True Anon Truth Feed - Episode 341: The Clean-Up Crew
Aired: 2023-12-18
Duration: 01:13:34


=== Liz Is Cold (15:18) ===

[00:00:00]  Let's talk about the elephant in the room.
[00:00:02]  Liz is cold.
[00:00:03]  I'm so cold.
[00:00:04]  Describe it for me, Liz.
[00:00:06]  My coldness?
[00:00:06]  Yeah, describe it.
[00:00:07]  It starts in my toes.
[00:00:08]  It starts in your toes and it works.
[00:00:10]  It starts in my toes and works its way up.
[00:00:12]  And I have crazy thick socks on, which you guys know about because I told you guys to get them.
[00:00:16]  I bought a pair of them, which is right now.
[00:00:21]  Aren't they really warm?
[00:00:22]  I do, yes.
[00:00:23]  They're crazy warm.
[00:00:24]  And I say this: I want to say something to our listeners right there.
[00:00:27]  A lot of the times I feel like the subtle message that I give to you in my interactions with Liz is that I don't buy things she tells me to buy.
[00:00:35]  Actually, I feel like the opposite of that is true.
[00:00:37]  I buy her everything.
[00:00:39]  Because I send you affiliate links, so I get a little bit off the top.
[00:00:42]  Liz, I have spent so much money on Liz's Amazon wish list these past two years.
[00:00:47]  But Liz right now is in, I don't understand.
[00:00:51]  What do you do if you want to have sex with somebody?
[00:00:53]  I'm going to start just putting that in my email signature.
[00:00:55]  I'm sitting here to you.
[00:01:00]  Liz is ensconced, I would say, in a bundled in fabrics.
[00:01:06]  This is my big winter coat, which is quite heavy.
[00:01:09]  It's a heavy coat.
[00:01:10]  It's a heavy coat.
[00:01:11]  It's so heavy that I'm like, I debate wearing it because I feel like it hurts my neck.
[00:01:16]  You always complain about weird shit.
[00:01:18]  Like, your coat hurts your fucking neck.
[00:01:21]  I know that sounds crazy.
[00:01:23]  Listen, okay.
[00:01:24]  Pick this up.
[00:01:26]  All right.
[00:01:26]  We're going to do a little.
[00:01:27]  Wait, I'm going to put it on the chair.
[00:01:29]  So I'm not even touching it.
[00:01:30]  All right.
[00:01:30]  Well, he can't have dead air, so go back to the mic.
[00:01:33]  There's no dead air.
[00:01:34]  He just edits it out.
[00:01:37]  Oh my God.
[00:01:38]  This coat hurts my neck.
[00:01:39]  It's really heavy, though, isn't it?
[00:01:41]  Do you see what I'm talking about?
[00:01:42]  Wait, I'm really cold, though.
[00:01:43]  I need that come back.
[00:02:09]  Drop the socks.
[00:02:10]  Listen, when I start my sub stack with that only has recommendations from me and is also only affiliate marketing based.
[00:02:19]  That's a good idea.
[00:02:20]  That's when they'll learn about the socks.
[00:02:22]  You think you could do that?
[00:02:22]  Like if we got sued or something and we had to stop, you think you could do an affiliate marketing sub stack?
[00:02:27]  I don't even want to entertain that as an option.
[00:02:30]  Okay, say that I get, I have died.
[00:02:34]  Don't say that.
[00:02:35]  Okay, fine.
[00:02:37]  Fine.
[00:02:38]  I'm elected.
[00:02:39]  First of all, obviously we already have a contingency plan in place for that, which is AI, obviously.
[00:02:44]  I would do that.
[00:02:45]  Yeah, Groc's woke.
[00:02:46]  And now so is Brace.
[00:02:47]  I am woke.
[00:02:48]  Well, your Grok is.
[00:02:50]  Yeah, no, but I. Maybe we should all get Grok's.
[00:02:53]  Can that happen?
[00:02:54]  Grok.
[00:02:55]  I don't understand.
[00:02:55]  Like, we should sign up for Twitter Blue?
[00:02:59]  No, but I'm, I don't know.
[00:03:00]  I just like saying we should all get gross.
[00:03:01]  Okay, okay, fair enough.
[00:03:03]  Okay.
[00:03:04]  You know what went out?
[00:03:05]  And maybe it's just winter, I guess.
[00:03:07]  I didn't like this, though.
[00:03:09]  Let me say this.
[00:03:09]  I didn't like this.
[00:03:10]  What?
[00:03:11]  The croc comeback, which, okay, not dealing with that.
[00:03:14]  That's like none of my business anyways.
[00:03:17]  But the little pins in them.
[00:03:19]  This is a while ago.
[00:03:20]  It's a little too much for me.
[00:03:21]  This is a while ago.
[00:03:22]  This was like a year ago.
[00:03:23]  No, this was not a year ago.
[00:03:24]  What are you talking about?
[00:03:25]  This was not Blunt.
[00:03:26]  I was kids in the Crocs like seasons and seasons and seasons ago.
[00:03:31]  Like that, that's four seasons ago.
[00:03:34]  A year ago.
[00:03:35]  Yeah.
[00:03:36]  Seasons ago.
[00:03:37]  Like a couple years ago.
[00:03:38]  It was like at least three years ago.
[00:03:40]  That's years.
[00:03:40]  Seasons are a couple seasons.
[00:03:42]  I wasn't going to say spring.
[00:03:43]  I wasn't going to say season six, seven, eight times.
[00:03:46]  Well, then maybe you should be more clear next time.
[00:03:48]  Ladies and gentlemen, my name.
[00:03:53]  Oh, I'm sorry.
[00:03:53]  Should you not be more?
[00:03:54]  Maybe you should be less clear.
[00:03:55]  My name is Liz.
[00:03:56]  That's Brace.
[00:03:57]  And here's Young Chomsky.
[00:03:58]  The podcast is called Truanon.
[00:04:00]  Liz was doing like a head shake at me.
[00:04:03]  She was doing one of those.
[00:04:04]  She does that.
[00:04:05]  Liz makes faces when we record to try to fuck up my swagger.
[00:04:09]  That's not true.
[00:04:11]  And speaking of swagger, hello, Liz.
[00:04:13]  Hello.
[00:04:14]  How are you doing?
[00:04:15]  I'm good.
[00:04:16]  It's a little cold.
[00:04:17]  It's a little cold.
[00:04:17]  I'm cold.
[00:04:18]  It starts in the toes.
[00:04:19]  It does start in those fucking toes.
[00:04:22]  I am hot, but my body is a little cold right now.
[00:04:26]  And we have a hell of an interview for you today.
[00:04:28]  Yeah, we have Nick Bryant back on the show.
[00:04:29]  It's been a while since he's been here.
[00:04:32]  We just realized it was like a couple years ago that he was.
[00:04:34]  That was, that was, it couldn't have been a couple years ago, but it was a year ago, I think.
[00:04:40]  Because it was a couple years ago.
[00:04:41]  I was, it was last year.
[00:04:44]  I've only lived here for years.
[00:04:45]  Last summer?
[00:04:46]  Does that sound right?
[00:04:47]  Last summer, yeah.
[00:04:48]  So it was around then.
[00:04:50]  So, yeah, like a year and a half ago.
[00:04:51]  All right.
[00:04:52]  But yeah, we're going to talk about the Epstein Victims Compensation Fund, David Boyce, Stanley Pottinger, and Nick's Project, Epstein Justice.
[00:05:01]  let's get to it ladies and gentlemen welcome back to the true and on podcast brought to you by the new york times Not brought to you by nobody.
[00:05:23]  We are today joined in the bunker 30 feet underground in New Jersey with Nick Bryant, author of The Franklin Scandal, director of Epstein Justice, and somebody who I call a friend.
[00:05:39]  Well, that's very nice.
[00:05:40]  Nick, hello.
[00:05:42]  Why do you have a distant look in your eyes when I said that?
[00:05:45]  No, I just wanted to say hello, friend.
[00:05:48]  Hello.
[00:05:50]  How you doing?
[00:05:51]  I'm doing good.
[00:05:52]  I, you know, I was kind of at the doorstep of death about a month ago, but I'm resilient and I'm taking vitamins and things are going well.
[00:06:01]  Which is, you know, that's all very good to hear.
[00:06:04]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:06:05]  I will say, making us inject you with a giant comically oversized needle in your ass before we started recording or else you refused to do it, I thought was a little forward.
[00:06:15]  But you know what?
[00:06:16]  You'd seem a lot perkier.
[00:06:17]  No, it helped tremendously.
[00:06:20]  And, you know, and I have had problems with hemorrhoids in the past.
[00:06:25]  Yeah.
[00:06:26]  So it seems to have chilled that out.
[00:06:28]  Well, you know.
[00:06:30]  I realize this is TMI for your audience, but sometimes you just have to tell your truth.
[00:06:36]  Oh, my God.
[00:06:37]  Here we go.
[00:06:38]  We are here to talk, I think, specifically about two different kind of aspects of the Epstein.
[00:06:48]  I was going to call it saga, but that seems like a weird word to use.
[00:06:51]  But I'll say it, saga.
[00:06:54]  One is the cleanup, which you differentiate a little bit from the cover-up, and of course, about Epstein justice.
[00:07:01]  But I think we're going to go to about the cover-up first.
