True Anon Truth Feed - Episode 268: Lockup Roundup
Aired: 2023-02-03
Duration: 01:01:16


=== Why We Crave Power (02:48) ===

[00:00:00]  You know what I would be great at?
[00:00:01]  What?
[00:00:02]  The warden.
[00:00:03]  The warden?
[00:00:04]  I'd be a great the warden.
[00:00:05]  That's because you crave power.
[00:00:07]  I do.
[00:00:08]  I love it.
[00:00:09]  But I would be, because I don't want to be one of those guys with the nightsticks walking around across the street.
[00:00:14]  No, you want to be in charge of the guys with the nightsticks.
[00:00:16]  Exactly.
[00:00:17]  I want to be like, listen, I need you to flash a light in these guys' eyes every five minutes.
[00:00:20]  Your dream?
[00:00:21]  Middle management.
[00:00:23]  I would say that's upper.
[00:00:24]  Well, yeah, that is in terms of the entire prison system.
[00:00:27]  That would be middle management.
[00:00:28]  But if you weren't looking at the entire prison system, upper management.
[00:00:33]  Absolutely.
[00:00:34]  Yeah.
[00:00:34]  I feel like the concept of private prisons is they should let you, if you have enough good ideas and private capital, start your own prison.
[00:00:44]  Right.
[00:00:45]  And I'd be great at it.
[00:00:46]  Yeah.
[00:00:47]  One PS3.
[00:00:49]  I'm not telling you guys where it is.
[00:00:50]  You got to find it.
[00:00:52]  I'd make everybody, well, no, well, that gets in some dark territory there.
[00:00:56]  But yeah, I'd just get these guys into shape.
[00:00:58]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:00:59]  Make them do obstacle courses.
[00:01:01]  TikToks.
[00:01:01]  You know, what you could do is actually have a kind of like tactile dome sort of setup where, you know, people have to.
[00:01:10]  You don't know what it is.
[00:01:11]  What's that?
[00:01:12]  Feels fuzzy.
[00:01:13]  Yeah.
[00:01:13]  I think watch that gooey.
[00:01:16]  A good thing, too, also would be like crazy dinosaurs bones and stuff, like in exhibits and shit like that.
[00:01:23]  Like a museum.
[00:01:24]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:01:24]  And like have them learn about that kind of stuff.
[00:01:26]  Sure.
[00:01:26]  Art maybe.
[00:01:27]  Moggliani.
[00:01:29]  Yeah.
[00:01:29]  Up in that bitch.
[00:01:31]  Yeah.
[00:01:32]  And things of that nature.
[00:01:33]  Sure.
[00:01:34]  Kind of educate these guys.
[00:01:35]  That's why they say schools.
[00:01:37]  They're just like prisons.
[00:02:00]  And school is in session, and I'm the headmaster.
[00:02:06]  You know, none of these new characters are working out.
[00:02:08]  The warden, the headmaster.
[00:02:09]  They're not new characters.
[00:02:10]  They're just things you want to do.
[00:02:11]  They are things I want to do.
[00:02:13]  Hello, everyone.
[00:02:13]  I'm Liz.
[00:02:14]  My name is Brace.
[00:02:16]  And of course, we are joined by my personal warden, my personal headmaster, and the Molteneur himself, producer Young Chomsky.
[00:02:24]  And the podcast is called True Anon.
[00:02:26]  Hello, everyone.
[00:02:28]  Hi.
[00:02:30]  You know, we talk a lot on this show about a lot of different things.
[00:02:38]  But rarely do we talk about how right we are.
[00:02:42]  Right-wing we are.
[00:02:42]  Right-wing we are, yes.
[00:02:44]  No, but there's been, there's been, you know, listen, we do a podcast, right?

=== Regulatory Battles Over Water (03:58) ===

[00:02:48]  Wait, what?
[00:02:48]  Yeah, we do a podcast.
[00:02:50]  Fuck.
[00:02:50]  We do it sometimes twice a week.
[00:02:53]  Wow, this is blowing my mind.
[00:02:54]  Yeah, for years at this point.
[00:02:56]  No way.
[00:02:57]  Actual years have gone by in our lives.
[00:02:59]  You don't say.
[00:03:00]  One breath closer to death every time.
[00:03:02]  You know, you learn something new every day.
[00:03:04]  Yeah, you do.
[00:03:05]  And we've been wrong before, right?
[00:03:09]  You know, we don't have to go over those incidents, but we've been wrong.
[00:03:13]  I've been wrong.
[00:03:13]  You've been wrong.
[00:03:14]  Young Chomsky has been wrong a lot of the times, but you guys haven't heard him because we've edited them out.
[00:03:18]  But we've been wrong.
[00:03:20]  But sometimes we've been right.
[00:03:24]  And, you know, we've talked a lot about a lot of different kind of people.
[00:03:29]  That's a podcast brain.
[00:03:30]  That's how you say a sentence when you're a podcaster.
[00:03:33]  On this show.
[00:03:34]  And wouldn't you know it, a lot of those people are in jail.
[00:03:38]  In fact, in prison.
[00:03:40]  And not in some metaphorical prison of the mind.
[00:03:43]  No, like we are.
[00:03:44]  Or like, you know, oh, podcast prison.
[00:03:47]  Like we put them somewhere.
[00:03:48]  No.
[00:03:49]  Like actual prison.
[00:03:50]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:03:51]  And so today.
[00:03:52]  Because they're criminals.
[00:03:53]  Today we are doing a little for the crimes that they've committed that we detailed on the show.
[00:04:01]  That's so fucking true.
[00:04:02]  And in fact, you know what?
[00:04:04]  I'll go ahead and lie a little bit.
[00:04:06]  We actually helped the police.
[00:04:10]  We were really joke.
[00:04:13]  I do.
[00:04:14]  But I have heard from Souses, which I have not used that in a while on this podcast that we've been doing for more than three years.
[00:04:23]  Oh, y'all, so long.
[00:04:26]  That people in regulatory agencies.
[00:04:30]  Uh-huh.
[00:04:31]  Plural.
[00:04:33]  Have listened to this podcast.
[00:04:35]  Okay, well, let me get one thing straight here then.
[00:04:39]  I'm a baby, right?
[00:04:40]  Yes.
[00:04:40]  Suckling on my mother's breast.
[00:04:42]  That's why you wear the diaper.
[00:04:43]  Well, okay, I'm not right now.
[00:04:45]  But I am wearing, I mean, to be clear, I am wearing a diaper right now.
[00:04:49]  I'm not, it's currently breastfeeding.
[00:04:51]  But when I was a baby, actually, I was visibly not breastfed, but imagine that I was.
[00:04:58]  And, you know, that's okay, right?
[00:05:00]  FDA is like all good.
[00:05:02]  Formula is just as good.
[00:05:03]  All good.
[00:05:04]  Let's dispel with it.
[00:05:05]  I wouldn't give them that either.
[00:05:06]  They gave me water.
[00:05:08]  Water baby.
[00:05:09]  I was a water baby.
[00:05:13]  And yet here I am, 33 years old, adult male, fully in charge of my faculties, much like a headmaster.
[00:05:22]  And I can't go down there to the barnyard and pick up one of those udders and squirt it into my fucking mouth because the FDA will send its SWAT team down there and start spraying bullets of death at me.
[00:05:36]  You're talking about raw milk?
[00:05:38]  Raw milk.
[00:05:39]  I'm sorry.
[00:05:39]  No, oh, sorry.
[00:05:40]  Back in my day, we just called that milk.
[00:05:42]  It's called raw milk now.
[00:05:45]  Back in the previous century.
[00:05:46]  Back in the previous century, we just called that milk of the year the 20th of century.
[00:05:57]  And it's just, it just seems a little crazy to me.
[00:05:59]  I take my kids, who, by the way, came out of my testicles.
[00:06:05]  I don't even know what we're talking about anymore.
[00:06:08]  Now I'm talking to whoever is in charge of teaching.
[00:06:10]  And I take them to my house and I don't, okay, I teach them what I want to teach them about how to survive and work and not a lot of math or anything like that.
[00:06:21]  And all of a sudden, bam, SWAT team.
[00:06:26]  So if you are in a regulatory agency and you do listen to this podcast, turn the guns around.
[00:06:31]  Yeah, you got to stop setting up your homeschool in Waco.
[00:06:34]  You got to stop.
[00:06:35]  I'm a walking Waco.
[00:06:37]  Everything that I do is against every, I pollute.
[00:06:41]  Don't quote him on that.
[00:06:43]  I don't pollute.
[00:06:44]  I do pollute.
[00:06:45]  No, I meant the Waco thing.

