True Anon Truth Feed - Episode 25: True and A
Aired: 2019-11-16
Duration: 01:16:27


=== Moto Razor Mysteries (12:00) ===

[00:00:00]  I love the razor.
[00:00:01]  That's a great phone.
[00:00:03]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:00:03]  The motor phone?
[00:00:05]  Motorzer.
[00:00:06]  Yeah, and the commercials were like Moto Razor.
[00:00:10]  I don't remember.
[00:00:10]  Wait, Motorazer is MAGA?
[00:00:13]  See, why are they taking all the cool shit?
[00:00:15]  No, Moto Razor isn't MAGA.
[00:00:17]  This person is just like being liking this thing that came back is MAGA.
[00:00:23]  Yeah, that's dumb.
[00:00:24]  That doesn't make any sense.
[00:00:25]  Oh, it's foldable.
[00:00:27]  That phone you like is going to come back in style.
[00:00:29]  Yeah.
[00:00:30]  It's $1,500.
[00:00:32]  Wait, iPhones are $2,200?
[00:00:34]  No, that's Australia.
[00:00:35]  Oh, who knows how much it is?
[00:00:38]  It's Australian money.
[00:00:39]  All right.
[00:00:39]  I have had Fight Song and just like various versions of Big Structural Bailey stuck in my head.
[00:00:47]  Yeah, you have.
[00:00:48]  Like what feels like two years.
[00:00:50]  They've scientifically engineered a way to make you more annoying.
[00:00:55]  Thanks, Brace.
[00:00:57]  So I thought I was going to go somewhere that did not.
[00:01:02]  It didn't go anywhere.
[00:01:03]  No, sorry.
[00:01:04]  Are you brain dead?
[00:01:06]  Yeah, it's been, we've been, we've been working hard.
[00:01:09]  We're in the tranches.
[00:01:10]  Yeah, we are deep in the tranches right now.
[00:01:12]  We've been doing what I call brain push-ups.
[00:01:17]  We're doing mind curls.
[00:01:19]  We are getting ready for our live show.
[00:01:22]  And it is, turns out that's a lot of work.
[00:01:24]  Yeah.
[00:01:24]  These are charged like $40 for this.
[00:01:26]  This sucks.
[00:01:27]  Oh.
[00:01:27]  Yeah.
[00:01:28]  Well, I'm going to do this thing where I ask for people for donations.
[00:01:32]  I'm going to make some shit up, like for like my kid or something.
[00:01:35]  I don't have a kid.
[00:01:36]  No, that's mean.
[00:01:37]  No, it's fine.
[00:01:37]  And I'll be like, oh, like my kid needs candy bars so his kid, his school team can go somewhere.
[00:01:42]  They're away game or something for basketball.
[00:01:45]  People give me money for that.
[00:01:46]  I can spend the money on me stuff.
[00:01:48]  Yeah.
[00:01:49]  Yeah.
[00:01:49]  I don't think that's a good idea.
[00:01:51]  Well, it's not a good idea, but we're going to do it.
[00:01:54]  Yeah, so we have a live show coming up next week.
[00:01:59]  On Thursday.
[00:01:59]  Thursday, the 21st at the makeout room.
[00:02:02]  It is going to.
[00:02:03]  But it's a straight-edge night.
[00:02:04]  No making out.
[00:02:05]  Yeah.
[00:02:06]  Oh, absolutely not.
[00:02:07]  No, the makeout room is warning you against making out.
[00:02:09]  It's like hell.
[00:02:10]  Hell sound, it's like a scary name because it's being like, don't come here.
[00:02:14]  Makeout room is called makeout room because it's like, I actually have this kind of HPV that definitely gives you warts.
[00:02:19]  Oh, what?
[00:02:20]  Yeah.
[00:02:21]  Okay.
[00:02:23]  Yeah, makeout room.
[00:02:24]  What time are we starting?
[00:02:26]  Seven.
[00:02:26]  It starts at seven, but if anyone wants to come early, you should because we have tickets are only available at the door.
[00:02:35]  We have no idea how many of the grapers are going to show up.
[00:02:39]  I think a lot of people are going to gripe on down to it, but I don't really know, but it's not like a huge place.
[00:02:47]  Yeah, it's like I did a talent show there where a woman actually ate urine.
[00:02:52]  Stop.
[00:02:53]  Sorry.
[00:02:53]  I really hate hearing this.
[00:02:54]  Okay.
[00:02:55]  I hated being there.
[00:02:56]  Alfredo sauce is the grossest part.
[00:02:58]  Jesus Christ.
[00:02:59]  On spaghetti.
[00:03:00]  But when we did that, it sold out.
[00:03:03]  Well, it was free, I guess.
[00:03:05]  So, but I mean, if we had charged, it would have sold.
[00:03:07]  Well, if we had charged.
[00:03:08]  Anyway, if you're in the Bay Area, remember, next Thursday, November 21st, 7 p.m.
[00:03:15]  Get there at 6:30.
[00:03:16]  True Anon live.
[00:03:18]  A multimedia terror experience.
[00:03:21]  Yeah, who killed Jeffrey Epstein?
[00:03:23]  We're going to solve it, folks.
[00:03:24]  Live ammunition.
[00:03:26]  And sorry to say this, guys, but we're not recording the event.
[00:03:31]  No, no, this is an exclusive event only for cool Groypers.
[00:03:38]  We're not recording the event.
[00:03:40]  Yeah.
[00:03:41]  So sorry to tell you guys that, but hopefully soon, sometime, we'll be in a city near you.
[00:03:47]  I'm sorry, do I come into your little science lab and take out a goddamn flip phone and start fucking videotaping you doing your experiments?
[00:03:55]  No, I expect the same courtesy.
[00:03:57]  Yeah, we're going to Dave Chappelle the event, and everyone's phone is going to have to go in a little special.
[00:04:01]  And we're converting the issue.
[00:04:02]  I don't know what you mean by Dave Chappelle.
[00:04:13]  Should we get this show on the road?
[00:04:36]  Yeah.
[00:04:36]  Yes.
[00:04:37]  So welcome to Truanon.
[00:04:41]  With the name of the show.
[00:04:43]  Yes.
[00:04:44]  I'm Liz.
[00:04:45]  I'm Brace.
[00:04:46]  And we're joined by producer.
[00:04:47]  Young Chompsky.
[00:04:48]  Yeah, he's on the mic today because our brains are fried because of this show we're doing, we thought it would be the perfect opportunity to solicit some questions from you, the listeners.
[00:05:00]  And boy, did we get a lot of questions?
[00:05:02]  Jesus Christ, you guys.
[00:05:03]  Only read the first seven, so that's where we're going with.
[00:05:05]  No, I actually did read all of them.
[00:05:08]  I didn't, but I did.
[00:05:10]  I'm just kidding.
[00:05:11]  Yeah, you read a lot of them.
[00:05:13]  I did read almost all of them.
[00:05:15]  Yeah.
[00:05:15]  I want to thank everyone for not sending anything too perverted.
[00:05:19]  No, all right.
[00:05:20]  Well, sorry.
[00:05:23]  You did not read all of them because, well, this person just said Michael.
[00:05:28]  Yeah, so shout out to Michael.
[00:05:30]  Yeah, that's a, yeah, much respect for that.
[00:05:33]  So so I guess we're just going to start reading down and we're going to see where this conversation takes us.
[00:05:41]  So we had asked what, what is your most psychotic Epstein theory or what is your question?
[00:05:50]  So some of these are theories and some of these are questions.
[00:05:52]  Yeah.
[00:05:53]  So I have to say that you guys, I know that you're like trolling us, but some of these theories are pretty stupid.
[00:05:59]  Yeah.
[00:06:00]  I won't name names.
[00:06:02]  Yeah, I mean, this guy is saying, I'm Epstein.
[00:06:05]  Give me a break, dude.
[00:06:06]  I know you're not Jeffrey Epstein.
[00:06:09]  Okay, so first question.
[00:06:11]  Is the Illuminati real?
[00:06:14]  So to be clear, a lot of my, well, not a lot.
[00:06:18]  Two of my co-workers have been getting Instagram messages from saying they're someone saying they're in the Illuminati.
[00:06:23]  I'm not joking.
[00:06:24]  Really?
[00:06:24]  Yeah, my co-worker, who shall remain nameless, who I like very much, he showed me his phone once and it was like a hot chick, you know, titties, et cetera, saying like, hey, I'm in the Illuminati.
[00:06:39]  Do you want to join?
[00:06:40]  And I guess I looked this up later.
[00:06:41]  He was like, oh my God, it's the real Illuminati.
[00:06:43]  I looked it up later.
[00:06:44]  I guess it's actually a scam that people do.
[00:06:46]  Oh, it's like.
[00:06:47]  They try to give you like, they try to make you give them like $50 to be in the Illuminati.
[00:06:51]  That is hilarious.
[00:06:51]  This is like the African prince, Nigerian Prince scam.
[00:06:56]  Yeah.
[00:06:57]  But the update, the update that it's Illuminati, I mean, that's very like of the times.
[00:07:03]  It's super chic, Liz.
[00:07:04]  It is very.
[00:07:05]  I like it.
[00:07:06]  That was my impression of you.
[00:07:07]  That's a terrible impression.
[00:07:09]  I don't say that.
[00:07:10]  I'm going to call something chic.
[00:07:11]  That's not the same thing.
[00:07:12]  Let the audience decide on this one.
[00:07:14]  Okay, so is the Illuminati real?
[00:07:16]  So what do we mean by the Illuminati?
[00:07:17]  Okay, so you're, I'm guessing that this person, who didn't leave their name and that was their only question thinks that it's like some group that does like triangle hand signals and you know, you got the eye.
[00:07:32]  They're Masonic, more Renaissancey Masons.
[00:07:36]  Yeah, it's like Opus Day Masonry.
[00:07:39]  Yeah, like if Opus Day weren't Catholic.
[00:07:43]  Yeah, I mean, it's like it was a real thing.
[00:07:45]  There is a thing you know.
[00:07:46]  There is a theory about Jay-Z being in the Illuminati.
[00:07:49]  Okay, because you know he does him.
[00:07:50]  And Bianse yeah dude, he couldn't finish.
[00:07:57]  No, I just they do the hand signal thing, like all the time.
[00:08:02]  And there was some I can't remember who it was.
[00:08:04]  There's like an ex-football player who was saying that he knew that Jay-Z like participated in like cult ritual stuff.
[00:08:13]  Really yeah, maybe don't quote me on that.
[00:08:16]  I mean, you're recording.
[00:08:18]  Well okay, it's all legend.
[00:08:20]  I mean the Illuminati stuff, I think, is mostly just sort of fun for people to think about, but it's not like I like to think about it.
[00:08:26]  Yeah, I don't um, but it's not to me, it's like an old German thing.
[00:08:31]  Yeah, I mean, I think that if you want to believe in the Illuminati, that's cool.
[00:08:34]  I don't know if it gets us any like.
[00:08:37]  I don't know if it's a clear way to think about the way that power operates.
[00:08:42]  I mean it's not yeah.
[00:08:45]  So I'm going to say for our purposes, no.
[00:08:48]  But it's real.
[00:08:49]  I mean, look at the dollar bill.
[00:08:51]  That's true.
[00:08:52]  Also, watch the movie National Treasure.
[00:08:54]  Oh, absolutely.
[00:08:55]  Yeah, watch National Treasure 3, too.
[00:08:57]  That's not out.
[00:08:58]  They just stopped making it.
[00:08:59]  Oh, sorry.
[00:09:00]  Some of us have seen it.
[00:09:02]  Also played Deus Ex.
[00:09:03]  Yeah, actually, yeah, no, true.
[00:09:05]  Play Deus Ex.
[00:09:06]  I don't know what that is.
[00:09:06]  It's a game that you have beat.
[00:09:09]  Okay, second question.
[00:09:11]  Okay, let me get this up on the screen.
[00:09:13]  For Brace, oh, thank you so much.
[00:09:15]  As a recovering addict yourself, do you find that AA or NA is a bunch of bullshit?
[00:09:21]  Or is there value in it once you move past the 1930s Protestant language that suffuses most of the literature?
[00:09:27]  Literature.
[00:09:28]  Very kind of you to call it literature.
[00:09:30]  I found the emphasis on helping others and getting out of your own head to make a huge difference in sobriety.
[00:09:34]  I just worry that the language turns off more people than it helps.
[00:09:37]  Keep hunting the sickos.
[00:09:39]  So, yeah, I mean, I am, it's no secret that I am an AA and that I am extremely sober.
[00:09:47]  And yeah, I think that AA is like very dumb and corny.
[00:09:53]  And like there's a lot of people in, what's it, Dopeless Hope Fiend hats, flat brims that say dopeless hope fiend and that kind of people.
[00:10:01]  Like people who like have like quirky keychains, etc.
[00:10:05]  But and the God stuff, I just tell people to just ignore that stuff.
[00:10:08]  I mean, literally, like the only thing that helps you if you're on dope is trying to get other people got off of dope.
[00:10:15]  And so yeah, I mean, the literature is, you know, take it or leave it.
[00:10:18]  It's pretty loose up here in San Francisco.
[00:10:20]  But there's also a pretty big AA here, so you're allowed to choose from.
[00:10:24]  But I don't care.
[00:10:24]  If someone doesn't want to use AA to get sober, fucking don't do it.
[00:10:27]  If you can literally, if you can just like fill your veins with sand so you won't shoot up anymore and that keeps you sober, fine with me.
[00:10:33]  Don't give a fuck.
[00:10:34]  I don't think you should do that.
[00:10:36]  No, well, it works though.
[00:10:38]  Actually, they used to put me on this shit called, I think it was called Naltrexone, where they give you a shot in your ass once a month and it blocks all opiates for the rest of the month.
[00:10:46]  I've heard of that.
[00:10:47]  Yeah.
[00:10:47]  But you always like hear people in rehab being like, you can shoot through it.
[00:10:51]  If you do enough, you get high.
[00:10:53]  You break through.
[00:10:55]  Well, I think it's them phrasing it in the way that you can break through it that you like visualize like, well, if I just like hit it right, I can get it through.
[00:11:03]  So I would just hit it over and over and over to try to get it through.
[00:11:06]  It's a great way to OD because you can't feel it, but you're still doing a ton of heroin.
[00:11:11]  Well, I lived.
[00:11:12]  I only kind of OD'd once.
[00:11:14]  So you don't think AA is a bunch of bullshit?
[00:11:17]  I mean, it is a bunch of bullshit, but like, all of it's a bunch of bullshit.
[00:11:21]  It doesn't work for everybody.
[00:11:22]  It works for like 10% of people that try it.
[00:11:25]  But it's like, there's also like nothing else that really works.
[00:11:29]  So it's like the least bad of bad options.
[00:11:32]  But like, it's not a bunch of bullshit.
[00:11:34]  It all works.
[00:11:35]  It's just like the language like this person's saying can like fuck people up because they're like, I have to pray and like be like a God person now.
[00:11:41]  It's like, you don't gotta pray.
[00:11:43]  I mean, you're fucking, there's no rules or anything.
[00:11:46]  I think in some ways.
[00:11:47]  That's more like going to the places that can be really helpful.
[00:11:50]  Yeah, being around other people trying to get sober works.
[00:11:54]  Yeah.
[00:11:56]  So this next person, this is not a question, but a little hot tip.

