True Anon Truth Feed - Episode 511: Haters and Losers
Aired: 2025-12-22
Duration: 02:14:21


=== Another Woke Coward (02:05) ===

[00:00:00]  Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Truan On, the number one podcast about faith, finance, and females.
[00:00:07]  We have a very special guest today.
[00:00:10]  Sorry, I got choked up thinking about Charlie.
[00:00:14]  Who?
[00:00:15]  Charlie Kirk.
[00:00:16]  That meant Charlie Brown.
[00:00:18]  It's the season.
[00:00:18]  It is the season.
[00:00:20]  And Tom McDonald, so glad to have you in studio.
[00:00:23]  Take it away.
[00:00:24]  Shot down and he was barely 31.
[00:00:27]  Another woke coward took a life with a gun.
[00:00:29]  He left behind a wife and a daughter and a son.
[00:00:32]  All he did was try to speak for all of us.
[00:00:35]  And I'm so tired of the hatred and the narratives.
[00:00:37]  The patriots ain't dangerous.
[00:00:38]  Woke people are the terrorists.
[00:00:40]  They shot and killed the fathers.
[00:00:41]  Send a message to Americans.
[00:00:43]  They ain't gonna stop until they bury us.
[00:00:45]  Dear Charlie, I don't know if you can see us now.
[00:00:48]  But if heaven has a window, I sure hope you're looking down.
[00:00:50]  Cause we ain't going quiet.
[00:00:52]  We gon' scream your name loud.
[00:00:53]  And you're gone, but I swear to God that we gon' make you proud.
[00:00:56]  We ain't back and offer giving up.
[00:00:57]  I'll preach what you taught me.
[00:00:58]  They may have killed a soldier, but that man had an army.
[00:01:01]  This is far more deep than some political parties.
[00:01:04]  And you can't kill freedom, so this one is for Charlie.
[00:01:28]  Hello, hello.
[00:01:29]  Hello.
[00:01:33]  The Wokies thought they could bury us.
[00:01:35]  They didn't know we were seeds.
[00:01:40]  The seeds that the wokies buried are water with the blood of liberty.
[00:01:45]  We are the daughters the Wokies tried to.
[00:01:47]  What is it?
[00:01:48]  We are the.
[00:01:49]  We are the daughters of the straight families the wokies couldn't turn.
[00:01:54]  Yes.
[00:01:55]  Couldn't turn bisexual over Discord.
[00:02:00]  But I lost Steam there at the end.
[00:02:01]  We lost it.
[00:02:03]  But we're back.
[00:02:04]  Hello, everyone.

=== Special Episode Announcement (06:21) ===

[00:02:05]  Hello.
[00:02:05]  I'm Liz.
[00:02:06]  My name is Brace.
[00:02:07]  I'm producer Young Chomsky.
[00:02:08]  And this is Truanon.
[00:02:10]  Hello.
[00:02:11]  Hello for Aldling Sang.
[00:02:12]  Alding Sang?
[00:02:14]  I don't.
[00:02:14]  For what?
[00:02:15]  One more time for Aldling Sang.
[00:02:17]  Nope.
[00:02:18]  Yeah, it sounds a little Chinese when I say it like that, huh?
[00:02:21]  Hey, speaking of.
[00:02:23]  Oh, shit.
[00:02:24]  You know what?
[00:02:25]  A long forgotten, wasting away in the corner, covered in dust.
[00:02:30]  It's the gong.
[00:02:34]  Here we go.
[00:02:35]  Center ourselves.
[00:02:36]  It did sound Chinese when you said it.
[00:02:38]  Welcome back.
[00:02:40]  It's because it's all messed up in our studio.
[00:02:45]  And the gong, the table that rolls, that the gong is supposed to be on is not is being utilized for something else.
[00:02:55]  That's a female observation.
[00:02:57]  Well, I set it up.
[00:02:58]  Also female.
[00:03:00]  That's a female action.
[00:03:02]  Female type thing.
[00:03:04]  Anyway, sorry, everyone.
[00:03:05]  Hello.
[00:03:08]  It is our annual haters and losers episode.
[00:03:13]  Everyone knows it.
[00:03:14]  Everyone loves it, I think.
[00:03:17]  Yeah.
[00:03:18]  I think they know it.
[00:03:19]  Yeah.
[00:03:19]  I think that one last year.
[00:03:20]  Did we even do one the year before?
[00:03:22]  We always do it.
[00:03:23]  Yeah.
[00:03:24]  And we've always done it.
[00:03:25]  Since the beginning of time, we've done it.
[00:03:28]  Until the end of time, we'll do it.
[00:03:29]  But I do want to explain.
[00:03:31]  We are the haters talking about the losers, right?
[00:03:36]  So, because we talk about actually winners and losers.
[00:03:40]  I'll be honest with you.
[00:03:42]  I forgot that it was usually haters and losers when I started making the list.
[00:03:48]  I put it as winners and losers because that's how I view the world.
[00:03:51]  But that's how we always talk about it on the haters and losers episode.
[00:03:54]  I was trying to square this circle the other night, and I couldn't make it make sense in my life.
[00:03:59]  It's a daytime activity.
[00:04:01]  I do that at night.
[00:04:02]  Things get.
[00:04:07]  I like to do this list because, as you know, I run a pseudonym for several fashion blogs where I do ins and outs and things like that.
[00:04:16]  And I just get tired of talking about trousers and pants and short pants and shorts and all that kind of stuff.
[00:04:22]  Because it's a pants-only ins and outs.
[00:04:25]  I feel like people got the shirts covered on a lot of other websites.
[00:04:28]  And those are the only two.
[00:04:29]  Those are the two genders of men's clothing.
[00:04:31]  And pants.com.
[00:04:32]  Well, I do women's pants too.
[00:04:33]  Pants.com.
[00:04:35]  Of course, my personal website has been doing very well lately.
[00:04:38]  And whatever.
[00:04:40]  Let me finish this.
[00:04:41]  We're talking about haters and losers.
[00:04:43]  Yes.
[00:04:44]  We're the haters.
[00:04:45]  You're the losers.
[00:04:47]  Just kidding, everyone.
[00:04:49]  Before we get into that, we have some business to take care of.
[00:04:52]  Number one, Brace told me that there's something called America Fest happening.
[00:04:58]  Yeah.
[00:04:59]  I didn't know about this.
[00:05:00]  Are we talking about this now?
[00:05:01]  I don't know.
[00:05:02]  You want to talk about some of it now?
[00:05:03]  Well, it plays.
[00:05:04]  Well, you know what?
[00:05:04]  It'll set us up for talking about some of our haters and losers.
[00:05:07]  Okay.
[00:05:08]  Let's set the tone.
[00:05:11]  We are going.
[00:05:12]  Actually, let's set the tone right first.
[00:05:14]  Let me reset the tone or somewhat of a pre-tone to actually set.
[00:05:18]  Today is Friday, December 19th at 3:45 in the morning.
[00:05:25]  As we throw them off the set.
[00:05:28]  As we're wanting to do every, and we're telling you from our studio in Kingston, New York.
[00:05:34]  As we're wont to do every single year, we are taking a little break starting today.
[00:05:40]  Yeah.
[00:05:41]  Which is also when the Epstein files come out.
[00:05:43]  Look, you know, we were going to, look, it was always going to end up this way.
[00:05:47]  It was always going to end up that the big tranches that the government is now legally obligated to release would be let loose while we were gone.
[00:06:01]  I like to think of it as like this.
[00:06:04]  Because we take this little break every year, this is actually cosmically why the release is happening in the first place, so that it could come out while we're taking if you know you wake up when I'm putting it down here.
[00:06:18]  Close listeners of the podcast will remember that whenever we go on vacation, something major happens.
[00:06:24]  Yes.
[00:06:26]  For example, the assassination attempt of Donald Donald Trump.
[00:06:32]  The despicable terrorist attacks on the Twin Towers.
[00:06:36]  The surprise invasion of the Soviet Union by Nazi Germany.
[00:06:42]  Pearl Harbor.
[00:06:43]  Yeah.
[00:06:43]  And let me tell you, Kalshi fucked me on that.
[00:06:47]  And who could forget the birth of Jesus Christ?
[00:06:51]  You know?
[00:06:53]  We were on a break then.
[00:06:54]  Who would have known it'd be his birthday?
[00:06:57]  But we will be back.
[00:06:58]  And you know what?
[00:06:59]  Let me, let me, it will, we actually have an episode banked, a very special episode.
[00:07:04]  A little special episode come.
[00:07:06]  It'll give me more time to read it.
[00:07:08]  It will, actually.
[00:07:09]  It will.
[00:07:09]  It will.
[00:07:09]  Because you know, we don't do, we wouldn't be able to get through those.
[00:07:13]  But as a consequence of us going on a break right now, I was not able to attend the Turning Point Action Conference party celebration, classic Irish wake for a couple of Southy guys down at the bar, the TPUSA big shindig that's happening in Arizona right now.
[00:07:38]  However, the lineup is unbelievable.
[00:07:41]  Wow.
[00:07:41]  This is my Woodstock.
[00:07:43]  I will say they really, this is big, even for them.
[00:07:48]  We're starting with Vice President Vance, of course.
[00:07:52]  The second speaker here confuses me a bit.
[00:07:56]  Well, yeah.
[00:07:58]  It appears that Charlie Kirk is slated to headline the TPUSA conference this weekend.
[00:08:04]  So I can only hope that it's hologram, Charlie, that they're bringing him out like Hologram Tupac.
[00:08:09]  Wasn't that at Coachella where they did that or something?
[00:08:11]  Yeah, and then that was kind of it for that technology.
[00:08:14]  No, there's like full-on tours of that kind of shit.
[00:08:17]  Like you can go see like hologram Buddy Holly and they like tour with the bopper like C D tier town.
[00:08:24]  Hello, baby.
[00:08:26]  I'd go to that.

=== Hologram Tupac Redux (02:12) ===

[00:08:27]  But in my head, I don't know anything about hologram technologies.
[00:08:29]  I know a lot.
[00:08:30]  In my head, it's still like old-timey.
[00:08:33]  Like it's green.
[00:08:34]  It looks like in Star Wars women.
[00:08:36]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:08:37]  Yes, exactly.
[00:08:38]  It's like green, and you can kind of see through them.
[00:08:40]  And they're sort of just like half in, half out.
[00:08:42]  Glitches in and out.
[00:08:43]  I think the pioneer of that was Will I Am when he would beam into CNN and talk about like the election of this real?
[00:08:50]  Yeah, this happened like a decade.
[00:08:52]  Well, I half am.
[00:08:53]  Yeah, he's always on the bleeding edge.
[00:08:55]  I know, Liz, but I didn't.
[00:08:57]  It didn't work.
[00:08:57]  Something was off about this.
[00:09:00]  I think Will I Am is a crazy name for yourself.
[00:09:03]  It's William.
[00:09:04]  No, but you guys don't fucking get it, do you?
[00:09:07]  It's okay.
[00:09:08]  It's William with a lot.
[00:09:10]  And then he has a couple of black eyes, the P's from the eyes throughout his name.
[00:09:15]  Where is the love brace?
[00:09:17]  I'm telling you, that song.
[00:09:18]  Where is my hug?
[00:09:20]  Well, no, we don't do that.
[00:09:22]  We're going to do that here.
[00:09:23]  Where is my hug?
[00:09:24]  Does sound like an HR violation?
[00:09:27]  No, we don't have HR, but we didn't even take those.
[00:09:30]  We should.
[00:09:31]  You can take the sexual harassment.
[00:09:33]  Did you guys take the sexual harassment?
[00:09:35]  From who?
[00:09:36]  It was easy.
[00:09:36]  Yeah.
[00:09:37]  Who?
[00:09:38]  From the state of New York.
[00:09:40]  Liz, remember from the story?
[00:09:41]  I don't live in the state of New York, so I don't go.
[00:09:42]  Okay, fair enough.
[00:09:43]  I disagree on religious grounds with much of what's presented in these classes.
[00:09:49]  I didn't take any of that shit.
[00:09:50]  Speaking of sexual harassment, I do like the idea of just going to be like, where's my hug?
[00:09:57]  Few women have attempted this.
[00:09:59]  Okay, here's the thing.
[00:10:01]  I don't know how Charlie Kirk can be headlining this because he's dead, they say.
[00:10:08]  Because Candace, maybe now she's saying that maybe he's definitely dead.
[00:10:13]  Okay.
[00:10:14]  But she says it's the fault of the next person, which is Erica Kirk.
[00:10:17]  Oh, right.
[00:10:18]  Another, I'm sure, barn burner performance from her.
[00:10:24]  It's, I mean, we really am getting sick of that lady.
[00:10:28]  Charlie's last thought.
[00:10:34]  Her eyebrows are too evil looking.
[00:10:36]  Oh, come on, Liz.
[00:10:38]  They're so arched.

=== Child's Truce Announcement (06:53) ===

[00:10:39]  Come on.
[00:10:40]  Yes, because she's frowning.
[00:10:42]  She does have kind of a frown.
[00:10:43]  Because she's squinting at Barry Weiss.
[00:10:45]  That's interesting.
[00:10:46]  She came out and she was like, she was like, I'm endorsing JD Vance for president.
[00:10:52]  Did she?
[00:10:52]  Yeah.
[00:10:53]  And it's like, why?
[00:10:56]  Yeah.
[00:10:57]  I guess why now?
[00:10:58]  We've got three more years of this thing.
[00:11:00]  She's growing her baby inside of her.
[00:11:03]  Okay.
[00:11:03]  There's like, anyway, there's a ton of people here.
[00:11:06]  I'm actually looking at the agenda.
[00:11:09]  Yeah.
[00:11:10]  Which has even more fascinating events, including breakout number one, the history they are hiding from you.
[00:11:21]  Oh, Holocaust.
[00:11:22]  In the belly of the beast, confronting and exposing Antifa.
[00:11:26]  You should go to that one.
[00:11:27]  First truths.
[00:11:28]  First truce.
[00:11:30]  That's kind of a hard thing to say.
[00:11:32]  First truce, uniting the church.
[00:11:34]  Keeping Arizona's water-free.
[00:11:37]  I thought they were going to go with weird on that one.
[00:11:40]  But then, you know, you get the classic know your First Amendment rights.
[00:11:46]  Adoption truth revealed.
[00:11:48]  It's not your grandmother's world anymore.
[00:11:51]  Oh, fuck.
[00:11:52]  I don't know what that means.
[00:11:55]  And make yourself healthy again.
[00:11:58]  A foundation to true freedom.
[00:12:00]  There's a whole panel here, the story of how we left the left.
[00:12:03]  And I do feel like there's no right-wing event without a how I left the left moment.
[00:12:11]  Yeah, whether it's a panel or a lecture or a video.
[00:12:16]  They've always got to have that.
[00:12:18]  I'm looking at the sponsors here.
[00:12:21]  And I got to tell you, I don't think that I've heard of a single one of these companies.
[00:12:25]  Urify, which appears to be a private student loan company.
[00:12:30]  Gaviti, which appears to be a blood testing, personalized healthcare company.
[00:12:38]  Oh, great.
[00:12:39]  Save the Storks, American Beverage, the Heritage Foundation.
[00:12:42]  Patriot Mobile, we love them.
[00:12:44]  But there's a little bit.
[00:12:45]  Generation Zion, they're amazing.
[00:12:47]  Although Charlie, of course, would have turned against them had they not killed him.
[00:12:50]  But Masculine Man Deodorant, which has the same logo as every Turkish barber you'll ever see.
[00:12:56]  You know what I'm talking about?
[00:12:57]  Yes.
[00:12:57]  I accidentally closed the Amfest window because I tried to click on the barber so hard.
[00:13:07]  And then it's also sponsored by TikTok, Pre-Born with an exclamation point, Rungan Z, and Goat America.
[00:13:18]  Oh, Goat and Country.
[00:13:21]  There's something called Thought Crime Live featuring Jack Pasoviak.
[00:13:27]  Oh, that's his radio show.
[00:13:30]  Oh, it's his radio show.
[00:13:32]  It's his podcast.
[00:13:33]  Yeah.
[00:13:33]  I thought it was going to be like his punk cover band of something.
[00:13:36]  He does, but it's interesting that Steve Bannon's all over this because of the, I guess, like, does anyone, because I've been trying to like check in on War Room to see if anyone's like, what's up with you at Epstein?
[00:13:47]  And it's just complete radio sounds.
[00:13:49]  That's not surprising.
[00:13:50]  Yeah.
[00:13:50]  And he's one of the headliners.
[00:13:51]  I mean, he's like, what is a row underneath?
[00:13:54]  He's right under Charlie Kirk.
[00:13:56]  You saw that Dan Bungingo is leaving the White House.
[00:14:00]  So are we doing the list yet?
[00:14:01]  No.
[00:14:02]  Because that's one of the losers.
[00:14:04]  Oh, you have him as a loser.
[00:14:05]  No, I have him as a winner.
[00:14:06]  Cash is the loser.
[00:14:07]  Cash is the loser.
[00:14:08]  Yes.
[00:14:09]  You know what?
[00:14:10]  Well, let's wait and we'll get into Dan Bungingo Go because I have thoughts on his departure from the White House.
[00:14:17]  Real quick, everyone.
[00:14:19]  I also have some news.
[00:14:21]  What is it?
[00:14:24]  Much like Mother Mary, I'm with child.
[00:14:27]  Guys, I'm having a baby.
[00:14:29]  You are?
[00:14:30]  Oh, my God.
[00:14:31]  I hadn't noticed.
[00:14:32]  This is so anticlimactic.
[00:14:35]  You're having a, I've known you've been having a baby the whole time.
[00:14:38]  I know.
[00:14:38]  But I'll be, I'll check this out.
[00:14:40]  Classic audience stand-in.
[00:14:43]  What?
[00:14:45]  I think that people know because of the live shows because obviously you couldn't hide it then.
[00:14:49]  No, I passed out things at the, at you took everyone's phone.
[00:14:52]  Like, so it's just like, listen, if you notice anything about Liz, don't comment her body.
[00:15:00]  That's nice.
[00:15:01]  Because it comes back on me.
[00:15:02]  Yeah.
[00:15:04]  I think anyone who went to our live shows, you know, you're pregnant because you said you're pregnant at the live show.
[00:15:08]  Oh, because I couldn't hide it.
[00:15:09]  And I was in a witch's costume.
[00:15:10]  That's true.
[00:15:12]  Yeah, I'm having a baby next year.
[00:15:15]  I can't wait.
[00:15:17]  It's very exciting and crazy.
[00:15:21]  Very crazy.
[00:15:22]  But we will have, I don't know, news and updates about whatever we're going to do because I'll be gone for a little bit at some point in the spring.
[00:15:32]  Three years.
[00:15:33]  Three years.
[00:15:34]  Four years.
[00:15:35]  Five years.
[00:15:36]  Until college, right?
[00:15:37]  But we're not putting them in those anymore, right?
[00:15:39]  No, no, no.
[00:15:41]  LGBT.
[00:15:43]  Yeah, well, I went to, when I went, you know, it all made sense after going to AmericaFest.
[00:15:48]  That was when you were like.
[00:15:50]  Gotta pull them.
[00:15:51]  Gotta pull them.
[00:15:53]  You are canceling any of those.
[00:15:54]  I know you have to sign up for kindergarten very early these days.
[00:15:56]  Yeah.
[00:15:57]  Canceled, homeschooled.
[00:15:59]  Canceled, homeschooled, but only with iPads and Charlie Kirk YouTubes.
[00:16:05]  I am very excited for you to have a baby because I think you'll make a very good mom in many respects.
[00:16:12]  Thanks, Brace.
[00:16:15]  But more than that, I'm excited to help you raise this child almost as if it was more my child than yours.
[00:16:24]  Oh, and impart my idea.
[00:16:26]  Uncle Brace!
[00:16:28]  Impart my ideas upon your child.
[00:16:30]  Yeah.
[00:16:31]  Like what?
[00:16:32]  Oh, things I'm cooking up.
[00:16:34]  They haven't even figured out the names for him yet.
[00:16:36]  Yeah, that new kind of math you're inventing.
[00:16:38]  Yeah.
[00:16:38]  Let me tell you, your kid is going to know a lot about the peoples of this world.
[00:16:44]  Except for that one.
[00:16:45]  Except for one.
[00:16:45]  Well, no, it'll know even more about that one.
[00:16:49]  But congratulations.
[00:16:51]  Thank you.
[00:16:52]  It's funny to like, because you guys knew, but we just didn't say anything on the podcast because we were waiting.
[00:16:57]  Yeah, it's not their fucking business.
[00:16:58]  It isn't, but now it is because now you know.
[00:17:00]  Yeah.
[00:17:01]  And, you know, things are going to be changed a little bit.
[00:17:05]  Congratulations.
[00:17:06]  Thank you.
[00:17:08]  Let's talk about some winners to give little baby, who I'm assuming you're naming Brace, a head start in life.
[00:17:15]  Because that's, I mean, that's, she hasn't promised she would, but she's definitely not said no when I've suggested it.
[00:17:23]  Big baby Brace and little baby race.
[00:17:24]  I'm just like, well, it's a baby Brace is obviously BB, of course, that works on so many levels, but also it's just like a powerful name, many say, no matter the gender.

