True Anon Truth Feed - Episode 59: Nth Room
Aired: 2020-04-10
Duration: 57:43


=== Podcasts Goofs Galore (15:17) ===

[00:00:00]  I've got like the goofs.
[00:00:01]  You've got the goofs.
[00:00:02]  You are smiling for the first time in weeks.
[00:00:05]  Look at you.
[00:00:05]  You're doing chuckles.
[00:00:09]  When, my God, when did this happen?
[00:00:12]  I don't know.
[00:00:12]  Just now.
[00:00:13]  Okay.
[00:00:14]  I don't know.
[00:00:14]  I'd love to hear it.
[00:00:18]  I've been goofing a little bit today too.
[00:00:20]  I've been doing this great prank.
[00:00:22]  Remember planking?
[00:00:25]  Yes.
[00:00:27]  I do planks every day.
[00:00:28]  Oh, I've been planking just full-on face-to-face pavement planks across sidewalks.
[00:00:34]  Exercise planks.
[00:00:35]  Oh, well, this is kind of like, I have to run to the area where I do it across the whole sidewalk.
[00:00:42]  It's such a good bit because people aren't supposed to be out.
[00:00:45]  And so like, if they get mad at me for planking, it's like, well, buddy, I mean, come on, you're jogging.
[00:00:51]  Do you scare people?
[00:00:54]  Well, yeah, but like in what way?
[00:00:58]  Like, I've been, I've been frightening.
[00:00:59]  I've been doing, you know, my, you know, I do my fright walks.
[00:01:02]  What's the fright walk?
[00:01:04]  It's a, it's, you do the creepy crawl fright walk, which you like, you go and, you know, everyone's home right now.
[00:01:10]  So you, you look into their, to their windows and give them a little hello.
[00:01:16]  That's just being neighborly.
[00:01:17]  Yeah, I just, I pop in.
[00:01:19]  I'm like, that's.
[00:01:19]  Just like 9 p.m. to like 1 a.m.
[00:01:23]  Just like, toodaloo.
[00:01:25]  Like, boy, this show looks great.
[00:01:28]  And they're like, I'm just hanging out with my kids.
[00:01:29]  I'm like, I know, I love it.
[00:01:31]  I also love your kids.
[00:01:33]  Yeah, your kids rock, dude.
[00:01:34]  They are the future.
[00:01:36]  You know, they're vectors, right?
[00:01:41]  I, yeah, I don't know.
[00:01:42]  What have you been up to?
[00:01:46]  I don't know.
[00:01:46]  Secret.
[00:01:48]  Okay.
[00:01:48]  Yeah.
[00:01:49]  I don't want to reveal my secrets.
[00:01:51]  Yeah, that's true.
[00:01:52]  You know, people, that's been coming up more and more, I think, since we've been doing the streams of people being like, why is Liz so secretive?
[00:01:58]  Because you got to have a little mystery.
[00:02:01]  You got to have mystery.
[00:02:03]  Also, mind your own beastwax.
[00:02:06]  It's not my job to educate you about Liz's address, but for reference sake.
[00:02:12]  I'm also, but I'm just like that in general.
[00:02:14]  Like even before we started the podcast, there was not like, I'm not a big social media person, except for Twitter, but like what?
[00:02:24]  That's a funny caveat.
[00:02:26]  No, I mean, I just like, I don't really use Instagram.
[00:02:28]  I don't have Facebook.
[00:02:29]  I don't have any of that other crap, you know?
[00:02:32]  So it's like, you know, don't, don't Google me.
[00:02:36]  Don't care.
[00:02:37]  Why do you care?
[00:02:37]  Who cares?
[00:02:39]  Mind your own business.
[00:02:41]  I've been making sure that my neighbors know that I can keep them safe.
[00:02:46]  I've been making sure that my relatives know that if they die, that I'll be able to live on and carry the family name forward.
[00:02:53]  You know, we're going to talk about fertility in this episode.
[00:02:58]  And I've so I've been doing, you know, it's been on my mind a lot lately.
[00:03:01]  I've been doing exercises to increase your fertility.
[00:03:04]  Oh, yeah.
[00:03:05]  Well, it's, you know, it's been, you know, it's been sky high lately.
[00:03:10]  Um, and so I have been doing moon rituals.
[00:03:15]  Um, it's a full moon tonight.
[00:03:17]  Yeah.
[00:03:17]  And well, so you know, in Libra, it's in Lee.
[00:03:20]  Wait, does that with, you know, I'm a Libra.
[00:03:22]  Does that with me?
[00:03:23]  Well, that means it could, it depends on where your son is in Libra.
[00:03:28]  You can do your chart and send it to me and I can tell you.
[00:03:31]  No, ma'am.
[00:03:32]  We'll not be doing that.
[00:03:35]  You think, you think I'm gonna, but I won't.
[00:03:38]  I know you will.
[00:03:39]  Maybe I'll do it for you.
[00:03:41]  I will tell you this: that I was born at not telling.
[00:03:47]  There's no way I'm telling you what time I was born.
[00:03:49]  My parents don't know.
[00:03:50]  I sort of just, you know, I sort of just rolled out of there.
[00:03:55]  Yeah, just I was born 65 pounds.
[00:04:01]  65 pounds.
[00:04:03]  And yeah, it's, it's, it's, I just kind of crawled out and immediately just started.
[00:04:09]  Well, just started coughing.
[00:04:10]  I was coronavirus patient zero.
[00:04:12]  Welcome, welcome to today's episode of,
[00:04:42]  you know, I've been hearing a lot of talk about other podcasts lately, Liz.
[00:04:46]  Really?
[00:04:46]  Like, which ones?
[00:04:47]  I don't, I don't know what they are, man.
[00:04:49]  I can't remember their names, but I see like people make these lists of podcasts.
[00:04:53]  I don't know any of the other podcasts on them.
[00:04:55]  Are we supposed to be listening to other podcasts?
[00:04:57]  You don't really listen to podcasts, do you?
[00:04:59]  What?
[00:05:00]  What?
[00:05:00]  I don't work in an office.
[00:05:01]  When am I supposed to listen to podcasts?
[00:05:03]  I know.
[00:05:03]  Just whenever you want.
[00:05:05]  Why would I want to listen to a podcast?
[00:05:10]  Do coal miners?
[00:05:11]  Do coal miners take home coal and look at it?
[00:05:16]  Ridiculous.
[00:05:17]  You've been hearing a lot about them.
[00:05:20]  And I want to make it clear.
[00:05:21]  We haven't said our little tagline in a while, but we are, as far as I know, the only anti-pedophile podcast made by non-pedophiles that I've ever heard.
[00:05:35]  Yes, that's explicitly.
[00:05:37]  Yeah, I think that's true.
[00:05:40]  Granted, I mostly listen to Map Daily.
[00:05:45]  What is that?
[00:05:46]  It's just a little podcast.
[00:05:48]  And Maps of the World and also Map Weekly.
[00:05:52]  Map Daily is a weekly podcast by Michael Barbadoro.
[00:05:57]  But of those, I mean, those are all definitely pro-pedophile.
[00:06:02]  And so I don't really think, you know, if you guys listen to those, I mean, I'm sorry, buddy.
[00:06:06]  It's one or the other.
[00:06:08]  So yes, welcome to Truanon.
[00:06:12]  I'm Liz.