[00:07:04]  So we had talked a little bit before recording.
[00:07:08]  Did we need to explain the context of this to our listeners?
[00:07:12]  I don't think we really do.
[00:07:14]  But the context to the cover-up, I think we maybe do have to explain a little bit, or excuse me, to the cleanup that we do have to explain a little bit.
[00:07:22]  So as listeners know, Epstein obviously died in a jail cell.
[00:07:29]  Ghillaine Maxwell is in prison, and it sort of disappeared from the headlines.
[00:07:34]  There was little things in the Wall Street Journal, I think, maybe earlier this year, maybe last year.
[00:07:39]  But beyond that, not a lot.
[00:07:41]  But we want to talk about exactly what has gone on in sort of the legal world.
[00:07:46]  And I'm not talking about the court cases necessarily, although a little bit, but really about the Victims' Compensation Fund and some of the strangeness around that.
[00:07:53]  So, Nick, what are we talking about today?
[00:07:56]  Well, the Epstein Victims Compensation Fund was opened some years ago, and Attorney Georgana Feldman was the administrator, and she had previously been the administrator for the September 11th Victims Compensations Fund.
[00:08:13]  And David Boyes, who represents a number of the victims, he helped forge the parameters of the Epstein Victims Compensation Fund.
[00:08:25]  So David Buys is, as we know, represents a number of the victims, but also he was really integral in crafting the parameters for the Epstein Compensation Fund, Victims' Compensation Fund, about who would be getting settlements from that fund and who wouldn't.
[00:08:45]  There's been a lot of controversy about the fund.
[00:08:47]  I don't know why I just said controversy.
[00:08:49]  I said that in a Bruce Belden way.
[00:08:51]  Controversy.
[00:08:51]  Controversy about the fund.
[00:08:54]  A lot of fighting, even infighting amongst lawyers about who was getting what and how much, and if there was even anything left.
[00:09:04]  A lot of legal fights over that over the past couple years.
[00:09:08]  Well, it's kind of been haphazard.
[00:09:10]  Some victims have been given very large settlements, some victims have been given very small settlements.
[00:09:17]  And we don't know why some victims are given large settlements.
[00:09:21]  We don't know why some victims are given.
[00:09:23]  This is kind of behind a shroud of secrecy with this fund.
[00:09:29]  So it's really difficult to know a lot, and we'll talk about it later, but it's difficult to know a lot of the machinations of this fund other than I think it's a useful tool for a cover-up.
[00:09:44]  And as I said earlier, David Boyes was one of the architects of this fund.
[00:09:49]  And David Boyes, I don't know if your listeners are familiar with David Boyes as far as his connection with BlackCube.
[00:09:57]  BlackCube is a group of retired massage agents that does dirty deeds.
[00:10:03]  And David Boyes is very fond of Black Cube.
[00:10:07]  He was using Black Cube.
[00:10:09]  Rose McGowan was one of the first actresses to come out against Harvey Weinstein.
[00:10:15]  And he used Black Cube on her.
[00:10:17]  I mean, they infiltrated her life on her false identities.
[00:10:23]  And then the New York Times was writing a highly negative article about Harvey Weinstein, and he used Black Cube on them.
[00:10:32]  And he was representing the Times in a libel suit at that point, which made the Times rather upset.
[00:10:39]  And of course, he used Black Cube.
[00:10:43]  He was on the board of Thuranos, and he wanted to prop up the good standing of Elizabeth Holmes, the grifter.
[00:10:51]  And he used Black Cube on people that were saying derogatory things about Elizabeth Holmes and Thuranos.
[00:11:00]  So David Boyes is quite fond of BlackCube.
[00:11:03]  And actually, David has a special place in my heart.
[00:11:06]  I call him David Black Cube Boys.
[00:11:10]  I mean, we should say Black Cube.
[00:11:11]  Yeah, it's a private ex-Mossad security outfit, right?
[00:11:16]  Brace, what would you call it?
[00:11:17]  Yeah, I was thinking.
[00:11:18]  Is that spy firm?
[00:11:19]  I mean, one thing, so I think a lot of people associate like Israeli ex-intelligence groups with Pegasus or a lot of the really high-tech stuff.
[00:11:30]  BlackCube uses that stuff for sure.
[00:11:32]  But I think they really resemble in a lot of ways like a private spy agency.
[00:11:36]  Like they have people, there's a writer at The Guardian, for instance, one person who actually covered Black Cube that turned out to be a Black Cube agent, like somebody in their employ.
[00:11:49]  And so like they were a pretty, I mean, I'm sure still are a pretty sophisticated intelligence operation.
[00:11:55]  And obviously they were very adept.
[00:11:59]  I mean, if you're, listen, if you're in private intelligence, there's a few things that are really lucrative.
[00:12:03]  One is rich guy sex scandals.
[00:12:05]  And two is trying to get articles squashed.
[00:12:08]  And the ways that you can do that are you can discredit the people who write them or you can really infiltrate their lives and like feed them information, disinformation, things like that.
[00:12:18]  And David Boyes was completely on board.
[00:12:21]  I mean, he was, I think he was the one that connected Weinstein with Black Cube.
[00:12:25]  Well, actually, David Boyes signed the contract for Black Cube.
[00:12:31]  Harvey Weinstein did not sign the contract.
[00:12:33]  David Boyes signed the contract.
[00:12:35]  To be fair, you always get your lawyer to sign the contract.
[00:12:37]  You got to get the lawyer to sign the contract.
[00:12:39]  You step aside, you say, oh, my lawyer did it.
[00:12:41]  I don't know.
[00:12:42]  I'd pay the guy.
[00:12:43]  But it's interesting that David Boyce didn't get one of his minions to sign the contract.
[00:12:48]  He signed it himself.
[00:12:49]  Although sometimes the lawyer forgets that he himself might need a lawyer to sign the contracts.
[00:12:54]  But it is really, you know, you make a point.
[00:12:57]  You mentioned that about the New York Times thing, right?
[00:13:00]  Because, I mean, I think that really does show what we're working with here is that Boys was both representing the New York Times as their lawyer.
[00:13:09]  In the meantime, and this came up in the Weinstein court case, was hiring Black Cube to surveil and fuck with New York Times journalists.
[00:13:19]  Undermine New York Times journalists from writing negative articles about his other client, Harvey Weinstein.
[00:13:26]  Yeah, David's been a busy guy with Black Cube, and those are the Black Cube incidents that we know about.
[00:13:33]  Yes, I think that's important to mention, too, because this is all the shit that has just come out that we found out about.
[00:13:39]  And like this stuff is, and that's just one company as well.
[00:13:42]  It's like real puppeteering, you know, because it's really like orchestrating and trying to pull something from both sides, like in each kind of, in each incident that we know about.
[00:13:51]  Well, what I get a kick out of David Boyes is that he went to bat for Al Gore in 2000 against the evil empire of the bushes.
[00:14:00]  And then he ostensibly decided to help the government take down Microsoft.
[00:14:05]  And he's a darling of the left.
[00:14:08]  And I don't think a lot of people on the left really understand David Black Cube Boise.
[00:14:15]  Well, I think that that might have been the case in the 90s and early 2000s.
[00:14:19]  But I definitely think that I'm not even sure that liberals would even know who the hell he is anymore outside of this stuff, you know.
[00:14:27]  Because I can remember when he was making that big stand for Al Gore and people were appealed to their television sets.
[00:14:35]  And James Baker, was the Secretary of State for George Herbert Walker Bush and a patrician and all-around bad guys.
[00:14:47]  So it was James Baker versus David Boyes.
[00:14:53]  And if you had left inclinations, the contrast was so stark that you thought David Boyes was A-OK, that he was a good guy.
[00:15:05]  So let's talk about Boys and Epstein.
[00:15:09]  What's the connection here for our listeners to refresh their memory a little bit?
[00:15:13]  Well, David Boyes represents a number of the Epstein victims.

