True Anon Truth Feed - Episode 416: The Player Hater's Ball
Aired: 2024-10-31
Duration: 02:04:11


=== Counting Ballots Next Week (01:43) ===

[00:00:00]  I'm not just MAGA.
[00:00:02]  I'm Donk Gothic MAGA.
[00:00:05]  U.S.A. U.S.A. U.S.A. U.S.A. P.O.A. Do you think you just fell out of a coconut tree?
[00:00:23]  Welcome to the show, ladies and gentlemen.
[00:00:27]  My name is Brace.
[00:00:30]  I'm Liz.
[00:00:31]  We are, of course, joined by producer Young Chomsky.
[00:00:34]  And this is Truanan.
[00:00:36]  Hello.
[00:00:37]  Hello.
[00:00:38]  We are, it is seven days from the election.
[00:00:41]  Seven days.
[00:00:42]  One week to the election.
[00:00:43]  One week, unless you voted early, in which case the election is done for you.
[00:00:47]  The election is still next week.
[00:00:49]  But, you know, Newsflash, they don't count those ballots.
[00:00:52]  They don't count those ballots.
[00:00:53]  So you wasted your vote.
[00:00:54]  No.
[00:00:55]  I mean, those ballots do get counted.
[00:00:56]  They just get counted by Kamala's campaign staff, who throws the ones that vote for Trump in the trash.
[00:01:02]  Yes.
[00:01:03]  Kamala's campaign comrades.
[00:01:05]  I cannot wait until this election and country is over.
[00:01:09]  Well, it does feel like it's headed that way.
[00:01:12]  I am so filled with hatred right now.
[00:01:16]  For the election cycle?
[00:01:17]  I know.
[00:01:17]  I do.
[00:01:18]  Before we get into the episode today, I just want to say, because all of you listeners are so ungrateful all the time, Brace and I have attended way more campaign events than we intended to attend.
[00:01:36]  I didn't even vote for president.
[00:01:38]  We're non-voters.
[00:01:40]  No, I'm an undecided voter.
[00:01:41]  I haven't decided whether to vote for president yet.

=== Smelling Salts and Regret (03:01) ===

[00:01:43]  Yeah, well, that's a good question.
[00:01:44]  I don't think I've voted for a president since Obama 2008.
[00:01:48]  Yeah.
[00:01:49]  So I just want to say, first of all, you're welcome.
[00:01:55]  And second of all, no thank you.
[00:01:58]  I don't ever want to do this again.
[00:02:00]  No.
[00:02:00]  I said that at the DNC.
[00:02:02]  I'm going to say it.
[00:02:03]  I'm going to go to the DNC.
[00:02:04]  That was a tough one.
[00:02:06]  And I thought that was going to be the worst of it.
[00:02:09]  And then Trump announces that he is doing the rally to end all rallies at Madison Square Garden.
[00:02:17]  Maguson Square Garden.
[00:02:21]  This, of course, piqued my interest because I love Madison Square Garden.
[00:02:25]  And I was like, we got to go.
[00:02:26]  They got the best hot dogs in town, which everybody knows.
[00:02:29]  Yeah, which he didn't need.
[00:02:30]  Well, we'll talk about that.
[00:02:32]  And we were so excited to go.
[00:02:36]  And it was maybe one of the worst days of my life.
[00:02:41]  I'm trying to think of what else has happened.
[00:02:43]  I've overdosed.
[00:02:45]  My mother died.
[00:02:47]  I was in war.
[00:02:48]  A bunch of bad things have happened in my personal life.
[00:02:51]  In war.
[00:02:52]  Look the way you put that.
[00:02:53]  Well, some of those are pretty good.
[00:02:55]  Some of those days I liked.
[00:02:58]  A bunch of, but you know, the regular bad stuff that happens to everybody.
[00:03:01]  The crackers that you're eating that night.
[00:03:04]  Oh, we'll get into that.
[00:03:05]  Because I ate a whole, not a whole, but like three quarters of a pack the other night.
[00:03:10]  It was nasty.
[00:03:12]  It was not a good thing to wake up.
[00:03:14]  In fact, I think it was the night after the night of the, anyways.
[00:03:18]  Low crumbo.
[00:03:18]  Bad things have happened in my life.
[00:03:19]  Bad things happen in everyone's life.
[00:03:20]  I understand that.
[00:03:21]  I'm not saying I'm special.
[00:03:23]  This was one of the this is like in the pantheon.
[00:03:26]  It was a tough day.
[00:03:27]  It's a day that will live in personal infamy for me forever.
[00:03:31]  And I think maybe for other people, depending on how things shake out next week.
[00:03:34]  I gotta, hold on.
[00:03:36]  I gotta take.
[00:03:36]  What is that?
[00:03:37]  None of your fucking business.
[00:03:38]  Is that Pepto?
[00:03:42]  Smelling salt.
[00:03:42]  Is it really smelling salt?
[00:03:49]  I'm ready to talk about this.
[00:03:51]  What does that do?
[00:03:52]  Do you want to try it?
[00:03:53]  No.
[00:03:55]  I'm non-toxic They're non-toxic, yeah.
[00:04:00]  I don't know about that.
[00:04:00]  But they've kind of lost their luster.
[00:04:02]  This is five alarm-smelling salts.
[00:04:04]  Unleash explosive energy, instant effects, get focused.
[00:04:08]  What does it do?
[00:04:08]  Does it wakes you up a little bit?
[00:04:10]  You take them for working out?
[00:04:11]  I don't, but before you're going to do like your maximum attempt, like your squat, you sniff that and it gets you fucking in rate, you know, berserker mode.
[00:04:20]  But yeah, I put these in a drawer like a month ago and forgot about them until this morning.
[00:04:24]  Like spikes your adrenaline.
[00:04:25]  Yeah, it makes you feel like you should try it.
[00:04:28]  Okay, I'll try it.
[00:04:28]  Just not like, yeah.
[00:04:30]  But is it going to kill brain cells?
[00:04:32]  No.
[00:04:33]  No, it's not like poppers.
[00:04:34]  What is it, though?
[00:04:37]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:04:38]  Don't think about it.
[00:04:40]  Oh, it smells like when I used to bleach my hair.
[00:04:43]  Yeah, but they've mostly worn off.

=== Logistical Impossibility (05:57) ===

[00:04:45]  Yeah, they've lost a lot of their posts.
[00:04:46]  Yeah, it totally smells like clarol.
[00:04:48]  You should just buy a hair dye.
[00:04:50]  I'm just going to kind of keep this under my nose.
[00:04:52]  These are straight poppers.
[00:04:54]  That's too much.
[00:04:55]  Oh, it lingers.
[00:04:56]  Do you have to let it linger?
[00:04:59]  Anyways, when did we go?
[00:05:01]  We went on Sunday.
[00:05:06]  October 27th.
[00:05:08]  At Madison Square Gardens.
[00:05:10]  So this, yeah, let's back up.
[00:05:13]  Well, we don't need to back up, actually, because we're going to start right there.
[00:05:18]  I tried to get there early, but I was like thrown off my schedule by the fascists at New Jersey Transit.
[00:05:30]  Oh, no, Liz.
[00:05:31]  We, we, no, no, don't say anything bad about a train ever.
[00:05:34]  Don't say anything.
[00:05:35]  Don't say about a train.
[00:05:36]  You can't say anything bad about a train.
[00:05:38]  It means, oh, you're just such a like car chud.
[00:05:42]  You must love your cars and your stupid highways.
[00:05:44]  Don't you know anything about the development of America?
[00:05:46]  Do you know anything about the train of the highways?
[00:05:50]  The fucking New Jersey Transit made me so fucking late, and so I was separated.
[00:05:55]  Wow, just like they did after some other people got off of trains all those many years ago.
[00:06:00]  Yes, from you, Brace, and we had to wait in line separately, which I really didn't like.
[00:06:03]  I got there at 10.30 in the morning, and I was worried that we would not be able to get in.
[00:06:10]  I think that the group behind me did not get in.
[00:06:12]  I think I was in the line tranche of people.
[00:06:16]  The line was crazy big.
[00:06:20]  Do not believe the Libtards that were like, no one's going to go.
[00:06:23]  It's small.
[00:06:24]  Is he even going to sell it out?
[00:06:25]  Is it even, not that you sell out?
[00:06:27]  I mean, it was free, people, but like, oh, is anyone going to show?
[00:06:32]  There were so many fucking people.
[00:06:34]  There were so many fucking people there that when we left, spoiler, we left before Trump finished, because it had been a long fucking day.
[00:06:43]  There were hundreds, if not thousands of people in the street outside of Madison Square Garden watching it on a screen.
[00:06:53]  And they had been standing there for like eight hours.
[00:06:56]  I saw when I was going into the building, I looked and like a few blocks away, there was a line going down.
[00:07:00]  I mean, the Trump campaign, I think, well, inside people were saying that there was 200,000 people in Toto lined up.
[00:07:07]  No way.
[00:07:08]  And then they kind of walked it back to 70,000 probably all told that showed up.
[00:07:12]  I would be inclined to agree with like 50K or something.
[00:07:16]  I would say 50, so I don't know.
[00:07:18]  Well, they fit 20 in there and there was at least, there was a way.
[00:07:23]  I mean, by the time he left, obviously that was like so many hours later.
[00:07:27]  But it was when I was going in and I was like, I got there at 10.30 in the morning and I was like, we did not get that good of seats.
[00:07:34]  Yeah.
[00:07:35]  Like, and they were all right.
[00:07:36]  But like, it was.
[00:07:37]  Not a bad seat in that house.
[00:07:38]  Yeah, no, really.
[00:07:39]  It really isn't.
[00:07:41]  I want to talk about the experience of staying in line for a little bit.
[00:07:44]  Yeah.
[00:07:47]  Every single person I talk to, and I don't mean this in an insulting way.
[00:07:52]  I really, I have to remember, this podcast is about love.
[00:07:55]  And I personally, it's all love.
[00:08:00]  It's just, it's all love.
[00:08:02]  These are some of the stumbest fucking people I've ever talked to in my life.
[00:08:05]  There's no way to, there's no, there's no mincing words here.
[00:08:09]  Behind me was a drunk in a fucking OVO hoodie, wearing fucking chef pants and two different shoes.
[00:08:19]  Yeah.
[00:08:19]  And he's like, he's wasted, drinking from a, like a, a sprite bottle, which I don't know if it had sprite in it, but it's some kind of clear liquid in it.
[00:08:28]  Having the time of his life.
[00:08:30]  We're next to a couple, an interracial couple who, boy, kept talking about it.
[00:08:35]  I'm like, I get it.
[00:08:36]  I see you guys.
[00:08:37]  And then in front of me was like these like, you know how sometimes MAGA people, I fucking hate bikers.
[00:08:43]  I'm sorry.
[00:08:44]  I know this podcast is allied with a few bikers.
[00:08:47]  You guys are fine.
[00:08:48]  The rest of you, shut the fuck up.
[00:08:51]  Motorcycle bikers?
[00:08:52]  Motorcycle bikers.
[00:08:53]  Yeah, I agree.
[00:08:54]  I don't like bikers.
[00:08:55]  Bikers are fucking annoying.
[00:08:57]  Bikers are what, like, fucking pieces of shit, fucking stupid ass, 60-year-old, long white-hair, pot-belly motherfuckers are like, it's what they wear to dress tough.
[00:09:06]  It's like, it's like a guy putting on like a suit of armor or something.
[00:09:09]  Oh, look at me, my little biker thing.
[00:09:11]  Okay.
[00:09:12]  You're costume.
[00:09:13]  V-vroom, vroom, vroom, vroom, vroom.
[00:09:16]  Okay, yeah.
[00:09:16]  Well, you are still penetrated if I shoot you with a gun, which I would never do.
[00:09:20]  It's all love.
[00:09:21]  This guy was like pissed.
[00:09:23]  If anybody tried to get, this line is not a line.
[00:09:26]  This line is just going down 33rd Street.
[00:09:27]  It's not a line.
[00:09:28]  It's a mass of people taking over the entire street.
[00:09:30]  It's not a line.
[00:09:31]  It's not a line.
[00:09:31]  Because we're just corralled in a pen.
[00:09:33]  Not that.
[00:09:34]  Trying to get into pens.
[00:09:35]  Not that a lot of these people didn't cut whatever that was.
[00:09:39]  But there wasn't a ton of cutting.
[00:09:40]  By the way, you wanted me to cut.
[00:09:43]  I didn't want you to cut.
[00:09:44]  I wanted you to come over to me.
[00:09:45]  You wanted me to, you're like, just push forward.
[00:09:47]  I'm like, that's, I mean, that would be cutting.
[00:09:49]  It wouldn't be cutting.
[00:09:50]  It would be pushing forward.
[00:09:51]  You'd be pushing forward.
[00:09:51]  Well, I couldn't because we were separated by the.
[00:09:54]  But there were people doing that.
[00:09:55]  I mean, by the time that it was an impossibility.
[00:09:58]  I understand.
[00:09:58]  It was a logistical impossibility.
[00:09:59]  But there were some people who were like, my friend's up there in line and I saw this happen and who were like, oh, I'm meeting my husband up there.
[00:10:07]  This guy was like, if you tried to pass him, he was like, biker's creed.
[00:10:11]  Like, nobody get past me.
[00:10:12]  And I had to be like, dude, just this lady's finding her husband.
[00:10:15]  He's right there.
[00:10:16]  Stop being annoying.
[00:10:17]  Kill.
[00:10:19]  Don't fuck you, dude.
[00:10:21]  You were also very hungry at this point.
[00:10:22]  I was so hungry.
[00:10:24]  I was so hungry.
[00:10:26]  And I guess got hungrier.
[00:10:28]  We're in line for what, four hours?
[00:10:30]  I didn't get in until, so I got there at 11.30.
[00:10:33]  Thank you, NJ Transit.
[00:10:34]  And I didn't get in until 2.30.
[00:10:36]  Best time to go to the dentist.
[00:10:38]  And it was very frustrating.

