True Anon Truth Feed - Episode 346: Gaddafi's Gold
Aired: 2024-01-11
Duration: 01:36:58


=== Tunnels And The Morlock Theory (07:31) ===

[00:00:00]  Brace.
[00:00:01]  Liz.
[00:00:01]  Can I say something without being without sounding anti-Semitic?
[00:00:06]  That would be a first.
[00:00:08]  I actually would ask you the same question.
[00:00:10]  Can you say something without being anti-Semitic?
[00:00:13]  Hey, be real.
[00:00:15]  Okay.
[00:00:15]  Be for real.
[00:00:16]  I'll be for real, and I'll tell you, I'll be for real, and I'll answer you completely honestly.
[00:00:21]  Okay.
[00:00:22]  Remember, you're my friend, confidant, creative partner.
[00:00:27]  Many things that I can't say to the audience.
[00:00:31]  Yeah, because that would be things that I could probably say, certain words that you couldn't, because they would have a different context coming from there.
[00:00:40]  Do you remember when I told you about seeing mole people?
[00:00:45]  Yeah, I do.
[00:00:46]  You said you saw a mole person in the J church going down into, I guess it would be towards Van S station on the J.
[00:00:55]  Okay, so just want to put that aside for a second.
[00:01:00]  What's up with the Hasidic tunnels?
[00:01:02]  It's interesting you would ask me that.
[00:01:06]  First of all, because while I'm Jewish, I'm not Hasidic.
[00:01:10]  Well, I'm no longer Hasidic.
[00:01:12]  And second, it's interesting that you would ask me that immediately asking me about mole people, because I understand the connection you're trying to make here is that you think that Jews are possibly a, at least Hasidic Jews, are possibly a malformed race of underground mutants, kind of like the, is it Morlocks?
[00:01:29]  Yes.
[00:01:29]  It's more like kind of like the Morlocks.
[00:01:31]  So what you're asking me is if Morlocks are real and they are both practitioners of, well, a specific brand of Judaism, and if they also might be cross-spread with moles, possibly to start a new race of humans that could better weather nuclear apocalypse.
[00:01:50]  You know, I'm constantly setting you up for jokes.
[00:01:52]  I'm giving you so much.
[00:01:54]  I give you so much.
[00:01:55]  And what do you do?
[00:01:56]  You tear me down.
[00:01:57]  I don't tear you down.
[00:01:58]  You're right, 100%.
[00:01:59]  This is something that we've been keeping from you guys for a long time.
[00:02:03]  We've been fucking mole women.
[00:02:14]  The thing with the tunnels is like, well, I've got a lot of things with the tunnels.
[00:02:33]  Real quick.
[00:02:34]  You do?
[00:02:35]  Where were they going?
[00:02:36]  So as far as I can understand, I spent a long time last night talking to people who would have a better view of the situation than I would.
[00:02:47]  Mole people.
[00:02:48]  No, no.
[00:02:50]  Underground.
[00:02:51]  Just other Jewish people, but people who have more interactions with the site.
[00:02:58]  Hole diggers.
[00:02:59]  Hole diggers.
[00:03:00]  Yeah.
[00:03:01]  No one really has a straight answer over all of the questions that are raised by the videos of the tunnels underneath the I guess it's a synagogue, but it's also just like a center in Crown Heights.
[00:03:19]  From what I can understand from a video that I saw that wasn't part of that thread of videos that was on Twitter, that they were digging from just like one part of the building to the other.
[00:03:32]  That's what they say.
[00:03:33]  Well, I don't really understand how they would dig anywhere else, but there do seem to be exits that go outside of the building as well.
[00:03:41]  The thing that I don't understand is that there were beer cans down there.
[00:03:45]  They're partying.
[00:03:45]  They were definitely partying down there.
[00:03:46]  A lot of people don't know this, but Hasidic Jews party in crazy ways.
[00:03:54]  Like they get wasted, but like in secret.
[00:04:00]  Like they don't do it like it's like they'll do it like in the dark or like in a closet or in the tunnels and stuff like that.
[00:04:08]  Like people were bringing, like they were bringing those mattresses out of the out of the tunnels and people were like, they're like, you know, having sex or they're raping down there.
[00:04:18]  It's like, I'm almost positive that that's probably wine stains or like poo.
[00:04:23]  Because like those guys get fucked up.
[00:04:27]  And so from what I can understand is that there's like a group of there's all these like Chabad guys.
[00:04:34]  Some of them think the Messiah came already.
[00:04:39]  Some of them think he was just a rabbi.
[00:04:41]  And then there's like a group of them who are like, he is legit the Messiah and like he's going to come back.
[00:04:50]  Like all Jews will be raised from the dead, blah, blah, blah.
[00:04:52]  And I think these are part of maybe those groups of like, you see those Messiah here posters around?
[00:04:58]  No.
[00:04:59]  You know what I'm talking about?
[00:05:00]  Yeah.
[00:05:00]  They're like all over like the back of like light poles and stuff.
[00:05:03]  They're like say Messiah is here and have them.
[00:05:05]  And there's a group of guys from Israel that is apparently this group of fellows who were tunneling.
[00:05:13]  And they did say that they were looking at revoking their visas.
[00:05:16]  Yes, yeah, yeah.
[00:05:17]  They're from Israel, which is really funny.
[00:05:22]  But it's tough out there, man.
[00:05:24]  It's tough out there.
[00:05:26]  It's been rough for the brand for a bit now.
[00:05:30]  We've been having, Jews, we've been having a tough.
[00:05:33]  I'm not going to say we've had the greatest year of our history, but we've had a lot of bad years, I guess.
[00:05:39]  It's a new year.
[00:05:40]  Yeah.
[00:05:41]  Well, it's, it's, yeah, it's, it's been tough.
[00:05:46]  The tunnels don't make it easier, but the tunnels are, I would say, to me, a source of joy and happiness.
[00:05:53]  And I'm glad the tunnels are real.
[00:05:55]  Yeah.
[00:05:55]  And I hope that there's more tunnels.
[00:05:57]  It's always easy to just say, we're trying to go to China.
[00:06:00]  Everyone understands that one.
[00:06:02]  To get the Kaifeng Jews.
[00:06:03]  To get those Chinese, you know, there's like a thousand Chinese Jews, which is cra respect, but kind of crazy.
[00:06:11]  Yeah, I've been thinking about, because I've been in the, like, I go to the tunnels and stuff.
[00:06:15]  Like, like, me and Young Chomsky sometimes go there on like Sundays and stuff.
[00:06:20]  There's, they do pickleball underneath there.
[00:06:22]  And of course, as you know, I'm one of New York's top pickleball players.
[00:06:25]  Remember those diagrams of the Hamanas tunnels?
[00:06:28]  Yeah.
[00:06:28]  They should have added pickleball course in that.
[00:06:30]  That would have been so fucking crazy.
[00:06:33]  But yeah, I'm almost positive it's either part of these guys were trying to like create their own space within the building for like their special sect of insane people or they were having gay sex and drinking down there, which is like a huge possibility too, because like those guys, I mean, I'm not saying these guys in particular, but like guys in that milieu be doing some crazy shit.
[00:06:58]  My friend once picked up a Hasidic guy who was on acid on the side of the BQE.
[00:07:03]  Another girl I know.
[00:07:04]  Pick him up.
[00:07:05]  I used to stand there.
[00:07:06]  I don't know.
[00:07:09]  I've got a no-hitchhiker rule.
[00:07:11]  He's a Hasidic guy.
[00:07:14]  None of my business.
[00:07:14]  I know, but he's got too many.
[00:07:16]  He couldn't chase you.
[00:07:17]  He's too weighed down by all his accoutrements.
[00:07:20]  Ringlets.
[00:07:20]  He's ringlets in his heavy hat and his, you know, his all-but those could also be used easily as a weapon.
[00:07:26]  Yeah, but of course, like you pick up, who is the rule is when you pick up a hitchhiker, you point a gun at them the whole time.

=== Hasidic Tunnel Stories (05:11) ===

[00:07:31]  Oh, okay.
[00:07:32]  And then you're like, it's, you're actually, I've kidnapped you.
[00:07:36]  But another someone else I know, a woman picked up a Hasidic guy whose car had broken down and he refused to talk to her the whole time until she dropped him off.
[00:07:46]  Another guy I know used to buy Coke from Hasidic Guy.
[00:07:49]  I mean, they're rocking.
[00:07:51]  Yeah, they're everywhere.
[00:07:52]  They're everywhere.
[00:07:53]  Again, not trying to sound any type of.
[00:07:55]  Yeah, what do you mean by that?
[00:07:56]  They're everywhere?
[00:07:57]  Hello, everyone.
[00:07:58]  Hello.
[00:07:59]  My name is Brace.
[00:08:01]  I'm Liz.
[00:08:03]  I'm Liz.
[00:08:04]  I'm Liz 2.
[00:08:05]  And, of course, we are joined by Young Chomsky, and the podcast is called – It's called Trunon.
[00:08:12]  Band for Truth.
[00:08:13]  Band for Truth.
[00:08:15]  Maybe we should talk about that Friday more.
[00:08:18]  Yeah, we will have something in the works.
[00:08:19]  We'll get something maybe in the works for that.
[00:08:21]  People can wait.
[00:08:22]  Just wait.
[00:08:23]  Hey, just wait.
[00:08:25]  That's going to be my new thing.
[00:08:26]  More will be.
[00:08:28]  But for Funsie's sake, we'll say we are recording this this morning.
[00:08:33]  Got a little no-tiff on the cellular device that the Truanon account was banned.
[00:08:41]  Banned for Truth.
[00:08:42]  Banned from Twitter.
[00:08:44]  I always, I just assume Banned for Truth.
[00:08:48]  Yeah.
[00:08:49]  I don't know.
[00:08:50]  Yeah, a lot of weird stuff.
[00:08:52]  A lot of weirdness.
[00:08:54]  A lot of funny business on our end, I will say that.
[00:08:57]  Funny business.
[00:08:57]  That's what I'm saying.
[00:08:58]  You know what I think it is?
[00:08:59]  It's because, obviously, Grock's woke.
[00:09:02]  Grock's woke.
[00:09:03]  Yeah.
[00:09:04]  It's due to Grock.
[00:09:05]  Elon probably asked Grock, what's the least woke account on Twitter?
[00:09:08]  And they pointed out mine.
[00:09:10]  Or Arctic on mine.
[00:09:11]  Our account.
[00:09:13]  Which, of course, our unpaid intern is the one who tweets from.
[00:09:18]  Of course.
[00:09:18]  And which we all have access to.
[00:09:20]  We all have access to.
[00:09:21]  And just asked it immediately.
[00:09:26]  And so it's Grock's fault.
[00:09:27]  We're blaming Grok for that.
[00:09:29]  But we were rescued, saved, probably also by the woke.
[00:09:33]  My new thing is that the woke taketh and the woke giveth.
[00:09:37]  To us, the woke is like primitive fire worship that we do.
[00:09:43]  Like we don't understand.
[00:09:44]  We understand that the woke is a source of both sustenance and warmth, but it's also something that is great terror.
[00:09:53]  Yes.
[00:09:54]  That comes and possibly burns the home.
[00:09:56]  It's like the force.
[00:09:58]  It's like the force.
[00:09:58]  Well, it is crazy that something so magnificent, Hasidic Tunnel, video day, could happen at the same time that something so terrible true non-Twitter account banned.
[00:10:09]  I was the only person who could get to the bottom of the Hasidic Tunnel.
[00:10:13]  And I will get to the bottom of the Hasidic Tunnel unless they have.
[00:10:15]  I should just go there after this.
[00:10:17]  Yeah, see what's up.
[00:10:18]  Yeah, I would say.
[00:10:18]  Just be like, hey, what's going on down there?
[00:10:21]  What's going on in the Hasidic Tunnel?
[00:10:22]  Or, here's the new one.
[00:10:24]  Dig yourself to the tunnel.
[00:10:26]  I just, it's crazy.
[00:10:28]  I'm going to dig a tunnel in the middle of the city because I'm like, there's shit down there.
[00:10:32]  Yeah, it's crazy.
[00:10:32]  It's like this took them a year.
[00:10:34]  And like, it's impressive, but like, there's pipes and there's like, you know, electricity things and there's the foundations of the building, which do appear to not be doing super good after that.
[00:10:47]  It's just to have the work phase.
[00:10:50]  Really be committed to tunnel for a year.
[00:10:53]  You really got to do it.
[00:10:54]  You know, to just like be like, you know what?
[00:10:56]  And take your shovel to the wall repeatedly over and over.
[00:11:00]  Like I get prison, obviously, breaking out.
[00:11:03]  So it really, you know, makes you question how they're feeling about being inside the center.
[00:11:08]  Well, I will say, too, it's been crazy to see people be like, dude, like Jewish conspiracy theories about these guys in particular.
[00:11:16]  Because you're like, no, you're thinking of like our kind of Jewish people who like interact with the world more.
[00:11:23]  You know what I mean?
[00:11:25]  These weirdos.
[00:11:25]  These are not guys.
[00:11:29]  Like your conspiracy theories about like, you're literally picking like the they're, I mean, you know, they're not, they don't get out much.
[00:11:38]  They're not really doing a whole lot in the world.
[00:11:42]  Yeah, they're tunneling.
[00:11:42]  They're like tunneling.
[00:11:43]  Like these guys literally just getting out.
[00:11:46]  15-year-old dudes like tunneling in the side.
[00:11:48]  They're going deeper in.
[00:11:51]  And trying to find mole women to mate with.
[00:11:54]  Yeah.
[00:11:55]  And you know what?
[00:11:56]  Maybe they did.
[00:11:57]  Maybe they did.
[00:11:58]  I would depend on the mole woman, but there's some good ones out there.
[00:12:02]  We actually have for you today a story, you know what?
[00:12:06]  Much like the one told by the very existence of this podcast of cooperation between both genders and religions and different nationalities.
[00:12:15]  Yeah.
[00:12:16]  Now, Liz, I want you to take off that black hundreds accoutrement you're wearing.
[00:12:22]  This is the second time I've used a couch.
[00:12:23]  Hundreds?
[00:12:24]  Black hundreds.
[00:12:25]  What is that?
[00:12:26]  It's like the anti-Semitic Orthodox Russian Orthodox people from early 20th century who were sort of like the bulwark of reaction against both Jews and then, of course, and you're wearing for some reason full garb.

