True Anon Truth Feed - Episode 467: Cuomo & Epstein: Island Boys
Aired: 2025-06-20
Duration: 01:22:19


=== Art and AI Anomaly (03:37) ===

[00:00:00]  Call me that slur again.
[00:00:02]  This is take three, and I'm just going to say take two was because something was wrong with Bray's microphone.
[00:00:07]  Take one was a beautiful rendition of Share by myself and the two sishat men in this room.
[00:00:15]  There's there that word again.
[00:00:16]  That's a slur.
[00:00:17]  There's a slur.
[00:00:18]  You guys are saying that, not me.
[00:00:23]  Just decided to retake it.
[00:00:25]  Completely.
[00:00:26]  And now our dear listeners shall never hear my rendition of Share.
[00:00:30]  Let me correct the record a little bit.
[00:00:31]  It was not recording yet.
[00:00:33]  Liz just started singing.
[00:00:35]  But the show, the button that makes the show have audio that can be transmitted to our dozens of loyal listeners was not pushed.
[00:00:47]  It's true.
[00:00:48]  I definitely leaned a little too much on our producer to know when we should be starting.
[00:00:53]  I'm sorry, do you want to sing?
[00:00:54]  Is that what you want this to be?
[00:00:56]  Do you want this to be the Liz album?
[00:00:58]  What even be on the Liz album, Liz?
[00:01:01]  Another thing,
[00:01:21]  I will say, you know, listen, as everybody knows, I'm pretty, I'm a prominent member of the DM for Commission furry art community.
[00:01:35]  I'm a treasured member.
[00:01:37]  And the treasurer.
[00:01:38]  And the treasurer, too.
[00:01:40]  I'm dealing with dozens of $25 special promo PayPal.
[00:01:45]  I'm an accountant for many of these people.
[00:01:48]  And in my community, there is a lot of pushback against AI art, right?
[00:01:54]  Because all of a sudden, things that took me years to draw with colored pencils and pastels can be done in an instant by crazy named things that are, you know, being run out of that amazing Y combineta.
[00:02:08]  But consider this.
[00:02:10]  There are many things that AI is now being used for, maybe for some people's personal life that they aren't even putting out there that one would never commission an artist to do.
[00:02:21]  You know what I mean?
[00:02:23]  But say if somebody in this room did figure out how to make AI art of John Fetterman sucking his own dick and deflating while he's doing it.
[00:02:35]  The body deflating?
[00:02:36]  The body deflating.
[00:02:37]  Okay.
[00:02:38]  Just want to clarity on that.
[00:02:39]  I'm not.
[00:02:40]  One would not be taking someone else's job.
[00:02:44]  That job didn't exist.
[00:02:48]  And the fact that it didn't exist, I think, is an indictment upon both my community, the DM for Commission, $25 for your art community, but also upon basically the art community arit large.
[00:02:59]  You know what I'm saying?
[00:03:00]  Are you asking for a pass?
[00:03:02]  For an AI pass?
[00:03:03]  I'm just saying that if it was discovered, if there was some sort of civilian FBI that was able to search through someone's laptop.
[00:03:10]  And find that you were making AI self-sucks.
[00:03:13]  And found that somebody, not just, not, okay, AI self-suck.
[00:03:17]  I'm sorry.
[00:03:18]  What?
[00:03:18]  I'm just saying.
[00:03:18]  That's like saying you found a picture of that same thing in my backpack.
[00:03:24]  It's like a picture of John Fetterman sucking his own dick in my backpack.
[00:03:27]  And then you told everyone you just found a picture of someone sucking dick in my backpack.
[00:03:31]  You see what really funny is if you printed out the AI, the AI.
[00:03:35]  For some reason, that's so funny to me.
[00:03:36]  Printing out AI.

