True Anon Truth Feed - Episode 41: Death on the Consultant Plan
Aired: 2020-02-10
Duration: 01:12:23


=== Cannot Tell You No (03:58) ===

[00:00:02]  Hello, my little, my little friends.
[00:00:07]  This is latex Larry coming from Pod Slave America, the ultimate BDSM podcast.
[00:00:14]  We are so glad to be coming to you on the iHeartRadio Network.
[00:00:19]  And let me hear you out there.
[00:00:21]  I want all dubs, subs, doms, slaves, masters.
[00:00:28]  And I want everybody who has ever been hit with a whip to listen up because we are ready to roll.
[00:00:36]  I hate that.
[00:00:37]  You like that?
[00:00:38]  Oh, my God.
[00:00:40]  No?
[00:00:40]  You have nothing to put on but your chains.
[00:00:43]  Yeah, you have to listen.
[00:00:44]  Yeah.
[00:00:45]  We are, I am, I cannot tell you, I cannot tell you how enough how badly I do not want to be whipped by somebody.
[00:00:55]  We don't need to get into any of this.
[00:00:57]  I don't want to be, I don't want to be beaten.
[00:00:59]  I don't want to be made to walk like a dog on all fours.
[00:01:03]  My God, this FinDom thing?
[00:01:06]  That's where people pay people.
[00:01:08]  Girls make money.
[00:01:09]  Yeah.
[00:01:10]  Yeah, it's like the e-girl job.
[00:01:11]  But don't you just like not do anything and they just send you money?
[00:01:14]  Yeah, they're like, here is all my money.
[00:01:16]  And they want to be drained.
[00:01:19]  They call it being drained, which is really, I really don't like that.
[00:01:22]  Yeah, they're like, can you drain me?
[00:01:23]  And then you're like, yeah, I guess you probably do something else, but not sexual, I don't think.
[00:01:28]  And then they send you their money.
[00:01:29]  And presumably they commit the sin of onanism to that act.
[00:01:35]  Spill their seed upon the land, which I think is a sin.
[00:01:40]  I don't think that that's a good thing.
[00:01:43]  No.
[00:01:43]  And it's the thing is, here's the thing.
[00:01:45]  I want women to give me money.
[00:01:48]  So I'm like a reverse pay pig.
[00:01:50]  I'm a, well, I am a pay, I'm a pay hog.
[00:01:53]  I would like to hog all the pay that you get from your job.
[00:01:57]  You give it to me.
[00:01:59]  You should start that.
[00:02:00]  I'm the landlord of the house of love, baby.
[00:02:03]  Yeah, I don't know.
[00:02:03]  Liz, would you give me money?
[00:02:05]  No.
[00:02:05]  Under what circumstances would you give me $100?
[00:02:11]  If you really needed it.
[00:02:12]  Oh, that was an uncharacteristically sweet answer.
[00:02:15]  That's true.
[00:02:16]  I'm always sweet.
[00:02:18]  Yeah, I'm cowering right now.
[00:02:20]  I'm actually, I'm recording this.
[00:02:21]  Is this part of the Finn?
[00:02:24]  Yes, I gotcha.
[00:02:25]  I just domed you into doing this.
[00:02:50]  Welcome.
[00:02:51]  This is, my name is Dom Perignon, and welcome.
[00:02:55]  Welcome to the Exotic Car Plus Latex Slave.
[00:02:58]  Happy hour.
[00:02:59]  Okay, let's just shut this up.
[00:03:00]  When I was in LA, I don't know if I mentioned this in the past podcast, but we were in LA.
[00:03:04]  They were calling happy hour golden hour.
[00:03:06]  I know, you hated that.
[00:03:07]  I fucking hated that.
[00:03:08]  It doesn't sound right.
[00:03:09]  It's not, it's not right.
[00:03:11]  The golden hour, for those of you who don't have girlfriends, which should probably be close to 100%, a golden hour is what girls call the time of day when they go outside to take pictures of themselves.
[00:03:23]  Yeah, when the Instagram light is perfect.
[00:03:26]  When is it?
[00:03:26]  It's like five?
[00:03:27]  Yeah.
[00:03:28]  I guess it's sunset, right?
[00:03:29]  It's just what girls call sunset.
[00:03:30]  So like before sunset.
[00:03:32]  So when the sunset is above the but uh no, it's like a couple, like an hour or so before.
[00:03:41]  When I was in Afghanistan with Naval Intelligence, I remember there was this one day when we were driving down the Kabul Highway, the Kabul.
[00:03:49]  Kabul?
[00:03:50]  Kabul.
[00:03:51]  Okay.
[00:03:51]  Yeah, we were in the Humvee, and we were going about four miles an hour because we had several children stuck in the wheels.

=== Screaming Rat Fists (03:27) ===

[00:04:01]  And I was like, fellas, wouldn't it be crazy if we just stopped on the side of the road right now and just screamed and just yelled?
[00:04:10]  And I taught my friend.
[00:04:11]  That was when I taught an entire platoon of child-killing madmen how to primal scream.
[00:04:18]  Did it come in handy?
[00:04:19]  Yeah, I was eventually at a certain point.
[00:04:21]  So this was before McKinsey, but at a certain point when I was in the Navy, they plucked me from Afghanistan and they brought me to Quantico.
[00:04:30]  And they just had me take the guys out and we just primal screamed.
[00:04:35]  And now for those listeners out there who haven't done this before, what you do is you just go to your closest loved one or family member and then surprise them by screaming as loud as possible at them and weeping.
[00:04:50]  And it's nothing like it in the world.
[00:04:52]  It's free.
[00:04:52]  Okay, so I know you're like on extended bit, but legit think that Mayor Pete does that.
[00:05:00]  Oh, so, all right, we talked about this earlier.
[00:05:03]  I know we don't want to talk about all of it, but this his, do you think it's a sex thing?
[00:05:08]  What do you know?
[00:05:09]  It's just like, okay, I can't get the image of him making his little rat fist in the debate when he was angry.
[00:05:17]  Yeah, I've been hanging out with this for about eight hours and she said that she talked about this rat fist a lot.
[00:05:21]  It stuck with her.
[00:05:22]  A little monkey's paw that he makes fist.
[00:05:30]  And it's like, okay, I said the other night, like, I think Mayor Pete is a cutter.
[00:05:35]  Yeah.
[00:05:35]  Oh, yes.
[00:05:36]  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:05:37]  Because you could see, like, in his little beady rat eyes that he was trying.
[00:05:44]  It's like, I bet when he was making the little rat fist that he was like scratching the inside of his trying to make it bleed so he could like feel the anger.
[00:05:54]  He's got this Willard.
[00:05:55]  Have you seen Willard?
[00:05:56]  But I know.
[00:05:57]  He's got like a Willerdian energy.
[00:06:00]  I get scared.
[00:06:01]  Of rats?
[00:06:01]  Just of things.
[00:06:03]  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:06:05]  I mean, it's.
[00:06:06]  But I swear, like, I can see him, like.
[00:06:10]  What do you think he does?
[00:06:11]  It, legs?
[00:06:12]  I mean, that's classic.
[00:06:14]  He does have kind of that, like, teen girl.
[00:06:17]  Yeah, he does.
[00:06:18]  But, like, can't you also see him, like, getting off the phone, getting bad news from Liz Smith?
[00:06:25]  No relation.
[00:06:26]  Yes.
[00:06:27]  Well, the relation, there's one degree of separation because I did have sex with her.
[00:06:30]  Yeah, no relation to me.
[00:06:32]  Yeah.
[00:06:32]  But I mean, just both of you.
[00:06:35]  Excuse me?
[00:06:36]  I said, I know both of you.
[00:06:37]  I said, I know both of you.
[00:06:40]  Go on, go on.
[00:06:41]  Don't make me call up correct the record.
[00:06:44]  Go on, go on.
[00:06:45]  I'm going to keep saying speak on it.
[00:06:47]  Speak on it.
[00:06:48]  So can't, okay, can't you see him like having a bad call, getting bad news?
[00:06:52]  It would only be about like his chance to become world leader.
[00:06:55]  Yeah.
[00:06:56]  Nothing personal or anything like that.
[00:06:58]  He doesn't give a shit about anything.
[00:06:58]  I don't even, yeah, yeah.
[00:06:59]  Yeah.
[00:07:00]  And he like goes into his massive, like obnoxiously, like beautifully decorated kitchen and gets in the pantry, closes the door and like takes off his belt and just bites it down and is like, like screaming and like and fucking like gripping it so hard that like blood is streaming out of his cuticles and he's just like tears down his face.

