True Anon Truth Feed - 👁️ Ghislaine Maxwell Trial: Day 16 👁️
Aired: 2021-12-28
Duration: 28:43


=== Day 16 Of The Trial (08:42) ===

[00:00:00]  Hello.
[00:00:01]  Hi, Liz.
[00:00:02]  You sound soluphlious.
[00:00:08]  How many days has it been?
[00:00:10]  Since what?
[00:00:11]  Well, we know it's been more than 10 days.
[00:00:14]  But what day is it of the trial?
[00:00:17]  Frankly, I don't know.
[00:00:18]  I stopped writing it down.
[00:00:19]  15?
[00:00:20]  15?
[00:00:21]  What was the last?
[00:00:22]  No, way more than 15.
[00:00:24]  What are we on?
[00:00:24]  17 or 18 now.
[00:00:26]  You know what?
[00:00:27]  I don't know.
[00:00:29]  Day 17 of the Ghelane Maxwell trial.
[00:00:31]  That's what day it is.
[00:00:32]  Day 18 of the Ghelane Maxwell trial.
[00:00:35]  All right, let's get going.
[00:00:53]  Day 16 of the Glenn Maxwell trial.
[00:00:56]  Like I've been saying, it's day 16.
[00:00:59]  Well, all right, before we start to get into why there's such chrono, chronological confusion.
[00:01:05]  Chrono?
[00:01:05]  Chronos.
[00:01:06]  Chronos.
[00:01:06]  No, that's not a Norwegian way of saying it.
[00:01:10]  And I prefer not to, I guess, Latin, technically, but they're the same thing.
[00:01:15]  My name is Brace.
[00:01:17]  Hello, everyone.
[00:01:17]  I'm Liz.
[00:01:18]  And of course, we have with us here producer Young Chomsky.
[00:01:22]  And the podcast is called Truanon.
[00:01:25]  Truanon.
[00:01:25]  Hello, everyone.
[00:01:26]  Time Truth.
[00:01:27]  The reason we do have such chronological, that's how it's pronounced, Liz, uncertainty here is because, frankly, days have been thrown into disarray.
[00:01:37]  Yeah, the nights start early.
[00:01:41]  The days are long.
[00:01:44]  That's what's confusing you?
[00:01:46]  Yeah.
[00:01:46]  It's like dark at four.
[00:01:48]  Yeah, no, I'm still able to tell what day it is when I don't know.
[00:01:52]  It's day three of deliberations, which, by the way, I pointed that out today in the courthouse.
[00:01:56]  I'm back in the house, baby.
[00:01:58]  I pointed that out to several reporters whose shallow name remain unnamed several times today that it was just simply day three of deliberations and everyone went, wait, really?
[00:02:11]  Well, Liz, let me tell you something.
[00:02:13]  It feels like it's day.
[00:02:15]  It's the mouthfeel of these deliberations.
[00:02:18]  The mouthfeel.
[00:02:20]  Day 10.
[00:02:21]  Yeah.
[00:02:22]  Because check this out.
[00:02:23]  First of all, no longer Judge Nathan to me.
[00:02:27]  I'm calling her Ol O L E Judge Nathan.
[00:02:30]  Ol with an apostrophe.
[00:02:31]  As if she's done me some kind of wrong at some point during the 1950s.
[00:02:35]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:02:36]  Or 1850s, really.
[00:02:38]  Yeah, if you listen to, well, I'm a bluesman.
[00:02:40]  If you listen to this podcast, Judge Nathan.
[00:02:43]  First of all, I don't think this is for you.
[00:02:45]  No, I'm just playing.
[00:02:46]  Nah, nah.
[00:02:47]  You know, I'm just playing, baby.
[00:02:48]  But second, she took, so let's be clear here.
[00:02:52]  We haven't had a full week of trial in quite some time.
[00:02:55]  In quite some time, yes.
[00:02:57]  People will remember that there was like a weird three-day intermission, which now that was literally right in between the prosecution resting and the defense beginning.
[00:03:10]  Remember?
[00:03:11]  There was a three-day little brief stint where Judge Allison Nathan had a previously scheduled professional engagement.
[00:03:20]  Yes.
[00:03:21]  That was, she tried to kind of like keep one a little under the radar.
[00:03:26]  And I, you know, in my opinion, that break benefited the defense.