=== Cuomo Campaign Tactics (15:26) ===

[00:03:37]  It's really good.
[00:03:38]  I need a printer, too.
[00:03:40]  But I'm not making this stuff.
[00:03:42]  I'm just because I'm in my community and that's opposed to this, but I'm saying people are making these things.
[00:03:47]  I'm going to be real.
[00:03:48]  I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.
[00:03:52]  Which part?
[00:03:52]  Are you talking about?
[00:03:53]  Well, so you can't.
[00:03:55]  With your imagination, right?
[00:03:57]  I'm Liz.
[00:03:58]  I'm Brace.
[00:03:59]  We're joined by, of course, Pruishomsky.
[00:04:01]  And this is Trinan.
[00:04:02]  Hello.
[00:04:03]  Hello.
[00:04:03]  We are not talking about Fetterman deflating on one end and inflating on the other.
[00:04:10]  That's what he does.
[00:04:11]  He sucks and he deflates and then he blows into the middle of the day.
[00:04:14]  Do you do those like jelly tube toys where you squeeze one end and it gets bigger?
[00:04:19]  And then that's what he does.
[00:04:21]  A lot of our listeners, I think, are too young for those.
[00:04:23]  Oh, come on.
[00:04:24]  If you're too young for those, please, DM.
[00:04:26]  Minors DM.
[00:04:29]  Please, please.
[00:04:31]  Minors, please.
[00:04:33]  I.
[00:04:34]  We are talking about someone who loves minors.
[00:04:40]  Jeffrey Epstein.
[00:04:41]  Jeffrey Epstein.
[00:04:41]  Do you like that?
[00:04:44]  We're talking about motherfucking Andrew Cuomo.
[00:04:47]  Well, we're talking about Epstein, too.
[00:04:48]  We're talking about Jeffrey Epstein.
[00:04:49]  We're talking about Andrew Cuomo.
[00:04:51]  We're talking about Epstein later.
[00:04:52]  I think we should talk about Cuomo now.
[00:04:54]  Cuomo is running to be the Mr. Mayor.
[00:05:00]  Well, he's running to be the Democratic in the Democratic primary for mayor of New York City.
[00:05:07]  Now, for people who are not coastal elites like ourselves, just like in other coastal elite cities, Republican nominee for mayor is kind of a joke, right?
[00:05:20]  There's really just...
[00:05:23]  Like the Democratic primary is like kind of the election because a Democrat is always elected to be mayor in New York City.
[00:05:30]  Not always.
[00:05:31]  But like, but often.
[00:05:36]  And in this case, almost certainly.
[00:05:38]  And the Republicans, I believe, I don't know if the primary is having it or really is one.
[00:05:42]  I haven't really been following it.
[00:05:44]  But friend of the show, Curtis Sliwa, the founder of The Guardian Angels, is either is the nominee or a shoe-in to be the nominee.
[00:05:53]  Dude, like a man in a beret.
[00:05:55]  I met him actually almost one exactly a year ago.
[00:06:00]  And you haven't been the same since.
[00:06:01]  I haven't.
[00:06:02]  No, we had sex.
[00:06:03]  We did.
[00:06:04]  We hopped.
[00:06:06]  But there is the Democratic primary is happening next Tuesday.
[00:06:11]  Tuesday.
[00:06:11]  The 24th.
[00:06:13]  And then I think the elections, what, November?
[00:06:15]  That's generally when they happen.
[00:06:17]  And Andrew Cuomo is running.
[00:06:20]  Yes.
[00:06:21]  The famed Andrew Cuomo.
[00:06:23]  Tell me about him.
[00:06:23]  Well, you spent a lot of time looking at him on the internet.
[00:06:27]  Did you make AI of him doing weird shit?
[00:06:29]  No, but I certainly will pretty much immediately after we stop recording this, or somebody will, I'm sure, after we stop recording this.
[00:06:39]  But I wonder if I, if somebody could release a last ditch Andrew Cuomo iPhone like nine picture in the dirty full-length mirror little penis full-body selfie nude.
[00:06:58]  Do you think that that would tank his campaign?
[00:07:01]  I think if I just started handing that to people, it would hurt him in some way.
[00:07:05]  You know, it probably hurt me too.
[00:07:06]  I'm just curious.
[00:07:07]  I'm not running for mayor.
[00:07:09]  I think it would probably not be a big enough effect to matter.
[00:07:13]  So I don't, so I don't, I, the, and I, I do, and this is not sponsored content.
[00:07:20]  Paying for YouTube premium has basically eliminated video ads from like the vast majority of my life because I don't really watch TV.
[00:07:29]  And so like, I don't really see a lot of political campaign ads.
[00:07:34]  Oh, I see where you're going.
[00:07:35]  And I think, I guess Cuomo is spending like a shit ton, like millions, or his PAX are, which whatever, the same thing, millions and millions and millions like this weekend.
[00:07:44]  And obviously have been in prior weeks as well.
[00:07:48]  But like there's like a big burst coming.
[00:07:51]  I saw Zoran out during the NBA Finals.
[00:07:55]  That's a good place to do it.
[00:07:56]  It's probably expensive.
[00:07:57]  But I guess he got a lot of matching funds.
[00:08:00]  But Andrew Cuomo is running and he is the sort of presumed, was the presumed nominee.
[00:08:06]  Now I think has been downgraded to just frontrunner status.
[00:08:09]  But over the past, I guess really over the past few weeks, but really over the past few days, I've watched a lot of interviews with him.
[00:08:16]  And let me tell you, Liz, you have not lived until you have seen Andrew Cuomo and Barry Weiss sit down in the studio for a Gab Fest.
[00:08:26]  I bet Brett Stevens was jealous, but why would we mention him?
[00:08:31]  The I'm just playing.
[00:08:36]  It is the I cannot believe anybody falls for this shit.
[00:08:41]  What is he doing?
[00:08:42]  I swear to God, I cannot believe that he's running again and people are like, yeah, let's do it.
[00:08:48]  Well, I've watched so many interviews with him over the years.
[00:08:51]  Yeah, and every time he says the same shit, he's like, We're going to clean this up, you know, we're going to sort of make Democrats respectable again.
[00:08:58]  And then, when he inevitably, invariably gets into office, he's, of course, a complete, he's a crook, yeah, totally corrupt.
[00:09:04]  His advisors are fucking getting jail, everyone's taking bribes.
[00:09:08]  Uh, he gets out of office.
[00:09:09]  You know, we talk about a lot of what he does in the in this episode.
[00:09:13]  So, spoiler alert, though, he is a fucking bag man for big real estate interests.
[00:09:17]  Um, and I just is his sort of pivot to and a lot of this campaign sort of revolving around Israel has been so crazy to see.
[00:09:27]  Because I watched the second debate, the second mayoral debate.
[00:09:30]  Um, and right when they were asking, because he knew it was coming about the second hour, they're asking the candidates about Israel.
[00:09:40]  There's sort of because New York City really, I mean, we run on Israel, can't get around this place without way.
[00:09:45]  Our taxi drivers need ways, you know, our pedophiles need a place to go, you know, AFTA, you know, our I don't know what else.
[00:09:54]  We need fucking Tavor rifles for our tiniest policemen because the bullpup, you know, helps with some recoil.
[00:10:01]  Uh, you know, are we intimately, I would say that New York is the Israel of America to sort of paraphrase our good friend Eric Adams, uh, who Cuomo declined to badmouth in any of the interviews that I saw of him, which is crazy.
[00:10:18]  It's incredible to me.
[00:10:20]  They're gonna have to team up like how Lander and Zoran.
[00:10:25]  Well, they're gonna be both running against each other in the general because I think Cuomo is has a ballot line in the general no matter what.
[00:10:32]  I see.
[00:10:32]  Um, I'm not exactly, I'm not an expert on New York electoral laws, but uh, I think that he got enough signatures to do that no matter what, because he's got basically unlimited money because he just like works for real estate companies.
[00:10:43]  Yes, it's insane to me that like people think that Andrew Cuomo, well, anyways, in the second hour of this debate, as Israel was like kicking off a new war at the sixth country that they've bombed since this all uh since October 7th, they love bombing.
[00:11:02]  Um, there was like a question about Israel, and of course, Cuomo goes in.
[00:11:08]  Whitney Tilson, who I love this Whitney Tilson guy, he goes in.
[00:11:12]  Um, and it was just sort of it was kind of amazing to sort of see all of this play out just like you know, sort of almost split screen, right?
[00:11:21]  Like there's a huge amount of just like aero bombardment and you know, we later found it like drone attacks happening in Iran from Israel, and then meantime on the stage, people are just like, Why are you so anti-Semitic, Mr. Mohamdane?
[00:11:40]  And it was just kind of incredible to watch, but he is really running sort of this campaign that you can so clearly see where this is going, right?
[00:11:47]  Like he is going to be Eric Adams.
[00:11:50]  I'm going to say he's going to be like Eric Adams, but worse, but only in the sense that Eric Adams, when he talks, he always says something amazing.
[00:11:58]  I mean, I think it's really funny because, I mean, I think maybe I'm wrong, but, you know, Cuomo, if it weren't for Mamdani's campaign having any kind of juice, then nobody would be back in Cuomo because if you go, I mean, not just like the, not just the killing the old ladies, allegedly, or not just the sexual harassment stuff, but like he left office.
[00:12:28]  He did leave office with like, with, I almost said with COVID, but like during that moment, like completely disgraced, sleazeball of sleaze balls.
[00:12:38]  Everyone's like, this is classic Albany, terrible machine.
[00:12:42]  And it's not just the Me Too, but like this is like a fucking creep.
[00:12:45]  And we need this like creep dynasty, like machine politics out.
[00:12:51]  Right.
[00:12:51]  And the fact that he's able to come in, and that's after, by the way, that's after he like, you know, way earlier in his career, everyone had already decided he was a loser.
[00:13:02]  So he like really rehabilitated himself once to get into Albany and then, you know, stuck around for so long.
[00:13:08]  And then finally, you know, sort of been killing him.
[00:13:14]  The way that he handled COVID was so fucking crazy.
[00:13:17]  What he did with those nursing songs is so crazy.
[00:13:19]  Which, by the way, he still sort of refuses to actually deal with in any way.
[00:13:22]  He sort of is like, you know, he kind of like pins it on like a Trump.
[00:13:26]  He almost does an Eric Adams.
[00:13:27]  You know, Eric Adams was like, I was busted because Joe Biden didn't like me.
[00:13:30]  Yeah.
[00:13:31]  He was like, Trump didn't like me.
[00:13:32]  And that's why I'm not sure.
[00:13:33]  I mean, I'm sure that there are really like dumbass fucking people that are so scared of, oh no, I'm so scared that like someone maybe a little bit to the left of de Blasio might get in there that they are like, oh, I could believe that.
[00:13:49]  Maybe this man is like, you know, maybe he didn't really do that.
[00:13:52]  It was probably political because he's like standing up to Trump.
[00:13:54]  I mean, people are so stupid.
[00:13:55]  Anyway, the fact that this like greasy motherfucker is allowed back in is so crazy to me.
[00:14:03]  It's so and then to see the, like, you know, we talk about it a little bit in this interview that's coming up, but like papers like the Times would have been all over this shit for so long.
[00:14:16]  And the fact that they can't even bring themselves because there's no alternative.
[00:14:20]  Yeah.
[00:14:20]  They try to put together alternatives where they're like, oh, well, instead, just pick this guy who's got 1% chance of winning.
[00:14:26]  It's like, yeah, okay, great.
[00:14:28]  I remember when you did the 2020, what if we had two lady presidents endorsement?
[00:14:32]  I mean, remember?
[00:14:33]  Klobuchar.
[00:14:34]  And then the Times was like, now we don't do endorse.
[00:14:38]  The like debacle of that.
[00:14:39]  They're like, actually we don't do endorsements where we don't want the op-ed page to be used that way, and then they put this out and it's, it's just so blatant and obvious and you're like it couldn't happen, literally to a better guy.
[00:14:53]  Because this is, he is comic book Simpsons character, Mr Mayor, Greasy Hands, like you said Bagman, for all of this shady real estate deal, all these shady real estate deals, crazy developers between New York Miami, the motherfucking Virgin Islands and you know it, you love it Dubai.
[00:15:17]  Like moving and grooving in shady circles with really, really questionable characters.
[00:15:23]  He's like a motherfucking cartoon character and yet he's being embraced in this moment.
[00:15:28]  I think it's really.
[00:15:29]  It's just it's.
[00:15:30]  There's this sort of common perception that, like guys like Cuomo, of which there are in every city that they're like okay well, you know he's a little bit corrupt, but like he knows how to get things done yeah, first of all, they said that about Adams.
[00:15:44]  Right like oh Adams, you know he's got his, he's got his hand here and there, but like you know he, like he knows how to get things done, he doesn't know how to get anything done.
[00:15:51]  Wasn't it Nate Silver who was like now Eric Adams, that's what the future of the Democratic Party looks like, and I was like yes yes, that is, it is kind of true um, but I mean, it's just like Cuomo, is it's so obvious what Cuomo is gonna do?
[00:16:06]  Right, he's gonna be one of these guys.
[00:16:07]  Like he's already sort of like pivoted to being like Kamalo, lost because of wokeness or whatever, and so you know he's just gonna be like you know we're gonna, we're gonna like collaborate in any way that he can with Trump um, while still sort of maybe trying to build a brand for himself.
[00:16:25]  You know, so sort of doing this halfway bullshit.
[00:16:28]  Plus, he's got to stop this defunding of the NYPD I know which, by the way, is a fucking gangster organization.
[00:16:34]  Like it's so funny to hear anyone complain about, like people talking about the NYPD in any fucking way, like if you have any interaction.
[00:16:42]  Like NYPD is a fucking mafia.
[00:16:44]  And i'm not like i'm not using any like allegory metaphor here or whatever, not allegory, but like i'm not speaking, i'm not like even just talking.
[00:16:52]  It's genuinely a fucking mafia.
[00:16:54]  You go into any fucking subway station and there's some fucking lard ass piece of shit looking at his fucking phone and like maybe, Maybe he'll look up and bonk some teenager over the head if he, you know, if he feels like it.
[00:17:07]  These people treat, like, they run fucking roughshod all over the fucking city.
[00:17:11]  The NYPD, it's just one of those things that, like, this should have been in federal receivership, you know, from the beginning.
[00:17:18]  There should have never been an NYPD.
[00:17:19]  It's like, this thing functions as, you know, I'm just saying, if you ever want to see a bunch of uniformed cops do fucking blow, just head to maybe some casinos in Ridgewood or anything like that, because you will definitely see that shit.
[00:17:33]  These people are fucking lawless.
[00:17:36]  They're anarchists, essentially.
[00:17:37]  They fucking treat the city like it's just, they can do whatever they want with it.
[00:17:41]  And they can.
[00:17:41]  And they can't.
[00:17:42]  And they can't.
[00:17:43]  And there's no one.
[00:17:43]  And nobody stands up to them.
[00:17:45]  It's insane.
[00:17:47]  Cuomo's going to clean it up.
[00:17:48]  Cuomo is going to come.
[00:17:49]  Andrew Cuomo is going to come clean it up.
[00:17:54]  It's crazy to me that people think this shit.
[00:17:56]  And it's in his, in his incredible sort of embrace of sort of being the, as, as we mentioned in this episode, the Shabbos goy for us.
[00:18:08]  Poor, poor Jews.
[00:18:11]  We're being hunted in the streets of New York.
[00:18:14]  It is just crazy to me.
[00:18:15]  And the hysteria that is ginned up by his campaign and by many of his prominent supporters that make it seem like Zorhan Mamdani is going to like fucking lead some barbarian horde of like SJP 19 year olds to the satmar with fucking torches is insane to me.
[00:18:37]  I mean, what these people are doing is they are, they are, like the Cuomo campaign is doing, is they are, and a lot of sort of the attendant media organs are ginning up a bunch of people who are very paranoid right now.
[00:18:53]  And in general, I would say, but especially right now, into genuinely believing that like there are going to be like Jews dragged through the streets.
[00:19:02]  It is fucking crazy to watch.