=== Crowds of Comfortably Uncomfortable (07:41) ===

[00:10:42]  I was near a bunch of Kennedy supporters or surrounded by Kennedy supporters and Zionists.
[00:10:49]  A lot of Zionists.
[00:10:50]  A lot of crossover there.
[00:10:51]  I'm not going to, I don't need to talk about that right now.
[00:10:55]  Well, maybe put that one aside for a bit.
[00:10:58]  But the Kennedy people were interesting.
[00:11:00]  I peered over a lady's shoulder, not on purpose, but she was of an age where, you know, people start to make their iChat type like crazy big.
[00:11:11]  I always look at everybody's phones whenever we're at these things.
[00:11:13]  And I've yet to see a person with normal size.
[00:11:16]  It's so big.
[00:11:16]  And I don't even know how you do that.
[00:11:18]  Yeah.
[00:11:19]  But you can do that.
[00:11:20]  And it was so big.
[00:11:21]  And so I could see everything she was writing.
[00:11:22]  And she was like, it literally, I mean, I hope I'm not betraying any confidence to this woman that I don't know and didn't even speak to.
[00:11:28]  But she said to her friend, like, I'm uncomfortable around the Trump people.
[00:11:34]  Or no, I'm at an align for a Trump rally and I'm uncomfortable, but I'm leaning into the uncomfortable.
[00:11:40]  I'm trying to get comfortable with the uncomfortable.
[00:11:43]  That's what she said.
[00:11:44]  And she was there for Kennedy and she kept talking about seeing Bobby.
[00:11:48]  She called him Bobby.
[00:11:50]  Dude, so many fucking people spoke.
[00:11:52]  Kind of.
[00:11:53]  Um, and by kind of, I mean, it was so many people, but I'm not sure the speaking is what you would call what they did.
[00:11:59]  Yes, yeah.
[00:12:00]  Um, but you know, whatever.
[00:12:03]  By the time I'm getting like pushed up towards the door, like it's getting, people are getting a little manic and a little frothy.
[00:12:13]  And it was, I've got a lot of experience in crowds from going to punk shows from a young age.
[00:12:19]  I know how to elbow my way through.
[00:12:21]  I'm always zigzagging through crowds.
[00:12:23]  You see me, you know how I walk through crowds.
[00:12:25]  I'm like a psycho.
[00:12:26]  I go super fast.
[00:12:27]  I'm like snaking through.
[00:12:28]  Yeah, me too.
[00:12:29]  I always go, excuse me.
[00:12:30]  I don't even do that.
[00:12:31]  I'm just like, whoo, whoo, whoo.
[00:12:33]  I'm like a psycho.
[00:12:34]  I'm so good at this.
[00:12:35]  And people were fucking pushing into my lower back so hard that I was afraid I was going to trip.
[00:12:40]  And there's all these like metal, like big metal bare, like crowd barriers in front of Madison Square Garden, like in front of the entrance that people are running into.
[00:12:49]  And then there is fucking trash that you have not seen everywhere.
[00:12:54]  Everywhere.
[00:12:54]  The amount of trash from people who set up shop at like, I don't know, what, two o'clock, one o'clock in the morning that they left.
[00:13:02]  They literally left all trace.
[00:13:04]  They left all trace was left.
[00:13:06]  And I'm talking all of the chairs they used, all of the garbage that they, like all of their empty chip bags, all of their empty like 7-Eleven cups, all of their empty, like, or not even empty, they left duffel bags, they left sleeping bags, they like literally everything because they could not bring it into Madison Square Garden.
[00:13:22]  They left, and people are tripping over trash.
[00:13:26]  There is like smeared slurpee on the sidewalk that like old women are tripping on.
[00:13:32]  Like I was thinking, I'm like, oh my God, someone is going to get so fucking hurt here.
[00:13:37]  And there's these metal barriers like cramming everyone into a kind of like, you know, area into a line.
[00:13:46]  It was so, I'm not to be like, it's so unsafe, but I was like, whoa, what's going on?
[00:13:51]  And everyone was like so psycho about getting in.
[00:13:54]  We got to get in.
[00:13:55]  We got to get in.
[00:13:55]  We got to get in that, I mean, I was getting nervous.
[00:13:58]  I wasn't going to get in.
[00:14:00]  So talking to people in line around me, not a single person said one normal thing to me the entire time.
[00:14:06]  The drunk fucking guy was just like, he was just like, I love Trump.
[00:14:10]  He's a narcissist, but he's our narcissist.
[00:14:12]  Just shit.
[00:14:13]  It seems like he was just like repeating stuff that he'd heard like Rogan or something say.
[00:14:16]  The couple near me, I mentioned they were interracial because they kept sort of like alluding to it.
[00:14:23]  Like, isn't that crazy?
[00:14:24]  We're Trump supporters.
[00:14:26]  And they had been pro, like they like, they were like, yeah, like we were Democrats.
[00:14:31]  We marched for BLM.
[00:14:32]  And then in 2020, my husband started listening to conservative radio and we both started watching Alex Jones all the time.
[00:14:41]  And now we're at a Trump rally.
[00:14:42]  And I was like, that's so interesting.
[00:14:45]  There was all these, like everyone told me, every time I talked to somebody, I spent hours in that line.
[00:14:50]  I was in there for four hours.
[00:14:51]  I talked to everybody.
[00:14:53]  Every single time I talked to somebody, they just said something.
[00:14:55]  I was like, I was like, oh, you're like, you're like fucking, you're like a fucking idiot.
[00:14:59]  Like, you're just telling me, like, I don't know.
[00:15:01]  Like, it was, I'm like very, I don't care.
[00:15:04]  People believe all sorts of things.
[00:15:05]  I was just like, but people were telling me the craziest fucking shit.
[00:15:09]  I was telling you guys this earlier, but this like 50-year-old Indian dude behind me points up to like the sniper, the police sniper on the, on the building is like, yeah, that's just for show.
[00:15:18]  Like, when they shot Thomas Crooks, like, they shot him in the mouth and then burned his body so he couldn't be identified as like a Democrat.
[00:15:25]  And I'm like, what?
[00:15:27]  And I was like, I realized you weren't.
[00:15:28]  How did that happen?
[00:15:29]  I mean, he was probably cremated, you know?
[00:15:32]  Right, but that's very different than they burned the body.
[00:15:34]  Well, technically, correct.
[00:15:37]  That's not what is meant.
[00:15:38]  How would that prevent them from knowing he was a Democrat?
[00:15:42]  I mean, the implication.
[00:15:44]  I know, the teeth.
[00:15:45]  It's like they had to do dental imprints or whatever.
[00:15:48]  I don't know.
[00:15:49]  But this is what I'm saying.
[00:15:49]  It was like, everyone told me something stupid because I was just like, so what do you mean?
[00:15:54]  I was like, so what?
[00:15:55]  I just like, say what you mean.
[00:15:57]  Like, okay, they shove her in the mouth and shit.
[00:15:59]  Nobody says what they mean.
[00:16:01]  They just insinuate and they go, huh?
[00:16:03]  That's what I'm saying.
[00:16:04]  Everyone said this fucking dumbest shit.
[00:16:05]  She's a nudicer.
[00:16:06]  Everyone.
[00:16:07]  They're all nudices.
[00:16:08]  Oh, did you notice this?
[00:16:09]  Okay, well, then tell me in your own words or fuck it.
[00:16:12]  Use anybody else's words.
[00:16:13]  Tell me what your conclusion is then.
[00:16:17]  You can't.
[00:16:17]  You can't.
[00:16:18]  It was because it was.
[00:16:19]  All insinuations and nods and winks.
[00:16:23]  God damn.
[00:16:24]  And this one fucking guy in a combo America Israel hat, which of which I saw many.
[00:16:30]  Oh my God, so many.
[00:16:32]  So many.
[00:16:32]  And in Yarmulka form.
[00:16:34]  Oh, yeah.
[00:16:34]  I didn't.
[00:16:35]  Yeah.
[00:16:35]  I saw a lot of those.
[00:16:36]  This guy was like, he was like a finance Zen guy, but a little older and a little more slebby.
[00:16:41]  And he was telling me he's like, oh, he was like giving this like, he's talking to everybody kind of in line with us.
[00:16:46]  He's like, yeah, like the cops, like, they don't fucking arrest.
[00:16:49]  Like, his implications that cops like don't arrest black people.
[00:16:52]  They only go after law-abiding citizens like him who ran a red light on a city bike and got pulled over, but they don't actually pull over any real criminals.
[00:17:00]  And then even, I will say another guy in line, so somebody did say something that was normal, was like, well, you, didn't you commit a crime there?
[00:17:07]  And he was like, yeah, but they profiled me because I'm Jewish.
[00:17:11]  And this is a common thing with a lot of people I've seen.
[00:17:14]  Wait, so is racial profiling good or bad?
[00:17:17]  I'm just going to be honest with a lot of you guys.
[00:17:19]  A lot of you fucking, a lot of you fucking Jewish people need to understand this.
[00:17:23]  Sometimes if you're not wearing a yarmulke or something or you got the fucking pays, like it's, it's, if you're not wearing the vestments or the things, we can't tell, no one can tell you're Jewish.
[00:17:34]  Like, no one can tell you.
[00:17:35]  A cop cannot tell you're fucking Jewish.
[00:17:38]  No, he's not a fucking fucking city.
[00:17:39]  We've already been over there.
[00:17:40]  You just are a guy with black hair and a double chin.
[00:17:43]  I don't know what to tell you.
[00:17:44]  There's a lot of those kind of guys in fucking New York City.
[00:17:46]  Those kind of guys.
[00:17:48]  And I was just like, you think you're being racially profiled on your fucking city bike, but like, I've never, the most, like, I've, I mean, I don't really, I guess I don't really hang around that many like woke type of people, but I'm like, this is like, this is like something like Syrah Rao would say.
[00:18:03]  Like, I'm like, yeah.
[00:18:04]  No, it's a complete like through the looking glass mirror of that exact person.
[00:18:09]  You, like, you live in a reality that is so unlike the shared world that I live in this motherfucker that like, I don't know what to tell you.
[00:18:19]  You might as well live in fucking Minecraft, brother.
[00:18:22]  Yeah.
[00:18:22]  Anyways.

=== Wrestlemania Vibes in Philadelphia (03:42) ===

[00:18:24]  So let's talk about inside the venue because I do, we were talking about this a little bit before, but I want to repeat it for the listeners.
[00:18:32]  I was constantly comparing it to our experience in Philadelphia at Temple University, which we did an episode about when we went and saw Trump there, which was pre-assassination attempt.
[00:18:45]  Yeah, when Biden was still in the race.
[00:18:47]  Yeah.
[00:18:48]  And he, I remember because he was talking about Sleepy Joe at the rally.
[00:18:51]  And obviously the vibes were the like actual like vibes of the arena are very different.
[00:18:58]  Temple University versus Madison Square Garden.
[00:19:02]  First of all, this thing was completely full, packed to the gills, no empty seats, 20,000 people.
[00:19:10]  Also slick as hell.
[00:19:12]  Incredible lighting, incredible advance work.
[00:19:18]  The whole thing was done up, right?
[00:19:20]  Yeah.
[00:19:20]  I mean, it was really a show.
[00:19:22]  It felt like you were at a fucking show.
[00:19:24]  Yeah, definitely.
[00:19:26]  The crowd, at least to me, in the immediate vicinity of where we were.
[00:19:31]  And like as everyone I was kind of looking at when I was walking in, and we all had wristbands.
[00:19:36]  We could not go to different floors.
[00:19:38]  We were like told we could be on, we were on the eighth floor, we were right at the top on the eighth floor.
[00:19:42]  Like we couldn't go down to the other kind of levels of the arena.
[00:19:47]  It was not the kind of like slack jawed cue droolers that we saw as charming as we found some of them to be in Philadelphia.
[00:19:56]  That was not the like main attendee, main type of attendee that I saw.
[00:20:02]  Like I, what stuck out to me was the sheer amount.
[00:20:05]  I mean, I know we're in New York City, but there was a lot of like young, mustachioed, Zin maxing NYU kids.
[00:20:14]  Yeah.
[00:20:15]  There were a lot of extremely slick looking, either trying to get an internship at or already working at Jane Street suit guys.
[00:20:24]  Yeah.
[00:20:24]  There were people like ready to march in a certain way.
[00:20:29]  I'll put it that way.
[00:20:31]  And the kind of like lib-tarted hysteria about this being fascist as hell, like it was fascist as hell.
[00:20:37]  Yeah, I would say that was definitely, that's a good description of it.
[00:20:41]  It was fucking fascist.
[00:20:43]  Like it was behind us particularly.
[00:20:45]  So it was like, we were sitting in, I've never been to Madison Square Guard.
[00:20:49]  I don't go to a lot of arenas.
[00:20:50]  We got to go see the Knicks, baby.
[00:20:51]  Who?
[00:20:54]  But there was, like, we were kind of crammed.
[00:20:58]  The seats were a little more crammed than I thought they were going to be.
[00:21:00]  Wow, they really peck in there.
[00:21:02]  Also, we were in the cheap seats.
[00:21:03]  We were in the cheap seats.
[00:21:04]  But it was like, so, so Thomas Morton came with us.
[00:21:09]  And so it was like Thomas, me, Liz, and then behind us, there was like seven or eight of these like college kids, with like zin ass college kids behind us who were like it was.
[00:21:23]  It was tough because they were fucking annoying as shit, but like they were just like really excited for everything, like let's go whatever, like that kind of like exhortations.
[00:21:33]  But I remember Vivek Ramaswani comes out and he's like saying like Lgbt, like he's like saying like oh, you could be gay, but like or whatever, not too gay.
[00:21:42]  I don't know really what he was saying.
[00:21:43]  I I was toning out, but he was like saying something like positive about, about the Lgbts, or probably not the t's, probably the Lgbs uh, and they were like fuck, that that's fucking degenerate.
[00:21:55]  Like like it was like group chat life guys who were like doing their group chat in real life yeah, and which is really similar to the language that was coming out of all the speakers yeah, and we'll talk about that.

=== Breaking Taboos in Wrestling and Politics (03:24) ===

[00:22:06]  There was also I mean, we can go through some of the people that spoke, but the the amount of the like Wrestlemania vibes.
[00:22:17]  Yeah, I know we're at Madison Square.
[00:22:19]  You know Hulk Hogan came out.
[00:22:21]  You know that.
[00:22:22]  You know Trump is Lynda Mcmahon is like co-chair of Trump's transition team.
[00:22:27]  Yeah, you know, like Trump himself is a big Wrestlemania guy.
[00:22:31]  Like there's so much that's been written about that as a kind of I don't know a way to understand or view a lot of the theatrics of the campaign, but it was on like full display during this whole like pageant.
[00:22:46]  It felt like being at one of those kind of like Wrestlemania events which, like I was thinking about this.
[00:22:52]  I feel like when we had our episode about Vince with Brian, either you or he said this, where I was like I don't understand wrestling and it was like either you or him said that it's like soap opera for men and I was thinking about that and I was like, oh yeah, like it's really like opera, though like because it kind of like leans on these, like really ancient sort of these kind of like, or you know,
[00:23:19]  orchestral or ancient kind of ideas of like triumph and masculinity and you know humiliation and and like valiant, kind of like heroics or you know what have you and um, It also like really, the thing about wrestling is like really leans into breaking rules and that being kind of built into the performance of it.
[00:23:44]  And some of that being like the rules of the like, you know, people call it a sport or whatever, like the actual like rules of the game.
[00:23:50]  But really, it's like the narrative rules or the rules of the characters or the rules of like who's bad, who's good, or who's the audience, who's the performer, like all those things.
[00:23:59]  And all of that was like showcased at this rally and obviously like throughout Trump's entire political career.
[00:24:08]  But I feel like something about the breaking, breaking the rules as part of the like success and performance and what people love about wrestling is so much of what also fuels like Trump's Trump's campaign.
[00:24:24]  Yeah.
[00:24:24]  And I'll say like this is kind of what I was going with when I was talking about the people in line that I was talking to.
[00:24:30]  And I've just noticed, I mean, I've talked to a billion MAGA people over the years, but like I've noticed like the one thing is, you know, with like the intimations and like the sort of innuendo and like the like hint hint of like dipping a toe in like the transgression, that to me is like very, it's very similar because like, first of all, it's all done in a uniform way.
[00:24:50]  They all believe the same fucking crazy bullshit.
[00:24:52]  Like they all have the same like four conspiracy theories or the same whatever.
[00:24:56]  But like there's this certain like very, it's like almost like a juvenile glee in breaking taboos, but not like fully, but like kind of breaking the taboos.
[00:25:06]  And like obviously that's a lot of the appeal of Trump, right?
[00:25:08]  Like he is, you know, is so, that's people like him.
[00:25:12]  He's like, so he's not a politician.
[00:25:14]  Like he says what's on his mind.
[00:25:15]  Like, you know, he's just, he's honest and he's real.
[00:25:18]  And he's willing to like break the taboos and, you know, and actually and speak.
[00:25:22]  And there's like a, it does, it reads is very valiant, right?
[00:25:27]  Because like, you know, he is doing, this is something that like basically no politicians do.

=== Breaking Taboos Humorously (07:46) ===

[00:25:31]  Right.
[00:25:32]  I mean, Tucker like said that too, basically in his speech, he was like, there's a moment where he's like, oh, isn't it so exciting now?
[00:25:40]  I mean, and Tucker was also like hysterical.
[00:25:43]  I don't know if you got it.
[00:25:43]  It was like a crazy performance.
[00:25:45]  I don't mean to say I don't mean anything by this, but like for a guy whose like whole thing is like masculine, it's interesting because his energy really reads, and I sound like such a fucking woo-woo saying this, his energy reads to me very similar to Kamala's.
[00:26:01]  Like the like hysterical laughing, the register.
[00:26:04]  Yeah, the register's pretty high up there.
[00:26:07]  Register, let's, it's, it was a female register.
[00:26:09]  Let's just be honest.
[00:26:10]  He talked, he's talking in that, in that, in his speech, he was like, isn't it like so liberating?
[00:26:15]  I think that was even the word he, I don't know.
[00:26:18]  It was like, it's so liberating to finally be able to say what we think and we don't have to pretend anymore.
[00:26:22]  And we can just say what everybody knows to be true.
[00:26:26]  Yeah.
[00:26:27]  And we can just say, I mean, which is just, there's a lot to unpack there.
[00:26:42]  Well, let's start with some of the speakers.
[00:26:44]  So we had first and very famously and possibly the most impactful speaker of the night was a comedian named Tony Hinchcliffe.
[00:26:54]  I had never heard of him.
[00:26:55]  I walked in when he was on there and I was like, Brace, who the fuck is this?
[00:26:58]  Tony Hinchcliffe.
[00:26:59]  Who is this guy?
[00:27:00]  He is the host of Kill Tony.
[00:27:02]  And he is like, so you know about like the Austin comedy thing?
[00:27:07]  Not really, but vaguely because I have some friends who are friends with some people.
[00:27:14]  So Liz is talking about this.
[00:27:17]  Liz hangs out with Liz writes for Shane Gillis's Netflix show as a side gig.
[00:27:22]  So the Austin, once like Rogan moved there, kind of became, because, you know, Rogan's like a big stand-up guy, even though I think he's probably one of the worst stand-up comedians.
[00:27:31]  No, that's not true.
[00:27:32]  Most stand-up comedians are the worst stand-up comedian you've ever seen.
[00:27:35]  Yeah, we got stand-up comedy is really.
[00:27:37]  I don't know if it's going to make it past this election.
[00:27:39]  It needs to be called.
[00:27:41]  I'm just saying, like, when I, when the Belden regime comes, like, that is a, that's one of the many lists that my security services will draw and one of the many cultural institutions that we will immediately shut down with violent force.
[00:27:53]  Regardless, Tony Hinchcliffe is one of these guys that kind of moved to Texas sort of trailing Rogan.
[00:28:00]  He might have been there around the same time.
[00:28:02]  I think he might have been an early adopter, but to Austin and has like, hey, this thing called Kill Tony, which I haven't really seen that.
[00:28:09]  I know, I've seen it before, but it's like they do like this big live show where they have like people essentially come up and do like open mics and they do comedy and he roasts them.
[00:28:18]  So he's like a roast comic.
[00:28:20]  The thing is, like the kind of famous thing about him is that he himself is a bad stand-up comedian.
[00:28:26]  Like he's like an insult comic, but like he can insult somebody.
[00:28:30]  If somebody comes up and does a bad stand-up set, he can insult them.
[00:28:33]  Or like they're standing there, they look weird, he can insult them.
[00:28:36]  But like his actual stand-up comedy is really poorly received, even by people who like are generally fans of like this kind of bad Austin brand of stand-up comedy.
[00:28:47]  People don't like him.
[00:28:48]  There's a, the only journalist in America I like is a guy named Red Bar, and he does a really good.
[00:28:53]  That's a crazy name.
[00:28:54]  Well, it's a great show.
[00:28:55]  But he does a, it's the only, it's the only show I watch as of two weeks ago.
[00:29:01]  But he is a great dissection of how bad this guy's fucking comedy is.
[00:29:06]  It's fucking bad.
[00:29:08]  And I know in my soul, I know that this was dumbass fucking fucking Donald Trump Jr. piece of shit fucking loser son.
[00:29:19]  Elon.
[00:29:19]  I'm sorry.
[00:29:20]  Eric is way better.
[00:29:22]  Eric is a real, if we're talking about the blonde one, right?
[00:29:25]  That's the blonde one who came up with la.
[00:29:28]  Oh, yeah.
[00:29:28]  Eric is also a moron, but like Trump, Donald Trump Jr.'s fucking goofy fucking face.
[00:29:35]  He is, he is.
[00:29:36]  He's the Bitcoin guy.
[00:29:37]  He's the one behind all the Bitcoin stuff.
[00:29:39]  He is just like the, every like lame ass thing that you could be into is he's into it.
[00:29:45]  He sucks.
[00:29:46]  If that was my son, I would, I would not, I would get one of those Democrat style afterbirth abortions.
[00:29:52]  He is not, not good.
[00:29:55]  I know that he was like, we got to get fucking Hinchcliffe died.
[00:29:57]  He's really fucking funny.
[00:30:00]  Hinchcliffe came out and he's talking about, he gives this like sub-rickles routine of like, you know, there's a trash island.
[00:30:08]  I think everyone saw the clip, but maybe we can play it.
[00:30:10]  A lot going on.
[00:30:11]  Like, I don't know if you guys know this, but there's literally a floating island of garbage in the middle of the ocean right now.
[00:30:17]  Yeah.
[00:30:18]  I think it's called Puerto Rico.
[00:30:21]  Okay.
[00:30:22]  All right.
[00:30:23]  Okay.
[00:30:24]  And then he points to a guy in the audience.
[00:30:26]  He's like, he's got a lampshade.
[00:30:28]  I don't know what he's talking about.
[00:30:29]  We can't see the guy.
[00:30:30]  Yeah.
[00:30:31]  And he's like pointing to a guy.
[00:30:32]  He's like, you know, there's a black guy.
[00:30:34]  Like, maybe we'll, well, I just hang out with a black guy the other night.
[00:30:37]  We carved watermelons together.
[00:30:39]  And then he says something about Israel-Palestine where it's like, they should do rock, paper, scissors.
[00:30:43]  The Palestinians, you know, they'll pick rocks.
[00:30:45]  And the Jews are all about that paper.
[00:30:48]  And he did.
[00:30:49]  He held the uh for paper and it was just his stuff.
[00:30:52]  It was and then the crowd was not feeling it.
[00:30:56]  And it was crazy because I was like, nobody here is happy about this.
[00:30:59]  But I was like, I was confused as to how they let this guy on.
[00:31:03]  What's not getting a lot of play is also he made a joke where he's like, I think Travis Kelsey is going to be our next OJ Simpson.
[00:31:11]  Do you remember that?
[00:31:12]  Oh, yeah, he did.
[00:31:13]  Which I don't know.
[00:31:14]  Is he saying that he thinks Travis Kelsey is going to like beat the shit out of Taylor Swift?
[00:31:19]  Well, kill Taylor Swift?
[00:31:22]  Well, yeah, but also OJ before he killed Taylor.
[00:31:24]  He'd be also a beater.
[00:31:25]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:31:26]  Or maybe he's thinking that someone else will kill Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey will get the blame.
[00:31:30]  Yeah.
[00:31:31]  And then it'll be a national, nationally like televised whites to rally around.
[00:31:36]  I don't understand what he was trying to say, but people were like, what?
[00:31:39]  Like it was like the hush of the crowd going, oh.
[00:31:42]  The lady in front of me was just googling Tony Hinchcliffe.
[00:31:45]  I took a photo of it.
[00:31:47]  She was like, people were not with that big type on the phone.
[00:31:51]  I got to say, Hinchcliffe in that audience with those.
[00:31:55]  How can your jokes be too racist for a Trump rally?
[00:31:58]  People were like, no, like, I don't really.
[00:32:00]  That's crazy.
[00:32:01]  It was like people, there was no, even like the young Nazis behind us were like not laughing.
[00:32:07]  Also, this goes to prove your rule, which is if you're funny, you can.
[00:32:10]  You can say anything.
[00:32:11]  You can say anything.
[00:32:12]  Anything.
[00:32:12]  But this guy could.
[00:32:13]  And then the thing that made me be like, this guy is the hack of hacks.
[00:32:17]  This actually galled me.
[00:32:20]  He was like, Hillary Clinton, one of 500 mentions of Hillary Clinton in the night, the first of like 500.
[00:32:26]  He's like, Hillary Clinton said this is a Nazi rally, but I see.
[00:32:29]  And then he's like, I don't know what he says, but he's like, says something to the opposite effect.
[00:32:34]  And then he's like, I do not see any Nazis here.
[00:32:39]  And I'm like, dude, you did a Nazi part.
[00:32:41]  Like, you are a fucking, that's a hack.
[00:32:45]  Like, I don't know what to say.
[00:32:46]  Like, that's, that's, that's crazy.
[00:32:47]  I've seen a lot of bullshit in my life, but that was like that.
[00:32:50]  But this is what I'm saying, where it's like, all of these people live in such a fucking bubble, which we're going to talk about that bubble, but they live in such a fucking bubble that they think that like they're like, ah, isn't this so, I'm being so faced in my chat.
[00:33:04]  I'm telling all these crazy jobs.
[00:33:05]  I'm saying all this insane shit.
[00:33:07]  I'm saying all of these things that people really think secretly, but are too afraid to say because of like the woke mind virus taking over everyone's brain.
[00:33:15]  And then he fucking says it out loud and everyone's like, dude, what?