[00:03:30]  Yeah, well, not as much as it should have because as Judge Nathan reminded them, they had some time to get some witnesses together that they did not get together.
[00:03:40]  Right.
[00:03:40]  But in the mind of the jury, because we had just heard from Annie, and then you have a whole break.
[00:03:45]  It's not fresh in your mind anymore.
[00:03:46]  Exactly.
[00:03:46]  And so it was like these brand new simple-minded babies, the jurors, out in the courtroom, just for like listening to someone rip apart basically the girl's testimony without having that fresh right in their brains.
[00:04:01]  Yes.
[00:04:02]  And that, while the actual reasons were never named in court, we did find out today from a shout out to Matt at Inner City Press.
[00:04:10]  Yes.
[00:04:11]  Who is fantastic follow during this and all trials, really?
[00:04:14]  Yeah.
[00:04:14]  I wanted to fix the collar of his jacket so badly, but I thought it would be inappropriate.
[00:04:18]  Well, no, the man is a first-time job.
[00:04:19]  He was tucked in.
[00:04:20]  And I just, you know, my motherhen instinct was to untuck the, you know, you want to fix the collar.
[00:04:24]  Liz has been prevented from touching men's necks for the duration of trial by orders of old Judge Nathan.
[00:04:30]  Oh, my God.
[00:04:31]  But he actually, sleuth that he is, discovered that she was in D.C. because as we've covered on this podcast, she is up for a nomination to the second circuit.
[00:04:39]  Yes.
[00:04:39]  And so that obviously, you know, coincided.
[00:04:43]  However, also the pagan holiday of Christmas came last weekend.
[00:04:50]  Yes.
[00:04:50]  Ghelaine's birthday.
[00:04:52]  They took a break for Ghelene's birthday.
[00:04:54]  By the way, happy birthday, Ghelene.
[00:04:56]  Just kidding.
[00:04:57]  You look for 60, I gotta say, you don't even need a dream of chrome, huh?
[00:05:01]  Yeah.
[00:05:02]  You look like a young 90.
[00:05:03]  Yes.
[00:05:04]  And there's going to be Thursday and Friday off this week, although.
[00:05:08]  We'll see.
[00:05:08]  We'll see about that.
[00:05:09]  We'll get to that.
[00:05:10]  Okay, so this is actually, as we have intimated, we've gestured on this very podcast.
[00:05:17]  This is my first day of actual being in the courthouse for the deliberations.
[00:05:22]  I got to say, not a lot going on.
[00:05:26]  No.
[00:05:27]  You kind of got to search for the story during this.
[00:05:31]  And search we did.
[00:05:33]  Did.
[00:05:34]  What did we do today?
[00:05:35]  Well, you don't remember?
[00:05:38]  I don't really remember.
[00:05:39]  We went to, well.
[00:05:40]  Oh, we did.
[00:05:40]  We took a long lunch.
[00:05:41]  We took a long lunch.
[00:05:42]  That was nice.
[00:05:43]  We went to World Trade Center.
[00:05:44]  The long lunch is, I think, very, you know, it's an important thing.
[00:05:47]  I felt very European.
[00:05:49]  You know what?
[00:05:49]  I want you to pause on that.
[00:05:51]  Yes.
[00:05:52]  We can, let's, we can visit him later.
[00:05:54]  Although we did have.
[00:05:56]  Okay, I'll indulge the gourmand for one moment because I wanted to bring this up.
[00:06:02]  People of the podcast listening, Bryce and I were discussing our friend the gourmand.
[00:06:09]  Anthony Bourdain.
[00:06:11]  He is neither a gourmand nor a foodie.
[00:06:14]  Think about it.
[00:06:16]  He, however, the resolution of the dialectic.
[00:06:20]  He made me a noodle once.
[00:06:24]  Yonkers.
[00:06:25]  He's like a foodie gourmand or a gourmand foodie.
[00:06:28]  He's Sigma.
[00:06:29]  He's completely, this is why they had him killed.
[00:06:32]  He was delicious to eat.
[00:06:34]  They fed me him afterwards.
[00:06:37]  He did die in France after all.
[00:06:40]  My ancient home.
[00:06:42]  So today, Liz and I did take a long lunch.
[00:06:44]  We went to World Trade Center.
[00:06:46]  Oh, yeah.
[00:06:46]  We got some lunch for World Trade Center.
[00:06:49]  Yeah, very freaking.