=== Issues With Caucus Sites (06:01) ===

[00:07:28]  And then he's got like cheekbones at this point.
[00:07:30]  Like a fucking psycho, he just like calmly takes it out, puts it back on, wipes the sweat off his face.
[00:07:37]  Washes his hands for a long time.
[00:07:38]  Washes his hands and then is like, Jason, are we making, are we doing Bake ZD?
[00:07:46]  Is it baked ziti night?
[00:07:54]  So, as you may have surmised, we are reporting live on the campaign trail.
[00:07:58]  We have been attached to Tulsi Gabbard's campaign for the past two weeks.
[00:08:02]  Base Tulsi.
[00:08:04]  I have been doing, I'm her personal trainer.
[00:08:06]  I've been training her to combat the deep state.
[00:08:09]  We are, oh, young Chompsy's a little mad.
[00:08:11]  Well, sorry.
[00:08:12]  She's my client.
[00:08:15]  I have many clients, and she is one of them.
[00:08:18]  I also do Warren as well.
[00:08:21]  We do jogs together.
[00:08:23]  But we are hot off the heels of one of the second scandals of the century.
[00:08:29]  That didn't make sense.
[00:08:30]  Another scandal of this century, the Iowa Caucasus.
[00:08:34]  Yes, Caucasus Fracas.
[00:08:37]  And it's been a few days.
[00:08:39]  Liz and I have actually been on a Hawaiian cruise.
[00:08:43]  So we've really been unable to find out the results until tonight.
[00:08:46]  But I was pretty surprised.
[00:08:48]  Yeah, Jeb won.
[00:08:49]  Police clap.
[00:08:50]  Yeah.
[00:08:50]  Yeah.
[00:08:51]  And it turns out that Bernie Sanders with his racist coalition could not take out the Navy guy.
[00:09:01]  Oh, a little rat face.
[00:09:02]  Yeah.
[00:09:03]  Okay, so before we get into this, a couple things.
[00:09:06]  Introduce ourselves.
[00:09:07]  Yes.
[00:09:08]  My name is Liz.
[00:09:09]  My name is Pete Buttigieg's dead father, Joseph, who's a good one I haven't done yet.
[00:09:18]  Joseph Skorzani Buttigej.
[00:09:21]  And we are joined by one of my clients.
[00:09:23]  I'm a personal trainer, Young Chomsky, who's also producer of this podcast.
[00:09:27]  We do that in exchange for me doing weights with him or showing him how to do weights rather.
[00:09:32]  And we are Truanon.
[00:09:35]  Yes, Truanon.
[00:09:36]  And a bunch of people have asked us, we should say, to, as you were saying earlier, speak on it.
[00:09:44]  The Iowa Caucus Fracas.
[00:09:47]  The Raucus Caucus Fracas.
[00:09:50]  If I were the New York Post, that's what I would call it.
[00:09:53]  This is right in our field house, A. B, there is a Jeffrey Epstein connection with a certain shadowy corporation.
[00:10:01]  And C, it was a scandal.
[00:10:05]  It's all in the news.
[00:10:06]  It's all up in the papers.
[00:10:08]  Or is it?
[00:10:09]  We are ripping everything here for the headline.
[00:10:11]  So where should we start?
[00:10:12]  Oh, God.
[00:10:13]  Okay, so, well, a couple things.
[00:10:18]  Pete and Sanders are going to walk out with the same number of delegates, correct?
[00:10:23]  Yeah, well, I call them delis, but yeah, they both got dub delis.
[00:10:27]  Is dub 11?
[00:10:28]  No.
[00:10:29]  Dub is two.
[00:10:31]  Dub plus nine delis.
[00:10:33]  Yeah.
[00:10:33]  They each got 11 delegates.
[00:10:35]  Or that's what it seems like.
[00:10:37]  We are recording, what's today, Wednesday, Thursday?
[00:10:40]  Today's Saturday, Liz.
[00:10:43]  Today is Thursday.
[00:10:44]  It's Thursday night.
[00:10:45]  So God knows what's going to happen.
[00:10:49]  We were just at the Tartine Workers Organizing Rally.
[00:10:55]  Very good.
[00:10:56]  Couple hundred people there.
[00:10:57]  Very good showing.
[00:10:58]  Very exciting.
[00:10:59]  The Bay Area.
[00:11:00]  New Bakers Union in San Francisco.
[00:11:04]  And after the rally, I was looking at my phone and it seems like lots of things are changing real quick.
[00:11:10]  So we're going to just try and go with what we know.
[00:11:12]  Yeah.
[00:11:13]  So apologies if things change by the time this comes out.
[00:11:17]  But our analysis will still be relevant because we are big brains over here at Turnon.
[00:11:24]  And we're correct.
[00:11:25]  I also have big muscles, but yeah, big brains as well.
[00:11:28]  I'm the brains.
[00:11:29]  He's the bronze.
[00:11:31]  Yes.
[00:11:32]  I am the bronze, the brains age pervert.
[00:11:36]  And so, well, so what happened?
[00:11:39]  We had two caucuses, right?
[00:11:40]  It was the first, they call it the first in the nation.
[00:11:43]  And Iowa is actually, it's crazy.
[00:11:45]  It is the home of the KKK.
[00:11:47]  About 45 to 55% of the population is in the Klan.
[00:11:51]  And apparently, Bernie Sanders was able to win them over.
[00:11:55]  No, okay.
[00:11:56]  So I think every one of our listeners know by now the Ohio caucus was a fucking disaster.
[00:12:03]  It was chaos.
[00:12:05]  There was a bunch of caucus sites that were misreporting data.
[00:12:11]  It looks like there were some issues with rounding.
[00:12:14]  I don't know if you saw that one.
[00:12:15]  Yeah, but I was kind of sympathetic to that because I also have issues with rounding.
[00:12:20]  Yeah, there are just some weird mornings around too many women.
[00:12:24]  But beyond like the actual literal issues, it seems like the bigger issue has been the discourse.
[00:12:33]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:12:34]  I've been unhappy with it.
[00:12:36]  And it seems, here's the thing.
[00:12:38]  I think a lot of people, there's a big difference between 2016 and 2012, 2020, 2020, 2020.
[00:12:47]  Because I think in 2016, there was a lot of people who maybe like didn't really get how things worked entirely yet.
[00:12:53]  And they were like, why is the New York Times being so unfair?
[00:12:56]  Or like, why is MSNBC saying something that I know isn't true?
[00:13:00]  They must just be wrong.
[00:13:02]  Or they must be stupid.
[00:13:03]  They're just dumb and got it wrong.
[00:13:07]  Or they're selling me out or something like that.
[00:13:09]  And I think in 2020, a lot of people realized that, no, like we're dealing with an enemy that has many, a snake with many heads.
[00:13:18]  Yes.
[00:13:18]  The many-headed hydra.
[00:13:19]  Octopus.
[00:13:21]  I've, you know.
[00:13:23]  The coctopus.
[00:13:25]  Yeah.
[00:13:26]  That's where I was going with that.
[00:13:27]  Not the other thing.
[00:13:28]  Yeah.
[00:13:28]  Well, it's a little Jewy.

