True Anon Truth Feed - Episode 96: Save the Pilled Men
Aired: 2020-09-04
Duration: 01:24:05


=== Welcome QAnon Movie (04:11) ===

[00:00:00]  Does QAnon have a theme song?
[00:00:02]  Uh, yes.
[00:00:05]  But it's, I'm not telling you what it is.
[00:00:07]  Okay, ha ha.
[00:00:09]  But, um, first of all, you also, you just said that because you didn't want to have to come up with one on the spot.
[00:00:15]  Uh, you don't know that.
[00:00:16]  Yeah, I know your little tricks.
[00:00:18]  You don't know that.
[00:00:20]  Second of all, imagine if like QAnon should have a theme song.
[00:00:25]  I'm trying to think of what it would be.
[00:00:27]  For some reason, Cheeseburgers and Paradise.
[00:00:29]  Cheeseburger in paradise.
[00:00:33]  I was kind of thinking something in that realm, too.
[00:00:36]  Yeah.
[00:00:36]  Well, Buffett did play, I believe, a show for Jeffrey Epstein.
[00:00:39]  Oh.
[00:00:40]  But yeah, there's like Jimmy Buffett does feel like the kind of aesthetic representative.
[00:00:46]  Yeah.
[00:00:47]  But now I'm not so sure.
[00:00:49]  Well, now it's changing.
[00:00:51]  Now it's like, I don't know, like a TikTok.
[00:00:53]  Yeah, now it's like a like, okay, you know what it's got to be?
[00:00:57]  It's going to have to be like a TikTok girl with like crazy anime deer makeup.
[00:01:03]  Yep.
[00:01:04]  But also like in a like sexy Ariana Grande outfit.
[00:01:10]  Doing like hair flip TikTok dance, but it'll be like QAnon like synchronized move.
[00:01:18]  Yeah.
[00:01:19]  She could like she could do, well, you could do like, I mean, listeners, of course, cannot see this, but I am doing a pretty complex dance here with my finger and arm making a cue.
[00:01:31]  So you could go like this.
[00:01:33]  Right, right, right.
[00:01:33]  And it'll like point to something, and then everyone will be doing the cue dance.
[00:01:37]  And then, oh, this is how it's going to happen.
[00:01:39]  Well, this is, wait, this looks like a Fortnite dance or something.
[00:01:41]  And then the girl will get a record deal based off her TikTok fame, appear on, you know, I don't know, VMA's just happened or whatever, the Grammys, America's next top singer, whatever.
[00:01:55]  I feel like you'd have to appear on like the non-pedo versions of those.
[00:02:00]  No, because it's just the industry.
[00:02:01]  She's just famous now.
[00:02:02]  She's just, yeah, yeah, yeah, true.
[00:02:04]  And that's how Q will really reach the masses.
[00:02:07]  Yeah, like, like, that would be so funny if Hollywood was like, fuck it, Q's Real.
[00:02:11]  Like, we can make some money off of this.
[00:02:12]  Like, just like make a movie about it.
[00:02:14]  Dude, someone, it's going to totally happen.
[00:02:16]  I mean, look, never forget that Justin Bieber was found off YouTube.
[00:02:20]  Yeah, dude, they were going to make a fucking movie about me.
[00:02:24]  They won't make a movie about QAnon.
[00:02:25]  You know what I mean?
[00:02:26]  Millions of people love this.
[00:02:28]  Ugh.
[00:02:28]  It's going to be something so bad, too.
[00:02:31]  It's going to be some like sober, like, you know, like drama with like George Clooney, like, oh, no, investigating Truanon and like the press trying to figure it out.
[00:02:44]  And Julia Roberts and the thing is, QAnon is so, like, if you like zoom back and like say some of the stuff out loud, it's so funny that like it's almost funnier if it was like a like a real drama.
[00:02:56]  Like George Clooney's like trying to figure out if like Hillary Clinton ate a baby in the front ranket video, or is that he's like he's like this really like fucked up like scene of like this like Leonard Cohen or something playing him tying off and shooting up Adriena Chrome.
[00:03:11]  Um, oh, that reminds me.
[00:03:14]  I meant to order a Trina Chrome.
[00:03:38]  Hello, welcome to QAnon Radio.
[00:03:41]  Um...
[00:03:41]  Uh, my name is Gina Crohn.
[00:03:47]  I like that one.
[00:03:48]  I was gonna say, uh, Franz.
[00:03:51]  That's gonna be like a no, it's gotta be Franz Canon.
[00:03:55]  Franz Canon.
[00:03:57]  You know that the CIA took him to the United States for cancer treatment?
[00:04:00]  I did know that.
[00:04:01]  Yeah.
[00:04:04]  But it's actually my same case officer that did it.
[00:04:08]  Hello.
[00:04:09]  My name is Liz.

=== Vox and Racked Measurements (08:01) ===

[00:04:11]  My name is.
[00:04:13]  Oh, fuck.
[00:04:14]  I ran out of QAnon names.
[00:04:16]  Hell, I'm QAnon.
[00:04:18]  And we are joined by producer Young Chomsky.
[00:04:22]  And this is not QAnon, but Truanon.
[00:04:24]  This is Truanon.
[00:04:25]  Liz, do people ever ask you what the name means and you feel like embarrassed?
[00:04:29]  Be like, no, you're always the one who feels embarrassed.
[00:04:32]  I say it with pride.
[00:04:34]  I'm like, I always am just like, oh, it's like truly anonymous.
[00:04:37]  Like, I always say a fucking non-say that.
[00:04:41]  That's not truly anonymous.
[00:04:42]  That sounds like some terrible seltzer.
[00:04:44]  I actually never thought about it.
[00:04:45]  Does the Anon and Truanon stand for anonymous or is Truanon just the whole thing?
[00:04:49]  It's just Truanon, like QAnon.
[00:04:51]  That's kind of what I thought.
[00:04:52]  Well, QAnon stands for QA and Anonymous, basically, because Anon means like, you know, it's a form of anonymous.
[00:04:59]  But I guess we're based off of QAnon, so we're not based off the 4chan.
[00:05:02]  Yeah, the whole thing was it's true Anon, like QAnon, but true.
[00:05:06]  Yeah, yes.
[00:05:06]  Okay, good.
[00:05:07]  That solves it for me.
[00:05:08]  I was wondering that the other day.
[00:05:09]  What do you say?
[00:05:10]  Are you kidding?
[00:05:10]  We've been doing this for a year.
[00:05:12]  What have you been telling people?
[00:05:13]  All right, don't pretend that this is.
[00:05:14]  No one's ever asked me, but someone potentially could.
[00:05:17]  And I don't know.
[00:05:19]  No one's ever asked you.
[00:05:20]  People ask me all the time.
[00:05:21]  No one ever asked me if it stands for truly anonymous.
[00:05:24]  No, people ask me what's the deal with the name.
[00:05:26]  Oh, yeah.
[00:05:27]  No, mostly people just ask for my autograph.
[00:05:31]  Because I tell them that I'm QAnon.
[00:05:35]  So speaking of, we have a was that not that wasn't funny.
[00:05:41]  Let's just keep going with it.
[00:05:44]  Let me just, let me, let me retell it.
[00:05:46]  No, it was funny.
[00:05:48]  It wasn't funny.
[00:05:51]  No, mostly people just ask for my measurements.
[00:05:56]  No one asked for your measurements.
[00:05:58]  You know how like women's measurements are like 24, 32, 48 or whatever?
[00:06:02]  Like, I don't know.
[00:06:04]  I just know that song or whatever.
[00:06:05]  I don't know what those.
[00:06:06]  I don't know what they mean.
[00:06:07]  I don't know what they stand for.
[00:06:08]  I don't know what those numbers score.
[00:06:09]  I don't know what those numbers score.
[00:06:11]  22, 34, 48.
[00:06:14]  Yes.
[00:06:14]  Isn't that a song or something?
[00:06:16]  But they're like a woman shaped like a pizza.
[00:06:19]  Oh, that's fitting the subject matter.
[00:06:21]  I don't know what these numbers are.
[00:06:22]  That is like chest measurement, right?
[00:06:27]  Okay.
[00:06:27]  Yeah.
[00:06:27]  So breast measurement, waist, and then hip.
[00:06:31]  So that would be 22.
[00:06:33]  She's got small titties, bigger stomach, big ass hips.
[00:06:37]  So she's like an R crumb style kind of girl.
[00:06:40]  Yeah, like a pizza.
[00:06:41]  Anyways, do guys have those measurements?
[00:06:43]  Like, do could I be like, yeah, I'm 37, 49, 54.
[00:06:48]  Yeah, but you wouldn't say measurements that way because you would be talking about your shoulders, then your chest, and then your waist.
[00:06:55]  So wait, they don't measure.
[00:06:57]  So I, but I also have the titty area.
[00:07:00]  I just don't have.
[00:07:01]  Yeah, your chest.
[00:07:02]  I'm saying, but shoulder measurement is quite important in men's.
[00:07:07]  But less so for women.
[00:07:09]  They could just have four sets of numbers.
[00:07:10]  They don't, they could just do most women's shoulders are pretty much around the same.
[00:07:15]  I mean, within like a two, two.
[00:07:17]  I mean, that's pretty simple.
[00:07:18]  This is such a pill for me.
[00:07:20]  Women.
[00:07:20]  So this is, this is like when someone told me if you stretch your arms out, that's your exact height.
[00:07:24]  So all women just have the same shoulder size.
[00:07:26]  It's the other stuff that's different.
[00:07:27]  No, no.
[00:07:29]  But it's not as determinate of like fit than, say, breast size, waist size, chest size.
[00:07:36]  Also, look, that's really the stuff men are interested in.
[00:07:41]  Not me.
[00:07:42]  I'm interested in brain size.
[00:07:45]  Well, that can't be measured.
[00:07:48]  They really got to add a butt measurement.
[00:07:50]  Anyway, so like, let's keep going.
[00:07:52]  The hips.
[00:07:53]  Well, not really.
[00:07:54]  No.
[00:07:54]  Oh.
[00:07:55]  No, it isn't.
[00:07:59]  If you are going by hip measurements, which by the way, I don't, but if you did, that would be very misleading to somebody who's a numbers guy.
[00:08:07]  I'm not a numbers guy.
[00:08:11]  The Nate Silver of ladies' measurements.
[00:08:15]  I'm imagining that.
[00:08:16]  Certainly not.
[00:08:17]  That is like the worst title anyone could ever have.
[00:08:20]  Like, that is the worst.
[00:08:21]  Like, oh, we call him the Nate Silver of women's measurements.
[00:08:25]  It's like, fucking turn around and run anyone you say that to.
[00:08:29]  I work for Vox for Women.
[00:08:32]  Do you know they have a fashion vertical, or they did when they like relaunched?
[00:08:37]  Vox does?
[00:08:38]  Yeah, they like, they bought racked, and so then Vox tried to kind of.
[00:08:43]  That was like a women's fashion blog.
[00:08:47]  Oh.
[00:08:49]  I'm not seeing.
[00:08:50]  Vox is folding racked is the first thing that comes up.
[00:08:54]  Anyway, they kind of tried to have a like fashion, fashion vertical that was, I mean, you know.
[00:09:01]  Well, about as many people as you can imagine.
[00:09:04]  A lot of people don't know that Liz and I actually tried out several different verticals during like the six-month mark of Truanon's existence.
[00:09:11]  I came up with MILF News, which was news for hotter, older women.
[00:09:17]  Liz had push-up talk, which was like a sort of sports radio, but for push-ups, which did not go far.
[00:09:22]  Turns out most people can't do more than like five.
[00:09:25]  You know, producer here, myself excluded.
[00:09:28]  Oh, well, just myself, really.
[00:09:31]  And of course, I had haircuts, which was a sort of like haircutting.
[00:09:38]  There was no talking.
[00:09:38]  It was just the sound of me cutting someone's hair.
[00:09:42]  Haircutting ASMR.
[00:09:44]  Does that exist?
[00:09:45]  It has to.
[00:09:46]  Yeah, because it's so close to the ear, right?
[00:09:48]  Like a wait.
[00:09:50]  So, you know, like the mics they record with ASMR, there's like ear things and shit.
[00:09:55]  Are they different?
[00:09:58]  They have like different mics than us.
[00:10:00]  Really?
[00:10:00]  Yeah.
[00:10:01]  I mean, I've done the ASMR beta million times on the show, so I'm not going to do it now.
[00:10:04]  You can do it.
[00:10:05]  I've never done it.
[00:10:07]  Just go.
[00:10:09]  Hey.
[00:10:13]  Yeah.
[00:10:14]  See, Liz, I will say a little behind the scenes here.
[00:10:16]  Liz was literally repulsed after she did that.
[00:10:19]  The second time as well.
[00:10:21]  She's hiding from the microphone now.
[00:10:23]  It doesn't feel right.
[00:10:24]  It doesn't feel right.
[00:10:26]  It doesn't feel.
[00:10:26]  People are like, when I first heard about ASMR, someone was like, oh yeah, man, it makes people feel so relaxed.
[00:10:31]  It is the opposite effect of me.
[00:10:34]  It makes me feel deeply uncomfortable.
[00:10:37]  I just, yeah, I, and it, like, even when I just did that, it felt like a faux intimacy or something.
[00:10:46]  It's just like very uncomfortable and weird.
[00:10:49]  And the brand of sexuality is behind it, which I don't like.
[00:10:52]  I listen to, I listen to books on tape to go to sleep.
[00:10:55]  I don't listen to.
[00:10:56]  Do you really?
[00:10:57]  I do.
[00:10:58]  I have, I listen to a fucking million.
[00:11:00]  I'm currently listening to The Rise and Fall.
[00:11:02]  I always listen to ones.
[00:11:03]  I can't listen to something that's.
[00:11:04]  Is this an audible account?
[00:11:05]  You have an Audible account?
[00:11:05]  I do have an Audible account because you get a free book every month.
[00:11:10]  But I always listen to shit I've either read before or like familiar with.
[00:11:15]  To get it back in your head.
[00:11:17]  Or just like, you know, it's like, it makes me sleep.
[00:11:20]  I can like kind of half pay attention.
[00:11:21]  I don't have to like restart a book.
[00:11:22]  How many times can you listen to that Antifa romance novel, though?
[00:11:28]  So I'm actually been reading a really cool book called In Defense of Looting by a grad student that I thought it's, there's a line that struck me from it that said, and like, fuck, forgive me if I get choked up.
[00:11:45]  Looting is femme as fuck.
[00:11:47]  And like, to me, like, as a guy who's been divorced a bunch of times, lost a ton of shit in that, I'm like, that is so fucking true.
[00:11:54]  That is, in fact, one of the truest things I've ever heard.
[00:11:56]  It's femme as fuck because it's like sex.
[00:12:01]  Also, because women be shopping.
[00:12:03]  Yeah, because rioters are fucking the state.
[00:12:08]  Get it?
[00:12:09]  The state fucks.
[00:12:10]  Someone give me a Verso book deal.

