True Anon Truth Feed - Episode 61: Return to Little St. James
Aired: 2020-04-18
Duration: 01:06:31


=== Dutch vs. New England (06:56) ===

[00:00:00]  Okay.
[00:00:01]  Initializing Liz program.
[00:00:04]  Liz, sinking.
[00:00:08]  What?
[00:00:09]  No?
[00:00:10]  Do it again.
[00:00:11]  Did it sound right?
[00:00:12]  Yes, it sounded right.
[00:00:13]  Do it again.
[00:00:15]  Liz.
[00:00:16]  Wait, wait.
[00:00:17]  I didn't do it.
[00:00:20]  Liz, sinking.
[00:00:23]  Oh, my God.
[00:00:24]  I really think I should do voice work.
[00:00:27]  Could you do, that is going to get a strong response from the audience if we release that.
[00:00:31]  did um i used to do the voice that was the like oh do you want to hear my muni one oh 100%.
[00:00:39]  Yes.
[00:00:40]  Okay.
[00:00:41]  N, Judah, in four minutes.
[00:00:45]  You got it.
[00:00:46]  M, M in six minutes.
[00:00:50]  K in 10 minutes.
[00:00:54]  Oh, my God.
[00:00:55]  Oh my God, that is, you got everything.
[00:00:59]  You got the pauses.
[00:01:01]  You got the stress on the syllables?
[00:01:03]  I mean, that was... Liz...
[00:01:04]  I'm a very observant person.
[00:01:06]  This is picture-perfect Muni.
[00:01:09]  I know.
[00:01:10]  Except I said N Judah.
[00:01:11]  It's not Judah.
[00:01:12]  It's N in three minutes.
[00:01:16]  K, K in six minutes.
[00:01:21]  T in 12 minutes.
[00:01:26]  This is astounding.
[00:01:29]  I feel like I'm taking the train again.
[00:01:32]  Does it put you in this space?
[00:01:34]  Yeah, you could do Muni ASMR.
[00:01:40]  This is what's going to work.
[00:01:41]  You're going to mess that up podcasting, Grammy.
[00:01:43]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:01:44]  Oh, my God.
[00:01:45]  Yeah, for my train series.
[00:01:49]  You know, trains, roll big right now.
[00:01:52]  Everyone's into trains.
[00:01:55]  It's like trains and monkeys.
[00:01:56]  It's all anyone cares about now.
[00:01:59]  It is.
[00:02:00]  Well, trains.
[00:02:00]  So my dad's a big trainman.
[00:02:04]  And this is going to sound, a lot of people are going to cast a lot of aspersions about this.
[00:02:08]  My father, one of his sort of tried and true hobbies that he does basically every night is he researches old train schedules and then writes them up in spreadsheets on the computer.
[00:02:22]  No.
[00:02:23]  Yes.
[00:02:24]  So Austria-Hungary's like rail line, my dad has, my dad could tell you how to get from Budapest to Vienna in 1912 by noon or whatever.
[00:02:37]  I mean, the man is, he also built an entire tiny town for trains.
[00:02:44]  That is so cute.
[00:02:45]  It was really, it was really good.
[00:02:47]  And then he, yeah, he stopped working on it.
[00:02:49]  Unfortunately, it's a family tragedy.
[00:02:51]  Prague.
[00:02:52]  Prague in six minutes.
[00:02:56]  My God.
[00:02:57]  My God.
[00:02:58]  Yeah, I don't know.
[00:02:59]  I mean, here's the thing is trains are, well, we know there's certain sections of society who really likes them, but people think that like it's the answer to like a clean energy future.
[00:03:12]  I'll tell you what, I don't care about the future.
[00:03:14]  I don't care about clean energy.
[00:03:16]  I care about real estate scams.
[00:03:18]  So I've been buying up farmland between here and Fresno in preparation for Newsom's big boondoggle.
[00:03:25]  And I'll tell you what, honey, once the Western Compact splits off from the rest of America, then I'm basically going to probably be something of a robber baron.
[00:03:38]  What are we going to call it?
[00:03:38]  Cascadia?
[00:03:39]  Cascadia, 100%.
[00:03:41]  It's got it.
[00:03:41]  It's such a dumb thing.
[00:03:42]  But it's not we can't include LA.
[00:03:46]  No, dude.
[00:03:46]  LA, all right, if this is really going to be futuristic, LA has to be part of a new Azit land.
[00:03:52]  Oh, I like that.
[00:03:53]  That's cool.
[00:03:54]  Uh-huh.
[00:03:55]  Okay.
[00:03:55]  I think that is.
[00:03:57]  Because that's going to be the future, is that it's going to be just like a federation of these kind of like compounded city-state like groupings.
[00:04:08]  And you'll have the like, you know, Acela land will be one of them.
[00:04:13]  What's Acela land?
[00:04:15]  The Northeast Corridor.
[00:04:16]  Oh, yeah.
[00:04:19]  You know, and all these different kind of formations.
[00:04:22]  Boston is sort of illiterate Singapore.
[00:04:26]  I mean, New England should just be a state.
[00:04:29]  I actually was saying this the other day to somebody that I 100% really actually do believe that New England should be a state.
[00:04:38]  First of all, everyone calls it New England.
[00:04:40]  So it's like, hey, just be one place.
[00:04:43]  Yeah, exactly.
[00:04:44]  I mean, Jonathan, after the day after Jonathan Richmond wrote that song, New England, and everyone was like, holy shit, we should call it this.
[00:04:50]  It was like, that was set and sewn.
[00:04:52]  They have to just, they have to, not only federate, they just have to completely assimilate.
[00:04:56]  Because here's the thing.
[00:04:58]  No one will tell you this except for Truanon.
[00:05:00]  There is literally zero difference between the cities of Boston and New York.
[00:05:04]  That's not true.
[00:05:06]  I mean, yeah, yeah, it is.
[00:05:08]  They just have different white minorities.
[00:05:10]  Okay.
[00:05:11]  New York has the Poles and Boston, of course, famous for their Greek population.
[00:05:16]  I was going to say the Irish.
[00:05:18]  Oh, no, they're not white.
[00:05:22]  But it should just be one different city.
[00:05:25]  Because the excerpts will meet someday anyways.
[00:05:28]  You might as well just accelerate that process.
[00:05:30]  We should bring back New Amsterdam.
[00:05:32]  That was fun.
[00:05:33]  Oh, that was New York, right?
[00:05:34]  It was a Dutch.
[00:05:35]  Yeah, but we should just call it that.
[00:05:37]  That's why skills is in all those New York words.
[00:05:40]  Apparently that's a Dutch term.
[00:05:44]  I don't care for the Dutch.
[00:05:46]  Can I say that?
[00:05:48]  Well, let me check the chartable listings for Truanon.
[00:05:51]  It looks like we are 196th in, which one's Dutch?
[00:05:55]  Holland for news?
[00:05:58]  Which one's Dutch?
[00:05:59]  Which one's well?
[00:06:00]  The thing is with the Dutch.
[00:06:01]  Hear me out on the Dutch, baby.
[00:06:03]  I'm sorry.
[00:06:04]  I'm American.
[00:06:05]  You call me an American.
[00:06:06]  I live in America.
[00:06:08]  A Dutchman lives in Holland.
[00:06:11]  Or what's the other word for it?
[00:06:14]  There's another word for it, right?
[00:06:16]  I want you to figure it out.
[00:06:17]  I fucking can't.
[00:06:20]  Literally, my brain is telling me to call it New England.
[00:06:50]  Hey, whoa, totally, just totally out of breath.
[00:06:53]  I ran here.
[00:06:55]  Did you?