=== Waco High School Prison Interview (05:10) ===

[00:06:46]  Oh, yeah.
[00:06:47]  Oh, what's yeah.
[00:06:48]  You stay polluting.
[00:06:50]  They wouldn't do it.
[00:06:50]  They already did it.
[00:06:51]  What's the chance?
[00:06:52]  Pollutin and polluting.
[00:06:53]  What's the chance they do two Wacos?
[00:06:55]  You know, it's like lightning doesn't strike you.
[00:06:57]  Waco 2 is a great band name.
[00:06:59]  Yeah.
[00:07:00]  Yeah, absolutely.
[00:07:02]  Anything I love more than a band name that's just someone else's band name and then two.
[00:07:06]  Like Misfits 2.
[00:07:08]  Yeah.
[00:07:08]  Beatles 2.
[00:07:09]  Anyways, if you are in the Bureau of Prisons and you're listening to this.
[00:07:13]  First of all, fuck you.
[00:07:15]  Second of all, you're welcome.
[00:07:19]  Because we've got a couple of year, well, only two of these are in American prisons, but due solely to our podcast, we've got a few criminals in the clink.
[00:07:30]  Yeah.
[00:07:31]  First one, you know her, you love her.
[00:07:34]  Ms. Ghillain Maxwell.
[00:07:39]  Otherwise known as prisoner 02879-509.
[00:07:48]  Which is how I'll be referring to her from now on.
[00:07:50]  Let's see if I can do that.
[00:07:52]  My God.
[00:07:53]  Yeah, I think you can.
[00:07:54]  I mean, it's written right here.
[00:07:55]  02879-509.
[00:07:57]  We know her, you love her.
[00:07:59]  Where is this mistress?
[00:08:02]  She's holed up in the old Gray Bar Hotel down in Tallahassee at the Tallahassee Federal Correction Institute Institution, actually.
[00:08:12]  In Tallahassee, Florida.
[00:08:15]  Her, you know, one of her favorite states, probably.
[00:08:18]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:08:20]  That spot, she had been, remember she asked to go to Connecticut?
[00:08:23]  She wanted to go to the Orange's The New Black Prison.
[00:08:26]  Yes.
[00:08:26]  She didn't get to go there.
[00:08:27]  So now she's down in Tallahassee.
[00:08:29]  I would also prefer Connecticut.
[00:08:33]  There's like 800 female inmates.
[00:08:35]  I got to say, I was looking at the place at the joint.
[00:08:37]  It's pretty nice looking.
[00:08:39]  Yeah, I've seen pictures of it too.
[00:08:41]  Like, it looks like one of those movie high schools.
[00:08:45]  Have you seen?
[00:08:46]  I used to like in 10 Things I Hate About You, you know how it's like that big, I think it was supposed to be in Seattle.
[00:08:53]  It was like a big high school, but they're like very like nice looking.
[00:08:56]  They're a brick, or like in Greece, you know, like very classic American big high school buildings.
[00:09:02]  No, no, what I'm talking about.
[00:09:03]  Never seen either of those.
[00:09:04]  Jesus.
[00:09:06]  I did go to, I did think that's what you were saying at first, but I did go to Greenwich.
[00:09:09]  No, in movies.
[00:09:10]  I just said movies.
[00:09:11]  Well, I, I mean, how much would I read movies?
[00:09:14]  My high school was entirely, well, they switched us the second year, but my high school was, you know, those like those like trailers they set up.
[00:09:22]  I'm talking about what I see in the movies.
[00:09:23]  My entire high school is in the temporary building.
[00:09:25]  I'm saying, like, I used to watch those movies and be like, wow, I wish I could go to one of those high schools that looks like so normal.
[00:09:31]  And go like, all those people are so happy.
[00:09:33]  I'm like, me, a little depressed, emo kid.
[00:09:36]  That is kind of the vibe I get, although I do not want to be in ladies' prison.
[00:09:40]  So things have changed.
[00:09:41]  I will say, part of the reason Ghillain's in there is due to her visiting too many high schools.
[00:09:45]  Yeah.
[00:09:47]  Yeah, I know.
[00:09:48]  She's in minimum security, I believe.
[00:09:50]  Yeah, she's serving out her 20-year sentence.
[00:09:53]  She seems to be doing okay.
[00:09:54]  She gave an interview for her first video interview, which we'll talk about.
[00:09:59]  But before we get to that, she's been biding her time in prison as prisoners do teaching classes.
[00:10:07]  She is, by the way, jacked now.
[00:10:10]  She's like 250 pounds.
[00:10:12]  She's just eating uncooked ramen, fucking beans out of the can.
[00:10:17]  She's one of the biggest fentanyl dealers in prison now.
[00:10:21]  No, but no, she's been teaching.
[00:10:22]  She has been teaching.
[00:10:23]  She's teaching a bunch of classes and like working in the library, very classic prisoner activities.
[00:10:28]  Yes.
[00:10:29]  This is a quote taught by Ms. Maxwell, because she's a Ms., let's remind her.
[00:10:36]  This course teaches the three principles of etiquette.
[00:10:39]  She's teaching etiquette classes.
[00:10:41]  Yeah.
[00:10:42]  Focusing on respect, consideration, and honesty.
[00:10:46]  Definitely three things that Ghillaine Maxwell can teach us.
[00:10:50]  Apparently, she's teaching inmates how to, quote, maintain high moral standards.
[00:10:57]  And as part of her etiquette classes, everyone's going to love this.
[00:11:01]  Ms. Maxwell reportedly teaches feminism, holding up her former friend, Hillary Clinton, as an example.
[00:11:09]  Interesting.
[00:11:10]  Apparently, she's also teaching yoga.
[00:11:13]  Huh?
[00:11:14]  I don't know if I, I mean, I guess I would.
[00:11:16]  I doubt that she's had teacher training, proper teacher training.
[00:11:19]  Oh, really?
[00:11:20]  But I mean, if you take enough class in anything, you pretty much teach it.
[00:11:23]  No.
[00:11:24]  Yoga?
[00:11:25]  No.
[00:11:25]  Kundalini?
[00:11:26]  Nothing like that?
[00:11:27]  Yeah, so I like that.
[00:11:28]  The reason that Young Chompsy is laughing there is because whenever anyone says anything's flexible in front of me, I just say the word kundalini.
[00:11:34]  You really like saying kundalini.
[00:11:36]  It's kundalini.
[00:11:36]  It's kundalini.
[00:11:37]  No, it's kundalini.
[00:11:39]  It sounds kind of erotically charged.
[00:11:41]  I think that you would benefit from yoga.
[00:11:44]  I don't know.
[00:11:45]  Flexibility.
[00:11:46]  It's a secret to aging gracefully.
[00:11:48]  Guys, being flexible.
[00:11:50]  It's good for your joints.
[00:11:51]  Yeah.
[00:11:52]  It's true.
[00:11:53]  Yeah, so is raw milk baths.
[00:11:55]  I've taken yoga before.