=== Save the Children Rallies (15:36) ===

[00:12:12]  How about that?
[00:12:13]  It was like a sub-Verso one, I think.
[00:12:16]  Oh, it's not even Verso Mainline?
[00:12:17]  No, no, no, no.
[00:12:18]  It's like, it's a ver, it's, it's, it came out on, uh, uh, what is it?
[00:12:22]  Imagine you got to be on the B side of a Verso print.
[00:12:25]  Well, Verso bought Racked, and Racked put that out.
[00:12:29]  This is Vox's new vertical, Verso.
[00:12:33]  The left box.
[00:12:38]  We're going to get in trouble.
[00:12:39]  One last thing.
[00:12:41]  If you've written for the new inquiry or read the new inquiry, stop listening to this podcast.
[00:12:45]  So we have a hell of an interview with you guys.
[00:12:49]  What is it, 40 minutes into the intro here?
[00:12:53]  With Julian Field, named after, I'm not telling you which field, but Field of Flanders from World War I, last name comes from.
[00:13:01]  And Travis View, who's named after the view of the Field of Flanders from the QAnon Anonymous Podcast.
[00:13:07]  Yeah, we're talking Q. We're talking Saving the Children.
[00:13:11]  We're talking TikTok.
[00:13:13]  And much, much more.
[00:13:15]  let's get to it.
[00:13:36]  Welcome to the Frazzle Drip Power Hour.
[00:13:39]  I am so excited to have with us today, straight out of the bunkers underneath Buckingham Palace, we have Julian Field and Travis View from QAnon Anonymous Podcast with us.
[00:13:51]  Fellas, how you doing?
[00:13:53]  Doing pretty good.
[00:13:54]  I'm doing excellently.
[00:13:55]  Pretty busy, but thanks for having us on.
[00:13:58]  Yeah, it's a pleasure.
[00:14:00]  We're very excited because one of our, I feel like we've done a lot of Q episodes, most of them with Travis.
[00:14:06]  We did one other one with Robbie Martin.
[00:14:09]  But it is, this one feels the most pressing, I should say.
[00:14:16]  Because in the, whatever, a little over five months since the pandemic kicked off, QAnon, which I always think will somehow, which is one of the most biggest illusions that I have, is that I always think that somehow it'll sort of fade away or morph into something else or kind of like, you know, people will get over it.
[00:14:32]  But QAnon has taken off to heights that a guy like me who invented QAnon could only previously dream of.
[00:14:40]  Yeah.
[00:14:41]  And really.
[00:14:42]  You should have kept control of the account, Brace.
[00:14:44]  I know, but I couldn't remember the trip code or whatever.
[00:14:49]  So I had to give it to that one guy.
[00:14:52]  So you guys recently attended a pair of Save the Children rallies.
[00:14:57]  And would you mind telling us a little bit about, because that sounds, man, I love the children.
[00:15:02]  No, no pedo, but I, I, I think they're great.
[00:15:06]  Everyone loves to save them.
[00:15:08]  Um, what, what, what was uh peculiar about these?
[00:15:13]  What's peculiar about them is that their primary intention wasn't saving the children in any actual real concrete way.
[00:15:20]  It was really just sort of a varnish over what are essentially QAnon rallies.
[00:15:26]  What demarcates these people is that they don't have any connection to anybody who's been saving children in any effective way at all until the coronavirus hit.
[00:15:34]  So that tells you everything you need to know.
[00:15:36]  Then there are actually some groups that are, I guess, doing better work than others, even within this like crazy QAnon tinge space.
[00:15:44]  So it's not all complete trash, but the vast majority are just waiting to get on stage to be like, we need to kill Podesta.
[00:15:51]  Yeah, I mean, it should be said that there is like an actual charity called Save the Children, which has been like a big point of confusion in the online space where a lot of this stuff is like spread and what has kind of led to this stuff in person really gaining a lot of momentum or it moving out of the online space into like the real world, it seems, because it's, you know, I actually think that real charity was using the hashtag save, hashtag save the children before.
[00:16:21]  And it basically was completely co-opted in the kind of Q space.
[00:16:28]  And then it moved and morphed into this other thing, right?
[00:16:32]  Well, they were better at PR basically than the actual Save the Children people.
[00:16:36]  They rallied people through a secret code and made them feel like they belonged to something.
[00:16:41]  And then suddenly, of course, they were focused on this.
[00:16:43]  But yeah, previously, I mean, they didn't even know about this.
[00:16:45]  So I am going to be talking to one of the organizers in London, which is one of the more confusing spaces, like the UK for this, this stuff, because, you know, they're not really talking about Hillary.
[00:16:54]  They do here and there.
[00:16:55]  But, you know, they still love the Adrenochrome stuff.
[00:16:58]  And some of them seem relatively clean of the Q stuff, but very few.
[00:17:02]  Yeah, I think what's been so, I mean, at least, so there seems to be, for people who don't know exactly what we're talking about, there's this sort of like meme that has gained, it seems like it started off as a meme, even in Q spaces.
[00:17:19]  And it's just gained so much momentum and grown into just something much, much larger.
[00:17:25]  And the idea being that 800,000 children in the United States are missing every year, which is an obscene amount, by the way, we should say.
[00:17:38]  That's, yeah, that's that's, but that's what's being repeated.
[00:17:42]  And that 800,000 children are missing every year in the United States.
[00:17:48]  And we need to go out and save the children.
[00:17:50]  And then that kind of.
[00:17:51]  It's like a white genocide.
[00:17:52]  There you go.
[00:17:54]  And so that kind of like moves into some other kind of cute stuff in Pizzagate.
[00:17:59]  But it's not always explicit that it is Pizzagate related.
[00:18:03]  Right.
[00:18:04]  But that's the kind of like core of the meme.
[00:18:06]  And it sort of has now turned into a series of protests that have happened in various locations across the United States.
[00:18:13]  But as you rightly bring up, across the pond, as I like to say, particularly, I think, in front of Buckingham Palace, which has been going on for a couple of days.
[00:18:22]  Yes.
[00:18:23]  Actually, I have to say, screaming pedophiles over and over into Buckingham Palace gates.
[00:18:27]  It's hard to object to that.
[00:18:28]  It's going to be on a yes to that.
[00:18:30]  Yes.
[00:18:31]  Also, they get to say pedophiles, which I really appreciate what the British Acts say.
[00:18:35]  Actually, that did work to summon the entirety of the royal family.
[00:18:39]  So maybe there are something there.
[00:18:40]  Yeah.
[00:18:41]  But that 800,000 missing children statistic, it comes from basically an old article from the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children.
[00:18:49]  And what people did was that they just Googled how many children are missing every year.
[00:18:54]  And that is the Google answer box answer, the very first result that you see when you Google that question.
[00:19:00]  And this is where the QAnon Pizzagate people, they stopped researching.
[00:19:04]  They didn't look any further.
[00:19:05]  They didn't ask any deeper questions.
[00:19:07]  They said 800,000 missing children.
[00:19:09]  And they concluded from that that there were like 800,000 missing abductions.
[00:19:13]  And there were like 800,000 abductions.
[00:19:17]  Children were just disappearing off the planet at the rate of about a million a year.
[00:19:21]  Well, that's the thing, too.
[00:19:23]  I saw a sign that just straight up moved the zero and said 8 million.
[00:19:28]  Well, that's what's so astounding about it to me because if you think about it for like a second, then you're like, oh, that's absurd.
[00:19:36]  Like, obviously, one in five children disappeared this year.
[00:19:41]  The entire population of San Francisco in children disappears every year.
[00:19:46]  And then compounding years, we're not going to have a lot of children left.
[00:19:50]  But also, it's like, if you are a normal person or a young person and you hear, you know, that the government won't tell you this, but a million children disappear every year.
[00:19:58]  You'd be like, holy shit, a million children?
[00:20:00]  I mean, of course it gets repeated.
[00:20:02]  It's fucking insane, right?
[00:20:04]  Right.
[00:20:05]  Of course, yeah.
[00:20:06]  And from what I gather, probably a lot of those children.
[00:20:08]  I mean, you file a missing persons report and I assume that that's collected into that data or something.
[00:20:16]  That's right.
[00:20:16]  Yeah.
[00:20:16]  It counts just every single missing person's report.
[00:20:19]  And the problem is that like 99.9% of those children, like the overwhelming majority, are returned home safely.
[00:20:26]  Yeah, this could be anybody.
[00:20:27]  This is a big problem.
[00:20:28]  Like you lose sight at a mall or something.
[00:20:29]  Yeah, exactly.
[00:20:30]  If they're gone for 24 hours and then you file a missing persons report because you don't know where they are and then they returned home safely the next day.
[00:20:38]  That counts as a missing child.
[00:20:40]  And so the problem is that they don't do just any deeper research.
[00:20:45]  They just go for the most sensational interpretation and they stop thinking.
[00:20:48]  Okay, but what do the kids mean when they come back and say we were playing Smash Brothers?
[00:20:55]  Yeah, I mean, that's the thing.
[00:20:56]  So you've got like, you know, it's like you've got a lot of people out there on the internet and now in the real world basically promoting the idea that there are like 800,000 outstanding missing children this year.
[00:21:10]  Every year.
[00:21:10]  This year alone.
[00:21:11]  Yeah.
[00:21:11]  I mean, that's the compound.
[00:21:13]  And sort of the implication with that is that they are being abducted.
[00:21:18]  And if they're being abducted, there has to be some kind of organized ring abducting them.
[00:21:22]  And that most likely culprit there is the Podesta Brothers.
[00:21:26]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:21:26]  And that kind of stuff goes back to McMartin, where you basically, to make your delusions real, you need to carve out tunnels beneath buildings where you could fit all these children, right?
[00:21:36]  Yeah.
[00:21:37]  And so I'm like wondering at these rallies, is it like, I feel, I mean, these were from, I saw the pictures, you know, obviously quite a lot of QAnon signs there.
[00:21:49]  But like, I know both of you attended, I think, I think, different ones.
[00:21:53]  Were there a lot of people who were there who had just like heard the statistic or whatever, seen a meme, seen a TikTok and rolled out because, you know, they care about this sort of plague of missing children?
[00:22:03]  In LA, I'd say at most one in five was my impression.
[00:22:07]  You know, I spoke to some like, like I spoke to a Hispanic woman in her mid-30s and she seemed a little confused, but she knew what Pizzagate was.
[00:22:16]  She just didn't like have the data for us.
[00:22:18]  So she turned to her cousin who was underage and her cousin said, oh, yeah, we know everything about Pizzagate.
[00:22:24]  So it's always at least linked to that.
[00:22:26]  I mean, very few of these are kind of being drawn out without that attached to it, even at least secretly.
[00:22:31]  But then on top of that, the second rally was like super hijacked by multiple like extreme Christian groups, basically.
[00:22:37]  Multiple different pastors were up there talking about blood, everything from like, you know, these are adrenochrome shrines, like Emperor Nimrod is involved and my father is a Mason and I'm going to reveal it all to like just more straightforward, like they're sucking the children of their blood to feed these stars.
[00:22:57]  That's what makes them stars.
[00:22:58]  And this is a ritual.
[00:23:00]  Because this was in Hollywood, right?
[00:23:02]  Yeah.
[00:23:02]  And Travis was at a smaller one.
[00:23:05]  Yeah, I was at a smaller one.
[00:23:06]  And I would say that like, again, a minority of people were there just to save the children in a general sense.
[00:23:13]  Most of them were down with QAnon or Pizzagate.
[00:23:16]  There were, for example, their call and response chants of where we go one, we go all.
[00:23:21]  So, I mean, this is a, I mean, this is a problem.
[00:23:23]  This is, I mean, it's, it's, it's a, it's a PR tactic more than anything else to sort of shield, sort of detach what they're doing away from the baggage of QAnon.
[00:23:32]  And it's very clever, honestly.
[00:23:34]  And not to mention in LA, the woman who made some of the big speeches and they had organized a group.
[00:23:39]  They'd come with t-shirts, these red t-shirts, and there was a kind of save the children logo on the side that was two children's face on each other in profile, kind of like the women's march logo.
[00:23:48]  100% you squint your eyes, it just looks like a cue.
[00:23:51]  So they think they're being very subtle.
[00:23:53]  What's interesting about covering QAnon is like, you never have to dig too deep because they believe everyone else is building symbology into this stuff.
[00:24:00]  So they actually do it.
[00:24:01]  It's a bit like, you know, how you fear communists are going to kill you.
[00:24:04]  So let's kill the communists first.
[00:24:06]  Do you think that that's like a conscious choice or it's just sort of morphing into this other thing?
[00:24:12]  I think that these people know that it's unseemly, like that a lot of people will get turned off.
[00:24:17]  There was even a speech by one of the organizers saying, you know, we don't have the facts on Pizzagate.
[00:24:22]  You know what's going to pill these people?
[00:24:23]  Focusing on Viacom, focusing on Netflix, focusing on how they're putting sexuality into our media, that kind of stuff.
[00:24:29]  But then the next person was right back on the QAnon side.
[00:24:32]  There was like no holding them back.
[00:24:33]  They were so extreme at my rally recently.
[00:24:36]  Yeah.
[00:24:36]  I mean, this is the funny thing about QAnon people.
[00:24:39]  Like some of them say that, you know, I'm with 17, wink, wink, wink.
[00:24:43]  Yeah.
[00:24:43]  And they, they try to, you'll never get this.
[00:24:45]  Yeah, exactly.
[00:24:46]  They're trying to be coded these terrible ways.
[00:24:48]  And other people, they often just drop all pretense of code and they say that Q told me X, Y, and Z. One guy was fighting a lot with people at our rally, screaming about save the children.
[00:24:58]  But then he later said that there is a basement in, quote, cosmic ping pong pizza.
[00:25:03]  Right.
[00:25:04]  So it doesn't even get the name of the place.
[00:25:05]  And you're like, no, no, it's Call Met.
[00:25:07]  And yes, I agree.
[00:25:08]  I know they're not.
[00:25:09]  Yes, I've been there and they, you know what?
[00:25:11]  Pretty good parties.
[00:25:14]  And so you mentioned before, like, you know, these two Latina women you were talking to.
[00:25:21]  And I think what a lot of people hear about QAnon people, they assume these are like, you know, 65-year-old Facebook moms, you know, people who spend too old people who are maybe cut off from their families, spend too much time on the internet and get drawn into this because they, you know, are trained to think everything they read is true.
[00:25:38]  And so they don't get that they're being lied to on the internet.
[00:25:41]  But from the pictures and from sort of what you guys' podcast episode about it, it seems that that was definitely not the case.
[00:25:50]  And is that like a new thing?
[00:25:52]  And what do you kind of think the implications for that is?
[00:25:55]  I think that it was just, I mean, as usual, I think people underestimate like how a local population will represent itself.
[00:26:03]  I mean, if you look at the LA rally, it was very just demographically LA.
[00:26:07]  And there is a kind of bent towards Christianity.
[00:26:10]  And oftentimes women who are taking care of the children are going to be the ones worrying at home with extra time to be on YouTube or whatever.
[00:26:17]  But that's a lot of the people that kind of get funneled into it are like that.
[00:26:20]  But it also depends who organizes it.
[00:26:22]  So the first one we went to had tons of people of color and kind of young, even queer people who were saying, hey, LGBT will never accept pedophiles.
[00:26:30]  It's just not part of our community kind of thing.
[00:26:33]  But you definitely saw like young, really good-looking people who might be like, you know, the people you hang out with at a party that you associate with like mostly lefties.
[00:26:43]  There was a porn star there that we haven't, we're not trying to dox her or whatever, but she's like clearly what seems like a young liberal woman of color and a sex worker.
[00:26:52]  And she was just there holding Hillary Clinton is Satan sign.
[00:26:56]  So very straightforward.
[00:26:57]  Fair enough.
[00:26:59]  Yeah, I mean, you know, I think the argument is like, does she have an esoteric technique to drain babies in any particular way?
[00:27:05]  Or are we just dealing with another horrifying politician?
[00:27:08]  Yeah, yes.
[00:27:10]  Travis, what about the one you went to?
[00:27:12]  Yeah, the one I went to was not quite that as wild.
[00:27:16]  I mean, most of them look pretty.
[00:27:18]  I mean, if you saw them at a shopping mall or something, you wouldn't look twice at them.
[00:27:23]  They were young and old, and they were quite diverse ethnically as well.
[00:27:28]  But there were about 100 people and they shouted, you know, they shouted slogans.
[00:27:34]  They talked about saving the children.
[00:27:37]  So I mean, this is the, I mean, this is what I think is really kind of insidious about the whole save the children thing is that it feels like a actual protest that's trying to address a genuine injustice.