=== Vance's Nazi Part (02:46) ===

[00:33:17]  Yeah.
[00:33:18]  Like it's literally, it's like the cat lady thing or whatever from Vance, which I will say, by the way, because we're not, I don't think we're going to talk about Vance, but no charisma.
[00:33:27]  No, which is weird because I watched his video.
[00:33:29]  I watched his video.
[00:33:31]  Well, it was a video.
[00:33:32]  I watched his interview with Theo Vaughn.
[00:33:33]  Yeah.
[00:33:34]  And I was like, he actually did pretty good in that interview.
[00:33:35]  No, and I think he's going to go on Rogan.
[00:33:37]  And I'm sure it'll be like probably a little damage control too.
[00:33:40]  But he does like a pretty decent interview.
[00:33:42]  Like he comes across as pretty human.
[00:33:44]  And he was so good in the debate.
[00:33:45]  Yes.
[00:33:46]  And I think Vance's big thing is like, he's just like, it's hard to take him seriously.
[00:33:51]  And I think that like he does kind of pretty good in like, he's a little stiff.
[00:33:56]  And when he tries to be really serious, he doesn't do that good of a job.
[00:34:01]  And like when he loosens up a little bit, he's a lot better.
[00:34:04]  But in the debate environment, he's good because that's like his thing.
[00:34:09]  Sorry, but I just wanted to throw that out there.
[00:34:11]  We saw, I will say, I spied from my little perch the two white bobs of the couple's goals I have ever seen, Callista and Newt sitting in front row the entire time, did not get up to use the bathroom at all because I see that swan's neck from a mile away.
[00:34:28]  And we were literally a mile away.
[00:34:30]  Definitely wearing diapers, the both of them.
[00:34:32]  But they were out there.
[00:34:33]  They didn't move.
[00:34:34]  They did not.
[00:34:34]  That's what I'm saying.
[00:34:35]  They did not move.
[00:34:35]  And you know, a man and a woman of that age, who knows what it is, but of that age, which is considerably advanced, people like to have to pee all the time.
[00:34:44]  Also, they were, I mean, they were front row, no one next to them, just sitting there since I walked in.
[00:34:51]  Yeah.
[00:34:51]  From 2.30 until, you know, 7.45 or whatever when we left.
[00:34:55]  I saw him finger her.
[00:34:57]  Okay.
[00:34:57]  But, but no, they like, they were just sitting.
[00:35:03]  They were there just clapping for like the most useless people that the Trump campaign kept parading out.
[00:35:09]  And there just kept being more and more and more people to the point that like when they were introducing, it was getting, Trump was supposed to go on at five.
[00:35:19]  That's what it said.
[00:35:19]  It said five o'clock in the evening.
[00:35:21]  At 4.30, I was like, fuck it.
[00:35:23]  I can't do it anymore.
[00:35:24]  I got to go eat.
[00:35:24]  I'm getting a hot dog.
[00:35:25]  I'm going to lose my mind.
[00:35:27]  Because I ate a bunch prior, trying to thinking that I could make it without eating crap.
[00:35:34]  But I was like, I need to go eat something.
[00:35:35]  I go out there and at the concession stands, the ladies are like, I'm sorry, we're not, they told us to close it because Trump is going to be speaking in half an hour and they want the whole thing full so that we're not serving any food.
[00:35:46]  And I was like, oh shit, okay.
[00:35:48]  Well, at least he's going to be on in half an hour.
[00:35:50]  No, when did he fucking go on?
[00:35:52]  Eight o'clock.
[00:35:52]  No.
[00:35:53]  He went on at, because we saw some of him and we left early.
[00:35:56]  7:30.
[00:35:57]  He went on at like 7 o'clock.
[00:36:00]  No, I'm going to say it was 7.
[00:36:01]  It was 7.
[00:36:01]  No, it wasn't because we left at like 7:30.

=== Cantor's Bitcoin Wing (15:13) ===

[00:36:03]  Oh, you're right.
[00:36:04]  It was at 7.
[00:36:05]  It was at 7.
[00:36:06]  He went on at 7.
[00:36:07]  And so I did not get to eat anything.
[00:36:08]  Narry a hot dog, just water.
[00:36:11]  And which I was, by the way, carrying in a giant difficulty.
[00:36:17]  So they kept bringing people out.
[00:36:19]  Obviously, we were there.
[00:36:20]  We really wanted to see Elon.
[00:36:23]  And we will talk about him.
[00:36:24]  But they kept bringing people out.
[00:36:25]  And like us in the cheap seats, all of the crowd behind us would be like, they'd announce some like fucking asshole that nobody cares about or has heard of.
[00:36:34]  And they'd be like, boo!
[00:36:36]  No.
[00:36:37]  They announced Dr. Phil, and there was an audible groan.
[00:36:42]  Yes, but then people really warmed to him.
[00:36:45]  I don't know what the fuck he was talking about.
[00:36:47]  He spoke for a very long time.
[00:36:49]  Dr. Phil is legit somebody who should be in prison.
[00:36:52]  He's a bad.
[00:36:53]  No, he's like a really bad guy.
[00:36:55]  Yeah.
[00:36:55]  They brought out Ruda Giuliani, who I will say, as somebody with, you know, a little bit of sober time here, seemed not drunk.
[00:37:03]  Yeah.
[00:37:04]  But I did see, I think, I took a picture of this as well.
[00:37:08]  He had a very young male handler with him.
[00:37:11]  They sat down behind Callista and Newt, who, by the way, watching them watch Tony Hinchcliffe was the delight of my life.
[00:37:18]  Sat down behind them, and the young male handler had his arm around Rudy in a way that I thought was very interesting.
[00:37:25]  Yeah.
[00:37:27]  Rudy spoke.
[00:37:28]  Who cares?
[00:37:30]  No one gave a fuck about that.
[00:37:31]  No.
[00:37:32]  He did say he sounded like Richie Torres at parts, though, because he's like, the Palestinians, they teach him to kill at two years old.
[00:37:39]  And you see this a lot from these kinds of people.
[00:37:41]  The implication with that is, obviously, so it's okay to kill them.
[00:37:46]  It's okay to kill them.
[00:37:48]  It's okay to kill the two-year-old.
[00:37:49]  Because of madrasas.
[00:37:50]  Because of the majority, because they're in these damn madrasas.
[00:37:53]  A two-year-old is not taught.
[00:37:56]  Anyways.
[00:37:56]  They have universal madrasa over there.
[00:37:59]  Universal public madrasas over there.
[00:38:01]  The UNRWA staff is teaching them when Sinoir was on, is teaching them how to fucking kill at two years old.
[00:38:07]  And so we should kill these two-year-olds because that's actually good for otherwise they'll kill us.
[00:38:12]  The two-year-olds will kill us.
[00:38:13]  It's sounding precisely like Richie Torres.
[00:38:15]  Murder by baby.
[00:38:16]  Hulk Hogan, I thought, was an interesting person to come out.
[00:38:20]  Yeah.
[00:38:23]  He looks very old.
[00:38:25]  He did this.
[00:38:26]  He did the hunt.
[00:38:27]  He did.
[00:38:28]  I'm going to show it to you guys.
[00:38:31]  I'm going to describe it.
[00:38:32]  Oh, so it's kind of like the old man walk with no walker.
[00:38:35]  You know, where you're hunched over and there's no walker, but it looks like there should be one.
[00:38:39]  Yes.
[00:38:39]  Yeah.
[00:38:40]  Like he had the hunchback.
[00:38:42]  And his arms, he was very tan, but it had the old man kind of flabbiness, even with his still maintained muscle.
[00:38:48]  But also pretty skinny, too.
[00:38:50]  Well, because of, yeah, because he's elder.
[00:38:53]  Yeah.
[00:38:53]  But I was, you know, I was watching it and I realized, I was like, you know, JD aside, this is actually a very prominent member of the teal network that's out here.
[00:39:03]  And then I got to thinking, I was thinking about it last night.
[00:39:07]  So, okay, people know that like Teal basically bankrolled Hogan's lawsuit that took down Gawker because Gawker had outed Peter Thial as being gay in 2007.
[00:39:19]  Yeah.
[00:39:19]  Peter Thiel hated Gawker.
[00:39:21]  He called them the Manhattan-based terrorist organization, which I think is really funny.
[00:39:26]  And at some point, Hulk Hogan's marriage is falling apart, and his friend, the shock jock Bubba the Love Sponge, lets Hulk Hogan have sex with his wife while Bubba is in his office.
[00:39:39]  Which, none of my business.
[00:39:41]  I'm sorry, but we're going to have to play a little bit of audio, not from the sex part, not from the sex part, but from afterwards, some famous bits of audio here.
[00:39:52]  I just ate too.
[00:39:53]  I felt like a pig.
[00:39:54]  I'm going to put my Bubba shirt back on.
[00:39:57]  Crazy.
[00:39:59]  We were just eating like a pig 10 minutes ago.
[00:40:02]  I'd like to just get off a fucking roller coaster.
[00:40:07]  Oh, bruh.
[00:40:07]  And I was looking this up.
[00:40:09]  And so, like, obviously, like, what I think a lot of people think really happened is like Bubba the Love Sponge, who says that this was caught on his home security system and the tape was stolen off his desk by somebody who sold it to Gawker.
[00:40:23]  Obviously, Bubba the Love Sponge sold this to Gawker.
[00:40:25]  It's like the craziest.
[00:40:27]  Not Bubba the Love Sponge.
[00:40:29]  I was watching, I was watching, and like they're, I think this is, they're all Florida swingers, but I was watching Bubba talk about it.
[00:40:36]  And this is such a crazy quote.
[00:40:39]  And they're going to say, oh, his best friend, Bubba the Love Sponge, taped Hogan fucking his wife, and then Bubba tried to sell it and do him dirty.
[00:40:50]  There's truth to that.
[00:40:51]  I did let him fuck my wife.
[00:40:53]  And my home surveillance system got captivated it, as it captivates everything.
[00:41:00]  That's my only dabbling in the whole thing.
[00:41:03]  The sequence of events that happened thereafter will absolutely blow people's fucking minds when they find out how this all went down.
[00:41:12]  Now, I'm not trying to say, oh, listen, I'm innocent.
[00:41:15]  No, no, I let my best friend fuck my hot wife.
[00:41:19]  Oh, well, thank God that it was able to captivate all of it.
[00:41:23]  Sorry.
[00:41:25]  These people are sick.
[00:41:27]  This is like this is at the beginning of it.
[00:41:30]  He's like, I'm going to go hang on the office.
[00:41:32]  You fuck my wife in here.
[00:41:34]  I'm just like, these are for sure upside-down pineapple, Brian Quimby style swingers.
[00:41:39]  No, I don't want to know anything about any of this.
[00:41:42]  But yeah, I was just thinking that whole time.
[00:41:44]  I was like, damn, dude, I've seen this dude get a blow.
[00:41:46]  So I have a question, which maybe we should, I should actually hold my question until we get to Elon because it has to do with, I want to ask you some race science questions about South Africans.
[00:41:56]  Okay, we'll talk about that with Elon.
[00:41:58]  But I'll talk about that with Elon.
[00:41:59]  Just thinking about T.O.
[00:42:00]  We had who the fuck?
[00:42:03]  We had Tucker up there.
[00:42:04]  Sucked.
[00:42:05]  Tucker.
[00:42:06]  Yeah, I had never seen him before.
[00:42:09]  He really woke everybody up, I would say.
[00:42:11]  Yeah, they definitely, there was a fully, the program was considerably too long, even for the very receptive people.
[00:42:18]  Yeah.
[00:42:18]  Dana White came out.
[00:42:20]  People were not happy about it.
[00:42:21]  That was when it started the groaning.
[00:42:23]  People were really like started chanting Elon or We Want Trump.
[00:42:27]  Yeah.
[00:42:27]  And then they announced Howard Luttnick and the amount, the audible groans and fuck you're that were people.
[00:42:36]  People were just yelling, fuck you.
[00:42:40]  I have never heard anything like this.
[00:42:43]  This was like, seriously, this was like a revolt in the people were, because this was like, Howard Luttnick got like star billing.
[00:42:49]  He went up before Elon.
[00:42:51]  Yes.
[00:42:51]  Who went up before Trump.
[00:42:53]  Yeah, before Melania.
[00:42:54]  Lutnick is after, yeah, before Melania.
[00:42:56]  Luttnick is after fucking like every, all of the crowd.
[00:43:01]  Stephen Miller, like, you know, fucking.
[00:43:03]  I forgot about Stephen Miller.
[00:43:04]  I know.
[00:43:05]  I could not believe we saw Stephen Miller.
[00:43:06]  I was like, holy shit.
[00:43:08]  Paul Cocksucker is a fucking Nazi.
[00:43:10]  Yeah, he looked like the slender man.
[00:43:12]  He does.
[00:43:13]  I don't like him.
[00:43:13]  Yeah.
[00:43:14]  Yeah.
[00:43:15]  Physiognomy doesn't lie, as I was hearing people say.
[00:43:18]  And let me tell you, that thing's telling the truth.
[00:43:21]  So Howard Luttnick, I just want to real quick mention this guy because he's the CEO of Cantor Fitzgerald, which is an investment firm.
[00:43:33]  He's also co-chair of Trump's transition team.
[00:43:35]  Trump's transitioning?
[00:43:37]  Yeah, along with Linda McMahon, who we mentioned, Vince McMahon's wife.
[00:43:40]  So he told Elon on stage, he's like, oh my God, it was so disgusting because this is like, I don't know, how old do you think Howard Luttnick is?
[00:43:50]  In his 60s?
[00:43:51]  70s?
[00:43:52]  70s, maybe.
[00:43:53]  And he is like ingratiating himself to Elon Musk.
[00:43:55]  It was just like kind of a real.
[00:43:57]  He's called him the greatest capitalist in history or something like that.
[00:44:00]  The greatest capitalist in the world or in the history of the world.
[00:44:03]  Something crazy like that.
[00:44:05]  But he's like, oh, I'm going to co-found Dodge with you.
[00:44:09]  And Elon's like, oh.
[00:44:10]  And he's like, you know, the Department of Government Efficiency.
[00:44:13]  Oh, he mispronounced it.
[00:44:16]  No, they're calling the Department.
[00:44:17]  They're calling the Trump has said that Elon is going to be in charge of the Department of Government Efficiency.
[00:44:23]  Yeah.
[00:44:23]  And that he's in charge of like slashing the federal budget.
[00:44:25]  No, no, I know that.
[00:44:26]  I know that.
[00:44:27]  But that is an that stand Dodge stands for.
[00:44:30]  I know, but I thought it was Doge.
[00:44:32]  Oh, whatever.
[00:44:33]  Yeah.
[00:44:33]  I mispronounced it.
[00:44:34]  I am.
[00:44:35]  You're fine.
[00:44:37]  So, but it's important to talk about him for a second because Politico speculates that he is on the shortlist or might be tapped for Trump's Treasury Secretary as well.
[00:44:46]  And he's up there.
[00:44:46]  He's telling this like weepy story about 9-11.
[00:44:49]  That's something that I think people might know if they've heard of Cantor Fitzgerald and they're not like 10 years old or whatever.
[00:44:55]  That Cantor Fitzgerald, they had two offices in the World Trade Center, or they had offices on two floors of the World Trade Center, and like they lost somewhere like 650, 700 employees in the attacks.
[00:45:09]  The day after, a lot of people don't know this, the day after 9-11, though, he, meaning Howard Lutnick, suspended paychecks to everyone who was missing from his firm, which a lot of the families were upset about because they didn't know their loved one.
[00:45:25]  They assumed that meant their loved ones were dead.
[00:45:27]  And they had not even, the bodies hadn't even been identified or confirmed, right?
[00:45:31]  A lot of people missing.
[00:45:32]  Yeah, that's fucking that's I respect that.
[00:45:35]  That's Hustler mindset right there.
[00:45:36]  Yeah, he was like, we got to preserve the company.
[00:45:38]  I'm suspending all pay to the families.
[00:45:40]  They're pretty upset about that.
[00:45:41]  He also pocketed a huge check of settlement money that Canter Fitzgerald received from American Airlines.
[00:45:47]  The firm sued the airline for failing to prevent the hijackers.
[00:45:51]  There was like a wave of those suits.
[00:45:53]  I think people might remember.
[00:45:56]  Can you read this?
[00:45:57]  It's from some reporting from 2014.
[00:46:00]  Some people inside Cantor believed the money would be distributed to families of company employees who died in the attacks or put into the firm's general coffers.
[00:46:09]  But during a conference call in March, Lutnick told senior executives the bulk of the money would be distributed among the firm's partners, according to one person on the call.
[00:46:19]  Further, the person said each partner would receive $2 for each partnership unit.
[00:46:24]  So you might guess this, but Howard Lutnick is naturally the firm's largest shareholder.
[00:46:30]  So he took their speculation that he took anywhere between 15 million and 25 million in that settlement.
[00:46:36]  And apparently, like Cantor never promised the family victims like a portion of the money, but they absolutely could have given it to them.
[00:46:47]  And there was a piece from The Intercept that interviewed widows of two Cantor employees that were killed on 9-11.
[00:46:57]  And this is what they had to say.
[00:46:58]  It's a little shocking.
[00:46:59]  Howard always made it sound like he was always going to take care of us and was doing everything in our best interest.
[00:47:04]  And now learning about this doesn't feel like that anymore.
[00:47:07]  I mean, I'm just trying to paint a picture of who this guy is.
[00:47:10]  But what the thing I really want to flag about him, because this actually pertains to maybe a little bit of our interests as well, is that Cantor Fitzgerald is one of the guarantors of Tether's reserves.
[00:47:27]  Do you remember Tether?
[00:47:28]  I do.
[00:47:29]  We've done an episode on Tether.
[00:47:31]  Yeah, I'm going to actually link.
[00:47:32]  We're going to link to it if I remember in the show notes because it was a while ago.
[00:47:36]  And Tether is still in the news, by the way, as evidenced by this.
[00:47:40]  But Tether, for if you don't know, it's one of the most important firms in the entire crypto crypto ecosystem.
[00:47:47]  It is a stable coin, which means that it's quote unquote pegged to the dollar one-to-one.
[00:47:53]  It's kind of like the crypto ecosystem substitute for the dollar.
[00:47:56]  It's the most traded cryptocurrency, like as much as $190 billion in Tether moves every day.
[00:48:03]  It's a financing tool.
[00:48:06]  There was, there's a huge scandal because a lot of crypto watchers, including ourselves, believe that it's reserves, aka, it says that it's pegged to the dollar, so it needs to have as many dollars as Tether's that it issues, right, for it to be one-to-one.
[00:48:22]  There's a lot of people that don't believe that those reserves exist.
[00:48:25]  So there's a great headline from Bloomberg earlier this year, which was Tether's reserves do exist.
[00:48:31]  Cantor Fitzgerald's CEO says.
[00:48:34]  And Howard Lutnick then says, I hold their treasuries.
[00:48:37]  They have a lot of treasuries.
[00:48:37]  I'm a big fan of Tether's.
[00:48:42]  So there's a lot of questions, like I said, about the reality of Tether's reserves.
[00:48:48]  It's a really weird story that I just want to pinpoint for people listening and maybe for some more people to look into, which was that earlier this year in July, Lutnik announced that Cantor Fitzgerald was opening a Bitcoin financing wing of like the firm.
[00:49:07]  And they said this at one of the big Bitcoin conferences.
[00:49:09]  I don't know which one.
[00:49:10]  And they were like, we're going to start offering leverage to Bitcoin investors.
[00:49:14]  They said they're going to launch with $2 billion in lending.
[00:49:18]  And they said, and this was like from the release, that it would require them to partner with select Bitcoin custodians.
[00:49:24]  And people reached out, but I don't think there's been any answer on who they were partnering with to make that happen.
[00:49:30]  And Protos, Protos, which is like an investigative, crypto investigative outlet, they noted that according to Tether's most recent attestation, its secured lending business has grown by $1.9 billion in like the past year or since its previous attestation, meaning that both Cantor and Tether have grown their secured lending business by basically identical amounts, which is very strange.
[00:49:59]  And yet nothing has been made or announced about any kind of partnership, even though Cantor is the one guaranteeing Tether's reserves.
[00:50:07]  You know where I'm going with this.
[00:50:08]  I know where you're going with this.
[00:50:09]  Yeah.
[00:50:09]  There's some funny business happening here.
[00:50:11]  Absolutely.
[00:50:12]  I mean, look, Tether is currently, still currently, and again currently under investigation by the SDNY for money laundering.
[00:50:21]  The Treasury Department is also considering sanctions because of a bunch of questions about business that they've done with like cartels in Mexico and helping firms circumvent sanctions on Russia.
[00:50:35]  DOJ started investigating Tether years and years ago.
[00:50:38]  We talked about that in the episode.
[00:50:40]  They were looking into bank fraud, forgery, money laundering, you name it.
[00:50:45]  Bitfinex paid out like $18.5 million to settle those claims.
[00:50:50]  And the CFTC has fined Tether for lying about its reserves.
[00:50:54]  But like this is a whole new investigation that was just announced.
[00:50:58]  So it's like it is one of the most like black hole corrupt arms in crypto, which is saying a lot.
[00:51:07]  And it should be noted that like Trump has said and specifically gone after Bitcoin people as like a huge growing constituency.