[00:06:49]  They tried to go to the Apple store and they were like, hey, it's going to take 45 minutes to get in because it's COVID.
[00:06:55]  They just wanted some, not even AirPods.
[00:06:58]  Liz wanted wire headphones.
[00:06:59]  Although I'll say the CBS one's been working for me.
[00:07:03]  And then we got a lunch.
[00:07:05]  And then we went to a prank store.
[00:07:09]  And we forgot the name, and it was so cute.
[00:07:12]  It was like Balloon, Crazy Balloon.
[00:07:14]  Balloon Bazaar?
[00:07:15]  Balloon Bazaar or something like that.
[00:07:16]  Something.
[00:07:17]  Listeners, it's on West Broadway.
[00:07:19]  Someone find it.
[00:07:20]  They will, easily, I'm sure.
[00:07:22]  And then...
[00:07:23]  Yeah, they had a lot of Funko Pops.
[00:07:25]  Having purchased, including Funko Pops from Pretty Woman.
[00:07:28]  And Prince William.
[00:07:29]  Yeah.
[00:07:29]  Which, I don't know if he needs one, but.
[00:07:31]  We took an unpublished soy face picture of him doing that.
[00:07:35]  No race, a rare soy brace.
[00:07:37]  You know the rule while it was on purpose, so but the rule about ironic soy faces is, ladies and gentlemen, listen to this.
[00:07:42]  If you make an ironic soy face and put it on the internet, it will be republished as a non-ironic soy face.
[00:07:50]  Famously, Matt Christman's fate.
[00:07:52]  Christman?
[00:07:53]  Why did I call him Christmas?
[00:07:55]  Good lord, lady.
[00:07:57]  Good lord, indeed.
[00:07:59]  But yes, exactly.
[00:08:01]  I've discussed this with him.
[00:08:03]  Very Christmas.
[00:08:04]  I did purchase novelty tiny penis condoms at this prank store.
[00:08:08]  Well, yeah, novelty quotation marks.
[00:08:11]  Yeah.
[00:08:11]  Jury's still out on that.
[00:08:14]  Now, the scene was us going back into the courthouse.
[00:08:17]  Quite hilarious because it turns out, my dear listeners, the joke was on brace.
[00:08:22]  I had purchased them as a prank on another, and the prank was turned on me because I had forgotten one of my many jewels in the jacket pocket.
[00:08:30]  This is a sacrificial jewel that I was bringing back through security.
[00:08:32]  You also just had dollars like flying out of your pocket.
[00:08:35]  Yeah, you know me, baby.
[00:08:36]  I just shoved a change in my pants.
[00:08:38]  That's why.
[00:08:39]  It wasn't flying out of my pocket.
[00:08:40]  I didn't even tell you security.
[00:08:42]  That's even worse.

=== Jury's Questions Revealed (15:01) ===

[00:08:43]  I know.
[00:08:43]  There's a briefcase full of crumpled $1 bills and papers.
[00:08:47]  And what cushions?
[00:08:48]  I had the small dick condoms in my jacket pocket, and I had to take the jewel out.
[00:08:53]  And that means I had to take the condoms out and the Marshals.
[00:08:58]  They had a good laugh.
[00:08:58]  Yeah, I had to do a classic Austin Powers.
[00:09:01]  It's not mine, man.
[00:09:03]  But then in my shame, in haste to exit.
[00:09:07]  Oh, yeah, you scurry away.
[00:09:08]  I tried to scurry away like a little rat.
[00:09:10]  And I had left the tiny condoms at the security desk.
[00:09:16]  The good Marshal, he came.
[00:09:18]  Hey, hey, sir.
[00:09:20]  Hey, sir.
[00:09:21]  Kind of trying to get away from it.
[00:09:22]  He didn't know.
[00:09:23]  Liz is doing a Liz is doing an over-the-hand trying to hold me motion.
[00:09:26]  No, he did it right now.
[00:09:27]  He did it very surreptitiously.
[00:09:28]  It's near to the knee.
[00:09:29]  Yeah, which is a bigger indictment.
[00:09:32]  Yeah.
[00:09:32]  He also let me hold his gun.
[00:09:33]  And I did not.
[00:09:34]  He did not think it was a joke and wanted to be, you know.
[00:09:37]  That's the kind of man I am.
[00:09:40]  So the court.
[00:09:42]  The court.
[00:09:43]  Where we were today.
[00:09:44]  Now, this jury.