=== Sold Dead Secrets (15:47) ===

[00:06:56]  Yeah.
[00:06:57]  From there.
[00:06:58]  Oh, well, it's I don't want to talk about that.
[00:07:02]  You don't want to know.
[00:07:04]  You don't want to know.
[00:07:07]  How are you doing, Liz?
[00:07:09]  It's so creepy and weird.
[00:07:11]  How are you doing?
[00:07:12]  Boy, am I sweaty?
[00:07:13]  Ooh.
[00:07:14]  It's so nice to see your face.
[00:07:16]  I'm fine.
[00:07:17]  Yeah, you look totally normal.
[00:07:20]  I can't see your face at all.
[00:07:22]  For those of you who can't see this exclusive live stream we're doing for $95 Pastry on Pastry on.
[00:07:30]  Yeah, it's I make them apple turnover.
[00:07:32]  I love an apple turnover.
[00:07:34]  I really do.
[00:07:35]  But it's a $95 rank that we have for, we call them super subscribers, where we both send you two pastries a month, one poisoned, one delicious.
[00:07:45]  And we live stream the little G chat that we use to record these things.
[00:07:51]  What you can't see is that my face is inches away from the microphone, which means one eye is visible in the bottom left corner of the screen.
[00:07:59]  I hate it.
[00:07:59]  It's like not, I can't even see the one eye because the little tiny windows of my face, you know, producer's face are in front of your eye.
[00:08:07]  You want to see something you really want to like?
[00:08:09]  No.
[00:08:12]  Guys like that?
[00:08:13]  No, Brie just took off his shirt.
[00:08:15]  I'm ready.
[00:08:16]  Oh, I'm sorry.
[00:08:18]  Are we not going Jones mode?
[00:08:20]  What's Jones mode?
[00:08:21]  You know what it is.
[00:08:22]  I have been, whatever the protein powder equivalent of baked is, that's what I'm at.
[00:08:30]  What is that?
[00:08:31]  Well, protein powder is a powder.
[00:08:33]  No, I know what that is.
[00:08:34]  What's...
[00:08:34]  What do you mean, baked?
[00:08:36]  Baked is when you smoke weed.
[00:08:37]  Oh.
[00:08:38]  So I am high basically off of that in herbal supplements.
[00:08:43]  I am on.
[00:08:44]  I am, you know, when guys would go into like little Chinatown downstairs and smoke an opium pipe and dream of their past and maybe the future?
[00:08:53]  I'm doing that off of fish oil.
[00:08:58]  I don't think that's good for you.
[00:09:00]  That's supposed to be good for me.
[00:09:01]  It's supposed to get me high.
[00:09:02]  That's the point.
[00:09:03]  All right, all right, all right, all right.
[00:09:06]  Welcome to Tronon.
[00:09:09]  My name is Liz.
[00:09:10]  My name is Brace Belden.
[00:09:12]  I'll give it to you straight.
[00:09:13]  We are joined by producer Hyung Chomsky.
[00:09:17]  And we got a bit of a throwback.
[00:09:19]  What is this, a TBT throwback?
[00:09:22]  Tuesday.
[00:09:23]  So you guys remember that we started this podcast to give you a left-wing take on culture, politics, and the intersection of technology and movies.
[00:09:34]  The intersection of technology and art and gender.
[00:09:39]  We used to have, of course, third Mike Roxanne Gay.
[00:09:42]  She has since passed on to the Being Dead.
[00:09:47]  But we're still rocking with you.
[00:09:50]  Yeah, we used to be an Epstein podcast.
[00:09:52]  We still are an Epstein podcast.
[00:09:54]  Epstein Extended Universe.
[00:09:56]  And here's the thing.
[00:09:57]  Turns out there's a lot of people in the Epstein extended universe.
[00:10:02]  We're all living in the Epstein Extended Universe, baby.
[00:10:07]  I think a lot of people remember when a door opened back then, but I don't think they fully understand that we walked through that door.
[00:10:14]  And that door never closed.
[00:10:15]  That door never closed.
[00:10:16]  Although, technically, I mean, maybe it did.
[00:10:19]  We can't go back.
[00:10:20]  Well, whatever.
[00:10:22]  Anyway, today we need to revisit some things.
[00:10:27]  Mm-hmm.
[00:10:28]  Because we've got some loose ends.
[00:10:32]  Oh, yeah.
[00:10:32]  If there is anything, listen, if there is anything about the Jeffrey Epstein case that people think of, it's the fact that there are a lot of loose ends, namely the death of Mr. Jeffrey Epstein himself.
[00:10:48]  Well, yeah, that would be the big one.
[00:10:51]  But, you know, all around this case, there's basically, we're getting, we get so many messages that are like, hey, what's up with this?
[00:10:59]  Hey, remember that?
[00:11:00]  Hey, what happened with this?
[00:11:04]  And it's like, yeah, I know.
[00:11:06]  We don't know.
[00:11:07]  So today, we're going to talk about all the who, what, where, when, why don't we know anything about the stuff that we're going to talk about today?
[00:11:17]  So I think we should begin with a little bit of a classic radio style.
[00:11:23]  I think it's actually TV, but you know, it was counting.
[00:11:26]  Where are they now?
[00:11:28]  Like VH1.
[00:11:30]  Yes, like VH1.
[00:11:32]  Remember?
[00:11:34]  Baby, while you were watching VH1, I was at the mind gym lifting books.
[00:11:41]  All right.
[00:11:41]  Well, where are they now?
[00:11:43]  Who are we talking about?
[00:11:44]  Jeffrey Epstein.
[00:11:47]  Jeffrey Epstein.
[00:11:48]  He is still dead.
[00:11:50]  Okay, well, maybe.
[00:11:51]  That may be.
[00:11:52]  Okay, I will say last night I was watching a hot YouTube sensation movie.
[00:12:01]  Will she be brave enough to say the name?
[00:12:03]  Okay.
[00:12:04]  Called Out of the Out of Shadows, Out of the Shadows.
[00:12:08]  And it's a little bit of intro-level, I would say, surveillable stuff, kind of about media manipulation and the CIA and gets into satanic pedophile rings and Pizzagate, you know, entry-level stuff.
[00:12:27]  But it's really excellent.
[00:12:29]  And one of the people, it is new.
[00:12:31]  It's like, came out last week.
[00:12:32]  It's free on YouTube.
[00:12:34]  And one of the people that they were interviewing about Pizzagate, like so smooth, was just like, and Jeffrey Epstein, who is allegedly dead, will, and I was like, hello, my people.
[00:12:48]  Because, you know, maybe he's not.
[00:12:51]  Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:12:52]  I mean, it's, it's, again, of course, there was the, there was the theory that his body was switched out with one Tony Rodham.
[00:13:02]  But, you know, I got to say, I'm sold on him being dead, but also I'm not sold on being, that dead being permanent.
[00:13:10]  Oh, interesting.
[00:13:12]  I'm sold on him being dead, but also maybe I'm not.
[00:13:17]  You can get a refund on that sale pretty easy.
[00:13:19]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:13:20]  That's what I'm thinking.
[00:13:22]  So next up, we have, so this is a guy.
[00:13:27]  Leslie Wexner?
[00:13:33]  Yes, Leslie Wexner.
[00:13:35]  That is a guy named Leslie.
[00:13:37]  So I got to stop doing this bit.
[00:13:39]  I know.
[00:13:39]  Leslie's a cool name, guys.
[00:13:40]  I'm sorry.
[00:13:41]  This bit isn't even funny.
[00:13:42]  Leslie's a great name.
[00:13:43]  Also, you know the ins and outs of all these people.
[00:13:45]  You're actually like, you never know.
[00:13:46]  I'm Leslie Wexner.
[00:13:47]  I know.
[00:13:48]  I just can't.
[00:13:49]  It's a reflex.
[00:13:50]  Every time I see the name Leslie, I have to pretend I think it's a woman.
[00:13:53]  That's like, yeah, it's like Naked Gun Bit or something.
[00:13:57]  Beloved movie.
[00:13:59]  Leslie Wexner's recently retired from Victoria's Secret.
[00:14:02]  Yes, yeah.
[00:14:03]  We covered that on the show.
[00:14:04]  So he was, by retired, we mean ousted.
[00:14:08]  Bye-bye.
[00:14:08]  Yeah, he got the big cow from the investors.
[00:14:14]  And yeah, we're going to get into a little funny news about him later in the episode.
[00:14:19]  But so yeah, he's out at Victoria's Secret, but still very much alive.