=== Chris Tucker's Hot Tip (05:44) ===

[00:12:01]  And we haven't vetted any of these.
[00:12:03]  So take that for what you will.
[00:12:05]  I got to say, I have a feeling this one is real.
[00:12:07]  Yeah, I do too.
[00:12:08]  So I'm going to go ahead and read it.
[00:12:11]  My friend is an educator currently working at a private school in Manhattan.
[00:12:16]  Said the Dubin family.
[00:12:18]  Now, Brace, will you remind our listeners who the Dubin family is?
[00:12:21]  So Glenn and Eva Dubin.
[00:12:23]  Glenn Dubin is like a high-profile financier.
[00:12:27]  I have trouble saying that word.
[00:12:28]  A financier.
[00:12:29]  And Eva Dubin, his hot wife, and I mean that in all terms, hot wife, but also she's a hot wife.
[00:12:36]  Which that's a cuck.
[00:12:37]  Anyways, so she is like a big famous doctor that really like brought Epstein back into high society after he was jailed for in 2007.
[00:12:49]  And they've been a little bit implicated.
[00:12:51]  They've been 100% implicated.
[00:12:53]  I mean, girls have literally said.
[00:12:54]  Testified to being at their house.
[00:12:56]  Yeah, and like there was a girl that was like shellshocked.
[00:12:58]  We went over this testimony in an early episode, like in her kitchen being like, they took me to the island.
[00:13:03]  Like, I mean, they are, their hands, their greedy little fingerprints are all over this.
[00:13:06]  Of course, they've been on the Lolita Express more times than I can count.
[00:13:10]  Yeah.
[00:13:10]  So, okay.
[00:13:13]  Said the Dubin family mysteriously pulled their daughter out of school last spring semester right before the Jeps, the Epstein arrest.
[00:13:23]  My friend was told by the admin not to ask questions, wasn't told where the daughter or family was.
[00:13:27]  They came back to the school this fall and everyone acted like nothing happened.
[00:13:31]  Thinks they left the country because they were tipped off that Epstein was in trouble and that they were potentially at risk for prosecution as well.
[00:13:39]  So what do you think about that?
[00:13:42]  I love it.
[00:13:44]  I also think that it makes sense.
[00:13:48]  I think, you know, first of all, Jeffrey knew that he was getting arrested when he flew into New Jersey.
[00:13:55]  I mean, he had to have.
[00:13:56]  Yeah.
[00:13:57]  And yeah, we've heard from some people that confirm some suspicions.
[00:14:03]  Yes.
[00:14:05]  So I think a lot of people and these sort of like, you know, related orbiters in the Epstein universe were, I wouldn't even call it tipped off.
[00:14:15]  I think that they were just actively involved in talking to law enforcement.
[00:14:20]  Law enforcement.
[00:14:21]  And so they knew kind of what was coming.
[00:14:23]  So it's not surprising to me that they would like out.
[00:14:27]  I mean, in Palm Beach, like the Palm Beach sheriff literally called Epstein the night before they went to arrest him and were like, hey, we're coming by tomorrow to arrest you.
[00:14:35]  Like just to let you know, like, what do you think the fucking NYPD does?
[00:14:42]  Like it's yeah.
[00:14:43]  Yeah, so um you know, these are really wealthy people.
[00:14:48]  None of that surprises me.
[00:14:49]  Yeah, who do you think your fucking judge is smoking doinks with?
[00:14:52]  Yeah, totally.
[00:14:52]  It's not you.
[00:14:53]  I love when you say doinks.
[00:14:54]  I love saying doinks.
[00:14:57]  Drug talk got like really good after I quit.
[00:15:00]  And I just, it's sort of like it puts me back in it.
[00:15:03]  You know?
[00:15:06]  Oh gosh.
[00:15:07]  Okay, this next one is a little bit of a doozy.
[00:15:09]  So, okay, but seriously, where does Chris Tucker fit into everything?
[00:15:14]  He's not spacey famous.
[00:15:18]  But he pretty much fell off the face of the earth after Rush Hour 3.
[00:15:21]  And he's supposedly all over the flight logs and was on an Africa trip with Clinton, etc.
[00:15:26]  So where does Mr. Tucker fit in?
[00:15:28]  Well, it's not great, you guys.
[00:15:30]  Yeah, it doesn't sound good.
[00:15:32]  No.
[00:15:34]  I think, so a friend in the DMs was doing some research into Chris Tucker.
[00:15:41]  Yeah.
[00:15:42]  And there were some troubling revelations.
[00:15:45]  In the Michael Jackson era, right?
[00:15:47]  Yeah, so I actually, I didn't know if this, does everyone know about this?
[00:15:50]  I didn't know about this.
[00:15:51]  I didn't know about this.
[00:15:52]  But Chris Tucker was the key witness in Michael Jackson's trial.
[00:15:57]  That's wild.
[00:15:59]  And so is our producer.
[00:16:02]  But he was like the final defense witness.
[00:16:08]  And the defense rested after his testimony.
[00:16:11]  Hmm.
[00:16:13]  There's a bunch of, internet gossip about Chris Tucker being involved in, let's say, some alleged children situation.
[00:16:29]  Okay, a children's situation.
[00:16:32]  You encountered those multiple times in the course of the show.
[00:16:35]  Yeah.
[00:16:37]  I think it's funny because when we started the podcast and we were reading about it, we were like, Chris Tucker, that's hilarious.
[00:16:43]  This doesn't make any sense.
[00:16:44]  And then it's like you start looking into it and you're like, oh, oh no.
[00:16:48]  Like I think.
[00:16:49]  Actually, Chris Tucker was.
[00:16:51]  Like he's not just like an outlier on the flight.
[00:16:53]  Like he wasn't like when the Lolia Express was like cruising around Nigeria, he wasn't like sitting in the back playing Game Boy while everyone else was doing their fucking sick twisted deeds to children.
[00:17:04]  Like he was allegedly, I mean, not by me.
[00:17:07]  I wouldn't ever say that, but it's possible that he could have been, you know, dipping.
[00:17:11]  Yeah.
[00:17:12]  I, yeah, I don't have any great news to report.
[00:17:15]  Although I do think that, like, this listener pointed out about his career really like falling off.
[00:17:22]  Yeah.
[00:17:23]  Is like very intriguing.
[00:17:26]  I mean, after his like star turn in the fifth element, which is, I mean, just a fantastic role.
[00:17:33]  I mean, it is crazy.
[00:17:34]  Like, he never really acted like after, I think, Rush Hour 3.
[00:17:36]  Yeah, that's what he's right.
[00:17:38]  Which, if you're if, if he's I mean, i'm surprised he's not on cameo.
[00:17:43]  Oh, actually is he?