[00:09:46]  Look, it's only been three days.
[00:09:47]  This is what I keep saying.
[00:09:49]  It's only been three days.
[00:09:50]  Weinstein took five days.
[00:09:51]  Yes.
[00:09:52]  But to remember, now this case, and as we've said many times on the show, is very complicated.
[00:09:57]  The charges are complicated.
[00:09:59]  The charges and the victims that they correspond to and also the victims that they don't correspond to and cannot be included is very confusing.
[00:10:07]  Yes.
[00:10:07]  There's literally 82 pages, 86 pages of instructions, over 80 pages.
[00:10:13]  So this is not an easy.
[00:10:17]  I think that, you know, look, the jury is being quite diligent, which is good.
[00:10:23]  They're crossing their T's.
[00:10:24]  They're dotting their I's.
[00:10:26]  Yeah.
[00:10:27]  But man, they are taking their time.
[00:10:30]  Perhaps they are bewitched by the lone naked breast of justice or her mysterious blindfolded eyes.
[00:10:41]  But yes, they are taking a little while.
[00:10:42]  And they passed some notes today that gave an indication that they are taking this quite seriously.
[00:10:48]  Yeah, the first note was literally, can we have some highlighters and post-its and a whiteboard?
[00:10:52]  The first note, I gotta say, made me be like, that's where we can take lunch now.
[00:10:57]  Yeah.
[00:10:59]  The first note, let me read.
[00:11:00]  Well, it was unclear if they were asking for a whiteboard.
[00:11:03]  I think they were asking for like a white, I think they wanted like a, no, like dry erase.
[00:11:08]  I don't think they want a dry erase.
[00:11:09]  I think they wanted just a white board.
[00:11:10]  They always want a dry erase.
[00:11:12]  I don't think they do, but this is.
[00:11:14]  I still think they should get some red string and kind of, you know, put together a conspiracy board.
[00:11:18]  So they asked for, yeah, colored post-its, highlighters, which I was shocked they don't have.
[00:11:22]  A board that's white, whether that's a white board or simply a white board, we don't know.
[00:11:30]  The definition of enticement and Matt's testimony that would be Jane's boyfriend, who is also under a pseudonym, so not his real name.
[00:11:40]  So the definition that they settled on for enticement was entice, attract, enticement, which is attract, induce, or lure using hope or desire.
[00:11:52]  Now, that's like way, I think that's pretty broad, I got to say.
[00:11:56]  Hope and desire, that's all over this case.
[00:11:59]  I gotta say, if enticing an adult woman was a crime, then send me up to fucking Angola, baby, because I did it.
[00:12:09]  Yeah.
[00:12:09]  Well, now we have it on record, so I'll keep that.
[00:12:12]  However, this is enticement of a minor.
[00:12:15]  Um, and this is, this is, I mean, pretty, this is pretty good for the prosecution that this is the definition sent down to them, which is, I think.
[00:12:25]  I think it is good for the prosecution that that's the definition that they sent down.
[00:12:28]  I think it's a bad sign for the prosecution that they're asking for a definition.
[00:12:32]  Yes.
[00:12:32]  Yeah, I'd agree with that.
[00:12:34]  I don't think anything that happened today are good signals to the prosecution.
[00:12:39]  No, well, to me, the colored post-its is, I can imagine, because ladies and gentlemen, these charges are complicated.
[00:12:45]  Like, we're not exaggerating.
[00:12:47]  It's not just me and Liz being dum-dums here.
[00:12:49]  You'd be surprised.
[00:12:51]  A lot of people are like, which one is, I guarantee you ask almost anybody in that courthouse a name off the top of their head what the charges are and who they correspond to and what exactly number counts they are, they'd struggle for a little bit.
[00:13:03]  But I can imagine that because of having to separate all these charges and these counts for these different women and who's disqualified from what and who corresponds to what, the color post-its would come in handy.
[00:13:14]  Or perhaps it's a girl boss type lady who prefers to color code things like her bookshelf at home and wants to have like a nice pretty rainbow of notes on the whiteboard.
[00:13:26]  Color coding a bookshelf?
[00:13:28]  It was like a girl boss thing?
[00:13:29]  That was like a whole, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:13:31]  That was that like peak girl boss was that color coding the bookshelf was very untrended.
[00:13:36]  All right, no, we have male authors on top and then at the bottom, your female authors.
[00:13:42]  Oh my God.