=== Epstein Flight Log Revelations (14:57) ===

[00:27:49]  And it has that feel.
[00:27:51]  But when you scratch on their surface, it's basically either substanceless or it's sort of just a front for a far-right online radicalization program.
[00:28:00]  One thing that really made me want to talk to you guys a bit is how this new Epstein flight log thing is getting completely transformed.
[00:28:08]  We saw a sign attached to a stroller that had two little dogs in it, super cute.
[00:28:13]  And the entire sign was a flight log written by hand by the daughter of the man that was there.
[00:28:18]  And almost all the names were wrong.
[00:28:20]  I mean, it's the confusion between the black book that has a bunch of celebrities he just like had the phone number of.
[00:28:24]  And then the flight logs.
[00:28:25]  The flight log of like, I'm traveling with this dude.
[00:28:28]  Well, actually, I saw, so something that's been being passed around a lot.
[00:28:32]  And it's actually been out there for a while, but it's kind of gained like a lot of this stuff more traction recently.
[00:28:38]  Even unfortunately, I saw one of Epstein's victims share it as well is this, I think, kind of fabricated flight log from 4chan, which has like, you know, like the usual target.
[00:28:49]  Who's that one lady who's married to John Legend?
[00:28:52]  The like Chrissy Tegan.
[00:28:54]  Chrissy Teigen.
[00:28:54]  Like Chrissy Teigen's on it.
[00:28:55]  I think Jimmy Kimmel's on it.
[00:28:57]  Tom Hanks.
[00:28:58]  Tom Hanks is on it.
[00:29:00]  He's guilty of something.
[00:29:02]  But like, it's, it's.
[00:29:04]  Sure.
[00:29:06]  No, but like, like all these people who like were not on Epstein's plane.
[00:29:10]  Right.
[00:29:10]  Like, it, and, like, and like any sort of familiarity with it will show you, like, yeah, that's the Jeffrey Epstein wasn't hanging out with Chrissy Teigen.
[00:29:17]  No, and like, just because you, just because you produced the sperm for Chet Hanks doesn't mean you're automatically a pedophile.
[00:29:24]  Like, obviously, you should be scanned or whatever.
[00:29:26]  Chet Hanks' third eye is open.
[00:29:28]  I've seen his chest statue, man.
[00:29:30]  He's not.
[00:29:31]  That is a pure soul right there.
[00:29:34]  But like, that has really gained a lot of traction.
[00:29:38]  And, like, I mean, it's funny because, like, with the Epstein stuff, it just basically adds more fuel to the fire for the Q people, right?
[00:29:47]  Because they get to say, well, look, you know, he was friends with Bill Clinton, etc., which is, yeah.
[00:29:53]  And then they get to position the Donald Trump line on that as like, well, he kicked him out of his club.
[00:29:58]  I mean, kicking someone out of your club is a far cry from busting them about, you know, over their pedophilia.
[00:30:05]  But like, but like, like everything else, like QAnon has really just like steamrolled over it and absorbed it, essentially.
[00:30:14]  Yeah, I mean, this is, I think, the fake Epstein flight log, I think, is really emblematic of like the weird damage that QAnon does.
[00:30:21]  I mean, there is a real flight log that requires no exaggeration.
[00:30:25]  Chris Tucker is on it, you know?
[00:30:26]  You could, yeah, it's like you could find actual real celebrities that actually flew with Epstein.
[00:30:31]  You don't need to make up extra bullshit to make it more exciting, but they do anyway.
[00:30:36]  They just at least add more nonsense.
[00:30:38]  And then rather than focusing on the real world, you know, suspicion and tragedy that's genuinely worth investigating and seeking justice for.
[00:30:47]  Yeah, I mean, that's something that's been really interesting watching the way this save the children stuff has spread, similar to the Wayfair stuff, which we can, we haven't really gotten into on the podcast, but I think we've talked about it a couple times.
[00:31:02]  Is that like even like, I mean, we should probably talk about the like rise of TikTok here because it's been surprising to see what effect TikTok has had on Save the Children, QAnon, Pizzagate, you know, Pick Your Poison, whichever, and them all kind of having the most ambitious crossover ever, whatever.
[00:31:27]  I mean, it's like, you know, we were talking about this before we started recording, but I was watching a bunch of TikTok videos today, just searching hashtags.
[00:31:34]  And it's like, you know, it's like young, attractive people doing the TikTok dances where they point to the little things that have the, you know, have the words up.
[00:31:43]  And it says, did you know 800,000 kids missing a year?
[00:31:47]  And then, or it'll say like 800,000 kids.
[00:31:50]  I mean, I watched one that had 25 or 26,000 likes that said ICE is abusing 800,000 kids a year.
[00:31:58]  Like there's just like a kind of crazed political narrative that is, I mean, it's like Mad Libs or something that people are describing from creating this viral content and these new communities on this platform.
[00:32:15]  I mean, it's been kind of pretty shocking.
[00:32:17]  I'm actually not as surprised about the teens in a way having kind of seen now, like we've probably watched over a hundred videos of QAnon style people on our stream, but the majority of them, they're 17.
[00:32:30]  Like, I was pilled on loose change when I watched it and I was 17.
[00:32:32]  Like, like, searching for answers and trying to figure out the world, they're, of course, mashing all these things together.
[00:32:38]  So, the question is, like, how many of those remain pilled afterwards?
[00:32:42]  How many of those are just teenage people who are just exploring it temporarily?
[00:32:47]  Some of the influencers have gone so full bore that you can tell that there were rifts in their families, their friends abandoned them, and they kind of sought out a new community among the Q people on TikTok.
[00:32:57]  And those are the ones I worry about the most because they're always mentally ill people or people who've experienced mental illness in the past.
[00:33:03]  The most vulnerable are always the first to go.
[00:33:05]  Yeah, it's even weird saying something like Q influencers.
[00:33:08]  I have to like sit on that kind of image and phrase.
[00:33:12]  But I encourage, no, that's the thing is that like I encourage our listeners to like search this shit on TikTok because you will be really surprised by the image that you see projected back at you because it's not the same kind of like stuff you see on Twitter or anything close to what you see on Facebook.
[00:33:33]  It's completely different.
[00:33:35]  It's funny to see new age people who like, let's say, they buy into a kind of like, let's get better, let's make my body better, my soul better, let's get connected to our community.
[00:33:44]  And then suddenly they have the politics come in because the situation is so fucked up in terms of like the wealth disparity, the situation of people during the pandemic.
[00:33:53]  So they're experiencing all these like insane material conditions.
[00:33:56]  And so I don't think it's like such a huge surprise that you're seeing just these popcorns just popping.
[00:34:01]  Oh, I absolutely, I don't think it's a surprise.
[00:34:04]  I mean, it's like heartbreaking in a way.
[00:34:06]  Like, I mean, in a lot of ways.
[00:34:08]  I think like what's, I mean, at least to me, what's immediately shocking is, or what I think some people might find shocking, is just how, like, how much this stuff looks like any other viral piece of content that, like, this looks like Jessica Alba doing a viral TikTok dance, except it's about Pizzagate.
[00:34:31]  Do you know what I mean?
[00:34:32]  And like, there's like, there, like, that is pretty jarring and interesting.
[00:34:36]  And it seems to be reaching just a whole nother tier of people.
[00:34:41]  And the fact that it is, like we say, like either by design or just sort of how this thing is spreading using these really vague terms, like you're not going to see, you know, the normal kind of cue like Easter eggs in a lot of these videos.
[00:34:58]  Like it's going to be things like Save the Children, which sound kind of innocuous or, you know, other sorts of things that sound like, oh, I could kind of get behind that or very, you know, vaguely support that.
[00:35:10]  The major portal that opened for TikTok teens was around the yummy video, which was a Bieber video because he was posting kids online.
[00:35:18]  And like, you know, it was obviously the structure around it.
[00:35:21]  If you get the context, like it's not, it doesn't seem sinister.
[00:35:24]  It just seems like another terrible idea by a bunch of people who are directing him.
[00:35:28]  So what's the yummy video?
[00:35:30]  So yeah, he kind of had this recent single release called Yummy.
[00:35:36]  Yeah, you got that yummy yum, the yummy, yum, that yummy, yummy, yummy.
[00:35:42]  And there is a music video that takes place in a restaurant in which a lot of old people are served jello dishes.
[00:35:49]  It's very weird.
[00:35:50]  Yeah, it's very like kitsch.
[00:35:51]  It's kitsch on purpose.
[00:35:52]  It's very like entertainment complex of today.
[00:35:56]  Maker Studio stuff.
[00:35:58]  A lot of young people got into their heads that just that the yummy and the music video were actually secret codes wherein Justin Bieber was trying to reveal the truth of Pizzagate.
[00:36:08]  And this was kind of accelerated by online disinformation that claimed that Bieber was offered the chance to essentially like molest and kill a child, but he declined because Justin Bieber is a good boy in Hollywood.
[00:36:21]  So there's this.
[00:36:22]  That's an interesting, interesting take on Justin Bieber.
[00:36:24]  Yeah, I know.
[00:36:25]  It's like, it's weird the ones that they decide like, okay, all of Hollywood's corrupt, but we're going to pick out a few guys that are good.
[00:36:31]  They picked the young people.
[00:36:33]  They couldn't let go of Bieber.
[00:36:34]  So they decided that he couldn't come out and say, oh, Hollywood is awful.
[00:36:38]  It's full of child sacrificing pedophiles and needs to be burnt to the ground.
[00:36:43]  And so he had to reveal the secrets of Hollywood through his music video.
[00:36:49]  Actually, I think it kind of makes sense with Bieber because they're, first of all, because he was a child actor, or not actor, but child singer.
[00:36:56]  And so there's this kind of like presumption, which, you know, fair enough, that like, you know, kids that move into the business at a really young age are, you know, extremely exploited.
[00:37:08]  Use that as like a degree up to the point of abuse.
[00:37:11]  But then also he had those moments, those kind of like bizarre breakdown moments, which were definitely not as far or as crazy as Brittany in her heyday, but where he was like wasted and said all this shit about Bill Clinton.
[00:37:27]  Do you remember that?
[00:37:27]  I remember that.
[00:37:29]  Yeah, him is like, yeah, sorry.
[00:37:32]  It was really weird.
[00:37:33]  I can't even remember exactly what he said, but he said something disparaging about Bill Clinton.
[00:37:39]  And it was in like kind of a viral video.
[00:37:42]  And this is, and then, you know, he comes out and he's like, I'm going to rehab or I got to spend some time on myself or some bullshit or whatever.
[00:37:48]  You know?
[00:37:49]  And so it wouldn't surprise me if something like that, like that all kind of is part of the mythos that allows a star to kind of occupy that space, I think.
[00:37:59]  In the same way that I could see something like that similar happening with like Ariana Grande because of her like kind of public breakdowns with the donut and you know these kind of like breaking the fourth wall stuff that she would do with her fans.
[00:38:13]  Just a little pop culture, you know, rumination.
[00:38:16]  About the Justin Bieber thing is that I am looking at e-online right now, and the headline is: Justin Bieber talks to Bill Clinton, apologizes for dissing ex-president while peeing in a bucket.
[00:38:28]  Insider tells e-news that the former commander-in-chief took Bieber saying, fuck Bill Clinton in jest.
[00:38:34]  Team tweeted that the Prez was a hashtag great guy.
[00:38:38]  He apologized for on two bars of Xanax saying this is Bill Clinton's open mouth.
[00:38:44]  And I will say, I don't know.
[00:38:46]  If you've looked into Justin Bieber's dad, that definitely seems like the kind of dad who either does drugs or has sex with women in the same room as his son.
[00:38:56]  That's the thing about the entertainment industry in general is that it is horrifying.
[00:39:00]  It is processing children, destroying their lives, processing celebrities, destroying their lives, abusing people, using their sexuality as a kind of like energy to sell their bullshit and then casting them aside when they're done with them.
[00:39:10]  So this deeper truth, this kind of like, oh, instinctively I feel it's true, is what's at play because then maybe you're not very discerning.
[00:39:17]  You're going to get like a little bits of information here and there, but you're like, but on a profound level, like, yeah, they're bad, you know, and they're not wrong in that sense.
[00:39:24]  That's what's so fucking hard.
[00:39:26]  Yeah.
[00:39:27]  Also, I mean, you know, it is curious that Justin Bieber would pick Bill Clinton, which he was like three or zero when Bill Clinton was president.
[00:39:34]  So what I'm saying is maybe I'm a believer truther on this one.
[00:39:41]  Who made him tweet hashtag great guy about Bill?
[00:39:44]  He's probably the only person in history who's tweeted that about Bill Clinton.
[00:39:47]  Yeah, what a fucking suck up.
[00:39:48]  Man, the DNC really hit him hard, huh?
[00:39:50]  They're just like, sir, you will be apologizing.
[00:39:53]  You will be saying that Bill Clinton has never urinated and that he's actually a pure man.
[00:39:59]  Well, they could set MS-13 after him, A-Law Seth Rich.
[00:40:24]  So, you know, this is all to say that this QAnon stuff has, I mean, especially recently, really, really, I mean, it's hit the mainstream before, but it's like really hit the mainstream now.
[00:40:35]  I mean, we have this woman, Marjorie Taylor Green, who recently won her primary in Georgia's 14th district.
[00:40:44]  And she is, well, I don't want to say unabashed QAnon believer because she seems mildly abashed by it, or at least abashed enough to lie about her past concerning it.
[00:40:58]  But like, yeah, we've got our first full-on, I mean, she's almost certainly going to win her general election.
[00:41:07]  We've got our first, I believe, first, full-on QAnon member of Congress.
[00:41:12]  Yeah, the thing with her is that, you know, the only reason that she, you know, like you said, she was abashed is because she started getting condemnations from certain parts of the GOP, but they were very soft.
[00:41:21]  I mean, the Koch brothers, they loaned her, or they donated $5,000, which is fucking peanuts.
[00:41:28]  She put $900,000 of her own money up for her election.
[00:41:32]  So she built a bridge and was like, you have to listen to me.
[00:41:35]  And so the GOP was even their candidate, the guy right under her, he was unable to even raise like that amount of money within like his base or whatever.
[00:41:46]  So the point is like John Cowen.
[00:41:48]  Yeah, he also had it.
[00:41:48]  He had a terrible message, which was like all of the conservative, none of the crazy.
[00:41:52]  And the voters said, we want the crazy.
[00:41:54]  That's the thing.
[00:41:55]  He was still fucking holding a gun in his goddamn colour.
[00:41:58]  The guy's a fucking lunatic, too.
[00:42:00]  Exactly.
[00:42:00]  But he didn't have that QAnon edge one.
[00:42:03]  And so as soon as she kind of got in through that first door, where it was clear she was going to win no matter what the GOP wanted to do, then you had like, you know, like people saying, oh, I protest like two or three people or whatever.
[00:42:14]  And then the money thing with the Koch brothers.
[00:42:16]  But let's be honest, it was more just a hazing saying, hey, if you're going to come into the fold, we're going to need you to do some bare minimum shit.
[00:42:22]  And Travis can tell you how well that fucking supposed kind of, you know, disowning of QAnon went, which by the way, the GOP is now saying she disowned QAnon, which is false.
[00:42:33]  But Travis is aware.
[00:42:34]  So what happened was that Marjorie Taylor Greene went to Fox Dation, which is really like, which is like Fox's digital platform.
[00:42:42]  So it was apparently.
[00:42:43]  So literally no one watches it.
[00:42:45]  No one watches it.