=== CIA Break-Ins and Cover-Ups (15:02) ===

[00:15:18]  And this was ostensibly his contrition for representing Harvey Weinstein.
[00:15:28]  Yeah, that's kind of how it was presented to everybody.
[00:15:30]  Yeah.
[00:15:31]  This was how he was going to make amends to womanhood is by representing these Epstein victims.
[00:15:40]  And his representation has been anything but forthright, at least in my opinion.
[00:15:48]  What do you mean by that?
[00:15:50]  I think that there's, when you get into the Epstein Victims Compensation Fund, which he helped forge, there's a lot of problems with that that undermine victims.
[00:16:03]  And he also brought aboard Stan Pottinger.
[00:16:08]  And Stan Pottinger was in the government in the 60s and 70s.
[00:16:14]  He was an assistant attorney general.
[00:16:16]  And if you needed a cover-up, Stan Pottinger was the man.
[00:16:23]  Wherever there's malfeasance in the 60s and the 70s, Stan Pottinger is there.
[00:16:29]  I call him the forest gump of cover-ups.
[00:16:33]  He is truly the forest gump of cover-ups.
[00:16:37]  What are some of the ones that you saw, Matt?
[00:16:41]  His first major cover-up was Kent State.
[00:16:44]  Kent State was, there were National Guard soldiers that shot four students.
[00:16:51]  And Stan Pottinger was going to get to the bottom of it.
[00:16:56]  And he impaneled a grand jury that looked at whether or not there was a conspiracy there, whether or not these soldiers were told to kill the college students or shoot at the college students.
[00:17:12]  And that grand jury just happened to declare that there was no evidence that there was a conspiracy whatsoever.
[00:17:20]  But now this is interesting.
[00:17:22]  The New York Times reported this in 2007.
[00:17:25]  There was a tape that Stan Pottinger had for that grand jury that has one of the commanders telling the soldiers to shoot, to aim, fire, and shoot.
[00:17:41]  And okay, so what happened there was that tape was given to some acoustics laboratory in Boston to analyze, and the acoustics laboratory said that there wasn't any sounds of any National Guard commanders giving orders.
[00:18:04]  So it was a perfect plausible deniability.
[00:18:07]  I mean, the government certainly has.
[00:18:10]  enough acoustic scientists to look at a tape like that or to discern a tape like that.
[00:18:19]  But he gave it to this firm in Boston, so he had plausible deniability.
[00:18:25]  So he covered up that conspiracy that involved the murder of four college students and the maiming of a number of other ones.
[00:18:35]  What happened to the soldiers who shot the college students?
[00:18:39]  Nothing.
[00:18:40]  Nothing.
[00:18:40]  Nothing happened to those soldiers.
[00:18:42]  Interesting.
[00:18:43]  Yeah, it's funny you gave it to an acoustics firm in Boston because I would think they would only be able to recognize the sounds of somebody yelling at their wife.
[00:18:54]  Yeah, it's so that was Stan's first cover-up, Kent State.
[00:19:00]  But he was just getting going.
[00:19:02]  I mean, he's, like I said, he's the forest gump of cover-up.
[00:19:05]  What else did he get into?
[00:19:07]  Well, there was this nasty little program that the FBI invented.
[00:19:12]  It was called COINTELPRO.
[00:19:14]  And COINTELPRO circumvented just about every constitutional right of Americans.
[00:19:23]  And it was exposed in the mid-70s.
[00:19:29]  There was the church hearings that was looking into government malfeasance.
[00:19:34]  And it exposed COINTELPR.
[00:19:37]  And COINTELPRO was legal harassment, intimidation, wiretapping, infiltration, smear campaigns, blackmail, and the suborning of perjury, and countless of jail sentence, countless jail sentences, and most likely in the case of Black Panther Fred Hampton, murder.
[00:19:58]  And there's other murders that are connected to COINTELPRO.
[00:20:00]  Yeah, yes.
[00:20:01]  There's a lot about the program that we still don't know a whole lot about.
[00:20:05]  And I kind of think that it is still probably going on now.
[00:20:10]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:20:10]  I mean, they officially ended it, but like that's they learn from the tactics and they incorporate the tactics into other programs.
[00:20:18]  Yeah, you know, you mentioned murder.
[00:20:21]  I think one thing that really needs to be stressed about COINTELPRO is that, and this is actually how the government works in a lot of intelligence stuff, is they themselves, like they're not going to send like, you know, FBI hit squad number seven to like your house to shoot you.
[00:20:37]  It's a lot more effective to send letters to maybe groups that you don't get along with so much.
[00:20:43]  I mean, this happened in, I think it was, I think it was San Diego or LA with the Black Panthers and this other group, United Slaves, where they essentially sent these poison pen letters to each other to try to get them to fight each other, which worked actually and resulted in carnage, in a shootout, at least one shootout.
[00:21:07]  But this was a pretty favorite tactic among not just radical groups, but like, well, mostly radical groups, but just really any group that the government was not a fan of.
[00:21:17]  COINTELPRO went after the Black Panthers really hard and went after the American Indian movement really hard.
[00:21:24]  Those were the two primary groups that it had the most antipathy for.
[00:21:30]  And there was some COINTEL agents that planted a rumor that an AIM member was an informant, and she was not an informant.
[00:21:42]  Her name was Anne Marie Aquish, I think.
[00:21:45]  She was a Mi'kmaq from the Mi'kmaq tribe.
[00:21:48]  And she was murdered by some people in AIM.
[00:21:52]  And that's a direct result of COINTELPRO poisoning her relationship.
[00:21:59]  That was a huge tactic of COINTELPRO, is like fedjacketing, basically like convincing, trying to convince if there's like a person in your group to try to convince everybody else that they were a Fed or an agent themselves, with the implication that they would maybe get murdered there.
[00:22:18]  And that did happen.
[00:22:18]  That happened within the Black Panthers several times, Apple with AIM, other groups as well.
[00:22:24]  Yes, and COINTEL PRO, they called up Martin Luther King's wife and said that he was having an affair.
[00:22:33]  And they also sent a letter to, I think it was William Sullivan, who was very high in the FBI, sent a letter to Martin Luther King saying that they had recordings of him and that he had to kill himself by the time he accepted the Nobel Prize for Peace.
[00:22:50]  So that was COINTELPRO.
[00:22:52]  And Stan Ponger just happened to investigate COINTELPRO.
[00:22:59]  And he got to the bottom of COINTELPRO and he sent a memo, December 1974 memo to the Attorney General, William Saxby.
[00:23:10]  And he said the Civil Rights Division found no basis for seeking criminal charges against particular individuals involving particular incidents with COINTELPRO.
[00:23:23]  So Stan Pottinger again covered up COINTELPRO.
[00:23:28]  No one in the government was arrested for COINTELPRO after Stan Pontinger's investigation.
[00:23:35]  And Stan said that there wasn't enough evidence when the church commission or the church hearings had 20,000 pages of documents and they interviewed scores of FBI agents and scores of COINTEL targets.
[00:23:56]  So there was plenty of evidence and he covered it up.
[00:24:01]  He covered up COINTELPRO.
[00:24:03]  No one went, of all that carnage that was sewn by COINTELPRO, no one went to prison in the government for COINTELPR.
[00:24:13]  A lot of other people went to prison.
[00:24:15]  Yes, but no one in the government.
[00:24:18]  The targets of COINTELPRO went into prison, but no one in the government.
[00:24:23]  So you think Stan was, I mean, he was always being kind of called up to be the guy that produces the official document that can be used to kind of like cover up, clean up, kind of settle everything so, you know, all the official bureaucracy can move on.
[00:24:38]  He's the guy.
[00:24:40]  And in various articles I've read about him, he's the guy that says, I'm going to get to the bottom of this.
[00:24:47]  Yes.
[00:24:48]  The white hat.
[00:24:49]  The white hat.
[00:24:50]  Fake white hat.
[00:24:51]  And actually, there's a New York Times article that has his picture.
[00:24:55]  And then above his picture in capital letters is civil rights protector.
[00:25:05]  It's quite a picture.
[00:25:06]  Yeah.
[00:25:08]  Does he pop up anywhere else?
[00:25:10]  Oh, he pops up all over.
[00:25:14]  There was an interesting case where CIA director Richard Helms ordered the break-in into the business of a former CIA agent.
[00:25:24]  And they got outed, and the case was given to Stanley Ponger.
[00:25:34]  And Stanley Potinger found that there was no malfeasance, that the CIA can break into Americans' businesses.
[00:25:41]  And there's no criminal violations there.
[00:25:45]  What?
[00:25:46]  No one even got charged with Bambini?
[00:25:48]  No one got charged with anything.
[00:25:50]  Wow.
[00:25:51]  I got to join the CIA.
[00:25:52]  You know, I got a fancy number.
[00:25:54]  Yeah, what are you talking about?
[00:25:56]  Okay, so he said, now this is the New York Times.
[00:26:00]  So it's got to be true.
[00:26:02]  He said to the New York Times, he said, well, you know, I didn't get Dick Helms.
[00:26:08]  Dick Helms walked from this, but he's still liable for his testimony before the Church Commission.
[00:26:16]  Now, Dick Helms told the Church Commission that our government and the CIA never helped any opponents of Salvador Allende of Chile.
[00:26:30]  And as it turns out, we gave $8 million, the CIA gave $8 million to opponents of Allende.
[00:26:39]  And actually, we expedited Allende's death and put in Pinochet, who wasn't really well liked by a lot of Chileans.
[00:26:52]  He had this Pinochet was a little on the genocidal side.
[00:26:57]  He had a nasty habit of electrocuting people's balls and shooting them.
[00:27:01]  Yeah, that's an interesting statement from Helms because, yeah, I mean, it's been, I think, pretty conclusively proven that we certainly helped Pinochet gain power, but also helped organize chaos in the economy in Chile to facilitate that transfer of power.
[00:27:23]  I mean, we organized strikes, placed articles in newspapers, and stirred people up against Allende.
[00:27:29]  And we also murdered a general.
[00:27:31]  The CIA murdered a general that was going to back Allende, and we couldn't have that.
[00:27:36]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:27:39]  Oh, was that him?
[00:27:41]  The 22 in Italy?
[00:27:42]  No.
[00:27:43]  No.
[00:27:44]  And then there was that, there was like a soccer arena that was filled with people that were murdered.
[00:27:53]  There was actually a movie made about that with Jack Lemon and Sissy Space.
[00:27:58]  I can't remember the name of the movie, but their kid had been one of the people that had been murdered in that arena.
[00:28:15]  So Dick Helms lied before Congress saying that they hadn't helped opponents of Ianda.
[00:28:24]  And then he said that the CIA had never spied on any Americans.
[00:28:33]  And at this point, Operation Chaos was going on.
[00:28:36]  And Operation Chaos was collecting tons of information on Americans.
[00:28:41]  And it's actually kind of amazing.
[00:28:45]  Nearly a quarter of a million first-class letters were opened and photographed by the CIA during chaos.
[00:28:52]  And the chaos indexed 300,000 individuals for the CIA and a computer system and over 100 domestic groups.
[00:29:02]  And of course, Chaos used the IRS to go after 11,000 Americans.
[00:29:08]  The IRS is always a useful tool if you want to take people down.
[00:29:13]  So Helms told all these lies before Congress that We hadn't backed Diande, that he hadn't spied domestically, that the CIA was just a swell bunch of guys, and they were here to protect America and our freedoms.
[00:29:30]  So Stan Ponger said, Well, you know, he got off by ordering the break-in into this into this former employee, but he's testified before Congress.
[00:29:43]  And if he's told any lies, we're going to get him.
[00:29:49]  So what happened at Dick Helms?
[00:29:53]  He pled no contest to two misdemeanors and was fined $2,000.
[00:30:02]  So Stan made sure.
[00:30:04]  And, you know, you got to respect this, though, because Stan made sure the guy paid.
[00:30:11]  I mean, no one else is, you know, everybody else has walked.
[00:30:15]  But, you know, those two misdemeters and $2,000.
[00:30:19]  $2,000.