[00:14:25]  So we got next Jean-Luc Brunel.
[00:14:32]  Many people remember him as a long-time rapist and Epstein confidant affiliate.
[00:14:40]  He ran the MC2 talents agency, you might call it.
[00:14:46]  But those of us with a more scientific mind would call it a human trafficking operation at the behest of Jeffrey Epstein.
[00:14:55]  He hit the bricks last year as well, and nobody knows where he is.
[00:15:00]  The only rumors that are out there are that he is in Brazil, which means that he, well, it's a long story with that.
[00:15:10]  If you listen to our episode about him, you know, he has a lot of contacts specifically with human traffickers in Brazil.
[00:15:16]  So he could be there, but he could also be in any of the other numerous places that these guys.
[00:15:21]  How do these guys have so much money?
[00:15:23]  I mean...
[00:15:24]  Just kidding.
[00:15:25]  I know.
[00:15:25]  Leslie Wexter.
[00:15:28]  So the next and final person, of course, is Gillay Maxwell.
[00:15:37]  So poor Ghillaine.
[00:15:40]  She's had such a rough time of it.
[00:15:41]  I mean, like I said, the last time we saw her was in Monaco in, I believe, June of 2019, looking like dog shit.
[00:15:52]  No, she's not looking great.
[00:15:54]  Horrible looking person.
[00:15:57]  And ever since then, she has she flew the coop, as they say.
[00:16:02]  No, she's on the lamb.
[00:16:05]  Yeah, still missing.
[00:16:06]  No news there, which shouldn't come as any surprise to our dear listeners.
[00:16:12]  Yeah.
[00:16:13]  So for me, Liz, the biggest thing that I think about quite a lot is the CDRs, which means rewritable CD-ROM, I assume.
[00:16:30]  By your laughter, I take it as that not being true.
[00:16:33]  That were found in the safe in Jeffrey Epstein's Manhattan Townhouse.
[00:16:37]  Yeah, so we basically, like, we want to bring up a bunch of stuff that has been basically overlooked by the lamestream media.
[00:16:48]  And this, I agree, is kind of numero uno because this was mentioned once or twice in the papers back when Jeffrey was arrested, pre-death, alleged death, supposed death.
[00:17:04]  And was just literally, I mean, there were tons of articles and investigations by, again, Valen news media, like numerous ones that just never mentioned any of this again.
[00:17:20]  Yeah, in fact, it's rather difficult to find if any of this was mentioned again.
[00:17:27]  So during July 2019, during a search of Jeffrey Epstein's house, investigators found a quote-unquote locked safe containing cash, classic, diamonds, another rich guy thing.
[00:17:39]  They're like little rocks that are expensive, and an expired passport.
[00:17:44]  Now, this is not all they found, but this is the expired passport was really what was harped on by the Lion News media.
[00:17:52]  They sort of took that as the most important thing out of here.
[00:17:55]  It was a passport from a foreign country, which I think they tracked down to be Austria, and listed his country, Epstein's country of residence as Saudi Arabia.
[00:18:04]  And remember, this is from the 80s.
[00:18:06]  It was actually illegal, I believe, for Jews to enter Saudi Arabia at that time.
[00:18:10]  Although now, of course, Israel has a burgeoning alliance with them.
[00:18:15]  And he says that he had it in order to prevent him from getting in trouble during hijackings.
[00:18:24]  So if Leila Khaled entered a plane, she would not shoot Jeffrey Epstein.
[00:18:28]  I believe in her infinite wisdom, she would tell that there was something fishy going on there and give him a pop from her scorpion submachine gun.
[00:18:38]  But that's not all they found in the safe, is it, Liz?
[00:18:41]  No, no, you mentioned the CDs, and I think that's the key here is, you know, and again, we've mentioned this multiple times, but just to reiterate, so CDs with labels that said young, presumably girl name, plus other name, or miscellaneous nudes one, girl pics nudes.
[00:19:03]  And allegedly, the feds have all of this.
[00:19:08]  All of it.
[00:19:08]  And we've never heard about it ever again.
[00:19:10]  So this should be, I mean, take, take a, you know, think about this for a second.
[00:19:15]  The feds have DVDs, presumably.
[00:19:19]  So, I mean, one thing listeners of the show should know is that every single one of Jeffrey Epstein's house and numerous witnesses, basically every witness who has attested to anything has attested to this.
[00:19:30]  All of his houses were wired top to bottom, every room with security cameras.
[00:19:34]  And in fact, he had something like a command center in at least one of his homes, likely all of them.
[00:19:38]  Speaking of Leslie Wexner, he's also a, he, he, well, Jeffrey Epstein also functioned as basically a security consultant for other rich guys who wanted, for some reason, every home in their house wired with cameras.
[00:19:49]  So take that in mind.
[00:19:50]  But Jeffrey Epstein, I mean, his whole thing is that he filmed people having sex with young girls.
[00:19:58]  And he filmed himself having sex with young girls.
[00:20:00]  And he just, he had, I mean, as, you know, there's walkthrough video of his Florida home.
[00:20:08]  His walls were covered in pictures of young girls and one of Ghelane Topless.
[00:20:13]  Gross.
[00:20:14]  All that's actually insanely gross.
[00:20:18]  But this is, I mean, this sounds to me like blackmail.
[00:20:21]  Yeah, and I think it's interesting that now just the feds took it back, which actually, I think, you know, if Jeffrey was working for or alongside the CIA, it'd be kind of funny for the feds to then just like swoop in and take all the stuff the CIA wanted.
[00:20:38]  Yeah, yeah, just well, I guarantee that there is some fucking Mulder and Scully schmuck in the FBI offices in, I'm assuming, Quantico.
[00:20:47]  That sounds like somewhere where they do this, whose job is to day in, day out, dressed for some reason as a coal miner, to break each and every one of these DVDs over his knee.
[00:20:59]  Not Mulder and Scully.
[00:21:00]  That's you and me, baby.
[00:21:01]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:21:02]  Well, yeah, yeah, true.
[00:21:04]  Fair enough.
[00:21:04]  Was there a bad guy in that?
[00:21:06]  I can't really recall.
[00:21:08]  Probably.
[00:21:09]  Yeah, the boss guy.
[00:21:10]  He sucked.
[00:21:11]  It's his job to do that.
[00:21:13]  So, I mean, these DVDs are out there, and this is basically never come up again.
[00:21:19]  No, I don't, no one has ever mentioned this again.
[00:21:22]  It seems to be completely erased from the mainstream media's memory.
[00:21:27]  There's one other thing that I wanted to mention too that has also been erased from the mainstream media.
[00:21:34]  This is not in our notes, but I think you and I both know plenty about this, is the fact that Jeffrey Epstein's basically emergence into the world when he was hired at the Dalton School came via the father of current Attorney General William Barr.
[00:21:51]  Now, that has always seemed to me whenever, like, whenever my brain is trying to tell me to be lazy and be like, you know what, maybe it's not all that crazy.
[00:22:02]  Maybe it's what it looks like.
[00:22:03]  Maybe this guy was just horny and a freak.
[00:22:05]  It comes back to the fact that when Jeffrey Epstein was in his early 20s, no college degree, and in fact, dropped out twice, he was driving a cab in New York City.
[00:22:17]  He was hired to teach math and physics at the prestigious Dalton School.
[00:22:22]  I mean, by Donald Barr.
[00:22:28]  The current Attorney General's father.
[00:22:31]  Who, by the way, was in a prior life before becoming headmaster, which is, by the way, very Chomo name, of is Chomo okay to say?

