True Anon Truth Feed - Episode 391: Do Not Come
Aired: 2024-07-08
Duration: 01:23:06


=== Logan's Run References (03:07) ===

[00:00:00]  By the way, I'm proud to be, as I said, the first vice president, first black woman, serving with a black president.
[00:00:08]  Proud to the first black woman in the Supreme Court.
[00:00:12]  There's just so much that we can do because together we, there's nothing.
[00:00:16]  Look, this is the United States of America.
[00:00:41]  Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Logan's Run, the podcast about eternal youth.
[00:00:47]  My name is Brace.
[00:00:48]  My name is Liz, and because this is about eternal youth, Joe Biden, please don't listen.
[00:00:54]  In case you get triggered, we are also joined, of course, by producer Jank Chomsky.
[00:00:59]  And, well, you already said this is Tronan.
[00:01:02]  Hello.
[00:01:02]  Hello.
[00:01:03]  Wait, we didn't say.
[00:01:04]  Did we say?
[00:01:04]  No, but I said I don't know what I'm going with that, you know.
[00:01:10]  Are you a big Logan's Run guy?
[00:01:11]  I saw it once.
[00:01:12]  It feels like one of those things that has too much cultural influence for how actually good it was, which I don't remember it being that good at all.
[00:01:21]  It was fine.
[00:01:22]  But it's like Zardas.
[00:01:24]  You know what I mean?
[00:01:24]  Like, Zardas is like a good movie to watch, but I'm not going to think about Zardas after this.
[00:01:29]  Zardas is like Sean Connery is like in a loincloth, and then there's like a, the, the, there's a skull, and the gun is good, the penis is bad.
[00:01:38]  And then, but it really, once he stops being a barbarian, all right, he is a barbarian the entire movie.
[00:01:43]  But once he enters like the like Eden kind of like nice society place, it's not as, it's not as East Meets West as you want.
[00:01:53]  The only thing I look for in a film is East Meets West.
[00:01:58]  Did you have a nice fourth?
[00:02:00]  Yes.
[00:02:01]  I went to the beach and hung out with Jan Chomsky and a bunch of people.
[00:02:10]  And then I sort of strolled the boardwalk with some of my teenage hoodlum friends.
[00:02:16]  They are no longer teenagers.
[00:02:18]  Did you walk like Lennon?
[00:02:19]  Did you do the John Lennon walk?
[00:02:21]  Oh, John Lennon.
[00:02:22]  Yeah.
[00:02:22]  No, I wheeled sort of like Lennon post-stroke.
[00:02:24]  I was like this, like looking up and twitching a lot.
[00:02:27]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:02:28]  No, I was with a bunch of the fellas back from the bay.
[00:02:31]  We were all walking around.
[00:02:33]  And I met Curtis Tsliwa.
[00:02:37]  Now, who is that?
[00:02:38]  Curtis Sliwa is the founder of the Guardian Angels, which is a biker gang.
[00:02:47]  They, I wish, but I would say they're more like a group of gentlemen who, you know, the Jewish police Shamrim?
[00:02:56]  Yes.
[00:02:56]  Yeah.
[00:02:57]  They're like that, but in, but like, they're like not the real cops, but they kind of act like they're the police.
[00:03:03]  They're like, have you seen the Warriors?
[00:03:04]  Of course.
[00:03:05]  They're like a gang from the Warriors, kind of.

=== Adams' Studio Apartment Cats (04:12) ===

[00:03:07]  But like not cool.
[00:03:08]  But not cool.
[00:03:09]  Yeah.
[00:03:10]  And they have red berets and they like, they sort of are supposed to crack down on crime.
[00:03:17]  And they had some pretty famous.
[00:03:18]  They started, I think, in the 1970s, and they had some pretty like famous incidents when they started that were just complete lies.
[00:03:23]  Like one of them shot.
[00:03:24]  They just made all this stuff up, got a bunch of publicity.
[00:03:27]  And now they sort of exist to like perpetuate Curtis Lewis's perpetual Republican campaign for New York City mayor.
[00:03:35]  Oh, that's fun.
[00:03:37]  And so we should get in a debate with Eric Adams.
[00:03:40]  Curtis versus Adams.
[00:03:42]  That would be fun.
[00:03:43]  I think that if I think Adams needs a little hat.
[00:03:47]  Yeah, the Red Beret is really hard to beat.
[00:03:49]  He would need a little hat to compete a little bit.
[00:03:51]  It was funny because Curtis was surrounded.
[00:03:54]  He's maybe like 6'1", and he was surrounded with like a lot of...
[00:03:59]  And he's not like a bodybuilder or anything, but he's in relatively good shape for his age.
[00:04:04]  I think he's in his middle 60s, maybe.
[00:04:06]  And he's, you know, he's pretty, there's some vitality to him.
[00:04:11]  But he was surrounded by like some of the most painful looking individuals I've ever seen.
[00:04:18]  Like people who were like, they were dressed, it was too hot out.
[00:04:20]  They were not in very like their bodies didn't seem like they maybe they had a lot of sweat regulation going on.
[00:04:25]  They were wearing the hats.
[00:04:26]  One guy had like they were all kind of dressed like in another life many of these men perhaps would be tweakers.
[00:04:34]  But he possibly in this life as well.
[00:04:36]  I would say there's strong possibility of some crossover.
[00:04:40]  The one of the main things I wanted to ask him about and I did ask him about was the fact that he lives in a studio apartment with his wife and guess how many cats 12.
[00:04:53]  Honey, how wrong you are.
[00:04:56]  18.
[00:04:57]  I wasn't that wrong.
[00:04:58]  It wasn't like I said three.
[00:05:00]  You got half.
[00:05:01]  I was close.
[00:05:03]  I was saying, clearly by saying 12, I'm going the over.
[00:05:07]  But in fact, you went under.
[00:05:09]  18 cats.
[00:05:10]  That's a lot of cats.
[00:05:11]  It's a lot of cats.
[00:05:14]  I just imagine that.
[00:05:15]  Yeah.
[00:05:16]  In a studio apartment.
[00:05:17]  How many times a day would you have to change the litter?
[00:05:19]  I think at that point you're not, which is Charles Minga style cats.
[00:05:23]  Maybe he has a situation like rooftop pigeons, but it's with cats.
[00:05:27]  That's not or like maybe it's like under the floorboards they have their own world that they live in.
[00:05:31]  That's cute for them.
[00:05:32]  Yeah.
[00:05:32]  And then they elect a little mayor.
[00:05:34]  A little cat, Eric Adams.
[00:05:36]  I asked and I was like... Cutting down on...
[00:05:37]  They have their own little rat czar.
[00:05:39]  Exactly.
[00:05:39]  They do.
[00:05:40]  He's got his own homegrown solution.
[00:05:42]  Yeah.
[00:05:42]  And, you know, I asked him, I was like, Curtis.
[00:05:46]  You know, because he's there.
[00:05:46]  He's like flirting with all these like mid-50s, like, you know, Coney Island chicks.
[00:05:52]  And I was like, man, I just got to ask.
[00:05:56]  Like, what's it like living with 18 cats in a studio apartment?
[00:05:59]  I'm genuinely curious.
[00:06:01]  And he's like, he really dodged the question, which was not.
[00:06:04]  No, I don't think he was expecting that one.
[00:06:05]  Well, I hate him with, no, he was because he had a pre-prepared answer.
[00:06:09]  But I don't think he was expecting my specific question, which had to do with sense of smell.
[00:06:15]  That's got it.
[00:06:16]  It's got to reach.
[00:06:16]  But so what did he say?
[00:06:17]  He said, I live with 18 cats and not 19 because Mark Twain lived with 19 cats and he was America's greatest writer and he wasn't crazy.
[00:06:28]  And so it was kind of a wandering answer like that.
[00:06:30]  And so if Mark Twain had 19 cats and he wasn't crazy, but I'm like, I know Mark Twain had money problems, but like he probably lived in a bigger apartment than you, dude.
[00:06:38]  Like he might have even lived in a house.
[00:06:40]  Yeah.
[00:06:41]  That's like, what does that have to do with anything?
[00:06:44]  I don't know.
[00:06:44]  I hit him with like, I'm like, that's crazy.
[00:06:47]  I was like, that's crazy.
[00:06:48]  Yeah.
[00:06:48]  What does Mark Twain have to do with?
[00:06:50]  That's a terrible answer.
[00:06:52]  But that's interesting that that was his.
[00:06:53]  I do appreciate him not throwing his wife under the bus, though, which is cool.
[00:06:57]  Because obviously the answer is, well, my wife really likes cats.
[00:07:00]  His wife, I do believe, is an East Village artist lady.
[00:07:03]  And by not saying that, he is, you know, showing to be a great, a great, you know.
[00:07:12]  Yeah.
[00:07:13]  Well, I also, when I was talking to him, I got freaked out because I was like, oh, I've left him multiple voice messages before.

