True Anon Truth Feed - Episode 232: Soak Lake City
Aired: 2022-06-13
Duration: 01:40:51


=== Expanding Our Podcast Family (01:38) ===

[00:00:00]  All right, baby.
[00:00:02]  I kind of have been meaning to talk to you about something, and I think tonight, right now, is the time to do it.
[00:00:09]  Okay.
[00:00:10]  So, you and I have been like the hosts of the podcast for a really long time.
[00:00:14]  The whole, well, the whole time.
[00:00:16]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:00:17]  And we've raised a big podcast comes out of us being the host together.
[00:00:20]  Yeah, totally, totally.
[00:00:21]  Beautiful union.
[00:00:22]  I mean, our child, young Chomsky has grown up to be really just like athletic.
[00:00:28]  I don't like the way you're framing this, but you know, it's just like, what if we kind of like, I don't know, maybe like invited some other women kind of into our family, right?
[00:00:39]  Like expanded our family, which I think.
[00:00:40]  I just want to open up the podcast.
[00:00:42]  I mean, just like, it's the family's the most important thing in the world, right?
[00:00:44]  Like, we both agree on that, right?
[00:00:47]  And I'm like, what, why not make our family bigger?
[00:00:50]  And so, like, I was thinking maybe we could have like other women also doing the podcast.
[00:00:55]  What do you mean?
[00:00:57]  Well, it's like some like, you're my obviously number one.
[00:01:01]  You're my main lady, but they would just.
[00:01:07]  Yeah, for sure.
[00:01:08]  Yeah.
[00:01:08]  No, but like, like, but we'd have like another woman and then like another one.
[00:01:14]  We call kind of like live.
[00:01:15]  Well, you don't have to live there, but like I live with them somewhere.
[00:01:18]  And like we did the podcast with them.
[00:01:20]  Wait, so, but are there other male co-hosts?
[00:01:22]  But no, I mean, that's just, I feel like that like brings like a crazy ass energy and that like I don't think would really be good for us.
[00:01:28]  So like, but I do think like having like some like like Zendaya or Megan Fox as like co-hosts, I think would be really like fruitful.

=== Lymphatic Mediators (03:32) ===

[00:01:38]  Absolutely not.
[00:02:02]  So as you might have guessed today, I don't think anyone guessed anything.
[00:02:06]  First, before you get into that.
[00:02:07]  Hello, everyone.
[00:02:08]  Hi.
[00:02:09]  Brace always forgets.
[00:02:10]  I'm Liz.
[00:02:11]  My name is Brace Belden.
[00:02:14]  And of course, we have with us as our producer in third, young Chomsky.
[00:02:21]  Who's sitting right here?
[00:02:23]  Hello.
[00:02:24]  What if we should just start calling him the third?
[00:02:26]  The third?
[00:02:27]  The third.
[00:02:28]  Yeah.
[00:02:28]  He's in between us, which is very unusual.
[00:02:30]  I know.
[00:02:31]  Yeah.
[00:02:31]  Yeah.
[00:02:31]  That is, this is actually weird.
[00:02:33]  I feel like we're mediated by you.
[00:02:34]  Yeah.
[00:02:35]  We have a little mediator here.
[00:02:37]  It's also weird.
[00:02:38]  He's a big mediator.
[00:02:40]  Well, I think it's weird that he's recording lying flat on his stomach with his legs kind of up in the air behind him and his ankles crossed.
[00:02:47]  Oh, what is always good to get blood flow going there?
[00:02:49]  Because lymphatic movement is important.
[00:02:52]  And you got fat ass limbs.
[00:02:53]  This is the second episode in a row that I've talked about lymphatic.
[00:02:57]  What did you say lymphatic on the other one?
[00:02:59]  I was talking about someone's lymph nodes.
[00:03:01]  Have you seen my nodes, my node, before?
[00:03:03]  Yeah, your nodes.
[00:03:04]  I got a node.
[00:03:05]  Yeah, you should go get a lymphatic massage.
[00:03:07]  What?
[00:03:08]  I don't want some lady touching this.
[00:03:10]  No, that helps you kind of move, get your lymphatic system moving, draining properly, gets all that really good for circulation.
[00:03:19]  Okay.
[00:03:19]  It's a really important.
[00:03:21]  Oh my God.
[00:03:22]  Yeah, it sounds fake.
[00:03:23]  I've had this thing.
[00:03:24]  It's like a side goiter.
[00:03:26]  It's for those who've never seen me.
[00:03:27]  It's a side goat.
[00:03:27]  If you've seen Brace, then you've definitely seen it because it is.
[00:03:31]  It's grapefruit sized.
[00:03:32]  Yeah, it's crazy.
[00:03:32]  It's crazy.
[00:03:33]  I can't wear high-collared shirts because it just bulges out like a basketball.
[00:03:38]  Speaking of basketball, Warriors won last night.
[00:03:41]  Uh-huh.
[00:03:42]  I'm just letting you know.
[00:03:43]  I'm not giving you any more room to run with that.
[00:03:45]  I don't know why.
[00:03:46]  Did you enjoy watching the game?
[00:03:48]  Here's the thing.
[00:03:48]  I didn't watch the game.
[00:03:49]  What?
[00:03:50]  Yeah.
[00:03:50]  Didn't see the basic game.
[00:03:51]  You made me watch two basketball games with you this weekend.
[00:03:54]  I had, unfortunately, I had dinner plans that I couldn't change.
[00:03:58]  You make me sick.
[00:03:59]  So I had to watch the first half, go to dinner, have my phone out, watching the play-by-play the entire time like an asshole.
[00:04:06]  This is the rudest thing I've ever heard.
[00:04:08]  This is the rudest anecdote I've ever heard in my life.
[00:04:10]  I know.
[00:04:11]  And then I went home and I watched the second half and I was very excited.
[00:04:14]  That's crazy.
[00:04:15]  So you just went out to dinner with people last night and just looked at a Warriors game on your phone the entire time?
[00:04:19]  No, I kept flipping it up and down.
[00:04:20]  It was kind of like, you know, trying to be polite.
[00:04:22]  And yet you get mad at me.
[00:04:23]  You get mad at me when I watch my favorite streamers propped up on my iPad when we go out.
[00:04:29]  You get mad at me, full volume, because headphones make my ears uncomfortable.
[00:04:32]  I can't name any.
[00:04:34]  You don't even know any.
[00:04:35]  The only one I know is Hassan.
[00:04:37]  But the other, the, no, I got it.
[00:04:40]  Who's the other ones?
[00:04:42]  PewDiePie.
[00:04:44]  You know, I'm watching that shit.
[00:04:46]  Is that person still going?
[00:04:47]  You just didn't use a pronoun there because you're like, you don't know.
[00:04:51]  I know of the name from like headlines that you see at the bottom.
[00:04:56]  Like, do you know those fake clickbait headlines that are like, this toenail fungus treatment will help you get a bigger dick or whatever.
[00:05:06]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:05:06]  They're like, look here.
[00:05:07]  That's where I feel like PewDiePie lives in my brain.