[00:06:13]  My name is Brace, joined by producer Young Chomsky.
[00:06:17]  And we are discussing some actually kind of heavy stuff today.
[00:06:24]  I, we don't ever usually do this and I tend to think it's a little lame, but I actually am going to say this because this episode is going to get a little dark, you know, in our Truanon fashion.
[00:06:37]  So, you know, you know how we do.
[00:06:40]  But we're talking about some stuff that involves like some pretty gruesome allegations of everything.
[00:06:49]  And torture and child pornography.
[00:06:54]  So I'm just putting it out there, like, you know, if you guys, you know, if that's something that you're not interested in listening to, I totally get it.
[00:07:02]  But I just wanted to say that beforehand because I got kind of like messed up researching all of this.
[00:07:10]  Yeah.
[00:07:10]  Yeah.
[00:07:11]  I, yeah, Liz, Liz gets, I, I, Liz gets sensitive looking at this stuff.
[00:07:15]  And I figure that's a good barometer for if we should warn our audience.
[00:07:18]  If you don't want to listen to this, we did do a two hour 9-11 episode.
[00:07:22]  So that counts as your extra hour.
[00:07:24]  You guys can't get mad at us.
[00:07:26]  But yeah, no, this is a, pretty much every kind of content you can warn for is going to occur.
[00:07:34]  Yeah.
[00:07:35]  So, yeah, so we're talking about basically, it's called the nth room scandal that's coming out of South Korea.
[00:07:42]  And I have to say that like Western media is not reporting on this at all.
[00:07:48]  There's been very, very few mainstream media articles, interviews with journalists, very few journalists covering it.
[00:07:57]  And even the articles I've seen in like, you know, the lie on fake news American media, like for, you know, example, the failing New York Times, have really minimized what this case is about, which is very odd.
[00:08:14]  I mean, it is like when you, when you look at the scope of this case, and especially when you put it in the context of sort of the sexual milieu in parts of parts of Korean society, it's like astounding.
[00:08:29]  And it's the scope of it's huge too.
[00:08:30]  I mean, we're talking about tens of thousands, not hundreds of thousands of people involved in this.
[00:08:35]  Yeah.
[00:08:36]  So we, that's just like kind of a broad, broad stroke.
[00:08:39]  So we should, let's talk about what we're actually talking about.
[00:08:42]  Well, I want to talk about quickly, I want to talk about some of the context, though, of sort of basically previous things that have happened that are kind of related to this.
[00:08:53]  And just to generally set the scene, because first of all, porn is illegal in South Korea.
[00:08:58]  It is, which I know many of our fans are devastated at this news, but they actually, the government has a blacklist.
[00:09:07]  This isn't so unusual because they have this.
[00:09:09]  I know when I was, well, let me just say they have this in parts of the Middle East as well, where porn sites are basically blacklisted from ISPs.
[00:09:20]  The Ministry of Communication there has a big blacklist of them, mostly American sites, I think.
[00:09:25]  I read a report in Vice that said if you look at porn too much on your smartphone or your computer, they'll take those away.
[00:09:32]  I couldn't find any actual instances of that happening.
[00:09:37]  But we can call that, if they bring that to America, let me be clear.
[00:09:41]  They'll call that the Truanon law.
[00:09:45]  And they have something called the Nuri Net Squad, which is 800 guys, mostly Christians, that look for porn online and try to get it taken down, which that is, I don't know about that.
[00:09:58]  That seems weird to me.
[00:09:59]  But there's a ton of spy cam shit going on there.
[00:10:03]  Yeah, so this is a very bizarre phenomenon in Korean society.
[00:10:07]  I mean, I haven't, I think that this is pretty, I mean, this is like, I mean, I don't mean to say like oldest trick in the book or whatever, but like it is very prevalent in South Korea.
[00:10:17]  Like it's a huge problem where they just have like basically people will set up like very tiny, like almost like undetectable, very small cameras in public restrooms, in public places, in malls, in dressing rooms, trying to get footage of young women.
[00:10:40]  Yeah.
[00:10:40]  And there's like, I watched this little like news thing there where a guy invented it or showing off a device that could detect spy cameras.
[00:10:49]  And some of the cameras they were showing off were like, they could fit in like a little one on a clock or like fit on a water bottle.
[00:10:55]  And the city of Seoul actually employs, they hired like 50 people in 2016 to go through public restrooms and search for cameras.
[00:11:05]  And in 2018, because a huge public backlash, they hired eight or 7,500 more.
[00:11:12]  So there's 8,000 people whose sole job it is to look for spy cams in public bathrooms, which by the way, I think they found zero since they started.
[00:11:23]  They said they would inspect all 20,000 restrooms daily, which is fucking insane.
[00:11:29]  Yeah, that's insane.
[00:11:30]  And they haven't found any, but there's a ton of like upskirt things there.
[00:11:33]  And like, that's what like a lot of people basically look at in terms of porn.
[00:11:38]  And there's been cases, people have been caught for doing this stuff before.
[00:11:40]  And I feel like have gotten off pretty leniently.
[00:11:43]  Well, that's a reoccurring theme that we're going to like continue to talk about as we move through these various cases is that one of the big problems is that the justice system in South Korea really doesn't take these crimes seriously.
[00:12:02]  And not only is it really rare for the police to or for the cases to be prosecuted, but judges tend to be extremely lenient where people will get two, three, four years for like heinous sex crimes.
[00:12:24]  I'm not even talking obscurity stuff.
[00:12:26]  I'm talking like, you know, video, videotaping rape and distributing it for four years.
[00:12:33]  I mean, just really, really like to the point where, you know, South Koreans have amassed, you know, massive petitions to get the government to start taking this seriously.
[00:12:45]  So it's like a real big cultural issue there.
[00:12:48]  I should add too that the, I think, it's really difficult to parse because I've read different things that say different things.
[00:12:57]  But it looks like the age of consent for certain sexual activities is also 13 there, which there are other laws around it, but like it's, it's, I don't know, it's, it says 13 in some places and 18 other places.
[00:13:12]  I'm sure one of our fans will be able to parse this for me.
[00:13:16]  I don't mean that in a weird way.
[00:13:18]  But yeah.
[00:13:19]  So the sexual culture there is like, it does not favor sort of the vulnerable.
[00:13:25]  No.
[00:13:26]  And I think before we kind of, like you mentioned, to kind of like set the scene, we should go into some of the like, some of the kind of cases that loom in the background of the Nthroom case, which in particular would be the big Burning Sun scandal, which was quite large to the point, maybe some of our listeners have heard of it.
[00:13:48]  Yeah, it was, it was huge.
[00:13:50]  And this one was big news too, because it, it, it had to do with a lot of K-pop stars, particularly this.
[00:13:57]  We're not going to go super into it now because this is like another just giant case and really complicated.
[00:14:03]  But there was a nightclub called the Burning Sun.
[00:14:05]  So Burning Sun was a big ass nightclub.
[00:14:09]  They routinely denied cops entry and also paid them off.
[00:14:12]  That's another thing too that we're going to see in the Nthroom case is sort of low-level officials getting paid off and sometimes higher level officials getting paid off.
[00:14:21]  But one of the owners was this guy in a K-pop group called Big Bang.
[00:14:26]  Now, Liz, you're a big Big Bang fan, right?
[00:14:30]  No.
[00:14:30]  This should not come to a surprise to our listeners, but Liz and I are not, we don't know a lot about K-pop.