=== Many-Headed Snake (15:52) ===

[00:13:30]  Okay.
[00:13:30]  Let's do snake.
[00:13:31]  Okay.
[00:13:32]  Yeah.
[00:13:34]  So it's the many-headed hydra.
[00:13:37]  And one of those heads is media.
[00:13:39]  Yes.
[00:13:39]  And boy, has that snake been hissing?
[00:13:42]  Yeah, I think it's been interesting because it seems like one of the battles in the discourse has been, is this a conspiracy or is this like idiocy?
[00:13:56]  And it's funny.
[00:13:57]  Or like, you know, just incompetency, I should say.
[00:14:00]  It's probably better.
[00:14:02]  Yeah.
[00:14:02]  And I really like, I don't think that's like a helpful way of even like framing this.
[00:14:11]  Okay, speak on it.
[00:14:13]  I just think that like, you know, because basically, you know, a bunch of Bernie people, and I'm sympathetic to this, you know, feeling is, you know, they're like, this is rigged.
[00:14:27]  We're being robbed.
[00:14:29]  Yes.
[00:14:30]  You know, this is a conspiracy, et cetera, et cetera.
[00:14:33]  And then you've got other people on the other side that are like, it's not a conspiracy.
[00:14:39]  It's just that everyone's incompetent.
[00:14:42]  Right.
[00:14:44]  And I just think that this is like, this is something I say a lot on this podcast and elsewhere.
[00:14:50]  So apologies that I keep repeating myself.
[00:14:53]  But like the incompetency is a feature, not a bug.
[00:14:59]  Yeah.
[00:15:00]  Right.
[00:15:00]  And so the idea of this being like, like, it's kind of both and is kind of what I'm getting at.
[00:15:08]  Like the fact that all of these institutions, and we'll get into the apps and the companies and the private contracts and basically the entire grift of political consultancy, like as a fucking business and occupation.
[00:15:26]  Like the fact that those people are absolutely undeniably incompetent is like part of the existence of that, those institutions.
[00:15:38]  So like you can't separate out like the sort of the liars, the thieves, and the sort of scam artists who make up the consulting class from like the Democratic Party, for instance.
[00:15:50]  And from their function within the party.
[00:15:52]  Yeah.
[00:15:52]  And that function is to do exactly like what happened, for instance.
[00:15:56]  Yeah.
[00:15:56]  And not in a sense that like, like, look, it doesn't have, it doesn't have to be, and it isn't a smoke-filled room.
[00:16:04]  Yeah.
[00:16:04]  These institutions are structurally like their existence is for like in order to ensure the incompetency.
[00:16:16]  Like, it's not, I mean, I know, it's not that explicit, but like, that's what the entire, you know, that's the whole grift.
[00:16:26]  Yeah.
[00:16:26]  I mean, like, with these, with these companies, especially that were involved in Iowa, I mean, it's like these same kind of crew of people, they sort of just float from campaign to campaign or project to project, and they make a lot of money.
[00:16:38]  Yeah, I mean, that's the thing.
[00:16:39]  Okay, so, and apologies because I'm like kind of jumping all over the place, but it's like, you know, a lot of people rightly pointed out that, for example, there are people affiliated with the Mayor Pete campaign that also were affiliated with the companies involved in the development of the app that broke the entire caucus,
[00:17:02]  who were also involved in 2016, you know, Hillary Pax, who are also involved with or come out of the kind of what I call at least the Obama boys, which is like the original media grifter consultant class, right?
[00:17:19]  And it's like, this isn't like conspiracy.
[00:17:23]  It's not a conspiracy.
[00:17:24]  It's that these people all make up the consulting class.
[00:17:27]  Exactly.
[00:17:27]  Or like, it's like, I think to put it a different way too, like, this isn't a conspiracy because they're not the intruders like you are.
[00:17:35]  Right.
[00:17:36]  Like they're not, like, this is their thing that like you're entering into.
[00:17:40]  This isn't like your thing you share with them or your thing that they're messing up or like a neutral party that like both of you are entering and they're fucking up.
[00:17:47]  This is their thing.
[00:17:49]  Like they are the Democratic Party.
[00:17:51]  You're just some fucking schmuck.
[00:17:52]  Right.
[00:17:53]  And I mean, these guys have been, I mean, so what happened in Iowa is that the fucking app that they use to tabulate the results and to have the caucus, the people who are sort of chairing the caucuses, each site send in the results, it just didn't work.
[00:18:10]  Right.
[00:18:11]  And we've been wondering about this app for a while, haven't we?
[00:18:16]  Like we've both been sort of curious about it.
[00:18:18]  Yeah, there were a couple like news stories that came out like before the caucus, I think late January, that were basically flagging this and saying, okay, they're going to use an app that no one knows where it came from, who it's been tested against, or like who made it.
[00:18:37]  Well, the only name that we had that was associated with it was one Robert Mook or Robbie Mook.
[00:18:45]  Bob Mook.
[00:18:46]  He should go by that.
[00:18:48]  Bob Mook.
[00:18:48]  And Bob Mook is the sort of the Obergruppenführer of the Clinton campaign.
[00:18:55]  He was what?
[00:18:56]  She is a fucking, I mean, hey, speak on it.
[00:18:59]  Yeah.
[00:18:59]  Well, don't, don't mind me, sister.
[00:19:03]  So he was, I think, what was he, our campaign manager?
[00:19:06]  So he was the campaign manager of the Hillary Clinton campaign.
[00:19:11]  And he famously did a really bullshit job, which, by the way, I don't want Hillary Clinton to win.
[00:19:18]  So it's not my fucking problem.
[00:19:20]  You know what's funny is that, and this has also been lost to, this has been like memory hold or whatever people say.
[00:19:27]  Is that what people say?
[00:19:29]  I mean, I don't know.
[00:19:30]  I pretty much only talked to you and you.
[00:19:32]  Okay, anyway.
[00:19:33]  But they had the thing that Robbie Mook developed for that campaign was like an algorithm.
[00:19:41]  Okay.
[00:19:42]  You remember this?
[00:19:42]  Speak on it.
[00:19:43]  Yeah.
[00:19:44]  So they had an algorithm that was telling them how to allocate campaign resources and get voters out.
[00:19:50]  And it was this whole thing.
[00:19:51]  And they built it up like this is this tech first campaign.
[00:19:55]  We're doing all this, blah, blah, blah.
[00:19:57]  And the algorithm, oh man, the algorithm had a name too.
[00:20:00]  It was like Alice or something like that.
[00:20:03]  Yeah, here.
[00:20:03]  Let me look it up.
[00:20:04]  But yeah, just keep talking.
[00:20:05]  And anyway, like, obviously, hello, that didn't work.
[00:20:10]  She's not the fucking president.
[00:20:12]  And they've just completely like buried any memory that this was like their biga.
[00:20:19]  That's right.
[00:20:20]  Ada Braun.
[00:20:21]  No.
[00:20:23]  Anyway, it's just really funny.
[00:20:25]  Yeah.
[00:20:26]  And while he's back, he is serving as a consultant for a little company I like to call acronym.
[00:20:33]  Acronym is a nonprofit that is started by a woman named Tara McGowan, which that last name should give you a little bit of pause, and a guy named Michael Dubin, who is the third in the polycule of Glenn and Eva Dubin, who were Epstein associates.
[00:20:47]  Just making that up.
[00:20:48]  He is actually, it's even worse.
[00:20:49]  He's the guy who made up the Dollar Shave Club.
[00:20:53]  So they are sort of the people who started this project.
[00:20:56]  It's a nonprofit to sort of get down to digital.
[00:20:59]  Tara McGowan is a former Obama 2012, which was the easy one.
[00:21:04]  They were both pretty easy.
[00:21:05]  2012, which was the easier one.
[00:21:07]  She was the digital person.
[00:21:09]  And she decided that, like, hey, the Democrats, they got smoked by Trump in the 2016 campaign on digital because Hillary Clinton's probably the least likable person since Ada von Braun.
[00:21:23]  And she was like, well, I got to bring this, I got to bring this to another level.
[00:21:27]  So she's like, I need to raise $75 million.
[00:21:29]  And she's with the guy, Michael Dubin.
[00:21:31]  And we are going to turn things around for the Democrats.
[00:21:33]  So this is where things get a little cool.
[00:21:35]  A guy named Reed Hoffman.
[00:21:38]  You know, Reid Hoffman, who is, I believe, the LinkedIn CEO.