=== Great Escape Advice (07:48) ===

[00:19:03]  And I've like encountered some of this stuff from like friends' parents and et cetera, et cetera.
[00:19:08]  And it's just like, I don't even know how to deal with it.
[00:19:10]  I mean, I've been doing some phone banking for Zoron.
[00:19:12]  I haven't encountered anyone who's been like, yo, you fucking capo, but a bunch of other people have like gotten, called people and they've been like, this is for Zoron.
[00:19:21]  Like he's going to kill us.
[00:19:22]  Well, that's when you can, you can hit a different register in your voice.
[00:19:27]  Oh, I tell.
[00:19:27]  No, Liz, you don't understand how every, this is what I've been phone banking for large, I always phone bank during elections.
[00:19:34]  Not always, every election, but like in many elections, I have phone bank.
[00:19:37]  I love phone banking because I just lie to everybody.
[00:19:41]  Like it's, I talked to this lady who's like, I don't vote because I'm Christian.
[00:19:44]  And I was like, I'm super Christian too.
[00:19:45]  What's up?
[00:19:46]  Like, you know, I never have voted before, but this is going to be my first election.
[00:19:50]  Like, you know, I follow Christ's guidance and like, you know, I prayed on it.
[00:19:54]  And I sort of, that's a message I received.
[00:19:56]  Didn't work, but I did have her on the phone for a while.
[00:19:59]  And I just like talking to her.
[00:20:00]  You know, it's interesting to talk to people.
[00:20:01]  And I'm Christian.
[00:20:02]  But it's great.
[00:20:04]  Phone banking, I got to tell you.
[00:20:05]  And you can do it from anywhere.
[00:20:08]  But you could just lie.
[00:20:09]  I'm not saying you should lie, but you can lie.
[00:20:12]  And whoever you're talking to, and by the way, you could tell with the name sometimes, the race, you can be that.
[00:20:20]  Do you go?
[00:20:20]  But so if you had a, what I'm saying is, if you, let's, let's do a little role play here.
[00:20:26]  If you called me and I'm like, I'm afraid of the Upper West Side pogroms that are coming.
[00:20:34]  Yeah.
[00:20:36]  What would you say?
[00:20:37]  I would say.
[00:20:37]  What voice would you hit?
[00:20:38]  Well, first of all, I would hit, I would look at the last name.
[00:20:42]  And second of all, I'd be like, are you afraid you wouldn't be involved in them?
[00:20:47]  And then I would offer, I would be like, listen, what Zora is promising is there will be someone out there to change the light bulbs in your house, Miss Francis.
[00:20:57]  Because you've been living in the dark for too goddamn long and we will help you.
[00:21:01]  And that donkey that you've been taking to work to collect sticks from the forest to bring back and sell at the market, we are going to replace that with a nice electric bicycle.
[00:21:11]  You know, you make fun, but you know what?
[00:21:12]  I just found out about my grandpa?
[00:21:14]  Oh, no.
[00:21:14]  Oh, no.
[00:21:15]  No.
[00:21:16]  He majored in donkey sciences.
[00:21:18]  No, he was a part of the Great Escape.
[00:21:21]  The Great Escape?
[00:21:23]  Yes.
[00:21:23]  He got moved like a month before, but he was in Stalagluft III.
[00:21:28]  And he was there for like a year, which for people who don't know was like maximum security Nazi prison.
[00:21:34]  And there were famously like some, you know, whatever.
[00:21:38]  There's a movie that dramatizes it.
[00:21:40]  Yes.
[00:21:40]  Very famous escape that a bunch of mostly British pilots did.
[00:21:47]  And then they were all killed when they were caught.
[00:21:51]  But he sewed a bunch of the, he was working on it.
[00:21:56]  And when his task was that he was like sewing the garments that they all used because when they got out, they put on like civilian clothes.
[00:22:03]  And so he was like making those.
[00:22:05]  No way.
[00:22:05]  Isn't that crazy?
[00:22:06]  But then he got moved.
[00:22:07]  But if he hadn't been moved, he probably would have been part of it and then would have been killed.
[00:22:11]  Did they all die?
[00:22:13]  I think at least 50.
[00:22:15]  And I don't remember.
[00:22:17]  Queen died.
[00:22:17]  No.
[00:22:19]  I don't know why I just said that on the podcast, but I've just found out on the other side.
[00:22:21]  That's fucking cool.
[00:22:23]  Yeah.
[00:22:24]  Damn.
[00:22:25]  I feel like.
[00:22:26]  So just remember that when you make fun of the fucking Polish.
[00:22:30]  Yeah, they didn't even get to participate in the Great Escape.
[00:22:33]  The British were like, can you please, like they discreetly asked the kid, can you please move them to another camp, please?
[00:22:41]  Man.
[00:22:42]  I would have, what I would have done is I would have just pretended to be German.
[00:22:46]  They wouldn't have seen that.
[00:22:47]  If they had caught me, I'd be like, no, I'm, you know, I'm actually German.
[00:22:51]  You know, I was, I'm on your side.
[00:22:53]  I was a spy or whatever.
[00:22:54]  And I would create enough confusion that people would get sick of me and they would just let me go.
[00:22:58]  That's the, I mean, that's the classic.
[00:23:00]  Yeah.
[00:23:00]  You just annoy them so much that they have to get rid of you.
[00:23:03]  This is advice for anybody.
[00:23:04]  You know, it's if you get, if you get pulled into, you know, you're coming back and they're like, we want to search your cell phone, shit your pants.
[00:23:11]  They're going to let you go.
[00:23:12]  This is the play that we have to write for you and Adam, which is you two like a kind of Godot, like, I don't know, arc where you're either like wandering something because you have escaped or you're both trying to escape and just annoying you.
[00:23:34]  I would be preventing, I would be so, guards, guards.
[00:23:39]  I'd be lighting fires to get their attention.
[00:23:41]  Get him.
[00:23:42]  Get him.
[00:23:43]  And they both are shitting their pants.
[00:23:44]  Yeah.
[00:23:45]  Well, that's what I would do.
[00:23:46]  If you are being arrested, well, not if you're being arrested, maybe like at a protest or something, they'll probably make you shit with shitty pants.
[00:23:52]  But if you're being called into question at somewhere where like they're not arresting you or anything, but they're going to like have you there for a long time, shit those fucking drawers.
[00:23:59]  You have to testify in a trial.
[00:24:01]  Exactly.
[00:24:01]  Yeah.
[00:24:02]  If you have to testify and you don't want to.
[00:24:03]  One, they won't see you coming.
[00:24:05]  They will not.
[00:24:06]  Two, it'll just like break the entire like rhythm of whatever the proceeding is and everyone will have to kind of like, you know, race to kind of restructure everything.
[00:24:15]  Because they're trying to break you with a sort of, and I'm saying this to somebody who just came from the DMV.
[00:24:20]  I don't think you should do it at the DMV though.
[00:24:23]  No.
[00:24:23]  Well, there's no bathroom.
[00:24:24]  But also I just fill up if it doesn't work.
[00:24:27]  Not going to do, like, that's not high stakes enough.
[00:24:29]  And also, like, a lot of just people are waiting to get shit done there.
[00:24:33]  I know, but every, there was, I could have.
[00:24:35]  I'm talking about if you're in a maximum security situation.
[00:24:38]  Yeah.
[00:24:38]  If you're being interrogated.
[00:24:40]  Shit.
[00:24:42]  Because what can they do to you that's worse than that?
[00:24:44]  Put it on you.
[00:24:44]  It's already on you.
[00:24:45]  You know what I mean?
[00:24:46]  Shit.
[00:24:47]  Like if someone, if they're like, sir, we need to, like, you're coming back from Gabo and you've got your laptop that you accidentally brought full of documents or maybe pictures of your own phone.
[00:24:58]  And they're like, we need to talk to you about your posts about supporting Iran or whatever.
[00:25:02]  You'd be like, totally.
[00:25:07]  And be like, oh, fuck.
[00:25:09]  Sorry.
[00:25:09]  I'm mentally ill.
[00:25:12]  And first of all, you have proof that you are.
[00:25:14]  So whatever you're saying after that, and be like, I'm mentally animal.
[00:25:17]  I'm on fucking drugs legally, but I'm not going to tell you which ones.
[00:25:20]  And then they test you and there's nothing in there.
[00:25:22]  I don't think you should say that.
[00:25:23]  That's too much information.
[00:25:24]  Elon style.
[00:25:25]  Elon style.
[00:25:26]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:25:27]  Okay, that's okay.
[00:25:28]  But be like, just be like, oh, I'm sorry.
[00:25:31]  I'm crazy.
[00:25:32]  And just, that doesn't work, wait a few hours and do it again.
[00:25:37]  You know what I mean?
[00:25:38]  Don't break.
[00:25:39]  Never narc.
[00:25:40]  And if you have to, just shit.
[00:25:42]  You know?
[00:25:43]  No one's, it's fine.
[00:25:45]  It's obviously.
[00:25:46]  Put that on a t-shirt.
[00:25:48]  Just don't break, don't narc, just shit.
[00:25:50]  Just shit.
[00:25:51]  If they're trying to get you like, hey, your friends already told, because they've done this to me before.
[00:25:54]  They did the SFPD did this to me.
[00:25:56]  They're like, your friends told us everything.
[00:25:58]  And I was like, no, they didn't.
[00:26:02]  You're just saying that.
[00:26:03]  Because they can lie to you.
[00:26:04]  They can just say that kind of shit to you.
[00:26:06]  That's it.
[00:26:06]  They'll always tell you your friend said something.
[00:26:08]  What your answer to that should be?
[00:26:11]  Like, oh, my stomach.
[00:26:13]  Oh, I had a bad, I went to Barfaria El Fartolato and fucking got a, you know, got a chicken burrito.
[00:26:21]  And just if you do that, if you make yourself, and I've done this with my personality, if you make yourself so repulsive, physically, sensually, spiritually, olphoractically, whatever the nose went on.
[00:26:37]  Olfactorially.
[00:26:38]  Olfactorily, they will, they can't do it anything to you.
[00:26:43]  You know what I mean?
[00:26:43]  They're like, get him out of here, you know?
[00:26:45]  And then you'll be free.
[00:26:46]  Then you'll be free.
[00:26:47]  This is not legal advice.
[00:26:50]  I want to add that.
[00:26:50]  This is not legal advice.