[00:14:37]  I'll be totally honest with you guys.
[00:14:39]  Yeah, I was kind of, yeah, learning about the K-pop economy, if I can call it that, is pretty disturbing.
[00:14:48]  Well, my, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:14:49]  My, my, basic, my, my sort of experience with it so far has been me posting uh to stand various groups underneath politicians.
[00:14:58]  I dislike uh, but anyways it's.
[00:15:02]  It kind of came to light when there was CCTV footage of this uh, of a patron of the nightclub getting beat up by these guys uh, and then he got arrested for assault and it appears or, excuse me, he said that he was protecting a girl who'd say she's being sexually harassed yada yada, yada.

=== Extreme Porn Currency (14:26) ===

[00:15:17]  A lot of stuff came out pretty soon after and then continued to come out for a while about basically people doing well, mocha or upskirt.
[00:15:25]  You know hidden camera videos uh, of not only just girls in, let's say, vulnerable situations but also getting uh drugged and raped by various K-pop stars and and businessmen uh, and then uploaded to a Korean chat app.
[00:15:42]  Yes, so that seems to be like I don't know that the the use of chat apps in all of this, I think is very curious.
[00:15:49]  Um yeah, it seems like um, that's where uh, most of this is going on.
[00:15:57]  You know Telegram.
[00:15:59]  I think we chat different kind of like, you know, allegedly end-to-end encrypted, and I you know chat apps that also offer that like they'll be routinely erased.
[00:16:13]  So there's this idea of security, whether or not you believe that, with these, you know, these companies um, but yeah, so that that's a reoccurring theme throughout this whole, this whole kind of cultural I don't know trend I don't even know what else to call it.
[00:16:31]  Yeah I yeah it's it's it's, I mean one thing that it has in common, because obviously America has a pretty deranged sexual culture too.
[00:16:40]  I think the main thing, which we'll get into later, is that uh basically, women in in, let's say, not great situations, are being taken advantage of or taken advantage of uh, often exchanged for money yeah, and not just, I would say children yeah children yes yeah yeah yeah yeah um, especially in what we're about to start talking about.
[00:17:00]  Well, the in.
[00:17:01]  There's also another thing called the web hard cartel, So in Korea, all like remote file hosting services are called web hards, which I guess stands for, at first was like, damn, he named it after like a boner, but no, I guess it just stands for web hard drive.
[00:17:19]  But the guy who ran a bunch of these companies called Yangjin-hu, he was also, and this has something to do with the Enthroom case too, because it was not just strictly sexual activities.
[00:17:28]  He got in trouble for a quote from Korea Herald, allegedly asking a Buddhist monk to murder the brother-in-law of his ex-wife who at the time was going through a divorce suit against him and film it.
[00:17:40]  And he got in trouble for that.
[00:17:42]  And it came out that a lot of the sort of file hosting services he had were basically ways to put out revenge porn.
[00:17:50]  Other things this guy did was force his employees to drink until they collapsed, but prevented them from going to the bathroom, forces managers to dye their hair, fired one of his female employees for not being quick enough and washing lettuce, and slapped his employees.
[00:18:04]  The video came out of him slapping.
[00:18:05]  I've watched this video, him slapping his employees around and ordering them to kill a chicken using a crossbow.
[00:18:13]  Oh man, for God's sakes.
[00:18:15]  Yeah, but again, like these guys, and there's also just been like a ton, a host of other revenge porn cases that have all gotten extremely, and I mean extremely lenient sentences.
[00:18:24]  Like a year or two or just dismissed overall.
[00:18:28]  Well, there's like a case of one guy who, I don't have it right in front of me, but he was arrested and did time for a similar like revenge porn case and is now running for state assembly.
[00:18:45]  Amazing.
[00:18:46]  Yeah, it's just like, I think that's part of the reason there's been such a huge outcry over this is because this is such like a far-reaching, I guess, case.
[00:18:56]  And so there's been like, I mean, there's been marches and there's been protests in Seoul and other parts of Korea before, but like, I mean, people have really like, this Nthroom thing is a big fucking deal there.
[00:19:07]  Yeah.
[00:19:07]  So let's get into it.
[00:19:08]  So what is, so nthroom, just because that sounds probably very weird to people.
[00:19:14]  Yes.
[00:19:15]  Just capital N, T H, Endroom.
[00:19:18]  And it's called that because there were, there was a variety of, like we said, Telegram chat rooms, kind of like what you would think of in different layers.
[00:19:29]  They would be like chat one, chat two, chat three, and then chat N.
[00:19:34]  So obviously like basically infinity number of these chat rooms.
[00:19:38]  And there was like main ones that were run by a few different guys.
[00:19:42]  And that's all sort of coming out.
[00:19:44]  The main guy people are talking about is a guy named Chujo Bin.
[00:19:47]  Yes.
[00:19:48]  Who also went by the doctor.
[00:19:51]  Yes.
[00:19:51]  Yeah.
[00:19:52]  His name, or he called himself Boxa, which I guess means doctor.
[00:19:54]  But it also means like, I've heard it translated as the doc too, which makes sense.
[00:19:59]  The doc does sound like a guy who would run a porn chat room.
[00:20:03]  Ugh, it's disgusting.
[00:20:05]  He was recently arrested, like really recently, about a week and a half ago.
[00:20:10]  And he's 25 years old.
[00:20:11]  Did you see the pictures of him getting legal?
[00:20:13]  Yeah, he had like a huge neck brace on.
[00:20:16]  They call that the Weinstein maneuver.
[00:20:20]  What's the deal with that?
[00:20:21]  Did he try to hurt himself?
[00:20:23]  So I couldn't find anything, any reasons he had the neck brace.
[00:20:27]  My guess is, is that, you know, during Harvey Weinstein's trial, how he grew just more and more disabled?
[00:20:34]  Right, right, right.
[00:20:35]  This guy's going to get more and more like neck bracey.
[00:20:39]  Like he's going to come in with like a arm cast, leg cast.
[00:20:43]  And I guarantee you, I guarantee you he will end this trial in a wheelchair so he can get taken to the hospital.
[00:20:48]  The other thing he said to authorities, and this like is so fucking creepy, he said, thank you for stopping my life as a devil that I could not stop.
[00:21:00]  Insane.
[00:21:01]  It's like totally insane.
[00:21:03]  Totally.
[00:21:04]  I mean, yeah.
[00:21:05]  And you'll see this guy is a fucking demon.
[00:21:07]  Okay, but before we get into him, let's explain a little bit more about these chat rooms.
[00:21:12]  Okay, so the way that it seems to work.
[00:21:14]  I'm not, have you used Telegram before?
[00:21:17]  I've only used it to talk to like one other like I'm in a couple chats.
[00:21:22]  How did the chats work?
[00:21:24]  Well, you can't take a screenshot.
[00:21:26]  It'll like alert the chat if you do.
[00:21:29]  Or you can like make it so those get people get booted.
[00:21:33]  And I think one of the chats I'm in has like 60, 70 people, but you could see what they all are.
[00:21:39]  But, you know, people can just be under whatever name.
[00:21:41]  Yeah.
[00:21:42]  It's connected to a phone number.
[00:21:44]  And you get invited into them.
[00:21:46]  And then you're in them.
[00:21:48]  Wow.
[00:21:48]  Okay.