=== Dogs and Doubts (08:26) ===

[00:07:19]  And I'm like, I hope he doesn't.
[00:07:20]  But he recognizes that.
[00:07:21]  Absolutely not.
[00:07:22]  Why was he there?
[00:07:23]  I think he was trying to cheat on his wife.
[00:07:24]  Oh.
[00:07:25]  Legit.
[00:07:26]  Like, he was just like, they should have brought the cats and let him go.
[00:07:29]  Walk him around on a couple of bushels of felices.
[00:07:32]  Oh, just let him go on coach.
[00:07:34]  Yeah.
[00:07:34]  Yeah, let him be eaten.
[00:07:35]  Let him go have fun.
[00:07:37]  He should feed his cats to RFK.
[00:07:39]  I mean, oh my God.
[00:07:41]  I don't understand.
[00:07:42]  Can we say real quick, did you read that Vanity Fair article about RFK?
[00:07:47]  You mean those unproven allegations in a fashion fucking magazine?
[00:07:51]  I'm going to be honest.
[00:07:54]  I did not know anything about RFK until I read that article.
[00:07:59]  One, because, and we'll get into this later.
[00:08:01]  I'm an undecided voter.
[00:08:02]  I'm an undecided voter too.
[00:08:04]  We are undecided voters, and I am a tablea raza.
[00:08:08]  I'm also a tablet from the Leraza.
[00:08:12]  I am.
[00:08:13]  I don't know nothing.
[00:08:15]  So I was like, damn, reading about RFK Jr., I swear to God, I almost exited you.
[00:08:19]  I didn't know he was a heroin addict.
[00:08:21]  Is that like a famous thing?
[00:08:22]  Yeah, yeah, super famous.
[00:08:23]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:08:24]  That's how little I have been paying attention to this man because I cannot, like, the great thing about him being written about in the press is that I don't have to hear his voice.
[00:08:35]  So it's like a great way for me to like get a, you know, a good idea about who this guy is without actually having to listen to him.
[00:08:42]  Because if I hear his voice, I turn it off.
[00:08:43]  You know, they did this story that I hate a dog.
[00:08:46]  Yeah.
[00:08:46]  Oh, yeah, it's tough.
[00:08:47]  I cannot, I can't, or look at him.
[00:08:50]  I don't like seeing him either.
[00:08:51]  So video, audio, not his medium.
[00:08:54]  The whole thing kind of looks like he kind of looks like when you know sometimes when you wake up and you're really bleary-eyed and like everything's sort of like shaky or whatever, his even with the sharpest of vision, his contours are like shimmering.
[00:09:09]  Like he doesn't seem like he seems like he's already moved on to the next world a bit.
[00:09:13]  Yeah, he's definitely got one foot in something.
[00:09:15]  You think he's an angel?
[00:09:17]  No.
[00:09:18]  A devil?
[00:09:19]  No, he's a mysterious third thing.
[00:09:22]  A Lemurian.
[00:09:24]  I don't get his vibe and I don't like it.
[00:09:28]  I really dislike his vibe.
[00:09:30]  The dog photo is crazy.
[00:09:33]  I don't understand how you can be someone who – is the implication that that's where he got the brain worm?
[00:09:39]  That was definitely implied in the article, I feel like, right?
[00:09:42]  You can't be someone who goes viral for having a brainworm and then goes viral for like eating dog.
[00:09:49]  Like it's too close to Truodon.
[00:09:54]  You know what Liz says?
[00:09:56]  She says you can't, you can't, and you can't.
[00:09:58]  And you know what RFK says?
[00:09:59]  What if I can?
[00:10:02]  You know, I was told last night, and I don't know if this is true or not.
[00:10:06]  I just believe anything anyone tells me about his voice because what could possibly have done that?
[00:10:10]  From the dog?
[00:10:11]  I heard that he was so nervous and anxious that he was going all the time and that he fucked up his throat because he had some thing wrong with his sphincter.
[00:10:22]  And they've put in a titanium throat.
[00:10:24]  That he has a titanium throat now.
[00:10:26]  He's the Terminator.
[00:10:30]  Like, well, he's the throat.
[00:10:31]  He should run as he's as post-human.
[00:10:35]  He is.
[00:10:36]  But he should come out as post-human.
[00:10:38]  I wonder why.
[00:10:39]  I'm post-human.
[00:10:40]  Yeah.
[00:10:40]  I've got brainworms.
[00:10:41]  Yes, I eat dog.
[00:10:42]  Yes, I eat dog.
[00:10:43]  I don't need it.
[00:10:45]  I don't need cow.
[00:10:46]  We have plenty of dog here.
[00:10:49]  It's crazy.
[00:10:50]  I will say this.
[00:10:51]  Listen, I ate a dog.
[00:10:55]  What?
[00:10:55]  I ate a dog.
[00:10:56]  No, you didn't.
[00:10:57]  I eat a dog.
[00:10:59]  No, you don't.
[00:11:00]  I regularly eat.
[00:11:01]  But what if I did?
[00:11:02]  Would that be bad?
[00:11:03]  Yes.
[00:11:04]  Why?
[00:11:05]  Because of cultural norms.
[00:11:07]  Interesting.
[00:11:08]  Okay.
[00:11:09]  Wow.
[00:11:09]  Don't talk about East Meast West to me.
[00:11:11]  Don't eat a dog.
[00:11:13]  Because of cultural norms.
[00:11:14]  That's what you sound like to me.
[00:11:16]  Jefferson Davis.
[00:11:20]  Jesus Christ.
[00:11:22]  Listen, I wouldn't eat a dog because I'm, as you know, vegan.
[00:11:26]  Yeah.
[00:11:27]  But I will say, if you have political ambitions of any kind, it doesn't speak highly to your sense of propriety to take a picture of you with the visibly dog carcass and a big old grin and then be texting it to people.
[00:11:45]  But you got to check out this dog place in Korea to say that.
[00:11:49]  Also, look at this like topless chick, which also seems to be part of the story that he's just like texting a bunch of naked chicks to his friends.
[00:11:55]  He is a world-class fucker.
[00:12:01]  I know.
[00:12:03]  Oh, he looks so fucking.
[00:12:05]  No, no, no.
[00:12:07]  God, you look so fucking good.
[00:12:08]  I do think that him as the like, the like anti-vax ayahuasca guy, it's like, okay, I get it.
[00:12:14]  I know the type.
[00:12:15]  I've seen it.
[00:12:16]  You love drop shipping.
[00:12:18]  You're into essential oils.
[00:12:19]  He does drop ship, yeah.
[00:12:20]  You know what I mean?
[00:12:21]  Whatever.
[00:12:22]  But I, and I think that, like, the, the kind of woke, I assume his support base is in like Montecino.
[00:12:30]  It's OHIP.
[00:12:31]  He launched his campaign in Ohio.
[00:12:32]  Yeah, the kind of like Ojai Montecino goop crew that's like out in force for him.
[00:12:38]  I feel like it's like, okay, you can do that.
[00:12:41]  I don't think that they can be, they're down with the dog thing.
[00:12:44]  It's tough to do the dog thing, as we've seen.
[00:12:47]  Like that, that kind of like, it goes, that's too far out.
[00:12:50]  Whereas like I can see the dog thing with the ayahuasca guy, but not in how he's like trying to appeal to these OHI type goopies.
[00:12:59]  Because they love their dogs.
[00:13:01]  Well, those are their babies.
[00:13:02]  They're fur babies.
[00:13:03]  They're fur babies, but also with their real babies.
[00:13:06]  But it's interesting.
[00:13:08]  I will say this.
[00:13:08]  As an undecided voter and completely agnostic political commentator, I'm just noting this, keeping score here.
[00:13:18]  In the past year, the GOP has had a dog killing problem with that one.
[00:13:26]  Christie?
[00:13:27]  Whatever her name is.
[00:13:28]  Is it Christie or Christie?
[00:13:29]  I always have a Christie.
[00:13:30]  I'm sorry if that's your name.
[00:13:31]  I really do have a problem with that.
[00:13:33]  Crystal.
[00:13:34]  Let's call her that.
[00:13:35]  With Christy Gnome.
[00:13:37]  The Crystal Gnome.
[00:13:38]  Neo.
[00:13:40]  She shot a dog that she thought was threatening.
[00:13:42]  Several.
[00:13:43]  She killed a whole pack, basically, of dogs.
[00:13:48]  I think they're the one.
[00:13:49]  She had a contract hit on Major.
[00:13:51]  Yeah, she killed.
[00:13:52]  That was the dog.
[00:13:53]  Oh, fuck.
[00:13:54]  And never mind.
[00:13:55]  My point is fucking, it's completely moot.
[00:13:57]  Because I was going to say, the GOP, dog killer.
[00:13:59]  Independent, dog eater.
[00:14:01]  Democrats have not killed a dog yet, but Major, I don't, Major didn't actually kill him.
[00:14:06]  Major went to the farm.
[00:14:08]  He's just on a farm upstate where he's really happy and they actually have lots of other dogs.
[00:14:13]  Yeah, and friends.
[00:14:14]  But I think the big difference is like the Democrats were straight up just letting their dog attack people.
[00:14:20]  Yeah.
[00:14:20]  Like their main dog, Major, they were like, have at it.
[00:14:25]  And like that, to me, like says that there's a dedication I'm seeing from the Democratic Party towards our furry friends that I'm not seeing from the independents who simply want to make a meal of them, a la buzz feed.
[00:14:37]  And the GOP, who much like Shia LaBeouf to prepare for his role in the, I think it was called the accountant, basically rolls around and kills dogs.
[00:14:47]  You remember that?
[00:14:48]  No.
[00:14:49]  Seemingly no one else but me does in the midst of the allegations against F.
[00:14:54]  I didn't know he was in that movie.
[00:14:55]  I never saw it.
[00:14:56]  I think the accountant is a movie with not him in it.
[00:15:00]  It's definitely not.
[00:15:00]  That's not the movie.
[00:15:02]  I just know it from the meme.
[00:15:03]  There's a movie where he plays a Mexican guy that I didn't see and I don't believe anyone else did.
[00:15:08]  And when all the allegations about Sheila LaBeouf came out.
[00:15:15]  Shia LaBeouf.
[00:15:15]  Shia LaBeouf came out.
[00:15:18]  That was one of the allegations that he was killing dogs for this role.
[00:15:20]  Okay.
[00:15:21]  I mean.
[00:15:22]  I could see it.
[00:15:23]  Yeah.
[00:15:23]  I mean, who hasn't done that?
[00:15:25]  Well, me and plenty of other people.
[00:15:27]  Yeah, but once your acting career takes off, you will.
[00:15:29]  Okay, we are going to talk about the Democrats, the demon rats, a little bit later, because we're going to go over the swamp is out for old man Joe.
[00:15:41]  It's old man Joe versus the volcano, and it is coming to burn him.