=== Talk TV Frolics (15:30) ===

[00:11:56]  Didn't love it.
[00:11:58]  Wasn't for me.
[00:11:59]  But maybe I'll try it again.
[00:12:01]  But yeah, she has been on camera interviewed now.
[00:12:05]  Yeah.
[00:12:06]  She gave a prison interview, which I love saying.
[00:12:09]  It's always great when you hear the word prison interview.
[00:12:11]  Just on January 23rd, just a couple weeks ago or a week ago, for Talk TV, which is a network I've never heard of, but I swear to God, like every British and Europe and like European network has a name like Sky TV, Talk TV.
[00:12:29]  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:12:30]  Talk TV.
[00:12:32]  She, I will say, she looks awful.
[00:12:36]  Yeah, she doesn't look great.
[00:12:37]  And she's in front of this kind of bizarre mural.
[00:12:40]  Well, it's not bizarre, but it's a mural of like a garden scene, and there's like a, there's like a deer behind him and stuff like that.
[00:12:49]  I'm assuming that's the prisoner's painting.
[00:12:51]  The prisoner, the prisoner's, what it looks like is that somebody did go to like the phone-to-phone glass thing between them or whatever, you know, visitor center, maybe no glass thing, and then just like held, well, I guess with a phone, there must be.
[00:13:03]  And then like held up a camera.
[00:13:05]  Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally.
[00:13:07]  The lighting is awful.
[00:13:08]  The lighting's awful.
[00:13:09]  Her face looks huge.
[00:13:10]  Yeah.
[00:13:11]  And I would say if I'm doing my first in-person or rather televised jail interview, bring a ring light.
[00:13:18]  You know, it doesn't seem like she had, I mean, if you're doing this for Talk TV, I don't know if she had, she was like exactly turning down 60 minutes.
[00:13:26]  You know what I'm saying?
[00:13:27]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:13:28]  It might be that no one wants to hear from Ms. Gillene Maxwell, which might be the hardest part for Gillene of all of it.
[00:13:36]  Well, I do think that the interview, I mean, what were your, because it's about an hour long, although I will say it's actually not an hour long.
[00:13:42]  No, it's just the guy from Talk TV talking.
[00:13:44]  The guy from Talk TV talks for an hour, and there's probably about 20 minutes on the show.
[00:13:48]  Also, he was like classic British newscaster face.
[00:13:54]  British newscasters are a different breed.
[00:13:55]  Yeah, they're crazy.
[00:13:56]  I would say a sub-breed.
[00:13:58]  I will say he does seem, you know, and don't read into this too much, subhuman.
[00:14:08]  Okay?
[00:14:09]  Not like he's like bad or should be killed or something.
[00:14:12]  I'm just saying he seems like something that's like less than a human being.
[00:14:15]  Yeah.
[00:14:16]  You know?
[00:14:16]  But still technically human.
[00:14:19]  Yeah.
[00:14:20]  Well, Angolos do descend from orcs.
[00:14:23]  Yeah, he does seem orcish.
[00:14:24]  Yeah.
[00:14:25]  But yeah, there's a few interesting things.
[00:14:31]  Yeah, she still maintains that the infamous photo of her, and this will be very important in a second, that infamous photo of her with Virginia and Prince Andrew.
[00:14:41]  Everyone knows what I'm talking about.
[00:14:44]  She still maintains that it's fake.
[00:14:46]  Yes.
[00:14:47]  And she said, I don't believe it's real for a second.
[00:14:51]  Yeah.
[00:14:53]  And there's some rumors percolating that Andrew is trying to get the settlement with Virginia overturned.
[00:14:58]  Yeah, so famously, we talked about this just a couple episodes ago.
[00:15:03]  Andrew settled with Virginia Jeffrey for somewhere.
[00:15:07]  I mean, it's reported differently in different places because who knows how much lawyers, you know, blah, blah, blah get.
[00:15:13]  Somewhere between 3 million and 14 million pounds.
[00:15:16]  I was going to say, I think that's probably towards the higher side on that.
[00:15:21]  And then acknowledge that something had happened to her without taking responsibility.
[00:15:28]  Right.
[00:15:28]  Like a very lawyerly, like they were in negotiations, lawyers to lawyer negotiations for a long time, like for several weeks on the actual wording of the apology or not apology, but of the acknowledgement that something had happened.
[00:15:42]  And now Andrew's team seems to be spinning this up, or Royal, the Royals seem to be spinning this up, that maybe he was too hasty.
[00:15:53]  Yes.
[00:15:54]  Well, there are other rumors that Virginia secured a book deal, which would be contra, I believe, a bit of a gag order that was negotiated as part of the settlement.
[00:16:09]  But it would have been, it's unclear, like maybe there's some dynamics there that if she has a memoir coming out that would maybe violate some of the terms of the deal or what's happening.
[00:16:23]  Well, a couple things with that.
[00:16:25]  One is that I had read, obviously not privy to the deal, right?
[00:16:31]  But I had read that it was maybe only like a year-long gag order and that could be expiring soon and that was like the, or I mean, that would be expiring this spring.
[00:16:43]  And that's why.
[00:16:44]  So maybe that's timed with maybe the memoir being announced or something.
[00:16:47]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:16:48]  But I think a big part of this push comes from the fact that Dershowitz was able to basically get out of the lawsuit with Virginia Jeffrey and essentially have her recant.
[00:17:07]  God tough.
[00:17:08]  Speaking of orcs.
[00:17:09]  Yeah.
[00:17:09]  Oh my God.
[00:17:10]  When is that motherfucker going to die?
[00:17:11]  I don't know, but it's not, and I guarantee he's going to live to be 400 years old.
[00:17:16]  He's just a big old fat toad.
[00:17:18]  Yeah.
[00:17:19]  Very toad-like, yes.
[00:17:22]  But that seemed to have emboldened Andrew's team because it sort of showed that, like, okay, there are some cracks here.
[00:17:29]  And I do hate an emboldened prince.
[00:17:32]  I do hate an emboldened prince.
[00:17:33]  And Dershowitz now advising, apparently, in an unofficial, although who knows what that means, capacity, Prince Andrew, and is telling him to fight back, basically.
[00:17:46]  I don't think that you can Be like, hey, actually, just kidding.
[00:17:53]  Yeah, I don't really know how that works.
[00:17:54]  Although, you know, the British legal system, very weird.
[00:17:58]  Very famously wiggish.
[00:17:59]  Very weird.
[00:18:01]  But, I mean, yeah, I don't know.
[00:18:03]  I don't know exactly what's going to happen here.
[00:18:07]  But it does look like they're saying this is fake.
[00:18:09]  There is also no original of the photograph that has been produced, which seems to be like part of the part of the push to say that it's fake.
[00:18:18]  Like, oh, well, we'll bring me the original.
[00:18:20]  I mean, God knows if I know where it is, but Virginia Jeffrey, I believe, has said in the past that like, you know, she had scanned it at one point.
[00:18:27]  She just like doesn't have it anymore.
[00:18:29]  Well, before we get to why that photograph is so is back in the news, I do want to just add a couple more things from the interview and what's up with Ghillane, which is she had a great quote about Epstein in the interview when she said, I didn't know he was so awful.
[00:18:45]  Which I thought was great.
[00:18:47]  I mean, I'm adding my own color there.
[00:18:48]  But who wants to sit through talk TV when you could just listen to us, folks?
[00:18:53]  I didn't know he was so awful.
[00:18:55]  I mean, obviously now, looking back with hindsight, of course.
[00:18:59]  But at the time, I mean, he had lots of friends.
[00:19:02]  There was no reason to imagine that he was someone who was capable of evil, which is always a great excuse.
[00:19:07]  You meet someone who's popular.
[00:19:10]  They can't be bad.
[00:19:11]  My thing is, I'm like, well, didn't she do a lot of that with him?
[00:19:15]  Yeah, of course.
[00:19:16]  What evil acts that he did that you weren't there for?
[00:19:19]  No.
[00:19:20]  She's got some cool friends in the clink, I got to say.
[00:19:23]  Who else is?
[00:19:24]  She's got, she's hanging out with, and this is all alleged, but this woman, Linda Morrow, who was found guilty of a $44 million insurance fraud scheme who tried to escape the feds in Israel.
