the influencers.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, like most of those at that famous Charlie Kirk come to Jesus moment on Long Island, I think quite a few of the influencers that were invited to that were Christian.
Yeah.
And certainly many of the delightful ones that we met at APAC.
It was told to me that, like, you know, there's so many more Christian evangelicals in the United States by numbers that, like, if they're, and, like, you know, are they losing half of the support for Israel among the younger?
Like, there is, like, an erosion of support for Israel, even among Christian evangelicals, especially younger ones.
So it's, like, a calculation that this is, like, a better bang for our buck because there's, like, if half of American Jews are, You know, pro Netanyahu or head, it's still such a tiny number.
It's like a numbers game.
Yeah.
I don't know if you saw the reporting on like this Trump guy, former Trump campaign guy, Brad Pascal, and he has one of some of these fara deals with Israel.
He is, so wait, is Pascal, you'll have to report.
He's the Salem media guy.
No, I know, but is he the one in the crazy video where he's all wasted in his driveway?
I don't know.
Okay.
It was one of those Pascalian figures.
That some dismal body cam footage of him being drunk in his driveway came out.
But they're doing this text outreach thing.
It was reported in Statecraft.
But basically, I got one the other day.
I'm like, this is the wrong person.
I'm like, hi, is Brad there?
Because I knew it was his program.
But they were asking me, and it was in Spanish.
I had an Espanol.
I don't know why.
And it was like, how do you feel about it?
But they're trying to go for this younger.
Evangelical crowd, and they're trying to gauge their support for Israel.
Is it waning?
Is it?
So, Canary Mission, all right, so let me, because I don't know, I'm not a reporter, but this is, I think, how it seems to work.
It's like these various nonprofits funnel the money into Megamount Shalom.
And then they just basically give, they don't really exist.
I mean, with the four, I think maybe Haaretz also did some reporting on it.
And they think they sent a reporter out to their address and they were like, it's just an empty building.
Like, there's nothing in there.
Megamot Shalom, which appears to be just like a front organization, is Canary Mission.
I mean, that's what the reporting has shown before.
And then when we, so the second in my series with Dropsite on Canary this year, one of the big ones was the Blackness story.
I don't know if you saw that one.
We did.
So some researchers were able to not hack, but were able to get something that was live on the internet, just not listed.
So they got into it like a back way, but it was there to see.
And it was like a set of intranet sites, like staging sites for Canary.
And also, like, some of their internal communications, like their schedules.
Like, they had a popcorn hour.
This is true.
They had like marketing, like some kind of internal communications deck with like their core values.
We had some names.
We were able to see like the materials that would make it onto the profiles, like how they were captured.
We were able to see that they had these docs.
The doxers, we call them, with their fake names.
They create Facebook and Twitter and Instagram.
We didn't see Instagram, but Facebook and Twitter profiles and LinkedIn.
So they could like go join groups and take pictures of people's profiles to make it to the site.
And we actually could see their names.
And like some of them are hilarious.
Some of them were like racist.
Like, there was one guy who had like a kind of a racist name, and it was on an Arsenio Hall picture.
I'm shocked that there's racism occurring in this community.
But there's like, they would have like an Asian one, they'd have like a white one.
I'm like, they had like a white one.
Why do Muslims have races?
Birthright Groups and Racism00:14:49
Couldn't they just be?
I guess they were trying to infiltrate.
I don't know.
They were infiltrating.
And they would make like really fake, like really bad.
It's like, you know, they'd have like a couple pictures, maybe like stolen from an influencer.
Some of them were just going back years.
Some of them were like, They'd have like celebrities and you'd be like, the interest would be like gardening, like mahjong.
It was just like so cool.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And they would talk to each other.
That's awesome.
And this was all on just like an unprotected website.
Yes, that you wouldn't have found.
And so one was called Black Nest, was like the place where it was all under Black Nest.
Black Nest?
What an evil name for the canary mission.
I know it sounds so villainous.
And they had, you know how the canary logo is the yellow bird, the canary?
Black Nest was a black, it was black.
And I saw the picture, that was their logo.
It was the black bird.
It was the black bird.
Instead of the canary.
Yeah, and they, there was a document that listed their core values.
We reported that.
I don't know if you saw, but it was, some of it was kind of funny.
What, what, I did see that, but what are they?
Like one was, we are the adult in the room.
I was like number nine or something.
Yeah, that's, if there's anything I associate with this particular branch of pro Israel activism, it's the adult like that.
Some of it was religious.
Some of it was religious, like, you know, principles, which is interesting.
So, like, I mean, really, so our government is using, and so, From reporting on all these people, and there's more people obviously that I can't report on, but I know who they are and I follow their stuff and I get a sense of like the feeling and flavor of them.
Like, it's they're kind of fringy, they're kind of older, it's like they're very religious, they're very conservative.
It's a small group, it's like a fringe religious group, yeah.
And that's like with it, an out crazy outsized influence on the American government, and like that's kind of crazy.
It is so that's that's kind of what's spectacular.
I mean, I think one guy on the Megamot Shalom board I think is interesting.
This guy, Rabbi Ben Packer.
Right.
Obviously, he's from the US.
He, like a lot of these people, I mean, a lot of these people are people who moved from the United States or in the founder's case from England or his wife's case from, I believe, South Africa.
Yes.
But they moved to Israel.
And, you know, there's an article in Haaretz that's lured into it's about his hostel that he runs in Jerusalem, lured into a pro Kahan hostel.
What happens to these young US Jews after birthright?
When a rabbi offered these young US Jews a free place to stay in Jerusalem after birthright ended, they had no idea about his radical political agenda.
So, what he does is he has a Kahanist hostel in Jerusalem that was partnered with a bunch of, or with one of the main, excuse me, not a bunch of, but one of the main US groups that offer birthright trips.
And so they'd be like, hey, if you want to be here a little longer, why don't you stay with him?
And he would take people over.
To settlements to the West Bank, yeah, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
And so, I think that this actually pretty accurately shows the integration of this so called fringe into the kind of mainstream of this stuff.
Birthright's pretty mainstream in terms of like Israel activism, yeah.
And they were directly feeding, I mean, Haaretz is saying thousands and thousands of people in Birthright to a Kahanist.
So, that's talking about Meyer Kahan.
He obviously is, we've mentioned this show before, but I would say.
Pretty much out now to Jewish Nazi.
You know, he is a huge into what do you call it?
Racial hatred, expulsion of all Arabs, even Israeli citizens, behind numerous terror attacks in the US, including one I mentioned on a building I quite like on Atlantic Avenue that killed an old lady.
And, you know, the founder of the JDL, the Jewish Defense League, which we can talk about later.
We're going to talk about that later.
We're going to talk about the Irish guys, yeah.
No, but there's other like funnel groups too, like you're talking about, like Students Supporting Israel is like a campus group.
Like they, some people who were like leading those campus groups went to Jonathan Bash's like video fighters thing.
It's like a precursor to Canary.
It's part of this.
So Canary kind of came out of like a foundation of these kinds of groups.
And it was almost like their more advanced iteration.
But like some, like students supporting Israel, they'd go and they'd do these like video fellowships.
They would make pro Israel video and, or like some Ash people would go or birthright people.
But I think it's probably like a self selection where like not, you know, like.
People who are attracted to this more extremism are gonna be the ones who, you know, go further, like go into the next level of extreme, you know, extremism.
I have most people who are doing birthright are just regular people, you know, and they're not gonna be attracted to that.
But, like, I mean, but you think about this because, like, the guys I knew that I didn't go on birthright, the guys I knew that went on birthright yet, they knew nothing about Israel, you know, they were 14 years old who were like, there's a free vacation or whatever.
Yeah.
Yeah, but if they're like, hey, come stay here later, I mean, you could do this is, you know, electronic intifada found this.
This is from Ben Packer's Hostels.
Or this is from his Facebook page, but it shows Rachel Corey Pancake Day at his hospital.
And it shows a bunch of students on Birthright and IDF soldiers making Rachel Corey pancakes.
Rachel Corey, obviously, an American woman who was bulldozed to death by the IDF.
And I think it was like 2003.
This is at Packers Hostel.
Yeah.
This is a board member of Mega Machalone.
It's a bed and breakfast.
Yes, it is.
I guess so.