=== Morales' Confirmation Crisis (14:57) ===

[00:15:46]  But before that, we got to talk about another coup that took place in Bolivia not that long ago.
[00:15:57]  Yeah, we couldn't pass this up, right?
[00:16:00]  I mean, we are, again, we are neutral and all issues political.
[00:16:04]  And so whenever a coup happens, I just like to take a step back, put on my Pince Nez, slick back my hair, unleash the hounds, and simply observe.
[00:16:14]  And then, well, yeah, I kill half the hounds and I let the other half.
[00:16:17]  Well, I have them fight.
[00:16:18]  Yeah.
[00:16:19]  And June 26th, it's hard to know exactly what to call it, but let's just say for shorthand, a coup was launched.
[00:16:29]  A coup attempt.
[00:16:30]  A coup attempt.
[00:16:31]  An attempted coup.
[00:16:32]  An attempt attempt.
[00:16:33]  Actually, possibly even just an attempt at a coup.
[00:16:36]  Yes.
[00:16:36]  Okay, I see.
[00:16:37]  Was launched in La Paz, capital Bolivia, in Plaza Murillo, which is like a giant plaza that has all the government buildings in it.
[00:16:46]  Right off the bat, I got to say this.
[00:16:49]  America has it rocking with the fact that it's really hard to get to the White House and they'll kill you.
[00:16:54]  It's super hard to do a coup in that situation.
[00:16:57]  A lot of countries are kind of like right there.
[00:17:00]  You know what I mean?
[00:17:01]  Like you can just go to them.
[00:17:03]  And I think that's kind of what we saw happen here.
[00:17:06]  It's launched by a general, which is a good, especially compared to a lot of the recent coups we've seen is pretty, it's advanced.
[00:17:13]  It's more advanced than a lot of them.
[00:17:15]  General Joseph Zuninga.
[00:17:17]  I'm going to pronounce every Spanish language name here wrong, but guess what?
[00:17:21]  You can pronounce a what name any way you like.
[00:17:24]  It's a subjective noun.
[00:17:26]  Zuninga is a career military man who's like a classic corrupt South American style general.
[00:17:34]  He was confirmed as general of the army, I think earlier this year, but I believe he's like been acting.
[00:17:39]  He's been like high up in the army for a few years.
[00:17:42]  He got in trouble a couple of days before the coup for going on TV and declaring that Morales, Evo Morales, who's running for president in 2025, will never be president again.
[00:17:53]  Yeah.
[00:17:54]  This is, you can't do that.
[00:17:55]  So in Bolivia, there's a law, I think it's in the Constitution actually, that if you're in the military, you cannot come out and have political opinions.
[00:18:04]  Yeah.
[00:18:05]  And so he went and said this like in an interview, where he was like, sit down, interview.
[00:18:10]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:18:11]  And so everyone, everyone took that as him making a political statement and we're like, you can't do that.
[00:18:19]  Now you got to go.
[00:18:21]  Well, I mean, I think we have that law technically here.
[00:18:24]  I don't know if it's a law, but like you're not supposed to be doing that.
[00:18:27]  I think it's more like it's more of a kind of like, you know, wink-wink-nudge-nudge sort of social rule than it is.
[00:18:36]  Like, this is literally, I think this is in the Bolivian Constitution.
[00:18:39]  Yeah, yeah, which makes a lot of South American countries, well, a lot of countries all over the world has had sort of a rule by the colonels or generals or whoever else.
[00:18:46]  Yeah.
[00:18:47]  This is what you said about Morales.
[00:18:49]  He can no longer be president of this country.
[00:18:51]  If necessary, I will prevent him from trampling on the Constitution from disobeying the people's mandate.
[00:18:55]  And everyone was like, okay, you can't do that.
[00:18:58]  So you're just saying you're going to arrest one of the main guys in the country.
[00:19:02]  So he basically lost his job.
[00:19:04]  I think a little bit of background is necessary here.
[00:19:06]  So Eva Morales, the leader of MAS, MAS, Movement for Socialism, was couped out of office himself in 2019 by a United States and Organization of American States-backed coup that put this far-right nutcase lady in charge.
[00:19:20]  Yeah.
[00:19:20]  Very unpopular.
[00:19:21]  Yeah.
[00:19:22]  Añez.
[00:19:22]  Añez.
[00:19:23]  Janine.
[00:19:25]  So this was because Eva Morales was seeking a fourth term in office.
[00:19:30]  There have been constitutional changes, this back and forth.
[00:19:32]  Like, listen, the Bolivian Constitution said, I think you're not like you're allowed to have like two terms.
[00:19:38]  And he had gotten the constitution, like there was a referendum that he had done that failed very narrowly, that would allow for more.
[00:19:47]  But then essentially, their equivalent to the Supreme Court was like, actually, it is legal.
[00:19:51]  But then people were like, no, he can't.
[00:19:53]  It's like a crooked Supreme Court or whatever.
[00:19:56]  There's not a lot of time to get into the constitutional stuff here.
[00:19:59]  But the military essentially forces Morales to resign after he had won in an election.
[00:20:06]  And he had like unequivocally won.
[00:20:07]  Like he had gotten a majority of votes.
[00:20:10]  There wasn't going to be a runoff.
[00:20:11]  Like he had beaten the fuck out of everybody else.
[00:20:14]  And the military is like, we're not going to support you anymore.
[00:20:18]  He has to flee the country.
[00:20:19]  And not only are they not going to support him, they're going to take him out.
[00:20:21]  He has to flee the country.
[00:20:22]  They ransack his house.
[00:20:23]  They kill his dog.
[00:20:25]  They go to his apartment and murder his dog that he had.
[00:20:29]  That's becoming a theme of this episode very weirdly.
[00:20:31]  It really is.
[00:20:32]  This is kind of a dog killer episode.
[00:20:34]  We have two kinds, and you know what the other one is.
[00:20:38]  And he flees, I think he goes to Mexico.
[00:20:42]  Like we said, Janine Agnez, sort of like, I would say a Marjorie Taylor Greene type of woman.
[00:20:48]  Like a little bit of like a, kind of like, I'd say a blonde nut.
[00:20:54]  Yes.
[00:20:54]  Gets put in charge.
[00:20:56]  And she tries to do, I got to say, one of the worst authority.
[00:21:00]  Listen, I'm a connoisseur of authoritarian regimes in just in a general sense.
[00:21:05]  Hers sucked.
[00:21:07]  Really bad at it.
[00:21:09]  You know, they massacred, I think, like a couple dozen protesters, but they were like really outman.
[00:21:15]  I mean, MAS, you know, Morales, hugely popular in the country.
[00:21:19]  Extremely popular among the indigenous population, which is the majority, as opposed to kind of the kind of, I guess you would say, like Spanish, you know, background, middle class.
[00:21:30]  And she was just seeing, and that's like what she came from, like this conservative, like middle class, upper class, more city centric politics.
[00:21:41]  And then she's like, okay, we've got to call for another election.
[00:21:44]  She doesn't even run in it because she's so unpopular.
[00:21:48]  And Morales is like, I'm not going to run because it's like, you know, I'm chill.
[00:21:53]  I'm stepping back.
[00:21:54]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:21:55]  I'm going to rock with my guy up there.
[00:21:57]  Yes.
[00:21:57]  Luis Arce.
[00:21:58]  Arce, who was his former economic advice or minister, finance minister, economic advisor.
[00:22:05]  But we should say is not, he's not like a, so Morales is like a, for people who don't know, comes, he's like a movement guy.
[00:22:13]  Yeah.
[00:22:14]  He comes out of the movement.
[00:22:15]  He is an organ.
[00:22:17]  He's like an organizer of the people, right?
[00:22:20]  Arce's background is he's a banker.
[00:22:23]  He's a technocrat.
[00:22:24]  He's, you know, even before becoming the finance minister, like that is his, he doesn't have those like deep ties to the popular indigenous base like Morales does.
[00:22:35]  Well, yeah, MAS is like the party is like less a party than a collection of movements.
[00:22:40]  Like famously and like almost singularly compared to a lot of other, I mean, other South American political parties, but political parties in general.
[00:22:47]  Like it really is like, it's like unions and then like the coca growers, which is where Morales is like main bases or really powerful.
[00:22:56]  And like they kind of, it's like this like patchwork of like social movements and political movements and like unions that kind of came together.
[00:23:04]  And which is funny because that means there's like there's like sort of power bases within those like sometimes competing movements within this larger movement.
[00:23:12]  Yeah.
[00:23:13]  And Morales is really in touch with a lot of them and then Arce a little less so, although he's still like a main figure in the party.
[00:23:20]  Yeah, but he just isn't.
[00:23:21]  Yeah.
[00:23:22]  He just doesn't come from that world.
[00:23:23]  He doesn't come from that.
[00:23:24]  Yeah.
[00:23:25]  So, but Arce is like, all right, I'm going to do it.