=== Insane Winners Revealed (05:35) ===

[00:17:33]  Yeah.
[00:17:33]  Well, it's a very feminine name, too.
[00:17:36]  They actually don't say that, but pioneers, but pioneering is amazing.
[00:17:41]  You know, and pioneering something new is really amazing.
[00:17:44]  I'm going to say my winner of the year for 2025, you might disagree with this.
[00:17:49]  And this is a bit lazy of me, and I'm sorry, because this is a little like Time magazine naming.
[00:17:54]  I think that you're doing a switcheroo because this is actually a loser.
[00:17:57]  Because what you're naming are losers, but they're actually winners.
[00:18:01]  Insane people.
[00:18:03]  Yes.
[00:18:03]  Are by far the winners of 2025.
[00:18:08]  Yeah, that is a little like you, you're the person of the year.
[00:18:11]  Remember, Time Knight.
[00:18:12]  Exactly.
[00:18:13]  I know.
[00:18:13]  Wait, was that fake?
[00:18:17]  What do you mean?
[00:18:17]  It's not you, baby.
[00:18:19]  Yeah, but it said you on it.
[00:18:21]  I know.
[00:18:21]  But it said you, the royal you.
[00:18:23]  No, it was pointing to me.
[00:18:24]  It was like a mirror thing, right?
[00:18:26]  Yeah.
[00:18:27]  I don't like what you're trying to imply with that.
[00:18:29]  But I would say it's not you.
[00:18:31]  Anyone listening to this, actually, several, probably many people listening to this, judging me.
[00:18:35]  But people, I think if you are schizophrenic, functionally schizophrenic.
[00:18:43]  What is that?
[00:18:44]  Schizophrenic, but able to work?
[00:18:47]  No.
[00:18:47]  Well, that actually means several different things.
[00:18:49]  Functionally schizophrenic is in like you function with schizophrenia, which I've known many people who have, but I mean somebody who has imbided maybe so much of the world that their actions and thoughts mimic schizophrenia, even if they chemically or whatever, I don't know what makes it God, I guess, don't have it.
[00:19:08]  It's just the DSM.
[00:19:09]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:19:10]  I know, which is, which is God to some of y'all.
[00:19:14]  But I think if you're an insane person, you've had a banner year, right?
[00:19:17]  It has been a good year for insane people.
[00:19:20]  Yeah.
[00:19:21]  I don't know what that, who are you including in this?
[00:19:25]  I'm curious.
[00:19:26]  I would say almost the entirety of the American electorate.
[00:19:31]  The vast majority of non-voters, so the not electorate, and I don't just mean people who don't vote.
[00:19:37]  I mean also children there.
[00:19:39]  Anybody who uses computer for more than basically 30 minutes a day.
[00:19:42]  Pocket computer.
[00:19:43]  Or pocket.
[00:19:44]  That's computer too.
[00:19:45]  But people get.
[00:19:46]  You know what?
[00:19:46]  It's all computers.
[00:19:48]  No, we're not letting that say.
[00:19:50]  I didn't actually quote him.
[00:19:52]  I said it's all computer to me.
[00:19:56]  Insane people have, I think, once.
[00:19:58]  That's kind of saying it's all Greek to me.
[00:20:00]  I know, but this is my problem.
[00:20:02]  Sometimes if you think like, I'm like, well, I want my politics to win the day someday.
[00:20:07]  And then I realized that, like, I think I would have to make such a large investment in like TikTok bullshit, reels, bullshit in order to change a significant portion of people's minds.
[00:20:22]  Like, sometimes it just, it, it baffles me how we can get out of this horrible place that the world is in right now.
[00:20:32]  People are fucking crazy now.
[00:20:35]  And I think they are crazier than they've ever been.
[00:20:37]  You think they're getting progressively crazy?
[00:20:39]  I think right now people are, I'm sure that there is a, some time in like the 14th century when like whatever, enough crops had died off, but there was also like a stupid, people were particularly stupid for some reason.
[00:20:54]  I think there is probably a time when people were this stupid, but people couldn't talk to each other this easily.
[00:20:59]  So I think that's the, I think the problem is the mass communication.
[00:21:01]  It's the mass communication.
[00:21:10]  We really need to do something about this.
[00:21:12]  And I understand that I'm doing a podcast at this very second.
[00:21:16]  I'm take one for the team easily on that one.
[00:21:19]  Yeah.
[00:21:19]  It'll be just yourself.
[00:21:20]  We need to not, but not just me.
[00:21:22]  We need it all to go.
[00:21:23]  We need it all to go.
[00:21:25]  Unplug.
[00:21:26]  But it's like individually, it doesn't even matter.
[00:21:28]  It's just you're just one.
[00:21:29]  I mean, I think it matters for individual people.
[00:21:31]  No, I don't think people should.
[00:21:32]  Well, that's not what I meant when I said unplug.
[00:21:34]  I meant unplug the entire thing.
[00:21:36]  Yes.
[00:21:36]  But I think, although I will say, if you do find yourself becoming distressed from your use of computer, you got to stop immediately and probably totally.
[00:21:47]  But other than that, if you're an insane person, you are having an amazing, amazing year.
[00:21:52]  Everything has catered to you.
[00:21:53]  All the news has been for insane people.
[00:21:55]  All the political events, most of them have been for insane people.
[00:21:58]  And done by insane people.
[00:21:59]  And done by insane people.
[00:22:01]  Everything is based in American society.
[00:22:03]  I can't speak to everywhere, but it seems like a lot of places are pretty similar.
[00:22:07]  Everything in American society is catered to insane people now.
[00:22:11]  And so if you are an insane person, it's your world.
[00:22:19]  Now this next one.
[00:22:21]  Wait, it's not good.
[00:22:23]  What?
[00:22:23]  It's not good.
[00:22:24]  Yours?
[00:22:27]  That's not a long.
[00:22:28]  That's not.
[00:22:29]  I'm like choking myself if I do this.
[00:22:32]  You need the tremolo, though.
[00:22:38]  I want to talk about this because I don't know how to cat where to put this.
[00:22:42]  What we're talking about is the Ryan Lizza, Olivia Nuzzy, Lizza Nuzzy, Luzzy Nizza situation.
[00:22:53]  I don't think whether they're winners and losers or who's a winner, who's a loser.
[00:22:58]  Yeah.
[00:23:00]  What is your first immediate thing?
[00:23:02]  I think that we all lost.
[00:23:04]  And I will say this.

=== Lizza and Nuzzie's Media Quagmire (11:55) ===

[00:23:08]  This is something that actually Caitlin Phillips pointed out.
[00:23:10]  And I was thinking about it a lot, where she was just like, no one has written anything good about this scandal.
[00:23:17]  And I think part of it is because there was so much forced content of it from the people involved.
[00:23:28]  Right.
[00:23:28]  And she kind of brought up like these older, you know, like Maureen Dowd on Lewinsky and how like incredible those that like series of columns were in the New York Times.
[00:23:42]  So canonical.
[00:23:44]  Or, you know, like definitive sort of cultural digest pieces in, like the LRB on the phenomenon of Diana and all the scandals, like anyway, all of these sorts of like really good writing on this kind of the scandal as object, and I feel like we have kind of lost that in the media environment we're in now,
[00:24:12]  which is all a bunch of aspiring content influencers for lack of a better word and like that's why Lizz to me is like a very complicated figure where, like I don't like that we were getting so much of this story from just his perspective yeah, and yet that is what dominated, like that,
[00:24:41]  plus like just her kind of the excerpts and her media appearances are what dominated our like you know, digestion of this huge scandal and it's just like none of it like hit right, because this is all really good and in the if this in the late 90s, early 2000s media environment, this shit would have been fucking everywhere and like the only thing anyone was really talking about,
[00:25:11]  and from different angles and involving, like you know, really powerful people and so many you know interesting things.
[00:25:17]  And yet everything we got is kind of like what?
[00:25:21]  Like the writing is bad.
[00:25:23]  The writing is the writing on the writing is bad like his.
[00:25:27]  Like I mean, his sub stack apparently got like 600, seven thousand seven hundred and sixty four thousand views.
[00:25:35]  That first piece it's a lot yeah, and the whole thing kind of drip.
[00:25:43]  The way he dripped it out I found very tacky, like I don't know.
[00:25:46]  I just I don't know exactly how I feel about the whole thing, other than I feel incomplete and also frustrated that like the whole circus of it is like not like no one's doing their best work here.
[00:26:04]  So i'm not even trying to make a joke here.
[00:26:06]  I I really truly believe that the most effective way to get this story across is sort of past our reach now, because of the media environment, like you're saying.
[00:26:19]  But i'm not talking about like something highfalutin.
[00:26:22]  I think really it's like Maury or Oprah having them on one at a time, more Oprah than More and bringing out Rfk Jr at some point and healing in front of the nation.
[00:26:37]  But I also think it's like yeah, I bet there's something too about how packaged all of it is.
[00:26:43]  Now yeah, because of the media environment we're in where it's like Nuzzie doing the, the like pr rounds of the like sub stack and podcast circuit is just sort of like there's something kind of like it doesn't.
[00:27:00]  It's now, you're just kind of one of the next alt lit girls.
[00:27:05]  Like I don't know it.
[00:27:06]  There's something very I mean I don't know what people's books whatever, but I just mean like you're literally doing what are you gonna do?
[00:27:16]  Perfectly imperfect babe, like it's so.
[00:27:19]  There's something kind of like I don't know I was.
[00:27:23]  It's funny that this is, this is happening in the same year that like all of those big retrospectives on the media empires came out, whether it was like the Condé book or the Grading Carter memoir, all this stuff on like these, like the heights of These big media moguls and media culture in New York, and these big stories and all the kind of celebrity gossip that went all with it.
[00:27:51]  And we are so far from that world.
[00:27:53]  Oh, yeah.
[00:27:55]  That then to see a story that feels very perfectly of that in this new content entrepreneur influencer economy cheapen the whole thing.
[00:28:07]  Like we are, we're, we're lost.
[00:28:10]  I agree with that.
[00:28:11]  I fully agree with that.
[00:28:13]  And it's, it sucks because there is good material here to work with.
[00:28:16]  Yes.
[00:28:17]  The texts are, I mean, it's fucking RFK Jr.
[00:28:21]  Plus the Trump stuff.
[00:28:23]  Plus her as a figure in this Malibu compound.
[00:28:27]  Yes.
[00:28:28]  Going through her own sort of bizarro like Californication.
[00:28:34]  Being advised, driving around a fucking van with RFK 666 on the back with Jessica Reed Krause.
[00:28:46]  Yeah.
[00:28:47]  Her in that fucking like Mustang or whatever it was on the one with this like New York Times profile.
[00:28:54]  Like the whole thing, I don't know.
[00:28:57]  There's so much here.
[00:28:58]  Maybe someone's going to write it.
[00:29:00]  I don't know.
[00:29:00]  But I feel like also the way that media cycles work now, we're going to move past it so quickly that it's all going to get lost.
[00:29:08]  A scandal like scandals like this do not come along very often.
[00:29:13]  That's true.
[00:29:14]  But the thing is with, and I think you'd be right, maybe a decade, two decades ago.
[00:29:21]  I think a decade ago is maybe the last possible time this could have happened.
[00:29:25]  No, that's 2015.
[00:29:26]  Damn, like 15 years ago is maybe the last time this could have happened and like had any real impact.
[00:29:32]  But now it's like nobody gives a fuck.
[00:29:36]  You know what I mean?
[00:29:36]  Well, the ones that do are like, it's a very small circle.
[00:29:40]  Exactly.
[00:29:40]  There's just a million things happening all at the same time.
[00:29:43]  Everyone's just like, I don't know who Olivia.
[00:29:45]  I mean, this is a very, this is a very famous journalist, right?
[00:29:49]  Liza himself, you know, a famous journalist and a coxman.
[00:29:52]  But it's also like, yeah, I think there just needs to be someone to craft it.
[00:29:57]  Maybe someone will, but they haven't yet.
[00:30:00]  I will say the loser seems to be, there's several losers in this.
[00:30:06]  Obviously, well, I don't know, obviously, Ryan Lizza, because he probably is making some money here.
[00:30:12]  So I have a question about.
[00:30:15]  I know him quite well.
[00:30:16]  So anything that you have to ask.
[00:30:17]  Okay.
[00:30:18]  Cuckoldry.
[00:30:20]  And I'm, of course, myself.
[00:30:22]  Have been, I don't, I'm not quite sure the definition, but I've been called it many times.
[00:30:26]  So I have a question.
[00:30:28]  So part of the thrill is being publicly humiliated or no?
[00:30:35]  So cuckled is interesting because it's one of those things that, like, you know how a lot of people's fantasies are my worst nightmares?
[00:30:42]  In fact, I would say many fetishes are actually things that like are the opposite of that for me.
[00:30:46]  That's probably for a lot of people.
[00:30:47]  Probably for a lot of people.
[00:30:48]  And that's maybe it's the thrill of the, whatever.
[00:30:49]  I don't know.
[00:30:50]  Here's a fun fact.
[00:30:51]  Opposites attract.
[00:30:52]  Facts.
[00:30:53]  Facts.
[00:30:54]  Don't know where I'm going.
[00:30:55]  So I think that there's the kind of cuckolds who's like, it would do me a great honor if you'd make love to my wife.
[00:31:05]  It does sound like it's like an old English kind of style.
[00:31:09]  Due to injuries in the war, I'm unable to, but I still find satisfaction from seeing a strapping young lad do it.
[00:31:17]  And then there's people who are like, like a little bit, and obviously Louis C.K. wasn't a cuckold.
[00:31:22]  He was doing his own thing.
[00:31:24]  But like, I think that, but Louis was a big part of his thing was humiliation.
[00:31:28]  And I've always maintained that part of that humiliation sexual ritual was being on TV, having it be talked about on TV.
[00:31:36]  Sure.
[00:31:36]  Like that's part of it.
[00:31:37]  And so I think for some people, they enjoy the thrill of the cuckoldry, but they keep it in the bedroom.
[00:31:44]  And other people want it to spill out of the bedroom, perhaps in some great ivory flood on the streets.
[00:31:51]  Or into a substack.
[00:31:52]  Or into a canyon.
[00:31:54]  But yes, yeah.
[00:31:56]  Because I do feel like this is someone who was very ready and open to talk about the multiple times his fiancé cheated on him with various old men.
[00:32:10]  Well, he isn't, you know, he isn't exactly the youngest guy himself, but I mean, obviously he's the youngest tool in the shed.
[00:32:18]  No, certainly not.
[00:32:20]  But there's also, if you do a close read, or even I think a medium read there, he also, when he says stuff like, I haven't been perfect or whatever, he's obviously saying that he was cheating on her as well.
[00:32:33]  Yeah, I mean, whatever.
[00:32:34]  I don't know.
[00:32:34]  There seems to be a bit of a, I don't know.
[00:32:39]  Like he is happy to open himself up to humiliation for, maybe it's just for views and likes and retweets.
[00:32:50]  Who knows?
[00:32:50]  Well, to me, I find that more satisfying than sex.
[00:32:55]  The winner, I don't know if Nuzzie or Liza are winners or losers here.
[00:32:59]  I would say right now in the running, they're both losers.
[00:33:03]  But things could change.
[00:33:04]  I will say there is one, I think, indisputable winner here, and that's RFK Jr., who A. Still exists.
[00:33:13]  He didn't get fired or anything.
[00:33:15]  Still a cabinet member.
[00:33:17]  He's doing his thing there.
[00:33:19]  All of his wildest dreams are coming through.
[00:33:21]  Or excuse me, coming true.
[00:33:24]  And he's still married to Cheryl.
[00:33:28]  He was able to survive.
[00:33:30]  I mean to squeeze your cheeks to force open your mouth.
[00:33:33]  I'll hold open your...
[00:33:34]  What am I doing?
[00:33:35]  Joker voice?
[00:33:37]  You want to know how I got these sex?
[00:33:40]  It's also kind of weirdly like elbow.
[00:33:46]  I mean, no, I don't do it.
[00:33:49]  I mean, I mean, no.
[00:33:53]  I mean, I'm, I'm, man, I can't say this shit.
[00:34:02]  I'll hold your nose as you look at me to, look up at me to encourage you to swallow.
[00:34:06]  Don't spill a drop.
[00:34:07]  I'm a river.
[00:34:08]  You are my canyon.
[00:34:09]  I mean to flow through you, which means that he wants her to pee him out.
[00:34:12]  I mean to subdue and tame you.
[00:34:15]  I mean, I take a, this is, Liz, that's literature brain out there.
[00:34:21]  But he won.
[00:34:22]  He got all this happening.
[00:34:23]  It hasn't really affected him.
[00:34:25]  No, not at all.
[00:34:26]  He's still married to Cheryl.
[00:34:28]  He's talking about her also, by the way.
[00:34:29]  Classics say something about society.
[00:34:31]  Yep.
[00:34:32]  Well, people talk about Lizza too, but yeah.
[00:34:34]  But only because he is making people talk about him.
[00:34:36]  Hey, remember my young wife?
[00:34:38]  But Lizzie and Keith Oberman, this chick.
[00:34:41]  Oh my God, I forgot about the Oberman stuff.
[00:34:44]  So this is such a rich text.
[00:34:46]  Can somebody please do something with it?
[00:34:49]  I think maybe the thing that you need to do is do something where like you take, because there's that thing where you can do where they can look at your brain while they like ask you questions and like image it, you know what I'm saying?
[00:34:59]  Yeah.
[00:34:59]  I think they need to do that to her while like showing her a series of pictures.