=== Cancel Culture Controversy (15:12) ===

[00:17:45]  He could be.
[00:17:45]  Let's check after this.
[00:17:47]  So next question is, are you guys planning on doing any in-depth coverage of the Franklin Credit Union conspiracy on the POD?
[00:17:54]  This is from Hesse um, perhaps a German listener, or Mexican?
[00:18:01]  How are you?
[00:18:02]  Um sorry uh, we are.
[00:18:06]  Actually we are.
[00:18:07]  We have plans for the coming year, which is so crazy.
[00:18:12]  Just like that meme said, there's only one month left in the decade.
[00:18:15]  Make sure you do whatever.
[00:18:16]  Oh wow, I guess there is.
[00:18:18]  You know, it's a little bit.
[00:18:18]  Would you look at that, not true the?
[00:18:20]  The decade concludes 2020.
[00:18:23]  Really yeah, because the coming.
[00:18:25]  No, there's a big fight about this.
[00:18:26]  They had there's actually a very interesting fight.
[00:18:29]  There was a does not sound interesting so far.
[00:18:32]  There's a.
[00:18:33]  Really, there was a big fight about this during uh, the Fantasiacla as well, and there were people saying that it wasn't 1900.
[00:18:40]  That signified it was 1901.
[00:18:42]  It's a big deal.
[00:18:43]  Um so anyway, this is where all that Y2k madness stems from.
[00:18:46]  That's oh yeah, remember why I don't?
[00:18:49]  Because I was too Liz.
[00:18:51]  You were 30 when we oh, my god, that's so horrifying.
[00:18:54]  Okay um no, but so my point is that there we do have big plans coming for the next year um, some big in-depth episodes, but they take a really good time, a good amount of time to research and we want to do them properly, Franklin Credit and also the related Satanic Panic being one of them, and these are things that we want to really do right, so it just takes us a bit like more time.
[00:19:20]  Yeah, I mean the thing is like I like I mean we all work and so we try to get as much like into the episodes.
[00:19:26]  We're doing episodes.
[00:19:28]  I just said damn, that's a really good idea they should make.
[00:19:30]  I should make a podcast app.
[00:19:32]  Um, we try to put as much as we can into each episode, and doing longer term stuff, kind of like takes a little bit of time away from that.
[00:19:39]  So I just basically like, my job sucks.
[00:19:41]  I mean not if you're.
[00:19:42]  I mean, is this my job rules if you're, if you're listening to this?
[00:19:46]  Um, and I gotta get up really early in the morning, so sometimes I get a little woozy after work.
[00:19:51]  Uh, like a little.
[00:19:51]  Uh, is it light on the loafers?
[00:19:53]  Is that?
[00:19:53]  Does that mean tired?
[00:19:54]  No, does that mean gay?
[00:19:56]  Yeah, oh well, no disrespect, but no, not light on the loafers, i'm just tired after work.
[00:20:02]  Um yeah, So we are definitely, we do have that planned.
[00:20:05]  We also have a big episode planned about the Clintons.
[00:20:09]  Yes.
[00:20:10]  Yes.
[00:20:10]  Which that's been in the works for a while, but we're going to end her.
[00:20:14]  Yeah.
[00:20:15]  And him.
[00:20:16]  Yeah.
[00:20:16]  And another one, because I know that some people have been asking, but we, of course, are going to be doing an episode on Mr. Donny Deals himself.
[00:20:24]  Oh, yeah.
[00:20:24]  No, he's actually proving him innocent, unfortunately.
[00:20:29]  That'll be my job.
[00:20:31]  So speaking of, who is another big name you think is connected to Epstein, but hasn't been revealed yet?
[00:20:37]  I'm a Tony Blair man.
[00:20:38]  I mean, you know me, and you know I'm a Tony Blair man through and through.
[00:20:41]  Yeah, you love The Third Way.
[00:20:43]  Mm-hmm.
[00:20:44]  No, yeah, I am, like, waiting for Tony Blair's name to come out.
[00:20:49]  Yeah, I mean, probably some more, like, NBS, too, obviously, is, like...
[00:20:55]  Yeah, the Saudi connections would be really nice.
[00:20:57]  Like, that has...
[00:20:58]  It's...
[00:20:58]  Obviously, there are some constraints to figuring out all the facts in that aspect of the case.
[00:21:04]  You mean with the incredibly transparent nation of Saudi Arabia?
[00:21:08]  Yeah.
[00:21:09]  But I know, I've just been saying so many FOIAs to the Saudi Ministry of Information that it just lets's get lost in there.
[00:21:16]  But so, I mean, Epstein had several pictures of MBS dotting his houses.
[00:21:21]  Yeah.
[00:21:21]  He spent election night of 2016 in Riyadh, which, you know, says something there.
[00:21:30]  He had that passport that said he lived there.
[00:21:32]  His extra passport says his residence was in Saudi Arabia.
[00:21:35]  I would mind like more like local politicians being tied up and stuff.
[00:21:43]  Like not necessarily our local ones, but I would love like the Blasio Jane Kim or, Or like, just like, you know, the old LA connections.
[00:21:53]  I would love some, like, Ram Emmanuel shit to come out.
[00:21:56]  Like, old Chicago stuff.
[00:21:58]  Just like all that shitty money moving through Democratic politics.
[00:22:02]  I'd really love to see some of that.
[00:22:03]  If like George Mitchell was involved in it, who the fuck is that?
[00:22:05]  Well, yeah, that's what I'm saying.
[00:22:07]  I mean, it probably, obviously it wouldn't be, you know, it would be tied in in the kind of the way that we're talking about on the podcast where it's like, you know, all these people knowing each other.
[00:22:16]  I just want to get to get out there that I think we think Melania is a slave that bought.
[00:22:21]  Whoops.
[00:22:22]  Allegedly.
[00:22:24]  Speaking of.
[00:22:26]  I like this one.
[00:22:29]  Which of your faves do you want to get canceled the most?
[00:22:33]  Like, just in general or via Epstein?
[00:22:35]  I don't know.
[00:22:36]  Maybe it's a general.
[00:22:37]  I would honestly like be overjoyed if you got canceled.
[00:22:40]  Grace?
[00:22:41]  I dream about it.
[00:22:42]  Sometimes I think about doing it.
[00:22:44]  Me canceling.
[00:22:45]  Are you serious?
[00:22:46]  Well, yeah.
[00:22:47]  I don't, I mean.
[00:22:49]  It would just be me then.
[00:22:51]  No, I would never wish to get canceled.
[00:22:54]  Who's our faves?
[00:22:55]  Who would cancel me?
[00:22:57]  I'm so sorry.
[00:22:57]  I didn't mean to.
[00:23:00]  If you get canceled, I'll cancel myself too.
[00:23:03]  No, it'll be a bit of a signal.
[00:23:03]  You're canceled to defend me.
[00:23:05]  No, you can't do that.
[00:23:08]  Come on.
[00:23:08]  That'll just make me look guilty.
[00:23:11]  Oh my God.
[00:23:12]  I don't know.
[00:23:12]  What are you guilty of?
[00:23:14]  Nothing.
[00:23:14]  Bill fired for truth.
[00:23:16]  Canceled for truth.
[00:23:17]  Guilty, right?
[00:23:18]  Oh, yeah.
[00:23:19]  You know what I would do?
[00:23:20]  No, I wouldn't.
[00:23:21]  If anyone cancels Liz, I'll kill them.
[00:23:23]  There you go.
[00:23:24]  I'll go to prison for the rest of my life.
[00:23:27]  My fave, who just got canceled recently that a lot of people like?
[00:23:31]  Jeff Goldblum.
[00:23:32]  Jeff Goldblum.
[00:23:32]  I mean, I don't know.
[00:23:33]  He didn't really get canceled.
[00:23:34]  Did he?
[00:23:34]  No.
[00:23:35]  People were talking about canceling him.
[00:23:37]  Yeah.
[00:23:38]  It was like a preemptive, it was a pre-cog cancellation.
[00:23:41]  Oh, like they thought he was.
[00:23:42]  Pre-crime.
[00:23:43]  They were like, we're going to have to cancel this guy.
[00:23:45]  And then it became like he's canceled.
[00:23:46]  It was like, why?
[00:23:47]  Because something's going to come out.
[00:23:48]  Oh, that's pretty good.
[00:23:50]  That's such bullshit.
[00:23:51]  That's the stage that we're going to be able to do.
[00:23:52]  I think that's smart.
[00:23:52]  I'm going to get into now.
[00:23:54]  It's dangerous.
[00:23:55]  Honestly, if they ever truly succeed in canceling God, I'll kill myself.
[00:23:58]  You know what's going to happen is that it's going to go full circle.
[00:24:01]  And now people, like fucking woke creeps, are going to start claiming that they're canceled and it's going to be like a batch of honor.
[00:24:08]  Like Roxanne Gay is going to come out and be like, they tried to cancel me, but and it's like, oh my God, I'm going to like.
[00:24:15]  There's no cancel gun large enough caliber.
[00:24:18]  Did you see her engagement ring?
[00:24:20]  Did I see her engagement ring?
[00:24:22]  You could see it from space.
[00:24:23]  You look like shit.
[00:24:24]  The engagement rings look bad too.
[00:24:28]  Cancel that.
[00:24:28]  I'm sorry.
[00:24:29]  That was too far.
[00:24:30]  It wasn't.
[00:24:31]  It wasn't.
[00:24:31]  Okay, don't cancel.
[00:24:33]  This is very confusing.
[00:24:34]  Look at this.
[00:24:35]  We just laid a trap.
[00:24:38]  Okay, I really like this one because this, I love a Would You Rather.
[00:24:42]  I'm the queen of Would You Rather.
[00:24:44]  And just before she asks the questions, yeah, Karma Electra, 100%.
[00:24:53]  Okay.
[00:24:54]  Okay.
[00:24:55]  Would you rather have everybody involved in Epstein's crimes punished appropriately but secretly?
[00:25:02]  And what we know now is all we ever learn about it.
