True Anon Truth Feed - 👁️ Ghislaine Maxwell Trial: Day 14 👁️
Aired: 2021-12-22
Duration: 25:41


=== Balancing Act (04:13) ===

[00:00:00]  Now arriving at day, day 14, Ghillain Maxwell.
[00:00:08]  Was that it?
[00:00:14]  That was very good.
[00:00:29]  It's the double because it's always like, it's always like, you know, J, J in three minutes.
[00:00:38]  Yeah.
[00:00:39]  Three car, L, L in two minutes.
[00:00:44]  God, you would.
[00:00:45]  One car, M in nine minutes.
[00:00:49]  You're incredible at this.
[00:00:51]  I hear my thing.
[00:00:52]  I have a question.
[00:00:53]  What?
[00:00:54]  What is all these New York people talking with bing bong?
[00:00:57]  I don't know.
[00:00:58]  What the hell are you talking about?
[00:01:00]  This is like a whole thing now.
[00:01:01]  This like, this is like a viral, it's like fake viral slang that they're always like, oh, it's like bing bong, like the subway.
[00:01:08]  It's like the subway doesn't go bing bong.
[00:01:10]  What?
[00:01:11]  The subway is Liz.
[00:01:14]  I mean, it does, but it doesn't sound like bing bong.
[00:01:18]  Liz, it's so good to be recording with you again.
[00:01:23]  Just checking, have you gone to like a doctor since you've been sick?
[00:01:26]  Like, is it?
[00:01:28]  You sound kind of feverish.
[00:01:30]  Take some quinine.
[00:01:32]  Oh, my God.
[00:01:32]  I don't know what the hell you're talking about.
[00:01:33]  No, I ride around here.
[00:01:35]  I ride around here like a satrap with my, you know, as a podcaster here in New York.
[00:01:42]  I go on an elevated chair with four of my catamites.
[00:01:47]  Yeah, you're only on those like disposable scooters that you Uber or whatever.
[00:01:52]  I rent an entire sleigh full of the disposable scooters or those little guys.
[00:01:58]  And then I attach them all onto my, of course, my sleigh.
[00:02:03]  And then I just sort of drive around the city like that.
[00:02:06]  I can't believe someone was like, let's make an Uber for scooters.
[00:02:09]  I hate it.
[00:02:09]  It works.
[00:02:10]  It worked.
[00:02:11]  It worked.
[00:02:11]  It worked till it didn't.
[00:02:12]  No, it still worked.
[00:02:13]  No, no, here's the thing with the scooter thing.
[00:02:16]  There was a big backlash at first, subsiding.
[00:02:19]  And then everyone just absorbed it.
[00:02:21]  They're like, well, this is life now.
[00:02:22]  You know what?
[00:02:23]  You don't have to take it, people.
[00:02:24]  You don't have to take it.
[00:02:25]  Stand up to big scooter.
[00:02:27]  I'll be real.
[00:02:27]  If you're a grown man riding a scooter and you're not Italian.
[00:02:31]  That's a different kind of scooter.
[00:02:33]  I know.
[00:02:33]  It's a different kind of scooter, different kind of grown man.
[00:02:36]  You know, it's, it's, you gotta, you gotta balance it out or something.
[00:02:40]  You gotta, I don't know, kill the people.
[00:02:42]  Well, see, the Italians balance it out where they, you know, they've got the scooter, which you're like, ooh, but then it's like a kind of a muscle scooter.
[00:02:49]  And you're like, oh.
[00:02:50]  And you're like, oh, I'm a grown man.
[00:02:51]  And you're like, uh, and they're like, but I live with my mother.
[00:02:53]  And you're like, oh.
[00:02:54]  Yeah.
[00:02:55]  It's all about balance.
[00:02:56]  Yeah.
[00:02:57]  It's true.
[00:02:59]  And speaking of balance, today Ghelane Maxwell was declared.
[00:03:06]  What?
[00:03:07]  But more on that after we introduce ourselves.
[00:03:11]  My name, my name is Entrepreneurial.