[00:19:40]  Ghillaine should have done that.
[00:19:41]  Yeah.
[00:19:42]  So maybe they got a lot of talk about it.
[00:19:43]  There's another woman in there, which I just had to add this because this is really, this is not, her name's Narcy.
[00:19:52]  Listen, you know, I don't want to be like a whatever guy.
[00:19:55]  Narcy?
[00:19:56]  I don't want to, yeah, again, I don't want to be a whatever guy, but like, fellas, if you're on Bumble and you scroll across a woman named Narcy, just fucking keep it moving.
[00:20:11]  Keep it moving, brother.
[00:20:12]  Narcy Novak.
[00:20:14]  I'm not fucking with no Narcy's.
[00:20:16]  Narcy.
[00:20:16]  Narcy.
[00:20:18]  Oh, my God.
[00:20:19]  What'd she do?
[00:20:20]  Oh, she hired a hitman to murder her husband and mother-in-law, which, one, pretty badass.
[00:20:26]  Also, scary, crazy.
[00:20:28]  Classic.
[00:20:28]  How do you do that?
[00:20:29]  Kill your mother-in-law?
[00:20:30]  Classic Narcy.
[00:20:31]  Also, I got to say, my married man out there knows be like, this is my baby, Narcy.
[00:20:36]  Narcy.
[00:20:37]  Come meet my baby daughter.
[00:20:38]  That's crazy that people name her kid Greg and shit.
[00:20:41]  No disrespect, Greg, if you're listening to this.
[00:20:44]  Okay, let's talk about the photo because the reason that this is funny that Ghillane brought this up in this talk TV interview is that this past weekend, the cover of the Daily Telegraph, our favorite arch conservative tabloid newspaper in Britain, which has a sea of them.
[00:21:08]  Which, by the way, every British newspaper sounds like the name of the template you'd get on like Canva or like something like that to make a fake newspaper.
[00:21:18]  Yeah, yeah, for your Superman fanfic.
[00:21:21]  Exactly.
[00:21:22]  Is it Superman?
[00:21:22]  No, Spider-Man.
[00:21:23]  Oh, they're newspapers in both of them.
[00:21:25]  Yeah, they both have.
[00:21:26]  Wait, were they both the Daily Planet or is that just Superman?
[00:21:29]  That's beyond my pay grade.
[00:21:30]  I don't know.
[00:21:31]  Come on, man.
[00:21:32]  No, I don't know.
[00:21:34]  That's Superman.
[00:21:35]  Daily Planet, Superman.
[00:21:37]  Spider-Man had the guy who was always mad at him.
[00:21:40]  J.J. Jameson.
[00:21:41]  J.J. Jameson.
[00:21:42]  Superman and Spider-Man are different comic universes.
[00:21:44]  Definitely different guys.
[00:21:45]  I don't know if they live in the same universe.
[00:21:48]  Well, when's DC and when's Marvel?
[00:21:50]  Okay, that would be a different universe.
[00:21:51]  I can't believe that I'm explaining this to you guys.
[00:21:53]  Not a comic guy.
[00:21:54]  Not a comic guy.
[00:21:55]  Yeah, I don't know.
[00:21:56]  Neither am I. Obviously, more than the Daily Telegraph cover the photo that, quote, clears Duke over bath sex with the then subtitle, subheadline, Maxwell family claims, quote, frolicking could not happen because there was not enough room.
[00:22:20]  So can you explain this?
[00:22:22]  I'll describe this photograph to you.
[00:22:25]  And I, again, I mean, I guess we'll probably use some form of this as the episode image, but like you really need to see the full photograph to truly believe what happened here.
[00:22:34]  It appears that Ghillane Maxwell's brother had two people, one of whom is dressed in a sweatsuit, looks like maybe?
[00:22:42]  Yes, but he has a clearly, so I thought it was just a white sweatsuit.
[00:22:46]  I think it's white Ginos.
[00:22:48]  Yeah, a white sweater and a blue Czech Oxford underneath.
[00:22:53]  Interesting.
[00:22:54]  Oh, wow.
[00:22:55]  Like at first, I thought it was just like a sweatsuit, but it's not.
[00:22:59]  So that actually might be one of Ghillane Maxwell's brothers himself there.
[00:23:03]  He is sort of reclined on one end of the bathtub with his knees up.
[00:23:10]  Akimbo.
[00:23:10]  Akimbo.
[00:23:11]  And his palms resting sort of on the side of his knees.
[00:23:16]  He looks like he's about to give birth.
[00:23:18]  Looks like he's.
[00:23:18]  Yeah, he is in the birthing position.
[00:23:20]  He is in the birthing position.
[00:23:22]  Wearing a piece of paper with a sort of stern-faced looking Prince Andrew's face printed out on it.
[00:23:29]  Now, yeah.
[00:23:32]  Sitting across.
[00:23:33]  He looks almost like he's in a fencing outfit.
[00:23:36]  It does look rather fun.
[00:23:37]  Because of also the kind of effect of the Face masks, like the printed face on the Xerox paper and then tied, you know, behind his head or whatever.
[00:23:48]  Yeah.
[00:23:49]  Is that it looks almost like the fencing mask.
[00:23:52]  Yeah.
[00:23:53]  Opposite him.
[00:23:55]  In the bathtub.
[00:23:56]  In the bathtub is, and I actually can't tell if this is a man or a woman.
[00:24:01]  This looks to me to be a woman.
[00:24:03]  Interesting.
[00:24:04]  I would say mannish forearms, but perhaps a womanly aura that I can't detect.
[00:24:08]  I would say an older woman.
[00:24:10]  Oh, yeah, okay.
[00:24:11]  Well, sitting sort of knees, not fully to the chest, but drawn towards the chest.
[00:24:18]  Yes.
[00:24:18]  With a little camper style.
[00:24:20]  Camper style.
[00:24:21]  Hands holding those knees locked into position, crossing each other.
[00:24:26]  Apple watch on.
[00:24:26]  Apple watch on.
[00:24:28]  And sort of, oh, yeah, wait, this is definitely a woman.
[00:24:32]  Kind of head a little bit forward and wearing a printout picture of Virginia Jeffrey, I believe when she was 14, 15 years old with Prince Andrew, sitting across from the other model.
[00:24:52]  Yes.
[00:24:53]  So the point of this was to prove two different things.
[00:24:58]  A, that the bathtub is different than how Virginia described it.
[00:25:03]  And B, that it would be physically impossible for two people to engage in sexual acts within the confines of this space, as Virginia alleged.
[00:25:15]  Do you think that this photograph, Liz, would disabuse you of the idea that two people could engage in some form of sexual contact?
[00:25:31]  So I think that, in order to answer, you know, like, I think that unfortunately this photo suffers from the classic problem where one's attempt to exonerate themselves only begets more questions.
[00:25:48]  This is the classic my t-shirt saying that I'm not, what is it?
[00:25:52]  I'm not involved in sex trafficking.
[00:25:54]  Has a lot of people asking me.
[00:25:55]  Or really, this is like when you, when you kill a guy and another guy sees it, and then you got to kill that guy, and then he turns out he's on the phone, and the guy he's on the phone with is a president.
[00:26:06]  What?
[00:26:06]  That's how JFK was killed.
[00:26:08]  I'm just saying that right now I'm looking at this photo and I'm going, well, first of all, this is absolutely ridiculous.
[00:26:13]  But second of all, I need to know, I need an oral history of the taking of this photo.
[00:26:19]  I need to know who decided this was great.
[00:26:20]  I need to know like a good idea.
[00:26:23]  What were the discussions in the room?
[00:26:25]  Who was involved?
[00:26:26]  Who was like, I don't know if we should do that.
[00:26:28]  Who was like, we can get it on the cover of the Daily Telegraph.
[00:26:31]  Who was like setting it up?
[00:26:33]  What time?
[00:26:34]  Where?
[00:26:34]  How would the coordination happen?
[00:26:36]  Who printed out the photos?
[00:26:38]  Did someone say you should wear all white because then you'll blend in to the bathtub?
[00:26:43]  It does seem though.
[00:26:44]  These are all questions I have.
[00:26:45]  White was a deliberate decision because these are just not a matching outfit exactly.
[00:26:49]  Now, in the background of the photo, there are also, I also have questions.
[00:26:55]  What is this gallery wall that I'm seeing above the sink?
[00:26:58]  Too many pictures.
[00:26:59]  Well, how many photos?
[00:27:00]  What are these photos?
[00:27:02]  Where am I?
[00:27:03]  What's happening here?
[00:27:05]  It is sort of astounding in the fact that, like, there's not a soul on earth who would see this picture of these two people who fit in a bathtub and be like, well, that clears that up.
[00:27:18]  Yeah, no, it's absurd.
[00:27:19]  It's absolutely absurd.
[00:27:20]  It's like, who came up with this?
[00:27:22]  And you know what I got to know?
[00:27:23]  Maxwell Brothers.
[00:27:24]  Dershowitz.
[00:27:25]  You think it's Dershowitz?