[00:23:28]  He runs and wins with a clear majority vote, vastly outperforms the other candidate.
[00:23:33]  I mean, it's the same.
[00:23:34]  It basically confirms the result that Morales got, which is that like the people want MAS in power.
[00:23:40]  Yeah.
[00:23:41]  I mean, they wanted Morales, but they'll take Arce.
[00:23:44]  So Agnes gets arrested.
[00:23:46]  Janine.
[00:23:46]  Janine gets arrested, which is, I think they waited maybe like a year or two.
[00:23:51]  Yeah.
[00:23:52]  She's still in jail.
[00:23:53]  She's still in jail.
[00:23:54]  She's like, oh, I'm going crazy in here.
[00:23:55]  It's like, well, you shouldn't have done the coup.
[00:23:57]  I mean.
[00:23:58]  Well, she was put up by the U.S., the OAS.
[00:24:02]  But like, flee.
[00:24:03]  This is what I'm saying.
[00:24:03]  Like, flee the country.
[00:24:04]  Sure.
[00:24:05]  Like, if you do a coup, because they did, theirs was like halfway.
[00:24:09]  Like, they weren't like, we're going to like withhold elections because of the state of like what she should have done.
[00:24:14]  And again, this is from an objective perspective.
[00:24:16]  Obviously, my personal politics do not come into the show, but like from an objective perspective, what she should have done is she should have suspended elections because of civil unrest because she couldn't guarantee the safety of poll workers or the validity of votes.
[00:24:27]  Oh, sure.
[00:24:28]  Because there was, she should have said there was intimidation from the activists in these more rural areas and she would have to send the military in to restore order.
[00:24:36]  Look at that.
[00:24:37]  Simple.
[00:24:38]  Simple.
[00:24:38]  It's right there.
[00:24:39]  Yeah.
[00:24:39]  But she didn't.
[00:24:40]  She was like, oh, we're going to do an election.
[00:24:42]  Yeah, she kind of, you know, one foot in, one foot out.
[00:24:44]  That was also a period where a lot of, in sort of a, a similar twist to what we're seeing a little bit with what's happening now with Biden, where a lot of, I'm going to say, pieces of shit who say that they're like, oh, I'm like a left-wing person.
[00:24:58]  We're like, well, Morales was really authoritarian.
[00:25:00]  Oh, yeah.
[00:25:01]  That was like a remember that?
[00:25:02]  A lot of people being like...
[00:25:04]  We got little squishies.
[00:25:05]  Lots of squishies.
[00:25:06]  That was a big moment for the squishies.
[00:25:08]  Yeah.
[00:25:09]  The squishies are back in full force.
[00:25:11]  The squishies never leave.
[00:25:12]  In fact, sometimes it seems, Liz, they get squishier.
[00:25:15]  They're squishies than ever.
[00:25:16]  And the squishiers, the squishies get squishier.
[00:25:18]  Yeah.
[00:25:19]  And one day, I just wish that we could actually physically, with some kind of crazy contraption, squish them permanently.
[00:25:27]  Yeah, like the iPad.
[00:25:29]  Yes, like the iPad.
[00:25:32]  But Arce gets in there.
[00:25:35]  However, there is maybe some tensions.
[00:25:39]  Well, there is definitely some tensions between him and Morales.
[00:25:42]  Well, I think, I mean, I'm not, look, I'm in an armchair psychoanalyze.
[00:25:48]  But I really am.
[00:25:49]  I'm like you.
[00:25:49]  I'm just calling balls and strikes here.
[00:25:51]  Calling balls and strikes.
[00:25:52]  Right.
[00:25:52]  Which is my spidey sense tells me that Arce got in and was like, damn, this rocks.
[00:25:59]  I love being president of Bolivia.
[00:26:02]  And Morales is like, babe, pick up the phone, pick up the phone.
[00:26:06]  Where are you at, dude?
[00:26:06]  And Arce is like, no, I'm going to unread.
[00:26:11]  Like, leaving him, not calling him back.
[00:26:14]  And basically, Morales is like, no, I want to become president again.
[00:26:17]  And Arce's like, I don't think so.
[00:26:19]  Well, I think what was supposed to happen, and this is, let this be a lesson, because we saw this in San Francisco with Ed Lee.
[00:26:26]  Whenever a guy, because Arce, I think, was supposed to be kind of like the like interim, basically.
[00:26:31]  Yes.
[00:26:31]  He wasn't going to run again.
[00:26:33]  No, much like Joe Biden.
[00:26:35]  Much like Joe Biden, much like Ed Lee.
[00:26:38]  But they were too strong and powerful and good to stay in office.
[00:26:41]  They had to stay in office.
[00:26:42]  And hopefully the same thing that happened to Ed Lee will happen to one Joseph Robinette Biden.
[00:26:48]  In the ice cream aisle.
[00:26:50]  In the ice cream aisle.
[00:26:50]  Interpret that however you want.
[00:26:52]  On Monterey Boulevard.
[00:26:54]  But Arce was like, maybe we should have me be president again.
[00:27:01]  And Morales was like, what the fuck?
[00:27:04]  And so there's like a big split in MAS.
[00:27:07]  Yes.
[00:27:08]  Arce is in fact kicked out of the party.
[00:27:10]  There's supposed to be an election sometime in 2025.
[00:27:12]  Yeah, 2025.
[00:27:13]  Moss is like, we're putting up fucking Morales.
[00:27:16]  Arce is technically, he's not in it anymore.
[00:27:18]  I think some of his ministers are technically in it.
[00:27:20]  I don't really frankly, I can't really figure out who's still in Moss or not.
[00:27:25]  Yeah.
[00:27:26]  It's also confusing because the courts said that Morales can't run in 2025.
[00:27:30]  That's another thing.
[00:27:31]  So the same courts that said he could run again have now, it's different guys in there, have now said that he can't run again.
[00:27:37]  Which people are interpreting as Arce pulling the little strings there to keep Morales out.
[00:27:42]  Yes.
[00:27:43]  So we got a lot of kind of political instability here.
[00:27:47]  I mean, MAS is still the most powerful force in the country, like even with this split.
[00:27:51]  It's the conservatives, people don't really, if you don't really like them.
[00:27:55]  They get like 20% of the vote.
[00:27:57]  And then there's not really any other political force there.
[00:28:01]  But there's a great deal of political instability among the ruling coalition.
[00:28:05]  So as far as I can tell what's going on here, I mean, Zeninga is, according to Bolivian newspaper, El de Bear, which is not how you pronounce that.
[00:28:16]  God knows how.
[00:28:17]  D-E-B-E-R?
[00:28:18]  El de Bear?
[00:28:20]  El de Bear.
[00:28:21]  There you go.
[00:28:22]  According to the hit TV show, The Bear, Zeninga is, quote, close to social movements, close to the government.
[00:28:31]  Several leaders called him the people's general for his rapprochement with the sectors.
[00:28:36]  He was seen in several events with the organizations.
[00:28:38]  This is like Google Translate, but you can get what he's saying.
[00:28:41]  He was seen in several events with the organizations, but also with union leaders.
[00:28:46]  Okay.
[00:28:47]  Interesting.
[00:28:48]  It should be noted he was charged with graft about a decade ago.
[00:28:52]  Him and like, I think 11 or 12 other military guys were like, there was some kind of bribery scandal where they were stealing money, I believe meant for social organizations, and they were maybe putting it in their pockets a little bit.
[00:29:03]  Evo Morales accused him in 2022, this is the general Zeninga, of being part of the Pachachos group.
[00:29:09]  Great name.
[00:29:10]  Yeah, I know.
[00:29:11]  I love that.
[00:29:12]  Which is a group of military men said to be monitoring smuggling and keeping intelligence tabs on the Coca Growers Union and Evo Morales.
[00:29:24]  So he accused, like, Morales actually kind of accused him of fomenting a coup a couple of years ago.
[00:29:29]  Yeah.
[00:29:30]  He said he had a black plan, which I love that.
[00:29:33]  A black plan to like essentially like make sure Morales never gets into power again.
[00:29:38]  Okay.
[00:29:39]  But he is known as being like an intelligence, military intelligence guy.
[00:29:42]  Interesting.
[00:29:44]  Zeninga did not deny membership in the pachachos, but says that Morales, oh, you don't know what he's talking about.
[00:29:51]  But yeah, I'm in it.
[00:29:53]  Okay, so let's cut back to June 26th.
[00:29:58]  Yeah.
[00:29:58]  How does this all go down?
[00:30:00]  So that interview you mentioned that happened a couple days, like that was like on June 24th.
[00:30:05]  Morales obviously sees that interview.
[00:30:07]  He's like, get this fucking piece of shit out of here.
[00:30:10]  Arce is like, oh, he's fired.
[00:30:13]  But is he fired?
[00:30:14]  Zeninga shows stone up to work for the next couple of day at least.
[00:30:18]  Here's a true anon tip.
[00:30:19]  Yeah.
[00:30:19]  If they fire you, just continue to show up.
[00:30:23]  You're the head of the army.
[00:30:24]  If you still go to work, you're not fired.
[00:30:26]  I'm sorry.
[00:30:26]  I'm fired.
[00:30:27]  Then why am I at my job right now?
[00:30:29]  Exactly.
[00:30:29]  I don't riddle me this.
[00:30:31]  So I'm fired, but I'm here.
[00:30:33]  If I was fired, I wouldn't be here.
[00:30:35]  Yeah.
[00:30:36]  Make them remove you physically, which, well, we'll get to it.
[00:30:40]  Well, he kind of, yeah, yes.
[00:30:42]  There was a standout.
[00:30:42]  It was a stand down.