=== Tunnel Warfare Elections (15:25) ===

[00:26:52]  So what are we talking about today?
[00:26:53]  So we're talking about Andrew Cuomo's sort of backing in this election.
[00:26:59]  And kind of here's Andrew Cuomo's place in the world outside of his famous governorship.
[00:27:04]  Some of the scandals are very famous, right?
[00:27:06]  You know, the many gropings of Andrew Cuomo, the killing the old ladies, right?
[00:27:13]  A bunch of his aides getting arrested.
[00:27:16]  But I think his place sort of in the realm of New York real estate and how that sort of places him in the running with Jeffrey Epstein.
[00:27:27]  And I think especially in light of the fact that, and we talk about this a little bit more in the episode, but in the light of Bill Ackman and who, by the way, remember when he got Truan on banned from Twitter for talking shit about his fucking cheating wife, which by the way, we're talking shit and she does cheat.
[00:27:43]  I'm sorry, Bill.
[00:27:44]  You know, ask her about it.
[00:27:46]  I didn't cheat with her much.
[00:27:49]  But Glenn Dubin, all these guys backing Cuomo, I think it's just placing him in sort of the Epstein world.
[00:27:59]  Well, let's get to it.
[00:28:09]  Can I do a Cuomo voice?
[00:28:12]  Can you?
[00:28:12]  I don't know, can you?
[00:28:13]  Can you do one?
[00:28:14]  No.
[00:28:15]  No, no, no.
[00:28:16]  I need to hear it.
[00:28:18]  I listened to a long video of him talking earlier today, and I'm trying to, when I was at the DMV, oof, wow.
[00:28:26]  Wow.
[00:28:26]  That's a bit Catholic of you.
[00:28:28]  You put the hair shirt on there.
[00:28:30]  His voice is hard.
[00:28:31]  It's a weird, weird cadence.
[00:28:33]  And he's slowed down a little bit.
[00:28:35]  And I feel like it's a bit of an ethnic voice.
[00:28:38]  It is.
[00:28:39]  I think he plays into that.
[00:28:41]  Late?
[00:28:42]  No.
[00:28:44]  Late?
[00:28:45]  Ladies.
[00:28:46]  I can't do it.
[00:28:47]  Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the show.
[00:28:49]  Daniel Boguslaw, a freelance investigative reporter with a name meant for a personal injury attorney billboard.
[00:28:57]  You can see him at, including fullbody nudes at danbogeslaw.substack.com.
[00:29:03]  Just kidding about the nudes part.
[00:29:05]  He is just the penis.
[00:29:07]  Daniel, welcome to the show.
[00:29:09]  Thanks for having me.
[00:29:11]  I don't even know what to, I'm not even going to say.
[00:29:13]  It's not full body nudes.
[00:29:15]  It's just the way you're doing it.
[00:29:19]  It is Wednesday, June 18th, 2025 in New York City, or as Lance calls it, Heimy Town.
[00:29:27]  And there is a mayoral election next.
[00:29:30]  I'm so sad that Eric Adams is not going to be the mayor of New York City anymore.
[00:29:34]  Well, technically, he still is for like a while.
[00:29:37]  I just mean like, I know it's bad.
[00:29:40]  Like, he's a bad mayor.
[00:29:41]  And he should go.
[00:29:41]  He's a bad mayor.
[00:29:43]  But also, he's a funny mayor.
[00:29:45]  And I think all mayors should be funny.
[00:29:48]  Just to even, I want to talk about Adams for just one second.
[00:29:52]  So Adams, and no one's going to give a shit about this, but I have to mention because it's so funny.
[00:29:57]  Eric Adams, Amber Rose, and a live streamer named Sneeko had like cigars and like a live stream the other night.
[00:30:10]  It's so funny.
[00:30:11]  Did you watch it?
[00:30:12]  Of course.
[00:30:13]  No, no, of course I watched clips, I should say.
[00:30:16]  Oh, you see that almost reflexive lie, Daniel?
[00:30:18]  That's chat GPT.
[00:30:20]  That was Chat GPT'd her right there.
[00:30:22]  Do you think I feel like that is his trajectory, though?
[00:30:25]  Like the paths for Adams are trying to lay a sneaky groundwork I read.
[00:30:30]  He was trying to cultivate the Hasids to hold off on the Cuomo endorsement.
[00:30:36]  pulled off for him yeah I think I don't think it worked So there's been an interesting war for the Jews.
[00:30:43]  And I'm not talking about anything.
[00:30:45]  Well, it is kind of a post-October 7th.
[00:30:47]  But between Cuomo and Adams, a silent hidden war underneath the streets of New York City, at least.
[00:30:54]  Tunnel warfare.
[00:30:55]  Tunnel warfare, exactly.
[00:30:56]  Tunnel rats.
[00:30:57]  Well, no, I don't want to mix drugs here.
[00:30:59]  But there's been some tunnel warfare going on.
[00:31:00]  Eric Adams was going to run as an independent.
[00:31:03]  I think he still might.
[00:31:05]  He was gathering signatures for two different ballot lines, one of which was just called like make, you know, New York's good or whatever.
[00:31:13]  And the other one, which was, I think, called like, stop anti-Semitism or something.
[00:31:17]  Something like that.
[00:31:18]  And I think Adams was like, maybe I can pivot here.
[00:31:23]  And then Cuomo kind of came in and undercut him because Cuomo is, of course, frankly our anti-Semitism fucking goat.
[00:31:30]  I think it's fair to say.
[00:31:31]  Cuomo's a real professional.
[00:31:33]  Yes.
[00:31:34]  And so just to put this in the context, because so many of our listeners are from, you know, shanty towns, you know, at the foothills of the Appalachia.
[00:31:43]  Some of them are still in the mines.
[00:31:44]  They've never been out.
[00:31:45]  You know, their skin is white.
[00:31:46]  Their eyes are blind.
[00:31:47]  They're like those fish that have been down there for 5,000 years, you know, kind of gollum-type creatures.
[00:31:53]  And, you know, they might be like, well, why are you guys talking about who the hell is Andrew Cuomo anyways?
[00:31:56]  And his brother on TV or on the Adams.
[00:31:59]  On the Adams, yeah, which is hopefully will be banned under our new administration, no matter which way it goes.
[00:32:06]  Why are you guys talking about this?
[00:32:07]  Why is this important?
[00:32:09]  And I think it is important for us to talk about because it's not just a New York City issue.
[00:32:13]  Andrew Cuomo is a very prominent politician.
[00:32:14]  He was the governor of New York for three terms.
[00:32:17]  Well, two and a half.
[00:32:21]  And his campaign has been backed by an incredible sort of rogues' galleries of alleged, how do I say?
[00:32:34]  Hmm.
[00:32:35]  Well, let me say this with a in a public episode.
[00:32:39]  Yes.
[00:32:40]  Let's just say people who are more amenable to child rape than I think maybe the average citizen.
[00:32:46]  Let's say a rogues gallery of friends of the ghost that haunts this show.
[00:32:52]  Yes.
[00:32:53]  Jesus Christ.
[00:32:55]  No, of course, of Jeffrey Epstein.
[00:32:57]  He has famously received a lot of money from Bill Ackman.
[00:33:02]  We love him.
[00:33:03]  Whose beautiful wife, Niri, who does cheat, by the way, just putting that out there, who, well, not confirmed, but allegedly cheats and cheats very well.
[00:33:12]  You know, Bill Ackman had his problems with MIT because perhaps the relationship with Niri and Jeffrey and Joy Ito was going to be exposed.
[00:33:23]  Bill said, na-na.
[00:33:24]  And Glenn Dubin has actually, I believe, maxed out to Andrew Cuomo's mayoral campaign and donated a cool 25K to the super PAC.
[00:33:33]  Glenn Dubin, of course, his first political donations kind of since it came out that he was very close to Jeffrey Epstein.
[00:33:41]  Well, we all knew that, but that he and his wife might have been in the kind of thrupple.
[00:33:45]  That there was, of course, testimony for, or excuse me, yeah, it was testimony from, I believe, their former butler who says he met a very cold, shivering 13-year-old, 14-year-old girl in the Dubin's kitchen who had had her passport taken by Jeffrey Epstein and who was just back from the island and was very freaked out, spaced out, didn't know what to do.
[00:34:06]  That was in the Dubin's kitchen.
[00:34:08]  Very crazy, tangled relationship with that family.
[00:34:11]  That guy is back.
[00:34:12]  He's like, I'm coming out of the, I'm coming out.
[00:34:14]  I'm back in Cuomo to the hilt.
[00:34:17]  And I think sort of the star of one of the stars of today's show, a guy named Andrew Farkas.
[00:34:22]  Andrew Farkas.
[00:34:24]  It's a tough, tough name.
[00:34:26]  So what's going on here?
[00:34:29]  So Farkas' relationship with Cuomo has been covered a lot kind of each time Cuomo has run for different positions when he ran in 2006 for AG, 2010.
[00:34:46]  And there's been good reporting on this relationship with this extremely powerful New York City real estate boss.
[00:34:54]  I believe at one point his firm insignia was like the biggest, I don't know what the exact status, I think he was the biggest holder of New York City real estate in the city.
[00:35:06]  And the irony is that all this started with a very violent relationship back when Cuomo was in HUD under the Clinton administration.
[00:35:20]  Oh, another friend of, of course, Jeffrey Epstein.
[00:35:24]  So yeah, so that was sort of Cuomo's first like big, big national appointment.
[00:35:31]  I think he had been, I think his father had appointed him to the homeless, New York City Homeless Committee.
[00:35:36]  Yes, it was, it's funny because he actually has like a very sort of classic kind of astroturf activist portfolio where it's like he ran his dad's campaign.
[00:35:45]  His first job, I think, was like running his dad's campaign for governor.
[00:35:48]  And then he started an organization called, it's called like something, help.
[00:35:54]  It was like something for homelessness, blah, blah, blah, blah.
[00:35:58]  That there is some reporting on that I sent you that's like maybe where he's getting like kind of crazy kickbacks from the federal government.
[00:36:04]  It was like clearly was actually like doing a really bad job and other like homelessness organizations did not like them.
[00:36:10]  And one of the main accusations is it really seemed like it was just a way for Andrew Cuomo to sort of lift himself off to a higher office.
[00:36:17]  So speaking of kickbacks, he lifts off, he gets into HUD, and then he brings this suit against this guy, Andrew Farkas, in addition to other, actually the suit was against someone else.
[00:36:30]  Farkas is implicated as one of the intermediaries around kickbacks to a landlord and the sort of other companies that are involved in public housing.
[00:36:39]  Ultimately, all the parties end up settling.
[00:36:41]  I think it's around $7.5 million settlement.
[00:36:45]  And the whole time, you know, Farkas basically says, like, look, I'm kind of on the outside of this.
[00:36:51]  You know, I wasn't aware of any wrongdoing.
[00:36:53]  I didn't have my hands in any wrongdoing.
[00:36:56]  But they ultimately settle.
[00:36:58]  And so as you can imagine, this guy, Andrew Farkas, big time developer, is not pleased with Andrew Cuomo.
[00:37:07]  So we fast forward to 2002.
[00:37:12]  Cuomo is now trying to run for New York office.
[00:37:16]  He eats it in that race.
[00:37:19]  Then next year, he does not do well.
[00:37:22]  It's not looking good for him.
[00:37:24]  Then he goes through a brutal divorce to a Kennedy.
[00:37:28]  So that's lowering his status even more.
[00:37:33]  He might have been, was that the one who's like cheating with that chick who's like always going crazy online about him?
[00:37:39]  You know what I'm talking about?
[00:37:40]  Oh, the one who's doing that now.
[00:37:42]  Yeah, she's like doing it now.
[00:37:43]  That must mean that, and I I don't want to say this, but like he might be putting it down if that's still the case.
[00:37:52]  20 years later, she's like, I know Cuomo's the best.
[00:37:56]  I have whatever fucks Oran online after a brief affair.
[00:38:00]  I'm just saying.
[00:38:01]  Did you see someone like someone who said it was her brother was tweeting that?
[00:38:05]  I think that's fair.
[00:38:05]  That's fair.
[00:38:06]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:38:08]  Okay, so he's down bad.
[00:38:10]  The year is 2003.
[00:38:13]  And according to like three different reports, I think Village Voice, I think there was also a Times report from later that described their first meeting.
[00:38:23]  But a big guy in the real estate business in New York City is having a meeting.
[00:38:32]  And one of them is there and going and one of them is coming.
[00:38:35]  And they sort of have this like collision in this unnamed bigwig's office.
[00:38:41]  So some bigwig is having a meeting.
[00:38:42]  Farkas is, or either Farkas or Cuomo is in there and Farkas or Cuomo is coming, but they're both there.
[00:38:47]  And they're sort of, they run it.
[00:38:49]  They physically almost run into each other.
[00:38:51]  Yes, allegedly.
[00:38:52]  And, you know, this is like a guy who caused Farkas a lot of pain.
[00:38:58]  You know, he went after him.
[00:38:59]  It was, it was a, you know, the filings were all public.
[00:39:02]  Like, this is not good for your company.
[00:39:05]  But apparently, Cuomo kind of extends the olive branch at this point and says, you know, like, let's, let's talk this out.
[00:39:12]  Like, I'm out of government.
[00:39:15]  Now we can get real dirty.
[00:39:17]  And we can, we can roll around.
[00:39:20]  So that's the origin story of their relationship.
[00:39:22]  And over the course of the next 20 years, Farkas kind of becomes like Cuomo's guardian angel, like what was once his father's political clout in the state, you know, clearly didn't work out for Cuomo in the early 2000s.
[00:39:38]  He can't utilize that to win higher office.
[00:39:41]  But this guy comes along and basically scoops him up.
[00:39:44]  And after that meeting, he goes and works for Farkas.
[00:39:48]  And I think that the Times describes it as like his years in the wilderness.
[00:39:51]  You know, he's gone through this brutal marriage breakup.
[00:39:54]  He's like, he's just trying to find himself.
[00:39:57]  And he does a kind of eat prey love.
[00:40:00]  He does some travel.
[00:40:04]  He goes to Pattaya and Thailand.
[00:40:07]  You know, he goes to certain parts of Eastern Europe where there's not that many laws.
[00:40:12]  No, but yeah, he does.
[00:40:14]  He goes around a lot.
[00:40:15]  Farkas develops these global ambitions and he's expanding real estate outside of New York City with a company called Island Global Yachting.
[00:40:27]  And basically he gets in his head.
[00:40:28]  I've read interviews with him where he talks about being really into yachting and really into maritime navigation.
[00:40:36]  And that leads him to try to set up these sort of luxury deep water marinas across the globe.
[00:40:45]  You know, marinas that are dredged, I guess, deep enough that they can host luxury sort of super yachts, which we can talk about later because that's, I think that's an important piece of the story.
[00:40:57]  I don't like hearing anyone say that like they love yachting.
[00:41:00]  It's like the gossip columnist in me doesn't love hearing that.
[00:41:04]  Well, I had to do that for a few years when I was in LA.
[00:41:07]  But yeah, no, it's, it's, I mean, it's, it's funny because it's like, you know, it's just, it's a, it's kind of incredible because Cuomo did sort of present himself.
[00:41:19]  And, you know, listen, I wasn't there.
[00:41:21]  And maybe it was easy to get fooled, but he sort of presented himself as this guy.
[00:41:24]  And he actually kind of continually did this throughout his career as this guy who's like sort of going to clean up the mess.
[00:41:30]  You know, my father, Mario, he calls his dad Mario.
[00:41:33]  By the way, it's Mario.
[00:41:34]  Welcome to America.
[00:41:35]  We say Mario here after the famous Japanese video game character.
[00:41:42]  He's like, you know, my, you know, my dad, when my dad's in there, everything's all clean and spick and span.
[00:41:47]  I'm going to come back in and clean it up.
[00:41:48]  Meanwhile, he's out here, you know, begging this guy, Farkas.
[00:41:53]  Clearly, he's running into him.
[00:41:54]  You know, who knows what he's going to meet that guy for in that initial or like, you know, meet cute remeeting.
[00:42:00]  And he's like, you know, please, you know, I could, I can help you with this.
[00:42:03]  Well, but yeah, talking about cleanup man, I mean, that's what he later says is what he, he's kind of like the guy who gets called in to seal the deal on Farkas' yachting and real estate expansion.