[00:03:16]  I am here to teach you about how to diversify your income streams at the Southern District of New York Third Good Marshall Courthouse.
[00:03:23]  You could sell Adderall.
[00:03:25]  You can wait in line.
[00:03:26]  You can pretend to be a member of Glenn Maxwell's family and give interviews to Netflix, any of these things.
[00:03:32]  You can make a lot of money.
[00:03:33]  And I did all those things today.
[00:03:34]  We're going to explain it in this episode.
[00:03:36]  Belden.
[00:03:39]  I'm Liz.
[00:03:40]  We are, of course, joined by producer Yam Chomsky.
[00:03:43]  You are listening to Trudon.
[00:03:45]  And before I let Brace cut in with what happened today, I want to say that now you just like put in my brain, planted in my brain, this new character.
[00:03:52]  Entrepreneurial.
[00:03:54]  No, yeah, he's a Rise and Grind rapper called Entrepreneurial Technique.
[00:03:58]  Yes.
[00:03:58]  Oh, there we go.
[00:03:59]  Yeah.
[00:04:00]  I got to be real with you guys today.
[00:04:04]  I walked away from Southern District of New York three racks today.
[00:04:11]  My pockets bulging.
[00:04:12]  Oh, yeah.
[00:04:13]  Yeah.

=== Jury Requests Extended Delays (14:30) ===

[00:04:14]  You playing dice with the Marshalls?
[00:04:17]  I'm not playing dice with the Marshalls, baby.
[00:04:19]  We're talking New York Times expense account.
[00:04:22]  I want $800 from New York Times crime reporter, who will remain nameless.
[00:04:28]  But let me just say, entrepreneurial is feeling like you can make some new investments.
[00:04:35]  I gave a lesson on drop shipping in courtroom 506.
[00:04:39]  They let me, the IT guy was kind enough to let me use the, well, after teaching about drop shipping in exchange, he let me use the screens in there.
[00:04:47]  It was the CCTV broadcast.
[00:04:50]  Take to the mic.
[00:04:53]  But today, today there was a lot of something that I'm used to when people I'm used to people doing when they're trying to make up their minds as to whether or not they should call the police on me for being in their house, which is deliberation.
[00:05:08]  But silent deliberation, no one saw any of it.
[00:05:13]  So what happened, Les, like we were saying last night, they send the jury out and then we wait.
[00:05:21]  And wait, you did.
[00:05:22]  Nothing happened.
[00:05:23]  No, no.
[00:05:24]  The highlights of my day, I got there like a fucking chump early as usual, like 8:30, 8:40, you know, which is actually would be later.
[00:05:35]  Yeah, that's normally late.
[00:05:37]  I feel like tomorrow you should come in at 10.
[00:05:41]  I feel like that too, but what if?
[00:05:44]  So, well, we'll talk about their hours in a little bit.
[00:05:47]  Yeah.
[00:05:47]  I walk in at 8:45 and then I'm like, wait a minute, the jury isn't even here until 9 o'clock.
[00:05:54]  Yeah.
[00:05:55]  Why am I here?
[00:05:56]  There were four people in the courtroom.
[00:05:59]  Who was there?
[00:06:01]  There was that like white-haired, really serious ABC guy.
[00:06:04]  You know what I'm talking about?
[00:06:06]  And he's a professional.
[00:06:09]  Yeah, he smokes SIGs.
[00:06:11]  And so interesting.
[00:06:12]  Yeah, he's a real deal.
[00:06:15]  And then, I don't know, just a few other random, those British people that I was there.
[00:06:20]  Wow, they're always there.
[00:06:21]  And suits every day.
[00:06:23]  Not less of the suit guys were there.
[00:06:25]  One of the suit guys was there, but most of the suit guys weren't there.
[00:06:29]  But I was like, oh, these guys are here.
[00:06:31]  Which, to be fair, I appreciate.
[00:06:32]  I think you should wear a suit every day.
[00:06:33]  Yeah, I've been wearing a tuxedo, Canadian style.