[00:13:43]  I'm just kidding.
[00:13:44]  I've never read a book by a woman.
[00:13:45]  That was a big thing.
[00:13:46]  Guys are like, I need to read more books by women.
[00:13:48]  What's wrong with you?
[00:13:49]  Women write a million.
[00:13:50]  Every book's written by a woman.
[00:13:51]  I don't mean you haven't read any books by women.
[00:13:52]  You should have.
[00:13:53]  I have.
[00:13:53]  Of course I have.
[00:13:54]  But you just said you didn't.
[00:13:55]  Yeah, well, I was lying.
[00:13:56]  Well, when you say don't be afraid of the children, all right.
[00:13:59]  So there was also a little dust up over Ghulane's wearing of an N95 mask.
[00:14:08]  Because now that Omicron has taken the city by storm, billions dead.
[00:14:15]  All businesses closed.
[00:14:17]  And Eric Adams is bestriding the streets, sitting across.
[00:14:22]  Bestriding.
[00:14:22]  Bestriding.
[00:14:23]  Well, he's not actually bestriding.
[00:14:24]  He's sitting like a baby on his father's shoulders on a Terminator.
[00:14:29]  That's actually the Wall Street bull that they've turned into a Terminator.
[00:14:32]  Yes.
[00:14:33]  Enforcing quarantine.
[00:14:34]  Or if I call it crime and teen.
[00:14:38]  Yeah, now we got to wear M95.
[00:14:39]  And it's way harder to jewel surreptitiously.
[00:14:42]  No.
[00:14:42]  Yeah, they're big sticklers, but I got to say, not a lot of Marshalls in the courthouse.
[00:14:46]  Not a lot of Marshalls in the courthouse.
[00:14:48]  A lot of Marshalls at home.
[00:14:51]  But yeah, none of the jurors are sick, but they were saying Bobby Sternheim stood up for her girl Ghelain and said, listen, they're giving Ghelane an N95 mask in the courtroom, but when we leave, they give her a different mask, which is weird.
[00:15:05]  Yeah.
[00:15:06]  What are they doing with that mask?
[00:15:07]  I know.
[00:15:07]  She was also wearing camel today.
[00:15:08]  Yes, camel, which someone mistakenly said was mauve, which is a completely different color.
[00:15:15]  I can't believe you made that mistake.
[00:15:16]  Oh, my God.
[00:15:18]  But they also asked for the police officer who did the search of Epstein's home.
[00:15:24]  Yeah, they're just getting everyone's testimony.
[00:15:25]  I know.
[00:15:27]  That one is curious.
[00:15:29]  Although I don't know what they're cross-referencing.
[00:15:32]  The police officer who, I mean, this was so fucking boring too when he was up there because he was spent, as listeners might recall, he spent almost his entire testimony saying, now, if you were to take a left turn due north towards the pool house, you would find on your right, I mean, it was just like mind-numbing.
[00:15:53]  He's describing the layout step by step of the Palm Beach mansion.
[00:16:00]  What this tells me, in addition to perhaps some of the other notes, is that they don't, and by they, I mean at least one juror does not believe Jane's testimony or finds conflicting, maybe has some quibbles or some questions about the consistency of Jane's testimony.
[00:16:19]  I'm not, I mean, I definitely think there's a lot to Jane's testimony, I think.
[00:16:24]  You know, it's kind of all over the place, but I don't know.
[00:16:29]  I don't know if they're like, I don't believe her, but asking for this guy's testimony, that was like.
[00:16:35]  Well, it means that they're trying to cross-check things that she said to what he said, which means that it's not going to work out for Jane.
[00:16:41]  No.
[00:16:43]  Because she made a lot of mistakes.
[00:16:45]  Yeah, I mean, it's been a long time.
[00:16:46]  I don't think any of that.
[00:16:47]  No, no, no, yeah.
[00:16:48]  I don't mean to cast dispersions here, but yeah.
[00:16:52]  I mean, I don't.
[00:16:53]  The thing is, I don't know if she made really any mistakes talking about the layout of his house.
[00:16:57]  Just probably some inconsistencies or something.
[00:16:59]  I don't know.
[00:17:00]  That's the only thing I could think of and that other people could kind of think of what would make sense that they would be trying to cross-reference.
[00:17:08]  Yes.
[00:17:09]  Now, was there another one before the final question?
[00:17:14]  Yes, there was.