He says In honor of all the hate messages from the anti Israel Jewish crowd, one of our supporters has pledged $5 towards Israeli settlements, maybe for additional bulldozers.
For each additional comment, keep them coming, anti Semites.
We love our Israeli soldiers and we will not back down in the face of those who attempt to endanger them.
Ben Packer is also notable for having been a sort of unofficial rabbi at Duke University during Stephen Miller's time there.
Stephen Miller, of course, was rumored to have been friends with Richard Spencer there.
There is an email that came out that shows that they were collaborating on a debate.
Stephen Miller to Israel for the first time and showed him around.
Ron Tarostan, friend of the show.
Friend of the show.
Of Batar.
Of Batar.
Before, yeah.
He told me that, you know, those guys claim friendship to this day with Stephen Miller.
Don't know how true that is.
Because there is some kind of vector between Canary Mission and the highest levels of the state.
Who's telling Hatch to use Canary Mission?
We don't know.
Somebody.
And there's this interesting kind of related thing.
This guy named David Milstein, a young guy who works at the State Department.
This hadn't been reported.
It wasn't Tucker Carlson, but he seemed to have an outsized influence at the State Department.
He was changing things he wasn't supposed to change to be pretty controversially pro Israel and look at some pretty radical sources there in official State Department communications.
Supposedly, he helped get someone fired for pushing back on that.
He's Mark Levin's.
Stepson?
Stepson.
I guess Stepson, yes.
Miller, yeah.
Or what's his last name?
Milstein?
Yeah, Milstein, I guess.
Mark Levin's stepson.
Mark Levin's stepson.
Yeah.
But like, I found this.
Oh, so David Milstein.
So when that story came out that Milstein was like exerting this crazy pro Israel influence at the State Department, who's his kid because he's so young and why is he the boss of everyone?
Was there kind of the reporting about it?
I was like, oh, I know him.
He was like connected to all of my canary people I was looking at.
That's interesting.
Interesting.
How would he be connected?
Friends on Instagram when they have 100 friends and they're really obscure.
Why is some of them obscure people?
There's like people who don't make it to the stories who are like, no.
Why is Milstein on this person's friend list?
Part of Canary in some way who has like 80 friends, and then Milstein's there.
That's interesting.
Like, I clock that.
That's like what I do.
And I've seen Milstein, like, in these, you know, I've seen him at events with Ben Packer.
Like, it's the same people start to come up.
The, the, I mean, this is, it's, it boggles the mind sometimes to think about this stuff because, and maybe I'm being a little hyperbolic here for effect for our audience, but the reality is, like, it's fucking, it is fucking crazy that a guy who works at the US Embassy in Jerusalem in this weird role where he seems to be sort of like the guy in front of the ambassador.
Who himself is just off his fucking rocker, who probably helped that meeting with Jonathan Pollard happen, is and is taking out any references to hunger or famine from official State Department memos and stuff like that in Gaza.
And this guy is like, I mean, these people are like, if they're not straight up Kahanis, neo Kahanis.
And this is an ideology, and this is almost obsolete to even mention just because of the way that Israel is.
Become so much more extreme in the past 20 years.
But this is an ideology that was so.
It was banned in Israel.
Yeah.
Because one of their members assassinated a prime minister.
And now.
But it was unbanned in the US under Biden.
Yes.
That's an interesting episode.
Yes, true.
But it's like, this is, you know, and I hear so often that, like, oh, you know, we're against Netanyahu, against Netanyahu.
I'm like, we're past just like Netanyahu in this.
Like, this is all just like, it's a patchwork, right?
Like, these people.
Are in common cause with.
I mean, it's like, what is the real difference between Netanyahu and any of these people?
Not really anything.
But like, these most extreme sections of the Israeli extreme right are operating at the highest level.
So it's like, okay, well, I don't really understand that.
It just doesn't seem so extreme to me.
It seems relatively mainstream, I guess.
And to have this exert such enormous pressure on the embassy, and not that the embassy.
I think it is a bastion of left wing thought or anything there.
But certainly things have become much more difficult for Arab Israelis and Palestinians who have to use the U.S. Embassy since Trump's second term.
It's just crazy.
And then you have Canary Mission.
And so you also discovered there was a strange sort of like Estonian connection here in terms of money.
Well, so there's two ways you could donate to Canary Mission.
I mentioned before, you can do it.
You know, if you want it, you know, text right off through a nonprofit here, and you could, you know, whatever your nonprofit is, Brace Jewish Federation.
Yeah, Brace Jewish Walking Around Money Federation.
You could say, you know, give it to Central Fund of Israel, tell them to give it to Magma, and they give it to Canary.
That's how we know that happened.
Another way is you can just donate online.
And we found, you know, there's a donate button on the website.
And I was like, I wonder if I could find anything there.
And it said like Artech Marketing, it's a pretty generic name.
People had failed docs it online saying it was like this Indian company and it wasn't.
So I'm like, let me make a donation.
So I have donated to Kinnear Admission.
There goes your journalistic integrity.
And the receipt came back with Talon Estonia.
I'm like, that's weird, but that helped me identify the company.
And it, you know, they were a group of, you know, Estonians, Hungarians in Estonia with ties back to Israel and some kind of like second degree ties to, you know, kind of the players.
But yeah, so there's a lot of like, And there's more companies in Israel that are involved in this that I can't report yet.
There's a lot of the shell game, a lot of shells.
It's really extraordinary.
Yeah.
I mean, you found out, and we don't got to go over all their names here just for maybe legal reasons, but you found out just the people who actually work at Canary Mission.
Oh, yeah.
And they all, like the people who are compiling these lists of students and now, I guess, DSA members.
Yeah.
Found the Black Nest stuff.
We saw they had the campaign, like Q1 campaigns, Q2 campaigns.
Some of it was stuff when we saw it, like this is a few months behind.
We had like a snapshot in time from last summer.
We can't see it like ongoing, but there was like a Mom Dami section.
They were like branching out.
Yeah.
And there were some intriguing like tidbits of like their plans to expand.
Like they, so there was even some stuff that suggested like they were going to like monetize like or sell to companies like research wise, like their profiles of people or something.
It was like not completely clear, but there was like, Expansion, it was very corporatized language.
It was very like high level non profit, the way it's like corporatized.
People want to see like the ROI, like billionaires want that ROI language.
Like it was very like PowerPoint y.
I kind of wonder that if that is intended for use for do you remember after like all the college protests and stuff, there was all these, um, like the Sean McGuires of the world, you know, saying like anybody who participated in this stuff won't be getting a job.
Yeah, like maybe they were going to like find a new um avenue, which is like.
Smart in some ways.
It's a way to monetize it.
Be like, listen, a bill, give me some money and I'll give you a list of people you should never hire at your company.
So when we saw these fake profiles, social media profiles that were used to collect the information, there was a Twitter, and most of them were all anonymous.
They did a good job.
It was all fake, right?
So we were chasing out fake names, but there was one couple that were like a real person, and one was this guy named Alex Carson.
Alex Ben Hurston, a UK guy.
He was like a big.
Ben Carson?
Alex Ben Carson.
Alex Ben Carson.
And we found a trace of him.
He was a real person.
It was his Twitter, which we found out some different ways.
And he had like a bodybuilding blog, a big bodybuilding blog.
What's he pumping?
This is old.
I don't know.
Did he look good?
It's lost the time.
And then he did some pro Israel writing, but we found him on the Megamot Shalom filings.
We got the full, she was to order the full filings from the government.
They're not just online.
So, or somebody in Israel has to order them.
So, somebody ordered them and he was there as a content writer of her Megamot.
And we found him collecting information for Canary.
So, that bridge, that gap again, that previous reporting that Megamot people were likely working on Canary.
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Just, they're just Canary.
Or we don't know.
Or whatever.
Maybe they might work for other ones too.
Yeah.
So, he was the first real person working on Canary.
He's from the UK too.
But all the other people we found, so there's like set, so they only list the top, the top.
Six per year paid, highest paid.
So some change per year.
So there's like a total of eight people.
But so we reported six, two names we couldn't find out who they were, figure out who they were.
Yeah.
So out of the six, five were Americans who had moved to Israel.
One was UK.
Yeah.
