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Okay, so for the past four plus months since 9-10-2025, I think it's safe to say that from this desk and across the network, we have extensively covered from just about every angle imaginable the assassination of Charlie Kirk and the broad daylight, right out in the wide open, undeniable cover-up that has ensued since Charlie's death.
The federal government and the corporate media, all of the money-grubbing, power-hungry criminals at Turning Point USA, online influencers like Jack Posobiec, media personalities like Nick Fuentes and Alex Jones, all of these people who have firmly solidified themselves on the war-loving pro-Israel right that Charlie Kirk said that he was going to be forced to leave have been force-feeding us, beating us over the head with unrelentingly, a narrative that's just patently false.
By this point, everybody knows that Charlie Kirk wasn't killed by some kind of a radical leftist.
He wasn't murdered by a trans-chasing furry lover called Tyler Robinson.
And certainly, he wasn't shot through the neck with a 30-ot-6 that left no exit wound because the bullet was magically caught up in Charlie's neck bones of steel.
Okay, all of these things are things that just didn't happen.
But it's because those things didn't happen that we have seen this panicked and coordinated and fervent and concerted effort to drive that narrative home as hard as possible while gaslighting and attacking the character of anyone who steps out of line to think for themselves.
Anyone who gives first-person eyewitness testimony.
Anyone who asks questions or raises concerns or presents evidence or undeniable facts that run contrary to their spoon-fed narrative, a narrative that we can all now plainly see very obviously was built to protect Turning Point USA leadership, including Erica Kirk herself, by the way, a woman who, as we have begun this crowdsourced investigation, have learned a whole lot.
We've learned that this woman is quite literally just about everything that she says she isn't.
She's no trad wife.
She's not some kind of a puritanical supermom.
No, this is a woman who since her childhood has been connected to Eastern European orphanages in child trafficking hotbeds and who openly in the wide open proudly boasts about her family ties to the highest echelons of the military industrial complex, spanning entire continents.
Her mother, Lori Fransfield, that we've learned a whole lot about.
Her father, Kent alike, have milked the U.S. taxpayer for millions upon millions of dollars while working arm in arm with the Israeli government to spy on to surveill American citizens, like the ones that show up to Turning Point USA events like pyrotechnics infused memorials or TPUSA connected churches, including the one at UVU where Charlie Kirk lost his life and where since that assassination, the crime scene has been completely destroyed.
Just another aspect of this rolling cover-up here.
But speaking of the crime scene, there is another scene that's related to this case involving Charlie Kirk and Tyler Robinson that we haven't talked a whole lot about, and neither has anyone else for the most part.
And that scene is the courtroom.
And in the courtroom, if you look into the filings that are related to this case, it's pretty easy to see how desperate Erica Kirk and company are to hide the truth.
The truth about what happened, not just on September 10th at UVU, but on September 8th and 9th on Fort Huachuca, Arizona, and in the years preceding Charlie Kirk's death, plus all of the time that has passed in the months since he died, because now Turning Point USA is sending out cease and desist letters to small account YouTubers who ask too many questions.
Like this, Zach D. Gregorio, who runs this channel Wolves and Finance, and who dared to raise questions about TPUSA and Erica Kirk's connections to Charlie's assassination as it relates specifically to the Doge-style efforts that Charlie Kirk was engineering at Turning Point USA immediately before his death.
And all of this is really important because Charlie was shuffling around different positions, removing people from their positions, and bringing in outside auditors to take a look at the financial workings of TPUSA.
And rest assured, this is only the beginning.
Erica Kirk and Turning Point USA, with hundreds of millions, if not billions of dollars at their disposal and seemingly an army of lawyers on standby, what they're doing here is preying on someone that they believe to be an easy target so that they can send a message to everyone else out there on platforms like this one or the Candace Owens show that if you don't shut your mouth and stop asking questions, if you don't go along to get along, you'll be next.
It's not so different than the Alexis Wilkins case with Kash Patel dropping $5 million lawsuits against journalists and commentators and social media personalities who just ask the question, they wonder, is Alexis Wilkins an Israeli honeypot operative?
Kind of like people are seriously considering with Erica Kirk.
And speaking of cover-ups and legal filings, at this point, we're just way beyond YouTubers being served with papers.
And when I say the court scene, I'm not just talking about cease and desist letters, but I'm talking about the trial of Tyler Robinson or the trial of this individual that the FBI and that the media is telling us is some human being called Tyler Robinson.
Now, you might recall, but just last week or the week before, maybe, but recently, we spoke with Sheriff Richard Mack.
And Sheriff Richard Mack told us about an interesting conversation that he had with an attorney that works inside of the office that's prosecuting and trying this case against Tyler Robinson.
And that attorney, who works at the Utah County, Utah Prosecutor's Office, informed Sheriff Mack that he and others had absolutely no idea that the crime scene where Charlie Kirk was assassinated in front of 3,000 people in live attendance and billions online had been ripped up and destroyed.
The people inside of that office didn't even realize that the crime scene effectively just doesn't exist anymore because as it would seem, they are preparing a kangaroo court show trial without any real investigation.
Which is probably why just days after Charlie's death and immediately following the charging of Tyler Robinson, the Utah County Prosecutor's Office tabled the death penalty.
It took a matter of just days for them to announce that if they get a conviction, they're going to fry Tyler Robinson.
Their fake investigation or whatever the hell they're calling this dog and pony show wasn't even complete yet, but that didn't stop them, which is pretty unusual.
And you want to know what else is unusual?
