True Anon Truth Feed - Episode 90: Docudump
Aired: 2020-08-12
Duration: 01:20:21


=== Belden Gate Revelations (14:46) ===

[00:00:00]  You know what, baby?
[00:00:02]  What?
[00:00:03]  The government of the United States of America can suck me off.
[00:00:09]  Is this just a general sentiment, or did something happen that no, I just've been thinking about how it would work logistically.
[00:00:17]  Yeah, no, no, no, no, it's not like a personal or political thing either.
[00:00:20]  I'm just like, I would, that's like, it's always been kind of a dream of mine.
[00:00:25]  And then like, you know, I've been sketching it.
[00:00:27]  No, so listen, they're trying to frame me, baby.
[00:00:32]  It's rigged.
[00:00:35]  It's fake witch hunt, no collusion.
[00:00:38]  Literally fake news, no collusion.
[00:00:41]  Belden gate.
[00:00:42]  This is Beldengate.
[00:00:43]  This is Belden Gate.
[00:00:45]  So no collusion in a couple respects, right?
[00:00:49]  Oh, yeah.
[00:00:50]  Oh, yeah.
[00:00:51]  For people listening who don't know what we're talking about, we should say that Brace here, Brace Belded of the Truan podcast, which you are listening to right now, is being harassed by the United States government.
[00:01:11]  Presidential harassment.
[00:01:12]  This is podcasting harassment, rigged witch hunt, no collusion.
[00:01:17]  None.
[00:01:18]  So I was, so listen, you guys, I'm sure many of you have had a really tough week considering that we didn't release a new episode for, I don't know how many days it's been, but close to a week.
[00:01:29]  I was in the mountains, undisclosed location.
[00:01:34]  Wood walls brought the old, brought some high explosives and heavy weaponry.
[00:01:41]  Just kidding.
[00:01:42]  That did not.
[00:01:43]  I went up there completely naked.
[00:01:46]  And I get a call the first night from a journalist from old Ken, Ken Clippency, who was on this podcast a couple weeks ago to talk about the feds.
[00:01:54]  And he tells me, El Clipping, he tells me, don't freak out, but I have some bad news.
[00:02:01]  And the bad news is that apparently, well, so you guys know Antifa?
[00:02:08]  Like the guys, the clad in black fellas who run around and, you know, throw fireworks or whatever.
[00:02:18]  Well, Trump is trying to make them into a terrorist organization, which I feel like doesn't.
[00:02:26]  Antifa should really be glad of that because that makes you sound cool.
[00:02:30]  Jesus.
[00:02:31]  But he can't do it because they're not like, well, I mean, they don't do anything that's like terroristy, but they also can't like they're not tied to a foreign power, which I guess because of the rules of, I don't know, the intelligence community or whatever, a terrorist group has to have some sort of foreign backer.
[00:02:51]  Unfortunately, it seems as though the Trump admin has found a little loophole, and that loophole is brace building-shaped.
[00:02:59]  Yes, yeah, which means, by the way, shaped like a brick shithouse.
[00:03:08]  And so, you know, Ken's got his hands on these documents from DHS.
[00:03:13]  And as, you know, as listeners of True Anon will know, DHS has, you know, very quickly become the intelligence agency of choice of our round president.
[00:03:25]  And yeah, we're fond of calling it basically a shadow DOD.
[00:03:29]  Absolutely.
[00:03:30]  And it is called, the report title is The Syrian Conflict in its Nexus, which is never a good word to have titling a report that your name is in, to U.S.-based anti-fascist movements.
[00:03:43]  It appears to be from mid-June or for, excuse me, late June.
[00:03:47]  And I'll read one paragraph off of many on the front.
[00:03:50]  In more recent events, individuals affiliated with Antifa, which is all caps, have been identified traveling to Syria to fight against the Islamic State of Iraq and Levant, ISIL slash ISIS.
[00:04:03]  ISIL, give me a fucking break with that Obama shit.
[00:04:05]  Aligning themselves with the Yekanian Perostina Gel, the YPG, Translation People's Protection Units.
[00:04:14]  Additionally, in late May 2020, Antifa participated in widespread domestic unrest in the United States, provoking riots, looting, arson, and violent attacks against law enforcement and right-wing protesters.
[00:04:25]  They show some Antifa iconography, and one of them is just like the hot topic anarchy symbol, which I think is very funny.
[00:04:36]  So next page.
[00:04:37]  Let me just break that down.
[00:04:38]  So basically what they're saying is that the move that DHS is making is suggesting that the foreign organization that Antifa is tied to is the YPG in Syria, who is fighting against ISIS, which is this is confusing for a couple of reasons, because ISIS is, of course, a terrorist organization.
[00:05:00]  So we've got terrorist on terrorist violence happening, because what they're suggesting is that YPG is training Antifa to then go back to the United States and cause mayhem.
[00:05:11]  This has actually been a major talking point of certain Turkophiles in the State Department and sort of Washington think tanks.
[00:05:19]  And also like was even pressed by Erdogan himself about a month ago when these riots started kicking off.
[00:05:26]  Erdogan went on television and said, well, you know, look, you've got Antifa going to, you know, you're sort of reaping what you sow.
[00:05:33]  Unfortunately, the next page starts with my name.
[00:05:39]  It says, U.S. citizen in parentheses, USC, Brace Belden, again, capitalized, very cool, was encountered on 08 April 2017, arriving in San Francisco, California from Frankfurt, Germany.
[00:05:52]  Belden was returning from a six-month tour of volunteering to fight with the YPG under the umbrella of the Syrian Democratic Forces fighting ISIS in Syria as part of the ongoing Raqqa offensive starting November 2016 to retake Raqqa from ISIS.
[00:06:04]  Belden stated he recently learned from an open source article, or that an open source article had been written about him in his quote, anarchist fighters, which, first of all, they're not my anarchist fighters.
[00:06:16]  And second of all, the guy who wrote that, friend of the pod, did not pick that headline.
[00:06:24]  I am not an anarchist.
[00:06:28]  Anarchists tend to not exactly like me a lot of the time.
[00:06:33]  So this is, this is, this is.
[00:06:34]  I don't think any longtime listener of the podcast thinks you're an anarchist.
[00:06:39]  No, no, no, no.
[00:06:40]  I'm literally a police.
[00:06:42]  Like, no, okay.
[00:06:43]  So the story rights had been sold to a movie company and are planning to produce a movie about him.
[00:06:48]  So for those who don't know, also, Jake Gyllenhal purchased the rights to that story and is making an X-rated romp sex comedy about my time starring Penelope Cruz, which is, apparently, I'm playing myself.
[00:07:04]  It's wonderful.
[00:07:06]  According to the open source article, Belden was a minor criminal and drug addict, okay, who started reading Marx and Lenin and drug rehabilitation treatment.
[00:07:14]  Also, fact check on that.
[00:07:16]  I started reading them when I was on speed a few years before and became involved in a number of political causes before deciding to fight alongside the YPG.
[00:07:28]  Not a great thing to read on my first day of my first vacation in many years.
[00:07:33]  Yeah, okay.
[00:07:34]  Let's pause for a second.
[00:07:36]  One, check in.
[00:07:38]  How are you doing, Brice?
[00:07:39]  I'm good, baby.
[00:07:40]  I'm good.
[00:07:41]  They can't touch me.
[00:07:45]  We should say that, you know, behind the veil will say this has been on our radar as a possibility of happening for quite some time.
[00:07:54]  Because as you mentioned, not just with Erdogan, but other kind of not just turcophiles, but like people within the Trump orbit, we'll say Trump orbiters in different media, you know, OAN and, you know, the kind of like pesobiac types and certain of itches of the world have been kind of floating this line about the YPG being like an anti-foot terrorist organization,
[00:08:22]  which even just putting those two words together makes just is incoherent on his face.
[00:08:29]  So this is something that, you know, privately has been on our radar, we should say, but it is still stunning.
[00:08:35]  I should say I talked to Ken after I talked to you just to get a read on the situation.
[00:08:40]  And it was like pretty wild to see all of this that night.
[00:08:44]  I was like, what the fuck?
[00:08:46]  It's very strange.
[00:08:47]  So a bunch of the other guys, because I'm not the only one listed, of course, but a bunch of guys I know are also listed.
[00:08:52]  They did specifically list only the left-wing or only really a portion of like the left-wingers who went over there as opposed to like, you know, otherwise apolitical people or whatever.
[00:09:04]  And the sense I get of this after talking to quite a few people is that this isn't, I'm not, I'm honestly not worried about this really.
[00:09:14]  But if they're doing this, they're probably doing some much more, let's see, they're giving, give me a closer look behind closed doors, rather.
[00:09:26]  Yeah, I mean, I want to just kind of lay it out for our listeners so they understand what's happening.
[00:09:31]  The reason why the Trump DHS is so keen on this, and my understanding from conversations I've had, a variety of conversations I've had, is that it is, you know, a bit of a rogue cohort in the DHS that is pursuing this line and that it is probably, you know, directly coming from above rather than kind of a more broader bureaucratic push, we'll say.
[00:10:01]  And if these documents are leaked, it's because other people within DHS are questioning it, whatever.
[00:10:08]  We always talk about how these institutions contain a multitude of infighting and careerism and jockeying for position.
[00:10:20]  So the idea that there is this like one directive that everyone's following is like not the case.
[00:10:25]  But my, you know, just to kind of lay out what they're doing, there's a reason why they want to designate Antifa, which again is not an organization as being a terrorist organization.
[00:10:39]  And it's because that if they are able to do that, rather than kind of broad spectrum collecting data on people affiliated with Antifa through metadata collection, which the way that works is basically kind of like a vacuum that just like, like sucks everything up, sucks up metadata kind of with the kind of close-ring association of people.
[00:11:08]  And they kind of have to like sift through all of that information to get a read on certain, you know, targets of the DHS.
[00:11:15]  Now, if they get Antifa designated a terrorist organization, they can actually directly target individuals without having to kind of go through those extra layers that sifting through metadata seemingly provides.
[00:11:35]  So that's the political motivation here.
[00:11:38]  And I don't think it takes like too many steps or leaps or whatever to understand what it would mean if a completely non-centralized or hierarchical or even identifiable quote-unquote organization such as Antifa was designated such and also a terrorist organization, what that would mean for the ability of the government to target individuals.
[00:12:05]  Yeah, that's the thing.
[00:12:06]  Like if you're listening to this podcast, I mean, the net is wide enough that they could probably look at you.
[00:12:13]  You know what I mean?
[00:12:14]  Please don't stop listening to the podcast, though.
[00:12:16]  Yes, please.
[00:12:17]  Yeah, no, you're already on the list.
[00:12:18]  You're already on the list.
[00:12:20]  So there's no point stopping now.
[00:12:22]  Yes.
[00:12:22]  Also true, it does tell me when you unsubscribe in full name, everything, Social Security.
[00:12:29]  And I am, of course, turning states evidence now that I'm being targeted.
[00:12:33]  So I will snitch on you.
[00:12:36]  But yeah, it's like, that's the thing.
[00:12:39]  So like, what's kind of going through my head is because I really don't have a connection to Antifa.
[00:12:45]  You know, like I'm involved in labor organizing, stuff like that, but like I'm not like a black block guy or whatever.
[00:12:52]  It's not really my bag.
[00:12:55]  But what worries me is that from what I understand is that the guys in DHS really do believe that Antifa is this like actual transnational terrorist organization.
[00:13:08]  Some of them certainly.
[00:13:09]  Yeah.
[00:13:09]  Yeah.
[00:13:10]  Like this isn't just like something they're going through the motions on.
[00:13:12]  Like the person who wrote this report and probably the people who ordered this report are people who actually think that Antifa is going to like, you know, blow up the White House or whatever.
[00:13:22]  And so if that's the case, it certainly would not be unusual for the United States Intelligence Services to do something like fabricate evidence or to arrest somebody on, you know, bullshit charges or to plant evidence.
[00:13:40]  And that is sort of what's going through my head because like I live in this reality out here, right?
[00:13:45]  The same reality as you, same reality as Young Chomsky here, same reality as everybody else, where like I'm not a member of Antifa, where I'm not a terrorist, but there are people who actually have the ability to affect my reality who live in a totally other reality, right?
[00:14:00]  Like some Philip K. Dick shit where like in these guys' heads, like I am part of a transnational terror organization or whatever.
[00:14:08]  And so the links that people are willing to go through when they sort of get attached to these delusional realities, to these sort of alter realities are not, it's not comforting to think about.
[00:14:21]  And the thing is, like, I don't, you know, I'm believe me, I am not tripping.
[00:14:25]  I don't think that, you know, black helmet guys are going to bust through my door and be forced to chase me as my nimble body scampers across the rooftops to freedom.
[00:14:37]  But there's a not the chance of me getting arrested and getting sent to like some sort of a detention center are not zero.