=== 1911 Italian Invasion of Libya (06:01) ===

[00:12:42]  I would like you to put normal clothes on and jump in the time machine with me because we're going back to 1911.
[00:12:50]  So picture this.
[00:12:52]  1911.
[00:12:53]  The world is getting ready to get ready for World War I.
[00:12:58]  And in the run-up for that, Italian troops invade Libya, which at the time was a vileet under the Ottomans.
[00:13:05]  A short war saw the Italians in tentative control of the country.
[00:13:09]  Now, it's funny to imagine the Italians and the Ottomans fighting back then because I can't imagine either was a very expert army.
[00:13:15]  Well, I was going to say tentative is kind of a tentative control.
[00:13:18]  It's a real operable term for anything having to do with the Italians.
[00:13:23]  Yes, yes.
[00:13:23]  Especially around this time.
[00:13:25]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:13:26]  So in eastern Libya, the Yal Hassa tribe, trained by the Ottomans, fought the Italian invaders.
[00:13:31]  One member of the tribe, don't raise your eyebrow like that at me, Liz.
[00:13:35]  One member of the tribe was Sheikh Igtit Musa al-Hassi, a horseman who fought running battles against the Italians in the years after their invasion.
[00:13:44]  Libya eventually lost the war to the Italians, or rather like the Libyan irregulars eventually lost the war to the Italians, though much of the countryside was not governed by the colonizers.
[00:13:55]  The king of Libya went into exile and Italy began the process of sending Italians to the colony.
[00:14:00]  Italy, like many colonizing powers, was heavily reliant on colonial troops, meaning like local native troops that they used to, you know, to burnish their forces with.
[00:14:10]  And though the Libyans revolted many times, it was the Second World War that actually knocked the Italians out of there.
[00:14:18]  So the king of Libya comes back after the war and the country becomes a corrupt, backwards sheikdom that is sort of held together by bribes and tribal allegiances.
[00:14:27]  The discovery of oil and the newfound oil wealth that came with that went to the elite.
[00:14:31]  The poor were substance farmers or city proletarians.
[00:14:34]  Colonel Gaddafi.
[00:14:36]  Hold on.
[00:14:37]  We should put like a little in this.
[00:14:40]  He needs a motif.
[00:14:42]  He needs a motif.
[00:14:45]  What do we call it?
[00:14:46]  Late motif?
[00:14:47]  Thank you.
[00:14:47]  A late motif.
[00:14:48]  He needs a late motif.
[00:14:49]  We need all of them, all three.
[00:14:50]  Colonel Gaddafi, the enterprising head of the Free Officers Movement, overthrows the decadent and corrupt King Idris in 1969.
[00:14:58]  His syncretic philosophy and compelling personality boosted Libya's stocks among TV watchers for decades.
[00:15:04]  But he has his detractors.
[00:15:06]  A group of army officers tried to coup the coup a couple months after Gaddafi took power.
[00:15:12]  They were imprisoned, and included among them was Dr. Sheikh Hassan Othman Igtet, reportedly one of the first PhDs in Libya.
[00:15:21]  Igtet was released and exiled to Pakistan, where his family reports that Gaddafi's agents smothered him to death.
[00:15:28]  Oh man, why do you gotta do that?
[00:15:29]  What to Pakistan?
[00:15:31]  I'm sorry.
[00:15:32]  It's a name.
[00:15:32]  You can pronounce it any way you'd like.
[00:15:35]  Now, Gaddafi, as people know, is a friend of the show.
[00:15:38]  We do love Colonel Gaddafi.
[00:15:41]  We are not, it's not like an ironic thing.
[00:15:43]  I like Gaddafi.
[00:15:44]  I mean, he did some things I don't like, and he did some things I really like.
[00:15:48]  And overall, I think he was at least more interesting than many world leaders.
[00:15:52]  He definitely had style.
[00:15:54]  He once assembled 200 beautiful models in Italy and lectured them on the Quran for hours.
[00:15:59]  He would run out backyards and assemble Bedouin-style tents instead of staying in fancy hotels.
[00:16:04]  In one instance, he was thwarted from doing that in New Jersey by Rabbi Shmuley Botiak, which is not germane to this episode, but which I found out the other day and I think is very funny.
[00:16:14]  The Shmoolies keep popping up.
[00:16:16]  We love them.
[00:16:18]  Excuse me?
[00:16:21]  It's going to keep happening this episode.
[00:16:23]  I'm sorry.
[00:16:24]  It's going to keep happening this episode.
[00:16:25]  This episode is mostly about a Muslim guy.
[00:16:30]  Oh, and there's definitely another.
[00:16:32]  Yeah, well, okay, fair enough.
[00:16:33]  He gave guns to the National Democratic Front in the Philippines, but on October 20th, 2011, Hillary Clinton had Colonel Gaddafi killed for trying to start the United States of Africa.
[00:16:45]  Libya was plunged into civil war.
[00:16:50]  Only one man could save it.
[00:16:53]  Bazit Igtet, descended from these Libyan rebels, a businessman living in Switzerland, married to the beautiful, entrancing, listen, beauty subjective, Sarah Bromfman of the Seagram's Fortune and a high-ranking member of the sex self-help cult Nexium.
[00:17:13]  Nexium.
[00:17:14]  Now, we have never done an episode on Nexium.
[00:17:18]  We haven't forgotten.
[00:17:19]  For a couple reasons.
[00:17:20]  Well, one, it's rather well-trod territory.
[00:17:23]  Yes, that was my number one reason.
[00:17:25]  Also, I think when we started the podcast, or like right when we started the podcast, we were really looking at the other guy, Epstein.
[00:17:35]  But also, the HBO show was like coming out, and it seemed like everyone was talking Nexium, Nexium, Nexium.
[00:17:41]  So we never did it.
[00:17:42]  But I had forgotten some of the details about Nexium.
[00:17:48]  Holy shit.
[00:17:50]  Yes, I mean the one thing that, and we're finally doing it, the one thing that we've always talked about doing in relation to Nexium was Nexium's, a little bit maybe about Nexium's foreign policy, but specifically Nexium's attempt to take over the war and the post-Gaddafi war-torn Libya.
[00:18:07]  Literally to start a United States of Africa.
[00:18:10]  Literally, this is Nexium, Keith Raniere, Sarah Bromfman, and Bayzit Igtet's attempt to start the United States of Africa.
[00:18:18]  And unfortunately, Liz, like many of our most treasured topics on this podcast, their attempt to form the United States of Africa failed.
[00:18:28]  Yeah, it failed.
[00:18:29]  Okay, so to kind of get into this real quick, we're going to have to do some recapping.
[00:18:34]  I'm going to try and rush through some of this recapping.
[00:18:38]  So let's talk about Sarah Bromfman.
[00:18:40]  Okay, Sarah Brompfman, granddaughter of Samuel Bromfman.