[00:17:15]  And let me just flip my new little notebook.
[00:17:17]  Yeah, you got a little reporter's pad there.
[00:17:20]  And, oh my God, this is, it looks like a psychopath wrote this.
[00:17:26]  My God.
[00:17:27]  And there's all sorts of arrows and dots and stuff.
[00:17:30]  Okay, so this one was a little confusing.
[00:17:35]  Not actually that confusing, but people made it much more confusing.
[00:17:39]  By people, I mean both the defense and the prosecution.
[00:17:43]  Under count four.
[00:17:45]  Oh, well, they also asked for David Rogers' testimony, the pilot, the second pilot.
[00:17:49]  So again, that's questioning some stuff with Jane.
[00:17:52]  Yes.
[00:17:52]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:17:55]  Under, with note four was under count four, if Ghillaine Maxwell aided in their return flight from New Mexico, this is obviously referring to Jane.
[00:18:08]  Can she be found guilty?
[00:18:12]  Okay, so let's break this down.
[00:18:15]  Now, it seemed to me very clear.
[00:18:18]  I got to say what the jury was asking.
[00:18:21]  But there was a big quibble between the prosecution and the defense and the judge about what they were specifically asking.
[00:18:27]  What it seems like they're asking is under count two, correct?
[00:18:35]  If there's only proof that Ghillain aided in the, or count four?
[00:18:42]  Yeah.
[00:18:42]  Sorry.
[00:18:43]  Only aided in the flight out of New Mexico rather than the flight to New Mexico.
[00:18:50]  Can that be considered aiding and abetting trafficking a minor?
[00:18:57]  Yeah.
[00:18:58]  And so, yes.
[00:19:00]  That seems to be the substance of the question, which the defense was arguing.
[00:19:04]  Then the defense says, if that is the question, we say no, which is now a legal opinion, as opposed to just trying to parse what the question was.
[00:19:11]  I have to say I agree with them, except for the legal judgment, no.
[00:19:17]  Personally, I do think that it would count.
[00:19:20]  I do too.
[00:19:21]  Frankly, I was a little confused by the confusion about this because, I mean, Menninger got in there and talked about the commas within the notes.
[00:19:30]  Oh, yeah.
[00:19:30]  She was being very almost involved.
[00:19:32]  She was legally bond of that.
[00:19:34]  That was, yeah.
[00:19:35]  Dear God, it was so lost, you know.
[00:19:37]  Even Alice and Nathan started chuckling.
[00:19:39]  Laura Menninger, if you're listening to this, everybody hates you.
[00:19:43]  I hate you.
[00:19:44]  Liz, I assume, hates you.
[00:19:46]  I don't hate anyone.
[00:19:47]  Okay, you're out of your fucking mind, baby doll.
[00:19:49]  Everybody.
[00:19:50]  I hate you.
[00:19:51]  Well, okay, transfer that on.
[00:19:53]  Well, you've just proven yourself a hypocrite.
[00:19:56]  Just kidding.
[00:19:57]  Everybody you come into contact with in your life hates you because you're annoying.
[00:20:01]  I want you to take that into consideration.
[00:20:02]  You're 75 years old at this point.
[00:20:04]  You'll never get better.
[00:20:06]  Just there's something broken.
[00:20:08]  Yeah, the die job is bad too.
[00:20:10]  It's a cheap.
[00:20:11]  I actually think it's really good.
[00:20:11]  It's a real Denver blonde.
[00:20:13]  You know what I'm saying?
[00:20:14]  But there was a long back and forth over this and basically came back to read the instructions again.
[00:20:23]  Yeah, Nathan basically sided with the prosecution.
[00:20:28]  Everyone was sort of like, it was so annoying.
[00:20:30]  Everyone was kind of being obtuse for their own reasons.
[00:20:33]  Yeah.
[00:20:34]  Including the prosecution who's like, we can't really tell what they mean or we can't glean intent.
[00:20:38]  So we just say, look back at the charges because you don't want to actually address the question.
[00:20:43]  Yeah.
[00:20:44]  So the whole thing was pretty annoying.
[00:20:47]  I gotta say, Alice Nathan's attitude during this whole day, and particularly towards the end of the day, when it became abundantly clear that the jury had no intention of delivering a verdict today and what feels like tomorrow, although we'll get to that in a second.
[00:21:07]  A little testy.
[00:21:10]  She is clearly done with this.