=== Bitfinex Scandal Revealed (14:13) ===

[00:51:17]  Yeah, absolutely.
[00:51:18]  He's like, he's all in on crypto.
[00:51:20]  He's all in on crypto.
[00:51:21]  He's like, we're making America the crypto capital, whatever that fucking is.
[00:51:23]  He's fucking making a fucking scan.
[00:51:25]  He's making a fucking shit coin.
[00:51:27]  He has one.
[00:51:28]  And they're like, oh, it's pumping by like 20%.
[00:51:30]  That means he's going to win.
[00:51:31]  It's like, no, bitch, this is a fucking, what are you doing?
[00:51:34]  Yeah.
[00:51:34]  You're still on that, you think?
[00:51:39]  I hate this election.
[00:51:41]  I hate, it's crazy.
[00:51:43]  I mean, this is to pause for a second here.
[00:51:47]  I am so filled with hate right now.
[00:51:51]  And I'm a guy who is like, they call me Brother Love.
[00:51:56]  Brother the Love.
[00:51:58]  Brother the Love Spot.
[00:52:00]  They call me Belton Love Spun.
[00:52:02]  But, you know, you know what I mean?
[00:52:04]  I'm like Mr. Like I go.
[00:52:05]  I see anybody with a gun in any circumstances.
[00:52:07]  I see a holstered NYPD service pistol.
[00:52:10]  I go down on my hands and knees like I'm about to suck the dude's dick and I fucking put a daisy in the barrel, that motherfucker.
[00:52:16]  I am Mr. Peace Love and understanding.
[00:52:18]  You're handing that Pepsi out left and right.
[00:52:21]  Am I handing it?
[00:52:22]  Yeah, absolutely I am.
[00:52:23]  And I'm kissing that beautiful woman from the ad.
[00:52:26]  The thing that I dislike that right now is everybody involved in the business of governing this fucking country.
[00:52:35]  Like, we haven't been to any, well, I guess we did go to a Kamala thing with the DNC, but like we haven't, we haven't been to anything.
[00:52:42]  That was a lot.
[00:52:43]  That was a lot.
[00:52:44]  The thing about the Democrats is that you really got to take in all of the fan base to really like get the horror of the whole thing.
[00:52:51]  Yeah, you really do.
[00:52:52]  I'm just like, these people are fucking sick.
[00:52:56]  Like all of this, like this is a sick country that is governed by sick people that does sick things.
[00:53:03]  I just, I am so sick of these fucking people.
[00:53:08]  I'm sick because of this.
[00:53:16]  We had, because we got to transition with Elon and some other stuff.
[00:53:20]  So I think we should talk about maybe a little bit of the other part of the rally, which was Melania came up, crazy accent on her.
[00:53:28]  I think her hair color is a little too, I don't think, I think it's like a little too warm right now.
[00:53:33]  You think so?
[00:53:34]  We should ice it her a little bit?
[00:53:35]  I don't know.
[00:53:36]  It could have been the lighting at Master.
[00:53:37]  She needs an umbre.
[00:53:39]  It's funny.
[00:53:40]  I did note how Trump loves the word beautiful.
[00:53:43]  Yeah.
[00:53:44]  He really, he uses beautiful all the time.
[00:53:46]  Beautiful Melania.
[00:53:47]  Beautiful, the beautiful dress Melania was wearing.
[00:53:49]  Beautiful Melania.
[00:53:50]  Isn't she so beautiful?
[00:53:51]  Yeah, he does say beautiful.
[00:53:52]  Beautiful Hillary.
[00:53:53]  He also squeezed her butt, which kind of made me horny.
[00:53:56]  I didn't catch that.
[00:53:57]  He did squeeze her butt.
[00:53:58]  Yeah, he squeezed her butt a little bit.
[00:54:00]  Damn.
[00:54:02]  And then Trump came on, and it was, at that point, I was like, I just got to get, I was, so I was like staring out of the crowd and I not to sound like a fucking Bushwick bisexual, but I was dissociating.
[00:54:13]  I was like looking and like the lights going over everybody.
[00:54:16]  I was like, oh yeah, you leaned over me.
[00:54:17]  You're like, damn, look at the lights.
[00:54:18]  It makes you feel crazy.
[00:54:19]  Yeah.
[00:54:20]  I was like, for like a good hour and a half, who knows how long?
[00:54:23]  I got lost in time.
[00:54:24]  For a good hour and a half, I was like looking at the crowd in front of the stage and just like, I needed these, my little pet me up.
[00:54:35]  Yeah, it was tough.
[00:54:36]  Trump came on and then Trump just gives his stump speech.
[00:54:39]  Yeah.
[00:54:40]  He was very low energy.
[00:54:41]  Trump has been low energy now for like a couple weeks.
[00:54:44]  Well, he, I was a little shocked at how low energy he was.
[00:54:48]  I think that maybe he picked up a little steam when he started riffing a little bit.
[00:54:51]  Yeah.
[00:54:51]  But as he was just running through the stump, he was low energy.
[00:54:57]  He felt like sleepy dawn.
[00:54:59]  And I was like, what is going on?
[00:55:01]  Is it just because it was like a little bit late?
[00:55:03]  I think, I mean, the reality is he's an old guy.
[00:55:05]  He's doing a lot of campaigning.
[00:55:07]  He's campaigning hard.
[00:55:08]  Like he is going all over the place.
[00:55:09]  Crazy events.
[00:55:10]  He's doing like a ton of interviews.
[00:55:12]  I think he's a four-hour a-night sleep guy, too.
[00:55:14]  Which isn't great.
[00:55:15]  That's not great.
[00:55:16]  Believe me, I know.
[00:55:18]  But like when I watched his Rogan interview, which I know you, you or some of that, I didn't watch it.
[00:55:24]  But he sounded really old on that.
[00:55:27]  Like it was, I mean, he was a little tough for me to follow.
[00:55:29]  Yeah, I just, he just, I mean, he's always done the tangents, tangent stuff, but I'm just saying like his like, his vocalizations, like it sounded like an old man talking.
[00:55:37]  Yeah.
[00:55:38]  It wasn't like the classic Trump impression Trump talk.
[00:55:41]  It's like he actually doesn't really talk like, I mean, he talks in that manner still, but his actual voice, it has the, like one, it whistles with the winds of time.
[00:55:52]  I said, Vladimir, you're not going in.
[00:55:54]  He, I thought that he was a little bit, I don't know if it was like sleepy or I'm doing a little bit of a body language expert science, race science.
[00:56:08]  Body gives a score.
[00:56:09]  But I'm wondering, he seemed mad to me.
[00:56:14]  Like he didn't seem like he was in a good mood.
[00:56:16]  And I wonder if he was a little bit pissed at that Hinchcliffe set.
[00:56:20]  He also, it might have been pitched to the Hinchcliffe thing.
[00:56:22]  Because people started, it started going viral real fast.
[00:56:25]  And people started kind of freaking a little bit.
[00:56:27]  It was definitely an unforced error to have a guy just like come up on stage and be like, Puerto Ricans are disgusting.
[00:56:33]  Well, it's really crazy too.
[00:56:34]  Just not to go back to Hinchcliffe, but because we've got to move on, but I guess it came out that the campaign killed one of the jokes.
[00:56:42]  He was going to call Kamala a cunt.
[00:56:46]  And they were like, no, you can't do that.
[00:56:47]  And it's like, wait, but did you guys see the rest of it?
[00:56:50]  And you saw that that was okay?
[00:56:51]  Like, you cleared everything else?
[00:56:53]  And it's funny because like your ground game team, Elon, just put out an ad called Kamala.
[00:56:59]  You know, I'm not even going to say it.
[00:57:02]  You know what?
[00:57:03]  Because it feels bad to say.
[00:57:04]  You're not British.
[00:57:05]  I know.
[00:57:06]  We're Australian.
[00:57:07]  No, first of all, if you're Australian, do not talk.
[00:57:10]  Yeah, but they'd be saying that.
[00:57:12]  That's like the people that really say that.
[00:57:13]  I don't think they should be saying anything.
[00:57:15]  That's so true.
[00:57:18]  I don't want to hear that.
[00:57:19]  If he could have done that in an Australian accent, that would have been crazy.
[00:57:22]  But yeah, one imagines that like he's like, my stupid fucking son, Don Jr. Got one of his stupid fucking comedian friends up here to be like, Puerto Ricans are disgusting.
[00:57:32]  Blacks love watermelons.
[00:57:35]  Like, you know, the Jews love money.
[00:57:38]  It's like, oh, bro, you're going to, like, I get it, but, like, you are supposed to be president in, like, a week, you know?
[00:57:54]  We got to talk about Elon's speech.
[00:57:56]  So Elon, we were both like Jones in for Elon.
[00:58:00]  I needed him more than I've needed anyone.
[00:58:02]  That's who we wanted to seek.
[00:58:04]  Because as people who've been listening to the show know, we've been on the Elon beat for a very long time.
[00:58:10]  We've been track tracking this motherfucker for longer than some of you have been alive.
[00:58:18]  Listening to the podcast.
[00:58:19]  But so we were very excited.
[00:58:21]  I was more excited to see Elon than I was Trump because I was like, I've seen Trump.
[00:58:24]  I've seen Trump.
[00:58:25]  I mean, I've seen Trump.
[00:58:26]  I was like, maybe they'll bring out someone crazy.
[00:58:28]  Nah, no one.
[00:58:29]  Hogan?
[00:58:30]  I don't give a fuck about Hogan.
[00:58:33]  See like a pig.
[00:58:34]  But Elon, I was excited for.
[00:58:37]  This motherfucker, first of all, on drugs.
[00:58:41]  Oh, yeah.
[00:58:42]  Comes skipping out and then cowers and gives a like iced shit 90 second speech.
[00:58:51]  He must have said 20 sentences all to.
[00:58:53]  So I've watched a lot of Elon's America Pack speeches recently.
[00:58:57]  One of the worst public speakers that I've ever encountered in my life.
[00:59:03]  And I'm counting like middle school.
[00:59:04]  You got to go up and like do an oral exam pause in front of the fucking class.
[00:59:08]  And not because of his accent.
[00:59:10]  And not, I don't want to, I don't want to hear, not because of his autism.
[00:59:13]  I don't want to.
[00:59:15]  Let's set it aside.
[00:59:16]  Okay.
[00:59:17]  Not interested in talking about it.
[00:59:19]  He cannot speak publicly.
[00:59:22]  Yeah, because I'm like, yeah.
[00:59:24]  Because I've seen that show with the doctor who's autistic, and that guy just talks.
[00:59:28]  You know what I'm saying?
[00:59:29]  If he could do that, he would not.
[00:59:32]  Anyways, he comes out, he does his little fucking moves.
[00:59:36]  The way that he chants USA, which we played at the beginning of this episode, I have never heard anything like that in my life.
[00:59:42]  This is somebody who is, I was thinking about this earlier today on the walk over here.
[00:59:47]  I don't, he's human.
[00:59:50]  He is human for sure.
[00:59:53]  But it's like a kind of human that I don't think, nope, can't really.
[01:00:00]  Let's move on.
[01:00:01]  I just, I don't, I don't like his vibe.
[01:00:04]  And this is an anti-social personality that one can can just immediately grasp.
[01:00:11]  And to be in an arena full of people yelling, Elon, Elon, I was like, do we live on the same fucking world?
[01:00:19]  I know.
[01:00:20]  Like, I guess, I mean, my thing is I probably have some of that stupid, like, fucking, like, oh, I don't really like anything that much.
[01:00:26]  Because I was thinking when people were like, I, you know, they camped outside for Trump.
[01:00:29]  I'm like, what would I camp out for on a in fucking Manhattan for?
[01:00:33]  And the answer is basically nothing.
[01:00:35]  Yeah.
[01:00:36]  Maybe like 69 stones, 70 stones.
[01:00:42]  But like, sorry, took me a second.
[01:00:43]  The Rolling Stones if it was 1970.
[01:00:45]  Yeah.
[01:00:45]  I was like, damn, that's a lot of rocks.
[01:00:46]  Or Thin Lizzie when they had two guitarists.
[01:00:49]  But like, I don't.
[01:00:50]  It has to be something that exists in the real world.
[01:00:52]  That did exist.
[01:00:53]  Not did, does.
[01:00:55]  Have you seen Interstellar?
[01:00:56]  That's all happening right now at the same time.
[01:00:58]  And I love it.
[01:00:59]  So it's that's the strongest element.
[01:01:01]  But no, I don't think of anything.
[01:01:03]  I can't think of anything that right now I would camp out on the sidewalks.
[01:01:07]  You're saying you don't belong to a fandom.
[01:01:08]  I don't.
[01:01:09]  And it's seeing people in the Elon fandom, which I'm in a rival fandom, honestly.
[01:01:13]  I'm in the TrueNON fandom.
[01:01:14]  And we're rivals.
[01:01:16]  We're rivals.
[01:01:17]  And I just, I was so taken aback by it.
[01:01:20]  His speech was nothing.
[01:01:22]  He said nothing.
[01:01:23]  In all of his speeches, he says nothing.
[01:01:25]  He stumbles over his words.
[01:01:26]  And the people justify it by saying, A, he's autistic, which like, okay.
[01:01:30]  This is like the same reason like, oh, don't make fun of furries.
[01:01:32]  Like, okay, we'll get some comments about that.
[01:01:35]  But it's like, okay, but that's not why he's doing this.
[01:01:39]  Oh, they'll say, like, oh, no, he's so smart.
[01:01:41]  This is something I see that people say.
[01:01:42]  Yes.
[01:01:43]  He's so smart that his brain moves too quickly.
[01:01:46]  And that he, like, that's why he interrupts himself is because his thoughts just leapfrog over each other.
[01:01:51]  Yeah, it's not the drugs.
[01:01:52]  It's his thoughts.
[01:01:53]  I'm sorry.
[01:01:54]  If this guy was like solving complex math equations in his mind and like blurting out numbers like fucking Rainman, which I've never seen, but I assume I know what happens because, you know, it's been in the culture long enough.
[01:02:03]  If he's like doing Rainman shit, he's like 47, 94, Fibonacci or whatever.
[01:02:08]  I'm like, okay, I get that.
[01:02:10]  But he's like, he's like saying, there's so much immigration.
[01:02:15]  And these people are coming.
[01:02:17]  I'm sorry.
[01:02:18]  So his brain is moving so fast and he just talks like a guy who's like Tony Hint who's on Tony Hinchcliffe's show doing an impression of Rush Limbaugh.
[01:02:26]  He is fucking stupid.
[01:02:27]  I've never actually heard him say something that I was like, wow, how smart.
[01:02:33]  That's the thing I really don't understand about the Elon fandom.
[01:02:35]  Like I've never heard Elon Musk say something.
[01:02:37]  I'm like, damn, what a thinker.
[01:02:40]  What a thinker.
[01:02:41]  We live in fucking Reddit nation.
[01:02:43]  We do live in a fucking Reddit nation.
[01:02:45]  And Reddit has no, Reddit has no, it takes both wings to fly that Reddit bird.
[01:02:51]  He is left and right, Reddit, and he is, boy, he switched.
[01:02:55]  He is fucking Rick and Morty to me.
[01:02:56]  He is nothing.
[01:02:57]  He is, I look down on this person.
[01:03:01]  And his speech sucked.
[01:03:03]  Well, we should talk, let's talk a little bit about Elon because he, you know, like the most annoying person at any party, he is inserting himself into every national conversation about the election.
[01:03:16]  It's funny, like Elon prior to this election season was not really known to be very involved in politics.
[01:03:27]  He's always, he loves begging the federal government and state government for money, but he's not like ever been out and out like trying to influence candidates or being Mr. Politics or being out in the out in the arena doing things.
[01:03:42]  No, his whole thing.
[01:03:43]  He's not really doing that.
[01:03:44]  His whole thing, he's probably posted this 10 million times, but his whole thing is like, you know, that like fucking stupid political cartoon where it's like how it used to be.
[01:03:52]  It's like center, centrist guy, right-wing guy, left-wing guy, and the centrist guy is like in the center.
[01:03:57]  And then it's like how politics are now.
[01:03:59]  And the left-wing guy has like moved way further left.
[01:04:02]  And now the center is like, and the right has stayed there.
[01:04:05]  So the center is closer to the right.
[01:04:07]  His whole thing is that he's a centrist, but the left has gone crazy.
[01:04:11]  And the right, which I'm not part of, I'm a centrist, has stayed there.
[01:04:15]  And they seem like the more sane thing.
[01:04:17]  His whole thing, and this is such a fucking, it's a, it's a, and I, Reddit as an insult is now Reddit somehow.
[01:04:24]  So like, I can't say that, but this is genuinely, I'm not even saying this in an insulting way.
[01:04:29]  This is, this literally like the Reddit ideology is like, I'm a rational centrist guy who's like, I like things from both sides.
[01:04:38]  And like, you know, I take a little bit of this.
[01:04:41]  I take a little bit of that.
[01:04:42]  I take a little bit of this.
[01:04:43]  And that's his whole thing.
[01:04:44]  But he is fun.
[01:04:45]  He's been a Republican for years.
[01:04:48]  Well, so it came out that, I mean, you know, he had previously given like $50 million to add campaigns attacking Democrats in the 2022 midterm.
[01:04:57]  So it's like that, it was like in that season that he kind of like started finally giving money to politicians all over the place.
[01:05:07]  In 2023, he started openly supporting Ron Dion DeSantis, R.I.P. Crazy.
[01:05:14]  He gave him like $10 million, which is like really funny.
[01:05:16]  But what he's doing for Trump, this go-around, is like on a whole nother level.
[01:05:22]  And it's not just him like de facto moving to Pennsylvania or whatever and being like, I'm going to run the Get Out the Vote campaign for Trump, which is fucking crazy.