=== Dark Psychic Forces Explained (15:39) ===

[00:42:46]  I just put it there.
[00:42:47]  All right, let's get this out of the way.
[00:42:48]  She was in a box, a wooden box.
[00:42:51]  It was a weird, uncomfortable interview.
[00:42:52]  And then she was asked about QAnon, and then she couldn't really do it.
[00:42:59]  What she said was like, you know, after following QAnon, I went on a different path.
[00:43:03]  And then she said that, and then she said that when asked about misinformation that she saw from QAnon, she said like, well, you know, they said that the midterms were safe and the midterms weren't safe.
[00:43:14]  And so she owned up to a single thing that QAnon got wrong, but she didn't disown the movement.
[00:43:20]  She didn't say, I don't want to have anything to do with QAnon or I was wrong or that to follow QAnon on this fake news or anything like that.
[00:43:29]  She didn't disown it.
[00:43:30]  Her criticism could have been of like fucking Nate Silver.
[00:43:32]  It was so milky toast and like unrelated.
[00:43:35]  Exactly.
[00:43:36]  Like criticizing a pundit.
[00:43:37]  Oh, you got it wrong.
[00:43:38]  Yeah, you got it wrong.
[00:43:38]  So I decided a different path.
[00:43:40]  Yeah, exactly.
[00:43:41]  It's not the problem with, yeah, the problem with Marjorie Taylor Greene is that she's only comfortable when attacking.
[00:43:46]  And this interview when she's allegedly disowning QAnon, which she doesn't, is that she's very, very uncomfortable because she's forced to reflect upon the things that she claimed to believe in the past that she doesn't promote quite as strongly anymore.
[00:43:59]  And I tend to talk about this a lot, but I think it's a bit like the Nazis kind of saying, well, Volkish occultism has done what it could.
[00:44:06]  It got us here.
[00:44:06]  And now we don't fucking need it anymore.
[00:44:08]  It's not actually useful on the ground.
[00:44:10]  Operationally, it fucking sucks, actually.
[00:44:12]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:44:13]  And then we say that until the Koch brothers stop holding their nose and put in more than $5,000 into these congressional races.
[00:44:20]  Isn't that what fucking happened with the Tea Party, though?
[00:44:22]  They waited.
[00:44:23]  They were like, no, no, no.
[00:44:24]  And then they were like, oh, shit.
[00:44:25]  Okay, well, fine.
[00:44:25]  We'll help you.
[00:44:26]  And then they cut away.
[00:44:27]  I mean, in a lot of ways, Q is the tragedy farce to the Tea Party.
[00:44:32]  Like, it's, and there's a direct line there, which, you know, many of us, many other people have pointed out.
[00:44:37]  But like, I think she was, so Marjorie Taylor Greene, she worked, or she, I mean, worked, I don't know what the, okay, she blogged for a thing called American Truth Seekers, where she wrote that Charlottesville was an inside job to further the agenda of the elites.
[00:44:57]  None of this happened under Trump.
[00:44:59]  Yep.
[00:45:00]  Yeah, that was in 2017.
[00:45:02]  So did he do it?
[00:45:04]  Is that inside of this inside job?
[00:45:08]  Think mirror brace.
[00:45:09]  God damn it, man.
[00:45:10]  Black ops, man.
[00:45:11]  No, no, this is the deep state.
[00:45:13]  It's the deep state.
[00:45:14]  It plays into this whole Soros deep state idea.
[00:45:17]  Exactly.
[00:45:17]  They're outside forces that Trump can't squash quite yet.
[00:45:20]  By the way, those 900,000, they came from the fact that she's a real estate heir.
[00:45:24]  Her fucking family has shit tons of real estate.
[00:45:27]  And the reason she was able to run in the district she ran in is because she fucking carpet bagged.
[00:45:32]  She bought a house in that district.
[00:45:34]  Unclear if she ever moved.
[00:45:35]  And suddenly she's running there.
[00:45:37]  Classic.
[00:45:39]  Yeah, that is.
[00:45:40]  So you actually just mentioned, one of you guys just mentioned dark forces.
[00:45:44]  And that reminds me of a sweet little thing that Donald Trump said, I believe yesterday about my good friend Joe Biden, which is in a interview with, what's her name, Laura, the severe-looking blonde woman from Laura Ingram?
[00:46:00]  Laura Ingram, yeah, of the MAC 10 Ingram family.
[00:46:03]  I never know if it's Ingram or Ingraham.
[00:46:06]  I can never say it right.
[00:46:08]  Worcester, Worcester.
[00:46:09]  I think that Kennedy is having the same issue.
[00:46:11]  Exactly.
[00:46:12]  Ingraham.
[00:46:13]  Oh, God.
[00:46:14]  But she asks Trump, I can't remember exactly what the question is.
[00:46:20]  And he goes into what I think, I mean, with no evidence, of course, but in classic QAnon style, I think, probably slightly planned out as a little bit of a wink, wink, nudge, nudge, into a little short diatribe, very vague.
[00:46:37]  In fact, I don't think he could be much vaguer about dark forces pulling the strings of Joe Biden.
[00:46:43]  Yep.
[00:46:43]  Yeah.
[00:46:43]  Yeah.
[00:46:44]  I mean, yeah, the thing is that is like, it was a wink, wink, nudge, nudge to all conspiracy theorists because this is like, this is like, this is like the vaw, the vague, broad template of all conspiratorial narratives.
[00:46:55]  Be like, oh, so here's what we got.
[00:46:56]  We've got dark forces that are pulling the strings and they're controlling Joe Biden.
[00:47:00]  And like, no, no details.
[00:47:02]  Well, first of all, how insane is that a president is telling us that there are dark forces influencing America, but he won't say what they are so we could like address it?
[00:47:12]  It's being investigated.
[00:47:13]  What are you going to interfere with?
[00:47:14]  He's actually just echoing Marianne Williamson.
[00:47:16]  He's talking about the dark psychic forces.
[00:47:19]  She said that Q was a dark psychic force.
[00:47:21]  So I was very glad to see Marianne come out against Q. Trump also came out and said that he denied having a bunch of strokes, which I have to say on the podcast that we recorded yesterday, I said that I thought that maybe he had a stroke, which proves the fact that perhaps the president right now, Professor Dr. Donald Trump, if you're listening, Donnie Deals.
[00:47:45]  Hello.
[00:47:46]  Thanks for listening to the podcast.
[00:47:48]  Thanks for dropping in.
[00:47:50]  If he has 17, though, if he has 17, he goes super cyan and becomes Q plus.
[00:47:54]  So he's waiting.
[00:47:56]  So that also reminds me, of course, of another, well, actually, a couple other things Trump said.
[00:48:01]  One is he repeated like a, of course, like as far as anybody knows or can even guess, totally baseless rumor that Antifa people were being flown into Washington to protest the RNC, all in black clothes or whatever.
[00:48:17]  They got the upgrade.
[00:48:18]  They're not on buses anymore.
[00:48:19]  Yeah, they got the plane ticket.
[00:48:20]  And they're on now.
[00:48:21]  They have fucking soup.
[00:48:23]  Yes, yes.
[00:48:25]  They're leveling up the Antifa.
[00:48:27]  They're going to be in like jet planes soon.
[00:48:30]  Yeah, the arms race.
[00:48:31]  People don't talk about that.
[00:48:31]  First, it's soup, then it's whatever, like old vegetables.
[00:48:34]  These people are fucking going, they're out of control.
[00:48:37]  The cans get heavier.
[00:48:40]  But he also was asked about Q recently.
[00:48:43]  And, you know, that's been, for listeners who don't follow this stuff that well, that has been a big, let's say, ask of the Q people is ask him about Q.
[00:48:56]  And like, he'll give you an answer.
[00:48:58]  And I honestly don't think he could have threaded that needle any better than he did.
[00:49:03]  I mean, the question was actually pretty good, too, because he's always just sort of pretended to be like, oh, I don't know what you're talking about.
[00:49:10]  And she explained it to him.
[00:49:11]  And he was able to essentially just be like, I still don't know, but I know they like me.
[00:49:15]  And, you know, what's wrong with fighting pedophiles?
[00:49:18]  Yeah, he said that, is that a good thing or a bad thing?
[00:49:23]  No clear answer, but enough of a wink to the QAnon community that they were absolutely over the moon.
[00:49:29]  So like, what do you think?
[00:49:31]  I mean, you guys have talked a lot on your show about how Donald Trump obviously knows what QAnon is.
[00:49:36]  I mean, he's retreated QAnon people like 500,000 fucking times at this point.
[00:49:40]  You know, he follows a lot of like, let's say, some questionable sources on some certain topics.
[00:49:51]  But like, how do you think this really like like, What I'm guessing here is that like he understands that this is like a valuable constituency that like loves him.
[00:50:03]  And like, I think that this is sort of going to become more mainstream in the Republican Party, more mainstream than it already is.
[00:50:11]  How do you think this is kind of going to shake out with that sort of stuff?
[00:50:14]  Because people thought the Republican Party was going to be like a Nazi party.