The fact that just five days after Charlie Kirk's death, Erica Kirk began making court filings through an attorney based in Florida, which we'll get to in just a moment, requesting that she be designated as the victim's representative and be afforded all the rights given to victims of crimes under the Utah State Code.
Now, I don't think that it's unprecedented for one's wife to be the victim's representative.
Of course, that seems natural.
But what doesn't seem natural is the timing.
One would think that just five days after her husband died, Erica Kirk would be in the corner of some padded room somewhere in the fetal position, that she would be inconsolable.
But instead, Erica Kirk was making court filings through an attorney in Florida, which we'll get to again in a moment, and preparing for a media tour around the country.
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When you scratch the surface on that, just a little bit, you don't have to dig too deep to find out who Erica's attorney is.
And that raises yet even more questions.
Because Erica Kirk is being represented by an attorney called Jeffrey Neiman.
And also ranking among Jeffrey Neiman's clients is somebody called Alex Acosta, the former Department of Justice lawyer who's now globally infamous for giving Jeffrey Epstein a sweetheart plea deal back in 2008 when he was brought up on charges of trafficking and molesting teenage girls in and around Palm Beach, Florida.
Just stop and think about that for a minute.
When Charlie Kirk was killed, we know for a fact, thanks to our sources inside of Turning Point USA, of now which there are more, that Charlie Kirk was on the verge of quote going ballistic over Donald Trump's Epstein cover-up, as well as all of these wars that he's now starting.
And we also know, as I mentioned just a few moments ago, that Erica Kirk from the time that she was a child has been connected to orphanages in Eastern European hellholes, the type of places that Jeffrey Epstein and his brother Mark are also connected to.
And now she has an Epstein-tied lawyer who defended the guy who actually let this pedophile off the hook when he had the chance to throw him in prison for years on end.
Does that sit right with you?
Because it's not settling here.
And now with her Epstein-connected lawyer, Erica Kirk is moving to get this trial over with as quickly as possible.
And she's sending letters to the court system in Utah demanding that Tyler Robinson be fried ASAP.
As a matter of fact, we have obtained a copy of one of Erica's court filings, which we're going to put on the screen right now, in which she does just exactly that.
In this filing made in Utah County, Utah, dated January 16th, 2026, Jeffrey Neiman says, quote, Erica Kirk, by and through undersigned counsel, hereby asserts her rights under Utah Code 77-38-72 as the victim representative to a speedy trial, end quote.
Now, you might be scratching your head and thinking, as I did, isn't it usually the defendant who's asserting their right to a speedy trial?
And you would be correct because yes, it is.
It's also the defendant's right to waive their right to a speedy trial.
You know, when you're fighting for your life and there's thousands of witnesses, obviously that cannot be done expediently and pursuant to speedy trial confines.
But in this case, it's Erica Kirk who in this court filing employed Charlie's reputation as a staunch constitutionalist to justify making this filing in the first place.
It goes on to say, quote, nobody believed in the importance of the United States Constitution more than Charlie Kirk.
And although the United States Constitution does guarantee criminal defendants many rights, it does not guarantee them the right to cause undue delay in the criminal justice process, end quote.
And so then you sift through a little bit more legal jargon and the filing closes by saying that, quote, the court is tasked with the critically important function of ensuring that the defendant has a fair trial, but this court must also do so while balancing Mrs. Kirk's right to a speedy trial.
And therefore, this notice invokes Mrs. Kirk's rights under applicable Utah code.
End quote.
So, I mean, do you see what she's doing here?
Erica Kirk is now claiming that it would be a violation of both the United States Constitution and the state of Utah's Constitution to not convict Tyler Robinson as quickly as humanly possible.
Never mind the fact that Erica Kirk, according to Candace Owens, admitted herself during that four and a half hour sit-down meeting that she has seen nothing to indicate that Tyler Robinson is guilty outside of what the FBI and the corporate media have told the rest of us.
That's not important.
That's not important to Erica Kirk.
It's not important to TPUSA and everyone else involved here.
What is important to them is cementing the narrative, writing it into stone.
So in effect, what's going on here is that Erica Kirk is filing court paperwork to say that we have the narrative.
We have the story that the feds have sold us and that this assassination is all wrapped up.
It warrants no further investigation because that'll just slow things down.
So now it's time to get this show on the road and convict Tyler Robinson and execute him.
I mean, this just isn't normal.
This isn't how a normal trial goes down.
I can't even find another example of a victim or much less a victim's advocate or representative filing such a motion because it just doesn't happen.
I asked Grock on Censored AI.
I even went to ChatGPT and Google.
No, this is unprecedented in the American judicial system.
When you're the victim of a crime and you know that the guilty party or the person that you believe is guilty of committing a crime against you or your family is on trial, you want that person to be legitimately convicted.
You want the state to build a solid case, present the jury with all of the evidence and then throw that person who victimized you in prison or put them to death.
And you want to do all of that without the risk of sloppiness or bad information overturning that conviction in the future in some appellate court and ripping the justice that you thought that you had received right from your grip.
But in this case, no, Erica Kirk just wants this trial out of the way as fast as possible.
And look, there's a reason why these people want to convict Tyler Robinson so badly.
It's obvious, because once Tyler Robinson is convicted, whether he's truly guilty or not, or even if he exists or not, none of that will matter because he will be guilty in the eyes of the law.
And so therefore, he will be guilty in the eyes of the vast majority of the American people and from people all over the world.
Billions of people watched this on live stream or have seen the video since.
Tyler Robinson's name will be written into the history books right alongside Lee Harvey Oswald as an assassin instead of as a Patsy.