=== China's Chip Challenge (14:23) ===

[00:35:03]  Super old man.
[00:35:05]  Like the kind of like Kim Kardashian thing where they're seeing if there's any activity in the frontal lobe.
[00:35:09]  Exactly.
[00:35:09]  Well, I think there's a lot of activity, but I think it's like, I don't think it's activity you'd like.
[00:35:13]  I think it could turn into a what's that movie where the ship comes back from space and it's hell on board?
[00:35:20]  Event horizon.
[00:35:21]  Event horizon.
[00:35:22]  I think it could be an event horizon situation if you show Olivia Nuzzie enough pictures of like old men.
[00:35:29]  Like if you showed Olivia Nuzzie a picture.
[00:35:31]  Exactly.
[00:35:32]  Like, if you showed her a picture of Winston Churchill at the very end of his life while doing an fMRI to her, I think we could have an Event Horizon situation on our hands.
[00:35:40]  But insert some just like withered inanimate objects, like a piece of ginger and see if that lights anything up.
[00:35:46]  I would say losers, losers, RFK Jr. winner.
[00:35:55]  All right, who do we got next?
[00:35:57]  Next, we have China. China. China. China. China. China. China.
[00:36:11]  Obviously, big winner here.
[00:36:13]  Banner year for China.
[00:36:15]  If I may be so bold, it feels to me a bit like the dragon is rising.
[00:36:23]  Or perhaps risen.
[00:36:25]  No, he slumbers yet.
[00:36:28]  But like Smile, he opens his eyes as he hears.
[00:36:32]  He hears the dwarves fiddling with his gold.
[00:36:39]  No, it was a big year for Big Dragon.
[00:36:42]  Big country.
[00:36:43]  Big country.
[00:36:45]  Big lot of people trying to keep this one going.
[00:36:49]  I mean, it's big news recently to cap off a big banner year.
[00:36:56]  And you know what?
[00:36:57]  We'd love to tell you on a big character poster.
[00:37:01]  However, due to neurological issues of not being able to read or speak Chinese, I'm unable to do that.
[00:37:11]  What are you talking about?
[00:37:12]  Big character posters, like the thing they put on the wall.
[00:37:14]  Oh, yeah, sure.
[00:37:16]  We should make some of those.
[00:37:17]  I'm forbidden from using most characters.
[00:37:21]  It just came out in this big Reuters investigation that China built a large early stage prototype of an EUV lithography machine earlier this year.
[00:37:32]  That it was just like they built it in early 2025, but now they're running all these tests.
[00:37:40]  And so EUV lithography, this is something that generates extreme ultraviolet light.
[00:37:46]  It's used.
[00:37:48]  What are you doing?
[00:37:49]  I'm making, I'm, oh, sorry.
[00:37:51]  I was actually thinking of how videos I've watched on how chips are made, and I was genuinely kind of acting it out.
[00:37:57]  You were, but that's also the motion that you do when you're talking about iPads.
[00:38:01]  Oh, I thought you were stuck in a box.
[00:38:03]  I am.
[00:38:04]  Sorry, continue.
[00:38:05]  No, the EUV, so it, it's a, um, it used, uh, it uses lithography to etch into computer chips.
[00:38:13]  Yes.
[00:38:13]  Okay.
[00:38:14]  And so it's really, um it's really important for China in trying to navigate a bunch of the sanctions on semiconductor manufacturing.
[00:38:29]  And this is a huge breakthrough.
[00:38:30]  Okay.
[00:38:31]  So it's a crazy story, actually.
[00:38:33]  This, this piece in Reuters, they talked about how they like the Chinese recruited all of these ex-ASML engineers who, and then they like, they recruited them, but also it's like through kind of like clandestine activities.
[00:38:51]  It's all very like new Cold War.
[00:38:54]  They only communicated to them in Chinese.
[00:38:57]  They like reverse engineered key elements of the entire like production chain.
[00:39:02]  And they're hoping to get chips up and running by 2028.
[00:39:07]  Other people are like, no way they could do that.
[00:39:09]  I bet they did.
[00:39:09]  Every time you say that about the Chinese, they like to do it.
[00:39:12]  Yeah.
[00:39:12]  And then they do it like earlier.
[00:39:14]  And then wait a minute.
[00:39:16]  They all said there's no way they can do this.
[00:39:20]  It's getting framed as kind of like a Huawei Manhattan project, which I think is kind of cool.
[00:39:26]  And the whole, like, it's not just like a boring sanctions, like, you know, kind of story.
[00:39:31]  They, you know, they, they go into depth about all these like ex-employees and how they were like breaking these NDAs across borders, all of these like trade secrets that were getting kind of leveraged over other people.
[00:39:45]  And then all these like counterintelligence measures that were happening in the Netherlands to try to stop this whole program from happening.
[00:39:52]  It's a totally cool story.
[00:39:53]  I should read this.
[00:39:56]  So, but anyway, so you know, on Trunan, we love talking about choke points.
[00:40:01]  Yes, it reminds me of RFK.
[00:40:04]  No.
[00:40:05]  I find the neck to be the most delightful one.
[00:40:07]  Of course, the chicken at closed second.
[00:40:12]  Can you blink if you're going to look at me like that?
[00:40:14]  Yeah.
[00:40:15]  What are you thinking about?
[00:40:16]  Just because you hold it like this?
[00:40:17]  No, we need to move on from this.
[00:40:19]  No, So EUV is a, I would say, a major choke point.
[00:40:24]  Yeah, it's like I was saying, it's like an enabling tool for mass producing these most advanced chips.
[00:40:30]  And if you can't access EUV, the whole thing is just like much slower, much more expensive, you know, much, much harder to do.
[00:40:38]  And ASML is the only company that has commercially delivered EUV scanners at scale.
[00:40:45]  And so that's why that company was like the centerpiece of the U.S. export control strategy, right?
[00:40:53]  I think we talked about that on the show like years ago during the Biden regime.
[00:40:58]  Yeah.
[00:40:59]  It's still crazy to me that people say regime like straight face.
[00:41:02]  But I know Biden should have executed.
[00:41:09]  Just keep going.
[00:41:10]  Anyway, so the U.S. since 2018, you know, they've kind of like pushed everyone, especially the Netherlands, to block all these kinds of EUV sales to China.
[00:41:21]  And in 2022, you know, we were, we like widened all of those export controls to include way more semiconductor tools.
[00:41:29]  Like this is all part of us trying to block off China from getting access to these things.
[00:41:35]  This chip's pun intended, away at the kind of core premise of the U.S.'s, you know, chip controls, right?
[00:41:44]  So if China can domesticate EUV, then they can deny access to the bottle, like what us trying to deny access to that bottleneck doesn't work.
[00:41:54]  And it's funny, this whole year, I think we've seen a lot of the unintended consequences of these sort of export control-led strategies or sanction regimes kind of coming back to like Russia, for instance.
[00:42:14]  Sure.
[00:42:14]  Yeah.
[00:42:15]  With Russia, with China, with Venezuela, even.
[00:42:20]  But just how, you know, circumventing these kind of major, I mean, they're weapons.
[00:42:30]  They are, this is weapons in our arsenal that we're using against these states, right?
[00:42:35]  But like circumventing this stuff is actually maybe a lot not easier, but we're seeing it a lot more clearly this year than we have in the past.
[00:42:48]  I mean, the other thing is the also the Chinese AI models we should mention, because that has also been a huge boom.
[00:42:57]  DeepSeek, Moonshot, all those.
[00:42:59]  China is like leading in all AI publications and patents at the moment.
[00:43:03]  And those are all open models.
[00:43:05]  We've talked about this before.
[00:43:08]  I believe we talked about this with Joe from Bloomberg.
[00:43:13]  I think we did.
[00:43:13]  Yeah.
[00:43:14]  It's the complete opposite of the U.S.-led strategy with AI, which is closed.
[00:43:20]  Everything is closed.
[00:43:20]  It's a little black box.
[00:43:22]  That's what Elon always says closed AI about open AI.
[00:43:26]  No, but it's a little black box.
[00:43:28]  And the whole idea is like, you know, may the best company have the best black box that then they can just charge subscription and rent, which is basically rent for.
[00:43:38]  And the Chinese version is much different.
[00:43:42]  It's much more similar to the way that the U.S. actually approached personal computing back in the 80s and 90s, which is.
[00:43:50]  Let's make it a cheap commodity that everyone can access and make it open.
[00:43:55]  And it's funny because it's causing like real competitive pressure on the U.S., even though I do think we don't get that perspective at all in Western media.
[00:44:08]  No, not at all.
[00:44:08]  And it's very much a kind of, I was going to try to make a Chinese wall joke, but it didn't work.
[00:44:13]  There's just like a bit of an iron curtain there.
[00:44:16]  Yeah.
[00:44:17]  Where people can't really kind of get any of that.
[00:44:20]  How about this?
[00:44:20]  It's a bit like trying to use chopsticks.
[00:44:22]  It's actually impossible if you live in America to understand what's going on with this Chinese stuff.
[00:44:29]  So it's interesting, actually, speaking of Bloomberg, this was in one of their newsletters.
[00:44:32]  They had a translation from one of Xi's recent speeches where he's talking about AI.
[00:44:40]  And this is kind of what, this is what he said.
[00:44:42]  All plans must be based on facts, aiming for solid, genuine growth without exaggeration and promoting high quality, sustainable development.
[00:44:51]  Those who act recklessly and aggressively without regard for reality, impose excessive demands or deploy resources without careful consideration must be held strictly accountable.
[00:45:04]  Developing new quality productive forces must be done in line with local conditions.
[00:45:10]  Some places, regardless of reality, blindly chase after whatever is trendy.
[00:45:16]  They see others developing chips, so they develop chips too.
[00:45:19]  They see others doing the new three and they are unwilling to fall far behind.
[00:45:25]  It's so funny, right?
[00:45:26]  I mean, it's the exact opposite of what you hear from anyone in America about the race for AI.
[00:45:32]  Well, it's also funny just about the race for like production stuff too.
[00:45:37]  And talk about the new three because the new three isn't that like all high-tech production?
[00:45:41]  Yeah.
[00:45:41]  It's like batteries and I can't think vehicles and something else.
[00:45:44]  I think solar.
[00:45:45]  And then old three is like washing machines and shit like that.
[00:45:51]  But it's like, it's like, it's the new three, you know?
[00:45:55]  It is really, and, but now, like, the whole thing in America is like, we really need to bring, we need to do the old three here.
[00:46:02]  Right.
[00:46:02]  To decouple.
[00:46:03]  To decouple.
[00:46:04]  And he's just like, you know what?
[00:46:08]  Seek truth from fact.
[00:46:10]  He's like, he's always saying that.
[00:46:11]  He is.
[00:46:12]  I mean, if you read, I read, I think, two parts of governance of China.
[00:46:18]  I don't know what parts is.
[00:46:19]  I read two books of it earlier this year.
[00:46:21]  He does just be talking like this.
[00:46:23]  Yeah.
[00:46:25]  But I do think it is striking how the complete opposite of everything you will hear from any U.S. official or U.S. like business leader.
[00:46:35]  Yeah.
[00:46:36]  Especially about AI, which is like, it doesn't say anything about, you know, that those who act recklessly and aggressively without regard for reality.
[00:46:50]  I mean, come on.
[00:46:52]  That describes basically like Sam Altman to a T, no?
[00:46:57]  Oh, well, I don't know.
[00:46:58]  I feel like Sam is really in touch with reality.
[00:47:02]  No, but yeah, I agree.
[00:47:03]  I mean, I think, I mean, Elon, for instance, like, I think the whole thing, too, is that like, and this is, again, like, I'm not a huge AI expert or anything like this, but like what I, you know, I read about this stuff sometimes, you know, and their whole thing was like, we have the competitive advantage of mere months over China.
[00:47:20]  And like almost all the writing I've read about AI is based around that fact, but that fact being true and us like always pursuing that, like part of the race is the reason we have to just stay ahead of them.
[00:47:32]  But I haven't read a whole lot of writing about like what happens if we just fall really behind them.
[00:47:36]  And I think that that will happen at some point.
[00:47:38]  Well, we're falling behind on other stuff.
[00:47:40]  I mean, because this is as this is all happening as China is consolidating full dominance in EV and solar supply chains.
[00:47:48]  Yeah.
[00:47:49]  And they've also like upgraded a ton of their own like mineral and dual use export controls like to other countries.
[00:47:56]  Although obviously that was like part of Xi and Trump's negotiation, although it's a little unclear anyway, where that went.
[00:48:05]  The whole scale of the Chinese green build out is shocking.
[00:48:09]  It's crazy.
[00:48:10]  I'm going to sound like a tooth head here, but he really does break down and, you know, has his own criticisms of the, you know, most people are like, oh, it's an overcapacity issue.
[00:48:22]  Like they produce too much.
[00:48:23]  And maybe we can get into that.
[00:48:26]  But, you know, he was kind of breaking down the sheer industrial build out of this is mind-boggling.
[00:48:37]  The first six months of 2025, they installed more than 250 gigawatts of solar, numbers so large that they basically changed the global baseline for what, quote, fast decarbonization looks like.
[00:48:50]  So they've now like set a bar that might be, that is probably impossible for other states to meet because of their own capacity.
[00:48:59]  It's shocking.
[00:49:01]  But so, you know, his perspective on the whole overcapacity thing is really interesting.
[00:49:06]  He basically points out that like, yes, there is, you know, a kind of, they've produced like 50% more PV manufacturing capacity than what some people assume we need to have in order to get to net zero.
[00:49:21]  And he's like, no, actually, that's good because that's what's needed to drive costs down.

=== Pope's Priestly Heaven (05:04) ===

[00:49:27]  Yeah.
[00:49:28]  And to kind of like speed up total electrification.
[00:49:31]  And so they're really like leading this entire global push.
[00:49:37]  And, you know, the whole thing doesn't work unless everyone and everything electrifies.
[00:49:41]  Right.
[00:49:41]  So what China's kind of built out is less a like niche success story, which again is a little bit of how it's treated in the Western press and more like the story for the global drive for a green transition.
[00:49:58]  Yeah.
[00:49:59]  And that has its own political ramifications, right?
[00:50:02]  Because it's pushing other states.
[00:50:05]  You know, it's not just that they're like selling solar panels to everybody.
[00:50:08]  It's like this is a massive story about massive industrial capacity that has basically never, that we've never seen before.
[00:50:17]  Yeah.
[00:50:18]  And but nobody, basically nobody else comes close to.
[00:50:21]  No, and never in history.
[00:50:24]  And bigger years probably to come.
[00:50:32]  Our next winner, the one and only Pope Francis.
[00:50:37]  You seem questioning.
[00:50:39]  For a second, I was like, wait, that's the old Pope.
[00:50:41]  And then I got confused.
[00:50:42]  Correct.
[00:50:43]  It is the old pope.
[00:50:45]  For he died.
[00:50:46]  Now, one of my biggest fears, as many people know, is going to hell.
[00:50:51]  And I thought of what is the best way to get to heaven?
[00:50:53]  Become Pope.
[00:50:54]  It's become the Pope.
[00:50:56]  And I was wondering what happens if you're the Pope and you die?
[00:51:00]  I guess you go to heaven and you're just like a regular priest.
[00:51:03]  But I'm like, what happens to priests in heaven?
[00:51:06]  They're probably the same.
[00:51:07]  They got, but I'm like, you know, can't you just like be normal there?
[00:51:12]  I have a question about heaven.
[00:51:15]  Can you fuck if you're a priest there?
[00:51:18]  Like finally?
[00:51:19]  No, that wasn't my question.
[00:51:23]  But good to know where your head's at.
[00:51:24]  That's a good one.
[00:51:28]  Is there like a, what's this like class society in heaven?
[00:51:33]  I bet there's some like really crazy 1970s book that's like a Marxian take on the Lucifer, the fallen angel.
[00:51:41]  No, I'm just like you're saying we've got priests in heaven.
[00:51:45]  Yeah.
[00:51:46]  Do people have jobs in heaven?
[00:51:48]  Like, what's the situation?
[00:51:49]  Nothing ever happens.
[00:51:51]  And heaven is like, to me, yeah, my job is, okay, like in the morning, I get up and I go on the roller coaster.
[00:52:04]  And then like in the afternoon, I eat crazy lobsters, like rolls and stuff like that.
[00:52:08]  And I don't even get a stomachache because of all the butter.
[00:52:11]  And then after that, I probably go to the beach for a while.
[00:52:15]  And like, there's a lifeguard probably.
[00:52:16]  There's a beach?
[00:52:17]  Yeah, dude, it's heaven.
[00:52:19]  What do you mean there's a beach?
[00:52:20]  It's heaven.
[00:52:20]  Heaven has all clouds.
[00:52:23]  Well, yeah, but you just need sand and water and the ocean or whatever.
[00:52:27]  I mean, you see you have a lake, but that's a fake beach.
[00:52:29]  And then like in the night, I go to like a Titanic ballroom, but it doesn't sink.
[00:52:35]  You know?
[00:52:36]  And then we do draw like the sex scene in the car.
[00:52:40]  And so everyone has jobs.
[00:52:41]  Like there's someone in the restaurant, you know?
[00:52:44]  So I guess it is true.
[00:52:46]  Yeah, there's jobs in heaven.
[00:52:48]  I don't know what, like, where they're from or what the people do.
[00:52:51]  Imagine if you get to heaven and then you're just like, oh, you're like, fuck, I'm still a barista.
[00:52:56]  Yeah.
[00:52:56]  They're like, you're like, you're at the pearly gates and you're like, St. Peter, sorry, why do I still have my inception piercing in?
[00:53:02]  I'm looking at my hair right now.
[00:53:04]  It's still blue.
[00:53:06]  I have a rat tail a little bit.
[00:53:08]  Like, wait, what's going on?
[00:53:09]  He's like, welcome.
[00:53:13]  You will be a barista.
[00:53:16]  We have third wave coffee up here.
[00:53:18]  You're going to be at some place called like, what are fucking coffee shops called?
[00:53:25]  You know, what are they called?
[00:53:27]  Tapioca.
[00:53:29]  You're working at tapioca now.
[00:53:31]  Yeah, I guess that's true.
[00:53:33]  Heaven has jobs, but I won't have one.
[00:53:35]  And I feel like the priest in heaven, you're kind of like, it's the ultimate.
[00:53:38]  I told you so.
[00:53:39]  So like, it's, if you're the pope and you become the priest there, it's like the ultimate.
[00:53:43]  You're like, ah, I was right.
[00:53:46]  God's real.
[00:53:47]  Heaven's real.
[00:53:48]  But all those people also thought that.
[00:53:50]  So then you can't really brag to anybody.
[00:53:52]  No, because some people I've heard can go to heaven even if they don't actually believe in God because they have an open mind.
[00:53:58]  I've heard that as well.
[00:54:04]  So our next winner, of course, and really I would say the winner of 2025 overall has to be Gamblers.
[00:54:12]  Well, a lot of them probably net loss, though, net losers.
[00:54:17]  You can't look at this on a year-by-year basis list.
[00:54:20]  But we are.
[00:54:21]  It is the 2025 haters.
[00:54:24]  I'm not saying that gamblers have won financially.
[00:54:28]  I'm saying they've won socially by being.