=== Elon's Twitter Gambit (14:46) ===

[01:05:31]  Or doing all of these rallies or the lottery, which we're going to talk about.
[01:05:35]  But it's like he has turned X, the everything app, into basically an informal organ of the campaign of the Trump campaign.
[01:05:42]  Absolutely.
[01:05:43]  Without a doubt, yes.
[01:05:44]  Which, like, I will say, not to whatever, but it is, I am curious if there are legal minds out there.
[01:05:51]  I'm really curious if there is, you know, if he were to boost tweets from Trump surrogates, would that be considered a campaign contribution as in-kind advertising?
[01:06:04]  I bet, I mean, I guarantee you it's not like Elon's too stupid to run stuff by that, like that by lawyers.
[01:06:10]  Yeah, totally.
[01:06:11]  But like, I bet, because like Dan Bongino or whatever, I mean, I don't think he works for the Trump.
[01:06:15]  I forgot about it.
[01:06:17]  But like, so like I Dan Bongino.
[01:06:20]  I want to sit with Dan Fontino.
[01:06:23]  So I use like when you say that.
[01:06:25]  You know, like Twitter, I don't follow.
[01:06:27]  I just have the Trunon account.
[01:06:28]  I don't follow.
[01:06:29]  I don't use it.
[01:06:30]  My intern uses it.
[01:06:31]  Yeah.
[01:06:31]  Unpaid.
[01:06:32]  Not only unpaid, but my intern who I beat viciously with a cane does it.
[01:06:36]  Like he's like he's literally in Singapore.
[01:06:39]  And I, you know, and I'm, I'm at Raffles and I see him and I dislike his discount of his jibe.
[01:06:44]  And I emerge from Raffles and beat my Twitter intern with the cane.
[01:06:48]  And then I fucking kiss his ass on the mouth.
[01:06:52]  But the, and by that I mean lips, not asshole.
[01:06:55]  The Twitter, like, so I just see the for you page.
[01:07:01]  It's just like the like algorithm.
[01:07:03]  It is just all Nazi videos.
[01:07:05]  Like it's all Nazi videos or like Twitter is basically, it's crazy how like fucking busted in budget that shit is, but it's all like fucking viral accounts called like viral fight vids that are all run by like Indian guys who like see that the algorithm is favoring right-wing stuff.
[01:07:24]  So it all is just like also right-wing shit.
[01:07:26]  All these fucking like N-Wokeness, which I think is Jack Besobiac or whatever, but like the other ones that like the smaller versions of N wokeness that are all just like, look at these black people kind of like Twitter accounts.
[01:07:38]  That's like all that it is.
[01:07:40]  Yeah.
[01:07:40]  It's like, look at these, like, I, and I, it's just, I, I don't know, I don't know any way to put it, but like all these fucking Twitter accounts that either explicitly or implicitly, but almost always explicitly are just like, look at these black animals and like these fucking like these these Muslim fucking pigs or whatever, uh, video after video after video after video after fucking video after fucking video.
[01:07:59]  And I like click on this shit.
[01:08:01]  Like it just shows me it.
[01:08:04]  It's crazy because I think that it's funny.
[01:08:08]  I was thinking about this and I was, you know, I'm always like, I've said this for a really long time where I'm like, Twitter is real life, Twitter is real life.
[01:08:16]  Because I was like, it's a way to push back on people from saying like Twitter is not real life and trying to say that like the social behaviors that are exhibited, honed, manipulated, perfected, whatever online have no.
[01:08:31]  Like it's a way of kind of like disabusing any kind of like responsibility for social behavior or, like you know, or even just taking account of it as actual like social interactions right and, and so I, you know that's important, that's always been important for me to kind of push back on and be like, no, twitter is real life and also that stuff like whatever happens online on these networks leaks to the outside.
[01:08:53]  We know that right, there is no kind of, so there's always a way to kind of push that there.
[01:08:58]  There wasn't that big of a distinction and I think that it's almost like what you're seeing from Elon is like he's trying to like push that thesis to its limit and it feels like what he's trying to do is like reverse engineer the world through the manipulation of the network.
[01:09:16]  Yeah, and like he might do it.
[01:09:20]  Yeah, I mean that's what.
[01:09:21]  That's what's kind of extraordinary about the whole thing, like I think it really is.
[01:09:24]  I mean it's it's hard because the like I think people often use like twitter as like a way to gauge public sentiment about things obviously very imperfect system and like one of the most important imperfect things is like very few people use twitter like relative to the general population.
[01:09:40]  I think a lot more people do now and have for like years, even before ELON bought it, but like I think obviously its membership has been has been growing.
[01:09:49]  Now it's like more difficult because, like under any big tweet, it's just like 500 guys like Indian guys with like chat gpt responses of like four different things underneath it um, which has somehow replaced all the porn bots.
[01:10:01]  But like it really is like I think in some part, like it does just make you think it's like the same way that like like a lot of people who say like twitter isn't real life, really what they're saying is like my antisocial like activities on this website are not a reflection of who I am as a person, right and like.
[01:10:18]  One of the reasons I really stopped using twitter is because, like actually the like the effective ways to use it is fundamentally antisocial.
[01:10:26]  Like if you want to like get a big twitter, If you want to do whatever, it is like pretty antisocial.
[01:10:30]  And like, I realized that I actually really didn't like the way that it made me feel.
[01:10:33]  And like, looking, like, the only like the enjoyment I got from using it was being mean to people I didn't like and looking at things that I made me mad.
[01:10:43]  And I was like, damn, that actually, why am I waking up?
[01:10:47]  And like, one of the first things I do as I'm making coffee is I like, let's look at the website that pisses me off, you know, and like, let me go find something that pisses me off.
[01:10:56]  And now that's just all like, but that was because I, I, that's how I use Twitter.
[01:11:01]  That's how a lot of people use Twitter.
[01:11:03]  But now it's like, I don't know if you can really use it any other way.
[01:11:05]  Yeah.
[01:11:06]  Like, especially with the monetization thing, like what's monetized and like what gets like favor, and he also like pays right-wing people more.
[01:11:14]  Um, but like what's my and the Krassensteins, but like what's what's monetized is like, you know, videos of like, look at these black animals.
[01:11:22]  Yeah.
[01:11:22]  You know, like it is a website to make money off of posting pictures of or just being racist.
[01:11:27]  Like that's really what it is.
[01:11:29]  And I think too, like, I mean, I think you're absolutely right.
[01:11:32]  And I think that Elon is really, you know, in the last year or so, I mean, it's crazy.
[01:11:36]  It's been two years since he bought X. Wait, he bought Twitter.
[01:11:39]  Change it to X.
[01:11:40]  Oh my God.
[01:11:41]  The everything app.
[01:11:42]  Deboonking myself.
[01:11:45]  I think that Elon, you know, he's really like pushing the buttons on this thing and like pushing it to its limits to see what he can achieve for the election, obviously.
[01:11:54]  And he has a lot.
[01:11:56]  I mean, there's a lot of reasons why he personally is invested in this election that I want to talk about.
[01:12:00]  But I think there's like two things that he is kind of doing here.
[01:12:04]  Is that like one, yes, he's trying to affect change in the world.
[01:12:08]  It's like, you know, we can manipulate this network and change how people perceive the world, what they pay attention to, how that shapes their beliefs about politics, social issues, you know, how they then interact with people.
[01:12:21]  So whatever they do outside of the screen, so on and so on, right?
[01:12:25]  But there's also like, I've been thinking about this a lot, where it is creating this alternate reality for a lot of people that can then maybe be instrumentalized in case his thesis about being able to change the world is wrong, right?
[01:12:43]  And what I mean by that is that like, it's almost like a hedge against itself in a way, where like if people believe the feed is real, then they will deny reality when those two things inevitably come to head-to-head, right?
[01:13:00]  Yeah, I think a really good indication of that is that Elon's insistence on X, the everything app, being a news app.
[01:13:07]  Yeah.
[01:13:08]  One of his catamites, this guy, I think it's his Twitter's doji designer, a guy from India, which I'm not saying anything wrong with Indian people.
[01:13:17]  I'm just saying like, this is just like, one of his, he has all these weird like guys that like in India who like make stuff for him that he retweets.
[01:13:24]  I don't understand the relationship there if these guys are paid or whatever, but they're like ambassadors for there's like three of them.
[01:13:30]  They're like ambassadors for Elon Musk.
[01:13:33]  But there's this guy who like every couple weeks or every week, he'll like post the like the not podcast, the app downloads and it'll be like the charts.
[01:13:42]  And like X is the top news app in fucking Australia.
[01:13:46]  X is the top news app in America or whatever.
[01:13:49]  And Texas is the top news app in the world.
[01:13:51]  X is not a news app.
[01:13:52]  X is a social media app that like people post insane things and lies on, basically.
[01:13:59]  And I think one of like his big thing is like you cannot get anything true from anything mainstream or even really not mainstream because they throttle all links to everything else on the website.
[01:14:12]  You can actually only get real news from these like completely insane, like anonymous chat GPT blue check accounts that pay me money here on X. Everything else is false outside of this website.
[01:14:26]  On this website, everything is true because community notes will tell you if it's not true.
[01:14:32]  Or not even.
[01:14:33]  Like I've been following this for months and therefore I know it's true.
[01:14:39]  Like I think that it's like, you know, if, you know, if what happens if and when, who knows, things go differently from what people expect, you know, this goes either way, but it's really fucking blatant on what, on, you know, on the right and what Elon is trying to engineer.
[01:14:56]  So he's basically trying to social engineer this situation where you've got an army and an infrastructure with incontrovertible proof of their rightness that they can say, well, you know, we're going to talk about this next episode, so I don't want to like get into it too much, but it's like, oh, but all the markets had him at 60%.
[01:15:15]  Yes.
[01:15:16]  No, but all of those, all of these polls had it here.
[01:15:19]  All of this was going to happen.
[01:15:20]  I've been following this for so long and all of these people have been telling me this and I've been da da You know, I mean, it's like, it's similar to QAnon and it's similar to Russia Gate, but it is on this whole nother level now with X.
[01:15:34]  It is because it is the entire site.
[01:15:38]  It isn't just this now, this tiny little fandom.
[01:15:41]  Yeah.
[01:15:41]  It is spread through and infected the entire infrastructure of the thing.
[01:15:45]  And you know that because Elon is purposely putting his feet on the pedal and is pressing all the buttons to socially engineer this outcome.
[01:15:55]  Yes.
[01:15:55]  Yes.
[01:15:56]  And I think like, you know, you mentioned that like he's sort of hedging here something that came up repeatedly.
[01:16:03]  There was three themes that are four themes, I guess, from the rally.
[01:16:08]  One of which was we got to do mass deportations day one.
[01:16:11]  The second of which was Hillary Clinton is called us Nazis.
[01:16:13]  Ha ha ha.
[01:16:14]  We're not Nazis, but we're kind of Nazis.
[01:16:18]  The third one Was that I can't remember what the fourth one is now, but the third one was just like, We are, there's no way we're gonna lose the election, and they're going to cheat.
[01:16:31]  Like, that was the real big thing.
[01:16:32]  Like, there's just absolutely no way because look at the energy, and we didn't lose 2020.
[01:16:37]  We didn't lose 2020, and we're not gonna lose 2024.
[01:16:40]  Look at the energy here, look at the energy, look how many people are here, look what you see on X. Like, look at all the everything app.
[01:16:45]  Yes, it's it's you know what, trust yourself, trust your eyes, trust what you know, don't trust what they say, don't trust what they say, yeah.
[01:16:53]  Um, and I mean, there was people to me in line telling me is like they're like, I'm not gonna trust any literally, a guy told me, and I this sounds like woke baby style, but he's like, I'm not gonna trust anything what the mainstream media says about election results or anything like that.
[01:17:07]  But I'm like, I think they get them from the polling state, like they don't write them.
[01:17:12]  Like, I get like, yes, there's a whatever, like, I'm sure that there's election fraud in some instances.
[01:17:17]  I don't know, I don't know.
[01:17:18]  I'm that's like not even the point here.
[01:17:20]  The point is, like, the numbers that mainstream media gets are not, they're just not numbers they made up.
[01:17:27]  Like, I'm sorry, like, they're not, those are reported, like, they're reporting what has been delivered to like the DOE.
[01:17:34]  Yeah, like that, those numbers and then disseminated out there.
[01:17:37]  Like, that's just what it is.
[01:17:39]  Um, and like, yeah, I just, I don't know.
[01:17:43]  It's, it's, it's, it's, I think it's just, it's an accelerant on a lot of really bad impulses that we're building, anyways.
[01:17:51]  But, uh, yeah, I mean, let's talk about Elon and Trump a little bit.
[01:17:55]  Yeah, I mean, the thing with Elon and Trump is that they've had a relationship that's been, I would call them frenemies, like kind of back and forth.
[01:18:06]  It hasn't been the coziest of relationships.
[01:18:08]  So, I don't know what to make of it even now.
[01:18:11]  Um, you know, Elon was like very famously not supportive of Trump back in 2016.
[01:18:16]  He like endorsed Hillary.
[01:18:18]  You know, it was a kind of a classic, like, you know, remember, Elon, you know, during the Obama years was like Mr. Like he was like extreme, like lib.
[01:18:28]  I'm green energy, green energy.
[01:18:30]  Tesla is like the, it's like, how we're gonna say, you know, get out of climate change.
[01:18:35]  You know, um, climate change is real, all of that stuff.
[01:18:38]  Like, he was Mr. You know, like good liberals bought Teslas, right?
[01:18:44]  This is not the cyber truck era.
[01:18:46]  Um, all of this kind of changed when Trump got elected.
[01:18:50]  Elon was put on some economic advisory council, and he got a huge backlash from that from his fan base.
[01:18:58]  And he was like, I'm doing it to influence Trump.
[01:19:01]  You don't understand?
[01:19:02]  Influence Trump on climate change and space exploration.
[01:19:05]  And I'm like, oh, so Tesla and SpaceX got it.
[01:19:09]  You're advocating for your fucking companies, you moron.
[01:19:13]  Then he announced he like cut ties with the White House because he said that Trump pulling out of the Paris climate accords was like a bridge too far.
[01:19:21]  Yeah.
[01:19:21]  And he's like, climate change is real.
[01:19:24]  And he's, you know, does a whole thing.
[01:19:26]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:19:26]  He really hedges on talking about climate change now.
[01:19:29]  Yeah, he doesn't talk about any of that shit.
[01:19:30]  Like, it's right, I think it's like 2018 when things kind of start to change and when he starts like really, really getting addicted to memes, I think.
[01:19:42]  This is like something, and I understand this comes from a place of like whatever you want to call it.
[01:19:48]  I guess snobbery.
[01:19:49]  And I'm like, I think I'm so great.
[01:19:51]  But like, I find somebody who has the mannerisms, taste, and personality of Elon Musk to be like personally repulsive.
[01:20:01]  Yeah.
[01:20:02]  Like, if this, if Elon Musk wasn't a rich guy, but was like instead like a co-worker or something, I would eat his, I would eat his lunch and then pretend like he never brought it.
[01:20:12]  Like I would gaslight him into thinking he was crazy and like depression into quitting his job.