=== Youth at Pioneer Festivals (02:33) ===

[00:30:21]  You know, that was something back then.
[00:30:22]  Exactly.
[00:30:23]  I was about to say that could buy, I mean, hell, that could buy half a fucking DC back then.
[00:30:27]  Yeah.
[00:30:27]  $2,000?
[00:30:29]  And that's our man, Stan Pottinger.
[00:30:32]  So what happens to him?
[00:30:33]  So he also, we talked about a little bit before recording.
[00:30:38]  I think there's something we should mention is that he had a relationship with friend of the show, Gloria Steinem.
[00:30:46]  Stan and Gloria had a nine-year relationship.
[00:30:50]  That's a long time.
[00:30:52]  Well, intelligence assets or agents in love.
[00:30:57]  That's common law.
[00:30:59]  Yeah.
[00:31:00]  Gloria, well, she has her own history of CI involvement.
[00:31:05]  In 1959 and 1960, the Russians had these youth festivals.
[00:31:11]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:31:11]  They had all like they'd all like, which I feel like I got to tell you this.
[00:31:15]  I was, because I was reading about this the other day.
[00:31:17]  This is an aside, but I'm going to be self-indulgent here.
[00:31:22]  There were so many festivals back then.
[00:31:25]  All these like, like World Federation of Democratic Youth, all these kind of things.
[00:31:28]  It's like they had all these, like, you know, and then like the Pioneer festivals and all that.
[00:31:34]  It's like, who was going to all these festivals?
[00:31:37]  I guess people like Gloria Steinem, and I'm sure a lot of left-wing youth.
[00:31:40]  But it seems like, I'm like, I really, I would have been cool when I was a kid, but no, it's this.
[00:31:45]  No, they just have video games.
[00:31:47]  You just have damn Fortnite.
[00:31:48]  Everyone's in Roblox now.
[00:31:51]  Well, actually, Gloria was there.
[00:31:53]  The Russians were putting on these festivals, and Gloria was getting American students to disrupt the festival.
[00:31:59]  Well, because that was the thing.
[00:32:00]  It was like it was the World Federation of Democratic Youth and kind of related organizations would have these festivals, and they were not just communist countries.
[00:32:07]  Like it was like world youth festivals.
[00:32:11]  They were, you know, and I say this is not a bad thing.
[00:32:14]  They were communist sponsored and they were, to be frank, yes, front events.
[00:32:19]  But they were brought together, you know, youth from the non-communist countries with the communist countries and ripe for people like our girl Gloria and some of her friends that she helped rile up to disrupt.
[00:32:34]  Now, Gloria said that she stopped working for the CIA in 1962.
[00:32:40]  But there was a feminist magazine, once they got a whiff that she was a CIA asset, they were upset.
[00:32:48]  Red stockings, I think they were called.
[00:32:50]  Red stockings, yes.
[00:32:52]  I mean, understandably, they were upset.
[00:32:53]  They were understandably upset.