=== Battle of Binders: August 10th (16:34) ===

[00:14:46]  Yeah.
[00:14:46]  And that isn't great to know.
[00:14:54]  But on the other hand, like also there's not really a lot I can do.
[00:14:57]  You know, I'm always very careful and I keep my nose very clean.
[00:15:02]  And so it's really, you know, well, I mean, I have a quite a large nose, which is by why Liz is chuckling there.
[00:15:09]  And it is covered in schmutz.
[00:15:12]  One thing that would be cool, like if there is a silver lining, is that if they had to prove that the YPG was terrorist training camp ground, then they'd probably have to make, like, finally come clean about materially, the U.S. materially supporting ISIS.
[00:15:30]  Yes.
[00:15:32]  Yeah.
[00:15:32]  I mean, the whole thing's, the whole thing's, but hey, but the Brits did it, you know, a British member of YPG, his parents got fined.
[00:15:40]  I think we're being surveilled and almost arrested because they had sent him a $50 while he was in a YPG training camp.
[00:15:47]  And so for materially supporting a terrorist organization.
[00:15:50]  And so that sort of double dealing there does.
[00:15:54]  I'm going to say that I'm not freaked out.
[00:15:56]  It's just not something that I like to hear.
[00:16:00]  But as always, baby, I'll tell you this.
[00:16:02]  I am locked and loaded.
[00:16:05]  Let's cut that.
[00:16:31]  Hello, Liz.
[00:16:32]  I said that very strange.
[00:16:34]  Such a pleasure to be with you once again.
[00:16:36]  It's so nice.
[00:16:37]  It's been so, it feels like it's been so long.
[00:16:40]  Yeah.
[00:16:40]  Well, I actually had the opposite thought, but yeah, same sort of realm of thought.
[00:16:44]  And we were both thinking about time.
[00:16:45]  Brace.
[00:16:46]  I'm just kidding.
[00:16:47]  You know I love podcasting.
[00:16:50]  With me.
[00:16:52]  Yeah.
[00:16:52]  Yeah.
[00:16:53]  With you and, you know, others.
[00:16:55]  Okay.
[00:16:56]  Hello, everyone.
[00:16:57]  Welcome.
[00:16:58]  We're back.
[00:16:58]  True and on.
[00:16:59]  My name is Liz.
[00:17:02]  My name is Brace, and we are joined, of course, by producer Young Chomsky.
[00:17:06]  And actually, special guest, Young Chomsky 2.
[00:17:11]  Electric Boogaloo.
[00:17:13]  Who produces the producer?
[00:17:14]  I should say today is Monday, August 10th, 2020.
[00:17:19]  And Brace, today's a special anniversary that I feel like we need to tell people about.
[00:17:28]  So think back, close your eyes, lay down, especially if you're driving, and think back to a year ago and how awful things seemed.
[00:17:38]  It just seemed like the whole world was crumbling around you.
[00:17:41]  Things were falling apart.
[00:17:43]  The economy, you know, you could see it was eventually heading for a recession.
[00:17:47]  And your personal relationships were not doing great.
[00:17:51]  And then like a bolt of lightning, something happens and everything changes.
[00:17:56]  And for the past year, everything has just gone straight up.
[00:18:00]  This has been August 10th to August 10th, probably the greatest year of my, your, and everyone else we know's life in history, baby.
[00:18:09]  We are riding high.
[00:18:10]  It's like we woke up from a nightmare in heaven.
[00:18:13]  I love it.
[00:18:13]  It's been the greatest year of my life.
[00:18:15]  The year ago that Jeffrey Epstein died, it was like a curse had been lifted from this world.
[00:18:22]  And everything has just gone amazing since then.
[00:18:25]  Yeah, so basically we're saying happy anniversary to Jeffrey Epstein's demise.
[00:18:32]  Yeah, I cannot believe it's been a year.
[00:18:34]  It is a little strange.
[00:18:37]  That's funny.
[00:18:38]  I remember us recording that podcast, the like special episode.
[00:18:43]  That was our first episode.
[00:18:44]  We were starting podcasting.
[00:18:45]  And then I was in Los Angeles for a friend's wedding.
[00:18:49]  And I got a call from my parents being like, oh my God, Jeffrey Epstein killed himself, allegedly.
[00:18:54]  And I was like, what?
[00:18:55]  And we all got on a text.
[00:18:56]  It's all very cute.
[00:18:57]  Reminiscing.
[00:18:59]  Yeah.
[00:18:59]  Memories like the corners of my mind.
[00:19:06]  Misty water colored memories of the way we were.
[00:19:12]  And it's nice to remember.
[00:19:15]  It is.
[00:19:15]  Yeah.
[00:19:17]  I was woken up very early that day.
[00:19:19]  For those who are familiar with Turnon and Canon, I don't sleep.
[00:19:23]  And so I don't appreciate getting woken up anytime before eight about.
[00:19:28]  And when I heard the news, it was like a bolt of lightning hit me.
[00:19:32]  Like it was, it was incredible.
[00:19:35]  And I flipped the fuck out.
[00:19:37]  And I'm honestly, like, listeners, think about how insane that was when Jeffrey Epstein died and like the way you felt when you heard that news.
[00:19:47]  Because to me, it's always a little bit like the veil was lifted just a little and we got to see in the nether realm.
[00:19:55]  You know?
[00:19:55]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:19:57]  Like, honestly, it felt like something akin to like the JFK assassination.
[00:20:02]  I wouldn't put it that big, but it wasn't.
[00:20:04]  I said it kids.
[00:20:05]  Yeah, yeah, it was crazy.
[00:20:07]  And then just as it opened a little bit, closed again.
[00:20:11]  Where are we now?
[00:20:12]  We're stuck inside.
[00:20:14]  We got COVID.
[00:20:15]  Everything's shit.
[00:20:16]  Everything crazy is happening 24-7.
[00:20:18]  And you've completely forgot about old Jeffrey.
[00:20:22]  Exactly.
[00:20:23]  Meanwhile, I just realized too that, you know, Jeffrey, the head of DHS, my enemies, Bill Barr, his father was the person who hired Jeffrey Epstein in the first place.
[00:20:33]  So things do come full circle.
[00:20:36]  We are intimately and forever entwined with this man.
[00:20:40]  We are forever connected in a cosmic battle.
[00:20:45]  Our souls are engaged in psychic and transcendental warfare.
[00:20:54]  Yeah, it's total spiritual war.
[00:20:58]  And we will defeat you.
[00:21:01]  Yeah, we're just one year into this battle, baby.
[00:21:03]  We got so much, we got so many more to go.
[00:21:17]  What do we got?
[00:21:18]  What do we got today, honey?
[00:21:20]  Well, we got a lot of stuff.
[00:21:21]  Okay, so we've been gone for a week, like we said a couple times.
[00:21:23]  Sorry about that.
[00:21:24]  Thank you.
[00:21:27]  But so as listeners know who have been following the case, Gillay and Maxwell locked up in the clink.
[00:21:40]  And as a kind of gift to everyone, they've started unsealing pertinent documents, court documents, related to the trial.
[00:21:52]  They call this, they were released under what's an obscure provision called the podcaster's law, which is where the federal government is legally required to give me and Liz something to talk about.
[00:22:02]  Yeah, it's very kind of them.
[00:22:04]  They're providing material support to Truanon and by extension, Antifa, actually, in a bizarre, in a bizarre.
[00:22:12]  I've always said Southern District of New York, hotbed of anti-fascism.
[00:22:18]  So we're going to be going through, those were released.
[00:22:21]  This started getting released last week.
[00:22:23]  There's more to come.
[00:22:24]  We'll get into some details there and some of the juicy little tidbits we located in the hundreds of pages that Brace and I printed out basically and made binders of.
[00:22:38]  By the way, I'm like, oh, cool.
[00:22:39]  I'm going on vacation.
[00:22:40]  You know what I did?
[00:22:41]  I literally sat on the lakeside with a thousand-page binder and a pen going through this testimony.
[00:22:48]  Yeah.
[00:22:49]  So we, we love binders here.
[00:22:52]  Binders full of women over at the end of four Epstein giant binders.
[00:22:56]  So yeah, yeah, I think that's true.
[00:22:57]  Binders full of women.
[00:22:59]  So we are going to get into that a little bit later on the show.
[00:23:03]  But a couple things happened just today that we need to bring up related to the Gillet Maxwell case before we kind of get into the details in these documents.
[00:23:14]  So the first is that unfortunately, so basically Gilling's counsel keeps trying to halt.