[00:06:39]  I actually have stopped wearing denim shirts and pants to court because too many people were commenting on it.
[00:06:47]  But basically, nothing happened until I would say 10, 11 o'clock.
[00:06:55]  We get some notes.
[00:06:56]  We get a note.
[00:06:57]  And the note was asking, I think this actually happened at like around 10 o'clock.
[00:07:03]  Was the everyone came back in.
[00:07:06]  The judge came back in, defense, prosecution.
[00:07:10]  And then they asked, they were delivered a note.
[00:07:13]  The judge was delivered a note by the jury.
[00:07:15]  Just dropped my jewel.
[00:07:17]  Asking for Annie, Carolyn, and Jane's testimony, notably not Kate's.
[00:07:23]  Well, makes sense.
[00:07:25]  Yeah.
[00:07:26]  And we were told that there had to be some redactions made to those, presumably because in the transcript of them being deposed, their sidebar is included in that.
[00:07:38]  And maybe they can't see the sidebar.
[00:07:40]  I don't know what, I don't know exactly what they have to redact.
[00:07:42]  That would make sense.
[00:07:43]  They have to redact stuff.
[00:07:44]  And things that were objected, like sustained objections that need to be out of the record.
[00:07:48]  I'm assuming so.
[00:07:50]  Yeah.
[00:07:50]  Guess how long that took?
[00:07:52]  Four hours.
[00:07:54]  On the money, baby doll.
[00:07:56]  Really?
[00:07:57]  It's actually kind of unclear exactly how long that took because that was.
[00:08:01]  So it took four hours.
[00:08:02]  Well, it was actually revisited.
[00:08:03]  So it could have actually taken long.
[00:08:04]  I think it was three hours.
[00:08:06]  That's what we heard.
[00:08:07]  But we revisited it at 4:55, actually, five o'clock when the jury was brought back in.
[00:08:13]  And the way that the way that Judge Nathan was talking about it, it's like the testimony actually still had not been delivered to the jury, but that's unclear.
[00:08:24]  I'm going with it has been delivered.
[00:08:25]  And maybe she was, her tenses were just all fucked up.
[00:08:28]  Maybe it was partially delivered.
[00:08:29]  I don't know.
[00:08:30]  Here's my, so I'm stupid because I am like, wow, they didn't have that to begin with.
[00:08:36]  Seems like I think they should have.
[00:08:37]  One would think, yes.
[00:08:38]  What?
[00:08:38]  They just give them in a room and then the jury has to ask for everything.
[00:08:41]  That seems like a wicked game.
[00:08:49]  Yes, it does.
[00:08:50]  Yes, it does.
[00:08:52]  I don't know why I went there, but it does.
[00:08:54]  No, I have a question for Sprace.
[00:08:57]  What's happening, baby doll?
[00:08:59]  So I read on the internet, on the interweb, that there was another note.
[00:09:05]  And I don't know if it was attached to that note or if it was a separate note.
[00:09:08]  Separate note.
[00:09:09]  Okay.
[00:09:10]  Where they asked to see, and they said this incorrectly, Carolyn's deposition from 2007.
[00:09:18]  Now, I want to do a little divining here.
[00:09:25]  A little baseless speculation as I'm wont to do.
[00:09:31]  There is no, first of all, there is no 2007 deposition, correct?
[00:09:35]  Yeah.
[00:09:36]  But there is a 2007 302, which is the notes taken by the FBI from what they wrote down of what Carolyn told them.
[00:09:49]  Yes, this is actually a, I don't think we really went into this during our episodes on the, on the day that this was sort of discussed, but this actually came up quite a few times during the trial.
[00:10:00]  And like Liz said, a 302 is basically the summary of a interview that is not recorded with a victim in this case.
[00:10:10]  And the agent gives, you know, writes the summary out basically of what they said.
[00:10:18]  Now, that was not entered into the record.
[00:10:21]  Right.
[00:10:23]  It's not.
[00:10:23]  I don't think 302s can't be even.