=== October Surprise Revealed (09:19) ===

[00:32:54]  And they dug into her, and they demonstrated that she was a CI asset through most of the 1960s.
[00:33:02]  So she has lied about that, too.
[00:33:06]  And there's a famous quote of hers about the CIA and when she's talking about her experience with the CIA and she says – So I actually – I have it here.
[00:33:18]  In my experience, the agency was completely different from its image.
[00:33:21]  It was liberal, nonviolent, and honorable.
[00:33:25]  And the thing about it is, Gloria must have not been subjected to chaos or mind control experimentation or witness the overthrow of democratically elected third world leaders.
[00:33:44]  So I think she might be a little off on compassionate and liberal.
[00:33:50]  But anyway, her and Stan were quite the power couple in Washington, D.C. through part of the 60s and into the 70s.
[00:33:59]  So Stan's, of course, in love and having a gay old time, but he's still up to his old tricks.
[00:34:04]  What else does he get into?
[00:34:07]  Well, Stan started to put together, when he got out of the government, he started to put together illegal arms deals.
[00:34:13]  And he was selling arms.
[00:34:16]  He was facilitating the selling of arms to Iran, which was an enemy state at that point.
[00:34:23]  So we're looking at, in the very least, treason, including a bunch of other things.
[00:34:33]  So what happened was Stan represented two Iranian financiers, and they were getting arms from the United States, and then they were giving them to Iran.
[00:34:46]  And this is when the Atolla, Ayatollah Khomeini, had the American hostages in the 1980s.
[00:34:54]  So this was, we were not happy with what Iran had done with taking our hostages.
[00:35:02]  So Stan is caught on tape instructing the Hashimi brothers how to export arms without for with basically forgoing their identities and how to do it illicitly.
[00:35:19]  And he was recorded by the Department of Justice.
[00:35:22]  And do you know who was going to prosecute him?
[00:35:26]  Who?
[00:35:27]  Rudolph Giuliani.
[00:35:29]  My God.
[00:35:29]  Beacon of Tegrity.
[00:35:32]  It's like the same 40 people, just like for 35, 40, 50 years.
[00:35:37]  They just all keep coming back up.
[00:35:39]  That is sort of the astounding thing, especially about Iran-Contra, or about really everything to do with Iran in the late 1970s, early 1980s.
[00:35:49]  It is just like the same 30 fucking dudes.
[00:35:55]  Well, here is the problem with Rudolph Giuliani, that paragon of integrity.
[00:36:00]  He and the Justice Department lost the tapes that incriminated Stan.
[00:36:07]  He lost them.
[00:36:08]  He lost the tapes.
[00:36:09]  Classic Giuliani.
[00:36:11]  Yeah, Julie.
[00:36:12]  Maybe he had a couple of my ties, too many.
[00:36:15]  So Stan walked.
[00:36:18]  Yeah, hard.
[00:36:19]  What a surprise.
[00:36:19]  What a surprise.
[00:36:21]  My God.
[00:36:21]  And Giuliani is usually so organized.
[00:36:23]  I guess that's what 40 Long Island iced teas a day will do to you.
[00:36:28]  And so the government actually lost the evidence.
[00:36:30]  And so Stanley Pottinger was able to just get off scot-free?
[00:36:35]  Yes, he just walked.
[00:36:36]  Wow.
[00:36:37]  Sounds like someone, yeah, it's like Stan, you know, someone knew, a new Stan was born and took care of this Stan.
[00:36:44]  And it's kind of interesting.
[00:36:46]  So the October surprise was, and this is part of the October surprise.
[00:36:51]  The October surprise was the Reagan administration made a deal with the Iranians.
[00:36:56]  Yeah.
[00:36:56]  And they said to the Iranians, hold on to these hostages until Ronnie gets elected and then let them go.
[00:37:05]  And that's what they did.
[00:37:07]  And the deal was that we would sell them arms through Israel.
[00:37:13]  And that was called the October Surprise because when Reagan got elected that day, the Iranians let the hostages go and it hurt Carter.
[00:37:22]  I think Carter would have been hurt just by some of the choices that he made because the intelligence community hated him.
[00:37:29]  But that sealed his, I mean, that was his doom.
[00:37:34]  Yeah, that they kept the hostage that whole day.
[00:37:36]  I always thought, because whenever I, I remember when I was like young, I found out about this.
[00:37:42]  And I was always like, that's a little on the nose to release them the day that Reagan gets elected.
[00:37:47]  You know what I mean?
[00:37:48]  Like, how do you really, like...
[00:37:49]  But everyone got the news later.
[00:37:51]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:37:52]  It takes a while to print the newspapers.
[00:37:53]  Yes.
[00:37:55]  But like, do it like a couple weeks later and be like, this is nothing to do with who's president.
[00:37:59]  We just decided to do this.
[00:38:01]  Well, it was really benevolent at the time.
[00:38:03]  Everybody thought, well, the Iranians.
[00:38:05]  And Ron might be a nice guy.
[00:38:09]  And he's that good.
[00:38:10]  He's that good.
[00:38:11]  He's just a classic negotiator.
[00:38:14]  They like him so much.
[00:38:15]  They learned it in SAG.
[00:38:16]  I got to say, if you're going to do an October surprise, they did a pretty good one.
[00:38:20]  That's one of the best.
[00:38:21]  Are you kidding me?
[00:38:22]  Compare that to the Hillary email fucking Comey bullshit.
[00:38:27]  That was so incomprehensible.
[00:38:29]  What is going on?
[00:38:29]  There's some server, whatever.
[00:38:33]  Call me up when they're releasing hostages from Iran.
[00:38:36]  I'm just saying, you know, okay, it was bad, terrible.
[00:38:39]  But it's ruinous.
[00:38:40]  Yes.
[00:38:40]  But there's a lesson to be learned, which is if you're going to do it, I mean, they did a very good job.
[00:38:46]  Do it big.
[00:38:47]  Well, Nixon pulled off an October surprise.
[00:38:51]  There was in Paris there were talks between the South Vietnamese and the North Vietnamese, and he got to the South Vietnamese and he said, forestall those talks, and I will make sure that you get concessions that you otherwise wouldn't get.
[00:39:06]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:39:07]  And that really hurt Hubert Humphrey in 1968.
[00:39:12]  So October surprises are not a surprise.
[00:39:15]  They come up occasionally.
[00:39:17]  Yes, yeah, yeah.
[00:39:19]  And then it's kind of interesting.
[00:39:21]  So there were these rumors of the October surprise, and our Congress was going to get to the bottom of it.
[00:39:29]  The House formed an October surprise task force.
[00:39:34]  And the president of Iran, Abdul Bonnie Sadr, wrote a 1992 letter to Congress saying that Stan Ponger was part of the talks, that he was on the bottom ground of the talks.
[00:39:54]  And then ultimately, and this was in Madrid, and then the talks moved to Paris where George Herbert Walker Bush and William Casey kind of put the finishing touches on negotiating it.
[00:40:07]  Well, it wasn't really much of a negotiation.
[00:40:08]  They just said, hold the hostages and then we'll sell you arms.
[00:40:12]  So Stan, his name comes up 192 times.
[00:40:16]  You know what, then he's a busy guy.
[00:40:18]  He's a very busy guy.
[00:40:19]  Good multitasker.
[00:40:21]  Multitasker.
[00:40:22]  His name comes up 192 times in the investigation.
[00:40:25]  But this is kind of interesting.
[00:40:29]  They found that the Iranian spies, the Iranian financiers, and the people that were involved in the arms deals, like Ari Ben Menashi, they were all lying.
[00:40:44]  Ergo, there was no October surprise.
[00:40:49]  Okay.
[00:40:50]  And what's really interesting is that this year in March, the New York Times published an article saying that there was an October surprise.
[00:41:02]  So finally, an American media has caught to the fact that there was an October surprise.
[00:41:09]  Now, that article didn't mention Stan Pottinger.
[00:41:12]  It didn't mention Herbert Walker Bush.
[00:41:15]  It didn't mention a number of the other people that were played an integral role in the October surprise, like William Casey.
[00:41:23]  But it said it was actually a reality that it happened.
[00:41:28]  So after this, he retires from public life and decides to be a novelist.
[00:41:36]  And not just a novelist, he is a well-compensated novelist.
[00:41:40]  Well, Stan decided that he was going to go with the writing life.
[00:41:45]  And Ballantine Books gave him $500,000 for his first novel.
[00:41:53]  Now, that happens all the time.
[00:41:55]  That first time novelists get compensated $500,000.
[00:42:01]  I'm sure that it's probably happened once.
[00:42:09]  And he continued to knock out novels.