=== Gamblers 2025 Haters (10:54) ===

[00:54:32]  Because once upon a time, the gambler was seen as somewhat of a rascal of society.
[00:54:36]  And now he is society.
[00:54:39]  Facts.
[00:54:40]  And the world is one big casino.
[00:54:44]  And within that one big casino and within the slightly smaller but still large casino of New York City, there are even smaller but realer and more gambling-centric casinos known as casinos that are opening here in New York City, Liz.
[00:54:59]  So I think that's stupid.
[00:55:02]  Why?
[00:55:03]  Because I think that they should be in Times Square and not in Queens.
[00:55:09]  Agreed.
[00:55:10]  Fully agreed.
[00:55:11]  Fully agreed.
[00:55:12]  I think it's fucking bullshit that they're just like throwing them out in the middle of nowhere.
[00:55:16]  It's like.
[00:55:16]  I don't think Queens in the middle of nowhere.
[00:55:18]  No, but I just mean, you know, there's the one that's next to the stadium.
[00:55:21]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:55:21]  Like, I not about that.
[00:55:24]  Put him in Times Square next to that motherfucking Eminem store.
[00:55:29]  Yep.
[00:55:30]  And.
[00:55:31]  Have him be the dealer.
[00:55:33]  He would look great.
[00:55:34]  Have some of those female green ones walking around.
[00:55:36]  And like Little Spider-Man.
[00:55:38]  Oh.
[00:55:39]  How about that?
[00:55:40]  How all the Times Square.
[00:55:41]  Where's the Naked Cowboys?
[00:55:42]  How shit?
[00:55:43]  No, no, he's been, unfortunately, he's been.
[00:55:45]  What?
[00:55:47]  You don't know about this?
[00:55:48]  No, did something happen with him?
[00:55:49]  Yeah.
[00:55:50]  He died.
[00:55:51]  He got hit by a truck.
[00:55:53]  You're lying.
[00:55:53]  I'm not lying.
[00:55:54]  You seriously didn't see this?
[00:55:56]  Stop it.
[00:55:58]  It's not in the news.
[00:56:02]  I would love that.
[00:56:03]  And it was like Spider-Man is coming down upside down and he kisses you and he fucking deals you a winning hand.
[00:56:09]  No, you can't do the kiss.
[00:56:10]  I think that you couldn't do that one.
[00:56:12]  No, they could kiss you at casinos for sure.
[00:56:16]  I think that's, what I think is that the city should disperse like a limited amount of licenses per year.
[00:56:24]  You know, like how it's hard to get a liquor license in a lot of places?
[00:56:27]  Uh-huh.
[00:56:28]  Like a limited, like maybe 10 licenses, maybe not even per year, ever.
[00:56:32]  It's like taxi medallions.
[00:56:34]  For you to have a casino in your house.
[00:56:37]  No.
[00:56:38]  Or like in a storefront.
[00:56:39]  No, I don't like that.
[00:56:40]  A mini casino.
[00:56:41]  Because how come all the rich guys get to have casinos, but I can't have a casino?
[00:56:44]  I can gamble at his casino, but I can't do it at my house.
[00:56:47]  No, I don't like that.
[00:56:48]  I love it.
[00:56:48]  Well, it's not happening.
[00:56:49]  So I guess, you know, I was looking at the, of course, my homepage is set to the American Gambler Association website.
[00:56:56]  They say, and this is the American Gambler Association, so, you know, take it with a grain of salt, that 57% of all Americans participated in some form of gambling this year.
[00:57:05]  So, of course, waking up counts as gambling, right?
[00:57:07]  Because you never know what the day is going to bring.
[00:57:10]  But that's crazy.
[00:57:12]  I mean, they don't count like the stock market, do they?
[00:57:15]  I don't think so.
[00:57:17]  I don't know.
[00:57:18]  Well, they would actually want to because they'd be like, that would be much higher.
[00:57:23]  But that's fucking high, 57%.
[00:57:27]  I'm not surprised.
[00:57:28]  We're fucking inundated with it all the time.
[00:57:31]  And there's 80 billion different ways to do it.
[00:57:34]  Well, sports betting continues to get more and more and more and more popular.
[00:57:38]  I think it's the 38 states it's legal in, but it's really, it's legal everywhere.
[00:57:42]  And Kalshi has finally added combos.
[00:57:50]  Which is, you know, the best part about sports betting.
[00:57:53]  First of all, I don't like that they're calling it, they're calling it combos.
[00:57:56]  So they're like, oh, it's not a parlay.
[00:57:57]  It's a combo.
[00:57:59]  What are you, fucking fast food chain?
[00:58:01]  You can't call it a combo.
[00:58:02]  Combo is a pretzel with a filling inside that's small.
[00:58:05]  That's one kind of combo.
[00:58:07]  There's also the combo meal.
[00:58:09]  Also, when you fucking uppercut someone, then kick them.
[00:58:12]  Call it a parlay.
[00:58:14]  They can't.
[00:58:14]  They can't because their whole thing is it's not gambling.
[00:58:16]  It's like it's predicting.
[00:58:18]  Yes.
[00:58:18]  Right?
[00:58:19]  It's so crazy.
[00:58:20]  Why are people tolerating this?
[00:58:22]  Because everyone is captured and gambling.
[00:58:25]  Yes.
[00:58:25]  This is also while they're in a massive class action suit.
[00:58:30]  Yes.
[00:58:31]  Because they are participating in illegal sports betting.
[00:58:35]  Yes.
[00:58:36]  And I mean, it's just, it's so crazy to me.
[00:58:38]  I mean, it's like, this is just, I guess this is, the fucking president's son is on their board.
[00:58:43]  Like, it's like, it's so baffling to me how if you claim to care about Americans and you participate in this, like that anyone takes you seriously about anything you ever have to say ever again.
[00:58:56]  This is all that's fucking left.
[00:58:58]  You know what I keep thinking about when we had Pablo on is he was talking about the NBA fracking itself, which is just like such a good way to put what the NBA is kind of trying to do.
[00:59:11]  I think that like everything is fracking itself actually.
[00:59:15]  That all of this is just like trying to mine and mine the like very like minute, slim profits they can extract from any which way at any moment because there's just nothing fucking left.
[00:59:32]  I mean, it's so clear that like anybody who has the ability to is like looting this country.
[00:59:38]  That's the theme of the Trump administration.
[00:59:40]  Absolutely.
[00:59:41]  Absolutely is.
[00:59:43]  As this is haters and losers episode, we will say from the beginning of the year, when the Trump administration took over from Sleepy RIP, we said fucking fire sale administration.
[00:59:58]  Oh my God, we're having a fire sale.
[01:00:02]  Totally.
[01:00:03]  Everything must go.
[01:00:04]  Which, by the way, goes into the 1776 dividend that was announced, which is giving, which is the most like December to remember ass fucking ad from Mayor McChees.
[01:00:19]  Trump is giving $1,776 to every American soldier.
[01:00:24]  Yeah, American warfighter.
[01:00:26]  Let me ask you this.
[01:00:26]  I can't believe he didn't say warfighter.
[01:00:28]  I think the Coast Guard should get it.
[01:00:31]  I mean, I guess they got included.
[01:00:33]  No, but no.
[01:00:34]  I'm sorry.
[01:00:35]  Here's my question.
[01:00:37]  What's 1776 American American dollars in like, you know, let's, how many was that in Trump's first term?
[01:00:46]  That doesn't matter.
[01:00:48]  It's a number that counts, not what it means.
[01:00:50]  You know what I'm saying?
[01:00:53]  That, that to me, it's like, first of all, these guys are all spending it on car payment loans that they're paying for like, you know, their 40% loans that they've taken out for, I don't know what.
[01:01:05]  It's the classic is Dodge Charger, Dodge Charger, but they've probably got worse cars now because of the economy.
[01:01:12]  Or they're spending it on sports betting or OnlyFans or fentanyl.
[01:01:17]  That seems to be what most soldiers purchase.
[01:01:20]  Or like...
[01:01:20]  Lip filler.
[01:01:21]  Lip filler.
[01:01:22]  That's too.
[01:01:23]  We can't forget the women.
[01:01:24]  We can't forget the women.
[01:01:25]  Lip filler or nails for our female combatants out there.
[01:01:28]  And warfighters.
[01:01:30]  For our female warfighters out there.
[01:01:34]  If I was a soldier, and let me tell you, if there's any left-wing colonels listening to this.
[01:01:38]  I was a soldier.
[01:01:39]  I was a soldier.
[01:01:41]  And you were my lady.
[01:01:42]  And I was also a lady.
[01:01:45]  But then Trump 2-1 and I changed.
[01:01:48]  So Trump, if you're like a left-wing colonel out there, hit the tip line.
[01:01:56]  Do those exist?
[01:01:58]  There has to be one, right?
[01:02:00]  He just like, well, I guess I'm a, you know, I'm a colonel, but that's a great movie.
[01:02:05]  You should be the president.
[01:02:06]  I just.
[01:02:07]  Whoops, I'm a colonel.
[01:02:08]  Well, it should be like, damn, I wanted to be like a left-wing president, but I guess I'm a colonel.
[01:02:13]  Oh, no.
[01:02:14]  But I'm saying, like.
[01:02:15]  You still could be, my friend.
[01:02:17]  Still could be if you play.
[01:02:18]  I am a I'm a Svengali Machiavelli.
[01:02:22]  I'm the fucking Rasputin.
[01:02:28]  All of these foreign characters in one.
[01:02:31]  And I could get you in the White House.
[01:02:32]  I couldn't get you to win the presidency or anything there, but I could guarantee I could get you in the White House in some capacity.
[01:02:37]  I'll bet you money that I could do.
[01:02:39]  Well, there's tunnels.
[01:02:44]  You know, a dark horse winner, I have to say, would be Ghelane Maxwell.
[01:02:52]  And potentially having a big year next year.
[01:02:55]  You think so?
[01:02:56]  I don't know.
[01:02:57]  The way things are going, your prediction about her maybe getting off or getting out early, looking pretty good.
[01:03:04]  Not to shill for prediction markets because I do use them voluntarily, even though this podcast is sponsored by Polymarket Promo code polycule.
[01:03:17]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:03:18]  Promo code, yeah, FFM or MMF.
[01:03:24]  What, male, male, female?
[01:03:26]  But that's how my betting pattern's there.
[01:03:27]  It's like I got- You gotta do that in RFK.
[01:03:29]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:03:31]  You mind if one of my homies sat in with us?
[01:03:35]  Sat in.
[01:03:37]  Yeah, dude, we're old.
[01:03:40]  What do you mean, sat in?
[01:03:41]  We're old as fuck, dude.
[01:03:42]  We can't have crazy kind of.
[01:03:45]  Me and my friend are both really old.
[01:03:46]  We can't have sex any other way.
[01:03:48]  We're doing accession musicians.
[01:03:50]  We're going to take a solo over here.
[01:03:54]  Like, I need to call in some experts to improve the sexual.
[01:03:57]  This is a hit.
[01:03:57]  This is a true non-tip.
[01:03:58]  If you're bad at sex, you have to become open-minded.
[01:04:02]  For a pitch hitter.
[01:04:03]  And you got to invite some pitch hitters in so that whoever you have sex with is like, wow, that was a really great sexual experience.
[01:04:09]  But you are sort of picking on the other guy's coattails.
[01:04:14]  You know what I mean?
[01:04:14]  I guess that's what cucking is, maybe.
[01:04:16]  And also potentially rape.
[01:04:18]  No.
[01:04:20]  This is everyone's like, we're doing this.
[01:04:22]  We're having a male, male, female threesome.
[01:04:25]  But if you're calling in a pitch hitter, I'm saying, just make sure everyone knows what's going on.
[01:04:29]  Yeah, you can't be like.
[01:04:31]  That's me.
[01:04:33]  Oh, oh, you're talking about the thing where you go to the closet.
[01:04:36]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:04:37]  That's not real.
[01:04:38]  What do you mean that's not real?
[01:04:40]  Where like you go to the closet and your friend comes out of the closet and resumes having sex in your place.
[01:04:45]  None of this is real.
[01:04:46]  What are you talking about?
[01:04:48]  Yeah.
[01:04:50]  So Ghillaine Maxwell is having an amazing year.
[01:04:53]  She got to be interviewed by Todd Blanche, which is every girl's dream.
[01:04:57]  But she got put into a cushy prison.
[01:04:59]  Wait, I told you this before, but I just wanted on the record.
[01:05:01]  Todd Blanche sounds like Andy Cohen.
[01:05:05]  He does kind of sound like Andy Cohen.
[01:05:06]  He sounds like Andy Cohen.
[01:05:07]  If you go back and listen to those tapes, listen to it, he sounds exactly like Andy Cohen.
[01:05:12]  And it was like blowing my mind.
[01:05:13]  And then I had this like, oh my God, we need to get Ghillain on.
[01:05:16]  Watch what happens.
[01:05:18]  I mean, Ghelane would make an amazing real housewife.
[01:05:20]  But also, Andy would just like, I mean, she basically is a real housewife because of all of her connections to all the real housewives.