=== Armored Vehicle Mystery (13:19) ===

[00:30:44]  Kind of.
[00:30:45]  There's some questions there.
[00:30:47]  But Zeninga just shows up to work the next day.
[00:30:49]  He's like, I still work here.
[00:30:50]  I'm still in charge of the army.
[00:30:53]  No one can really figure out exactly what's going on.
[00:30:56]  He's fired.
[00:30:57]  Maybe he's not fired.
[00:30:58]  He says he wasn't fired, but everyone else is saying he's fired.
[00:31:02]  And so on the 26th at around 2 p.m., which I really like that detail because I'm like, fuck, because doing a coup, you think like, fuck, do I got to show up at like, well, you probably want to show up when everyone's there, like the government's like at work.
[00:31:13]  So you're like, I got to show up at like 9.30, like make sure that people who are late are there like 10.
[00:31:19]  Okay.
[00:31:19]  But they're like, fuck it.
[00:31:20]  We're showing up after lunch.
[00:31:21]  Yeah.
[00:31:21]  Like we're showing up at 2 p.m.
[00:31:23]  Goes to the plaza with six trucks of soldiers, some armored vehicles, and kind of like surrounds.
[00:31:29]  This is, you know, all the government buildings are like the Congress, the Presidential Palace.
[00:31:33]  Surround these, like lay siege to them basically.
[00:31:37]  He's there with the head of the Air Force and the head of the Navy.
[00:31:40]  They bust down the gates with an armored vehicle.
[00:31:43]  Not a tank, I should mention.
[00:31:45]  Just like an APC, which I'm like, bro, you couldn't get a fucking tank for this.
[00:31:49]  Wow. That's like.
[00:31:51]  Me thinks it was not meant to be a full-throated coup.
[00:31:55]  I know.
[00:31:55]  I know.
[00:31:56]  There's something going on here.
[00:31:59]  Arce actually calls Morales at this point.
[00:32:02]  It's like, there's a coup happening.
[00:32:04]  Like, there's guys outside my shit.
[00:32:06]  It's like a two-minute conversation.
[00:32:07]  Morales later is like, he sounded like a pussy on it.
[00:32:10]  But he's like, there's a two-minute conversation.
[00:32:12]  Morales immediately is like.
[00:32:15]  Mobilize the people.
[00:32:16]  Get the people out there.
[00:32:17]  Yes.
[00:32:18]  And I mean, I think maybe people saw the scenes, but it was, it did a kind of, you know, there's like people flooding into the plaza.
[00:32:25]  Like, everyone is like ready to go to defend the government.
[00:32:28]  Like, no coup.
[00:32:29]  This is not going to happen.
[00:32:30]  You know, I think it was like a little, I mean, if you saw the, I mean, when was it the attempted coup against Chavez when everyone rushed in?
[00:32:40]  It's like 2002, maybe I can't remember what year it was.
[00:32:43]  Yeah, everyone came out.
[00:32:44]  But so it was like, it was really reminiscent of that.
[00:32:46]  Yeah.
[00:32:47]  You know, a huge scene in a plaza of the people coming in to defend the government.
[00:32:50]  There's like, yeah, they start setting up blockades on roads.
[00:32:53]  Like the main trade union confederation calls for a general, indefinite general strike.
[00:32:58]  Yeah.
[00:32:59]  Peasants' associations are like, we're going on strike.
[00:33:02]  Everyone's going on strike.
[00:33:02]  Like they basically mobilize.
[00:33:05]  Immediately.
[00:33:06]  Immediately.
[00:33:06]  Lock it down.
[00:33:07]  Yeah.
[00:33:08]  And so Zeninga is like in this armored vehicle, which is that's tough.
[00:33:12]  Because you're at that point presenting yourself as like the boss of like a like 2005 video game or something because you're just like in this armored vehicle making pronouncements.
[00:33:21]  And he's like, we got to release, release all political prisoners, including Janine.
[00:33:26]  In fact, mostly Janine.
[00:33:27]  Yeah.
[00:33:28]  But like specifically for Janine to be released.
[00:33:30]  And I think he had a couple other people.
[00:33:32]  But yeah.
[00:33:32]  And she was like, she makes a statement, who knows, but she makes a statement being like, no, don't release me.
[00:33:37]  Like, I'm not part of this.
[00:33:39]  Yeah, it's very weird.
[00:33:40]  She probably was like, this coup sucks.
[00:33:43]  There's no way they're going to get me released.
[00:33:46]  And like, if you threw a bad coup, this is an even worse coup.
[00:33:50]  Like, you should know because you were so bad at it.
[00:33:52]  Yeah.
[00:33:52]  You did it.
[00:33:53]  You don't want generally to be in prison for something and then for someone to do a worse version of what you did in order to get you released.
[00:33:59]  Yeah.
[00:34:00]  You know?
[00:34:00]  And so it was smart of her to be like, no, like, I don't know these guys that good.
[00:34:04]  So like, you know, I don't really fuck with them like that.
[00:34:07]  Like, they're cool, but don't, you know, that's nice, but I'm just, I like prison.
[00:34:14]  So Zaninga does enter the palace.
[00:34:16]  Again, like the armored car knocked down the gate.
[00:34:20]  Arce is like, goes and stands up to him.
[00:34:23]  Like, physically, it stands up to him.
[00:34:24]  Physically stands up to him in front of him.
[00:34:26]  Yeah.
[00:34:26]  And like, it's like beefing.
[00:34:28]  Like, it is kind of weird.
[00:34:29]  Very strange.
[00:34:30]  Like, surrounded by press.
[00:34:31]  Zeninga's there.
[00:34:32]  He's flanked by like the fucking.
[00:34:34]  I say it looks choreographed.
[00:34:35]  Yeah.
[00:34:36]  There feels a little.
[00:34:38]  What's going on there?
[00:34:39]  Perhaps a dance is being danced.
[00:34:41]  I'm not making any accusations of whatever nature, any kind.
[00:34:44]  I'm just saying that I've never really seen something like this before.
[00:34:50]  Zaninga's there.
[00:34:51]  He's got the head of the Navy on one side, ahead of the Air Force on one side.
[00:34:53]  And Arce is like, stand down.
[00:34:55]  Zaninga's like, no.
[00:34:56]  I think the head of the Air Force is like, no.
[00:34:59]  And the head of the Navy, I believe it's the Navy, goes, okay.
[00:35:03]  And Zeninga's like, fuck, dude.
[00:35:06]  Why'd you even come?
[00:35:08]  But Gene, if you, you got one job.
[00:35:10]  It's just to say, like, no.
[00:35:12]  So you show up for the coup, which, by the way, all army guys, no Navy guys in there.
[00:35:18]  I don't think everyone was on the same page.
[00:35:20]  But you show up for the coup, and then you're like, uh, fuck, dude.
[00:35:24]  Like, I'm good.
[00:35:27]  Like, well, how can we bring in Marines, then, asshole?
[00:35:29]  Where are you?
[00:35:30]  Why are you here?
[00:35:31]  Just be on the government side.
[00:35:32]  But also, why didn't you check with your friends to be like, okay, they're going to ask us if we're standing down and you got to say no.
[00:35:39]  And remember, everyone's story is the same.
[00:35:40]  We're doing a coup.
[00:35:42]  And I guess the Navy guy, I don't know.
[00:35:45]  I don't know.
[00:35:45]  This is a really sad coup.
[00:35:47]  Yeah.
[00:35:47]  This is like the shortest.
[00:35:49]  This has to be a record for the shortest coup attempt, right?
[00:35:52]  I had like an appointment during this.
[00:35:55]  And I was like, fuck, like, I wonder what's going to happen by the time I got out.
[00:35:58]  And like, it was like an hour-long appointment.
[00:36:00]  And literally, like, this was like, they hadn't even, I don't even know if they had started, they had gotten into the presidential palace yet.
[00:36:06]  Yeah.
[00:36:07]  By the time I got out, it was over.
[00:36:09]  And I was like, oh, that was, that's crazy.
[00:36:12]  So like, Zeninga's like, oh, okay.
[00:36:18]  And then leaves, leaves, gets back in the armored vehicle, makes a statement to reporters, like, just playing.
[00:36:23]  It's, it's, we're, I'm leaving.
[00:36:27]  But he leaves all the soldiers there.
[00:36:29]  He just takes off.
[00:36:30]  Which is actually pretty sad.
[00:36:31]  That's really funny.
[00:36:32]  Yeah.
[00:36:33]  Yeah.
[00:36:33]  Cover my rear.
[00:36:34]  Yeah, just get out of there.
[00:36:35]  And there's these incredible videos of just like Bolivian guys and men and women, just like regular people, just kind of chasing soldiers through the plaza.
[00:36:44]  The soldiers are like full retreat and like military police or whatever, just like running around away from people.
[00:36:52]  It is awful.
[00:36:54]  Zeninga, like they, like the police come.
[00:36:57]  Someone calls the police on the military and they start tear gassing the fucking soldiers that are laying siege to the palace.
[00:37:04]  I was like, you are so fucked.
[00:37:06]  If you're like, it's over.
[00:37:08]  It's over, bro.
[00:37:09]  Go back to barracks.
[00:37:11]  These guys are going to get so made fun of the rest of their time in the army.
[00:37:16]  Okay, so now we have to get to what's really weird about this whole thing.
[00:37:20]  Yeah, well, first we should say Zeninga gets arrested.
[00:37:22]  Sure.
[00:37:23]  Yeah.
[00:37:24]  Then he says, okay, this is an inside job.
[00:37:27]  Zeninga says that.
[00:37:29]  Yes.
[00:37:29]  He gives a quote.
[00:37:30]  He says, the president told me the situation is screwed up.
[00:37:33]  It is critical.
[00:37:33]  We need to prepare something to raise my popularity.
[00:37:37]  Shall we bring out the armored vehicles?
[00:37:39]  I asked Arce, and he replied, bring them out.
[00:37:42]  Then on Sunday night, the armored vehicles begin to arrive.
[00:37:46]  So he basically comes out and is like, actually, this is an inside job.
[00:37:50]  I was put up to do this.
[00:37:52]  But that is the only, let's say, proof, and I'm using quotation marks here, that this was perhaps a bit of political theater.
[00:38:05]  Yes.
[00:38:06]  Rather than a genuine coup attempt.
[00:38:08]  Yeah.
[00:38:08]  It's unclear who's telling.
[00:38:11]  I mean, it would make sense if after you're fleeing and you did just like the lamest coup attempt ever, that you'd be like, okay, I got to figure out a way to blame this on somebody and not myself.
[00:38:19]  I would say, actually, the president asked me to do that.
[00:38:22]  Yeah, that's a really good alibi.
[00:38:24]  However, it also could be true.
[00:38:28]  So Morales comes out and he's like, that's a motherfucking auto-golpe.
[00:38:34]  Now, can you explain what this is?
[00:38:35]  Yes, that's where you can suck your own penis.
[00:38:37]  No, it is not.
[00:38:39]  No, an auto-golpe.
[00:38:41]  Oh, golpe is a coup.
[00:38:43]  However the fuck to pronounce it, but G-O-L-P-E.
[00:38:45]  Auto-golpe is a, what's called a self-coup, right?
[00:38:48]  And so that can manifest itself in many ways, but oftentimes it's like, I mean, this is more like a false flag self-coup kind of thing.
[00:38:57]  But it's basically where you perform a coup on your own government to perpetuate your power.
[00:39:03]  Yes.
[00:39:03]  To gin up support.
[00:39:04]  To gin up support.
[00:39:06]  Or even just to like strong.
[00:39:07]  To abolish, even to abolish certain things.
[00:39:10]  Like maybe you're going to take out Congress, whatever.
[00:39:11]  But like it's to, it's to, it's to cement your own power.
[00:39:15]  But I will say also, even just as a bit of theater, the way that Arce was like puffing up his chest was like.
[00:39:23]  He's like, get out of here.
[00:39:24]  Yeah.
[00:39:25]  And they're like in their face.
[00:39:26]  As if like when you have a coup, it's just like a stand down man-to-man, face-to-face.
[00:39:30]  It's like, what am I looking at?
[00:39:32]  Because it's like, you know, you're in the army.
[00:39:34]  You can arrest the president.
[00:39:35]  Like, you're doing a coup.
[00:39:37]  Yeah.
[00:39:37]  Like, what did you think was going to happen?
[00:39:38]  You'd be like, leave.
[00:39:39]  He'd be like, all right, I'm going home.
[00:39:40]  Let's like, you guys be the guy.
[00:39:41]  Or you'd be like, I'm doing a coup.
[00:39:43]  And then you'd be like, ah, damn it.
[00:39:44]  And then say, okay.
[00:39:45]  Like, that's not, you have to actually take the power.
[00:39:48]  Yeah.
[00:39:48]  None of it makes sense.
[00:39:49]  It doesn't make any sense.
[00:39:50]  Like, even if, like, like, no matter what, at some point, you have to deal.
[00:39:54]  If you're doing the coup, you're Zeninga in this situation.
[00:39:57]  You have to get Arce out of being the government.
[00:40:00]  Because like, he even said Zeninga was like, made this vague statements when he was like in the armored vehicle before he went in the palace.
[00:40:06]  He was like, we need a change of government.
[00:40:08]  Like in a very vague way.
[00:40:10]  Like ministers need to be taken out or whatever.
[00:40:13]  I don't know what his intentions were.
[00:40:15]  I don't know what the plan behind this was.
[00:40:18]  But I do know that it had a very, there was something strange about it.
[00:40:22]  Well, no real coup would happen without either the United States or one of its proxy regimes like the United Kingdom being involved.
[00:40:33]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:40:34]  Or like, it's, I mean, I don't know what like statements from like OAS or anything were made here because they were really in favor of the 2019 coup.
[00:40:42]  But like this happened so quickly that no one could even come out in support or against it, really.
[00:40:46]  Right, but that's what I'm saying.
[00:40:47]  Like it doesn't have the feeling of 2019.
[00:40:50]  It doesn't have the feeling of like a real genuine coup because that would have had either OAS or one of the, you know, someone from the West coming in to throw their support behind.
[00:41:03]  Well, there wasn't any like in 2019, we had like a lead up where we saw where this was going.
[00:41:07]  You know what I mean?
[00:41:08]  Like there was like, oh, there's protests.
[00:41:09]  Oh, Morales is an authoritarian.
[00:41:11]  There's all the, you know, whatever Forbes articles about it and all this kind of stuff.
[00:41:15]  And then you have the classic coup.
[00:41:16]  In this case, it was just like, there's guys in the plaza.
[00:41:20]  You know what it really reminded me of was the, however you say his name, Perjogun.
[00:41:25]  The Wagner.
[00:41:27]  The faux Wagner, whatever that was, like label, like job protest that he did, where it was just like, what the fuck is this?
[00:41:35]  And just like some random guy, like trying to stir shit up.
[00:41:40]  Way further.
[00:41:41]  Like, that was like a real, there was like, that was, I will say, did we do an episode on that?
[00:41:46]  It was, I don't know, but it wasn't, it didn't actually, I mean, it went further as in he drove further.
[00:41:51]  Yeah, but like they like had a lot of guys and like shot down like seven helicopters and shit.
[00:41:56]  Yeah, but they didn't like get further in terms of like trying to getting power.
[00:42:00]  Yeah, because they just stopped.
[00:42:01]  Yeah.
[00:42:01]  I mean, I think they were gonna, I think they were gonna maybe, I think they thought they were gonna arrest Troiku or something.
[00:42:05]  Like that's what, you know, like the former minister of war or whatever.
[00:42:11]  But, but I think he just wasn't where they thought he was gonna be.
[00:42:17]  But this is just like, what?
[00:42:19]  I can't even figure out what their possible even bad plan was here.
[00:42:23]  That's why I gotta say, like, I really just think it's inside job.
[00:42:26]  I think it's a bit of a damage.
[00:42:27]  Something seems like that to me.
[00:42:29]  So our official score, I think we just got to give this a zero out of 10.
[00:42:35]  As like on coup review?
[00:42:36]  On just regular, on a level of, if we're taking it as face value, this guy is trying to do a coup.
[00:42:41]  Yeah.
[00:42:42]  It is a full zero.
[00:42:43]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:42:44]  No, you know what?
[00:42:44]  It's a one.
[00:42:45]  It's a one.
[00:42:46]  Because I feel like giving a zero is like, that's like, you can't get it.
[00:42:49]  That's like the DRC.
[00:42:51]  Well, that's like the DRC coup is a zero.
[00:42:54]  No, I think it's the one.
[00:42:55]  You think that?
[00:42:56]  Well, then this is a two.
[00:42:58]  Okay.
[00:42:59]  We're giving this a two then.
[00:43:00]  I'll give it a two because at least he he ended up where he was supposed to be.
[00:43:07]  Yeah.
[00:43:08]  Whereas the DRC one just they kind of like fell out into the jungle and then just like well.
[00:43:14]  Yeah, They like had to carjack.
[00:43:18]  You know.
[00:43:19]  At least they showed up with their own cars.
[00:43:20]  Yes.
[00:43:21]  And at least here, he was at the right place.
[00:43:26]  Like he did make it to the right place in a vehicle so that you get a point for that.
[00:43:32]  Well, and he did have, like, we always say you want your fucking, well, this is actually, this is both for him and against him because you do want, if you're going to do a coup, you want the head of the Navy and you want the head of the Air Force there.
[00:43:44]  However, he fucked up.
[00:43:46]  It's actually almost worse for you.
[00:43:49]  You definitely also needed the interior ministry.
[00:43:51]  Yeah.
[00:43:51]  Yeah.
[00:43:51]  You know, everyone knows that's the thing.
[00:43:54]  But he also, like, it's like, I get you get points for having those guys with you, but you get points taken away for the guy being like, well, I'm not with him.