And at that point, the cover-up will basically just be complete.
Tyler Robinson, if he's convicted, will eventually, in all likelihood, be executed.
And Erica Kirk and Turning Point USA and the U.S. government and the FBI and the Israeli regime and everybody else involved here will just get off scot-free, just like they always do every single time.
Now, in just a minute, we're going to be joined by our next guest, our guest for this evening.
He's an attorney who's become very familiar with the Tyler Robinson court saga.
But before we do, I just wanted to make you all aware of something.
There is this narrative out there surrounding Tyler Robinson's legal representation.
And I personally have made comments about this.
And that narrative claims that Robinson's attorneys are just another cog in the kangaroo court machine meant to get a quick conviction and put this entire story to bed.
And I have also, I think, openly opined on that, but that's not necessarily true because in recent court hearings, particularly on Friday, the Robinson defense team has brought to the forefront the fact that the Utah County Prosecutor's Office has an attorney working in it that's personally tied to this assassination.
One of the prosecutor's daughters was actually present when Charlie Kirk was killed.
She was there.
She saw it up close and personal.
So is that a coincidence?
Well, I mean, I guess we don't really have any way of knowing that.
But what we do know is that this is yet just another anomaly.
It's bizarre and it's weird.
Just another fact that calls the legitimacy of this entire prosecution into question.
How can a prosecutor effectively try a man who believes that this person scarred his daughter for life by killing someone right in front of her?
And on top of that, Robinson's attorneys have gone down an even more interesting road by introducing to the court on the record the idea that, quote, other explosives were used in the Charlie Kirk assassination.
Like, oh, I don't know.
An exploding microphone, for instance.
So, there is a lot to all of this.
And to help us dig through this, we're now going to be joined by E.J. Pryor.
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He's an attorney from Bel Air, Maryland, more than 25 years of experience practicing law at a very high level.
And for more discussion on the courtroom aspect of the Charlie Kirk cover-up, E.J. Pryor joins us now.
Sir, thanks a lot for coming.
I appreciate you being here.
Happy to be here, Stu.
Yeah, so let's start there.
Let's start with the selection of attorney by Erica Kirk.
I mean, you're a practicing attorney.
You've been in and out of courtrooms for 25 years.
Do you find it peculiar or weird that she would retain an attorney from Florida, first off, but an Epstein-tied attorney at that?
I do.
And not only that, it's a lawyer whose practice area is white-collar crime defense with a background in prosecuting tax fraud.
And, you know, he does not have experience and he's not a criminal litigator.
And so it is very odd.
He's not admitted in Utah.
So he would have to be admitted pro-hoc viche.
The filings, I mean, there are multiple issues with the speedy trial filing.
One of them is he, you know, how is he admitted in Utah?
You know, misunderstanding of what the speedy trial provisions in Utah law, you know, are meant to provide and the way they operate.
But the choice of attorney is odd.
And it suggests because her filing came was initially on September 16th to make the request to be designated the victim representative, which I'm okay with that.
It seems very that she be the victim representative, but why that lawyer?
If it was me and someone had asked me, if you had asked me to write a will or to advise on a real estate transaction, that's not my practice area.
I would try and help you find another lawyer, but that is not something that I would involve myself in, particularly in another state.
So what does that suggest to you?
Does that suggest that she has a lot of people?
Oh, it suggests that there's a preexisting relationship.
And so I would like to know why, like, why and what's behind that?
Yeah, especially one that, as we noted, is tied to the most well-known connection.
Yeah, that came up.
And, you know, I mean, one of the unique things about this case is the crowdsourcing aspect.
And the Epstein connection came up on an X space hosted by an investigative journalist who goes by Diligent Denizen.
And it was actually, and you could feel the collective gas.
There must have been about 800 people in that forum.
This was on Saturday.
And when he discovered that, you could feel the collective gas.
Oh, my goodness, how could there be, you know, now there's an Epstein connection to the case.
Yeah, Diligent is doing great work.
If you're not following him, by the way, Diligent Denizen on Axe is doing great work on this stuff.
And I think very responsibly as well.
He's not subscribing to any one theory or another.
Yes.
He's trying to keep his spaces very objective and trying not to delve too far into radical conspiracy theories, but he's entertaining the idea of other means of death, of course, because now he sees that there is mounting evidence that just keeps on piling up that would suggest that, yeah, look, I mean, this guy wasn't shot by a bullet.
So I just give a lot of, just kind of a hat tip there to Diligent Dennison.
If you're not following, go check out his stuff because it really is the most objective kind of approach that you can see.
And there is, there's a lot of, there's a lot of people involved with this.
This is 100% a crowdsourced investigation, and it has to be because what we're hearing from the FBI is trash and garbage and it's just nothing but lies.
And, you know, the attempt to speed all of this up, which is what I want to get to next, is to cement all of those lies into history so that if you ever bring it up again, immediately you can be dismissed because people could just say, well, that trial was had.
That evidence was heard.
You know, your argument was tabled.
Clearly, a jury didn't find it to be compelling after the evidence that they reviewed.
And they convicted the guy and they sentenced him to death.
Why are we still going on about this?
And, you know, turning point will just be doing business as usual, which it seems that they are actually right now.
We've been awfully quiet, though, in my opinion, since the Mitch Snow interview on this platform.
But speak to the Epstein Connected Attorney now just recently on Friday as this hearing was underway, filing a motion representing Erica Kirk as the victim's representative and citing her constitutional rights to a speedy trial.
This seems backwards to me, so I'd like your opinion on this.