[00:21:49]  So it's like, it's, so the way it looks like here is that there were a few like chat original chat rooms.
[00:21:55]  The first one was called Av Snoop, which is run by a guy named Watchman, who, as far as I know, they still have not caught yet.
[00:22:03]  And there was other ones and the main ones were run by the doctor.
[00:22:06]  And then everything else was sort of like ancillary chats or tertiary chats, which you had to pay to get into these, right?
[00:22:13]  Yeah.
[00:22:13]  So it would be very basically anywhere between what would amount to be about $250 up until $12, like about $1,200 to get into various levels of these chat rooms.
[00:22:25]  And the different levels were like denoted by basically how extreme and insane the porn got.
[00:22:33]  Yeah.
[00:22:34]  So like they would be sharing, you know, anything from like, you know, I would think, I mean, this is just what I'm imagining, but it would be like upskirt videos or cam videos caught on tape in one level that would be cheaper.
[00:22:49]  And the higher you went, it would move into rape, adolescence.
[00:22:56]  There's talk of there being ones with children as young as like toddler age.
[00:23:02]  Yep.
[00:23:03]  But that most of the rooms were, it was trading porn that was basically the age from nine to 18.
[00:23:12]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:23:12]  And it's one of the things that you talk about trading porn.
[00:23:16]  So this was broken, I think I'll probably read more from their interview later, but this is broken by a couple of college students, women, who were trying to join this investigative journalism contest.
[00:23:27]  They said that there was about 100, at least rather, 100 chat rooms where it was being shared.
[00:23:34]  Usually, like these were, again, like these were sort of the secondary chat rooms where they're being shared from the main ones, the nth room or the doctor's room.
[00:23:42]  And they said when they entered the chat, the manager of the chat told us to change our profile picture to an adult animation and that was it.
[00:23:49]  But there are rooms where you're required to hand over explicit pictures or videos to get in.
[00:23:54]  Fortunately, we were not asked to prove that we were male, but there were some rooms that demanded people take pictures of their genitals to prove themselves along with their nicknames as identifications.
[00:24:05]  And they also said that there are lowly rooms.
[00:24:08]  And I guess the way it worked, by lowly, I mean, I mean, to be clear, child pornography, which is what lowly, even your fucking anime lowly is.
[00:24:16]  Even if it's, you know, there's no argument against that.
[00:24:19]  It's what it is.
[00:24:21]  But I guess the way it worked is that you had to use extreme porn as sort of a currency to get into the more extreme chats.
[00:24:30]  Right.
[00:24:32]  Which is insane.
[00:24:33]  Yeah.
[00:24:33]  I mean, basically, that's kind of like the MO, it seems, is that you have to like prove that you're also going to be contributing or something.
[00:24:42]  And it's stuff that people haven't seen.
[00:24:44]  And we should say that like there, there's conflicting reports about just how many people were using these chat rooms.
[00:24:52]  Yeah.
[00:24:52]  But it looks to be anywhere between 25 and 50,000 people.
[00:24:56]  Yeah.
[00:24:57]  The highest I've seen is 240,000.
[00:24:59]  Yeah.
[00:25:00]  Yeah.
[00:25:00]  I've seen that too, which is completely mind-boggling.
[00:25:04]  I mean, it's so insane.
[00:25:07]  240,000 people trading child pornography.
[00:25:12]  Yeah.
[00:25:13]  Yes.
[00:25:14]  And really, like just extreme.
[00:25:19]  It's stuff that really stretches the definition of what I would think of as pornography.
[00:25:24]  Yeah, we should say, I mean, I do want to say this to people, and I'm sorry, this stuff is like really, really dark, but like, I want to impress the like seriousness of the situation.
[00:25:34]  There would be, so basically another component of this is the way they would recruit girls to then basically get porn from them to share in these chats, right?
[00:25:50]  Yeah.
[00:25:50]  Yeah.
[00:25:51]  They would find, I know you did a lot of research, they would find girls who were maybe like young girls who, and one thing I read that were runaways, I don't know how they know that, but like basically women and young girls in bad situations get some sort of nude from them and then basically blackmail them with it.
[00:26:12]  Yeah.
[00:26:13]  So basically from what I've read, which is that, you know, there's a lot of the victims don't want to come forward, which is a real problem with the case, like cases that involve revenge porn in the United States and elsewhere is that, you know, basically coming forward, you're identifying yourself and then people see you.
[00:26:32]  And like the only thing that you want to do as a, you know, young girl is like forget about that any of this happened, put it behind you, run away, change your identity, whatever you can do to escape this, right?
[00:26:44]  Because it's humiliating.
[00:26:45]  So it's really difficult to get victims on the record or talking to journalists.
[00:26:50]  But there was one girl who did.
[00:26:53]  And she basically, these men would have, there's these websites, right?
[00:26:58]  That advertise, you know, basically like what they call sponsors.
[00:27:04]  I don't really know how to put it other than like sugar daddy.
[00:27:10]  Yeah.
[00:27:11]  And they're, and girls go on there saying that they're looking for one or they look for men that are advertising services or whatever.
[00:27:19]  And they're all looking for schoolgirls.
[00:27:22]  And I mean like real schoolgirls.
[00:27:24]  So it's poor children that are looking for money.
[00:27:29]  Right.
[00:27:30]  And so in this interview with her, and I'm going to read some of this.
[00:27:33]  And, you know, again, it's like really upsetting.
[00:27:37]  But I, you know, I think it's important.
[00:27:42]  So she was in middle school when she was recruited into this.
[00:27:49]  It was when you were in middle school.
[00:27:51]  How did you end up caught in this situation?
[00:27:53]  Back then, I was really lacking money for personal living expenses.
[00:27:56]  So I had no choice.
[00:27:58]  There were no household expenses available for your family.
[00:28:01]  That's right.
[00:28:02]  I looked up a lot of chatting applications and found this one.
[00:28:05]  I checked how I could manage to get some living expenses from the app.
[00:28:09]  I got a chat from a person.
[00:28:11]  I didn't have any thoughts of working part-time with a sponsor, but then I got swept into this case.
[00:28:16]  I replied to the person.
[00:28:18]  So basically, at first, these men ask for pictures of their bodies.
[00:28:26]  And then it kind of escalates from there.
[00:28:28]  Then they want pictures with their face included.
[00:28:32]  And the girls get hesitant because, again, you don't want your face.
[00:28:35]  You don't want anything that would identify you on the internet, right?
[00:28:40]  But these men are incredibly skilled.
[00:28:43]  They know how to groom young women and they've been doing it over and over and over.
[00:28:48]  And so they're able to convince these girls by, you know, sending them money and convincing them that they are in like a kind of benefactor, older man, younger girl relationship to comply with their requests.
[00:29:06]  And it gets more and more extreme as it goes on.
[00:29:09]  It would be them, you know, young girls touching themselves, wearing school uniforms, ripping stockings, but then it moves into.
[00:29:17]  carving things into their arms and their bodies or like having sex with objects to the point of them bleeding, extremely violent acts, stuff that I don't even, and there's more stuff that I don't even really want to say, to be honest.
[00:29:34]  Well, like one of the things that Boxa in particular would do, the doctor, would have girls carve slave into each other or into themselves.

=== Digital Revenge Slavery Market (04:43) ===

[00:29:43]  Yeah.
[00:29:43]  And that's like, that's, I mean, that a few things remind me of this of stuff we've researched before, but that reminded me a lot of Ghillane Maxwell.