[00:23:21]  They were trying to stop the unsealing of all these documents.
[00:23:24]  They failed.
[00:23:26]  Loser, you failed.
[00:23:27]  You lost.
[00:23:28]  Bye-bye.
[00:23:30]  Bye-bye.
[00:23:30]  They're back for more.
[00:23:32]  Now they are trying to pause again the rest of the documents from being unsealed.
[00:23:40]  And I have some suspicions here that the rest of the documents, and we'll get into maybe why I think this later when we're going through what we've already read.
[00:23:50]  The rest of the documents are going to have some perhaps juicier tidbits than the ones that have been already unsealed.
[00:23:59]  And so Ghillain and her counsel are citing that there's unspecified, quote, critical new information that requires or would allow these documents to be continued to be sealed.
[00:24:16]  So now we're getting back into another court battle.
[00:24:19]  And I got to say, look, if I was the judge, Honorable Judge Prisca in New York, I would be a little tired of all this shit.
[00:24:28]  Yeah, I have a feeling that these are going to get unsealed at this point.
[00:24:32]  It was either all, I think in my head, and of course, this is not necessarily based on reality.
[00:24:37]  This is just a hunch.
[00:24:38]  So don't take it as, you know, word of God or whatever.
[00:24:41]  But I think these will get unsealed because Ghillain's been fighting to keep these sealed since, I believe, before since she was arrested.
[00:24:47]  Yeah.
[00:24:48]  I know she was, you know, communicating through her lawyers and they were saying there's a lot of names in these documents.
[00:24:54]  And in the documents we've seen so far, we actually really haven't encountered many new names.
[00:25:00]  And so I'm suspecting that they'll be in the next batch, probably mostly redacted.
[00:25:07]  But yeah, I have a feeling that these are going to come out.
[00:25:10]  She's just trying to sort of delay that.
[00:25:12]  The other thing that Maxwell is trying to do as of today is that her and her counsel are requesting that she be moved out of basically what sounds like solitary confinement into the general population of the MDC where she is currently residing.
[00:25:28]  Yeah, so from what I gather from what happened in her bail call and from what I've read since then is that Ghelane Maxwell, supposedly due to precautions because of COVID, has essentially been kept in something that resembles solitary confinement.
[00:25:44]  She's not in solitary, right?
[00:25:46]  Like solitary is a specific, you know, there's a specific protocol around that.
[00:25:49]  But the protocol around her confinement really does resemble it.
[00:25:53]  I mean, she is confined by herself.
[00:25:56]  Yeah, so basically, yeah, you're right.
[00:25:58]  You're correct that she was supposedly under like COVID-19 protocols, she was placed in, you know, I guess you would call it quarantine if you don't want to call it solitary, right?
[00:26:12]  Well, Ghelane calls it, I have it on good authority that Ghelane calls it quar.
[00:26:18]  Oh my God, she really would.
[00:26:20]  Yeah, absolutely.
[00:26:23]  Yeah, so that's like a 14-day quarantine protocol.
[00:26:26]  Now, her lawyers say that she has been, she's been kept over three weeks longer than the 14-day quarantine protocol.
[00:26:36]  So they're saying, what the hell is going on?
[00:26:39]  They don't think that this is going to change.
[00:26:41]  They say she continues to be surveilled 24 hours a day by security cameras and by multiple prison guards, many of whom do not appear to be regular MDC personnel.
[00:26:51]  A little interesting tidbit there.
[00:26:54]  These prison guards constantly observe Miss Maxwell and take notes on her every activity, including her phone conversations with defense counsel.
[00:27:00]  Until recently, Miss Maxwell was subjected to suicide watch protocols, including being woken up every few hours during the night and being forced to wear special clothing.
[00:27:10]  It's paper clothing that they give you.
[00:27:13]  Very chic.
[00:27:14]  Despite the fact that she, unlike Mr. Epstein, has never been suicidal and was never diagnosed as exhibiting risk factors for suicide.
[00:27:24]  Her cell is searched multiple times a day and she has been forced to undergo numerous body scans.
[00:27:30]  In addition, Miss Maxwell's access to the standard prison resources available to other pretrial detainees in the general population has been extensively curtailed or eliminated altogether.
[00:27:39]  Now, okay, zoom out.
[00:27:43]  Me, podcaster, layman, little old Liz.
[00:27:47]  I'm reading this and I'm thinking, well, Epstein, quote unquote, killed himself, allegedly.
[00:27:54]  Methinks this is probably a pretty good protocol to have on Miss Maxwell.
[00:27:57]  Yeah, I would say if you are basically the second in command of an organization where the leader of which murdered himself a year ago today, I would say that you don't get the benefit of the doubt for not quote unquote killing yourself.
[00:28:13]  Like, and it does give me a sort of perverse pleasure.
[00:28:17]  And I'm not one of these guys who's like, if you rape someone, you should go to jail and get your ass fucked or whatever.
[00:28:22]  No, it's not like that.
[00:28:23]  But it does give me the teeniest bit of, you know, there's guys like that.
[00:28:27]  Yeah, don't do that.
[00:28:28]  That's awful.
[00:28:29]  That's like an awful thing to say about any, like, no.
[00:28:32]  Well, it's wrong.
[00:28:32]  So a big, one of the, one of the, one of, one of many Americans' more depraved traits is imagining the sexual assault of somebody they don't like in prison.
[00:28:43]  I don't, it's yeah, this is, you know, sadism, run amok, eye for an eye, bullshit.
[00:28:49]  Get your, get your, uh, get your brain and your heart in order, people.
[00:28:54]  Get right with God.
[00:28:55]  Um, that being said, it does amuse me that there is no doubt some 300-pound guy from Queens putting on a really too tight, I think, a leather, not leather, that would be very funny, latex glove where there's like fat bulges out of his wrist and like he's losing circulation and just like pokes his finger in Ghelane's butt to search.
[00:29:17]  Oh, no, no.
[00:29:19]  That's what they do.
[00:29:20]  Listen, I don't take any pleasure in that.
[00:29:23]  I don't like that.
[00:29:24]  Well, it's funny.
[00:29:25]  I'm not taking pleasure in it.
[00:29:26]  That sort of thing.
[00:29:27]  Okay, anyway, I'm just saying, to get back to it, I'm just saying that, you know, what they're listing to me sounds pretty reasonable, given the circumstances, and that this is, you know, Ghillaine Maxwell.
[00:29:41]  Ghillain, second in command to the deceased Jeffrey Epstein Maxwell.
[00:29:49]  Yeah.
[00:29:50]  If she's lonely, how about this?
[00:29:53]  Put a guard in there.
[00:29:54]  Just be like, yeah, get a pen pal.
[00:29:57]  Hey, how about this?
[00:29:58]  Okay, there's so many GoFundMes for people writing letters to lonely people.
[00:30:03]  Let's write some letters to Ghillane.
[00:30:05]  Hey, dear Ghillaine.
[00:30:07]  How's it going?
[00:30:08]  Let's actually write a letter to Ghelane.
[00:30:12]  I mean, yeah, we're going to start a new thing.
[00:30:14]  Thank you.
[00:30:15]  Letter writing campaign.
[00:30:16]  We are establishing it right now.
[00:30:19]  This is, we're just coming up this, you know, look, actually, sorry, scratch that.
[00:30:24]  Delete that.
[00:30:25]  Erase.
[00:30:26]  Brace and I have been thinking about this for a long time.
[00:30:28]  Oh, yeah.
[00:30:29]  Planning out in stages for, I mean, I'm so happy to unveil this plan that we've created for you today.
[00:30:35]  Yes, it'll be rolled out in phases and completely branded.
[00:30:38]  And what we're saying is, everyone listening to this podcast, hey, let's all go grab a little card at the CVS.
[00:30:46]  Little hang in there, baby, with a cat, you know, on the don't die, swift or whatever.
[00:30:54]  And I'm familiar with that particularly quirky feline.
[00:30:58]  Yeah, dear Ghillain.
[00:31:01]  We hang in there.
[00:31:02]  Love.
[00:31:04]  And then just draw the eyeball.