=== Aiden And Andrew (15:11) ===

[01:05:26]  Yeah.
[01:05:27]  And I will say this, if she hadn't been implicated in this, good chance she was a real housewife.
[01:05:33]  Facts.
[01:05:34]  Facts.
[01:05:35]  Well, unfortunately, the man with the money never deemed to make sure, deigned to make her a housewife.
[01:05:42]  That's true.
[01:05:43]  He kept her out in the cold.
[01:05:46]  I forgot.
[01:05:47]  I completely got derailed by all this crazy talk about threesomes you guys were having.
[01:05:52]  I think it's a good, I think that it is a good bet that Ghillain might be pardoned at some point by Trump.
[01:05:58]  Or like commuted.
[01:05:59]  Or commuted or something.
[01:06:01]  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:06:02]  Let's hedge a little bit.
[01:06:03]  Some sort of.
[01:06:04]  No, it's not hedging.
[01:06:04]  It just seems more realistic.
[01:06:06]  I don't know what hedging is.
[01:06:13]  Wait Brace The next one you have written here Just says The one and only Adolf Hitler And And you can never mistake him for anybody else.
[01:06:21]  Now, you don't agree with this?
[01:06:24]  He's a big winner of the year.
[01:06:26]  I think that the one and only Adolf Hitler's having something of a moment.
[01:06:32]  No, you disagree?
[01:06:34]  I do think Hitler's coming back a little bit.
[01:06:37]  But I thought, but that's been happening for a while, I thought.
[01:06:39]  I know, but I think Hitler is really having a good year in 2025.
[01:06:43]  Okay.
[01:06:44]  And let me explain to you why.
[01:06:45]  I think Hitler's mass acceptance by many in the streaming world has brought him a new audience.
[01:06:56]  Combined with a lot of other stuff that's like also just happening at the same time.
[01:07:00]  I think Hitler is probably more popular now among young people than he has been since, you know, 38.
[01:07:09]  He had an incident.
[01:07:10]  No, no, no, no.
[01:07:11]  Oh, yeah.
[01:07:12]  I guess young people probably were like, this guy sucks by 45, right?
[01:07:15]  But since he was alive.
[01:07:16]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:07:17]  I think Hitler's numbers in the U.S. right now, I guarantee, with young people, Hitler's polling better than ever.
[01:07:23]  I think that's probably true.
[01:07:24]  I read everything's coming up Hitler.
[01:07:26]  I mean, Hitler is, listen, and, you know, I don't judge on this show.
[01:07:31]  You know, I wasn't there.
[01:07:34]  Where?
[01:07:36]  Anywhere.
[01:07:38]  I had no involvement.
[01:07:39]  At this so-called conference, you guys are saying took place.
[01:07:42]  There's no notes for it.
[01:07:44]  Amerifest.
[01:07:45]  Yes.
[01:07:47]  Amerifest conference.
[01:07:51]  But I would say Hitler right now, I read this city journal, which I think is the Manhattan Institute.
[01:07:56]  Yes.
[01:07:56]  Shout out.
[01:07:57]  What an amazing thing.
[01:07:58]  Promo code Polycule.
[01:08:00]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:08:00]  Promo code.
[01:08:02]  I told you guys my, well, that's gossip.
[01:08:05]  I don't have permission to say it on the show, but it's a Manhattan Institute-affiliated polycule.
[01:08:14]  I told you guys what I heard.
[01:08:15]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:08:17]  But Manhattan Institute, which is a right-wing.
[01:08:20]  I would say that there's, if not Hitler guys at Manhattan Institute, I'm sure they have one or two crawling around in there.
[01:08:28]  Quite a lot of people were probably quite favorable to Mussolini or perhaps Francisco Franco.
[01:08:35]  Anyone who says they like Franco doesn't know anything about Manhattan.
[01:08:38]  It's like, shut the fuck up.
[01:08:39]  I'm like, that's you thinking that you're being the like, like, oh, everyone says they like this band, but I like this other band.
[01:08:46]  Yeah.
[01:08:47]  It's like, you don't know anything about Franco.
[01:08:49]  No, you, and he was like, it's like what you want to, you worship a Cadillo or whatever.
[01:08:54]  Like, Franco was multi-culti, first of all.
[01:08:58]  And also, like, so recent.
[01:09:00]  I just like, I don't know.
[01:09:01]  I feel like people, like, I mean, he was online for a long time, really, like, lump them together.
[01:09:06]  He's woke Hitler.
[01:09:07]  No, I'm sorry.
[01:09:08]  He's woke Mussolini.
[01:09:09]  And a lot, anybody who tells you they like they like Franco.
[01:09:13]  He's not woke Hitler.
[01:09:14]  It's like, I guess if you're a Spanish right-wing guy and you like Franco, it's because he's your main right-wing guy, right?
[01:09:20]  Yeah, and that's your culture.
[01:09:22]  What culture?
[01:09:23]  But I kid.
[01:09:24]  Right-wing Spanish culture.
[01:09:26]  That's true.
[01:09:26]  Which is really amazing.
[01:09:29]  But like, but if you're like an American guy.
[01:09:33]  Yeah, and you think you're being like fucking like niche and esoteric by being like Franco?
[01:09:38]  You know, actually, Franco is like pretty interesting.
[01:09:41]  Shut the fuck up.
[01:09:41]  No, he's not.
[01:09:42]  He's not.
[01:09:43]  He's not.
[01:09:43]  The one interesting thing about Franco is that he kind of neutralized everyone in his coalition, but he didn't do it in a way that was like crazy.
[01:09:52]  He just did it in a way that was effective, I guess.
[01:09:56]  He, you know, he was kind of just like a fucking piggy slob who left much of his day-to-day business to technocrats.
[01:10:04]  Yes.
[01:10:04]  And it's telling that the second he died, that shit was over.
[01:10:10]  Yes.
[01:10:10]  That shit was over.
[01:10:11]  People were not, they didn't want another Franco.
[01:10:13]  They were like, no, we want, you know, the, I think it was the conservatives first and then they're, of course, even ironically, every social democratic party in Europe is more Hitlerian than Hitler himself.
[01:10:28]  And so if Franco had just seen the future augured a little more effectively, he would have retired, I guess, around the mid-1970s and let the PSOE take his place.
[01:10:40]  And because he could let a thousand Hitlers bloom.
[01:10:43]  But yeah.
[01:10:44]  So anyways, the Manhattan Institute, Franco worshiping, I'm sure.
[01:10:48]  They interview a bunch of Gen Z people.
[01:10:49]  I just read this today.
[01:10:51]  And a bunch of them are like, oh, one of the questions is, what do you think of Hitler?
[01:10:55]  And a bunch of them are like, I think he's pretty good.
[01:10:57]  You know?
[01:10:58]  Strong executive.
[01:10:58]  I don't like the genocide stuff, but I think he's pretty good.
[01:11:01]  And so as anybody knows who a strong executive.
[01:11:06]  You can't say that's not true.
[01:11:08]  He had a really strong executive.
[01:11:10]  It's just a very weird way to put it.
[01:11:12]  It's very clear that all of them are parodied shit they just saw last week.
[01:11:16]  Of course.
[01:11:16]  You know, like everybody does.
[01:11:18]  But I got to tell you, the wrong Republicans group chat scandal.
[01:11:22]  Sure.
[01:11:22]  Big.
[01:11:23]  Big moment for Hitler.
[01:11:24]  Big moment for Hitler.
[01:11:25]  Oh, guess he's still canceled.
[01:11:27]  Right.
[01:11:27]  He didn't have a little Louis C.K. moment.
[01:11:30]  Is Louis C.K. still canceled, maybe?
[01:11:33]  People, you know, so many people are still trying to figure that one out.
[01:11:36]  It's true.
[01:11:37]  It's the enigma of the age.
[01:11:40]  Paul Ingracia, who described himself, I believe, as Hitler-like, was asked, I think, withdrew, his nomination was withdrawn.
[01:11:47]  He was given another job in the Trump administration.
[01:11:50]  And, of course, the behavior of the amazing state of Israel.
[01:11:53]  Sure.
[01:11:54]  I'll tell you this.
[01:11:55]  My prediction that we are building, and I can tell this is coming, America is building black Hitler.
[01:12:01]  It will come.
[01:12:02]  It's Liberal Hitler.
[01:12:03]  It's well, no, we're building Liberal Hitler, too.
[01:12:06]  There's a lot of Hitler's in the works.
[01:12:08]  I genuinely think that Liberal Hitler is on the table for 2028.
[01:12:15]  You think Newsom's going to be Liberal Hitler?
[01:12:18]  I think that he is one of the most likely of them to not back down from using a lot of the executive powers that Trump has also been using.
[01:12:32]  Yeah, I could see that.
[01:12:34]  Do you know what I'm saying?
[01:12:35]  I don't see him being liberal Hitler, though, because I don't think he's of iron will enough.
[01:12:40]  But I think that he is the most likely, as it stands now, to make arrests.
[01:12:46]  Yeah, I could just see him being like, we are actually, I'm going to do abundance by fiat.
[01:12:52]  Yeah.
[01:12:53]  Okay, I could see that.
[01:12:54]  Yeah, I could see that.
[01:12:55]  That kind of stuff.
[01:12:56]  Yeah.
[01:12:56]  And like really sort of continuing the consolidation of the executive.
[01:13:02]  That's been a long sort of trend in American governance.
[01:13:06]  Well, I don't know if Gavin Newsom would have voted for Hitler.
[01:13:10]  I believe firmly that Hitler would vote for Gavin Newsom.
[01:13:13]  I love that.
[01:13:15]  Also, we had the big scandal with the anti-Semitic touchdown dance on Aiden Ross's stream.
[01:13:23]  Could you do that dance for me?
[01:13:24]  Because you were doing it before we did the show.
[01:13:26]  So, Liz, explain to me in your own words.
[01:13:28]  Don't look at your computer, even though there's no notes on this, but just don't look at your computer in case someone's sending you notes on this.
[01:13:33]  Who is Aiden Ross?
[01:13:35]  He's a streamer.
[01:13:37]  I need more than that.
[01:13:38]  Content creator.
[01:13:40]  Nope.
[01:13:40]  I need something that's not a synonym.
[01:13:41]  I need a full sentence.
[01:13:43]  And a gamer.
[01:13:44]  Not a way I would describe Aiden Ross exactly.
[01:13:47]  Whose friend Baron Trump helped him get Donald Trump on his stream?
[01:13:54]  Where he gave Donald Trump a handshake.
[01:14:00]  Well, that is technically true, but he also gave him, I think, a wrapped cyber truck.
[01:14:03]  Yeah.
[01:14:04]  Oh, okay.
[01:14:05]  So, Aiden Ross, can I play you a clip, Liz, that will describe Aiden Ross?
[01:14:10]  What does a fascist mean?
[01:14:14]  It means you are a far-right authorization on my God.
[01:14:24]  Ultra-analatist, analyst, political ideology movement characterized by dictator leadership, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression, suppression of opposition.
[01:14:37]  So I don't know what that means, right?
[01:14:38]  I swear to God.
[01:14:39]  I don't know what the fuck a fascism is.
[01:14:40]  I don't know what the fuck that is.
[01:14:42]  Benito Mazzulli and Givente Genitile and Jason Stanley.
[01:14:48]  Like, who the fuck are these people, bro?
[01:14:49]  Never heard of my fucking life.
[01:14:51]  What is an example of a fascist?
[01:14:54]  Yo!
[01:14:57]  For those, of course, who can't see that, the name Adolf Hitler came up.
[01:15:02]  That is Aiden Ross in a nutshell.
[01:15:04]  He is, I believe, Jewish, although he's claimed to be many different religions at various points.
[01:15:08]  By the name being Aiden Ross and his demeanor, obviously, we call you the Polish bloodhound.
[01:15:15]  You can tell that he's Jewish.
[01:15:17]  He hangs out.
[01:15:20]  He was hanging out with Nick Fuentes for a while, and a lot of his fans are quite, I believe, racially aware.
[01:15:27]  Let's put it like that.
[01:15:29]  And I guess he developed a dance, which is this.
[01:15:33]  It's the greedy Jew.
[01:15:36]  I didn't know there was a full dance to go along with that.
[01:15:38]  And so what did he, he made it, he asked a football player to do this?
[01:15:41]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:15:42]  From the Rams.
[01:15:43]  He was like, will you do it on?
[01:15:44]  And the guy did it on the stream.
[01:15:45]  And then he was like, you should do it on his actual touchdown dance.
[01:15:48]  He was like, okay.
[01:15:50]  And then he just got, I think he got suspended for like two games, maybe.
[01:15:53]  I can't remember.
[01:15:55]  But anyway, everything's coming up, Hitler.
[01:15:58]  Everything is coming up.
[01:15:59]  Hitler still canceled.
[01:16:01]  We're working on it, though.
[01:16:11]  Wait, but you already mentioned the next winner, Nick Fuentes.
[01:16:14]  Yeah.
[01:16:14]  And I think it's one of the undisputed, really winners.
[01:16:18]  No one can argue with this.
[01:16:19]  Nick Fuentes has been one of the big winners of 2025.
[01:16:22]  Yeah.
[01:16:23]  You know, he's been hanging out with some of my goats for a while.
[01:16:27]  Obviously, we're all very familiar with Fresh and Fit here.
[01:16:31]  I feel like Fresh and Fit.
[01:16:32]  I feel like Fresh and Fit fell off.
[01:16:35]  They very much fell off.
[01:16:36]  And you know who else fell off?
[01:16:37]  I feel like Andrew Tate really fell off.
[01:16:39]  You know?
[01:16:40]  Good.
[01:16:41]  You were seeing him everywhere for a second.
[01:16:42]  Now it's just like.
[01:16:43]  Maybe the same thing will happen with Fuentes.
[01:16:45]  Maybe.
[01:16:46]  But I think he's got a little more legs.
[01:16:48]  Fresh and Fit.
[01:16:50]  Is he taller than Andrew Tate?
[01:16:52]  No, he has very small legs.
[01:16:55]  So does Andrew Tate.
[01:16:57]  Andrew Tate's body, man, is crazy looking.
[01:17:01]  How would you describe it?
[01:17:03]  I love when men, I guess.
[01:17:06]  Serpent.
[01:17:07]  Well, he's quite oiled many times I've seen him.
[01:17:09]  He's a greasy fellow.
[01:17:11]  Yes, yes.
[01:17:12]  He's quite oiled.
[01:17:14]  Hairless is the thing that comes to mind.
[01:17:16]  Yeah, lasered.
[01:17:17]  Chiseled.
[01:17:19]  He's chiseled.
[01:17:20]  He's chiseled.
[01:17:21]  Let's give it to him.
[01:17:22]  He's chiseled.
[01:17:23]  I feel like chiseled isn't what I would use.
[01:17:25]  The thing is, and this is, again, this is my problem with short guys who get really in shape.
[01:17:31]  Andrew Tate is really ugly.
[01:17:33]  Like, his face is ugly.
[01:17:34]  I think that that's, and I'm not saying this from a position of, I think I'm so handsome here.
[01:17:41]  I'm just saying that objectively, by many metrics, Andrew Tate's face is pretty ugly.
[01:17:45]  Right.
[01:17:46]  And when you get in really good shape, it can oftentimes draw attention to the fact that your fucking shit is weird looking too.
[01:17:54]  And so my suggestion to Andrew Tate is this.
[01:17:58]  Get like surgery, get Chad surgery.
[01:18:04]  If Andrew Tate was given a Matt Rifey image legs.
[01:18:08]  Oh, wait.
[01:18:09]  Everything.
[01:18:10]  Implants on the legs, face surgery.
[01:18:13]  I've been watching this streamer called Clavicular a lot, which I think I explained to you a little bit.
[01:18:17]  I think you need to collab with Clavicular.
[01:18:20]  Is that really his name?
[01:18:22]  It's his name.
[01:18:22]  It's Clavicular.
[01:18:24]  You want to see what Clavicular looks like?
[01:18:26]  Just look up Clavicular.
[01:18:27]  King Clavicular?
[01:18:29]  Oh, yeah, he does look, he did get Chad surgery, huh?
[01:18:32]  Yeah.
[01:18:32]  Yeah.
[01:18:32]  I mean, I don't know.
[01:18:33]  I think he's been like breaking his face a lot.
[01:18:35]  But Andrew, you need to get with this, with this, this young cat, Clavicular.
[01:18:40]  You looked at it?
[01:18:42]  Yeah, there's like some video breaking down his extreme looks maxing.
[01:18:46]  So my suggestion is bookmark for watch later.
[01:18:49]  Okay.
[01:18:49]  And then watch that motherfucker on the train home on the iPad, Fulval.
[01:18:53]  Yum.
[01:18:54]  Actually, through the Bluetooth pill.
[01:18:55]  Hang that motherfucker up on the train seat.
[01:18:57]  And we put that.
[01:18:58]  But that's a winner of the year.
[01:19:00]  People who play music on their phones.
[01:19:04]  Or my other favorite, people who just walk down the street or on the train with a boombox.
[01:19:09]  I like talking on the phone on the train in the subways, so it gets stopped every I do on speaker.
[01:19:15]  And I go, wait, sorry, I'm on the train.
[01:19:17]  I think you're cutting out.
[01:19:18]  No, this is what I mean.
[01:19:20]  It's an incredible year for insane people.
[01:19:22]  Because the reality is, is if you're doing something that disruptive and anti-social in public, it is anti-social.
[01:19:28]  You are not only doing that because you find it for some reason satisfying because you yourself are a fundamentally anti-social person, but you're also looking for a fight because you want me to come over there and say, excuse me, sir, will you shut the fuck up?
[01:19:44]  And when I say that, you're going to go crazy and make some big fucking scene.
[01:19:49]  I'm just sick of it.
[01:19:51]  Just get some fucking motherfucking headphones.
[01:19:53]  Just get some ad.
[01:19:54]  You know what?
[01:19:54]  Use mine.
[01:19:56]  I'll use the other one.
[01:19:57]  We'll listen together.
[01:19:58]  Hey, that's nice.
[01:20:00]  Put on the Adam Friedland show.
[01:20:01]  Yeah.
[01:20:02]  Yeah.
[01:20:03]  Check this guy out and they're like, God, I love Hitler now.
[01:20:08]  Nick Fuentes is the, I would say, the big winner.
[01:20:11]  So he was getting, he was getting, I think, a little bit, mainstream is definitely not the right way to put it, but he was sort of dabbling with like streamer Miami guys for a little bit.
[01:20:20]  Yeah.
[01:20:20]  And then he sort of broke out of that this year to dabble with.
[01:20:24]  Well, the new Charlie Kirk was named.
[01:20:27]  They did name a new Charlie Kirk.
[01:20:29]  Do you think the new Charlie Kirk's Nick Fuentes?
[01:20:31]  No, but I do think that his rise coincided with Charlie's doom demise.

