True Anon Truth Feed - Episode 312: The Romance of International Skyjacking
Aired: 2023-08-14
Duration: 01:23:04


=== Fight Like Jabba (09:20) ===

[00:00:00]  We'll talk about that when it's more relevant in the episode.
[00:00:02]  I don't think it's ever going to be relevant.
[00:00:04]  When the term skyjacking comes up, it will be relevant.
[00:00:06]  Hello.
[00:00:07]  Welcome, welcome, welcome to the combat zone.
[00:00:11]  To start off today's episode.
[00:00:12]  Wait, we have to do an opening.
[00:00:14]  This is the opening.
[00:00:15]  Oh, you did a little fake out for me.
[00:00:16]  Yes.
[00:00:17]  Welcome to the combat zone.
[00:00:18]  Well, because combat zone, that's like the area in Boston where you get drunk and you say the words against minorities and beat up people.
[00:00:26]  It's like the drunk area in Boston.
[00:00:28]  I'm shaking my head.
[00:00:28]  The combat zone.
[00:00:29]  I think that's the whole area of Boston.
[00:00:31]  Welcome to Liz's cage.
[00:00:33]  We are talking cage fighting, being stuck in cages, classic AOC, children in cages.
[00:00:40]  Oh, yeah.
[00:00:41]  We're doing all cage talk, but specifically today, we are talking about two of the most uncaged gentlemen in technology today, Elon Musk and Mark Zuckerberg.
[00:00:51]  I have too much to say about this for it to be just in the opening.
[00:00:54]  Well, start.
[00:00:54]  We can do a long opening.
[00:00:56]  We make the rules here, baby.
[00:00:57]  I don't know if I like our rules.
[00:00:59]  I want to say that you texted us earlier.
[00:01:01]  I'm just going to fucking break it.
[00:01:04]  Just go on.
[00:01:05]  Liz, go on.
[00:01:06]  We're uncaged.
[00:01:07]  Uncaged, telling my truth.
[00:01:09]  You texted us earlier and was like, we got to get press passes to cover the fight.
[00:01:15]  And I was like, hold the phone.
[00:01:18]  Which I was clearly doing.
[00:01:19]  I just texted you.
[00:01:20]  Hold the phone.
[00:01:22]  Are they actually going through with it?
[00:01:23]  I didn't see the news.
[00:01:26]  Well, so for those of you who, I mean, this has probably changed by the time.
[00:01:30]  I'm sure Musk has like backed out by the time that this episode comes out.
[00:01:34]  But today, which is Friday, August 11th at 2.21 p.m. at 1175 Green Street in Queens, New York, Elon Musk has said, has claimed that his upcoming fight with Mark Zuckerberg is booked.
[00:01:55]  It's going to be in Italy.
[00:01:57]  He has talked to the Maloney, the prime minister, and it's going to honor Italy's past and present.
[00:02:04]  And now, past, okay, I get gladiators, Mussolini, all that kind of stuff.
[00:02:12]  Present, I'm like, what?
[00:02:13]  Tight, really tight jeans?
[00:02:16]  Really, really tight jeans.
[00:02:17]  I guess it's, you know, kind of the ruins of deindustrialization, welcoming in a bunch of American capitalists to have at it.
[00:02:22]  Yeah, it's a little strange, but so far right now, it is booked.
[00:02:27]  Yeah, he says live stream will be on this platform and meta.
[00:02:31]  Okay, whatever.
[00:02:32]  Everything in camera frame will be ancient Rome, so nothing modern at all.
[00:02:36]  This guy is such a fucking dipshit.
[00:02:38]  Then he says, okay, like you said, everything double, pay respect, blah, blah, blah.
[00:02:42]  And then he says, and all proceeds go to veterans.
[00:02:44]  But I'm confused.
[00:02:46]  Does he mean Italian veterans?
[00:02:49]  Yeah, it's a little rude.
[00:02:51]  Another country.
[00:02:52]  And so think about it.
[00:02:53]  You can't just say global veterans because if you say that, then at some point you're giving funds to veterans of both sides.
[00:03:01]  Both sides.
[00:03:01]  Well, which I do believe.
[00:03:02]  Because you've got winners in the sense of that.
[00:03:03]  I do believe in that.
[00:03:04]  No, it's going to be to American veterans, which that's the first thing I have a problem with.
[00:03:08]  We have the VA.
[00:03:09]  You want us to make another VA?
[00:03:11]  Why veterans?
[00:03:11]  Is he because he's a fight?
[00:03:12]  He thinks that that's like related.
[00:03:14]  You had a job and you no longer do the job.
[00:03:18]  Why do I have to give you money now?
[00:03:20]  Here's the thing.
[00:03:22]  This has to happen and I have to see it.
[00:03:24]  Yeah.
[00:03:25]  My worry, we were just talking about this before you came in.
[00:03:28]  Blood.
[00:03:28]  Me and Yang Chomsky.
[00:03:29]  No.
[00:03:30]  So a couple things.
[00:03:31]  Obviously, everyone wants to see Musk get the shit kicked out of him.
[00:03:34]  Yeah.
[00:03:35]  Yeah.
[00:03:35]  I mean, that would be fucking fantastic.
[00:03:36]  Never been more Team Zuck in my life.
[00:03:39]  But, you know, what is it?
[00:03:42]  Your enemy's enemy is my friend or whatever.
[00:03:44]  There we go.
[00:03:45]  So, but my thing is, is that I worry that Musk live streaming him getting the shit kicked out of him will somehow earn him goodwill.
[00:03:57]  And I don't like that potential.
[00:03:59]  I've thought about this because if Musk is smart, he wants to play the heel here, right?
[00:04:05]  Where he like he acts.
[00:04:06]  He goes Wario.
[00:04:07]  He goes Wario.
[00:04:08]  He acts as villainous as possible.
[00:04:10]  He allows himself to have the shit kicked out.
[00:04:13]  Exactly.
[00:04:13]  Have the shit kicked out of him by Mark Zuckerberg.
[00:04:16]  The problem with that is, is Musk, I think, is too neurodivergent.
[00:04:21]  Now, this is a term that is kind of new to the combat sports arena, but I believe that Musk is unable to sort of put his mind into the mind of the common man, right?
[00:04:33]  And so I think that if he was smart and he was empathetic, right?
[00:04:37]  Empaths, long been a staple of the combat sport environment.
[00:04:41]  But if Musk, he's incapable of doing this.
[00:04:45]  And so I think that he genuinely thinks that he can straight up do a fight, do a fight, with Mark Zuckerberg, and he can win based, I think, and this is a classic, the Saladin strategy.
[00:04:57]  I'm not talking, of course, about the Ancient Warrior, but about the WWE wrestler or WWF at the time.
[00:05:02]  I think he's going to the, he thinks his, being fat, essentially, he can sort of, like, how classic character Jabba, right?
[00:05:12]  He's not full Jabba mode, though.
[00:05:14]  I know, but I think he's taking sort of the strength of Jabba, whereas like Jabba, Jabba is a slave master.
[00:05:21]  Jabba is a crime lord.
[00:05:23]  Jabba is a powerful individual, but Jabba himself is incapable really of fighting, right?
[00:05:28]  Yeah, he's immobile.
[00:05:29]  He's immobile, but he's kind of unbeatable.
[00:05:31]  I think that Musk will not have the stamina, though.
[00:05:35]  I think that as big as he is.
[00:05:37]  He's got the muscle mask.
[00:05:38]  So I was also reading, because he just did Ozembi, right?
[00:05:41]  Yeah, he did Ozembic.
[00:05:42]  He did, or one of them, Wagovi, whatever it is.
[00:05:45]  Yeah, Ozemb.
[00:05:45]  He's one of them.
[00:05:46]  He did one of them, yeah.
[00:05:47]  Munjaro.
[00:05:48]  And I was reading that one of the things about the, what is it, GLP1?
[00:05:53]  Is that what it's called?
[00:05:55]  That they, you know, want to, you know, when you lose weight rapidly, you always lose a certain percentage of muscle mass.
[00:06:04]  And, you know, when my man here is going to like get mad at me for even probably getting something that was wrong.
[00:06:10]  But that's why you want to supplement with higher protein to kind of try to hold on to as much muscle mass, you know, so you don't lose as much, right?
[00:06:17]  But that apparently in studies with GLP ones, that you lose a percentage, you lose like muscle mass at a higher cliff than you would normally, which accounts for some of the Ozembi face qualities.
[00:06:30]  These are some studios.
[00:06:32]  Skull-like face.
[00:06:34]  Yes.
[00:06:35]  Now, this is a pro.
[00:06:37]  I'm pro all of these things, but I'm just saying.
[00:06:39]  Now, he would have a lot of work to do to build back muscle mass.
[00:06:43]  If you want to keep up with what Zuckerberg has been doing, he's like fighting.
[00:06:48]  He's like in MM training, like fully leaned out with some dude named Israel.
[00:06:53]  So I think he's got like a guy named Israel?
[00:06:55]  Yeah.
[00:06:56]  Powerful Latino name.
[00:06:57]  Absolutely.
[00:06:58]  Very powerful.
[00:06:58]  But also, if you're like, my MM main trainer's name is Israel, I'm backing away.
[00:07:03]  Exactly.
[00:07:03]  I'm getting out of there.
[00:07:05]  I'm out of here.
[00:07:05]  And so I'm thinking that these two are on different tracks here.
[00:07:09]  What, you know, new listeners to the show might not know this, but I am a former, I'm a former combat sports worker.
[00:07:18]  I worked at a boxing gym for a few years.
[00:07:22]  In fact, I kind of managed the boxing gym for about a year of that, or maybe two years.
[00:07:27]  I kind of can't really remember.
[00:07:29]  I myself don't really participate per se.
[00:07:32]  I have a gun, and so I don't need to do that.
[00:07:35]  But I saw a lot of fighters come and go, right?
[00:07:40]  And one of the fights that I always think about, and that I'm kind of, is we had this Christian group that paid the gym a lot of money in order for us to train them up and actually license them to have a charity boxing match.
[00:07:54]  And they paid us a ton of money.
[00:07:57]  I mean, we really flossed them and fleeced them.
[00:08:02]  Yeah, they fleeced them.
[00:08:03]  We flossed them too.
[00:08:04]  They have big teeth.
[00:08:05]  I mean, they just switched us around in there like a little scope.
[00:08:08]  And there was an uneven, like one fighter got sick.
[00:08:11]  They're all going to be paired up with each other, but one fighter got sick.
[00:08:14]  And so we had this guy who was like 6'4, massive fucking dude.
[00:08:19]  He got a body on him.
[00:08:20]  Big guy.
[00:08:21]  Classic, big, blonde Aryan prince.
[00:08:24]  He didn't have anyone to fight against.
[00:08:25]  And so we got the guy from the liquor store down the street, which coincidentally is the first place I ever drank a beer on 3rd Street in San Francisco.
[00:08:33]  We got this guy who is the owner of the, or a worker at the liquor store there.
[00:08:38]  He was about 5'7, maybe weighed 225 pounds, no muscle, smoked weed frequently.
[00:08:47]  I would say many, many times a day.
[00:08:49]  In fact, often all day.
[00:08:53]  And it was during Ramadan and he was a Muslim and so he was not really able to drink water or eat during the month that he had to train for this.
[00:09:02]  This was the final night of fight of the night.
[00:09:04]  I was in his corner and I was also announcing the oh no, I wasn't announcing that one.
[00:09:09]  I announced the kids one the next week.
[00:09:12]  Thank you.
[00:09:12]  But I was in his corner and his family was there.
[00:09:16]  Everybody else there was like a giant white Christian from Sunnyvale.
[00:09:19]  Or not Sunnyvale.