I mean, it's, it's, and again, you just have to take a step back sometimes and be like, damn, there is a fucking nonprofit in a foreign country that gives lists of college, compiles, spends all day on like whatever fucking, I'm trying to think of a college, Boduin, Bodoin, Bodoin SJP.
They hate Bard.
They hate Bard?
They hate Shakespeare.
But on like the Bard SJP Facebook group or whatever.
Yeah.
And like, And then they give that to our government and you get in trouble.
Or like the businesses.
It's just, again, like I'm like.
I have to say, like, we'll give some dude a canary.
Like, we're in a time where we have fake news people on X, like giving the government wrong stuff, like your Laura Loomers and those people.
Like, the canary stuff tends to be factually correct.
Like, it doesn't, like, but they're deciding someone's anti Semitic is that's the part where they're just deciding.
Well, yeah, that's true.
It's not factually wrong, usually.
Again, I looked at some profiles of people, and I know.
A lot of people at Canary Mission.
I looked at some profiles of people I know.
It's like, all right, called for the end of the US military, called for the destruction of Israel.
I'm like, oh, yeah, he did call for those things.
But the problem is with the Canary Mission stuff, it's like libs of TikTok.
It's like stop anti Semitism, where obviously they're calling you anti Semite.
And I think the thing that makes it the Canary Mission a little bit different is it often specifically targets people to get them fired.
Yeah.
And arrested.
And arrested.
Yeah, and arrested now.
But also young people who are entering the workforce.
It is a website for that docs to be used.
And so, even if the docs is literally crackers, yeah, probably.
I'm sure there are a lot of people.
You say some stuff and you believe it, but if it's compiled in a place by calling you an anti Semite, devoid of any context or whatever, most employers don't really want anything to do with that.
Just even no matter what.
Well, I mean, they say, like, when we found the Black Nest, they had internal metrics where they would celebrate things they called their wins, and they had different categories of wins.
And this is like an old.
Be like anti BDS.
This goes back to this idea of like behavior change.
If somebody changed their behavior, they would like, you know, celebrate it internally.
Like we got one, which is, I guess, somebody like saying, I'm sorry, I don't believe that anymore, I guess.
Firings was another category.
They had categories of arrests and deportations.
And then every time the American news media would talk about Canary Mission, they would celebrate.
They had like a win section.
It's like very corporate.
Yeah.
Like, like.
Stop Antisemitism, that's an interesting one.
You're talking about how mainstream some of this stuff is.
So, Stop Antisemitism has some of the, it's kind of like one of these AstroTurf groups, whatever.
Same, some similar funding as Canary Mission through Central Fund.
You have like Adam Milstein, a billionaire, he funds both of these groups.
So, some of the same funding people.
But, you know, Jake Tapper had the spokesperson, president, who's, she's, It's just Adam Milstein's group.
But she was on CNN with Jane Topper.
But if you follow their claims on social media, a lot of it is just wrong and made up.
It's really bad propaganda.
And so, why is that on CNN?
That's kind of crazy.
I mean, it's also like, especially for a while, it was really boosted in the X algorithm, for instance, as well.
And these people get money from the Canary Mission, from the Natan and Lydia Pesach Family Foundation, from the Ann and Robert.
From our charitable foundation, they get like hundreds of thousands of dollars, ten thousand dollars at a time.
California, the big, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's in San Francisco.
Do you remember the Brown shooting when there was a Brown shooter on the loose?
There was the guy who went to the semester.
And he went to the classroom at Brown.
Oh, that guy.
Then he killed the MIT nuclear scientist.
Yeah.
And he was like on the run for a while because our FBI is like, yeah, yeah.
So there was this whole thing that went across.
Sean McGuire was part of this one too, where they said that the MIT professor was a Portuguese guy named Nuno Lurera, if I'm saying it right.
And they were like, he was killed because he posted about Israel.
Wasn't him, it was a different guy.
And I watched it, and it started with some, somebody had a Substack.
Couldn't tell the difference between two different people with the same name.
This happens all the time.
And then it got picked up by like Stop Anti Semitism and the other guy who's always the same old people on.
They're all the same guys.
Who promote, you know, Stop Anti Semitism.
And, you know, who was on CNN with Jake Tapper was just saying, like, saying that the MIT professor was Jewish and that he was killed, which is like, that's fomenting like panic that he was killed because he expressed pro Israel views and he was Jewish.
He wasn't Jewish.
It wasn't his threads where it was a different guy who posted about Israel.
And this had been debunked and debunked, and these people don't take it down.
Sean McGuire didn't take it down.
He had millions of views on it.
He was called out for it.
And they don't take it down.
And this happens like constantly if you follow this stuff.
I mean, it's Bill Ackman, obviously, is another big proponent of this stuff.
It's crazy to me.
There is this ecosystem that happens.
I also always get, because I only follow like, well, I don't follow anybody because I don't use Twitter, but the TrueNon Twitter only follows like, I don't know what, PragerU and shit like that.
I don't follow anybody that goes on the show ever.
But I always get your tweets suggested when there's somebody really clearly misidentified as something because I can tell it drives you insane.
But it happens all the time.
People, I don't know why, but no one can understand.
And I see it all the time.
And it seems pretty simple to me that almost every name is shared by more than one person.
It's crazy.
Think of who you're fucking talking to right now.
Think of who you're fucking talking to right now because there is another Brace Belden.
And this, don't.
I can't tell you.
I probably mentioned this on the podcast.
What does he do?
Never, ever contact this guy.
He's just a regular guy.
What's his word?
He is just like, I don't know.
I think he's like a teacher or something.
Guess what?
The other Jacqueline Sweet does.
What's she do?
There's like a fantasy novelist.
She writes like werewolf sex thrillers.
And she kind of looks a little bit like me.
But Jacqueline Sweet writer, if you're Googling that, that's going to be tough.
That's going to be tough.
Is the other Brace Belton Hispanic?
The other Brace Belton is fully, appears to be 100% Hispanic.
That's cool.
And he's also born three months after me.
When I got arrested, I didn't get arrested.
When I was 15, I was stopped by transit police in San Francisco by this one.
Really mean, bald ass lady who used to be basically the only transit cop in San Francisco until they added a bunch.
And she was like, Oh, Brace, and then Hispanic middle name, Belden, like, we finally got you for assault because I didn't have an ID.
And I was like, I'm sorry, lady.
My middle name is not that.
And she like gave me a stern lesson on the.
I thought she was just fucking with me and being a little racist.
And then I later found out it's real, and he never has responded to my DMs.
But it's just, it's fine.
There's more mystery to it than that.
I'll get him on here.
There's more mystery to it than that.
I've never been able to figure it out.
What's going on exactly with that?
Because I have such a strange name in terms of like where it comes from.
Like, it's just, it's like a last name of some like great, great whatever.
It doesn't matter, but it's like, it's, race isn't generally a first name.
Yeah.
And, and, but it's, it's always funny.
Yeah, even you are not unique because it goes to my point.
Exactly.
Even I'm not unique.
And so, like, but people, Sean McGuire is a huge, oh my God.
Yeah.
It is so.
And then he'll shame other people for this.
And like, there was something he did where I agree with him and I was like, I agree.
What about that post you still have up about the brown sugar?
He is just such a fucking weasel.
And Bill Ackman, too, does this also.
Although Bill Ackman, his sort of screeds have gone so long at this point that I think even if you were the biggest Bill Ackman head in the universe, which our numbers are going up.
Did I tell you about his Snapchat avatar?
Ooh, that really sent us maybe really uncomfortable, Jacqueline.
Bill Ackman's Snapchat avatar?
We are quickly.
Jamie, can you give me Bill Ackman age?
Can you pull Bill Ackman age up?
Because we need to know that before.
Age 59 years old.
59 years old.
Okay.
So remember he donated to Jonathan Ross, who shot.
Renee Good, the ICE agent in Minneapolis.
Yes, he donated to the man who murdered my wife.
And then he's like, oh, I was going to donate to hers too, to be fair.
I'm a fair black man, but I ran out of time.
Why would you just not donate to neither?
So I reported, I was the first person to report that he had donated to.
So I was trying to contact him for comment, and I ran, you know, like I could run people's phone numbers and emails and see their social media accounts sometimes.
And I found his Snapchat avatar.
It's just, it's him in like a superhero costume, like a Speedo and like a Game.