=== Greta's Pizza Box Theory (15:33) ===

[00:27:27]  Only something this absurd could come out of that man's brain.
[00:27:31]  Yeah, it is pretty false.
[00:27:33]  The man who wrote crazy, if I did it.
[00:27:36]  If I did it.
[00:27:38]  So you've been falsely accused.
[00:27:39]  So you've been false.
[00:27:40]  The man who came out after he's been in the middle of being Me Too'd after the arrest of Jeffrey Epstein with a book called So You've Been Falsely Accused.
[00:27:51]  But he got out of it.
[00:27:53]  I know.
[00:27:54]  He got out of it.
[00:27:55]  He's a little wiggly worm.
[00:27:57]  Yeah, it's a pretty incredible photo.
[00:27:59]  And I will say, true little true non tip: don't do this.
[00:28:02]  Yeah, don't do this.
[00:28:03]  Don't do this.
[00:28:04]  But if my enemy, if you're listening, please continue to do this.
[00:28:08]  Do this, so moving on across Europe from one end to the other because yes England, you are part of Europe spiritually,
[00:28:37]  which means that I don't like you.
[00:28:40]  But moving on from one end of Europe to the other, we take a little choo-choo train all the way to Romania.
[00:28:46]  Ah.
[00:28:48]  Have you ever been to Romania?
[00:28:49]  I've been to Moldova, which is kind of like Romania.
[00:28:54]  Okay.
[00:28:54]  It's like the I don't know.
[00:28:58]  It's kind of the Baja California to Romania's California.
[00:29:02]  I love that.
[00:29:02]  Yeah.
[00:29:03]  Okay.
[00:29:04]  I liked it.
[00:29:04]  I had the best cup of coffee of my life in Moldova.
[00:29:06]  No shit.
[00:29:06]  Yeah, it was really good.
[00:29:07]  Interesting.
[00:29:10]  Can you read this quote from me?
[00:29:12]  Yes.
[00:29:12]  I'm not going to do a voice, though.
[00:29:14]  Can you do a voice for me?
[00:29:17]  Okay.
[00:29:19]  You can do any voice you want.
[00:29:21]  I'm just going to do a, I'm just going to read it straight.
[00:29:23]  First, they delete you.
[00:29:25]  Then after that, there are imaginary charges and send you to jail.
[00:29:31]  And the third is put a bullet in your head.
[00:29:35]  I've kind of used up one of my lives.
[00:29:38]  So when they were contacting and calling all of these people, it's like they were trying to drum up some charges on me.
[00:29:44]  They're trying to find a reason to send me to jail.
[00:29:49]  Can I do it in my accent?
[00:29:51]  First I delete.
[00:29:53]  Fuck.
[00:29:54]  Wait, I'm trying to do this without, I really need your support on this audience.
[00:29:57]  I'm not making fun of people who have developmental disabilities when I do this voice.
[00:30:02]  I want to be clear on that.
[00:30:04]  I'm trying to do an impression of Andrew Tate in his bizarre English American accent.
[00:30:10]  So give me some fucking slack on this.
[00:30:13]  First, I delete you.
[00:30:15]  No, fuck, I can't get it right.
[00:30:16]  First, I delete you.
[00:30:19]  After, wait, okay.
[00:30:21]  Listen, I really need some slack on this.
[00:30:23]  And then after the imaginary charges and shut.
[00:30:27]  Okay, I can't do this without.
[00:30:28]  I'm sorry.
[00:30:29]  I went to, just to be clear here, like, I went to like a school where there's a lot of it's okay for me to do that, but I'm not going to finish reading the quote just in case.
[00:30:41]  All right, all right, all right, all right.
[00:30:43]  Andrew Tate, yeah.
[00:30:44]  Let's talk about what happened.
[00:30:46]  Give our listeners, let's like little backsepsies.
[00:30:50]  Little beep, beep, beep, beep.
[00:30:52]  I want to plant a little flag in the ground here, right?
[00:30:54]  Put a little helmet on the head.
[00:30:56]  What kind of flag?
[00:30:57]  Romanian.
[00:30:58]  Actually, no, a truanatian flag, actually, which is coincidentally the same thing as a Romanian flag.
[00:31:04]  We have been on the tape beat for quite a long time.
[00:31:10]  Since before people even knew who we were talking about.
[00:31:12]  One of our very first episodes, I mentioned that Jordan Peterson's daughter, Michaela Peterson, her all-beef diet apparently extended to Andrew Tate's penis.
[00:31:26]  And, you know, I described him as a, I believe, a human trafficker.
[00:31:32]  Yes.
[00:31:32]  And Cam Girl Warehouses, I believe, is what we talked about.
[00:31:36]  Oh, yeah.
[00:31:37]  And look at this.
[00:31:38]  2023.
[00:31:40]  He's in prison.
[00:31:41]  So let's go back.
[00:31:42]  No one wants to give Greta credit.
[00:31:44]  They're always giving it to these kids.
[00:31:45]  How about this?
[00:31:46]  Give us some credit.
[00:31:48]  Yeah.
[00:31:48]  Give us some credit.
[00:31:50]  I'm not too proud to take shine away from a child.
[00:31:53]  No, well, she's an adult now.
[00:31:55]  Is she?
[00:31:56]  Oh, yeah.
[00:31:57]  She's an adult.
[00:31:58]  So yeah, I'm definitely can take the shine away from her.
[00:32:01]  Greta didn't do shit.
[00:32:02]  All right.
[00:32:03]  It was me.
[00:32:03]  I've been in touch with Romanian authorities since day one.
[00:32:06]  All right.
[00:32:07]  All right.
[00:32:07]  Back in April 2022, the police, this is in Romania, by the way.
[00:32:11]  Andrew Tate and his brother Tristan Tate live in Romania.
[00:32:16]  Police raid their house and another property that they own.
[00:32:20]  This is apparently due to a tip-off from the US embassy in Romania.
[00:32:26]  So Tate, there was a lot of, like, there wasn't really any, I think, like, there might have been one or two, but there wasn't a lot of statements forthcoming from the Romanian police during this period.
[00:32:36]  So we found that he was rated on questions of human trafficking, but the police never came out and like gave a bunch of follow-ups or anything.
[00:32:43]  So Andrew was out there.
[00:32:45]  You know, he was going on all kinds of like podcasts and on Tucker Carlson where Tucker compared.
[00:32:53]  Andrew Tate's investigation, the investigation into Andrew Tate and human trafficking to Julian Assange.
[00:33:00]  You know, everyone wants to be a good troll.
[00:33:03]  They want to be a little troll.
[00:33:05]  They think, oh, look at me, I'm trolling online.
[00:33:07]  You can't do it as good as Tucker.
[00:33:08]  No, that's a fucking great troll.
[00:33:11]  That's a great troll, right?
[00:33:13]  But Tate's excuse at the time, which seems to be accepted by most people, is that this was a case of what he called swatting by the jealous boyfriend of a girl who had been at a party at Andrew Tate's house.
[00:33:28]  So his, because I remember reading about this and actually watching an interview with him where he sort of described it.
[00:33:34]  And the story that he basically lands on is that there was a girl who was in Romania for whatever reason.
[00:33:42]  Interesting.
[00:33:43]  And at Andrew Tate's house, I was posting Instagram stories there.
[00:33:47]  And her boyfriend back in the USA saw those stories and then contacted the embassy and they called the police.
[00:33:57]  It seems a little much for me.
[00:34:00]  But that was the story and that was what was commonly accepted by people.
[00:34:05]  However, that 2022, that April raid, rather, that did have the Romanian police that saw the Romanian police rather taking a bunch of documents and what might be termed evidence from some property owned by the Tate brothers.
[00:34:22]  Meanwhile, as I'm sure many of you recall, 2022, especially the latter half, saw Andrew Tate's rise to extreme internet stardom.
[00:34:32]  Yeah.
[00:34:32]  You know?
[00:34:33]  Yeah, everyone, no one could stop doing podcast episodes about Hustler Academy.
[00:34:38]  Yeah, we did one.
[00:34:40]  I took Hustler Academy.
[00:34:41]  We kind of, it was like sort of about it, but not.
[00:34:43]  It was just about being red-pilled.
[00:34:45]  And I am, unfortunately, I got to tell you, after watching a lot of that stuff, I'm pretty red-pilled.
[00:34:50]  That's how they get you.
[00:34:51]  You know that the pill he takes in Total Rico?
[00:34:53]  Also red-pill.
[00:34:54]  No one can be more red-pilled than me.
[00:34:58]  Anyways, he's reinstated onto Twitter when Elon takes over, right?
[00:35:02]  Tensionally, I feel like... So fucking stupid.
[00:35:04]  I know.
[00:35:05]  I feel like attention around him kind of starts like evening out at that point.