Yeah, no, it is.
First of all, just to take a step back, the speedy trial is something that is typically afforded to the defendant.
And it is a filing made very, very early on in the case.
So this is the first time I've ever seen the victim representative filing or somehow invoking.
Yeah, so why would she do something like that?
Well, I can't put myself in her mind, but whatever the reasons are, I can't think of a good one.
So it seems to me, I mean, it was just a couple of months ago that she was forgiving him at the memorial, and now she wants to string him up.
So that is peculiar to say the least and concerning.
I don't see as a practical matter that this filing will have any real effect.
I don't think the judge is going to suddenly speed up the trial.
You know, there are multiple problems with the filing.
One, it raised the question as what the choice of attorney stands out.
But also the interpretation of the law, the victim representative, that representative is supposed to represent the victim.
Charlie is the victim.
He's dead.
Erica is not the victim.
I mean, anyone that knew Charlie, the family are certainly affected by it.
But for the purposes of this, this is an individual designated to represent the interests of the deceased person.
And so, you know, when you read the speedy trial motion, it's all about Erica.
Erica asserts her rights.
That is not the purpose of the law.
What's more, the way the Utah statute is written, this is something that is required of the judge.
Anytime there is a continuance or postponement and a legal proceeding, the judge has to consider the impact of it.
But that does not require any party to move and make a request to speed up the hearing.
It's also not clear exactly what's being requested other than, you know, hurry up.
That's just hurrying to me.
Just hurry up and get this over with.
There's really nothing in there because considering Charlie's feelings in this is certainly not the thing.
I mean, Charlie's dead.
If I'm the defense team, I'm not really sure what am I supposed to do with this?
Do I, you know, respond?
Do I object or just ignore it?
And I don't know.
It is a bizarre ruling.
I'm not sure what.
Is this something that a judge could actually review and look at and say, well, Bap, that seems reasonable.
I'm going to sign that.
No, no.
Well, they didn't submit a, you know, if they wanted the judge to do something, they would at the same time have submitted a proposed order.
You know, they would draft the order for the judge.
The judges don't always draft their own orders.
They, they, they, they, the, the parties will submit, you know, orders, you know, approving or denying a motion or making certain, you know, stipulations in terms of the case's proceedings.
They didn't do that.
So I think, you know, what, you know, ultimately, when the judge issues an order, you know, either on the hearing, on the disqualification hearing, you know, they could take judicial notice, you know, that it was filed to at least, you know, acknowledge it.
But other than that, I mean, if the judge were to take that into consideration, I think there would be very significant due process concerns and perhaps, you know, open up, you know, an appellate that, you know, the defense could appeal on the grounds that the judge violated, that there was a violation of due process because the case was, you know, proceed at too fast a clip.
I don't think any of that will happen as a project.
I mean, just consider what's at stake here.
I mean, this guy's literally on trial for his life.
And, you know, I don't know that I need to say this over and over again, but there were 3,000 people there.
That's 3,000 witnesses.
And as far as I can tell, there's a lot of people that are yet to be interviewed in all of this.
How could you hurry this thing along and say, well, let's wrap this up in a couple of weeks here?
I got another media tour that I need to go on.
It just, it seems to me that it's preposterous.
And I looked at ChatGPT.
Yes, I did, because I want to go to these normie platforms and ask there too.
I went to Google and asked.
Google, ChatGPT, Grok, and uncensored AI, and none of them could find at all any case in our country's judicial system through all of the filings that have been made through various courts that all of these AI platforms would have access to.
Never.
It's never been done where a victim's representative has requested that a court move along and recognize that representative's right to a speedy trial.
It is the defendant's right, and it's the defendant's right to waive, is it not?
It is, yes.
And it's a routine filing for the defense.
I've never seen it.
I mean, there are some that have, you know, have the view that this is a routine filing.
And, you know, I'm just not one of them.
I've never seen this type of filing.
And normally that occurs right away at the beginning of all this, by the way.
This will happen like, you know, after somebody's arrested and they make their first appearance before a court to discuss bail conditions, they will say, I'm waiving my right to a speedy trial.
I want to collect discovery.
We want to see what the state has for evidence against this person, et cetera.
They want time.
So a lot of times, if they're even facing a couple months in jail, they will waive their right to a speedy trial, much less being executed.
That's correct.
And again, this is something that the judge already has to consider the entire scope of the proceeding and that the entire scope of the proceeding insofar as moving along.
There's no requirement that any other party, such as the victim representative, needs to make this type of request.
And this is not for, you know, the way that the speedy trial motion was written, it is, though, that it is Erica's right, but it's not Erica's right.
If it was anyone's right, it is Charlie's right because he would be the victim.
So We've seen a lot of commenting online about Tyler Robinson's representation, and we've heard people say, Well, the fix is in.
These people are terrible, they're horrible.
Why haven't they moved to dismiss this case yet?
There's just so much doubt already.
What is your perception of Tyler Robinson's legal team?
I've reviewed, I've been looking at the filings from the very beginning, and Stu, to be honest, I've seen no indication that Tyler is getting anything other than a very dedicated, qualified defense.
The hearing on Friday was, you know, the first half of the hearing may not have been their best showing, but in terms of the substance and raising this issue on the disqualification.
What makes you say that about the first half of their hearing?
What did you see that you didn't care for?
What happened in the first half of the hearing is the defense raised a new issue in terms of the disqualification motion that the Utah State's Attorney Office should not be representing itself, that it should have reached out and had the Utah Attorney General's office represent them for the purposes of that hearing.