=== Elon's Memes Matter (15:36) ===

[01:20:17]  He was so crazy about memes.
[01:20:20]  He still is crazy about memes.
[01:20:22]  But I think that like we have to understand Elon like really believes in memes like you would believe in like, I don't know, like you like people believe in the power of love.
[01:20:32]  Like Elon believes in memes more than a lot of people believe in God.
[01:20:37]  Yeah.
[01:20:37]  You sent a, what did you sent me a tweet earlier?
[01:20:41]  What was it?
[01:20:42]  Elon Musk tweeted 62620.
[01:20:45]  Who controls the memes controls the universe?
[01:20:49]  He also, I think, I found another one.
[01:20:50]  He also him saying calling it the universe is so dweeb.
[01:20:54]  I know his it's the whole thing.
[01:20:55]  It's just like just shut up, shut up, shut up, shut up.
[01:20:58]  I know, I know, I know.
[01:20:59]  I'm with you.
[01:21:00]  I'm with you.
[01:21:00]  He also said on February 18, 2019, did meme review last night with Justin Royland from Rich and Morty.
[01:21:07]  What is meme review?
[01:21:10]  What is that?
[01:21:11]  That is in reply to his own tweet where he said, host meme review.
[01:21:14]  And it is him having like hosting like a science fiction style gun.
[01:21:19]  And there's a lot of, oh man, there's a there's a lot.
[01:21:26]  Mr. Beast replying, I triple dog dare you to host meme reviews.
[01:21:29]  And then Elon Musk says $5.
[01:21:31]  A picture of a cat that says breathing intensifies.
[01:21:34]  All right, stop.
[01:21:35]  Eyes Tony has responded with yes, please.
[01:21:37]  Eli Burton says, I don't know what that is.
[01:21:40]  Mars, I'm wet.
[01:21:42]  A picture of Mars.
[01:21:43]  And then NASA, I'm coming over.
[01:21:46]  Quackity says history being made.
[01:21:49]  What?
[01:21:50]  Only you, Elon.
[01:21:51]  Only you.
[01:21:52]  There's a lot of pewdie pie gifts.
[01:21:56]  Yeah, man.
[01:21:56]  This is just another world, dude.
[01:21:58]  I mean, I'm sorry.
[01:21:59]  Like, this is just, this is like looking at, I guess I'm like one of those Sentinel Island fucking guys, dude.
[01:22:05]  I'm just like, this is like, I'm looking out into a world that is completely foreign to me.
[01:22:09]  And if I stay too long at it, I'm going to get some disease that kills me.
[01:22:13]  It was this like era where he was really, really leaning into Twitter, like hard.
[01:22:18]  Like, you know, we've talked about a billion times we don't need to get into, but this is when he did the funding secured tweet that he got in trouble for, the pedo guy stuff that he got super in trouble for.
[01:22:27]  Yeah, but then got out of getting in trouble for.
[01:22:29]  Oh, yeah.
[01:22:30]  Elon always fucking hate.
[01:22:33]  But he's like, you know, kind of on a ton of drugs.
[01:22:35]  He starts staging grimes.
[01:22:37]  He DM'd Grimes on Twitter.
[01:22:39]  Yes.
[01:22:40]  He goes on Rogan.
[01:22:41]  It's this era.
[01:22:42]  That's where he does the smoke and weed thing.
[01:22:44]  Yeah.
[01:22:44]  He, you know, there's like so much going on.
[01:22:48]  So, but I want to like cut, you know, let's, you know, cut, flash forward, 2020 because I think like everyone, we were talking about this.
[01:22:59]  We've talked about this a billion times on the show.
[01:23:00]  It's a running theme, but also we were talking about it right before recording.
[01:23:03]  It's that like everyone, Elon went a little insane during COVID.
[01:23:07]  I think mostly because California shut down the Tesla factories.
[01:23:10]  I think that really was.
[01:23:11]  Remember, he went down to the Tesla factory and was like, arrest me, arrest me.
[01:23:16]  He was looming, looming.
[01:23:18]  He was loomering at the Tesla factory.
[01:23:20]  Help me, I'm loomering.
[01:23:23]  Yeah.
[01:23:25]  No, he like, for people who don't know, in during COVID, like in March of 2020, California shut down everything.
[01:23:33]  They shut down the Tesla factories because they were like, we need to protect workers.
[01:23:37]  We're not letting you, this is non-essential.
[01:23:40]  You're not manufacturing cars.
[01:23:42]  He like flipped out over it and demanded in like May of 2020 was like demanding that California open up the factories.
[01:23:52]  Like he got like Trump kind of came to Elon's defense during this time.
[01:23:56]  So again, now the, you know, a little frenemy action happening because we bring it back to Trump.
[01:24:01]  Trump comes to Elon's defense and, you know, he's like, oh, you know, Elon called like the government, California, state government fascist on one of his Tesla investor calls.
[01:24:10]  He starts tweeting shit like my pronouns are prosecute, Fauci.
[01:24:14]  That's so good.
[01:24:15]  That is my pronouns.
[01:24:18]  He starts talking about the red pill, which I'm just like, bro.
[01:24:22]  He starts talking about the red pill?
[01:24:23]  Dude, if you're talking about the red pill in 2020, it's like, oh, come on.
[01:24:27]  Come on.
[01:24:29]  What is the red pill?
[01:24:31]  Wait, seriously?
[01:24:32]  Well, I just don't understand because for me, I always thought the red pill was like women are liars.
[01:24:38]  No, it's both.
[01:24:39]  But then the red pill became like, and the blacks are stupid or whatever.
[01:24:42]  The red pill became, yes.
[01:24:43]  So, well, the women are liars thing was always like, it was like, it was that, but because the red pill is letting you see truths that they won't let you see.
[01:24:53]  Whoa, he's tweeted red pill so many times.
[01:24:57]  Oh my God.
[01:24:58]  Wait, I got to read out some of these.
[01:25:01]  This is May 17th, 2020.
[01:25:03]  Take the red pill and then the rose emoji.
[01:25:06]  Wow.
[01:25:06]  And then October 22nd, 2024, take the red pill.
[01:25:10]  No rose emoji.
[01:25:12]  He got 420,000 likes on the first, only 339,000 likes on the second.
[01:25:17]  He was also doing a lot of tweeting his predictions about COVID that were just hilarious.
[01:25:22]  Oh, I totally forgot.
[01:25:24]  He was like, this will blow over and two men.
[01:25:26]  In March 2020, he's like, based on current trends, probably close to zero new cases in U.S. by end of April.
[01:25:31]  He's so cool.
[01:25:33]  There was also like, he kind of came out and he was like, pronouns suck.
[01:25:36]  And he was like saying that and is like, he's trying to be badass.
[01:25:39]  And that's when Grimes was like, I cannot support hate.
[01:25:41]  Please stop this.
[01:25:42]  I know this is in your heart.
[01:25:43]  And then Elon's like, there's like another tweet where he was like, I absolutely support trans, but all these pronouns are an aesthetic spelled with an E-S-T-H-E-T-S.
[01:25:54]  Yeah.
[01:25:55]  Nightmare.
[01:25:56]  That was the classic Grimes tweet.
[01:25:58]  Put down your phone or give me a doll.
[01:25:59]  Yeah.
[01:26:00]  I cannot support hate.
[01:26:02]  He also said on July 21st, 2021, this is like a perfect Elon joke.
[01:26:06]  This is like, I would say this is like the platonic ideal of Elon's like sense of humor.
[01:26:14]  Stop gendering memes.
[01:26:17]  I mean mimes.
[01:26:19]  Like, what does that mean?
[01:26:20]  Like, you're like in your 40s?
[01:26:22]  Like, don't talk like that.
[01:26:24]  What are you saying?
[01:26:25]  What is like, like, I am jamming a gun so hard in your mouth that it knocks out your fucking front teeth and that you have like gagging like you get at the fucking dentist from it.
[01:26:34]  Tell me around the barrel what it means.
[01:26:38]  Just make some kind of intonation.
[01:26:40]  What does it mean?
[01:26:41]  What is stop gendering memes?
[01:26:44]  I mean mimes.
[01:26:45]  I understand that you're fucking.
[01:26:48]  What does it mean to even gender a meme?
[01:26:51]  What does it mean to gender a mime?
[01:26:54]  Is there a problem with gendering mimes?
[01:26:56]  Is there a problem with gender?
[01:26:58]  What does any of this mean?
[01:27:00]  Who's gendering mimes?
[01:27:01]  But to a fucking, to a fucking slobbering dog like this, this is like, I'm being funny.
[01:27:07]  I'm sorry.
[01:27:08]  I just like, this guy is just a stupid fucking, like, this guy is stupid.
[01:27:13]  He is.
[01:27:13]  He's stupid.
[01:27:14]  Yes, he is.
[01:27:15]  But the problem is, is that there's like thousands and thousands and thousands and millions of even dumber fucking people out there.
[01:27:23]  Hearing 20,000 people chant Elon, Elon, Elon at Madison Square Garden like broke my heart.
[01:27:31]  So like for humanity.
[01:27:34]  It was so upsetting to me.
[01:27:36]  I just am like...
[01:27:37]  In a way that, like, a few other things have been.
[01:27:40]  I guess I came out of that being like, I guess I'm racist.
[01:27:44]  Because like whatever race that is doing this, I don't like.
[01:27:48]  Like I'm sexist.
[01:27:50]  Whatever sex is in there, I don't like.
[01:27:52]  Like I am, I am certainly ableist.
[01:27:55]  Whatever disabilities are displaying there, I don't like.
[01:27:57]  Whatever that is, I don't like it.
[01:28:00]  I don't like it.
[01:28:03]  It's crazy.
[01:28:05]  I think the trans stuff I think really drove me over the edge.
[01:28:08]  His whole thing is like, he's got like the trans daughter who seems to be like, he's got like 50 kids, including some we don't know about.
[01:28:17]  But so I'm like, okay, you know, you got a trans daughter and you hate her.
[01:28:23]  You got like 10 other kids, well, like 14 other kids that you presumably like.
[01:28:27]  So I'm like, if you guess if you got a, yeah, I don't know what his deal is.
[01:28:31]  Daughter seems to be like kind of like a Twitter communist sort of person, but for Blue Sky, which I don't even know what is going on on that website.
[01:28:37]  What?
[01:28:37]  Is that the Instagram one?
[01:28:38]  It's no, that's Threads.
[01:28:40]  But I thought it was the same thing.
[01:28:43]  Blue Sky.
[01:28:44]  Blue Sky's like open source.
[01:28:45]  Is it Matador?
[01:28:47]  Mastodon?
[01:28:48]  Oh.
[01:28:49]  Matador is a record label.
[01:28:51]  Blue Sky is which.
[01:28:52]  I don't know what these things are.
[01:28:54]  Shout out to the packing department at Matador.
[01:28:57]  But Blue Sky, I think, was started by Dorsey.
[01:29:01]  I'm going to start Mastodon Records.
[01:29:03]  And it's like decentralized.
[01:29:04]  But I'm like, I don't care.
[01:29:05]  Whatever someone tells me, who cares?
[01:29:07]  I do not care.
[01:29:08]  Oh, it's decentralized.
[01:29:10]  I don't care.
[01:29:11]  So what?
[01:29:11]  I don't care.
[01:29:12]  I'm on social media.
[01:29:13]  Guess what?
[01:29:13]  To make money.
[01:29:15]  You know what?
[01:29:16]  a lot more money at the big bank branch, not at the little decentralized, not at the ATM.
[01:29:29]  Okay, so let's get back to Elon.
[01:29:32]  You mentioned the trans daughter.
[01:29:33]  It's around this time that I don't know how else to call that.
[01:29:37]  His politics take a, what I would call a post-left turn.
[01:29:42]  He moves to Texas, to Tejas.
[01:29:44]  The New York Times, you know, they kind of painted the picture that this move somewhat fueled his conservative politics.
[01:29:52]  I think it's a little like chicken or the egg.
[01:29:54]  It's a little unclear, but he does sort of start hanging out in a new social circle.
[01:29:58]  People like Joe Lawn Stale, who's head of the Cicero Institute, who's a teal guy.
[01:30:02]  He kind of hooks back up with a bunch of teal guys, which is funny because Elon and Teal are not exactly buddy-buddy.
[01:30:07]  We talked about this in our series on him, but I don't think Teal likes Elon at all.
[01:30:13]  Teal is a freak, obviously.
[01:30:16]  But he like does see, he's like a more serious guy.
[01:30:19]  Yes.
[01:30:20]  I think the only thing that I really think they both like is being right-wing and orgies.
[01:30:25]  But they both, yeah, it's true.
[01:30:28]  We don't need to do that.
[01:30:30]  Well, we don't do that.
[01:30:31]  Do we?
[01:30:32]  No, we don't need to talk about that.
[01:30:33]  Thank God.
[01:30:35]  But the, like, I can't imagine a guy like Teal really respects Elon.
[01:30:42]  I think he probably thinks he's a fucking idiot.
[01:30:43]  I'm sure he likes him in some respects, but like, he must think he's like too gauche for him.
[01:30:49]  Like, Teal likes to be like, I'm an intellectual conservative or whatever.
[01:30:52]  He hangs out with me.
[01:30:53]  I'll keep my cards close to the chest.
[01:30:54]  He has his little worm tongue.
[01:30:56]  Like, he has the moldbug worm tongue.
[01:30:58]  Like, yes, Mr. Teal.
[01:31:01]  If I look like Mencius Moldbug, I would honestly, I would probably kill myself.
[01:31:06]  So Elon, so he moves to Austin.
[01:31:09]  A lot of that was, I don't know if it was Austin outside Austin.
[01:31:12]  He moves to Texas.
[01:31:13]  He moves, yeah, outside of Austin.
[01:31:14]  Austin, yeah.
[01:31:15]  He's hanging out with these people.
[01:31:17]  You know, a lot of this was also to avoid California taxes.
[01:31:21]  That's right, baby.
[01:31:22]  It's always all this bullshit.
[01:31:24]  I want to just, you know, this is a, this should be a true and on rule.
[01:31:28]  I'm going to say it's a true and on rule.
[01:31:29]  All this bullshit that people are spouting, it's all like fog of war for just wanting to cut taxes.
[01:31:38]  I will say when it all comes back to fucking taxes.
[01:31:40]  I will say when Trump, because now that I am a Maui small businessman and like, I firmly like, we built this country.
[01:31:49]  Like podcasters, we built that.
[01:31:52]  We built that.
[01:31:53]  Yeah, you didn't build that.
[01:31:54]  We built that.
[01:31:56]  We're bringing that one back.
[01:31:57]  You didn't build that.
[01:31:58]  That was, he was kind of.
[01:31:59]  And you know what?
[01:31:59]  We're bringing back the tan suit.
[01:32:01]  We're going to bring back all of the good jokes for the Obama era.
[01:32:05]  What else happened with Obama?
[01:32:06]  Arugula.
[01:32:07]  I don't even remember Arugula.
[01:32:09]  I don't even remember it either.
[01:32:10]  Got up in ribs.
[01:32:11]  Oh, and Pussu too.
[01:32:13]  But here's the crazy thing is, like, people make fun of that quote, but like, and like, Liz, don't listen to this part or even respond to what I'm saying.
[01:32:20]  That is actually a fucking crazily good combination.
[01:32:23]  Yeah.
[01:32:23]  Like, okay, stop.
[01:32:25]  It is, he's right.
[01:32:26]  But he did, like, Austin has famously has like much, not Austin, Texas, famously has like way lower taxes or like no income tax.
[01:32:35]  Yes.
[01:32:36]  And to the point where Liz was really pushing us to move from there last year.
[01:32:40]  No, but he did move SpaceX, Tesla, the boring company.
[01:32:43]  Everything got moved out of, I know, California.
[01:32:50]  He eventually moves X out of San Francisco, but this is before he acquired Twitter.
[01:32:58]  He, it's like, yeah, this is when he really starts kind of being way more vocal about his things like population change.
[01:33:06]  His whole thing is like we need to have as many babies as possible.
[01:33:10]  And I believe we said on this show that he had a baby compound outside of Austin.
[01:33:18]  You did break that in our series on Elon, which was in, when was that, 2020?
[01:33:23]  It's not easy to find out up there.
[01:33:25]  Isn't it crazy?
[01:33:27]  I tried it too.
[01:33:27]  And you can't just, it'll be like six months ago.
[01:33:29]  And you're like, I don't, that doesn't help me.
[01:33:31]  Just tell me the fucking date that it was posted.
[01:33:33]  We might have.
[01:33:34]  Okay, June 2021.
[01:33:36]  June 2020.
[01:33:37]  Well, I but I don't know if it was, I think it was later.
[01:33:40]  I think it was when we were talking about it.
[01:33:41]  I think it was, I don't know.
[01:33:43]  Anyways, I was reporting a rumor.
[01:33:45]  Turns out the rumor was true.
[01:33:47]  It was confirmed by the New York Crimes.
[01:33:48]  The New York Crimes reported on it.
[01:33:50]  And he has a baby, his little baby area outside of Austin where he's got Grimes.
[01:33:57]  How her star has fallen.
[01:34:00]  But he's got Grimes out there.
[01:34:02]  He's got Siobhan out there and about 10 of his fucked up named kids, Zubio or whatever their fucking names are.
[01:34:10]  Zubio?
[01:34:10]  Zubio, fucking ChatGPT.
[01:34:13]  He's got fucking, he's got Nvidia.
[01:34:17]  He's got X minus two or whatever.
[01:34:19]  He's got fucking, he's got Mr. Algebra.
[01:34:22]  He's got.
[01:34:23]  He's got Gorgonzola.
[01:34:25]  He's got fucking...
[01:34:26]  Who's the guy with Goro from fucking Mortal Kombat?
[01:34:29]  Mortal Kombat!
[01:34:32]  With four arms.
[01:34:33]  Yeah.
[01:34:33]  And he's just got, he's got the little, what's the little squiggly symbol?
[01:34:37]  Kill Dave?
[01:34:38]  He's got that symbol out there.
[01:34:40]  And pie.
[01:34:40]  And pie.
[01:34:42]  We need to call CPS.
[01:34:44]  Has anyone actually called CPS?
[01:34:46]  No.
[01:34:47]  I want those kids.
[01:34:48]  I'll raise your fucking sons as my own, Elon.
[01:34:50]  So we also, obviously, we're on the Elon beat.
[01:34:53]  We talked about his acquisition of Twitter previously.
[01:34:55]  That was almost two years ago, which is crazy.
[01:34:59]  You know, everyone knows after months of trying to undo the deal that he agreed to, he ended up forking over $44 billion.
[01:35:07]  Well, like a bunch of bankers did.
[01:35:09]  It's come out also that they are not getting a great return on their investment.
[01:35:13]  Shocking.
[01:35:15]  Yeah.
[01:35:15]  Also, one of the people who put in money for that was Diddy.
[01:35:20]  Which you really don't hear much about that.
[01:35:24]  As much as they're trying to connect Diddy and Kamala, which has been really funny to watch.
[01:35:28]  Yeah.
[01:35:30]  You don't hear much about Elon and his connection.
[01:35:32]  And you don't hear a ton about the fact that Business Insider reported like four years ago that Elon Musk's brother, Kimball Musk, dated one of the women from one of those apartments that Epstein kept trafficked women in in Manhattan.
[01:35:45]  Now, this is like all these people talk about release the client list.
[01:35:49]  We've talked about this on Deaths Around the Corner last week, but release the client list, release the client list.