[00:21:45]  Well, I was trying to think of another like SS title, but they're all just variations of Group and Fuhrer.
[00:21:50]  He is the LinkedIn guy.
[00:21:52]  And this is according to reporting from Max Blumenthal at the Grey Zone.
[00:21:58]  He came in and helped give Tara a big boost.
[00:22:02]  And he started a firm investing in like U.S. digital, excuse me, it's called Investing U.S., and they invested in sort of digital stuff for Democrats.
[00:22:10]  Now, the cool thing is about Reid Hoffman is Reid Hoffman, of course, is a billionaire.
[00:22:14]  And billionaires do this really cool thing where they hang out with Jeffrey Epstein.
[00:22:18]  And so in 2015, you might recall, this was sort of a minor piece of news next to the Joy Ito stuff.
[00:22:27]  Hoffman invited Joy Ito and Jeffrey Epstein to a dinner in Palo Alto in 2015 with Elon Musk, Mark Zuckerberg, and Peter Thiel, who, by the way, I'm too afraid to even do that special number.
[00:22:45]  Don't do the sound.
[00:22:46]  I'm too afraid.
[00:22:46]  Yeah.
[00:22:48]  That's a serious guy.
[00:22:49]  That's a serious fucker.
[00:22:50]  Yeah.
[00:22:51]  Like, it's not, don't, don't, that's, that's black magic evil spirits right there.
[00:22:55]  Yeah.
[00:22:57]  Anyways, so this is a quote Grey Zone sort of plucked out about Reid Hoffman's thing.
[00:23:02]  And he had a little guy named Melhorn, who was sort of his, his little, uh, his little worm boy in charge.
[00:23:09]  There was no risk capital or growth capital arm of the resistance.
[00:23:12]  So that is what we've tried to build.
[00:23:13]  Now, in terms of what that implies, that implies that we are backing founders.
[00:23:17]  So people who we think have big, potentially game-changing ideas.
[00:23:21]  And one of those people was Tara McGowan, who started this acronym thing.
[00:23:25]  Acronym is, it did this cool thing where they're a nonprofit but owns for-profit companies, which doesn't seem right to me.
[00:23:33]  And Tara herself is a consulting firm and etc.
[00:23:37]  Yeah, basically, I mean, that's the whole, this is one of the griffs, right?
[00:23:41]  And this is kind of a famous, you know, this is a little trick where acronym is a 501c4 nonprofit, but then it has a web beneath it of for-profit companies.
[00:23:58]  So there was Lockwood Strategy, Shadow, the one that developed the app.
[00:24:02]  Yeah.
[00:24:03]  One called Rogue Swag.
[00:24:06]  So Rogue Swag, they actually just made bootleg stuff for the Star Wars film Rogue One.
[00:24:11]  No, that's actually Trump is the one.
[00:24:12]  What's funny?
[00:24:13]  And this is from like a, there was, there's that, do you remember it's called Ozzy?
[00:24:18]  And they did like a festival.
[00:24:19]  Ozzy Y.
[00:24:20]  Yeah, Okay, so this is like, there was a profile on her in that dumbass fucking blog or whatever they are.
[00:24:27]  That's another, look, Ozzy, this is part of the consultancy media.
[00:24:32]  Exactly.
[00:24:32]  Like, do you know that no one's like paying for, but there's millions of dollars here.
[00:24:37]  Yes.
[00:24:37]  This all ties in with private equity, with people dumping money and investment, and it's a fucking scam.
[00:24:42]  Anyway, this is rogue swag, an apparel arm that would be the first major liberal answer to conservative companies that skirt campaign finance laws by selling politically branded clothing over Facebook.
[00:24:55]  Oh, is that what?
[00:24:57]  Spreading political messaging without having to report the spending.
[00:25:00]  Okay.
[00:25:01]  So like t-shirts that say like, for instance, Darth Putin.
[00:25:04]  Yes, exactly.
[00:25:05]  But Darth is, or Don Putin.
[00:25:08]  But what, so basically the whole little trick is that acronym can maintain its nonprofit status.
[00:25:15]  Very cool.
[00:25:16]  Cool.
[00:25:16]  While having these for-profit companies under it.
[00:25:20]  Now, you know, Tara, Tara, Tara.
[00:25:25]  I'm calling a Tara because it's kind of like a not as Tara sounds a little too sexy for me.
[00:25:29]  Whatever, you know, she would have, she wouldn't take a salary from the nonprofit, but she could pay herself from the for-profit.
[00:25:39]  So that's kind of the little griff.
[00:25:41]  So for instance, acronym or their PAC, they have a PAC called Pacronym.
[00:25:47]  Peace on it, sister.
[00:25:48]  That's a right there.
[00:25:49]  Yeah, give us a Pacronym.
[00:25:52]  So Pacronym can do something that I think is really cool, like pay Lockwood Strategies.
[00:25:56]  Pacronym, which is the PAC for Acronym, the company that the nonprofit this woman is in charge of, they can get a million dollars and then they can give that million dollars to her consulting company.
[00:26:08]  And then they spend it on advertising in, I think, Pennsylvania for Democrats.
[00:26:12]  And her own personal whatever.
[00:26:15]  She can just spend it.
[00:26:16]  Yeah, because here it is.
[00:26:17]  Acronym spokesman declined to reveal McGowan's salary, but confirmed she does not own any equity in the for-profit companies, aka she doesn't own equity.
[00:26:25]  She's getting a salary.
[00:26:27]  And here's the thing too: whenever you hear anything like that, they are getting money.
[00:26:30]  They just like are able to hide it.
[00:26:33]  Yeah.
[00:26:33]  Never believe a word that these fucking these ghouls have to say.
[00:26:37]  Privately, Washington consultants gripe that her non-profit umbrella model is duplicitous because she could still be paying herself exorbitant amounts through the private companies beneath it.
[00:26:48]  And that is what we're trying to get at.
[00:26:49]  This is the whole entire structure.
[00:26:52]  It's a way of legally laundering money.
[00:26:56]  Yeah.
[00:26:58]  And that's the thing is like these people, this is like good to them because these are like, you know how I think some people still think that we're like kind of all on the same side or whatever.
[00:27:08]  We just believe it by degrees.
[00:27:10]  It's like these people don't.
[00:27:11]  Yeah, we're just going to push these people left.
[00:27:12]  These people do not, cannot, will never believe what you believe.
[00:27:16]  They will always believe the exact opposite.
[00:27:20]  Like they hate you.
[00:27:21]  They think of you like a little piggy that they can skin bacon slices off of, fry up, and then fucking eat you.
[00:27:29]  I mean, I think too, it's just that, you know, you know, like I was saying, like, okay, this company is structured to launder money to their, to the owner.
[00:27:40]  When you put it that way, respect.
[00:27:42]  But yeah, go on.
[00:27:43]  Now, what's key is it's also structured to bleed off and get private contracts from the DNC.
[00:27:51]  Yes.
[00:27:52]  And from politicians.
[00:27:53]  And, you know, crucially from state parties and local parties.
[00:27:58]  Because they go to them and they say, hey, Trump's really killing you in the meme war.
[00:28:04]  Yeah.
[00:28:05]  And then the guys go, oh, you're right.
[00:28:08]  Meme war.
[00:28:08]  That sounds serious.
[00:28:09]  We better get some money by some money on this.
[00:28:11]  And they say, well, look at that.
[00:28:13]  We got, we're going to use $75 million to do something.
[00:28:17]  Well, I can tell you something.
[00:28:19]  I can tell you something they did.
[00:28:20]  What?
[00:28:20]  That fucking little, that little, that gift picture you've been seeing of Nancy Pelosi ripping the papers.
[00:28:27]  That is part of the Democrats' digital strategy.
[00:28:30]  And I guarantee you with no, like 0% uncertainty, that she was told to do that by someone exactly like Tara McGowan so that people could make memes out of it.
[00:28:42]  Like that is, that is a, like you saw, you showed me earlier, she pre-ripped the papers under the table.
[00:28:47]  That stuff like that, stunts like that, those are entirely, like that is part of the Democrats' digital strategy because they think they can win the meme war against Trump, which they cannot.
[00:28:57]  Yeah.
[00:28:58]  And here's the other thing that I'm trying to get at is that it's not just that these people are dumb.
[00:29:03]  Of course they're dumb.
[00:29:04]  Everyone's dumb except for us and you listening to us.
[00:29:08]  But it's not that they're dumb.
[00:29:11]  It's that literally their jobs are dependent on them losing.
[00:29:16]  And it's not even conscious.
[00:29:19]  I'm not saying that this is a conscious whatever.