=== Grandy's Palm Island Deals (04:47) ===

[00:42:18]  And the first place that we know that this happened is on St. Thomas.
[00:42:23]  And this was for a marina called American Yacht Haven Grande or potentially Grande.
[00:42:33]  You know, if you're talking the Starbucks yacht there.
[00:42:35]  You never know how he's going to say it with Mario.
[00:42:38]  So grandy.
[00:42:39]  Yeah.
[00:42:39]  Grandy.
[00:42:41]  It's the acting grandy.
[00:42:43]  So he he shows up.
[00:42:45]  There's there's like a fight going on there between the local residents and the developers.
[00:42:50]  And, you know, it's the way in his telling, it's very much like this, like old school New York, like making a deal, like business and normal working class people coming together to build a luxury in the Virgin Islands.
[00:43:04]  In the Virgin Islands.
[00:43:05]  Absolutely.
[00:43:06]  It is like New York kind of real estate deals in the sense that the Virgin Islands are just as bought and paid for by shady enterprises and shadow companies.
[00:43:15]  And actually, I went looking to try to find, foolishly went looking to try to find like some of the documents kind of tracing the negotiation and the fees.
[00:43:26]  And it's just, I got into like a heated back and forth with some Virgin Island administrators who just were just like, no.
[00:43:34]  Everything with the Virgin Islands is so tough tracking because it's like a shell company of a shell company with like, you know, one owner is like actually not the person.
[00:43:46]  It's contracted to another person who is part of another shell company.
[00:43:49]  And it's just all over the place.
[00:43:51]  And then they have like a very non-transparent development board.
[00:43:54]  Yeah.
[00:43:55]  So anyways, that's the first one we know about from Farkas.
[00:43:58]  And then the other one we know about that is from that time is in Dubai.
[00:44:04]  Ah.
[00:44:05]  The Palms.
[00:44:06]  Sure.
[00:44:07]  I don't know if we've seen aerial images of the Palms.
[00:44:11]  Oh, yeah.
[00:44:12]  I'm looking them up right now.
[00:44:15]  But this is a...
[00:44:16]  I just got back from there.
[00:44:17]  This is an artificial island.
[00:44:19]  Yeah, it's artificial.
[00:44:20]  This is a man-made.
[00:44:21]  Listen.
[00:44:22]  Or maybe archipelago.
[00:44:24]  It is not.
[00:44:25]  No, it's.
[00:44:26]  It is.
[00:44:28]  So it's island-ish, and it's shaped like a palm tree.
[00:44:33]  Or a mollusk.
[00:44:35]  Where like the other one.
[00:44:37]  Dude, check out.
[00:44:37]  Or a brain.
[00:44:38]  No, check out Palm Jabel Ali.
[00:44:41]  That shit looks like straight up a palmus.
[00:44:43]  It kind of also could be shaped like a skeleton, like a rib, like the ribs.
[00:44:48]  Yeah, you know, a mollusk.
[00:44:50]  Yeah.
[00:44:51]  Oh, there's one called The World that's under construction.
[00:44:55]  I don't really think it looks like it.
[00:44:56]  But it's a fake island, and it's, you know, it looks, it's very weird.
[00:45:01]  God, these things are so weird.
[00:45:03]  Anyway, so it's got all this stuff on this.
[00:45:06]  It's a weird, frilly island with a lot of luxury properties on it.
[00:45:14]  And according to a 2006 observer report, he is going there to help set up the secondary mortgage market for these in the UAE.
[00:45:29]  In the UAE for these luxury properties.
[00:45:33]  So again, he's like going in there in this sort of like fixer capacity.
[00:45:37]  And it's not exactly clear like what Andrew Cuomo knows about like the community of the Virgin Islands.
[00:45:45]  What does Andrew Cuomo know about setting up a secondary mortgage market in like a Gulf state?
[00:45:55]  These are questions I have.
[00:45:56]  I don't have answers to.
[00:45:58]  Well, I will say I can hazard a guess, at least at the Virgin Islands thing, and frankly, probably at the Dubai thing, at least in part as well, is it's like billionaire real estate people, moguls of various types, Russian mafia or various mafias from actually probably all over the world.
[00:46:18]  But kind of rich people who are at the very top of society, but sort of on the margins of legality, even if they are maybe not publicly so.
[00:46:29]  Who would love anyone who could help them get it in on any kind of like board authority.
[00:46:36]  Well yeah, I mean it's.
[00:46:37]  It's a very common sort of revolving door.
[00:46:39]  Right, you're in government, you get out because um, you stink, you stink.
[00:46:45]  Well no, because you know, we elected George W Bush to protect us from that horrible tragedy that did what was kind of a real estate thing um, and And.
[00:46:56]  Then you sort of leverage your skills of being the former governor of New York's Sun and former HUD secretary into doing things like setting up a secondary mortgage market in Dubai.