=== Virtual Nomination Process (14:20) ===

[00:44:03]  You know?
[00:44:04]  Like, you can.
[00:44:05]  Well, no, it was bad and he did a bad job.
[00:44:06]  But what I'm just saying is like, you don't get a total zero because you did show up to the place.
[00:44:13]  Yes.
[00:44:13]  So, okay.
[00:44:14]  But then everything fell apart.
[00:44:16]  Everything fell apart after that.
[00:44:17]  If it was an auto goalpe, I think it remains to be seen what score it is then.
[00:44:24]  But it.
[00:44:25]  Yeah, that's well, because we don't have to judge its success by how well our say does now.
[00:44:32]  If it was, in fact, for him to gin up some support or shore up power or whatever.
[00:44:37]  But I've heard that he's hired notorious pollster Sean McElwey to go down to Bolivia.
[00:44:43]  And he's been scouring the mountain villages, iPad in hand and a five dice in the other in order to see what exactly is going on out there.
[00:45:07]  Now we turn our attention to another coup, a coup in process, a potential coup in process that we have.
[00:45:15]  Obviously, we were talking about it last episode.
[00:45:17]  Everyone's talking about every episode, so we got to talk about this episode.
[00:45:20]  And that is the Deep State is after old man Joe.
[00:45:26]  I want to push back on that really quick because I actually think that they're after you and that he's just in the way.
[00:45:33]  They should start doing those memes.
[00:45:35]  I have a lot of thoughts about what they're going in on the news like Trump.
[00:45:40]  Yeah.
[00:45:40]  Like he should be like.
[00:45:42]  Well, it's tough.
[00:45:43]  It's tough.
[00:45:43]  I think the media, I just got to say this really quick.
[00:45:46]  I think the media, the Democrats have a tough relationship because they're like, the media speaks truth to power.
[00:45:52]  Like Trump is such a jerk to George Stephanopoulos or whatever.
[00:45:56]  But then the media is like, you're 100.
[00:45:59]  Right.
[00:46:00]  Finally, they give the okay to say something about that.
[00:46:05]  And then they're like, well, the media actually just wants Trump to be president because they get better ratings.
[00:46:09]  Which I think all criticisms of the media are true in every way.
[00:46:12]  Yeah.
[00:46:13]  But it is, it is very, it's funny.
[00:46:15]  So Biden, as of now, as of recording, although things are moving fast, has come out and he was like, let me say this as clearly as I possibly can, which, to be fair, I think is tough for him.
[00:46:28]  I am running.
[00:46:30]  No one is pushing me out.
[00:46:31]  He said that on the third.
[00:46:32]  Well, you missed the next sentence, which was, yeah.
[00:46:37]  So basically, over the past week, media, backstabbing staffers, interested parties, and Democratic activists have not let up on the pressure to get Joe to step down.
[00:46:54]  Basically, all cable news is devoted to this.
[00:46:57]  Every New York Times column, every politico expose, every posting maniac can't stop talking about how Joe needs to go.
[00:47:07]  And it's like, to get away from politics, a lot of the time I look at this website called old.com, which is just inspiring stories about our elderly.
[00:47:14]  That sounds nice.
[00:47:15]  And they have fucking turned on.
[00:47:16]  Oh, no.
[00:47:16]  It is just the sentence.
[00:47:17]  It was just one of those headlines, just die.
[00:47:20]  Wait, you know, you joke, but there have been people.
[00:47:23]  I saw one reporter.
[00:47:24]  This is how excited and like blood in the water these fucking media ghouls like are right now.
[00:47:30]  Is there was a story that was put out that was like, we interviewed people Joe Biden's age, just like not even related to, just old people.
[00:47:39]  I did.
[00:47:39]  They can talk better than him.
[00:47:41]  I was like, come on.
[00:47:43]  I read a report from like Politico sent probably some like 22-year-old reporter to, I believe it was Politico, to an old folks home to watch the debate.
[00:47:52]  Oh, no.
[00:47:52]  And they were like, he's too old.
[00:47:54]  Yeah.
[00:47:55]  Joe, just let go, dude.
[00:48:00]  So I do want to say, so now, among all those stories, obviously, they're saying he's got to go.
[00:48:06]  We've got to replace the candidate are sort of ideas on how that would work.
[00:48:11]  Yeah, we're starting to see that play it out now.
[00:48:13]  And so I want to kind of break down some possibilities here.
[00:48:18]  There was Clyburn came out and was like, oh, maybe we could have a mini primary.
[00:48:22]  You've heard this term being thrown around, a mini primary.
[00:48:24]  I had not seen that.
[00:48:26]  I don't know exactly what that means, although I have some ideas.
[00:48:29]  Yeah, mini primary, mini debate.
[00:48:31]  I assume other mini events.
[00:48:33]  I think it should be with miniatures, but I don't think that's what he means.
[00:48:36]  I think what he means is online.
[00:48:39]  I'll talk about that.
[00:48:39]  It should be an online debate.
[00:48:41]  Well, I'm going to talk.
[00:48:41]  Yes.
[00:48:42]  So some background on this.
[00:48:44]  By DNC rules, like if this were to go down, how could it go down?
[00:48:49]  So in case you don't know how this works, candidates are, you know, for the convention, they're supposed to get a share of delegates from each state in proportion to how many votes they got in the primary of that state.
[00:49:00]  Okay.
[00:49:00]  Then the one, the candidate with the most delegates gets the nomination.
[00:49:05]  Okay, easy.
[00:49:06]  There are 4,000 total delegates.
[00:49:09]  Biden has 3,900.
[00:49:12]  In addition to that, there are 700 super delegates.
[00:49:15]  Remember those?
[00:49:16]  Oh, yeah.
[00:49:17]  So those don't actually vote until like the second or third round if there isn't a consensus winner on the first ballot.
[00:49:25]  So we don't have to worry about them yet.
[00:49:27]  Now, a lot of people have brought up that delegates, like technically, they can vote however they want.
[00:49:34]  There was like the conscience of a delegate.
[00:49:36]  People love saying these like kind of like political junkie types that watch the West Wing.
[00:49:41]  They're like, well, the conscience of a delegate exists.
[00:49:45]  And so they think we could have faithless electors and the conscience of a delegate.
[00:49:50]  That you'd have these people that were like, I'm the delegate, but I'm not going to vote how my state wants me to vote.
[00:49:56]  I'm going to vote my conscience, which is to not vote for him because he's old.
[00:50:00]  So people are like, that could happen.
[00:50:03]  There's a little bit of a catch there, which is that per DNC rules, all of the candidate can actually review who their delegates are and then replace them.
[00:50:15]  So you could replace all delegates with loyalists who will vote for you.
[00:50:18]  Yeah.
[00:50:19]  Well, I think the thing that doesn't make sense though, though, is I don't feel like anything would happen unless Biden was like, I'm dropping out.
[00:50:25]  Well, I'm just saying this is what I'm saying.
[00:50:28]  Yeah, this is just, yeah, okay, I gotcha.
[00:50:30]  Right.
[00:50:30]  Now, basically, all of this needs to get hammered out before the DNC, right?
[00:50:39]  Yeah, well, that's okay.
[00:50:40]  That's in what, two, three years?
[00:50:42]  No, it's like next five weeks.
[00:50:44]  So if he does drop out before the formal nomination, which happens, well, I'll talk about that in a second, but let's say it happens at the convention, even though it probably won't.
[00:50:54]  Let's say it happens.
[00:50:55]  Then there's no process in place.
[00:50:58]  There's no official process in place for picking a new candidate.
[00:51:01]  And it's just a free-for-all.
[00:51:03]  And I assume that there will be a Twitter poll and then whoever posts the hardest wins.
[00:51:08]  That's how I assume this is going to happen, according to the people who seem to be running the show here.
[00:51:14]  That's why you have all these people coming up with these like weird ideas for mini primaries because they can't, they don't know what's, there's no process in place.
[00:51:21]  Yeah.
[00:51:21]  Okay.
[00:51:21]  The head of the DNC is Jamie Harrison, who is not like, do you remember Donna Brazil?
[00:51:27]  Oh, yeah.
[00:51:28]  How could you not?
[00:51:29]  How can you?
[00:51:30]  The queen.
[00:51:30]  She's a beautiful queen.
[00:51:32]  Yeah.
[00:51:32]  And she wrote in her, remember her tell-all book where she was like struggle.
[00:51:38]  She was saying all these like nasty ass things about Hillary Clinton.
[00:51:42]  I don't, but I like it.
[00:51:42]  You remember?
[00:51:43]  Well, she said in her book, she was like, when Hillary fell on 9-11, remember?
[00:51:50]  I.
[00:51:51]  Yeah, and I don't think it's actually that funny to joke about.
[00:51:53]  But Dawn of Brazil was like, I thought about replacing her.
[00:51:58]  She wrote this in her book.
[00:51:59]  Chelsea.
[00:52:00]  Yes.
[00:52:00]  But then she said, but I couldn't, in good conscience, do that to the nation or whatever the fuck she said.
[00:52:05]  Right.
[00:52:05]  Now, because at the time there was sort of some stuff in place for that.
[00:52:09]  Jamie Harrison is not Dawn of Brazil.
[00:52:11]  He is a Biden man through and through.
[00:52:13]  In fact, he is like such a Biden man that he's on Twitter right now replying to what I assume are bots.
[00:52:21]  Being like Biden is great.
[00:52:23]  Your pussy's not actually in your bio.
[00:52:25]  What are you talking about?
[00:52:26]  No, he's like, someone was like, you know, he's got to go.
[00:52:29]  And he's like, no, he doesn't.
[00:52:30]  Like, he's literally like arguing with people on Twitter.
[00:52:33]  So that's great.
[00:52:36]  The plan is that here's the thing.
[00:52:38]  They're going to nominate Joe before the convention.
[00:52:41]  We talked about this last episode.
[00:52:43]  Yeah.
[00:52:43]  They, now they pushed the convention out late into the end of August.
[00:52:48]  It's on August 19th.
[00:52:50]  They did this one because they wanted to do it after the RNC, but also because of the Olympics.
[00:52:54]  They didn't want to compete with TV Raidens.
[00:52:57]  So it's later than it should be.
[00:52:59]  This caused like some technical issues.
[00:53:02]  I mentioned this, but basically like Ohio had this law on its books.
[00:53:06]  It was like, oh, in order to be on the actual ballot in November, you need to be officially nominated 90 days before the election.
[00:53:14]  That would not have been the case with when the official nomination would happen at the DNC with this like pushed out calendar.
[00:53:22]  So they were like, oh, we got to figure out how to do it before then.
[00:53:25]  And then obviously Ohio was like, no, we just started changing the rules so we could do it in 65 days.
[00:53:30]  Yeah.
[00:53:30]  And weirdly, the Democrats were like, no, we still want to do it.
[00:53:36]  Because they're like, we don't trust the Republican-controlled sense.
[00:53:41]  Because that would be huge.
[00:53:43]  Like, that would be like a precipice level event.
[00:53:47]  Yeah.
[00:53:48]  It's barred that one of the major problems.
[00:53:50]  The candidate will be on the ballot.
[00:53:51]  It's so stupid.
[00:53:52]  So you do have to question why they insisted on this virtual official nomination process.
[00:53:59]  Yeah.
[00:54:00]  And I will get to some ideas about that in a second when we get to Liz's tinfoil hat corner, my favorite corner.
[00:54:05]  Your tinfoil MIA beer corner.
[00:54:07]  Yes.
[00:54:08]  No, you know what?
[00:54:09]  I don't like the tinfoil like street wear thing.
[00:54:12]  I'm like classico style.
[00:54:14]  I'm going to make my own tinfoil hat.
[00:54:16]  You're going to do it yourself?
[00:54:17]  Yeah, just a little coon hat.
[00:54:19]  I use lambskin hats.
[00:54:20]  Interesting.
[00:54:21]  Because I relate to tinfoil.
[00:54:24]  Okay.
[00:54:24]  So anyway, they're insisting on doing this virtual nomination.
[00:54:29]  Yeah.
[00:54:30]  Literally Zoom.
[00:54:31]  And I was reading the way, like, some how some guys were defending this, and they were like, well, you know, we had such, we did such a good job when it was during COVID.
[00:54:39]  We did.
[00:54:40]  And I'm like, what?
[00:54:42]  What?
[00:54:43]  That was the craziest.
[00:54:44]  Like, first of all, nobody cares.
[00:54:46]  And also, it was insane.
[00:54:47]  It was on Zoom.
[00:54:48]  It was like a Zoom convention.
[00:54:49]  It was the weirdest looking thing in the world.
[00:54:51]  But so they love it.
[00:54:52]  So they're moving ahead with the virtual nomination.
[00:54:55]  So sick.
[00:54:56]  And I also think this is going to look really weird and be fodder for Trump's campaign.
[00:54:59]  But what do I know?
[00:55:01]  Now, there isn't exactly an official date when they're going to do this.
[00:55:07]  So, sorry, you know more about this than me.
[00:55:09]  So I have to ask a clarifying question here.
[00:55:11]  Question.
[00:55:12]  My thing with the domination.
[00:55:13]  The domination.
[00:55:14]  The nomination was that right.
[00:55:16]  Well, like the DNC, the DNC.
[00:55:19]  The dominating naughty camp.
[00:55:22]  Racist being dominated by Democrats.
[00:55:25]  Not me, but many, many political commentators apparently do.
[00:55:33]  It's like the whole point of the DNC is that you nominate the guy for president, right?
[00:55:37]  Officially.
[00:55:38]  They do other stuff, I think.
[00:55:40]  There's like people that give speeches.
[00:55:41]  That's like it.
[00:55:42]  But the point of it is you're like, this guy is the president.
[00:55:45]  Yes.
[00:55:45]  So they do the official nomination process.
[00:55:47]  If they do that on the internet before that.
[00:55:51]  Yes.
[00:55:52]  What's the DNC?
[00:55:53]  It's TV.
[00:55:55]  Okay, just TV.
[00:55:57]  Yeah.
[00:55:58]  Okay.
[00:55:59]  That answers my question now.
[00:56:01]  I mean, I don't think there's any, I mean, well, good question.
[00:56:04]  If they nominate the guy before officially, then yes, it's TV, but As I'm going to get to, there is a formal process in place to replace the candidate after they've been officially nominated.
[00:56:20]  And that is gladiatorial style combat.
[00:56:23]  Yeah, kind of.
[00:56:24]  Really?
[00:56:25]  So, I mean, you know, mentally speaking.
[00:56:29]  So, like I said, they're trying to figure out when they're going to do this virtual nomination proceeding.
[00:56:38]  I mean, literally like a Zoom nomination.
[00:56:40]  It could be as early as mid-July.
[00:56:43]  Bloomberg was saying that.
[00:56:44]  I think it was supposed to be early August, but now they're talking about moving it up, which is really weird.
[00:56:51]  Which means that like the Biden kudoers in the media class have like a two-week window to really like push this shit hard.
[00:56:59]  But my thing is like, okay, so like I said, there is no formal process for picking a candidate if he drops out before the official nomination, which would make it way messier, way more chaotic.
[00:57:11]  You'd have no, no one would have any control or any kind of real feel for how like a candidate would be picked.
[00:57:19]  Yeah.
[00:57:20]  It could, it would be like celebrity death menu.
[00:57:22]  Like we don't know what would be.
[00:57:23]  On Twitter.
[00:57:24]  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:57:26]  And it would guarantee going to a contested convention, which would could be like very weird.
[00:57:31]  And we need unity to save democracy from Donald Trump.
[00:57:35]  Yes.
[00:57:36]  Yeah, that is.
[00:57:37]  But there is, like I said, there is a formal process for picking a candidate if they drop out after they've been officially nominated.
[00:57:45]  So in that instance, the DNC picks the candidate.
[00:57:51]  Sick.
[00:57:51]  Which is not the delegates, but the actual committee, which are about 500 members, which would happen in a closed door meeting, not in an open convention where, you know, anyone can like vie for delegates and win people over and make deals and chaos, chaos, chaos.
[00:58:11]  Tinfoil hat.
[00:58:12]  So I'm just saying, perhaps that's actually, for some people in the party, a more desirable outcome if they were to replace the candidate.
[00:58:22]  Don't do it before he's been nominated.