=== Elon's Radicalized Ambitions (15:46) ===

[01:35:54]  I'm sorry.
[01:35:55]  Well, there's no client list.
[01:35:56]  But if there was a client list, I think your brother, Kimball Musk, might be on it.
[01:36:03]  So we were talking about this because we were talking about Elon's relationship, you know, on and off relationship with Donald Trump and him purchasing Twitter.
[01:36:15]  I mean, his like first big thing is he tries to, he just like unbans.
[01:36:19]  Remember when Trump was banned?
[01:36:22]  He unbans at real Donald Trump and starts just like posting like pathetic memes at him, trying to get him to post on Twitter.
[01:36:31]  And, you know, at this time, like Trump doesn't have like nice things to say about Elon.
[01:36:36]  Like he came out and he said that like, you know, it came out in an interview that Musk said he like never had never voted for a Republican before.
[01:36:45]  But Trump comes out and is like, oh, well, he told me he voted for me.
[01:36:48]  So I guess he's just a fucking liar.
[01:36:50]  And like stuff between them was getting like pretty publicly nasty in as late as like 2022.
[01:36:56]  There was a post from, or excuse me, a truth from at RealDonald Trump on Truth Social, which was so perfect.
[01:37:09]  And can you read it, Brace?
[01:37:11]  When Elon Musk, I'm not going to do Trump voice.
[01:37:13]  No.
[01:37:14]  When Elon Musk came to the White House asking me for help on all of his many subsidized projects, whether it's electric cars that don't drive long enough, true, driverless cars that crash, true, or rocket ships to nowhere, triple true, without which subsidies he'd be worthless, quadruple true, and telling me how he was a big Trump fan and Republican, I could have said, drop to your knees and beg, and he would have done it.
[01:37:39]  I got to tell you, I'm sorry.
[01:37:40]  I actually got to get me to vote for Trump.
[01:37:44]  I felt really, I felt like I was being too mean earlier when I was like, I would kill myself.
[01:37:48]  I'd look like Mencha's Mulbug.
[01:37:50]  I really would, I think, really seriously start cutting in the style of like a fucking, like Emo, 14 year old, if this tweet was about.
[01:37:59]  If the president tweeted this shit at you, drop to your knees and beg, and you would have done it, and he would have done it.
[01:38:06]  And the thing is, he would have done it.
[01:38:08]  I know Trump is always right.
[01:38:09]  I mean not really, but you know what I mean.
[01:38:12]  So true, so true Liz, the thing you just said, Trump is always right, but people know what I mean.
[01:38:19]  Yeah it's, I was.
[01:38:20]  You know I was trying to look for like funny tweets from Elon Musk to real Donald Trump.
[01:38:25]  Um, but uh, they're all just like fucking slobbed as knob from like the past couple months.
[01:38:32]  It's so bad there.
[01:38:33]  You know, like I mentioned at the beginning, Elon had thrown his support behind Desantis, which is so funny.
[01:38:39]  There was like a pretty weak attempt around this time with us at a twitter space with David Sacks.
[01:38:43]  Do you remember that so funny where, like they couldn't, it was, it didn't like theyng.
[01:38:47]  Yeah, it didn't work that because that was like the first time.
[01:38:49]  Everyone was like hello hello, it's all breaking and everyone's like Elon doesn't know how to run a fanic.
[01:38:54]  Is David Sacks, right.
[01:38:56]  So this is my question now, can we talk about the race science question, yeah?
[01:39:00]  So yeah, we're talking about David Sacks, Peter Teal, Elon Musk, three high profile South Africans.
[01:39:08]  Ye, I have a question, which is that I feel like they have a theory of politics that's all very similar uh-huh, and i'm curious if you think it like stems from being South African.
[01:39:25]  Well, i'm like trying to figure out and I don't mean like racist, like i'm not talking about just that.
[01:39:28]  I mean I think that's true, but like I don't think that's not what i'm really mean yeah yeah yeah, but like an idea about like seizing power and and how to govern that.
[01:39:38]  I wonder if it's informed by their like, by South African heritage.
[01:39:44]  Well, i'm gonna say I don't think this is race science.
[01:39:46]  Unfortunately, I know i'm really looking forward to no no no, I was being cheeky about that, which I shouldn't, but I was being sorts of theories, like it's not actual racism, but but I I, I one can't imagine.
[01:39:59]  I mean, Elon does really remember he was like all up about the farmers.
[01:40:02]  Remember the the, the white farmers in South Africa?
[01:40:05]  It was being slaughtered.
[01:40:07]  No, that's not how they say, slaughtered, slaughtered.
[01:40:09]  They were being slaughtered um, and like Elon would like post, like whatever Lauren Southern bullshit.
[01:40:16]  I think that their whole thing is like, if these, like if these animals get in charge, like we'll have like an a and c style grad.
[01:40:24]  The reality is like the South Average government is fucking crazy corrupt and they need a.
[01:40:29]  They certainly don't need a guy like David Sacks.
[01:40:31]  They need a guy like Malema in there.
[01:40:35]  Um, this is the number one eff supporting white podcast in the world.
[01:40:40]  I like the guy.
[01:40:41]  I don't know what to tell you.
[01:40:42]  I like him um, but uh, I think that they're like we need to, like we need a strong right-wing hand in there so that, like these fucking crazy lefties don't get in there and like turn this into South Africa yeah, but the thing is like there's only one solution to South Africa.
[01:40:58]  And he wears a red damn red beret.
[01:41:05]  So DeSantis obviously crashes and fucking burns like a loser.
[01:41:11]  What a loser Desantis is, I know.
[01:41:14]  God bless him.
[01:41:15]  You know what's even the best is that, like everyone has like completely washed their hands of him, like they've been like oh, I never supported.
[01:41:23]  Oh yeah bitch, I remember all of you supportive, fucking thigh high white boots waddling around, fucking.
[01:41:33]  You made Joe Biden, look cool.
[01:41:35]  Yeah, you know how hard that is to do, my god.
[01:41:40]  The other thing is, Elon also really gets involved in SF politics.
[01:41:43]  San Francisco yeah yeah yeah, yeah.
[01:41:46]  He pledged 100 000 to the DUMP DEAN PACK by GROW SF, which is run by Steven Bus, who blocked me after he claimed I threatened him and has asked Dean Preston to disavow Truanon.
[01:42:02]  I'm also blocked by him.
[01:42:04]  Um, he's a, he's a big blocker because he can't handle the heat, although one day brother, you will get burned.
[01:42:10]  But I mean that in like an allegorical way, but no one gives a fuck about that guy.
[01:42:14]  I mean metaphorical way, metaphorical.
[01:42:17]  No, there could be an allegory in there, but I do mean it out a metaphorical way.
[01:42:21]  And Gary Tan, who is, by the way you guys hear about this Gary Tan is like five foot, like he is like you didn't hear about this Bilbo style.
[01:42:31]  Is that new news?
[01:42:33]  I didn't know this and I didn't want to assume it, but he is, unfortunately, Gary Tan's height is like It's tough.
[01:42:42]  And I understand where a lot of his shit is coming from, too.
[01:42:45]  These guys are pathetic San Francisco tech freaks.
[01:42:51]  They are freaks.
[01:42:52]  But Gary Tan runs Y Combinator.
[01:42:54]  YC.
[01:42:55]  YC.
[01:42:56]  And Steven Buss is just like a, he's just like a guys like Gary Tan keep around because like you're a loser who will never make it in business, but like you can be like my one of my lieutenants or whatever.
[01:43:09]  And so Elon Musk is like, he hates Dean Preston, who we have no involvement with.
[01:43:16]  I've never met in my life.
[01:43:17]  He hates Dean Preston.
[01:43:18]  He's like a San Francisco, like a socialist city counselor, basically.
[01:43:23]  It's Board of Supervisors.
[01:43:25]  And he's like, Dean Preston needs to be locked up.
[01:43:28]  Like he said multiple times that we need to imprison Dean Preston.
[01:43:32]  He is like pledging all this money to these grow SF people, these fucking YIMBY fucking pieces of shit, which that, woof.
[01:43:40]  And so he's like getting fully like, he's like a red-pilled, like America's being taken over by socialists kind of thing.
[01:43:48]  So he launches to combat that something that only Elon could name, the America Pact.
[01:43:55]  Yeah.
[01:43:56]  So basically Trump, Elon was staying on the sidelines, he said, in this election, until Trump, the assassination attempt.
[01:44:05]  And then immediately Elon takes to X and is like, I am endorsing Donald J. Trump for president.
[01:44:14]  And then in July, later in July, he announces America Pact.
[01:44:18]  This is a political action committee.
[01:44:20]  He and a ton of super wealthy tech guys are backing just to support Trump's campaign.
[01:44:26]  So for the first three months of this thing, which also he kicked off the guy who had the at America handle and just like took it from it.
[01:44:35]  Yes, he did.
[01:44:37]  And so it's just Elon at the at America on X.
[01:44:42]  But for the first three months, Elon was the only donor.
[01:44:44]  He was thrown in about $75 million.
[01:44:47]  He told Jordan Peterson that he was going to give $45 million a month until the election.
[01:44:50]  And then when people asked him about that, he was like, no, I never said that.
[01:44:54]  And they're like, no, but you said that to Jordan Peterson.
[01:44:56]  He's like, I didn't say that.
[01:44:57]  He's on a classic Elon.
[01:44:59]  He's on drugs.
[01:45:00]  Yes, he is.
[01:45:00]  So you might not remember.
[01:45:03]  As of recording, which today is Tuesday, October 29th, he has put in just over $118 million, which is now, he's now the second largest individual donor to Trump.
[01:45:14]  I can't remember the top guy.
[01:45:15]  I think he's a Mellon from the Melon.
[01:45:17]  I think it's Timothy Mellon.
[01:45:18]  I was looking at this guy.
[01:45:19]  I'm like, does this guy even know what he's donating to?
[01:45:21]  Timothy Mellon?
[01:45:22]  He's so old.
[01:45:25]  I mean, I'm sure.
[01:45:26]  Obviously, he's a right-wing guy.
[01:45:27]  He's done any right-wing stuff or whatever.
[01:45:29]  But I'm like, at this point, I'm like, is he like, is somebody like, yes, we'll just click the red button right there?
[01:45:34]  Like, go ahead.
[01:45:35]  He's just doing it all through the enlarge type.
[01:45:39]  The text message, direct text message.
[01:45:42]  If your text, I know, did you see that article?
[01:45:45]  I just sent that to you.
[01:45:46]  Oh my god, it was heartbreaking.
[01:45:47]  It was heartbreaking.
[01:45:49]  We should tell them what we're talking about.
[01:45:50]  Okay, yeah.
[01:45:50]  So it was like an article basically about people who have dementia being taken advantage of because they weren't, they didn't understand who they were texting when they're getting all of these campaign contribution texts that are like, need to donate now, or Nancy Pelosi is going to fucking stab me in the middle.
[01:46:05]  Or like Donald Trump wants you on his advisory council or whatever.
[01:46:09]  They're friends.
[01:46:10]  Yeah.
[01:46:10]  And it's, yeah.
[01:46:11]  And like some guy gave away his entire retirement, like $250,000.
[01:46:15]  If you have to put the type on your phone to an enlarged font or whatever, you know what I'm saying?
[01:46:21]  Like if you have to like magnify the type in your phone, you just shouldn't be allowed to donate to campaigns.
[01:46:26]  Yeah.
[01:46:27]  And you should like automatically have to text stop to everyone.
[01:46:30]  And so that if it's a bot, they literally cannot talk back to you.
[01:46:33]  But if it's a real person, they'll be like, wait, don't worry, I'm not a bot.
[01:46:36]  Your phone should automatically reply stop to every single text as a safeguard.
[01:46:43]  So he has put in a lot, a lot, a lot of money.
[01:46:48]  I want to just like, I said this, I know we're going long, I said this at the top, but I just, I want to like, you know, make a point of saying it again is that Elon is an I hate saying it, an incredibly important person nationally, like to the federal government.
[01:47:07]  Yeah.
[01:47:07]  And this sucks.
[01:47:09]  There's about like 15 billion in federal contracts between Tesla and SpaceX.
[01:47:14]  Elon clearly sees Trump as money spigot.
[01:47:17]  There's obviously other ideological stuff in here.
[01:47:19]  I do think that Elon fancies himself a like master puppeteer of the universe.
[01:47:23]  I definitely think so, yeah.
[01:47:25]  But strictly speaking about money stuff, like I think SpaceX is kind of the template where you see kind of how they can privatize sections, like sectors of the government and outsource everything to these kind of entrepreneurs.
[01:47:43]  But SpaceX is also like very integral to the U.S. military, right?
[01:47:48]  And to the objectives of the U.S. military, whether we're talking about like satellites, network satellites, or the Falcon rockets or like whatever.
[01:47:56]  So it's not just that Elon is this like annoying person that we have to deal with up until this campaign and then maybe he's going to go away.
[01:48:02]  Like he is unfortunately until I'm not going to finish what I was about to say because I don't want to, I shouldn't say it.
[01:48:11]  Listen, I get it.
[01:48:12]  I'm picking up what you're putting down there, Scott.
[01:48:15]  But he is unfortunately incredibly enmeshed with the stated objectives of the government of the United States.
[01:48:24]  And that is like something that we all have to like reckon and deal with and informs why he is attempting to socially engineer or like fully engineer the outcome of this election as hard as he is or explain some of it because I do think like what we talked about is that he is fully radicalized and has the full-on anti-woke mind virus.
[01:48:51]  And so I do think it is a little bit different than just like ingratiating yourself to protect the purse like and protect the contracts.
[01:48:58]  But I just want to call that out because it is a like really, really important facet of all of this.
[01:49:05]  I think one of the things that is really notable about Elon as compared to somebody like say Tucker Carlson, right?
[01:49:10]  Where there's a degree of cynicism that you understand is baked in there.
[01:49:13]  Yeah.
[01:49:13]  Like Tucker has, you know, he's a bit of a chameleon.
[01:49:17]  You can see like he does these pretty obvious like, you know, TV guy manipulation tactics, whatever, whatever, whatever.
[01:49:23]  But you kind of take it with like how it comes.
[01:49:25]  Like it doesn't, it's not very surprising.
[01:49:26]  It's not even very offensive because it's par for the course of like anybody at that stature, right?
[01:49:30]  He's just kind of better at it.
[01:49:32]  Elon, I think, genuinely believes that he is a one of the major, if not the major protagonists in a civilizational struggle.
[01:49:41]  Yes.
[01:49:42]  And the civilizational struggle is Elon Musk and like whatever the fucking blob guy who does EAC hashtag is, which boy, what a fall off that was.
[01:49:53]  Sure, that guy's company is going to launch any day now.
[01:49:57]  And then like the teeming hordes of the third world and the woke allies of the third world here who are anti-civilizational.
[01:50:07]  And so it's a, it's a, I think he genuinely really does believe this.
[01:50:11]  Like I take Elon at face value with a lot of what he says because I think he believes in what he's saying, like in terms of like his political ideas and stuff.
[01:50:20]  I think he's somebody who is like really, and it's interesting because like, you know, on some level, if you're somebody like him, I get that, right?
[01:50:29]  Like liberalism has basically the slow march of progress has slowed to a trickle, right?
[01:50:35]  There is nothing coming from liberalism.
[01:50:37]  Like there are no innovations.
[01:50:38]  There's no like, things are just going to get like, their new thing is just, we're doing green now.
[01:50:45]  So like you're going to have the same thing you have now, but worse and green.
[01:50:50]  Well, it's funny because the two parties agree on so much.
[01:50:53]  I think we're going to talk more about this in the next episode.
[01:50:56]  This is kind of a part one part of part two of this, but we're not going to put in the titles.
[01:51:01]  No, but of what, you know, these are like final election episodes, right?
[01:51:06]  And, you know, we'll probably talk more at length about the Democrats in the next episode since we spent so much time on the on the Republicans this one.
[01:51:15]  But part of the problem is that they kind of agree on so much of the objectives of the state as it's kind of looking at the trouble in China, the big trouble in little China.
[01:51:25]  Yeah.
[01:51:26]  And, you know, what seems to be, by all accounts, a very slowing, sluggish, and possibly careening towards not great stuff, economy, global economy, American economy, et cetera.