=== Oh No, Zach (04:31) ===

[00:09:21]  No.
[00:09:21]  It was like San Jose.
[00:09:22]  It was one of those, it was like Silicon Valley.
[00:09:26]  South Bay.
[00:09:27]  And he gets up there.
[00:09:30]  We start the fight.
[00:09:31]  And first punch, he gets in there and he knocks the guy out with an uppercut.
[00:09:35]  Complete, the only knockout of the night.
[00:09:38]  And because of that, no, and he basically didn't train at all.
[00:09:42]  Yeah.
[00:09:43]  Now, you might think that me telling that story is like, well, maybe Zuckerberg could kick his ass.
[00:09:48]  You mean Musk?
[00:09:49]  I'm saying, excuse me, yeah.
[00:09:51]  Musk could kick Zuckerberg's ass because he's got kind of like a physical advantage in a way.
[00:09:58]  Yeah.
[00:09:58]  Submersible body, like we've talked about.
[00:10:01]  Zuck can get because he's taller, right?
[00:10:04]  Musk says he's 6'1, 6 feet.
[00:10:06]  Yeah, Musk says he's 6'1.
[00:10:07]  Other people say he's 6'2.
[00:10:10]  Looks like Zuck is about 5'7, which people think being 5'7 in a situation like that is a complete disadvantage.
[00:10:18]  But if you get up in there, in there, you're rocking.
[00:10:22]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:10:23]  This is sort of like the lesson of Space Jam.
[00:10:28]  Absolutely.
[00:10:29]  In fact, they call this in fighting sports the Space Jam method.
[00:10:32]  So I think this, without a doubt, I think Zuckerberg has the stamina.
[00:10:36]  I think he's got the body, hell of a body on him.
[00:10:39]  And I think he has, I think he's got the, I think he's got the force of will to do it.
[00:10:44]  Like, if there is a man with a will, right?
[00:10:50]  Yeah.
[00:10:52]  Metaverse.
[00:10:54]  Meta, changing the name of the company in general, threads.
[00:10:57]  Zuckerberg has the juice in him.
[00:11:00]  What does Elon do?
[00:11:00]  He just changed his family.
[00:11:01]  But here's the other thing, though.
[00:11:02]  But if Elon were to take a different tech and suddenly emerged fully jobbed and went full Jabba mode and was like, I'm going to do what you don't think.
[00:11:15]  You like, okay, you think little guy's going to come for me.
[00:11:17]  I'm going Jabba mode.
[00:11:19]  My move is sit on the ground, don't move.
[00:11:21]  Yes.
[00:11:22]  Yes.
[00:11:25]  Zach, that would be very difficult.
[00:11:26]  I think you're on to something here, Liz.
[00:11:28]  I think sort of people movable object move.
[00:11:32]  Well, what Musk has said is that he's doing is he's lifting weights while at work, which let's be honest, that's not going to work.
[00:11:39]  And that's not how he's lying.
[00:11:41]  It's like buying a standing desk because you think it'll help your posture.
[00:11:45]  It's not going to happen.
[00:11:46]  What he needs to do is he needs to get as fucking fat as possible.
[00:11:49]  I'm telling you, I think you might only have time for that.
[00:11:52]  Musk needs to, I'm not joking.
[00:11:54]  Musk needs to double his weight right now and get as big as possible to the point where Zuckerberg physically cannot take him down.
[00:12:02]  But also, don't tell anyone.
[00:12:04]  Yeah.
[00:12:05]  Don't emerge.
[00:12:06]  Element of surprise.
[00:12:07]  Element of surprise.
[00:12:08]  He should, exactly.
[00:12:09]  You're right.
[00:12:09]  Go behind the curtain.
[00:12:10]  You got to go fat monk mode.
[00:12:12]  Five months, six months.
[00:12:13]  Get as like, I'm telling you, he needs to come out of there 400, 500 pounds.
[00:12:16]  He should be like, I'm going deep in monk mode.
[00:12:20]  Yeah.
[00:12:21]  I'm going into training.
[00:12:22]  I will emerge.
[00:12:24]  I'm going into the Himalayas to train.
[00:12:26]  Everyone's like, oh my God, wow.
[00:12:27]  We remember like that man where that guy did that six years.
[00:12:31]  He was crazy.
[00:12:31]  Seven years.
[00:12:32]  However, whatever.
[00:12:33]  Do it.
[00:12:34]  Yeah.
[00:12:34]  But then he comes out super fat.
[00:12:37]  Super fucking fat.
[00:12:38]  Because the thing is, you're trying to take down a guy of that.
[00:12:40]  And everyone goes, check this out.
[00:12:44]  The only way they were able to kill Jabba was by strangling him with a chain from behind.
[00:12:47]  They were never able to actually get him down for a three or 10 count.
[00:12:51]  I don't know.
[00:12:52]  I've never actually watched MMA, but like for whatever count they do, they were not able to count him out.
[00:12:57]  They had to assassinate him sitting up, right?
[00:13:00]  And I think that if also, if Musk does a thing where he just puts his arms up in sort of the don't shoot posture and falls forward on Zuckerberg while weighing 500 pounds at 6-1, maybe 6'2, maybe 6' feet, maybe 5'11, he goes down.
[00:13:17]  He takes Zuckerberg down.
[00:13:18]  Timber move.
[00:13:19]  Now, one last thing that Zuck could do to counter that.
[00:13:22]  Gold bikini.

=== Oh Oh, Let's Roll (08:38) ===

[00:13:52]  Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Liz's Palace.
[00:13:57]  Oh, oh, oh, oh.
[00:13:59]  No more Jabbas.
[00:14:00]  Okay.
[00:14:01]  Hello, everyone.
[00:14:02]  I need to see another movie.
[00:14:05]  I think you have.
[00:14:06]  But another movie with an accent in it.
[00:14:09]  They make those.
[00:14:10]  I know, but a lot of those accents people would not really appreciate.
[00:14:13]  Yeah, you can't really do per se radio.
[00:14:17]  Even though I respect all cultures, if I try to talk like them, people are like, that's don't, you can't do that.
[00:14:25]  You're too good at it.
[00:14:28]  But watch some more Australian movies.
[00:14:31]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:14:33]  Maybe a dingo sucker slanger.
[00:14:36]  Hello, everyone.
[00:14:37]  I'm Liz.
[00:14:38]  Hello.
[00:14:38]  My name is, not going to do an accent here, Brace Belden.
[00:14:42]  And, of course, we are joined by Pakistani producer Young Chomsky.
[00:14:48]  And the podcast is called?
[00:14:50]  It's called Trunan.
[00:14:51]  Hello.
[00:14:51]  Hello, everyone.
[00:14:52]  Hello.
[00:14:53]  Ladies and gentlemen, we recently did an episode on airplanes.
[00:14:56]  Yes.
[00:14:57]  It really took off, I think.
[00:14:59]  You know, I was going to say that too, which is really bad.
[00:15:01]  But, you know, I'm going to do something that neither of you are expecting.
[00:15:05]  No.
[00:15:06]  Well, what?
[00:15:08]  Which is, if you have not listened to our episode on airplanes, which actually inspired this very episode that you're listening to, did you know that you can sign up for free at patreon.com slash trueanonpod and actually hear that episode about airplanes that we are referencing in this episode?
[00:15:29]  I don't know where you're, is it free?
[00:15:31]  You can sign up for a free trial.
[00:15:32]  Oh, for a free trial.
[00:15:33]  We have to mention that it's a free trial.
[00:15:36]  It's a trial.
[00:15:37]  Well, yeah, you sign up for free and then you delete it if you want.
[00:15:39]  But this is what I'm going to say.
[00:15:41]  Don't dare you to not delete it and listen to more episodes.
[00:15:45]  Here's the thing about trials, right?
[00:15:48]  You either pass or you fail.
[00:15:50]  You pass or you fail.
[00:15:52]  And you are on trial if you sign up for patreon.com slash true and on pod or true and on, I can't remember which.
[00:15:59]  And if you fail that trial, we do have your email address.
[00:16:01]  I would say, we are both terrible at plugging basically anything that we do professionally, personally.
[00:16:09]  I ran for Congress in Orange County two years ago and I never met you on the show.
[00:16:13]  I know, that was crazy.
[00:16:13]  Yeah.
[00:16:14]  So apologies because we're so bad at it.
[00:16:17]  But this episode that you are listening to today actually was inspired by that episode.
[00:16:21]  Was inspired by that episode.
[00:16:21]  And you should listen to that episode because I think it gives good context.
[00:16:24]  Yes.
[00:16:25]  This is an episode about something that Liz insists on calling skyjacking.
[00:16:31]  But the rest of the world calls hijacking.
[00:16:33]  I don't call it that.
[00:16:35]  You do.
[00:16:35]  In fact, you've wrote it over and over.
[00:16:37]  Most of the notes for this episode are just Liz writing it in various fonts, various sizes.
[00:16:41]  Yeah.
[00:16:42]  With the little hearts over the eye.
[00:16:44]  Yes.
[00:16:44]  Would you, so let me ask you this, Liz, before we actually get started on the meat of the episode here, you are on a TWA flight, right?
[00:16:53]  It's 1971, and you are going from Heathrow to, let's say, Hamburg.
[00:17:00]  Heathrow to Hamburg.
[00:17:01]  The classic HH Howl Hitler line.
[00:17:06]  And a man of some kind of origin, likely Liz, in her mind, is picturing someone swarthy.
[00:17:13]  I don't think you're that swarthy.
[00:17:14]  Oh, thank you.
[00:17:15]  I'm a little swarthy.
[00:17:16]  You have a little...
[00:17:17]  For my actual racial background, I got a little bit of...
[00:17:20]  I got a little...
[00:17:21]  I'm dark.
[00:17:22]  Well, right now, your shirt unbuttoned with your chain.
[00:17:24]  I'm kind of like a dark-skinned white man.
[00:17:26]  I'm looking a little swarthy.
[00:17:27]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:17:28]  I'm a little swarthy, right?
[00:17:29]  And I do have chest hair.
[00:17:30]  Okay.
[00:17:31]  It's spoken out.
[00:17:32]  And I'm draping.
[00:17:35]  Guy comes out.
[00:17:35]  He's got a gun.
[00:17:36]  Says, ladies and gentlemen, this flight is being taken over, and we are going to Cuba.
[00:17:43]  The pilot immediately informs him there is not enough fuel for that, and he changes routes to we are going to Lebanon.
[00:17:48]  Okay.
[00:17:49]  What do you do?
[00:17:50]  Well, first of all, I say, never been to Lebanon.
[00:17:52]  Never been to Lebanon.
[00:17:53]  Sounds great.
[00:17:54]  The Paris of the Middle East.
[00:17:55]  Yeah.
[00:17:55]  Why?
[00:17:56]  We should go before, you know, shit hits the fan.
[00:17:59]  Oh, you're saying this back then?
[00:18:01]  Yeah.
[00:18:01]  Because shit has just been in the fan for now.
[00:18:04]  No, no, I meant in Lebanon specifically.
[00:18:05]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:18:06]  So maybe it's time to go.
[00:18:07]  Maybe it's a great time to go there.
[00:18:09]  Great time to go to Lebanon.
[00:18:10]  I keep my head down.
[00:18:11]  Keep your head down.
[00:18:12]  I shut the fuck up.
[00:18:13]  Interesting.
[00:18:14]  And I wait for cues from stronger-looking passengers than myself.
[00:18:21]  Do you, but if they tell you, if they do a hijacker, what am I supposed to do?
[00:18:25]  If they're going to jump the hijacker, do they do a let's roll?
[00:18:28]  And do you roll with them?
[00:18:30]  What?
[00:18:30]  Oh, you're saying, do I join the hijackers?
[00:18:32]  No, do you join the hijackers?
[00:18:34]  Because it is a binary situation.
[00:18:36]  Do you join the let's roll people who are like, because now this is a situation where now that some of the other passengers are like thinking about.
[00:18:44]  How long is the flight from Heathrow to Lebanon?
[00:18:46]  I'm going to guess here and say 10 hours.
[00:18:48]  No, I mean it's like 10 hours.
[00:18:49]  It's probably like seven hours.
[00:18:50]  No way.
[00:18:51]  Probably like seven, eight hours.
[00:18:52]  I'm going to say five and a half.
[00:18:53]  Five and a half?
[00:18:54]  Yeah.
[00:18:55]  Okay.
[00:18:55]  Let's split the difference.
[00:18:56]  It's 15 hours.
[00:18:57]  I think it's six and a half to Dubai.
[00:19:00]  And the reason I know that is because I just watched the show hijack.
[00:19:04]  Gotcha.
[00:19:04]  Okay.
[00:19:04]  On Apple TV, which did not inspire any of this.
[00:19:07]  You started watching after we were doing this.
[00:19:10]  Yeah.
[00:19:10]  Because, well, I had heard about it and I was like, huh, that's funny.
[00:19:14]  But then we already planned this episode and it was like, oh man, hijacking is just in the air.
[00:19:20]  You like that?
[00:19:21]  It's something's in the air with hijacking.
[00:19:24]  And I'm talking about it.
[00:19:25]  In that show, Idris Elba, who is definitely someone I would trust and follow 100% if he was on the flight and he was like, I'm going to be the guy in charge.
[00:19:33]  You know, he's 5'7?
[00:19:35]  No, he's not.
[00:19:36]  Yeah, he is.
[00:19:37]  He wears crazy platforms.
[00:19:39]  Okay.
[00:19:40]  Well, he is like, everyone remain calm in the first episode.
[00:19:45]  So this is not really spoiling anything.
[00:19:48]  Everyone, don't do the let's roll.
[00:19:50]  Don't let's roll.
[00:19:51]  You have to wait and see what information comes to light.
[00:19:55]  Why is this hijacking happening?
[00:19:57]  Who is actually all involved?
[00:19:58]  Are there hidden hijackers?
[00:20:00]  Who are the in the seats who are still pretending to be passengers, but maybe they're hijackers?
[00:20:06]  That's a good idea.
[00:20:08]  You don't know what the stakes are and what the moves are.
[00:20:12]  Because what if you agree with them?
[00:20:13]  Well, but what if you just like, you don't know what's going on yet?
[00:20:16]  So you wait.
[00:20:17]  I'm in a wait and see situation.
[00:20:18]  You're in a wait and see situation, but you know what happens when some people wait and see?
[00:20:22]  Twin Towers.
[00:20:23]  So you got to consider that.
[00:20:25]  Or vacation in Lebanon.
[00:20:27]  My idea is I will immediately be like, excuse me, hijacker, hijacker, excuse me.
[00:20:31]  Like dinging the bell a bunch.
[00:20:34]  Just hijackers like, what do you want?
[00:20:36]  And I'm like, this is for what?
[00:20:40]  Like, what are you doing this for?
[00:20:41]  Like, explain this to me.
[00:20:42]  And I'm like, well, if, cause if I agree with them, like, well, I'm on your side then.
[00:20:46]  Because you're probably going to get like $2 million from the French government or whatever.
[00:20:49]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:20:50]  And so it's like, can I, I don't want like an equal share of that.
[00:20:53]  Obviously, I didn't participate in any logistics, the planning, whatever.
[00:20:56]  Like, I'm not, but I'm now I am helping you, right?
[00:20:59]  And so, like, I would face consequences.
[00:21:01]  And so, like, can I, because you don't, like, planes are big sometimes.
[00:21:05]  And so it's like, I know you have like four guys, you guys met Lebanon, Becca Valley, whatever, but, like, you kind of need like a fifth set of eyes.
[00:21:13]  Like, sometimes you bring in somebody after you've like worked on a project with people for a really long time.
[00:21:17]  Like, can you check this out, right?
[00:21:19]  And so I'm like, tell me your plan.
[00:21:21]  Give me a gun.
[00:21:22]  First of all, I'd feel safer like that.
[00:21:24]  Give me a gun.
[00:21:24]  Tell me the plan.
[00:21:25]  What's going on?
[00:21:26]  Here's my question.
[00:21:28]  What?
[00:21:29]  Are there real bullets in the gun?
[00:21:31]  Yeah.
[00:21:31]  Oh, yeah.
[00:21:32]  Yeah.
[00:21:32]  And I'm shooting it off.
[00:21:34]  This is a true and on just bullshit everywhere in the plane.
[00:21:37]  True and on.
[00:21:38]  Changing the pressure.
[00:21:39]  Just put it.
[00:21:40]  Making it more exciting.
[00:21:42]  Exactly.
[00:21:42]  Because that makes everybody have a better time if it's lightheaded.
[00:21:46]  The pressure's good.
[00:21:46]  It's like being at a rave.
[00:21:48]  Also, you can just plug the hole with a sweater and corks.
[00:21:51]  Or a cork, right?
[00:21:52]  Or just put someone with a big old bald head in front of you.
[00:21:54]  Or you could stretch out real long and hold it.
[00:21:57]  Exactly.
[00:21:58]  Exactly.
[00:21:58]  Well, that's if the walls are caving in.
[00:22:00]  But so I would kind of just like suss out what's going on and see if it makes more money for me to join them or to possibly sell the rights of being a hostage layer.
[00:22:13]  Because you have to look at a hostage situation as a money-making opportunity.
[00:22:16]  This is another Trouanon rule.
[00:22:18]  If you're ever taken hostage, you have to decide whether it would be more financially advantageous for you to join the kidnappers or for you to continue to be a hostage and sell the rights to your story later.