=== Funny Funny People Vote (10:03) ===

[00:58:24]  Get him up there.
[00:58:25]  Then get him to step down.
[00:58:27]  And then I'm just going to do it.
[00:58:30]  Game theory here.
[00:58:32]  Hillary.
[00:58:33]  You think Hillary Clinton?
[00:58:37]  You want.
[00:58:39]  This is what I'm hoping happens.
[00:58:41]  I have like a weird feeling.
[00:58:42]  I mean, either Kamala or like barring that, it's going to be some like fucking governor I've never heard of.
[00:58:47]  Yeah.
[00:58:48]  Like some joke motherfucker.
[00:58:51]  But I can see that happening.
[00:58:54]  I can't see, I don't know.
[00:58:55]  Who knows?
[00:58:56]  But I would.
[00:58:57]  Not Hillary.
[00:58:57]  No, but I can see.
[00:58:59]  I can see just like them be like, what's this guy?
[00:59:02]  I can see Hillary.
[00:59:02]  She just got that new facelift.
[00:59:04]  Well, so did Biden.
[00:59:05]  And it needs to be seen.
[00:59:07]  It needs to be seen.
[00:59:09]  No, all jokes aside, yeah, people are floating all these.
[00:59:12]  A lot of people are talking about Kamala, and I want to talk about that.
[00:59:15]  Uh-huh.
[00:59:16]  But before I do that, I think I still, I still think that Joe can hold on.
[00:59:24]  You think that he's got, he's, he's, he's, he's the goat, maybe?
[00:59:29]  No, I just think that I do think that if he digs in, is he, I, the problem is, is that he can't actually like come out and be like, see, I'm fine.
[00:59:37]  Because, like, he's not.
[00:59:38]  He's not.
[00:59:39]  He's not doing that.
[00:59:40]  So it's difficult.
[00:59:41]  Well, the Pope was pulling the strings.
[00:59:43]  Yeah, it's difficult to kind of like figure out what to do.
[00:59:46]  One of my suggestions would be: so I think that he needs like to kind of like he's trying to show that he's like young and vital and can like do stuff.
[00:59:59]  Yeah.
[01:00:00]  The problem is you can't.
[01:00:01]  Yes.
[01:00:01]  So I'm just like, double down.
[01:00:03]  Just be like, I'm old.
[01:00:05]  I'm old, but guess what?
[01:00:07]  Wisdom.
[01:00:08]  Or just like, I'm old.
[01:00:09]  I'm so old.
[01:00:11]  You're right.
[01:00:12]  What do people say?
[01:00:12]  You're right.
[01:00:13]  I'm old.
[01:00:14]  Guess who else is old?
[01:00:16]  Donald Trump.
[01:00:17]  And God.
[01:00:18]  I think that like Trump is trying to run this thing where he is like, I'm, oh, look at how like more manly I am.
[01:00:27]  And, you know, I'm not impotent.
[01:00:28]  I'm like, Biro, I'm young.
[01:00:30]  I'm ready to go versus like, oh man, Biden.
[01:00:34]  Yeah.
[01:00:34]  And the way to counter that is to call his bluff and just be like, no, you're old too.
[01:00:39]  We're old.
[01:00:40]  This is about two old guys.
[01:00:41]  We're two old men.
[01:00:42]  Two grumpy old men.
[01:00:44]  But he's old too.
[01:00:45]  He's really old too.
[01:00:46]  So what you think his strategy should be like, I'm bad, but he's also bad.
[01:00:51]  I think the problem though is that Trump is visibly able to speak in sentences.
[01:00:55]  Well, the thing that Trump has learned is that, and this, you got to give him credit, he finally learned how to shut up.
[01:01:01]  Yes.
[01:01:01]  Because he hasn't been saying shit and just letting the Biden people implode.
[01:01:04]  Sun Tzu speaks it.
[01:01:05]  Yes.
[01:01:06]  It's true.
[01:01:06]  Sun Tuze speaks it later.
[01:01:08]  The other thing, I do think that Biden, I was thinking that he should, I think that what if he started the new campaign song with Chumbawumba?
[01:01:22]  With can we play it right now?
[01:01:24]  Do I get knocked out?
[01:01:25]  Yes.
[01:01:26]  Because first of all, while he might not physically be able to get back up again, I think everyone, first of all, everyone loves that song.
[01:01:34]  It's a great song.
[01:01:34]  It's a great song.
[01:01:35]  Literally, can we play it right now?
[01:01:36]  Oh, like in the studio.
[01:01:38]  Yeah, because it feels good.
[01:01:39]  Yeah.
[01:01:48]  It'll get stuck in people's head and then they'll just like automatically vote for Joe Biden.
[01:01:58]  Can't you see his like blank face kind of like move into it?
[01:02:01]  See him like kind of I could see him standing completely rigid and still while this song plays and everyone around him reacts and you realize you're not just looking at a still phone.
[01:02:09]  And then the balloons drop, you can, you know, whatever, and everyone's like, man, I love this song.
[01:02:13]  And you forget and you're like, oh, but he does get back up again.
[01:02:16]  It's okay.
[01:02:17]  He's old.
[01:02:18]  See, he's old.
[01:02:18]  It's fine.
[01:02:19]  He's old.
[01:02:20]  I'm just like, can't go together.
[01:02:21]  Can't they just put his brain in his son's body?
[01:02:24]  It's crazy that Hunter is advising.
[01:02:27]  I guess his brain's part of the problem.
[01:02:29]  Get out style, but everybody's way.
[01:02:30]  Yeah.
[01:02:31]  No, he said his brain was the problem.
[01:02:33]  He said, Yeah.
[01:02:34]  Well, Hunter's had a couple, some problems with brain as well.
[01:02:37]  He, it is insane that Hunter is like cloistered in camp, whatever, Camp Biden, being like, Dad, you fucking are so smart and good.
[01:02:48]  You got to stay in.
[01:02:49]  I think because part of him is like, please stay in so I don't go to prison.
[01:02:53]  Because I think that that probably does have an effect on that.
[01:02:58]  I am obviously joking about Joe Biden's campaign, although I do think it is.
[01:03:03]  They should put him in a Gundam.
[01:03:05]  Well, there was one guy who did suggest a really great idea, in my opinion, where he wrote an op-ed that said, it's time for the Biden campaign to use AI.
[01:03:14]  Oh, yeah.
[01:03:15]  This is a guy who was, to me, he strikes me as like, this is like nobody, but probably someone who like posts a lot on LinkedIn.
[01:03:22]  Like, that's kind of what he's giving.
[01:03:23]  But he said, after the president's dismal debate performance, he noted that it might, he might not walk as easily or talk as smoothly as I used to.
[01:03:31]  And then he says, AI could help with this.
[01:03:33]  And he goes on talking about how they should use AI.
[01:03:36]  It's a very funny story.
[01:03:39]  But I don't want, now we're talking about Joe Biden too much, and I don't really want to talk about him because the person I want to talk about is Kamala.
[01:03:46]  And I need to be fucking hater number one here because I am fucking sick of these ironic Kamala shit posters and people trying to meme Kamala into being like, oh, she should just be president instead of Joe.
[01:04:06]  I want to say that I think it's tough that people are running into something tough here because on a purely human objective level, I don't, the words don't make sense, but imagine I'm modifying the sentence that I'm about to say.
[01:04:21]  She is funny, right?
[01:04:24]  You have this woman who like how Hoda is funny.
[01:04:26]  Yes.
[01:04:27]  In precisely the same way that Hoda is funny.
[01:04:30]  Or like Stephen Smith or something like that.
[01:04:32]  Like she's kind of Stephen A. Smith.
[01:04:34]  Stephen A. Smith is actually is genuinely funny.
[01:04:36]  He.
[01:04:37]  He's actually, she's not funny like Stephen Smith.
[01:04:40]  He's really, he's got some genuine talent.
[01:04:42]  Yeah.
[01:04:42]  He's juiced.
[01:04:43]  Yeah, he's juiced.
[01:04:45]  But Kamala is, she says really funny long sentences.
[01:04:49]  Or like more like it's funny that she's saying them because she is almost like a, has like a kind of negative charisma that like bends itself around to be charming on like a level that is actually less than charming, but approximates something that is reaching towards charming.
[01:05:07]  And so, and also for many years.
[01:05:09]  She's like a tipsy aunt.
[01:05:10]  She's like a tipsy aunt and for many years was essentially like shunted to like really out of the limelight in any way.
[01:05:18]  And to the point where like you kind of forget that she's there.
[01:05:21]  Yeah, I mean, I see the Biden people basically were like, where can we send her so she's not doing anything?
[01:05:26]  One, because she's a perennial loser.
[01:05:28]  Yes.
[01:05:29]  She's incredibly unpopular.
[01:05:32]  And she has the ability to sort of like just speak and sing song in ways that are, you know, kind of confusing and unrelatable.
[01:05:44]  Well, it's a song that perhaps we can't, we don't yet know the rhythm of.
[01:05:52]  But she, she is, she was very easy to sort of like have, be like a joke funny figure because she is funny and she's like had essentially like no, she's a vice president's, famously are like kind of yes, I feel.
[01:06:07]  I fucking said on the podcast that I thought she was funny.
[01:06:10]  She is funny, she's funny, this isn't funny.
[01:06:12]  However, now the stakes are different.
[01:06:16]  Well, it's not even about her.
[01:06:17]  This is what annoys me.
[01:06:18]  There are, there is a whole coterie of people from NEW YORK Times op-ed like media people to substack media people to Twitter shit posters to I don't know everyone trying to everyone in between that has aspirations to be a NEW YORK Times op-ed writer.
[01:06:38]  Right, you have a dispersed media class that I fucking loathe who have all come out en masse ironically supporting Kamala and it's turned into non-irony.
[01:06:50]  And what pisses me off is that half of those fucking people especially those who are, you know, claimed to have, you know, left-leaning bona fides or whatever, are you know spent the last like six, seven months being like, I will never vote for Genocide Joe, never vote for Genocide, Joe.
[01:07:09]  And now are finding something they're like, oh, but I'm fine with voting for Kamala one because she's tipsy aunt funny, and aren't we just like making up memes, and isn't this funny?
[01:07:19]  Um, but also, as if she is somehow any different from any sort of like inert Democrat policy or or like orientation of the state towards Israel.
[01:07:32]  Like it's, you're just looking for an excuse to vote Democrat every four years.
[01:07:36]  You see people who have spent the previous three years pretending that they were, you know rah-rah, whatever.
[01:07:43]  Radicals yeah um, Get serious for a moment and like and and and figure out, sometimes desperately, as in this case, a way for them to justify voting for Democrats.
[01:07:59]  And I, you know listen, there's a lot of people that vote for Democrats.
[01:08:04]  There's a lot of people who vote for lots of things.
[01:08:07]  I'm not your parents.
[01:08:08]  I will be one day, and I, in fact, one day when I'm sort of the father of the nation, there won't be any voting at all.
[01:08:17]  But you know, I'm not going.
[01:08:19]  I'm not going in there with you.
[01:08:20]  I will be, but I'm not.
[01:08:22]  Now, just be a Democrat like, just just be one.