[00:35:09]  Like, I mean, he's still obviously very popular.
[00:35:11]  But the moment has moved past him.
[00:35:13]  He can only write so many stories, right?
[00:35:17]  On December 27th of last year, so basically a month ago, he out of the blue tweets at Greta Thunberg.
[00:35:27]  Which can I say something about Greta really quick?
[00:35:29]  I feel like she, much like Tobi Gevinson, who I've talked about on the podcast before, of course, suffer from this thing where they're just both going to look like children for the rest of their lives.
[00:35:42]  Does Tavi Gevinson look like a child?
[00:35:44]  Yes.
[00:35:45]  And I wonder if it's something that we like, it's like a child actor thing, too, where Macaulay Colkin was always going to be a baby for the rest of his life.
[00:35:53]  You know what I mean?
[00:35:54]  It's like a child actor thing.
[00:35:56]  Macaulay Culkin does look like, but Macaulay Culkin looks like a baby who is breastfed with pure heroin.
[00:36:01]  It's like the image of them as a kid is so burned in our brain that we associate.
[00:36:05]  Anytime we see it just them now, we just associate.
[00:36:08]  Yeah, totally.
[00:36:09]  Okay, yeah, yeah.
[00:36:10]  So, Greta, I'm sorry.
[00:36:11]  Maybe dye your hair.
[00:36:12]  Get a wig.
[00:36:12]  Get a wig?
[00:36:13]  I think Greta, if you're listening to the girl.
[00:36:15]  No, not a wig.
[00:36:16]  How about just this?
[00:36:16]  Bangs.
[00:36:17]  Dreads.
[00:36:18]  Okay, we go with your wigs.
[00:36:19]  We're going with dreads.
[00:36:20]  Greta, you need to get fucking dreads.
[00:36:23]  She should get dreads and go like crazy, like ecoterrous.
[00:36:27]  Yeah.
[00:36:27]  And then turfbangs.
[00:36:30]  You need to be when she flips.
[00:36:32]  I want you to look like that one guy from Children of Men.
[00:36:35]  Or remember in the Matrix, the crazy.
[00:36:40]  I never saw that, but that definitely did impress itself on me.
[00:36:43]  They definitely had dreads.
[00:36:44]  Anyways, he says to her, do you want to read this or should I?
[00:36:50]  Might lose some listeners if I read this.
[00:36:52]  Oh, okay.
[00:36:53]  I can do it.
[00:36:55]  Ah, freak cars.
[00:36:56]  Okay, you got to do it.
[00:36:57]  I think you should do it.
[00:37:00]  Sorry.
[00:37:01]  Andrew Tate possibly has the worst accent in human history, and so it's really difficult for me to do it.
[00:37:09]  I've turned the car.
[00:37:11]  My Bugatti has a W16 8.0 L quad turbo.
[00:37:18]  My two Ferrari 812 competition have 6.5 L V12s.
[00:37:25]  This is just a start.
[00:37:28]  Please provide your email address so I can send a complete list of my car collection and their respective enormous emissions.
[00:37:36]  Okay, that is an Andrew Tate's accent, but that's as close as I can approach.
[00:37:39]  All right, well, Greta claps back.
[00:37:41]  Okay.
[00:37:42]  Which sounds like the name of a movie.
[00:37:44]  Greta Collaps Back.
[00:37:45]  At Andrew Tate, basically telling him, like, oh, you should email me at smalldickenergy at getalife.com, which everyone is like, oh, my God!
[00:37:59]  It's like, that hasn't been a hit for like months.
[00:38:02]  It's like a little like a little late to the game on that.
[00:38:08]  My one piece of knowledge that feels like I have to express it every time I hear any kind of dick energy is put out there.
[00:38:19]  Big dick energy was a term coined by a member of the group Party for Socialism and Liberation in reference to Pete Davidson.
[00:38:30]  That person wasn't to the show.
[00:38:32]  Well, shout out to you for inventing that then.
[00:38:35]  I just saw that Lotto is going to be on The Bachelor, so let's just leave it at that.
[00:38:40]  Don't know what that means.
[00:38:42]  So anyways, the next day, actually later that same day, Andrew Tate, did you see the video that he made, Liz, clapping back himself?
[00:38:52]  Yeah, with the pizza boxes?
[00:38:54]  It's a rough.
[00:38:55]  Here's my thing.
[00:38:55]  I'm like, if you're a guy, you shouldn't be wearing a kimono unless you are a clinically obese, very jolly, kind of, or like, I don't know how to describe it.
[00:39:08]  In my head, it's like a 65-year-old dissolute gay man with a open kimono and maybe a necklace.
[00:39:18]  So it's sort of combining like the classical producer Jew with like the sting?
[00:39:25]  With sting.
[00:39:27]  I don't know.
[00:39:28]  Like a new age.
[00:39:28]  You need like a creepy, creepy kind of, but like well-intentioned older new age gentleman.
[00:39:34]  Yes, yeah, yeah.
[00:39:35]  Like maybe you've got some wood, a wood bead necklace that you got in Bali on your kundalini retreat.
[00:39:43]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:39:44]  I would also add that any cool Japanese guy can wear a kimono.
[00:39:50]  Again, yeah, if you're Japanese, all good.
[00:39:52]  But I'm saying if you wear a kimono as like a white guy, you really need to have the full, you know, I got to be honest, actually, maybe Andrew Tate can wear a kimono because he is kind of.
[00:40:03]  No way.
[00:40:04]  Yeah, okay.
[00:40:06]  Yeah, okay.
[00:40:06]  Well, he, nevertheless, he's wearing.
[00:40:08]  How tall is Andrew Tate?
[00:40:09]  He's 4'3.
[00:40:11]  He looks like a small man.
[00:40:12]  No, I think he's about – He has the energy of like a short guy.
[00:40:16]  Are you saying he has small dick energy?
[00:40:18]  I didn't say anything about that.
[00:40:20]  I would say, I would say he's probably, he's sub-six.
[00:40:24]  He's sub-six.
[00:40:25]  Yeah, it just feels very like...
[00:40:30]  He's 6'3?
[00:40:31]  Yeah.
[00:40:32]  That's fake.
[00:40:32]  That's online.
[00:40:33]  That's fake.
[00:40:33]  That's fake.
[00:40:34]  I got it.
[00:40:35]  No, but he was a professional fighter, so maybe that is real, actually.
[00:40:38]  Anyway.
[00:40:38]  Anyways.
[00:40:40]  He makes a really whack video.
[00:40:42]  And he's handed a pizza box, which does mean that he is a sex trafficker.
[00:40:47]  And that next day, the Romanian directorate – you never want a directorate involved in your life.
[00:40:53]  The Romanian Directorate for Investigating Organized Crime and Terrorism detain Andrew and Tristan Tate, plus two Romanian women, Luanna Rada and Georgiana Nage.
[00:41:07]  I actually have no idea how to pronounce it, but it's spelled N-A-G-H-E.
[00:41:13]  Romanians got like all kinds of little dips and dupes above the fucking letters.
[00:41:17]  And so like, listen, if I pronounce something wrong, you know what?
[00:41:19]  Don't.
[00:41:20]  It doesn't matter.
[00:41:20]  You can pronounce it anyway.
[00:41:21]  It's a name, exactly.
[00:41:24]  On charges of human trafficking and one person of those four on suspicion of rape.
[00:41:34]  So lots and lots of misinformation, disinformation researchers who also dislike Andrew Tate spend the next day being like, oh, great, he got arrested because he did the clapback video and there's a pizza box in there and the pizza box says it's a Romanian.
[00:41:47]  Yeah, I saw those.
[00:41:48]  It's like, dude, how do you think people get in the country?
[00:41:50]  They fucking stamp their passports.
[00:41:52]  So like, yes, he got arrested probably because the Romanians knew he was in Romania because he came into the borders of Romania.
[00:42:00]  No, it was the pizza box.
[00:42:02]  It was a pizza box.
[00:42:03]  So on Saturday, that Saturday, Romanian authorities really just like descend on his compounds and take all those Bugattis and the fucking car.
[00:42:14]  I think they get about 15 sports cars, a bunch of luxury watches, a bunch of money in different currencies.
[00:42:22]  Amounts to about $3.9 million worth of stuff that they grab.
[00:42:28]  The next day, December 30th, that 24-hour hold he was on initially, that all four of them were on, extended to 30 days and has now been extended another 30 until February 27th.
[00:42:39]  Love it.
[00:42:39]  So he's still in prison.
[00:42:40]  Still in jail, but yes.
[00:42:42]  Wow.
[00:42:43]  And it's kind of as the days go by, because a lot of his defenders are coming out there being like, the fucking Matrix got him.
[00:42:50]  Like, you know, it's like they're trying to come after him for telling young men to like rape women.
[00:42:59]  Rape more.
[00:42:59]  Yeah.