=== $500,000 Novel Deal (03:09) ===

[00:42:13]  I think he published four.
[00:42:16]  And I think that Ballantine Books continued to pay him very well.
[00:42:21]  As I said earlier, if I paid Ballantine Books $500,000, they probably would not publish a book of mine.
[00:42:29]  But they were more than happy to publish Stan's book.
[00:42:32]  I do want to read, I was looking this up the other day.
[00:42:35]  I do want to read a description of one of his books.
[00:42:41]  This is called The Last Nazi by Stanley Pottinger, or by Stan Pottinger.
[00:42:46]  I guess he's going by his more cool street name then.
[00:42:50]  And Stanley Pottinger goes where no one else dares, taking crucial medical and social issues and turning them into riveting thrillers.
[00:42:57]  Melissa Gale is an attractive, ambitious lawyer and investigator for the Office of Special Investigations, the Justice Department's Nazi hunters.
[00:43:05]  Her quarry, known only by the name Adelwolf, was the brilliant young protégé of Dr. Joseph Mengele, the busher of Auschwitz.
[00:43:15]  Presumed dead for almost 50 years, Adelwolf has suddenly reappeared in the United States to take the lives of three people in a chilling, unusual way.
[00:43:23]  Drawing on research started in the Nazi labs, Edelwolf is about to unleash a terrifying virus using Melissa's soon-to-be-born baby as a trigger.
[00:43:32]  The tension builds unbearably as Melissa's race to save her baby and stop Edelwolf forces her to confront the boundaries of good and evil.
[00:43:42]  Available for audio cassette on Amazon for $4.29.
[00:43:50]  Sign me up.
[00:43:51]  $500,000.
[00:43:53]  Seems like they got that deal of a lifetime.
[00:43:55]  My God.
[00:43:58]  That sounds like more excitement than a human should be allowed to have.
[00:44:01]  I'm looking at the first one that he published, which was called The Fourth Procedure, a novel of medical suspense.
[00:44:08]  And I'm like, medical suspense?
[00:44:11]  Is this a genre that I'm unaware of?
[00:44:13]  It's just like a guy waiting for a kidney.
[00:44:15]  A mind-boggling medical thriller to end all medical thrillers.
[00:44:21]  I don't think I've ever – I'm not sure the circumstances that would compel me to read a medical thriller.
[00:44:30]  I feel like those are two words that I don't really want.
[00:44:33]  I guess.
[00:44:34]  An accomplished attorney prepares to argue a life and death case before a hostile Supreme Court nominee.
[00:44:40]  A leading surgeon answers an emergency call to assist an operation in progress.
[00:44:45]  And in a Washington, D.C. morgue, a medical examiner examines a body that has been tampered with.
[00:44:52]  I should mention, too, here that his son, Matt Pottinger, was one of the big China hawks in the Trump administration, who I believe was one of the people who sort of like tearfully quit on January 6th after having served in the administration the whole time,
[00:45:11]  tearfully quit on January 6th and now works for the Foundation of Defense of Democracies, which is the insane psycho-neocon think tank in Washington.

=== Sarah's Survivorship (15:53) ===

[00:45:23]  Matt, yes.
[00:45:23]  Holding Penn until they can figure out where they can be deployed next.
[00:45:27]  If we nuke Shanghai in the next couple of years, that's got the Pottinger family brand on it.
[00:45:34]  Well, you know, it's touching that Matt has been able to carry on the work of his father.
[00:45:42]  Yeah.
[00:45:42]  I mean, how many times do you see that in this world?
[00:45:47]  Where the father has a vision, and a lot of times the son just isn't up to it.
[00:45:53]  I know you're talking about Hunter here.
[00:45:55]  Yes, but with Matt Pottinger, as with Hunter Biden, they've lived up to their father's highest ideals.
[00:46:03]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:46:15]  So now we go from Stan Pottinger as the Forrest Gump of cover-ups to just an outright ethical eunuch.
[00:46:26]  Stan actually, okay, David Buies brought him in, and he, According to the sources, he's represented at least 20 victims.
[00:46:42]  And he had an affair with a very damaged victim who has had a lot of problems.
[00:46:52]  Sorry, Pottinger did?
[00:46:54]  Stan Pottinger did, yes.
[00:46:56]  Wow.
[00:46:57]  And but that he's just getting warmed up as far as damaging Epstein victims at this point with that affair.
[00:47:07]  And there was a Law 360 article that talked about Stan Pottinger.
[00:47:15]  And one of the Epstein victims, her name is Sarah Ransom, and she was really, she has had a brutal, brutal life.
[00:47:26]  She had a very difficult childhood that had sexual abuse in it.
[00:47:33]  And then she had the misfortune of falling into the clutches of Epstein and Maxwell, who were brutal with her.
[00:47:42]  I mean, they were vicious.
[00:47:44]  They actually, when she was at the island, they would have a scale and they would line all the girls up and Sarah would have to step on the scale.
[00:47:57]  And if she was above a certain weight, she'd be ridiculed.
[00:48:02]  That's how she was treated on Epstein Island.
[00:48:07]  So Stan Pottinger and David Boyes told Sarah Ransom that Stan was going to write an article about what a great guy David Boyce was, and they wanted Sarah Ransom to put her name on it.
[00:48:22]  And an article did, in fact, come out from the New York Times, and it talked about what a great guy David Boyes was, and how David Boyce had come to the rescue of Sarah Ransom.
[00:48:39]  And Sarah really felt like she had no choice but to put her name on the article that Stan Pottinger wrote.
[00:48:50]  And after she lauded Stan Pottinger, she committed suicide or attempted suicide shortly thereafter and ended up in a psychiatric hospital.
[00:49:05]  And Stan Pottinger wrote her an email telling her that it was time to settle.
[00:49:10]  I mean, she's just tried to commit suicide.
[00:49:12]  She's in a psychiatric hospital.
[00:49:14]  She's on all these meds.
[00:49:16]  And the people at the Boys Law Firm and Stan Pottinger are pressuring her to settle with the Epstein Victims Compensation Fund, which is so egregious.
[00:49:31]  Yeah.
[00:49:32]  To take that poor woman who I read her book and her life has just been brutal.
[00:49:43]  I didn't even know she, Sarah Ransom wrote a book.
[00:49:45]  Yeah, she wrote a really good book.
[00:49:49]  And her life has just been so brutal.
[00:49:53]  And the way that Epstein and Maxwell just were vicious to her.
[00:50:01]  And then she has to fall.
[00:50:02]  I mean, after she falls in the clutches of Epstein and Maxwell, she falls into the clutches of David Black Hugh Boise and Stan Ethical Eunuch Pottinger.
[00:50:14]  It's really, really tragic.
[00:50:16]  Yeah, so these guys are integral in setting up the Epstein Victims Compensation Fund.
[00:50:22]  And we've talked about that on the show a few times before, but just to contextualize that a little bit, that was, as one can imagine, the fund to compensate the victims of Jeffrey Epstein.
[00:50:32]  But it was taken from money from Jeffrey Epstein's estate and then I believe later from the sale of his island and like properties and things like that.
[00:50:41]  And so there was money issues, which we've talked about on the show before, and I guess you could say liquidity cash flow issues that were kind of a semi-frequent event that, and it ended up paying out over about 200 people around.
[00:50:58]  Well, actually, there were 225 claimants, and it was willing to settle with 150, but eight declined.
[00:51:09]  So ultimately, it settled with 142 claimants.
[00:51:14]  And that compensation fund was able to accomplish something that the government wasn't able to do because the Epstein victims that settled with that fund could not sue any perpetrators.
[00:51:29]  Yeah.
[00:51:30]  That was it.
[00:51:31]  You got your stipend from the compensation fund.
[00:51:36]  Yes.
[00:51:37]  And you could not sue anybody else.
[00:51:41]  And as I said earlier, David Boyes was one of the people that set the parameters for that fund.
[00:51:50]  So once a claimant signs on the dotted line, that's it.
[00:51:54]  They're done.