[00:10:26]  I honestly don't know.
[00:10:27]  It does seem like hearsay because they are inexact.
[00:10:30]  And that was a big point of contention during the trial is that these are actually, this is a summary.
[00:10:36]  And so it's not actually, you know, it's not what you said.
[00:10:41]  Listeners might remember that Carolyn, you know, frequently, when the defense was asking her why she was contradicting what she told, allegedly told the DOJ in 2007, she said, that's not what I said.
[00:10:55]  They wrote it down wrong, right?
[00:10:56]  That's not what I said.
[00:10:57]  That's not what I said.
[00:10:58]  For example, she referred to, she said that when she said that she got a number from an telephone book, what she meant was like the little black book, like an address book, a personal address book, not like the, you know, I don't know.
[00:11:15]  The white pages, yellow pages.
[00:11:16]  Yeah, the yellow pages.
[00:11:17]  Thank you.
[00:11:19]  Wow.
[00:11:20]  Forgot that one.
[00:11:21]  Well, your brain's cooked, baby doll.
[00:11:23]  I know.
[00:11:24]  So your brain's cooked, not hers.
[00:11:26]  So yeah, that was, that was a big thing because also, and John Sweeney actually pointed this out to me early today, is that during that in that 302, I believe it says that there was another person, which would be Ghylaine Maxwell, who had an unidentified accent.
[00:11:44]  And what he pointed out is like, Carolyn is not saying that this is an unidentified accent.
[00:11:51]  The FBI agent is saying that she could not accurately with 100% accuracy identify this accent.
[00:11:58]  Right, right.
[00:11:59]  Which there is a distinction there.
[00:12:01]  Because it's obviously Ghelane.
[00:12:02]  There's nobody else with an accent that would be calling her.
[00:12:06]  So, but what that says then, why would the jury want that?
[00:12:10]  Well.
[00:12:10]  Or not the jury, at least one juror.
[00:12:14]  Because it can just be a single juror that's passing a note, to be clear.
[00:12:18]  So with that, it's totally, I mean, obviously we don't know exactly why they wanted it, but that deposit, that, not deposition, that 302 was referenced several times in cross-examination of Carolyn, probably something to do with that.
[00:12:35]  However, it was not, like we said, admitted into evidence.
[00:12:39]  So they actually cannot have that.
[00:12:41]  No, no, yeah.
[00:12:42]  But what I mean is I think that if someone's asking for it, they have doubts about the consistency of Carolyn's testimony.
[00:12:50]  And that's what they want to examine.
[00:12:52]  Yeah, exactly.
[00:12:52]  And Carolyn, I believe, did actually identify Ghelane Maxwell in 2009 to the FBI, just a few years later.
[00:13:00]  And so, you know, it's God only knows.
[00:13:04]  And this is actually what gave a lot of people in the courtroom.
[00:13:07]  And I will not name any names here, but this gave a lot of people pause and people are like, oh my God, they're going to acquit her.
[00:13:13]  And this is what I'm talking about is a lot of people, you know, you can't really help it.
[00:13:18]  The only morsels of information you get are so abstracted and so context-free.
[00:13:23]  Yeah, sure.
[00:13:24]  Also, it's fun.
[00:13:24]  Everyone loves to speculate.
[00:13:26]  Exactly.
[00:13:26]  Everyone's like, oh, this means she's going to be acquitted.
[00:13:28]  Oh, this means she's guilty.
[00:13:29]  Oh, they're taking this.
[00:13:31]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:13:31]  They do this with everything.
[00:13:32]  Everyone does this at the election.
[00:13:34]  He's going to win.
[00:13:34]  He's going to lose.
[00:13:35]  Exactly.
[00:13:37]  And so, yeah, that was sort of the big, that was the big news of the day.
[00:13:43]  I mean, I do think that at least it does show us that the defense and, you know, for this taking longer than maybe some people, maybe some people thought it would be much quicker.
[00:13:55]  I don't know.