[00:21:14]  Yeah, she wants this thing wrapped up in a bow real quick.
[00:21:18]  She, at the end of the day, strongly encouraged.
[00:21:23]  And you know what?
[00:21:24]  I gotta say, side with the defense on this again.
[00:21:27]  Okay, yeah, so explain what happened.
[00:21:28]  Well, we didn't side with the defense before, but siding with the defense here is at the end of the day, she basically says she wants to offer the jury the option to go until six.
[00:21:43]  Yeah, because right now they go until five.
[00:21:46]  However, that was the thinnest of veneers.
[00:21:50]  Yeah, I don't think it was one of those things where, you know, when you were like a kid and your parent would be like, no, I'm just suggesting in kind of like a passive aggressive way, or maybe like a kind of a, you know, a girlfriend's like, maybe you could do it was, yeah.
[00:22:03]  I'm more latter example is hitting closer to home.
[00:22:06]  But yes, my parents never made suggestions to me.
[00:22:10]  They let me run free in the house and do what I was the man of the house from age three.
[00:22:15]  All right.
[00:22:16]  Well, but this is not a suggestion.
[00:22:19]  No, she's.
[00:22:19]  Alice Nathan strongly suggested they stay until six.
[00:22:25]  Now.
[00:22:25]  As a way to speed up deliberations.
[00:22:28]  Is it possible?
[00:22:29]  Riddle me this.
[00:22:30]  And this is what Matthew, Inner City Press, got the old brain thinking over here.
[00:22:37]  It's like, no, she is, she took three days off of this trial.
[00:22:42]  She's the only one who's taken time off of this trial.
[00:22:44]  All the other times were basically like, that was a court kind of thing.
[00:22:47]  Like, you have to get some of those days off.
[00:22:50]  The holidays.
[00:22:51]  The holidays.
[00:22:51]  Including this Thursday and Friday, although Thursday.
[00:22:55]  No, that's, yeah.
[00:22:56]  If they're still deliberating, we're deliberating through Thursday.
[00:22:59]  But yeah, Judge Alice and Nathan.
[00:23:01]  So the jury is actually allowed, I think, to deliberate basically as long as they want every day.
[00:23:04]  Yeah.
[00:23:05]  And they had returned a note saying we want to end at five today.
[00:23:07]  Which, absolutely.
[00:23:10]  You know what?
[00:23:10]  Tip of my head, Jerry.
[00:23:11]  Support you.
[00:23:12]  Yeah, thank you.
[00:23:12]  You're right, man.
[00:23:13]  We also jinx.
[00:23:14]  So you can't talk for the rest of the episode.
[00:23:16]  No.
[00:23:18]  She is strongly, strongly, strongly suggesting that they meet until 6 p.m. from now on.
[00:23:27]  Yeah, the defense really was upset with this language.
[00:23:29]  Yes.
[00:23:30]  And Judge Nathan tried to say, like, oh, no, it's the exact same language I used other times in this trial.
[00:23:34]  First of all, you only used it one time in this trial.
[00:23:37]  And when you used it, you were saying that they could come in on a Thursday.
[00:23:41]  Yeah.
[00:23:41]  You know, Your Honor, objection.

=== Entering the Record (04:25) ===

[00:23:44]  Yeah.
[00:23:44]  And you know what?
[00:23:45]  I'll allow it.
[00:23:47]  I'll allow it because I object heavily to that.
[00:23:50]  So there's sirens going off right now because the entire police.
[00:23:55]  But U.S. Marshals are here to arrest us.
[00:23:56]  It's the shamrim here to bust me out.
[00:24:00]  No, it is.
[00:24:02]  Sounds of the city.
[00:24:03]  Okay, so we technically only have two more days this week of trial.
[00:24:08]  Well, that's the whole thing.
[00:24:09]  So they're supposed to take Thursday and Friday off, but last week, basically, Allison Nathan was like, by the way, if you want to come in on Thursday to deliberate, you can, but no pressure.
[00:24:20]  And the jury was like, fuck no.
[00:24:22]  That's when we were like, all right, this thing's going for a while.
[00:24:24]  She's going to do the same thing, except I feel like it's going to be, quote, using the same language, but it's not going to be using it.
[00:24:33]  The tone of voice in which she delivered these things, which is not entered into the record.
[00:24:39]  Not entered into the record.
[00:24:40]  Heavy.