=== Southern Trust Revolving Door (15:30) ===

[00:47:05]  Yeah, and it's not contained to that period of time.
[00:47:09]  So we're going to have to go back and fill in some of the pieces here.
[00:47:12]  But a New York Times report from this year talks about how in Cuomo's second desert sojourn more recently after resigning the position of governor.
[00:47:23]  He went back?
[00:47:24]  He went back in.
[00:47:25]  Never go back to Dubai.
[00:47:27]  And he wandered for 48 years.
[00:47:29]  This time a third island, actually, neither Virgin nor Dubai, but Puerto Rico.
[00:47:35]  Oh.
[00:47:36]  Okay.
[00:47:37]  On behalf of Farkas in an attempt to develop an abandoned, I believe, Air Force base in Puerto Rico.
[00:47:45]  Yeah.
[00:47:45]  And that apparently did not happen.
[00:47:49]  It was not as successful as his earlier efforts.
[00:47:52]  I will say is crazy because there are hell of Puerto Ricans in New York.
[00:47:55]  So he would know some of them.
[00:47:57]  You know what I mean?
[00:47:59]  But, you know, whatever.
[00:48:01]  So it sounds like this relationship has endured since that meeting in whatever Big Wig's office.
[00:48:09]  At one point during one of his early runs, like, I think it was his, I think it was the run for AG in 2006.
[00:48:19]  Farkas actually served as his finance chair for his bid.
[00:48:25]  Because they're a best friend.
[00:48:26]  So they're connected and they're sort of like, yeah, it's like anytime Cuomo goes down, Farkas is there to sort of like prop him up, give him a landing pad.
[00:48:35]  And, you know, not only in terms of work, but also there's another report recently this year of Farkas helping to organize a donor call for Cuomo's stop anti-Semitism now organization.
[00:48:50]  I'm actually going to have to correct the record right now.
[00:48:54]  The organization is actually called Stop Anti-Semitism Now.
[00:48:59]  The NOW is capitalized as an exclamation point there, but it's just a regular stop.
[00:49:04]  Okay.
[00:49:05]  But it's stop anti-Semitism now, which, by the way, the website, it is so clearly, you should, if listeners, find the website for the Stop Anti-Semitism organization, Stop Anti-Semitism Now that.
[00:49:19]  Wait, is it different than Stop Anti-Semitism?
[00:49:21]  It's different than stopantisemitism.org because that's that crazy lady.
[00:49:25]  Right.
[00:49:25]  This is Cuomo's thing.
[00:49:28]  And there is just nothing on it.
[00:49:30]  Like, there's not even like, there's not board of directors.
[00:49:32]  It's just, it's a fake.
[00:49:33]  It's like so completely.
[00:49:35]  But I can't even find it.
[00:49:37]  I did.
[00:49:37]  Let me see if I can.
[00:49:38]  There's so much stop anti-Semitism stuff, which, okay.
[00:49:42]  Oh, I saw the actually.
[00:49:43]  Never mind.
[00:49:44]  We are all wrong.
[00:49:45]  It's called Never Again Now.
[00:49:47]  Wait, Never Again Now is so funny.
[00:49:50]  I'm sorry.
[00:49:50]  Yeah, we're not going to take that over.
[00:49:52]  You got to understand, listeners, there's so many groups saying the same thing.
[00:49:56]  Never now.
[00:49:57]  It's called Never Again Now.
[00:49:59]  Never Again Now is a non-profit social welfare organization devoted to providing education and promoting understanding about the relationship between Israel and the United States and the historic role that Jewish people play in this country and countering the epidemic of ignorance and hate.
[00:50:15]  The name sounds like an arrested developer.
[00:50:19]  The only thing on their website, there's no board of directors.
[00:50:21]  There's literally the only button you can click is a donate button.
[00:50:26]  There is no, like, there's literally nothing.
[00:50:29]  There's not a contact.
[00:50:30]  There's nothing on it.
[00:50:32]  But there is a video of Andrew Cuomo speaking at, yeah, in the Hamptons for 20 minutes.
[00:50:39]  I watched this video at the DMV earlier today.
[00:50:41]  Actually, frankly, I'm just full transparency.
[00:50:43]  I also watched this video yesterday, but I would.
[00:50:45]  You couldn't take it.
[00:50:46]  You had to go back to second.
[00:50:47]  I stopped paying attention.
[00:50:48]  I got hungry again.
[00:50:49]  But no, I stopped paying attention yesterday.
[00:50:51]  I just kind of had it on while I was going about it.
[00:50:52]  Never again.
[00:50:52]  Now.
[00:50:53]  He does call himself a Shabbos goi in this video.
[00:50:57]  And it's like, bro, you can't, like, come on, man.
[00:51:01]  But I'm saying, I wouldn't trust this man to turn on my oven for me.
[00:51:05]  I feel like he put me in it.
[00:51:07]  You know what I mean?
[00:51:07]  I mean, this guy, this guy is, is, it's so, it was so transparent.
[00:51:12]  And Farkas, I was under the impression sort of like put that together with him, right?
[00:51:18]  He was definitely, I mean, we know he was at least on one call with donors trying to raise money.
[00:51:26]  So I mean, it just seems like they've been, they've just been rocking with it since that meeting.
[00:51:33]  Yeah, I mean, it was, it's funny because there's, there's sort of a New York Times article about stop anti-Semitism now that's like, or excuse me, never again now.
[00:51:43]  Can you imagine Andrew Cuomo preventing the Holocaust?
[00:51:46]  The second one?
[00:51:47]  Cuomo, help me!
[00:51:50]  With him hiding you, you know?
[00:51:52]  Cool.
[00:51:53]  But he was going to do a gun safety project and then just kind of gave up on that and then did the anti-Semitism, the anti-Semitism one.
[00:52:04]  But I'm like, I don't understand.
[00:52:07]  Is he like, are the people donating to this?
[00:52:10]  It seems like maybe kind of a way to funnel money to Andrew Cuomo.
[00:52:14]  Yeah, I mean, I think it seems fake.
[00:52:15]  I mean, I don't, I don't know.
[00:52:17]  I haven't looked at the registration of that organization, but I mean, If you buy into the idea that anyone who's not Andrew Cuomo is an anti-Semite, then it seems like you could also spend money smearing all of those people with an organization called Never Again Now.
[00:52:36]  Well, I mean, so it was, of course, like it was run by one of his pollsters.
[00:52:42]  It was so clearly kind of his beginning attempts at a comeback.
[00:52:46]  And I think it dovetailed kind of nicely because, again, this is, I think, from 2024.
[00:52:50]  You know, it's like it was at a time when a lot of, let's say, prominent New Yorkers were very incensed over the protests at Columbia, for instance, and big donors.
[00:53:02]  And to have a guy being like, you know, I will hide you.
[00:53:06]  Yeah.
[00:53:06]  And it's interesting that, I don't know, I've seen like libs online say that like he's just like Trump and it's like he's like, you know, credibly accused of sexual harassment, all this stuff.
[00:53:18]  But it's actually kind of like the complete inverse because like Trump did have like these wacko like online base kind of first, like pumping him up and being like, this guy's nuts.
[00:53:29]  And all the business interests initially were kind of like, this is like this is going to fuck up all right in 2016.
[00:53:36]  And this is like the total reverse where you have this guy saying that he's like the tip of the spear making a comeback and that you know he's like doing all this astro turf stuff, but really it's all the oldest, biggest corporate New York City interests back on it.
[00:53:51]  So it's like just because they're both weird looking guys who have allegedly groped, you know, the backing and the trajectory is like completely different.
[00:54:02]  Yeah, it's interesting.
[00:54:03]  Although there's many overlaps, I guess, even within the so I mean, that's going back to our friend Andrew.
[00:54:11]  Yeah, Farkas.
[00:54:12]  So he's also heavily invested with Kushner's firm.
[00:54:18]  And in fact, there's a lot of pictures online.
[00:54:20]  I believe he attended the opening of Yacht Haven Grande with Jared Kushner.
[00:54:28]  That's probably so fucking fun.
[00:54:30]  Could you imagine Kushner just giving you that stare?
[00:54:33]  The Steve Miller.
[00:54:33]  He was either pre-Botox.
[00:54:38]  Yeah, pre-his like cheek implants or whatever the fuck he did to his face.
[00:54:42]  And I guess that's kind of why, because Steve Miller's stare is just natty, but Jared Kushner's kind of like beady stare is, I would say, the result of a lot of body modifications.
[00:54:54]  He's enhanced.
[00:54:55]  He's in hand.
[00:54:56]  He's a genetic.
[00:54:56]  He's enhanced that.
[00:54:57]  I think the big issue is that it's a human.
[00:55:00]  We've got a bleff gone wrong.
[00:55:02]  Yeah.
[00:55:02]  That's clearly what happened here.
[00:55:04]  But he's all like they went on a building, a bunch of buildings together.
[00:55:07]  And he knows Trump.
[00:55:08]  I think he went to the inauguration.
[00:55:10]  Andrew Farkas.
[00:55:11]  Farkas, yeah.
[00:55:12]  So like they definitely go way back to Trump and Farkas from New York City, you know, building buildings.
[00:55:20]  Yeah.
[00:55:22]  Well, yeah, I mean, Farkas.
[00:55:23]  So, I mean, Farkas comes from this family that started this department store, Alexanders.
[00:55:31]  And Trump at one point owned like 20 and then I think almost up to maybe 27, 28% of Alexander's before being forced to sell it, I think, to cover some debts.
[00:55:42]  But, you know, like Trump was literally in business with Andrew Farkas and the Farkas family.
[00:55:47]  Like prior, that was prior, actually immediately prior to him hiring Cuomo.
[00:55:51]  So that was in the 1990s when Cuomo was at HUD.
[00:55:54]  Trump was invested with Farkas.
[00:55:56]  And then in the early 2000s, I believe he was forcibly disinvested.
[00:56:00]  It's just interesting that like the coverage of this race, I feel like the Times has been hammering Cuomo pretty hard.
[00:56:05]  And they did really good, you know, to give the New York Times credit, like they did do good, extensive coverage of this in like 2010.
[00:56:14]  And then I think even like a couple years after that, but then it sort of just like dropped off.
[00:56:20]  And I don't know, it's just interesting, especially right around the like 2018, 2019 time when Epstein goes down.
[00:56:30]  You know, there's this moment where stuff not in the Times, but in other press, whether it's, I think it's like Financial Times and also again, The Observer and The Voice, like they start picking up on the weird connections that have surfaced and kind of aggregated around Farkas and Epstein.
[00:56:51]  So let's go back to that.
[00:56:53]  I mean, Jeffrey Epstein, who you might know.
[00:56:56]  From this podcast.
[00:56:57]  From this podcast, but was a real guy who had real feelings.
[00:57:02]  Real thoughts.
[00:57:03]  Real thoughts.
[00:57:05]  Real heart to him.
[00:57:06]  I thought it was interesting.
[00:57:07]  You sent me something the other day that I think was Jonathan Farkas, which is Andrew Farkas' what, uncle?
[00:57:12]  Uncle.
[00:57:12]  Uncle.
[00:57:13]  And was Epstein's like best friend.
[00:57:15]  Yeah, he said he met Epstein in 82.
[00:57:17]  Yeah.
[00:57:18]  And it's crazy early.
[00:57:20]  Andy like visited him repeatedly in Palm Beach.
[00:57:22]  Yes.
[00:57:23]  Yeah.
[00:57:23]  In 2011 or 12, I think.
[00:57:26]  Yes.
[00:57:27]  So like post, because remember, Epstein goes down like 2006, 2007, 2008.
[00:57:33]  So anything, any interactions anyone has with him in that or after that time is interaction with somebody that they know was just busted for no, I think he visited him in jail.
[00:57:43]  He did visit him in jail.
[00:57:45]  For the like makeshift jail.
[00:57:46]  The Epstein I know and love.
[00:57:48]  Yeah.
[00:57:48]  Or he's like, I don't know anything, so I just focus on the stuff I do know.
[00:57:52]  Funny thing about Jonathan Farkas is that his wife, Summer Farkas, Summers Farkas, I believe, is kind of socialized.
[00:58:00]  She was appointed to ambassador to Malta by Trump.
[00:58:04]  Whoa.
[00:58:05]  Yeah, just throwing that out.
[00:58:06]  Do you have to go live on Malta if you're ambassador to Malta after that?
[00:58:11]  I think you do, but also I think that there were like rumors that they were like going to close the embassy when the U.S. was like scrounging around for spare change or whatever the fuck they were doing, looking at the budget.
[00:58:24]  Well, a funny thing involved.
[00:58:26]  No, like the U.S. was like, where can we cut?
[00:58:28]  And they're like, we don't need an ambassador to Malta.
[00:58:30]  And it's like, yeah, because everything goes through the fucking mob there.
[00:58:33]  And the Knights, of course.
[00:58:34]  Sure.
[00:58:35]  Funnily enough, I actually was reading about her yesterday.
[00:58:37]  There was a, they had a New York Times article about them, a promise to love, honor, and bear no children.
[00:58:44]  I think it's his, because she's his third wife.
[00:58:46]  And he was like, no more kids.
[00:58:49]  You got to promise me no kids.
[00:58:51]  But he was, so Jonathan Farkas, his uncle, is very close with Epstein.
[00:58:57]  Andrew Farkas, right?
[00:58:58]  Andrew Farkas' uncle.
[00:58:59]  But Andrew, and a little background about Epstein's sort of involvement in just the Virgin Islands, I want to give here.
[00:59:07]  So he bought Little St. James, the so-called Bedefell Island.
[00:59:11]  And I don't mean so-called, I mean, that's just, that's what they're still calling it.
[00:59:15]  In 1998.
[00:59:16]  In 2016, he actually bought Great St. James, the big island right next to it.
[00:59:24]  Reportedly because he was sick of rubberneckers, which is so funny, who probably just were like going around the island, you know.
[00:59:33]  And obviously, as we covered pretty extensively on the show, he had deep, deep, deep ties to the political scene in the U.S. Virgin Islands.
[00:59:43]  Genuinely, like almost every prominent politician there was on the Epstein payroll, like including the first lady of the U.S. Virgin Islands, Cecil DeJong, who was employed by Jeffrey Epstein, who I found in, I actually hadn't realized this.
[01:00:00]  There is a number of lawsuits by, I think, about six or seven Jane Does against the government of the U.S. Virgin Islands right now.
[01:00:07]  And they're sort of working their way through the courts.
[01:00:10]  And in one of them, Jane Doe number six, I believe, says that Cecil DeJong was present when Jane Doe number six was sexually assaulted by Jeffrey Epstein in the office there.
[01:00:20]  And that is, by the way, the first lady of the U.S. Virgin Islands, who indisputably, this isn't a matter of contention or whatever, was like his business manager within the U.S. Virgin Islands.
[01:00:32]  Epstein paid for the DeJong children to go to school.
[01:00:37]  You know, he had the congresswoman from there in his pocket, Stacey Plaskett, I think her name is.
[01:00:44]  You know, she was going up to the townhouse in New York to get donations from him.
[01:00:49]  I mean, he was in close with them.
[01:00:51]  So that's just a little bit.
[01:00:54]  And of course, also when the Attorney General of the U.S. Virgin Islands, I think she was suing JP Morgan, was fired on Christmas, right?
[01:01:05]  Or was it New Year's Eve?
[01:01:06]  It was like right after Christmas.
[01:01:08]  Yeah.
[01:01:08]  Yeah.
[01:01:09]  She was not supposed to file that suit and she got fired for it.
[01:01:13]  So that's just that's a little bit about Jeffrey Epstein.
[01:01:16]  Sorry.
[01:01:16]  No, no, but let's, I mean, let's go off that in Virgin Islands.
[01:01:20]  Um, because what would come out much, much later, I think it came out in, I want to say 2018, I think in a Bloomberg story, uh, was that Farkas and Jeffrey Epstein were 50-50 owners in another marina on St. Thomas.
[01:01:40]  So Cuomo had been involved in building this first one, this first deepwater one, the Grande, the Grande.
[01:01:46]  And then there was a second one constructed called American Yacht Harbor.
[01:01:52]  And it was this one that it was eventually revealed was split 50-50.
[01:01:58]  Epstein-Farkas, this is where Epstein had his alleged like gene aggregation facility or something.
[01:02:07]  Are you talking about Southern Trust?
[01:02:08]  Yeah.
[01:02:08]  Southern Trust.
[01:02:11]  No.
[01:02:12]  First of all, Southern Trust was like a shell company, like all of them.
[01:02:15]  The one before it was called like Financial Trust.
[01:02:18]  And that was the one I think that I get them a little mixed up, but Financial Trust, I think, is the one that was funneling in some like post-financial crisis payouts from losses accrued.
[01:02:33]  But banks, Bear Stearns was like making people whole.