It's so funny.
Of course.
Jacqueline is not saying this.
I am saying this.
To Bill Ackman's beautiful wife.
What's his beautiful wife's name again?
Neri Oxman.
To Neri Oxman.
Your husband is cheating on you.
I'm sorry.
No.
59 year old man with a Snapchat?
No, I don't agree with this.
I don't agree with that.
People are like, why did Swallow have a Snapchat?
Well, I mean, people kind of say that.
I have a Snapchat.
59 year old man.
Maybe he talks to his kids on there.
In isolation, you can have a Snapchat, but in the context of everything else, it's highly suspicious.
Niri, I'm just saying, Niri, I'm not saying he is GDNU, although I did just say that.
Let me walk that back slightly.
He might be.
And so, what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
Hit the tip line, honey.
Leave your phone number and we will perhaps.
You just want to see the orb.
I want to see the orb.
Let me see the orb.
Show me the orb.
But I told you that the tour on Twitter got deleted with no email from Twitter after I posted his letter that he sent to MIT threatening them to not talk about the orb.
Interesting.
And then we got reinstated like 24 hours later.
You know, he would call Elon High 100%.
Superhero.
Because it was like a big tweet or whatever.
So, canary mission, canary mission, canary mission.
Are like all these.
I mean, it's like Batar, too.
I mean, we don't hear so much from Batar anymore.
Well, they got in trouble.
Exactly.
So, Batar is in official trouble.
Yeah.
And aren't allowed to make threats to people anymore, I believe.
Yeah.
They're supposed to shut down operations in New York State.
What does that even mean?
I guess they could operate in other states.
I don't know.
But, like, it's kind of been unclear always what Batar's operation is.
It's not like they're doing the Batar cookout or whatever.
Their operation mostly seems to be revolving around Nirdeen Kaswani and then also just going to things and yelling at people.
Yeah.
But didn't Ron in protest of the attorney general shutting it down be like, I'm.
I'm leaving New York.
Yeah.
But they always kind of say that.
And also, like, Batar has also frequently said from their official Twitter account that Jews need to leave New York immediately.
Oh, he's just.
Well, the way I encountered Ron was many years ago during the pandemic.
He had friended me on Facebook.
This is all his fault.
And I never would have even.
And I'm like, I wasn't paying attention to him.
And I'm like, you know, people were ranting about New York was like dying during COVID.
Like New York City, and it was like, but his was like so over the top.
He was like, Everyone must leave New York, we're all gonna die.
And I was like, This guy, and I didn't know who he was.
I'm like, He was like a real estate guy.
I'm like, and that's why I was still following him all the way up until like one day I see Richie Torres at his penthouse.
I'm like, what?
And that really set me off on the Baytar world thing.
But I only followed him because he was just some guy who friended me.
And all I remembered of him was that he was screaming about leaving.
So he's been doing leaving New York forever.
And you know, we always got Richie at the penthouse.
We always got Richie at the penthouse.
It's, I mean, obviously we have not heard as much.
But now we have Irish converts to JDL.
I want to mention that.
Because I mentioned this on the podcast maybe once before, but several years in a park, I encountered in a cruising like situation.
Oh, no.
Who is that?
Cruising around.
Cruising.
Like the Al Pacino film.
What the hell the guy does in the park?
Cruising.
That means something.
You don't mean like cruising.
I mean like cruising around the park, you know, looking for guys to talk to.
Oh, okay.
I wasn't cruising, but I was cruised by a guy who was clearly cruising around this park.
With his youngish, not well, adult son in tow.
What?
I know, I found it quite strange, but I was walking by a protest, let's say, and this guy who I thought at first was Irish because he was so befreckled came up to me and he started just going crazy.
He started talking about the way I looked, he started talking about my penis, he started talking about all these kind of things.
And I said, What are you doing, man?
You look fucked up.
And I assumed he was Irish.
I assumed he was Irish.
Well, he's hard to see because of the intense reflection off of his.
It's true.
It is.
Oh, is this Ross?
I later found out his guy named Ross.
Doesn't look Irish.
I don't dispute that.
To me, the freckles.
Brace has sort of a different racial hierarchy.
I have different, I have like they live glasses for race where I can see what's in your soul.
He, and it's the freckles.
That's what confused me.
But he, you know, this guy made himself quite a big figure, the Jewish warrior, the horny vegan, going around, yelling at people.
And I see all these.
Of course, videos all the time.
I've seen this happen myself where people on the street will, this guy will walk by and for reasons unbeknownst to me, will call him a sex criminal.
And this happens, it appears to be anytime he ever goes out of his house, people yell at him and videotape themselves.
Some people say he's the revenge porn king.
Some have said this.
I've never, I've reported that others have said this.
It's been written.
It has been written in the New York Post that he's a revenge porn kingpin.
Well, that's why he got axe from Beitar because he was just, he brought too much drama.
Exactly.
He brought the heat.
Yeah.
But he has been taking a little bit of a lower Profile lately.
However, some of people that might be adjacent to these guys were recently, or at least one person, was arrested for planning to firebomom Nardine Kiswani's house where she lives with her husband and young child.
This was a member of the JDL 613 Brotherhood.
And the first thing that I noticed, because when this came out, I think I was talking to you a lot that day.
I immediately looked at all their stuff, and it's very New York hardcore oriented in its iconography.
It's a lot of graffiti script.
It's a lot of like.
And then I looked at the organization that claims the mantle of JDL itself, even though it just appears to be one lady who is a former sharp skinhead.
Which is a skinhead against racial prejudice who has decided that she's not going to be against racial prejudice.
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She's just going to be for racial prejudice against all races except for Jewish.
But isn't she mad?
She's mad.
Like they're having a turf war or a different situation.
She's like, I'm not doing JDL anymore.
She's like, I'm doing my own thing now.
Even though her JDL appears to be just a substack.
But the JDL 613 Brotherhood.
So the guy who, and people got mad at you for this, but you pointed out that the guy worked at CVS who was planning to kill Nadine.
Well, what I did was I just, whenever something happens, like a major event, like a shooting or something like that, when you're doing things quickly, a new name comes out of somebody accused of a crime.
Tell you whatever I can find, everything I can find.
Yeah.
All I could find about him was that he was a pharmacist at CVS, and I've had pictures of him at the yeshiva, you know.
And people got mad at me for saying that, like I was suggesting something.
Like I was just, you know, I'm like.
Oh, because he was going to a Hillel or something like that?
No, he was going to.
Oh, Chabad, Chabad, Chabad.
I'm sorry, that's what I meant to say.
Yeah.
And people were like, what are you trying to say?
Chabad is.
I'm like, well, I'm not saying CVS is anything either.
I was literally just telling you anything I could find.
I kind of don't find two pictures of him that I ever found.
Chabad and CVS.
That's the usual.
Yeah.
That's my two stops of the day.
But people were interested in this group, and then people noticed that the president of JDL 613 Brotherhood was a convert.
And so that was interesting.
So we're like, who's this guy?
So I wanted to try to figure out what the guy's name was.
And all I could find was that he used the name Murphy.
Because what's his name now?
It's like a very long adopted name.
It's like very long Yeshova, Yajiba, whatever.
It's like, It's like a guy who's like, give me something.
It's like Ben, Abraham.
It goes on forever.
I don't mean this in a racial way.
It does appear, it is the kind of name that if you're a Japanese guy who knows a little bit about Judaism but is trying to make a video game about a Jew, you would name your guy that.
It's like the Sleeve McDykel of the Old Testament.
And I saw he was from like central Jersey, so I've Posted on Twitter, I'm like, anyone know who's got a picture of him at like some kind of rave or something?
And his story is that he had a long, long time of drug use and that, you know, he converted and now everything is good.
He was smoking.
We covered this a little bit on the show.
We just read from his website.
I got to be honest, because as somebody who has, well, I'm not going to say if I've ever used drugs, but as somebody who used drugs for a number of years, two being heroin and methamphetamine, the fucking two of the best, I am getting.
A similar vibe from him, but we're definitely thinking this is just for me.
Physical appearances alone, he moved out of just dope, and I think that he's using other substances as well.
I'm getting a little bit of tweaker from him, but I think he's recovered now.
Well, he's in recovery.
That's good.
We don't really do we ever recover?
Who knows?