[00:29:53]  Yeah.
[00:29:53]  And it's like, so, you know, these young girls, again, I have to get out of the habit of calling them women, these children.
[00:30:00]  I mean, middle school.
[00:30:01]  I mean, I'm like, fucking God, you know, so then these men basically have this blackmail over them.
[00:30:07]  I already have these photos of you and they say, I've got all of your personal information.
[00:30:12]  I've got your bank account information because I had to send you money.
[00:30:15]  I'm going to contact your family.
[00:30:16]  I'm going to embarrass you.
[00:30:17]  I'm going to ruin, you know, the rest of your life unless you keep doing this for me.
[00:30:22]  And so these young girls get caught up in basically sexual servitude for these chat applications that are trading violent child porn.
[00:30:36]  Yeah.
[00:30:37]  And another thing they would do too is that is that the doctor in particular had a contact who was some sort of bureaucrat or official who could get information from people from government databases.
[00:30:50]  And so they were using basically low-level bureaucrats to be able to get even more information to blackmail these people with.
[00:30:58]  Yeah.
[00:30:58]  Which is insane.
[00:30:59]  I mean, there's at least 74 women, including at least 16 minors that got extorted that they know about.
[00:31:07]  But I mean, if, again, if history is any judge, there are probably several times that.
[00:31:14]  Yeah.
[00:31:15]  I mean, I just, like I said, like so many women and young girls like are not going to come forward or just want to be identified.
[00:31:23]  Remember the girls do porn case?
[00:31:26]  For those of you who don't remember, we did an episode on this, right?
[00:31:29]  Or did we just, yes, we did.
[00:31:30]  Yeah, we did.
[00:31:31]  Yes.
[00:31:32]  Yeah.
[00:31:34]  That that is something similar because those girls were basically toodwinked and essentially extorted into doing porn and then just like out of fear weren't able to come forward and say that's what that's that they were a victim.
[00:31:49]  Yeah.
[00:31:50]  And it's 100%.
[00:31:51]  And that's the power that these men and let me, I'll get into men in a second, but you know, a hold over these women and it's horrifying.
[00:32:01]  It's absolutely horrifying.
[00:32:02]  This like digital revenge sexual slave market.
[00:32:06]  I mean, that's basically what it is.
[00:32:08]  Yeah.
[00:32:08]  And it's like they were making money off of this.
[00:32:11]  Like I talked about the web hard thing earlier.
[00:32:13]  Like that guy was making a ton of money off of upskirt porn.
[00:32:17]  When they arrested Chujo Bin, they found $100,000 in cash in his room.
[00:32:23]  And like, it's, I mean, these people, it's insane.
[00:32:26]  Like they're making a ton of money off of this and they're using cryptocurrency to do it, which is actually funny because that's how they got a lot of their names too.
[00:32:37]  The police raided a bunch of cryptocurrency exchanges.
[00:32:40]  I didn't know.
[00:32:40]  I have no, you know me.
[00:32:42]  You know, I don't know how cryptocurrency works.
[00:32:44]  And you know how people could tell me a million fucking times and I'll never learn because I'm physically incapable of caring.
[00:32:51]  But the cops raided like five exchanges and crypto buying agents too, two of those.
[00:32:57]  I don't know what that means.
[00:32:58]  And they arrested at least one crypto guy who I think was the main guy basically changing out cryptocurrency for money.
[00:33:06]  So you can do that.
[00:33:07]  You can just change out cryptocurrency for cash.
[00:33:10]  Yeah, you can convert it.
[00:33:11]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:33:12]  Why would you have cryptocurrency then?
[00:33:14]  Well, because it's not, it's theoretically not traceable, though that's not true.
[00:33:18]  But, you know.
[00:33:18]  Yeah.
[00:33:19]  Looks like it's insanely easy to trace.
[00:33:21]  That's kind of the whole point.
[00:33:23]  Yeah.
[00:33:23]  Oh, okay.
[00:33:24]  They also arrested a soldier.
[00:33:26]  Yeah, that came out recently.
[00:33:28]  Well, we should say that, you know, some of the members, they're not releasing the names of the members of the chat, but it's, they've said it's like celebrities, CEOs, very powerful people, people involved in the K-pop industry, which is a whole nother beast, like I mentioned.
[00:33:46]  But also that a lot of the people running the chat, we mentioned the doctors 24 years old.
[00:33:52]  There were other men.
[00:33:54]  I mean, I just messaged you one of the other cases that's affiliated with this where one of the guys was like, what, 12 years old?
[00:34:07]  12 years old.
[00:34:08]  Yeah.
[00:34:09]  So there's teenagers.
[00:34:11]  A lot of the cases, these are like teenage boys running these, you know, multi-level porn schemes.
[00:34:20]  Yeah, that's something that like I saw mentioned a few times, though, without really any like hard details.

=== Sexually Deranged Chatbots (05:47) ===

[00:34:26]  And most of the, I mean, you sent me that article from today, but before I just sort of seen it obliquely mentioned, is that it does seem like a lot of teenagers running these chats too.
[00:34:36]  Yeah, which is completely wild.
[00:34:39]  Well, actually, I want to mention one thing is that this is actually the journalists that sort of discovered all this, they call themselves Team Flame, which I think is very, I feel like that's sexist for me to call it adorable.
[00:34:54]  I find that charming.
[00:34:56]  Okay.
[00:34:58]  They said that from their estimation, about half of the users were from outside Korea.
[00:35:03]  Oh, I didn't see that.
[00:35:05]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:35:06]  There's a pretty good interview with them.
[00:35:07]  Oh, I didn't.
[00:35:08]  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:35:10]  It's which I'm really not surprised by.
[00:35:13]  Cause, you know, it's, I mean, hell, ISIS uses Telegram.
[00:35:17]  Well, you know that Enroom and Enthroom were, as of recently, big searches on Pornhub.
[00:35:24]  Well, there's a whole like sort of trend towards, I mean, this has been going on since forever, but like since I was a kid, I basically noticed like upskirt videos being a thing.
[00:35:36]  And I just like, I mean, that is by no means exclusive to South Korea, but it's like astounding to me.
[00:35:44]  And like, I don't really, it's like, that's like, I don't know, I find it like sexually deranged.
[00:35:50]  Yeah.
[00:35:51]  I think that's good that you find it sexually deranged.
[00:35:54]  Yeah.
[00:35:55]  Well, I mean, Christ, golden rule.
[00:35:57]  What would happen if that happened to me?
[00:35:58]  I would hate that.
[00:36:00]  I mean, I think that's what's like so alarming about the rise in, you know, this stuff that we're reading about here, where the, you know, again, like the main connective kind of tissue, it seems, is that the content must always be violently coerced.
[00:36:19]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:36:20]  And, and, and in sort of like cascading ways of extremity too.
[00:36:25]  Yes.
[00:36:26]  Like it's got to be more and more psycho.
[00:36:28]  Yeah.
[00:36:29]  And like people will, that's what people are looking for, which is, I don't know what to do with that.
[00:36:37]  Well, it's like, I'm not, I've always struggled to like kind of understand what people see in that.
[00:36:44]  Like, I think it's like, I think in this particular case, like, you know, from what I've read, you know, Korea has a pretty extreme work life there.
[00:36:53]  I was listening to interviews with workers there earlier today.