=== Virginia Jeffrey Seeks Wexner Deposition (14:44) ===

[00:31:20]  So the other thing they're saying is that not only do they want her out in general population, but they also want her to be able to have access to computers that she currently does not.
[00:31:34]  And so what they're saying is that she doesn't have the sufficient amount of time or ability to review documents in her very complex case.
[00:31:45]  And basically, this is infringing on her Sixth Amendment right to participate in her own defense.
[00:31:52]  So they said, as an illustration, the government's first set of production materials consists of nearly 13,000 pages of documents.
[00:32:00]  Assuming it takes Ms. Maxwell an average of one minute to review each page of those materials.
[00:32:06]  One minute, interesting.
[00:32:10]  Based on the proposed cap of three hours per day for review, Miss Maxwell would conceivably finish reviewing the first set of documents at the earliest by mid-November 2020.
[00:32:19]  This is entirely unworkable.
[00:32:21]  So we'll see where that goes.
[00:32:23]  I hope they give her internet access.
[00:32:26]  Let her get her hosting out.
[00:32:27]  Yeah, absolutely.
[00:32:28]  Yeah.
[00:32:29]  Her Reddit account or whatever.
[00:32:33]  Yeah, I have a feeling that she'll, I don't know.
[00:32:37]  I mean, it can go either way because if they really want to throw a wrench in this trial and make it take longer than it would, then they would absolutely fuck her, like her case up like that.
[00:32:46]  And if I recall correctly, though, Epstein was basically allowed unlimited time to go review stuff.
[00:32:53]  And in fact, even had sex with a paralegal that his lawyers, by the way, which I feel like someone should cast a sort of a watchful eye on them about, brought to him in there.
[00:33:03]  So a year ago, well, not today, but a little over a year ago, Jeffrey Epstein was literally having sex in prison or in jail.
[00:33:13]  And Ghillain can't even get on a computer for three hours a day.
[00:33:16]  Yeah, well, this is what I'm always saying.
[00:33:17]  Jeffrey Epstein tragedy, Ghillane Maxwell farce.
[00:33:20]  Absolutely.
[00:33:21]  Absolutely.
[00:33:23]  So some other stuff happened.
[00:33:24]  We got in the legal realm, we have Mr. Wexner coming to the fore again.
[00:33:30]  And this story, I think, is pretty funny.
[00:33:33]  Yeah, this is basically like super breaking.
[00:33:36]  And I don't totally have a handle on everything that's being released here.
[00:33:40]  But to give some background here, so late June of last year, I believe, Virginia Jeffrey sued Virginia Jeffrey, who's of course one of the victims of Jeffrey Epstein.
[00:33:53]  And we will be reading from some of her testimony that was unsealed in the Ghillene Maxwell case shortly, later in this episode.
[00:34:02]  But Virginia Jeffrey filed a defamation suit against Alan Dershwitz for comments that he made in the press about her.
[00:34:13]  Famously, he basically smeared her as like a liar and a drug addict.
[00:34:17]  And that goes back to his time as representing Jeffrey Epstein in the mid-2000s when their whole game plan of Epstein's defense team was to basically drag these at the time, women, but at the time of their assault, young girls' names through the mud as much as possible.
[00:34:33]  Yeah, absolutely.
[00:34:34]  So Dershwitz, being the enterprising old fart that he is, counter-sued Virginia Jeffrey, saying, oh, you're going to sue me for defamation.
[00:34:46]  Well, guess what, sister?
[00:34:48]  I'm going to sue you.
[00:34:49]  So now they got dueling suits, right?
[00:34:53]  Basically, this is so amazing because, you know, we on TrueNON are always talking about how Dershwitz always ends up like, he is the most like foot in mouth kind of guy.
[00:35:05]  You know, he famously, of course, it's astounding degree.
[00:35:09]  Yeah, he famously, of course, had to cancel a mock trial event that he had scheduled literally on the topic of child rape, child sex trafficking.
[00:35:20]  That was when the With Chris Christie!
[00:35:24]  He was performing alongside Chris Christie, for God's sake.
[00:35:27]  Yeah, so he's, you know, he's always, yeah, he basically published an If I Did It.
[00:35:33]  Yes.
[00:35:34]  Oh, you know, I've read his sort of, he did publish, so you've been falsely accused, it's called.
[00:35:38]  I read it, which is, we didn't even cover on the show.
[00:35:42]  It was just a masochistic sort of exercise I went through.
[00:35:46]  Yeah, so he's always getting himself in trouble, like, on his own, just really tripping over his dick.
[00:35:52]  And he's got, he might, he perhaps has as well here, because what he's saying is that he's attempting to get Leslie Wexner, who we've, of course, talked a lot about on the podcast, the financier, if you will, of Jeffrey Epstein, and of course the former owner, CEO, head of L Brands.
[00:36:13]  He recently resigned.
[00:36:16]  And member of the mega group as well.
[00:36:19]  Yes, yes.
[00:36:21]  So Dershowitz is attempting to subpoena Leslie Wexner to explain his relationship to Jeffrey Epstein and therefore Virginia Jeffrey in order to prove that Dershowitz is not lying when he says that he never had sex with Virginia Jeffrey.
[00:36:41]  Dershowitz's defense of himself in relation to him having sex with Virginia Jeffrey, every time I hear him say it, he says something more outlandish.
[00:36:50]  In that Netflix documentary, he states vehemently that in fact, he's never had sex with anybody ever in his life except for his wife, which is like, you know, you could just say, I did not molest that child.
[00:37:03]  You don't have to be like, I've actually only fucked one woman and it's my old, it's like the kind of woman who would marry Alan Dershowitz.
[00:37:09]  Although, I believe, didn't he kill his first wife or something?
[00:37:12]  Anyways.
[00:37:13]  Allegedly, who knows?
[00:37:14]  Allegedly.
[00:37:16]  But yeah, this is amazing.
[00:37:18]  So they're going to decide whether to hit old Wexner with a subpoena.
[00:37:24]  I would love to be the person that delivered that.
[00:37:26]  Yeah, so basically Dershowitz wants Wexner and Wexner's attorney, John Zeiger, Zeeger, to sit down for depositions to help out his suit or countersuit against Virginia Jeffrey.
[00:37:41]  What's amazing is that now a little twist is that Virginia and her lawyers have now filed an affidavit saying or a memo saying, yes, we also want Wexner to be deposed because we think that it will help our case against Dershowitz.
[00:37:57]  So you've got Virginia and Dershowitz teaming up.
[00:38:02]  This is the, you know, most ambitious crossover yet or whatever.
[00:38:07]  Teaming up in order to get Leslie Wexner, the famously silent, he has made basically zero comments other than saying he barely had any ties to Epstein, didn't know anything about his sexual adventures or whatever.
[00:38:19]  Or in fact, that Epstein ripped him off financially.
[00:38:22]  He's like, I can't believe this pedophile I gave all this money to spent some of my money.
[00:38:26]  Yeah.
[00:38:27]  So they're basically both teaming up to try to get Leslie Wexner deposed in order to expose his own relationship to Jeffrey Epstein.
[00:38:35]  And they both think that it will clear their own names in these countersuits.
[00:38:38]  Now, Wexner has come out and said, basically, Mariah, Carrie, Gift, you know, I don't know them.
[00:38:48]  He basically, Leslie Wexner came out and basically was like, actually, you don't need to depose me because I have no fucking clue what Dershowitz is talking about.
[00:38:57]  And I've never been involved in any extortion scam.
[00:39:00]  I don't think that any, that Virginia is trying to extort anyone for money.
[00:39:05]  Don't ask me any more questions.
[00:39:07]  I'm not party to any of this.
[00:39:08]  And basically, he's trying to get out of being deposed by saying that he, you know, doesn't even know these people, basically.
[00:39:17]  Yeah, which, by the way, he clearly does.
[00:39:20]  I mean, for those of you who heard our interview with Maria Farmer, she was assaulted by Epstein at Leslie Wexner's fucking mansion.
[00:39:29]  You know, like he was closely, closely linked to Epstein for years.
[00:39:33]  And it's totally ridiculous that he wouldn't know about this.
[00:39:37]  I mean, he facilitated for Christ's sake.
[00:39:39]  Yeah.
[00:39:39]  So again, basically, Dershowitz's claim is that Virginia, or Virginia Jeffrey was like trying to do this for money, trying to extort everyone, that she has financial motivations.
[00:39:50]  And so Wexner came out and said, you know, there was no extortion demand ever made, no settlement was ever entered into, and not a penny or any other consideration was ever paid.
[00:40:01]  Mr. Wexner has had no involvement and thus lacks any personal knowledge relating to this so-called extortion claim.
[00:40:09]  Therefore, he does not believe that he needs to be deposed.
[00:40:12]  So basically he's trying to get out of it by saying his pal Alan Derschwitz is lying.
[00:40:17]  Which, again, classic Dershowitz maneuver.
[00:40:20]  So basically the judge is going to hear the case August 17th.
[00:40:25]  And it might, you know, it might happen that old Leslie gets deposed and we get to hear a little bit more about Leslie and his ties to Mr. Epstein.
[00:40:36]  I have a feeling that Wexner probably has some ideas of how to get out of that deposition, but we'll see.
[00:40:42]  At least I hope he gets served with a subpoena.
[00:40:45]  Well, speaking of Wexner, and actually speaking of Maria Farmer, this was actually kind of pleasant to hear, is that the New York Academy of Art issues an apology to Maria Farmer.
[00:40:57]  Now, so this is the woman, Rachel Corbett from ArtNet News, or yeah, artnet.com, has done a lot of really good reporting on sort of Epstein's involvement with the art world, which is sort of like an overlooked part of this.
[00:41:11]  But the gist of this is that, is that Maria Farmer says that, and I believe her, that Eileen Guggenheim, who was sort of a big wig at the New York Academy of Art.
[00:41:25]  She was the dean, yeah.
[00:41:27]  She was a dean, that she basically trafficked Maria to Jeffrey Epstein.
[00:41:32]  She certainly got him to, she got her to sell her art at a reduced price to Epstein.
[00:41:37]  In fact, to cancel like an expensive sale and then sell that same piece to Epstein at a reduced price.
[00:41:42]  She went on a trip with Maria to New Mexico and facilitated this.
[00:41:49]  And of course, Guggenheim has sworn up and down this is not true.
[00:41:54]  But there's actually been a fair amount of public outcry over this and a fairly widely signed petition.
[00:42:02]  And so now they're apologizing.
[00:42:05]  Yeah, so on July 30th, three members of the Academy's board resigned.
[00:42:12]  And then two weeks earlier, actually the actress Naomi Watts resigned from the board.
[00:42:19]  And there weren't any public statements made, but it's sort of like in the reporting, it seems to be that these people resigned because of the way the school was handling Maria Farmer's allegations about the school and Eileen Guggenheim's conduct.
[00:42:40]  So the executive committee has issued a, quote, profound apology to Farmer and other alumni who are quote upset and angry with its response.
[00:42:50]  They're making a $30,000 donation.
[00:42:52]  That to me seems like not very much money.
[00:42:56]  But, you know, it's interesting that they're, you know, it seems like they're acknowledging, you know, they were forced to acknowledge the allegations, which, you know, it seems like they were doing a good job of ignoring them for a very long time.
[00:43:11]  Yes, absolutely.
[00:43:12]  I mean, that's sort of been the MO for basically anybody who's been involved in this similar way, like who wasn't a main player, but was essentially somebody in Epstein's orbit or someone who facilitated his passage into high society or his access to young girls.
[00:43:29]  The general strategy has just been to ignore everything and not even mention it.
[00:43:36]  Yeah, it seems too is, you know, one thing I want to mention is that there's a letter, you know, a letter of alumni and current students and, you know, I think a lot of people that remained anonymous that were saying how upset they were with the school.
[00:43:53]  And one thing they really pointed out was the way that the school, in Maria's description and also what happened with her, you know, with her relationship with Guggenheim, introducing her to Epstein and then what happened in her life, but also currently with how the school works with students and donors.
[00:44:12]  And they point out that the school really needs to examine and, you know, I would think try to change or alter how it relates donors with students that are reliant on, you know, being introduced to wealthy patrons in order to possibly have a career in the art world and what that relationship is between the school facilitating what end up being exploitative relationships in the industry.
[00:44:42]  Well, I mean, that's the thing is about the art world is it really is sort of like a pimping relationship that a lot of these institutions have with people.
[00:44:49]  I mean, I am not, you know, well, podcasting's an art form, but I, you know, I'm never like an artist or anything, but I knew a lot of people, especially girls that went to art school.
[00:45:02]  Sometimes I knew them very well.
[00:45:04]  And that is sort of like what I gather is that like you basically have to have like a pimp and then you enter into this almost neo-feudal relationship with some sort of patron because the art world is fucking depraved in that sense.
[00:45:21]  Like there's so much like hyper-exploitation going on with artists.
[00:45:26]  And it's like, in a way, it reminds me a lot of boxing, where like a few people at the top make a lot of money and everybody else is basically just scrambling around trying to make some kind of living and sucking up to the people who can provide that.
[00:45:40]  And if we know anything about rich people is they like having that power over people.
[00:45:44]  It's a sort of sadistic, you know, quasi-sexual thing.
[00:45:49]  And so, you know, it doesn't surprise me at all.
[00:45:51]  Yeah.