=== Ritualistic Child Trafficking (16:15) ===

[00:05:11]  No, he was killed in the opening weeks of the war in Ukraine.
[00:05:15]  But it's, it's, yeah, I just watched kind of like replays.
[00:05:19]  We're talking about, we're doing a little, this is a fully classico truanon episode.
[00:05:25]  We're doing too much classico style.
[00:05:26]  I don't know if this is full classico.
[00:05:28]  This is the most classico episode we've ever done.
[00:05:31]  I feel like, first of all, you don't get to name what's classico and what's not.
[00:05:35]  Okay.
[00:05:35]  Well.
[00:05:36]  Second of all, I think it's okay.
[00:05:39]  It is yet to be determined as we are recording it right now whether or not this goes full classico style.
[00:05:45]  Okay, well, fine.
[00:05:47]  We also didn't come up with a name for it, which is going to make my segue into the next section a little more difficult.
[00:05:52]  But let's call it you.
[00:05:56]  Oh, Utah, you talking that I ate a baby?
[00:06:04]  What?
[00:06:05]  Okay, this is, usually we do this behind closed doors.
[00:06:08]  We're not, why are you naming it now?
[00:06:10]  You talk, you talking, you talking about it.
[00:06:12]  We're talking about some crazy stuff that's going on in the state that I've never been to for good reason.
[00:06:17]  It's been twice.
[00:06:19]  And for also, there's a reason why Brace has been there twice.
[00:06:22]  Utah.
[00:06:23]  Yes, Utah, and specifically recent reports that came out.
[00:06:29]  Well, the report didn't actually come out, but recent reporting, let's say, that came out, wherein the DA of Utah County had to publicly deny that he's ever been involved in not only ritualistic child sex abuse, but has in fact never actually cannibalized a child either.
[00:06:50]  So yeah, no, no, fuck, why can't I think of it?
[00:06:53]  No frazzle drip.
[00:06:54]  No frazzle drip.
[00:06:55]  No frazzle drip in the great state of the business.
[00:06:59]  It's frazzle dry for now.
[00:07:02]  Well, you know, the whole lake is drying up.
[00:07:04]  Yeah, you were telling this.
[00:07:05]  And you know what?
[00:07:05]  I'll have you know, I repeated this last night to somebody.
[00:07:08]  Did you?
[00:07:08]  I did.
[00:07:09]  What did they say?
[00:07:10]  Did they go, that's interesting.
[00:07:11]  Well, as I was saying, I was like, what if this just isn't true at all?
[00:07:15]  I'm pretty sure it's true.
[00:07:15]  Because I used to tell that story about my friend Matt, who worked for Jell-O Biafra, who had to carry him like a baby from his front door to Mini Cooper.
[00:07:23]  I found out 10 years later that just wasn't true.
[00:07:25]  I've told thousands of people that.
[00:07:27]  I think you've said it on the podcast.
[00:07:29]  Definitely have.
[00:07:29]  Yeah, no, that's right.
[00:07:30]  No, I read that this salt lake was drying up and that it was, it was, this is a concern because that as it dries up, it releases low levels of arsenic, which will just kill everything.
[00:07:45]  It's not arsenic.
[00:07:47]  It's a fertile place anyway.
[00:07:48]  Well, I guess like fish and stuff.
[00:07:50]  But the only way to fix this is to drain more water into the lake from the mountains.
[00:07:56]  But we can't do that because too many people, for some reason, are moving to Salt Lake City and they would have to go on water rations.
[00:08:06]  Interesting.
[00:08:07]  So the crazy thing about the Salt Lakes, the Salt Lake, is that, because, you know, I've been there a couple of times.
[00:08:12]  Every time I drink from it, because of the salt, it makes me more thirsty.
[00:08:17]  So I have to drink more.
[00:08:18]  And so I get locked in this cycle of I end up drinking from the salt lake for like days at a time.
[00:08:23]  And catch 22.
[00:08:24]  Yeah, exactly.
[00:08:24]  You can't stop drinking because you're so thirsty every time that you like catch.
[00:08:29]  Oh, man.
[00:08:31]  So before I, this is a bit of a confusing episode because, and we were talking about this before we started.
[00:08:39]  Everybody has some of the, except for one outstanding person.
[00:08:43]  Yeah.
[00:08:44]  Well, not outstanding person, but he's outstanding in this list.
[00:08:47]  Everyone has the most boring name that you could ever.
[00:08:49]  So here's the thing.
[00:08:49]  It's not just boring.
[00:08:51]  So I have this thing called Mormon face, right?
[00:08:55]  You don't have Mormon face.
[00:08:56]  I don't have Mormon.
[00:08:57]  Oh, I don't have it.
[00:08:58]  I have a concept.
[00:08:59]  Yeah.
[00:09:00]  I've named a concept in my head where there's this like kind of doughy boyishness that I associate with a kind of, that I call Mormon face.
[00:09:10]  Now, immediately the first person that I think of whenever I think of this is Buster Posey, the San Francisco Giants catcher, of course.
[00:09:17]  Hall of Famer, or soon to be Hall of Famer someday will be.
[00:09:21]  Anyway.
[00:09:22]  But my point being that it's this kind of like white, doughy, boyish, kind of 1950s, but there's a like, it's like soft.
[00:09:32]  Yeah.
[00:09:33]  There's a softness, no hard jawlock.
[00:09:35]  If you slap it, it would ripple.
[00:09:36]  Yes.
[00:09:37]  Now, similarly, like in my head, it's kind of like there's an that AI thing where people are getting fake photos generated.
[00:09:47]  Like if I wonder if like something could be put in there and it would be like Mormon face.
[00:09:51]  It would be like a blurred together doughy white and it would make sense to me.
[00:09:55]  Now, similarly, the names that all these men have, they kind of blur together.
[00:10:01]  Yes.
[00:10:01]  Because they are equally forgettable, just completely forgettable.
[00:10:07]  Really difficult to actually, even though some of them have, not radically, but different names, it is hard for me to actually tell them apart.
[00:10:16]  Yes.
[00:10:16]  So the other thing that's confusing is there's also two guys named David.
[00:10:19]  Yeah.
[00:10:19]  So we got to go by their last names.
[00:10:21]  Exactly.
[00:10:21]  Oh, do we?
[00:10:22]  Because that's going to be, you say that now, but I'm going to immediately forget to do that in like a minute.
[00:10:26]  So that's why I'm here and not Zendaya to go like that.
[00:10:33]  This guy or that guy?
[00:10:34]  Yeah.
[00:10:35]  You see that?
[00:10:35]  That's why you got this co-host.
[00:10:37]  Okay.
[00:10:37]  Well.
[00:10:37]  Not the star of Euphoria.
[00:10:38]  Zendaya actually, is that what she's in?
[00:10:41]  Because I just know her as like a person.
[00:10:43]  Okay.
[00:10:44]  All right.
[00:10:45]  So I wrote up a little cast of characters in the minute before we started recording just so that we could kind of keep people on track.
[00:10:52]  Well, we've never done this before, but they, but we can keep people kind of, you can know who we're talking about because there are going to be a lot of names thrown out in this episode.
[00:11:00]  So David Levitt, the main man.
[00:11:03]  Uh-huh.
[00:11:04]  He is the embattled DA of Utah County who looks like Bill Barr and speaks, and then I did an ellipsis, and speaks fluent Ukrainian.
[00:11:13]  Yes.
[00:11:13]  So Utah County, by the way, is a county in Utah that which Provo Canyon is the seat of.
[00:11:18]  So not Salt Lake.
[00:11:20]  Mike Smith, the bald-headed sheriff of Utah County.
[00:11:24]  Hold on.
[00:11:25]  So I just want to pause here.
[00:11:26]  These are the two guys that will be the kind of center of this story.
[00:11:31]  David Levitt, the DA, Mike Smith, the sheriff.
[00:11:35]  Do you see how these names kind of blur together?
[00:11:36]  Okay, let's keep going.
[00:11:37]  Then we have our second David, Double D is David Hamblin, a white man in a teepee with a penchant for peyote and some deeper problems.
[00:11:49]  Yeah, David Hamblin, which to me sounds like a 1970s lounge singer.
[00:11:56]  Yes.
[00:11:57]  And if a certain court case goes through, we can also nickname him David Namblin.
[00:12:02]  Yes.
[00:12:03]  We also then have Nicholas Rossi.
[00:12:06]  Now that one sticks out in your brain.
[00:12:08]  Yes.
[00:12:08]  Also, because he has about eight other names.
[00:12:11]  Yes.
[00:12:12]  Nicholas Rossi, which we'll get to his AKAs later because there are too many to put down.
[00:12:16]  But he is a dead man wanted for rape.
[00:12:19]  Resurrected as a fat professor in Scotland.
[00:12:24]  Additionally, we have a man whose name I always get wrong, Adam Herbetts.
[00:12:29]  It's the French, which is an awkward name to say.
[00:12:32]  Herbet.
[00:12:33]  Maybe it's Herbet.
[00:12:35]  Because what you want to do is say Herbert's, but it's not.
[00:12:38]  There's no extra R.
[00:12:39]  It's a Herbets.
[00:12:40]  It's a Herbets.
[00:12:42]  Yeah, he is a local Fox News reporter.
[00:12:45]  What is his agenda?
[00:12:46]  That's what I wrote.
[00:12:49]  I don't like the way he looks.
[00:12:50]  No, I don't really.
[00:12:52]  I got to be real with you.
[00:12:53]  Literally greatly dislike the way every single person named here looks.
[00:12:57]  I'm telling you, they've all got that doughy fit that all blends together.
[00:13:01]  Sergeant Spencer Cannon.
[00:13:04]  I'm actually going to make you read this.
[00:13:07]  The withered finger man who serves the sheriff.
[00:13:10]  Yeah, you like that.
[00:13:11]  What's a finger man?
[00:13:12]  He's a finger man.
[00:13:12]  What's a ferber?
[00:13:13]  He fingers people.
[00:13:15]  He's fingering people.
[00:13:18]  The finger man.
[00:13:19]  Then we have Jeff Gray.
[00:13:22]  Gray with an AY.
[00:13:24]  AY.
[00:13:24]  Yes.
[00:13:25]  Yeah.
[00:13:25]  Yeah.
[00:13:26]  Different kind of Gray.
[00:13:27]  The British spelling?
[00:13:28]  Maybe, maybe not.
[00:13:30]  He's running for Utah County Attorney.
[00:13:32]  And on June 28th, it's all or nothing.
[00:13:35]  I like the way you wrote these.
[00:13:36]  And then I know we never.
[00:13:38]  So, wait, by the way, Jeff Gray running against David Levitt.
[00:13:42]  Yes, in an upcoming election on June 28th.
[00:13:45]  Okay.
[00:13:45]  Then we have Craig Johnson.
[00:13:47]  No one's going to remember that name.
[00:13:50]  He risked it all for jazz, but is he playing to his own tune?
[00:13:55]  And who's paying the Piper?
[00:13:58]  You like that shit?
[00:13:59]  I feel like you got to say it like this: Craig Johnson.
[00:14:04]  He risked it all for the jazz, but is he playing to his own tune?
[00:14:09]  And who's paying the Piper?
[00:14:12]  Okay, well, I didn't say it like that.
[00:14:14]  And I think it's rude that you're now backseat quarterbacking me.
[00:14:17]  And then also peacocking.
[00:14:19]  Is that?
[00:14:20]  Do you think I'm peacocking?
[00:14:21]  I don't really know what that is.
[00:14:22]  I don't think I'm peacocking.
[00:14:24]  I don't have a hat on.
[00:14:25]  Well, hold on to your hat now that you're not wearing, but is by your side like a holstered pistol on a sheriff's belt.
[00:14:33]  Because a little over a week ago, on May, in fact, several days over a week ago at this point, the Utah County Attorney and the Utah County Sheriff did something a little bit unusual.
[00:14:47]  June 1st, they held dueling press conferences with the Utah County attorney David Levitt going first and the county sheriff Mike Smith going second about speaking, not in riddles, but very vaguely about a possible ritualistic sex and maybe cannibalism case that, while not publicly named, David Levitt, the attorney, himself is saying that he's being implicated in and he's fingering the sheriff.
[00:15:18]  Yeah, so little true and on tip, don't ever implicate yourself, if no one else has yet, in any kind of child abuse and or cannibalism case.
[00:15:28]  Yeah, I feel like he could have just gone out there and said, I mean, we'll get to his press, his actual, what actually went down in that press conference in a second.
[00:15:35]  But that, I feel like if you have to deny that you ever ate a baby, just go up there and be like, listen, a lot of people are saying a lot of crazy shit right now.
[00:15:43]  I'm not even going to repeat their claims and give them dignity.
[00:15:46]  That's always a good move.
[00:15:47]  Yeah.
[00:15:47]  But I didn't do it.
[00:15:48]  Sure.
[00:15:49]  Always, also.
[00:15:50]  Yeah, it's the classic, you know, oh, my public statement about not eating a baby has a lot of people asking about my public statement.
[00:15:58]  And that's exactly what happened to me.
[00:16:01]  I saw that Adam Herbates from Herbitz from fucking.
[00:16:09]  No one is going to know who we're talking about because we can't say their name.
[00:16:12]  Well, it's Herbert without an R with and with an S. Adam Herbettz put out this thread basically detailing not detailing, but being very vague about a series of allegations.
[00:16:26]  And I immediately was like, what the fuck is going on here?
[00:16:30]  tried to look into it that night in fact recorded a podcast with some guys from utah in which i had you did Yeah, I told you that I was doing that.
[00:16:37]  I don't remember this.
[00:16:38]  Well, we didn't get very far.
[00:16:40]  Okay.
[00:16:40]  I certainly didn't get as far as we're getting today.
[00:16:43]  But it was, it was very, it was confusing for me.
[00:16:49]  And then I looked on Tuesday, May 31st, the day before these press conferences, a 151-page report came out, quote, came out.
[00:16:58]  It actually hasn't been released to the public.
[00:17:00]  That Levitt says contains a decade-old accusation of ritualistic sex abuse that he and other, 14 other people are implicated in.
[00:17:09]  That day, May 31st, the Utah County Sheriff's Department puts out a press release on their website.
[00:17:14]  Liz, would you read this?
[00:17:16]  Yeah, okay.
[00:17:17]  In April of 2021, an investigation began into ritualistic child sexual abuse and child sex trafficking that occurred in Utah County.
[00:17:29]  The ensuing investigation discovered that other victims had previously reported similar forms of ritualistic sexual abuse and trafficking that occurred in Utah County, Juab County, and Sampede County during the time between 1990 and 2010.
[00:17:47]  Portions of these allegations were confirmed.
[00:17:51]  These allegations are being investigated by the Utah County Sheriff's Office in cooperation with other local and federal agencies.
[00:18:00]  We are pleading with the public and encouraging victims or individuals with knowledge of these crimes to contact the Utah County Sheriff's Office Special Victims Unit so that they can be offered all of the assistance possible.
[00:18:13]  We understand that there are individuals who have concerns for their safety and or well-being who have been silenced.
[00:18:20]  We need your help.
[00:18:24]  So that is an explosive press release.
[00:18:27]  Explosive.
[00:18:28]  To come out with because ritualistic child sex abuse, I mean, the R word there is, there's a lot of connotations with that, right?
[00:18:39]  Yeah, and particularly, I mean, in a lot of places, right?
[00:18:42]  But particularly in California and Utah, where during the 80s and early 90s, I mean, those were kind of the sites of a lot of claims being made.
[00:18:54]  Various schools, there was a whole scandal having to do with the LDS Church.
[00:19:00]  You know, that's the Mormon Church, Latter-day Saints.
[00:19:02]  I don't know why.
[00:19:03]  Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter-day Saints.
[00:19:04]  Thank you, baby.
[00:19:07]  And so in these two places, I mean, you know, bringing up child ritual sex abuse in these places, I mean, you know, there's a lot of memories that come forward.
[00:19:17]  Absolutely.
[00:19:18]  No pun intended.
[00:19:19]  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 100%.
[00:19:21]  And the language here is a little kind of vague.
[00:19:26]  I mean, even as vague as it is, it gets even vaguer because it says the ensuing investigation discovered that other victims had previously reported similar forms of ritualistic sexual abuse and trafficking.
[00:19:38]  So that doesn't necessarily even mean that they're connected.
[00:19:41]  Like it's, it's, it's so vague as to be almost not meaningless, but it really doesn't give you a lot of handholds here.
[00:19:47]  And that's how it would have stayed, except probably for some rumors and talking around town, if this 151-page report had not been leaked.
[00:19:58]  And what appears to have happened here in a, as we've seen from an ensuing Twitter exchange between Adam Herbetz and the Utah County Attorney's Office Twitter pages is that Adam Herbetz, Herbé, Adam Herbetz, Adam Herbetz, the reporter, the local Fox News reporter.
[00:20:17]  Yes, had asked, had text messaged David Levitt.
[00:20:22]  David Levitt, the embattled DA of Utah County.
[00:20:25]  Yes.
[00:20:25]  And had asked him to comment on the report.
[00:20:29]  So on Wednesday, June 1st, David Levitt comes out and gives this press conference where he opens up with a long spiel, I mean, really right out the gate, about a guy named Nicholas Rossi describing how, because of a rape test kit that went untested for over a decade, that Nicholas Rossi was being extradited by the Scottish government over charges levied against him by David Levitt's office.
[00:20:52]  He says, quote, Nicholas Rossi's M.O., I don't know why I'm giving him this voice.
[00:20:56]  Nicholas Rossi's M.O., this isn't his voice either, is to take on people who accuse him or who threaten him or in any way stand in his way with vile crimes, with blackmail and extortion.
[00:21:08]  He goes on to say that this second case revolved around a local therapist and centered around an allegation that centered around one tragically mentally ill woman that was that therapist's daughter.
[00:21:20]  That woman accused him and 15 or 20 other members of the community of being involved in horrific crimes.