[00:25:07]  Or would you rather learn the whole truth, but everyone gets away with it?
[00:25:13]  I'm going to go with learn the whole truth.
[00:25:15]  Yeah, I'm 100% right there.
[00:25:17]  And I know that sounds callous, but if we learn the whole truth, we can literally destroy like the world power.
[00:25:24]  Yeah.
[00:25:25]  Like I could finally.
[00:25:26]  Yeah, absolutely.
[00:25:27]  I think it's so much more important for the truth to come out than for like, I mean, I am, don't get me wrong, I am like a thousand percent behind lock her up.
[00:25:38]  And by notice, we're not specifying which her it is.
[00:25:42]  But I do think it's more important that we learn everything.
[00:25:49]  Because like you said, it's radicalizing.
[00:25:52]  Yeah.
[00:25:53]  And yeah.
[00:25:54]  Yeah, no.
[00:25:56]  Yeah.
[00:25:57]  What do you think?
[00:25:57]  Yeah, I mean, if you just punish the individuals, right, the class still reconstitutes itself.
[00:26:04]  So if we arm ourselves with the knowledge and radicalize the proletariat, then we can actually abolish the ruling class.
[00:26:12]  Yeah, also, it means I could get away with it if I knew all their secrets.
[00:26:16]  I could lord it over them.
[00:26:18]  Okay.
[00:26:19]  When do you think the CIA picked up Epstein?
[00:26:22]  70s, 80s?
[00:26:23]  He always used to say he found money for people.
[00:26:25]  Assuming that's true, do you think he found money for the CIA?
[00:26:28]  Or do you think he was always a blackmailer?
[00:26:31]  I think this person's a little confused.
[00:26:33]  How do you mean?
[00:26:34]  Well, I mean, he, it's true that he says he found money for people, but he bragged about like basically going to like African dictators and taking money from them.
[00:26:45]  Well, he said that his job was basically, and I quote, a financial bounty hunter.
[00:26:51]  And in my mind, he was, I think he was, first of all, I think he got picked up by the CIA in the 70s by Donald Barr.
[00:26:58]  I think that's the guy who did it.
[00:26:59]  I mean, there are enough George Smiley books to know that is how you do it.
[00:27:04]  I think it was a bit earlier.
[00:27:06]  Really?
[00:27:06]  You think it was when he was like a teenager during his math years?
[00:27:09]  Interlocking, maybe?
[00:27:11]  Maybe, yeah.
[00:27:12]  It could be.
[00:27:12]  Although it's like, I mean, not that I don't, I know people who've gone to Interlocking.
[00:27:16]  They are, as far as I know, not intelligence assets.
[00:27:19]  But that seems like if I was going to get someone to be a CIA agent in the future, I'd get them at their gifted high school.
[00:27:25]  Yeah, you know, I don't know if I said this on podcast before, but when I was in high school, my best friend, her dad was a CIA agent.
[00:27:33]  He was retired.
[00:27:35]  And her and her sister were contacted at a pretty early age about, let's say, enlisting.
[00:27:45]  It's interesting.
[00:27:46]  She never did it.
[00:27:47]  She didn't do it?
[00:27:49]  Or did she just say she didn't do it?
[00:27:50]  No, she didn't do it.
[00:27:51]  Did you do it in her stead?
[00:27:53]  No, you did.
[00:27:54]  Did I do it?
[00:27:55]  In her stead.
[00:27:56]  Okay, next question.
[00:27:57]  Cast your ideal Epstein movie.
[00:28:00]  That's a fun one.
[00:28:00]  Oh, I like this one.
[00:28:02]  Yeah.
[00:28:02]  First of all, me as Epstein.
[00:28:04]  No, Brave.
[00:28:05]  Okay, you as Epstein.
[00:28:06]  No.
[00:28:07]  Okay, Young Chopsky is Epstein.
[00:28:09]  Stop being so lazy.
[00:28:11]  Okay.
[00:28:12]  Well, could this be like an art movie?
[00:28:15]  Like what?
[00:28:16]  Like, like if I cast like, you know how they were trying to get like Idris Elba as James Bond?
[00:28:22]  Oh, uh-huh.
[00:28:22]  Could I do Idris Elba as Jeffrey Epstein?
[00:28:26]  It's Idris.
[00:28:27]  Idris Elba is.
[00:28:29]  That's a bit sexy.
[00:28:31]  Well, I know that would, and see, here's the thing, though.
[00:28:33]  If I cast a sexy Jeffrey Epstein, that would fuck with people's brains, right?
[00:28:37]  Feel like Black Epstein.
[00:28:41]  I mean, people could, that could really, that could be a tour.
[00:28:43]  Okay, fine.
[00:28:44]  What do you think?
[00:28:45]  I think Goldblum would be good.
[00:28:47]  I was just thinking that too.
[00:28:49]  I think Goldblum would be really good as Epstein.
[00:28:51]  Yeah.
[00:28:52]  Who could be Ghulane?
[00:28:54]  Who's that chick from Fight Song?
[00:28:55]  We were just watching the fight song DNC video.
[00:28:58]  There's like a black-haired woman in that who looks exactly like Glenn Maxwell.
[00:29:01]  I don't know who that woman is.
[00:29:02]  What about Angelica Houston?
[00:29:03]  I was going to say Angelica Houston.
[00:29:04]  I don't know who she looks like.
[00:29:06]  Are you saying pretty?
[00:29:08]  Why would I?
[00:29:09]  Don't show me now.
[00:29:10]  I have to talk then if you're typing.
[00:29:12]  I'm going to go with Mia Kunis.
[00:29:16]  No.
[00:29:16]  No?
[00:29:17]  Okay, then let's go with...
[00:29:19]  You know who she is.
[00:29:19]  Oh, damn, it looks like that chick.
[00:29:21]  Yeah.
[00:29:22]  Actually, check this out.
[00:29:23]  What if Hillary Clinton played Ghelane Maxwell?
[00:29:25]  That'd be fun.
[00:29:25]  No, I think Meryl Streep would have to play Hillary Clinton.
[00:29:28]  Yeah.
[00:29:28]  Oh, yeah.
[00:29:29]  Oh, in the Epstein movie.
[00:29:31]  Who, what is there?
[00:29:33]  Another actor?
[00:29:35]  Oh, Bill?
[00:29:36]  Fuck.
[00:29:38]  For Bill Clinton, definitely Dana Carvey.
[00:29:42]  He did such a good George Bush.
[00:29:44]  Think about him as Bill.
[00:29:46]  This is probably stupid.
[00:29:47]  I want to throw out Ben Stiller as Epstein.
[00:29:50]  I feel like somebody else said that.
[00:29:51]  That would be a good idea.
[00:29:53]  Yes, but I think that's appropriate.
[00:29:56]  Somewhere else is Jew face.
[00:29:58]  Yes, or Eric Bogozian, I think.
[00:30:00]  Oh, I love Bogozian.
[00:30:02]  His turn on succession really good.
[00:30:04]  Okay.
[00:30:06]  I don't know who he is, but he's good.
[00:30:08]  He plays Bernie Sanders on Succession.
[00:30:10]  Oh.
[00:30:12]  Okay, disclaimer.
[00:30:13]  Liz, hello.
[00:30:15]  Probably already knows better than I do from living in LA.
[00:30:18]  Well, probably.
[00:30:19]  My theory is on why Courtney Love is in the black book.
[00:30:24]  Ooh, I like this.
[00:30:26]  I've noticed she has always surrounded herself with young acolytes.
[00:30:30]  At one point, she was auditioning young women for her band, encouraging them to send in tapes of themselves.
[00:30:37]  I think she helped rich old men get proximate to teenage girls.
[00:30:43]  So, okay, a couple things.
[00:30:48]  I don't think that having young women audition for her band by tape is necessarily like proof of any alleged, but I have heard some weird things about Courtney Love, as have you.
[00:31:00]  I definitely have.
[00:31:01]  What have you heard?
[00:31:02]  I think the same things you have heard.
[00:31:04]  Okay, so from what I've heard, and I've heard this from people, it happened to.
[00:31:08]  Yeah.
[00:31:09]  Some girls would go and, you know, sort of get taken under Miss Love's wing and then essentially in a kind of roundabout way, sometimes in a not so roundabout way, get pimped out to rich men as like through Courtney Love.
[00:31:28]  Through Courtney Love.
[00:31:29]  Yeah, I have heard rumors of that in Hollywood.
[00:31:32]  Yeah, I mean, it's if both you and I have heard it and I've heard.
[00:31:36]  Also, I, yeah, my understanding is that, you know, she didn't have a lot of money.
[00:31:45]  Well, she also killed her ex-husband.
[00:31:47]  I'm not joking.
[00:31:48]  I literally think that she did either kill him.
[00:31:51]  I don't really think that.
[00:31:52]  Do but I think that because El Duce was killed by Courtney Love as well.
[00:31:56]  El Duce was the singer for the Mentors who wrote hits like Finder, Feeler, Fucker, Forget her, the four F's.
[00:32:04]  It's a great band.
[00:32:04]  Check out the Mentor.
[00:32:05]  Really not a great band, but check out El Duce karaoke.
[00:32:08]  Anyways, El Duce got, he's sort of a West Coast Gigi Allen type.
[00:32:12]  He went on record saying that Courtney Love tried to pay him like $5,000 or something like that to kill Kirk O'Bain.
[00:32:19]  Like a week after he says that, he is pushed in front of a train and dies.
[00:32:23]  Incredible.
[00:32:24]  Yeah.
[00:32:25]  So yeah.
[00:32:28]  I buy it.
[00:32:29]  Yeah.
[00:32:30]  And like the Courtney Love thing, I totally get it, too.
[00:32:32]  Didn't?
[00:32:33]  Yeah.
[00:32:33]  You know she stood over him watching it while it happened.
[00:32:36]  Oh, absolutely.
[00:32:38]  Allegedly.
[00:32:39]  But yeah, Courtney Love, if any of you out there listening is thinking of going and jamming with her, pick another hole.
[00:32:47]  Oh, I got it.
[00:32:48]  Get it?
[00:32:48]  Yeah.
[00:32:49]  Like that one?
[00:32:50]  That's pretty good.
[00:32:50]  Freaked you out.
[00:32:51]  That brought you around.
[00:32:53]  Okay.
[00:32:54]  Brace, this one.
[00:32:56]  Okay.
[00:32:56]  This is for you.