=== The Media's Role in Expanding Markets (12:36) ===

[00:29:22]  But in order for these consultancy grifts to keep flowing and crucially to keep expanding, they have to keep opening up new markets for them to exist.
[00:29:35]  And the only way to do that is, well, this is, look, I know that whatever.
[00:29:41]  I don't know if people think I'm like a vulgar Marxist or whatever, but this is true.
[00:29:45]  Okay.
[00:29:46]  I think you're a refined Marxist.
[00:29:47]  Thank you.
[00:29:49]  You know, it is dependent on all these new markets for this consulting class opening up is absolutely dependent on other things collapsing.
[00:30:03]  Yeah.
[00:30:03]  Right.
[00:30:04]  So, I mean, losing, losing the 26 campaign to Trump to a lot of these people was not like a ticket to the, you know, they're not getting the breadline after that.
[00:30:14]  They are getting in the bread line for more money.
[00:30:18]  I really feel guilty about saying that.
[00:30:20]  Yeah.
[00:30:21]  Yeah.
[00:30:21]  I we'll just move on.
[00:30:24]  They like that was Tara McGowan would not be getting $75 million to make fucking Facebook ads and TikToks or whatever if Clinton had won.
[00:30:36]  Yeah.
[00:30:37]  She's getting like 25 million.
[00:30:39]  Well, again, and this is where I want to be like clear is that, again, it's, we're not asserting that these people are, it's a conspiracy to lose.
[00:30:50]  You know, it's that idiots and incompetency is literally rewarded and incentivized because it continues the grift.
[00:31:00]  Yeah.
[00:31:00]  Right.
[00:31:01]  So it's not a conspiracy, but it's also not just dumb people.
[00:31:05]  It's that the structures and the like, you know, the ability for those structures to not only continue to exist, but to continue it to expand is dependent on incompetency and incompetency and incompetency.
[00:31:23]  Yeah.
[00:31:23]  So this is all like, it doesn't matter that like Shadow fucked up the Iowa caucuses.
[00:31:29]  You know, it's, it's, it'll be fine for these.
[00:31:32]  Do you think that like Robbie Mook is going to, or David Plouf is going to stop getting invited on fucking MSNBC or CNN panels?
[00:31:38]  Absolutely not.
[00:31:40]  Like this is all, and this is true for the media as well.
[00:31:43]  And this is why I despise the media so much is because all of this is just a way for them to make money.
[00:31:51]  Like that's why that's why Trump was the greatest thing that ever happened to CNN or MSNBC or any of these people, especially MSNBC and CNN, is because their radians went through the fucking roof.
[00:32:03]  Because the whole thing, the whole like theatrics of the impeachment, the whole theatrics of the midterms, all of this shit is a way for them to sell advertising.
[00:32:11]  Like that's what it is.
[00:32:12]  And for all these other people, all this is a way for them to make more money too.
[00:32:16]  Exactly.
[00:32:16]  So what you are is you're, I'm saying again, you're like a little piggy to them.
[00:32:21]  So David Dayan, who I really like, had a great piece on this prospect.
[00:32:29]  And I just want to read a little bit from it because I think he says it clearer than I probably am.
[00:32:35]  But he writes, But the spectacle has highlighted a much more consequential problem in America, something I have coined, the bullshit economy.
[00:32:44]  We've seen elements of it over all over the place.
[00:32:47]  When MoviePass offered unlimited screenings for 10 bucks a month, when Uber gets 82 billion valuation for a low-margin taxi business it has never made a dime on, when WeWork implodes after the slightest scrutiny into its numbers, that's the bullshit economy at work.
[00:33:02]  We have seen the farcical bullshit of Juicero and the consequential bullshit of Theranos.
[00:33:08]  All this doublespeak is a hallmark of the bullshit economy.
[00:33:11]  Your mind doesn't have to travel to the nether regions of conspiracy, but you can hardly blame people for doing so.
[00:33:18]  This is reflective of the rolling incompetence covered by confidence within the modern economy, especially when you sprinkle on the labor-saving promise of Tectopia.
[00:33:27]  What the bullshit economy fails, when the bullshit economy fails, it robs people's belief in the basic bargain of commerce.
[00:33:36]  The idea that you get what you pay for, that companies operate in good faith to provide quality service.
[00:33:41]  But when placed in contact with politics, it just demolishes faith in the system.
[00:33:46]  The bullshit economy spurs distrust.
[00:33:50]  And I think that's, look, there is, and this is, you know, what he gets at, there is a straight line from the fucking WeWork CEO to acronym to the pod boys, the Obama boys, to the way Nancy Pelosi fucking takes on impeachment or whatever she's on.
[00:34:12]  It's all bullshit.
[00:34:14]  Yeah, yeah, yeah, it is.
[00:34:16]  And it's funny.
[00:34:17]  These guys are involved.
[00:34:18]  Like, this is, those guys, first of all, are literally all connected to this.
[00:34:23]  Like, all the Pod Save America guys.
[00:34:25]  I mean, they party with these people.
[00:34:26]  I think one of them serves on the board of acronym, David Ploof.
[00:34:29]  You talk about Uber.
[00:34:30]  I mean, I'll get to that later.
[00:34:32]  But David Plouff, who fucking is on the board of goddamn acronym, he fucking works for Uber.
[00:34:37]  It's like all of this is connected.
[00:34:39]  And they're all making so much money doing something that seems not just like meaningless, but like meaningless and harmful.
[00:34:48]  Yeah, well, it is literally the ultimate triumph of exchange value over use value.
[00:34:53]  Uh-huh.
[00:34:54]  Speak on it.
[00:34:55]  So, I mean, you know, the party itself is structured to fail and to lose.
[00:35:01]  It is not a coincidence or like an oopsie that the Democrats lost 1,000 seats in the state's legislatures in eight years.
[00:35:12]  Yeah.
[00:35:12]  That was Obama.
[00:35:14]  It is not a coincidence that Obama failed to appoint judges.
[00:35:20]  Yeah.
[00:35:21]  Oh, you think that like it's okay?
[00:35:23]  Go on.
[00:35:24]  You know, I have a real question on whether or not Obama became president to get a Netflix deal.
[00:35:33]  Oh, okay.
[00:35:34]  Yes.
[00:35:34]  What's the bigger prize?
[00:35:36]  That's what I'm saying.
[00:35:37]  These people. are fucking grifters.
[00:35:40]  Yes.
[00:35:41]  It's all bullshit.
[00:35:42]  It's all, it's like the fucking ultimate unending content mill that they just keep fucking going back to the trough at and building on more bullshit and more bullshit that doesn't fucking mean anything.
[00:35:56]  And like David Dayan says, this is attached to politics and to fucking political institutions.
[00:36:03]  This is a collapse you're witnessing.
[00:36:05]  Well, check this out, though.
[00:36:06]  Trump, for instance, I mean, I think a large part of how and why he became president is his brand, right?
[00:36:14]  I mean, think of how well, think of how insanely well Donald Trump is going to do financially after he leaves the White House.
[00:36:22]  I mean, obviously, we all know he's using it for like, you know, money purposes, like all of them do, but he's just like more out and kind of open about it.
[00:36:31]  It's, it, it makes sense.
[00:36:33]  He's like the distillation of this sort of vulgar political project, right?
[00:36:39]  Yeah.
[00:36:40]  Yeah.
[00:36:40]  I mean, he, look, people are going to get mad at me for saying this, but it's true.
[00:36:44]  Trump has more in common with Obama than anyone wants to admit.
[00:36:48]  Okay.
[00:36:49]  In terms of his, he is a complete and total exaggeration to the cartoonish level of the dark sides and the dark trajectory that every president has been on.
[00:37:05]  You know, it's like, it's just leading up to this cartoon version of Trump.
[00:37:08]  Yeah.
[00:37:09]  But what's the difference between the way Obama is getting rich off the presidency and the way that Trump will?
[00:37:14]  I mean, because Obama's doing it in like a way with Netflix, which is a cool company, but Trump will do it with a not cool company.
[00:37:22]  Yeah.
[00:37:22]  What's the fucking difference between Netflix and OAN?
[00:37:26]  Materially.
[00:37:27]  None, dude.
[00:37:28]  Exactly.
[00:37:28]  And this is the kind of bullshit I'm fucking sick of.
[00:37:31]  Well, here's the thing.
[00:37:32]  I think people have a conception of Netflix or, you know, whatever company you want to stand in there.
[00:37:38]  But like Netflix type company is there as like somehow less fucked up than like an OAN.
[00:37:46]  Yeah, it's the same shit.
[00:37:47]  People like Target is nicer than Walmart.
[00:37:49]  Yeah, because they do maybe some.
[00:37:51]  Because they fall for all the branding bullshit.
[00:37:53]  It's all just branding, which is another grift.
[00:37:55]  And I think a lot of people, whether they believe it or not, think about this.
[00:37:59]  Speaking of Robbie Mook, think about like this.
[00:38:02]  When Robbie Mook was advised by Harvey Weinstein to call, to sort of quash Erica Garner's endorsement of Bernie Sanders and to basically imply that Sanders is racist and that he's bad on guns or whatever.
[00:38:15]  And the Clinton campaign really went with that.
[00:38:16]  Tom Perez, I think, kind of advised him on this too.
[00:38:20]  Yeah.
[00:38:20]  Tom Perez was like, Clinton's be racist.
[00:38:22]  Or excuse me, tell people Bernie Sanders is racist.
[00:38:27]  And I think that like that branding worked on people, whether they believe it or not.
[00:38:31]  So I think there's a lot of like, or whether they say they believe it or not.
[00:38:34]  So I think there's a lot of people kind of walking around who are like big Sanders people in 2016 who have this like slight sense of shame because like all, you know, for all the, you know, shrugging off the Bernie Bro stuff and the socialism's racist stuff and all this Bernie Sanders is a Nazi kind of stuff.
[00:38:50]  I think a little bit of it stuck because these people are nothing if not good at branding, right?
[00:38:55]  So you had a lot of people after 2016 being like, well, the left just needs to do better on race.
[00:39:01]  And like, you know, I'm not saying that the left is perfect on race.
[00:39:04]  You know, that's not the point of what I'm saying.
[00:39:06]  Well, it's saying it's, yeah, sorry.
[00:39:08]  I'm saying it is, it is, it is a hell of a lot better than fucking Hillary Clinton.
[00:39:14]  And I think a lot of people, and I've met a lot of people who buy into this just a little bit, is that socialism was somehow inherently like racist or like for white people.
[00:39:25]  And it's, it's, it's, you're, you're saying that because that like was transmitted to you and you believe it because of that.
[00:39:31]  Yeah.
[00:39:32]  One thing I'll say about that, let's see if I get in trouble for this.
[00:39:35]  We'll find out.
[00:39:37]  Is that the problem with people, and I do agree with you that a lot of that was internalized unconsciously or subconsciously, is that it rather than fighting back on those claims, it absorbs the premise of the question and then counters it.
[00:40:00]  So it says, and this is a big problem I have is that they say, well, actually, while white, you know, working class has meant white working class, but what it really means is, and it's like, no, no, no.
[00:40:12]  Working class is in and of itself, when you say it, always already multiracial.
[00:40:19]  Yeah.
[00:40:20]  It is always already a category that includes all identities.
[00:40:26]  It is all identities are subsumed under the moniker working class.
[00:40:30]  What you reject is even the idea that it has ever meant white working class.
[00:40:36]  It has never meant that.
[00:40:37]  It has always just meant working class.
[00:40:39]  Yeah, the working classes, whatever.
[00:40:41]  Yeah, yeah, exactly.
[00:40:42]  So, you know, I completely agree with you.
[00:40:46]  And so what you have is then, and this is what you're saying, when you see people internalizing that little Democrat brain, so they say, well, it isn't a white working class.
[00:40:57]  It's or while it's meant white while it's been known as the white working class, it's actually our white, our working class coalition is XYZ, blah, Yeah.
[00:41:10]  And it's very subtle, but it is absorbing and basically like refracting.
[00:41:17]  Yeah, it's acknowledging the critique as legitimate by saying that it needs to push back on it rather than just rejecting it wholesale.
[00:41:26]  Yeah.
[00:41:26]  That makes sense.
[00:41:27]  Yeah.
[00:41:27]  And I feel like a lot of people think they have to because, I mean, listen, you had the entire like state apparatus and I include the media and politicians and everybody telling you one thing.
[00:41:38]  And I think if you grow up, sort of somebody who like maybe hasn't, hasn't really been able to fully flesh out what they believe or like know all the history or like really be engaged in it before, you know, maybe a couple months before you hear this.
[00:41:50]  But hearing this from all those people, it's like, well, they wouldn't lie to me, right?
[00:41:53]  Like, I know we all kind of want the same thing, like liberalism.
[00:41:56]  And, you know, we've been through this before.
[00:41:57]  I won't repeat myself.