[00:13:56]  It sounds like they had asked, the jury asked to go from 9 until 4.30 with the possibility of going into Thursday, which I think maybe some people weren't expecting.
[00:14:08]  And so maybe it means that the defense, like, you know, got in at least one juror's craw a little bit more than we anticipated.
[00:14:17]  Well, so the deal with that is that they actually passed, they passed another note asking for a sort of dictating their own schedule tomorrow, saying that they get here at nine.
[00:14:27]  Young Chomsky made a really cute joke saying they unionized.
[00:14:30]  Yes.
[00:14:31]  They were getting there at nine.
[00:14:33]  They wanted to be served lunch at noon and that they wanted to leave by 4.30.
[00:14:39]  Now, the judge added on to that.
[00:14:42]  She was like, listen, we're not supposed to be in court on Thursday and Friday.
[00:14:45]  We were originally going to take that off for Christmas.
[00:14:47]  However, because, and remember, this is day 14 of the trial, meaning today is literally the two-week mark of actually being in the courtroom, which is very quick.
[00:14:57]  She's like, you know, originally we thought this trial would be longer.
[00:15:00]  And so that's why we were taking Thursday and Friday off.
[00:15:03]  And so actually, I'm going to say if they want to deliberate, if they're still not done, if they're still not done and they choose to come back on Thursday, they can.
[00:15:11]  They don't have to.
[00:15:12]  They can come back the next Monday.
[00:15:13]  But if they want to go into Thursday, they can do that.
[00:15:17]  Interesting.
[00:15:18]  Yes.
[00:15:19]  They came up with another note too asking if they could consider Annie's testimony, conspiracy to commit a crime in counts one and three.
[00:15:31]  So count one in the indictment charges Gillian Maxwell, the defendant, with conspiring that is agreeing with others to entice an individual to travel to interstate commerce to engage in sexual activity.
[00:15:43]  Count one relates to multiple alleged victims in the time period between 1994 and 2004.
[00:15:48]  So they were asking for clarification on Annie for that one, correct?
[00:15:52]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:15:53]  And they were saying that because there was a caveat sort of read before Annie's testimony where it just says the sexual acts were not illegal in New Mexico, age of consent stuff.
[00:16:06]  And so it was, this is actually has to do with the conspiracy counts.
[00:16:13]  Yes, but in travel.
[00:16:15]  In travel.
[00:16:15]  And so the answer to this is yes.
[00:16:18]  However, Christian Everdell was not having it and kept trying to get her to add the caveat about the other charges, saying that, you know, it can't be included with, you know, blah, blah, blah, or it can't be taken as, you know, she had illegal sex with a minor.
[00:16:32]  Right, right, right.
[00:16:33]  The judge also was not having that either.
[00:16:36]  And so the note was sent back saying yes.
[00:16:39]  Because that is confusing.
[00:16:42]  Yeah, agreed.
[00:16:43]  Yeah.
[00:16:43]  It's funny.
[00:16:44]  There's actually quite a lot of sort of confusion about the charges here.
[00:16:48]  I mean, and it is a really complicated case, actually.
[00:16:52]  Like it's much more complicated than it, you know, at first appears because I think a lot of people listening to this and, you know, just sort of with any sort of familiarity of the case in a broad sense would be like, well, yeah, she's guilty, but she has to be guilty of these pretty specific charges here.
[00:17:09]  Yeah.
[00:17:10]  You know, I do think she is.
[00:17:11]  And I think they can find her guilty with the evidence that was that was put forth.
[00:17:16]  But yeah, it does show, though, that they were paying, if they're, if they're asking these sort of specific questions, it does show that they were paying attention.
[00:17:23]  Yeah, I also think, well, yeah, that's a good thing that they're paying attention because it's a big deal.
[00:17:29]  But I think, I don't know, for some reason, I feel like because of the nature of this case and how there's like diff, there's like one long time period, but different victims that correspond to different time periods and different victims that correspond to different Like different kind of almost layered counts, but some of them are related to each other and some aren't.