And the problem with that is like I get the legal argument that they were making, certainly, but what they what it came too late.
That should have been made, you know, days before to just spring that on the judge and to go to suggest continuing the hearing on that basis just happened too late.
And it was a very bad look for the defense.
And in terms of the filings, however, I think he's getting a very qualified defense.
And, you know, what when it came for testimony last Friday with the chief attorney, chief prosecutor Jeffrey Gray,
The defense did manage to raise the issue that when the in terms of law enforcement and the prosecutor's office acknowledged that there was, they were not sure if that was, there would be more shots if there were other shooters or other explosive devices.
Yeah, they said those words.
They said quote, other explosive devices, and I think that that's a really serious thing.
So they've opened up, up the door.
Bear in mind that this hearing, you know, was not a full evidentiary hearing on the case.
There will be time for that in may.
This was about the narrow issue of disqualifying either an individual prosecutor or the entire prosecutor's office based on the uh conflict of interest of the child of one of the prosecutors being at UVU campus um, that day.
So um, what are your thoughts on that?
By the way?
Uh well, i'm sure a guy is going to look harder to convict a guy if his daughter was traumatized or he believes that she Was seeing this thing happen up close and personal, but isn't it the prosecutor's job to try to convict this guy by any means necessary, anyways?
Well, there's two aspects.
One, and what makes it very important is the very early decision by the prosecution to state that they were going for the death penalty.
And for that, there needs to be aggravating factors to the crime.
Was this early?
And in your experience, did they jump out on that really early?
They did.
Premature Prosecution00:15:38
As a matter of fact, the prosecution has until 60 days after the arraignment to announce or serve notice that they prosecute.
And this Robinson person hasn't even been arraigned yet.
He hasn't even been arraigned yet.
He hasn't even had the chance.
And all of this, everything that we've been covering in the last four-plus-month saga that we've been looking at, they haven't even had an arraignment where this guy enters a plea of guilty or not guilty.
Right.
So that was premature.
And that has come up a couple of times so far.
And I think was a mistake, a strategic mistake that they jumped the gun and they should not have done that.
And so, you know, did the fact that one of the prosecutors' child, did that influence the decision to seek the death penalty so soon?
So that's a legitimate question.
Now, to their credit, the state's attorneys did disclose the conflict of interest to opposing counsel, to the defense.
So that's good.
I've done a lot of work in conflicts of interests, you know, more on the corporate side.
And the most important thing you want to do first is the transparency, because that demystifies it.
The next thing you need to do is start to build in boundaries, safeguards.
I call them guardrails.
In this case, they talk about screening procedures.
So here, a potential way to mitigate the effect of the conflict would be for that particular attorney to recuse himself from the case.
That would have been an easy solution.
If for some reason they felt that that particular attorney was necessary to be on the prosecution team, they could have built-in guardrails whereby that prosecutor would not be involved in any depositions of witnesses who were at UVU that day,
would not take, you know, be involved in any affidavits or other evidence.
Why not just dismiss him from this altogether and just say, hey, this is the only thing that's not the same thing.
That's the simple solution.
But this guy's going to sit this one out.
But then, you know, I mean, obviously he's still working inside of that office, whether it be that the prosecutor's office says, well, he's working on other files.
He's still there in the brick and mortar dwelling that all of these other people he's weighing in.
Not necessarily.
I mean, well, if they.
We're talking about the most prolific assassination of my lifetime.
He's weighing in.
His daughter was there.
He's talking to his colleagues.
These are his buddies that he goes out for whiskey with in the evening time and has coffee with in the morning.
I mean, these people are talking about this in the hallways of this office.
So are the paralegals and the assistants and all these people.
It's the biggest case they've ever tried.
And so if his child was emotionally scarred from this, then that is going to affect the prosecution of the case.
Even if, and I'm partially defensive to lawyers, I mean, we can cordon ourselves off and Put in safeguards if there's a conflict and put up a Chinese wall.
You know, I would say that I would believe that if this were, you know, a low-level DUI, okay, but this is this is the Charlie Kirk assassination and this guy's daughter was there.
There's no way from a human perspective that this guy could avoid, you know, making comment or interjecting, even if it's with the, you know, the facsimile lady down the hallway in the mailroom.
I mean, he's, he's going to make comment about this.
It's just like everybody's commenting about this.
There's nobody in the world right now that's paying attention to anything that's happening from wars to the Epstein tapes to anything else that isn't relating all of this back to the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
And rightly so.
It is, it's central to pretty much all political discourse that's occurring in our country right now, especially as it relates to influence in our government and in occupation and elections and so on and so forth.
Yeah.
And the fact of the matter is they didn't try to do anything.
I mean, the easiest solution up front that could have avoided this would be for that attorney to have recused himself literally from day one.
Yeah, my daughter was there.
I'm sitting this one out.
Yeah, that's that's that's that that would have been, and that would have um you know removed the need for for all of this, you know, this this piece of litigation that we're now watching.
Well, this isn't the first thing that's come up with this prosecutor's office either.
I mean, you know, that I had a conversation with Sheriff Mack, who knows these people, and he had a conversation with an attorney inside of the prosecutor's office who said, What do you mean the crime scene is gone?
What?
You don't know that the scene of the crime where this guy was assassinated in broad daylight effectively no longer exists because they took up over a foot of earth and pared over the top of it?
Do you see that as a problem?
Yeah, I do.
And if that's really the case, I just find it difficult to believe that the chief prosecutor didn't know that.
I mean, you know, I don't know if he spoke to the chief prosecutor.