=== Page Six Dubai Rumor (14:51) ===

[01:02:36]  And one of his accounts was one of those.
[01:02:39]  But Southern Trust, I think when he like pitched the Virgin Islands Commerce Board or whatever, I think the I think that was the company that was.
[01:02:46]  Yeah, no, he said it was like, he was like, oh, this is for Southern Trust.
[01:02:50]  What we do is we make algorithms so that we can identify if people have a predisposition to cancer.
[01:02:56]  That's how he pitched it on the papers and to the Virgin Islands.
[01:03:02]  But like that is not what Jeffrey Epstein was doing.
[01:03:05]  Right.
[01:03:06]  And I mean, is there a scientist who, you know what I mean?
[01:03:08]  Like, obviously, we have Stephen Hawkins going on there wheeling around the island, you know what I mean?
[01:03:14]  Couple of girls in his lap.
[01:03:15]  But we didn't have, like, there's no like mid-level scientists who were like, I worked at the Jeffrey Epstein lab to like discover things.
[01:03:22]  I don't know.
[01:03:23]  The question though is like, did he, like, he always was like going on about his like breeding program and shit, right?
[01:03:28]  So the question is, like, did he have it in his head that like he thought he was actually gonna I mean, I think he was like investing in a lot of different things.
[01:03:36]  There was just that big times piece that about um coming out about how Epstein had made huge investments in Valar, which is like one of Teal's funds, which now it's like doubled.
[01:03:48]  He's like doubled his investment to like 140 million, which is fucking crazy.
[01:03:52]  But so he was like invest and like try to back a bunch of different scientists or like thinkers.
[01:04:00]  Cause like you said, Brace, he was hosting all those salons, which is like what he's doing with Hawking.
[01:04:05]  But in terms of him like running a lab even or just like, I don't even think it was something like that because one of the big things he was doing with the Virgin Islands, I mean, remember when he was working with the government of the Virgin Islands to get visas for quote-unquote international students, which he then would then work with the universities to make sure they were like signed up for classes, even though that's not what he was doing.
[01:04:29]  He was just getting girls onto the islands.
[01:04:32]  Like everything that man run was a con for sex and money.
[01:04:38]  Yes.
[01:04:38]  I mean, he was funneling money for people.
[01:04:40]  And like, you know, it's the Virgin Islands.
[01:04:45]  But actually, the Bloomberg story that broke this makes an interesting point about this moment in his life and his trajectory, which is that it was like right when the first, I think it was right when the first indictment came in in 2007.
[01:04:59]  And so the framing of that Bloomberg article is like, there's eerie parallels with Cuomo because it's written as like Jeffrey Epstein was like the chickens were finally coming home to roost.
[01:05:10]  Like he finally knew he had been caught.
[01:05:13]  He was freaked out.
[01:05:14]  You know, we still don't fully know like what state his assets were in at that point.
[01:05:20]  We don't know like where he was at fully with Wexner.
[01:05:24]  And so the way that that article frames it is very much like he was down bad.
[01:05:29]  He needed a place to like kind of sit and like park some of his assets.
[01:05:34]  And Farkas basically, for whatever reason, cut this deal.
[01:05:38]  And when I found that article, I went back and I was trying to understand their relationship a little bit more.
[01:05:44]  And I found this incredible picture just like going through like the mass, like 800 pictures of this.
[01:05:52]  I'd found it on Reddit and then it was in Getty.
[01:05:54]  And it was of a 2005 Victoria's Secret fashion show.
[01:05:59]  And there's a lineup of the front row with Wexner at one far end.
[01:06:04]  And in the middle is Farkas, Epstein, and Ben Soyim, who we'll probably get to later in terms of the Dubai deals.
[01:06:16]  But I mean, that picture puts it at least at 2005 when they were talking.
[01:06:22]  How exactly they created this arrangement is very unclear.
[01:06:26]  There was a lawsuit several years later, I think like 2013, 2014, kind of looking into the finances of Farkas' company.
[01:06:37]  And, you know, there's a long transcript where an auditor is basically interrogating one of the bookkeepers for this marina, American Yacht Harbor, and asking, like, how was it not disclosed that Epstein was a partner here?
[01:06:53]  Like, isn't that relevant information going forward?
[01:06:57]  And it's very murky.
[01:06:58]  It's very unclear What was going on financially inside of that arena, even reading those kind of court documents.
[01:07:08]  And there's articles where Farkas is pressed on this.
[01:07:12]  And they ask him, when did the relationship start?
[01:07:14]  What was the nature of your business investment?
[01:07:16]  Were there business investments outside of American Yacht Harbor?
[01:07:20]  And he obviously says, I'm not answering your questions.
[01:07:25]  Well, I just want to say, and this is maybe a little outside the remit of this article in general.
[01:07:33]  The predilection towards younger women is shared between Epstein and Farkas, where Farkas, of course, is reaching the legal limit.
[01:07:44]  Andrew Farkas actually left his second wife for a co-ed, as it's described on page six of the New York Post, from his old alma mater, Harvard.
[01:07:56]  And I just want to read out a part of the page six reporting on this.
[01:08:01]  Billionaire real estate titan Andrew Farkas has divorced his stunning second wife, Sandy, with an eye, and has taken up with a 22-year-old Harvard senior.
[01:08:11]  At least he's a senior.
[01:08:12]  Sources said mega yacht lover and governor Andrew Cuomo crony Farkas.
[01:08:16]  Ooh, interesting.
[01:08:17]  They call him Cuomo's crony, who is 56, is cavorting around the Hamptons with a busty senior from his alma mater.
[01:08:26]  Farkas is a big Harvard benefactor who is the chairman and grand sphinx of the university's Hasty Pudding Institute of 1770, the famed social club that cultivates talent in the performing arts, satire, and comedy.
[01:08:38]  There's even a Farkas Hall on campus.
[01:08:41]  A source sniffed, his new girlfriend is still at Harvard and younger than his daughter from his first marriage.
[01:08:46]  He has rented a house in the North Haven area for the girlfriend who's from Pakistan, Pakistan, and they are partying up with her friends.
[01:08:53]  Farkas also owns the fancy Montauk Yacht Club.
[01:08:56]  So it's.
[01:08:57]  And Hasty Pudding was forced to return like a bunch of money, I think, that was linked to Epstein.
[01:09:03]  Yeah.
[01:09:04]  Jesus Christ.
[01:09:05]  What are they doing with all the money?
[01:09:07]  Investing it?
[01:09:08]  I guess, yeah.
[01:09:10]  I think that's most of the Virgin Islands connection.
[01:09:15]  Although it is worth saying that when Epstein went to was emailing back and forth with Staley, he says that he owns two marinas.
[01:09:31]  So we know from the financial records that he had a 50% share in the second marina.
[01:09:35]  But in the emails that came out in the Wall Street Journal, he talks, he tells Staley that he owns two marinas.
[01:09:42]  You know, one, the one that Cuomo helped finalize, and the second one.
[01:09:48]  And, you know, all these companies, it's like they've changed hands millions of times.
[01:09:53]  Those transactions are held in the Virgin Islands largely or Privately traded companies.
[01:10:00]  So that the full financial structure and dealings of both of those places are hard to ascertain.
[01:10:06]  And we also know that Epstein was constantly bluffing and kind of overemphasizing his connections.
[01:10:14]  But it is interesting that he said that he had a connection to that first one, that initial landing pad, and that he referenced both of them as the sort of gateways to St. James, We're his island.
[01:10:38]  So let's talk about another little island, the beautiful island of Dubai.
[01:10:44]  Which, of course, is not an island in the let's say physical sense, but I think to me, an island of serenity, of peace, an island of innovation in the Gulf.
[01:10:56]  Remember when they were all gonna, when Saudi Arabia was gonna cut off Qatar?
[01:11:02]  Do you guys remember that?
[01:11:03]  Yes, vaguely.
[01:11:04]  They had a plan when that, like, those things were getting really hairy between Saudi Arabia and Qatar.
[01:11:08]  They had a plan to dredge a canal that would literally have made Qatar, which is like a little nub sticking off of the Gulf, an island.
[01:11:20]  That's like really creative.
[01:11:22]  It's incredible sort of villain.
[01:11:25]  Neom.
[01:11:26]  It's kind of similar.
[01:11:28]  It's a similar mega project.
[01:11:30]  Yeah.
[01:11:30]  I mean, honestly, I'm like, I looked at the planzers and like, why couldn't do it?
[01:11:35]  Neome.
[01:11:38]  But, but, you know, Dubai, to me, has treated this podcast very well.
[01:11:43]  We're there every other week.
[01:11:44]  You know, obviously, Studio B is there.
[01:11:48]  And what is what is going on?
[01:11:52]  What is going on here?
[01:11:53]  Secondary mortgage markets.
[01:11:54]  That's where the money is made.
[01:11:57]  So, again, this is going back to the Observer.
[01:12:01]  Farkas says that he was there on behalf of Farkas' firm that he would Cuomo, that he would stay in the five-star Jumeira Emirates Towers, which are luxury towers there.
[01:12:18]  But then once you get past there of like what Cuomo's day-to-day looked like over there, it becomes much murkier.
[01:12:28]  We know from the observer reporting that he was paid hundreds of thousands of dollars during this year for his work for Farkas.
[01:12:35]  That came through in, I believe, disclosures, which I requested but could never get my hands on.
[01:12:42]  I don't know if those were like disclosures that he sent direct to reporters in 2006 or whether they were publicly posted.
[01:12:49]  Either way, there's a different agency in New York now that collects those and monitors disclosures.
[01:12:57]  They said they didn't have them anymore.
[01:13:00]  But the key here is that this guy who's kind of on the Dubai side, on the UAE side of everything's name, is Ben Suleim.
[01:13:10]  And he is sort of like not directly in the royal family, but he's sort of like one of the people in the second or third ring.
[01:13:19]  He's a courtier, perhaps?
[01:13:23]  Yeah, I don't know what his official title is, something to that effect.
[01:13:30]  And he's kind of involved in the ports in Dubai, overseeing the port system, overseeing the sort of sovereign investment arm of UAE.
[01:13:42]  And he is perpetually a reference for Jeffrey Epstein.
[01:13:48]  So like whenever Jeffrey Epstein is trying to like buy an island or make an investment, he lists this guy who again is pictured with Epstein in 2005 at the Victoria's Secret Fashion Show.
[01:14:01]  He denies that he had any knowledge of this.
[01:14:03]  He says he just wrote down my name.
[01:14:05]  So Epstein is just putting this guy's name as a reference.
[01:14:08]  And he's like, I didn't even know he did.
[01:14:10]  I didn't know it was an emergency contact.
[01:14:12]  I thought he would people closer to him.
[01:14:14]  Although the journal, again, reports that he had scheduled visits to Epstein's townhouse in, I believe, 2011 and 2014.
[01:14:22]  Oh, is that?
[01:14:23]  Are you talking about the sort of leaked schedule that got to the journal?
[01:14:27]  Yeah.
[01:14:28]  So there's a lot of, you know, there's a lot of times when they were either photographed in the room together or when they were scheduled to be in the room together.
[01:14:38]  But the guy who runs the ports in any country is the dirtiest motherfucker without a doubt.
[01:14:44]  Without a doubt.
[01:14:45]  The most connected.
[01:14:46]  Never cross him.
[01:14:48]  Never even try to look into who he's working with.
[01:14:50]  He's working with everybody.
[01:14:52]  And then he's working with everybody's enemy.
[01:14:54]  And I want to look this up quickly because I believe that he also went to Trump's inauguration.
[01:15:03]  Okay, here's a picture of them with.
[01:15:05]  Okay, so he was, this picture is from 2007 in St. Thomas.
[01:15:10]  It shows Bensulem, Don Jr. and Farkas at the opening of Yacht Haven Grant.
[01:15:21]  So they were both at the opening of the marina, which Cuomo was the fixer for getting over the finish line.
[01:15:31]  So again, like this strange foreign player at one point.
[01:15:38]  That's Donald Trump Jr. in this photo.
[01:15:40]  Yeah, that's crazy.
[01:15:41]  That's crazy, right?
[01:15:42]  Let me see.
[01:15:44]  He 100% had a chin-in clan.
[01:15:46]  Yeah, like a little bumpy.
[01:15:47]  Yeah, I feel like with the Trump kids, like those two, dude, they're fucked looking.
[01:15:53]  Actually, it's just the beard, I think, because I forgot who did his like lumberjack thing.
[01:15:57]  But that's a tough git.
[01:15:58]  He kind of did his like budget tucker, like I'm a main, you know, I live in a cabin and bullshit.
[01:16:04]  There's another page six from, I guess, what year was the first, what the indictment for Epstein went public in 2007, right?
[01:16:12]  Yeah, 2007 or 208.
[01:16:13]  So, like, I think a month or two, or no, no, sorry, this was after he'd done his prison time.
[01:16:18]  There was a page six article that said that he was going to move to Dubai.
[01:16:22]  And they were like, no.
[01:16:24]  Yeah.
[01:16:24]  They denied it.
[01:16:26]  But obviously, we know he traveled to the Gulf extensively, that he had said he was managing the Saudi Sovereign Wealth Fund.
[01:16:36]  So it's just incredible that both of these players who had their own real estate stakes in Virgin Islands and UAE were kind of like tied to Farkas and keep showing up in pictures.
[01:16:53]  And at one point, Epstein also lists Farkas as a reference, which Farkas also similarly denies having any knowledge of.
[01:17:03]  But they are repeat players.
[01:17:06]  And, you know, Farkas also becomes this repeat player in Cuomo's life.
[01:17:10]  And it feels like when there's an election cycle and the knives are out, you know, the Times kind of sticks its team combining politics reporters with real estate players and metro desk guys.
[01:17:22]  And they're able to tell this incredible, like, old school story of connecting all these dogs.