[00:50:18]  Turns out, well, I mean, if you count David Ick as a Nazi, I guess it counts.
[00:50:22]  But like, it turns out it's going to be way weirder than that.
[00:50:26]  It looks like really clearly that it's going to become like QAnon is going to be a major constituent force of that party.
[00:50:31]  Yeah.
[00:50:31]  David Ick is a clone, by the way.
[00:50:33]  David Icke is a Nazi.
[00:50:35]  My bad.
[00:50:35]  Yeah.
[00:50:36]  Well, it's an American pronunciation.
[00:50:38]  I mean, I think we might get, you know, the QAnon-Nazi sort of alliance going on because like, because that sort of almost kind of embodied in Marjorie Taylor Greene, because like we, the thing about QAnon is that they provide cover and justification for essentially authoritarian fascist crackdowns.
[00:50:57]  Yeah, I think fascism is more of like a Pokemon evolution of QAnon.
[00:51:00]  It's not, it's not, they're not like very different things.
[00:51:03]  They're just like different stages of raw.
[00:51:06]  No, I mean, like, like, yeah, if like, if like, you know, if, you know, Trump ordered the Department of Homeland Security to round up all major Democrats, like the QA, in a totally fascist, illegal way, then the QAnon community would say, good, we're excited.
[00:51:20]  This is happening.
[00:51:21]  Not, oh, we live in a dictatorship now and that is bad.
[00:51:25]  They would be excited about this authoritarian crackdown.
[00:51:27]  It provides this sort of this framework that makes it good and okay for them.
[00:51:31]  Because if these crimes exist, so like if the occultists set up this set of fucked up, like, I mean, primordially fucked up crimes, then when you finally get the news of what's happening on the ground, the kind of fascist side of things, like you said, rounding up, killing people, it's like, well, yeah, I mean, I can't believe they haven't done it sooner.
[00:51:47]  Yeah.
[00:51:48]  What took it?
[00:51:48]  What took them so long?
[00:51:50]  Well, I think too, it's like, I mean, you know, Q will continue on in its kind of growing in the way that it is, I think, you know, if Trump were to win re-election.
[00:52:01]  But I think that if Biden wins, it's going to grow aggressively, like more, like in a different way, too, because it's going to be able to create a brand new kind of offshoot narrative to explain the election and then what the, you know, upcoming plan is For the next four years or whatever.
[00:52:23]  And it almost gives it, it breathes a new life into it in a way that, you know, I don't know.
[00:52:29]  I don't think a lot of people have thought about where I, maybe I just haven't seen it.
[00:52:34]  But I would be like a pretty concerned there just because, like you said, I mean, we're being set up for, okay, so let's walk through an example if like, you know, the polling and all this stuff is correct and Joe Biden like coast to victory, which, you know, let's putting aside my thoughts on if that's the case.
[00:52:53]  Like if that were to happen, you've suddenly got a Republican Party that needs to kind of like figure out where do we go from here.
[00:53:02]  We've got Trumpism and at the extreme end of what they call Trumpism.
[00:53:07]  They've got the QAnonism.
[00:53:08]  Yeah.
[00:53:09]  And you've got a really fiery base that's already now creating brand new like justificatory narratives for its own existence and growth over the next couple of years.
[00:53:22]  Like you say, people are going to glob onto it.
[00:53:24]  Funders are going to glob onto it.
[00:53:26]  And it's going to be, I mean, I think it has the potential to be a much bigger, more mainstream thing than even we're seeing now.
[00:53:35]  As opposed to the DNC, Q, you know, like the GOP is very willing to take the fervor where it exists.
[00:53:42]  And I think that the more we have a kind of, you know, at best, astro turf presidency in Biden, we're only going to get a kind of increase of the things that make people believe these things.
[00:53:56]  So I don't think that's going away.
[00:53:58]  And you're right, you know, whether it's Trump or not, Trump, it's like, hey, I'm having some cognitive dissonance.
[00:54:03]  He's not doing the stuff I need and my material, you know, conditions are not changing versus Biden, again, my material conditions are not changing.
[00:54:12]  So, you know, or worsening actually.
[00:54:14]  So, yeah, I think that this is not going to stop until people get rid of the giant gray space in our intelligence agencies and in the way that politics are funded.
[00:54:27]  Yeah, I think it's a shame because I think like liberals, you know, liberals and kind of like mainstream journalists, even mainstream journalists who cover Q, like there seems to be this like blind spot here where they think that this stuff will just disappear once Trump is gone.
[00:54:43]  And I just think that like everything we've seen, like we kind of started this episode talking about is like, and you guys have been covering this for years now.
[00:54:52]  It's like all we've seen is this movement get bigger and broader and stranger as the years have gone on and captured like many, many, many more people.
[00:55:05]  Like just as the months go on, it's growing exponentially.
[00:55:10]  And there seems to be this idea that it'll just like it's a fad or a trend and it'll just stop.
[00:55:15]  Or it's like something that can be stopped by shutting down Facebook, which, you know, obviously is errand.
[00:55:22]  You know, couldn't, no, it couldn't hurt.
[00:55:24]  Well, it's not.
[00:55:24]  Well, we should shut down Facebook for other reasons, too.
[00:55:27]  Tracking the whole Epstein thing, that is such a huge fucking thing.
[00:55:30]  Every day there's no justice around this stuff that is so clearly wrong, that is so clearly our like kind of quote-unquote elite class just taking advantage of us and treating us like cattle and just idiots.
[00:55:42]  Every day that's not addressed is another day where that space will be filled with conspiracy theories.
[00:55:48]  It will not stop until there's any kind of semblance of justice.
[00:55:52]  Yeah, I mean, like, I agree.
[00:55:54]  Like, when tracking this QAnon thing, there is sort of this unconscious kind of assumption, even like the people who are aware of it, like, okay, but this is going to go way soon, right?
[00:56:03]  People are going to wake up and people will stop believing this.
[00:56:06]  There's no way there are that many gullible people who would buy into this.
[00:56:10]  And I don't get it.
[00:56:11]  They don't get it.
[00:56:13]  I feel like a big part of my job is to impress it upon people that this is something that's going to be part of the political landscape in some form or the other for the rest of our lives.
[00:56:21]  It's here to stay.
[00:56:23]  Yeah, that's something that really sort of boggles my mind about it because QAnon, as time has gone on and they've like incorporated more different conspiracy theories, you know, the JFK Jr. stuff, the time travel stuff, all that, you'd think less and less people would believe in it because it's gotten more and more unbelievable.
[00:56:43]  I mean, it's unbelievable from the get-go, but like more and more insane.
[00:56:48]  But nobody believes all of it, Brace.
[00:56:49]  You know, like they're always going to, it's a crowdsourced thing.
[00:56:51]  It's in the edge of the internet.
[00:56:53]  You hang out in your community.
[00:56:54]  If you're a JFK Jr. person, you're there.
[00:56:56]  If you're a Spygate person, you're there.
[00:56:58]  These are just increased entry points, not actually a detractor from the overall image people get because people never get the overall image.
[00:57:05]  There is no actual QAnon conspiracy theory.
[00:57:08]  That's the problem.
[00:57:09]  Yes, it's a completely decentralized theory, actually.
[00:57:13]  Yeah, it really is.
[00:57:15]  And like, it's, it's just like, I mean, I know we touched on this earlier, but the diffusion of these ideas sort of into the popular imagination, which like Liz and I have talked about.
[00:57:27]  I hope I had nothing to do with that.
[00:57:30]  But like, but like, like someone I know recently said a QAnon phrase to me, right?
[00:57:39]  And like, we get a lot of messages from people saying like, you know, my, my husband's into this, my sister's into this, my mother's into this, my grandmother's into this.
[00:57:50]  You know, what do I do?
[00:57:51]  Like, you know, oftentimes people are really worried.
[00:57:54]  But this was the first time that someone I knew really like offhandedly, I don't know if they knew that I knew what it was or something, but said, where we go on, we go all to me.
[00:58:05]  And I talked to another friend about this, who not a close friend, but someone I know about this.
[00:58:14]  And I was like, you know, this, and I explained to him what QAnon is.
[00:58:17]  He's like, well, you know, like, they did just find those 39 missing children in Georgia.
[00:58:22]  And I was like, yeah, I understand that.
[00:58:24]  I'm not saying that like children never get kidnapped.