=== Donald Barr's Hidden Web (06:47) ===

[00:22:43]  I don't know.
[00:22:45]  Sure, whatever.
[00:22:46]  Yeah, that sounds fine.
[00:22:47]  I was like, that sounds weird.
[00:22:51]  He was an OSS agent.
[00:22:52]  So, okay, so the guy who hired Jeffrey after he dropped out of college was an ex-OSS agent, which, by the way, the OSS, again, the precursor to the CIA, whose son is now the current attorney general who's in charge of the investigation into Jeffrey Epstein's murder.
[00:23:15]  And the few times that I've ever seen interviews or even articles about William Barr's investigation into Epstein's death, which, by the way, if you think that is still ongoing, you are, I got a bridge in Brooklyn that Donald Barr and Jeffrey Epstein used to walk over together to sell you.
[00:23:34]  It's astounding that never once has that he actually ever been pressed on this issue.
[00:23:41]  No, never once.
[00:23:42]  Also, I, you know, I will say, I feel like there's only been one or two interviews with him.
[00:23:48]  Like, he hasn't done a lot of press.
[00:23:50]  Have you noticed that?
[00:23:51]  Yeah, and most of them has basically, I mean, just in general?
[00:23:55]  Yeah.
[00:23:55]  I mean, you really don't see any like, I feel like there was one sit-down interview that was specifically about Epstein.
[00:24:02]  Yeah.
[00:24:03]  I think it wasn't 60 minutes, but it was something like that.
[00:24:07]  40 minutes.
[00:24:10]  And then there was like a couple other TV appearances he's done, but he's really not in front of the camera very much.
[00:24:16]  No, and the last interview I can find with him on this, although I haven't checked in a couple weeks, is with, I believe the AP, they questioned him on a plane, I think, going to Montana about the missing videotapes.
[00:24:29]  And he had said, remember the confusion around the tape, the lack of videotapes from the MCC surrounding Jeffrey Epstein's death.
[00:24:39]  They did find the videotape of his so-called attempted suicide.
[00:24:43]  They still do not have the videotape of his actual death.
[00:24:49]  The interview basically solely focused on that and essentially regurgitated what he said uncritically.
[00:24:55]  Yeah.
[00:24:55]  I mean, so it's been a real, you know, I know that, look, you and I, Bruce and I, are not, you know, big fans of journalists or of the media.
[00:25:11]  But it's kind of incredible that there really has been no questions about any of this or anything on this case whatsoever.
[00:25:21]  I mean, yeah, it's astounding.
[00:25:23]  It feels like a complete and total, like sometimes I feel like I'm going crazy because literally there is no, there is not a single, there's Julie Kay Brown, of course, and there are a couple other court reporters that have been following the developments in the, you know, Southern District of New York and the case that is going on there, mostly to do with trying to unseal records along with the, for the victims, right?
[00:25:48]  And claims towards his estate.
[00:25:52]  But there has been absolutely no coverage, no other journalists pressing any Trump officials who all have intimate connections to the case.
[00:26:03]  Because a lot is made of Trump's connection to Jeffrey Epstein, which, by the way, I mean, especially according to this new book that just came out, were substantial.
[00:26:13]  But they're less, in a way, meaningful than like the connection that Bill Barr has.
[00:26:19]  Because Bill Barr's father, I mean, there's been absolutely zero explanation as to why, again, unprecedented, a two-time college dropout was hired to work at the Dalton School, where, by the way, friend of the pod, Matthew Oglesius, went, $40,000 a year high school.
[00:26:37]  Good luck with that one, buddy.
[00:26:39]  Not even that he was hired, but literally that his son is now in charge of the investigation.
[00:26:45]  I mean, that, like, you know, I've been reading, you know, I've been getting it kind of out there, baby.
[00:26:51]  I've been reading about meaningful coincidences and what they mean and if there is meaning and what like a coincidence even is.
[00:27:02]  And I...
[00:27:03]  Oh, I want to hear more.
[00:27:05]  Well, I've been...
[00:27:05]  I've been like, it's difficult because, you know, I don't have, you know, I'm not a college boy.
[00:27:14]  I don't have a lot of the theoretical understanding to talk about this stuff.
[00:27:17]  But there's something there.
[00:27:20]  And sometimes when you see something and like you know, like you know that there's something there.
[00:27:27]  Like there's something in the collective unconscious.
[00:27:30]  Like there's some deeper layer there that like, and there's, I don't really know how to explain it good enough.
[00:27:37]  I'm going to have to like do more study on this.
[00:27:40]  But like there's like another, there's an atom or something there that is missing that we can't see that is like connecting these things.
[00:27:49]  There's like a hidden, I guess, web, a spiritual web connecting Donald Barr, bringing Jeffrey Epstein basically into his life as Jeffrey Epstein, you know, with a capital J, you know, birthing this man into the world.
[00:28:04]  Because as we know, he went from Dalton to Bear Stearns to blah, blah, blah.
[00:28:09]  And then we have his son, William Barr, capping that life off.
[00:28:15]  There's a loop there.
[00:28:16]  And in that loop is Jeffrey Epstein's entire life.
[00:28:19]  So he's flanked by these two men.
[00:28:21]  And that's like an order.
[00:28:24]  That is the, I think it's called, I think it, and any Jungians out there, correct me.
[00:28:30]  I think it's called an acausal connecting principle.
[00:28:35]  And it's, it's, it's, it's, according to those I've read, it is Attack on Newton, which is fine with me.
[00:28:42]  We are an anti-Newtonian podcast.
[00:28:45]  We are purely into metaphysics.
[00:28:47]  No one can prove that physics are real anyway, so what's the point?
[00:28:51]  But there's something there.
[00:28:52]  And I'm looking at those sort of twin towers of pedophilia.
[00:28:57]  You know, the Barr father and son.
[00:29:00]  And I am, I've got the extreme beam on them.
[00:29:04]  I am looking and I'm looking hard.
[00:29:06]  And I will figure this out.
[00:29:07]  I need to do more spiritual study to conduct prayer war against them.

=== Ohio State's Athletic Program Mystery (06:39) ===

[00:29:31]  Is it a boom without end?
[00:29:34]  Flying high.
[00:29:38]  Clear whether it's sustainable.
[00:29:45]  W-w-w-w-w- What do we got next?
[00:29:47]  What do we got?
[00:29:47]  I got to snap out of it.
[00:29:51]  I got into what you might call a heavenly funk there.
[00:29:56]  I liked it.
[00:29:57]  I thought it was nice.
[00:29:59]  Well, we, you know, we mentioned Les Wexner.
[00:30:02]  He's out at Victoria's Secret.
[00:30:04]  But, you know, and we've talked about how Les Wexner is basically, he basically created a town.
[00:30:11]  Yeah.
[00:30:12]  Right.
[00:30:12]  New Albany.
[00:30:13]  I liked Old Albany.
[00:30:14]  Actually, Albany, maybe some listeners are from there.
[00:30:18]  Albany is okay.
[00:30:21]  Okay.
[00:30:22]  Okay.
[00:30:22]  New Albany, Ohio, which is basically just one large property that Les Wexner owns, right?
[00:30:29]  It's right by Columbus, which is home of Ohio State University, right?
[00:30:35]  It's a big, big state university.
[00:30:37]  In fact, it has one of the best athletic program in the country.
[00:30:43]  Well, OSU recently did an investigation, much like MIT and Harvard did previously, looking into possible donations that Jeffrey Epstein had given Ohio State.
[00:30:57]  Now, why would Jeffrey Epstein give money to Ohio State?
[00:31:00]  That seems like a random school.
[00:31:01]  It has nothing to do with MIT.
[00:31:03]  It has nothing to do with Harvard or science or all of those things.
[00:31:07]  The sweat schools he liked.
[00:31:10]  Yeah.
[00:31:12]  Well, that's why I bring up Wexner, because Wexner is also a big donor at OSU.
[00:31:20]  And in fact, has been a very robust donor for decades of the famous athletic department.
[00:31:28]  So I think there's more to this story.
[00:31:30]  OSU released its investigation, I think, last week, two weeks ago, which by the way is like way later than any university or any company did.
[00:31:41]  They like really took their time.
[00:31:44]  And, you know, there's part of me that was like, oh, you released this during a pandemic or it would have been completed after March Madness after people were not looking at college, college news, whatever.
[00:31:58]  But they said they received $336,000 in donations.
[00:32:04]  You know, it's actually, I don't think it's not.
[00:32:07]  It is.
[00:32:07]  Oh.
[00:32:08]  $33,600,000 in donations from the late financier and convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein, including a 1990 gift of the Wexner Center's membership fund that was disclosed in July.
[00:32:26]  July of 2017.
[00:32:27]  There are, by the way, a lot of Wexner centers around the country.
[00:32:31]  Yeah, so I guess my point about OSU is I've got some questions because Wexner and Epstein have been involved since the 80s.
[00:32:44]  Yep.
[00:32:44]  Right?
[00:32:45]  Wexner has been, I would say, intimately involved in the Ohio State athletic program for a very long time.
[00:32:55]  Strong choice of word there.
[00:32:58]  Yeah.
[00:32:59]  I'm allegedly intimately.
[00:33:03]  And, you know, I think there's more to this story.
[00:33:08]  Yeah.
[00:33:10]  There have been rumors about Leslie Wexner's alleged, capital A, alleged, let's say, predilections towards younger men.
[00:33:20]  And allegedly, including Jeffrey Epstein himself.
[00:33:25]  And I would say, just judging by certainly how many scandals have emerged out of college athletics programs in the past few years, that would certainly be something to look into, especially in relationship to his money.
[00:33:39]  Because if we know anything, it's that college athletics programs are willing to overlook quite a lot if the money keeps flowing in.
[00:33:46]  Well, I am particularly, I mean, we have to then mention there was a huge scandal at Ohio State University with Dr. Richard Strauss.
[00:33:55]  I mean, he was employed in the athletic department.
[00:34:00]  I mean, oh my God, 25, 20 years.
[00:34:05]  And there was that huge investigation last year that said that he abused like, I mean, I want to say it was like 175 students that, I mean, came forward.
[00:34:18]  So, and, you know, from my understanding and people I've talked to and none of this, you know, again, allered people that I've talked to, is that there's a lot more here.
[00:34:30]  And so I have some questions about money and influence and what's going on at Ohio State University.
[00:34:39]  Because again, and this is just one thing I'll say, because, you know, I'm a big sports person, so I know these things.
[00:34:46]  Although this doesn't take a smart, you know, big sports person to know.
[00:34:49]  But, you know, again, Ohio State University has one of the top athletic programs in the country, and that requires a lot of money.
[00:34:57]  And there's a lot of money to be made in college athletic programs, right?
[00:35:03]  College football, college basketball.
[00:35:05]  These are massive, massive programs that bring in millions and millions of dollars a year.
[00:35:12]  Except for, of course, the players.
[00:35:14]  Well, of course not.
[00:35:15]  Not them.
[00:35:15]  That's how they make the money.
[00:35:17]  Yeah.
[00:35:18]  But no, so, you know, there's incentives here to, like I said, do bullshit disclosures about, oh, it's just a couple donations.
[00:35:28]  Or, you know, how much money of Epstein's was laundered through Wexner to keep it off of Epstein.
[00:35:34]  So it didn't show up in this investigation.
[00:35:37]  And how much is it aiding an athletic department that already had a massive sex abuse scandal?
[00:35:44]  I don't know.
[00:35:45]  These are my questions.
[00:35:46]  Where is the lamestream media?
[00:35:49]  I'm sure we got plenty of rowdy frat boy college listeners at Ohio State University.
[00:35:56]  I need you all to become football players and get to the bottom of this.
[00:36:00]  No, don't, because I worry about your health.
[00:36:02]  Actually, you know what?
[00:36:03]  I do not want you to become football players.
[00:36:06]  I want you to become...
[00:36:08]  No smash-ums.
[00:36:09]  Yes.