=== QAnon Territory (04:52) ===

[00:46:04]  So before we get into some of the transcripts, there is one final little piece of reporting here.
[00:46:16]  There is a new documentary out on the Lifetime channel, which came out last night.
[00:46:21]  I have not had a time to watch it because I spent all day teaching CrossFit classes in Golden Gate Park with a journalist named Christopher Mason being interviewed.
[00:46:31]  And he says, he's one of those guys.
[00:46:33]  Listen, I've seen pictures of this guy.
[00:46:35]  You get the gist right away after seeing him.
[00:46:38]  This is a very British sort of human being.
[00:46:41]  A bow tie.
[00:46:42]  When Americans wear bow ties, they work at the Heritage Foundation.
[00:46:46]  When British people wear bow ties, they write dirty limericks for a living.
[00:46:51]  And this fellow, Christopher Mason, his story is, and this is from Vanity Fair here.
[00:46:58]  Ghelane was pretty specific and controlling, Mason told Vanity Fair this week.
[00:47:02]  When I do those songs, and I still occasionally do them, my preferred way of doing it is to speak with as many people as I can so I can get a real idea of the person and as much comic information as possible.
[00:47:12]  But Ghelane was very clear that I wasn't to speak to anyone else, that all the information was to come from Ghelane.
[00:47:19]  She wanted me to mention that when Epstein was teaching at the Dalton school, he was the subject of many schoolgirl crushes.
[00:47:27]  And if you'll indulge me, we have this tune in front of us.
[00:47:36]  And let me get my pitch right.
[00:47:39]  I'm going to do it in a British accent just to add an extra layer of realism.
[00:47:43]  I love when you do a British accent, baby.
[00:47:46]  Paul Jeffrey Epstein is 40.
[00:47:49]  Oy Vey.
[00:47:50]  I feel like that's a little.
[00:47:51]  Okay, that's a little problematic.
[00:47:52]  Mason does not sound like a Jewish last name.
[00:47:55]  We'll skip that.
[00:47:56]  Paul Jeffrey Epstein is 40.
[00:47:58]  Oy Vay.
[00:47:58]  Life must be tough.
[00:47:59]  His hair is already so gray.
[00:48:02]  He sure looks older, but it's clear from his smile.
[00:48:04]  The older he gets, the more juvenile.
[00:48:07]  Ghelane is lavishing him with her affections.
[00:48:10]  She claims he has 24-hour erections.
[00:48:13]  Sounds like he's busy.
[00:48:14]  Now, ain't that berserk?
[00:48:15]  How does he find the time to get off to work?
[00:48:17]  He wakes when the cock crows while everyone slumbers.
[00:48:20]  He rivals Einstein with a crunchy nose numbers.
[00:48:22]  He taught at Dalton.
[00:48:23]  The naughty boy blushes to think of schoolgirls and all of their crushes.
[00:48:29]  This is awful.
[00:48:31]  Horrible.
[00:48:32]  Dog shit.
[00:48:32]  This guy got paid for this.
[00:48:35]  That's awful.
[00:48:37]  Yeah, it's.
[00:48:39]  I just am imagining them all sitting around being like clapping their hands.
[00:48:44]  Absolutely.
[00:48:45]  Absolutely.
[00:48:46]  Sitting on tough fits.
[00:48:48]  Yeah.
[00:48:48]  So hundred percent.
[00:48:51]  I hate these fucking people.
[00:48:54]  Sorry, baby.
[00:48:55]  That's just.
[00:48:57]  Oh, one last thing.
[00:48:58]  One last thing.
[00:48:59]  This is from OK Magazine, the gossip magazine.
[00:49:01]  So this is not exactly page six in terms of reliability we're talking about here, but I have to mention it.
[00:49:08]  Okay magazine claims from a quote-unquote source that Ghelane Maxwell had sex with JFK Jr.
[00:49:16]  John John?
[00:49:17]  John John.
[00:49:18]  And now, okay, you might be like, well, we do remember, baby, we do remember that Robert Maxwell did want one of his daughters to marry a Kennedy, right?
[00:49:28]  Yeah, so this is getting uncomfortably close to QAnon territory for me.
[00:49:33]  This is literally fucking QAnon.
[00:49:37]  I mean that in every way.
[00:49:38]  Like, so I'm sure many of our listeners know what QAnon is, blah, blah, blah.
[00:49:42]  But a big part of the QAnon mythos, and in fact, almost like an offshoot now, is this theory that JFK Jr. Not only alive, but is a frumpy, extremely ugly man who goes to Trump rallies and refuses to say whether he is KFK Jr. or not.
[00:49:56]  He is not, of course.
[00:49:57]  His actual identity is very well documented.
[00:50:02]  But this would be in the, this is like saying that like one of the apostles had sex with like, my theology is failing me, the devil.
[00:50:12]  Like, this is, this is, I don't know, like John or whatever.
[00:50:17]  Yeah, there we go.
[00:50:17]  John had sex with Satan.
[00:50:20]  Because it's like, it's such like a, because John John, in the QAnon universe, John John is one of the secret forces of light, possibly Trump's new running mate to replace Pence, although sort of running.
[00:50:31]  Oh, I see what you're saying.
[00:50:33]  Yes, yes, yes.
[00:50:34]  And now for Ghillaine to have been there in the early days.
[00:50:38]  It's really throwing things, you know, I'd like to see how the cute people spin this.
[00:50:44]  There's also a lot of stories around that George Clooney got a blowjob from Glene Maxwell, but true and on listeners know, I think she made it up.
[00:50:53]  I think she probably did it.
[00:50:55]  He was all over the place in the 90s.

=== Jeffrey Epstein Revelations (03:14) ===

[00:50:57]  He was everywhere.
[00:50:59]  Because you know why?
[00:51:00]  He didn't know when ER if he could train if he could get out of just being a TV actor.
[00:51:04]  And so when you're in.
[00:51:06]  Yeah, yeah, he was on ER.
[00:51:08]  That's when he became famous.
[00:51:10]  The TV show ER.
[00:51:12]  Just keep up.
[00:51:12]  Okay, so no, but that's the whole thing.
[00:51:15]  So you don't know, you know, he was on ER.
[00:51:17]  He's all on the cover of Entertainment Weekly, which was a very big rag back then.
[00:51:23]  And, you know, he's on the TV guides and everything.
[00:51:25]  And everyone's like, oh, look at this handsome man.
[00:51:27]  But you never know.
[00:51:28]  Can you make the transition from TV to silver screen?
[00:51:31]  Well, our man George didn't know.
[00:51:34]  We didn't know yet.
[00:51:34]  So he was out partying.
[00:51:35]  He's on, he goes on an episode of Friends with his good friend Brad Pitt.
[00:51:39]  Great episode.
[00:51:40]  And then, you know, so he's out partying with everyone.
[00:51:43]  He's, you know, he's hanging out with Ghillane.
[00:51:46]  That's what I'm saying.
[00:51:48]  10 for 10.
[00:51:49]  I know, but I've been out true.
[00:51:52]  Baby, I've been out partying with everyone.
[00:51:55]  And I have never in my life.
[00:51:59]  Okay.
[00:52:00]  Ghillain?
[00:52:01]  Jesus.
[00:52:03]  Hey, hey, I will say this.
[00:52:04]  Hollywood people, they are just like you and me.
[00:52:08]  Except they get blowjobs from Glenn Maxwell.
[00:52:23]  So, on to the documents, baby.
[00:52:26]  Um, so...
[00:52:28]  So there were, what was it, about a thousand pages released?
[00:52:32]  Yeah, about a thousand, yeah.
[00:52:35]  Some of it's been released before.
[00:52:37]  I'm thinking particularly of Virginia Jeffries' sort of like autobiographical novel or like partial manuscript that she wrote, which I've read through before.
[00:52:48]  But the thing is, there's nothing in this necessarily that is like, you know, bowl me over crazy new information.
[00:52:56]  But there are quite a lot of very interesting details, including some stuff that we had no insight into before.
[00:53:02]  Yeah, absolutely.
[00:53:04]  Yeah, there's a lot.
[00:53:05]  I mean, you know, there is, you know, circulating on the internet is some of Virginia's testimony.
[00:53:11]  We've read from some of that on the podcast.
[00:53:14]  We've read from some of her unpublished memoir on the podcast.
[00:53:19]  So some of this stuff wouldn't be new to listeners.
[00:53:22]  Some of it wasn't new to me.
[00:53:23]  But this is its first release in like official capacity, we should say.
[00:53:27]  Yeah, absolutely.
[00:53:29]  And there are parts of this too that haven't been released either.
[00:53:34]  So I think the first thing we're going to talk about is from an interview actually between Virginia and her lawyer, Bradley Edwards, and Bradley Edwards' lawyer, actually.
[00:53:46]  And so, Liz, would you mind?
[00:53:49]  Well, let's just read from it.
[00:53:50]  I'll be the lawyer.
[00:53:51]  You be Virginia.
[00:53:52]  Okay.
[00:53:53]  So, all right, Virginia, the reason for this conversation is because it is our understanding that you know a man by the name of Jeffrey Epstein.
[00:54:00]  And I want to begin by asking you please to tell us about the circumstances of your first meeting Mr. Epstein.
[00:54:07]  Okay.
[00:54:08]  I was introduced to Mr. Epstein by Ghillane Maxwell.