=== Non-Traditional Election Challenges (14:29) ===

[00:41:59]  But like, it's, these people do not care.
[00:42:04]  Like, I don't know how many, I'm going to have to say this a million times.
[00:42:07]  These people don't care about like racism.
[00:42:10]  Like Hillary Clinton doesn't care about racism.
[00:42:13]  Robbie Mook doesn't care about like Black Lives Matter or any of these things.
[00:42:17]  They're fucking, they're vampires.
[00:42:19]  Like they are literally undead, like ghouls who will kill you.
[00:42:25]  And like you, like you wouldn't, you wouldn't, if someone is knocking on your door and just yelling lies at you, you're not going to let them in, you know, hear them out, have a cup of joe with them, and then see them out the door and think about what they said for the rest of the day.
[00:42:40]  No, you shoot them on the doorstep.
[00:42:42]  And like, that's, that's, I think what people should do.
[00:42:45]  just just to hell with it all you know let's talk about iowa I don't know how long we've been going for, but let's talk about Iowa.
[00:43:15]  Speak on it.
[00:43:18]  No, I think what you're getting at is a good transition into something I've been thinking about a lot with regards to the results of the Iowa caucus, which is that, I mean, okay, I feel good.
[00:43:35]  I will say that.
[00:43:36]  I'll preface it by saying I feel good.
[00:43:39]  Yeah, we just went to bar.
[00:43:41]  We just did bar class together.
[00:43:43]  I feel great too.
[00:43:44]  No, no, I will say that I feel good.
[00:43:46]  What gives me hope is that Biden is what looks like tanking.
[00:43:53]  Yeah, I think his campaign's having a stroke.
[00:43:57]  Oh, Jesus.
[00:43:59]  But the reason why that makes that is like very good news is, you know, as it's been sort of looked at by people smarter than me, a lot of Biden voters should migrate to Bernie.
[00:44:14]  Yeah.
[00:44:15]  Theoretically.
[00:44:16]  Yeah.
[00:44:16]  Now.
[00:44:17]  People who like B names, but Buddha judges too hard to pronounce.
[00:44:22]  Well, so this is like, okay.
[00:44:24]  Let me see.
[00:44:25]  How do I, how do I get into this?
[00:44:27]  Okay.
[00:44:28]  So you mentioned 2016 and the people, people internalizing Democrat critiques from 2016.
[00:44:36]  So I think that like not, I think a lot of people took some of the wrong lessons from 2016 when they were looking at the Sanders campaign.
[00:44:48]  And I'm kind of just like thinking through this out loud.
[00:44:50]  Okay, speak on it.
[00:44:52]  But yeah, we can just edit it out if I say something stupid.
[00:44:54]  Yeah.
[00:44:55]  15 minutes later.
[00:44:56]  Yeah.
[00:44:57]  So coming back to it?
[00:44:59]  Okay.
[00:45:00]  So Sanders benefited from running against Hillary.
[00:45:05]  Yes.
[00:45:06]  We understand that.
[00:45:06]  No, no.
[00:45:08]  No, because I think so many people were just looking for a reason to not vote for Hillary.
[00:45:12]  Yeah.
[00:45:12]  Because of all the baggage.
[00:45:14]  People were angry.
[00:45:15]  It was more, you know, it's not, I don't mean reactionary in a like reactionary sense.
[00:45:20]  Like literally reacting to something.
[00:45:22]  Exactly.
[00:45:23]  And it seems that kind of rather than looking at the Sanders 2016 coalition, and I mean coalition of, you know, the people who voted for him, his base, whether or not that's his actual base, but that would be his voter base.
[00:45:39]  Yeah, As kind of perhaps needing that foil in order to kind of like maintain that.
[00:45:50]  There was a kind of sense that what everyone was reacting to was simply his policies.
[00:45:56]  Maybe there's a bunch of secret leftists out there that were, he was resonating with, et cetera, et cetera.
[00:46:04]  And that I think is wrong.
[00:46:08]  And what we're seeing, what's unfortunate is that when you look at the data, right, from Iowa.
[00:46:17]  I hate doing that, but go on.
[00:46:19]  That the, you know, you look at the difference between the, you know, state delegates that Sanders got in 2016 and those that he got in 2020.
[00:46:32]  It still feels weird saying 2020.
[00:46:34]  I usually just say 2021 to confuse people.
[00:46:37]  That basically his entire base is now split.
[00:46:41]  Yeah.
[00:46:42]  And a big fraction, and this goes against common knowledge for some reason, but this is true.
[00:46:48]  A big fraction of his 2016 base is now for Elizabeth Warren.
[00:46:54]  Not Hillary voters, Sanders voters.
[00:46:57]  Yeah.
[00:46:57]  This is a problem.
[00:46:59]  Yes.
[00:47:00]  Because again, when you look at the data from Iowa, and I should say that I don't think that Iowa is representative of like all the Midwestern states.
[00:47:11]  But when you look at it, what you see is that he is directly competing with Warren in areas where he's doing well.
[00:47:19]  So in urban areas where he's doing well, Warren is also doing.
[00:47:25]  Warren is cutting into it.
[00:47:26]  So her like factory committees are against Sanders factory committees.
[00:47:30]  Like this was sort of split in like the urban proletariat where a lot of the sort of more bricklayer types went for Warren and then the generally like the city employees, janitors, et cetera, go for Sanders?
[00:47:43]  Well, I don't know about that breakdown, but I'll just say that.
[00:47:47]  So that is, she is directly, you know, and again, look at the data.
[00:47:52]  She is directly eating into his delegate count.
[00:47:57]  Pete, where he was, Pete was really smart.
[00:48:01]  His campaign was really smart and basically threw all of its, you know, energy into more rural voters.
[00:48:09]  And the rural sections of Iowa, they're the like percent, you know, the state delegate like counts for more.
[00:48:18]  The state delegate, you get more state delegates from the rural areas than you do the urban ones.
[00:48:23]  Yeah, it's called Iowa Maoism.
[00:48:25]  It's the countryside versus the city.
[00:48:27]  Yes.
[00:48:28]  The countryside surrounds the city, right?
[00:48:30]  So he was able to basically, even though he got less votes, he gets more state delegates because, look, it's a fucking game.
[00:48:36]  This is how the game is played.
[00:48:37]  Yeah.
[00:48:37]  That's not, by the way, I just want to say that's not being robbed.
[00:48:40]  That's just, this is the game.
[00:48:42]  Yeah.
[00:48:43]  Okay.
[00:48:44]  So we have a fucking problem here is what I'm getting at.
[00:48:49]  Because Elizabeth Warren, and look, we did all those two episodes about her.
[00:48:53]  Is, you know, Elizabeth Warren is directly competing with Sanders.
[00:48:58]  And this is a problem because the only thing that matters, the only game that we're playing is who can get to a majority of pledge delegates the quickest.
[00:49:10]  So who can get to 1900 before the other people?
[00:49:12]  Yeah, it's not 1900 even.
[00:49:14]  I can't remember what the actual, it's like 19 something something.
[00:49:17]  It appears to be 1,488 delegates to win the Democratic.
[00:49:23]  Is that?
[00:49:24]  No?
[00:49:24]  Yeah.
[00:49:25]  CBS.
[00:49:25]  Yeah.
[00:49:27]  No, no, no.
[00:49:28]  It's 19 something.
[00:49:30]  So 33.
[00:49:31]  Ooh, that's not a great year either.
[00:49:34]  Anyway, will you look up the real number, actually?
[00:49:38]  Okay, but just keep talking so they can't hear the tippy-tappy of me on my gaming PC that I brought with Full Monitor to.
[00:49:47]  Oh, I just literally looked up 1933.
[00:49:50]  Oh, wow.
[00:49:52]  How many delegates do you need to become the next steward of MP?
[00:49:58]  Okay, okay, okay.
[00:49:59]  So my point is that this is not a traditional election.
[00:50:06]  Yeah.
[00:50:07]  So this is not, or this is not a traditional primary.
[00:50:10]  And what I mean by that is the only like Sanders is the frontrunner.
[00:50:17]  He is the assumed frontrunner.
[00:50:18]  He, you know, is leading.
[00:50:21]  As of yesterday, he was leading in 538, you know, trajectories.
[00:50:29]  Obviously, those change a lot, but I'm just saying he's the kind of assumed frontrunner.
[00:50:33]  Everyone is playing to stop Sanders.
[00:50:36]  Yeah.
[00:50:37]  So he has an asymmetric path to the nomination.
[00:50:43]  Because since everyone else is just trying to stop him, the game is to just cut into as many delegates as they can in order to stop him from getting a majority.
[00:50:54]  And you know what the number he needs is?
[00:50:56]  When is 1991?
[00:50:58]  Thank you.
[00:50:58]  Yeah, the year of desert storm.
[00:51:03]  Okay, so this is the game.
[00:51:05]  We said previously on the podcast that there cannot, we cannot walk into Milwaukee without Sanders having a pledged majority.
[00:51:15]  No.
[00:51:16]  There is no game game over if he doesn't get 1991.
[00:51:19]  Yeah, and he needs like, so he needs to win.
[00:51:24]  He can't just go in there with it incomplete or else kind of game's over for us because in the second round, the super delegates get exactly game over before it even started.
[00:51:31]  Yeah.
[00:51:32]  Because we don't know what kind of, they can pull whatever they want at the convention, but he has to have, he has to be able to make it on the first round.
[00:51:39]  So 1991.
[00:51:40]  Okay.
[00:51:41]  So that means that, you know, okay, so in a traditional election primary, what usually happens is we say, you know, Sanders won Iowa or Pete won Iowa or Sanders wins New Hampshire or Sanders wins South Carolina or and then, you know, you get, you know, you pick up steam, there's a media narrative and others have an incentive to drop out because they don't have money and they want to, you know, consolidate around the nominee, et cetera, right?
[00:52:10]  This is not a traditional election, like I said.
[00:52:14]  So the incentive for every single candidate is to stay in as long as possible.
[00:52:21]  To deny Sanders a nomination.
[00:52:23]  Yes.
[00:52:23]  And so it doesn't actually fucking matter who wins the states.
[00:52:26]  The only game we're playing here is pledged delegate count.
[00:52:31]  So we're numbers guys right now.
[00:52:32]  We are.
[00:52:33]  We're.
[00:52:33]  Yay.
[00:52:34]  Yeah.
[00:52:36]  I'm really fucking serious though, you guys.
[00:52:38]  So like it is, there is literally a like Sanders could win every state on Super Tuesday and still lose the nomination.
[00:52:48]  That is fucking stupid.
[00:52:51]  Okay.
[00:52:52]  So you got to get this through your heads.
[00:52:54]  It doesn't fucking matter if he, you know, okay, they stopped him from quote unquote winning Iowa is as a media narrative.
[00:53:03]  And now you see Pete Budigage, God, I fucking hate saying his name, Mayor Pete is up four points in New Hampshire as of like 10 minutes ago, apparently.
[00:53:18]  Sanders is down one point.
[00:53:19]  Okay, he gets a media bump.
[00:53:20]  Yeah, that fucking sucks.
[00:53:22]  Okay.
[00:53:22]  Pete and Sanders still walk away with 11 delegates each.
[00:53:27]  So that's where we're at.
[00:53:31]  But the reason I keep harping on Warren is that she is competing directly with Sanders for the base that he should have been able to fucking keep from 2016 and bring into 2020 while adding new voters to his base.
[00:53:51]  So rather than going into 2020 with a base consolidated, he had to spend basically the last fucking four years winning back his fucking base, winning over his base, which he was only able to retain half of for reasons that I'm not going to get into, but I have the fucking receipts.
[00:54:14]  You know, while Liz Warren took half of it.
[00:54:19]  So look, I'm not being pessimistic.
[00:54:23]  I'm just trying to be clear-eyed and sober because I do feel good about the chances, but it's important to like understand what game we're playing.
[00:54:31]  So like, for example, because the delegates are awarded proportionally, she, like, he needs to have such a big fucking haul on Super Tuesday that she needs to get out.
[00:54:44]  Or she needs to be beaten to like such a small percentage that it stops eating into what he can take.
[00:54:50]  Yeah.
[00:54:51]  Does that make sense?
[00:54:52]  Yeah, So I'm really worried about Liz Warren.
[00:54:56]  I still think she got like 18%.
[00:54:59]  She's competing directly with him in Iowa where he's doing well.
[00:55:03]  That's a problem.
[00:55:05]  I worry that, I mean, here's the thing that's like perversely, Pete being in the race is good for us.
[00:55:13]  Because him and Warren.
[00:55:14]  He's not going to have, like, as he's not going to have as much of a chance, especially in states with more different demographics.
[00:55:24]  He doesn't do well among like black people for unless perhaps Obama steps in.
[00:55:29]  I'm not even going to entertain him.
[00:55:30]  Well, that would be, I mean, that would be sort of the atom bomb there is if Pete looks like he's the only one who can do it.
[00:55:36]  And if there is a path for him, Obama, of course, would step in, right?
[00:55:40]  I don't know.
[00:55:41]  I mean, Biden, again, Biden going out.
[00:55:44]  Maybe some of those votes go to Sanders.
[00:55:46]  Sanders has a great team out in Nevada.
[00:55:49]  He's got a great team in New Hampshire.
[00:55:53]  I don't know.
[00:55:53]  I'm feeling now.
[00:55:55]  I just like talk myself into being nervous again.
[00:55:57]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:55:58]  Well, I want to, yeah.
[00:56:01]  I just like, I feel like everyone's like not looking at this right.
[00:56:04]  It doesn't matter about winning states.
[00:56:06]  It's, it's the pledge delegate count.
[00:56:08]  You've got to get behind the delegate count.
[00:56:10]  Yeah.
[00:56:10]  He can win California, but if he doesn't get enough delegates, look like sort of in practice, though, because in practice, you still just got to like phone bank and text messages all that time.
[00:56:20]  Are you talking about us?
[00:56:21]  No, just people in general.
[00:56:23]  I mean, you can follow the horse race any way you like, but if he gets, if he wins the state, you know what I mean?