=== Lover Boy Method (07:02) ===

[00:43:00]  Because I'm like, not really, it's kind of unclear on what advice he's really giving people.
[00:43:04]  It's like, stand up for yourself.
[00:43:06]  And like, you know, it's okay to hit chicks like once every couple days.
[00:43:11]  But the case kind of becomes clear.
[00:43:14]  And what emerges is that Andrew Tate has been luring women over to Romania using what is called the lover boy method.
[00:43:24]  Sorry, what?
[00:43:25]  The lover boy method.
[00:43:27]  And then engaging them in online sex work where he would take most, sometimes maybe all of their money and then maybe not let them leave the country or the house.
[00:43:44]  Got it.
[00:43:45]  So he's a sex trap.
[00:43:47]  I would say that would be definitional sex trafficking.
[00:43:50]  Yeah, but so the lover boy method seems to be – have you heard of this before?
[00:43:55]  No.
[00:43:55]  No.
[00:43:56]  I feel like I've heard of it before, but it's basically like, from what I can understand, You know, you kind of like get in with a woman, you like seduce her, and like really like are like, you're the one for me.
[00:44:13]  Like, I love you.
[00:44:13]  I love you.
[00:44:14]  In person or on the internet?
[00:44:15]  Probably both.
[00:44:16]  I'm sure of both.
[00:44:17]  I would assume a lot of this was very online, although he probably met these women.
[00:44:23]  Okay.
[00:44:24]  But like, it seems to be women he would find maybe on Instagram and stuff like that.
[00:44:28]  And he would be like, I want you to move to Romania and like, you know, marry me and all this kind of stuff.
[00:44:34]  They would fly to Romania and he would set them up with these two women that he was involved with, which the other two, the two women that got arrested along with him and his brother, one of whom is a former Romanian police officer.
[00:44:47]  He would set them up with them and they would sort of like essentially like get these women to start doing OnlyFans or Chatterbait or whatever, those like websites, you know, cam, cam girl stuff.
[00:45:02]  And there would be, I guess, one thing that, because he did talk about this very openly in interviews too, about because, you know, he was known to be a cam girl pimp.
[00:45:13]  Right.
[00:45:14]  But his whole thing was like not getting women who had experience in the trade.
[00:45:18]  So he would get women who have experienced.
[00:45:20]  Yeah, because that's the trafficking part.
[00:45:23]  Exactly.
[00:45:23]  And it's also just like you could probably, if somebody doesn't know how the business works and like all this stuff, you could also probably get them to take a, like you could rip them off more.
[00:45:33]  And so easier to traffic.
[00:45:35]  Easier to traffic.
[00:45:36]  Yeah.
[00:45:36]  Absolutely.
[00:45:38]  Unfortunately, Andrew Tate has also been engaged along with his rise to stardom in a years-long campaign of basically telling on himself at every available opportunity.
[00:45:52]  So one thing that you don't want to do is go on podcasts, numerous podcasts, and brag about how you move to Romania because the judicial system is corrupt, because you can get into organized crime easier, because tax fraud's easier, and because they don't arrest you for rape.
[00:46:08]  Yeah, this is what I never understood about Tate and like all these people kind of rushing to defend him, especially when, you know, yeah, there was like, especially when he got banned and all that shit.
[00:46:18]  Remember all those people rushing out to like, oh, he's just like a, whatever, whatever, whatever.
[00:46:23]  Like he's been on multiple podcasts and shows and YouTubes and whatever, literally talking about how he's raped women.
[00:46:31]  So that's that's one thing that like really kind of blows my mind about a lot of this stuff because he's become sort of like a cause du jour for like a lot of conservative and then like anti-woke people and stuff like that.
[00:46:44]  Until he basically got arrested.
[00:46:46]  I would say still, yeah, I would say a lot of people kind of like fell off.
[00:46:50]  My bad.
[00:46:52]  Yeah, but like, I would say there's still a lot of people who go pretty hard in the paint for him because he is, I just said hard in the paint.
[00:46:59]  I noticed that.
[00:47:00]  That's when you stick your erect penis into a big old gallon of paint and throw that motherfucker around.
[00:47:06]  It's the little, what do you always say about basketball?
[00:47:08]  The scritching screen.
[00:47:09]  The scritch and the scratch of the shoe in the basketball court.
[00:47:11]  There you go.
[00:47:11]  Going hard in the paint.
[00:47:12]  That's what that means.
[00:47:13]  Oh, hard in the paints of basketball reference.
[00:47:14]  Yes.
[00:47:15]  Okay, well, thought it was sort of like a home improvement thing.
[00:47:19]  But, you know, Andrew Tate is, by his own definition, and in fact, calls himself this, a pimp.
[00:47:28]  And a pimp is a pretty low sort of person, right?
[00:47:31]  Not a lot of people like pimps.
[00:47:33]  Traditionally, kind of a job where I would say an overwhelming part of the job description is the abuse and exploitation of very vulnerable women.
[00:47:43]  Yes.
[00:47:44]  And it was sort of astounding to see because Andrew Tate would describe himself as somebody, often, describe himself as somebody who is into conservative social values, right?
[00:47:55]  Like he likes traditional women.
[00:47:57]  He has like traditional masculine values.
[00:48:00]  And while it is true that throughout history, it has been normal in many societies to treat women very poorly.
[00:48:08]  I'm really not sure exactly when it was traditionally okay to be like just a pimp taking women across borders.
[00:48:16]  Well, unfortunately, for quite a long time.
[00:48:18]  Yeah, yeah, true.
[00:48:21]  But like, so we also find out that, you know, some women come forward in a Vice documentary and some articles about his 2015 arrest for rape in England.
[00:48:34]  And some text messages come out, including him saying things like, I love raping you, or I loved raping you.
[00:48:40]  And another woman came out and said that Andrew strangled her.
[00:48:45]  What a fucking pig.
[00:48:46]  I know.
[00:48:47]  The Romanian prosecutors also released some text messages, a little too long to go into here, but basically just showing essentially what we've described here, like him convincing women to come out to Romania and then involving them in an online sex trade.
[00:49:04]  And as part of his Hustlers University course, he would talk about how the main thing is, is to basically give the women zero dollars to tell them, to have them sign fake tax forms every once in a while and say that you're taking more of their money to pay for taxes when in actuality, you're just taking their money from them.
[00:49:22]  He wouldn't let women leave the house without an escort.
[00:49:26]  And it's pretty nasty business.
[00:49:28]  Yeah.
[00:49:28]  He's a fucking, I, this guy's got, I hope he fucking rots in Romanian jail.
[00:49:33]  I have a feeling he will be probably going to Romanian prison because that's another thing.
[00:49:37]  You don't want to go to a country like Romania and then be like, these guys will never arrest me.
[00:49:42]  They're such fucking corrupt idiots.
[00:49:44]  And you will probably get arrested.
[00:49:48]  Good riddance.

=== David Hamblin's Controversy (05:17) ===

[00:50:03]  Moving on to our third.
[00:50:06]  And this one, Liz, listen, I want to acknowledge some listener feedback.
[00:50:13]  The Utah series was difficult to follow.
[00:50:16]  For who?
[00:50:18]  Not for us.
[00:50:19]  But sometimes people would be like, I had to listen to this episode two or three times.
[00:50:23]  First of all, let me clear something up.
[00:50:26]  If you're not listening to every single episode that we do two or three times, what are you doing?
[00:50:30]  We got to juice those numbers.
[00:50:32]  What are you doing?
[00:50:32]  We got to juice the numbers.
[00:50:33]  Well, you don't think we have anything to say?
[00:50:36]  What?
[00:50:36]  We don't speak quickly enough for you?
[00:50:39]  I understand and acknowledge that podcasts are a difficult way to imbide complex information due to the fact that most of the time you're listening to this, you're also supposed to be doing complex problems while you're training to become a nuclear technician for the United States military.
[00:50:56]  However, at the beginning of all of those true Utah detectives, I can't even pronounce it, but our Utah episodes, we did kind of give an overview of the case that I feel like made sense, right?
[00:51:07]  So maybe practice a little active listening.
[00:51:11]  You know who did think it made sense?
[00:51:13]  The Utah Police.
[00:51:14]  The Utah Police.
[00:51:14]  Yeah, that's right.
[00:51:17]  So David Hamblin, who is sort of the focal point of our series on Utah.
[00:51:23]  One of the focal points.
[00:51:24]  One of the focal points.
[00:51:26]  But I would say the anchor of our Utah series.
[00:51:28]  One of the anchors.
[00:51:29]  One of the anchors.
[00:51:30]  Okay.
[00:51:31]  Has been arrested.
[00:51:32]  Yes.
[00:51:34]  So, all right.
[00:51:37]  I feel like I'm feeling this.
[00:51:40]  You need to go back and re-listen about three or four times.
[00:51:42]  I do.
[00:51:43]  I do need to.
[00:51:44]  I did have to look at our notes again.
[00:51:46]  David Hamblin came to light because he was a friend of a guy named David Levitt.
[00:51:53]  Okay.
[00:51:53]  These are two different Davids, Hamblin and Levitt.
[00:51:58]  David Levitt was the DA of Salt Lake City.
[00:52:04]  I've already tuned out.
[00:52:06]  Okay.
[00:52:08]  The sheriff's office gave a press conference talking about ritualistic child sex abuse.
[00:52:18]  You got me back.
[00:52:18]  I'm back in.
[00:52:20]  And not naming anybody.
[00:52:22]  A couple of days later, David Levitt comes out and gives a press conference saying that this was a political investigation and that he was being looked at.
[00:52:33]  You lost me again.
[00:52:35]  So, Levitt was also in an election against a guy named David Gray, who we don't even need to talk about that.
[00:52:41]  There's too many Davids here.
[00:52:44]  He lost that election.
[00:52:46]  It was confusing at the time because it looked like there actually was something to this investigation.
[00:52:55]  Yeah.
[00:52:56]  However, David Levitt's part in the abuse, this is where it gets really confusing.
[00:53:02]  This is where?
[00:53:04]  It still is confusing.
[00:53:06]  David Levitt, the DA's part in the abuse, we read the documents.
[00:53:10]  Yes.
[00:53:11]  That did seem very far-fetched.
[00:53:14]  Those were rather fantastical stories.
[00:53:16]  Yes.
[00:53:17]  However, David Hamblin, a former therapist and mid-ranking member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and high-ranking member of the Oklahoma Native American Church, which was essentially a front for marijuana operations and maybe some other operations.
[00:53:41]  Maybe some other operations.
[00:53:43]  Hamblin did seem like he was guilty.
[00:53:48]  Oh, yes.
[00:53:50]  In fact, 100% seemed like he was guilty.
[00:53:55]  And some really, really disturbing, I mean, yeah.
[00:53:58]  And I think it was the second episode when we really got into some of the, you know, some of the testimony from some of the alleged victims.
[00:54:08]  Yeah.
[00:54:09]  Some really, really gruesome stuff.
[00:54:11]  Really gruesome stuff.
[00:54:11]  Some really, really upsetting and difficult shit to go over.
[00:54:16]  Hamblin was arrested, actually back in September on three counts of sodomy with a child, two counts of aggravated sexual abuse of a child, and rape of a child.
[00:54:32]  One month later in October, still in custody, he was charged with six counts of aggravated sexual abuse of a boy who was his client when he was a therapist in the 1990s.
[00:54:45]  This is in addition, by the way, and this is actually in reference to the episode you're talking about.
[00:54:51]  This is one of the cases we talked about.
[00:54:53]  This is in addition to another victim who was diagnosed by David Hamblin as having multiple personality disorder as a result of child sexual abuse.
[00:55:05]  A diagnosis, a diagnosis, which was then used by Hamblin in order to cover up his own abuse of the victim.
[00:55:15]  And so now he is in jail facing a lot of really heavy charges.