He spoke to an attorney inside of the prosecutor's office, but just like the, you know, the water cooler conversations that happen at these law firms, where it's just unavoidable that the Charlie Kirk case is going to be brought up in the midst of this attorney whose daughter was present.
The same is true about the absence of the crime scene, which, I mean, it's not limited to places like X or Truth Social or Instagram or this show or Candace's, but it was in the local media.
It was, it was like local news outlets recovering the renovation project that took place while Charlie's blood literally was still wet because the construction workers took photographs of their arms and it had Charlie's blood on their arms.
It was on the sod.
It was like dripping off of the grass.
It wasn't even dry yet.
And it was soaked all the way through.
There was a lot of blood.
It was soaked all the way.
That's why they had to take so much up.
And I believe because they had to get rid of black-tempered glass shards that were all over the place from an exploding lavalier microphone.
That's my belief.
I'm not asking you to speculate, but to not know about that, that's BS.
Yeah, so this was not a niche issue.
This is widely, this is something that you hear about in a niche group on X or some other social media.
I mean, this was widely, you know, the videos of the paving over the grass and doing that renovation was widely known.
So, you know, the level of hubris to not have any awareness of what is happening in the biggest murder of our, you know, certainly in my lifetime in terms of political assassinations is jaw-dropping.
Or any, really, assassinations.
I mean, this is just, it takes the cake.
It really does.
Since JFK, there has not been a more prolific, you know, more important assassination with serious implications on so many fronts.
I mean, this guy was a political activist that had seen the Trump administration from the inside out.
He knew what was going on.
He was dealing with these donors.
He was saying a lot of things.
And then bang, he was eliminated.
He was taken out.
It was a high-level hit.
That's what this was.
This was not some random furry lover.
It's just, it wasn't.
Anyway, that's my opinion.
I won't ask you to speculate on that.
But here's what I will ask you about the importance of that.
So, whether or not this attorney that works inside of the prosecutor's office, who I think is full of crap, because absolutely everybody knows that the crime scene no longer exists.
But let's just go to the fact that it doesn't.
How important is that?
The defense team can now not send independent investigators or analysts out to that crime scene to conduct forensic analysis or blood spatter pattern analysis.
None of that can be done because it doesn't exist.
How important is that?
I mean, in a lot of cases, correct me if I'm wrong, but they would actually, in a trial of this significance, they would actually bring the jury out in many cases to the crime scene to take a look around.
Yeah, the failure to secure the crime scene, both immediately after Charlie was assassinated and in the days following, I believe, is problematic.
And that is why I am optimistic that there could be a chance that come the evidentiary hearing scheduled for May, that there could be that the prosecution may not meet the relatively low threshold for the case to move on beyond that point.
One other example, Stu, that you may not be aware of in regards to the evidence is in regard to Charlie Kurt's phone.
You may recall Erica had mentioned that she had not seen any messages regarding threats to Charlie's life, and that she knows it because she has his phone.
So the presumption at that point was that the state investigator's office had returned the phone to her.
That is not the case.
There has been, since about week three, there was another piece of litigation that was involved preservation of evidence, which was filed by the defense.
Again, good for the, you know, these are the clues that I look for and, you know, a defendant getting a robust representation.
And this request was to the motion made by the court to require that the state preserve all evidence and not release evidence, including take and including testing any biological or ballistics evidence that could result in the destruction of that evidence.
For purposes of the cell phone, this was filed in week three and back and forth with motions that were ultimately aimed at fine-tuning what the rules of the road were going to be in terms of preservation of evidence.
There haven't been any rules to this road in the preservation of evidence.
We see on video people that are connected to Turning Point literally climbing on the chair that Charlie was sitting in, traipsing through the blood that was on the ground and removing cameras and SD cards.
Right.
And so I imagine that that may have prompted this motion, you know, to for for preservation of evidence.
Again, it shouldn't be required at all.
But so over the period of the next six weeks, there were motions back and forth between state.
Eventually, both state and defense agreed on specific procedures before a piece of evidence would be discarded.
And that would be a 14-day notification period.
So I created a timeline from the day that the first motion was filed to when Erica Kirk made the announcement that she has his phone.
And the only opportunity for them to have returned the phone to her would have been in the first two or three weeks after Charlie Kirk was assassinated, which I find highly unlikely.
So the conclusion is that they never.
The investigators never took his phone to begin with, which is, you know, that is a major lapse.
That would be the first thing any investigator you'd want to look at the victim's phone.
Don't you think?
100%.
Yeah.
And the people who removed the cameras and took them down and dismantled them and removed the SD cards from multiple cameras because we've now seen videos of this team methodically going from camera to camera and removing these SD cards.
That team in any other case, especially one involving a capital crime like murder or a prolific assassination in front of 3,000 people that were gathered live and billions of people on the internet as it was live streamed.
These people that were doing that would have been sequestered.
They would have been, you know, isolated.
They would have been interviewed, deposed, interrogated, arrested in many cases for tampering with evidence and for contaminating a crime scene, especially a crime scene of this significance.
And as far as I can tell, and maybe you've seen other court filings that would contradict this, but from where I sit, it looks like none of these people have been interrogated.
None of these people have been arrested.
None of these people have been sanctioned or otherwise, you know, addressed even or approached by the feds or by the court system.
None of this has been addressed.
They have not.
I have not.
And of course, I mean, I will say we're early in this.
I mean, Tyler Robinson hasn't even been arraigned yet.
He hasn't even entered a guilty or not guilty plea.