=== Delegate Count Matters (02:03) ===

[00:56:28]  It's like not sure if it's looking at it isn't really going to change anything.
[00:56:32]  Well, no, it is going to change.
[00:56:34]  It is going to change because you have to understand that you can't keep saying, oh, we won Iowa, we won Iowa, we're going to win New Hampshire, we're going to win New Hampshire.
[00:56:40]  But if you don't win the number of delegates, you're not actually fucking winning.
[00:56:44]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:56:45]  And that's important because you don't want to end up in a situation where you're saying, but we're winning, we're winning, we're winning, and then, whoops, you lost.
[00:56:53]  Yeah.
[00:56:54]  It's like, well, how did that happen?
[00:56:56]  Well, no one was looking at the game right.
[00:56:58]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:56:59]  But I feel like if it got, I don't know.
[00:57:01]  I feel like if it got close enough, people would probably be like, oh, he's not going to, not going to get enough.
[00:57:04]  I think a lot of people are pretty nervous about a broker convention.
[00:57:07]  Like, people talk about that quite a bit.
[00:57:09]  And I don't know if that's going to happen.
[00:57:11]  Like, I don't know if that would really be like, I feel like whoever, if it was that close, I feel like whoever got in second place would just get the super delegates and it would be over and done with.
[00:57:21]  I feel like, I don't know, broker convention, I feel like would go like that.
[00:57:23]  I don't think the party would want one because I think it would break the party.
[00:57:27]  Yeah, it would be really bad for them.
[00:57:29]  But I still think that people, well, first of all, you got to take the Manaka pledge, which is that you won't vote for anybody but Bernie Sanders.
[00:57:36]  And you got to be very vocal about it.
[00:57:38]  And you also have to tell people it's called that when you take it.
[00:57:42]  And you have to take it publicly in front of your family.
[00:57:45]  Hopefully in front of journalists if you ever encounter any.
[00:57:48]  You know, if you go to some sort of sordid gutter.
[00:57:52]  But yeah, it's, it's, it's, I mean, there's no reason why you can't just do like another 1968 situation, but like times a bunch because there's technically more people alive now.
[00:58:04]  I don't know.
[00:58:04]  I think the institutions are so weak that they couldn't do it.
[00:58:07]  The thing that's different is also too, it's like when you say the party, you know, it's like the party apparatus probably don't want a contested convention because it would completely delegitimize the entire operation.
[00:58:22]  Yeah.
[00:58:23]  But then it's like you've got careerists in the race like Mayor Pete and Liz Warren.
[00:58:29]  Who knows what they want?
[00:58:31]  Yeah.