=== Sarah Bromfman's Legacy (15:05) ===

[00:18:43]  It's worth talking a little bit about the Bronfmans because it's been, I think, a couple years since we've talked about them on the show.
[00:18:50]  Of course, myself, I talk about them all the time in sort of meme format.
[00:18:56]  But Samuel Bromfman, old-timey guy, cut his teeth selling liquor during Prohibition.
[00:19:02]  So old timey guy, right?
[00:19:04]  He was operating out of Montreal and right on the border, started distributing basically through, you know, through networks that he set up on the East Coast, through the Northeast.
[00:19:15]  Now, if you know anything about Prohibition, you know anything about smuggling booze during this time, you'd know that it involved working with the mob.
[00:19:26]  The mafia.
[00:19:26]  The mafia.
[00:19:30]  This man was mobbed up.
[00:19:32]  He worked with Meyer Lansky, Lucky Luciano, Al Capone.
[00:19:36]  This is the milieu that this guy's in, right?
[00:19:39]  So he buys a local distillery called Joseph E. Seagram's and Sons, late 20s, expands it.
[00:19:46]  That becomes what everyone knows as the Seagrams Corporation, which is really, I mean, it low-key fell off, which I'll talk about a little bit, but it was an icon of the 20th century.
[00:19:57]  Seven and seven.
[00:19:58]  Seven and seven.
[00:19:59]  It was, I mean, especially thanks to this network that he set up during Prohibition with the mom.
[00:20:05]  And obviously the other entities involved in that, too much for this podcast.
[00:20:10]  But it had a massive distribution network.
[00:20:13]  He's in like 150 countries.
[00:20:15]  He's controlling close to one-fifth of the U.S. liquor market, which is like the perfect percentage, obviously, for liquor.
[00:20:23]  The fifth.
[00:20:24]  Okay, yeah.
[00:20:25]  You like that one?
[00:20:25]  I do, yeah.
[00:20:28]  I will, just as a little note, as a little nod, we should say that there's a lot of speculation that they also, after liquor became legal again, after the repeal of Prohibition, that they expanded and continued some of these activities and networks along the narcotics side of things.
[00:20:49]  But that's like obviously for another episode or something like that.
[00:20:51]  But I just want to make not to that.
[00:20:53]  Okay.
[00:20:53]  So the Bromfman family, the Seagrams family, we could say, is very big and has a very large family tree and is very confusing.
[00:21:03]  But from here, Sam has four kids, Minda, which is a name.
[00:21:07]  Crazy.
[00:21:08]  Minda, Phyllis, Edgar, and Charles.
[00:21:11]  Okay, so first Edgar, he's the one who becomes president of Seagrams in 1957.
[00:21:16]  And this is like, you know, the Seagrams building is like an icon of New York City.
[00:21:21]  It is the kind of like classic mad, I always think of it as like a madmen company.
[00:21:25]  Yeah.
[00:21:25]  Right.
[00:21:27]  Edgar's first, I just am trying, I want to like paint a little picture without getting a little too into the weeds.
[00:21:32]  Edgar's first wife is a woman named Anne Loeb, who is herself the daughter of a man named John Loeb, who was a really big Wall Street executive, old school like banker, Wall Street family.
[00:21:48]  And her mother was Frances Lehman, as in the family of the Lehman Brothers.
[00:21:54]  The Lehman Brothers.
[00:21:56]  Yes, the Lehman Mothers.
[00:21:59]  So it's just to kind of give a sense of how linked up this family is in society circles, wealth, power, all of those exciting things.
[00:22:11]  So Edgar later remarries three times.
[00:22:13]  He has seven kids in total, which is a crazy amount of kids.
[00:22:17]  The two we care about here, Sarah and Claire.
[00:22:20]  Sarah Bromfman and Claire Brompfman, born in 76, 79.
[00:22:24]  Okay.
[00:22:25]  There is, I just really briefly, again, there's going to be a couple tangents here.
[00:22:30]  A very fun half-brother, Edgar Jr., who is very mildly interesting, I'll say, because he basically squanders the entire family fortune by getting in bed with a Frenchman who may or may not have tried to steal the Rothko out of the Seagram's building.
[00:22:49]  Respect.
[00:22:50]  Which is very funny.
[00:22:52]  So there's so much to say about the Bronfman family.
[00:22:55]  There's that story about the French businessman.
[00:22:58]  There's Edgar Jr.'s failed music career.
[00:23:01]  Here's some lyrics.
[00:23:02]  I want to hold your body next to mine.
[00:23:04]  I want to hurry love and take my time.
[00:23:08]  There were fake kidnapping attempts that led to a fake $4 billion extortion attempt.
[00:23:14]  There were desperate plans to buy up oil and chemical companies.
[00:23:18]  That led to an SEC investigation into insider trading at Bear Stearns, which, of course, deposed a young Jeffrey E. Epstein who was handling some of that account.
[00:23:30]  The founding of this thing called Birthright was thanks to Charles.
[00:23:35]  Charles, I was called him Charles Seagram's Charles Bromfman.
[00:23:39]  So he's to thank for like, I would say, a good 40% of young Jewish people losing their virginity to an IDF officer.
[00:23:46]  Yeah, he was a co-founder of the mega group.
[00:23:49]  Yes.
[00:23:49]  It's been years since we've talked about this.
[00:23:51]  But that was alongside the guy who maybe got a little sexually freaky with the aforementioned Jeffrey Epstein.
[00:23:58]  Oh, Leslie Wexner.
[00:23:59]  Yes.
[00:24:00]  Yeah, which by the way, we should, we haven't asked for this in a while.
[00:24:03]  If you have any information about gay sex between Leslie Wexner and Jeffrey Epstein, please let us know.
[00:24:08]  Real information too, not.
[00:24:10]  Yeah, Twitter accounts back up, so you can hit the DMs.
[00:24:12]  Yeah.
[00:24:13]  You know, there's also, there's just so much with this family.
[00:24:17]  An important detail here, and I, you know, I mentioned this, is that under the stewardship of Edgar Jr., the family lost a shit ton of money.
[00:24:27]  Like they had a lot of money to begin with, one of the wealthiest families in the world.
[00:24:33]  But they lost about two-thirds of their fortune right around the same time that Claire and Sarah start giving away their entire trust fund to Nexium.
[00:24:45]  This ended up with Edgar Sr., basically the dad, their dad, not being on speaking terms with their daughters.
[00:24:53]  And he was famously quoted in this like 2003, it's very famous piece.
[00:24:57]  There's a cover article about Keith Raniere and Nexium in Forbes magazine.
[00:25:03]  And he was quoted as saying, I think this is a cult, which is crazy when you consider it took like over a decade for charges to be brought against Keith.
[00:25:12]  Yeah, and that was actually a pretty, I mean, that 2003 article comes up again in this episode, but that was very formative in Nexium's mindset going into the next decade.
[00:25:23]  Yes.
[00:25:24]  And really fucking fucked them up pretty bad, like internally and started making them go even crazier.
[00:25:29]  Absolutely.
[00:25:30]  So Sarah joins, a little bit of background here with Nexium.
[00:25:33]  Sarah joins Nexium first in 2002.
[00:25:38]  At this time, it was called Executive Success Programs, ESP.
[00:25:42]  I think everybody knows what Nexium is.
[00:25:46]  But if you don't, for some reason, just imagine Scientology if it were Herbalife for nailing a job interview.
[00:25:55]  But like also weird sex stuff.
[00:25:56]  Yeah, plus the sex stuff as well.
[00:25:59]  Yeah.
[00:25:59]  And the sashes.
[00:26:00]  Yes.
[00:26:01]  So they started basically by offering intensive workshops.
[00:26:06]  These things would cost like 8K.
[00:26:09]  It's so much like Scientology.
[00:26:10]  It's crazy.
[00:26:11]  And you would learn all of these weird self-improvement techniques.
[00:26:15]  It was kind of modeled after, I would say, a blend of hypnosis and rand.
[00:26:22]  There's definitely a lot of Anne-Rand in there.
[00:26:24]  And kind of like neuro-linguistic programming, which is basically crude behavioral modification techniques.
[00:26:30]  Yeah, it's like a form of like, I mean, I've never taken any like self-help programs or anything like that, but it seems like, so like that est kind of like mindset, like spiritual business, Like, I am trying to brainwash myself, but then I'm also getting like double layer brainwash by the guy in charge of the cult.
[00:26:50]  All of this shit follows in the same kind of line or out of the same sort of line as a lot of the shit that we talked about in the R Sears of the Game.
[00:27:03]  Out of kind of human potential movements and est.
[00:27:09]  Yeah, est and weird.
[00:27:13]  Yeah, like you say, self-improvement, self, and behavioral modification cult.
[00:27:18]  Yeah, like at the Esalen sort of mindset as, you know, by done by Silicon Valley kind of guys.
[00:27:24]  I do want to just real quick point out that Keith Ranieri hit on a woman by saying, you're Dagny, which just really goes to show how useless and creepy anyone who follows Gin Rand is.
[00:27:36]  You're Dagney.
[00:27:38]  That's crazy.
[00:27:39]  Does that work?
[00:27:41]  No, no.
[00:27:42]  I don't think it worked on this woman.
[00:27:43]  Keith Ranieri is a fucking freak, obviously, who is now in jail for a very long time, but is also a fraudster and a liar.
[00:27:51]  He allegedly once claimed that he was in the Guinness Book of World Records for highest IQ, which was very sounds like a kind of very small line.
[00:28:00]  Do you think that I would say that?
[00:28:02]  I would say that I would be, that is kind of something I would say.
[00:28:05]  No, I would say something.
[00:28:06]  You have to say, like, your lie has to be so stupid that no one would believe that you're lying.
[00:28:10]  But that one's pretty stupid.
[00:28:13]  No, I would, no, I know that's, but like, that's like, that's also easily.
[00:28:16]  It's just like, okay, I've got, you know, Fray Scott has that one weird toe.
[00:28:23]  No, I would say something like an extra toe.
[00:28:24]  I would say it's something like this.
[00:28:26]  Yeah, I would be like, I actually am in, I was, you can either say something like, I had extra toes removed at birth or I was in the Guinness Book of World Record because I had the longest chest hair at a foot and a half.
[00:28:37]  It was like one long silver hair that came out of me.
[00:28:39]  And it was in previous editions of the Guinness Book of World Records.
[00:28:42]  They took it out when like people obviously like stopped buying books as much.
[00:28:48]  But it's still on the website or like a cash version of the older website.
[00:28:51]  I'll send you the link later.
[00:28:52]  That's something you gotta say too.
[00:28:53]  I had to say that I'll send you the link later.
[00:28:56]  I do, I really think that when I was a kid, I thought that the Guinness Book of World Records would be a bigger deal than it turned out to be.
[00:29:03]  Well, you can just buy your way.
[00:29:04]  Like that's a, it's like a thing.
[00:29:06]  Yeah, it's just a way of pay for records.
[00:29:08]  It's all pay-for-play, yeah.
[00:29:09]  But also, my question is this.
[00:29:12]  Who are they?
[00:29:12]  How are these people taking these IQ tests?
[00:29:15]  Have you guys ever had an IQ test?
[00:29:17]  No, no.
[00:29:18]  Where do you get them?
[00:29:20]  I don't know.
[00:29:20]  Like, I got.
[00:29:21]  You can get crazy tests online.
[00:29:23]  I mean, but like, it's like, I wouldn't get that.
[00:29:25]  Everyone's getting Dutch tests these days.
[00:29:27]  I got tested.
[00:29:28]  I've talked about this on the show before, but my intellect did get tested.
[00:29:31]  It wasn't IQ testing.
[00:29:31]  Intellect?
[00:29:32]  Yeah.
[00:29:33]  Or not my intellect.
[00:29:34]  It was like my ability to comprehend things was tested.
[00:29:38]  And I got like the highest possible ones.
[00:29:40]  And I didn't tell you guys this.
[00:29:42]  No.
[00:29:42]  I got like the highest possible ones in like the obvious ones, like verbal and comprehensive sentences, all that kind of stuff.
[00:29:51]  And then my ones with math were so bad that the lady legitimately thought I was, you know.
[00:29:58]  Oh.
[00:29:59]  Yeah.
[00:29:59]  And they were like, they took me aside and they're like, oh, like if you go to college, like you actually, congratulations, like you actually can probably get out of a lot of classes because of this, because the discrepancy is like four quadrants or whatever.
[00:30:13]  What is this test?
[00:30:15]  I don't remember what it was called, but interesting.
[00:30:18]  I've had my thetans tested, but that's about it.
[00:30:20]  That's the science.
[00:30:21]  Yeah, I have two, actually.
[00:30:22]  Took the void conf test.
[00:30:24]  I used to do that at Powell, Powell Street Station when the Scientology people were there.
[00:30:28]  Back to Keith Rainier.
[00:30:30]  So he's, yeah, he's a total freak.
[00:30:32]  He had a, I want, this is important to point out for understanding his relationship with Claire and Sarah and really the Bromfman family is that he had what has been described in court documents as a pathological addiction to day trading.
[00:30:47]  So sick.
[00:30:47]  And not only was he pathologically addicted to day trading, he was horrible at it.
[00:30:54]  Yes.
[00:30:54]  Yes, he was bad.
[00:30:56]  He apparently, but he had $65 million worth of commodities losses, commodity trading losses, which he apparently blamed on Edgar Bromfman saying that he rigged the Oates futures market in order to poison his relationship with his daughters.
[00:31:15]  Because at this point.
[00:31:16]  Like with Claire and Sarah.
[00:31:18]  Sarah's sister Claire is also in Nexium and ends up actually going pretty far in Nexium.
[00:31:24]  By the way, like you have to put like three parentheses around the rigged Oates Futures market.
[00:31:29]  You have to put three parentheses.
[00:31:30]  No, we don't.
[00:31:31]  Okay, because he's saying the Jews rigged the market.
[00:31:34]  It sounds okay.
[00:31:35]  Keith Rainier is saying the Bronfmans rigged the stock market is like very horrendously coded.
[00:31:42]  But my question is, is like, you got to really like buy your own bullshit to be like some guy.
[00:31:47]  Like Keith Rainier was not like an economic genius or whatever, was not like this like titan of trading.
[00:31:54]  He was just like a fucking schmuck.
[00:31:56]  No, he's a degen.
[00:31:58]  And you, but you have to believe in yourself if you're like, I'm going to strike it rich on the Oats Futures market.
[00:32:03]  Dude, like that's like a different level of gooning.
[00:32:06]  Yeah, that's, that's like, that's, there's a faith in that that I think would be inspiring even to those brothers of mine, not yours, but mine, that are in tunnels in Crown Heights.
[00:32:18]  So Sarah was very involved in Nexium operations, not on the level that Claire ended up being, and that's like very well documented.
[00:32:28]  But I do think that some survivors would dispute some of the ways that Sarah ends up portraying her role in kind of the day-to-day operations of Nexium.
[00:32:40]  Say this, from everything that I've read, and it's actually, it's kind of funny to read because I was reading this Nexiam book.
[00:32:47]  There's that big Vanity Fair article about the sisters.
[00:32:49]  There's like a couple other, I think there's a New York Times piece about the sisters as well.
[00:32:53]  Yeah, that was the big one that kind of kicked off.
[00:32:56]  Every one of them that I've read, they're always like, Claire is like not very charismatic and she's kind of busted.
[00:33:01]  Sarah's beautiful, which citation needed, but you know what?
[00:33:04]  I the beholder, but also subjective, which is I, the beholder.
[00:33:11]  But anyways, Sarah, like, Sarah is like portrayed as being like very charismatic, outgoing, beautiful.
[00:33:16]  And Claire is kind of like the ugly duckling.
[00:33:19]  Yeah.
[00:33:19]  They don't look that different to me, to be honest with you.
[00:33:22]  Well, you got the classic dark hair, blonde hair.
[00:33:23]  You get the dark hair, blonde hair.
[00:33:24]  But she's more of a straw, Berry blonde, I think.
[00:33:28]  AI, you know, just thinking out loud.
[00:33:33]  But Sarah, I do, from some of her post-Nexiam activities, I do think that she was just, she's just a smoother operator than Claire was.
[00:33:41]  And I think that while she was, she had a different place in the organization than Claire might have.