=== Why SF Can't Go It Alone (15:13) ===

[00:32:58]  Should SF break off from PG ⁇ E and run its own SacMud style municipal power system?
[00:33:04]  So yes and no.
[00:33:05]  San Francisco, I mean, as it stands now, should break away from PG ⁇ E, although they are not going to.
[00:33:10]  I mean, I don't think they're going to.
[00:33:11]  But it can't just happen city by city because then rich cities like San Francisco would be able to do it.
[00:33:18]  And then places like Bakersfield might not be able to afford to do it.
[00:33:22]  Yeah, I mean, I think at this point, one thing I would worry about is like any other counties having any leverage over buying out PG ⁇ E.
[00:33:33]  I think the state just has to do it and then sell it back to the municipalities.
[00:33:39]  Yeah, I mean, and also, like, it's, I mean, look at where they turned off the power recently during these forced blackouts.
[00:33:45]  Yeah, it wasn't in San Francisco.
[00:33:47]  And there was, even if there was a high risk of fire, they would never do that in San Francisco or Mountain View.
[00:33:52]  That shit is only going to hit the northern part of the state.
[00:33:54]  And if there's this big miss, I'm not, I'm a, I'm a, of course, a communist.
[00:33:59]  I'm a centralizer.
[00:34:01]  Might raise a few hackles there.
[00:34:03]  But our power grid should be centralized.
[00:34:07]  I mean, I guess our power grid would be still centralized.
[00:34:10]  But like the operating body should be a central one.
[00:34:14]  And I don't think just breaking off city by city is necessarily the answer.
[00:34:18]  Yeah.
[00:34:19]  Although everyone who works at PG ⁇ E can suck my dick.
[00:34:21]  Yeah.
[00:34:21]  But that's why it makes it so tricky when you say should the city buy the yeah, but then like also we should buy it.
[00:34:27]  So I don't know.
[00:34:29]  It's one of those things.
[00:34:30]  We'll see.
[00:34:30]  We'll see how things go in this next year.
[00:34:35]  So what's the best way to annoy libertarian tech douches?
[00:34:40]  I'm from the Bay Area.
[00:34:41]  That's not a name.
[00:34:44]  Well, apparently it's elect a progressive DA.
[00:34:48]  Yeah.
[00:34:49]  Yeah.
[00:34:49]  In this past week since Chase Boudin got elected here, I have seen so many people stumble upon the idea of becoming Batman.
[00:34:58]  It's insane.
[00:34:59]  Like, some of them knowingly, like, that they're imitating Batman and that other people are like, what if I...
[00:35:04]  Like, literally calling for a Batman.
[00:35:06]  Like...
[00:35:06]  Like actually be like, we should make gadgets that will fucking.
[00:35:09]  Like billionaire libertarian vigilante justice.
[00:35:13]  First of all, no thanks.
[00:35:15]  Yeah.
[00:35:15]  Second of all, like I pointed out on Twitter.
[00:35:18]  If you want to create a Batman, we know that requires first the creation of Joker.
[00:35:24]  And the thing about the Joker is we are right now, Liz is like millimeters away from fully joking out.
[00:35:32]  And if she becomes Joker, because I'm her sidekick, I become Harley Quinn.
[00:35:38]  I don't want that to happen.
[00:35:40]  But here's the thing.
[00:35:40]  Don't do me the just life of sidekickery.
[00:35:43]  Joker is person of the people.
[00:35:46]  So we would have to have, you know, full uprising to even begin a genesis of a Batman.
[00:35:55]  True.
[00:35:55]  And the lady Joker, too.
[00:35:57]  That would be, I mean, that would be a very San Francisco, wouldn't it?
[00:36:00]  But beyond that, no, I mean, it wasn't just those crazy Batman Twitter people, but people have been losing.
[00:36:09]  Tech people were losing their shit.
[00:36:11]  And it was hilarious.
[00:36:12]  I love it so much.
[00:36:14]  It's fantastic.
[00:36:16]  So much life.
[00:36:16]  And they're like, this is going to be just, they're not going to charge anyone for breaking windows.
[00:36:23]  They're not, you know, it's like people are rediscovering.
[00:36:26]  Like what?
[00:36:27]  Yeah.
[00:36:27]  It's, it's wow.
[00:36:28]  I mean, they think that people, all those people breaking windows, first of all, getting arrested in the first place.
[00:36:32]  By the way, it's not happening right now.
[00:36:33]  San Francisco PD has like a 50% solve rate on murders.
[00:36:36]  How do you think they're doing on broken windows?
[00:36:38]  Yeah.
[00:36:39]  All they do literally is just throw people's tents into the fucking gutter.
[00:36:42]  No, these tech people, first of all, they all moved here like eight months ago.
[00:36:47]  Think they all run the city.
[00:36:49]  Yeah.
[00:36:49]  Get paid $250,000 or whatever to literally do nothing.
[00:36:54]  Still don't tip.
[00:36:55]  Don't tip.
[00:36:56]  And then power to the people, rise up, elect a good man as a progressive DA, which, by the way, we already tried having a tough on crime DA.
[00:37:06]  Guess who that was?
[00:37:08]  Kamala Harris.
[00:37:09]  She sucks dick.
[00:37:10]  She fucking sucks dick and ass.
[00:37:13]  So now they all think, you know, I saw one that was like, us techies, you know, we've got to make sure to get out the vote and make sure our voices get heard.
[00:37:23]  It's like, bitch, we hear your voices.
[00:37:25]  You know, you're still registered to vote in Des Moines.
[00:37:28]  Or fucking Austin.
[00:37:30]  Yeah.
[00:37:30]  Who gives a shit?
[00:37:31]  First of all, shut the fuck up.
[00:37:33]  We're taking back the city.
[00:37:35]  And I hate all you losers.
[00:37:36]  You're under arrest now, motherfucker.
[00:37:38]  Chase, so we're doing a purge once a year now.
[00:37:42]  Yeah, Chasa said purge legal once a year, but only for libertarians.
[00:37:46]  And I just got my first Chase of Kill the other day.
[00:37:49]  I'm fucking so, I call it a boudine body.
[00:37:52]  I'm so fucking ready for this.
[00:37:54]  And I just thought about this, too, because Dean Preston won in District 5.
[00:37:57]  Yes, another big one.
[00:37:59]  All three of us volunteered on that day.
[00:38:03]  He won by 188 votes.
[00:38:04]  That's like three volunteers worth.
[00:38:06]  Yeah, that's another big one that pissed people off.
[00:38:10]  People are really not happy about it.
[00:38:11]  They got real mad in my men.
[00:38:12]  Yeah, well, it's the Yimbies.
[00:38:14]  So, I mean, that was anything worse than a pedophile.
[00:38:17]  It's a Yimby.
[00:38:18]  I mean, sometimes there's a Nexus.
[00:38:21]  Yeah, let's talk about the Venn diagram there.
[00:38:23]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:38:24]  These Yimbies, first of all, they think, okay, we just need to build.
[00:38:29]  There's already the buildings.
[00:38:30]  There's 30,000 vacant apartments in fucking San Francisco.
[00:38:33]  No one's living in them.
[00:38:34]  You're just going to build more?
[00:38:36]  Build some more.
[00:38:37]  Fine.
[00:38:37]  Rich people are going to move into them.
[00:38:38]  And then they'll just leave the whole thing.
[00:38:41]  These fucking assholes, they take one micro economics class in undergrad.
[00:38:46]  Not even macro.
[00:38:47]  Don't know what that is.
[00:38:48]  They don't even know.
[00:38:49]  Oh, look, I'm not even going to get into that.
[00:38:51]  I'm only into the big picture, but go on.
[00:38:53]  No, they take one of them and they go, oh, well, you know, bought the laws of supply and demand.
[00:38:58]  You know, Berber, one, shut the fuck up.
[00:39:01]  You don't know what you're talking about.
[00:39:02]  Yeah.
[00:39:03]  Two, I'm stuffing you in a locker.
[00:39:06]  Which, by the way, is the size of your fucking pot apartment where you eat bugs like the little cuck you are.
[00:39:10]  That's what you are.
[00:39:11]  You are fucking bug-eating little bug men in your teeny fucking cubicles.
[00:39:16]  You will never get a wife.
[00:39:17]  That's right.
[00:39:18]  You will never get a husband.
[00:39:19]  We're bringing back, you know what?
[00:39:21]  I'm stealing bug men from the right.
[00:39:22]  Oh, yeah, absolutely.
[00:39:23]  Is that a right-wing thing?
[00:39:24]  Yeah, well, I'm taking it.
[00:39:26]  Yeah, it's Liz's now.
[00:39:27]  It's mine now.
[00:39:28]  And guess who's bug man?
[00:39:29]  You're bug man.
[00:39:30]  Yeah, that's.
[00:39:30]  Libertarian tech guy?
[00:39:32]  Libertarian tech girl?
[00:39:33]  You're all bug people.
[00:39:35]  Libertarian tech women are the most cucked human beings in existence.
[00:39:37]  It's so sad.
[00:39:38]  You know they're just, you know, they just want to share you, baby.
[00:39:40]  Oh, my God.
[00:39:41]  It's so sad.
[00:39:41]  Yeah.
[00:39:42]  Imagine.
[00:39:43]  You know what I have to say?
[00:39:44]  What?
[00:39:44]  I have, you know, it is true that I've gone through some political evolution.
[00:39:49]  Everyone has over the years.
[00:39:50]  Yeah, you were an anarchist until about a few years ago.
[00:39:53]  I'm just kidding.
[00:39:54]  I'm just kidding.
[00:39:55]  I have not been, I have never been an anarchist.
[00:39:58]  She's never been an anarchist.
[00:39:58]  Not even in high school.
[00:40:00]  Yeah.
[00:40:02]  Can't say the same.
[00:40:04]  But not out of high school.
[00:40:05]  But I will say that I have never, and this is, hello, again, never been an anarchist, so could never have been a libertarian.
[00:40:13]  Ooh, left or right.
[00:40:14]  You know why?
[00:40:15]  Because I have a fucking soul.
[00:40:18]  Women can have those.
[00:40:21]  These are the.
[00:40:23]  No, absolutely not.
[00:40:24]  So we're purging all you bugs.
[00:40:26]  Yeah.
[00:40:26]  And by the way, I know for those of you who are about to get mad, no, I'm not calling them golems.
[00:40:30]  Golems are cool.
[00:40:32]  And I'm allowed to call people that anyways.
[00:41:11]  Why have so-called pro- Oh.
[00:41:12]  Oh, this is one for you, Brie.
[00:41:14]  I am brew me up a fresh pot of Lipton, baby, because I'm about to go off.
[00:41:21]  I'm going to sip the tea.
[00:41:23]  Possibly spill the tea.
[00:41:24]  Okay, there you go.
[00:41:26]  Why have so-called progressive, and that's in quotations, progressive unions like SEIU, which is definitely a deep state union, interesting, endorsed Hillary in the past when it is clear crooked Hillary, thank you for calling her by her proper name, would rather hang out with child rapists than stand up for working people.
[00:41:46]  Good question.
[00:41:47]  So SEIU, there have been, I, listen, there are a lot of good people in SEIU.
[00:41:54]  I have a lot of friends who are SEIU members and people who are paid by SEIU to do, I don't know, whatever they do.
[00:42:02]  But I'm telling you, there is a reason why that union's color is purple and not red.
[00:42:07]  It is, I don't understand.
[00:42:10]  And this goes for a lot of unions out there, except for a couple, UE and ILWU and a couple other postal workers, etc.
[00:42:17]  If you are, if you are 100% on the side of the working man and woman, everybody else in this country, there is no way in hell you should endorse any Democrat besides Bernie Sanders or even come fucking close.
[00:42:30]  And I'm still, I'm talking about Elizabeth Warren, all the rest of these fucking jokers.
[00:42:34]  Nobody should have a chance.
[00:42:36]  Why did they endorse Hillary Clinton?
[00:42:39]  That's probably because the ex-president of SEIU immediately became a fucking charter school, like paid advisor after fucking dropping, or after taking, dipping out of the presidency.
[00:42:52]  He had, fucking, you read, you read that fucking Jane McLevy book, right?
[00:42:56]  I'm working through it.
[00:42:57]  I mean, that's that fucking, there are some, SEIU has done some shady motherfucking shit out there.
[00:43:02]  And if you are in a union, what you should do is try, like with the utmost strength to get them to endorse Bernie Sanders as soon as possible.
[00:43:15]  Few will have the courage to do this.
[00:43:17]  This is always a problem with unions, though.
[00:43:19]  But yeah, I mean, there are, there are, exactly.
[00:43:20]  Unions in America are totally denuded.
[00:43:23]  I mean, it's basically the groups of castrati.
[00:43:27]  There are two sides, basically, in the world.
[00:43:31]  There are the bourgeoisie and there are working people.
[00:43:34]  And you really got to pick one side.
[00:43:36]  And a lot of these unions try to waffle.
[00:43:38]  And there's really, it's, you know, there's no middle ground there.
[00:43:44]  You're on the rich man's side if you're trying to fucking toe the line.
[00:43:47]  Yeah.
[00:43:49]  So, okay.
[00:43:50]  Hi, guys.
[00:43:51]  Big fan.
[00:43:52]  I've been a fan since episode one.
[00:43:54]  Oh, thanks.
[00:43:54]  Oh, wow.
[00:43:55]  I'll keep my question short and sweet.
[00:43:58]  I just want a conclusive answer.
[00:44:00]  Uh-oh.
[00:44:02]  Do the elite really perform child sacrifices in occult rituals?
[00:44:07]  I read about Dutreau and the Franklin scandal, and the victims seem credible to me.
[00:44:12]  But the idea that something this insane goes on is like finding out the earth is flat.
[00:44:17]  Okay, first of all, the earth is flat.
[00:44:18]  Yeah, I mean, there's no question about it.
[00:44:20]  Yeah.
[00:44:21]  Just kidding.
[00:44:21]  The earth is not flat.
[00:44:22]  But I don't have a conclusive answer.
[00:44:26]  I'm sorry.
[00:44:27]  I will say that I have definitely gone down the rabbit hole and read websites that I probably shouldn't have.
[00:44:37]  Yes.
[00:44:37]  Certainly questionable sources.
[00:44:39]  Absolutely.
[00:44:41]  Do I believe they're telling the truth?
[00:44:43]  100%.
[00:44:44]  I think they're telling their truth.
[00:44:47]  Yeah, I mean, yeah, I don't know.
[00:44:52]  I mean, I think that there, I definitely think that that has occurred.
[00:44:57]  Yeah, absolutely.
[00:44:58]  I definitely, I don't think it's out of the question at all.
[00:45:03]  And I do think, that being said, when we say like satanic child ritual, satanic or demonic acts, like any assault of a child is definitionally a satanic act.
[00:45:21]  Oh, absolutely.
[00:45:22]  Yeah, totally demonic.
[00:45:23]  And there'll be one like nerdy kind of atheist, Satanist guy or whatever that's going to get mad at us.
[00:45:28]  By the way, yeah, who's going to get mad at us for saying that?
[00:45:31]  But 100%.
[00:45:32]  If you like molest a child, you are a demonic.
[00:45:35]  Don't be into Satan, you guys.
[00:45:36]  That's so cool.
[00:45:40]  But yeah, so I would say that just even any kind of assault violation of a child is, in my mind, a demonic ritual.
[00:45:53]  Yeah, I mean, no question about it.
[00:45:55]  Yeah.
[00:45:56]  That probably didn't answer your question, but we'll get to the, listen, we're going to get to the bottom of this.
[00:46:03]  I promise you.
[00:46:04]  And if we don't, you feel free to sue Liz.
[00:46:08]  So this next one has a lot of questions for us.
[00:46:13]  I don't know how many you want to answer about this.
[00:46:16]  We'll go round Robin.
[00:46:19]  And Brace, you ask this guy over here.
[00:46:22]  Okay.
[00:46:23]  And then he can ask me, and we'll keep going.
[00:46:27]  Liz, how do you stay sane and grounded while pursuing this darkness on a regular basis?
[00:46:31]  I was hospitalized once for not keeping a healthy distance between myself and politics.
[00:46:37]  Someone's bomb went off when they were making it, I see.
[00:46:40]  Since then, I've slowly managed to form a healthy boundary and relationship with political discourse and activism.
[00:46:45]  Obviously, humor is an effective buffer, but I'm curious how else the three of you managed the dynamic given your relentless pursuit.
[00:46:53]  I like it really gets to me sometimes.
[00:46:58]  I'm not going to lie.
[00:47:00]  Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've seen that happen.
[00:47:02]  There's like certain things I've read that are really upsetting.
[00:47:07]  And yeah, I mean, I don't need to get in.
[00:47:11]  I don't, yeah.
[00:47:15]  That being said, I mean, I kind of joked on this on another podcast, but like, my brain has been broken about politics for a very long time.
[00:47:25]  Yeah, yours is one of the most warped minds I've ever encountered.
[00:47:29]  Like, when they call you the joker, it's not a, it's not, I'm not doing a bit.
[00:47:33]  Yeah, I'm the clown princess of communism.
[00:47:37]  But, um, yeah, I, you know, there's the humor.
[00:47:42]  You know, we do that, I think, more for the listeners, but also for ourselves.
[00:47:46]  But also because I think the state of politics in America is such a fucking joke, it's hard not to laugh about it.
[00:47:55]  Yeah.
[00:47:55]  And I can't take any of it seriously because there's so little to actually take seriously.
[00:48:00]  Some women just want to watch the world burn.
[00:48:05]  This is the good question for you, Brace.
[00:48:08]  Do you have any recommended reading lists?