=== Industrial Shredder Mystery (08:05) ===

[00:36:10]  And I can't say what I was about to say next.
[00:36:13]  I will text it to you guys afterwards, but it was very funny.
[00:36:16]  It's just, it would be inappropriate.
[00:36:18]  It's not a sex thing.
[00:36:22]  Amazon.com.
[00:36:27]  Revenues, revenues, with revenue.
[00:36:32]  Amazon.com.
[00:36:37]  Revenues, revenues, with revenue.
[00:36:42]  Amazon.com.
[00:36:47]  Revenues, revenues, with revenue.
[00:36:49]  Ooh, longer work week.
[00:36:52]  Amazon.com.
[00:36:57]  Revenues, revenues.
[00:36:59]  So we have something coming up right now that is not by any means a loose end, but it is one of those strange little details of this case that I come back to every so often and just reread a story about because I cannot believe it's real because it's fairly strange.
[00:37:19]  In the Virgin Islands, in fact, right next to Jeffrey Epstein's Little St. James, is a boat.
[00:37:28]  And it is a boat that's pretty unique, certainly in the Virgin Islands, possibly in the world.
[00:37:32]  It is a boat that sells pizza.
[00:37:39]  Started by Tara and Sasha Bowie, and their fucking name is Bowie.
[00:37:43]  Get the fuck out of here.
[00:37:45]  This is so weird.
[00:37:46]  This is the kind of stuff where I'm like, man, I don't even, this feels like a QAnon.
[00:37:53]  Well, check this out.
[00:37:54]  This is from Bloomberg.
[00:37:55]  It was just another whimsical turn.
[00:37:57]  First of all, lame.
[00:37:59]  If dude, if my wife and I were described as whimsical, if I was Tara and Sasha Bowie, by the way, literally don't know which one's which.
[00:38:06]  I'm just kidding.
[00:38:06]  Sasha's the dude.
[00:38:09]  If I was like, if my career path was described as whimsical, I would put a 38 special right through my fucking forehead.
[00:38:16]  Just 10 years ago, Sasha, now 38, was an MIT graduate, toiling away in a cubicle at Standard and Poor's, where he worked as a computer programmer for five years.
[00:38:27]  Blah, blah, blah.
[00:38:28]  I don't give a fuck about the rest of the video.
[00:38:29]  So he was an MIT graduate working on Wall Street.
[00:38:33]  Mm-hmm.
[00:38:34]  And he and his wife decide to go work on charter boats.
[00:38:38]  Actually, can't really fault them for that because, for God's sake, Standard and Poor's.
[00:38:44]  The couple began scouting out boats, and on the island of Tortola, they chanced upon a 37-foot sailing slash motorboat called Pagan.
[00:38:55]  And a pizza restaurant was born.
[00:38:58]  They were selling pizza.
[00:39:00]  They still appear to be around.
[00:39:02]  You can find their Shopify.
[00:39:03]  It's called Pizza Pie.
[00:39:05]  Pie, like the, what is it, a number?
[00:39:09]  Yeah, I hate that shit, man.
[00:39:11]  There's a place in San Francisco called that's like Pie Bar.
[00:39:13]  but it's like the sign and it's like guys fucking nerds every every every There's like five pizza places in San Francisco that all look like the inside of a gaming PC.
[00:39:24]  Yeah.
[00:39:25]  Horrible.
[00:39:26]  But okay, this is like, this is the stuff that really does feel like QAnon or like doesn't, or feels like a fake, like, okay, I can see how QAnon is real because this is real.
[00:39:37]  Because you're like, how is there a pizza boat next to the sex trafficking island?
[00:39:44]  I'm telling you, it's the cosmic unconsciousness.
[00:39:48]  Like, it is little.
[00:39:51]  It's the possible web.
[00:39:52]  It's the only thing that makes sense.
[00:39:54]  I am literally using Carl Jung to solve Jeffrey Epstein.
[00:39:59]  I think that's the right method.
[00:40:01]  I have to go to an eight-year college course to figure this out.
[00:40:05]  I don't think that's true.
[00:40:06]  I think you could be self-taught.
[00:40:07]  Yeah, I'm just, it's difficult, you know.
[00:40:10]  But yeah, this is one of those things that's like, it haunts me.
[00:40:14]  Not in any way that like I think that like, I don't think that they had children in the motorboat, although, you know, never rule anything out, allegedly.
[00:40:21]  But it's like, it just drives me fucking crazy to think about.
[00:40:27]  Also, the pizza doesn't look that great.
[00:40:30]  Yeah, it doesn't look like they really cared about.
[00:40:32]  But also, okay, here's my other thing.
[00:40:35]  Who's ordering pizza when you're in the water?
[00:40:38]  Well, they started the restaurant because one night they were too tired to row to shore.
[00:40:43]  And so they and they didn't have any food.
[00:40:45]  So this is, I'll tell you what, though, they have the names of their pizza, the Cubano, never, oh, that's a sandwich.
[00:40:53]  No, that's a pizza.
[00:40:54]  Actually, I really can't tell.
[00:40:56]  They have chicken on the pizza.
[00:40:57]  And let me tell you, chicken on a pizza is a fucking crime.
[00:41:00]  Yeah, that's a perversion.
[00:41:02]  Horrible, horrible.
[00:41:03]  That's probably worse than anything we've talked about.
[00:41:06]  Yeah.
[00:41:07]  This is like weird little detail.
[00:41:09]  Yeah.
[00:41:10]  Wait, this is another very weird detail that I think about a lot.
[00:41:16]  There's a 53-pound shredder that Jeffrey Epstein not only bought, but then tried to ship to the Virgin Islands.
[00:41:27]  This was, by the way, literally like a week and a half after he signed the plea deal.
[00:41:34]  Like with Acosta in 2007.
[00:41:37]  By the way, by shredder, meaning like a paper shredder.
[00:41:41]  Yes.
[00:41:41]  But 53 pounds.
[00:41:43]  53 pounds.
[00:41:45]  How big is the shredder?
[00:41:48]  Well, 53 pounds, probably as big as, I shouldn't say that.
[00:41:54]  I mean, okay, I know you're going to make a joke, but I'm being serious.
[00:41:57]  Like, that's such a big shredder.
[00:41:59]  It's a big fucking shredder.
[00:42:01]  What are you shredding?
[00:42:03]  How much are you shredding?
[00:42:04]  I mean, I have worked with industrial shredders one time in my life because, you know, I'm paperless, baby.
[00:42:12]  But that seems like it could shred more than just paper.
[00:42:17]  Oh, you mean like a Carol Baskin situation?
[00:42:20]  I don't necessarily, I think with that, they would probably weight people down and put them in the water.
[00:42:24]  Yeah, I don't think that that's just wanted to make that reference.
[00:42:28]  Yes, yeah.
[00:42:29]  Classic little reference.
[00:42:33]  But I do think that possibly computer parts.
[00:42:37]  Because there was a subpoena issued for his computer in 2007 or for his computers in 2007.
[00:42:44]  And that was never carried out.
[00:42:46]  Oh, like they're going to put the mainframe in there.
[00:42:48]  Exactly.
[00:42:49]  They are shredding the main frame.
[00:42:51]  Wait, so question, because you said that you worked with a industrial shredder.
[00:42:57]  What's that like?
[00:42:58]  So those are big boys.
[00:43:00]  It fucking rocked.
[00:43:02]  I'll be honest with you.
[00:43:04]  It was, in a word, thrilling.
[00:43:05]  But like, so you could just take any motherfucking thing in there and it would be.
[00:43:11]  I mean, not anything, but like, yeah, you can shred.
[00:43:14]  Like, we were just shredding like giant reams of paper.
[00:43:20]  But yeah, I mean, you could easily shred CD, anything, like computer parts, whatever.
[00:43:26]  If you wanted something just like destroyed to not be put back together again, that's the way to do it.
[00:43:31]  Damn.
[00:43:32]  Shredding.
[00:43:33]  He also sent out, I believe it was a tile extractor that weighed 190 pounds.
[00:43:40]  Oh, yeah.
[00:43:41]  That was very scary.
[00:43:44]  There's an ominous vibe to it.
[00:43:46]  Yeah, so that was basically like industrial cleaning tile scrubber.
[00:43:53]  Yeah.
[00:43:54]  So but it was like uh how big was it that you said 193 pounds.
[00:43:59]  Okay, so that's like excuse me 191.
[00:44:03]  What are you getting out of the tile?
[00:44:07]  He's a grap man.
[00:44:09]  He's uh he's doing he decided to join IBEW and he's doing electricity remotely.
[00:44:14]  Shredder and a grouter.