=== Bodega Sandwiches & Cats (03:30) ===

[00:55:21]  And, yeah, I mean, I assume that more will come out about this as well.
[00:55:37]  Pew, pew, pew.
[00:55:38]  Pew, pew, pew.
[00:55:39]  That's me shooting.
[00:55:43]  Three of Trunon's targets down for the count.
[00:55:47]  Well, I will say there is another one.
[00:55:50]  But we're not going to tell you who.
[00:55:51]  No, I will.
[00:55:52]  Oh.
[00:55:52]  Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has been arrested.
[00:55:58]  Black Hop helicopters has landed at a little bodega in the Bronx, grabbed the caffeito right out of her hand and put her in those little twist ties and unfortunately blackbagged her.
[00:56:09]  Before she could get her little sandwich.
[00:56:11]  Before she could get her little...
[00:56:13]  Don't get me started on these little fucking sandwiches.
[00:56:15]  You don't like them?
[00:56:16]  No.
[00:56:17]  What do you get?
[00:56:18]  nothing you don't get a what do you mean A sandwich at the bodega?
[00:56:23]  Where else do you get a sandwich?
[00:56:25]  That's the problem.
[00:56:26]  This is something I really want to talk about, actually.
[00:56:29]  In other cities, where, all right, in California and San Francisco, we just call them liquor stores or corner stores, right?
[00:56:36]  But the corner stores don't have, they're not, they don't have sandwiches.
[00:56:38]  They don't have sandwiches.
[00:56:38]  They don't have sandwiches.
[00:56:40]  Some do.
[00:56:41]  Some do.
[00:56:41]  And those would be called bodegas.
[00:56:43]  Like the one under your old apartment, Yang Chomsky in San Francisco.
[00:56:47]  Okay.
[00:56:47]  I would call that one a bodega.
[00:56:49]  Our image.
[00:56:50]  Our image was a great, it's a great sandwich.
[00:56:52]  I wouldn't call that a bodega.
[00:56:53]  I don't know what a bodega means.
[00:56:54]  I mean, we don't.
[00:56:57]  I would call it a bodega, but I will say this.
[00:56:59]  They made more of a sandwiches as opposed to just the bodega sandwich where you get just exactly.
[00:57:04]  Yeah.
[00:57:04]  That was like a real sandwich shop in a good fucking mauf and shit there.
[00:57:11]  Yeah.
[00:57:12]  Anyways, because of the amount of bodegas in New York City, there aren't that many sandwich shops.
[00:57:20]  Too much competition.
[00:57:21]  Interesting.
[00:57:22]  Yeah.
[00:57:24]  But you could just go to the bodega.
[00:57:26]  Yeah, I could, but would I?
[00:57:28]  Why not?
[00:57:29]  Don't ask me.
[00:57:30]  I live in the suburbs.
[00:57:31]  Me?
[00:57:32]  Because they're all my friend there and they like me so much at the bodega.
[00:57:36]  And you're always dancing.
[00:57:37]  I'm always dancing in there.
[00:57:38]  I go behind there.
[00:57:39]  I smoke.
[00:57:39]  And you're like, oh my God, is that a cat?
[00:57:41]  Wow.
[00:57:41]  Wow.
[00:57:42]  You guys have a cat in your store?
[00:57:44]  Someone from the New York Times should take a photo of it.
[00:57:46]  I'm going to tell you this.
[00:57:47]  If you guys are impressed by cats in liquor stores, or excuse me, they don't sell liquor at stores here.
[00:57:53]  They sell them in a specific store you have to go to.
[00:57:55]  Yeah, that's called the liquor store.
[00:57:56]  That is fucking insane.
[00:57:58]  Wow.
[00:57:58]  Wait till we do our show in Boston.
[00:58:00]  You guys find out.
[00:58:01]  Oh, they do it up there.
[00:58:02]  I'm not going to find out a damn thing about that doing there because I'm being locked inside.
[00:58:06]  You guys are putting me in a coffin the entire time.
[00:58:09]  You guys think a cat in a fucking corner store is impressive?
[00:58:13]  It's a bodega.
[00:58:14]  Wait till you see the zoo.
[00:58:16]  That's nothing but animals in that store.
[00:58:18]  Well, those are different kinds of cats.
[00:58:20]  Big cats.
[00:58:20]  Big cats, but they got bigger.
[00:58:21]  But you need a bigger place because of the bigger cat.
[00:58:23]  They got big.
[00:58:24]  I'd be more impressed.
[00:58:24]  It would be very weird if you went to a zoo and it was just like a tabby cat.
[00:58:28]  A tabby cat in there?
[00:58:29]  I'd be like, what's up with the zoo?
[00:58:30]  Some dogs.
[00:58:32]  That would be so weird.
[00:58:33]  Yeah, they should.
[00:58:34]  That's called the, yeah.
[00:58:36]  Um.
[00:58:36]  Anyways, call me a motherfucking kill shelter because I'd be going in those bodegas and strangling those cats.
[00:58:42]  Oh, my God.
[00:58:43]  That would be so awful.
[00:58:45]  Can you imagine if there was like a, that feels like a very New York post store, you know, the like bodega.
[00:58:50]  Yeah, bodega cat strangler.

=== Big Cats and Monkeys (02:24) ===

[00:58:52]  Yeah.
[00:58:52]  I got to tell you, just, it's just, you know, it's just, I'm sick of hearing them.
[00:58:56]  I shouldn't know that they have cats in liquor stores in New York.
[00:59:00]  I mean, what year is it?
[00:59:01]  I mean, I feel like, yeah.
[00:59:03]  Wake me up when you have a monkey in there, okay?
[00:59:06]  I bet some of them do.
[00:59:07]  Yeah, I know.
[00:59:08]  Let me see it.
[00:59:09]  Let him wake up.
[00:59:09]  Hey, if you know where the monkeys are at in New York, if you got the deets on the monkeys, hit the DMs.
[00:59:16]  Or wake me up.
[00:59:17]  Let me see your gun if I walk into one of those stores.
[00:59:19]  I don't think that's.
[00:59:20]  Let me point mine at you and you point yours at me.
[00:59:22]  And we go our separate ways.
[00:59:24]  You know, people don't really have monkeys anymore.
[00:59:26]  That was a very 90s thing.
[00:59:28]  You know, remember that moment?
[00:59:30]  Ross had a monkey.
[00:59:31]  I was nine.
[00:59:32]  Yeah, but do you remember?
[00:59:34]  Yeah, I do remember.
[00:59:35]  I feel like monkeys were pretty big in it.
[00:59:36]  Monkey Bone kind of healed it.
[00:59:38]  Yeah, Ross had a monkey.
[00:59:39]  That was a whole.
[00:59:40]  It's crazy that writers on NBC were like, second season, we're giving Ross a monkey.
[00:59:45]  Did he get a monkey and friends?
[00:59:47]  Yeah.
[00:59:47]  That was like a totally big character arc.
[00:59:50]  Wasn't a fan of that show.
[00:59:52]  I love that show.
[00:59:52]  You know why?
[00:59:54]  Why?
[00:59:54]  They're all friends.
[00:59:55]  It's nice.
[00:59:57]  Yeah, fair enough.
[00:59:58]  Also, Rachel Green, great outfit.
[01:00:01]  That's the woman?
[01:00:03]  A woman?
[01:00:04]  That's like the hippie woman?
[01:00:05]  No, that's Vime Buffet.
[01:00:06]  Okay.
[01:00:07]  Don't know who that is then.
[01:00:10]  It's time to call it.
[01:00:11]  I'm Liz.
[01:00:12]  My name.
[01:00:13]  You're Brace Buffet.
[01:00:15]  I'm the Warden.
[01:00:17]  Yeah, Brace Buffet, Warden here at Ngawlin State Prison.
[01:00:23]  And of course, we have here my number one inmate, the guy who does my bookkeeping for me.
[01:00:30]  Uh-oh, I hope he never has a reason to get revenge and escape the prison.
[01:00:36]  Young Chomsky.
[01:00:39]  You know the guy?
[01:00:41]  I'm not going to go into this.
[01:00:42]  What?
[01:00:43]  I'm just saying, like, people, Shawshank Redemption.
[01:00:46]  I never saw it.
[01:00:46]  You know, in the book, he's in there for pedophilia.
[01:00:49]  Really?
[01:00:50]  No, I just made that up.
[01:00:52]  And the podcast is called True Anony.
[01:00:54]  Well, see you next time.
[01:00:56]  Bye-bye.
[01:01:15]  Come out.