=== Hayden McDougal's Nazi Cosplay (15:18) ===

[01:20:37]  I mean, I think it was like he was crested.
[01:20:40]  One was going on the up escalator while the other one was going on the down escalator.
[01:20:44]  Nope.
[01:20:44]  One was, nope.
[01:20:45]  I really have to, I really have to disagree with you on that.
[01:20:49]  One was going on the up escalator and then the other one was perished and he went on an even upper escalator up into heaven.
[01:20:56]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:20:57]  But I just think that, yeah, because it all started, everyone started talking about Nick literally right when Charlie died.
[01:21:06]  Yes.
[01:21:07]  And that's when you got like all of those kind of glossy profiles.
[01:21:11]  He's had this podcast block for five years.
[01:21:14]  Us?
[01:21:15]  Yes.
[01:21:17]  It sucks, man.
[01:21:19]  Why?
[01:21:19]  I'm trying to send a picture of my wiener.
[01:21:23]  What?
[01:21:25]  I shouldn't.
[01:21:26]  I feel like he'd be into that.
[01:21:27]  I know.
[01:21:28]  Well, that's what I have.
[01:21:29]  Yeah.
[01:21:30]  So I think, obviously, Nick is very, he's one of the biggest content creators on the right, responsible, I think, and well, I don't know, responsible directly, but responsible for much of the reason why every Republican under 30 loves the one and only Adolf Hitler now.
[01:21:46]  Did you see the New York Young Republicans gala from the other night?
[01:21:50]  No.
[01:21:51]  Liz.
[01:21:54]  I'm taking off my glasses, but now I'm putting Bam back on and putting them halfway down my nose.
[01:21:59]  I'm Schumering a little bit here.
[01:22:00]  You got a Schumer.
[01:22:00]  You got a Schumer to stave off the rise of Adolf Hitler.
[01:22:03]  Liz, this was...
[01:22:04]  Or to accelerate it.
[01:22:06]  I would say Schumer probably accelerates it.
[01:22:09]  Yeah, I would say Schumer is probably in the Hitler acceleration camp.
[01:22:14]  Liz, as you know, I am an ex-conservative.
[01:22:18]  Now I would say politically homeless.
[01:22:20]  Both parties are crazy.
[01:22:22]  Everybody's crazy, you know.
[01:22:24]  But I'm a conservative still in many ways and certainly a member of the GOP.
[01:22:28]  And I was aghast at what my party is becoming.
[01:22:31]  So the New York Young Republicans, which actually has beef with these statewide young Republicans, although listen, I guess the difference there.
[01:22:40]  It's like a chapter, basically.
[01:22:41]  No, no, I know, but like in culture.
[01:22:44]  Hitler is very popular within the New York City young Republicans.
[01:22:47]  In the state, they're like, no, we're serious because we're not.
[01:22:49]  They're like, we like Franco.
[01:22:52]  No, I think Hitler's probably responding.
[01:22:54]  I think it's just, it's probably, I don't know how the chapters work in this motherfucker.
[01:22:59]  But I mean, obviously, a lot of those leaked text messages about how much they love Hitler.
[01:23:03]  Sure.
[01:23:03]  Came from young Republicans' group chats earlier this year.
[01:23:07]  And actually, that was apparently those were leaked by former New York Young Republicans, New York City Young Republicans president, Gavin Wax, who is now like public enemy number one for like the based right-wing Groypers.
[01:23:18]  He's going to pen a how I, why I left the right.
[01:23:23]  You know, I texted him.
[01:23:25]  He didn't text me back.
[01:23:26]  He didn't text me back.
[01:23:27]  I was like, you know, I was like, I'm a base conservative, but not that based.
[01:23:30]  Let's talk.
[01:23:31]  And then nothing.
[01:23:33]  But that's what I, that's what I get for texting a guy, which I'm forbidden by law from doing.
[01:23:38]  And so the New York Young Republicans galley the other night, I think, is a really good example of sort of how Fuentesism has gotten very big on the right.
[01:23:47]  So featured appearances from Sneeko.
[01:23:51]  Sure.
[01:23:52]  White nationalist Jared Taylor, which I was actually really shocked by because he's one of the most famous white nationalists in America.
[01:23:59]  I don't know who that is.
[01:24:00]  He's like an old guy.
[01:24:01]  He's like, what man?
[01:24:03]  He says that.
[01:24:04]  He's like, what man, wake up.
[01:24:07]  He's a member of the Christmas.
[01:24:08]  What was that?
[01:24:09]  Adventures.
[01:24:10]  The Christmas Adventures.
[01:24:11]  He's a little bit, no, he kind of reminds me of what's a cartoon character who whistles when he says W's.
[01:24:15]  He's like, I can't do it.
[01:24:17]  But he's like, what man?
[01:24:19]  Dreaming of a hot Christmas.
[01:24:21]  But he's like a big, like, identifiable.
[01:24:23]  That guy is not like a conservative guy who has some based opinion.
[01:24:26]  He is like.
[01:24:27]  Strom Thurmond.
[01:24:28]  But no, beyond Strom Thurmond.
[01:24:30]  I guess Strom.
[01:24:31]  But Strom Thurmond was in office.
[01:24:32]  So I guess, yeah, he's an average Republican.
[01:24:35]  But he is like a full-on white nationalist, like not any.
[01:24:40]  There's no like dissident bullshit.
[01:24:43]  You can pretend that they can cloak himself in.
[01:24:46]  Benny Johnson, fresh off of being accused from all sides of being gay, I believe.
[01:24:52]  Also part of America First Fest or whatever it's called or Amerifest.
[01:24:56]  Wherever Sniffies takes him, you know?
[01:25:00]  Two members of Alternative for Deutschland.
[01:25:04]  A guy named Matan, who is a like, I believe, dwarf, like French guy who gained notoriety by interrupting the video game awards ceremony or a video game awards ceremony several years ago and like being based or whatever, and now has like some shitty podcast I don't know, but he seems I.
[01:25:23]  I watched part of his speech and it was clear that like oh, this doesn't translate, these are trash people.
[01:25:28]  Yes, this is kind of what i'm getting at, a transracial only fans model who films herself smoking methamphetamine.
[01:25:36]  Come on man, this is like bum fights, it is, it is straight up.
[01:25:41]  It is straight up bum fights.
[01:25:43]  And they can't even get enough white men to be bum fight.
[01:25:46]  They have to.
[01:25:47]  That's the whole thing about being a Nazi.
[01:25:49]  Now, is that you're not white?
[01:25:50]  Yeah yeah, that's true, you're not white and you hang out with like cartoonish people of color.
[01:25:56]  You know they all talk about white power, but no one's white.
[01:26:00]  Yeah, I mean this is.
[01:26:01]  I'm saying it's like.
[01:26:02]  It's like Sneek, like he's like his big thing is anti-semitism, because it can't be.
[01:26:06]  He'll never be white.
[01:26:06]  You'll never be white.
[01:26:08]  Um, and it's it.
[01:26:10]  I think that's the unifying thing.
[01:26:11]  But the really the unifying thing is like content clicks, all that kind of Sure, bum fight.
[01:26:16]  Bum fight.
[01:26:16]  It's all bum fight.
[01:26:17]  Everything is becoming bum fight.
[01:26:18]  Everything is bum fight.
[01:26:19]  Well, there was a bum fight at this.
[01:26:22]  So during the ceremonies, I don't know what the fuck they're doing in there.
[01:26:25]  Some protest, this protester gets up with like a Nazi flag and it's like, you know, doing some protests.
[01:26:30]  Like, you're all Nazis.
[01:26:32]  Seems like kind of a.
[01:26:35]  Oh, yeah.
[01:26:35]  I don't know if you wave the Nazi flag during your protest about how everyone's.
[01:26:38]  It's a classic mistake though.
[01:26:39]  People keep doing that.
[01:26:41]  You're kind of like mistaking the whole thing.
[01:26:43]  They are the ones with the Nazi flags, but they're Nazis, not you.
[01:26:46]  I think he was probably trying to get like pictures of him taken as if there was a guy who loved Nazi there, but there is everyone who loves Nazi there.
[01:26:53]  You don't need to fake it.
[01:26:54]  Just like, you know.
[01:26:56]  Well, so this is Jack Pesobiak.
[01:26:58]  He's there too.
[01:26:59]  Ultimate Fence Walker.
[01:27:01]  He is kicked out during Jack Pesobiak.
[01:27:05]  So at the same time, a five-foot, and I'm not even being insulting or joking or anything here.
[01:27:10]  A five-foot-four racist live streamer named Hayden McDougal follows the protester outside.
[01:27:18]  Hayden had previously been seen by myself and many others on Sneeko's stream saying he hates blacks and Jews and he's proudly racist.
[01:27:29]  And this is like his big thing.
[01:27:30]  Like, I hate black.
[01:27:31]  He's sort of like a budget Nick Fuentes.
[01:27:33]  He is exactly a budget Nick Fuentes.
[01:27:35]  His big thing is he dresses old timey and stands near a telephone and says old timey.
[01:27:40]  Like he wears like a top.
[01:27:43]  No, but like a double-breasted suit or whatever.
[01:27:47]  No, it's pretty old-timey to wear that in your little YouTube video.
[01:27:49]  I'd say so.
[01:27:50]  You're not wearing a double-breasted suit right now.
[01:27:52]  These guys make the mistake of trying to be fancy lads.
[01:27:58]  Yeah.
[01:27:59]  Thinking that it makes them like more, I don't know, it makes them look more sophisticated.
[01:28:06]  I think it's like also a little bit like, that's back when like the blacks were in their place or whatever, you know?
[01:28:11]  But then you look like fucking Glenn Beck.
[01:28:14]  Yeah, you do.
[01:28:15]  They do all kind of look back.
[01:28:17]  It's like weird, like KFC cosplay.
[01:28:20]  Fuentes is doing a little bit of Tucker cosplay, but this dude is fully like, he's leaned too far into the past because sometimes he does videos in front of like a phone, like an old phone booth or whatever.
[01:28:30]  You know what I mean?
[01:28:30]  It's like a little like, oh, I'm just drawn.
[01:28:33]  I'm a time traveler back from the 1940s.
[01:28:35]  World, Michelle Obama.
[01:28:37]  You know what I mean?
[01:28:38]  Like that kind of shit.
[01:28:39]  But he does sound like Glenn Beck, though.
[01:28:41]  That is true.
[01:28:42]  But he's like, his big thing is like he'll like, you know, like say the, he'll watch it.
[01:28:45]  They love to like watch a video of like a viral video of like, I don't know, black people fighting or something, and then just yell the N-word at their phone.
[01:28:56]  Like that's kind of what, that's his like big thing.
[01:28:58]  This is his men's career.
[01:28:59]  So anyways, the protesters outside, Hayden McDougal, the 5-4 guy who yells N-word at his phone while watching videos of like black people fighting is there.
[01:29:09]  And also this like sort of corpulent lurking creature who's like another based racist guy named like Vrill, you know, whatever, but it's like an, you know, what is that?
[01:29:22]  Vrill.
[01:29:22]  Is it Vril something?
[01:29:24]  He's also with the Nazi guy.
[01:29:26]  Okay.
[01:29:27]  And the protester tries to hand them like the swastika flag.
[01:29:31]  And Hayden McDougal's like, I got plenty at home.
[01:29:34]  While this is happening, a also 5'4 wearing suspenders man of a jolly build comes outside.
[01:29:44]  Okay.
[01:29:46]  His name, I believe, is Kevin Smith.
[01:29:48]  Come on, Sonoba.
[01:29:49]  Let's get the fuck out of this fucking jib joy.
[01:29:52]  Which was difficult for me to take in.
[01:29:53]  Okay.
[01:29:53]  And it was like, is this his screen name or something?
[01:29:56]  This is no, his name is Kevin Smith.
[01:29:58]  And he immediately sees Hayden McDougal and thinks he's the protester.
[01:30:03]  And now, Kevin Smith, I believe, is from the Long Island Young Republicans.
[01:30:06]  So that means he's like, you know, he's real solid of the earth.
[01:30:09]  He sees Hayden McDougal and thinks that this little fancy lad is the guy who's been protesting.
[01:30:13]  Little Lord Fauntleroy.
[01:30:14]  And he fully slaps him.
[01:30:18]  Slaps?
[01:30:19]  And I will say this: balls and strikes here, it's a great slap.
[01:30:23]  It's a great slap.
[01:30:25]  And Hayden is wounded.
[01:30:27]  I have a question.
[01:30:28]  Yes.
[01:30:30]  You're both men.
[01:30:32]  True.
[01:30:34]  You're in that situation.
[01:30:36]  Yeah.
[01:30:37]  Immediate confrontation.
[01:30:38]  Yeah.
[01:30:39]  How do you make the decision to slap versus punch?
[01:30:43]  I well, the slap is more patronizing.
[01:30:52]  It's more like you're not worthy.
[01:30:53]  And it's less aggressive, but it's like you're beneath me.
[01:30:58]  I will say.
[01:30:59]  But it feels very odd to me that you would begin a confrontation with a slap and it's not female-coated.
[01:31:11]  So you'd say that, but I've watched the video of this slap many times.
[01:31:16]  I've never slapped anybody.
[01:31:18]  And my go-to move when I, if I wanted to hit somebody, is genuinely putting my jacket over their head and then punching them as like down with my face.
[01:31:25]  Because remember the, obviously, the slap.
[01:31:28]  The slap.
[01:31:30]  That had more to do with like.
[01:31:32]  Honor.
[01:31:34]  To your point.
[01:31:36]  So I'm curious about this man.
[01:31:38]  So the way I read the situation, not having seen anything, not knowing who any of these people are, not understanding any of the context.
[01:31:44]  Balls and strikes.
[01:31:47]  Did not feel confident in his ability to punch.
[01:31:50]  Went for the flat hand.
[01:31:52]  No, it was a full wind up slap across the face.
[01:31:58]  I mean, it was a, it was balls and strikes here.
[01:32:01]  I think that slap was much more effective than a punch would have been.
[01:32:04]  Interesting.
[01:32:05]  Because it really, not only did it, it probably hurt, but it also humiliated in a way that a punch really could not.
[01:32:11]  Okay.
[01:32:11]  Because if you get punched by a guy, here's what happens whenever anyone gets punched.
[01:32:15]  And I'll say this, I've probably done this myself.
[01:32:17]  I've been punched a lot in my life.
[01:32:19]  Genuinely, I really haven't punched him.
[01:32:20]  I got a face for punching.
[01:32:22]  You know, and it sucks because glasses, this is, it's my glasses always fly off, and then I just have to fight somebody without being able to see anything.
[01:32:29]  Yeah.
[01:32:30]  And I, but I do.
[01:32:31]  I'm a little bit handicapped.
[01:32:32]  But the thing is, whenever my glasses, whenever someone fucks my glasses, I do get so mad.
[01:32:36]  And so it helps me fight people.
[01:32:38]  But I don't like fighting people.
[01:32:39]  I love that you just put the two fists up like a little Irishman.
[01:32:42]  No, because you have to do is choke someone immediately because that really sucks.
[01:32:45]  Okay, RK.
[01:32:46]  I just watched it.
[01:32:46]  He staggered him with that slap.
[01:32:49]  Show lose the slap.
[01:32:50]  It's coming.
[01:32:51]  Here it is.
[01:32:54]  He takes several steps to the side.
[01:32:56]  I mean, this guy, these are both short men.
[01:32:58]  Yeah, but they're both punched.
[01:32:59]  That guy was much more stout.
[01:33:02]  Wait, can you go back?
[01:33:03]  Let me see this slap again.
[01:33:05]  Because he does a kind of like, yeah, he's in his face and then he had some.
[01:33:07]  Is there audio we can play from the slap?
[01:33:10]  You invited him to your fucking club!
[01:33:13]  You invited him to your fucking club!
[01:33:16]  Okay, let the fuck out of here.
[01:33:17]  I think that's a critical hit.
[01:33:18]  That's a critical.
[01:33:19]  It is, let me tell you.
[01:33:21]  So he's getting the whole palm.
[01:33:23]  He's getting the whole palm.
[01:33:24]  I would so much rather be punched than slapped like that.
[01:33:28]  That is a humiliation that is difficult to come back from.
[01:33:32]  It's also difficult to come back from it coming from a man in that outfit.
[01:33:36]  Well, it's also friendly fire.
[01:33:38]  So the guy, Hayden McDougal.
[01:33:40]  So he didn't know.
[01:33:41]  He didn't know.
[01:33:42]  So the slapper, Kevin Smith, slaps Hayden McDougall.
[01:33:47]  And Hayden McDougal is shocked because he's like, no, dude, I'm racist.
[01:33:52]  That guy is not racist.
[01:33:53]  You should slap him.
[01:33:55]  But he doesn't know what to say.
[01:33:56]  He and his sort of...
[01:33:57]  He doesn't just turn around and start slapping people.
[01:33:59]  Well, Well, he's with this somewhat lumpy, neuroatypical, much taller gentleman next to him.
[01:34:04]  And they sort of retreat to a waiting group of people that includes Nick Fuentes, who was invited to the New York Young Republicans gala, but denied entry apparently at the last minute and just hung out outside.
[01:34:15]  That's weird.
[01:34:16]  Later that night, Kevin Smith takes a picture with Hayden McDougal to show: actually, we're all based friends here.
[01:34:23]  Heil Hitler.
[01:34:25]  We love Adolf Hitler.
[01:34:26]  We're all friends.
[01:34:27]  No, but they are.
[01:34:28]  I'm sorry.
[01:34:29]  These people openly love Hitler.
[01:34:31]  I don't understand why we're supposed to treat them like they're any different than that.
[01:34:34]  They do.
[01:34:35]  And they can kind of, it's, it's, but yes, they don't say Heil Hitler.
[01:34:38]  They're too pussy for that.
[01:34:41]  Because you could combine that with a slap really easily.
[01:34:44]  But the white man, and I watched another video from the TPSA conference today.
[01:34:48]  These Groypers flee when they're attacked.
[01:34:53]  Wait, was there a Groypers?
[01:34:55]  There was a Groyper fleeing with another, it was a based when I think of Graper fleeing.
[01:35:02]  Have you seen the episode of Seinfeld with the Pigman?
[01:35:05]  Of course.
[01:35:09]  It's a big man.
[01:35:12]  A pigman.
[01:35:16]  Of course.
[01:35:17]  The image I have of the Pigman very briefly at the end, squealing and running in the background at the hospital.
[01:35:26]  That's how I picture a griper fleeing.
[01:35:28]  Yeah.
[01:35:29]  Makes sense.
[01:35:30]  This is why you want to carry a gun because you can't flee on any circumstances.
[01:35:34]  Like, sorry, if Hayden McDougal should have shot him dead, but the white man is still not awake.
[01:35:41]  And there's still a could you imagine getting slapped by another white man in front of the white man's convention and then running off to Sneeko?
[01:35:49]  It's disgraceful.