=== Farc's Fire Hazard (15:42) ===

[00:44:16]  Yeah, exactly.
[00:44:16]  So he's you know, he's working on the wiring end of the house.
[00:44:19]  No, I mean that that one was I was like, there might be some bones.
[00:44:25]  Wait, so what's it for?
[00:44:27]  Well, it's for cleaning and that means a pretty deep clean.
[00:44:31]  Yeah.
[00:44:33]  So what he wants.
[00:44:34]  What kind of stains was he trying to get out?
[00:44:36]  You know what I'm saying?
[00:44:37]  I mean judging by the sort of interior shots we got from the drone of his little temple and his house, I feel like the man probably was pretty messy in his going-ons.
[00:44:49]  It's not clear whether it's sustainable.
[00:44:54]  Turning on your home computer.
[00:45:04]  Turning on your home computer.
[00:45:21]  So that brings us to what's not really a loose end, but there's a detail in here that has stuck with me in a fairly major way since I first read this.
[00:45:31]  We're talking, of course, about a guy, a little background named Vikram Chotwell.
[00:45:37]  Yeah, now I don't think we've ever talked about him before.
[00:45:39]  No.
[00:45:40]  He is, in a word, a baller playboy pimp.
[00:45:43]  All one word.
[00:45:45]  Hyphenated.
[00:45:46]  Vikram Chotwell is like, like all great men, and I'm thinking here of the Trump sons.
[00:45:54]  The fail son.
[00:45:56]  And I mean, this guy is the fail son to end all.
[00:45:59]  He makes Hunter Biden look like dog shit.
[00:46:03]  Or makes him look like success story.
[00:46:05]  Actually, yes.
[00:46:06]  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:46:07]  And by the way, I should not say dog around this guy, as you'll see in a second.
[00:46:11]  He is basically the scion of a family hotel chain whose contribution to the...
[00:46:19]  I've never heard of any of these hotels.
[00:46:21]  Hampshire Hotels and Resorts?
[00:46:24]  I don't know.
[00:46:25]  Hampshire?
[00:46:25]  I've never heard of that shit.
[00:46:26]  I'm not a big hotel guy.
[00:46:27]  I'm a big, you know me.
[00:46:28]  I'm an underpass, overpass guy.
[00:46:31]  I do overpasses.
[00:46:33]  But he came up with a little chain called the Dream and Time Hotels based in Manhattan, which is, by the way, the dumbest fucking names for hotels.
[00:46:46]  Hey, I'm staying at the Dream Hotel.
[00:46:48]  Get out of here.
[00:46:49]  The Dream Hotel was a big thing.
[00:46:50]  It was?
[00:46:51]  Yeah, I stayed at once in New York or Vegas.
[00:46:58]  Oh, there's multiple ones.
[00:46:59]  I think so, yeah.
[00:47:00]  The one in New York, they were so goofy because this was like, I can't remember when they, when, it was like late 2000s, I think.
[00:47:09]  But they kind of looked like the inside of an iPod.
[00:47:13]  Classic.
[00:47:14]  So, or it was like, like Virgin Airlines where it's like, everything's white and kind of like a, like, you know.
[00:47:21]  Zahadid, like, amorphous, and then like electric pink light.
[00:47:26]  It looks like so stupid.
[00:47:27]  It's like weird, like future, fake future pod world.
[00:47:31]  Love it.
[00:47:33]  Yeah, it was really, it was really dorky.
[00:47:35]  Well, you know what this guy was doing in there?
[00:47:37]  Hmm.
[00:47:37]  Fucking Lindsay Lohan.
[00:47:39]  I'm sorry, what?
[00:47:40]  He dated Lindsay Lohan, which is the true sign of a player and a gentleman.
[00:47:44]  Lindsay, this was before she just fully became like a golf queen.
[00:47:52]  But Vikram, Vikram's a bit of a playboy.
[00:47:56]  He dated Lindsay Lohan, obviously.
[00:47:59]  By the way, any person that has been seen dating Lindsay Lohan after her sort of like original breakdown is a piece of shit.
[00:48:07]  That was like it's taking advantage of somebody.
[00:48:12]  I believe like extremely, very much taking advantage of somebody.
[00:48:16]  This guy, however, was not the most stable himself.
[00:48:19]  He was very famous for doing something that hopefully none of our listeners have done, which was setting a dog on fire.
[00:48:29]  Wait, What?
[00:48:31]  Well, this is from page six.
[00:48:33]  He cornered my dog walker and repeatedly tried to attack her and set the dogs on fire using an improvised flamethrower.
[00:48:40]  This case involved the defendant running out on the street, screaming, the dogs must die, and lighting the dog on fire, said assistant district attorney Aaron Satterwaite.
[00:48:50]  The witness said the defendant lit one of the dogs on fire.
[00:48:53]  He is also on video holding a can, so probably like a can of manic panic hairspray.
[00:48:58]  I don't know if they make hairspray.
[00:49:00]  The dogs did have to be treated at the ASPCA.
[00:49:03]  Outside the courtroom, Chat Wall's co-counsel, Mark J. Heller, said the Hotelier was bipolar and currently taking antidepressant medication that may alter the way he acts.
[00:49:13]  I know a lot of bipolar people.
[00:49:14]  Not one of them has set a dog on fire.
[00:49:16]  That's awful.
[00:49:18]  That's so awful.
[00:49:19]  Check this out.
[00:49:20]  The antidepressant medication has a side effect of disorientation, Heller said.
[00:49:25]  He himself has had a more emotional experience than the dogs.
[00:49:29]  Well, you don't know that.
[00:49:31]  Yeah, in brackets.
[00:49:33]  You don't know the interior of dogs.
[00:49:36]  This is just more anti-dog bullshit.
[00:49:39]  So his dad is actually known as the Indian Bill Clinton, according to a family friend, who says it's because he knows who everyone is, says hello to everybody, and says hello to the help.
[00:49:51]  That's like kind of a weird comparison, but that's even weirder because doesn't Bukram have a little bit of a, or he has a little bit of a connection with the Clintons, right?
[00:50:02]  Absolutely.
[00:50:03]  Yeah, his parents are like pretty good friends with Bill Clinton.
[00:50:07]  They have him over at their house, or Bill and Hillary Clinton.
[00:50:09]  They have him over at their house all the time.
[00:50:10]  So, okay, so we've got this crazy fail son who's lighting dogs on fire and like creating pod hotels while fucking Lindsay Loan.
[00:50:22]  Correct.
[00:50:23]  His dad is also in business with the Clintons.
[00:50:28]  He is actually one of the Clintons' top donors, soft money donors, they call it.
[00:50:34]  He contributed $2,100,000.
[00:50:38]  Oh, wow.
[00:50:39]  Okay.
[00:50:39]  Yeah.
[00:50:40]  To her Senate campaign, which is quite a lot of money for a Senate campaign.
[00:50:45]  Yeah, they seem to kind of party a bunch together, actually.
[00:50:49]  And with, it sounds like, I bet people are asking, what does this have to do with Epstein?
[00:50:54]  Some old friends of ours.
[00:50:57]  Yes.
[00:50:58]  So this is from, and I think we should just, I actually think you should just read this out loud.
[00:51:04]  Okay.
[00:51:05]  Because this is one of the most psychotic, off-the-wall things that I've ever read in my entire life.
[00:51:14]  All right.
[00:51:15]  So this is from Society Peace.
[00:51:19]  I asked what his, meaning San Shotwell, I asked what his social life had been like recently.
[00:51:27]  And he mentioned a dinner party at the Manhattan Townhouse of Lady Ghillain Maxwell, the daughter of the late British media baron Robert Maxwell.
[00:51:38]  The guest of honor, said Mr. Chatwell, was Prince Andrew, who told a quote, quite humorous joke involving Pepto Bismill and his brother Prince Charles' girlfriend, Camilla Parker Pulse.
[00:51:58]  Side note, that is like so British humor, which is like there can actually be no humorous joke involving Pepto Bismal.
[00:52:06]  I'm thinking the only thing that I can think of is it turns your stool black.
[00:52:13]  But that's not funny.
[00:52:15]  Exactly.
[00:52:15]  That's like the only thing that's like, that would be kind of unnerving to see, I guess.
[00:52:19]  So the British, not funny.
[00:52:21]  Anyway.
[00:52:23]  Okay, continuing on.