=== Non-Epstein Recommended Reading (08:26) ===

[00:48:11]  Not necessarily.
[00:48:11]  Well, this says Epstein adjacent tests or articles that cover anything from the CIA, blah, But I know that you've done a lot of reading about CIA operations, anti-communist operations.
[00:48:26]  Let me get actually my little reading book.
[00:48:28]  So I always read three books at a time.
[00:48:31]  I read one history book, one kind of non-fiction book, whether it's about politics or whether it's about whatever.
[00:48:36]  Lately, it's been about a lot about this kind of stuff.
[00:48:39]  I read one novel at a time.
[00:48:41]  So what have I been reading lately?
[00:48:42]  I've been reading this book called Rogue Agents by David Teacher.
[00:48:45]  I just started that.
[00:48:46]  I've been reading this one called kind of intermittently, actually right before I fall asleep, called Inside the League, The Shocking Expose of How Terrorists, Nazis, and Latin American Death Squads Have Infiltrated The World Anti-Communist League by Scott Anderson and John Lee Anderson.
[00:49:01]  With that one, it's a little bit of a lib perspective because like, yeah, they infiltrated the world anti-communist.
[00:49:06]  It's literally all fascist groups.
[00:49:07]  Right.
[00:49:09]  The Coors Connection, NATO in the Balkans.
[00:49:12]  And there is a lot of all the other shit I have in here.
[00:49:15]  It's just like the national question and the class struggle by Bear Borokov.
[00:49:19]  That's actually like a Zionist text, but I was just checking it out to see.
[00:49:23]  Just reading about it.
[00:49:27]  Yeah, I think a lot of those books like Legacy Ashes are really good.
[00:49:33]  Basically, any book that purports to be like a side, like a peek into the CIA senior side, you should read.
[00:49:42]  With Epstein stuff in particular, I mean, literally the only book about Epstein is just that James Patterson book, which I've read.
[00:49:49]  It takes you about 30 minutes to read the whole fucking thing.
[00:49:52]  But you could do what I did, which was print out the entirety of the testimony and put it in binders and read it in your living room and hide it under a blanket.
[00:50:01]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:50:02]  All right, I'll read this one.
[00:50:05]  First of all, I want to point out that in the introduction to this question, the listener said, Listeners who ignore Young Chomsky are scum.
[00:50:13]  So that's, I agree with that.
[00:50:15]  The question is: non-Epstein recommended reading/slash watching, political and non-political, don't recommend music.
[00:50:21]  I only listen to Watching You by Young Chomsky.
[00:50:24]  Perfect question.
[00:50:27]  I am watching Righteous Gemstones.
[00:50:31]  Oh, it's so good.
[00:50:31]  It's really good.
[00:50:32]  It's good.
[00:50:32]  Yeah.
[00:50:36]  I don't know what I'm watching right now.
[00:50:38]  I've run out of shows.
[00:50:39]  Me?
[00:50:40]  I've been watching math problems.
[00:50:44]  I watched that 60 Minutes thing on Epstein.
[00:50:47]  Oh, I watched Chinstein.
[00:50:48]  I've pretty much only been watching shit like that.
[00:50:50]  I know.
[00:50:52]  My brain is broken.
[00:50:53]  Yeah.
[00:50:54]  What else?
[00:50:55]  Yeah.
[00:50:55]  I don't know.
[00:50:56]  I don't watch much, actually.
[00:50:57]  I have a really poor attention span when it comes to watching films and TV shows.
[00:51:03]  So I generally don't.
[00:51:04]  Yeah, you don't ever watch anything.
[00:51:06]  No.
[00:51:07]  A bunch of people have asked us this, so we should probably explain.
[00:51:11]  A bunch of people have asked how we all met.
[00:51:13]  Okay.
[00:51:16]  Well, I've known Mr. I'm sort of the nexus here because I introduced the two of you.
[00:51:21]  I met Young Chomsky through political work.
[00:51:24]  Yeah.
[00:51:26]  And I met Liz through punk rock music.
[00:51:30]  Yeah.
[00:51:32]  I've known Young Chomsky for like two or three years, I think, 2017.
[00:51:36]  Yeah.
[00:51:36]  Almost three years.
[00:51:38]  But I just met you.
[00:51:39]  Yeah.
[00:51:40]  this is crazy oh I got it I just got it.
[00:51:48]  I introduced the two of you.
[00:51:49]  My name is Bracey.
[00:51:53]  But yeah, Brace and I have known each other since we were 15.
[00:51:56]  Mm-hmm.
[00:51:57]  And hung out for intermittently.
[00:52:00]  We're never close friends.
[00:52:01]  No.
[00:52:02]  But your best friend dated my best friend.
[00:52:05]  Yes.
[00:52:06]  For a long time.
[00:52:08]  And yeah, as I said in an earlier episode, I once asked Liz out and she denied me.
[00:52:13]  Which never cursed her to doing a podcast with me.
[00:52:17]  A fate worse than anything.
[00:52:19]  That was like 10 years ago.
[00:52:21]  Yeah.
[00:52:22]  Yeah, we knew each other when we were like 15.
[00:52:26]  We just from being at like punk clubs.
[00:52:28]  Yeah.
[00:52:29]  Because I was a punk when I was a teenager.
[00:52:31]  It's true.
[00:52:33]  And I was a punk until like long after I was a teenager.
[00:52:38]  And then I guess we like kind of became friends-ish again when I moved back to San Francisco.
[00:52:43]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:52:43]  From New York.
[00:52:45]  Yeah.
[00:52:45]  And then got back in touch kind of when you were in Syria.
[00:52:50]  Yeah.
[00:52:50]  Weirdly enough.
[00:52:51]  I don't know.
[00:52:53]  I don't know.
[00:52:53]  Been talking for some time.
[00:52:54]  Yeah, it's been a long, crazy trip.
[00:52:58]  But yeah, Liz was like when this Epstein stuff first started creeping back up into the public consciousness.
[00:53:04]  Liz is like a psychopath.
[00:53:08]  And she's like a person that I know.
[00:53:12]  Like, you know, we talk about politics a lot, but I don't know this person through politics.
[00:53:17]  Right, right, right.
[00:53:17]  So that is like, I very much treasure those relationships where I can, it's somebody I knew before like all of this stuff.
[00:53:24]  All the craziness.
[00:53:24]  Yeah.
[00:53:27]  Hey guys, are you familiar with the book Chaos by Tom O'Neill?
[00:53:30]  Oh yes.
[00:53:31]  He puts forth some theories surrounding a known CIA operative named Dr. Jolly West and his claim to have unlocked the secrets of mind control.
[00:53:39]  West spoke to Jack Ruby alone for hours before declaring him insane, which was obviously a point of suspicion among Ruby's lawyers.
[00:53:46]  If the CIA does have this capability, is it possible Jeffrey did kill himself, but not on his own volition?
[00:53:52]  I know this is some Galaxy Brain shit, but I just want to hear your thoughts on our intelligence agency's technological capabilities.
[00:53:59]  Thanks.
[00:54:00]  That's from Liam.
[00:54:01]  Liam, thank you.
[00:54:02]  That is actually not a Galaxy Brain take.
[00:54:05]  It's not Galaxy at all.
[00:54:06]  I mean, if you read Chaos and you know about the Jolly West stuff, then you know that there are some other incidents involving...
[00:54:13]  First of all, Jolly West, perfect fat guy name.
[00:54:15]  I know.
[00:54:16]  It's really, it's like too much.
[00:54:18]  Maybe that's also an op.
[00:54:20]  Yeah, it could be.
[00:54:20]  Be like, oh, this must be.
[00:54:21]  It's like Fatty Arbuckle, who apparently was framed.
[00:54:24]  I didn't know that.
[00:54:24]  Oh, he was.
[00:54:25]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:54:26]  Yeah.
[00:54:26]  But yeah, I've actually always kind of held that theory.
[00:54:32]  It could be 10% true that Epstein was mind-controlled into actually killing himself because we don't know what his visitor log was looking like at MCC.
[00:54:41]  I mean, it literally has happened before, though.
[00:54:44]  Yeah.
[00:54:45]  And it's, if you read that Jack Ruby testimony, too.
[00:54:49]  It's wild.
[00:54:49]  It's fucking wild.
[00:54:50]  Yeah.
[00:54:51]  And it's like, you can see him descending.
[00:54:54]  We should remember that a lot of MK Ultra techniques are still used to this day.
[00:55:02]  Yeah.
[00:55:03]  Especially, and this is known.
[00:55:05]  I mean, they used it with prisoners in Guantanamo and in rendition sites overseas.
[00:55:12]  Waterboarding comes from MKUltra techniques.
[00:55:16]  Yeah.
[00:55:18]  That's not specifically mind control, but breaking down people, that's definitely part of the whole, you know, system.
[00:55:24]  So the idea that these are that we aren't like still living with what we can call like these technologies is just not true.
[00:55:32]  It's weird.
[00:55:33]  I think a lot of people assume that because MK Ultra has kind of been like swept under the rug and it's this, it's, you know, CIA has halfway admitted, it's like the shameful thing in history that like for some reason we didn't learn, like all that knowledge gained during that time was like dark knowledge was lost, right?
[00:55:50]  Like because they hid all the documents learned their lesson.
[00:55:54]  Yeah, they're like, oh, well, we learned a lesson.
[00:55:55]  We'll never use these techniques that we perfected and in fact invented again, which is ridiculous.
[00:56:01]  No, I mean, it's like well documented that they literally use this on prisoners overseas at recognition sites.
[00:56:06]  And another thing too is that like, yeah, this Jolly West, I mean, first of all, there's a new biography of Sidney Gottlieb that just came out that I've been doing.
[00:56:13]  Oh, I did.
[00:56:14]  I saw that.
[00:56:15]  And we got to do an app on him.
[00:56:16]  I mean, the guy was fucking insane.
[00:56:18]  Chaos is a fantastic book, though.
[00:56:21]  It is.
[00:56:22]  It's really good.
[00:56:22]  It's a real fun read.
[00:56:26]  I read it pretty quickly, actually, even though it is quite dense.
[00:56:30]  But then, you know, getting into all the Manson stuff and the, you know, I have my own stuff about Laurel Canyon and what was going on at that time over there.