=== Nicholas Rossi's M.O. (14:32) ===

[00:21:26]  Okay, stop because this is very confusing.
[00:21:29]  No one knows what we're talking about.
[00:21:30]  Yeah.
[00:21:30]  I don't know what we're talking about.
[00:21:32]  But I do know that just to recap, David Levitt gets this press conference.
[00:21:38]  Yes.
[00:21:39]  The day prior, there was a press conference by the sheriff's office.
[00:21:43]  Press release, yes.
[00:21:44]  Okay.
[00:21:45]  The press release says that investigation, ritualistic child sex abuse, there are rumors online and throughout the Salt Lake Scuttlebutt saying that that case actually involves David Levitt.
[00:21:59]  Yes.
[00:21:59]  He has not been named publicly by the Utah County Sheriff's Department or anything like that.
[00:22:05]  No.
[00:22:05]  And so what he's doing here is he's saying what's going on right now is I am basically being connected via these two cases, this case involving Nicholas Rossi and this, what he says, unrelated case involving this therapist and his daughter.
[00:22:20]  Those are being used by the sheriff's county and by some mysterious figures behind the scenes, which is sort of implied there, to essentially put me on blast.
[00:22:33]  What he says, a week before ballots drop in the upcoming election.
[00:22:37]  I see.
[00:22:38]  The old political politicking.
[00:22:40]  Exactly.
[00:22:41]  The little June surprise here.
[00:22:45]  So he says, well, of course, this all occurs one week before ballots drop in an election that I'm participating in that causes me tremendous concern over the credibility and the actions and the connections of the sheriff's department.
[00:22:58]  So he thinks the sheriff's department is coming after him and is dropping all this crazy stuff, including the child ritualized sex abuse scandal.
[00:23:08]  Exactly.
[00:23:08]  Yeah.
[00:23:09]  So he kind of goes on to say here that Nicholas Rossi is colluding, somebody who is being extradited by David Levitt's office from Scotland is colluding with the Utah County Sheriff's Department to bring forth discredited,
[00:23:30]  in David Levitt's words, or I don't know if he says that, but he says discredited charges from 10 years ago against a therapist in which he is implicated.
[00:23:41]  Okay.
[00:23:42]  So I know that's a little confusing there, but there's two different cases here that he says are connected.
[00:23:48]  So we've got the case with the therapist.
[00:23:50]  Yes.
[00:23:50]  And we've got the case of Nicholas Rossi.
[00:23:53]  Exactly.
[00:23:53]  And then we've got the child sex abuse investigation.
[00:23:59]  Yes.
[00:24:00]  Which involves the case from the therapist that has been brought.
[00:24:06]  I know this is confusing that Nicholas Rossi is also pushing.
[00:24:11]  Got it.
[00:24:12]  Okay, I know that's a little confusing, but think of it as like a little triangle.
[00:24:15]  Yeah, the devil trying to all connected.
[00:24:17]  So Levitt also slips out that he wouldn't leak any documents if this was to be investigated by any FBI or anything like that to, quote, political consultants or to members of the media or anything like that.
[00:24:28]  So what he's saying is it's the sheriff's office who's leaked it because he wouldn't have done that.
[00:24:33]  Absolutely, yes.
[00:24:34]  He also calls out local media and then he calls out the sheriff to resign, citing Sheriff Mike Smith having misused county resources, presumably involved in this, he says, bullshit investigation.
[00:24:47]  And he also calls on the Utah County Sheriff's Department PR officer, which would be Sergeant Spencer Cannon.
[00:24:54]  I got it.
[00:24:55]  To resign as well.
[00:24:56]  So he's basically saying, hey, love it or leave it.
[00:25:01]  Yes.
[00:25:01]  And so he is saying that he was accused of cannibalism, that he and his wife are accused, and he gets very angry when he's talking about his wife.
[00:25:09]  He and his wife are accused of being involved somehow in this as well.
[00:25:14]  He's very vague, but he says that the 151-page report that has been leaked that has come out is a victim statement from the daughter of a therapist who was arrested in 2012, but whose charges were dropped by the predecessor of David Levitt, who had previously occupied the Utah County attorney's position.
[00:25:36]  So he is actually asked some questions from the reporters assembled here, and he's sort of forced to admit that the therapist, who is not named publicly, but the therapist might not be quite an unknown quantity to him.
[00:25:50]  He actually says he prosecuted this therapist in Juab County, where he was the Juab County attorney between, I think, like 95 and the early 2000s for poaching a deer.
[00:26:02]  Poaching a deer?
[00:26:04]  Yeah.
[00:26:04]  Which I'm like, isn't it just legal to shoot a deer?
[00:26:07]  Yeah.
[00:26:08]  Must have been was it a special deer?
[00:26:10]  I mean, maybe, well, maybe, because he says, and again, these are David Levitt's words: he poached the deer to use for ritualistic purposes.
[00:26:19]  So, someone is doing ritualistic stuff.
[00:26:21]  Yes, he and he's pressed on that question.
[00:26:24]  He's like, I don't know what rituals they were, but he says they were Native Americans.
[00:26:28]  I feel like if you know what the deer and you know the case, then maybe you know a little bit more about what kind of rituals they were.
[00:26:34]  Well, he kind of is forced to elaborate a little more.
[00:26:36]  He's like, Listen, when I was a law student, this therapist was my uh elder's quorum president in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
[00:26:45]  Uh, he was my neighbor.
[00:26:46]  I have a family connection.
[00:26:48]  When my wife, his wife learned of whatever he was doing, she divorced him.
[00:26:55]  I testified at that divorce hearing.
[00:26:57]  What?
[00:26:58]  Yes, so he really does know this guy very well.
[00:27:01]  He knows justified at the divorce hearing.
[00:27:03]  Yeah, I am well aware of who that therapist is, and I'm well aware of many of the players here.
[00:27:11]  When the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints found out about this person's conduct, they kicked him out.
[00:27:17]  So, he's out.
[00:27:17]  He's out.
[00:27:18]  He's no.
[00:27:19]  Well, this guy might have been mixing a couple religions in the first, he was doing some stuff.
[00:27:23]  Listen, I'm not up on Mormon theology.
[00:27:25]  You know, my only contact with Mormonism is: I once made love to a beautiful Mormon girl in my teens.
[00:27:32]  Interesting.
[00:27:33]  Yes, but she was kicked out for getting ear piercing.
[00:27:36]  So, I can imagine if you get kicked out for getting ear piercing, some of the stuff this therapist was getting up to, even beyond the charges of sex abuse, are probably not for sure.
[00:27:47]  From what I know about the Mormon church, the sex abuse is the least of the therapists.
[00:27:50]  Yeah, actually, that was what prevented him from getting kicked out earlier.
[00:27:54]  He says there is no organized ring of abuse, it was debunked more than 10 years ago.
[00:28:00]  He's talking about deboomed.
[00:28:02]  It was dismissed by someone not in any way, in any respect affiliated with me, and it wasn't even investigated in a serious way by the sex crimes task force of Utah County.
[00:28:14]  So, that is, and he also says, I haven't seen or talked to him in over a decade, meaning probably in 2012 when this case was both brought and then dismissed.
[00:28:24]  Okay, so I feel like at this point in the story, Levitt, not on the offensive here.
[00:28:41]  No, it's like he was going strong, and now he's forced to admit, well, actually, this crazy therapist is my boy, was my boy.
[00:28:51]  Yeah, I know him really well.
[00:28:53]  In fact, I know a lot of the people that are involved in all this that I can't name, but you guys know who I'm talking about, and I know who I'm talking about.
[00:29:00]  And, like, you know what I'm saying?
[00:29:01]  Like, I feel like he's backpedaling a bit.
[00:29:02]  He's 100%.
[00:29:05]  And something that I think in a couple of minutes, when we get to this part, we'll maybe make some people noggin jogging.
[00:29:13]  Okay.
[00:29:14]  Is that he says this case was investigated by the, well, it wasn't investigated in a serious way by the Sex Crimes Task Force of Utah County.
[00:29:24]  And he expects us to be like, well, that hallowed stories institution?
[00:29:29]  Well, if they didn't investigate it, then it must not have happened, which contradicts a couple of things that David Levitt did in his career.
[00:29:38]  So later that same day, Mike Smith holds a press conference.
[00:29:42]  Stop.
[00:29:42]  Okay.
[00:29:42]  Mike Smith.
[00:29:44]  Who is he?
[00:29:44]  He is the sheriff of Utah County.
[00:29:47]  Exactly.
[00:29:48]  He holds a press conference claiming that there were no leaks from the office and that David Levitt has not been named.
[00:29:54]  It should be noted that Mike Smith, the sheriff of Utah County, and David Levitt, the DA of Utah County.
[00:30:02]  Exactly.
[00:30:03]  Do not like each other.
[00:30:04]  No.
[00:30:04]  And that Mike Smith, the sheriff of Utah County, has endorsed Utah Assistant Solicitor General Jeff Gray, who's running against Levitt.
[00:30:12]  Jeff Gray, not spelled the British way.
[00:30:14]  Yes.
[00:30:17]  So, obviously, he says there's no leaks.
[00:30:20]  He says that maybe we've spoken to Nicholas Rossi, but we're not colluding with him in any way.
[00:30:25]  But clearly, there are leaks as the Fox affiliate, Adam Herberts, the report.
[00:30:29]  Her bets.
[00:30:30]  Herbetts, Herbert's.
[00:30:33]  Obviously, he attained the report in full.
[00:30:35]  That could only have come from the Sheriff's Department or perhaps somebody in the attorney's office who's maybe colluding with the Sheriff's Department.
[00:30:43]  And a couple of days later, this is another data point that should be added here.
[00:30:47]  Adam Pomeroy, who's another one of the candidates.
[00:30:50]  Adam Pomeroy?
[00:30:51]  How is it that every one of these names, you can't remember any of them?
[00:30:55]  Yeah, yeah, I know.
[00:30:57]  Adam Pomeroy.
[00:30:58]  Adam Pomeroy, who is another one of the candidates in the DA's race, drops out and throws his support behind Gray.
[00:31:05]  Interesting.
[00:31:06]  What's more interesting is that Pomeroy had been a member of the now disbanded special victims unit of David Levitt's office.
[00:31:16]  What's going on here?
[00:31:17]  Yeah, what the fuck is going on here?
[00:31:19]  Okay, so to kind of break down what we believe is really going on, we should start by talking about who actually some of these people are in depth.
[00:31:31]  And we got to begin with David Levitt because the thing is, I'll say a couple people tried to kind of get us to look at what was going on here.
[00:31:39]  You got really into it.
[00:31:41]  Yeah.
[00:31:41]  I was like, probably like how the listeners are, but I was like, this is confusing.
[00:31:44]  I don't understand what's going on.
[00:31:45]  But I'm going to keep listening to Brace because one, I'm a good friend and I don't just turn my back on him.
[00:31:50]  She's an empath.
[00:31:52]  And two, you know, people have told me that.
[00:31:57]  Really?
[00:31:57]  You've been told that before this?
[00:31:59]  That's okay.
[00:32:02]  And two, you know, I got nothing else going on.
[00:32:06]  So I got to be much of a listener.
[00:32:08]  I got to, you know, see this thing through.
[00:32:10]  So here's the thing.
[00:32:12]  Every single one of these characters is fucking weird as shit.
[00:32:16]  They're freaks.
[00:32:16]  They're all freaks.
[00:32:18]  None of it makes any sense.
[00:32:20]  Like, here's the thing.
[00:32:21]  Even if there was no child, ritual child sex abuse going on here.
[00:32:25]  Yes.
[00:32:26]  They're all still freaks.
[00:32:27]  It's all like literally, if you live in Utah.
[00:32:31]  You should move.
[00:32:32]  Yeah, it seems like a weird place.
[00:32:34]  Weird stuff's going on.
[00:32:35]  It's not like we.
[00:32:36]  It's not in a cool, like, lynchian, like, oh, it's like the dark forest.
[00:32:41]  Like, it's just, it's like, I don't, something's wrong.
[00:32:44]  Like, they're like, you know, doing ritualistic shit at like HOAs.
[00:32:48]  Yeah.
[00:32:48]  I mean, there's definitely, listen, there's something in the water there.
[00:32:52]  Oh, my God.
[00:32:53]  Yeah, salty.
[00:32:55]  I just took a huge gulp of Fiji myself because it is going to be a wild ride through David Levitt's life.
[00:33:02]  So David Levitt, you might be surprised, is not Jewish.
[00:33:06]  Although he's Mormon.
[00:33:08]  Yes.
[00:33:09]  But Levitt, you know.
[00:33:12]  All right.
[00:33:13]  No, so David Levitt is like every single other person.
[00:33:17]  I haven't checked on this completely, but every person I have checked has been Mormon.
[00:33:23]  Okay.
[00:33:23]  Except for Nicholas Rossi.
[00:33:25]  Yes.
[00:33:26]  He is a standout here.
[00:33:28]  But David Levitt is a younger brother of a guy named Mike Levitt, who if you are a Utah.
[00:33:34]  I hate this.
[00:33:35]  So if you're from Utah, it's called the Utah.
[00:33:39]  Utah.
[00:33:40]  U-T-A-H-N.
[00:33:42]  Yeah.
[00:33:42]  That's it.
[00:33:43]  Just Uton.
[00:33:45]  Yeah.
[00:33:46]  Utah.
[00:33:46]  It's so awkward.
[00:33:48]  Well, that's, it's crazy because Utah's a verb, too.
[00:33:53]  Utah is when you give a minute to each of your wives, if you know what I'm saying.
[00:33:58]  All right.
[00:33:58]  You just Utahn around the room.
[00:34:00]  So David Levitt is a younger brother of a guy named Mike Levitt, who was the former governor of Utah.
[00:34:06]  And he also served as the head of the EPA during Bush's administration and Secretary of Health and Human Services as well.
[00:34:14]  I phrased that superhero.
[00:34:15]  W Bush.
[00:34:16]  W Bush.
[00:34:17]  I got to say, Mike Levitt, that is a governor's name.
[00:34:20]  Yes, yeah, yeah, 100%.
[00:34:22]  Absolutely.
[00:34:22]  Yeah, so boring.
[00:34:23]  But so the point being that, you know, he's the younger brother.
[00:34:28]  This family, and we'll talk about his dad.
[00:34:32]  This family is an old school Utah politician family.
[00:34:36]  A very old school.
[00:34:38]  Very old school.
[00:34:39]  So their dad's name is Dixie Levitt.
[00:34:42]  I'm sorry, dude.
[00:34:43]  If you come up to me, you're like, hey, my name is Dixie.
[00:34:45]  He, him.
[00:34:47]  I'm like, what, brother?
[00:34:49]  Dixie?
[00:34:51]  That's fucking crazy.
[00:34:53]  You got to start calling yourself like Dick or something like that.
[00:34:55]  I think you could be Dixie, but you have to literally be south of the Mason-Dixon line.
[00:35:00]  That's fucking.
[00:35:01]  Dixie.
[00:35:03]  Dixie, dude?
[00:35:04]  Dixie the Utah.
[00:35:06]  I mean, these people, by the way, no, they're not from the South either.
[00:35:09]  They're definitely, they're Yankees.
[00:35:12]  But yeah, Dixie.
[00:35:13]  So Dixie, Dixie Levitt was a Utah state legislator who actually owns a pretty large insurance company.
[00:35:21]  That sounds right.
[00:35:22]  And they are descendants of a guy named Dudley Levitt.
[00:35:25]  He was an original Mormon pioneer who participated in the September 11th Mountain Meadows Massacre, which killed around 120 settlers from the East Coast heading to California.
[00:35:36]  Basically, I'm, you know, maya culpa here, not super up on Utah history.
[00:35:43]  Utah and history.
[00:35:44]  Utah and history.
[00:35:45]  So only kind of have a cursory knowledge of the Mountain Meadow Massacre.
[00:35:49]  From what I understand, as I believe they were dressed up as Native Americans and they brought a bunch of Piutes with them to try to kind of blame it on the Native Americans.
[00:35:57]  So it's an original false flag.