=== Word Hijack Defined (02:19) ===

[00:22:30]  Well, especially if you are being hijacked on a plane during a time when hijacking was not illegal.
[00:22:37]  Yes.
[00:22:37]  Which we're going to talk about today.
[00:22:39]  Let's get to the meat of what we're talking about today.
[00:22:42]  Yes.
[00:22:43]  Actually hijacking.
[00:22:45]  Hijacking, not skyjacking.
[00:22:47]  Hijack.
[00:22:48]  We will be referring to it both as hijacking and skyjacking today.
[00:22:51]  I'll also be calling hijacking.
[00:22:52]  Liz will, of course, be calling skyjacking.
[00:22:54]  So what is the word hijack?
[00:22:56]  It is an invented word, Liz.
[00:22:58]  Nobody knows what it is.
[00:23:00]  All words are invented.
[00:23:00]  I know, but it's like, there's not like etymology for like, this originally meant like ring of copper in like ancient, you know, Gaelic or whatever.
[00:23:08]  No, nobody knows the etymology of this.
[00:23:10]  Most people agree that it began sometime in the 1920s in America, often used in stories describing bootleggers being robbed by other criminals.
[00:23:19]  So criminal on criminal action.
[00:23:22]  The chief FAA psychologist John T. Daly's 1973 essay, basically, development of a behavioral profile for air pirates.
[00:23:32]  Now air pirates is a very cool term.
[00:23:34]  We love air piracy here.
[00:23:36]  Yeah.
[00:23:36]  Yeah, and we'll talk a little bit about air piracy coming up too, because it's, I feel like air piracy is a little bit distinct from a hijack.
[00:23:43]  Okay.
[00:23:44]  But we'll get into that.
[00:23:46]  He says.
[00:23:47]  The word hijack apparently has no roots in the King's English, originating completely in America.
[00:23:54]  It was widely used among members of the International Workers of the World during its heyday from 1912 to 1920 and originally meant a member of a band of hobos who preyed on harvesters of the Midwest and the Northwest United States.
[00:24:08]  It was also used as a general synonym for holdup.
[00:24:11]  So I would say hijack and hobo that does feel that feels like a hijacking.
[00:24:16]  There's a very like railroad twang to both kind of I feel like jack in used in various ways was one of the top hobo words of the time.
[00:24:27]  Yeah, absolutely.
[00:24:27]  You know, like that is completely like they all named that.
[00:24:29]  They all use that as basically every verb.
[00:24:31]  Right.
[00:24:32]  Like, yeah, it's just like that's one of their words.
[00:24:35]  So the early history of hijacking is actually basically just air piracy.
[00:24:40]  Mostly revolved around the shooting down of low-flying planes.
[00:24:45]  So as we said in the airplane episode, airplanes and mail routes sort of grew up together.