[00:51:56]  And the people that had molested them, there's no recourse for them whatsoever in civil court.
[00:52:05]  And obviously, it's not being taken care of in any type of criminal court.
[00:52:11]  So those guys are walking free because of that victims' compensation fund.
[00:52:16]  And there's something that's there.
[00:52:18]  There's a couple of things I want to say about that.
[00:52:22]  So Epstein was At the end of his, if you want to call it an addiction, was molesting three minors a day.
[00:52:39]  And I think he'd done that for a number of years.
[00:52:44]  And then he also ran a Pentathon network for 25 years.
[00:52:51]  And an estimate, I think a relatively conservative estimate is 2,000 girls were caught up with Epstein.
[00:53:05]  And only 225 have come forward.
[00:53:07]  Well, I think there's a couple things to be noted.
[00:53:12]  One of them is that, and we've talked about this in the show a bunch of times too, is that there's numerous testimony from all sorts of people, victims and people who are just like there.
[00:53:24]  I mean, like, you know, witnesses, I guess you could say as well, like employees and such, that there were girls from out of the country there that had been like flown in, you know, from Eastern Europe or South America or whatever.
[00:53:37]  And we have heard vanishingly little, if anything, about what's up with them, if they were ever, you know, if any of them were able to take advantage of the fund or like become like have this sort of official victim status.
[00:53:51]  Or were you even tracked down?
[00:53:52]  Or tracked down at all?
[00:53:53]  Yeah.
[00:53:53]  Or like who would even be in charge of tracking them down?
[00:53:56]  I think the last like even thing that we saw mentioned about it was in the Virgin Islands case.
[00:54:03]  They were talking about how Epstein used the local universities as a kind of like passport mill and a visa mill to like bring girls in through like fake college degree programs or fake courses that he would sign them up for.
[00:54:18]  Yeah.
[00:54:19]  And like, you know, and keep it in mind too, like Epstein was, as you say, rapacious.
[00:54:28]  You know what I mean?
[00:54:29]  He had a hearty appetite that has been attested to by several people for girls.
[00:54:37]  And, yeah, I mean the numbers don't really add up.
[00:54:42]  And it's – the process has been kind of opaque in learning exactly like how – I mean there's been articles on some aspects of it.
[00:54:52]  But on like what the actual criteria of how the lawyers themselves judge who was an official victim or not.
[00:55:00]  Completely opaque.
[00:55:02]  We have no idea of their criteria and their standards.
[00:55:07]  And this is what's, I mean, there's many things that are very troubling about it.
[00:55:12]  There were 75 women that were denied any type of compensation.
[00:55:18]  But I know of two therapists, and one of them is a highly esteemed therapist who had, and each one had a client that was under 10 years old when they said that they had been molested by Epstein at all.
[00:55:37]  And the government and the media cover story is that Jeffrey Epstein's victims were 14 years old.
[00:55:44]  And although one of them that is settled was 13 years old when she was getting molested by Jeffrey Epstein.
[00:55:51]  And actually there's news accounts that, in the Virgin Islands, that they were as young as 11 or 12.
[00:55:58]  Yeah, the thing with that is that we've always heard that there's been younger, but there's been nobody that has been like publicly come forth and said that they were younger, as far as I know.
[00:56:10]  So I was talking to this highly esteemed therapist, and her client described Epstein's home and a park by Epstein.
[00:56:22]  And she was not American.
[00:56:27]  So she had been flown in, and there was really nobody to take care of her.
[00:56:33]  It's kind of amazed that she survived.
[00:56:37]  The fund gave completely denied her.
[00:56:42]  And this other therapist who's also esteemed had another client that was under 10.
[00:56:49]  And she was denied too.
[00:56:53]  And both these therapists think that their clients were denied because they were under 10 years old.
[00:56:59]  They didn't conform to the cover story.
[00:57:02]  And I wrote a book called The Franklin Scandal.
[00:57:05]  And Lawrence King liked his thing was pubescent boys.
[00:57:11]  But if you wanted an eight-year-old or you wanted a 10-year-old, if you wanted a seven-year-old, I mean, he would get you whatever you wanted.
[00:57:19]  And I think Epstein was the same way.
[00:57:22]  I mean, Epstein, like King, was a psychopath.
[00:57:25]  I mean, it wasn't like he had to deal with the pangs of conscience.
[00:57:28]  And people say, well, how would someone get a seven-year-old or how would someone get an eight-year-old?
[00:57:33]  I mean, you know, they were buying children in Eastern Europe.
[00:57:37]  I mean, predators like that, these guys know where to get kids.
[00:57:43]  I mean, they just know.
[00:57:47]  There was a famous bank robber in the 50s.
[00:57:51]  His name was Willie Sutton.
[00:57:53]  And he was asked why rob banks.
[00:57:56]  And he said, well, that's where the money is.
[00:57:59]  That's facts, though.
[00:58:00]  That's a great answer.
[00:58:03]  Classic answer.
[00:58:04]  And that's why these guys have connections to a number of different ways that they can get children.
[00:58:14]  Whether they buy them, whether they've got people scavenging for them, whether they're hooked into a school where they can get children, guys like Jeffrey Epstein and his ilk, they're great white sharks.
[00:58:31]  I mean, they're perfect predators.
[00:58:35]  And they're going to find kids wherever.
[00:58:39]  And whatever kind of kid you want, they're going to provide you with that kid.
[00:58:44]  And so there's been 75 women that have been turned down.
[00:58:51]  How many of them have been under 10 or under 13?
[00:58:55]  Yeah, we don't know.
[00:58:56]  I mean, is that the criteria?
[00:58:58]  Because it's so opaque to us, is that the criteria that they're using?
[00:59:02]  Well, this one's 12.
[00:59:04]  You know, we can't give her any money.
[00:59:08]  So the victims' compensation fund is dirty.
[00:59:14]  It's being used as a cover-up tool.
[00:59:18]  And it's not benevolent.
[00:59:21]  And I'm glad that there have been some Epstein victims that have gotten money from it, but they're not going to be able to sue any of their other perpetrators.
[00:59:34]  Well, you can't even, I mean, the thing that I always was confused about is that they can't even sue Ghillain Maxwell.
[00:59:41]  Yes.
[00:59:42]  Which seems, I mean, first of all, there's kind of an echo of that original deal with Acosta there.
[00:59:48]  But that's like the kind of, you know, and a lot of times when kind of like deep events happen, you know, a civil suit, like someone's not going to get charged.
[00:59:59]  I mean, obviously, Ghylaine Maxwell did get charged.
[01:00:01]  I mean, we went to the fucking trial.
[01:00:02]  But, you know, only certain information will come out then.
[01:00:07]  And civil suits can bring to light a lot more stuff.
[01:00:11]  And I would think, especially in this case, in the Epstein case in general, civil suits would probably go a long way in showing other perpetrators and having it down.
[01:00:22]  Because I think a lot of people kind of like know who was kind of involved.
[01:00:26]  And like, you know, there's like talk and there's aspersions cast on people or whatever.
[01:00:32]  But like a lot of it hasn't been talked about directly in court.
[01:00:35]  And there are different rules, I guess, in civil court that would allow these sort of things to come to light.
[01:00:43]  And it's, yeah, it's pretty telling that you can't sue anybody after this.
[01:00:48]  The discovery process in civil court would shed light on a number of perpetrators.
[01:00:52]  Yeah.
[01:00:55]  And that's just not going to happen the way that the Epstein Victim Compensation Fund is set up today.
[01:01:09]  So let's talk about Epstein Justice now because we've been talking about this for a while.