[00:17:51]  It's like, yeah, very, I think the prosecution, like, my worry is that they set up a complicated case to kind of like weed through and make clear.
[00:18:04]  You know what I'm, you know what I mean?
[00:18:05]  I absolutely do.
[00:18:06]  And it is a complicated, I mean, the instructions to the jury that were read out about this was took an hour and a half.
[00:18:12]  Yeah.
[00:18:12]  It's a it's a really long, I mean, it's a long and sort of complicated series of charges that, yeah, you're right, are interconnected.
[00:18:21]  So they get back tomorrow, nine o'clock.
[00:18:25]  They're staying until 4:30.
[00:18:27]  I love that they like an early date.
[00:18:28]  That's good.
[00:18:28]  I know them.
[00:18:29]  Yeah.
[00:18:29]  Well, it's, you know, I actually don't exactly know where all the jurors or any of the jurors come from.
[00:18:36]  And so people were saying that Southern District of New York could draw them actually from counties, other counties, too.
[00:18:41]  So that could be like, you know, quite a commute with these people.

=== Cafe Lorenzo's Gambit (05:37) ===

[00:18:44]  Yes.
[00:18:47]  But yeah, we'll be back tomorrow.
[00:18:49]  I mean, it's, it's, I mean, I, both this podcast, but also I will be back sitting in court tomorrow.
[00:18:55]  Any good, any other good gossip?
[00:18:57]  Well, baby, two more things.
[00:18:59]  Okay.
[00:18:59]  One related to Ghillaine Maxwell and one that I almost don't want to tell you because I know how disappointed you'll be.
[00:19:04]  Oh, no.
[00:19:05]  So with Ghillain Maxwell, I noticed, as did many people, because again, there wasn't a lot really to look at today.
[00:19:12]  And so you sort of glommed onto any detail that you could.
[00:19:15]  There were a couple people sort of skulking around the family bench, which is the sort of row right behind the defense.
[00:19:25]  And in fact, I was able to make sure of that today.
[00:19:29]  I would say the A-tier row of the rows here.
[00:19:34]  They were not, I'm telling you right now, they were not sitting there during the trial.
[00:19:38]  Like, I don't know what to tell you.
[00:19:40]  They were in this, the row behind that.
[00:19:44]  This is, I will bet you right now.
[00:19:48]  The entrepreneur bets you $50.
[00:19:51]  Okay.
[00:19:53]  I know exactly where they were sitting.
[00:19:56]  The family row today had some new members in it.
[00:20:05]  It had an older, sort of kind of actually, frankly, male Maxwell-looking guy.
[00:20:11]  Everyone thought he was Kevin at first, but they knew he wasn't because he was too heavy set, also no glasses, and too tall.
[00:20:20]  But just a guy there who had a cell phone, so presumably a lawyer, and a sort of, I don't know, an older blonde woman as well, also with electronic device, meaning that she's almost assuredly a lawyer.
[00:20:36]  And they were sort of conferring with Christine and Isabel, having little confabs.
[00:20:43]  And in the row right behind them, there were three young women.
[00:20:48]  I would say early 20s women, multiracial trio of women, and appear to be paralegals or something.
[00:20:56]  One of them was delivering papers back and forth.
[00:20:59]  But it was notable that when the jury was actually brought in at five o'clock, these three women were not sitting two rows back, but they were sitting in the front row right behind Ghelane.
[00:21:11]  So sort of flanked by this trio of young women.
[00:21:16]  And one can't imagine that that was not absolutely deliberate.
[00:21:21]  The other news here is that I saw Lorenzo.
[00:21:24]  Really?
[00:21:25]  Wait, Steve?
[00:21:27]  Well, he was referred to me as Lorenzo, but yes.
[00:21:30]  Were you like, that's your kid's name?
[00:21:33]  Well, his nephew?
[00:21:34]  I can't remember.
[00:21:35]  It was his kid, but I was, you know, of course, me and the me.
[00:21:40]  Well, I'm not going to name names here.
[00:21:41]  I'm not going to burn my sources, but I'm all in Cafe Lorenzo and, you know, a good friend of mine used there consistently.