=== Air Piracy Origins (16:22) ===

[00:24:50]  Right?
[00:24:50]  Like they like one thing that people always had to do back then is get letters.
[00:24:54]  Yeah.
[00:24:55]  So as the U.S. was figuring out how to get letters around, they and airplanes started getting invented.
[00:25:00]  They started using low-flying airplanes and they started letting people kind of hop on.
[00:25:04]  And that's how the airline industry kind of came into itself.
[00:25:07]  Exactly.
[00:25:08]  So an early instance of hijacking.
[00:25:11]  And now, remember, this isn't like the, I was saying that in Peru, 1931 is when people generally point to the first hijacking because I think that sort of resembles more traditional types of hijacking where it's like a group of politically minded people trying to get a pilot to do what they want.
[00:25:26]  Yeah.
[00:25:26]  Right.
[00:25:27]  I would say this one is a more traditional hijack in form of the way that the pilot was jacked while high.
[00:25:36]  Okay.
[00:25:37]  Because the jacking of this pilot takes place in the air, whereas the other one, they jacked him on the ground.
[00:25:44]  Okay, okay.
[00:25:45]  And it was a group of guys jacking him.
[00:25:46]  And this is just one guy jacking him.
[00:25:47]  Wait, stop saying that.
[00:25:48]  So back in 1928, 1928, an 18-year-old named Clarence Frasette attacked a pilot he had hired to take him across Michigan.
[00:26:00]  Now, Liz, I actually took this from a newspaper at the time.
[00:26:04]  Could you read this little excerpt I have?
[00:26:06]  Pontiac, Michigan, May 14th.
[00:26:09]  Fighting for his life in mid-air when attacked unexpectedly with a hammer, swung with maniacal fury by his passenger, Harry Anderson, 28-year-old flyer of Roseville, Michigan, lapsed into unconsciousness while his plane fell 2,000 feet in a nosedive this afternoon.
[00:26:28]  The plane crashed into splinters on the grounds of the state hospital for the insane.
[00:26:33]  Horrified spectators who had watched the spectacular flight in the sky rushed the crash victims to the city hospital.
[00:26:39]  I feel like we need like newspaper-y sound after extra extra.
[00:26:43]  Read all about it.
[00:26:45]  Like a ticker tape coming off.
[00:26:46]  So Clarence had left a note for his girlfriend that said, My postage is death, sweetheart.
[00:26:52]  That's a crazy.
[00:26:53]  No, you got to say it like, my postage is death, sweetheart.
[00:26:57]  Yeah, you need a little accent.
[00:26:58]  My postage is death, sweetheart.
[00:27:00]  Yeah, there you go.
[00:27:01]  An 18-year-old, my postage is death, sweetheart.
[00:27:03]  Yeah, it's not as good.
[00:27:04]  So be grizzled.
[00:27:05]  Be a grizzled 18-year-old.
[00:27:06]  My post.
[00:27:09]  My post.
[00:27:10]  My postage is.
[00:27:11]  My postage is death, sweetheart.
[00:27:14]  So Clarence gets sentenced to prison.
[00:27:17]  And I think it's like six years he does in there.
[00:27:19]  That's fucking crazy, though.
[00:27:21]  Yes.
[00:27:21]  I mean, so you're, yeah, exactly.
[00:27:23]  You hit a guy.
[00:27:24]  I mean, I don't really know what he was trying to get out of this, but he hit a guy in the head with a hammer that was flying a plane.
[00:27:29]  Yeah.
[00:27:29]  He had actually told the guy, he's like, listen, I actually tried out.
[00:27:31]  This is such a crazy thing.
[00:27:32]  And he crashed into the hospital for the insane.
[00:27:35]  He ended up landing in the motherfucking loony bin.
[00:27:38]  Well, he ends up going to the regular clink, gets out, and this is what they don't tell you.
[00:27:44]  Like a year after he gets out, he's sweet on this girl, right?
[00:27:48]  Same girl?
[00:27:49]  No, different girl.
[00:27:50]  And his boss at his job is like being like, I fuck this girl, I'll fuck that girl.
[00:27:55]  He's like talking about all the girls that he has like made, what do they call it at the time?
[00:27:58]  He made whoopee with.
[00:28:00]  And he's like, I made whoopee with her.
[00:28:02]  I made whoopee with her.
[00:28:03]  Like many of these hoes have made whoopee with me.
[00:28:06]  Like, you gotta, yeah.
[00:28:07]  You know, he's giving red pill advice.
[00:28:09]  And Clarence is like, but, you haven't, you haven't, you haven't made whoopee with my girl, have you?
[00:28:15]  The boss is like, indeed, I have made whoopee with her.
[00:28:17]  He kills his boss.
[00:28:19]  He murders him.
[00:28:20]  For the crime of the whoopee.
[00:28:22]  For the crime of whoopee.
[00:28:24]  Puts his boss in the trunk of his car and drives to California.
[00:28:29]  On the way.
[00:28:30]  Dyped up?
[00:28:31]  Dyped.
[00:28:31]  I don't, I don't, well, at the time, I don't think adult diaper technology was as advanced as it is today.
[00:28:36]  But men often did swaddle their underpants in, or like they, instead of underpants, they couldn't be a pencil.
[00:28:42]  They could have been the size of just a very big baby.
[00:28:45]  Clarence Freshette, I am picturing either a very big baby, a baby that is the size of a teenager or a teenager that's the size of a baby.
[00:28:54]  Interesting.
[00:28:55]  And he at one point stops and picks up passengers.
[00:29:00]  And like he's actually with his girlfriend for a second.
[00:29:03]  And she gets kind of creeped out by him.
[00:29:05]  But he picks up passengers, three like random people that he meets.
[00:29:09]  And he gets stopped in Truckee, California.
[00:29:12]  Hey.
[00:29:13]  Because his boss's parents had figured out that he probably killed him.
[00:29:17]  And so there's kind of an APB out for this character.
[00:29:20]  And they stop him and like open the trunk.
[00:29:22]  And there's just, he's been driving the entire way with a dead body.
[00:29:24]  Disgusting.
[00:29:25]  And I'm like, how did you get it?
[00:29:28]  I mean, I think he did try to use whoopee in his defense.
[00:29:30]  There was, actually, I spent way too long looking at this stuff.
[00:29:33]  At one point, they did use a lie detector on him, and that became part of his appeal.
[00:29:37]  But unfortunately, he was sentenced too late.
[00:29:39]  Well, I guess fortunately, he was sentenced to life in prison.
[00:29:43]  So there have been various other nut cases who have hijacked planes.
[00:29:48]  At one point, the wife of a Parisian publicist, which that is a Parisian publicist.
[00:29:52]  I'm sorry.
[00:29:53]  If you're a Parisian publicist and you have a wife, I think the way that God would write the novel of the world is your wife is unfortunately going to be insane.
[00:30:01]  Like, she's going to have a really crazy mental illness.
[00:30:05]  She was shot by police after she hijacked a plane on the tarmac in Paris.
[00:30:09]  Okay.
[00:30:10]  She sort of cycled between why she was hijacking it for various different political causes, and then at one point wanted to prevent the release of a movie.
[00:30:17]  I think that's what she said a lot.
[00:30:18]  And after that, the police were like, we will do no such thing.
[00:30:21]  Polanski will stay here.
[00:30:22]  We will never.
[00:30:23]  I don't know how the French talk.
[00:30:24]  But anyways, it was not about Polanski.
[00:30:26]  Well, they're very passionate about cinema.
[00:30:28]  In sort of a callback to your oil man who wanted to get back with his ex-wife, a man named Glenn Elmo Riggs, who is a vest West Virginia.
[00:30:36]  That's a fucking fantastic name.
[00:30:38]  I know, Glenn Elmo Riggs.
[00:30:40]  That's great.
[00:30:40]  Men don't be named Elmo anymore.
[00:30:43]  And you know what?
[00:30:44]  It's because of these modern women.
[00:30:46]  These modern women.
[00:30:47]  Because if you get on hinge.com and you write, I'm Elmo, no jokes, please.
[00:30:52]  All these women just fucking, they send you voicemail.
[00:30:55]  They're like, do you want to have a sneaky link?
[00:30:59]  I don't even know what that means.
[00:31:00]  Does it mean cheating?
[00:31:01]  I don't know.
[00:31:01]  Her name's Elmo.
[00:31:04]  Luke Elmo.
[00:31:05]  Oh, it's a great name.
[00:31:06]  It's a great name.
[00:31:07]  You'd be a cool Elmo.
[00:31:08]  I think I could do Elmo, honestly.
[00:31:10]  I think I could really do Elmo.
[00:31:11]  You could pull off Elmo.
[00:31:13]  I think I could.
[00:31:13]  Maybe I'll need my son that.
[00:31:15]  I'm pregnant, by the way.
[00:31:16]  So he was a West Virginia coal miner who demanded to be flown to Israel, which is, I love that.
[00:31:24]  I think he was just really drunk because when he was arrested and on trial, he was like, I don't really remember what happened.
[00:31:32]  He seems to have like, and he was drinking heavily at the airport.
[00:31:37]  And so I think he just got wasted.
[00:31:39]  And then, I don't know if we should.
[00:31:40]  Turns out they just gave him a house.
[00:31:42]  That's crazy.
[00:31:42]  That's what they do.
[00:31:43]  Yeah.
[00:31:44]  Americans.
[00:31:45]  They just give you a house.
[00:31:46]  Well, he didn't make it to Israel.
[00:31:47]  Oh, well.
[00:31:49]  So, because they just beat the shit.
[00:31:51]  He left his, actually, I'll tell you how they got him.
[00:31:53]  He left his gun on the seat.
[00:31:54]  And this is a true and on tip.
[00:31:56]  Where did he go without it?
[00:31:58]  I think he was just like, he was, the pilot just started drunk.
[00:32:01]  So the pilots were just kind of talking to him.
[00:32:03]  Like, hey, man, like, what's up?
[00:32:05]  And I think he was just like in the cockpit, like, rapping with these dudes.
[00:32:08]  And he put his gun down and one of them just picked up the gun and pointed it at him.
[00:32:11]  Yeah, well.
[00:32:11]  And this is a true and on tip for everybody out there.
[00:32:14]  If you have the gun, hand hold time.
[00:32:17]  Yeah.
[00:32:17]  But not on the trigger.
[00:32:19]  Well, no.
[00:32:20]  No, if you're pointed at someone, put your finger on the trigger.
[00:32:22]  No, don't do that.
[00:32:23]  Not in a situation like this.
[00:32:27]  Yes, do that.
[00:32:29]  But don't use it to wave at things.
[00:32:33]  Because that's what you always see how people get it knocked out of their hand.
[00:32:36]  They're like, you, you, over there.
[00:32:38]  And then they'll use the gun to point in that direction.
[00:32:41]  You have a whole like, you know, waving a cold cut.
[00:32:45]  Use either your head to point, like to nudge them in the direction.
[00:32:48]  This looks tougher.
[00:32:49]  Chin.
[00:32:49]  It looks tougher.
[00:32:50]  Yeah, use the chin.
[00:32:51]  But if you are being held up by somebody and they do put their gun down, pick up the gun and just shoot them.
[00:32:57]  Oh, yeah.
[00:32:58]  Or just point it at them.
[00:32:59]  And then pull that motherfucking trigger.
[00:33:01]  All right.
[00:33:02]  So I don't know whether to include this sort of third type of nutcut or this other type of nutcase within the nutcase theme because this isn't a traditional plane hijacking, but you cannot discount the classic case of the pilots who go crazy and purposely crash a plane.
[00:33:18]  That feels like a whole nother episode because it's a different psychological profile.
[00:33:22]  That doesn't have anything.
[00:33:23]  I feel like that's not hijacking.
[00:33:25]  I think that happened in Malaysian Air.
[00:33:26]  Wow.
[00:33:27]  Maybe we'll do that.
[00:33:28]  The German wings.
[00:33:29]  You remember that famous one?
[00:33:30]  I think it went down over France.
[00:33:32]  It was like a German wings flight and it was like a depressed pilot who failed a bunch of mental health.
[00:33:36]  That is like so fucking scary.
[00:33:38]  So scary because he had locked the other pilot out because of post-nominal safety features.
[00:33:43]  That also features in the show hijacking.
[00:33:46]  Hijack?
[00:33:46]  Oh, it does.
[00:33:47]  Wow.
[00:33:47]  He just Elba talks about this?
[00:33:49]  He does.
[00:33:50]  No, but it's like part of it.
[00:33:51]  They're like, no, you can't get into the cockpit because of 9-11.
[00:33:54]  Oh, that is.
[00:33:55]  I thought the German Wings thing.
[00:33:56]  Oh, no.
[00:33:57]  No.
[00:33:57]  So that's kind of a hijacking because he does take control of the plane soul control from his co-pilot.
[00:34:04]  We should say this series is brought to you by the Apple TV show.
[00:34:08]  Hijack.
[00:34:09]  People will believe you, Liz.
[00:34:11]  Do you think?
[00:34:12]  Yeah, of course.
[00:34:13]  But maybe people who are in charge of giving money like that will be.
[00:34:17]  Oh, we could do.
[00:34:17]  It's like how influencers will be like, like pretend that they're sponsored by like Maybelline or whatever.
[00:34:23]  Okay, yeah, this is sponsored by hijacking Apple TV.
[00:34:27]  Also sponsored by Amazon.
[00:34:28]  Yeah.
[00:34:29]  So we also, the second category is we have the criminals.
[00:34:33]  So this is traditional air piracy.
[00:34:36]  And I think everybody listening can kind of fill in the blanks here, right?
[00:34:39]  You take, you basically, you have a lot of advantages here.
[00:34:42]  You have, you're in a, in a mobile, it's like robbing a bank except the bank can fly.
[00:34:46]  So here's the thing.
[00:34:47]  I want to say this for our Zoomer listeners, which is one, get a job.
[00:34:53]  Get a job.
[00:34:55]  Go, yeah.
[00:34:57]  Pull up your pants.
[00:34:58]  Oh, Lord.
[00:35:00]  Unless they're those crazy big old denim shorts everybody's wearing.
[00:35:04]  These women are wearing these days.
[00:35:06]  Oh, stop wearing those.
[00:35:07]  Stop wearing those.
[00:35:08]  No, I'm not saying any of those things.
[00:35:09]  But what I am saying is that you might only know of hijacking as 9-11 because you're very stupid.
[00:35:18]  Here's the thing.
[00:35:19]  People used to hijack planes for all kinds of reasons, as we're saying.
[00:35:21]  But a lot of times it was just to get money.
[00:35:23]  Get money.
[00:35:24]  Get money.
[00:35:25]  And that's the criminal.
[00:35:26]  This was hustle culture back then.
[00:35:28]  Yes.
[00:35:28]  Now it's you drop ship.
[00:35:29]  Back then it was like, well, I'm going to take a hostage.
[00:35:33]  Ship of air.
[00:35:35]  Exactly.
[00:35:36]  Wow.
[00:35:37]  That's really good, Liz.
[00:35:39]  You know, it could have worked.
[00:35:40]  It's the classic thing.
[00:35:41]  You know, you have a bunch of hostages.
[00:35:43]  You have a mobile platform.
[00:35:45]  And, you know, the only problem is getting off of the plane.
[00:35:50]  Yeah.
[00:35:50]  This is the big problem.
[00:35:52]  But the thing is...
[00:35:53]  I'm going to say this.
[00:35:54]  Lot cannot square that circle.
[00:35:57]  Lot cannot square that circle.
[00:35:58]  D.B. Cooper could, which we'll talk about.
[00:36:00]  Or did he, or couldn't he?
[00:36:02]  Or did he?
[00:36:02]  He might have just fallen to the ground and died.
[00:36:04]  Yeah, in which case he did not.
[00:36:05]  It's very possible.
[00:36:07]  But this was, there's some overlap here because a lot of these would functionally happen in the same way as political hijacking.
[00:36:16]  Right.
[00:36:16]  Which is the same.
[00:36:16]  But they're very different.
[00:36:17]  Very different.
[00:36:18]  Very different.
[00:36:19]  Yes.
[00:36:19]  Yeah.
[00:36:20]  The third major category is, of course, the famous political hijacking.
[00:36:26]  So there's this document that the CIA wrote in July 1982.
[00:36:31]  It was released like five years ago.
[00:36:34]  It's basically like an examination of the, you know, the major period of air hijackings and tries to like, and there's a lot of documents, there's a lot of like papers and stuff written about this, but like basically tries to like separate each hijacking into a village to categorize things, right?
[00:36:49]  So they say that about 108 out of the 684 skyjackings in that period were political and that 47 different quote terrorists, according to the CIA, outfits perpetrated them.
[00:37:01]  So that's a huge amount.
[00:37:02]  I mean, 47 is kind of a lot of them.
[00:37:04]  Yeah, that's a lot more than I think people would think.
[00:37:06]  Exactly.
[00:37:07]  And yeah, there is actually a huge number.
[00:37:09]  I think they have listed in the appendix of this document.
[00:37:12]  And there's some I hadn't even heard of in there.
[00:37:15]  So notably, the CIA says that only about 8% of the hijackings actually occurred in North America and that most terrorists boarded in Lebanon.
[00:37:23]  Were the Irregulars on there?
[00:37:25]  They're- I mean, the thing is- That's a great name.
[00:37:28]  They used to...
[00:37:29]  Also, that's a really good punk band.
[00:37:31]  ...in a regular...
[00:37:32]  Is it Punk Bay, I believe?
[00:37:33]  The terrorists is an, I don't think a very good one, though.
[00:37:36]  The terrorists and irregulars are kind of the same thing.
[00:37:41]  But they became branded as like a terrorist in the 1960s would have been an irregular in a different context in the 1930s.
[00:37:49]  You can read Foucault about that.
[00:37:50]  Exactly.
[00:37:51]  Yeah.
[00:37:52]  I've never read a single word Foucault has written.
[00:37:54]  And you shouldn't.
[00:37:55]  And look at me.
[00:37:55]  I'm happy.
[00:37:56]  I'm healthy.
[00:37:57]  I'm doing well.
[00:37:57]  And look at you out there.
[00:37:58]  I know there's people who've read every word.
[00:38:00]  Are you happy?
[00:38:02]  Are you happy when you go to bed tonight?
[00:38:04]  Do you close your eyes and smile?
[00:38:06]  I don't do that.
[00:38:07]  I'm going to be honest.
[00:38:08]  I don't smile.
[00:38:09]  I have trouble sleeping.
[00:38:11]  However, a huge amount of those planes, despite where they took off, also ended up in Cuba.
[00:38:17]  So much so that there was actually a cute little sort of like influencer house that all the hijackers live there together.
[00:38:23]  Hijack house.
[00:38:24]  It was hijacked.
[00:38:24]  You're actually correct.
[00:38:25]  That is what they called it.
[00:38:26]  Hijack house.
[00:38:27]  That's cute.
[00:38:28]  And I got it.
[00:38:29]  I got to, I think, mention here.
[00:38:31]  A lot of times host countries were not exactly super juiced to accept hijackers.
[00:38:38]  Yes.
[00:38:38]  Cuba is a real country.
[00:38:40]  They have a real intelligence service.
[00:38:42]  They have a real army.
[00:38:44]  And so a lot of times, and this is true of Libya, Syria as well, a lot of times people would hijack planes and go there.
[00:38:53]  And sometimes the people in those intelligence services, those armies, would be like, cool, dude.
[00:38:57]  Like, thank you.
[00:38:58]  We were like really playing on there.
[00:38:59]  Like, those countries have like agendas of their own.
[00:39:01]  Sure.
[00:39:02]  Weren't always.
[00:39:03]  Why'd you come crash the party, et cetera?
[00:39:05]  We didn't invite you.
[00:39:06]  We don't really know what's going on.
[00:39:07]  Also, I will say this, from a intelligence perspective, do you trust the hijacker?
[00:39:16]  No.
[00:39:16]  That's what I'm saying.
[00:39:17]  A lot of times they didn't, right?
[00:39:19]  Because I think they were like, well, you are.
[00:39:22]  I mean, this is the other problem.
[00:39:24]  I think in a lot of these guys' heads, and there's various different, I mean, we're not talking about like the PFLP members here, right?
[00:39:30]  We're kind of talking about like more, maybe less connected guys.
[00:39:34]  But I would say like the one-offs that are like, I'm just fucking going to Cuba.
[00:39:37]  I'm going to Cuba.
[00:39:38]  It's like, well, you're kind of crazy.
[00:39:40]  Like you hijacked a plane.
[00:39:42]  And so like, no, you're not going to like come.
[00:39:44]  I think that people have this in their head that they're going to go somewhere and they're maybe like, maybe like a hero.
[00:39:48]  Like, look, I got you this plane.
[00:39:50]  But what you're really doing is you got to think, like, are you actually making more work for them?
[00:39:53]  Yeah.
[00:39:53]  You know, like, it's like, do you like it when someone says, it's like, I'm going to come crash at your house for a week?
[00:39:57]  Yeah, I would say Cuba wasn't exactly welcoming them.
[00:40:00]  The U.S. really didn't know how to stop them either.
[00:40:03]  I mean, we should say they did try to, they thought of building a fake airport that would look like the Havana airport to fool hijackers into landing there.
[00:40:16]  That's crazy to me because the whole thing with I've flown into Cuba.
[00:40:20]  I went there in 2015.
[00:40:22]  And one of the major parts of going to Cuba is that you flying over an island.
[00:40:27]  Yeah.
[00:40:28]  Right.
[00:40:28]  And if astute listeners might realize, not only is no man an island, but Florida itself is also not an island.
[00:40:36]  And so I get that it's peninsular in some areas, or in all areas, I guess.
[00:40:41]  But I think very cute fourth area.
[00:40:44]  Exactly.
[00:40:45]  If I was a hijacker, I'm like, hey, we're over Cuba now.
[00:40:48]  I'd be like, show me the fourth area.
[00:40:50]  Right.
[00:40:51]  America loves solving a problem by just like building a fake thing.
[00:40:54]  Well, I'll get to it a little later, but that almost did work in a way.
[00:40:58]  That's fucking Truman Show ass fucking country.
[00:41:00]  So the reasons for political types to hijack a plane are pretty obvious, I think.
[00:41:06]  And one of the classic things that political people like to do is to draw attention to causes.