=== Creepy Trophy Room Imagined (04:08) ===

[00:54:11]  I was working at Donald Trump's spa in Mar-a-Lago, and I was prompted by Ghillane to come to Jeffree's Mansion in Palm Beach that afternoon after work to make some extra money and to learn about massage.
[00:54:23]  She met me at the spa and I was reading a book about anatomy.
[00:54:26]  So I was already interested in massage therapy as it was and not having any of the education or, you know, anything behind me, I thought this was a great opportunity to work for her and go.
[00:54:38]  So I went to Jeffree's Mansion about five or six in the afternoon.
[00:54:41]  My dad drove me there.
[00:54:43]  My dad worked at Mar-a-Lago with me and he met Ghillane and she seemed like a nice, proper English lady and she knows, I mean, you know, one time then, once before I left overseas, she seemed really nice and like, we would like to help me out.
[00:54:57]  So my dad left and I had no problem getting home that night.
[00:55:00]  One of her drivers would take me back after my trial.
[00:55:03]  So she led me upstairs and into Jeffree's bedroom and past that is Jeffree's massage room, which has got his steam room and a shower and a massage table.
[00:55:12]  And there's actually an extra room that has, well, that nobody knows about.
[00:55:15]  It's kind of a secret room.
[00:55:17]  And it's got a whole bunch of decorative pictures of pornographic literature and sex toys.
[00:55:23]  And I can, what happened in there?
[00:55:27]  When you say the room was hidden, Virginia, how was the room concealed?
[00:55:32]  It wasn't like a door that you would normally go into, like some kind of special opening.
[00:55:38]  You open that and then a little door.
[00:55:40]  So it looks like it's a little closet, so to speak.
[00:55:42]  But when you walk in there, it's obviously a lot bigger than just a closet.
[00:55:46]  It wasn't too big, but it was bigger, you know.
[00:55:49]  It wasn't a gigantic room.
[00:55:51]  It was just like a small room, which, you know, it probably could fit some shoes in there.
[00:55:54]  It had racks of shoes, foxes, some sweatshirts neatly folded.
[00:55:58]  And the ceiling to the floor was covered in pornographic pictures of the girls that he had met.
[00:56:04]  So to sort of take a step back here is that we knew Jeffrey Epstein, of course, famously decorated his Palm Beach house.
[00:56:12]  in basically exclusively naked photos of everything ranging from essentially infants to that old bitch Ghelaine Maxwell.
[00:56:21]  And sort of we what we didn't know about though is the fact that this was a secret room, essentially.
[00:56:31]  It's sort of creepy to imagine.
[00:56:33]  I mean, everything's obviously creepy to imagine, but like entering through this small door into this room that's that's much bigger than it has any right to be.
[00:56:40]  And she goes on to describe it as having at least 100 photographs of naked girls.
[00:56:46]  And like I said, they covered the room from the ceiling, not the ceiling, but the top of the edge of the wall to the bottom of the floor.
[00:56:53]  So we're talking literally wall to like ceiling to floor, like pasted on photographs of girls.
[00:57:00]  And she goes on to state that some of these girls were just like girls like Virginia that he brought over there.
[00:57:07]  And I get a very Carcosa bad vibes from me.
[00:57:11]  Yeah, there's a couple things that come to mind.
[00:57:13]  One that's like really perverse is that it reminds me so much growing up on like how teen girls would cover their walls with like wristdown pages from like teen Bob magazine or whatever it was, you know, and it would be like the hunky stars on the wall when you're a teen girl.
[00:57:28]  That's precisely what it reminded me of.
[00:57:30]  Yeah.
[00:57:30]  Yeah, which is like such a perverse image then when it's an old man of young girls, right?
[00:57:36]  There's like something that now has been appropriate, something innocent that now has been appropriated into something really, really dark and stolen from these girls.
[00:57:44]  And it's like explicit on the walls of his house.
[00:57:48]  I thought that exact same thing as well, but it also reminded me of something else that you hang on walls, which is like the heads of animals you've slayed.
[00:57:59]  It reminded me a lot of that as well, sort of a trophy room for Epstein, because in a way it was.
[00:58:05]  Yeah, I mean, this is like, you know, Brace and I have talked about this a lot on the podcast and also just separately, but or, you know, privately, but, you know, we talk a lot about like the sickness of the bourgeois mind.