=== Another Participant in the Massacre (06:34) ===

[00:35:59]  Yes.
[00:35:59]  Yeah.
[00:36:00]  On September 11th.
[00:36:01]  But they killed 120 men, women, and children.
[00:36:04]  And there are a lot of heroin accounts of just like baby skeletons kind of lying in the dirt.
[00:36:09]  Another participant in the massacre.
[00:36:10]  People were going crazy on the Pioneer.
[00:36:12]  Oh, yeah.
[00:36:12]  Like that whole track.
[00:36:14]  Well, the Utah's, too.
[00:36:15]  They're almost losing their mind.
[00:36:16]  They should have brought down the full weight of the federal government and stamped that shit out because those people.
[00:36:22]  Psychos.
[00:36:23]  Yeah.
[00:36:23]  Another participant was a guy named Jacob Lee Hamblin, who was an early Mormon.
[00:36:29]  I'm sorry.
[00:36:29]  What was that last name?
[00:36:30]  Jacob Lee Hamblin.
[00:36:32]  Okay.
[00:36:33]  And he was not actually, I believe, a participant in the massacre itself, but he participated in the lead up to it and might have done it maybe himself.
[00:36:40]  Who knows?
[00:36:41]  And I'm not entirely sure that he's related to David Hamblin, but you know what?
[00:36:47]  I bet he is.
[00:36:48]  Yeah, it feels right.
[00:36:49]  Anyways, Levitt was elected as Utah County Attorney in 2018.
[00:36:55]  So he's only been in this position for, well, four years, a full term.
[00:37:00]  But it's worth paying attention to his life prior to 2018 because there's kind of a lot there.
[00:37:07]  So while Juwab County Attorney, he had a public change of heart about the practice of polygamy when he prosecuted and persecuted well-known polygamist Tom Green.
[00:37:22]  Now, okay.
[00:37:23]  I cannot believe Tom Green was doing that shit.
[00:37:26]  This is not the Tom Green.
[00:37:28]  His craziest prank yet.
[00:37:30]  Yeah.
[00:37:31]  But no, this was like a big deal polygamist in, I mean, in the state.
[00:37:38]  People knew.
[00:37:38]  I mean, he's a big power player.
[00:37:40]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:37:40]  He had like a shit ton of sister wives.
[00:37:43]  Yeah.
[00:37:44]  Like three sets of three sister wives.
[00:37:47]  Really?
[00:37:47]  I think it was three sets.
[00:37:48]  He was doing tries, trios?
[00:37:50]  It was either three sets or two sets of four.
[00:37:53]  Oh, he's doing quads.
[00:37:55]  Yeah.
[00:37:55]  All right.
[00:37:56]  Well, that makes more sense.
[00:37:57]  Easier to handle.
[00:37:58]  Just off.
[00:37:59]  They play those two groups off each other.
[00:38:01]  He also like married all of them when they were 13 and 14.
[00:38:04]  Yes.
[00:38:04]  Well, funny you say that because while David Levitt prosecuted Tom Green, his son, William Green, was defended by David Levitt when he was busted in 2007 at the age of 19 for having sex with a 13-year-old he met on MySpace.
[00:38:23]  And he got busted for this.
[00:38:25]  Guess what his jail sentence was?
[00:38:28]  What?
[00:38:29]  180 days in jail.
[00:38:32]  13-year-old.
[00:38:33]  Yeah.
[00:38:34]  And he was defended by David Levitt.
[00:38:36]  Interesting.
[00:38:37]  It's very weird.
[00:38:38]  So David Levitt prosecuted the dad, defended the son.
[00:38:42]  Yes.
[00:38:42]  And there's kind of a lot of talk and rumors in Juab County about the Levitt family's closeness to the Green family as well.
[00:38:51]  Interesting.
[00:38:51]  But post-conviction of Tom Green or prior?
[00:38:55]  Pre-conviction.
[00:38:56]  Interesting.
[00:38:57]  Yes.
[00:38:58]  Tom Green was like very public-facing polygamist.
[00:39:01]  He was.
[00:39:01]  And so I think they were kind of forced to bust him.
[00:39:04]  But like, I mean, fuck, Levitt brought his wife out to meet them.
[00:39:08]  Wow.
[00:39:09]  Which is, I mean, I got to say, I'm trying to get a bunch of sister wives.
[00:39:12]  I'm not bringing my old lady to meet a bunch of fucking meeting a bunch of sister wives.
[00:39:15]  She'll be like, this sucks.
[00:39:16]  Like, Zendaya is here.
[00:39:18]  Fucking Bashinko Kelly's wife is here.
[00:39:21]  Like, I thought he was married to her.
[00:39:23]  Braces?
[00:39:25]  Anyways, he says this experience, not that particular experience, but his experience as Juwab County Attorney.
[00:39:31]  I hate Juwab.
[00:39:32]  I hate Juwab County.
[00:39:35]  With my wives in Juwab County.
[00:39:40]  So he's like, fuck, this sucks.
[00:39:42]  Like, I don't even know.
[00:39:43]  Like, I'm so just like conflicted and confused all the time.
[00:39:45]  Like, do I like polygamy?
[00:39:47]  Do I hate polygamy?
[00:39:48]  I don't know.
[00:39:49]  I'm going to go to somewhere where that's more normal, which is Ukraine.
[00:39:53]  So he flies to Ukraine in the early 2000s as a volunteer with the American Bar Association to advise the Ukrainian Supreme Court during the election between Viktor Yushchenko and Viktor Yakunovich.
[00:40:08]  Okay, so real quick, the ABA, the American Bar Association, actually asked him to go to Ukraine to basically advise Ukrainians on how to restructure their legal system to be more like the American system and less like the Soviet system.
[00:40:27]  Absolutely, yes.
[00:40:28]  So for just when you think the ABA can't get worse, because my thing is, Troika's fantastic system, don't get rid of it.
[00:40:37]  That's crazy that they would not be in this position that they're in today if they're still Troikas.
[00:40:42]  So he goes ahead and he's advising the Supreme Court.
[00:40:46]  His office overlooks the Maidan, by the way.
[00:40:49]  Yes.
[00:40:49]  He advises the Supreme Court.
[00:40:51]  And famously, during that election, when they annul the results of the runoff and order a revote and Viktor Yushchenko wins the election.
[00:41:02]  Well, that's very weird.
[00:41:03]  Very weird.
[00:41:05]  I mean, he actually, what's funnier is that he actually stays really good friends with Yushchenko.
[00:41:10]  Like, he's his boy.
[00:41:11]  He's like, oh, no, like, don't worry.
[00:41:13]  Like, I totally know a good skin guy.
[00:41:16]  Like, have you been to LA?
[00:41:18]  Yeah, you need a little detox program.
[00:41:20]  Yeah, exactly.
[00:41:22]  So they actually, there's pictures of them together at their home, I think, Yushchenko's home last year.
[00:41:28]  So they're like still hanging out all the time.
[00:41:30]  After the Orange Revolution, during which time Levitt briefly leaves.
[00:41:36]  He goes to Czech Republic with his family and then like heads back.
[00:41:39]  Czechia.
[00:41:41]  We don't call it that on this podcast.
[00:41:43]  And then comes back where he founds the Levitt Institute for International Development, which is one of the sponsors of today's program.
[00:41:50]  I call it the Lid.
[00:41:52]  It is the Lid.
[00:41:53]  Lid.
[00:41:54]  Lid.
[00:41:55]  So they work very closely with USAID.
[00:41:57]  Ah, also sponsors of this podcast.
[00:41:59]  Yes.
[00:42:00]  And they bring Western legal officials over to train Ukrainians.
[00:42:04]  They now operate in several Eastern European countries.
[00:42:07]  And in fact, Levitt basically lived in Ukraine up until 2018 in Kiev.
[00:42:12]  Okay.
[00:42:12]  And there's a host of articles about his quick return to the country to close up some affairs at the beginning of the Russian invasion.
[00:42:21]  Oh my God.
[00:42:22]  Yes.
[00:42:22]  Very weird.
[00:42:23]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:42:24]  Very, very, very strange.
[00:42:25]  So what's even stranger is his wife, Shalom, who, by the way, is also, he is saying, is named in this report.

=== Shalom And Brigham (03:49) ===

[00:42:33]  She is a sex therapist at Brigham Young University.
[00:42:36]  Yeah.
[00:42:37]  Yeah.
[00:42:38]  Yes, she is.
[00:42:39]  Her name, by the way, Shalom.
[00:42:40]  It's spelled C-H-E-L-O-M.
[00:42:44]  Dude, Mormons are Jews.
[00:42:46]  They literally are Jews.
[00:42:49]  They call you guys Gentiles.
[00:42:53]  Yeah, they call non-Mormons Gentiles.
[00:42:55]  I didn't know that.
[00:42:55]  Yeah.
[00:42:56]  And, well, actually, everyone's Mormon because they can baptize you after you're dead.
[00:43:00]  So any, like, prominent person— Wait, what?
[00:43:02]  How can— You didn't know that?
[00:43:03]  No.
[00:43:04]  And Frank's Mormon.
[00:43:05]  Hitler, also Mormon, I assume.
[00:43:07]  Everyone's Mormon.
[00:43:08]  Genghis Khan, Mormon.
[00:43:10]  Fucking Lincoln, Mormon.
[00:43:12]  Marilyn Monroe, Mormon.
[00:43:15]  Who else?
[00:43:15]  Zendaya, Mormon.
[00:43:17]  Machine Gun Kelly, Mormon.
[00:43:18]  These people are all Mormon.
[00:43:19]  Machine Gun Kelly could be Mormon.
[00:43:21]  But yeah, they baptize people after they're dead.
[00:43:24]  That seems fucked up.
[00:43:25]  I think they did baptize.
[00:43:26]  I don't know.
[00:43:27]  This is.
[00:43:28]  But in keeping with Mormon tradition, also non-consensual.
[00:43:32]  Yeah.
[00:43:32]  Yes, very true.
[00:43:34]  So she's a sex therapist and family health professor at Brigham Young University.
[00:43:38]  My alma mater.
[00:43:39]  Yes.
[00:43:40]  And I do want to be clear.
[00:43:41]  I think she is basically an advisor on soaking.
[00:43:46]  Excuse me?
[00:43:46]  Yeah, soaking.
[00:43:49]  Of the soap.
[00:43:50]  What soak is what is this?
[00:43:52]  What is this?
[00:43:53]  So, okay, you know how sex is like you couldn't do that before you're married with penis and vaginas.
[00:44:01]  Okay.
[00:44:02]  So imagine if you're like, what if I just get a boner and then you're just on it, but I don't move.
[00:44:08]  What?
[00:44:09]  What do you mean on it?
[00:44:10]  So like, well, okay.
[00:44:11]  Well, all right.
[00:44:12]  This is deep, deeper lack of knowledge.
[00:44:14]  And I'm not sure that.
[00:44:17]  This, I think this, this, like, I, okay, wow.
[00:44:22]  So I think this, I mostly have always pictured this.
[00:44:25]  It's like a soak happens down down.
[00:44:28]  Well, like it's a dipping situation.
[00:44:31]  It could be a dipping.
[00:44:32]  You're soaking into something.
[00:44:33]  You don't like soak.
[00:44:35]  You know what I'm saying?
[00:44:35]  Yeah.
[00:44:36]  Well, soak up is actually a phrase.
[00:44:38]  I know, but it's not the right thing.
[00:44:41]  You're not actually trying to absorb the moisture.
[00:44:44]  Like, you don't actually need to.
[00:44:45]  It's like a, it's like a, you know, you dip in at dip out.
[00:44:48]  I'll be real.
[00:44:49]  It's, I'm, let me just say any kind of wet things, not really my fucking, that's not really what I've my experience.
[00:44:57]  But so what you do is like you're a Mormon guy and you're a Mormon girl and you're a guy and you get a, you get an erection and then you put it in the vagina, but then you don't move.
[00:45:07]  But then if you got friends, if your boys are like actually your friends instead of fake friends, which there are a lot of, especially in fake-ass places like LA, they come over and then they jump on the bed next to you in tandem, simulating the.
[00:45:24]  But because people aren't actually doing it, it doesn't count as it's like, I'm sorry, like if you know, it's like an earthquake or something.
[00:45:31]  It's like a natural thing.
[00:45:32]  My question, why is it called soaking?
[00:45:35]  Well, that seems pretty self-explanatory by the act.
[00:45:39]  So I, and I don't really feel comfortable completely explaining to you why that is named that.
[00:45:47]  But because of, you know.
[00:45:50]  Okay.
[00:45:51]  Yeah.
[00:45:52]  Anyways, so I'm assuming that Shalom Levitt does that.
[00:45:57]  This is what they teach at that school.
[00:45:59]  I don't know that, but I'm kind of extrapolating.
[00:46:01]  If you have been to this school and or have soaked, please DM Brace Belden.
[00:46:06]  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:46:07]  They should also call the sex department Brigham Hung University at there.
[00:46:11]  That's not very good.
[00:46:12]  That's not good at all.
[00:46:13]  I'm sorry about that.
[00:46:15]  We're doing it live, baby.
[00:46:16]  We'll do it live.
[00:46:17]  Fuck it.
[00:46:18]  So David Levitt and her return to the country after doing whatever the fuck they were, though.