=== Why Manson Loves Chaos (04:02) ===

[00:56:38]  Possibly still.
[00:56:39]  Possibly still.
[00:56:41]  But it's a really good idea.
[00:56:42]  I found it.
[00:56:43]  It's a really good introduction because we got this question a lot.
[00:56:45]  It's a good introduction.
[00:56:46]  It's like, how do I turn people on to like the fact that like, you know, how do I get them to see through the scanner darkly?
[00:56:54]  Is it can be difficult because it's really easy to write off a lot of stuff as crank stuff.
[00:57:00]  But Tom O'Neill in writing this book is very aware of how all of this sounds, where he's like, listen, I know this sounds nuts and I know I sound like a crank, but like bear with me here because it'll play out.
[00:57:10]  And it does.
[00:57:11]  He does it very convincingly.
[00:57:12]  It's like an actually very well written book, just from like a literature perspective.
[00:57:17]  And it's a really, I think chaos is a really good introduction to sort of seeing the world in this way.
[00:57:24]  Yeah, holidays are coming up.
[00:57:26]  Great secret Santa gifts.
[00:57:28]  Plus, everyone loves Manson.
[00:57:29]  Everyone loves Manson.
[00:57:31]  You got to learn about the CIA.
[00:57:34]  Not that Manson.
[00:57:36]  Brace, this question's for you.
[00:57:37]  Okay, my computer died, so you got to read it to me.
[00:57:39]  Oh, perfect.
[00:57:40]  I guess I'm reading all of them.
[00:57:42]  A-S-M-A-R.
[00:57:44]  Brace.
[00:57:45]  Yeah.
[00:57:45]  What makes Marxist-Leninism better than all the other quadrillion official number permutations of Marxism?
[00:57:53]  So a lot of people don't know this, but I'm actually a Hojaist.
[00:57:55]  Well, I mean that semi-ironically.
[00:57:58]  I have spent a lot of time with Hojaists.
[00:58:00]  But Marxism-Leninism is, I mean, first of all, a lot of people call themselves like MLs or Marxism.
[00:58:06]  I just call myself a communist usually.
[00:58:07]  Yeah, same.
[00:58:08]  Don't be a dork.
[00:58:09]  Or a Lenin communist.
[00:58:10]  Exactly.
[00:58:10]  But like, It is a way of organizing sort of a revolutionary party, Leninism, in a way, in a way that like one of the only ways that ever proven effective, which is a cadre system where people take these directives that are decided on democratically and then everyone sticks to it.
[00:58:27]  It's really one of the only ways, I think, to have a disciplined base.
[00:58:30]  Even the YPG I was with, or the PKK, et cetera, they are not a Marxist-Leninist party in the traditional sense, but they still function along the lines of democratic centralism, which is a Leninist model.
[00:58:41]  Yeah.
[00:58:43]  Yeah, I think discipline being the key there.
[00:58:45]  Oh, absolutely.
[00:58:45]  I mean, that is the thing that is like the American left in the past 50, 60 years has been probably the worst disciplined rabble in human history.
[00:58:55]  Yeah.
[00:58:55]  A bunch of university students.
[00:58:57]  Well, and you can also tell there's a lot of, there's, I mean, it's, it's, you know, you have these Marxist-Leninist microsects where it's like, if you have 20 people doing democratic centralism, it's a little different because that just means like four guys are deciding.
[00:59:08]  Yeah, that's not really like a different party structure.
[00:59:12]  It doesn't scale super well.
[00:59:13]  Right.
[00:59:14]  And that is, I mean, that is the task of the communists in America is the party building task, which people have been trying since the 60s to very unsuccessfully.
[00:59:23]  It sucks because, you know, people who call themselves MLs or whatever are the biggest dorks.
[00:59:29]  Oh, yeah, totally unfuckable.
[00:59:31]  It's like they wear a little funny outfit.
[00:59:34]  Everybody.
[00:59:35]  Sometimes they wear the Lenin hat.
[00:59:36]  Yeah.
[00:59:37]  Let it go.
[00:59:37]  Here's the thing.
[00:59:38]  Dress like your coworkers.
[00:59:39]  I'm a Leninist and I am very cool.
[00:59:42]  Yeah.
[00:59:42]  I mean, actually, all of us dress pretty good.
[00:59:44]  But that's the thing is like you, you, you need to be, I mean, the way I've always understood it is the communist needs to like be the hardest worker, the person who can, who has the answers for people.
[00:59:57]  And for that, you need to like stand up straight, put your shoulders back, keep your fucking room clean, and be disciplined in your life.
[01:00:05]  Yes.
[01:00:05]  Lift weights.
[01:00:06]  Lift weight.
[01:00:07]  Yeah.
[01:00:07]  Yeah.
[01:00:09]  Yes.
[01:00:09]  Lift weights.
[01:00:10]  Like, get in shape.
[01:00:11]  Be like, I mean, if you can.
[01:00:13]  And same for the ladies.
[01:00:16]  Yeah.
[01:00:16]  I work out every morning.
[01:00:18]  Yeah.
[01:00:19]  Yeah.
[01:00:19]  You do?
[01:00:20]  Damn, that's baller.
[01:00:21]  I go to, sorry, I go to my factory job every morning.
[01:00:23]  That's true where you work out.
[01:00:24]  I'm not using my back.
[01:00:26]  That's not good.
[01:00:27]  But like, the best thing is, because I work at a factory, I talk to my coworks that some of them, I don't talk about it, but some of them know I'm a communist.
[01:00:34]  And they're not like freaked out by it because I'm a hard worker who like can fuck around with them and be like, you're not cosplaying.
[01:00:40]  You're not costumery.

=== Think Would Normies Get On Board? (08:02) ===

[01:00:41]  Exactly.
[01:00:41]  And it's like, you take this seriously or you're not taking it seriously.
[01:00:44]  That's how I view it.
[01:00:45]  Yeah.
[01:00:46]  I also would, you know, I highly recommend people read Lenin.
[01:00:50]  Yes.
[01:00:51]  I think that you will find it, first of all, it's incredibly readable.
[01:00:55]  Yeah, super readable.
[01:00:56]  Yeah, very easily read.
[01:00:59]  Also, you know, it'll give you a lot to think about in terms of Like, like we say, discipline, but also organizing, like actual structures of organization.
[01:01:12]  Yeah.
[01:01:13]  And, you know, what it means to be strategic and pragmatic.
[01:01:22]  Yeah.
[01:01:22]  And not in a, not in a way that that gets thrown around in kind of like mainstream politics, like, uh, you know, like how Central sees it or whatever.
[01:01:31]  Yeah.
[01:01:32]  Yeah, not like that.
[01:01:33]  But what it means by like seeing opportunities and taking advantage of them.
[01:01:38]  But not being an opportunist.
[01:01:39]  No, no, no.
[01:01:40]  That's not what I mean.
[01:01:41]  I know I'm saying, like, by taking off.
[01:01:43]  By being like ruthlessly pragmatic.
[01:01:46]  Yeah.
[01:01:46]  And ruthlessly strategic.
[01:01:48]  Exactly.
[01:01:49]  Yeah.
[01:01:49]  I mean, that was what Lennon was all about.
[01:01:50]  Absolutely.
[01:01:51]  And like, he did it.
[01:01:52]  Like, if you should learn from it.
[01:01:55]  Absolutely.
[01:01:58]  Louise Lennon.
[01:01:59]  I like that.
[01:02:00]  It's got a little ring to it, doesn't it?
[01:02:02]  It's a little cheesy.
[01:02:05]  Okay.
[01:02:05]  What celebrity, if revealed to be a pedophile, do you think would break the public's hearts the most?
[01:02:11]  Jeff Goldblum.
[01:02:13]  I don't know.
[01:02:14]  David Lynch.
[01:02:15]  David Lynch.
[01:02:16]  Oh, my God.
[01:02:16]  Oh, Lord.
[01:02:18]  Yo, that's actually totally.
[01:02:20]  Yeah.
[01:02:20]  But you know which one would be really bad?
[01:02:22]  Who?
[01:02:22]  Oprah.
[01:02:24]  What if Oprah?
[01:02:26]  Oprah 8.
[01:02:27]  Like, I'm just trying to think of like normies.
[01:02:29]  Because like, normies would be like, David Lynch, who?
[01:02:32]  Even though I would be like, I would have to commit like ritual suicide.
[01:02:36]  I'm a mandated reporter, so.
[01:02:38]  But Oprah would like break people's brains if they were like, oh my God, this woman.
[01:02:43]  I don't know.
[01:02:44]  We found out Hillary Clinton was a pedophile.
[01:02:47]  That didn't work.
[01:02:48]  She's white Oprah.
[01:02:50]  She is not white Oprah.
[01:02:52]  She's not?
[01:02:53]  Yeah, she's actually, you don't get a plane.
[01:02:55]  You don't get a plane.
[01:02:57]  I feel like White Oprah.
[01:02:59]  I, yeah.
[01:03:00]  I think David Lynch is a pretty perfect answer.
[01:03:03]  I think a lot of people were really bummed out about Matt Groenig, the Simpsons guy.
[01:03:07]  Oh, yeah, with his dirty little feet.
[01:03:09]  Virginia Jeffrey was like, actually, he's a gentleman.
[01:03:11]  He's also my friend's stepdad.
[01:03:13]  That's like not a way to.
[01:03:15]  Wait, no, his ex-wife is my friend's stepmother.
[01:03:17]  What?
[01:03:17]  Make it better, though.
[01:03:18]  It's like, oh, he wasn't a creep when he was on the pedophile plane.
[01:03:21]  Yeah.
[01:03:21]  Well, but she did give him a foot massage, so I don't know.
[01:03:26]  The massage thing is just.
[01:03:27]  I think George Clooney would be kind of a bummer.
[01:03:29]  I would be so happy.
[01:03:31]  He's too handsome.
[01:03:32]  Then I could be like, look, being handsome is actually bad, ladies.
[01:03:36]  You need a guy who has, whose nose can actually, if he puts his lips up, fit into his mouth.
[01:03:43]  So curved.
[01:03:45]  I'm going to go with Usher.
[01:03:46]  I don't think that would bump people up.
[01:03:48]  Really?
[01:03:49]  You think they'd be happy?
[01:03:50]  Obama.
[01:03:51]  Oh, my God.
[01:03:52]  You know, Obama's not a pedophile.
[01:03:54]  I know, but that would really bump people up.
[01:03:55]  I think Ryan Gosling would be a bummer too.
[01:03:57]  You were saying this earlier, and I'm like, I don't think so.
[01:04:00]  I think how many people would be like, I wish, I think they would just go with it.
[01:04:03]  Yeah.
[01:04:03]  Like, they'd be into it.
[01:04:04]  that I know someone who's love with him.
[01:04:06]  Yeah, I do.
[01:04:07]  They'd be like, I'd do some DDLG stuff with him.
[01:04:10]  No, don't say that.
[01:04:12]  Daddy Daddy Little Girl.
[01:04:13]  How many times have we talked to others on this?
[01:04:15]  Sorry, it's been a long day.
[01:04:19]  Yeah, I don't, I, I, I would, I mean, who knows?
[01:04:23]  If they ever want to make pedophilia like cool, they'll have a guy like him come out of it.
[01:04:27]  Ugh, gross.
[01:04:27]  I don't like this conversation anymore.
[01:04:29]  All right.
[01:04:29]  Well, we'll continue it later.
[01:04:31]  Um, okay, serious question.
[01:04:33]  Yeah.
[01:04:34]  I don't have any theories.
[01:04:35]  Thank you.
[01:04:36]  But in light of the Jeet stuff, so you're going to have to explain this for a second.
[01:04:40]  I was wondering if you have noticed any difference between left and right takes on Epstein theories.
[01:04:44]  I think a lot of people have a hard time seeing things like this beyond the lens of partisan politics.
[01:04:49]  I've actually seen people get mad.
[01:04:51]  A criticism of the Daily Show Hillary interview pointing out Trump's Epstein ties.
[01:04:56]  I think the basic premise that the suicide is bullshit would be equally accepted across the spectrum, but I wonder how far you could go beyond that.
[01:05:03]  Thanks, Jordan.
[01:05:04]  So G here was Jeet here, who is, he's a writer for one of those fucking New Republic or the Atlantic or one of those bullshit rags.
[01:05:11]  He was talking about how Epstein didn't kill himself is like a right-wing meme and like a gateway to fascism.
[01:05:16]  Yeah, he's like recruiting fascists.
[01:05:18]  Yeah, which man.
[01:05:20]  But it is true, I think, that the, because, you know, there's been this Epstein didn't kill himself shit going on lately, which is great.
[01:05:27]  We like it.
[01:05:28]  But it's true that the right is like, can be more agile with stuff like that.
[01:05:33]  And where the left is, has this sort of like stuffy self-seriousness.
[01:05:37]  Almost like it's liberal.
[01:05:39]  Yeah, exactly.
[01:05:40]  And it's like, it's, it's, no, like, literally the entire ruling class in the United States turns out to be like satanic pedophiles.
[01:05:47]  We should probably make like kind of a big deal about this.
[01:05:50]  But then again, the right has been preparing for this for years with Pizzagate and QAnon and stuff.
[01:05:54]  So they've been having, the storm has been coming for them for a long time.
[01:05:58]  Maybe they're just, the groundwork is a little more laid.
[01:06:00]  I don't know.
[01:06:01]  But it's, it's, it's, like, I think this should be, and I'm not just saying this because it's, we do a podcast about it.
[01:06:08]  Like, this is a big deal.
[01:06:09]  Yeah.
[01:06:09]  And like, not a lot of people, like, a lot of the poo-pooing of it I see, I keep saying poo-pooing that way, is from like so-called left, like liberal outlets.
[01:06:19]  Yeah.
[01:06:19]  It's like, no, you should be running like concern trolling investigations in this, actually.
[01:06:23]  They should be demanding it.
[01:06:24]  Like aristocrats and princes and businesses.
[01:06:28]  Literally the ruling class.
[01:06:29]  Like actually, like Bill Clinton and Donald Trump, the Bill Gates.
[01:06:34]  Yeah.
[01:06:35]  Like, yeah, I don't know.
[01:06:36]  Jonah Musk, all these mothers.
[01:06:37]  Peter Thiel, dude.
[01:06:39]  Like, I don't understand the, like, reticence other than, well, I mean, I do understand it.
[01:06:47]  I don't know if I should say it on the podcast, but.
[01:06:49]  Sorry face.
[01:06:50]  What?
[01:06:50]  Sorry, face.
[01:06:52]  No, I mean, I just, I think it's a, it's really unfortunate and clarifying.
[01:06:58]  Yeah.
[01:06:58]  And, you know, again, if we want to say to be ruthlessly strategic, this seems like bad strat.
[01:07:08]  Yeah.
[01:07:08]  I would not let a case that is so clearly about the depredations and the depraved nature of the ruling class.
[01:07:20]  Absolutely.
[01:07:21]  I mean, all that.
[01:07:21]  Like, get into the hands of the right.
[01:07:25]  Here's the thing is that like there is a lot of like fake news or whatever and people are concerned like like are confused.
[01:07:30]  Who cares?
[01:07:32]  But like what I'm saying is like one thing that like everyone I know who works who I work with and like I hang out with and see on the street that aren't like political people, the one thing that they know is true and that they know that rich people and the media is fucking lying to them about is the so-called suicide of Jeffrey Epstein.
[01:07:49]  And if the only people who are like, if the people who are like actually telling them like, oh yeah, we agree with you, look, we see that too are from the right, well, they're going to go with them because they think they're the truth tellers.
[01:07:58]  So you're a fucking fool if you pass this opportunity out.
[01:08:01]  Well, it just shows, I mean, to me, it's just like, it really shows where, like, people's viewpoints.
[01:08:10]  Yeah.
[01:08:10]  Like, if they don't see that this is such a clear case of like, you know, class antagonism.
[01:08:20]  Yeah.
[01:08:21]  And that it's an opportunity and like kind of a window, then I don't think they see that dynamic in any other issue that they are purportedly care about.
[01:08:33]  Agreed.
[01:08:33]  Yeah.
[01:08:34]  Whether that's in their own little versions of activism or whether that's in whatever they do politically or socially.