=== Bill Clinton's Island Secrets (14:36) ===

[00:58:19]  Yeah.
[00:58:20]  And like what comes, what's born out of this like sickness and this like, you know, depravity.
[00:58:32]  Yeah, it's really upsetting.
[00:58:33]  I don't know.
[00:58:34]  It's really upsetting.
[00:58:36]  She goes on later to basically give a list of people that she flew with on the plane.
[00:58:43]  The lawyer asks, I'm going to ask you who the people that were that you remember flying with Jeffrey on his plane when you were personally present without regard to whether there was any sexual activity that occurred in the plane or not.
[00:58:55]  So I'm not asking you to implicate any of these famous people in improper conduct, just to tell me the names of the people, who the names of the people are that you remember, that you consider to be famous people.
[00:59:04]  Okay, so there was Naomi Campbell, Heidi Klum, there was Bill Clinton, there was Al Gore, there was a whole bunch of models.
[00:59:14]  I wouldn't really, I wouldn't really honestly be able to give their names.
[00:59:19]  There was Matt Groenig, the producer of The Simpsons cartoon.
[00:59:24]  Yeah.
[00:59:25]  Jack Cousteau's granddaughter, a lot of interior designers, architects, politicians.
[00:59:30]  I'm just trying to think of as many names as possible for you.
[00:59:33]  Off the top of my head, that's as good as I can get for now.
[00:59:36]  So these are all names that we have mentioned on the podcast.
[00:59:43]  You know, Naomi Campbell, we've spoken of a bunch.
[00:59:47]  And if you are a fan of blind items, none of these names should be familiar.
[00:59:53]  Al Gore is actually someone whose name hasn't come up too much.
[00:59:57]  Well, so as far as I can understand, that was actually a mistake by Virginia.
[01:00:03]  She, I think, later recanted that and was like, oh, it wasn't Al Gore.
[01:00:07]  It was some other politician.
[01:00:10]  So that he's safe.
[01:00:13]  But everybody else, Matt Groenig, I remember that.
[01:00:15]  That Al Gore is safe.
[01:00:16]  That motherfucker.
[01:00:17]  He's greenwashed his entire reputation.
[01:00:19]  That motherfucker is DLC scum.
[01:00:22]  Yeah.
[01:00:23]  Yeah.
[01:00:24]  Son of a.
[01:00:24]  He's the greenwasher.
[01:00:26]  Yeah.
[01:00:27]  Again, he can.
[01:00:29]  Suck me.
[01:00:30]  But Matt Groenig here, who listen, when a lot of people heard this news, it was people didn't take it very well.
[01:00:40]  But Virginia herself said, and Matt Groenig confirmed that she actually just gave him a fully clothed foot massage, which I believe he said was weird.
[01:00:48]  Like, Epstein ordered her to do it.
[01:00:51]  Possibly as, like, a preclude to try to get...
[01:00:53]  We already heard about this, about his gross feet.
[01:00:55]  Mm-hmm.
[01:00:56]  Yeah, which is the least surprising news I've ever read in my entire life.
[01:01:01]  Yeah, cartoonist, gross feet, news at 11.
[01:01:04]  So later we actually got some information, which isn't, I don't know, it's not interesting in like a, you know, the sense of like, does this prove that Jeffrey Epstein was in the CIA or whatever?
[01:01:14]  But it's like another window, like the secret room, is just to really just how perverse the bourgeois mind is.
[01:01:21]  Like and how sort of like creepy and decadent it is.
[01:01:26]  So the lawyer asked, did he ever express any style preferences in terms of how he wanted you to dress?
[01:01:31]  Besides dressing classy, you know, any other suggestion to you about how he wanted you dressed?
[01:01:37]  He didn't, like I said, he wasn't trying to dress me in any prostitute way or anything like that.
[01:01:43]  It was nice, classy outfits.
[01:01:45]  I was wearing like Gucci, Dolce and Govana, Chanel, things like that.
[01:01:49]  He was buying me a lot of very, very nice clothing.
[01:01:52]  It was provocative.
[01:01:54]  I mean, I was wearing mini skirts and tight short shorts and little shirts that showed my belly and my cleavage and everything, but they were very expensive clothes.
[01:02:02]  This part, this part was news to me.
[01:02:05]  Was there any dress-up role-playing?
[01:02:08]  Yes, there was.
[01:02:09]  Lots of it.
[01:02:10]  Jeffrey loved the latex outfits Ghillane had for us girls.
[01:02:15]  He had bondage outfits.
[01:02:17]  He had all kinds of outfits, but his favorite was the schoolgirl.
[01:02:22]  I'm not enjoying this, but the lawyer says, tell me about that.
[01:02:27]  Well, you know, Ghilane would take me to dress me up to surprise JE or Jeffrey would ask me to get dressed up.
[01:02:35]  That would include wearing a tiny little skirt with nothing underneath, a white-collared shirt that you would be wearing to school with a tie in it tied up in a bow, my hair and pigtails stocking up on up to my knees, and I would go in there and act like a kid and we'd do role-playing sexing.
[01:02:55]  I will say, fuck that.
[01:02:57]  That's that, that, like, oh.
[01:03:01]  Like, if there was, I mean, I was gonna say, if there's any doubt in your mind, but I don't think anyone has any doubt in their minds.
[01:03:07]  This, like, this gave me the creeps in a way that I'm sure it's giving the creeps to many of our listeners.
[01:03:15]  I was rather surprised, though, to hear about the latex and sort of the bondage S ⁇ M aspect of this.
[01:03:22]  I feel like that's Ghillane's.
[01:03:24]  That's got to be Ghillane's deal.
[01:03:26]  That's what I was going to say.
[01:03:27]  That seems like the touch of Ghillane.
[01:03:30]  Without getting into that stuff, I don't really want to comment anymore on that.
[01:03:34]  Me either.
[01:03:35]  So this is from later where the lawyer is asked Virginia about how she left.
[01:03:41]  Now, well, I guess she explains in this, but yeah, this is about Virginia sort of leaving the Epstein organization.
[01:03:50]  Okay, so it hadn't really ended.
[01:03:53]  I walked away from it all.
[01:03:55]  Jeffrey sent me to Thailand where I met my husband and escaped to Australia, never to return to the States.
[01:04:01]  About six months prior to that, he came up with a proposition that I thought was really disgustingly sick.
[01:04:07]  And it really showed me for the first time in four years I had been with him that nothing was going to change and I was always just going to be used by him, which I did not like.
[01:04:17]  He offered me a mansion and some of his money every month.
[01:04:20]  I forgot what he called it, a monthly income of what he made to bear one of his children.
[01:04:26]  The proposition was that if anything ever happened between Jeffrey and I, that I would have to sign my child over to him, basically, and that the child would be his and Kylane's, and I would be looking after it as long as nothing happened between Jeffrey and I.
[01:04:39]  So I was kind of freaked out by all of that.
[01:04:41]  I pushed Jeffrey more to please get me some more training, you know, and I was getting older and not as much of interest to Jeffrey anyway.
[01:04:48]  I was 19 now, and he likes a female a lot younger.
[01:04:53]  So he sent me to Thailand in September of 2002.
[01:04:56]  I was first supposed to meet a girl there and bring her back with me, but I never met up with her.
[01:05:01]  I proceeded to get a short course in Thai massage, so that was to shut me up about my training, so I went there.
[01:05:07]  And one of my friends from school invited me to watch a fight, like a Muay Thai fight, which is like a form of kickboxing.
[01:05:13]  So I went and watched it.
[01:05:15]  I saw this guy that was a really good fighter, and the girl's word looked really hot.
[01:05:21]  So I asked my friend who knew him to introduce me.
[01:05:24]  We got introduced and fell in love immediately.
[01:05:26]  Three days later, Rob proposed.
[01:05:28]  Aw.
[01:05:29]  And seven days later, I was being married in a Buddhist temple.
[01:05:32]  I called Jeffrey and told him, I'm sorry, I'm never coming back.
[01:05:36]  I've gotten married.
[01:05:36]  I've fallen in love.
[01:05:38]  I thought he'd wish the best for me, but he was just kind of rude and he said, have a good life, hung up the phone.
[01:05:44]  And that was the last time I'd talked to him ever until all this started again.
[01:05:49]  Yes, and we'll get into her later conversations with Epstein after all this started again.
[01:05:56]  But yeah, I thought that was like a pretty good window into exactly how Virginia left because we knew the story about, you know, she's going to Thailand and getting sent there.
[01:06:05]  But I thought this was a, I don't know, it was interesting to read.
[01:06:09]  Yeah.
[01:06:10]  So the last thing we got to bat is, well, for fans of the Democratic Party of the United States, will be very exciting.
[01:06:18]  And hopefully, none of you listening are fans of the Democratic Party.
[01:06:24]  And if you are, we haven't done our jobs.
[01:06:28]  We got the lawyer saying this.
[01:06:30]  Just a few other follow-up things I want to ask you.
[01:06:33]  And again, if any of these questions are questions that you're uncomfortable in responding to, then don't hesitate to tell me them.
[01:06:39]  Do you have any recollection of Jeffrey Epstein specifically telling you that, quote, Bill Clinton owes me favors?
[01:06:48]  Yes, I do.
[01:06:50]  It was a laugh, though.
[01:06:52]  He would laugh it off.
[01:06:53]  You know, I remember asking Jeffrey, what's Bill Clinton doing here, kind of thing?
[01:06:56]  And he laughed it off and said, well, he owes me a favor.
[01:07:00]  He never told me what the favors were.
[01:07:02]  I never knew.
[01:07:02]  I didn't know if he was serious.
[01:07:04]  It was just a joke.
[01:07:06]  He told me a long time ago that everyone owes him favors.
[01:07:09]  They're all in each other's pockets.
[01:07:12]  When you say you asked him, why is Bill Clinton here?
[01:07:15]  Where was he here?
[01:07:16]  On the island.
[01:07:18]  When you were present with Jeffrey Epstein and Bill Clinton on the island, who else was there?
[01:07:23]  Ghillain, Emmy, and there were two young girls I could identify.
[01:07:28]  I never really knew them well anyways.
[01:07:30]  It was just two girls from New York.
[01:07:32]  So that pause, pause.
[01:07:36]  We have heard, you know, there has been no testimony so far about people that have said, I had sex with Bill Clinton at Jeffrey Epstein's island or stayed on the plane.
[01:07:46]  But, but from what you get reading this testimony is there are so, so, so many more girls, both American and, you know, trafficked from other countries that were on the island and on the plane, besides like Virginia or any of the people that have come out, that that doesn't really say much to us.
[01:08:06]  Because if you are this fucking old man on the island, Bill Clinton, I'll just say for me, if I go to my friend's island and my friend is famously rumored to have unorthodox sexual appetite, and there are a bunch of scantily clad young girls around, I would leave the island.
[01:08:28]  I mean, it is sort of shocking.
[01:08:31]  I mean, you know, it's sort of shocking in the sense that like, yeah, there's so many more witnesses that haven't come forward, but maybe they knew they were never going to come forward.
[01:08:40]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:08:41]  I mean, that could be it too.
[01:08:42]  You know, Virginia mentioned several times throughout this testimony and others that a lot of these girls had foreign accents.
[01:08:49]  That actually, at some points, it seemed like the minority were Americans.
[01:08:53]  And all these girls were almost all white.
[01:08:56]  Jeffrey Epstein famously had a very particular taste, but a lot of them were trafficked from former Soviet bloc states, probably by Jean-Luc Brunel.
[01:09:06]  Yeah.
[01:09:08]  So he goes on and says, the lawyer says, and were all of you staying at Jeffree's house and on the island, including Bill Clinton?
[01:09:16]  That's correct.
[01:09:17]  He had about four or five different villas on his island separate from the main house, and we all stayed in the villas.
[01:09:24]  Were sexual orgies a regular occurrence on the island at Jeffree's house?
[01:09:31]  Yes.
[01:09:32]  If we were to take sworn testimony from the people I'm going to name, and if those people were to tell the truth about what they knew, do you believe that any of the following people would have relevant information about Jeffries taking advantage of underage girls?
[01:09:45]  So pause.
[01:09:46]  He's not asking if any of these people were friends at Jeffree Epstein.
[01:09:48]  He's asking if any of these people would have actual knowledge of Jeffree's molesting young girls.
[01:09:55]  He's asking, do you have information that could lead to the arrest of Jeffrey Epstein?
[01:09:59]  Absolutely.
[01:10:01]  So he continues, so I'll just name a name and you tell me, yes, if they told the truth, I think they'd have relevant information or no.
[01:10:09]  I don't think they would, or I don't know whether they would or not.
[01:10:12]  Okay, you understand?
[01:10:14]  So just to be clear, he's not asking if these people knew Jeff.
[01:10:18]  He's asking, do these people know about Jeffrey Epstein's appetite for underage women?
[01:10:26]  Okay, Les Wexner.
[01:10:28]  I think he has relevant information, but I don't think he'll tell you the truth.
[01:10:33]  That's an interesting way to put it.
[01:10:35]  Yes.
[01:10:36]  Okay, Alan Dershowitz.
[01:10:38]  Yes.
[01:10:40]  That, by the way, is not adorned with any sort of anything else, just a flat yes.
[01:10:46]  We got next David Copperfield.
[01:10:48]  Don't know.
[01:10:50]  True Anon fans will know that David Copperfield is a definite yes.
[01:10:55]  Tommy Mattola.
[01:10:57]  Don't know.
[01:10:58]  Now, who's Tommy Mattola?
[01:11:00]  Okay, so Tommy Mattola, I mean, it's probably not a surprise that people wouldn't know who he is now, but back in the day, big wig in the music industry, and of course, famously married to Mariah Carey.
[01:11:13]  Oh, okay.
[01:11:15]  Much like someone else who's been in the news lately, Nick Cannon, who is, I don't know if you saw, but rehabilitating himself by reading Barry Weiss's book on anti-Semitism, which is almost as depraved as anything I'm reading.
[01:11:30]  But he's like, I mean, he was like the CEO of Sony.
[01:11:33]  I mean, he's like a big, big, I mean, big guy in the industry.
[01:11:37]  Wait, you're telling me that a record executive executive.
[01:11:43]  Come on.
[01:11:44]  I know, but I'm thinking of a certain other man in LA who belongs to a gay mafia.
[01:11:50]  Ah, interesting.
[01:11:53]  And the final name we have is Prince Andrew.
[01:11:57]  Yes, he would know a lot of the truth.
[01:12:01]  Again, I don't know how much he would be able to help you with, but seeing he's in a lot of trouble himself these days, I think he might, so I think he might be valuable.
[01:12:11]  I'm not too sure of him.
[01:12:13]  Well, Virginia, you can be sure of him now.
[01:12:18]  Yeah.
[01:12:19]  Prince Andrew, seeing these documents, sweat and bullets.
[01:12:24]  The curse has left.
[01:12:25]  His PTSD is gone.
[01:12:28]  Pouring sweat.
[01:12:30]  Fergie is with a gin and tonic in a big gulp cup just swirling around the lawn at Balmoral.
[01:12:38]  Yeah, she's on the lamb.
[01:12:40]  She's out in the moors.
[01:12:41]  She's like, you know what?
[01:12:42]  She's literally drunk and riding a lamb.
[01:12:47]  But, you know, to be fair, that's not, you know, strange behavior for the Brits.
[01:12:52]  No, not no one whatsoever.
[01:12:54]  Not out of character.