=== Charlie Kirk's Murder (15:27) ===

[01:35:56]  I got to tell you, Liz, our loser of the year, for me, I don't know about you, but it's got to be Charlie Kirk.
[01:36:05]  Well, he did lose the greatest thing of all: life.
[01:36:08]  His wife's hand.
[01:36:10]  Also, that, but that in death.
[01:36:14]  Christians can get remarried after the husband dies, right?
[01:36:17]  Yeah, she's not Catholic.
[01:36:20]  But even they can Catholics get remarried after the husband died?
[01:36:22]  I don't know.
[01:36:23]  I think you're not supposed to.
[01:36:24]  I think you have to get annulled or whatever.
[01:36:28]  Yeah.
[01:36:29]  Yeah.
[01:36:30]  Charlie Kirk.
[01:36:32]  I got to tell you that TPUSA conference being held at his memory right now.
[01:36:41]  I don't know if it's going to make a million Charlie Kirks.
[01:36:45]  I don't know.
[01:36:45]  I don't know if it's going to make a million Charlie Kirks.
[01:36:47]  I hope it does.
[01:36:49]  From the bottom of my heart, I hope it does.
[01:36:53]  But I think that he died and is being forgotten and spit upon by his former friends who all now hate each other because of Candace Owens.
[01:37:07]  So I don't know if you agree with this.
[01:37:10]  I'm doing my winners and losers of the entire Charlie Kirk thing here.
[01:37:13]  Okay.
[01:37:13]  Losers.
[01:37:14]  Charlie Kirk.
[01:37:15]  Obviously.
[01:37:16]  Erica Kirk.
[01:37:18]  Yeah.
[01:37:19]  Winners.
[01:37:20]  But she's also winning.
[01:37:22]  Interesting.
[01:37:23]  How so?
[01:37:26]  She's on TV all the time.
[01:37:28]  That is awesome.
[01:37:29]  She's on internet TV all the time.
[01:37:31]  Even better.
[01:37:32]  She is like headlining all of these events with the sitting vice president.
[01:37:39]  Yep.
[01:37:39]  Who is groping her butt?
[01:37:42]  I'm assuming.
[01:37:43]  So there's more than one winner here.
[01:37:46]  I, you know, they're having, you know, cocktails after the fact.
[01:37:51]  Facts.
[01:37:52]  No, leave Usha at home.
[01:37:56]  And, You know, she's clearly teeing up a bigger, you know, to have a bigger role within either TPUSA or just the Republican Party in general.
[01:38:06]  She inherited TPUSA.
[01:38:08]  I mean, imagine what the RNC is going to be in 2028.
[01:38:14]  It's going to look like one of those ISIS remember our martyrs videos that they would put out.
[01:38:21]  But she will be like one of the keynotes.
[01:38:23]  Oh, absolutely.
[01:38:24]  She'll probably be the keynote note speaker.
[01:38:27]  And, you know, even like leading up into that, the midterms next year, she's going to be everywhere.
[01:38:34]  Yeah.
[01:38:34]  So is she really a loser?
[01:38:37]  Well, now she has to run the organization because I think Charlie was actually running it logistically.
[01:38:41]  But maybe that's not her role.
[01:38:42]  Yeah, maybe it's figurehead, which is awesome.
[01:38:44]  That's such a cool.
[01:38:45]  But also be a figurehead that does have higher firepower.
[01:38:49]  That's great.
[01:38:51]  I would say the main, the incontrovertible winners are Tyler Robinson.
[01:38:57]  Who is like still trolling everyone?
[01:39:00]  I mean, really.
[01:39:01]  Yeah, it's, it's his ass did that shit.
[01:39:05]  His ass is trolling, like even after the biggest troll.
[01:39:09]  He's still trolling?
[01:39:10]  It seems like he's trolling from the courthouse.
[01:39:13]  Well, did you read that Washington Post story about him?
[01:39:16]  It's pretty good.
[01:39:18]  I mean, they can only look into so much, but he was playing Wordle less than an hour before he blew off Charlie Kirk's head with the rifle.
[01:39:27]  Well, you got to get, you know, you're on your phone.
[01:39:28]  The guy's a fucking gay.
[01:39:29]  He's probably got a push notification.
[01:39:31]  That is true.
[01:39:32]  He's probably like waiting for to kill Charlie Kirk.
[01:39:34]  He's like, oh, do I?
[01:39:35]  He's like, oh, we wordle up.
[01:39:37]  Yep, I guess I'll do it.
[01:39:38]  Wordle made him do it.
[01:39:39]  It's these violent video games.
[01:39:40]  So there's a, an hour after the attack, they found some more messages.
[01:39:45]  Tyler writes, I'll be Tyler.
[01:39:46]  Actually, you be Tyler.
[01:39:47]  Utah gets a national headline for the first time in a while and it's someone sliming Charlie Kirk.
[01:39:53]  To which his friend says, yeah, I heard he got attempted on.
[01:39:56]  And then Tyler says, he's reported dead and the footage looks bad.
[01:40:01]  First of all, slimed.
[01:40:06]  And then I heard he got attempted on.
[01:40:08]  Is that slang or is this guy like I really like that?
[01:40:12]  This is all a really weird way to talk.
[01:40:14]  I'm sorry.
[01:40:15]  It's crazy to me.
[01:40:16]  Slimed?
[01:40:17]  What is this?
[01:40:17]  Nickelodeon in the 90s?
[01:40:18]  I think, I mean, I think it sort of like comes from like, I don't know.
[01:40:22]  It's a young, young people say it.
[01:40:23]  Young people do not say he got attempted on.
[01:40:25]  I don't know if attempted on is really good.
[01:40:27]  I actually really like that.
[01:40:28]  I think slimed is whatever, but attempted on is really good.
[01:40:32]  So they've actually posted an article more about him.
[01:40:34]  He was a big nerd who loved Discord, Magic the Gathering, his transgender girlfriend and playing video games and like really seems just like a kind of like average like nerd guy, like left-ish nerd guy.
[01:40:47]  You know what I mean?
[01:40:48]  I don't know if he was, were his politics left-wing?
[01:40:53]  Like left-ish.
[01:40:54]  You know what I mean?
[01:40:55]  Like, I don't know.
[01:40:56]  I mean, there's, but there's been no, obviously on some, they sort of say like he seemed left-wing, but it's not like he's like.
[01:41:04]  I think it's that there's a kind of old, old world view of these things that all of the sort of social attributes code left.
[01:41:15]  Yes.
[01:41:16]  When actually in the actually existing contemporary real world, that has been completely and totally scrambled and is not actually true.
[01:41:26]  Well, I think if you look in left in terms of like culture, left and right in terms of culture, which is how most Americans deal with politics, I think that he is on the left side of that.
[01:41:36]  But like, what is, what do you mean?
[01:41:37]  Exactly.
[01:41:37]  Then we're in like the realm of nonsense.
[01:41:39]  You know what I mean?
[01:41:41]  But these things code left.
[01:41:45]  And I think for a lot of people, coding left or like that is sort of a substitute.
[01:41:50]  And I don't mean this even as an insult to anybody, but like that is sort of a substitute for like a developed politic.
[01:41:56]  No, I'm not saying that he didn't have developed politics.
[01:41:58]  I'm saying like these things that people assume are left-wing, like you still code left-wing, but they don't necessarily know.
[01:42:04]  Oh, interesting.
[01:42:05]  And I'm saying that like everything is very scrambled and more fluid than I think people can understand, especially in old world style press articles.
[01:42:19]  Well, I'll say this.
[01:42:20]  I think that there probably are a lot of people who have or profess to have like neo-Nazi politics who have this exact same descriptors attached to them down to like the transgender girlfriend.
[01:42:30]  I think that that is like any of this has anything to do with yeah, yeah, I agree with that.
[01:42:36]  I agree with that.
[01:42:37]  But I think it's, you know, it's, it's a, it's an interesting case because again, like the guy seems fairly, I mean, like barely political.
[01:42:47]  But I guess like I'm also like not thinking of how politics are now.
[01:42:50]  It's hard for me to even grasp how a lot of sort of young people work their way through the world right now.
[01:42:55]  It's tough.
[01:42:57]  But he killed Charlie Kirk.
[01:42:59]  And the thing is, allegedly killed Charlie Kirk.
[01:43:02]  Oh, that is true.
[01:43:03]  He allegedly killed Charlie Kirk.
[01:43:06]  And frankly, there was not a million Charlie Kirks that rose up after that.
[01:43:13]  The one, I think, absolute winner has to be Candace Owens.
[01:43:19]  She is at the top of her game right now.
[01:43:22]  Have you been watching?
[01:43:24]  No.
[01:43:26]  I have not been watching Candace Owens.
[01:43:30]  We'll never understand each other.
[01:43:33]  Like, you refuse to engage with media.
[01:43:34]  That really means a lot to me.
[01:43:37]  Candace is amazing.
[01:43:39]  If I die, Liz, you need to do what she's doing to Charlie, to me.
[01:43:44]  Oh, yeah.
[01:43:44]  Well, if you die, Israel did it.
[01:43:47]  We're so far beyond Israel doing it, Liz.
[01:43:50]  Oh, really?
[01:43:51]  But the French, too, right?
[01:43:56]  I want her to, like, we need to loop around to him being still alive.
[01:44:00]  We're getting there.
[01:44:02]  We really are kind of getting there.
[01:44:07]  Would you believe that on September 8th, an informant for Candace Owens?
[01:44:14]  Wait, she has informants?
[01:44:16]  Well, it could be a schizophrenic, gang-stocked guy who did email her and she had on our show.
[01:44:22]  Okay.
[01:44:22]  But there's many different words for things.
[01:44:25]  No, it's, yeah, it's that's a resp, that's a responsible thing to do.
[01:44:30]  That's true.
[01:44:32]  So she has a gentleman that claims that, first of all, we have to go way back.
[01:44:38]  35 years ago, he was a young, I believe, DEA or Border Patrol agent.
[01:44:41]  He was working on cartels, and he discovered images of his commander hanging out with the cartels in a cartel tunnel.
[01:44:50]  After that, Liz, he was put on a list for cartel hitmen who have been after him for 35 years.
[01:44:56]  He was also made to sign an N. Great of a cartel.
[01:44:59]  I was going to say, man, these cartels stink.
[01:45:01]  They've been after him for 35 years.
[01:45:03]  Maybe they get more Americans in there and they can really get this job done.
[01:45:06]  They've been doing law affairs against him.
[01:45:08]  It's everything.
[01:45:09]  They've been fucking with him for 35 years.
[01:45:11]  I like the idea of an average citizen claiming lawfare against him.
[01:45:19]  That to me is like very in line with the sovereign citizens movement.
[01:45:23]  There is a hint of that about this gentleman.
[01:45:25]  Okay.
[01:45:25]  He is being stalked, and I think this is uncontroversial.
[01:45:29]  He's being stalked by gangs, one might say.
[01:45:33]  Now, after 35 years, this NDA for some reason he signed is up.
[01:45:37]  I don't know why they had a 35-year deadline.
[01:45:40]  Regardless, he goes to a military base, the name of which I can't remember right now because I'm saying this all off the top of my head after watching a lot of Candace Owens.
[01:45:47]  But he goes to a military base to go get some files.
[01:45:51]  He sent Candace Owens all the receipts of where he stayed and everything about and his plane tickets and everything like that.
[01:45:56]  He was going to get some files.
[01:45:58]  And who does he see at this military base?
[01:46:02]  But the brother of a TPUSA guy who's like some kind of military officer, Erica Kirk, and various military officers meeting together.
[01:46:18]  Wait, so inside job with the wife?
[01:46:21]  We're just asking questions here.
[01:46:23]  This is before, this is just a day or two before Charlie's.
[01:46:26]  Colonel Mustard, which is a candlestick.
[01:46:28]  Well, on the day that Charlie is killed, some Egyptian military planes, which Candace, I must have missed an episode because I don't really see how she got here, which Candace claims are actually Egyptian means Israeli.
[01:46:42]  This is sort of what she establishes as like a fact in Candace's universe.
[01:46:46]  She's like, when you see Egyptian, that means Israeli.
[01:46:49]  Like she says that all the time.
[01:46:51]  But I'm like, I did, I must have missed a stream because I'm not really sure how we got there.
[01:46:55]  An Egyptian military aircraft takes a landing in Provo or like near Provo.
[01:47:05]  Sort of seemingly coinciding with Charlie Kirk's murder.
[01:47:08]  Now, when Charlie Kirk is assassinated, there are a bunch of people she sees in the counts in the video wearing maroon shirts, which she identifies.
[01:47:16]  And again, I will admit here, I did miss a stream or two.
[01:47:19]  She identifies as all members of the French Foreign Legion.
[01:47:22]  Now, does she identify them by like using some tool to recognize their faces?
[01:47:25]  No.
[01:47:25]  She identifies them by the fact that they wear maroon shirts.
[01:47:28]  And I believe maroon is maybe a color that the French Foreign Legion uses.
[01:47:31]  Okay, I love this.
[01:47:34]  Now, there is a chance, and we haven't actually heard about this from her for a while, that actually, instead of being shot by the sniper, a guy came out of a sewer grate underneath Charlie and killed him.
[01:47:49]  Not a tunnel.
[01:47:52]  A tunnel.
[01:47:53]  And of course, who lives in the tunnel?
[01:47:55]  The Jews.
[01:47:57]  But she doesn't say that.
[01:47:58]  Mole people.
[01:47:59]  Well, mole people.
[01:48:00]  Well, but I just want to say my mole people are never Jewish-coated.
[01:48:05]  But what religion do they practice?
[01:48:07]  They have their own thing going on down there.
[01:48:08]  That's true.
[01:48:09]  Yeah, they mole God.
[01:48:10]  So they don't accept Jewish people.
[01:48:12]  Do you think the heaven for mole people is underground?
[01:48:15]  That would flip it, huh?
[01:48:17]  Interesting.
[01:48:19]  Maybe it's just a low ceiling.
[01:48:20]  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:48:23]  But the actual killing, and then some people are saying he was shocked by his microphone.
[01:48:28]  I don't know.
[01:48:29]  Maybe it was a squib that got his neck.
[01:48:30]  That's Hitman Codename 47 style.
[01:48:32]  Really?
[01:48:33]  You come out, you sabotage the electricity, and then at the right moment, you drop the chandelier.
[01:48:38]  Ah, it shorts it out.
[01:48:40]  Yeah.
[01:48:41]  Well, I haven't watched because there's also a guy named Ian Carroll, who's like one of the worst guys, but he is, he sort of does his own addendums to Candace's theories, but he's also very popular.
[01:48:53]  So Candace is like, there was a Egyptian, meaning Israeli, U.S. government, French Foreign Legion hit squad that was going to kill Charlie Kirk because he was going to go, remember, he was going to go woke on Israel.
[01:49:09]  We covered this initially.
[01:49:10]  Right.
[01:49:12]  That's been the claim for a long time.
[01:49:14]  And also, but isn't it also about Brigitte?
[01:49:17]  So Brigitte might have helped order this hit because Candace, one of the most craziest things Candace said is that someone from TPUSA said, they killed, like, it was like they killed Charlie, but they're going to come and kill you next.
[01:49:29]  Candace?
[01:49:30]  Candace.
[01:49:31]  And it was like, they were talking about the Israelis.
[01:49:33]  Okay.
[01:49:33]  And so Candace has spent the past, whatever, three months going crazy.
[01:49:40]  I watched a stream earlier where she was just reading out license plates of cars that were somehow connected to the Egyptian military plane or like the company that rented them out.
[01:49:50]  It is like fully, and I, you know, I have a high tolerance for pretty arcane theories.
[01:49:57]  This one leaves a lot to be desired.
[01:49:59]  And it's every single thing.
[01:50:00]  And a lot of the times when she struggles with connecting things, she will do one of two things.
[01:50:06]  She will say, I don't know what it is about this guy.
[01:50:08]  He's just evil.
[01:50:09]  And that will implicate him in the plot.
[01:50:11]  And she'll just say, that's how I feel.
[01:50:13]  He's just evil.
[01:50:14]  Or in one instance, she said she had a dream that led her to a certain conclusion.
[01:50:19]  Yeah, you can't with the dream.
[01:50:20]  That's a classic cop out.
[01:50:22]  I'll tell you, Candace.
[01:50:24]  Sensing the evilness of someone, though, I can get behind that one.
[01:50:27]  I can too, but it's like, so, but she, she, by sensing the evilness, she integrates someone in the plot.
[01:50:32]  And so she says that Charlie Kirk's like best friends, like these whatever, right-wing pastors that hung out with him, were the implication, especially the latest episodes, was that their Israeli plants.
[01:50:42]  And that's part of Candace's whole mythology, or not mythology, like mythos 2.
[01:50:47]  I guess that's mythology.
[01:50:48]  You know what I mean?
[01:50:48]  Like her whole universe is that the Frankists, Jewish sect from the 17th, 18th century, or from the 1800s rather, infiltrated every world religion and controls a bunch of them.
[01:51:02]  And so these pastors might be Jewish.
[01:51:04]  That is the implication if you were a long time Candace watcher.
[01:51:08]  And so there's like a Jewish plot that's also with Macron's because she's also both the Macron's are also sort of agents of this Franco-Sabatean, I don't know what plot.

=== Candace's Israeli Plants (13:59) ===

[01:51:24]  Sex plot.
[01:51:25]  Yeah.
[01:51:27]  And they had to kill Charlie Kirk because they couldn't get to Candace.
[01:51:34]  Well, I just don't think that she should be making this about herself.
[01:51:38]  Well, okay, it seems that maybe.
[01:51:40]  You know what, though?
[01:51:42]  She is doing better than ever.
[01:51:46]  330,000 streams concurrent viewers when she gave her fucking speech when she did her live stream after meeting with Erica Kirk I have a question Yeah.
[01:52:03]  So we don't know what happened in that meeting.
[01:52:06]  We don't.
[01:52:07]  We know what they say happened in that meeting.
[01:52:10]  Do you think she played it straight?
[01:52:13]  Or what do you think?
[01:52:14]  Like, how do you think she carried herself?
[01:52:16]  I think the problem with Candace's claims is that if you actually just say them in plain English, they're so insane that like, if she said this to Erica Kirk, she'd be like, what the fuck are you talking about?
[01:52:26]  Because I feel like Candace probably is just like, so, so we're here to talk.
[01:52:32]  Yeah.
[01:52:32]  Yeah.
[01:52:33]  You know, like, I'm just like going off of what I know from like Real Housewives style confrontation, sit down, like we need to hash things out, where she's like very like in her like double down moment, never, never surrender.
[01:52:50]  And you never like fully explain what it is you're fighting about.
[01:52:53]  Exactly.
[01:52:53]  And you're all just, you're just like kind of triangulating at any point that you can.
[01:52:57]  But it's like, what does Erica Kirk say?
[01:53:00]  Well, I doubt Erica Kirk has watched all of Candace.
[01:53:03]  Presumably they were friends at some point.
[01:53:05]  Well, I don't know because Erica Kirk kind of came into the picture when Candace was a little bit leaving.
[01:53:10]  I know.
[01:53:11]  That's very true.
[01:53:12]  Which, look, correlation, not causation.
[01:53:14]  You think she hit it?
[01:53:15]  Do you think Candace ever hooked up with Charlie?
[01:53:19]  No, they seem very much like hag-coated.
[01:53:23]  Very hag.
[01:53:23]  It's a hag-style relationship for sure, I think.
[01:53:26]  Yeah.
[01:53:26]  Those texts.
[01:53:27]  Yeah, they're very like.
[01:53:29]  Yeah.
[01:53:29]  Yeah, poor guy.
[01:53:30]  But it is, it is, she does, she's been inching closer and closer and closer to be like, Erica Kirk did this.
[01:53:38]  Yeah.
[01:53:38]  But like part of her thing is like she's like, she's accusing like all these people at TPSA of things.
[01:53:43]  And so that are not necessarily related to the assassination of Charlie Kirk, but like are kind of with she's, she's saying them in relation to the assassination.
[01:53:52]  And so I guarantee that it was focused on that.
[01:53:54]  Like this person at TPSA is a problem.
[01:53:55]  This person at TPSA is a problem.
[01:53:57]  But Candace is always like, everyone's attacking me all the time.
[01:54:00]  And like, if you knew the things that I was going through.
[01:54:02]  It's super, it's really effectively a manipulative.
[01:54:06]  Yeah.
[01:54:07]  And it's very reality TV.
[01:54:09]  Very reality TV.
[01:54:10]  And it's become, so Tucker came out and defended her, but Tucker always says this thing.
[01:54:14]  It's a genius move.
[01:54:16]  I've got to start copying this.
[01:54:17]  When Tucker is like, I don't know what Candace has been saying, but like, she's my friend.
[01:54:21]  And I think she needs to be heard.
[01:54:23]  He knows exactly what she's been saying.
[01:54:25]  Obviously, anybody could have told him.
[01:54:27]  You know, he covers the fucking news.
[01:54:28]  And you could just look it up before he says something.
[01:54:30]  Or text her.
[01:54:31]  What do you think happened to Charlie Kirk?
[01:54:34]  And he got pushed back for that.
[01:54:37]  And then Megan Kelly has been sort of trying to play Peacemaker.
[01:54:40]  It's been a fucking disaster because I think a lot of people are like, this is like, she's shitting all over this widow of Charlie Kirk.
[01:54:47]  Who they're also trying to like make a big celebrity within the party.
[01:54:51]  Exactly.
[01:54:52]  Exactly.
[01:54:53]  And this also weirdly fallen along like Israel lines too.
[01:54:56]  Here's my thing.
[01:54:57]  I got to support Candace in this because one, Agent of Chaos always got to support the agent of Chaos.
[01:55:04]  We love Candace.
[01:55:06]  Two, she's very pretty.
[01:55:11]  Three.
[01:55:11]  I find her quite striking.
[01:55:13]  I think that if she continues to attack Erica Kirk, eventually JD Vance might have to step in.
[01:55:21]  And I would find that very amusing.
[01:55:24]  And I would like to see someone from the White House being forced to comment on the insane things that Candace Owens is saying.
[01:55:32]  That has already happened.
[01:55:34]  Not JD Vance, but Kash Patel has been asked, I think repeatedly at this point, at some point.
[01:55:41]  You know that motherfucker's a Candace watcher.
[01:55:44]  Of course.
[01:55:44]  They're co-workers, practically.
[01:55:46]  Candace's whole thing is she'll be like, someone high up in government contacted me and told me this thing.
[01:55:51]  Kash Patel.
[01:55:52]  It's well, that's what she always says.
[01:55:54]  And so she says at one point, someone high up in the French government contacted her and told her that there had been a hit put out on her for looking into the Charlie Kirk stuff by Brigitte Macron.
[01:56:07]  Here's the thing.
[01:56:08]  I actually feel like all of this is elevating the French state so much.
[01:56:15]  Yeah.
[01:56:15]  I'm like, you think that the French state is going after anybody except for like poor African kids?
[01:56:23]  Like, what are you fucking talking about?
[01:56:25]  Or Ibrahim Treor.
[01:56:27]  Yeah.
[01:56:27]  Yeah.
[01:56:28]  The French security services are ordering hits on Americans.
[01:56:31]  Like, what do you know?
[01:56:31]  They're beating up poor kids.
[01:56:33]  Well, I'm just like, sorry, is the only hit that ever goes through Charlie Kirk's?
[01:56:37]  Like, this other guy's been pursued for 35 years.
[01:56:39]  Candace Owens is, you know, what, I mean, what's happening?
[01:56:43]  What's going on with Cash?
[01:56:45]  So Cash was asked, have you familiar with the allegations that Brigitte Macron or the Macron's.
[01:56:52]  Who's asking him this?
[01:56:55]  This is what you get when they replace all of the press corps with just like the fucking like YouTube comments.
[01:57:02]  Cam Higbee.
[01:57:04]  Who the fuck is Cam Higbee?
[01:57:06]  Liz, Cam Higbee, first of all.
[01:57:07]  So the Trump government does is they have some doughy like 22-year-olds who make Tyler Olivera style videos.
[01:57:16]  Tyler Olivera is like the ultimate guy who does.
[01:57:18]  I've never actually seen one of his videos, but he does like Uber Driver Suck Me Off videos.
[01:57:26]  What?
[01:57:26]  Like it's like a picture of him and like a thumbnail and it's like a fentanyl zombies everywhere.
[01:57:30]  Oh, okay.
[01:57:31]  This is like what every young person's watching.
[01:57:32]  They're watching like O block videos by guys like most dangerous neighborhood in America by like a kind of Like, yeah, like a racist white guy, basically.
[01:57:43]  Um, and uh, and Cam Higbee is like one of these guys.
[01:57:47]  They deploy him.
[01:57:48]  I only found out who he is because he's been deployed by the government several times to go to Gaza and be like, look, there's no starvation, there's hella food here.
[01:57:55]  Uh, and then he went to Portland and tried to start fights with people so he could get a viral video of him being beat up, sure, uh, which did work a little bit.
[01:58:03]  Someone took his, like, he took a flag from somebody, they took it back, and he was like, I was assaulted.
[01:58:08]  And then they deployed him, I believe it was Cam Higbee, to Canal Street to be like, look at all these Africans.
[01:58:12]  Oh, okay.
[01:58:13]  And so they sort of use a guy like this to him.
[01:58:16]  Now he's in the White House Press Corps.
[01:58:17]  Correct.
[01:58:18]  Yeah.
[01:58:18]  I believe Pentagon, actually.
[01:58:19]  Yes.
[01:58:20]  Yes.
[01:58:21]  So he's the one questioning our warfighters.
[01:58:23]  Well, in this case, he was questioning one of our most fearsome civil servants.
[01:58:29]  Kash Patel.
[01:58:30]  Cash, cash word Patel.
[01:58:33]  Cashology.
[01:58:34]  Well, actually, his full name is Cashology.
[01:58:37]  Cashology Patel.
[01:58:38]  And Patel was like, We're looking into it.
[01:58:41]  We're looking into it.
[01:58:43]  We're looking into it.
[01:58:43]  The FBI is looking into the claims about Candace Owens.
[01:58:47]  Should be a pretty quick job.
[01:58:49]  French state.
[01:58:50]  Well, Liz.
[01:58:51]  Get Trump on the horn with Macron.
[01:58:53]  She says that Trump knows.
[01:58:55]  Candace says that Trump knows.
[01:58:56]  First of all, I believe her.
[01:58:58]  I do believe her too.
[01:58:59]  I believe her.
[01:59:00]  Also, I do think that Cash probably believes her, but in a different way.
[01:59:04]  They're all like this.
[01:59:06]  I'm sorry.
[01:59:07]  Every right-wing, famous person is like, you would have been locked them up in a fucking mental institution.
[01:59:13]  They're like 15, 20 years ago.
[01:59:16]  I've talked about this before about the mypillification of the Republican Party.
[01:59:22]  It's absurd.
[01:59:23]  All these grifters and content creators, same thing, and personalities, entrepreneurs, from bum fight slappers to I don't know what what the fuck is a Higbee?
[01:59:45]  What's his fucking Cam Higby and everyone in between it?
[01:59:50]  This is all it is now.
[01:59:52]  This is the only thing the part this is why it's I'm so fascinated.
[01:59:55]  I cannot wait until Trump is done with this because I want to see what the fuck they do because the party, the Republican Party is, you know, I think people kind of haven't really figured this out yet, but they're in a big crisis.
[02:00:11]  Huge crisis.
[02:00:11]  They have a messiah crisis, basically.
[02:00:15]  And I'm so fascinated to see what's going to happen when there's this like vacuum.
[02:00:21]  This is because I don't see how it is playing out a little bit.
[02:00:25]  Everyone's kind of vying for who that is going to be from JD to more of the kind of like YouTube ecosystem players to behind the scenes kind of Heritage Foundation stuff.
[02:00:38]  But also, like, that doesn't a robust political party make, even in our bullshit American system.
[02:00:47]  But do you need one anymore?
[02:00:49]  Well, that's a good question.
[02:00:50]  Or it's just very weak.
[02:00:53]  Yeah.
[02:00:54]  In the same way that the Democratic Party is kind of weak as well, but it's sort of a different kind of patchwork.
[02:01:00]  Yeah.
[02:01:01]  But the, yeah, the my pillification of the whole thing.
[02:01:07]  I mean, this fucking.
[02:01:07]  Can we talk about Bongingo?
[02:01:09]  Because this, we did it.
[02:01:10]  And I just want to mention this.
[02:01:11]  Can you play the Halo theme really quickly?
[02:01:21]  Sorry, it's the most somber music I know.
[02:01:25]  Probably for him, too.
[02:01:27]  Bongingo, after less than a year.
[02:01:30]  And that is true in Unhouse Style, by the way.
[02:01:33]  Oh, yeah.
[02:01:34]  Has left.
[02:01:36]  What is it?
[02:01:37]  End of watch.
[02:01:38]  End of watch.
[02:01:40]  See you in Valhalla.
[02:01:41]  I'll see you in Valhalla, damn bongingo, after one year of doing nothing, nothing but complain.
[02:01:48]  Here's the thing: I love damn bongingo, and I support Moink.
[02:01:54]  Moink.
[02:01:55]  Moink.
[02:01:55]  I am so happy that he gets to go back to what he loves.
[02:01:59]  And it's so funny that Trump basically said the same thing.
[02:02:03]  Did Trump comment on it?
[02:02:04]  Yeah, Trump was like, I think he wants to get back.
[02:02:07]  I think he misses doing his show.
[02:02:12]  I mean, that was probably the official reason he gave.
[02:02:15]  He's like, I miss doing my show.
[02:02:17]  I hate going to work at 8 a.m. or whatever he is.
[02:02:20]  Here's the thing.
[02:02:21]  He fucking hates being the deputy director of the FBI.
[02:02:25]  He's the deputy director of the FBI and he'd rather do a fucking podcast.
[02:02:31]  But like, doesn't that say something about society?
[02:02:33]  Do you know how, Liz?
[02:02:34]  Do you know how many inches of height I would give from my penis to become deputy director of the FBI for a fucking week?
[02:02:45]  Prison, prison.
[02:02:48]  There's no one else in the room.
[02:02:49]  Prison, prison, prison, prison.
[02:02:50]  You did see that like they are kind of doing that and it's really coming back to bite them.
[02:02:56]  What do you mean?
[02:02:57]  That like the DOJ is filing so many cases.
[02:03:02]  They're all getting dismissed at such a higher rate.
[02:03:05]  Oh, yeah, I'm sure.
[02:03:06]  No, they're getting dismissed at like 21%, where the average over the last like 10 years or something was 0.5%.
[02:03:13]  Like just random cases?
[02:03:15]  No, because they're just being so aggressive.
[02:03:18]  Yeah.
[02:03:19]  But the cases are so poorly built.
[02:03:21]  They fire a lot of people.
[02:03:23]  That so many, everything is getting thrown out.
[02:03:26]  21% of cases getting thrown out.
[02:03:30]  So right now is a really good time to commit a federal crime.
[02:03:33]  It's also a great time to get arrested.
[02:03:34]  Yeah.
[02:03:35]  So if you do the first one and then the second one happens, you still got some, you know, the odds are in your favor.
[02:03:39]  20% is good.
[02:03:41]  21% is good odds.
[02:03:43]  It's not, you know what?
[02:03:45]  Promo code, good odds.
[02:03:47]  Yes.
[02:03:48]  First polymarket.
[02:03:49]  We'll get some odds on your case on Calci and see what the future holds.
[02:03:55]  It's just, it's so.
[02:03:58]  Here's the thing.
[02:04:00]  It's not just the deputy director of the FBI.
[02:04:04]  Every single person would rather be doing a podcast than any other job.
[02:04:09]  It's fucking crazy to me.
[02:04:10]  And that is the fucking world we live in in 2025.
[02:04:19]  So I guess Bon Gingo is a winner there.
[02:04:22]  It...
[02:04:23]  You know what?
[02:04:24]  I do think that he will probably the shit that he's going to be able to like milk from being the deputy director for a year for his podcast.
[02:04:34]  Like, okay, if you are an aspiring podcaster or perhaps an ex-podcaster who had to go back to work, but now you'd like to get back in the game.
[02:04:44]  Having a job that you can constantly refer to on your podcast as like, well, when I was deputy director of the FBI, a guy told me, or, you know, I remember looking at some files that told me, like, the stuff that he's going to throw out there is just gold for his audience.
[02:05:04]  You know, that reminds me of when I was in the florist space in like 2011, I heard something from a really grizzled old veteran florist.
[02:05:14]  You can spend as much time out in the tulip fields as you want, but there's always a rose at home.