=== Peyote and Pretendians (15:34) ===

[00:46:22]  I forgot about David Levitt.
[00:46:23]  Exactly.
[00:46:24]  Well, when you spend a couple seconds with Shalom, believe me, you can't think of anything else.
[00:46:29]  He wins the Utah County Attorney's Race in 2018.
[00:46:34]  And then two years later, he actually tries to run for in the Republican primary for the Utah Attorney General, but he loses.
[00:46:41]  So he is actually being assailed by his opponents as a woke, chase of Boudin style progressive prosecutor.
[00:46:47]  Is he?
[00:46:48]  He's not, though.
[00:46:49]  No, not at all.
[00:46:51]  He actually is just like the sheriff hates him and he's like trying to minorly, he's not even like a cash bail reform guy.
[00:46:57]  He is a cash bail reform guy, but he's not like an eliminate cash bail guy at all.
[00:47:03]  He just wants to make like very minor prosecutorial reforms that he brands as actually conservative, but his opponents are branding as progressive.
[00:47:12]  Radical.
[00:47:14]  He also, and this is a very important data point, disbanded the special victim's office of the county attorney in 2020.
[00:47:24]  Yeah, we mentioned this briefly.
[00:47:28]  We mentioned at least SVU briefly.
[00:47:30]  Yeah.
[00:47:31]  And when we were trying to figure out what was going on here, it's a little confusing because you hear DA char, like rumors about the DA involved with sex crimes and he disbanded the sex crimes unit.
[00:47:45]  You think, well, open and shut case.
[00:47:48]  No, no, no.
[00:47:50]  That's where you're wrong.
[00:47:51]  Apparently, he disbanded the SVU because they were not, there was like such a large backlog of rape kits that needed to be tested, like decades and decades and decades.
[00:48:04]  Yeah.
[00:48:04]  And they weren't doing any of it that he was like, you're all fired.
[00:48:09]  Yeah.
[00:48:10]  We're getting rid of this and we're doing it my way.
[00:48:12]  Yeah.
[00:48:13]  Well, he only fired a few people, but he disbanded.
[00:48:16]  He made everyone else just like go to other prosecutorial units.
[00:48:19]  But he totally dismantled the SVU.
[00:48:22]  Yes.
[00:48:23]  And they are an important little, there's an SVU current in the background here.
[00:48:29]  Much like when you go over to your friend's house to buy some weed off of them and they're watching it on the television.
[00:48:34]  Yeah, I love that show.
[00:48:36]  So the sheriff's department fucking hates this guy.
[00:48:39]  He also doesn't like what Levitt's kind of big bugbear is plea deals.
[00:48:43]  He doesn't like plea deals.
[00:48:44]  He thinks cases should be like the government should have to prove its case in court, which is that's what he says at least.
[00:48:50]  Hard-nosed.
[00:48:51]  Yeah.
[00:48:51]  Yeah.
[00:48:51]  And plea deals can be often very fucked up.
[00:48:53]  Yeah.
[00:48:54]  And that's also just like, yeah, a bunch of lawyers who know each other.
[00:48:57]  Yeah.
[00:48:57]  Yeah.
[00:48:57]  Getting together, doing boys' stuff, soaking.
[00:49:00]  Going to a jazz game.
[00:49:01]  Getting and, you know, getting your boys' deals.
[00:49:03]  I hate soaking with my lawyer buddies, dude.
[00:49:05]  It just seems like they're all so strict about everything.
[00:49:09]  You kind of move around once.
[00:49:10]  Everyone's like, don't do that.
[00:49:14]  Let me ask you: if it's not sex to soak, you can soak with your boys then, right?
[00:49:20]  You could.
[00:49:21]  I mean, it seems like boys are soaking.
[00:49:24]  Yeah, the boys are so good.
[00:49:34]  So, all right, so.
[00:49:36]  So Levitt has had a stern eye kind of cast on him for a while.
[00:49:39]  Fox 13 Adam Herbert.
[00:49:41]  Herbett's news organization has investigated him a bunch for dismissals of a stalking charge from a former LDS missionary companion of his brother, who was also a donor to his campaign.
[00:49:53]  And they also leaked that Levitt asked the department to dismiss a traffic stop against Levitt's handyman.
[00:49:59]  All right.
[00:50:00]  So, okay.
[00:50:01]  The sheriffs hate him.
[00:50:02]  The sheriffs despise this motherfucker.
[00:50:04]  There is like, they have like a pack against him.
[00:50:06]  Now, this is Classico style.
[00:50:09]  Classico style.
[00:50:11]  Why?
[00:50:12]  Because cops hating the DA's office.
[00:50:14]  Oh, yeah.
[00:50:15]  Classico's tale is old as time.
[00:50:17]  Exactly.
[00:50:17]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:50:18]  And I got to be real.
[00:50:19]  I honestly feel bad about doing all those car break-ins in San Francisco now.
[00:50:23]  All right.
[00:50:23]  Well, I was just trying to see if I could.
[00:50:25]  And now you're out of the town.
[00:50:26]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:50:27]  But I was just trying to see if you had good CDs.
[00:50:29]  Sure.
[00:50:30]  But, yeah.
[00:50:31]  And also if you could do it.
[00:50:32]  My bad.
[00:50:32]  And yeah, you know what?
[00:50:34]  It's more of a personal challenge.
[00:50:35]  I love the thrill of it.
[00:50:36]  I love the thrill of bipping a fucking window and getting back in there and go, ooh, you have a scarf?
[00:50:42]  Maybe it's mine now.
[00:50:46]  Want to see how I got this scarf?
[00:50:50]  So, all right.
[00:50:51]  That's one David down.
[00:50:53]  David Levitt.
[00:50:55]  That's his biography.
[00:50:57]  Now, who the fuck is this therapist who has not been named?
[00:51:00]  His name is David Hamblin.
[00:51:04]  Oh, baby.
[00:51:05]  Yes, it is.
[00:51:06]  He's at a provo.
[00:51:07]  I feel like you hear someone's out of provo, turn the other way.
[00:51:10]  Yeah, get out.
[00:51:11]  Nothing good comes out of there.
[00:51:12]  Absolutely.
[00:51:14]  He is a psychiatrist by training, apparently legit, from Arizona State University, which I feel like is the Utah of universities.
[00:51:23]  Absolutely.
[00:51:24]  And as we mentioned, he's also, according to Levitt, the quorum president when, you know, David Levitt was there in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
[00:51:36]  Yes.
[00:51:37]  So he is a member or former member now of the Church of Jesus Christ of LDS.
[00:51:43]  I don't know why I just said it's how it is.
[00:51:45]  We're just going to say LDS because it's too long to say.
[00:51:47]  Yeah, but they all say it.
[00:51:49]  I get all mush-mouthed.
[00:51:50]  Yeah.
[00:51:51]  So there's actually not a ton out there about Hamblin that I could find.
[00:51:55]  I looked up old newspaper records.
[00:51:58]  A lot of them have to do with a young guy named David Hamblin from Provo, Utah, who might be his son, but it's still kind of hard.
[00:52:05]  I looked up ancestry.
[00:52:07]  Anyways, the really pertinent stuff here is that the first real news article you can find about David Hamblin relates to a series of arrests in the early 2000s, specifically one related to his involvement in the fuck.
[00:52:20]  I knew how to pronounce this yesterday and I'm going to fuck this up today, but don't worry because nobody really involved in this is Native American.
[00:52:27]  Oklava, Oklava, it's Oklava, Earthwalks, Native American Church.
[00:52:32]  Oklava Earthwalks, Native American Church.
[00:52:36]  I want to make it clear here that David Hamblin is about as Native American as Mao Zedong.
[00:52:44]  That is to say, not at all.
[00:52:51]  So you might be like, Oklaha, Earthwalks, Native American Church, what the hell is that?
[00:52:56]  And I had the same question.
[00:52:58]  There is not a lot of non-Oklova.
[00:53:02]  Oklaha information out there, like non-Oklova provided Oklaha information out there.
[00:53:07]  So I asked friend of the show, who I didn't ask him about his name, so I'll just call him W, who is a Native American guy that I know who lives on the res and who is a, you know, knows a lot about Native issues, et cetera.
[00:53:21]  So I was like, brother, what's going on here?
[00:53:23]  This church?
[00:53:24]  He's like, we have a thing we call pretendians, which is his word, not mine.
[00:53:28]  Pretendians.
[00:53:29]  Pretendings.
[00:53:30]  Pretendians.
[00:53:31]  Pretendians.
[00:53:32]  Pretendians is what they call it.
[00:53:33]  I like that.
[00:53:33]  Pretendians.
[00:53:36]  There's a lot of fake churches like this.
[00:53:38]  Sure.
[00:53:38]  Which is basically, and this was, I think, a really big thing in the late 80s and 90s.
[00:53:42]  Right, because the law is about reservations.
[00:53:44]  Yeah.
[00:53:44]  Well, and just white guys got really into like Iron John, like what was that thing where they did like spirit yelling or whatever?
[00:53:50]  Right, right, right.
[00:53:50]  Like that kind of like fake, weird spirituality that's like also like dances with wolves.
[00:53:55]  Yeah, I've never seen it, but for sure that makes sense to me.
[00:53:59]  And I actually, I mean, I, when I was at, uh, at Sagewalk when I was younger, I got sent away to that one place.
[00:54:05]  They had a ton of fake Native American shit out there, and it was all like the most grotesque.
[00:54:10]  But there's also like, there's, there was that going on and then the cultural moment.
[00:54:14]  And then there's all of the tax breaks that get layered in to church.
[00:54:17]  So yeah, exactly.
[00:54:18]  Yeah.
[00:54:19]  And so Oklahoma is an insane topic to actually get into.
[00:54:22]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:54:23]  But it's essentially a, quote, Native American church that's open to all believers.
[00:54:28]  Pretendians.
[00:54:29]  Yes, Pretendians.
[00:54:30]  So they're into something called deep healing.
[00:54:32]  Oh, no.
[00:54:34]  You know what?
[00:54:35]  I was like, when we were, I was looking into this yesterday, I was like, I'm not going to get into whatever deep healing is.
[00:54:40]  I watched most of a pro-Oklova documentary on them called Chasing a Good Day to Die.
[00:54:46]  That sounds like a James Bond movie.
[00:54:51]  Yes, I think A Good Day to Die is a James Bond movie.
[00:54:54]  Well, there we go.
[00:54:54]  Yeah, they're trying to get to the premiere of A Good Day to Die, the James Bond movie, but they keep, it's like an amazing race style kind of watching somebody.
[00:55:01]  But it includes testimony from recovering addicts and sex abuse victims about the ceremonies helping them.
[00:55:07]  Sorry, hold on.
[00:55:08]  Are you talking about ritualized ceremonies helping them?
[00:55:11]  I am indeed talking about ritualized ceremonies helping them.
[00:55:15]  Because Hamblin gets arrested for something involving a ritualized ceremony.
[00:55:20]  That would be a button of peyote.
[00:55:23]  Okay.
[00:55:24]  So David Hamblin, the therapist that was named in one of the cases by David Levitt in that initial press conference, right?
[00:55:37]  Yeah.
[00:55:38]  Although he didn't name Hamblin.
[00:55:40]  No, but who's the therapist?
[00:55:41]  But he is the therapist, yeah.
[00:55:42]  Yes.
[00:55:45]  Was arrested for peyote possession in connection with the Oklahoma Earthwalks Native American Church, which is, from our understanding and our little boots on the ground, a Pretendian church.
[00:55:59]  Yes.
[00:56:00]  Because previously to this, he was, and this is how David Levitt knew him, a member of the LDS.
[00:56:06]  Yes.
[00:56:07]  And apparently he still was for quite a while after this, too, because he's only expelled later, if judging by if what David Levitt says is accurate.
[00:56:15]  Okay.
[00:56:16]  Question.
[00:56:17]  Brace.
[00:56:18]  Let's talk drugs.
[00:56:19]  Why is it called a button?
[00:56:20]  I don't know.
[00:56:21]  I've never done Peyote.
[00:56:22]  What?
[00:56:23]  Does it, like, come in...
[00:56:24]  Buttons?
[00:56:25]  You know?
[00:56:26]  What does that mean?
[00:56:27]  In my head, it looks like mushrooms, but that makes no sense.
[00:56:29]  It's probably, I mean, those are buttons.
[00:56:30]  But I'm talking about like, yeah, not mushrooms, like drug mushrooms.
[00:56:33]  I was thinking of like the little white guys.
[00:56:36]  Yeah.
[00:56:36]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:56:37]  Mushroom guys.
[00:56:38]  Believe me, baby.
[00:56:38]  You fucking leave those out in the sunlight enough and you eat them, something happens.
[00:56:41]  Yeah.
[00:56:42]  And a lot of white guys are coming by.
[00:56:43]  Yes, yeah.
[00:56:44]  But yes, yes.
[00:56:46]  So he is, I guess, I've never taken peyote, right?
[00:56:50]  It's not, I'm not a huge psychedelics guy.
[00:56:52]  I don't like, it's not my thing.
[00:56:55]  It's, you know what?
[00:56:56]  I got enough.
[00:56:57]  The world is my nightmare.
[00:57:00]  Already.
[00:57:00]  Yeah, already.
[00:57:01]  You don't need to go like, ooga, ooga.
[00:57:03]  See through my eyes for one day.
[00:57:05]  Well, that would be like being on peyote.
[00:57:07]  Yes, exactly.
[00:57:08]  But I do know that some people like it quite a bit.
[00:57:12]  And he was using it.
[00:57:14]  And I do believe they were actually using it in ceremonies, in ritual ceremonies.
[00:57:18]  I also believe they were probably selling it on the side for a little bit more money.
[00:57:22]  So he was saying when he got arrested, his defense was, I am training to be a Native American medicine man.
[00:57:31]  Yes.
[00:57:32]  Which is also every time I've ever gotten arrested, like when I got caught pissing public, I didn't get arrested, but I got cited for piss in public on 18th.
[00:57:41]  I was just like, no, I'm training to be a Native American medicine man.
[00:57:46]  Yeah, but that went well.
[00:57:47]  It did not go well at all.
[00:57:48]  He is not Native American at all.
[00:57:51]  The leaders of the church are, they claim, a third Native American each.
[00:57:56]  35%.
[00:57:56]  35%.
[00:57:58]  And they're eventually busted with a shit ton of peyote.
[00:58:02]  And the case actually goes all the way up to the Utah Supreme Court and they win.
[00:58:06]  Yes.
[00:58:07]  Yeah, I read the court case on this in the Utah Supreme Court, the Utah Supreme Court.
[00:58:12]  Yep.
[00:58:13]  Utah Supreme Court said basically that they were like, you know what?
[00:58:18]  Race doesn't matter.
[00:58:19]  You can be Native American.
[00:58:21]  Doesn't matter about the percentage of.
[00:58:24]  That's crazy.
[00:58:25]  You know.
[00:58:26]  Elizabeth Warren said, should have said she'd gone to BYU.
[00:58:30]  But they held it up and then they, you know, they allowed them to keep, you know, keep going.
[00:58:36]  So he's also working as a psychiatrist and therapist around this time.
[00:58:40]  Hamblin.
[00:58:40]  Hamblin is.
[00:58:41]  Yes.
[00:58:41]  And according to a man now claiming to be his former victim, who's interviewed by several news stations, but Adam Herbetz.
[00:58:51]  He used hypnosis and sexually assaulted his victims.
[00:58:54]  This guy had actually been sent to Hamblin by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints for, I think, what seems like gay conversion therapy.
[00:59:03]  Oh my God.
[00:59:05]  Yeah.
[00:59:06]  So Hamblin was hypnotizing and possibly drugging.
[00:59:11]  Those years go hand in hand.
[00:59:13]  And we've seen him with peyote before.
[00:59:15]  So I'm just going to say, I wouldn't be surprised.
[00:59:17]  Yeah.
[00:59:21]  Basically, like victims, but clients.
[00:59:24]  Yeah.
[00:59:25]  Kids that were sent to him by the LDS and then sexually assaulting them.
[00:59:29]  That is what one would gather from this.
[00:59:31]  Yes.
[00:59:32]  Okay.
[00:59:32]  I mean, allegedly, but keep in mind, by the way, this is all allegedly.
[00:59:36]  Allegedly, none of this has been proven.
[00:59:37]  Always allegedly.
[00:59:38]  This is a comedy podcast of allegedly.
[00:59:42]  It's just a parody.
[00:59:43]  Yeah.
[00:59:44]  And so he also, I mean, this is too much to get into, but he might be involved in the Sterling Van Wagonen turning himself in.
[00:59:52]  That's one of the guys who helped start Sundance.
[00:59:55]  That's another long thing to get into that we don't really have time to get into.
[00:59:59]  So in December 2012, David Hamblin was charged in Utah County with 12 counts of rape of a child.
[01:00:07]  Two counts of sodomy of a child.
[01:00:09]  One count of attempted sodomy of a child.
[01:00:11]  And two counts of aggressive aggravated sexual abuse of a child.
[01:00:16]  The child in question, at least we know one of the victims.
[01:00:18]  I don't know if we don't know who these charges are related to or if they're all related to one person, but one of them is definitely his daughter.
[01:00:28]  Oh my God.
[01:00:29]  The crimes in question, according to contemporary articles from that time period, happened 20 years prior.
[01:00:36]  So in the 1990s.
[01:00:38]  Okay.
[01:00:39]  But could have been happening up until 2010s if we're going by other information given out.
[01:00:45]  It's very vague.
[01:00:45]  And like basically none of this has been released to the public.
[01:00:50]  So what we can gather from Levitt's press conference, Hamblin's wife divorced him and he was kicked out of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
[01:00:58]  Right around this time.
[01:00:59]  Exactly.
[01:00:59]  Which was December of 2012.
[01:01:01]  And lost his therapy license.
[01:01:03]  December 2012.
[01:01:05]  Yes.
[01:01:06]  So this case was dismissed by prosecutor David Sturgil, who is another David, but this is the only time I'll say his first and last name.
[01:01:16]  Because he claimed it was difficult to amount, amass the evidence necessary to prove anything in a case so old.
[01:01:25]  Okay, now my question is this, to sum it up.
[01:01:32]  In 2012, David Hamblin, who used to be the quorum president of the LDS when David Levitt was there, was in December of 2012 charged with 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17 counts of different charges of sexual abuse of a child.