=== Epstein Justice Revealed (08:37) ===

[01:01:17]  Epstein Justice is an organization that I set up.
[01:01:20]  It's a 501c3 organization that I set up about two and a half months ago.
[01:01:29]  And our goal is to put pressure on the government to actually look into the Jeffstein, the Jeffrey Epstein criminality and also look into the criminality of his cohorts.
[01:01:46]  And here's the thing about Jeffrey Epstein.
[01:01:49]  Every American knows that something with Jeffrey Epstein stinks.
[01:01:55]  A lot of them know that he had something to do with intelligence and blackmail, and a lot of them have a cognitive dissonance, and they can't quite make that leap.
[01:02:07]  But Jeffrey Epstein and Franklin, these things are diseases in our body politic.
[01:02:17]  And there's three phases of eradicating the disease.
[01:02:23]  First, there's awareness, and we have awareness of Jeffrey Epstein.
[01:02:30]  And then there's acceptance.
[01:02:32]  And this is where people are getting a little stuck because they're having a hard time accepting.
[01:02:36]  They know that Jeffrey Epstein molested all these girls, but they're having a hard time accepting the totality of the malfeasance that there was a lot of other power brokers involved.
[01:02:48]  And actually, I think that Americans know that.
[01:02:51]  But the blackmail and the intelligence, I think people are having a hard time accepting.
[01:02:56]  So we can push for that acceptance.
[01:02:59]  And once we push for that acceptance, then we can have action.
[01:03:03]  And I really believe that this is an issue that can wake people up.
[01:03:10]  First of all, the congressional approval rating is 17%.
[01:03:17]  Obviously, our legislators are not doing a very good job for Americans.
[01:03:23]  And I firmly believe, I've been digging into this world for 21 years, and I firmly believe that many of our legislators are either compromised or they're willing to make Fausty impacts.
[01:03:36]  And if we dig into this issue, I think we will come across the cesspool that is causing Americans so many problems.
[01:03:48]  The cesspool that is causing the wealth polarization, the cesspool that allows the NSA and probably CIA to spy on us as much as they possibly want.
[01:04:02]  There's so many issues that Americans are being confronted by with their government that are really, really negative.
[01:04:11]  And I think that if we dig into this one issue, and in the past, I was talking to Liz about it on my podcast, and there was the weapons of mass destruction.
[01:04:29]  And I went to a demonstration at the UN, and the New York Times said there were 15,000 people there, 8,000 people, something.
[01:04:38]  I would say that there was like 80,000 people.
[01:04:40]  This is Iraq?
[01:04:42]  Yeah.
[01:04:42]  Yeah.
[01:04:43]  But here's the thing with that.
[01:04:45]  The media had managed to convince 80% of Americans that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.
[01:04:56]  Now, with this issue, everybody knows that Epstein stinks.
[01:05:02]  And the right and the left are so polarized right now.
[01:05:06]  I think that this is the only issue that can bring the right and the left together.
[01:05:11]  Americans have been divided and conquered.
[01:05:18]  The right thinks that, and it's kind of interesting, I think very few people on the left really subscribe hardcore to like the woke philosophy.
[01:05:33]  But everybody on the right thinks everybody on the left is completely embraced like the more hardcore facets of the woke philosophy.
[01:05:47]  And I think a small percentage of Republicans have embraced QAnon, but everybody on the left thinks all the Republicans have embraced QAnon.
[01:06:00]  And the media is basically responsible for this, for that polarization.
[01:06:07]  And this is an issue that can bring the right and left together.
[01:06:12]  And it's just a fundamental decency.
[01:06:17]  We know that child trafficking has been covered up.
[01:06:21]  We know that our government has covered up child trafficking.
[01:06:25]  Now, would we ever trust an individual or an entity that is child trafficking?
[01:06:31]  We would never do that.
[01:06:33]  But yet our government is aiding and abetting child trafficking by, in the very least, covering it up.
[01:06:41]  How can we trust our government?
[01:06:43]  We need to make a change.
[01:06:47]  And I think Epstein justice will help that.
[01:06:52]  If we can get enough Americans behind us, we can actually, I think, affect change.
[01:07:00]  And I might sound delusional, but I think it's, I don't see anything else bringing the right and the left together to affect change.
[01:07:13]  And it's up to us.
[01:07:16]  Do we want a government that is covering up for child molesters, embedding child molesters?
[01:07:26]  A number of your listeners are younger.
[01:07:29]  Do you want to grow up in that world?
[01:07:30]  Do you want your kids to grow up in that world?
[01:07:35]  And we were talking about this before.
[01:07:37]  Kids graduating from college can't even buy houses today.
[01:07:43]  And the wealth polarization has gotten so insane.
[01:07:47]  The real estate has gotten so insane.
[01:07:50]  A friend of mine grew up in the village, and his dad was a New York Times journalist.
[01:07:56]  His mom was a school teacher.
[01:07:58]  They owned a brownstone.
[01:08:01]  And he was walking by the brownstone.
[01:08:04]  He saw it was up for sale.
[01:08:06]  And he saw the realtor and he said, can I take a look in the brownstone?
[01:08:10]  And I grew up here.
[01:08:12]  And the realtor let him in and he checked it out.
[01:08:15]  And he said it didn't quite look like humans live there.
[01:08:18]  All gray floor.
[01:08:20]  It was for sale for $10 million.
[01:08:22]  Now, there's no way a New York Times journalist and a school teacher could afford a house that costs $10 million.
[01:08:30]  So that's what we're looking at right now with the wealth polarization.
[01:08:34]  And the wealth polarization is directly linked to the laws that our Congress is enacting.
[01:08:44]  The way that the security agencies are trampling on our constitutional rights is directly linked to the laws that our Congress is passing.
[01:08:53]  And I could go on and on and on.
[01:08:56]  So we have to make a change now.
[01:08:59]  And I think Epstein Justice, once we start drilling into this issue, we will come across other types of malfeasance.
[01:09:10]  And we will have a better understanding of why our Congress is not working in the best interests of us, the Americans.
[01:09:20]  Well, where can people find out more about Epstein Justice?
[01:09:23]  We are at EpsteinJustice.com.
[01:09:26]  That would make sense.
[01:09:27]  And we will put a link to that in the show.
[01:09:29]  Yes, that'd be great.
[01:09:30]  And people can check it out that way.
[01:09:33]  And please join us.
[01:09:35]  We need your help.
[01:09:36]  And it's not too late.
[01:09:40]  We can redirect the course of our country before the maniacs that are presently running it take us off a cliff.
[01:09:50]  Well, ladies and gentlemen, actually, no, fuck the ladies and gentlemen.

=== Diamond Bar Puffer (03:40) ===

[01:09:54]  Well, Nick, thank you so much for joining us.
[01:09:56]  I'm glad you're back to see you.
[01:09:59]  Yeah, I haven't been back for, I don't know, a couple of years.
[01:10:01]  Yeah, I can't remember.
[01:10:02]  The last time it was, last time it was at his house.
[01:10:04]  Yeah.
[01:10:05]  And now, look, we're in this.
[01:10:07]  I'm going to be honest with you.
[01:10:08]  Bryce's house.
[01:10:09]  It's my house.
[01:10:10]  I live here.
[01:10:11]  Well, you know, it's a very nice house.
[01:10:13]  That's why they're inviting you over.
[01:10:15]  It's a little small.
[01:10:16]  It's got the isolation booth, which is kind of like a personal life thing.
[01:10:20]  So don't get me well padded in there.
[01:10:23]  Sensory deprivation can be a good thing.
[01:10:26]  I mean, the CIA has shown us that.
[01:10:29]  Yeah.
[01:10:29]  People are malleable after sensory deprivation.
[01:10:32]  Oh, I'm probably one of the most malleable human.
[01:10:34]  I'm like gold.
[01:10:35]  He shows them after each time because they got cameras in there, too.
[01:10:39]  God, I would be human.
[01:10:40]  The CIA could record me.
[01:10:42]  I'm not doing anything weird, but the CIA could record me and release those tapes and destroy my life.
[01:10:49]  Because it's like me walking around in my underwear, like being like, wait, why did I get up?
[01:10:54]  And like, I'm just shuffling all day back and forth in my house trying to remember why I got up.
[01:10:59]  I spend six hours, seven hours a day doing that sometimes.
[01:11:01]  It's like the worst paranormal activity.
[01:11:04]  It does.
[01:11:05]  It looks like I have in my house the internal, like the domestic style of a ghost because I'm just like knocking things off.
[01:11:13]  I'm like.
[01:11:14]  Plus, you go to sleep with that sheet with the eyes cut out.
[01:11:17]  Yeah, that's okay.
[01:11:19]  I know you've seen the hole in the sheet of my house.
[01:11:21]  It's not for eyes.
[01:11:22]  That's not what I mean.
[01:11:23]  It's like a Yentel situation.
[01:11:25]  I was just talking about Hasidics and obviously, I'm the world's most swag Hasid.
[01:11:34]  Okay, we got to end this.
[01:11:36]  Nick, thank you so much for joining us.
[01:11:38]  Always a pleasure.
[01:11:39]  And ladies and gentlemen, that was Nick Bryant.
[01:11:41]  Thank you.
[01:11:58]  What do you want for Christmas?
[01:12:01]  Um...
[01:12:02]  I don't know.
[01:12:03]  I haven't had any time to think about anything like that.
[01:12:06]  Puffer vest?
[01:12:08]  Puffer vest.
[01:12:09]  Coming for both of you guys.
[01:12:10]  That'd be nice.
[01:12:12]  I love a good thermo layer.
[01:12:14]  Oh, yeah.
[01:12:15]  Layering piece.
[01:12:16]  You guys are getting.
[01:12:18]  I'm trying to think of that.
[01:12:19]  You guys are getting 2B branded puffer vests.
[01:12:21]  I already got presents for both of you and they're wrapped because I am on the top of my shit.
[01:12:27]  I got you guys presents too.
[01:12:29]  They're just in the other room.
[01:12:31]  They're just off.
[01:12:32]  They're just off camera.
[01:12:34]  They're laughing with you.
[01:12:35]  They're really nice too.
[01:12:37]  Really nice.
[01:12:38]  I don't know if you guys like gold.
[01:12:41]  Do you?
[01:12:42]  Bars?
[01:12:43]  Just in general before.
[01:12:44]  Well, I don't want to commit to the bar yet unless what if you don't like gold?
[01:12:48]  Maybe for platinum.
[01:12:50]  I do like platinum.
[01:12:51]  Getting a platinum bar.
[01:12:52]  Do they make those?
[01:12:53]  No, I don't think so.
[01:12:54]  Diamond bar?
[01:12:55]  Dude.
[01:12:56]  Diamond bar.
[01:12:56]  Diamond bar.
[01:12:57]  We should make diamond armor because I think that'd be really strong.
[01:13:02]  But you'd be a fucking rich ass night.
[01:13:06]  With that, I'm Liz.
[01:13:08]  My name is Brace.
[01:13:09]  We are joined by producer Young Chomsky.
[01:13:11]  And the podcast is called Turn on.
[01:13:13]  We'll see you next time.
[01:13:14]  Bye-bye.
[01:13:33]  Come out.