=== Japanese Red Army Faction (10:09) ===

[00:41:12]  And so this is why we often had, especially groups like the PFLP, hijacking planes.
[00:41:18]  Now, hijacking within the PFLP was almost like an art.
[00:41:22]  They did it many times.
[00:41:23]  They were fantastic at it.
[00:41:24]  Fantastic at it.
[00:41:25]  Famously so.
[00:41:26]  And so sometimes, you know, they would do this to draw attention to things.
[00:41:30]  Sometimes they would do it to be like to show that they were serious because there was, of course, like people who were, you know, pro-treaty.
[00:41:34]  And then there were people who were kind of rejectionists of the treaty.
[00:41:37]  Maybe we should not make peace with Israel.
[00:41:40]  And that airplane hijacking was sort of used as a, let's say, a physical rhetorical bludgeon in that argument.
[00:41:49]  Sometimes they would use these planes as getaway vehicles in already extant hostage situations.
[00:41:55]  I don't know if that class qualifies as a classic hijacking because it's sort of in the same way as you're requesting a getaway car.
[00:42:02]  Sometimes they would use them to free captured comrades.
[00:42:06]  They would take a hostage on a plane and be like, let's get some of these people.
[00:42:08]  Like we will release this plane when you free some of our people from prison.
[00:42:12]  That did often used to work, I gotta say.
[00:42:15]  So that actually worked pretty well.
[00:42:16]  It worked pretty well.
[00:42:17]  Yeah, as a case we'll get to in a little bit.
[00:42:19]  This was famously the method used by the Japanese Red Army in their attack on the French embassy in the Netherlands.
[00:42:26]  They used it to, they used a hostages essentially to free comrades that had been captured, but also demanded an airplane as a getaway vehicle for themselves.
[00:42:39]  So sometimes countries like Cuba also could sell these airplanes back or not really sell them back for full price, but like, you know, charge retrieval fees to America and say they would be able to get some foreign currencies.
[00:42:52]  Leila Khaled said, this is in a more recent interview, I think about five years ago.
[00:42:58]  I didn't care if I was the first woman hijacking a plane or not.
[00:43:00]  I just wanted to do something for our cause.
[00:43:03]  Of course, we knew we weren't going to liberate Palestine with hijackings, but it was a way to get international attention.
[00:43:08]  This is what I'm always saying.
[00:43:10]  This is the good side of women seeking attention.
[00:43:13]  Exactly.
[00:43:13]  I mean, she is, I mean, she is.
[00:43:27]  So, one of the more famous hijackings by the aforementioned Japanese Red Army, although I believe it's before they became the Japanese Red Army.
[00:43:34]  I think at this point, they were the Japanese Red Army faction.
[00:43:39]  I think them and another group merged and later became Japanese Red Army.
[00:43:43]  This happened in March 31st, 1970, at the height of the period of international airplane hijacking.
[00:43:49]  Nine members of the Red Army faction, including from a guy from that fucking band whose name I could never pronounce, but everyone had their fucking record back in 2008.
[00:43:58]  I remember this all the time when all my friends were like, oh, like we're not like, we're not just into fucking like didn't lose a discharge anymore.
[00:44:04]  We're getting into like NOI and shit.
[00:44:07]  And it's like, all right, which is good.
[00:44:09]  Like, I like NOI.
[00:44:10]  This is a period where everybody was like, we're going to get into Noi.
[00:44:13]  Yeah, everyone was in No.
[00:44:14]  2008.
[00:44:15]  Noi, Noi, Noi, Noi.
[00:44:17]  More like a Noim.
[00:44:18]  Actually, it's a fantastic band.
[00:44:19]  Just not really listening.
[00:44:20]  Kind of kind of spectrum-y band.
[00:44:23]  Sort of spectrum-y genre of music.
[00:44:25]  No disrespect to that.
[00:44:26]  I like it a lot, but let's call it Spade of Spade here.
[00:44:28]  He was in a band called Les Raislis Dead Nudes.
[00:44:33]  I think Raiselis, R-A-Z-I-L-L-E-S, it's a made-up word, I'm pretty sure.
[00:44:38]  It sounds kind of French.
[00:44:39]  But they reissued that record heavier than death in the family, which is when I found out about this hijacking.
[00:44:44]  Okay.
[00:44:44]  Because the former bass player, who actually I don't even believe played bass on that record, which was, I believe, a live record, was on this hijacking.
[00:44:52]  He was one of the hijackers.
[00:44:54]  So they're a new left group from Japan, and they hijack Japan Airlines Flight 351.
[00:45:00]  The leader of the hijackers gets up with a fucking katana.
[00:45:04]  And this is kind of what makes it famous, like in the general popular culture, because it's kind of crazy.
[00:45:10]  It is fucking crazy.
[00:45:10]  And I got to be honest.
[00:45:12]  How did he get it on the plane?
[00:45:14]  I think back then, the Japanese ticket teacher agents were probably like, that is normal.
[00:45:19]  That is normal.
[00:45:21]  Yeah, he's Bushido.
[00:45:23]  They were probably like, oh, he's probably a warrior.
[00:45:26]  Okay.
[00:45:26]  They probably thought he was a warrior.
[00:45:28]  He's probably racial.
[00:45:29]  Well, I mean, I'm sorry.
[00:45:31]  A Japanese guy having a katana.
[00:45:33]  Let's face it.
[00:45:33]  I'm sorry.
[00:45:34]  Richard Hanania here.
[00:45:35]  That's racial.
[00:45:36]  That's racial.
[00:45:37]  The guy looks like Dark Lex Friedman.
[00:45:40]  Richard Hanania.
[00:45:41]  Hasn't your name be had names yet?
[00:45:45]  When I was old enough to, if my name was Richard Hanania, when I was old enough to achieve consciousness, I would start my parents' car in the garage.
[00:45:52]  So he gets up, he gets the katana.
[00:45:55]  He's like, listen, I'm taking over this motherfucker.
[00:45:57]  Eight of his boys stand up, and these are all like college students, but they've got like pipes, you know, like, I think they got little knives.
[00:46:04]  I think one of them has a bomb.
[00:46:05]  Maybe someone has a gun.
[00:46:07]  There's like one of them, 16, and they're like, take us to fucking Cuba.
[00:46:11]  And the pilot, and this is always happening to people.
[00:46:13]  That's a long flight from Japan.
[00:46:14]  The pilot's like, that's a long flight from Japan.
[00:46:18]  He's like, I don't have the fuel.
[00:46:19]  Yeah.
[00:46:20]  My ass would say, find it, motherfucker.
[00:46:23]  I got the katana.
[00:46:24]  Yeah.
[00:46:25]  Like, yeah, refuel.
[00:46:26]  It's an airplane.
[00:46:27]  You do this all the time.
[00:46:28]  This can't fly to Cuba or you won't fly to Cuba.
[00:46:31]  But they were like, fine, then take us to North Korea.
[00:46:34]  Which I'm like, dog, just go there.
[00:46:36]  You're right next to it.
[00:46:37]  Yeah.
[00:46:38]  But regardless, they have to refuel, which I'm a little suspicious.
[00:46:42]  1970?
[00:46:43]  Yeah.
[00:46:44]  I'm like, I'm a little suspicious that you already have to refuel.
[00:46:46]  North Korea is like 40 minutes away.
[00:46:49]  They refuel in Japan.
[00:46:51]  While they're there, the pilots get this basically information that they're handed a map of flight route to North Korea.
[00:46:58]  But with that, they're sort of handed a note that says, we're going to try to do something a little funky once you guys get over there.
[00:47:04]  They are, I believe, shot at by anti-aircraft at fire from North Korea because they haven't told North Korea they're going.
[00:47:09]  Yeah, you got to tell them that.
[00:47:10]  And they're like literally on a war footing with South Korea.
[00:47:13]  You're a plane flying over South Korea.
[00:47:14]  They're a Japanese plane landing in North Korea.
[00:47:16]  They're going to shoot you.
[00:47:17]  They're going to shoot you.
[00:47:18]  Unless you just communicate.
[00:47:20]  Make a motherfucking phone call.
[00:47:21]  Just about communication.
[00:47:22]  Typical.
[00:47:23]  Typical.
[00:47:24]  Men, by the way, men doing this.
[00:47:27]  So they are escorted by two South Korean fighter jets to a military airport in South Korea, which has been decorated to look like the Pyongyang Airport.
[00:47:39]  How do they do that so fast?
[00:47:41]  I mean, they have a lot of North Korean military uniforms because obviously their spy agency has them.
[00:47:46]  They put up some North Korean flags, some DPRK flags, and they have some banners welcoming the hostages.
[00:47:53]  Or, excuse me, welcoming the hijackers.
[00:47:55]  But they land, and the hijackers are like, I don't know, dude.
[00:47:58]  Like, this looks a little weird.
[00:47:59]  This is absolutely going to be like some fucking Matt Damon-ass movie.
[00:48:03]  I can't do that.
[00:48:03]  They've made a movie out of this.
[00:48:04]  Well, there is a different movie about something else.
[00:48:06]  The Japanese Red Army did it.
[00:48:07]  It's not a good one.
[00:48:08]  It's not a good thing that they did.
[00:48:10]  They did some bad things.
[00:48:13]  But they're like, all right, well, let's, I don't know, let's get off the plane here.
[00:48:18]  Where's the pictures of Kim Jong-il?
[00:48:22]  And they're like, all right, we're trying to fool you.
[00:48:25]  Sorry.
[00:48:26]  They release the hostages.
[00:48:27]  Smart move.
[00:48:27]  And I believe they take the deputy transport minister of Japan to North Korea.
[00:48:33]  Now, by the way, they're doing this the whole time with katanas.
[00:48:36]  Katanas.
[00:48:36]  Yeah, katanas.
[00:48:37]  But you got a katana.
[00:48:38]  Doesn't have a gun anywhere?
[00:48:40]  I mean, I think people have guns, but they're probably like, I will do something crazy with this katana.
[00:48:45]  The katana is scary to me than a knife because I feel like a katana could deflect bullets.
[00:48:50]  Have you seen Ghost Dog?
[00:48:51]  Yeah, but I don't think everyone has the skills.
[00:48:53]  You don't think, but you've seen Ghost Dog.
[00:48:55]  Yes.
[00:48:55]  Yeah, great movie.
[00:48:56]  Sure.
[00:48:56]  But that guy often used a katana.
[00:48:58]  Yeah, but I'm saying not every, and especially not every man like wielding a katana has those skills, although they do think they have those skills.
[00:49:06]  This could be South Korean rape.
[00:49:07]  Well, I'm not going to say that.
[00:49:10]  But if maybe the South Koreans saw a Japanese guy with a katana and made cultural assumptions that he was good with it.
[00:49:16]  Maybe they thought, like, I don't know, he could be good with it.
[00:49:19]  So I feel like you can be skinny and still be a good sword.
[00:49:21]  It seems like something that you could quickly test.
[00:49:23]  By shooting them?
[00:49:24]  Yeah.
[00:49:24]  But they also said they had a bomb.
[00:49:25]  Okay.
[00:49:26]  So they let out the passengers.
[00:49:28]  They take the deputy transport minister and they go to North Korea.
[00:49:32]  And the plane gets returned.
[00:49:35]  The transport minister gets returned and all that kind of shit.
[00:49:38]  But they basically just like, they thought they were kind of going to become international revolutionaries.
[00:49:42]  Some of them did leave the country and like get arrested in other places, maybe doing something a little wild.
[00:49:47]  But most of them ended up just living in the DPRK in kind of a group house for the rest of their lives.
[00:49:54]  Some of them returned to Japan eventually, faced trial, and were pretty lengthy prison terms.
[00:49:59]  One of them, I believe, is running.
[00:50:01]  In fact, I believe it's the rock and roller.
[00:50:04]  I believe he is running on sort of an old people's platform for, I can't remember, but like, I think maybe actually for the, basically for parliament there.
[00:50:13]  Although I can't really remember what position, but he's running for something to help what he calls silver-haired people.
[00:50:20]  The rest of them, six of them, still live there, and they have a Twitter account at YOBO, Y-O-B-O underscore Yodo, although it hasn't been updated in a long time.
[00:50:31]  I think for since April 2022.
[00:50:33]  Japanese Red Faction later becomes Japanese Red Army.
[00:50:36]  They have a difficult incident in the mountains where they kill a bunch of each other and then have a big standout for the police, which they made a movie about, which I actually haven't seen.
[00:50:46]  Some of them participated in the Lod Airport massacre, which was a very ill-advised move where they just shot a bunch of people in an Israeli airport.
[00:50:55]  And the Japanese guys who were involved in this, I got to tell you, these guys were shooting motherfuckers all over the world, which at some level, you're like, damn, that's crazy.
[00:51:04]  Yeah.
[00:51:05]  So one trend with hijacking that I've noticed that we haven't mentioned yet is that at various points in history, officials were worried that there would basically be too many hijacking copycats because the hijackers themselves were too sexy.