[00:36:56]  They were talking about working 12 hour days, 16 hour days.
[00:37:00]  They have the lowest fertility rate in the world, which from what I gather, I mean, I watched a little documentary and listened to a little thing about it.
[00:37:08]  That does have to do with the work culture.
[00:37:11]  But also, I think it's like, I keep coming back to the upskirt thing just being like a product of some kind of, I don't know what causes that, but like it seems to be more prevalent in places where, I don't know, people just have to work all the fucking time.
[00:37:27]  I don't know what that connection is.
[00:37:30]  I wonder if there's like a desexualization too.
[00:37:34]  Well, yeah, I mean, it's like not actually about having sex.
[00:37:37]  It's like just about, you know.
[00:37:41]  I think to be like sort of titillated by that, I think it's like you have to sort of like remove yourself from thinking of the other person as a human being, right?
[00:37:50]  And like, that's something that's like, I think, I think it's like technology sort of gets like, I don't even know how much more prevalent in our lives it could get, but I think it has became just like ultra prevalent in our lives.
[00:38:03]  It's been much easier to sort of like act like another person's not a human.
[00:38:08]  Right.
[00:38:10]  Especially when these technologies become just like the mediate, like even right now, it's like this, you know, our interaction right now is mediated through technology.
[00:38:21]  Yeah.
[00:38:21]  Yeah.
[00:38:22]  More and so you're right that it's very alienating, like in so many ways.
[00:38:29]  You become more and more alienated from each other as humans.
[00:38:34]  Which like, that's nothing new, but I think that like in terms of its like relation to like our sexuality and stuff, like I do think it like, I don't know, it takes it to new dimensions.
[00:38:47]  Yeah, that's like Zizek has that great bit that I always reference.
[00:38:51]  I think I did the other night where, you know, he says like soon we'll be on dates and we'll just have like two like sex toys next to us and we'll have the toys have sex and then we don't have to deal with it and we can just have a conversation.
[00:39:07]  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:39:09]  I mean, I think that even the conversation.
[00:39:11]  I think the conversation bit of that is maybe even stretching it a little much.
[00:39:15]  Maybe you just sit and have dinner in silence.
[00:39:18]  Yeah.
[00:39:18]  And like, I don't know like what, I mean, Christ, I don't know.
[00:39:24]  People are fascinated by that kind of stuff.
[00:39:25]  Like, I guess it like, I don't know what it is.
[00:39:28]  If it's like a, if it's like a, you know, a stand-in for being close to somebody or like, just like you get kind of deranged if you're not.
[00:39:38]  I mean, God, who knows what it's going to look like after this is all over.
[00:39:42]  Yeah.
[00:39:44]  I don't know.
[00:39:46]  So I think,

=== Judge Removed for Leniency (02:25) ===

[00:40:13]  again, I just want to, like, reiterate that one of the big problems, again, in South Korea is that, you know, the justice system just really isn't taking this stuff seriously.
[00:40:25]  And with the case of Bosca, there was like a judge was assigned to the Enthrim case who was infamous for being lenient towards like various hideous sexual crimes in the past.
[00:40:43]  And almost 400,000 people signed a petition and got him removed from the case.
[00:40:49]  This was just like two days ago.
[00:40:51]  This happened, or I think last week.
[00:40:55]  So 400, like that many people, 400,000 people being like, we have to get rid of this judge because he's going to let this guy off scot free.
[00:41:03]  Yeah, it's been like, I mean, so the whole like issue of like basically hidden cameras, which by the way, I don't know if we mentioned this earlier.
[00:41:12]  People have also like snuck into like K-pop stars homes and put those in or like their managers have put those in and sold the videos.
[00:41:20]  And like that issue has like really kind of grown to a head in South Korea.
[00:41:24]  And like, you know, there's there is a there is like a large movement of women who are trying to actually make that like much more of a serious crime than it than it is.
[00:41:33]  Because as it stands now, it's not really a serious crime.
[00:41:36]  I mean, I'm glad they got the judge removed.
[00:41:39]  They also, there was a two and a half million person petition to reveal the name of Boxa as well, because I guess the way they do it there, usually, which I'm actually sort of sympathetic towards, is they blur the face of and don't release the name of anybody who's accused of a crime until, I guess, after the trial.
[00:41:59]  Interesting.
[00:41:59]  Which I actually kind of like that practice, although it's less salacious.
[00:42:04]  Right.
[00:42:04]  And you know, I love salacious.
[00:42:07]  Well, to an extent.
[00:42:09]  But yeah, you know, hopefully these guys, I don't know, they have, they also say that they have the names of a lot of other people involved in this too.
[00:42:17]  Although if it's anything, history serves as a judge, I don't know if most of those will get in any trouble.
[00:42:22]  Not if they're celebrities and CEOs and athletes, which is what they're claiming.
[00:42:27]  Also, professors was on that list, which, you know, my enemy, the dreaded academic.
[00:42:35]  But yeah, it's, this was not a great read.

=== Bojo And The Queen (10:00) ===

[00:42:39]  I got to say, Liz.
[00:42:40]  No, but I wanted to like, I really wanted us to talk about it just because, again, like I said, it's weird that no one in the Western press is talking about this case.
[00:42:51]  It's to the point where, I mean, China is now investigating whether it has a scourge of similar chat rooms, either like in apps or on the internet and what to do because this is a huge scandal over like huge scandal.
[00:43:07]  Yeah.
[00:43:08]  And no one's really paying attention over here.
[00:43:10]  And I can't, you know, listen.
[00:43:13]  There is absolutely no way this does not exist in America.
[00:43:17]  Yeah, 100% people do that here.
[00:43:19]  People like this obsession with being like the voyeur and like the dehumanizer is pretty universal.
[00:43:29]  But yeah, it certainly was a lot to read about.
[00:44:05]  So in good news, Boris Johnson appears to have died.
[00:44:08]  No.
[00:44:08]  No, did he?
[00:44:10]  Yes, he got, he just, he got, um, no, I thought you were for real saying that.
[00:44:16]  No, they're saying that his fever went down.
[00:44:18]  They're saying his fever went down.
[00:44:20]  Although I got to say, by the time this episode comes out, he could be dead.
[00:44:24]  I'm taking a gamble there.
[00:44:26]  He got COVID.
[00:44:28]  It's your guy, Liz.
[00:44:29]  Hey, since what is Bojo, my guy?
[00:44:32]  You came up with a cute nickname for him in Bojo.
[00:44:35]  You don't call him Bojo?
[00:44:37]  No, I don't want to steal your bit.
[00:44:38]  And didn't you come up with that?
[00:44:40]  I think a lot of people call him Bojo.
[00:44:42]  Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:44:43]  I just say it.
[00:44:44]  I say it the best.
[00:44:45]  Bojo.
[00:44:47]  Yeah, you do.
[00:44:48]  You do.
[00:44:48]  You do emphasize a different syllable, the classic Liz tactic of emphasizing another syllable.
[00:44:54]  He, he got, I can't believe it.
[00:44:56]  He got taken.
[00:44:57]  You know how we were just talking about how all the celebs are faking having coronavirus?
[00:45:02]  Yes.
[00:45:02]  I guess one guy didn't get the method, the memo, excuse me, that he was supposed to fake it.
[00:45:07]  Well, okay.
[00:45:07]  So a couple of things that are funny about that.