=== Plan for the Border Patrol (05:12) ===

[02:05:23]  Okay.
[02:05:26]  That's just what I learned.
[02:05:29]  I think this can't keep going on, right?
[02:05:36]  This year has been a tough one for me.
[02:05:38]  Like, this was the year where I was like.
[02:05:40]  It's crazy.
[02:05:40]  It's only been one year of Donald Trump too.
[02:05:42]  I know, but this year has made me.
[02:05:43]  I've really actually had to for the first time in my life.
[02:05:46]  Remember fucking Elon Musk?
[02:05:49]  Jesus Christ, dude.
[02:05:53]  That was so long ago.
[02:05:54]  Also, he's back, by the way.
[02:05:55]  My worry is that.
[02:05:56]  He's like getting involved in the midterms.
[02:05:57]  I know.
[02:05:58]  So we're going to see his America pack.
[02:06:00]  Weirdo ass again.
[02:06:01]  My worry is just like, is everyone like this now?
[02:06:05]  Like, obviously, a lot of people I know aren't like this, but like, are even people who ostensibly agree with me like this?
[02:06:10]  Like, everyone's just fucking crazy now?
[02:06:12]  It's, well, I wouldn't put it that way.
[02:06:15]  But, yes, because this is what's left of America.
[02:06:23]  And it's moink.
[02:06:25]  It's moink all the way down.
[02:06:27]  Moink from top to bottom?
[02:06:29]  Moink from top to bottom, from bottom to top.
[02:06:30]  Moink.
[02:06:31]  You go on Instagram.
[02:06:33]  It's all moinkers.
[02:06:35]  And, you know, proverbially speaking.
[02:06:38]  You go on Substack.
[02:06:40]  That's the home of the Moink.
[02:06:43]  YouTube?
[02:06:44]  Moink Olympics.
[02:06:46]  I just, I don't know.
[02:06:48]  I just, things are so, I just, people are so crazy now.
[02:06:53]  I don't know.
[02:06:54]  Everything's going to get so much crazier.
[02:06:56]  Everything's going to get...
[02:06:57]  Here's the thing.
[02:06:59]  I cannot wait for the midterms.
[02:07:02]  That's officially going to start kind of next year.
[02:07:05]  Right?
[02:07:06]  A little bit.
[02:07:07]  Mid-next year, right?
[02:07:12]  No, wait.
[02:07:12]  The midterms are in 2026.
[02:07:14]  Yeah, that is next year.
[02:07:15]  Oh, so it is next year.
[02:07:17]  I don't know what year it is.
[02:07:19]  No, Liz has been drinking.
[02:07:25]  Um...
[02:07:25]  There's no plan for like AI in the election.
[02:07:28]  No, no, there's no plan.
[02:07:31]  It is going to be full.
[02:07:32]  It is going to be wild.
[02:07:35]  There's no AI.
[02:07:35]  There's no filters on anything.
[02:07:37]  Nothing is.
[02:07:37]  There's nobody in charge of anything, Liz.
[02:07:40]  I'm like, there's literally no one's in charge of anything.
[02:07:43]  There's no safeguards on the bank.
[02:07:44]  It's an anarchist dream.
[02:07:45]  It really is.
[02:07:46]  We are in fucking, like, this is what drives me crazy.
[02:07:49]  There's no headphones.
[02:07:51]  There's no guardrails.
[02:07:53]  At its core, the politics that I have, communism is about law and order.
[02:07:59]  I'm not even joking.
[02:08:00]  That is.
[02:08:02]  About order.
[02:08:03]  Rather, maybe not necessarily.
[02:08:04]  Well, law is.
[02:08:04]  No, law is important.
[02:08:05]  Laws are very important too, but just a different law.
[02:08:08]  But also, there's a lot of laws.
[02:08:11]  Laws are just what you make of them.
[02:08:13]  And that's facts.
[02:08:15]  What we have right now is fucking anarchy.
[02:08:19]  And it makes me sick.
[02:08:20]  It makes everyone sick.
[02:08:22]  Whether they know it or not.
[02:08:23]  It's sick.
[02:08:24]  It's a sick place we're in right now.
[02:08:26]  I just want something that is just, I just want things to be fucking normal.
[02:08:30]  You saw that, or maybe we talked about CNN is like integrating with a partnership with Polymarket.
[02:08:35]  I saw.
[02:08:35]  I saw.
[02:08:36]  Dude, all of this stuff that we were covering with the last election is going to get so much more insane next year.
[02:08:44]  Like, especially when you think of everyone is saying that, you know, to expect a kind of blue wave, that there's going to be a referendum on the administration.
[02:08:55]  It's also going to be the 250th anniversary, speaking of, of this great nation.
[02:09:03]  Yeah, hopefully China does something cool with it, which is why we're getting like the Patriot Games or whatever.
[02:09:10]  Oh, you know, I'm in it.
[02:09:13]  Thank God.
[02:09:15]  We are having the Patriot Games.
[02:09:17]  You saw that, right?
[02:09:18]  Can we go to the Patriot Games?
[02:09:20]  Where are...
[02:09:21]  I don't know how you have the Patriot Games and the World Cup in the same year.
[02:09:24]  I feel like we're just kind of like...
[02:09:25]  America's hot right now.
[02:09:28]  That's going to be a whole shit show, the World Cup.
[02:09:31]  They're just going to one big ice honey pot.
[02:09:36]  I love it all.
[02:09:37]  I love.
[02:09:38]  Oh, God, that is going to be a fucking ice.
[02:09:40]  That is going to be.
[02:09:41]  I have no idea.
[02:09:41]  They're going to have to put Bovino.
[02:09:43]  Are they even going to let the Haiti team play?
[02:09:45]  The Haitian team play?
[02:09:47]  Also, it's kind of crazy that whatever.
[02:09:50]  That's the whole thing.
[02:09:50]  It is fucking.
[02:09:51]  You know what's fucking crazy?
[02:09:53]  Is that there's a fucking Border Patrol like Obersturbonfuer named Greg Bovino who like runs around in viral videos hitting people in various cities.
[02:10:04]  Yeah, the bum fights thing also extends to federal agencies.
[02:10:08]  These people, none of them have any, like, it can't.
[02:10:11]  I know.
[02:10:12]  When I was talking to my buddy Hakeem the other day, and I realized I was like, this guy is just like quoting Abraham.
[02:10:17]  Like, what the fuck is this guy talking about?
[02:10:19]  Like, do you see that the government you're a part of, what it is?
[02:10:23]  It is a fucking joke.
[02:10:24]  Like, all these people are like, they're nothing.
[02:10:27]  They're not even worth laughing at.
[02:10:28]  They're nothing.
[02:10:29]  It's a great, the great humiliation of America continues to pace.
[02:10:33]  You can't wait to see what happens with the dollar.

=== U.S. Dollar Decline (03:12) ===

[02:10:36]  God.
[02:10:37]  I just, but it's going to be an affairs.
[02:10:39]  If you liked being poor this year, get ready for next year.
[02:10:42]  It's going to be great.
[02:10:43]  No, U.S. dollar coin.
[02:10:45]  U.S. dollar coin.
[02:10:47]  Stablecoin is going to fix all this shit, Liz.
[02:10:48]  You don't even know.
[02:10:49]  Stablecoin, right now, I'll tell you this.
[02:10:51]  My prediction, what are your predictions for 2026?
[02:10:53]  I think the U.S. dollar is going to go down more.
[02:10:57]  I think the U.S. dollar is going to do amazing things that you never even thought of before.
[02:11:00]  I hope so.
[02:11:01]  I think that manufacturing is going to do something crazy.
[02:11:04]  I think that interesting things will happen upon the world stage.
[02:11:07]  I think a wacky president will do something possibly really bad.
[02:11:13]  But maybe there will be amazing things that happen as well.
[02:11:18]  And perhaps we'll take a moment.
[02:11:22]  Back when I was in the floral business, I remember this quite young florist, I think he was only two or three years old, took me aside and he bent down and he whispered in my ear.
[02:11:33]  He said, Bryce, a lot of the times we're spent glaring at the wilting rose at home when we could be out there in the tulip fields in the spring.
[02:11:45]  Wait, it's kind of a reverse oh.
[02:11:48]  That's what I mean.
[02:11:49]  Life's all about yin.
[02:11:52]  And then you flip the coin over and you find a little bit of yang.
[02:11:56]  Sometimes you get a cookie and you say, oh, great, a black cookie.
[02:11:59]  And then you look at the other side and say, oh my God, it's perfectly white.
[02:12:03]  Perfectly, huh?
[02:12:04]  Perfectly.
[02:12:04]  Well, I don't, you know, everything's perfect.
[02:12:10]  Sometimes, sometimes, sometimes you just see a lonely one and you think, man, I could write a song about that.
[02:12:16]  It would go crazy.
[02:12:17]  And then you see another one and you realize it's 11, which is an amazing number.
[02:12:23]  And I love, I love finding out these quirky things about life like that.
[02:12:28]  I think it's going to be a really bad year.
[02:12:30]  Really?
[02:12:31]  No, I think it's going to be a good year.
[02:12:32]  So a lot of people are saying it's going to be a bad year.
[02:12:34]  But everyone says that every year.
[02:12:36]  And they're never right.
[02:12:37]  Every year is so good.
[02:12:39]  Really?
[02:12:39]  I feel like every year gets kind of like crazier and crazier.
[02:12:42]  Oh, I completely disagree.
[02:12:43]  To me, I'm like, every year that I can remember.
[02:12:45]  You said that.
[02:12:47]  What are you talking about?
[02:12:49]  No, I was telling you earlier that a florist once said that to me.
[02:12:53]  He said, every year seems to get worse and worse and worse and worse.
[02:12:56]  And I told him, you know what?
[02:12:59]  Take a minute and smell the flowers.
[02:13:02]  That's what I said.
[02:13:02]  Just smell the flowers.
[02:13:03]  Smell the flowers.
[02:13:04]  The flowers.
[02:13:05]  Oftentimes you'd be surprised.
[02:13:06]  Roses, because if you get them cheapy, which really that's the way.
[02:13:10]  Most people do.
[02:13:10]  Most people do.
[02:13:11]  And frankly, not me, because I grow them in my front yard.
[02:13:14]  Do you really?
[02:13:15]  Yes, you see my roses.
[02:13:17]  But you don't bring me one.
[02:13:20]  No, because I like, I don't actually, I don't cut them very often.
[02:13:25]  I mean, I deadhead, obviously, but I just mean for the house.
[02:13:29]  They're not mature enough to be for like a cutting garden.
[02:13:33]  They have a good scent?
[02:13:34]  Sure, I purchased for scent.
[02:13:37]  A lot of roses you get stink like shit back in the back room of the flower shop.
[02:13:41]  I'll tell you that because they're cheap, but there's no other way to compete with Safeway and things like that because they sell floral flowers at dirt cheap prices.

=== Why Cheapy Roses Smell Bad (00:32) ===

[02:13:48]  Yeah, that's true.
[02:13:50]  Well, that's it.
[02:13:53]  Guys, it's been a year.
[02:13:55]  It's been a year.
[02:13:56]  I love saying that.
[02:13:57]  It's been a year.
[02:13:57]  It's been a year.
[02:13:58]  It's been.
[02:14:00]  And we are going to be right back.
[02:14:05]  We'll see you next year.
[02:14:08]  Not quite.
[02:14:09]  Well, oh, yeah.
[02:14:10]  Yeah.
[02:14:10]  No, we will.
[02:14:11]  We'll see you next year.
[02:14:12]  We'll see you next year.
[02:14:13]  And until then, I'm Liz.
[02:14:14]  My name is Brace.
[02:14:15]  I'm producer Young Chomsky.
[02:14:17]  And this has been Trunon.
[02:14:20]  We'll see you next year.