=== Ghelane And The Kennedys (03:05) ===

[01:17:27]  Totally.
[01:17:27]  And like, it's fascinating.
[01:17:29]  I mean, New York City is huge and complex and a lot of the same problems.
[01:17:33]  Dirty as hell.
[01:17:33]  It's been the same, right?
[01:17:34]  And not just the rats.
[01:17:35]  Yeah.
[01:17:36]  There's rats everywhere.
[01:17:38]  So I don't know.
[01:17:39]  Albany, too.
[01:17:39]  I felt like I made some calls.
[01:17:43]  I tried to get a little more string on this.
[01:17:45]  And the thing I kept getting told over and over again was that Andrew Cuomo is the best cleaner, not only in New York City, but in the world.
[01:17:52]  And you're not going to know what these relationships looked like because he kept them close and kept them under reps.
[01:18:12]  There's another connection, too, that you pointed out that I didn't know about between the, let's say, Epstein, I don't know, group and Cuomo and, of course, the Kennedys.
[01:18:27]  Yes, this was Gislane's appearance at Andrew Cuomo's wedding, which was in 1990 to Carrie Kennedy.
[01:18:39]  This is what we talked about at the beginning falling apart.
[01:18:43]  And I think this comes out of a book, right?
[01:18:48]  Yeah, by Christina Oxenberg, who is like, it's called Trash, Encounters with Ghelane Maxwell.
[01:18:55]  But it's sort of, you know, I never actually read it.
[01:18:57]  It's one of those books I'm like, I should maybe pick this one up.
[01:19:01]  But it's sort of her basically about, I guess, her encounters with Ghelane and seeing her over the years.
[01:19:11]  Yeah, okay, she says, she reads that some friends and family gathered at Ethel Kennedy's home in McLean, Virginia, which is where Oxenberg said she met the now infamous sociolite.
[01:19:21]  I was standing with my then husband, Damien Elwies, a British painter, when Ghislaine sauntered over.
[01:19:28]  She and Damien burst with enthusiastic greetings.
[01:19:32]  I would later learn that they were friends from their Oxford days, which I put in quotes because Damien never attended Oxford.
[01:19:39]  So that's also just so weird that she's just there.
[01:19:45]  I mean, it's funny because that's like kind of when Ghelane, you saying this happened in 1990?
[01:19:51]  I mean, that's kind of when she like burst on the scene.
[01:19:54]  Yeah.
[01:19:54]  And interestingly enough, like one of the things that her father wanted her to do was actually get close to the Kennedys.
[01:20:01]  And it would make sense that she was able to sort of weasel her way into the invites to a Kennedy and Cuomo, two great dynasties combining.
[01:20:12]  There's other, I mean, there's other sprinkles.
[01:20:15]  There's, you know, Cuomo is in Cuomo's, Chris Cuomo's wife is in Epstein's black book.
[01:20:27]  I think Cuomo is also in the black book.
[01:20:31]  Both Cuomo.

=== Dynasties Converging (01:46) ===

[01:20:32]  Both Cuomo are.
[01:20:32]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:20:35]  Chris Cuomo spends a lot of time every time there's like a real or fake disclosure, like the recent FBI release, DOJ release, spends a lot of time on his show talking about how it's like not real and to not look into it any further, which is pretty funny.
[01:20:54]  But yeah, it's just crazy.
[01:20:57]  And it's crazy that we're on the precipice recording this of like this wild return of the era when all of this was like first starting to ferment and percolate.
[01:21:09]  Like, you know, Cuomo kind of first dipping his toes into serious politics in the 90s, you know, Epstein kind of like getting his start then.
[01:21:18]  And then this sort of like cascade of disclosures and failures and breakdowns.
[01:21:23]  And then all of a sudden it all just like reforming and recoalescing.
[01:21:27]  And all of the same actors and all of the same players less visibly now than before, but kind of all dotting the news reports and sort of peeking their heads out.
[01:21:39]  And yeah, it's very, very cyclical.
[01:21:42]  Like cockroaches.
[01:21:44]  Like cockroaches.
[01:21:46]  Well, Daniel, thank you very much for coming on the show.
[01:21:48]  You can see more of Daniel at his sub stack, which we'll be linking in the description for the show.
[01:21:57]  And yeah, we'll see you next time.
[01:21:59]  Thanks for having me.
[01:22:11]  All right, let's wrap this up.
[01:22:12]  I'm Liz.
[01:22:13]  My name is Bryce.
[01:22:14]  I'm Producer Young Chomsky.
[01:22:16]  And this has been Trunon.
[01:22:18]  We'll see you next time.