=== Sarah Bronfman Allegations (14:34) ===

[00:33:49]  So TLDR, Keith Raniere, ends up in prison on sex trafficking and other charges.
[00:33:54]  There's a bunch of charges.
[00:33:55]  The feds charge Claire, but not Sarah.
[00:33:59]  This is from one of the many court documents on the case from the U.S. attorneys.
[00:34:04]  I'm just going to read this quote.
[00:34:05]  There can be little doubt that Raniere would have been able to commit the crimes with which he was convicted if it not for powerful allies like Claire Bromfman.
[00:34:13]  She pursued Ranieri's accusers and critics by dispatching powerful teams of lawyers, private investigators, public relations firms to attempt to discredit them and dredge up information that could be used to undermine their claims.
[00:34:25]  Even now, after Ranieri's convictions for sex trafficking, forced labor, alien smuggling, and child exploitation offenses, Bromfman continues to support Raniere.
[00:34:37]  The kind of bankrolling of all the PR efforts really can't be understated.
[00:34:42]  They were pouring close to like $2 million a month retaining services from Roger Stone, which is insane, especially when you got into the weeds on the family tree and all the buddies and friends that pop up along the way.
[00:34:57]  And funneling money to political candidates to attract like good favor over the years, which like I was reading about this, and I got to say, it makes you think what would have become of Sam Bankman Freed if FTX hadn't gone the way it did.
[00:35:14]  How do you mean?
[00:35:15]  Like this is like, do you think that there would have been a Nexiem type situation with Sam?
[00:35:20]  I have no idea, but it wouldn't have surprised me considering the way he like went after critics, the way that he focused all of his attention on like massive, massive media pushes and obsessions and buying people off.
[00:35:36]  I mean, Nexium was the same way.
[00:35:39]  I will say I do think SBS days were numbered from the beginning just because he was irredeemably weird.
[00:35:45]  Like there was no – Well, he was a failure.
[00:35:46]  Yeah, absolutely.
[00:35:47]  He was a – I mean, the guy's just a freak, but there was like no amount of money that could insulate him from his freakness.
[00:35:52]  And so, like, it would have, he would have crashed and burned.
[00:35:54]  And he was just too, he was too online.
[00:35:57]  He was too online.
[00:35:58]  Like, here's the thing: if you're going to have a successful cult, which potential cult leaders don't listen to this.
[00:36:04]  Don't listen.
[00:36:04]  And you shouldn't be listening to podcasts anyways.
[00:36:05]  No.
[00:36:06]  Here nor there.
[00:36:06]  But you got to be offline.
[00:36:08]  Yeah, you got to be offline.
[00:36:10]  Like, Sam was like way too online and would just give his whole game away if he was really attempting to build out an effective altruist, you know, commune, compound-style Bahamian oasis for weird like crypto scams, polyamory, and money laundering.
[00:36:31]  Look at Black Hammer's most successful time as a cult.
[00:36:34]  It's when they were in Atlanta and they were going crazy and they were beating, sodomizing, threatening each other.
[00:36:43]  Only a little bit of that was shown online.
[00:36:45]  And they had their shooters online, but the main guy, not so online.
[00:36:50]  And so that's important.
[00:36:52]  The main guy has kind of got to be insulated a little bit.
[00:36:54]  And that's—Raniere did do a decent job with that.
[00:36:58]  He had kind of these moneyed lieutenants do a lot of his dirty work for him.
[00:37:03]  Oh, yeah.
[00:37:04]  But yeah, I agree with you.
[00:37:06]  So Claire Brompfman, she pleads guilty to a litany of charges, sentenced goes to seven years.
[00:37:11]  Sarah immediately cooperates with the feds.
[00:37:14]  Which she throws her sister to the walls, yeah.
[00:37:17]  Yeah, and she wasn't charged.
[00:37:19]  Witnesses were testifying saying that she was really, you know, part of Keith's close-knit circle and more of a key player, which I am like also tempted to believe given the amount of money she was pouring into the thing.
[00:37:32]  I think so too.
[00:37:33]  Drained her trust fund, drained her almost close to draining her inheritance.
[00:37:37]  Which is when the, you're talking about the Bronfman family fund, the money is an absurd amount.
[00:37:42]  I mean, they poured like over $150 million into this.
[00:37:45]  This is what I would like to put forward here.
[00:37:47]  And this is, I think, part of the thrust of this episode in general.
[00:37:51]  I do think Sarah had a very high-ranking place.
[00:37:54]  I mean, we know that she had a high-ranking place, but I do think she was as close to Rainier as Claire was.
[00:38:00]  But I think her mission was different.
[00:38:03]  Well, one thing is, you know, in looking into her, I got to say, she was obsessed with the Dalai Lama, which to me is a red flag.
[00:38:11]  Well, let's not get crazy here because I'm a little bit obsessed with the Dalai Lama too, but in a different, I hate the Dalai Lama.
[00:38:17]  What was that's different?
[00:38:18]  That's different.
[00:38:19]  Yeah.
[00:38:19]  That's the opposite.
[00:38:20]  She is, it's so strange to me whenever I see somebody like a, I'll say this.
[00:38:26]  Whenever I see somebody who isn't like from Tibet or like follow like the Dale and I use this word again, syncretic brand of Buddhism that the Dalai Lama comes out of that exists in Tibet, I like views him as like this font of wisdom because the guy is not all that.
[00:38:47]  Unless you're from the 1960s, I think it's weird.
[00:38:50]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:38:51]  You know what I mean?
[00:38:51]  Yeah, yeah, I know, I do know what you mean.
[00:38:54]  You know, reading interviews with Sarah, I got to be honest, she seems like a fucking moron.
[00:39:00]  I was literally in my bedroom one day listening to his tapes, talking about the Dalai Lama, and thought to myself, wow, this guy's amazing.
[00:39:09]  It's like, that's what you're thinking to yourself?
[00:39:11]  This is from a piece that friend of the show, I'm going to say it wrong, Mo Ta, how do I say this?
[00:39:18]  Mo Tucker, the daughter of the Velvet Underground.
[00:39:21]  No.
[00:39:21]  Of course, collaborate with Sun City Girls.
[00:39:24]  Mo Chakik?
[00:39:28]  T-K-A-C-O, you can pronounce that.
[00:39:30]  Mo Chakik?
[00:39:31]  I don't know.
[00:39:31]  I'm so sorry, Moe.
[00:39:35]  They wrote back in 2010 before any federal charges against Sarah or Claire or Keith, the way he looks at things, this is Sarah talking about the Dalai Lama.
[00:39:49]  The way he looks at things is very scientific and very much in line with the philosophy of Nexium.
[00:39:55]  Not good branding for the Dalai Lama, by the way.
[00:39:58]  I said, well, that kind of sounds like what we do.
[00:40:01]  And I thought, maybe I could introduce myself and bring him here and introduce him to Keith, because I think Keith is a scientist and a great philosopher.
[00:40:10]  And so this was a big thing.
[00:40:11]  She was able to get the Dalai Lama to the Nexium compound in Albany after a bunch of back and forth.
[00:40:18]  If you watch the Vow, there is some of this in there in the series.
[00:40:22]  And His Holiness, as he's referred to, originally canceled his appearance because the cult was getting all this bad press.
[00:40:32]  And it wasn't until Keith, Sarah, and then Nancy Salzman, who's the other co-founder of Nexium along with Keith, went to Dara Masala, which is like the little, you know, the little, I guess, compound, city town, enclave where the Dalai Lama is, where all the Tibetan monks are, to meet up with him.
[00:40:56]  And they were able to get him to come to Albany in 2009.
[00:41:00]  And this may have been because Sarah maybe had an affair with one of the Dalai Lama's aides.
[00:41:09]  So I have, this has been known for a while, but I haven't really thought about this in a deep way until recently, which is, this brings up the question of whether the Dalai Lama himself can fuck.
[00:41:26]  Well, do you mean like has the capability to or is allowed to?
[00:41:29]  Well, due to his, well, I don't know because I was about to say due to his advanced age, I would doubt he could anymore.
[00:41:35]  But I did know a guy who unfortunately has, and this is not a joke and it is sad, did go insane.
[00:41:43]  I knew a guy who was a crazy Buddhist who said that his master could come off of a cliff and suck it back in his penis.
[00:41:50]  I'm not joking.
[00:41:51]  He said this.
[00:41:51]  He told me this in a closet in Pittsburgh in 2008.
[00:41:55]  My understanding is that they have to take a vow of poverty and a vow of celibacy.
[00:41:58]  Well, the llamas are the, I don't know if the Tibetan Lamas are taking a vow of poverty because these motherfuckers live like, I mean, they live like that.
[00:42:06]  I know, but my understanding is that's sort of the, you know, at least forward face saying.
[00:42:12]  Well, I was researching this a couple of days ago.
[00:42:15]  And as far as I can understand, the one time in recent history, I'm sure that it's happened before, but in cursory research in recent history, the Dalai Lama was asked about sex, about whether he's had it, was, I believe in 2012, an interview in Africa with an African outlet where they asked him if the Dalai Lama misses sex.
[00:42:35]  And the Dalai Lama is rather straightforward and says he doesn't.
[00:42:40]  But he kind of squiggles out of the question of whether he has ever had sex before.
[00:42:45]  Don't they ask him straight ahead?
[00:42:46]  Well, they asked him if he misses sex.
[00:42:48]  Now, I would like to put forth that this is, this next thing I'm about to say is based completely on vibes, I guess you could say.
[00:42:55]  That's most of us, I guess.
[00:42:56]  I had a gut feeling.
[00:42:58]  I would say that without a doubt, most Dalai Lamas, including his current holiness and the ones prior, were very certainly most likely molested.
[00:43:07]  Whether the Dalai Lama in his adulthood sought out the company of men or women is unknown to me.
[00:43:16]  But I'm going to say that I think the Dalai Lama has fucked.
[00:43:21]  He has that crazy kissy pokey move with his tongue.
[00:43:24]  He did kiss that kid's tongue, but I think that the Dalai Lama has had sex, has had consensual sex with an adult woman in his life.
[00:43:33]  I'm going to say that.
[00:43:35]  Maybe I call me crazy, but I think the Dalai Lama has.
[00:43:37]  No, you know what?
[00:43:38]  I'm going to say that I've never thought about it.
[00:43:40]  I'm not going to think about it right now.
[00:43:41]  But what I am going to say is that if you have information on whether or not the Dalai Lama has had sex, hit the DMs.
[00:43:48]  Hit the DMs.
[00:43:48]  Hit the DMs.
[00:43:49]  Because, you know, we like to bring people the news and the straight facts.
[00:43:53]  And whether the Dalai Lama's pickled pecker is within his saffron robes or not, certainly his attaché in America was sticking his freaky little thing in every which way that a vagina would take it.
[00:44:10]  Sorry, when I started that sentence, I didn't know it was going to end up.
[00:44:13]  I didn't mean to.
[00:44:14]  I genuinely, I was like trying to, as you can see, I slowed down during this end is trying to change every which way.
[00:44:20]  And then I was like, I don't know how to go with that.
[00:44:23]  Nowhere to go with that except straight right in the vagina, which is the main place that I believe statistically, obviously I'm not saying this from actual experience, but statistically that the Dalai Lama's man in the U.S. would have put his penis.
[00:44:46]  Tenzin Dondon.
[00:44:48]  This is the Dalai Lama's, like, U.S. guy.
[00:44:52]  Yeah.
[00:44:52]  He is, or his, they call the personal emissary of peace, which is not a thing.
[00:44:58]  His job was basically to meet with celebrities and business leaders, philanthropists, so on, people with money and power, and screen them for the Dalai Lama, I guess.
[00:45:14]  I don't think that there's any, there's no reason for this being a thing.
[00:45:18]  I got to be honest, if you follow Tibetan Buddhism, you got to hate the Dalai Lama.
[00:45:22]  Because all the Dalai Lama does is like hang out with like, well, Richard Branson's a bad example, actually, but like you just hang out with like rich celebrities and shit like that.
[00:45:30]  Yeah, this guy, Tenzin Donden, he's the guy he would just like vet people and be like, hmm, are you someone who should meet with the Dalai Lama?
[00:45:39]  And the other people on the other side are like, oh, I'm going to meet the Dalai Lama.
[00:45:42]  And then it comes out, obviously, later, the most obvious consequence of this comes out in 2017 that Tenzin Donden, not only was he possibly, maybe getting freaky with Sarah Bronfman, but was like, oh, if you want to meet the Dalai Lama, rich United States celebrity, like perhaps Bono or Leonardo DiCaprio, I'm assuming two people who have met the Dalai Lama.
[00:46:08]  Bono's not from the United States.
[00:46:10]  Well, he probably has a house in LA.
[00:46:13]  You got to pay me because I'm the gatekeeper.
[00:46:17]  So this dude was literally like charging rich people, skimming off the top, to meet the Dalai Lama, which respect.
[00:46:26]  Fair enough.
[00:46:26]  Fair enough.
[00:46:27]  It's an economy of middlemen.
[00:46:29]  The Dalai Lama's around you, dude.
[00:46:30]  Or you're out.
[00:46:31]  You're in or you're out.
[00:46:32]  Yeah.
[00:46:33]  I mean, listen, this isn't, frankly, that different from how Lamaism has operated for much of its history, right?
[00:46:40]  It's that you have these like priests or that monks that are sort of like the Lama isn't, the Dalai Lama has always been kind of an industry within Tibet.
[00:46:51]  And now he's an industry outside of Tibet.
[00:46:53]  And he should be glad for that.
[00:46:55]  He's a hustler.
[00:46:56]  But yes, the rumor is, and I, there's a lot to back this rumor up, to be clear.
[00:47:02]  It's not just like some people are saying, there's a lot to back this up, that Sarah Bronfman was fucking the Dalai Lama's man in America.
[00:47:10]  Tenzin Donden.
[00:47:12]  Now, was it love?
[00:47:13]  Was it simply a way to get the Dalai Lama to Nixon?
[00:47:17]  We shall never know.
[00:47:18]  Could he do some of those freaking Dikke Kundalini moves, you know?
[00:47:21]  Could he, could he, could he bend it like Beckham?
[00:47:24]  Could he fucking, could he do some tantric shit to a freak of thing?
[00:47:28]  Sting.
[00:47:29]  Sting.
[00:47:30]  Ooh, is that a move?
[00:47:31]  Rock for Sting and his.
[00:47:34]  Sting's Tantric?
[00:47:35]  That was the whole thing.
[00:47:36]  That's like the most famous thing about Sting, beside like.
[00:47:38]  The police would probably be the most famous.
[00:47:41]  No, post-police.
[00:47:42]  Oh.
[00:47:43]  Yeah, I don't really know what he's been doing after that.
[00:47:45]  Well, he's been doing tantric sex.
[00:47:46]  I always associate.
[00:47:48]  Well, it's Tantric, so it's like for years.
[00:47:51]  Decades.
[00:47:53]  Why do you think he doesn't see Sting anymore?
[00:47:54]  He's too busy.
[00:47:55]  He's having sex.
[00:47:56]  Yes.
[00:47:58]  Well, the Dalai Lama also, I mean, listen, there was the meeting in Albany, but he also wrote a forward to one of Keith Ranieri's books.
[00:48:07]  Yes.
[00:48:07]  So like there was clearly something was happening here.
[00:48:10]  Yeah, same year.
[00:48:11]  Same year all this went down.
[00:48:12]  The affair, the speech at Albany, and the foreword to Keith Ranieri's book, which can you please read the title of this?
[00:48:20]  It is called The Sphinx and Telchapia.