We do with the embrace of Hashem.
Um, but uh, but he there were several videos in the JDL 613 Brotherhood Telegram where I said, Well, if I didn't know better.
I would say that the man recording this video might be an active tweaker right now because of the tweaked out way that he's speaking.
We, in fact, even had to play a clip of it on this podcast because I was so aghast at somebody who is supposedly in the Jewish Defense League.
How are you supposed to defend us when you're in the back alley hitting the pookie?
It seems ridiculous to me, but he is an Irish.
Well, so then I wanted to find out who he was, and then The Guardian had a story where somebody actually pulled the LLC for the JDL 600 Brotherhood.
And now I'm forgetting what his first name is.
But somebody named Something Murphy had registered it.
And the Guardian reporter called, I need to look it up, but it's like Something Murphy.
But what is it?
It's on my Twitter.
And the Guardian reporter called him and said, You know, are you really Ben, blah, blah, blah, blah, Abraham?
And he goes, No.
So I called the reporter.
I'm like, I think he's lying.
I think he is Murphy.
Because I found his cash app where he's Murphy.
Oh, he's.
But then I confirmed it through Goodreads.
I had a Goodreads confirm.
Another Goodreads confirm?
The rarest of confirms, the Goodreads.
What was he reading?
Books about converting to Judaism, and it had his name and picture, and it's Murphy.
That's how they get you.
That's how they get you.
Michael J. Murphy.
Michael Dermot.
And yes, and the Jewish name?
It is.
Yisrael Yaakov.
Yisrael Yaakov.
Isn't there an Abraham in there too?
That's Avraham.
Yeah, the Abraham is one of them as well.
Yes, yes.
There's more names we've got.
Yeah, so he's Michael Murphy.
No, Yisrael Yaqab Ben Abraham.
Yes, yes.
Throwing them all in there.
Yeah, he's just like, that sounds Jewish enough.
It does sound quite Jewish.
But now, do you think he's a fed?
I think that he has been fed a lot of Percocet.
I don't know.
It's tough because I would assume that JDL probably does have a lot of either feds in it or.
Well, that was how they found this.
Plot.
There was a group chat somewhere.
That's what we saw in the arrest, you know, in the whatever it was.
Yeah, the guy was just talking about it.
Like, who's going to help me?
And there was a Fed in there.
Yeah.
But we don't know.
But there's another chapter of JDL in, like, I want to say Maryland or Delaware with another convert.
Yes.
So now I'm like, that's a little weird.
And then there's also a chapter in Portugal.
Because I still get.
So I'm in.
I get.
So one of my biggest.
I have so many faults.
But one of the ones that bedevils me on the daily.
Is that I will sign up for WhatsApp and Telegram channels that I actually don't want constant push app notifications for, but then be too lazy to ever turn them off and just frequently.
I think this one, my longest one has been for like six months.
This is Pens for Swords.
It's a WhatsApp Zionist one that's just always just like.
I'm still in the MedBeds Telegram channel.
And it's like, Win of the Week, NYC DOE under investigation because of our pressure.
And then it's about just basically.
Blocking college stuff.
And then I'm also in the JDL 613 Brotherhood Telegram chat.
Are you in the Brotherhood itself?
I am not.
Unfortunately, I am not in the Brotherhood itself.
But they do have a giant sale on merch that's happening right now.
What about women?
I don't think that there's.
Well, the JDL lady.
So the JDL, which the 613 Brotherhood split off from, which is like a rump JDL.
It's not the real JDL.
Yeah.
That is run by a lady, but it doesn't appear that there are a lot of JDL female members.
But can you even be in it?
The Brotherhood?
That's called the Brotherhood.
It is called the Brotherhood.
But it's also, I want to mention here.
I mean, this is just one of the most recent posts.
Like, these extremist sects, no, they're not sects.
Because, like, there's no way this guy is, like, religious and, like, And that almost doesn't matter, I think, to the extent that maybe it's like a canard, but like the most extremist political vectors that we're talking about here.
Okay, yeah, like these are crackhead Irish guys.
But like these guys' politics probably don't differ that much from like, you know, Ross Glick's, which doesn't differ that much from David Milstein.
I was just going to say that.
Exactly, which doesn't differ that much from Mark Levine, which doesn't differ that much from Marco Rubio.
Marco Rubio or President Trump being like, actually, I don't want to explain the Iran war to anybody.
Can you guys just please watch Mark Levine's show, which is what he did?
The President of the United States said that.
And so it's just crazy to me.
I don't think that there's a big future for the JDL 615 Brotherhood.
Yeah, I don't, yeah, they're not, the recruitment's down.
And to any organization that wishes to maybe deal them a final blow, just leave $15 worth of crystal meth in a bag near their headquarters and you'll cause a relapse that will probably finish the organization.
I want to go to DC for a moment.
I talk about another thing.
Do we have to?
No, we're not actually going.
We're not actually going.
We're not actually going.
We're not going to the Substack party.
Yeah, we're going to the Substack party in DC.
I want to talk about January 6th and specifically about a couple of pipe bombs that were planted.
Because that's the big unsolved mystery.
Well, now I guess allegedly going to be solved mystery from January 6th is that an unknown individual planted pipe bombs at the DNC and the RNC offices.
The night before January 6th.
It was the night before J6.
Exactly.
And there was an unknown individual creeping about with a.
With a gait, a limp perhaps.
And so, what is.
To establish ourselves here, I think we just got to get some definitions in place.
What is a gait?
It's the way one walks, one creeps or walks.
And.
Or cruises.
I've been told that a gait.
Is almost like a fingerprint.
No two people walk exactly the same.
No two footfalls land in precisely the same place.
Every man and woman's steps is like a snowflake and that they differ entirely.
No, that's a fingerprint.
This was an unsolved mystery, and there's a lot of people who were maybe did January 6 a little bit who point to the fact that the pipe bomber was never arrested as evidence that the entire thing was an orchestrated false flag.
And while there were a lot of federales there present at January 6, the reality is.
Your dumb ass went in there and was live streaming.
And that, I'm sorry, nobody made you do that.
This has been an object of great fascination to many of our political prisoners from January 6th, many of whom I met at CPAC, although it was a little dismal.
And these guys, they just complained.
It's like we're just normal men.
Yeah, it was just like, oh, it was a stand up guy or whatever.
There was a lot of these guys that were just like, January, if it wasn't for January 6th, you wouldn't be shit, brother.
But the mystery of the pipe bomber was apparently solved in the amazing pages on the web.
Web pages of the website The Blaze.
Always a junior partner to The Daily Wire and bigger than The Daily Caller, even.
The Blaze, I believe, was Glenn Beck aligned at first and now appears to have hired sort of the dregs of the gussied up alt right, various personalities that.
Really, of no consequence.
And there's like a bunch of guys.
What's that?
There's the goofiest guy.
This is so off topic, but the goofiest guy works there, Orrin McIntyre.
Have you ever seen that guy?
He's like, he's like a somehow an even more budget Curtis Garvin, whereas he just reads Curtis Garvin's blog posts and then puts them through ChatGPT and rewrites them, allegedly.
I mean, I'm not even watching this.
I'm being hyperbolic.
But he has a, he's quite an unattractive individual and he makes memes of his face that he always.
Posts whenever he thinks he's right about stuff.
It's unbearable to see.
He probably has more followers than me, too.
But he's a dark enlightenment style guy.
The Blaze published a groundbreaking article that claimed a Capitol Police officer named Shawnee Kerhoff.
Kerhoff.
Kerhoff was, September 10th, was the person who planted the pipe bombs.
This was an article by Steve Baker.
Yes.
Who himself, I believe, was arrested on January 6th or after January 6th.
What the hell is happening with this?
Baker's fascinating.
Yeah.
He was a music blogger.
And I forget the band.
Do you remember what band?
It was in the lawsuit.
And he went to January 6th.
He says, as a journalist, the feds say, as a writer, not as a journalist.
And then after that, he became, you know, a reporter focused on uncovering the feds' direction, you know, after his own experience.
And he went to the blaze, like, pretty much solely to report on, like, the conspiracies around January 6th.
And he's been doing this for a long time there.
But this was his.
Biggest moment.
So he did say that he was just there as a journalist.
Yes.