So we're really early in all of this.
I would expect that all of this would come up.
I mean, it would seem like courtroom 101 type stuff that this would come up.
When would we expect to see these types of arguments?
Those would be raised in advance and then at the evidentiary hearing, which is scheduled in May.
And that would be following the arraignment.
Following the arraignment, which should, I mean, I think that is now, originally the arraignment was scheduled for last Friday.
The hearing and oral argument on the disqualification issue kind of took place of the arraignment, which was pushed back.
So there's a lot of people who are saying, look, I can't believe the defense team has not filed a motion to dismiss this based on everything that we have already seen thus far.
And that's what has them saying the fix is in.
This is shoddy representation.
You don't agree with that analysis.
I don't.
And so at what point would you tell our audience that, okay, what are the responsibilities of the defense team?
It's not to, I mean, look, I've been saying since the very beginning that it's my, I know that Erica Kirk is at the center of all of this.
And I know that she was on Fort Wachuka.
And I know that she was there for reasons relating to this.
That's just what I know to be true.
But it's not the defense team's job to go pointing out and naming other suspects and to be producing evidence that says, hey, this is really sus.
This is really sketchy.
This is bizarre.
These people have been confirmed to have been told multiple lies since the day that this happened, pertaining to the Doge audit and all these other things.
Like they have lied about Mikey McCoy being covered in blood.
Why did they lie?
About Mikey McCoy acting heroically.
Why did this pastor guy lie?
There's just all kinds of different things, but it's not their job to do this.
It is the defense team's job to do what?
To establish reasonable doubt.
And it's not the defense's team to go and find the real killer or to propose alternative theories.
That would have probably a very low likelihood of success.
But what it can do is point out inconsistencies or problems with evidence that's been collected, such as ballistics evidence or perhaps residue, explosives residue that points to something.
Closed Hearings Controversy00:02:53
other than coming from a rifle, a 30 ought 6, perhaps something that would be used in a shaped explosive charge, such as what's been raised as a possibility with the remote, what's it the rode mic?
The road black tempered glass microphone.
Right.
So that would be the opportunity to do that.
And so ultimately, I don't know of a, in Utah, of a preliminary motion that can happen between now and May for the evidentiary hearing for, you know, for there to be any type of any charges to be dismissed.
So there's this order that the judge has issued, which bars any photographing or videotaping of Tyler Robinson coming into leaving or at any of these court hearings.
Have you ever seen that before?
Why would that be?
Which side benefits from that order and how?
Well, I mean, this is to, you know, for purposes of the jury pool, because the more that the defendant is seen wearing, you know, in shackles and, you know, in prison clothes and not in civilian clothes, you know, that contain, you know, the views that, oh, he's already guilty.
I mean, once a person's arrested, unfortunately, the reality is the defendant is assumed guilty, you know, already.
And that just worsens it.
So, you know, the defense has moved numerous occasions and also on Friday to keep the hearings closed from the public, as has the state.
I mean, both parties appear to be very eager to keep as much of the hearing as closed as possible.
And to my surprise, and to his credit, the judge did deny that motion and order that the disqualification hearing be made public and that the attorneys, when it comes to talking about the attorney, the individual attorney whose child was at the event, that they will just have to dance around in terms of identifying that attorney by name.
And that may require additional time, but against the interest of the public having access to watching the case, I think that was the right decision.
Reshaping Fort Huachuca Culture00:14:00
And I was pleasantly surprised to see it.
So you have nearly a quarter century or over a quarter century experience litigating and you've obviously focused.
I'm not still old.
You've focused on different aspects of law.
You brought up during a phone conversation when I was scheduling you for your appearance here on the program, that there were some interesting things that seems that like a lot of people have glossed over when it comes to the memo that Charlie Kirk wrote, which would have been initiating these Doge style efforts.
I don't want to say audit because I might get sued.
Yeah, you might get sued.
Yeah.
When Charlie Kirk was ordering this audit and he was shifting people around and moving people out of key positions and then into others.
And now we know that some of these people have slid right back into those positions that Charlie had moved them out of just before his death.
And we know that these efforts, this Doge-style audit, never took place.
But there was something in that memo that you said from a legal standpoint, as somebody who's written memos like this, that there's something that you feel that was glossed over.
And I want you to share that with our audience.
Yeah, sure.
So in the memo, and you can read it, it cites four objectives.
The last objective of the Doge style effort, you know, was a reshaping of company culture.
I don't think that that is a, that's not a throwaway.
So, I mean, and like I said, I've, like you mentioned, I've done this type of work.
So I've written corporate policy memos, particularly, you know, if there's going to be a shift and a change in a company.
And the way it works is following, you know, the issuance of the announcement, especially, you know, you've got now four points that have been called out.
So what follows in the months that follow at senior leadership meetings, the person responsible will then give reports.
Where are we on item one, two, three, four?
And there'll be metrics for each four of those points.
So it's structured.
And so there's a deliberate follow-up on a monthly basis or at quarterly board meetings to report up.
And so their status, how are we doing in terms of reshaping company culture?
Like, what does that mean?
And I submit that an organization like Turning Point with that there is a, you know, did reshaping company culture mean leaving the pro-Israeli cause?
Is this another data point, you know, on the path that began, you know, maybe a couple of years ago, but certainly, you know, when Charlie had Dave Smith debate Josh Hammer back in July at the Turning Point USA with Go Max and then the Hamptons, followed by the Harrison Smith tweet with threats that he was, Charlie was scared of threats from Israel.
And then the Doge memo, particularly the reshaping company culture, and then his tweet to his inner circle.