=== America PAC Reset (11:16) ===

[01:51:41]  And that's not even getting into all the geopolitical stuff, right?
[01:51:44]  Yeah.
[01:51:45]  I mean, I just like for somebody like Elon, who like views himself as this like man of like this Randian hero, I can, I get why he's doing this, right?
[01:51:55]  Like I understand why he's doing this and he sees that he's pursuing the best opportunities to like achieve this heroism that I think he really truly does believe only he is capable of.
[01:52:08]  I will say one thing he's not capable of is giving a speech in front of American flag.
[01:52:12]  I just want to play you guys a little snippet of something.
[01:52:14]  I watched one of his America PACs.
[01:52:17]  So he's going around, he's going around mostly Pennsylvania and he's giving these speeches.
[01:52:21]  And this is part of his America PAC deal.
[01:52:23]  And he's like, he's giving these speeches.
[01:52:25]  He's doing these Q ⁇ As.
[01:52:27]  And if this was my child, I would ask the principal to hold him back.
[01:52:32]  I'm like, he is going to be graduating high school at 25 because this is unacceptable.
[01:52:37]  And I think we just need to be, you know, if, you know, please, Lord, drop wins.
[01:52:48]  And the Department of Government Efficiency happens, we're going to be very open and transparent and be very clear about this is what we're doing.
[01:52:56]  Here are the issues.
[01:52:59]  This is the math for what's being spent and what, you know, and we're going to make the spending lower.
[01:53:07]  And if somebody's got a better idea for how to make the spending lower, tell us.
[01:53:11]  But if we don't, we're going to bankrupt the country.
[01:53:14]  And so we've got to do something.
[01:53:16]  And it's got to be some pretty big moves.
[01:53:19]  The words of somebody whose mind moves so fast that his speech just cannot keep up with it.
[01:53:27]  And so he's giving all of these speeches to his fandom.
[01:53:34]  They're doing fan cams of this fucking guy.
[01:53:36]  But one of the big, like notable newsworthy things is that, A, they've basically taken over the ground game for the Trump campaign in like the battleground stage, which I think is really notable.
[01:53:48]  Like America PAC is integrated into the right-wing canvassing apparatus now.
[01:53:53]  The one funny thing, and there's been a couple articles that came out about this in the past day or so.
[01:54:01]  So Elon's America PAC, like canvassing thing, they had to have this, the reality is like with a lot of canvassers, they're hired by campaigns and they have like, they know what they're doing.
[01:54:11]  They have a lot of very experienced people in them.
[01:54:13]  And like, obviously, you know, people lie and stuff, but like they have an apparatus and like logistics to like do these things.
[01:54:20]  They know what they're doing.
[01:54:21]  America Pack has none of that.
[01:54:23]  And so there's like some nervousness because they've essentially started this operation from scratch, which of course, the legend of Elon is he's so expert at this.
[01:54:32]  Who knows?
[01:54:33]  Maybe he is.
[01:54:33]  Because he's an expert at everything.
[01:54:35]  Expert at everything.
[01:54:36]  He's the Randian hero.
[01:54:38]  But I guess they use this like app where you can like lie and say that you've hit doors where you haven't hit.
[01:54:44]  And like a quarter, there was some documents that got leaked, I think, to like ABC, like a quarter of the responses, like the company is flagged as being like, this is fraudulent.
[01:54:55]  Like this person didn't actually go to this door.
[01:54:57]  So who the fuck knows what's going on with that?
[01:55:00]  But I mean, because of like the way that the political system here is structured, Elon is not part of the Trump campaign officially.
[01:55:07]  Right.
[01:55:08]  However, he is privately funding essentially the Trump campaign's outreach and like all their door knocking operations in all these different states.
[01:55:19]  I mean, Kamala has like a way bigger one.
[01:55:23]  And I think the Democrats generally rely more on door knocking.
[01:55:26]  America PAC has just relied on ads calling Kamala Harris a C word?
[01:55:33]  C-word.
[01:55:33]  Yeah.
[01:55:35]  That's their term.
[01:55:37]  That's a communist, communist Harris.
[01:55:40]  But the other big thing is that he's been doing a million dollar a day giveaway.
[01:55:44]  Yeah.
[01:55:44]  We don't have to go into the weeds about this, but it just is like classic Elon, which is don't ask for permission.
[01:55:53]  Ask for forgiveness.
[01:55:54]  Yeah.
[01:55:55]  Don't ask for forgiveness.
[01:55:55]  And then, no, don't ask for that.
[01:55:57]  Don't even ask for forgiveness.
[01:55:58]  Get really mad at anybody who's like, what do you mean?
[01:55:59]  And then gaslight people and say, I'm just doing something else.
[01:56:03]  Yeah.
[01:56:04]  He's been giving away or said he was giving away, he stopped recently, a million dollars in a lottery style thing to people who sign a petition saying that they support the First and the Second Amendment, but only to registered voters in swing states.
[01:56:24]  A bunch of people immediately flagged this as being potentially against the law.
[01:56:32]  Yeah, it seems illegal.
[01:56:34]  Well, DOJ thought so, being one of the, they were like, hey, we think this is, you know, breaking election law.
[01:56:40]  They send them a memo.
[01:56:41]  So Elon pauses it for like one day.
[01:56:46]  Then what was so funny is like in response, they changed the, they didn't even, they changed the language on their website to say that these people are actually being paid for a job that it's not a lottery.
[01:57:00]  They're like, no, this is going to be, you're selected to earn a million dollars as a spokesperson for America PAC as a way to kind of get around this idea that they're awarding money to random people in a lottery.
[01:57:12]  And so they post these videos of like past winners talking about how they love Trump being like, see, look.
[01:57:16]  But then they didn't actually change the legal language in the, you know, in the like tiny little fine print on the site.
[01:57:24]  Again, this is so Elon, like not actually paying attention to anything.
[01:57:27]  Probably didn't even consult real lawyers.
[01:57:29]  Probably doesn't even have a fucking lawyer, like at how, at all his companies, how all of his lawyers quit for all of these same reasons.
[01:57:35]  Anyway.
[01:57:37]  So the official terms still say that you're eligible for a $1 million prize as long as you're eligible, as long as you're a registered voter in Arizona, Michigan, Georgia, Nevada, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, or Wisconsin.
[01:57:47]  And so the Philly DA, Larry Krasner, announced he was suing Elon and America PAC, saying that they're not for election fraud smartly, but saying that they're violating lottery and consumer protection laws.
[01:58:00]  And so they've completely shut the whole thing down.
[01:58:02]  And this, you know, I only say this because it's so fucking classic, Elon.
[01:58:08]  And watching this whole thing, you know, I know we have to wrap up.
[01:58:12]  I just want to, you know, that clip you played, you know, at Madison Square Garden, he said triumphantly that he was going to cut $2 trillion from the budget.
[01:58:22]  Now, usually when people say that, and I saw some people trying to defend it in this way online, usually, you know, you're thinking of a congressional budget bill.
[01:58:30]  And so that would be over 10 years.
[01:58:33]  That's not what Elon's talking about.
[01:58:35]  No, not at all.
[01:58:35]  And it was clear from, you know, in the question, it was like, how are you going to cut, how much are you going to cut from $6 trillion?
[01:58:43]  And they were referring to how much the federal government spent in the last fiscal year, which is just over $6 trillion.
[01:58:51]  And he said $2 trillion, which is a significant amount of money.
[01:58:58]  And no one has any idea where any of that is going to come from.
[01:59:03]  There's ideas.
[01:59:04]  But this idea that they're just going to, he's going to like reclass, I mean, one of the ideas is reclassifying federal employees.
[01:59:11]  We don't have to get into all of this into the weeds.
[01:59:12]  But my point being that he has come out elsewhere and said basically that, yeah, cutting the budget, slashing the budget, that significantly would have massive economic consequences.
[01:59:27]  Trump tariffs would have massive inflationary consequences.
[01:59:32]  He's acknowledged all of this and he has said, but that is actual, that's a sacrifice that we need to make in order to get the economy back on track.
[01:59:45]  Setting aside that he would be getting a like $1.5 million tax cut or whatever he would be getting by slashing all this stuff, right?
[01:59:54]  Like he's saying that, yes, all of these things we want to do will probably lead to a depression, but then we will come back stronger than before.
[02:00:03]  And my question is, is what he's asking for, is he calling for a great reset?
[02:00:09]  I think so.
[02:00:11]  I think he's saying that we need to reset everything.
[02:00:14]  We need to cut everything out.
[02:00:15]  We need to like, you know, you might own nothing, but you will be happy.
[02:00:21]  And that's the message.
[02:00:33]  God!
[02:00:35]  It's crazy that in one week from now, Elon Musk might be an important part of the U.S.
[02:00:41]  I mean, I guess it would be like something.
[02:00:42]  He basically already is.
[02:00:43]  I mean, the thing is, this thing is not.
[02:00:47]  We've been saying this for a long time.
[02:00:48]  This thing is not going to be over on Tuesday.
[02:00:50]  I don't even know if it's going to be over on Wednesday because there are immediately going to be injunctions filed in multiple states.
[02:00:59]  There are probably legal teams already on the ground setting up shop in Hiltons across this great nation.
[02:01:06]  Yep.
[02:01:09]  You know, I don't think, I just, I don't think that either side is going to accept the election results, whatever, whatever comes.
[02:01:17]  And we'll talk about it more.
[02:01:18]  We'll talk about it more.
[02:01:19]  Yeah, I will say it is so funny that like our like actual voting system in the U.S. actually is dog shit.
[02:01:27]  Like it is crazy that like the results take so long to get in.
[02:01:30]  And like it's not just because like whatever excuse they give.
[02:01:34]  Like yeah, it is fucking, it is absurd.
[02:01:39]  This country just runs like shit.
[02:01:41]  Yeah, we got to cut everything.
[02:01:42]  Yeah, we got to cut it.
[02:01:42]  We need a department of government efficiency.
[02:01:45]  I just want to live in a world where like that's just not allowed.
[02:01:48]  You can't be like doji.
[02:01:50]  Like you can't say that.
[02:01:51]  Or someone like a guy in like a full like gimp suit comes out and beats you with a truncheon.
[02:01:57]  I think that we should.
[02:01:57]  We should make you some raffles.
[02:01:59]  We should ban like funny acronyms.
[02:02:05]  Yeah.
[02:02:06]  I just think that like we don't need to do that anymore.
[02:02:08]  Like as a society, we need to choose the way forward, which is no more funny acronyms.
[02:02:13]  We don't need to do it.
[02:02:14]  Yeah.
[02:02:14]  We don't need to do it.
[02:02:15]  No one thinks it's clever.
[02:02:16]  Every time Congress does it, I'm like, oh, great.
[02:02:19]  Double man.
[02:02:20]  You're so fucking.
[02:02:21]  It's a girl act.
[02:02:22]  Somebody thinks it's clever, but it's not.
[02:02:23]  No one.
[02:02:23]  It's not.
[02:02:24]  It's not.
[02:02:25]  I'm sick of it.
[02:02:25]  It's stupid.
[02:02:26]  Elon is annoying.
[02:02:27]  He loves it.
[02:02:28]  Therefore, I hate it.
[02:02:30]  I don't want it.
[02:02:31]  I hate it.
[02:02:31]  I hate doge.
[02:02:33]  No doge in the White House.
[02:02:34]  I will say, I guess I'm saying Wilson, but I'll never stop saying it.
[02:02:38]  You know what?
[02:02:39]  I just can't stop being me.
[02:02:42]  I hate Elon in a way that almost makes me ashamed.
[02:02:47]  I feel like a pink pussy hat motherfucker.
[02:02:50]  I just don't like.
[02:02:51]  And it's obviously there's like the whatever political consideration, whatever, but like really, I just find him distasteful as a person.

=== Talk Election Blues (01:13) ===

[02:02:58]  Like this is what I'm saying earlier.
[02:02:59]  Like I'm racist against whatever this is.
[02:03:01]  Like that's the only like feeling I can describe it with.
[02:03:06]  Like I just don't like it.
[02:03:07]  And I don't like it from like a really like a place of like of inner like suppressed brutality within me.
[02:03:15]  And like, it's just, I just don't, I don't like it.
[02:03:18]  I just want to live in a world where things are normal.
[02:03:20]  That's really all it is.
[02:03:21]  And like, that is why I have the political beliefs I have because I do think they just make the most sense.
[02:03:26]  And like to actually get us to the future.
[02:03:28]  I don't, like, these people are fucking clowns.
[02:03:30]  They are dogs.
[02:03:31]  And like, they should be like dogs eating out of fucking bowls while we pet their heads and sometimes have sex with them.
[02:03:39]  All right, everyone.
[02:03:40]  Tune in next time.
[02:03:41]  We'll talk more about the election.
[02:03:42]  I'm Liz.
[02:03:43]  My name is Bryce.
[02:03:44]  We are, of course, joined by producer Young Chomsky.
[02:03:47]  And this has been Druinon.
[02:03:49]  We'll see you next time.
[02:03:50]  Bye-bye.
[02:04:05]  Jefferson Jeff Jack, Jeffrey Lexter.
[02:04:09]  Come out.
[02:04:10]  Come out.