=== Rick Ross And The Spy (14:27) ===

[00:48:23]  I never knew how to pronounce this.
[00:48:24]  The Sphinx and Telchapia.
[00:48:27]  Telchapia.
[00:48:29]  Talchapia.
[00:48:30]  The Sphinx and Telhepia.
[00:48:32]  You got to be fucking.
[00:48:33]  How does the Dalai Lama get involved?
[00:48:34]  Whatever.
[00:48:35]  Dalai Lama is.
[00:48:36]  Dalai Lama.
[00:48:37]  I was watching an interview with the Dalai Lama.
[00:48:40]  It was really funny.
[00:48:41]  Did he do Kissy Pokey?
[00:48:42]  No, it was with this South Asian correspondent for BBC who's kind of taking him to tat.
[00:48:48]  It's like a woke sort of thing.
[00:48:51]  Because he said that if the next Dalai Lama should be a woman, that's a good-looking woman.
[00:48:55]  But it's obvious he's kidding because that'll get the Lama cause like, you know, that'll boost the cause.
[00:49:01]  But like, you know, he's like an old guy.
[00:49:03]  Like, it's, it's not, it's a, I guess a stupid thing to say, but it's the fucking Dalai Lama who gives a fuck.
[00:49:09]  Like, sucks.
[00:49:11]  Yeah.
[00:49:11]  Everything he says is stupid.
[00:49:13]  And she's like, did you mean that?
[00:49:14]  He's like, is it, she's like, isn't that a little sexist?
[00:49:16]  And he's just like, he's like, I'm not going to be a little bit more funny.
[00:49:17]  I think it's funny.
[00:49:18]  I think she should be attractive.
[00:49:20]  Or he should too.
[00:49:21]  The man should.
[00:49:21]  And she's like, but isn't it better to be pretty on the inside?
[00:49:25]  But he's like, but the outside, it helps as well.
[00:49:28]  He feels very like an old Jewish man to me in that context.
[00:49:31]  I mean, I got to say.
[00:49:32]  Kind of like he sees them.
[00:49:34]  But then also he says something really funny in the interview as well.
[00:49:37]  He's like, Europe should be for Europeans.
[00:49:39]  Like, it shouldn't be Muslim.
[00:49:40]  There's too many of them there.
[00:49:41]  They should send some of them back after training them.
[00:49:44]  After training them?
[00:49:45]  After training them, they should say, which is, okay, I've kind of done that a little bit.
[00:49:50]  I want to put a pin on the Dalai Lama's emissary's penis for a second and kind of nail it to the wall like a butterfly of yore.
[00:50:00]  And I want to talk about a different foreign individual that Nexium had some dealings with that do involve the Bronfman sisters.
[00:50:11]  And it's a long story.
[00:50:14]  So like you mentioned, in 2003, there was a very highly, badly negative Forbes cover article about Nexium.
[00:50:23]  Yes.
[00:50:23]  Now, the way that the journalists writing this article operated and the way that many journalists operate is that it was kind of like, you know, the interviewees, which are many people in Nexium, including Keith Ranieri, thought they were going to be in for some positive press.
[00:50:39]  Yes.
[00:50:40]  And then when the article came out, it was resoundingly negative and featured this.
[00:50:45]  Chair pulled out from beneath you.
[00:50:47]  Exactly.
[00:50:47]  And so, you know, this is not a, like, this is a time when the wagons are getting circled and everyone's getting much more paranoid.
[00:50:58]  It's also, we should mention, you know, Keith Rainieri's day trading habit and the Brompen sisters are coming in and like he's got to get them in.
[00:51:05]  The dad's against this and it's just, it's a fucking mess.
[00:51:08]  And so Nexium employs a guy named Javal Aviv, who is the owner of a security firm called Interfor, which I love that.
[00:51:18]  I love great names.
[00:51:19]  Called shit like that.
[00:51:20]  And a very controversial Israeli private spook to spy on its enemies.
[00:51:26]  So Javal Aviv is most famous for being hired by Pan Am, the now defunct airline, in relation to a lawsuit by family members of passengers who were killed in the Lockerbie bombing, which was officially blamed on Libya and which Gaddafi eventually took the blame for.
[00:51:44]  Now, Javal put forth a separate argument for what might have gone down.
[00:51:50]  He claimed that it was a combined like Hezbollah, Iran, PFLP general command operation in conjunction with the Syrian arms dealer Manzar al-Qassar, who was dealing heroin via the airlines.
[00:52:03]  Like he was smuggling heroin in baggages on the airlines.
[00:52:06]  Now, in Javal Aviv's claim, the CIA, and later he claims the DEA, discovered this and were trying to make a deal with Al-Qassar and the PFLPGC Hezbollah to free hostages in Lebanon.
[00:52:20]  In exchange, they were going to let this heroin flow freely through the airport.
[00:52:24]  So then, and this gets a little hazy there, Iran or the PFLP, GC, then used Turkish Islamists to exchange a heroin bag with a bomb bag, which led to the Lockerbie bombing, which claimed 259 lives.
[00:52:42]  So to be clear, the U.S.'s claim here is that Libya did it, that like Libyan agents did this.
[00:52:50]  And then this guy who claims to have been or maybe really was an Israeli spy, now private, working for Pan Am, hired by Pan Am, is claiming that the CIA slash DEA's negligence slash permission allowed this bomb on the plane.
[00:53:07]  And this is the guy that Nexium hires.
[00:53:09]  This is the guy that Nexium hires.
[00:53:10]  The U.S. government denies the claims, which were disproven, quote, in court.
[00:53:15]  Libya was blamed, and eventually Gaddafi handed over a couple of people, blah, blah, blah, Lockerbie bombing.
[00:53:19]  I feel like a lot of people know about that.
[00:53:21]  So a little more about Javal's backstory.
[00:53:25]  So he also claims to have been the leader of the vengeance operations that track down the black September militants involved in the Munich killings, made famous by the movie Munich.
[00:53:36]  He claims to have given a bunch of interviews to George Jonas, who wrote the book Vengeance, which Munich was based off of.
[00:53:43]  So he also claims in court, I mean, at this point, Javal is like, is running this like Wall Street interfor, like corporate espionage private intelligence firm.
[00:53:54]  He claims in court, Javal Aviv is flown to court in Canada and claims in court that Conrad Black, the disgraced Canadian financier and owner of the Jerusalem Post, had tens of millions of dollars hidden in offshore accounts.
[00:54:07]  This was during a huge like fraud trial that Conrad Black was undergoing, which I believe he lost.
[00:54:14]  Yeah, he ended up getting pardoned by Trump, remember?
[00:54:16]  He did end up getting, he was very good friends with Trump.
[00:54:18]  Yeah, he did end up getting pardoned by Trump.
[00:54:20]  This is actually, funnily enough, what Javal is explaining here is the kind of stuff that Epstein himself was up to, this sort of offshoring and hiding money.
[00:54:29]  Interestingly enough, Conrad Black had previously outbid Charles Bronfman and Robert Maxwell, who had combined forces in an offer for the Jerusalem Post to buy a controlling stake in it in the newspaper in 1989, which is just an interesting little tidbit there.
[00:54:46]  Yeah, a lot of crossover with a lot of these people.
[00:54:49]  And of course, Epstein had worked on the Siegmund's merger, blah, blah, blah.
[00:54:52]  He won his big case at Bear Stearns.
[00:54:53]  Weirdly enough, George Jonas, the guy who wrote Vengeance, which Munich is based off, is so close to the Black family that he is going to be buried in the same graveyard plot as them.
[00:55:05]  So if this connection is making a little sense, Javal Aviv was interviewed, so he says, for vengeance by George Jonas and then later testifies against Conrad Black.
[00:55:15]  George Jonas used to be married to Conrad Black's current wife, who, by the way, her fucking biography reads is British spy, if anyone's does, but it's neither here nor there.
[00:55:28]  And is so close to the family still that he's going to be buried next to his ex-wife in Conrad Black.
[00:55:33]  Very weird.
[00:55:34]  So Javal himself claims to have been involved with Robert Maxwell.
[00:55:38]  And in fact, there are claims that he was hired by Ghelane to look into Maxwell's death.
[00:55:45]  Specifically, Javal claims that he was hired by Robert Maxwell to basically be involved in the selling of the promised software, which is software that very long story, but basically that Israel and the U.S. were selling to different countries that was sort of this tracking software that had a back door that was in it.
[00:56:10]  And Robert Maxwell was selling the backdoor software, which is part of the big, one of the main theories as to why he might have been killed.
[00:56:18]  He claims that Javal Aviv claims to be one of the last people that spoke to Danny Casalero before he died.
[00:56:24]  And in 2006, Javal Aviv wrote a book called Max, which the book is a fictionalized account of the murder of Robert Maxwell by Israeli agents who are attempting to blackmail over promise software.
[00:56:39]  All these people are just constantly blackmailing each other.
[00:56:42]  It's so fucking crazy.
[00:56:43]  Nexium, the Bronfmans, Sam Bronfman, the, you know, I mean, who's peddling alcohol with the mob, they're all blackmailing each other.
[00:56:53]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:56:53]  It's just so insane.
[00:56:55]  Before they start doing it with Hoover.
[00:56:57]  Pause.
[00:56:58]  But yeah, yeah.
[00:56:59]  I mean, maybe.
[00:57:00]  Maybe.
[00:57:00]  There's photos.
[00:57:01]  There's photos.
[00:57:03]  It's just so like, that's such a weird nexus of people.
[00:57:07]  And so there's a lot of con.
[00:57:08]  I had first come across Javal Aviv's name in that.
[00:57:11]  I keep wanting to call him Javal McGee, by the way, which is a joke for like maybe 30 of our listeners.
[00:57:17]  I don't know what you're talking about.
[00:57:18]  That's all right.
[00:57:18]  I came across him in a book about Robert Maxwell being a Mossad spy.
[00:57:24]  He kind of very much strikes me as an Ari Ben Menashe type figure.
[00:57:28]  Yeah.
[00:57:28]  Except less reputable because there's like the complete denial from sources in Israel that he ever worked for Mossad and that in fact he might have just been a low-ranking like security agent at El Al Airlines.
[00:57:41]  But also I'm like, would I believe them if they said that?
[00:57:43]  You know, it's one of those things you're like.
[00:57:46]  I don't really believe anything they say.
[00:57:48]  I mean, I will say he, this man loves to run his mouth.
[00:57:52]  He loves to, I would say this: the fact that he talks this much would not make me hire him to be my private secretary.
[00:57:58]  But my thing, I have a question about this because if you're, let's say you're an ex-spy.
[00:58:04]  Yeah.
[00:58:05]  And you have no, you're like, I know that I'm not getting hired again.
[00:58:09]  Either, you know, I got written up too many times or I got fired or nobody wants me, whatever.
[00:58:17]  Do you feel like your only recourse is one, writing fictionalized accounts of your travels and travails to running your mouth to anyone that will listen?
[00:58:28]  It's like in that sense, it makes sense to me that it could be true.
[00:58:32]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:58:33]  Yeah.
[00:58:34]  I mean, it's, it's, I would say that I bet some of this is true and some of this isn't.
[00:58:39]  Like, I do kind of think he made up the entire PFLP GC.
[00:58:43]  Like his, his narrative of the Lockerbie bombing does not seem to be true.
[00:58:48]  But also the U.S. government responded so harshly against him.
[00:58:52]  Like they basically sued him and set him up in this different lawsuit about a completely different deal that he was working on as retaliation for this.
[00:58:59]  Like, and so it's like, well, then why would they do that if he's just some dude that's fucking lying?
[00:59:04]  And like, it's, it gets very tangled.
[00:59:07]  You know, Interfor is still around.
[00:59:09]  I called them yesterday.
[00:59:10]  There was no answer, unfortunately.
[00:59:13]  It seems like it's run by possibly his son, Dawn of Eve.
[00:59:17]  Great name.
[00:59:18]  I'm not really sure he was hiring these guys.
[00:59:20]  Their website does not look great to me.
[00:59:22]  Yeah.
[00:59:23]  But I ordered a copy of his book, Max, which I was unable to find.
[00:59:28]  I mean, I didn't look very hard, but he was interviewed on Fox and Friends in 2006 about it, where he claims that the book is actually entirely true, but he had to fictionalize it or else something bad would happen.
[00:59:38]  Much like some of our episodes.
[00:59:39]  And then there's also rumors that George Jonas made up All of Vengeance Anyways, that the whole thing's a fucking lie, and that Spielberg.
[00:59:47]  Then Spielberg claims that he uncovered evidence that Javal Aviv is a real ex-Mossade spy.
[00:59:52]  So it's all tangled.
[00:59:54]  But what does that have to do with Nexium?
[00:59:56]  So Javal Aviv and Interfor were retained by Nexium in 2003 after the Forbes article came out.
[01:00:05]  So in that Forbes article, and certainly in other, I believe in that Forbes article, but in other sort of like contemporary negative articles about Nexium, a famed cult deprogrammer named Rick Ross is quoted.
[01:00:18]  Yeah, and Rick Ross is an interesting, a rather eccentric individual.
[01:00:22]  We won't go too deep into it.
[01:00:24]  All Rick Ross's.
[01:00:24]  All Rick Ross's.
[01:00:25]  Yeah, it's really true.
[01:00:26]  All Rick Ross's.
[01:00:27]  It's kind of a cursed name.
[01:00:30]  In blast.
[01:00:31]  Inblast, yeah.
[01:00:32]  So Rick Ross had several former Nexium members that he was speaking to, plus he was apparently in photographs of Keith Rainier with a red bow tied around his erect penis.
[01:00:43]  Now, we know from leaked WhatsApp messages that Keith Rainier at least claims to have a 7.5-inch penis.
[01:00:51]  Whether that penis-I love how you say that, like, we know that.
[01:00:54]  Well, we know that he claims that.
[01:00:56]  I can't say I'm sure that there's a picture.
[01:00:57]  I didn't know he claimed that.
[01:00:58]  He claims that.
[01:00:59]  Well, he claims that because he's talking to a woman who had recently slept with somebody else and that he has also slept with, and she says, and he asks about the other guy's penis.
[01:01:09]  The woman responds that the man's penis is 6.75 inches.
[01:01:14]  And he asks, is this penis longer than mine?
[01:01:17]  And the woman responds rather timidly, yes.
[01:01:20]  And he says, wrong, you're lying.
[01:01:22]  My penis is 7.5 inches, his is 6.75 inches.
[01:01:26]  And she's like, how do you know that?
[01:01:27]  And he says that basically implies that guys know things about each other because they masturbate together, which I want to say for the record is not here.
[01:01:35]  I'm not true, and I've never jacked off.
[01:01:39]  I know the only reason I know guys' penis sizes is because I asked them just bluntly straight out and then I measure them.
[01:01:46]  I don't just eyeball it.
[01:01:48]  You don't do like a guesstimate?
[01:01:49]  The guesstimate, yeah.
[01:01:51]  Anyways, Rick Ross basically is building this dossier on Nexium.
[01:01:55]  And Javal, Aviv, and Interfor, at Keith Rainier's request, compile a dossier on Ross.
[01:02:02]  And then Aviv gets an actress to pose as the wealthy, distraught mother of a Nexium member to fool Ross into meeting.
[01:02:09]  Ross does go to Aviv's office and then, you know, it makes it very clear over the intervening weeks that he refuses to meet with this girl in Nexium alone.
[01:02:17]  That he's like, yeah, there should be like her mother there, somebody who cares about her.
[01:02:20]  Like, I'm not going to meet in the room with her alone.
[01:02:22]  Like, don't worry.
[01:02:23]  And they try to get him to go on a cruise ship to meet the girl.
[01:02:27]  And he sort of backs down.
[01:02:29]  And I think it's just the cruise ship detail is very interesting to me because there are implications, certainly, in some of the writing about this, that the plan might have been to throw Rick Ross off the cruise ship, which would have very much mirrored the book that Aviv was possibly working on about Robert Maxwell, who he claims that he knew.
[01:02:47]  It would be crazy if that was like his only move.