=== Too Sexy to Hijack? (06:30) ===

[00:51:21]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:51:21]  We were reading about this.
[00:51:23]  This is really funny.
[00:51:24]  They were worried about it spreading through the media and there being too many sexy hijackers.
[00:51:30]  And one of those sexy hijackers was a man named Rafael Minicello or Raffele Minicello.
[00:51:39]  I don't know.
[00:51:40]  We're going to do Raphael also as a kind of like nice little nod to both the Teenage Ninja Turtles and, you know, classic Italian ancient culture in the Musk tradition.
[00:51:56]  So Raphael is Italian native, but he grew up in Seattle.
[00:52:00]  He did 16 months in South Vietnam as a Marine.
[00:52:05]  He earned himself a Purple Heart.
[00:52:07]  He said, and I believe him fully, that the American commanders were crazy racist.
[00:52:13]  But I do love an Italian complaining about racism.
[00:52:16]  However, this was in the 70s, so, you know.
[00:52:19]  Burned the village.
[00:52:21]  I burned the village.
[00:52:22]  I shooted the woman.
[00:52:24]  I shoot at a woman for him.
[00:52:26]  I murdered the children and he did nothing.
[00:52:28]  He doesn't respect me.
[00:52:30]  They apparently ended up screwing him on his salary, too.
[00:52:34]  So he was like really fucking pissed at the American military.
[00:52:38]  He decided to take revenge by breaking into Camp Pendleton and stealing a bunch of radios and watches.
[00:52:43]  And he basically added up how much he was owed, stole that in watches, and then was like, I'm just taking back what's mine.
[00:52:52]  I'm sorry here.
[00:52:53]  I have, I have, I know a lot of left-wing people think like the only joke they can make is about Italians or whatever.
[00:52:59]  Yeah.
[00:53:00]  Italians are funny.
[00:53:01]  But I like Italians a lot.
[00:53:03]  Love Italians.
[00:53:04]  They're great.
[00:53:05]  I gotta tell you, if your problem is they're being racist to you for being Italian, probably don't steal every watch on the base.
[00:53:12]  Because I'm sorry, that is sort of like the stereotype.
[00:53:15]  Fueling the fire.
[00:53:16]  Fueling the fire.
[00:53:17]  Yeah, maybe the calls come from inside the house.
[00:53:19]  So he, rather than like go to prison for that, he was court-martialed.
[00:53:23]  There was a whole thing.
[00:53:24]  He just booked it out of there and took a bus to LAX, bought a flight ticket to SFO.
[00:53:31]  With him, he brought an M1 rifle and 250 rounds.
[00:53:35]  He takes two shots of whiskey and then points his gun at a stewardess demanding to be taken to JFK.
[00:53:41]  Wait.
[00:53:42]  He brought an M1 rifle on an airplane?
[00:53:45]  He's broken down.
[00:53:46]  Okay, all right.
[00:53:48]  Okay, so he's going to the bathroom.
[00:53:49]  Instead of doing what I used to do when I was younger, which is occasionally masturbate on lion flights, he assembles an M1 rifle.
[00:53:55]  We're just going to move right past that.
[00:53:56]  And then move right past that.
[00:53:57]  Because sometimes you just like when you're VRO.
[00:53:59]  Nope, we're moving past it.
[00:54:01]  Yeah, when you're viral, you just put the gun together in there and you just kind of walk out and you're like, I feel a little different.
[00:54:06]  And you just point it at a stewardess.
[00:54:08]  So he demands to go to JFK.
[00:54:09]  And apparently the crew was like, wait, you don't want to go to Cuba?
[00:54:13]  They were very, very confused at this request.
[00:54:17]  I mean, it's weird that it's like a terrorist, you know, it's like a, it's not like a state, you know?
[00:54:22]  Yeah.
[00:54:22]  Well, they're like, why would you go to New York when the police are going to be there?
[00:54:24]  You don't want to go to Cuba.
[00:54:25]  Just all hijackers went to Cuba.
[00:54:27]  Oh, JFK.
[00:54:28]  Yeah, not.
[00:54:28]  I was thinking of DC.
[00:54:29]  Yeah.
[00:54:30]  He wants to go to New York.
[00:54:31]  Yeah.
[00:54:32]  So they stop in Denver, got a refuel.
[00:54:35]  They let off all the hostages.
[00:54:37]  And while on the way to JFK, he tells his story to the crew.
[00:54:42]  Now, this is like, I can only imagine he's sort of like gathered around and being very like charming and Italian and like they're gesticulating wildly and like, you know, very animated and charming.
[00:54:54]  He's also very handsome.
[00:54:56]  We had to burn the village to save the village.
[00:54:59]  He has the crew like totally under his spell.
[00:55:04]  They're totally like wrapped up in it.
[00:55:06]  He's telling them about the horrible commanders and the Marines, how they screwed him out of his money, all this shit, all the terrible stuff you saw in Vietnam.
[00:55:11]  He was very anti-Vietnam.
[00:55:13]  Well, think of it this way, too.
[00:55:14]  At this point, actually, if the passengers have been let off, but the plane is still going, technically the stewardesses and the pilots are still getting paid.
[00:55:24]  That's true.
[00:55:25]  And so it's like they're just getting free overtime while handing out with a sexy Italian, because he's probably using the gun method on him, right?
[00:55:31]  Famous brace belt and gun method, where he's like, points the gun at you, you're freaked out, he's going to kill you.
[00:55:35]  Then he lets you, he probably let the stewardesses point the gun at him.
[00:55:38]  So they're like totally on his side and they're like, let's not go to JFK, let's just go to fucking Rome.
[00:55:43]  And he's like, baller, great.
[00:55:46]  They go to Rome.
[00:55:48]  They land.
[00:55:49]  At which point, Rafael is able to escape the authorities and goes into hiding in like a church in the countryside.
[00:55:56]  How does he get out?
[00:55:57]  He just leaves the airport?
[00:55:58]  I don't know.
[00:55:59]  I mean, I think he's very like 70.
[00:56:01]  Yeah.
[00:56:01]  He's like skinny and running around.
[00:56:02]  He just like blends in with all other like handsome unshaven 30-year-old Italian in Rome.
[00:56:09]  Now, he became kind of like an Italian folk hero at this point, and he gets captured after like a couple of months of being in hiding.
[00:56:16]  And he was like super popular.
[00:56:18]  Like the Italian people fucking loved him, and he was so popular that the Italian government was like, shit, we can't extradite him.
[00:56:26]  Like people like him too much, they'll get too mad at us.
[00:56:29]  And then that made the U.S. like super fucking pissed.
[00:56:32]  Like Nixon was like really, really mad at the Italians and was like, these are like NATO brothers.
[00:56:38]  Like blah, blah, blah.
[00:56:39]  Obviously, everyone knows what also the U.S. was doing in Italy.
[00:56:43]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:56:44]  He's like, send the Sixth Fleet over there.
[00:56:45]  Yeah, this is all because of Rafael.
[00:56:49]  So he gets out.
[00:56:51]  They try him on a minor count.
[00:56:52]  He serves only 18 months in prison.
[00:56:54]  And then he gets out and he signs a deal to be a movie star in a spaghetti western.
[00:57:00]  He was a really charming guy.
[00:57:02]  He continues being kind of a folk hero.
[00:57:04]  Then he opens up a pizzeria in Rome called hijacking.
[00:57:08]  Okay.
[00:57:10]  And, you know, I think to this day, like, people will go visit him in Naples and he'll still talk to big fans.
[00:57:18]  He's like a big hero there in Italy.
[00:57:22]  Shirtless and beautiful.
[00:57:24]  But like I said, you know, this made the Americans really, really pissed.
[00:57:26]  And I guess, you know, Nixon was like so mad and angry and scared of Rafael's sexiness that they tried to like limit the media exposure of him in America because they were like, we need to stop Americans from thinking that it's super sexy to hijack planes.
[00:57:46]  It is.
[00:57:46]  It was.
[00:57:47]  Was 9-11 changed everything?
[00:57:49]  9-11 changed everything.