=== Victim Statement Controversy (16:12) ===

[01:01:58]  However, the case was eventually dismissed and dropped because there was just no way to prove anything in that case because the charges were related to events that happened 10 years prior, something in the 1990s.
[01:02:15]  Yes.
[01:02:16]  Now, the victim statement that was released by the Sheriff's Department in 2022 was related to this case.
[01:02:25]  Yes.
[01:02:25]  So that 151-page report that David Levitt talks about in his press conference is the victim statement from what appears to be David Hamblin's daughter detailing, again, we don't know, this has not been released to the public.
[01:02:42]  This has not been leaked to the public.
[01:02:45]  Detailing a child sex abuse ring involving, in David Levitt's own words, David Levitt, his wife, and 14 or 15 to 20 other prominent Utahns.
[01:02:58]  So one might ask, how do I know David Hamblin is the therapist?
[01:03:07]  How did I figure that out with my big genius investigator brain?
[01:03:12]  Well, I saw a series of posts by a clearly mentally ill person on Twitter and looked into the details to which they named David Hamblin.
[01:03:23]  And I looked that up and it does definitely appear from contemporaneous reports that it is absolutely the same person that is being referenced by David Levitt here.
[01:03:32]  But then I clicked on that person's website and I saw that it was a very strange website run by a man named Nicholas Rossi.
[01:03:42]  Okay, Nicholas Rossi, now, again, Nicholas Rossi named the first name named by David Levitt in that press conference, right?
[01:03:53]  He says he's apprehended a man named Nicholas Rossi.
[01:03:57]  Yes.
[01:03:58]  Okay, so who's Nicholas Rossi?
[01:04:00]  Nicholas Rossi, aka Arthur Knight, aka Nicholas Alarvidian.
[01:04:07]  No, I heard a guy pronounce it earlier, Aloverdian.
[01:04:09]  Okay.
[01:04:10]  Nicholas Alaverdian.
[01:04:13]  Also, aka Nick Allen, aka Nicholas Brown, aka Arthur Brown.
[01:04:19]  Okay, who is this person?
[01:04:20]  What do we know?
[01:04:21]  Well, so what we actually do know for a fact is that he's a 34-year-old man.
[01:04:26]  Even that is somewhat contested.
[01:04:30]  He is, by all accounts, a convicted sex offender.
[01:04:33]  He faked his own death in 2020.
[01:04:37]  And a man who says he is not Nicholas Rossi, but who people say is actually, in fact, is Nicholas Rossi and looks really, honestly, exactly like Nicholas Rossi, now lives in Scotland, wheelchair bound and with an oxygen mask on at all times.
[01:04:52]  That is a, I gotta say, you know, when we were talking about disguising the Philippines Elon Musk episode?
[01:04:57]  Sure.
[01:04:58]  Dude, oxygen masks is all-time disguise.
[01:05:00]  It's really smart.
[01:05:02]  So good.
[01:05:03]  And terrifying.
[01:05:04]  Yeah.
[01:05:05]  Oh, yeah.
[01:05:06]  I've seen it.
[01:05:07]  Because you have the, no, but I mean, that's like the vibe of like always having that thing on.
[01:05:10]  Totally.
[01:05:11]  And he's in a wheelchair.
[01:05:12]  Like, there's something very like, you know, he looks like an extra man's wife or whatever, his old lady.
[01:05:18]  Yeah.
[01:05:18]  That's a fucked up way.
[01:05:19]  He's like, God, nothing can tear us apart.
[01:05:22]  Yeah, okay, so...
[01:05:31]  So let's walk through this.
[01:05:33]  A man named Nicholas Rossi, he was arrested in Glasgow back in January of this year, so January 2022.
[01:05:40]  At the time of his arrest, he was shoeless, disguised in a blonde mustache.
[01:05:45]  He was also wearing purple polka dot silk pajamas and what has been described, although I would contest as novelty patterned socks.
[01:05:54]  Now, this is from some of the reporting at the time of his arrest, and I just want to read this out.
[01:06:00]  Urbane, dapper, and unfailingly polite, he had appeared to be every inch the English gentleman, an eccentric academic in three-piece tweeds.
[01:06:12]  He spoke with such a cut glass English accent that those around him joked he must have been a member of the royal family.
[01:06:22]  Well, I think that's insane, but something he does have in common with the royal family is that he's a rapist.
[01:06:29]  So actually, Nicholas Rossi.
[01:06:31]  On the Jubilee, no less, she says this.
[01:06:34]  It's beyond the Jubilee.
[01:06:36]  But where's the Jubilee lasts for a year?
[01:06:38]  Yeah.
[01:06:38]  Well, she deserves it.
[01:06:40]  So actually, so, okay, Nicholas Rossi, aka Nicholas Alaverdian.
[01:06:44]  I'm going to tell you right now, I'm going to be switching through those names the entire time we walk through this, and I apologize.
[01:06:50]  But also, it's a great brain exercise for you at home.
[01:06:54]  Think about it.
[01:06:56]  Put it together.
[01:06:57]  I won't.
[01:06:57]  You know what I'm saying?
[01:06:58]  Yeah.
[01:06:59]  Use your brain.
[01:07:00]  Okay.
[01:07:00]  So he's not British.
[01:07:02]  No.
[01:07:02]  Despite what the British want.
[01:07:04]  I don't, if they want to claim him, I say have at it.
[01:07:07]  You know what?
[01:07:08]  Cheery out.
[01:07:10]  He's a fucking monster.
[01:07:11]  He's actually American.
[01:07:13]  Which makes more sense.
[01:07:14]  He's from Rhode Island.
[01:07:17]  And as a kid, I mean, he says his parents were alcoholics and abusive.
[01:07:21]  I would absolutely believe that given who he is.
[01:07:26]  But he was in and out of child services all throughout Rhode Island when he was a kid.
[01:07:32]  Says he suffered years of abuse.
[01:07:34]  He sued the state for this.
[01:07:37]  But then he withdrew the claim after the state basically agreed to waive a lien in excess of 200K against any settlement proceedings he could have gotten from the lawsuit.
[01:07:48]  Well, geez, yeah.
[01:07:49]  So there was some other, you know, my man had some debts going on.
[01:07:53]  I think it should be noted too that he was sent to the famous Boys Town facility in Nebraska.
[01:07:59]  Yeah, Snup Brace will appear.
[01:08:01]  Explain.
[01:08:02]  Well, if you would like to know more about that, read Nick Bryan's book on the Franklin scandal.
[01:08:08]  Yeah.
[01:08:09]  But not the kind of place that you want to get sent to.
[01:08:11]  No.
[01:08:12]  At some point, he enrolled in like Harvard extension classes, but never actually graduated.
[01:08:17]  Regardless, he billed himself as, quote, Harvard scholar, political scientist, and sociologist.
[01:08:24]  If you go to, I mean, Harvard, I guess that.
[01:08:27]  This is such a you thing to say.
[01:08:29]  Like, well, is he?
[01:08:30]  I'm a City College of San Francisco scholar.
[01:08:32]  There you go.
[01:08:33]  Went there for like six months.
[01:08:35]  Okay, back to the rape stuff.
[01:08:36]  So in 2008, he attacked a woman in Dayton, Ohio, pulling her down the basement where he pressed her against the wall, grabbed her, and then starts jerking off.
[01:08:46]  She tries to push him away and said, and he goes, I'm almost done.
[01:08:51]  Don't be a bitch.
[01:08:52]  Jesus.
[01:08:53]  So he's a horrible guy.
[01:08:55]  He later apologizes to her and is like, I couldn't help myself.
[01:08:58]  You're so beautiful.
[01:09:00]  And then it's like, don't tell anyone.
[01:09:02]  But instead, smart girl, she goes to the police.
[01:09:04]  He gets convicted of public indecency and sexual imposition for that attack.
[01:09:09]  He files for a retrial.
[01:09:11]  Oh my God.
[01:09:12]  Yeah.
[01:09:13]  After a MySpace post surfaces, allegedly from the victim's account, basically saying that, you know, like a post on MySpace being like, I lied.
[01:09:23]  I, you know, he didn't attack me like some kind of mea culpa on the old MySpace.
[01:09:29]  He uses that, like, you know, that to file a motion to retry the case.
[01:09:34]  But the state is like, yo, let's get the computer forensics team on it just to double check some things.
[01:09:39]  And they're like, oh, no, actually, this post is faked and you wrote it, Nicholas.
[01:09:45]  So this is actually, I first looked up Nicholas Rossi.
[01:09:48]  I don't know the reason why, but he's the one familiar face in this case to me because I read about this a couple of years ago.
[01:09:56]  And it's just so insane.
[01:09:58]  Like he literally just tried to get away with being like, she just wrote that I'm innocent.
[01:10:02]  And you guys are just led by it.
[01:10:03]  And he made it up.
[01:10:04]  Yeah, fully made it up.
[01:10:05]  It's from this case that his DNA gets put in the system, and you know, he gets registered as a sex offender.
[01:10:11]  So, he tries to overturn that conviction.
[01:10:13]  He fails.
[01:10:14]  It's at this point that, like, you know, many such cases, he becomes basically a men's rights folk hero.
[01:10:21]  Yeah.
[01:10:22]  Um, which is maybe around the time that you heard about him on your forums.
[01:10:26]  No, well, okay.
[01:10:28]  Those forums are for people who really like video games.
[01:10:31]  Do we discuss other topics there?
[01:10:33]  Yes, we do, but I'm saying it's not the focus of those forums.
[01:10:37]  Well, he was posting on like incel and MRA forums, which I will say Frays does not.
[01:10:43]  Uh, he publishes this manifesto type post called My Personal 9-11.
[01:10:50]  He posts it to our men's rights.
[01:10:51]  It's now been since deleted.
[01:10:53]  He posted on Reddit?
[01:10:54]  Yeah.
[01:10:55]  Um, but actually, so it's posted to Reddit.
[01:10:59]  The admin from men's rights is like, or the like auto content moderator post bot guy is like, oh, you actually name your victim in this, and that's too spicy for men's rights.
[01:11:12]  You need to repost it taking out the girl's name.
[01:11:14]  Yes.
[01:11:15]  So, again, it's called My Personal 9-11.
[01:11:18]  It's now deleted, but this is a quote from it.
[01:11:21]  Her acts are tantamount to flying planes into my twin pillars of personal success and public service.
[01:11:29]  My goals and our aspirations crumbled to the earth, amassing a huge heap of rubble.
[01:11:36]  That's that's really something.
[01:11:39]  Yeah, I mean, that's like calling getting convicted of pushing a woman against a wall and masturbating next to her and then be like, Don't be a bitch, and then making up a MySpace post that exonerates yourself, and then getting caught doing that in court, and then calling that your personal 9-11 is that is the most red show.
[01:12:04]  He did just try to like fake a huge false flag on her.
[01:12:08]  I guess that's true.
[01:12:08]  He did try to false flag her.
[01:12:10]  So, oh, maybe he's a little more, maybe his third eye is a little more open than we thought.
[01:12:14]  Okay, in 2010, he's again arrested after police get called to his apartment in Rhode Island.
[01:12:20]  Um, someone calls in, basically, reporting a domestic disturbance, saying that a man and woman are arguing loudly.
[01:12:26]  There's like a crying baby.
[01:12:27]  The police arrive at the apartment and they can hear screaming.
[01:12:30]  A woman opens the door, and she basically has bruises all over her fucking face.
[01:12:34]  There's injuries on her neck, her arms fully, her eye is like fully swollen.
[01:12:39]  Rossi, aka Ala Verdean, I'm gonna say both, neither, both, or one or the other.
[01:12:46]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:12:47]  He's he's Ross.
[01:12:48]  Let's call him Rossi.
[01:12:49]  Okay, he gets arrested.
[01:12:51]  He's taken into custody, but as he's getting taken into custody, he starts beating his head against the back of the cruiser, and he's doing it so hard, and he won't stop.
[01:13:00]  The police have to pepper spray him to calm him down.
[01:13:02]  I mean, this is the thing about Rossi is he seems like a legitimate fucking psycho.
[01:13:07]  Not like a lot, like a psycho killer Navy SEAL like freak that we talk about, like an actual like mentally psycho creature.
[01:13:17]  Yeah.
[01:13:17]  At one point when he was a kid, there was like a congressional, like literally like a state congressman, I think, who really like took to him because he was this kid in social services.
[01:13:29]  And he was like, you know, maybe I will file adoption papers and like take this kid in.
[01:13:33]  Yeah.
[01:13:33]  And a fucking Rhode Island judge like stepped in and was like, you can't do that.
[01:13:37]  This kid is like too sick.
[01:13:38]  Yeah.
[01:13:39]  Yeah.
[01:13:39]  Which like, I don't, yeah, wrapping my head around that.
[01:13:42]  I don't know.
[01:13:42]  I mean, these places, I mean, are like, that's the thing is like a lot of these places that Rossi got sent to are like abuse factories.
[01:13:50]  Yeah.
[01:13:51]  Like in some ways.
[01:13:53]  And so, you know, it's going to fuck, it's going to fuck you up.
[01:13:56]  Like, it's, you're lucky if you don't get fucked up from this.
[01:13:58]  But he really is, I mean, he spread that around, you know, like he's, he's, he's taken it in.
[01:14:04]  He's put it on other people.
[01:14:06]  So he pleads no contest to the domestic disturbance.
[01:14:09]  In 2017, court docs get filed in Utah, basically saying he's under investigation for harassment, kidnapping, and assault, occurring in not just Rhode Island and Utah, but also Ohio and Massachusetts between 2007 and 2019.
[01:14:26]  The incident in Utah is from 2008, and that's when his ex-girlfriend says that Rossi came over to her home in Orem.
[01:14:36]  Like an Utah ass name.
[01:14:38]  That actually sounds like Orum sounds like the name of like a Utahn.
[01:14:42]  Oren.
[01:14:43]  Oren Hatch.
[01:14:44]  Yeah, but it's Orum.
[01:14:45]  Orum.
[01:14:45]  Well, that's how you say it with a Utah accent.
[01:14:47]  Okay.
[01:14:49]  Rossi is like, hey, come over.
[01:14:53]  I'm going to give you the money that I owe you because I owe you a lot of money.
[01:14:58]  Sometimes guys owe some women money, all right?
[01:15:01]  You know, it's well, instead he rapes her.
[01:15:04]  Okay.
[01:15:05]  Then he basically like tries and bars her from leaving his apartment.
[01:15:10]  Yes.
[01:15:11]  There's another police report filed in 2010 by a woman who said that he brought her to his apartment and then wouldn't let her leave.
[01:15:18]  Then another woman in that same year, who he also invited to his apartment, tried to leave when it got obviously like very weird and was physically Stopped.
[01:15:26]  Rossi said he would only let her go once she paid him back the money he spent on dinner that night and testified into a camera that she wouldn't pursue any legal action against him, saying the money she gave him was for therapy and for him due to her violent actions and her sexual addictions, which is like the fucking such a fucking Reddit assume's right.
[01:15:51]  Yeah, absolutely.
[01:15:54]  Copypasta.
[01:15:55]  Testify into a fucking camera.
[01:15:57]  So crazy.
[01:15:58]  So basically in the Utah court filings, they said that all of his crimes follow the same pattern.
[01:16:03]  Inappropriate contact ending with him threatening either to hurt himself or forcing himself onto the woman, telling the police that she was the one who victimized him.
[01:16:12]  Yeah, I mean, that seems what he's done in literally every single case here.
[01:16:15]  Is that, like he does something really fucked up and then like, either goes crazy and like tries to like blackmail or or extort or somehow like I mean, you know like he's talking, like make a woman testify into a camera, or you know when he gets actually arrested by the police banging his head against the fucking.
[01:16:33]  Yeah, I mean, the guy is a slime ball.
[01:16:36]  Yeah, but he's beyond slime ball.
[01:16:37]  He's like a pathological slime ball.
[01:16:39]  Yes, he also is like defrauding people left and right.
[01:16:43]  So basically, in early 2020, a woman named Nafsika Antiapas okay, no idea how to say this woman's name, but she's actually famous she hired a man named Nicholas Knight Brown to promote the fourth season of her television show on AE, which is called Plant Based by Nafsika.
[01:17:06]  Join us on Plant Based with me, your host, Nafsika.
[01:17:10]  So she hired him yeah, to promote this show, which is absolutely makes zero sense.
[01:17:19]  Why doesn't a E?
[01:17:21]  It's on T, isn't it on TV?
[01:17:23]  Yes, she found him on one of those like for hire freelancer.
[01:17:29]  Yes yeah websites, and he was posing as a name named Nick, as a man named Nicholas Knight Brown.
[01:17:36]  So he's just mixing and matching his fake.
[01:17:38]  He's, yeah, he's a mix and matcher.
[01:17:40]  Yeah, and he's like, for sure, I'll do all of the promotion for you.
[01:17:44]  The fourth season of your television show on AE, which is called plant based BY Nafsika I mean, it sells itself.
[01:17:50]  That's basically no work at all.
[01:17:52]  It's and she's like, great, you seem totally legit.
[01:17:57]  Yeah, gives him a hundred thousand dollars a year salary.
[01:18:01]  I'm sorry, plant based what?
[01:18:03]  Yeah, just to promote it.
[01:18:05]  Yes, now he does nothing.