=== The Bang Bang Moment (07:59) ===

[01:02:50]  Was to throw the guy off the ship.
[01:02:52]  It's a killer move.
[01:02:54]  It is.
[01:02:54]  Well, throwing a guy off a cruise ship is even better because they might die from the height and not just like a bang bang on the side of the ship.
[01:03:01]  The bang bang on the side of the ship.
[01:03:02]  Yeah, you get a bang bang or a also could stow away in the little extra tiny boat they have on the side sometimes or slip into it.
[01:03:11]  So you got to kind of like maybe hit him on the head and then dump him in a game.
[01:03:15]  It was a Colombo episode.
[01:03:17]  Well, no, she just killed in the cabin.
[01:03:19]  So I just, you know, Aviv is sort of a little distant from necessarily what the thrust of this episode is, but I thought it was just so interesting that I had to go into it for a little bit.
[01:03:32]  Well, let's get back to Sarah Bronfman, because the last time we left her, she was getting freaky with a llama.
[01:03:52]  She was getting – well, yeah, yes.
[01:03:54]  She was getting – she was getting – It's a way to put it.
[01:03:57]  She was getting loved by the llama in the lagina.
[01:04:01]  And she has a taste for these possibly these foreign, you know, these suave foreign gigolos.
[01:04:11]  But unfortunately, the llama, for some reason or another, stops having crazy, freaky beaky tantric sex with Sarah Brompfman's private parts.
[01:04:24]  There are reports that she's heartbroken, I will say.
[01:04:27]  And enter Bayset Igtet.
[01:04:33]  So if you might recall from the little intro we did for this episode, there were a couple of igtets in Libya's recent history.
[01:04:40]  Now, a lot of this stuff comes from Bayset Igtet himself, so take it with maybe a grain of salt.
[01:04:46]  But he claims his grandfather was an irregular tribal horseman against the Italians fighting against the colonizer in 1911.
[01:04:54]  It's probably true.
[01:04:56]  He claims that his father was one of the first PhDs in Libya and was, there's a couple different stories.
[01:05:06]  There's one that he was like, you know, rose up against Gaddafi and then had to flee the country to Pakistan and he was smothered there by Gaddafi's agents.
[01:05:15]  And then there's another that he stole millions of dollars from Gaddafi and then fled to Pakistan and Gaddafi's agents killed him there.
[01:05:23]  Stop doing what?
[01:05:24]  Pronouncing it the way that they liked it to be pronounced.
[01:05:28]  Nevertheless, he died in Pakistan and Bayet spends most of his life.
[01:05:32]  Bazit is born in Benghazi, which we'll get back to in a little bit because Benghazi as both a place and an incident is germane to the rest of this episode.
[01:05:43]  So Bayset spends most of the rest of his life in Switzerland.
[01:05:47]  He seems to be very much a striver for a position as sort of a Middle East go-between for European and Gulf business interests.
[01:05:54]  At one point, he's involved with this like Middle Eastern gold company that's based in Liechtenstein, and he eventually works for a mega yacht company based out of Switzerland.
[01:06:04]  He doesn't appear to actually have himself that much money, but he really pumps himself up like he would have a lot of money.
[01:06:12]  Now, I've seen lots of videos of him speaking.
[01:06:16]  His English is actually, I will say, like surprisingly really bad.
[01:06:20]  That's weird.
[01:06:21]  I know.
[01:06:21]  It's weird because Switzerland, you'd expect like sort of the education there.
[01:06:27]  Just also like the fact that he's also been married to an American woman for a number of years.
[01:06:31]  She's not very, he's very, he's very awkward in his speech patterns and his language choice.
[01:06:38]  But he's a handsome guy, you know, a little sort of slight-figured.
[01:06:44]  Not maybe the beefiest gentleman.
[01:06:46]  Certainly the monk that Sarah Bronfman had previously been shtupping was a little better endowed just physically in general.
[01:06:55]  I don't know about his penis length, but I'm talking about perhaps pectoral length.
[01:07:00]  But he doesn't appear to have that much money.
[01:07:02]  And it's unclear exactly how he met Sarah Bronfman.
[01:07:07]  I'm assuming possibly via a Nexium class.
[01:07:10]  I mean, it seems like he would take one of their executive workshops.
[01:07:16]  He definitely seems like the type of person who would take their workshops.
[01:07:19]  And Nexium was very interested in recruiting internationals.
[01:07:24]  Yeah, Mexico.
[01:07:25]  A couple president's sons were parts of Nexium.
[01:07:27]  I believe Sarah might have even fucked one of them.
[01:07:29]  I mean, they were trafficking in people.
[01:07:32]  Yes.
[01:07:32]  So Bazit and Sarah get together.
[01:07:36]  Now, someone else that gets together Around the same time, about 2011, is NATO, when several leaders of NATO countries decide that they are going to kill Muammar Gaddafi for trying to form the United States of Africa.
[01:07:55]  So in 2011, amid the rising bloodbath of the Arab Spring, Libya kicks the fuck off.
[01:08:02]  The rebel forces, oftentimes with shady links or themselves outright jihadists, overtake the teeny beleaguered armed forces of Libya.
[01:08:10]  So Libya is actually, and we talk about this extensively in our episode with Felix that we did on Benghazi.
[01:08:15]  Yeah.
[01:08:16]  Called, I believe, Benghazi?
[01:08:17]  No, wasn't it Hillary Den 91?
[01:08:19]  Hillary did 9-11.
[01:08:20]  Yeah, you're right.
[01:08:20]  My God.
[01:08:21]  Yeah.
[01:08:24]  But Libya is fairly well developed.
[01:08:26]  Gaddafi put a lot of that oil wealth to good use, has much higher living standards than a lot of its neighboring countries.
[01:08:32]  It's doing very well.
[01:08:35]  At that time.
[01:08:36]  But Gaddafi, you know, he was a mercurial gentleman and he – He swung all kinds of ways.
[01:08:42]  All kinds.
[01:08:43]  He just – Which – Which nowadays is celebrated.
[01:08:45]  It's celebrated.
[01:08:45]  It's celebrated.
[01:08:46]  The quirkiness that Gaddafi exhibited during much of his career would nowadays be taken as a positive, but at the time was seen as a mark of shame.
[01:08:55]  Just shows you.
[01:08:56]  Just shows you.
[01:08:57]  So Gaddafi lent some money to Sarkozy.
[01:09:00]  Sarkozy wanted, that's the president of France, wanted Gaddafi gone before the debts were called in.
[01:09:06]  And so when the heat was turning up on Gaddafi, the French and the Americans and a couple of their little friends too turned that heat the fuck up.
[01:09:15]  Gaddafi was chased into a ditch and sodomized to death with a knife by jihadists under United States air support.
[01:09:23]  So in that death of Gaddafi, Keith Ranier of Nexium, Sarah Bromfin, and Bezet Igtet sense an opportunity.
[01:09:32]  This country, while suffering from deep trauma and loss, would be perfect for the Nexium group to expand to.
[01:09:38]  We should say that in this moment, there are a lot of people that are salivating over what might come in the vacuum of power that Gaddafi's murder had revealed, right?
[01:09:53]  That there were a lot of people sort of like angling and seeing what could happen, you know, whether it was NGOs, NATO forces, clandestine forces, slave traders, like you know, Egypt, Russia, America, like everyone.
[01:10:08]  Everyone's getting involved.
[01:10:09]  You got to get the fuck in there.
[01:10:10]  It's a melting pot.
[01:10:11]  Because terrible fucking people.
[01:10:13]  Libya's got a lot of fucking oil and money.
[01:10:17]  And so it's like, and Gaddafi himself had a huge personal fortune, which we'll get to in a moment.
[01:10:22]  Gaddafi's gold.
[01:10:23]  Gaddafi's gold.
[01:10:28]  Which has a great ring to it.
[01:10:29]  So a month after Gaddafi is killed, Bayzit Igtet, who is at this point now just like with Sarah Bromfin, travels to Libya with Sarah and a guy named Adam Hawk, plus a man named Joseph Hagen.
[01:10:41]  This is under the banner of Igtet's newly formed Independent Libya Foundation.
[01:10:48]  So first, there's a lot to get into with that.