Which is contradicted by some of his statements, like when he told a TV station, I approve of what is happening here 100%.
And he wasn't like, he wasn't, not to gatekeep journalism, but he wasn't really a journalist.
He had a music blah.
He was like a boomer rocker in his life.
He was there following Ariel Pink and John Mouse.
Yeah.
I mean, he's new to me with this, so like, I don't know all his lore, but.
I mean, he's just, there's a.
He's fascinating because he like really believes in this.
Like, he actually, this is sad.
I'm not trying to make fun of it.
He actually, I actually, like, he gave himself a heart attack measuring just recently.
This is like after the story came out.
He was out there measuring, like, trying to figure out the foot, the shoe size of the bomber versus her.
He was out measuring with like a tape measure in the cold.
He's told the story.
He didn't do this before he wrote the story about the fact, because his story that he wrote was that he found a gait analyst on Twitter.
No, no, no.
He said that they had some official person who knows what they're doing do a gate analysis, but they didn't tell us who or how.
And gate analysis isn't used that way.
So, gate analysis is where you look at a guy who was walking one way and you're like, I think it's this other guy I see in the CCTV footage.
Yeah.
So, gate analysis you could use a little bit sparingly in criminal cases as a corroboration.
It's never used as a standalone.
I mean, if a guy's got one leg taller than the other, if a guy walks in an unusual way, I guess that could make sense.
But, like, The person in those videos is like walking pretty.
Yeah, it's never solely been used to identify a suspect, like ever in criminal history.
It can't be used that way.
And then they attach a number.
They said it was that the program said 94%.
They're very made for the 94%.
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And then he's like, I showed it to someone else, another expert, and he said, I'm pumping it up to 98%.
Oh, we're at 98 now.
And it's like, whenever something like that happens, it should be legally required to tell me what makes that 2% difference.
But, like, we don't even, I mean, also, it's ridiculous because they clearly had a vendetta against this officer.
So, she was like this soccer player.
She's like this cute little short haired cop lady.
And she was at January 6th, and she was one of the people who had to shoot the non lethal bullets at the advancing crowd or whatever.
So, they already dislike her for that.
And she testified in a couple of January 6th trials.
So, she was like a person on their radar.
So, apparently, Steve, we found this out this week that Steve said he was looking at some of the Capitol police officers.
And had an aha moment that he thought that she walked like the pipe bomber.
So I don't know if they ran anyone else, they just ran her.
And like, for all you know, that like one out of five people could get 94%.
What is this 94%?
What does it mean?
Is it specific?
Like, if it even exists, what is it?
I don't believe they reached out to her for comment.
No, they didn't.
It was just insane.
And she was working as a security guard, I think, or like as security at CIA.
Yeah.
Of course, that, that, again, like their conspiracy was like another mark of conspiracy, right?
Where she, you know, but she just, she had already been transferring there to be a cop at the CIA, you know, there's just the conspiracy.
Yeah, she's like standing there and be like, papers, papers, please.
Yeah, vote.
But now it's so funny.
Like, there's so many funny, like, Now, like he's continuing on, like after the huge lawsuit, a really thorough lawsuit drops, he's still going.
He's like, still, he's still all in.
You have to do that because if someone sues you, and this is true and honest advice right here, this is legal advice.
If somebody sues you, that's them showing they're afraid, right?
You're getting too close to the truth.
Yeah.
And if they're suing you, you're over the target.
You're over your, exactly.
You're over the target.
And so if they're suing you because of specific things that you said about them that perhaps misrepresent certain.
Details about their life and have caused them some kind of financial harm, that means that you're almost 96 to 98% there.
You need to keep going.
The government is going to silence Steve Baker at all costs.
And this is crazy because this is a government.
When this article came out, I followed this a little bit.
Steven Baker was like, why aren't they moving on this?
And they did move on it a little bit.
So, what happened to Mademoiselle Kirchhoff?
So, now she's suing with a really big, the same law firm that got the Dominion Fox.
Lawsuit.
So she might own the blaze.
And hopefully, I want her to call it the owls.
It's like that was her soccer team.
And she was like, I can't wear my soccer team stuff anymore.
So the owl, she just called the owl.
But Steve's still going.
And now he's saying that, you know, CBS had reported that her alibi was that she was home playing with puppies.
But Steve found out that the dog was full grown.
Yo.
I mean, that is, you know, you never forget a little baby puppy.
So that's like evidence that it's all still a conspiracy.
Because she wasn't playing with puppies, she was playing with a dog.
Yeah, and puppies is plural.
You know what?
Smoke on that for a second.
Take that into your motherfucking lungs.
But they did arrest a suspect with some more evidence.
The FBI did.
What do you mean, similar evidence?
No, with some more evidence.
Oh, some more evidence.
More evidence than gait analysis.
They had some other stuff.
Well, it is.
I do think it's crazy that, like, that shit didn't.
There was like five years where everyone was like, oh.
Yeah, I mean, why did they scramble?
I mean, who knows?
Like, I mean, sometimes cops just don't solve crimes.
They don't fucking feel like it.
I mean, like, the lawyer and serial killer, they're all fucking crazy.
Like, they could have arrested that guy, this is true, within a week of the last woman disappearing.
And they just didn't want to.
And Gilgo Beach?
Yeah.
Like, absolutely.
Like, absolutely.
They knew his car was one of the most rarest cars.
They knew his town.
They knew he was 6'5, looked like an ogre.
There's not that many.
And it was like, and I looked up the car stats.
There's like one per million people.
It was like a rare car.
And they had that the whole time.
And then, like, leadership changed and they decided they felt like, They felt like solving it.
So that happens too.
And the FBI probably has way better candy crush than NYPD.
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You know what I'm saying?
They probably got that shit where you can pay and you get extra shit.
So they arrested Brian Cole Jr.
And he confessed, but now they're using some of this Steve Baker stuff to muddy up the defense, which is interesting.
What do you mean?
They did a filing that revealed about Shawnee Kirkhoff, stuff about Shawnee Kirkhoff.
They're going to use the Shawnee Kirkhoff defense of Brian Cole Jr. now.
Interesting.
And they leaked it to Baker first, too, some of it.
So it's like, and yeah.
I mean, he's just like, the whole thing I read about him, because I didn't follow it too closely, but he's like, he's autistic.
Yeah.
He's black.
I think he's from Maryland.
Yes.
Yeah.
And so, but like, yeah, and then Baker and the conspiracists are saying, like, oh, he's too autistic to have done it.
But I happened to find his social media account.
So, Janine Pirro was like, he has no social media accounts.
So the next day I did a story.
He had a lot of social media accounts.
And he was a My Little Pony guy.
So, My Little Pony is.
Jamie, can you pull up?
What is My Little Pony?
My Little Pony MLP is a toy line and a media franchise developed by American toy company Hasbro.
It's a toy, so it's for little babies?
I think it is intended to be for children.
It's for little girls in particular?
I think that we don't say that anymore.
It's for all little children now.
It started in 1981 and it ran until 1992 in the US and 1995 globally.
And this man is an adult who likes this.
So there's a subculture called bronyism.
Bronies?
Bronies.
Bronies is the part.
Bronyism.
Bronyism.
Howard Stern had a lot of brony discourse.
I actually talked to a bronyism expert for this story.
There are.
There's academics who study brony subculture.
Well, I think it's.
So to me, brony was always kind of like a stopgap until the full adoption of furry, which I think we're at now.
So apparently, and like this is why it was stressed to me by the expert is that like most of bronies are just, it's innocent.
And then you have the fringe where it's like little sexualized bronies.
And I feel like this guy, Cole, he made some art.
He made playlists.
He made songs, AI songs.
He made fan writings.
The pony, like, so I wrote this in the New York Post and I kept going back and forth with the editor because I wanted to say that the pictures were sexual because they were.
It was like the.
Like, how so?
It was a cartoon that he drew.
It was the pony had a butt and it's going like this.
Oh, that means fuck the pony.
We know what this means.
And I'm like, that is like, no, I don't think that.
But he was like, seeing the.
He was like, oh, that's the butt?
Because we were looking at the line drawing and going back and forth.
He's like, no, that's the tail.
I'm like, no, that's the butt.
The pony is like this.
And it's like got a butt.
Like, it's like.
The pony.
Some of the ponies have big boobs.