[00:52:25]  Then, Miss Maxwell told a story about how she flew a Blackhawk helicopter in Colombia and fired a rocket into a supposed terrorist camp.
[00:52:38]  I want to pause on that real quick.
[00:52:41]  Should we just, should I just repeat that?
[00:52:43]  Yes, please.
[00:52:44]  Okay.
[00:52:46]  Then Miss Maxwell told a story about how she flew a Blackhawk helicopter in Colombia and fired a rocket into a supposed terrorist girl.
[00:52:59]  That seems to be a pretty important detail that I have been, we first read this piece a long time ago, and it comes to me in the middle of the night often.
[00:53:10]  Because as we know, Jeffrey Epstein paid for Ghillain Maxwell to actually get her helicopter pilot's license.
[00:53:19]  In fact, she flew their helicopter quite often.
[00:53:22]  The one, of course, we should mention, this is, I think we mentioned this on the show before.
[00:53:27]  It had basically shag carpeting.
[00:53:30]  It was what is known as cuddle benches on it.
[00:53:33]  So, okay, question.
[00:53:37]  What is Ghillane doing flying a Blackhawk helicopter in Colombia?
[00:53:43]  So glad you mentioned that.
[00:53:45]  So glad you mentioned that.
[00:53:46]  Of course, there are two main quote-unquote terrorist organizations in Colombia.
[00:53:53]  There's the FARC, which is the FARC, and there is the ELN, which is the National Liberation Army, Revolutionary Armed Force of Colombia.
[00:54:01]  I don't know why I just said FARC.
[00:54:02]  It's the FARC.
[00:54:03]  Whatever.
[00:54:04]  They are both left-wing, let's say, guerrilla organizations who have unorthodox methods of finance that are not available to those of us in countries where certain crops are not grown.
[00:54:19]  But flying a Blackhawk helicopter in Colombia and firing a rocket at a terrorist camp is very strange.
[00:54:28]  I don't really know why a person would be afforded that opportunity.
[00:54:33]  Now, it should be mentioned.
[00:54:34]  I actually meant to mention this earlier.
[00:54:36]  There is a picture of Ghillane Maxwell with Fidel Castro in Jeffrey Epstein's house, which I always thought was rather strange.
[00:54:43]  And I'm like, how could you betray Fidel's vision like this?
[00:54:48]  It is, of course, he didn't know who she was.
[00:54:50]  But it is astounding.
[00:54:53]  I mean, the first basically instance I can find of Blackhawks being sent to Colombia were actually by Bill Clinton in the year 2000.
[00:55:02]  I'm sorry, good friend and possibly ex-boyfriend of Ghillay Maxwell?
[00:55:06]  Absolutely.
[00:55:08]  So maybe it's a little wink weak and I nudged her.
[00:55:11]  Maybe he let her fly him down there.
[00:55:13]  Oh my God.
[00:55:13]  I mean, this is true.
[00:55:14]  Bill Clinton sent $1.28 billion emergency aid program to Colombia in January of 2000, including a fleet of Blackhawk helicopters.
[00:55:25]  And so one does wonder how she's afforded that opportunity.
[00:55:29]  I mean, it's not one that's, let's say, given to civilians often, right?
[00:55:34]  Like, you've never done that, have you, Liz?
[00:55:37]  No, not that I remember.
[00:55:39]  No, and so it seems, it seems, it's insane!
[00:55:43]  I'm sorry.
[00:55:44]  Fired a rocket into a supposed terrorist camp.
[00:55:47]  Fired a rocket.
[00:55:48]  So, okay, question.
[00:55:50]  Yes.
[00:55:51]  Is she flying or is she shooting?
[00:55:54]  Well, as far as I understand, you know, I'm not a helicopter guy.
[00:55:57]  I'm a plane.
[00:55:58]  I'm a plane.
[00:55:59]  I don't trust helicopters.
[00:56:01]  Absolutely.
[00:56:02]  People literally always crash in them.
[00:56:04]  Look, yeah, Kobe.
[00:56:06]  Mm-hmm.
[00:56:07]  Which that was, you know, that was very hard for me.
[00:56:09]  Yeah.
[00:56:10]  You were with me when, you know, we found that out.
[00:56:12]  We did a show that day.
[00:56:13]  I know.
[00:56:14]  That was really fucked up.
[00:56:15]  Anyway, I don't trust helicopters.
[00:56:17]  No one get in a helicopter.
[00:56:19]  No more helicopters.
[00:56:20]  I mean, here's the thing.
[00:56:21]  Basically, if you get in a helicopter, unless it is going to a casino to place a very large bet and oh, like in the movie.
[00:56:29]  Yeah, I mean, and I felt really freaked out because, like, I dated that chick in the movie.
[00:56:34]  Okay, okay.
[00:56:35]  And it was, okay, so I, I, sorry, I really, that would rock if that was true.
[00:56:42]  That would be so fucking cool.
[00:56:45]  That would be so fucking cool.
[00:56:47]  Oh, my God.
[00:56:48]  Stop it.
[00:56:49]  Whatever, dude.
[00:56:50]  I'm like him in that.
[00:56:52]  I'm also Jewish and probably other traits he has.
[00:56:56]  Which is number one of those could be dating Julia Fox.
[00:56:59]  Anyways, it is, they're always crashing.
[00:57:02]  You're always getting into nefarious purposes.
[00:57:04]  It is, let's say, true and I, we're anti-helicopter.
[00:57:07]  Yeah, anti-hellites.
[00:57:09]  Yeah, absolutely not.
[00:57:10]  Well, Liz, I think you should, because that does not end there.
[00:57:16]  I think you should finish reading.
[00:57:17]  Oh, man.
[00:57:18]  All right.
[00:57:19]  So this story continues.
[00:57:24]  This is such the, this is probably the most fucked up sentence any human being has uttered ever.
[00:57:30]  Killain is just the most rocking babe I've ever met.
[00:57:34]  Jesus fuck.
[00:57:36]  She blew up a tank.
[00:57:39]  That is amazing.
[00:57:41]  After that, my perception of her completely changed.
[00:57:45]  I said, you have to be the coolest person alive.
[00:57:51]  Okay.
[00:57:52]  Where to begin?
[00:57:53]  First of all, I just want to make a little fact.
[00:57:55]  How did I fact check here?
[00:57:57]  I don't think that the FARC have tanks.
[00:58:01]  They would be rather useless just in general for their needs.
[00:58:07]  But often, you know, Civvies will call any sort of armored vehicle a tank.
[00:58:11]  So maybe he just doesn't know.
[00:58:13]  She could be liar, liar, prince on fire.
[00:58:16]  I, you know, there's something about, that doesn't ring true to me, the tank part, but there's something about.
[00:58:21]  The helicopter that makes sense?
[00:58:23]  You know.
[00:58:24]  You know I trust my, let's say, spiritual perception.
[00:58:27]  Yeah, me too.
[00:58:28]  I got great intuition and I am I'm scrying this event.
[00:58:34]  And I can see the outlines of it, and I can see her soul doing it.
[00:58:38]  Me too.
[00:58:39]  It's like she's got that like short black hair just kind of like up and she's like kind of like, it's like tank girl, but in a helicopter.
[00:58:47]  Her bake light bracelets are like going up and down her wrists as she's moving the control sticks.
[00:58:51]  Yeah, but it's like kind of like hot pants, maybe.
[00:58:54]  Awful.
[00:58:54]  Awful.
[00:58:55]  Just disgusting.
[00:58:56]  Okay, other fact check.
[00:58:59]  Most rocking babe I've ever met.
[00:59:03]  So I actually wanted to fact check this at first too, because I was like, well, she's not the most rocking babe.
[00:59:08]  That's Liz.
[00:59:10]  But you've never met Chatwall.
[00:59:12]  I know, that's true.
[00:59:13]  I was thinking that when I said it, but then I was thinking, I kind of like the phrase rockin' babe.
[00:59:21]  That needs to come back.
[00:59:22]  We got to start calling things more like rocking.
[00:59:25]  That's rockin'.
[00:59:26]  I'm sorry.
[00:59:27]  If you, this is, I don't know how to tell you that.
[00:59:30]  First of all, things are rocking, but this veers us dangerously close to rockabilly.
[00:59:37]  And I'm not saying that we're at rockabilly yet, but like, you know, these are stormy seas we're on here.
[00:59:46]  Yeah, but time, you know, history's movement, and that might be where we're headed.
[00:59:51]  Yeah, in fact, rockabilly is so something that's.
[00:59:54]  Like, kind of the like psycho billy David Lynch vibes.