=== Libya Trip Mystery (14:36) ===

[01:10:50]  But first, I want to talk about Joseph Hagen.
[01:10:53]  So he is a little bit like Javal Aviv, a consultant on security affairs.
[01:11:01]  Interesting.
[01:11:02]  Runs something called Command Consulting.
[01:11:04]  Great name.
[01:11:05]  And this is from an old bio of him, I think, taken from the White House website during George W. Bush's term.
[01:11:09]  Can you read this?
[01:11:11]  Joseph, is this like his CV?
[01:11:13]  This is his old CV.
[01:11:14]  Okay.
[01:11:14]  It's since changed.
[01:11:16]  Joseph W. Hagen is assistant to the president and deputy chief of staff.
[01:11:21]  The former deputy campaign manager for Bush Cheney 2000, Mr. Hagen also served in both the George H.W. Bush and Reagan administrations.
[01:11:29]  Mr. Hagen has extensive experience in both the public and private sector.
[01:11:34]  Prior to joining the Bush Cheney 2000 campaign, he was vice president for corporate affairs for Chiquita Brands International, Inc.
[01:11:42]  From 1993 until December 2000.
[01:11:46]  Mr. Hagen was chairman of the Portman for Congress campaign.
[01:11:50]  Natalie Portman's ill-fated run for Congress, of course.
[01:11:53]  Mr. Hagen served for two years on the White House staff as appointments secretary to President George H.W. Bush from 1991 to 1993.
[01:12:03]  So he later worked for Trump and was one of the people who was apparently instrumental in setting up the meeting with Kim Jong-un.
[01:12:10]  But he's basically just like a like.
[01:12:14]  He's an operator, right?
[01:12:15]  He's a demonstration.
[01:12:15]  Yeah, I think if you're handling the quote-unquote appointments for HW.
[01:12:21]  Yeah.
[01:12:22]  Come on, man.
[01:12:23]  Exactly.
[01:12:23]  What are you doing?
[01:12:24]  So the other guy with them.
[01:12:25]  Off the books.
[01:12:26]  And I cannot figure out for the life of me.
[01:12:28]  I'll admit, I didn't do over much research on this guy because I got a little distracted.
[01:12:33]  But the other guy with them is this guy, Adam Hawk, who is quote, a.
[01:12:37]  Hagen and Hawk?
[01:12:38]  Hagen and Hawk is a, quote, businessman and nightclub partner.
[01:12:43]  Now, Adam Hawk's biggest claim to fame was he made a ton of headlines shortly after this Libya trip for breaking the nose of the Prince of Monaco in a neat packing district nightclub.
[01:12:55]  Interesting.
[01:12:56]  He claims to have been, and I quote, I am quoting, defending the honor of supermodels, which the young Prince of Monaco was trying to get with.
[01:13:06]  I believe that.
[01:13:07]  He was, he basically like, he, there was like, he was chilling with like the owner of this nightclub and these three supermodels, or that's probably just models, at their table or whatever, getting bottle service, et cetera.
[01:13:19]  Prince of Monaco comes up with like four other young, Prince Monitor's like 25 at this point.
[01:13:24]  He comes up with Paris Hilton's like Greek DJ ex-boyfriend and a couple other guys like that.
[01:13:29]  Oh my god, what was the guy's fucking name?
[01:13:30]  I don't remember.
[01:13:32]  I read it when I was putting these notes together.
[01:13:33]  Shit, how am I forgetting?
[01:13:34]  Oh my God, I'm so embarrassed of my girl credentials and I'm forgetting.
[01:13:37]  I will look.
[01:13:39]  Paris Hilton Greek ex-boyfriend.
[01:13:42]  His name is Stavros Nyarkos.
[01:13:45]  I knew that.
[01:13:45]  Stavros.
[01:13:46]  I was going to say Stavros, but then I was getting this.
[01:13:48]  Stavros Halkios.
[01:13:49]  Yeah, I know.
[01:13:50]  I don't think that was an official thing.
[01:13:53]  And, you know, the Prince of Monaco comes up and is like, let me sit at this table and talk to these beautiful women.
[01:13:59]  And Adam Hawk, who's like 45, this kind of bigger guy, gets up and one punch breaks the Prince of Monaco's nose.
[01:14:05]  Wow.
[01:14:05]  And they say chivalry is dead.
[01:14:07]  This is heavily covered.
[01:14:09]  I got to be honest, probably 20 articles in the New York Post about this.
[01:14:12]  Like, clearly Hawk at him on the fucking line every night because they're very much pro Adam Hawk.
[01:14:17]  But he is later banned from Monaco itself and not allowed to attend, specifically not allowed to attend, Naomi Campbell's birthday bash at the Billionaire Club.
[01:14:27]  I do feel like as a businessman and nightclub owner, getting banned from Monaco is a pretty tough one to say well.
[01:14:34]  And you know what?
[01:14:35]  I will say this.
[01:14:36]  Adam Hawk says it's, I barely know it, Will.
[01:14:38]  I get it.
[01:14:38]  I'm going on to a Biza.
[01:14:40]  All my friends can go to Monaco.
[01:14:42]  Naomi Campbell's birthday party at the Billionaires Club in Monaco, I'm going to a Biza.
[01:14:46]  No racetrack in Ibiza, though.
[01:14:49]  It's tough.
[01:14:49]  It's tough.
[01:14:50]  There probably is a racetrack there, no?
[01:14:53]  Not F1.
[01:14:55]  Not F1.
[01:14:56]  F2, maybe.
[01:14:57]  Or just a regular F.
[01:14:58]  So God knows what the fuck this Libya trip was like.
[01:15:02]  I mean, I don't really understand why Adam Hawk was there to get away from this.
[01:15:04]  I gotta say, anyone who's taken a trip to Libya a month after Gaddafi's like, what are you doing?
[01:15:12]  Where are you staying?
[01:15:13]  So I was like, what the fuck is the Independent Libya Foundation?
[01:15:17]  So I was looking into it, and Independent Libya Foundation was subject to a report by the new Libya Report, which is itself a website, which says that all the numbers and associated addresses to the Independent Libya Foundation are completely fake.
[01:15:30]  The addresses don't exist.
[01:15:32]  The phone numbers were never connected.
[01:15:33]  I understand that.
[01:15:34]  It was never registered as any kind of organization.
[01:15:36]  Like, the foundation doesn't exist.
[01:15:38]  Does not exist.
[01:15:39]  Does not exist.
[01:15:39]  It never did.
[01:15:40]  The foundation does not exist.
[01:15:41]  IgTIC claims at this point to be developing a plan with future Brookings president and former commander of NATO forces in Afghanistan, General John Allen.
[01:15:50]  Jesus Christ.
[01:15:51]  Well, this is what IgTIC claims.
[01:15:52]  Coming up with a plan to fix the country's brewing new civil war.
[01:15:57]  Yeah, so at this point, right, what's happening in Libya is outright, like just total chaos.
[01:16:04]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:16:04]  Like, Gaddafi's dead, and there's these sort of like competing institutions.
[01:16:09]  We talked a little bit about this.
[01:16:11]  It's like the, yeah.
[01:16:13]  On the Benghazi episode.
[01:16:16]  There's like the General National Congress, and then there's the National Transitional Council.
[01:16:22]  It's like these sort of attempts to start a government, but they're like feuding and eventually in a situation.
[01:16:27]  A dual power situation.
[01:16:28]  Power situation.
[01:16:32]  You know, IgTet at the same time is like, this country is going to be ripe for investment.
[01:16:37]  So, Bezit IgTet at this time sets up the U.S. Libya Chamber of Commerce, which is, I guess, a subsidiary of the regular U.S. Chamber of Commerce.
[01:16:45]  Which is crazy, but also understandable that they would be involved.
[01:16:49]  Their ass is 100% wet in Libya.
[01:16:53]  Yeah, oh, yeah, yeah, definitely.
[01:16:55]  Chamber of Commerce is just like, it's the cartel.
[01:16:58]  You know, it's so, but the U.S. Libya Chamber of Commerce is weird.
[01:17:03]  So it was founded along with a similar Swiss organization.
[01:17:06]  I think it's the Swiss Libyan Chamber of Commerce, with Bayeset Igtet, Sarah Bronfman, and a man named Richard Griffiths, who claims in his own CV to have worked for Bloomberg, like Mayor Bloomberg, in the Taxicab Limo Commission, which screams mafia to me.
[01:17:22]  Yes.
[01:17:22]  He worked at a publicly traded company called Skakes Tactical, which apparently is like provided military equipment to the U.S.
[01:17:32]  Okay.
[01:17:32]  Although I can't really find any information on them, but again, I didn't look very hard on this one.
[01:17:37]  And he claims himself to have worked with the CIA and FBI, and he speaks Afrikaans.
[01:17:43]  Now, I do want everyone listening to this to keep in mind that the place where he claims this is in the bio section of his Facebook page in some of the most strangely formatted CV I've ever seen.
[01:17:56]  Like this wasn't from LinkedIn.
[01:17:57]  This is like an old screen grab from like his Facebook bio.
[01:18:01]  That does make one doubt perhaps the professionalism of this individual, but he certainly is connected to IgTet and Brothman in some way.
[01:18:09]  So the same year, 2011, Bayzit and Sarah Bronfman start an oil and gas exploration company for Libya called Athol.
[01:18:18]  Now, Athol does not pan out, but there is currently an Athol in Libya that sells what appears to be cheap cosmetic and medical equipment.
[01:18:31]  And it seems like they also had another company called that in France at one point.
[01:18:34]  But meanwhile, while all this is going on, according to basically the only mainstream article covering this stuff, which is in BuzzFeed, Joseph Hagen was actually looking to get his paws on Gaddafi's hidden money.
[01:18:47]  Gaddafi's gold.
[01:18:48]  Gaddafi's gold.
[01:18:53]  So maybe some people don't remember, but after Gaddafi died, there was this huge race by all of the craziest motherfuckers in the world to basically get their hands on Gaddafi's secreted away billions.
[01:19:05]  Rumored to be as high as 400 billion, which I think is bullshit.
[01:19:09]  You know who loved money and wanted money?
[01:19:13]  Keith Ranieri.
[01:19:14]  Absolutely.
[01:19:15]  You know, he needed more money to bet on Oats futures.
[01:19:18]  Well, something that occurs to me also is a huge part of this money was rumored to be in South Africa.
[01:19:26]  And, Of course, they're working closely with this random fucking dude, Richard Griffiths, who speaks Afrikaans.
[01:19:34]  So at this point, Bezit Igtet basically claims to be an emissary from the National Transitional Council, which is kind of like the main government in waiting in Libya, or like the newly forming, very dysfunctional government.
[01:19:47]  And my theory here is that like Rainier was like the National Transitional Council was laying claim to legally, Gaddafi's money was theirs because they're the government.
[01:19:59]  And so with Bayeset Igtet working for, with, around them, like I think that that was his way of like trying to have some legitimacy to his claims to stealing Gaddafi's gold.
[01:20:12]  Like Lama style.
[01:20:13]  Lama style.
[01:20:14]  Lama style.
[01:20:15]  Exactly.
[01:20:16]  So Bezit Igtet and Sarah Bromfin funded John Hagen's search.
[01:20:20]  He says, everyone says he came up empty, but if he didn't come up empty, would they tell us?
[01:20:25]  I don't think so.
[01:20:27]  But Hagen did not come up empty with an introduction to Libya's militia scene.
[01:20:34]  So a year after Benghazi, and this is now 2013, Igtet meets with Abu Qatala, who the U.S. later arrested as the perpetrator of the Benghazi attacks that killed Ambassador Chris Stevens.
[01:20:45]  Now, I don't know if he met with Abu Qatala on Keith Rainier's behalf, but he definitely very much seems that at this point, 2013 to about 2017, Igtet is trying to gain some kind of legitimacy between like militias in Libya, because that's who holds a lot of the power, is like the Surrey.
[01:21:06]  Probably in his brain, the key to Gaddafi's gold.
[01:21:08]  Exactly.
[01:21:09]  Now, I want listeners to keep in mind here, Bayzit Igtet is married to Sarah Bromfman, who is a Jewish woman who is all of her money comes from a liquor fortune.
[01:21:22]  And I just wanted like – Her dad is the president of the World Jewish Congress.
[01:21:27]  Yes.
[01:21:27]  Yes.
[01:21:28]  And so this is just like, I don't know exactly what Bayzit thought his chances of political success were going to be, but one could imagine this.
[01:21:40]  You mean in terms of trying to get buddy-buddy with Abu Qatala?
[01:21:45]  Abu Qatala, yeah.
[01:21:46]  Well, because at this point, in America, so he's meeting with Abu Qatala and Benghazi, but in America, he hires this guy.
[01:21:54]  Do you remember Joe Lieberman?
[01:21:56]  Sure, of course.
[01:21:58]  Connecticut congressman.
[01:21:59]  He hires Joe Lieberman's consulting lobbying firm at 50 fucking racks a month to make inroads in Washington.
[01:22:10]  So it's later reported.
[01:22:11]  So that's also Bromfin money.
[01:22:12]  That's Bromp.
[01:22:12]  Oh, it's all Bronfin money.
[01:22:14]  Like this is the, this is the thing that we got to keep in mind.
[01:22:16]  Igtet isn't independently wealthy.
[01:22:18]  No, and also Nexium is operating on Bromfin money.
[01:22:22]  And this is like during like peak neck.
[01:22:23]  I mean, this is 2013, but this is like peak Nexium time.
[01:22:27]  This is the money is fucking flowing.
[01:22:29]  It's like, I mean, they're cult whatever, we all know it, but like, it's, it's, like, this is all, like, Brompman is bankrupt on all of this.
[01:22:37]  And so this is what I mean earlier when it's like hard to separate this operation from the like general Keith Rainier Nexium operation, influence operations that he was doing.
[01:22:47]  So it's later reported in foreign policy, in a foreign policy article about Bezet Igtet's political aspirations, which makes no mention of Nexium, that Igtet is personal friends with John Kerry and John McCain, the twin Johns of the DC, unfortunately, until one of them was killed by Donald Trump.
[01:23:08]  That would be John McCain.
[01:23:09]  So Igtet bides his time.
[01:23:11]  He's not giving up.
[01:23:12]  And he sees the dysfunction rife within the warring governments of Libya.
[01:23:16]  And at this point, 2014, there is a civil war that is erupting.
[01:23:21]  Like major civil war.
[01:23:22]  Major civil war with a lot of major foreign powers getting involved in it.
[01:23:26]  Yeah, proxy.
[01:23:27]  Proxy.
[01:23:27]  Proxy style.
[01:23:28]  But yeah, and let's say maybe some PMCs as well.
[01:23:35]  So he makes further inroads among the Muslim Brotherhood leadership of not only of Libya, but of Tunisia and Egypt and various fringe Islamist groups.
[01:23:45]  So one article I found says that he receives a pledge from the Al-Bunyan, which come on.
[01:23:52]  Al-Bunyan Al-Marsus Shahid Nuri Friwan Brigade, a former rebel group, that I can only find reference in an article that reports them pledging their support for IgTet.
[01:24:04]  Okay, so fake.
[01:24:05]  So probably fake.
[01:24:06]  Apparently, they're a former member of Libyan Dawn, but there's literally, there's three Google results that come up if you Google them.
[01:24:13]  One of them is, all three of them are this article.
[01:24:16]  So he releases a 10-point plan for Libya that says basically nothing except that they need to create fortified areas.
[01:24:22]  Oh, we need to fortify our – it reminds me of Hillary Clinton's famous – No, Liz, it is so – I've read every single one of Bezit Iktet's policy documents for Libya.
[01:24:33]  They are so Clinton-esque.
[01:24:34]  Well, what was the Clinton famous plan for ISIS tweet?
[01:24:38]  It was like, we need to fortify our response to ISIS.
[01:24:40]  We need to defeat ISIS.
[01:24:42]  It was a great plan.
[01:24:44]  All right.
[01:24:44]  Hillary Clinton tweeted in, oh my God, it's in like each individual panels.
[01:24:51]  It's kind of like an Instagram thing.
[01:24:53]  This is from March 23rd, 2016.
[01:24:55]  Hillary has a three-part plan to defeat ISIS in the Middle East around the world and here at home.
[01:25:00]  At home.
[01:25:01]  Number one, take out ISIS at home.
[01:25:03]  Well, number one, take out ISIS's stronghold in Iraq and Syria.
[01:25:07]  Number two, dismantle the global terror network.
[01:25:10]  Number three, harden our defenses at home and prevent attacks.
[01:25:12]  Harden our defenses.
[01:25:13]  All those ISIS attacks that went down in America.
[01:25:19]  So he's clearly drinking from the same chalice as Clinton here.
[01:25:26]  Info chalice.