=== Returning to Tradition (04:52) ===

[01:12:56]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:12:57]  So that is all.
[01:13:00]  That's all we got time for today.
[01:13:01]  There are a lot more documents, though.
[01:13:04]  Well, okay, so here's the thing, guys, is that we had planned on going through all of our notes and highlighted portions from these documents, but whoops, we ran out of time.
[01:13:14]  There's too much to get into.
[01:13:17]  There is a lot here, but we have some pretty juicy stuff left for you.
[01:13:23]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:13:24]  So we're going to get into it again in the next episode.
[01:13:28]  We won't leave you hanging.
[01:13:30]  So, well, I guess we are leaving you hanging.
[01:13:34]  Yeah.
[01:13:34]  So, whoops, my bad.
[01:13:36]  Look, you not only are leaving them hanging, but you're lying about it.
[01:13:39]  It's terrible.
[01:13:39]  But you know what?
[01:13:41]  We're leaving you hanging, but you're like that little cat.
[01:13:43]  You're on the ledge and we're saying, hey, hang in there, baby.
[01:13:47]  We got you.
[01:13:48]  All right.
[01:14:01]  With that, we say adieu.
[01:14:03]  No, that's not how we sign off.
[01:14:05]  You know what?
[01:14:06]  I will say this.
[01:14:07]  On the bon anniversar of dear Jeffreys, the patron Satan of this podcast, his yearly.
[01:14:20]  I mean, we should have like thrown a party or something, but I guess COVID, you can't, we're not zooming.
[01:14:25]  I mean, I'm going to a party tonight.
[01:14:28]  Yeah, okay.
[01:14:31]  No, I mean, you know, the year anniversary of his death, I think it's appropriate that we return to the source.
[01:14:38]  We are returning to tradition here on the podcast.
[01:14:41]  This is the Dawkins episode.
[01:14:44]  Absolutely.
[01:14:45]  Yeah, we are reading Dawkins.
[01:14:48]  I know.
[01:14:49]  It's, it's, again, like, I know I've made this point a few times on the podcast, but it is astounding how, like, killing Jeffree was like taking like the last hair out of the drain and all the water goes down.
[01:15:04]  Things have not gone well.
[01:15:05]  It's like it's a someone tried to sacrifice him to Moloch, but they actually sacrificed him to like Nebuchadnezzar or something.
[01:15:14]  And things, things did not go well.
[01:15:17]  I mean, I'm going to go to Guantanamo Bay.
[01:15:20]  No, you're not.
[01:15:22]  They're going to take me to Gitmo.
[01:15:25]  You know what?
[01:15:25]  I was joking.
[01:15:26]  We're going to have to pivot to being like pro-Bidencast.
[01:15:29]  We're going to go full Biden cast to get DHS off your back.
[01:15:32]  Well, that's what, that's what, that's, that's kind of what I was joking to Ken about.
[01:15:36]  It's like, this is a psyop to get me to start saying to vote for Biden instead of not vote for him on the podcast.
[01:15:42]  Oh, they're, oh, I see.
[01:15:44]  This is what they're doing.
[01:15:45]  Psychological warfare.
[01:15:47]  Get us to say, hey, vote blue no matter who to get brave.
[01:15:52]  We just need to get this guy out of the White House.
[01:15:55]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:15:56]  It's time.
[01:15:57]  It's time.
[01:15:58]  It's time for Joe Biden in the White House.
[01:16:02]  This is my fight song.
[01:16:04]  My wind the house song.
[01:16:07]  It doesn't work.
[01:16:08]  I fucking love that song.
[01:16:10]  This is my fight song.
[01:16:12]  Take back my life song.
[01:16:15]  Prove it more.
[01:16:17]  It's so good.
[01:16:17]  Remember that point?
[01:16:18]  It's so good.
[01:16:19]  Do you remember that period where we just watched that video like eight times every time?
[01:16:23]  Okay, so people aren't going to, unless they've seen the live show, they aren't going to understand that.
[01:16:27]  No, no, no.
[01:16:28]  We're never doing that show again, right?
[01:16:30]  We're never doing the live show.
[01:16:32]  Okay, so we can say this.
[01:16:33]  There was a part in the show that was the kind of crescendo that featured fight song very prominently, along with a kind of blood-soaked Hillary Clinton and a live firearm.
[01:16:49]  Yeah, a live firearm and then a kind of like image of a shotgun at the head of Peter Thiel parody.
[01:16:58]  Just kidding.
[01:16:59]  And it's filled with whipped cream.
[01:17:02]  And, you know, fight song, this is my fight song.
[01:17:06]  You know, we got the crescendo building, building.
[01:17:08]  And then, you know, we lead the crowd in a rousing chant, bloodthirsty chant of lock them up.
[01:17:17]  Yeah.
[01:17:18]  So on that note, we got to get Buddy on white.
[01:17:22]  Lock them up.
[01:17:23]  Lock them.
[01:17:24]  Lock Brace up.
[01:17:26]  Lock Brace up.
[01:17:29]  If there are any handsome and/or beautiful lawyers out there, please contact with me because I need to borrow some money.
[01:17:36]  You've got a lawyer.
[01:17:37]  You've got to borrow some money.
[01:17:39]  No, not for legal representation.
[01:17:42]  I just have some cash flow, liquidity problems due to.
[01:17:46]  Unfortunately, you know, casinos are still open in Tahoe.

=== Need to Borrow Money (02:32) ===

[01:17:49]  Oh, my God.
[01:17:51]  Did you go?
[01:17:52]  To the casino?
[01:17:53]  No.
[01:17:54]  Yeah, you're not going to do that.
[01:17:55]  Let's go vid.
[01:17:56]  No, yeah.
[01:17:58]  I sat in the woods and read documents and communed.
[01:18:04]  Well, yeah, zero to red dot.
[01:18:08]  But what a pleasure.
[01:18:10]  We're just going to keep going.
[01:18:11]  We're just going to keep going.
[01:18:12]  Yeah, if we had a 15-minute intro, so why not a 45-minute outro?
[01:18:17]  Yeah, where it's just you and I talk gig.
[01:18:19]  Brace, what's up?
[01:18:21]  You know, I'm hungry.
[01:18:22]  I need some lamb.
[01:18:23]  I got a lamb out there.
[01:18:24]  So, you know, okay, listeners behind the veil.
[01:18:27]  No, don't show them behind the veil.
[01:18:31]  Fine.
[01:18:32]  You can always tell, but I'm the same way, but you can always, but usually on the streams, it's different.
[01:18:37]  But you can always tell when Brace needs to eat because he turns into little baby Brace.
[01:18:43]  I get squirrely.
[01:18:44]  I know.
[01:18:46]  You start getting like kind of like moving around and you're distracted and you get really like, you get really grumpy.
[01:18:53]  Yeah.
[01:18:54]  And you can't make decisions.
[01:18:55]  And you're just like, I don't care.
[01:18:57]  Let's just go.
[01:18:59]  It's great.
[01:18:59]  Yes.
[01:19:00]  I know.
[01:19:01]  The problem is.
[01:19:02]  All men are like this.
[01:19:03]  Did I tell you about the diet I heard about when I was in LA?
[01:19:06]  That you can just, you don't need to drink water?
[01:19:09]  Listen, my buddy Rincon told me about this fucking diet, which I'm sure many of our more waifish listeners are engaged in.
[01:19:17]  Check this fucking one out.
[01:19:19]  You don't drink water.
[01:19:21]  You just like, you can eat food.
[01:19:22]  It's the thing is, they're like.
[01:19:24]  You don't drink water.
[01:19:25]  I don't get it.
[01:19:26]  Well, their whole thing is like, well, water weight, but it's also like water's like, they treat water like a vitamin.
[01:19:31]  It's like, you know how people are like, oh, you can get vitamin C from like, you know, oranges or whatever.
[01:19:35]  They're like, oh, you can get all the water you need from like garbanzo beans.
[01:19:40]  Like, you don't need to drink water.
[01:19:43]  And, and I got to say, that rocks.
[01:19:47]  So, yeah, I haven't drank water in about two weeks now.
[01:19:50]  You look great.
[01:19:52]  Yeah.
[01:19:52]  Oh, thank you.
[01:19:53]  I've just been drinking this other stuff, vodka, they said you can replace it with.
[01:19:59]  Okay, okay, I'm tired.
[01:20:01]  Let's go.
[01:20:02]  Yeah, let's let's let's let's shut her down.
[01:20:04]  Uh, my name is The Dark Cowboy.
[01:20:12]  Bringing that one back.
[01:20:13]  I'm Liz.
[01:20:14]  We are joined by producer Hyung Chomsky.
[01:20:18]  And we will see you next time.
[01:20:20]  Bye-bye!