=== Guarantees and Immunity Ruling (04:40) ===

[00:59:58]  Let's kind of back.
[00:59:59]  I am Psycho Billy.
[01:00:03]  This is a fucking psychotic thing to say.
[01:00:07]  Yeah.
[01:00:08]  Anyone who knows anything about Kelly Maxwell and Blackhawk helicopters in Colombia, DM the TrueNAT account.
[01:00:19]  If you were part of a death squad in Colombia in the early 2000s, please.
[01:00:24]  We'd like to talk to you.
[01:00:26]  DM me and I will give you my personal phone number.
[01:00:30]  You have to be the coolest person alive.
[01:00:33]  So again, I have reread this article.
[01:00:38]  By the way, please, if you have not read it, look it up.
[01:00:41]  It's called Turban Cowboy, which no fucking, he's Seek, but still, such a weird thing to say.
[01:00:50]  You can find it if you just look that up, Turban Cowboy Vikram.
[01:00:53]  I think it's in The Observer from the early 2000s.
[01:00:57]  It is just, it is a hell of an article in its own right.
[01:01:01]  But Vikram, if you want to give me something in the ballpark of $800 million, I can finally start my trough restaurant.
[01:01:14]  I can do it in one of your bars, your hotels, I don't know, whatever they are.
[01:01:18]  And I guarantee we'll make you tens of hundreds of dollars.
[01:01:57]  You know, there's so much more that we didn't get to.
[01:02:02]  We only got through like half of the things we had.
[01:02:04]  I know.
[01:02:05]  We'll come back and add to it because there is a lot more stuff.
[01:02:08]  We should mention, probably should have mentioned this at the top of the show, but that there was a judgment yesterday, this morning, by the Supreme Court in New York that basically ruled that they would not be, or that Jeffrey Epstein's plea deal was totally fine and that all the immunity, that basically there was nothing wrong with the immunity deal in the original Epstein case.
[01:02:35]  Yeah, if you guys remember, Acosta negotiated from the perspective of the state, the all-time worst plea deal of all time.
[01:02:44]  And for the perspective of a pedophile, the greatest plea deal of all time because it gave immunity to illegal immunity to all unindicted co-conspirators and indicted co-conspirators in this case.
[01:03:01]  So basically, none of the people, none of the, Larry Viscasi, none of the pilots, Ghillaine Maxwell can ever get in trouble for what occurred in Florida.
[01:03:12]  Yeah, so this is what Julie K. Brown wrote this morning.
[01:03:18]  Despite calling the Jeffrey Epstein case a national disgrace, the federal appeals court has ruled against Epstein's victim, saying that his plea deal, which included immunity for his co-conspirators, was legally executed.
[01:03:30]  So two to one decision, and it said the rights of crime victims do not attach to the case until a defendant, in this case, Epstein, is indicted.
[01:03:40]  Now, of course, you know, that deal was negotiated before any indictment happened.
[01:03:45]  And so they're saying that none of the victims have claim to that immunity being dropped so that more charges could be brought to those co-conspirators.
[01:03:56]  It is, it is.
[01:03:58]  I'll say, Ghillaine Maxwell is having a glass of Manaschevitz in Tel Aviv tonight.
[01:04:03]  Yeah, so, I mean, that's, you know, that's the real like death nail, I would say, unfortunately.
[01:04:10]  Yeah, I mean, certainly for those charges, absolutely.
[01:04:13]  It is, it's, it's, you know, I'm no legal expert, despite my years studying law in prison for regular crimes.
[01:04:22]  But I don't know.
[01:04:23]  This seems, I'm sure it was designed this way when he got, he gave, I mean, his lawyer, he was represented by Kenneth Starr and Alan Dershowitz.
[01:04:33]  And I'm sure that they thought of this when they were negotiating the plea deal in the first place.

=== Push-Ups and Desk Chargers (01:52) ===

[01:04:39]  Absolutely.
[01:04:40]  Well, on that note, which is less fun as the rock and babe, Gilly Maxwell, I don't know.
[01:04:50]  Do you have anything else you want to add?
[01:04:53]  I've officially gotten to it where I can do 400 push-ups in a row.
[01:04:57]  Okay.
[01:04:58]  I would like to see that.
[01:05:00]  I can't do it in front of other people.
[01:05:05]  I can only do it because I can only do it one-handed.
[01:05:07]  And if I try to hold the phone, I just drop it.
[01:05:11]  It floats off my weight equilibrium.
[01:05:13]  Oh, right.
[01:05:13]  And we're, but we're on the computer.
[01:05:16]  I know, but my computer's on my desk, and I can't, what am I supposed to do?
[01:05:19]  Push-ups in a chair?
[01:05:21]  I mean, I do do push-ups in case.
[01:05:22]  I mean, it's a lap.
[01:05:23]  It's a laptop.
[01:05:24]  You can move it.
[01:05:25]  Yeah, but it's hooked up to the charger that's on the desk.
[01:05:28]  I can't move the charger.
[01:05:29]  I mean, it would have no power if this wasn't plugged in.
[01:05:32]  Oh.
[01:05:34]  Girls are so fucking dumb.
[01:05:35]  You think that, like, oh, laptops are just like, they can just like go.
[01:05:39]  Liz, when you take a light bulb out of the fucking light socket, do you think you can just turn the light switch on and it goes on?
[01:05:46]  All right, Muscle Man.
[01:05:48]  Yeah, thank you.
[01:05:51]  That's all I want.
[01:05:52]  And yes, I am Muslim.
[01:05:55]  Okay, on that note, I'm Liz.
[01:05:59]  I'm Brace.
[01:06:00]  We're joined by producer Young Chopsky.
[01:06:02]  He does a music.
[01:06:03]  And, well, Liz, sing us out, honey.
[01:06:07]  We'll see you next time.
[01:06:09]  Bye-bye.
[01:06:12]  Office theme song, Cut It.
[01:06:27]  Jean's got short, Jeff Jeff, Jeffrey Lexter.