=== Running for Prime Minister (04:00) ===

[01:25:27]  So in 2014, Igt decides I am running for prime minister of Libya.
[01:25:32]  Why not?
[01:25:33]  He's described by Libya Herald as one of the, quote, top 17 candidates in the race.
[01:25:39]  Ooh shit.
[01:25:41]  And he eventually drops out because, and I cannot stress this enough, he does not live in Libya.
[01:25:48]  Well, that was fine for Eric Adams.
[01:25:50]  That's true, yeah, yeah.
[01:25:52]  Because what is Albany, New York, but sort of the New Jersey to Libya's New York City.
[01:25:57]  That's what I'm saying.
[01:25:58]  I've always said that.
[01:26:00]  He eventually drops out because, again, he does not live in Libya.
[01:26:04]  But he says, no, don't worry, I'm not running for prime minister.
[01:26:07]  But when we have a new constitution that has a strong presidency, I'm going to run for president.
[01:26:11]  Spoiler alert, this does not happen.
[01:26:14]  But the years pass, and it's now 2017.
[01:26:18]  And Igtit has not given up hope.
[01:26:20]  As Libya's civil war grows ever bloodier, and as the noose tightens around Nexium, Igtit and Brothman play one final card.
[01:26:28]  They're going to do an Arab Spring in Tripoli.
[01:26:31]  Which is sort of crazy to try, like, we're going to do another one.
[01:26:35]  We're going to try to do another one.
[01:26:36]  You can so obviously see from the plan that they laid out that, which is claimed that, like, the dude, who's that guy who always reports, like the Frank report guy?
[01:26:47]  Yeah.
[01:26:47]  That guy claims that Keith Ranieri came up with a plan, but I don't, I mean.
[01:26:51]  Well, the Frank, say what you will.
[01:26:53]  I love the Frank report.
[01:26:54]  Yeah, he was talking about, he had all the Nexium stuff for years.
[01:26:58]  No, I mean, he worked.
[01:26:59]  Well, it's because I think he got burned on some real estate deal with Tara Bronfman and Nexium in L.A.
[01:27:05]  And he just won.
[01:27:07]  You always got to pay your guys.
[01:27:08]  You got to pay your guys.
[01:27:09]  Got to pay your guys.
[01:27:10]  You're going to end up with a grudge, a guy with a grudge and a blog.
[01:27:13]  And I will say, one of his, he wrote an article about the reported, well, I'll get to that at the end, but he wrote an article about Igtet and Brothman's love life that is replete with some of the most colorful language I've ever read on the internet.
[01:27:29]  It's incredible.
[01:27:30]  So the plan is this.
[01:27:33]  Igtet announces on Facebook that he's going to have a huge demonstration at Martyr Square in Tripoli and what he is calling the 25th of September movement.
[01:27:41]  Now he's saying this is going to happen obviously on the 25th of September.
[01:27:44]  He names it that movement like before it even happens.
[01:27:48]  Now this is hyped up.
[01:27:50]  It's like very obvious that like they try to place these articles in local press.
[01:27:54]  There's press releases from Bayzet Igtet.
[01:27:56]  There's armed groups that are rumored to be supporting them.
[01:28:00]  And then on the 25th of September, Bayzit Igtet flies in that day from out of the country.
[01:28:07]  The Libya Observer meets him for an interview where he effusively praises the airport staff for being nice to him, even though his passport wasn't in the system because he's been to Libya like twice since moving from there as a child.
[01:28:18]  And then he goes to a demonstration where less than a thousand people come and go over the course of the day.
[01:28:24]  And there are different reports of how many counter-protesters are.
[01:28:28]  I've seen from like a couple dozen to 700, but there are multiple people there like wanting him to leave the country immediately, which he obliges by leaving that same day without ever giving a speech.
[01:28:38]  And the most press that he does is the Libya Observer English language interview on YouTube for six minutes about the airport staff.
[01:28:48]  But his security chief has a rather more difficult night.
[01:28:53]  Liz, could you read this article from I believe this is the Libya Herald?
[01:28:58]  It's reported that one of Bezet Igtet's security advisors died in a shooting incident just hours after he met with Igtet yesterday.
[01:29:07]  The man, named as Bashir Garira, is said to have died after being shot outside his home this morning in Sukhal Juma.
[01:29:17]  Yesterday, he was photographed as part of the welcoming group for Igtet on his arrival at Matiga Airport from Tunis.
[01:29:24]  The family says that he was killed while he was cleaning his gun.

=== Sarah Brofman's New Romance (03:40) ===

[01:29:27]  Okay.
[01:29:29]  There are other claims, however, that he was followed home and shot, although no reasons have been given as to why anyone would want to kill him.
[01:29:38]  Well, we've got a couple reasons.
[01:29:40]  A couple reasons.
[01:29:40]  Igtet makes no statement on the assassination of a security chief, but he does release a video pledging to form a new Libyan government by that October.
[01:29:51]  And then he disappears.
[01:29:53]  Yeah.
[01:29:54]  So he and Sarah Brompmen, you know, Nexium, as we all know, blows up, everyone gets in trouble.
[01:29:59]  He and Sarah Brompen move to France, invest and fail at their investment in a hotel, start and fail at a Keith Rainiera-inspired school, and now, according to the Frank Report, have broken.
[01:30:12]  Yeah.
[01:30:13]  So according to the Frank Report, Sarah Brompen has taken up with a young Portuguese man.
[01:30:21]  And in attempting to reason as to why this happened, this is what the Frank Report reports.
[01:30:27]  Perhaps, she recalled, after two children and a decade of Bassett, replete with vicissitudes of reputational fortune, the amours of the past when she experienced a succession of satisfying, swarthy Latino lovers down Mexico Way, both before, after, and in between her delight with a certain American, short, it is true, square-footed, with a case of strabismus,
[01:30:56]  but whose athleticism, he was a judo master, and volleyball king, was surpassed only by his ethics and the fact that he was officially declared, at least in Australia, to be the smartest man in the world, and later confirmed by a study the man who alone was smart enough to do such a study himself wrote and published that confirmed that his problem-solving rarity was one in 425 million.
[01:31:23]  And as to past amours, to set the record straight, lest one think infidelity is habit, the Hispanic contingent was decidedly, although shortly, perhaps minutes after that petite but well-proportioned man she married in a fever and divorced in a cold sweat, a surprisingly athletic man, as wiry and nimble on a horse as he was climbing in and out of her bed, had fully ridden away.
[01:31:46]  And now, after all this and a wearying decade of Bassett, comes young Adonis.
[01:31:54]  What a hell of a rider this Frank Report guy is.
[01:31:57]  It's funny because what a read by this podcaster.
[01:32:01]  Thank you.
[01:32:02]  First time I've seen that text.
[01:32:04]  First read.
[01:32:07]  This is Frank Report describing her affair with two Mexican men and Keith Raniere, as if you couldn't tell by the long description there.
[01:32:18]  And the vicissitudes in the second clause, you know it's going to be a banger.
[01:32:22]  Bayset Igted, who, by the way, she did bear a child with.
[01:32:26]  And as now, according to Frank Report, she has taken up with, he uses this word many times, a young Portuguese Adonis.
[01:32:35]  All right.
[01:32:36]  Which is, yeah, a younger, I could say an Adonis.
[01:32:40]  You know what's crazy is that reading about some of the fallout for Sarah after the Nexium stuff is that she actually stands to make money off the whole thing.
[01:32:51]  How so?
[01:32:52]  So, like, she was one of the co-owners of the Albany property, and that goes into sale by, you know, the, you know, after it was, you know, taken over by the U.S. Attorney's Office.

=== Gold Fever Adventure (03:50) ===

[01:33:07]  That goes into sale.
[01:33:08]  And so she ends up making money off of that property, I believe.
[01:33:12]  Wow.
[01:33:13]  Which is fucking crazy.
[01:33:14]  Yeah, because it's probably worth a while.
[01:33:16]  Or people were speculating about that at least.
[01:33:18]  Wow.
[01:33:19]  I mean, yeah, she seems to have like, you know, there's a, her website's down now, but sarahbronfman.co.uk did feature I have no involvement with Nexium on it as of like a 2021.
[01:33:30]  Well, you know what they say about thou doth protest too much.
[01:33:35]  My thinks.
[01:33:36]  Yeah.
[01:33:39]  I will say, if this is truly the end for Bayeset Igtet and Sarah Brofman Igtet, then I say love is beautiful, but it can be a fleeting thing.
[01:33:50]  You know, Gaddafi loved his country.
[01:33:53]  He loved Libya.
[01:33:54]  He loved the Libyan people.
[01:33:55]  He loved beautiful women almost as much as I do.
[01:34:01]  But more importantly than that, he loved the United States of Africa.
[01:34:04]  And he was killed because of that.
[01:34:07]  And it seems that you need to just, you can only really, you can, there's a certain amount of love that we're able to give in this world.
[01:34:14]  And Bayzit's love torn between his love of his country, Libya, his love of his wife and the organization she and he belong to.
[01:34:23]  He's his country.
[01:34:24]  A country.
[01:34:25]  A country that he lived in at one point called Libya briefly during childhood and occasionally visited in the search for the deposed leader's gold.
[01:34:36]  You know, I think that if he had just worked on his marriage instead of worked on Abu Qatala, then I think things could have turned out different.
[01:34:45]  Also, just as a final note, if you have any clues about Gaddafi's gold, as always, hit the DMs.
[01:34:56]  I want to know where the gold's at.
[01:34:58]  Give me the gold.
[01:34:59]  I want the gold.
[01:35:00]  I will say, all of the terrible stuff in this story aside, and that's a lot, just let for one second, I do love an adventure with a ragtag group trying to track down a deposed man's gold.
[01:35:16]  I got to tell you, a lot of people who've tried to find gold in the past have been not so great people.
[01:35:21]  A lot of times it was Polish people trying to do it, and you're not sending your best.
[01:35:25]  Well, not really a best to send from, really.
[01:35:29]  But whole country's kind of the backbench, you know what I'm saying?
[01:35:31]  I'm trying to be polite.
[01:35:33]  Yeah, that's true.
[01:35:35]  I'm trying to be on team right there.
[01:35:36]  Okay, yeah.
[01:35:37]  I mean, I would say work in the whole light bulb screwing thing first, but maybe gold can provide certain light if you want to.
[01:35:42]  I think the three of us could find gold.
[01:35:44]  Yeah.
[01:35:45]  Oh, I have a, I would say a terminal case of gold fever.
[01:35:50]  I love gold.
[01:35:51]  I'm really good at reading directions, and I have a really good sense of direction.
[01:35:56]  Yeah, me too.
[01:35:57]  And so I think that that combined with a treasure map could bring us riches, power, fame, fortune, et cetera.
[01:36:05]  Like, I think if we had tried to find the treasures of Sierra Madra, it wouldn't have gone down like that.
[01:36:09]  The problem is, is that it's really about the process, where I think that we would all learn a lot in the process of trying to track down the gold.
[01:36:19]  But if we were to find the gold, we would obviously, one, be cursed and all three die in very mysterious and tantalizing ways, which good for the legacy, bad for the podcast.
[01:36:29]  for the show, really bad for the show.
[01:36:32]  Well, with that being said, you know, the show might end, but we'll possibly get gold, maybe die.
[01:36:38]  If you do know where the gold is, please let us know.
[01:36:41]  And that is the story of Nexium in Libya.
[01:36:45]  My name is Brace Belden.
[01:36:48]  I'm Liz.
[01:36:49]  We are, of course, joined by producer Young Chomsky, and this has been Druinon.
[01:36:53]  We'll see you next time.
[01:36:55]  Which sounds like Nexium when I say it real fast.