[00:45:10]  One, so I think he definitely had it because remember he made that big show, like, I'm, I'm Bojo.
[00:45:17]  I'm going to shake all the hands of the sick people.
[00:45:20]  And then he's like, I shook all the hands of the sick people twice.
[00:45:24]  And then they were like, Boris Johnson has coronavirus.
[00:45:26]  But and then he was like, oh, I'm all right.
[00:45:28]  I have, because I will say.
[00:45:29]  Oh, yeah, he'd like Instagram lived from 10 Downing that he was doing well.
[00:45:33]  Yeah, he did like a double one with AOC.
[00:45:37]  I would love to see the two of them hang out.
[00:45:39]  That would be a fantastic thing.
[00:45:40]  Making cocktails back and forth.
[00:45:42]  Amazing, um Boris.
[00:45:44]  Uh yeah, he said he had it, but I just assume he's like every other celebrity that has it where he's like infused with adrenochrome every three minutes so he doesn't actually get sick.
[00:45:52]  I figured he had the tanks strain of the virus.
[00:45:55]  Well, the thing that's was funny was that, like a day before the NHS or Ten Downing whoever said that that Bojo was being taken to the hospital uh, Russian state media said that he was on a ventilator.
[00:46:11]  Wow the, the Uk came out and was like that's fake news, this Russia fake news.
[00:46:19]  You know Russia Gate, whatever.
[00:46:22]  Um, but here's my theory on that, he absolutely already was.
[00:46:27]  Oh, because the Brits like a sieve, they cannot keep a secret to save their lives.
[00:46:33]  No, absolutely not.
[00:46:35]  The Cambridge country of gossipers, literally every single uh Briton was in the in various positions employed by the Soviet Union between 1945 and and and 1991.
[00:46:48]  Although I do like the idea of there being like a very handsome Russian spy who was romancing like an NHS nurse to get the goods on the prime minister's health, that's like very romantic.
[00:47:01]  Well, I will say he is the first Turkish head of state of a Non-turkish country head of government.
[00:47:08]  Head of government, excuse me.
[00:47:10]  So I I, I think he'll survive, just actually, you know what I?
[00:47:14]  I don't want to say I think he'll die, but i'm just like.
[00:47:16]  I know Covet has to kill one world leader, at least someone, somebody right.
[00:47:22]  And i'm gonna hear about how's a Wang Chuck Bhutan i'm talking about.
[00:47:26]  I'm talking about a big one.
[00:47:28]  I'm talking about, give me a Germany, give me a, give me a Ukraine.
[00:47:32]  Ukraine's still kind of second tier, but give me a Britain.
[00:47:35]  That'd be major, that would be major.
[00:47:37]  I okay question, what if it was all an elaborate op?
[00:47:43]  So, like the whole i'm just taking this as you mean Boris like for him to come back and be like, you know, keep bond, keep it strong, or whatever.
[00:47:54]  Imagine meme, yeah, just Winston Churchill, but like uh, more porcine yes, of course greasy yeah, greasier Churchill.
[00:48:05]  I know they've been trying to do like the whatever various like Brit cucks who like Boris Johnson have been trying to like draw fan art of him as Winston Churchill and it does not the hair does not work.
[00:48:17]  You cannot like Bojo.
[00:48:20]  I know you like Bojo because you're because I fuck this way fucking hate Bojo is because women are always charmed by Bojo.
[00:48:27]  I'm not charmed by him.
[00:48:28]  I just think he's funny.
[00:48:30]  He's clearly funny.
[00:48:31]  I mean, give me a fucking break.
[00:48:32]  I mean, the get Brexit, the Union Jack.
[00:48:37]  It's cool because he's just like, he so obviously like has such upper class disdain for most normal things.
[00:48:44]  Yeah.
[00:48:45]  But he tried, I will say he makes a good show of forcing himself.
[00:48:49]  Remember when he fucking, he's like suspended from the thing holding the flags.
[00:48:53]  Flying.
[00:48:56]  Amazing.
[00:48:56]  Just totally just evil can evil.
[00:48:59]  Great moment for the country.
[00:49:00]  Oh, yeah.
[00:49:01]  One of the high points in post-war Britain's history and dignity.
[00:49:07]  He has restored dignity to what I call the civilian crown.
[00:49:11]  I will say, I wish, I kind of was hoping that Bojo was going to, and the queen has become more active than usual.
[00:49:23]  You love this.
[00:49:23]  Go on.
[00:49:24]  The queen was going to dissolve parliament and step in, take over.
[00:49:29]  And just to piss off Megha Markle.
[00:49:32]  That would be fair.
[00:49:33]  And just had her assassinated.
[00:49:35]  No, you don't even need to because it's like, bye-bye, bitch.
[00:49:37]  You wanted to go to Hollywood?
[00:49:39]  Well, guess what?
[00:49:40]  Monarchy, we're back in charge.
[00:49:42]  Have fun.
[00:49:43]  Have fun selling fit tea, loser.
[00:49:45]  Yeah, exactly.
[00:49:46]  I will say, for people who are just tuning in now, Liz's long-running, she says it's like something she fears, but she gets such clear and undeniable joy from talking about it.
[00:49:58]  You should see her right now.
[00:49:59]  She's smiling.
[00:50:01]  She's smiling like a fool, grinning like a fool.
[00:50:05]  Liz's hope is that the monarchy of Britain will, by brute force, restore itself to power and finally gain full political control over.
[00:50:19]  That's not true.
[00:50:20]  I don't actually want that.
[00:50:21]  Do you, what, do you, would you like to do that?
[00:50:22]  No, because someone accused me online of being a monarchist.
[00:50:26]  I'm not a monarchist.
[00:50:27]  No.
[00:50:28]  No.
[00:50:29]  My God.
[00:50:29]  No.
[00:50:30]  Plus, you're Team Markle, right?
[00:50:32]  No.
[00:50:33]  Oh, okay.
[00:50:34]  No.
[00:50:37]  I didn't know.
[00:50:38]  This bitch, first of all, I hope now that you're in LA, back in LA or whatever, you can get your nose redone.
[00:50:45]  It's a perfect opportunity in quarantine to let it heal.
[00:50:48]  Terrible nose job.
[00:50:50]  But, oh, it's lost fault.
[00:50:53]  Second of all, no, I have no, I have no sympathy for I wanted to be so famous and become a princess and now I'm spinning leaving the monarchy as some courageous political act when it's like, no, you just want to be an international philanthropic celebrity, goop ex Michelle Obama or whatever.
[00:51:16]  Get a Netflix deal and talk about wellness and like saving children at the fucking UN.
[00:51:22]  It's like, bitch, I'm not falling for it.
[00:51:26]  I'm not a dum-dum.
[00:51:27]  I see it through you.
[00:51:29]  This girl, and I know this for a fact because I got my little boots on the ground in Hollyweird, that this girl's been trying to be famous for her entire life.
[00:51:40]  Oh, so this isn't her first shot at stardom.
[00:51:42]  No, well, she was an actress before, but even before that, she was like, you know, never mind.
[00:51:48]  I'm not even.
[00:51:48]  Oh, it's not a Patreon episode, so I'm going to be a little careful.
[00:51:52]  Whoa.
[00:51:52]  Okay, well, please text me the rest.
[00:51:55]  I'm just saying she had stars in her eyes that her and Harry were going to become like international bourgeois neoliberal globalist celebrities.