The pony's like, where?
On their YouTube playlist of the songs.
No, but where on the pony was the boobs?
Were the boobs of the pony.
Let me ask you this.
If the pony had boobs, would it.
Is it under the neck where the boob would be on woman?
Yes.
Or is it where boob would actually be on pony?
Like udders.
Like an udder style situation.
Because I have some experience in barnyard birthing and having helped a calf come out.
I elicited a calf from its mother once.
Oh my God.
The first thing, there's a cow in this world, and the first thing that saw.
Was me going, this is disgusting.
As it stumbled out, because they can walk when they come out.
Like a lot of animals can, human beings cannot.
No, they're anthropomorphized, sexualized.
I think this guy might have wanted to have sex with my little ponies.
He wanted to make them his little ponies.
And this was on the heels of the furry Charlie Kirk thing.
So, of course, everyone's like, another furry killer.
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He didn't kill anyone.
This was a brony non killer.
Non killer.
I think there's a little bit of a, I would say the big difference, and you know, my whole thing is I'm always, I'm the most open minded man.
I'm not going to say ever because that's closed minded.
I'm allowing that maybe there could be someone who's been more open minded than me, but I am supremely open minded.
I am not buying it when anyone is like, it's not sexual.
Unless you're doing a crazy trauma thing.
I'm like, you want to fuck it a little bit.
I'm sorry.
No, but the drawings were sexual.
They're sexual.
I saw them.
And so he was, this was on like DeviantArt or something like that.
All different sites I hadn't heard of.
But some were just like YouTube playlists.
You know, some of it was lost to time.
But he also wrote fan fiction about different other things too, like other.
And like, you know, his writing, you know, he was regularly intelligent.
Like, maybe he was autistic.
Autistic, but because like now they're like, he's too intellectually disabled to have done this, and I'm like, no, I've seen his fanfic, he can he's fine.
Uh, your honor, there was just a fake book written by somebody who was non verbal autistic who got a Columbia MFA.
That's that'll don't watch those videos, that kid's hitting nothing on those buttons.
No, but I think his intelligence level is fine too.
And the bombs didn't go off, but the bombs didn't go off exactly.
And it's like, I'm sorry, it's not you know, it's a pipe bomb, he's not building a nuke here, uh, but it's funny, like, I like.
I like people when they can't get over their confirmation bias, and I see it all the time.
And to see the way they try to fix the next contracting information that comes out.
So now I saw Steve Baker.
He was like, Well, they found that Brian was searching for the bomb parts on their family computer, but the dad's a bail bondsman.
So maybe he was doing research for his clients.
Maybe he's a bail bondsman.
He's researched for his clients.
You look up why you're arresting him, what his.
Bro!
I mean, and Steve Baker should know some better because he's presumably been out on bond before.
Like, what kind of research do you have to do as a bail bondsman about bomb making if you're arresting a bomb maker?
Exactly.
You're like, oh, what am I walking into here?
Like, he's a bounty hunter?
I'm sorry.
He's not doing that.
I see those YouTube videos where the guys kind of pretend they're cops a little bit and then it's revealed they're bounty hunters and people don't actually have to go with them.
You're not doing your research here.
But you're researching the bomb parts because you're arresting a guy who made bomb.
I'm not understanding those, yeah.
I don't know.
One of the, a Bill Bondsman once did me the greatest kindness of my life, which is that we smoke a cigarette before I sign the paperwork.
And I was the.
Do you know who follows me on Twitter?
It's Dog the Bounty.
Oh my God, Dog the Bounty Hunter.
So hold on, listen to this.
Oh God.
One time he liked one of my tweets, which was like kind of an anti ice, like overreach of ice tweet, but I think he didn't understand it.
I don't know.
He just saw the word ice.
He's like, oh God.
But then someone said, no, he's mad that like ice is like biting into his market share.
So he's anti ice.
Because he wants to be ice.
It is.
You'd think, I think one of the most baffling parts of Trump 2 is dog not being prevalent, right?
I mean, dog certainly like.
Was he prevalent in Trump 1?
No, but, well, yeah, right?
Wasn't that kind of when dog was barking?
You know what I'm saying?
Like, when was dog the bounty hunter big?
Like 2012 or something?
I mean, I don't know.
It feels like a long time.
But, like, I feel like, you know, and it's tough because I mix dog's story up with Hulk's sometimes.
And so I was about to say, wasn't there a dog sex tape?
Hulk.
Wasn't there a dog N word incident?
Hulk.
And so I'm like, what did dog, but did dog the bounty hunter, Jim, can you look up if dog the bounty hunter got canceled?
He, first of all, is 73 years old.
Okay, that's why I love when they were looking, they were looking for Brian Laundrie in Florida.
And they fly him in and he's like, he's walking on this beach and it's like, he finds like a flip flop and like a Corona bottle.
He's like, I found it.
There was a man here.
What other, Jack, I mean, you always have, what other, what other, What other tidbits do you get?
Should we talk about Bob?
Bob, the salty ex?
Do we like the Bob story?
Oh, yeah.
So, what is going on here?
Because I read, there was a headline, Daily Mail, which appeared to be a DHS official.
Yeah.
I can't say I did not read the article, but a DHS official who was engaged in a sugar baby individual style relationship with an older man, face blurred.
Yes.
And he had reported her to her superiors because he's like, she ripped me off.
Yeah.
So the story was paywalled.
So a lot of people didn't.
Because when there's a paywall, people don't have time.
And you're not signing up for Daily Mail Plus.
I'm sorry.
Nobody's signing up for it.
So people were sharing it.
And then I got around the paywall and I'm like, this is actually fucked up, this story.
Right?
Like, so the story, this person who's anonymous was a guy in his late 50s.
He met the official, works counterterrorism, DHS, young woman, young pretty woman.
They meet on a hinge.
They date for several months.
She meets his daughters.
He's falling in love with her.
He takes her on lots of five star trips, buys her pocketbooks, whatever.
And he's mad.
I spent $40,000 on her in three months and she always wanted more.
$40,000 in three months?
That's what the article said.
That's nothing.
He's anonymous in the story.
Yeah.
Like, he's anonymous.
And then he says he reported her to the Inspector General of Homeland Security.
He wrote a report, a complaint.
For what?
That she had sugar daddies.
So he's like, this is a prostitute?
Or is he like, What is he alleging?
That she has sugar daddies and it's a security risk.
And.
Uh huh.
But like he was complaining about like that she ordered wagyu on the menu at the restaurant sometimes.
Like he actually detailed like that she wore it.
As an appetizer or as a main course?
So he's like, he's like, he's like, this woman is a sugar baby.
Yes.
And she has other sugar daddies.
Yes.
So it comes from like a jealousy thing.
Well, I mean, they broke up and he was very mad, I guess, mad about what he spent on her.
You know, but presumably voluntarily.
Yeah.
And they were broken up.
And he, like, so, like, you know, I'm a journalist, like, that's kind of ethically a little weird.
Like, you know, if I report on everybody's angry acts and allow them to be anonymous to like talk shit about somebody, it's kind of unethical.
Yeah.
And there was like a very thin veneer of like, but the Daily Mail always does that.
Like, same thing with like Christine Gnome's husband.
Like, it's a no security risk.
Now we can just talk about people's private sexual lives.
Security risk.
But I thought it was kind of fucked up that this guy was allowed to be anonymous.
And then he called the police because a woman out of his league didn't like him.
He called the police.
I was just like, bro, what?
Yeah.
Did you think that she was just like, you're one of the coolest.
You almost don't even seem 59 years old to me, man.
You seem like somebody I could have met at Bard.
But you found out who he is.
Yeah, because I was like, so, yeah, I was like, I wonder who this guy is.
I really thought it was just fucked up.
And then, of course, the reaction is like, Let's all laugh at a woman, and like it's just, it was just like unbridled misogyny across Twitter, you know, from liberals too, because now it's a MAGA woman, so now we can just be like, haha, woman, haha, like that's all that it comes down to.
So that's kind of my thing.
So I was like, what if you know, why should this guy be anonymous?
Let's find out who he is.
And then, um, New York Post, they like they, you know, they had to do with their version, but some of them felt the same way that like it was an icky story, you know, and so they're like, we want to find out who he is.
I'm like, say no more, I'm already trying.