=== 9-11's Aftermath (12:07) ===

[00:57:52]  And they were like really trying to limit it and trying to make sure that, you know, don't get any big ideas.
[00:57:56]  Don't get too sexy.
[00:57:57]  Don't do what this handsome Italian man with the airline stewardess is on his lap, fully French kissing him.
[00:58:03]  But the crazy kind where like your mouth is too over the other person's mouth like they do sometimes in movies.
[00:58:09]  Don't do that.
[00:58:10]  It didn't work.
[00:58:11]  A week later, a 14-year-old boy from Ohio took a hostage, a young girl on a bus and like used her to like make his way through an airport in Cincinnati and then like got on a plane with this like young girl and was like, take me to Stockholm.
[00:58:27]  Why doesn't he just start the hijacking on the bus?
[00:58:31]  No, because he's, I don't know, he's 14 and he was trying to be sexy.
[00:58:36]  Oh man, he's like, oh, he thought, he thought that she would develop Stockholm syndrome.
[00:58:40]  Yeah, Raphael's sexy magic.
[00:58:44]  Now, there's, of course, another very famous sexy hijacker who you mentioned.
[00:58:47]  Yes.
[00:58:48]  Layla Khaled.
[00:58:49]  We should talk about her.
[00:58:50]  Now, she basically refused to be a sexy icon for hijacking, which is like very iconic.
[00:58:56]  Yeah, I mean, she's, she's like, obviously, one of the great heroes of the 20th century.
[00:59:02]  Yeah, she ended up basically an icon, even though she didn't want to be.
[00:59:06]  This was August 29th, 1969.
[00:59:08]  She was 25 years old at the time, member of the PFLP, like we said, PFLPQT.
[00:59:14]  Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine.
[00:59:17]  Thank you.
[00:59:18]  This was a TWA flight headed to Tel Aviv from Rome, but like while they were on the flight, they diverted it to Damascus.
[00:59:27]  They freed all the passengers on board and then blew up the nose of the plane.
[00:59:32]  She and the rest were arrested in Syria.
[00:59:35]  There's a very famous photo where she's sort of like, you know, she has like a necklace with bullets on it.
[00:59:41]  This is where all this kind of like iconography came from.
[00:59:45]  And the Syrians, too, like, they had a fractuous relationship with Palestine or Palestinian groups for, and to this present day.
[00:59:56]  There was a lot of maneuvering between them and Iraq and various Palestinian groups, the Lebanese government.
[01:00:02]  I mean, it's just, it became like a kind of complicated morass at times.
[01:00:06]  Yeah, she became a bit of celeb, though, from these photos that came out of her.
[01:00:10]  She was because, you know, she's like very beautiful, very cool, very chic, et cetera.
[01:00:14]  She got so famous that she actually underwent a bunch of like pretty early, early style plastic surgery.
[01:00:21]  I think like six or seven surgeries to basically like change her face so much that she couldn't be recognized so she could do more hijackings, which is like so fucking badass.
[01:00:30]  Well, she did do famously another hijacking a year later.
[01:00:34]  Her and this guy, Patrick Arguello, who like Arguello Street in San Francisco was from San Francisco.
[01:00:40]  That sentence didn't make total sense.
[01:00:42]  He was from San Francisco, but he was actually a Sandinista, and so he did not spend a lot of time in San Francisco.
[01:00:48]  Bernie Sanders supporter.
[01:00:50]  Yes.
[01:00:51]  She and him were part of a coordinated effort by the PFLP to hijack four different airplanes at the same time.
[01:00:58]  Because the PFLP at this point were like, we're getting pretty good at those.
[01:01:00]  Like, let's start up in the ante here.
[01:01:03]  Let's ramp it up.
[01:01:04]  Let's ramp it up.
[01:01:05]  And so they're like, we're going to do four different coordinated airplane hijacks, land them all in Jordan, where a lot of Palestinian groups were based at the time, although not for much longer.
[01:01:15]  And unfortunately, he threw a grenade, which I got to be, as somebody who has witnessed the effects of hand grenades, throwing a grenade at an airplane is the craziest fucking thing you could do.
[01:01:28]  It happened many times.
[01:01:30]  Just because, I mean, they're not, it's not like, I mean, some of them are explosive, but like, I'm sure he was using a shrapnel one.
[01:01:35]  It just, it didn't go off.
[01:01:37]  And a guy was like, what the fuck?
[01:01:39]  She did that.
[01:01:40]  She did it too.
[01:01:41]  Yeah.
[01:01:41]  She did it at one point as well.
[01:01:42]  Yeah.
[01:01:43]  He, she, I mean, who knows?
[01:01:45]  They might have just been like weird little bombs they had.
[01:01:47]  I don't know if they were act.
[01:01:48]  I can't imagine they were actual hand grenades because like those really like many people would have died.
[01:01:54]  Yeah.
[01:01:54]  Like a hand grenade.
[01:01:55]  Well, and it's like, what are the coincidences that they both don't work?
[01:01:58]  Yeah.
[01:01:59]  Yes.
[01:01:59]  Why do you have all these bad grenades?
[01:02:01]  He's hit over the head with like, I believe a whiskey bottle, and basically they lose the hijacking.
[01:02:06]  They are arrested in England.
[01:02:09]  And so the PFLP is like, how do we the fuck do we get them out?
[01:02:12]  Oh, let's hijack another plane.
[01:02:15]  It solves all your problems.
[01:02:16]  And it worked.
[01:02:17]  They get out.
[01:02:18]  They fucking, they're flown out of there.
[01:02:19]  They free the guy there prisoners.
[01:02:21]  And this is actually a very, very famous, one of the most famous hijackings of all time, the Dawson's Fields hijacking.
[01:02:28]  So they take all four of these airplanes, they put them in a field, well, not a field, rather, an airstrip in Jordan.
[01:02:34]  An airfield.
[01:02:35]  An airfield.
[01:02:36]  And then they blow up the airplanes.
[01:02:39]  Coincidentally, not coincidentally, there's actually no coincidence here at all.
[01:02:42]  Funnily enough, one of the hostages on those airplanes, they let the hostages go, was Louise Mensch's brother.
[01:02:51]  That's weird.
[01:02:52]  Weird.
[01:02:53]  It's just weird.
[01:02:53]  It's funny.
[01:02:54]  Could be part of her.
[01:02:55]  I think he's a half-brother, but same last name.
[01:02:57]  Peter Mensch, I believe his name was.
[01:03:00]  But it really, like, I mean, hijacking planes back then, it's like, if you get arrested, it's like, well, just go hijack a plane.
[01:03:05]  They'll fly you out of there.
[01:03:07]  Nowadays, we don't negotiate with terrorists.
[01:03:22]  So we got to wrap up because we've been going long, but it would be, it would, we would be remiss if we didn't mention probably one of the most, I would say the most famous pre-9-11 hijackings in America.
[01:03:37]  And that is the one by D.B. Cooper.
[01:03:42]  The most Portland of all hijackings, I would say.
[01:03:46]  And it is a, it's a Portland-ass name.
[01:03:48]  It's a Portland ass name.
[01:03:49]  It's not even a real name.
[01:03:50]  It's not a real name.
[01:03:51]  It takes place basically in the, I mean, in the Pacific Northwest.
[01:03:55]  Which is.
[01:03:55]  In Portland.
[01:03:56]  Not sexy.
[01:03:58]  And everyone obsessed with this case, I feel like, is very Portland-coded.
[01:04:02]  Pre-Portland coded.
[01:04:03]  It's very, I would say the D.B. Cooper thing is like a specific, like, it's meme-ified a little bit.
[01:04:10]  Yes.
[01:04:10]  It's very mustache on a toothpick.
[01:04:14]  Yes.
[01:04:15]  Like at DP Cooper con.
[01:04:20]  DB CooperCon.
[01:04:21]  Yeah.
[01:04:21]  And you put on the sunglasses and everyone does their best D.B. Cooper like, you know, sketch.
[01:04:28]  Yeah, like you go to a DB Cooper convention in the woods or something.
[01:04:31]  Yeah.
[01:04:32]  Yeah.
[01:04:33]  But nonetheless.
[01:04:35]  It actually, people don't know this either.
[01:04:36]  It stood for Diablo Baldur's Gate.
[01:04:39]  Cooper.
[01:04:40]  Nonetheless, it is a crazy fucking story.
[01:04:43]  It is a wild story.
[01:04:44]  And it's a classic true crime bitch, so we're going to do it.
[01:04:46]  So it's for all of our little Zoomers out there who, again, don't know anything about anything in the world.
[01:04:51]  This happened Thanksgiving Eve, 1971.
[01:04:55]  We used to be a real country.
[01:04:56]  We used to celebrate Thanksgiving.
[01:04:58]  We used to have an Eve.
[01:04:59]  He used to celebrate Thanksgiving Eve.
[01:05:02]  A man boards a plane from PDX heading to SeaTac.
[01:05:07]  That's boarding a plane in Portland, heading to Seattle.
[01:05:10]  You're a bum.
[01:05:11]  That's like a two-hour drive.
[01:05:12]  That's what I'm saying.
[01:05:13]  It's like a 37-hour flight.
[01:05:15]  That's like flying from San Francisco to San Francisco.
[01:05:17]  Wait, a 37-hour flight?
[01:05:18]  37-minute flight.
[01:05:19]  Going around the world together?
[01:05:21]  You're going to get the long route.
[01:05:24]  37-minute flight.
[01:05:26]  Yeah, it's like a two-hour drive.
[01:05:27]  I don't get it.
[01:05:28]  I don't get it either.
[01:05:29]  Anyway, I think everyone has kind of seen the famous sketch of Mr. Cooper.
[01:05:35]  I'm going to call him Mr. Cooper.
[01:05:36]  Mr. Cooper.
[01:05:38]  White male, mid-40s.
[01:05:40]  So sick.
[01:05:41]  Dark hair.
[01:05:42]  A little bit of a seedy hairline.
[01:05:44]  Every woman listening to this right now is like rubbing coconut oil all over her body.
[01:05:48]  Sunglasses, suit and tie.
[01:05:52]  According to witnesses, he had a briefcase and a brown paper bag.
[01:05:57]  Which I don't believe had a sandwich in it.
[01:05:59]  Now, on the flight, he passes a note to a stewardess.
[01:06:02]  Now, the stewardess's name was Flo Schaffner.
[01:06:05]  Okay.
[01:06:05]  Which is the most stewardess name I've ever heard in my life.
[01:06:08]  That's crazy.
[01:06:10]  Flo Shafner.
[01:06:10]  That's a very stewardess.
[01:06:12]  That's also a very Portland name.
[01:06:14]  Very Portland name, too.
[01:06:15]  That's like something that like you would, that's like you move to Portland to take up clowning and you work at like a like a retro style.
[01:06:20]  I fucking hate Portland.
[01:06:22]  I know.
[01:06:22]  I hate Portland so fuck.
[01:06:24]  And I'm sorry to anybody out there.
[01:06:26]  I know I had a good time when I was there.
[01:06:28]  I like many of you.
[01:06:30]  This town, it sucks.
[01:06:32]  It's just too much.
[01:06:32]  It's just too much.
[01:06:33]  It's a drag.
[01:06:35]  It was the first place I was ever dope sick.
[01:06:38]  And it was so funny because at the time I was like, I don't, because I didn't really get that it was happening to me.
[01:06:43]  But I was like, this town is making me feel like this.
[01:06:46]  And it's just, it's the diner and the gray sky and the puddles of water.
[01:06:50]  It just, it makes me, I can understand why everyone I know there is a really bad alcoholic.
[01:06:55]  So Flo gets a note from this man and he's, and it says, there's a bomb on the plane.
[01:07:01]  Give me $200,000.
[01:07:04]  First, she doesn't even look at the note and he has to be like, lady, can you look at the note?
[01:07:09]  Like, it's not my, I'm not asking.
[01:07:10]  White man in his mid-40s struggling to be heard.
[01:07:12]  No wonder there's so many suicides.
[01:07:14]  $200,000, by the way, in 1971 would be about $1.5 million in Joe Biden dollars.
[01:07:24]  So a decent amount of fucking cash.
[01:07:26]  Unfortunately, can't buy you anything today because of Joe Biden inflation.
[01:07:29]  He also asked for some parachutes, which will be important in a second.
[01:07:32]  Now, he shows the stewardess the bomb, which she says was eight red cylinders, two rows of four, basically what I would call cartoon-looking dynamite.
[01:07:44]  She takes all of this info to the pilot who takes it to air traffic control.
[01:07:48]  Now, the people on the ground are like, okay, fine, because we do negotiate with terrorists.
[01:07:54]  Yes.
[01:07:54]  Things used to be so much better.
[01:07:57]  So much more civilized.
[01:07:58]  Much more civilized.
[01:07:59]  Um, we'll give you the two hundred thousand dollars, just don't let anyone get hurt.
[01:08:04]  That's what they say.
[01:08:05]  And so the plane circles in the air for like two hours because they're like, well, we need to, we need some time.
[01:08:12]  We got to pull up, get together the cash.
[01:08:13]  We got to get together the parachutes.
[01:08:14]  We don't even know where to get those yeah, um.
[01:08:17]  And so I think the FBI is kind of like stalling.
[01:08:19]  Yeah, you know where to go.
[01:08:20]  It's an airport, there's a parachute there.
[01:08:21]  You go to the bank, you go to oh, for the money.
[01:08:25]  Okay yeah, I don't know the parachutes.
[01:08:27]  Uh, they pull together the cash and they get the parachutes.
[01:08:30]  They land the plane at Sea Tac and the man exchanges all the hostages for a briefcase of cash and four parachutes.
[01:08:40]  He keeps a small crew on board obviously you need a pilot too um, and he says, I want to go to Mexico.
[01:08:48]  So when he demands to go to Mexico, he also says we're gonna need to fly at a really low speed, kind of low to the ground uh, and also keep all the rear exits open and also keep the little stairs attached to the exits while you're flying which, by the way, is now why that's a rule that you can't do that really.
[01:09:12]  Yeah, there's like a.
[01:09:12]  There's a whole.
[01:09:13]  You can't fly with the doors open anymore.
[01:09:15]  No, you can't.
[01:09:15]  There's a whole thing with how you attach the stairs.
[01:09:19]  Anyway it's like a whole thing, but it's because of this anyway.
[01:09:23]  So the cockpit's like, we can't make it to Mexico.
[01:09:25]  This is like a tiny commuter plane we.
[01:09:28]  We only do uh, Portland to Seattle routes.
[01:09:31]  Like, come on, you got to refuel, so we got to stop in Reno.
[01:09:34]  Classic, classic hijacking scenario.
[01:09:36]  We got to stop, we have to refuel.
[01:09:38]  Uh, the man says okay fine whatever, but it doesn't matter, because I don't think there was ever a plan to get to Mexico, or for Reno for that matter.
[01:09:49]  Because after about 20 minutes, around 813, the cabin crew is like, wait a second, things seem a little bit different around here.
[01:09:57]  What happened to the guy, what happened to the hijacker?

=== Refueling Disaster (03:22) ===

[01:09:59]  And they look and he's gone.
[01:10:02]  He's seemingly jumped out of the plane.
[01:10:05]  Uh, he's got, took the cash with him and the parachutes.
[01:10:10]  Here's the thing, they never found the man, they never found the parachutes, they never found the cash and no one knows what the fuck happened.
[01:10:19]  So I mean it's, it's.
[01:10:20]  I'm like, I always wondered.
[01:10:22]  I.
[01:10:22]  I was like, did he have a guy meeting him on the ground or something?
[01:10:23]  I know there's a lot of theories on it, but it's like there's a lot of theories we're not covering because we're not actually that.
[01:10:28]  He probably just fell to the ground and died.
[01:10:30]  Well, that's what the FBI says.
[01:10:31]  Because I will say this: if I was the FBI giving a parachute to a hijacker, I would make sure that parachute didn't open.
[01:10:41]  I would be like, we're giving him different.
[01:10:42]  Do you think they were that smart?
[01:10:43]  I don't think they were that smart.
[01:10:44]  It's probably hard to do because the guy probably checked the parachutes if he knows how to parachute.
[01:10:47]  But like, I would be like, yeah, just fall and die.
[01:10:50]  Yeah.
[01:10:50]  You know what I mean?
[01:10:51]  Like, you're off the airplane.
[01:10:52]  You're one hijacker.
[01:10:53]  A bunch of the suspects that people have for who this would be were like ex-parachuters.
[01:10:59]  Yeah.
[01:10:59]  Yeah.
[01:11:01]  A lot of them old like army guys.
[01:11:02]  Yeah.
[01:11:03]  That would make sense.
[01:11:05]  But the FBI closed the case in 2016 and is just like officially no longer looking for him.
[01:11:11]  Yeah.
[01:11:11]  It's done.
[01:11:14]  But he did, of course, inspire a bunch of copycats, which much to Nixon's chagrin.
[01:11:20]  Nixon didn't like this.
[01:11:21]  Didn't like it.
[01:11:22]  No, no, sexy, no sexy hijacking allowed in the USA.
[01:11:26]  There were 15 in total attempted after Cooper's in the same style as him.
[01:11:34]  This is what's so crazy about the whole thing.
[01:11:36]  Swaggerjacking.
[01:11:37]  Swagger jacket.
[01:11:38]  You know what?
[01:11:39]  That airplane was not the only thing hijacked.
[01:11:42]  His swag was as well.
[01:11:43]  Yeah, there were a ton of veterans that attempted a bunch of these.
[01:11:48]  A lot of old Green Berets, paratroopers, people of that nature.
[01:11:51]  I mean, you have to also remember: look, this is Vietnam.
[01:11:54]  There's a lot of really fucking angry vets all around with not a lot to lose who have just seen horrible things and done terrible things.
[01:12:03]  A veteran I used to know is dead now, actually, but he told me that after, because he was in, I think, Afghanistan in like 06.
[01:12:14]  His like shit got fucked up there.
[01:12:16]  I think he was in Iraq, a different tour, but like heavily in combat, was physically injured from it.
[01:12:25]  And, you know, was part of this sort of like group of guys who were kind of fucked up from, you know, it's the classic American shoot and cry thing.
[01:12:33]  They're a little fucked up from that.
[01:12:34]  They're all go back here crazy.
[01:12:36]  But these guys would go up to Humboldt and basically raid weed plantations.
[01:12:46]  Like they would take, because people steal stuff from their time in the army frequently.
[01:12:50]  And they had like very expensive night vision goggles, things like that.
[01:12:53]  And they would go and basically like work for certain weed farmers or they would just like rob people.
[01:13:01]  Like they would burn down people's farm weed farms at the behest of like rivals.
[01:13:05]  Damn, that's crazy.
[01:13:06]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:13:08]  A guy I knew hung out with these guys, but he was like, I don't think they like let him do that.
[01:13:13]  He was like a little too crazy.
[01:13:15]  Damn, that's nuts.
[01:13:16]  I know.
[01:13:16]  Of all the guys that copied D.B. Cooper, All of them got captured.