=== McGowan's Take on Corruption (11:09) ===

[00:58:32]  Well, I mean, I think, what do you mean?
[00:58:33]  Who knows what they want?
[00:58:34]  Like what they want out of like the convention or like I know, I know, you know, it's like, yeah, I mean, Pete might want a broker convention.
[00:58:39]  He might think that's the only path that he has to the nomination.
[00:58:42]  Yeah.
[00:58:43]  Right.
[00:58:43]  So then it's like you're planning, you know, it's all different actors with different incentives here.
[00:58:49]  And then what I, you know, that might not be the same as what the larger, like what you would call the quote-unquote party, which means, you know, a kind of vast panoply of different forces, different institutions would want.
[00:59:05]  Yeah, because the party is pretty decentralized, right?
[00:59:08]  Like it's basically a bunch of different kind of scam artists making their little piggy banks.
[00:59:12]  Yeah, exactly what we're talking about.
[00:59:13]  It's, it's not like, there's not like, I mean, everyone knows this, I feel like at this point, but it's not like an actual political party.
[00:59:19]  It's just like a weird like brand that some people make money off of, and then some people get really mad when you say you're going to kill every member of it, which I think is crazy.
[00:59:29]  I mean, look at these.
[00:59:30]  It's a business, right?
[00:59:31]  David Plouf, like I was talking about earlier.
[00:59:34]  David Plouf was like a head Obama guy.
[00:59:37]  Like he was one of the big guns in Obama's little gun cabinet where he stole your guns and put them.
[00:59:43]  By the way, he would have done that.
[00:59:45]  If he had a third term, your guns would be gone.
[00:59:48]  And the next Democratic president, if it's not Bernie Sanders, will also take your guns.
[00:59:52]  So buy more.
[00:59:55]  But David Plouffe, for instance, David Plouf, like, I want to explain, like, it's not, being a Democrat is bad.
[01:00:05]  Like, Harvey Weinstein is like the er Democrat.
[01:00:09]  Yeah.
[01:00:09]  All these, like, he's a rich rapist who's a pig and hates you.
[01:00:14]  And like, that is all of the ones, like, besides, like, the voters or whatever.
[01:00:20]  And then this is who I'm talking about.
[01:00:22]  The people who are like, are the party.
[01:00:23]  These sort of just people who have some money and hate you.
[01:00:27]  That, that is, this is who I'm talking about.
[01:00:30]  David Plouf was the fucking guy who arranged the deal with Saudi Arabia to give $3.5 billion to Uber.
[01:00:39]  Like, does that sound like something that's on your side?
[01:00:42]  Like, you're not on, like, do you agree with that?
[01:00:45]  Like, do you think that's like something that like is like a good political thing to do?
[01:00:48]  Or like, do you think that's something someone with a conscience could do?
[01:00:50]  I don't think so.
[01:00:51]  I think that like if you had to, if, if someone presented you or me or anybody really who is like a normal person with the opportunity to do business with the government of Saudi Arabia and Uber, they would likely decline because of how everything about both of those entities.
[01:01:10]  Yeah, Uber is basically the Saudi Arabia of startups.
[01:01:13]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:01:14]  And the thing is with him, in 2016, he goes to fucking Riyadh.
[01:01:20]  He gets $3.5 billion from Saudi Arabia.
[01:01:23]  He takes it back.
[01:01:24]  He brings it to fucking, it was like two, they did it, I think, a wire transfer, actually.
[01:01:28]  So I guess he didn't take it back.
[01:01:29]  He gives it to Saudi Arabia.
[01:01:30]  Travis Kalanik puts a fucking seat on the board specifically created for Saudi Arabia.
[01:01:40]  At this time, Uber is like in this insane fight with this Chinese company, who are, of course, you know, just as enemies of America, any revolutionary defeatism, et cetera, we support, and I use this constantly to get around.
[01:01:51]  It is a Chinese sort of Uber-like company called, I didn't really want to pronounce it, because I'll pronounce it wrong, and people are going to get mad at me, but I'm just going to call it DD.
[01:01:59]  Apple invested a billion dollars in this DD company.
[01:02:02]  Uber had been spying on them, and so they're like, fuck, we need this more money from, and they just keep going back to Saudi Arabia, keep going back from Saudi Arabia.
[01:02:09]  In Saudi Arabia, women cannot drive.
[01:02:11]  Or actually, no, now they can.
[01:02:13]  Actually, they really can't, but they did a couple Instagram videos where they could.
[01:02:17]  And if you are a woman in Saudi Arabia, you cannot get picked up by a male Uber driver.
[01:02:22]  Or your husband can do all sorts of things for you.
[01:02:24]  There's an app in the Apple store that you can download if you are married in Saudi Arabia where it tracks your wife's movements and basically will facilitate her not leaving the country.
[01:02:36]  And these are the people, like these are your Democrats.
[01:02:39]  And I just want people to understand, like, Democrats and Republicans.
[01:02:42]  People are like, it went out of vogue to say they're the same thing, but they are the same thing.
[01:02:46]  Like, there's no difference between them to me.
[01:02:49]  Yes, some of them are nicer towards certain groups and some of them are nicer towards other groups.
[01:02:54]  I don't give a fuck.
[01:02:55]  I hate them.
[01:02:56]  I want them in prison.
[01:02:58]  I want a prison so big, it's an open-air prison.
[01:03:01]  And they just have to dig and dig and dig and dig and dig.
[01:03:06]  Anyways, I don't like them.
[01:03:09]  I think like my main takeaway from Iowa and like as we're talking through all this like consultant class and the grift on the grift on the grift, a big Ponzi scheme of grift, right?
[01:03:25]  Is that we need to build a movement that can confidently, and I don't mean in this moment, but can confidently and strategically claim the DNC is illegitimate.
[01:03:40]  Yeah.
[01:03:40]  And what I mean is, and I mean that very differently from a kind of sense of we were robbed or it is rigged against us or whatever.
[01:03:49]  But I think that, you know, and I, again, get in, I don't know, whatever, but like some institutions are irredeemable.
[01:03:59]  Yeah.
[01:03:59]  Most, I would say.
[01:04:01]  But I mean, you know, I, or they're just not reformable, right?
[01:04:06]  Yeah.
[01:04:06]  Like, I don't think you can reform the DNC.
[01:04:09]  I think the entire apparatus, and I mean that from everyone from Plouf to McGowan to fucking Tom Perez to everyone else involved in everything is completely irredeemable and cannot be reformed.
[01:04:27]  And the entire fucking thing needs to be burned to the ground and the earth needs to be salted so it can never fucking come back.
[01:04:36]  And we need to be able to, I mean, we don't have that yet.
[01:04:40]  Fucking Bernie Sanders can't confidently say on television that Joe Biden is corrupt.
[01:04:46]  No.
[01:04:46]  Right?
[01:04:47]  No, no.
[01:04:47]  So we do not have a movement that feels confident in calling the fucking Democrats what they are.
[01:04:53]  Yeah, because we can't, because people are still afraid of the blowback from it.
[01:04:56]  But it's like, obviously, it's like something we can't see.
[01:04:58]  Like, it's crazy.
[01:04:59]  I think people feel crazy because they can't say what they see in front of their own eyes, which is that Joe Biden is obviously corrupt.
[01:05:05]  They're all corrupt.
[01:05:06]  I mean, Jesus fucking Christ.
[01:05:07]  Are you hot?
[01:05:08]  Like, that is what 99% of Americans associate all politicians with, is corruption.
[01:05:13]  The only one they don't associate that with mostly is Bernie Sanders.
[01:05:16]  Right.
[01:05:16]  But like, it's like, that's what it's a money-making scheme.
[01:05:20]  It's a fucking scam.
[01:05:22]  I'm going to quote one more thing because I just really liked the way this all put this together.
[01:05:29]  This is from our friend Yeves at Naked Capitalism.
[01:05:34]  Because I just thought this was just a really succinct way of saying, well, it's not that succinct, but we keep seeing this leadership class succeed in rent extraction and not much else.
[01:05:45]  Go down the list.
[01:05:46]  The post-crisis failure to reform the banks or even go through the motions by incarcerating a few execs and turfing out some board members.
[01:05:54]  Our grossly overpriced, underperforming healthcare system.
[01:05:58]  Our student impoverishing higher education system.
[01:06:03]  The F-35, the botched Obamacare rollout, our Middle East nation breaking, which has scored geopolitical own goals like destabilizing Europe, facilitating Russia, asserting itself as a geopolitical power despite having an economy the size of South Korea and in the face of our economic sanctions and making us deservedly disliked around the world.
[01:06:22]  Hillary Clinton losing to, of all people, Donald Trump, despite spending twice as much as his campaign spend because her team was enamored of Robbie Mook's models and somehow forgot that the Electoral College existed.
[01:06:35]  And if you believe, as Team Democrat does, that every problem can be solved with better PR, the corollary is you never admit to failure, you never do post-mortems, and you keep incompetence around you that who allow you to fail and fail and fail again.
[01:06:52]  I do that last part, though.
[01:06:54]  No.
[01:06:55]  These people, they're, no.
[01:06:59]  Like, I don't know how to like fucking get across my hatred for all of these people.
[01:07:07]  And what's even fucking worse is that every institution is designed to continue training new ones and training new ones.
[01:07:15]  Oh, yeah.
[01:07:15]  And all they know.
[01:07:16]  Little Eichmann.
[01:07:17]  Little Eichmans.
[01:07:18]  They're all around there in the policy schools and on the marketing teams and on the app development teams and whatever.
[01:07:26]  Uh-huh.
[01:07:26]  Well, I don't think they train the app ones that well.
[01:07:28]  They don't even fucking develop the apps, which is another thing we found out.
[01:07:30]  They just had some other one, which respect for doing that because I would also do that.
[01:07:34]  They got the contract to do the app for the Iowa thing, and then it's like, hey, can someone else do this?
[01:07:39]  I just sucked.
[01:07:40]  My app would suck shit.
[01:07:41]  But they just are allowed to keep failing, I'm failing, I'm failing.
[01:07:45]  And again, to bring it back, they're allowed to do so because the entire fucking machine is built on their continued failure.
[01:07:55]  Well, here's the thing I say, and I've always said, is that if I fucked up at my job as bad as these people constantly fuck up at theirs, and this goes for fucking soldiers too.
[01:08:06]  If I fucked up at my job that bad, I would be fired in a fucking heartbeat.
[01:08:10]  Everyone would.
[01:08:11]  You think Tara McGowan is going to go a day without someone giving her more fucking money?
[01:08:15]  You think Robbie Mook suffered the most like historic embarrassment loss.
[01:08:22]  Pathetic.
[01:08:23]  You lost to Donald fucking Trump.
[01:08:25]  You lost to Donald Trump.
[01:08:27]  And he still gets paid more than any of us will see in our lifetime.
[01:08:31]  Exactly.
[01:08:31]  And that's the thing.
[01:08:32]  And that's the thing you always got to remember is that if Bernie does win the nomination, these people will work.
[01:08:38]  Like these are not your misguided friends.
[01:08:41]  These are not people shooting their own side.
[01:08:43]  There is no such thing as friendly fire with someone like Robbie Mook or Tara McGowan or any of these fucking scumbags.
[01:08:51]  They are your enemy.
[01:08:53]  I am
[01:09:35]  just about done with talking about that.

=== Frustrated And Fed Up (02:42) ===

[01:09:41]  We like went all over the place again.
[01:09:43]  Yeah, that one was kind of topsitury everywhere.
[01:09:46]  But you know what?
[01:09:48]  I got to get it off my chest.
[01:09:50]  I'm rubbing my temple right now.
[01:09:52]  I'm just really frustrated.
[01:09:54]  I'm fucking frustrated.
[01:09:55]  Wow, a woman frustrated?
[01:09:57]  Frustrated.
[01:09:57]  Someone told me not to do sexism anymore when I was there was a comment someone left.
[01:10:02]  I believe there was like a couple that have said.
[01:10:04]  I can't show this podcast to my friends because Brace does ironic sexism too much.
[01:10:11]  You know my answer to that is?
[01:10:12]  It's not ironic.
[01:10:14]  How do you show a podcast to friends?
[01:10:16]  You can't.
[01:10:16]  Ooh.
[01:10:17]  Yeah, don't fucking try to fool me.
[01:10:19]  Here's the thing.
[01:10:20]  Here's the thing, guys.
[01:10:21]  If Liz gets to be the smart one, can't I be the sexist one?
[01:10:24]  I think we like, we switch.
[01:10:28]  Sorry, I was Julian right there.
[01:10:30]  I think you're the smart one a lot more than you think you are.
[01:10:33]  Yeah, that's crazy.
[01:10:35]  I'm smart.
[01:10:37]  Yeah, yeah, totally.
[01:10:39]  I am.
[01:10:40]  Usually, I would say, actually.
[01:10:43]  But no, listen, here about women, about sexism.
[01:10:46]  Here's what I got to say about that.
[01:10:48]  Thank you for joining us for another episode of I love, I literally, I love protecting women.
[01:10:58]  That got under my skin.
[01:11:00]  That got under my skin.
[01:11:01]  I know.
[01:11:01]  You know how much.
[01:11:03]  Do you know what I do if I'm walking behind a woman and it's just like a dark street and it's just me and her on the block?
[01:11:09]  I cross the street so I don't have to walk behind her.
[01:11:12]  That's nice of you.
[01:11:13]  Yeah, and I walk in front of her and then walk towards her.
[01:11:17]  I don't do that.
[01:11:18]  I walk across the street.
[01:11:19]  No, Brace is a good boy, you guys.
[01:11:20]  Yeah, I'm a little, just a little Jew.
[01:11:24]  I'm just a squirrel trying to get a nut.
[01:11:26]  Kind of ruined it with that, didn't I?
[01:11:28]  All right.
[01:11:29]  Well, thank you so much for joining us on another episode of Pod.
[01:11:34]  Pod, fuck America.
[01:11:36]  Pod, fuck my ass.
[01:11:38]  Please, welcome to another episode of Please Fuck My As.
[01:11:42]  My name is Tommy Theater.
[01:11:44]  I am the theater critic for Pod Save America, and my name is also...
[01:11:49]  I feel like they're all named Don.
[01:11:52]  That's like kind of the, that's the, that's sort of.
[01:11:54]  One of them looks like Stretch Armstrong.
[01:11:56]  Who?
[01:11:57]  Stretch Armstrong.
[01:11:58]  Who's that?
[01:11:59]  Is that a wrestler?
[01:12:00]  Or don't.
[01:12:01]  Is that the Slim Jung guy?
[01:12:02]  Okay, I'm Liz.
[01:12:04]  My name.
[01:12:08]  They call me Jeet Here.
[01:12:13]  And we are joined by producer Young Chomsky.
[01:12:16]  Thank you for Liz.
[01:12:18]  Play us out.
[01:12:20]  We will see you after New Hampshire.