=== QAnon's Spread Beyond Borders (04:55) ===

[00:58:26]  Obviously, they do.
[00:58:27]  But like the Frazzle Drip video, like I'm like, well, he's like, yeah, but like, you know, you can get why people, you know, it's like, I mean, they found those children.
[00:58:36]  I'm like, yeah, I understand that.
[00:58:37]  But like those children weren't abducted by like Tony Podesta or whatever.
[00:58:42]  And he's like, yeah, I know, but like they still found.
[00:58:44]  And it's like, it was like this crazy circular conversation, which so I can imagine.
[00:58:48]  And that guy's not even a QAnon guy.
[00:58:51]  But like that has like, and he told me one thing I was, I was, that, that sort of stayed with me.
[00:58:56]  What he told me is like, well, no mainstream media is covering this.
[00:58:58]  I had to learn about it on YouTube.
[00:58:59]  I'm like, dude, it was, it's literally like was covered.
[00:59:02]  I mean, everywhere.
[00:59:03]  It was a major story.
[00:59:05]  I mean, it still is being covered.
[00:59:07]  They just arrested more people.
[00:59:09]  But like this, it just seems like the perfect storm of people, like rightfully so, mistrusting almost all mainstream media, of being disillusioned with whatever politicians, of living in a world that doesn't make any sense.
[00:59:26]  And so anything is possible, even things that are patently absurd on the face of them, because like patent absurdity is what we unfortunately is visited upon us daily.
[00:59:37]  And so like, and I think especially with like the, the, with, with, with, uh, coronavirus, you know, the world is, it seems insane right now.
[00:59:47]  And it's, it's certainly miserable.
[00:59:49]  Um, and, and I think that like there are, there are no answers for most people.
[00:59:54]  Uh, I mean, if they talk to me, I got a couple.
[00:59:57]  Uh, Belgian program.
[00:59:58]  But like, it's uh, like, I understand them searching for something, um, but it does worry me.
[01:00:05]  I mean, I think like, and I have talked about this on the show before, but like the Wayfair hoax thing, that freaked me out.
[01:00:12]  Like, that really freaked me out.
[01:00:14]  That was like a lot of people believe that.
[01:00:18]  And like, I think we're going to keep seeing stuff like this.
[01:00:20]  Yeah, no, I agree.
[01:00:22]  The circumstances are not changing.
[01:00:24]  And in fact, people are running on political platforms of not changing anything, you know?
[01:00:29]  So it's like, yeah, well, then watch it continue.
[01:00:32]  I mean, if you're not going to change the temperature in your fridge, then all of the things in your fridge are going to get rotten slowly.
[01:00:37]  Yeah.
[01:00:37]  And that, that, you're right.
[01:00:38]  That's kind of like QAnon mindset is sort of floating outside of the QAnon sphere where you could you could buy into like the Wayfair thing, even if you had never heard of QAnon, or you could find yourself, you know, getting outraged about the 800,000 children who are missing and not even they've ever heard of Pizzagate.
[01:00:56]  It's uh, it's one of those things where it's just this, even where the QAnon mindset has burst out of the QAnon community itself and just sort of infecting the general populace.
[01:01:06]  And now we have a kind of amazing kind of gray area where people may not even support QAnon, but they're still reinforcing the structure by organizing these things.
[01:01:16]  There were a few articles published recently by the Daily Mail, the New Zealand Herald, who took it down, and the Telegraph basically promoting the Pizzagate conspiracy theory, saying, Hey, people online are using these emojis, you know, cheese pizza and pizza to represent pedophilia.
[01:01:33]  And this is how they're doing their stuff.
[01:01:34]  And so they're taking down accounts.
[01:01:35]  That's her whole shtick.
[01:01:37]  And I'm still investigating whether this woman, you know, at least washed out of shadows a few months back.
[01:01:42]  And that's why she started.
[01:01:43]  But she either is very good at cleaning everything or whatever.
[01:01:47]  I mean, her community is QAnon, like definitely.
[01:01:50]  Her comments are filled with different stuff like that.
[01:01:53]  But there does seem to be a almost pure front now.
[01:01:57]  Like it's developing organically.
[01:01:59]  Yeah, that like, so wait, are you talking about the journalist?
[01:02:03]  Are you talking about the person that the, because it was like on the television or something and you have to have like a, it's behind a paywall.
[01:02:08]  So I'm reading that.
[01:02:10]  No, so yeah, the person that all of these journalists spoke to, it's, it's a woman in London.
[01:02:15]  She's an executive assistant.
[01:02:17]  Her first name is India, and she just seems like a regular person.
[01:02:21]  And then basically she started getting this attention and then she started shooting videos where she was revealing her face, even though she accused them of like doxing her.
[01:02:28]  So she was both enjoying this kind of like newfound attention, right?
[01:02:32]  Starts shooting these videos.
[01:02:33]  I post a single screen cap not listing even her name.
[01:02:36]  And she, you know, hit me up.
[01:02:37]  I was like, take this down, take this down, took down all her videos.
[01:02:40]  I mean, in the video, she's literally drinking red wine with pretty little princess on her, on her, on her sweatshirt.
[01:02:47]  And behind her, it says, you know, boss bitch.
[01:02:50]  I mean, we're dealing with people that are not, you're going to think that they're kind of these liberal, you know, shills before you think that they're right wing in any way on the face value.
[01:03:02]  Yeah.
[01:03:03]  And that's like, that's, that's, that's something I, I, I, I kind of, because we're, we're kind of nearing the end here.
[01:03:08]  And I wanted to ask you guys about, because like I said, like we get a lot of questions basically from, from QAnon people or excuse me, from like the spouses or relatives or friends of QAnon people.