=== Cyprus Hijackings: A Bleeding Out Situation (06:29) ===

[01:13:22]  Yeah.
[01:13:22]  Mostly like the next day or like two days later.
[01:13:25]  Like none of them really, although a lot of them made off with cash like successfully, they were like later caught.
[01:13:30]  D.B. Cooper's the only one who was like officially never caught, although who knows what happened to him.
[01:13:37]  The thing that did come out though from the whole D.B. Cooper case, universal luggage searches.
[01:13:47]  The U.S. government was finally like, all right, all right, all right.
[01:13:52]  We're going to start checking backs.
[01:13:54]  This is part of the endless and ceaseless, which is the same thing, but both true, U.S. government war on cool.
[01:14:05]  And they have, I hate to say it, people thought it was the war against the left or the war against black people.
[01:14:11]  All those things were all part of the overall war against cool.
[01:14:16]  And I hate to say it.
[01:14:18]  They won the war.
[01:14:19]  They won the war.
[01:14:20]  Flying is one of the least cool things you can do because they started checking your bags and they started checking you for guns.
[01:14:28]  And if you want to learn more about that, you should listen to our big episode we did on airplanes over on the Patreon sponsored by the TV show Hijack.
[01:14:38]  Hijack.
[01:14:39]  On Hulu?
[01:14:41]  Apple TV.
[01:14:42]  Apple TV.
[01:14:42]  Also sponsored by Hulu.
[01:14:45]  So nowadays, there's very, very, very, very few skyjackings.
[01:14:49]  9-11 changed everything.
[01:14:52]  I'm always saying that.
[01:14:53]  And say it with me again.
[01:14:54]  9-11 changed everything.
[01:14:57]  You know what, man?
[01:14:58]  9-11 changed everything.
[01:15:03]  It's really like, so 68 to 71 is really like when most of these happen.
[01:15:10]  72, they start putting in like a lot of like airport security.
[01:15:13]  And like we talked about in the airplane episode, sponsored by the Idris Elba television vehicle.
[01:15:19]  I thought he died.
[01:15:20]  No.
[01:15:21]  Why do I think that?
[01:15:22]  That's very good.
[01:15:23]  Is that like a fake thing?
[01:15:24]  Nope.
[01:15:24]  Idris Elba, no longer dead, now alive again, like Jesus Christ himself, sponsored our episode on planes.
[01:15:31]  We talk about airport security in there, but it was really lax even after this.
[01:15:36]  And you can kind of like still hijack some stuff.
[01:15:38]  But it just became more difficult to actually seek asylum in different countries.
[01:15:42]  And to like, the extradition thing became a little more difficult because there started being international treaties.
[01:15:48]  One of my greatest enemies and one of the greatest enemies of the communist movement has been international treaties because they just stop you having fun.
[01:15:55]  Yeah.
[01:15:56]  They stop you having fun.
[01:15:57]  Italians finally decided to just let the U.S. do whatever they want.
[01:16:00]  Exactly.
[01:16:01]  Exactly.
[01:16:01]  And so they started having, I think it was one in 72, it was one a few years later, and they started actually like codifying, like, listen, you can't legally hijack airplanes anymore.
[01:16:10]  You can't do it.
[01:16:11]  When, wham, wah, wah.
[01:16:12]  There were still hijackings.
[01:16:14]  Famously, there were some in China where people would hijack the plane activated to Taiwan.
[01:16:18]  Yeah.
[01:16:19]  That's the other thing.
[01:16:20]  A lot of people think it was only like these PFLP and like, you know, these left-wing people hijacking planes.
[01:16:25]  A lot of people hijack planes.
[01:16:27]  A lot of nationalists from Yugoslavia.
[01:16:31]  It takes all kinds.
[01:16:32]  It takes all kinds.
[01:16:33]  People hijack planes back then.
[01:16:35]  Now it happens very, very, very, very rarely.
[01:16:38]  In fact, the most recent incident I can remember off the top of my head happened a while ago.
[01:16:43]  And this is a classic case of a guy who was heartbroken over the loss of a wife.
[01:16:50]  A man who lost his wife.
[01:16:52]  Not to death, but to Cyprus.
[01:16:55]  An Egyptian man named Mustafa boarded an Egypt air flight.
[01:17:00]  I think it was like 10 years ago.
[01:17:02]  Oh, it might have been less time than actually.
[01:17:04]  I think it might have been, I don't know.
[01:17:06]  It didn't happen that long because it was another guy in Cyprus who was like stuck in a thing for a little while.
[01:17:10]  Anyways, he boards a flight, an Egypt air flight, I think maybe even to Cyprus.
[01:17:16]  And he has a vest that does just appear to be a white vest that maybe has some hot dogs in it.
[01:17:21]  It's like very easily identifiably fake dynamite in it.
[01:17:24]  There's like ketchup is coming through.
[01:17:26]  He's sleeping through mustard.
[01:17:28]  He didn't spend, I mean, it is actually, it's, I'll say this.
[01:17:32]  Don't put hot dogs in the vest.
[01:17:33]  He looks really, he's like an old guy.
[01:17:35]  He's sort of slump-shouldered.
[01:17:36]  He's really short.
[01:17:37]  And it makes, and he's got glasses, I think.
[01:17:40]  If he doesn't, he seems like he has glasses.
[01:17:43]  And he's like, take me to Cyprus.
[01:17:44]  Like, he wants to get, you know, what to repair things with his wife.
[01:17:47]  Obviously, the guy's a little nuts.
[01:17:48]  But the most famous thing that came out of it was a giant British guy.
[01:17:52]  I sent you guys a picture of this last night.
[01:17:54]  A giant British guy took a picture of himself smiling really big next to the guy.
[01:17:58]  Because I think they all were like, this guy is not really like, he doesn't have a bomb.
[01:18:03]  Poor guy.
[01:18:03]  He gets arrested and he gets sent to Egypt.
[01:18:05]  And I think he has life in prison.
[01:18:06]  Oh, shit.
[01:18:07]  I know.
[01:18:08]  It's awful.
[01:18:08]  But, you know, you don't see these things happen anymore.
[01:18:11]  And I think a big, listen, I don't want to be in an airplane that's hijacked, right?
[01:18:16]  I certainly don't want any of our listeners to ever do this because you would fail.
[01:18:21]  But what I do think about is like, at the end of the day, the trade-off, the reason that these hijacks were able to continue is because airports did not want to put any security, right?
[01:18:31]  Like these things, they were like, they thought this was an anti-customer move.
[01:18:36]  But if you actually add up all of the time you were spent as a hostage, taking hostage, or the time you would spend refueling, going to Cuba, et cetera, is it really that much more than all of the delays and all the cancellations that you face now because of the chaos at American airports?
[01:18:53]  Here's my thing.
[01:18:54]  Do you think that by them allowing a couple hijackings to happen every month, it was sort of like a bleeding out situation?
[01:19:04]  Like it kind of would let some of the pressure out.
[01:19:07]  Yeah.
[01:19:08]  Like you'd be like, oh, everyone to stop everyone from going crazy.
[01:19:13]  We let some of the craziness happen.
[01:19:15]  And that maintains a sense of calmness in the airports.
[01:19:18]  Well, I mean, it is, I think the problem is, and we say this is a joke, but 9-11 really did ruin everything.
[01:19:24]  Because back in the day, most of the time, I mean, this did happen.
[01:19:27]  Some airplanes were blown up, right?
[01:19:29]  That did happen mostly in the 80s, but not really in the 60s and 70s.
[01:19:34]  They were usually blown up off the ground.
[01:19:35]  They didn't really want to kill the hostages.
[01:19:37]  Some people died during these things, but most of the time, not really.
[01:19:42]  9-11, though.
[01:19:43]  Yeah, it really was.
[01:19:43]  9-11.
[01:19:44]  Because now if I was in an airplane that got taken over, I'd be like, dude, he's going to fucking fly this shit into a fucking building, bro.

=== Hammering Craziness Down (03:13) ===

[01:19:51]  Yeah.
[01:19:52]  We got to kill him.
[01:19:53]  That's not how we got to do it.
[01:19:54]  And so it's like, now, I think it's, I fear that hijacking, the glamour was irreparably tarnished by the events of September 11th, 2001.
[01:20:07]  And, you know, it's one of those things where this used to be air hijackings were the language of the unheard at one point.
[01:20:15]  You know, you wanted to draw attention to your political garage.
[01:20:17]  You wanted to teach Americans what Croatia was.
[01:20:19]  You hijacked an airplane.
[01:20:20]  And now if you hijack an airplane, I'm like, you're going to fly it into Manhattan.
[01:20:24]  And for that, I'll never forget.
[01:20:38]  So, ladies and gentlemen, a band is now practicing.
[01:20:42]  Just a little update on how our studio is going.
[01:20:46]  Our previous problem was the...
[01:20:50]  The hammer.
[01:20:50]  Well, we heard the hammer today.
[01:20:52]  Oh, our first problem was the rap vocal studio next to us.
[01:20:56]  Yes.
[01:20:57]  Fine with me.
[01:20:58]  Didn't hear the vocals.
[01:21:00]  For some reason, they did this Sans headphones, right?
[01:21:03]  And so they would be playing the subwoofer while trying to record vocals.
[01:21:06]  And now I am no Brian Eno.
[01:21:08]  Again, square that circle.
[01:21:09]  No Brian Eno, but it doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
[01:21:13]  And so we'd hear this sort of dull thud of the subwoofer.
[01:21:17]  Dealt with it, you know, or we didn't deal with it.
[01:21:19]  I mean, we just kind of don't really do it.
[01:21:23]  I guess they're not very busy right now.
[01:21:26]  Then the hammer.
[01:21:27]  The hammer.
[01:21:27]  Above us.
[01:21:28]  But that is every time we record at around, I clock it every time around 3.15.
[01:21:35]  Someone is hammering above.
[01:21:36]  And I don't know what or for what reason.
[01:21:39]  Yes.
[01:21:40]  But it's like, at first, when we first moved in here, we dismissed it as he's building furniture.
[01:21:45]  He's building furniture.
[01:21:46]  It's an IKEA situation.
[01:21:48]  That's very frustrating.
[01:21:49]  I understand the velocity and the strength at which you're hitting that thing because you are so sick of using an Allen wrench.
[01:21:58]  I understand.
[01:21:58]  I understand.
[01:22:00]  However, now it seems to be something else is going on.
[01:22:04]  Oh, we heard a saw.
[01:22:05]  The sound of a skill.
[01:22:06]  It was like coming from a different area.
[01:22:08]  You know what's happening outside?
[01:22:09]  I don't know.
[01:22:09]  There was definitely hammering today.
[01:22:10]  It was loud hammering.
[01:22:11]  I know, but hammering at a certain, at a certain point every day.
[01:22:15]  What are you doing?
[01:22:15]  Maybe he's Maybe, you know what?
[01:22:19]  Christ thing, you think?
[01:22:20]  Maybe he's like nailing guys up there.
[01:22:23]  Pause, but like he's like nailing guys to a cross up there, you think?
[01:22:26]  I mean, because it is, it's like a brief period of hammering that is like, it's punctuated by long periods of silence.
[01:22:32]  It doesn't make sense to me.
[01:22:34]  But now we have a metal band practicing up there.
[01:22:38]  And I got to tell you, people think that I like metal because I am the number one king of the punks, Prince of the Skins.
[01:22:45]  But I don't like heavy metal.
[01:22:47]  And I certainly don't like this heavy metal.
[01:22:50]  It's very loud.
[01:22:51]  You got to stop.
[01:22:52]  I'm Liz.
[01:22:53]  My name is Brace, and I am about to swat the studio above us.
[01:22:57]  Producer is named Young Chomsky.
[01:22:59]  He is on the SWAT team.
[01:23:01]  And this has been Trudon.
[01:23:02]  We'll see you next time.
[01:23:04]  Bye-bye.