=== Skincare Secrets Revealed (02:04) ===

[01:08:43]  But if they don't understand how this all kind of paints a picture, a large picture that can be easily globbed onto by regular ass fucking people who, by the way, you need on your side, then one, don't be in charge of any shitty movement or a good movement.
[01:09:01]  Two, get the fuck out of the way and let people who know what they're doing get in charge.
[01:09:05]  Yep.
[01:09:07]  We are like really running out of time, probably because we went off so hard on the bug people of San Francisco.
[01:09:13]  I'm locked and loaded.
[01:09:14]  But I liked this question.
[01:09:16]  What do we got?
[01:09:17]  Brace, what's your skincare routine?
[01:09:19]  Oh my God.
[01:09:20]  So as most people know that I've got this weird shit where my head is totally fine, but neck down, I have more dandruff than I think you can even imagine.
[01:09:28]  That's not, no, that's not true.
[01:09:30]  From yeah, from about my chin to my toes, I am mostly dandruff.
[01:09:35]  And it's horrible.
[01:09:37]  I'm scaly like a snake.
[01:09:38]  Now, my skincare routine is this.
[01:09:40]  I sweat a lot at work, so when I come home, I use a little some fucking shit.
[01:09:44]  I brought Walgreens to clear my face.
[01:09:46]  And then I use soap when I take a shower.
[01:09:50]  And then Liz, you have also been putting this serum on me lately that has been slowly turning me even lighter.
[01:09:56]  No.
[01:09:57]  She's trying to de-Mediterraneify me, she says.
[01:10:00]  That's actually a thing, you know?
[01:10:02]  Wait, is it really?
[01:10:02]  Skin whitening?
[01:10:03]  Yeah.
[01:10:04]  Oh, yeah, I do.
[01:10:05]  That's weird.
[01:10:06]  Yeah, it's like a Korean skincare thing.
[01:10:08]  Yeah, I don't like that.
[01:10:10]  I have a very elaborate skincare routine.
[01:10:12]  What's laid on me, baby?
[01:10:14]  I think every morning I use like five things, and every night I use at least six things.
[01:10:20]  I will say, Liz has great skin.
[01:10:22]  Thank you.
[01:10:23]  I've never seen a pimple on Liz.
[01:10:25]  Oh, that's very sweet.
[01:10:26]  And I look for pimples on women.
[01:10:30]  I also own a device that like electrocutes my face.
[01:10:33]  Is it the mask?
[01:10:34]  No, it's not the mask.
[01:10:35]  It's like a little device that's a microcurrent.
[01:10:38]  Does she?
[01:10:39]  Yeah.
[01:10:40]  I'm going to come over and you can't see.
[01:10:41]  Smoking mask.
[01:10:44]  Skin.
[01:10:45]  P-A-R-T-Y?

=== Mask and Tool (05:40) ===

[01:10:47]  Because I want to.
[01:10:48]  Yeah.
[01:10:50]  No, I use this thing that like, it's like a device that microcurrent like electroshocks your face into being temporary.
[01:10:56]  Oh, yeah.
[01:10:57]  No, I'm aware of it.
[01:10:58]  I see it all the time.
[01:11:00]  Chelsea, what do you use?
[01:11:02]  I exfoliate with Jack Black Facebuff.
[01:11:07]  That's a good product.
[01:11:08]  He's a Jack, Jack Black's product.
[01:11:10]  Yeah, he does a lot.
[01:11:11]  He's really diversified.
[01:11:13]  I use some coconut oil products.
[01:11:20]  But it's pretty simple.
[01:11:22]  It's my good Eastern European genetics.
[01:11:27]  Okay, so final question, because we're running out of time, and this is a good thing to end on.
[01:11:32]  And this ties back to kind of what we were talking about just a couple of minutes ago.
[01:11:37]  What do we got?
[01:11:38]  Hi, Truanon.
[01:11:39]  Hey.
[01:11:40]  Hello.
[01:11:41]  Love the podcast.
[01:11:43]  Necessary once the Epstein discourse has become tufted.
[01:11:47]  Question.
[01:11:48]  How do we keep this thing kind-heartedly in the heads of people?
[01:11:53]  I say this before, I know, spending multiple hours at my parents' Mexican restaurant this holiday season where I'll be motivated to discuss.
[01:11:59]  Keep doing what you're doing.
[01:12:01]  So kind-heartedly is a tough one because I usually just scream at people.
[01:12:06]  No, true.
[01:12:07]  It's the thing is, most people agree that Epstein did not kill himself.
[01:12:13]  Like literally the majority of people don't think it's true.
[01:12:17]  And that is, you know, you've got good chances there, but it's difficult because a lot of people just, I mean, they watch TV or they read the New York Times.
[01:12:25]  It's not in there.
[01:12:26]  And so if it's not in there, it's not news.
[01:12:28]  I mean, that's just how we're sort of trained to function.
[01:12:31]  So it's hard.
[01:12:32]  Yeah, I mean, I think the easiest way, like if I was in that conversation, I mean, I don't have this problem with my parents because I, yeah, my family's funny.
[01:12:41]  Yes.
[01:12:42]  But, you know, I have definitely, I was at a wedding like a couple months ago and it came up like a lot just in conversation and people didn't know about the podcast.
[01:12:54]  And the easiest way is, so do you think Epstein killed himself?
[01:12:57]  Yeah.
[01:12:58]  And you'll be surprised.
[01:12:59]  People just start talking.
[01:13:01]  Oh, yes, they do.
[01:13:02]  Yeah.
[01:13:02]  We had that experience at a wedding too.
[01:13:06]  Yeah.
[01:13:06]  People love to answer that question.
[01:13:08]  And then once you have that question going, that's kind of like your gateway into seeing kind of where you can take the conversation next.
[01:13:18]  Yes.
[01:13:19]  And that could either be from, well, I've been listening to this podcast that's been talking about something.
[01:13:25]  People be loving podcasts.
[01:13:27]  Or, oh, well, did you know actually that he has like all these weird ties to the CIA?
[01:13:32]  I know this sounds crazy.
[01:13:34]  Yeah.
[01:13:34]  But, or it could be, you know, there's just like a lot of different angles.
[01:13:42]  It's, you know, people love salacious royal shit.
[01:13:44]  They do.
[01:13:45]  So Prince Andrew, great name to drop.
[01:13:47]  Yeah.
[01:13:48]  And kind of, you know, just getting people thinking about it and then thinking about the cover-up and what this means.
[01:13:55]  And yeah, I think that's a good way.
[01:13:58]  But in terms of like, I mean, I know there are other questions that we didn't get to where people are really asking, like, okay, what do we do next?
[01:14:07]  And I don't, um, I don't have a lot of answers for that, which is maybe not something I should say.
[01:14:13]  For what do we do?
[01:14:14]  What do we do next, like, to solve the case?
[01:14:17]  Like, what do we do now that we know all of these things?
[01:14:19]  Which, by the way, we don't know anything.
[01:14:21]  First of all, we do not know everything.
[01:14:22]  Second of all, I'm literally trying to solve this case.
[01:14:25]  I know.
[01:14:26]  Like, this isn't like, I'm not just reporting on this.
[01:14:28]  I'm actually like trying to figure this whole thing out.
[01:14:31]  And you should be too.
[01:14:32]  I mean, this Epstein meetup thing they're doing in New York, great idea.
[01:14:35]  Love it.
[01:14:37]  But I would try to like, I mean, Epstein, obviously, Epstein is not the end of this political project or whatever.
[01:14:44]  Like, or Epstein isn't like, it's not like the goal isn't to just like solve the Epstein case.
[01:14:48]  I mean, my goal literally actually is to solve the Epstein case, but there's goals beyond that.
[01:14:52]  But Epstein is a really useful tool to use to be like, well, an explanatory tool.
[01:14:57]  An explanatory tool.
[01:14:59]  And it's also like a tool you can use against your.
[01:15:01]  It's like how Mao Zedong said, communism is not love.
[01:15:04]  It is a hammer we use to crush our enemies.
[01:15:06]  Epstein is the same way.
[01:15:08]  Epstein is not just a dead or maybe not dead man.
[01:15:11]  He is a hammer which we use to crush our enemies.
[01:15:14]  And you can't, Clinton comes back in the race, crush it with Epstein.
[01:15:18]  Trump, crush him with Epstein.
[01:15:20]  Anybody you don't like, rich people, they've probably been on the plane.
[01:15:24]  Look at the black book, crush them with Epstein.
[01:15:27]  Yeah.
[01:15:27]  Tesla stock going down.
[01:15:29]  Well, actually, going up, excuse me, crush it with Epstein.
[01:15:32]  Yeah.
[01:15:32]  All of it.
[01:15:34]  Yeah.
[01:15:34]  So my advice would be: I own several pistols.
[01:15:37]  Clean them all the time.
[01:15:42]  Oh my gosh.
[01:15:43]  Okay.
[01:15:43]  With that, I think we've gone over a little bit, but there's just so many questions.
[01:15:49]  I want to thank you guys all for sending us so many thoughtful questions and responses.
[01:15:54]  We didn't get to all of them.
[01:15:55]  There were so many.
[01:15:56]  Messi boucool.
[01:15:59]  And we will be back soon.
[01:16:02]  Yes.
[01:16:03]  And for all of you people that live in the Bay Area, we hope to see you next Thursday.
[01:16:07]  Yes.
[01:16:09]  We've been working, burning the midnight oil on this motherfucker.
[01:16:12]  So you better come out.
[01:16:13]  Yeah, I think it's going to be a real fun time.
[01:16:16]  Me too.
[01:16:18]  So with that, this is Brace Belden.
[01:16:22]  I'm Liz.
[01:16:23]  And Young Chomsky.
[01:16:24]  On the mic.
[01:16:26]  And we'll see you next time.