=== Desire for Change (13:04) ===

[01:08:28]  Well, I think they are yeah, I know, but like be like I like don't fucking hide it, like don't pretend like under eight shades of embarrassment or like whatever, like oh, I fucking like, like there's so, there's such, so much of like the, the like, the radical rhetoric, and then it then it gets.
[01:08:43]  It becomes this sort of like self-disciplining and then disciplining other people, of like actually, like there's a, there's a palpable, you can feel an almost relief among some people.
[01:08:53]  Yes, that like yes, if Genocide Joe is out of there, then then i'm, i'm sort of cleansed, or the Democratic Party, and thus me, by extension, are cleansed of like any possible moral quandary with the Israel, Palestine stuff, because I can vote for this like funny drunk aunt yeah silly, and actually i'm doing it ironically, kind of yes yeah yeah yeah, and like it, but it's like it's, it's the action, is the action, no matter what you put what, what justification you make for it uh,
[01:09:23]  and it's, it's.
[01:09:24]  I think.
[01:09:25]  I think there is this like this desire from people that like Joe Biden, as like you're sort of punishing Joe Biden by nationally humiliating him, and like having him be a one-term president because his brain, he's too old uh, and then there's this sort of like, like jubilance over like now we can have, like we can vote for Kamala now, and like it's funny and like it's, but also like it it, it.
[01:09:47]  It allows us to shed some of the baggage of the Joe Biden administration, which I think a lot of these same people would have actually very much supported if it hadn't been because the Gaza thing was just it was too tough, tough to swallow.
[01:10:00]  I think too like there is I, I have like a really like what did they say?
[01:10:08]  I get the ick, but it's not the ick.
[01:10:09]  It's like I have a like really, really deep dislike for what I would call like this, this state of like direct to consumer political activism, like how do you mean?
[01:10:19]  Which is this like this?
[01:10:20]  Is this like media class that i'm talking about?
[01:10:23]  That's like in the op-ed pages but posting, but blogging or whatever.
[01:10:27]  And it feels like what, like what i've watched over the past like week and a half is them coming together in a way um to like to oust Joe Biden and to like assert their um, like their power in shaping the minds and opinions of everyone.
[01:10:48]  And I really like don't like it.
[01:10:50]  Yeah.
[01:10:51]  I hate these, I hate this fucking class of people actually.
[01:10:54]  And I don't, I don't support them having lots of lots of political power.
[01:11:00]  But also like in the past 10 years, I think that whole class has become kind of like not just more like vapid and reactive, but like more craven and Hobbes Nian in the sense that like because of this sort of dispersion of social and economic market forces in the field, right?
[01:11:24]  And so like the idea of them kind of coming together and basically like orchestrating this through like sheer force like doesn't sit well with me.
[01:11:32]  Interesting.
[01:11:32]  Yeah.
[01:11:33]  Yeah.
[01:11:33]  And like I hate these people.
[01:11:34]  I hate their politics.
[01:11:35]  I like don't want them to have that outsized power.
[01:11:38]  And I think the other part of it that really like fucking annoys me is that they're using the debate performance as a like excuse, as a sacrificial lamb in a way.
[01:11:47]  Yeah.
[01:11:48]  And like by that, I mean like the reason that Joe Biden is unpopular is not because he's old.
[01:11:54]  Like it's not because he's old.
[01:11:56]  It's because of his record.
[01:11:58]  Like it's because we were just talking about this.
[01:12:00]  It's like people are mad about inflation.
[01:12:02]  It's pretty fucking simple, you guys.
[01:12:04]  Like people are mad about the state.
[01:12:06]  When we went to the Trump rally, right, they're like, are you better off now than you were four years ago?
[01:12:10]  And basically the majority of middle class Americans, whether it's because of them getting squeezed with housing prices or with just like grocery bills or whatever, like would say no.
[01:12:26]  And that's why they don't like Joe Biden.
[01:12:27]  They blame him for that because that's the way the cookie crumbles when you're fucking president.
[01:12:32]  But none of these Democrat media class people want to stand by the record and want to say, it's like they all just like what woke up one day and were like, oh, we didn't know Joe Biden was old.
[01:12:41]  It's like, what are you fucking talking about?
[01:12:43]  No, you didn't realize that he's like that bad of a candidate because people are fucking like the middle class, which is the most powerful class in America, is fucking squeezed.
[01:12:54]  That's what it is.
[01:12:55]  Well, it really reminds me too of like, and this is happening in a lot of like Western European countries too, for instance, is like there is this like hope for somebody who can be like a competent and strong moderator of like modern liberalism, which is like, it's not doing well.
[01:13:15]  I mean, I don't know, I don't, I'm not saying it's going anywhere, but it's just, it's not providing.
[01:13:20]  Yeah.
[01:13:20]  And I think that there is this really strong desire for somebody to like do that well that people want.
[01:13:27]  And whether they kind of mass that desire with radical language or not, it's not really my business.
[01:13:32]  It ends up being the same thing.
[01:13:34]  And I think that like with Biden is, yeah, like people, I think there's just a general sense.
[01:13:39]  And it's so funny because you see Paul's just be like, well, actually, he's doing a really good job.
[01:13:42]  He's like, this and There are discrete things that have happened within the Biden, the four years of the Biden regime that have been good.
[01:13:56]  Overall, I think you would make a hard case for saying that there's anything but like you see declining a foreclosure on a future in a way, I think, in a lot of people's brains that is more is more difficult to sum up and just like there's high inflation.
[01:14:14]  I think there's a general sense of like of hopelessness and limited horizon that like people who have like severe whatever, like 538 brain or whatever, can't necessarily figure out.
[01:14:28]  And I think just on a general human level, I mean, this is pointed out in 2016 when Trump ran in the first place.
[01:14:35]  But like Trump really does have a narrative and there really isn't one from the Democrats because they used the one that they had, which was that they're saving democracy in 2020.
[01:14:44]  And now they're going to save democracy again.
[01:14:46]  But it's like, well, what have the last four years of democracy gotten people?
[01:14:49]  And expensive eggs.
[01:14:51]  Exactly, expensive eggs.
[01:14:52]  And like, you still can't afford a house.
[01:14:55]  Because wages haven't kept up with prices.
[01:14:56]  Yes.
[01:14:57]  I mean, it's really like, I think the problem that these people are running into is that they can't stand by their record.
[01:15:03]  Yeah.
[01:15:04]  And now they don't know what to do.
[01:15:06]  And so they're in freakout mode.
[01:15:07]  And they're like, we'll just replace candidate.
[01:15:09]  But why would you go with Kamal?
[01:15:10]  That's what I don't understand.
[01:15:12]  It's so weird because she's such a loser that it's like, I don't know where they're even getting this idea.
[01:15:18]  I mean, part of it might just be because like it's bad optics to replace like the first, you know, both Asian and black.
[01:15:28]  No, we're unclear on which one.
[01:15:30]  No, no, no.
[01:15:31]  But like Asian and black vice president with like a white guy or white woman, which it seems to be like mostly the Democrats are going to vote for the Democrat anyway.
[01:15:42]  True, I know.
[01:15:42]  Well, yeah, but like, I don't know, I don't know what calculations are going on in these people's brains.
[01:15:47]  I don't know.
[01:15:48]  I don't know.
[01:15:49]  I just think like if they want to win, they should, they should, if they're going to replace him, then they should put someone in that doesn't have to stand by anything that the administration has done.
[01:16:01]  RFK.
[01:16:02]  No, just put someone who's like, who could say, like, when, I mean, when Trump's like, what's the answer when Kamal, when he's like, okay, why did you say that Joe Biden was like running meetings and totally fine?
[01:16:16]  Yeah.
[01:16:16]  Well, I think that she would give like a, I'm going to say like 90 word one sentence answer.
[01:16:22]  That's just like so confusing to fire settings.
[01:16:24]  So many clauses.
[01:16:25]  And it's like, oh, interesting.
[01:16:26]  Yeah.
[01:16:27]  Like I think that, listen, I think that if her metal is tested against Trump, she could possibly create the longest sentence known to man.
[01:16:35]  Like she might say the name of God at some point during a debate.
[01:16:40]  But I think that like, I mean, I don't know, because I have no idea.
[01:16:42]  I mean, Biden is supposed to today at 8 p.m. today, when this episode comes out in like three days.
[01:16:49]  Three days.
[01:16:50]  Whatever.
[01:16:50]  Monday.
[01:16:51]  It's Friday right now.
[01:16:53]  Biden is supposed to give like his like Me Talk Pretty one Day interview with George Stephanopoulos.
[01:17:01]  It's supposed to be like 15, 10 minutes.
[01:17:02]  I know.
[01:17:03]  Well, it's supposed to be two hours.
[01:17:04]  I don't know if it's going to be.
[01:17:06]  Well, I don't know if that counts commercials or not.
[01:17:09]  But we should have done an ad buy.
[01:17:11]  We should have done a fucking ad by.
[01:17:15]  But I think that like, listen, the situation is fluid.
[01:17:19]  The situation is fluid.
[01:17:21]  The political situation right now, you might even say it's incontinent.
[01:17:24]  Well, it is.
[01:17:25]  Like, I do think his campaign has been so weird because it's like as if they forgot that to do a campaign.
[01:17:31]  Like, why didn't you start doing this like two years ago?
[01:17:35]  It's like they were like, well, we'll just do the debate and everything will be fine.
[01:17:38]  It does seem reminiscent of like the Hillary 2016 campaign where they're like, we're good, we're good, we're good.
[01:17:45]  And I'm like, I guess like, you know, it's not my problem, but they, you know, they know more than me.
[01:17:51]  Maybe they are.
[01:17:51]  Maybe their numbers are saying the right thing.
[01:17:53]  But I'm like, I think that they like, I think that Biden might just be surrounded by, fuck dude, I wish it was me so bad.
[01:18:00]  I think he might just be surrounded by sycophants of a level that.
[01:18:03]  Yeah.
[01:18:04]  But could he even really understand a sycophant now?
[01:18:07]  Like if you're like, if you're saying yes to him, he doesn't know what he asks.
[01:18:09]  He definitely can't say the word sycophant.
[01:18:12]  Sisyphus.
[01:18:14]  He said it was a, he said, he's doing that thing that I do where he's just saying he's other races now.
[01:18:19]  He went at it's there's been like a took it from Kamala.
[01:18:25]  They said he's been doing like a, he's been doing, or Warren, he's been doing like a, a few media hits in the past few days and like they're not good.
[01:18:34]  Well, that's the problem is that there's no way to save the campaign because the way to save the campaign is for him to come out and be like, that's why he's got to double down and just be like, I'm old.
[01:18:41]  Yeah.
[01:18:42]  Because what else are you going to say?
[01:18:43]  Well, listen, it just says Biden on the ballot.
[01:18:48]  It doesn't say which Biden.
[01:18:50]  I'm saying this.
[01:18:51]  You might think I'm about to say Hunter.
[01:18:52]  I'm saying Dr. Jill.
[01:18:54]  Get in there.
[01:18:55]  Because this country is hurting.
[01:18:56]  And we need someone who I assume is a medical doctor to be.
[01:19:00]  I don't want anyone to answer any questions about that.
[01:19:02]  I don't answer any questions about that.
[01:19:06]  Yeah, I will say something about this.
[01:19:07]  She prescribed me OxyContin in massive doses in 2008 and just has got no media play for that.
[01:19:13]  I think he should just, all you got to do is say, I'm old and let the Trumble Bamba do the talking.
[01:19:18]  I get no doubts, but I can old again.
[01:19:20]  Yeah, I think that he should I think that he should fake a heart attack on stage.
[01:19:27]  Yeah.
[01:19:27]  Like start be like, my fellow, and like go back, go back.
[01:19:31]  Larse.
[01:19:32]  No, like James Brown.
[01:19:33]  Like, be like, oh, oh, oh, and like, go back.
[01:19:36]  And, like, they put a cape on him.
[01:19:38]  And then, like, he slowly lifts himself up.
[01:19:41]  And someone takes the cape off.
[01:19:42]  And he hobbles back to the stadium.
[01:19:44]  He says, I beat it.
[01:19:45]  I fucking beat it.
[01:19:47]  I mean, at this point, his only surrogate.
[01:19:50]  He's got a Lazarus.
[01:19:50]  He's got to go Lazarus mode.
[01:19:52]  He needs a literal surrogate for his circulation.
[01:19:55]  And like, they need to put his soul into another vessel, like a Frankenstein.
[01:19:59]  I think you should get Fetterman out there.
[01:20:01]  I think you should just get everybody who's all fucked up out there.
[01:20:04]  I think you should get Fetterman.
[01:20:06]  I think you should get Gabby Gifford.
[01:20:07]  I think he should get, fuck it, make the move, RFK.
[01:20:10]  I think he should get... Jimmy Carter.
[01:20:13]  I think he should get Carter out there.
[01:20:14]  I think he should get Beetlejuice from Stern.
[01:20:16]  Yeah, just start appearing with people who are older than you.
[01:20:19]  Or just like, I think he should just get a crew of freaks out there.
[01:20:23]  Because it's like, okay, you see an old man by itself.
[01:20:26]  You're like, that's fucking sad.
[01:20:28]  You see, I'm the world.
[01:20:29]  He should start telling people he's 150.
[01:20:31]  I'm the world's oldest man.
[01:20:33]  Yeah.
[01:20:33]  Like, oh, yeah, I remember when I met Lincoln.
[01:20:35]  I was a baby.
[01:20:37]  And like, well, no, that still wouldn't match up.
[01:20:39]  Lincoln had been dead for like 20 years, 150 years ago.
[01:20:43]  But he should get like freaks around.
[01:20:44]  He could be older than us.
[01:20:46]  It's true.
[01:20:46]  You can say he's 200.
[01:20:47]  Why not?
[01:20:48]  He could say he is Lincoln.
[01:20:50]  He's old.
[01:20:51]  I say this.
[01:20:52]  That's what he said.
[01:20:52]  My name is Joe Biden and I'm old.
[01:20:56]  Just get it out there.
[01:20:56]  My name is Biden and I'm old.
[01:20:58]  And then what are they going to say?
[01:20:59]  He should start being like, you're aged.
[01:21:01]  Y'all are agist.
[01:21:02]  What's more brat-coated than refusing to step down from the office of the president?
[01:21:07]  And wearing a diaper.
[01:21:08]  Like, I think that wearing a diaper to me is one of the things that little kids do, and people love children.
[01:21:13]  So I think he should embrace that and start maybe hitting us with a couple Google Gagas once in a while.
[01:21:19]  Maybe imagine if Trump was like, you're fucking old.
[01:21:24]  And he went, nah, I'm a baby.
[01:21:26]  Yeah, say he's Benjamin Button.
[01:21:28]  He should say I'm actually one right now.
[01:21:31]  This is this is.

=== Whip Up Those Votes (01:33) ===

[01:21:32]  I think we're cooking here.
[01:21:34]  I think we're cooking here.
[01:21:35]  I will say, or.
[01:21:36]  I do like him like a fake death.
[01:21:39]  Fake his death.
[01:21:40]  Yeah, fake his death.
[01:21:40]  Think come back.
[01:21:41]  Stronger than ever.
[01:21:42]  Stronger than ever.
[01:21:44]  Stronger together.
[01:21:46]  And, you know, that could work.
[01:21:50]  Barring that, I think that, you know, I talked to my vice presidential pick yesterday at the Coney Island Boardwalk.
[01:21:57]  I think that me and Curtis are ready.
[01:21:58]  Okay.
[01:21:59]  I think we do a yin-yang.
[01:22:00]  You could step up.
[01:22:01]  I think we do it East Meets West.
[01:22:02]  Well, East Meets West.
[01:22:03]  And I think that I've already got my whole crew ready.
[01:22:06]  I got dump truck and Montfort.
[01:22:10]  Whip up those votes on the second round.
[01:22:12]  Whip up the votes in the second round.
[01:22:13]  Plus, he's got his heavies that can go around and just beat the fuck out of those 55-year-olds who are like, Sharma, you're from Iowa.
[01:22:19]  And I think we can fucking house that convention.
[01:22:22]  But you couldn't take Hillary.
[01:22:24]  If she throws her hat in the ring, God help us all.
[01:22:28]  I could give her.
[01:22:30]  I think those two deserve another tango.
[01:22:32]  I was just gonna say.
[01:22:33]  I've been holding this back, but I have one of the deadliest STDs known to man that a one-of-one copy that I made for myself in a lab.
[01:22:40]  Patient Zero.
[01:22:41]  Patient Zero.
[01:22:41]  And I've never, I've never been able to.
[01:22:43]  I think I would give that to Hillary if she tried to beat me.
[01:22:46]  She couldn't survive it.
[01:22:49]  My name is Brace.
[01:22:53]  I'm Liz.
[01:22:55]  We're, of course, joined by producer Young Chomsky.
[01:22:58]  And what's that?
[01:22:58]  Wow, wow, wow, Mr. Fireworks.
[01:23:03]  And this has been Tronon.
[01:23:05]  We'll see you next time.