=== How Dylan Got the Info (12:45) ===

[01:18:09]  All right yeah, wow.
[01:18:11]  And she's like, wait a second, where is, where's all the stuff you promised me?
[01:18:15]  He goes silent That same year, he starts telling people that he's diagnosed, he's been diagnosed with Non-Hodgkin's lymphoma.
[01:18:24]  Yes, yes.
[01:18:25]  And a month after he starts telling people that, local newspapers start reporting that he's died.
[01:18:30]  There's even like an AP, like the AP published an obituary entitled Child Welfare Activist Dies of Cancer with comments from family members.
[01:18:39]  There was like a note about his ashes being spread out in the sea.
[01:18:42]  Oh my god.
[01:18:43]  And that his final words were, and this is, quote, fear not and run towards the bliss of the sun.
[01:18:51]  Now, that press release and those notes and quotes and all of that was sent to the papers by something called the office of Nicholas Aliverdian.
[01:19:02]  Jesus Christ.
[01:19:04]  But none of that matched up with any actual death records.
[01:19:08]  Even though this was all out in the papers.
[01:19:10]  In the AP.
[01:19:11]  In the AP, all this stuff.
[01:19:13]  Like no one could actually verify anything.
[01:19:16]  And here's the thing.
[01:19:17]  At the time of this death, this dude was actually being investigated by the FBI for fraud.
[01:19:23]  And Rhode Island had issued a warrant for his arrest because he had refused to register as a sex offender.
[01:19:29]  Jesus Christ.
[01:19:30]  So this was fake news published by some of our most reputable news organization obituary sections.
[01:19:36]  Yes.
[01:19:36]  And you can just, I'm sorry.
[01:19:38]  You can just do that?
[01:19:39]  I don't know.
[01:19:40]  If I just like write a letter to like the Tampa Bay Times Herald and I'm like.
[01:19:46]  No, but you don't have a footprint in Tampa Bay.
[01:19:48]  No, but I'm not even talking about me, but I'm like, oh.
[01:19:51]  No, I was going to say, maybe we should try and fake your death.
[01:19:54]  No, dude, we should try to fake someone's death that we don't know.
[01:19:57]  Like, we should pick a stranger to torment.
[01:19:59]  No, because then the stranger can just show up and be like, paper, I'm not dead.
[01:20:01]  No, we'll be like that.
[01:20:02]  We hide you.
[01:20:04]  We'll hide you for 10 years.
[01:20:08]  10 years?
[01:20:11]  Well, you got to commit to the bid.
[01:20:13]  Well, commit to the bit?
[01:20:15]  But I don't want that.
[01:20:16]  What's the payoff?
[01:20:17]  Well, we see if it works.
[01:20:20]  I guess.
[01:20:21]  You know, you seem to be.
[01:20:22]  You got to be scientific about these things.
[01:20:24]  There's a method that you have to follow.
[01:20:26]  Can we say I did something cool?
[01:20:27]  Like, me and Machine Gun Kelly were like, I don't know, snowboarding.
[01:20:31]  I think it should be prostate cancer.
[01:20:33]  Prostate cancer?
[01:20:33]  Dude, I don't even know what a prostate is, and you know that.
[01:20:36]  Because I don't know why guys would even have them and women don't if they're in the butt.
[01:20:41]  I mean, women got that shit too.
[01:20:44]  It's fucking.
[01:20:46]  Well, this didn't work.
[01:20:47]  This plan didn't work for Rossi because the state keeps looking for him and the feds.
[01:20:52]  And they had a couple of clues.
[01:20:53]  So his foster mother, who Rossi had defrauded by opening up a bunch of credit cards under her name and racking up like $200,000 in debt, she read the obituary and was like, that's weird.
[01:21:06]  This is exactly how my foster son used to write.
[01:21:10]  And it's like, no, he wrote this about himself.
[01:21:13]  And then his lawyer is like, man, it's weird that Rossi announced that he had non-Hodgkin's lymphoma and then died right after I told him that the FBI was investigating him.
[01:21:26]  Yeah, you don't generally, I mean, that's a, you know, that's coincidences, stranger things have happened.
[01:21:31]  The other thing is that the website Wikipediocracy tracked down multiple accounts that were editing the Nicholas Aloverdian Wikipedia page after his death.
[01:21:44]  And they were convinced that it was Aloverdian himself because at one point they even tried to replace the photo that's on Wikipedia of him with a different man.
[01:21:55]  And I gotta say, this guy, for being a guy who's mostly famous for just getting in trouble, has a extensive Wikipedia.
[01:22:03]  He obviously has like managed his own Wikipedia because it's all about billing him as a child's rights activist.
[01:22:12]  Yeah, yeah, yeah, I guess that's true.
[01:22:13]  Yeah.
[01:22:14]  Yeah.
[01:22:14]  But not a lot about the whole rape thing.
[01:22:16]  He mentions it, but because now, cut two, Rossi is finally arrested.
[01:22:22]  Now, where is he arrested?
[01:22:24]  He's arrested in the COVID ward at Queen Elizabeth University Hospital.
[01:22:29]  They basically were able to identify him as Rossi, even though he continues to maintain that he is not Nicholas Rossi, that he's not Nicholas Aloverdian by tattoos that U.S. cops had photographed during his initial arrest back in like 2008.
[01:22:45]  He had like, I guess he has like scars on his body from him like trying to remove his tattoos himself.
[01:22:52]  Like this man is committed.
[01:22:53]  Yeah, just get another tattoo over it.
[01:22:56]  He attends a bail hearing like from his COVID bed and the bail like a Zoom bail hearing and the fucking very stupid British justice system is like, we're going to give you bail.
[01:23:12]  You seem okay.
[01:23:13]  Yeah, yeah, you seem like a good, you seem like a good bug.
[01:23:15]  Yeah.
[01:23:16]  So at that point, he just runs away.
[01:23:21]  He doesn't show up to the next hearing in Edinburgh.
[01:23:24]  They finally find him in Glasgow.
[01:23:27]  That's when they take him in when he's in the wheelchair in the silk pajamas with the non, in my opinion, novelty print socks.
[01:23:34]  And he still, again, maintains that he is not Nicholas Rossi or Nicholas Aloverdian, but is in fact a man who's British named Arthur Knight.
[01:23:43]  And so that's the wild thing.
[01:23:45]  I mean, so he, if you look at old pictures of Rossi and new pictures of Rossi, he looks very different because he's gained quite a few pounds in an effort to disguise himself.
[01:23:53]  He also wears a mask, an oxygen mask.
[01:23:57]  Oxygen mask, not COVID mask, like full-on with the tank.
[01:24:00]  Oxygen mask.
[01:24:01]  He's fucking blue velveting this shit.
[01:24:03]  Absolutely.
[01:24:06]  Get rid of your fuck, you fuckers fucker.
[01:24:09]  But the wildest thing is like he is so clearly is Nicholas Rossi.
[01:24:14]  Yes.
[01:24:14]  But he's still being like, I'm just a British chap named Botha Knight.
[01:24:18]  Like, I don't know what all this is.
[01:24:19]  But Arthur Knight hates David Levin.
[01:24:35]  So here's where it gets even weirder.
[01:24:37]  Because it's alleged that Nicholas Rossi actually runs a kind of, let's say, Bob Dylan truther site.
[01:24:48]  That is absolutely the way to say it.
[01:24:51]  Yes.
[01:24:52]  Now, Brace, can you explain to our dear listeners as our in-house rock and roller, what a Bob Dylan truther site would entail?
[01:25:01]  So they're like, is Bob Dylan's song about Israel, Neighborhood Bully, actually one of the greatest songs of the 20th century?
[01:25:09]  It's so fucking good.
[01:25:10]  And by the way, it's just, if you read the lyrics to Neighborhood Bully, you're like, this man is probably a once in a million years poet.
[01:25:16]  I mean, it's just incredible.
[01:25:18]  No, there was, and I remember when this happened, and it was like, it made headlines for about two days and then it got dismissed pretty quickly.
[01:25:28]  But Bob Dylan was accused by a woman, and I haven't looked it up since I read about it originally.
[01:25:34]  So this is from memory.
[01:25:35]  Bob Dylan was accused by a woman of having raped her when she was 12 in the 1960s.
[01:25:42]  Yes.
[01:25:43]  I believe at the Chelsea Hotel.
[01:25:45]  I think that's right.
[01:25:46]  But it turns out that when she said that it happened, Bob Dylan was actually in the UK when the famous documentary about him was being made.
[01:25:56]  Yeah.
[01:25:56]  So it's alleged that Nicholas Rossi basically posted abusive content online about that woman.
[01:26:04]  Yes.
[01:26:06]  She's identified in the court documents only by the initials JC.
[01:26:12]  She's pursuing her case.
[01:26:13]  She's still pursuing the case, I believe.
[01:26:15]  She is?
[01:26:15]  Yeah, against Dylan in the U.S. Her lawyers say that they tried to track down the person who was publishing her identity online.
[01:26:24]  Yeah, because it wasn't anywhere.
[01:26:26]  It wasn't anywhere.
[01:26:27]  Like I said, the only way she was identified was as JC in the court documents, but somehow like her full name was published online.
[01:26:38]  They were able to trace it to a website and they have been trying, her lawyers have been trying to track down and figure out who this person who was posting all this stuff was and where they fucking got it.
[01:26:51]  Yeah.
[01:26:53]  Now, their lawyers, you know, again, they still have not been able to figure out who it was.
[01:26:58]  The only way they were able to connect it to Rossi was after they were approached by it by our favorites, the Daily Mail.
[01:27:08]  Oh, hello.
[01:27:09]  Her lawyers are like, we stopped trying to figure out who was posting all this info because actually, weirdly enough, all of the posting stopped back in September of 2021, which is coincidentally, little gumshoes out there, the same time that Nicholas Rossi got sick with COVID and was put in the COVID ward in good old England.
[01:27:32]  Interesting.
[01:27:34]  Now, when I say it gets weird, this is where it gets really weird.
[01:27:39]  We don't actually know what that website is.
[01:27:41]  Yeah.
[01:27:42]  Because again, in an effort to like protect this girl's name, this woman's name who was alleging that Bob Dylan assaulted her.
[01:27:51]  Like none of these, even the tabloids, and especially the British ones, because I got to be real careful about the old gavel gavel coming down on them.
[01:28:00]  They're not publishing anything that can link to, like, link to actually her name.
[01:28:04]  They're not trying to publish any victims' names or anything that could be victims' names, potential victims' names, whatever.
[01:28:10]  Especially with a man as deep of pockets as Bobby Dylan.
[01:28:13]  Yes.
[01:28:14]  Now, we don't know what the website was that Nicholas Rossi was running.
[01:28:19]  I'm sure that we really could dig into it way more than we did and find it.
[01:28:24]  But when I mean like the papers aren't publishing it, I'm trying to say that like it's not out there.
[01:28:28]  It's not out there.
[01:28:29]  No.
[01:28:29]  Okay.
[01:28:29]  However, let's leave England for a second.
[01:28:33]  Let's go back to Utah.
[01:28:34]  When the Utah Sheriff announced that they were reopening an investigation into the ritual sex abuse case, immediately that day, which I believe that day was May 31st, correct?
[01:28:47]  It was, yes.
[01:28:49]  A website named Zeus News posted, I swear to God, a podcast episode on SoundCloud that has since been deleted, naming David Levitt as one of the guys in the abuse case.
[01:29:09]  Zeus News is not just a SoundCloud podcast website.
[01:29:14]  No.
[01:29:15]  It is not just a news blog website, though it is both those things.
[01:29:19]  It also has forums.
[01:29:23]  And it has a forum that posts a lot about Bob Dylan.
[01:29:28]  That's right.
[01:29:29]  Now, let's circle it back.
[01:29:32]  If it is in fact Nicholas Rossi running Zeus News, and I believe that it is, as I've listened to the podcast.
[01:29:39]  Crazy voice.
[01:29:40]  Crazy voice.
[01:29:41]  Let's insert the crazy voice.
[01:29:43]  It's insane, yeah.
[01:29:44]  Right here.
[01:29:45]  Airports around the world are seeing chaos like never before.
[01:29:50]  Families are sleeping on floors.
[01:29:52]  Flights are being cancelled in waves.
[01:29:55]  And holiday makers are standing in endless queues.
[01:30:00]  So it sounds like it is.
[01:30:02]  How did he, Nicholas Rossi, the man who is being charged and trying to be extradited to Utah by David Levitt, how did he get information about David Levitt that he leaked to literally nobody, nobody's reading Zeus News.
[01:30:21]  Nobody's listening to Zeus News.
[01:30:22]  There's six listens on the podcast.
[01:30:25]  The only way I found that was that it's linked on, like, to Twitter on a bunch of posts, some of which are linked in the replies of Adam Herbettz of Fox News.
[01:30:35]  Affiliate.
[01:30:37]  So.
[01:30:37]  So how did he get this?
[01:30:39]  Yeah, I mean, that is a good question because obviously this report is out there, right?
[01:30:43]  And, you know, your first instinct would be like, well, the sheriff who's arresting him is.
[01:30:49]  But why would the sheriffs be talking to this psychopath rapist?
[01:30:52]  I mean, okay.
[01:30:53]  Well, clearly.