=== Jim Watkins On Cult Deprogramming (15:28) ===

[01:03:22]  And I'm, I'm sure you guys do too.
[01:03:23]  I'm sure people have contacted you about that.
[01:03:25]  It's like, I don't really know what to say to people because like now that I, I mean, Actually, I did.
[01:03:30]  I thought I did.
[01:03:31]  I was like, well, you know, show them that this and this isn't true.
[01:03:34]  Like, you know, but like, that doesn't work.
[01:03:37]  You know, I mean, it doesn't even work for people who aren't even really into it, as sort of my experience showed.
[01:03:43]  Like, and I don't like, I'll be honest with you, like, I get baffled by that.
[01:03:48]  Like, I don't know how to get past that because like somebody can look at like something that's not true and then you can show them something that is true.
[01:03:56]  And then that disproves the thing they believe.
[01:03:59]  And then they still like, they have like a feeling that something is true.
[01:04:03]  And it's really difficult to change that.
[01:04:06]  Yeah, I mean, I agree.
[01:04:08]  I mean, like, I get questions like that too.
[01:04:10]  And I do not have a real solid answer for them because like I feel like my project here was always sort of describing the nature of the problem as best as I could.
[01:04:20]  And my personal delusion was believing that if I describe the problem well, if I brought enough attention to the problem, then there would be some cavalry coming along.
[01:04:30]  And like people with actual influence will say, hey, this is a problem and we should go and fix it.
[01:04:36]  Yeah, I don't want to like, you know, kind of put trust in our institutions or anything, but if you have intelligence agencies and you have a health system that deals with psychiatric issues, then we need to find an institutional way for people to be able to do interventions and then people who are in this shit to choose to get help because it's a bit like addiction brace.
[01:04:55]  Like you have to have the volition of the person.
[01:04:58]  You can't just put someone in a camp for re-education because they think fucking Hillary Clinton eats children.
[01:05:03]  But yeah, there's no like easy answer there.
[01:05:06]  And I don't think we should be the ones to provide it.
[01:05:07]  We do a fucking podcast covering this subject.
[01:05:11]  The bottom line is we're not trained in any way to help people.
[01:05:14]  And there are institutions and they do not seem interested because, well, for a variety of reasons.
[01:05:20]  I mean, I think like, at least in my personal experience, because I've had some friends reach out that were like, again, it's the same case where they've had friends or relatives that have gotten into this stuff.
[01:05:31]  And I mean, not to, you know, not to get like to whatever, but, you know, I have family members that are definitely like, I would say at least, if not fully in this stuff, like very adjacent.
[01:05:44]  I mean, I don't keep too close to tabs on it.
[01:05:47]  But I think like, at least in my experience, the best jumping off point is finding kind of points of agreement and then moving into like other areas from those points that are maybe a little bit more,
[01:06:03]  You know, a bit more grounded in reality, rather than saying something like, well, that's not being antagonistic, at least in my, in my experience, has like never worked with trying to convince people or giving off any kind of like attitude or any kind of uh, having taking any kind of pose that could feel um, antagonistic or disrespectful or like you're not interested or condescending,
[01:06:33]  like I don't know, that's that.
[01:06:35]  That has never been helpful, at least in my experience, kind of trying to convince people to see, see something from another perspective, and so I I mean I would treat treat q and the like related insane, I mean, cosmos that it's created and living in online in the same respect.
[01:06:59]  I mean, it's funny.
[01:07:00]  I kind of like spaced out for a second when you guys were talking because you said something that had me thinking where you were, you know, you were saying like everything has kind of become Q.
[01:07:11]  And it made me wonder, like, maybe it wasn't that everything has become Q, but that Q has come out of whatever that is determining everything else as well.
[01:07:21]  Right.
[01:07:21]  It's like Q isn't the thing.
[01:07:24]  And we're saying that, I mean, I'm meaning that it's like an ethos or a worldview.
[01:07:28]  Like, that's not what's determining all this stuff, but it's all coming and emerging out of the same sort of, you know, well that we're all in, but that we can't see.
[01:07:40]  And so I wonder if we were to kind of look at it that way, if perhaps that would give us new avenues or new kind of modes for approaching it and confronting it and dealing with it.
[01:07:54]  I think that one thing that the addiction model gives, and I'm not saying it's like a comprehensive model to understand this at all, not even remotely, but it allows people to say, hey, how is this affecting your life?
[01:08:05]  Like, are you not sleeping at night?
[01:08:07]  Are you not able to talk to your family members and your friends?
[01:08:10]  Is your whole life shifting?
[01:08:12]  And that's where we can see that this isn't just a belief in QAnon.
[01:08:16]  It's something even deeper.
[01:08:18]  And that's when family members write into us, at least.
[01:08:21]  That's something that I've heard Travis say a lot on your guys' show, which is like, he's sort of, I feel like you take it from like the perspective of like, it's a cult.
[01:08:32]  And like, you know, which it is, which I think is like a fair way to say it, but it's like a radicalization process, right?
[01:08:39]  And like, you can't really de-radicalize somebody by being like, you're fucking stupid, because that like makes them really put up more walls.
[01:08:46]  And it's hard not to do that, right?
[01:08:47]  Because this is patently insane, as are kind of most things that a lot of things, not most, but a lot of things that people get radicalized on.
[01:08:56]  Like that, that seemed pretty far fucking out there.
[01:08:59]  But like that, that like that gets me thinking like, yeah, you probably need to use whatever methods people use to like sort of deprogram people from cults.
[01:09:10]  And like, that's not something that like I'm capable of doing, you know?
[01:09:14]  That's not something I think most people I know are capable of doing.
[01:09:17]  I technically was employed as a peer counselor for a while, but that, you know, I'll tell you what, I've dealt with a lot of people with mental illnesses before, but QAnon itself is almost like it's like a mental illness that you catch from the internet, right?
[01:09:31]  Like it's not even necessary.
[01:09:32]  I mean, obviously a lot of the Q influencers are fucking crazy.
[01:09:36]  And it involves a lot of volition.
[01:09:38]  That's what's so, I guess, different with it is.
[01:09:42]  I mean, you could argue there's some aspects where it's like, you couldn't help yourself.
[01:09:44]  You had to keep watching those videos all night, right?
[01:09:47]  That's an addiction element.
[01:09:48]  But there's also just like, yeah, you chose, like, you're choosing all of this stuff.
[01:09:53]  And then the question comes up, are you choosing all of this stuff?
[01:09:57]  There's the, yeah, there's a, there's a gamification process that makes people just more committed.
[01:10:02]  They feel like you feel like they have to, you know, go out and red pill more people as sort of like their commission to do this.
[01:10:10]  And they feel like they have to decode, you know, gestures from Trump or Q drops.
[01:10:14]  That's it.
[01:10:14]  It's like there's religion, there's politics, there's mental illness, and then there's the cult model.
[01:10:19]  All of those have to play into this because there's no way to see it outside of those.
[01:10:23]  And the other thing is that this is like the first time where people have the cult leader like in their pocket.
[01:10:28]  They're like they have these Q drop apps that alert them the second there's a new cue drop.
[01:10:33]  And that means that it means like when Q is posting office often, he hasn't posted in a while, but when Q is posting often, then they don't spend much time thinking about non-QAnon subjects.
[01:10:44]  So it's just, they're just locked solidly into this QAnon mindset.
[01:10:49]  I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's not just like a cult.
[01:10:51]  It's like a kind of, you know, dispersed, you know, constant 24-7 cult without a compound.
[01:10:57]  Yeah, also.
[01:10:58]  I don't think we've ever kind of ever seen before.
[01:11:00]  We've never had the president feed into something specific.
[01:11:04]  So there's like, there's a, there's a macro political environment you can't ignore in life.
[01:11:08]  It's unprecedented in a lot of ways.
[01:11:10]  That's, that's what really gets me about it is, is just how like different this is than anything.
[01:11:17]  You know, I read a lot of history and I can't find, I mean, maybe the Crusades or something, you know, like.
[01:11:24]  Crusades plus Instagram.
[01:11:28]  So I I did want to end on one thing, which is that there was recently a viral thread which, in a uh subject replete with viral threads,
[01:11:54]  uh should probably give you no clue to what i'm talking about uh by a guy uh saying that he has exposed Q's identity as Jim Watkins.
[01:12:04]  the owner of 8-Koon, which is the Jim Watkins, a real human freaks, successor to 8-Chan.
[01:12:15]  And so I had understand from listening to you guys' show before, I think your interviews with the former other co-owner or whatever of HHN Frederick Brennan, that Watkins, yeah, he had like a big involvement in whatever Q is or whatever.
[01:12:28]  But like, there's, there's, there's, can you, can you guys shed any light onto what this is?
[01:12:31]  Because a lot of people are jumping.
[01:12:33]  A lot of people are jumping on this.
[01:12:35]  A lot of people.
[01:12:36]  And that's understandable.
[01:12:37]  Everybody wants to find a kind of reason here.
[01:12:40]  At best, I think the proof so far shows that Jim obviously controls 8-coon and may on the clear web be the person behind the hosting of qmap.pub.
[01:12:53]  Anything further than that right now is not founded in information as far as I know.
[01:12:58]  I don't know if Travis knows something.
[01:12:59]  I don't, but this is a lot of speculation.
[01:13:01]  And I expected it when Q goes big, you're going to have your basically left-wing conspiracy theories about it.
[01:13:06]  Like we think who it is.
[01:13:08]  Why are you ignoring it?
[01:13:09]  And people are saying that to us sometimes.
[01:13:10]  It's like, we're not.
[01:13:12]  But we check out the stuff that comes in and we're not going to make a statement about who is Q and all.
[01:13:16]  I mean, that is a huge statement to make based on some IP addresses that show hosting at best.
[01:13:22]  I got to say that like watching that spread, I was like, huh, I wonder if the Q people are getting a little like satisfaction from this just because it's like watching it spread on the other kind of end of the spectrum of the internet.
[01:13:35]  It was pretty funny.
[01:13:36]  I mean, the kind of shit that people were posting, like, found the IP, we did all this, blah, blah, blah.
[01:13:41]  But it's like, if you read what they're writing, it's like completely absurd.
[01:13:44]  It doesn't actually tell you anything.
[01:13:46]  And anyone with any, I mean, you know, I don't even know that much about the internet and computers.
[01:13:50]  And I was reading it and I was like, what the hell are you talking about?
[01:13:52]  This is like, this is, this is a joke.
[01:13:55]  And yet it spread like wildfire.
[01:13:57]  Not like all liberal and left Twitter.
[01:14:00]  It is very much a good lead.
[01:14:03]  I'll put it that way.
[01:14:04]  If I were an investigator, I would look a lot into Ron and Jim Watkins.
[01:14:09]  And my best guess right now as to who controls that account is probably them.
[01:14:13]  So it's not to discount that, but I also want to, on the other side, any statements made should be based in evidence, I think.
[01:14:19]  And so we have to just wait for that because otherwise the damage is going to be much greater if we just do this early.
[01:14:26]  Yeah, there is, yeah, there's a couple of things.
[01:14:28]  I mean, it's like, well, you said there is good reason to believe that Watkins is at the very minimum in cahoots with whoever is making the Q post.
[01:14:36]  There's actually, there's proof that he's been in contact with Q over all these years, including in 2019.
[01:14:42]  That there's proof.
[01:14:43]  So that's a reasonable thing.
[01:14:46]  But to make the additional leap to say that Jim Watkins is Q is a bridge too far based on just the IP address evidence.
[01:14:57]  In fact, Frederick Brennan in the Daily Dot article, he said, quote, I never claimed that Q has been doxed.
[01:15:04]  So he's a good idea.
[01:15:05]  That's the ex maker of that.
[01:15:07]  That's the original creator of Akun.
[01:15:09]  And he was the one who I think originally, I guess, I wouldn't say fueled this conspiracy theory, but was providing information that then people were baking, just like the QAnon people.
[01:15:20]  I mean, really, they were baking the crumbs that, you know, that were, yeah.
[01:15:24]  Anyways, it's a bit of a shame.
[01:15:26]  I don't think that it's even necessarily untrue.
[01:15:28]  That's a thing.
[01:15:30]  We might find out it is true, but right now we do not have that information.
[01:15:34]  Yeah, exactly.
[01:15:34]  It's all going to be real in the end.
[01:15:36]  You know, Jake's not here with us.
[01:15:38]  We got to trust the plan.
[01:15:39]  We absolutely should trust the plan.
[01:15:41]  I keep telling that to Travis, but he doesn't want to listen.
[01:15:44]  I don't.
[01:15:45]  Well, thank you guys so much for joining us.
[01:15:48]  You can check out Julian and Travis's podcast, QAnon Anonymous.
[01:15:52]  We will, of course, link it.
[01:15:55]  But yeah, it is a podcast devoted, not entirely to QAnon.
[01:16:00]  It's like how we're devoted to Jeffrey Epstein.
[01:16:02]  They talk about other stuff too.
[01:16:04]  By the way, I do want to upbraid the pair of you real quickly.
[01:16:08]  There is no bigger Thomas Wichter expert on this fucking earth than Brace Belden.
[01:16:13]  Hey, man.
[01:16:15]  Listen, the mentally ill guy on our side, he decided to pick that as a topic.
[01:16:20]  He saw your tweet.
[01:16:21]  He told me.
[01:16:21]  Okay.
[01:16:22]  And he said, I love Wicter.
[01:16:23]  I don't have what it takes content to us.
[01:16:26]  He doesn't have what it takes to reach out to you.
[01:16:28]  If you reach out to him and start a DM conversation and you're able to kind of tame Jake, love Jake, understand Jake, hold Jake even, eventually you'll be on a segment with him, no doubt.
[01:16:37]  I just, I need to, I mean, this is, I got my own sort of Wichter drops app in mind.
[01:16:43]  Oh, yes, please.
[01:16:44]  It's he is, he is a one-man QAnon, which is really like, and I, I, that, that is not even doing him justice.
[01:16:52]  He is one of the greatest theorists of experimental warfare in ours or anyone else's lifetimes.
[01:16:58]  And bass player, of course.
[01:17:00]  Oh, of course.
[01:17:00]  Yeah.
[01:17:00]  Classic bass player and really a, a, a, a, the heir to Lester Bangs, a rock journalist.
[01:17:08]  Well, anyways, fellas, thank you so much for joining us.
[01:17:10]  Oh, last question.
[01:17:11]  Sorry, last question.
[01:17:12]  Real quick.
[01:17:13]  Fired it off.
[01:17:15]  I always ask Travis this, but I'm going to ask him both of you again.
[01:17:18]  How many QAnon believers, like full-on believers, do you think that there are right now?
[01:17:24]  Best guess.
[01:17:26]  Full-on is a hard term to address just because of how this is one of the things that defines QAnon is that people participating in it have an immensely varying level of involvement or understanding about it.
[01:17:38]  You can be like, it's a very low-cost entry, but I'll let Travis take the numbers and say that there are none, I'm sure.
[01:17:44]  No, yeah, this is a problem.
[01:17:46]  There was a recent, there was a recent poll that showed that 7% of Americans have a favorable view of QAnon, which is, I think, a disturbingly high number.
[01:17:58]  A lot of people say, a lot of people are saying it's like, oh, 7%, that's not much.
[01:18:02]  I mean, listen, if 7% of people approve of QAnon, that's more than the number of Mormons in the country.
[01:18:08]  That's massive.
[01:18:09]  Someone get me the percentage of Volkish occultists right before him or did the beer hall push.
[01:18:15]  But I don't know, 7% could that include people who are full-on QAnon believers or people who are just, you know, just on the right wing and think that QAnon people are valuable allies and they approve of it in that sense.
[01:18:29]  But I don't know.
[01:18:30]  It would be easily, easily in the millions.
[01:18:34]  A handful of billions, I don't know, three, four million, maybe, I think would be a rough estimate just in the United States.
[01:18:40]  But that's a middle of the road that might be way high.
[01:18:45]  It may be way low, but I have no idea.
[01:18:48]  I wish the institutions would do something about it.