[00:21:50]  But it was pointed out to me today by a source that Lorenzo himself was behind the steamer.
[00:22:00]  Manning the station.
[00:22:01]  He wasn't manning it.
[00:22:02]  He was just behind.
[00:22:04]  Surveying.
[00:22:05]  Surveying, exactly.
[00:22:06]  Master of his domain, lord of all he can see.
[00:22:10]  And I was shocked.
[00:22:13]  What did you see?
[00:22:15]  Well, you might be like, in your head, you're imagining Lorenzo possibly as an Italianite, possibly a Dalmatian, maybe from Trantino.
[00:22:24]  But no, he was from what I call the Italy of the Orient.
[00:22:30]  I believe he was Filipino.
[00:22:32]  Really?
[00:22:33]  Yes.
[00:22:34]  Yes.
[00:22:34]  Which makes sense.
[00:22:35]  Lorenzo, that's, I don't know, that's a Filipino name to me.
[00:22:40]  Yeah.
[00:22:40]  I mean, even though that's not his name.
[00:22:42]  But yeah, I also, you know, queried, made a couple of queries about this.
[00:22:47]  I don't know if you've noticed, a cup of coffee at Cafe Lorenzo is $2.07.
[00:22:55]  Is that because of tax?
[00:22:57]  An insane number.
[00:23:00]  Well, you know, inflation, baby.
[00:23:03]  But we are in a so-called corn shortage right now.
[00:23:07]  And so, you know, I made some comments.
[00:23:12]  I had some questions and I was told that, no, they are not supplied with extra coins.
[00:23:17]  I feel like Cafe Lorenzo is definitely the kind of place where they would have a like comments, like a little like little mailbox where people could leave comments.
[00:23:27]  You might feel that way, but reality defies you.
[00:23:29]  In fact, there is no way to speak to Lorenzo unless you're willing to vault over the steaming hot bar that they have there in the morning and speak to him face to face.
[00:23:41]  I feel like they, you know, they do breakfast a lot better than they do lunch.
[00:23:45]  Oh, yeah, but that's a lot easier, too.
[00:23:46]  You know, crack an egg, buy a strip.
[00:23:49]  But, but that, that's it for today.
[00:23:52]  I mean, it's, it's notable that Lorenzo, who hadn't actually been seen in months, is now skulking around the courtroom.
[00:23:58]  Maybe he's got something that he has to hide.
[00:24:01]  Maybe he's hiding it by being more visible.
[00:24:05]  In plain sight.
[00:24:07]  They call that.
[00:24:08]  They call that the extort.
[00:24:11]  They call that the they call that.
[00:24:14]  What do they call that?
[00:24:15]  They call that the Lorenzo's Gambit.
[00:24:18]  They call that Lorenzo's Gambit.

=== Lorenzo's Gambit (01:19) ===

[00:24:21]  Sorry, I was, I have the Joe Biden stutter disease.
[00:24:24]  I love calling things gambits.
[00:24:26]  Oh, I love a gambit.
[00:24:27]  Who doesn't love a gambit?
[00:24:29]  Well, presumably the people that lose on it.
[00:24:32]  But here's the thing: gambit?
[00:24:35]  Gambit is just a higher form of gamble.
[00:24:37]  But like a higher like platonic form.
[00:24:40]  Yeah, but like, cause there's no money.
[00:24:41]  A gambit, there's no money involved.
[00:24:43]  Yeah, like a gambit.
[00:24:45]  And it's not like a gambit is like a high-class gamble.
[00:24:48]  Like a gambit is like, you know, yeah, an idealized, you know, yeah.
[00:24:56]  It's a, you know, it's a, it's on a different plane, really.
[00:24:59]  Yeah.
[00:24:59]  It's a gambit.
[00:25:01]  And speaking of being on a different plane, if you are flying to San Francisco from Boston tomorrow, do not get on your flight.
[00:25:08]  My name is Brace.
[00:25:10]  I'm Liz.
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