[00:52:06]  Chills.
[00:52:07]  You know, and guess what?
[00:52:09]  Even the idea of that post-COVID, not interested, not relevant.
[00:52:15]  So it would be fucking hilarious for her.
[00:52:18]  No, she put out a statement from Los Angeles saying it was like, oh, Harry and I really enjoyed the queen's speech.
[00:52:27]  We thought it was great for the nation.
[00:52:28]  It's like, bitch, you're not even here.
[00:52:30]  Go away.
[00:52:31]  Your nation?
[00:52:32]  You live in my nation now, lady.
[00:52:35]  That's, yeah.
[00:52:35]  You know what?
[00:52:36]  To me, you're the, you should be princess.

=== Next Level Brain Scheme (05:04) ===

[00:52:39]  Thank you.
[00:52:40]  I would, I would, you would, you would, I would love to see you atop a footman's ottoman.
[00:52:45]  What are the things that when I was a little kid, I used to say that I was, that the queen was named after me.
[00:52:51]  Oh, queen.
[00:52:52]  That's true.
[00:52:53]  They have to replace her with another Liz.
[00:52:56]  An Elizabeth, yes.
[00:52:57]  Elizabeth.
[00:52:58]  Elizabeth III.
[00:53:00]  I like where this is going.
[00:53:01]  I like what this is.
[00:53:02]  You know, I've been told I'm related to monarchy as well.
[00:53:08]  The Habsburgs.
[00:53:11]  It's a palanquin.
[00:53:14]  That's the things that they carry.
[00:53:15]  Palanquin.
[00:53:17]  What?
[00:53:17]  What is that?
[00:53:19]  The thing that they carry on their shoulders with the poles and then you're sitting on it.
[00:53:26]  I would love to see Liz on one of those.
[00:53:29]  Just as soon as I figure out what it is.
[00:53:32]  Well, on that note, you have to call me.
[00:53:35]  I have declared total core.
[00:53:37]  What?
[00:53:37]  What?
[00:53:38]  Did you say?
[00:53:38]  Sorry, I was, we supposed to start talking at the same time.
[00:53:41]  I have to call you what?
[00:53:44]  I was going to say queen, but we moved on from that bit.
[00:53:47]  No, I always call you queen.
[00:53:51]  I call you three things, Liz.
[00:53:53]  Two of them are unmentionable that I actually don't want to tell you.
[00:53:56]  No.
[00:53:57]  And one of them is queen.
[00:53:58]  Yeah.
[00:53:59]  What are the other two?
[00:54:01]  I'm not saying that on a podcast or to you personally.
[00:54:05]  That's really cruel, Brace.
[00:54:08]  Wow.
[00:54:09]  So I know one thing you call me.
[00:54:11]  What?
[00:54:11]  Cruel.
[00:54:13]  What if they're complimentary?
[00:54:15]  There's a chance.
[00:54:16]  There's a 50-50 chance that they're complimentary things.
[00:54:21]  All right, fine.
[00:54:22]  But there's also a 50 chance to not.
[00:54:25]  Oh, great.
[00:54:27]  I had a little, so that was, you know, I will say it was a heavy episode, but I do enjoy talking to you.
[00:54:34]  Oh, I like that too.
[00:54:37]  I mean, talking to myself.
[00:54:38]  Yes.
[00:54:39]  Yeah.
[00:54:39]  Oh, I have been, I was pacing in the, I'm not going to say what the parking lot I was in because then some psycho will figure out where I live.
[00:54:46]  But I was pacing in a parking lot talking to my beautiful analyst earlier about my deja vu I've been getting.
[00:54:52]  And so I want to put out the call there.
[00:54:54]  If any of our fans know why I get deja vu every single day, please.
[00:54:58]  Do you get it every day?
[00:54:59]  I get it a lot.
[00:55:00]  I get it practically every day.
[00:55:01]  Do you notice when you get it?
[00:55:03]  Yeah.
[00:55:03]  But like, do you know, obviously you notice when you get it, but like, do you notice like what, does something trigger it?
[00:55:08]  Or is it just?
[00:55:09]  So what's even weirder is like, and I can't tell if this is something that happens the first time I feel something.
[00:55:17]  Like, okay, the like moment that you're having deja vu of, right?
[00:55:22]  I feel like what happens is I remember like it's not just that I've already had it, but I remember thinking at the time this happened.
[00:55:34]  Yes.
[00:55:35]  Yes.
[00:55:36]  It's fucked.
[00:55:37]  I don't know what it is.
[00:55:38]  I think it's, I got to do more.
[00:55:40]  That's what I was like, I pledged to do tonight.
[00:55:42]  I'm going to do more research into deja vu because maybe that is like me pulling aside the curtain there.
[00:55:48]  Like we're crossing the Rubicon?
[00:55:50]  Like, yeah, maybe I'm going in.
[00:55:51]  Psychically?
[00:55:52]  Exactly.
[00:55:52]  Maybe I'm going from one tunnel, one end of the tunnel to the other.
[00:55:55]  Like, I don't know what's going on there.
[00:55:56]  Like, maybe I just started my life right now.
[00:55:58]  Well, I'm glitching.
[00:55:59]  It's a glitch.
[00:56:00]  In the matrix.
[00:56:02]  Yeah, I got to figure it out.
[00:56:03]  Hopefully by next episode, I'll have my full theory of deja vu.
[00:56:08]  But I have a feeling, I have a feeling it means that I'm on to something.
[00:56:12]  I like that theory.
[00:56:13]  Yeah.
[00:56:13]  I'm always thinking things.
[00:56:15]  And I was telling someone today that my scheme brain during quarantine, top notch.
[00:56:21]  I got to say, women's brains have like, you know how we only use 10% of our brain?
[00:56:25]  Women have started using 20% during quarantine.
[00:56:27]  Women be scheme men.
[00:56:29]  And exactly.
[00:56:30]  That is the 10% that is dedicated to schemes.
[00:56:32]  I've seen so many schemes hatched and unfolding since.
[00:56:36]  I showed you mine.
[00:56:38]  Sorting on according to plan.
[00:56:41]  I need you to text me it because I don't remember what it is.
[00:56:47]  But I'm sure that, of course, it's going very well.
[00:56:50]  I'm just wasting time while I can literally see Liz texting me right now.
[00:56:55]  I'm holding my phone up.
[00:56:56]  You know, we can see each other on camera.
[00:56:58]  I don't really know exactly what to say for the rest of the sentence.
[00:57:01]  Oh, yes, that's stupid.
[00:57:03]  Yes, absolutely going to work.
[00:57:04]  100%.
[00:57:05]  I believe in you.
[00:57:06]  You can do it.
[00:57:07]  And that's using 25% of your brain, honey.
[00:57:10]  Yeah, that's big brain scheme.
[00:57:12]  That's next level brain scheme.
[00:57:14]  I agree.
[00:57:15]  I support it.
[00:57:17]  Well, it has been a pleasure.
[00:57:21]  Yes, as always.
[00:57:23]  Signing out.
[00:57:24]  My name, of course, is King Earl Brace.
[00:57:31]  I'm the first kingly Earl.
[00:57:33]  Brace Belden.
[00:57:35]  I'm Liz.
[00:57:37]  Joined by producer and musician Young Chomsky.
[00:57:41]  And we'll see you next time.
[00:57:42]  Bye-bye.