So we found out who he was, a big defender.
Big defense contractor.
I feel like that's a security risk that a defense contractor is seeking out sugar babies.
He made $67 million in recent years.
Big, big money.
From defense contracts?
Defense, government, mostly Department of Defense, some other agencies.
He does IT stuff.
Isn't that like.
Are you allowed to sleep with people?
I mean, I don't know.
But I mean, the whole thing is like, it's not illegal to have your boyfriend spend money on you.
Believe me, if it was, there'd be a lot of you females in prison right now.
We would have to be giving you.
If that was illegal, a lot of you women would be getting experimental life lengthening.
Treatments to do your time.
What is this line?
People are like, what's the line?
If I don't go Dutch, I'm going to get outed.
Should I cash out someone I date for the coffee so I'm not a security arrest?
What's the line?
It's ridiculous.
I mean, well, I think it is unquestionably like it is just having a second, you know, you're a sugar baby, you're getting, there's an arrangement there, you're getting sugar, you're the baby, he's the daddy.
He violated the terms of that arrangement.
Well, they were dating, though.
Exactly.
But that's like, that's the thing about Sugar Baby it's like, you know, it's like you're dating, but it's like they're just not really dating you because they like you that much.
Yeah, but you can't, it's not something you could litigate, right?
Exactly.
Exactly.
And this is what is getting ridiculous.
And people were like opining on this as if there's some line that becomes an issue of national security and national public interest, right?
So at what point is it an allowed relationship to the Twitter masses?
Can you spend 51% more than the woman?
Just a little ridiculous.
Well, I think also it's just like, I don't think the national security, we're not, that's out the window.
You know what I mean?
Like, I'm sorry.
If you're trying to keep national security secrets, I think this might be the last administration you might want to do that in.
And I don't think that.
But we're in this realm now.
We're in this thing where people think, I don't know, like, then there was the Daily Mail story about.
Madison Sheehan, the DHS person under Gnome, and like, and then she was mean to her girlfriend, and now that was a story.
She's a lesbian?
Yeah.
But the story was written like, oh my God, she's a lesbian.
No, she was like lesbian alien panic from like 1950, like a novel.
It was like, lesbian.
Well, with the Brian Gnome one, I will say this right now.
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I have been, and I'll actually put out a call because I've been trying to approach this story, and I've been in talks with people who are practitioners of what occurred to Brian in order to do it to myself.
On the show to understand from his perspective, Wagwan.
Because to me, I'm like, what the hell?
We're getting these big old boobies.
So you're going to do the balloons?
I'm trying to do the balloons, but this is my negotiations have kind of fallen through.
Or maybe they're just busy with other people who are doing it for real.
But I'm like, to catch a balloon.
What are you going to have happen?
Like an in person sexting session?
No, no, no.
What's happening?
I want to do in person in New York City.
I don't want to do remote, although I guess, but I don't want to go get the stuff.
I want to do it in person in their dungeon.
He wasn't in dungeons?
I know, but I want to do it in the dungeon.
I'm not, because I'm obviously, he did his own thing, but I want to understand what it's like to do it in the first place, because I don't get it.
I'm going to be honest with you.
So you're going to do something totally different?
I'm not going to do something totally different.
It's the same thing, but let's be real, it's better.
You know, you're there.
But I'm not going to do something completely different.
Because he was really into texting and stuff.
Many people's sexualities these days revolve around crazy text messages they're sending.
This is a phenomenon that.
So you're going to cross dress?
Yes, yes, yeah, yeah, correct.
And I have been like a year, a year and a half ago.
I went to a spankologist in Los Angeles, an elderly gentleman who makes his money spanking.
A gentleman.
Yeah.
And he spanked me.
And I realized, I was like, you know what?
Well, I didn't really realize.
I went in thinking, this isn't for me, but I'm open minded.
And after getting spanked sexually.
But he said it wasn't sexual.
He said it wasn't sexual.
But that's part of the thing.
I was like, you know what?
I got to be honest.
I'm not feeling it, but I do want to understand what's going on here.
And for this, if a woman's bimbofying me, From her perspective, I was very interested in his perspective on a lot of things.
I'm interested in the bimbo fier's perspective on why they think people like to get bimbo fied, but I want to know what it does to me.
You know what I'm saying?
What if I like it?
I don't think I will, but what if I do?
And so I know, because it's so out, you know, there's a lot of people's, and again, I'm so open minded, but a lot of people like shit.
Like getting whipped is like, I would go to probably great lengths to avoid being whipped, right?
In any circumstances.
Being beaten, that's something that's occurred to me in my life.
Did not get an erection at any point during that.
It was, in fact, most of the time I was just like, please let this be over as soon as possible.
And it happened to me when I was a kid, too, not like from my parents.
But are you going to be honest if you like something you try once?
Yes.
Yeah, I fully will.
To let you pledge.
I fully pledge to be.
But I also want to just be like, what the fuck is.
Like, what makes a man go bimbo?
You know what I mean?
Because it's not just cross dressing.
Who goes bimbo?
It's not like in that realm.
It's in the realm.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's a cousin.
But like, The cross dressers, I've known some guys who's cross dressed, you know, and they're trying to kind of look.
Sometimes they try to look like a drag queen or something.
You're looking like a maybe exaggerated version of a woman.
Sometimes you're trying to look like a sexy lady.
But for this, the version of sexy lady.
This is more like auto.
This is more like putting on a dress or brought in secret and master.
This is like auto.
What do they call that?
This is like auto jacking off.
No, auto gynephilia.
But it's different.
Yes, I think it's a cousin to that.
But the giant boobies are what is crazy to me because you've got balloons underneath the blouse.
I just want to try it.
It's like when Bugs Bunny would dress up as a girl bunny.
No, it's not because that was Bugs Bunny.
He was doing something.
Yeah.
And first of all, that was for work.
And he looked kind of fine.
Well, everybody knows that.
He looked kind of fine.
And pause on that.
But you know what?
Actually, keep going.
We would, I think all of us, after a couple of strong carrot juices, we'd kiss Bugs.
When he's in Mufti like that.
But yeah, so, anyways, if you are a listener of the show and you are a legitimate practiser of bimbofication, a real one, and I know enough people in that world where I can check your credentials, right?
And so, if you're just trying to trick me or whatever, I'm not going to work.
Send us an email because I'll go to the dungeon and I'll fully do it.
I think you think this is, I don't think what you're talking about exists.
I think these are women who they look like bimbos themselves and they have men who are fans of them.
And he was like a regular guy who liked that look of women.
And then he just did this.
I don't know that what you're saying exists.
It might be where I have trouble finding it.
You'll find out when you hear the episode.
I've done a lot of research.
Oh, so.
Done a lot of research.
But you're right, I think, on Brian, because the women that he was.
They were just regular, like OnlyFans people.
Giant boobies.
That guy's like.
And he just went a step further over there in one of the.
Where we live is North Dakota.
The Dakota.
The Dakota, I know.
And there was a sort of heartbreaking New York Times article.
That came out of that guy who was out there to basically report on the Corey Lewandowski thing.
And it was people, I found people to be quite empathetic to him.
I'm sort of like, I thought, I'm coming, I'm just, I'm, I know no one likes it and it's whatever, right?
But like some of the stuff I think is like unethical to report on, you know?
I'm just kind of like, I kind of have, I'm kind of like very hands off with the people's personal, consensual, adult stuff in terms of like whether I think it's newsworthy or not.
I fall very far on that, to that stuff.
But are you talking about like the Corey stuff?
I'm talking about like this Madison Sheehan story, the story with the sugar daddy, like, you know, like the Madison Sheehan story is that her girlfriend said she was mean and controlling.
Nothing was criminally alleged.
Like, that's not someone should really be granted anonymity to talk about a regular adult relationship.
I'm with you on that.
I think if you're going to talk shit on your ex girlfriend on the news, I'm not even joking.
I'm like, you should be like, this is me.
Because she knows it's you.
But I just don't feel like, is it news?
You know, is it ethical?
I just, some of this is getting a little silly, you know.
Really male.
Yeah, but like, it's, I don't know.
I just think that, and I think people aren't going to like where it goes.
Like, yeah, it's funny when it's someone you don't like.
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Yeah.
But it's, I don't.
I think it goes on you are good.
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