=== 30 Grand Poll (03:39) ===

[01:18:50]  Right.
[01:18:50]  You know, just the studying, just the intel understand the become something.
[01:18:56]  It would take like a good 30, 50 grand.
[01:18:59]  I looked it up to do a real solid, comprehensive poll on the size, demographics, and the sort of the beliefs of the QAnon community.
[01:19:08]  I mean, that's doable.
[01:19:09]  Listen up, DNC.
[01:19:10]  Next year, you don't run Pete Butigic, but you do the research around this.
[01:19:15]  Also, any sociology grad students out there?
[01:19:19]  Well, we know there's lots.
[01:19:20]  Probably more than just about as many as there are QAnon supporters.
[01:19:24]  Those of you who are not gainfully employed, I know.
[01:19:27]  But it's those of you who aren't.
[01:19:29]  This is it.
[01:19:30]  The CIA is going to put together like a crowdsource project where they're going to ask people for their labor to figure this shit out.
[01:19:36]  They just don't have the resources, folks.
[01:19:38]  Sorry, they cut the budget.
[01:19:40]  Well, fellas, it has been a pleasure.
[01:19:43]  Thank you, buddy.
[01:19:44]  Absolutely.
[01:19:44]  We love you.
[01:19:45]  Well, another uplifting episode of Truanine.
[01:20:04]  That had me going crackers.
[01:20:07]  Every time we do a QAnon episode, I try to do this in the outro.
[01:20:10]  I try to say words with a Q instead of a C, but it just leads me to like really struggle pronouncing it.
[01:20:17]  Crackers.
[01:20:18]  It's awful.
[01:20:19]  I think it's too quixotic for the podcast.
[01:20:23]  How come it's Quixotic, but his name is Don Quixote?
[01:20:26]  Why can't I say Quihotic?
[01:20:29]  Kehat Dick.
[01:20:31]  No.
[01:20:33]  That's actually.
[01:20:34]  Have you read Don Quixote?
[01:20:36]  No.
[01:20:37]  You know, I'm trying to read Moby Dick right now.
[01:20:39]  What?
[01:20:39]  You haven't read Don Quixote?
[01:20:41]  No.
[01:20:41]  Liz, I was literally unsure.
[01:20:44]  That's like the black pill.
[01:20:46]  I was unsure until three days ago if I had a high school degree.
[01:20:50]  Do you think?
[01:20:52]  I had the equivalent of one.
[01:20:54]  Oh, okay.
[01:20:55]  It's like you were still unsure.
[01:20:58]  I'm not 100% sure.
[01:21:00]  I think I have to write them a letter to get it from them.
[01:21:03]  Right, right, right.
[01:21:04]  But my resume has said I've had a college degree since I was like 19.
[01:21:08]  Yeah, by the way, can you send me your updated CV?
[01:21:12]  What?
[01:21:13]  Is it my review?
[01:21:14]  Is my no Liz, I don't want to do this on air.
[01:21:17]  Is this my six-month review?
[01:21:19]  It's your one-year review, baby.
[01:21:21]  Oh, God, fuck.
[01:21:21]  I can't believe it's already been a year.
[01:21:23]  Cool.
[01:21:24]  I was thinking, like, me, me and Young Chomsky have been talking.
[01:21:29]  And I was thinking, and this is protected speech.
[01:21:33]  I was thinking that maybe we could get to make some decisions.
[01:21:39]  Like, sometimes, like, maybe, like, I just found out recently the podcast isn't free sometimes.
[01:21:44]  And, like, I don't really know what's going on with that.
[01:21:46]  I feel like you didn't tell us about that.
[01:21:48]  And, like, sometimes you have like guests on and like without me.
[01:21:52]  And sometimes they like make fun of me.
[01:21:54]  And, like, you know, say I'm stupid and I'm little and I'm not worth much.
[01:21:59]  And, like.
[01:22:00]  And if you guys like that kind of strong labor leadership that you just heard from Bryce Felden there, wait till you start the Belden program.
[01:22:10]  Oh, yes.
[01:22:11]  Absolutely.
[01:22:12]  Listen.
[01:22:13]  Okay.
[01:22:13]  Yeah.
[01:22:13]  Okay.
[01:22:14]  Wait.
[01:22:15]  Add on a couple more minutes to this four hour long.
[01:22:18]  No, no, Yes.
[01:22:23]  That is.
[01:22:24]  I got a basketball game to watch.
[01:22:26]  Sweetheart, sweetheart, sweetheart, dribble this.
[01:22:29]  Just 30 seconds.

=== Double Dribble Dilemma (01:35) ===

[01:22:30]  Give me 30.
[01:22:30]  You double flipped me off.
[01:22:31]  Double flipped her off.
[01:22:32]  Yeah, they call that a deuce in basketball.
[01:22:37]  I understand.
[01:22:37]  I got some feedback from the last episode that maybe what I said at the end was a little bit of a downer.
[01:22:42]  No, baby.
[01:22:43]  It was actually, you don't know it yet.
[01:22:45]  You don't know it yet.
[01:22:46]  But that was actually the greatest thing you've heard in your life.
[01:22:50]  That is the sound of a door opening and the bleak past leaving us behind, baby.
[01:22:55]  Yeah, that's the white pill.
[01:23:00]  You will soon learn of the Belden program.
[01:23:04]  And let me tell you, it will end any doubts you've had about, like, listen, the people who run socialism right now, they're tired.
[01:23:13]  They've been working so hard for so many years.
[01:23:15]  Why don't you go?
[01:23:16]  Why don't you go take a nap?
[01:23:17]  Go to the lake.
[01:23:18]  Go take a fish.
[01:23:19]  Let Brace take over.
[01:23:20]  I'll take it from here.
[01:23:23]  Anyways, Belden program's coming.
[01:23:25]  I am Brace Belden.
[01:23:27]  I'm Liz.
[01:23:28]  We are, of course, joined by producer Young Chomsky.
[01:23:31]  Producer Young Chomsky.
[01:23:33]  Sorry, I thought we could do like a cool, cool double thing there.
[01:23:36]  I guess not.
[01:23:36]  We just had a great ending, and you just end it with this little jokey bit you always got to do.
[01:23:41]  Little 13-year-old brain.
[01:23:43]  Well, Thin Lizzy, Scott Gorham and the other guitarist from Thin Lizzie used to do these really cool, like dual guitar solos at the same time.
[01:23:49]  You can look up their, I believe, Sydney show.
[01:23:51]  It's fantastic.
[01:23:55]  I was thinking we could be kind of like, I could be Scott Gorham because he's pretty good looking.
[01:23:58]  And like, I don't remember the other guy looking.
[01:24:00]  I'm not saying he's not, but like, anyways, that's true, Anon.
[01:24:04]  Bye-bye.