=== Utah Politics Unraveled (07:25) ===

[01:30:54]  Yeah.
[01:30:54]  Sure.
[01:30:55]  So there's something funny going on there.
[01:30:56]  But also, really?
[01:30:59]  Well, I listened to yesterday another podcast, which was an interview with David Levitt all the way back in April on an East Coast radio show.
[01:31:12]  It turns out that Nicholas Rossi, a, well, actually, excuse me, officially Arthur Knight's lawyer.
[01:31:20]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:31:21]  Is a man named Craig Johnson, who's currently in Scotland right now helping Arthur Knight, who he says, I don't think this guy's Nicholas Rossi, fight extradition.
[01:31:32]  He still, by the way, maintains that he's like he doesn't have tattoos.
[01:31:37]  He's not, he's not Nicholas Rossi.
[01:31:39]  No.
[01:31:39]  Just fully.
[01:31:41]  Fully just fully.
[01:31:42]  It's just, he's just denying, denying, denying.
[01:31:44]  Denial.
[01:31:45]  And I've actually seen zero people other than us make this connection.
[01:31:50]  Although there's not a ton of people looking into this story.
[01:31:53]  Well, maybe they will now that we've solved the case.
[01:31:56]  Now, Johnson, I think, knows a thing or two about sex crimes.
[01:31:59]  And in fact, he might know a thing or two about a specific alleged sex crime that took place in 2012 involving a therapist named David Hamblin, in which a victim statement names 15 to 20 prominent Utahns, including David Levitt and his wife.
[01:32:11]  How would he know this?
[01:32:13]  Because he's a long-serving former prosecutor with the Utah County's attorney's office and in 2010 was made a member of its special victims unit, the same special victims unit that David Levitt disbanded in 2020.
[01:32:31]  Cue the music.
[01:32:33]  So Johnson actually clashed with David Levitt after Levitt assumed command of the office in 2018.
[01:32:40]  According to his own letter, which I read on script, detailing the reasons for his resignations in 2020, because that's when he was fired slash forced to resign, he quit for two reasons.
[01:32:52]  He didn't agree with Levitt's disbandment of the SVU, and that Johnson was himself due to philosophical differences.
[01:33:01]  Well, I phrased that weird, but imagine I didn't phrase it weird.
[01:33:04]  Due to philosophical differences with Mr. Levitt, I was no longer able to fulfill commitments I made to law enforcement chiefs and officers while performing my duties as the Utah County Attorney's Office Director of Law Enforcement Relations.
[01:33:18]  Despite being ordered to do so, I refused to disclose the names of police chiefs and police officers who were contacting me with concerns about Mr. Levitt's practices and case resolutions.
[01:33:31]  That insubordination ultimately cost me my job.
[01:33:36]  Levitt's office, however, claims, and this was the claim that was repeated in the press, they fired Johnson and two other prosecutors for accepting free tickets to a Utah jazz game from a defense lawyer they had active cases against.
[01:33:51]  The same Utah Jazz that just fired their coach, Quinn Snyder, and is about to trade the sickly Frenchman Rudy Gobert.
[01:33:58]  Oh my God, this gets deeper at every shovel full of dirt.
[01:34:03]  So now he's Nicholas Rossi's defense lawyer.
[01:34:08]  Levitt says in that April interview with Gene Valicenti, an East Coast radio host.
[01:34:14]  Now there's a non-Utah name.
[01:34:16]  There we go.
[01:34:16]  Gene Valicenti or Gene Valicenti.
[01:34:20]  Good.
[01:34:20]  Feels good to be home.
[01:34:21]  Levitt says that it's no coincidence that Johnson is Rossi's lawyer and that Johnson was a plea deal guy and that prosecutors from his own office are trying to take him down.
[01:34:37]  Interesting.
[01:34:38]  So what we have here to sort of sum it up for you, I know it's a little difficult, but bear with me.
[01:34:47]  Is the DA of Utah County was implicated in an unreleased report, 151-page victim statement that was taken in 2012 by his predecessor.
[01:35:03]  The case was dismissed.
[01:35:05]  It was against David Hamblin, who did lose his license, did lose his wife, and did lose his membership of the Church of Jesus Christ and Latter-day Saints.
[01:35:15]  That report somehow made its way into the hands of Adam Herbett from Fox 13, the local Fox News affiliate of Salt Lake City or Utah.
[01:35:28]  And somehow that same report made its way all the way across the Atlantic into the hands, or at least knowledge of the report, into the hands of Arthur Knight, aka Nicholas Rossi, aka Nicholas Alaverdian, aka Nicholas Brown, aka Nicholas Brown Knight, aka Arthur Brown Knight, Arthur Brown Knight,
[01:35:56]  Whose defense lawyer who's somehow being paid to go across?
[01:36:01]  The fucking makes zero sense.
[01:36:03]  There's no money there to represent who was a prosecutor who clashed with David Levitt in his office and who was a former member of the special victims unit during the time when this investigation happened and was fired by David Levitt in 2020 for accepting tickets to a UTAH JAZZ basketball game, which they definitely won because they're probably the best team out there.
[01:36:29]  Way better than Warriors right before an election that happens in late June, June 28th.
[01:36:39]  I don't have the number in front of me, but I said it earlier.
[01:36:42]  In which David Levitt is running against Jeff Gray, who every single person we've named save David Levitt and David Hamblin, obviously, has endorsed.
[01:36:55]  So this is a classic case of Utah politics as usual, in which rat fucking is going on from the sheriffs, from the damn prosecutor's office itself, from former prosecutors, from the media.
[01:37:09]  But also, it is, I will say within the realm of possibility that David Levitt did indeed engage in retrosistic sex abuse and possibly ate a baby.
[01:37:19]  Wait, I just got it.
[01:37:20]  Is the soaking because it's on your pants?
[01:37:33]  All right, I gotta be real.
[01:37:34]  I'm literally never going to Utah.
[01:37:36]  Never.
[01:37:37]  No, it sucks, dude.
[01:37:38]  I got COVID there, remember?
[01:37:40]  I got COVID at AlphaCon where they literally kicked us out.
[01:37:44]  I feel like that, you know, you really just walked into that.
[01:37:47]  Literally.
[01:37:48]  AlphaCon.
[01:37:49]  I want to be clear here.
[01:37:50]  AlphaCon, the bull, paid for our plane tickets, our hotel rooms in a hotel with a harp.
[01:37:55]  And then when we get there, it says we can't come in.
[01:37:57]  Yeah, I don't know any of this.
[01:37:59]  Me and 50 other guys just fucking had to soak for like four or five days.
[01:38:02]  I got COVID from it.
[01:38:04]  And HPV.
[01:38:05]  I'll be real.
[01:38:06]  In terms of this case, I mean, obviously, David Levitt is a fucking, you know, David Levitt.
[01:38:12]  He's a, he is a, let's say, an average Utah.
[01:38:15]  Very average.
[01:38:16]  Look, he's got Mormon face.
[01:38:18]  He's a Norman.
[01:38:18]  He's a normal Utah.

=== AlphaCon Vibes (02:31) ===

[01:38:20]  Even though he's got, he's trying to do the facial hair thing.
[01:38:22]  Don't let the facial hair like distract you.
[01:38:25]  Yeah.
[01:38:25]  Underneath that, Doey Mormon face.
[01:38:27]  Yes, absolutely.
[01:38:29]  I think he should probably just release that report in full because if he says it's so, yeah, I mean, maybe he should actually now say that.
[01:38:38]  That is a classic trunk.
[01:38:40]  This is one of our rallying cries, though.
[01:38:42]  Release the report.
[01:38:43]  Always release the report.
[01:38:44]  You got to release the report.
[01:38:44]  You can't keep that thing behind closed doors.
[01:38:46]  Release the report.
[01:38:48]  But it does seem like a lot of things are adding up to there is literally a conspiracy against this guy.
[01:38:55]  Whether he did it or not, the timing of this is crazy.
[01:39:00]  It's all very weird.
[01:39:01]  I gotta say, none of the, this makes me want to run away as far as I can from the West Coast.
[01:39:07]  I don't want to be near the frontier.
[01:39:08]  If this is what freedom is, shut it down.
[01:39:11]  Do not let it ring.
[01:39:13]  Do not let it sing.
[01:39:15]  I'm picking up good vibrations.
[01:39:19]  You're giving me excitations.
[01:39:22]  Good, good, good, good vibrations.
[01:39:25]  You gotta start it from the beginning if you're gonna do it, though.
[01:39:30]  I love the colorful clothes you wear and the way your sunlight plays off on your hair.
[01:39:41]  I can send them a gentleman on the way to the air.
[01:39:53]  I'm picking up good vibrations.
[01:39:57]  She's giving me the excitations.
[01:40:00]  I'm packing my good vibrations.
[01:40:02]  Good vibration.
[01:40:15]  All right, we're the Beach Boys, and my name is Brace Belden.
[01:40:19]  I'm Liz.
[01:40:20]  We are, of course, as always, joined by producer Young Jomsky.
[01:40:26]  And this has been Drunan.
[01:40:28]  We'll see you next time.
[01:40:30]  Bye-bye.
[01:40:49]  Come in.
[01:40:50]  Come in.