[00:24:40]  That is our job.
[00:24:41]  We are now entering it into the record.
[00:24:43]  Heavy enunciation on, let's say, certain parts of the note she'd like to stress.
[00:24:48]  A little bit of a stare down.
[00:24:49]  So, ladies and gentlemen, if you are like, damn, where's the fucking podcast?
[00:24:53]  I want to hear how you guys spent eight hours in a courtroom to watch four notes be delivered.
[00:25:00]  Yeah.
[00:25:01]  Why is it one hour late?
[00:25:02]  Okay.
[00:25:03]  Old Judge Nathan.
[00:25:04]  Here's my thing.
[00:25:05]  Oh, great.
[00:25:07]  Before we wrap up, because we've got to wrap up.
[00:25:09]  I'm going to use my TV condoms.
[00:25:11]  Oh, my God.
[00:25:14]  Coming into today, I was like, this thing's going to Wednesday.
[00:25:19]  When I heard the whiteboard note, I said, this is going to Wednesday.
[00:25:23]  Or is this going into the new year?
[00:25:24]  Which, look, nobody wants that.
[00:25:27]  Now that Judge Nathan has kind of like give her a little scoot note, little push, little nudge.
[00:25:35]  Now I'm feeling like it could wrap up tomorrow.
[00:25:38]  Unless, now, Brace, if you were a juryman, and I'm not saying you're a juryman, but mind of a juror.
[00:25:46]  I've been called judge, jury, and executioner in my time.
[00:25:50]  Do you respond with, do you feel encouraged or do you retaliate?
[00:25:58]  So listen, ladies and gentlemen, I'm not a juror, as Liz said.
[00:26:02]  No.
[00:26:03]  But I'm putting myself into the mind of a juror.
[00:26:08]  A New York native.
[00:26:09]  I've been here since whenever the first part of Goodfellows takes place when he's like a kid.
[00:26:15]  I'm a first responder.
[00:26:18]  And I work at 9-11, both in the office and I helped, I was a firefighter.
[00:26:25]  Set up the bums.
[00:26:26]  And I did building seven, correct.
[00:26:28]  And I'm thinking, why you got this spigotony telling me this fucking, you got this.
[00:26:35]  You got this cream puff telling me.
[00:26:38]  Oh, that's maybe I'm not trying to be homophobic there after my recent cancellation.
[00:26:44]  I was calling her cream puff due to her kick.
[00:26:48]  I try to get myself out of this.
[00:26:50]  Not because of her sexuality here.
[00:26:53]  She's telling me I can't go home and kiss my horrible wife and mentally unwell children on the mouth with my tongue.
[00:27:03]  I can't do that.
[00:27:04]  I gotta wait another hour for that when they're cold and freezing to their bones.
[00:27:07]  This is ridiculous.
[00:27:10]  I gotta go to the Times Square.
[00:27:11]  Time esquara.
[00:27:13]  I gotta go there.
[00:27:14]  Get myself a slice of Sabaro.
[00:27:18]  I gotta, I gotta, I have to, I have to go to where there's all the Chinese people and barter for a fish.
[00:27:26]  All right, One, one yen for this fish.
[00:27:31]  You want three?
[00:27:32]  What am I made out of?
[00:27:33]  We just took a trip around the world.
[00:27:35]  What am I made out of dragons?
[00:27:36]  I got yen coming out of me.
[00:27:38]  So, but this is what I'm saying.
[00:27:40]  I don't know if you say, if you feel encouraged to finish or if you, if you're like, fuck you, mom, you're not the boss of me.
[00:27:47]  I'm jury.
[00:27:48]  We leave up five.
[00:27:49]  This thing is going to January.
[00:27:52]  I mean, what are these kids doing at?
[00:27:54]  They should have been living with their mothers until they're 40.
[00:27:58]  Okay, okay, okay.
[00:27:59]  Yeah, I hope if this goes until January, then let me just say, Bud Dwyer is getting a sequel, and it's Star Embrace.

=== World War Threatened (00:33) ===

[00:28:10]  And on that note, I'm Liz.
[00:28:12]  My name is Brace.
[00:28:13]  The gun is cocked and loaded in World War.
[00:28:16]  Produced by Young Shaunpi.
[00:28:19]  This has been TrueNON, and we will see you next time.
[00:28:22]  Bye-bye.
[00:28:42]  Come out.
[00:28:43]  Come in.