I think it's, you know, a lot of people, when they talk about the Doge, they're talking about follow the money.
And that's good.
That's certainly important.
But it's that other piece that I don't think has gotten a lot of attention.
And I think, you know, that that's something we should can ask more about.
Well, yesterday when the kids were off school for this holiday that we don't necessarily get excited for here at the Stu Peter show, we wouldn't normally take the day off work, but my kids were off work.
And as such, a hockey tournament was scheduled.
So I was bouncing around back and forth, but I was having phone conversations and speaking with and chatting with multiple sources who are now coming forward inside of Turning Point USA.
And so we have established several sources now that are still working at Turning Point USA who have said that the culture has definitely shifted.
We're not going to get into a whole lot of that right now.
We will tomorrow on the program as we unpack some of the things that we're being told from inside of Turning Point.
But one of the things is that there is a panic that has happened at Turning Point.
And that panic has happened since Mitch Snow was on this program for very extended sit-down.
And there were some issues that were raised.
And so when Egyptian aircraft were brought up by Candace Owens, which is something that they can't get away from, they can point at Candace, they can laugh, they can call her a weirdo and crazy and somebody who talks about her dreams and time travel and all of this other stuff.
They can do that.
But what they can't do is say that Egyptian military aircraft were not there because they were.
And you can do a simple search.
The public has access to all of this information.
It's on FlightAware.
You can go and look, and you can see that, yep, there were Egyptian military-owned aircraft that were present.
There were also American military aircraft present.
And the tail number of the American military Bombardier 6500 that was present that was designed for the purpose of deploying and retrieving drones is connected to Fort Huachuca.
Fort Huachuka has become, it went from being one of these secret places where people have secret meetings to discuss secret into a place where now random people are pulling up to the gates and taking pictures of it.
And it's the most talked about military base, probably in all of the world right now, as far as like trending markers are concerned on X. People aren't talking about any other military installations.
They're talking about Fort Huachuca.
And so since that has happened, there has been this incredible panic that has happened to the extent that employees or contractors, people that are hired by Turning Point, usually between the ages of 18 and 20, and they get these one-year contracts, are forced to sign 10-year NDAs.
Well, they have all had to now sign new 10-year NDAs that include language that is specific to the reportings of this network at Fort Huachuca and the testimony of Mitch Snow saying that he saw Erica Kirk on base at Fort Hachuca on September 8th, two days before Charlie was killed, alongside Cabot Phillips, a former boyfriend who she probably never broke up with, because I think she probably has several boyfriends that she's never broke up with, as far as I could tell.
She's kind of got that Jezebel spirit.
I mean, that's just my take.
And what with the way that she's demonstrated that by rubbing her hands through the hair of the sitting vice president and caressing other people wearing leather pants and glittery pantsuits surrounded by fireworks?
It's just, it's, she's not the person that she says she is.
But there's been this incredible panic.
And a lot of it has to do with now we are seeing this Doge-style effort because of all the things that have been said about Erica Kirk and Andrew Colvett and Tyler Boyer and Mikey McCoy and Blake Neff and Rob McCoy and all of the other shadowy characters that are involved here at Turning Point,
of all of the things that have been said, they choose to go after, you know, a YouTuber who has a moderately low, I mean, relatively speaking, viewership and he's, you know, probably not smashing an Overton window anywhere in the media landscape by any accounts.
And they're going after this guy.
This Doge effort is very sensitive to these people.
I don't know if you want to speculate as to why that is, but I just wanted to put that on here as kind of an exclamation point to what you were saying regarding the memo that Charlie Kirk had issued.
Yeah, well, I don't think that was the cultural, the corporate, the change in corporate culture that Charlie Kirk envisioned when he wrote that.
In terms of Fort Hachuca, in case you weren't aware or maybe you are, I have filed a FOIA request with the installation requesting any records.
It's a very narrow request and seeking any.
Do we have a copy of that request?
Do you mind if we put it on the screen?
Sure.
Okay, so we have a copy of that request.
And you're not asking what they were doing there.
You're not asking about other registrants.
You're not asking about other people who occupied the space at the Candlewood Inn and Suites on Fort Huachuca.
You're not asking about receipts or bank account statements.
You're not asking about any personal information that could jeopardize the privacy of anybody else involved here, including military personnel.
You're specifically asking about certain people and whether or not they were at the Candlewood Inn and Suites or on Fort Hachuca in any capacity on September 8th and 9th, 2025.
Even very careful to navigate around.
We're not asking for hotel registries, just any type of record, and as I said throughout, the redacted versions are fine.
We are just looking to Confirm the presence, the physical presence of the individuals named Cabot Phillips, Erica Kirk, Brian Harpole, and the Representative Amade.
You know, it is, you know, they're Amade has been confirmed to have been ruled out.
This guy's on, like, he's on video.
Yeah, I, you know, in Congress or something.
Yeah, and I expect that the reply will verify that.
That predated, you know, when I submitted the request.
But, you know, what I asked for things were things like, you know, firearms registration.
So it wouldn't surprise me if say, say, Harpole, you know, had a firearm.
And so that would have to be registered at the, you know, upon entrance to the base.
So that could be the type of record.
As a private security guy, he may not even be permitted to bring a firearm on base at all.
Then, then, yeah, and Fort Hachuca has procedures that account for that.
So what kind of a timeframe do these people, is there a set amount of time they have until a certain time to respond to these FOIA requests?
It's 20 days.
So, but I was very careful not to, you know, even things like Erica may have a base pass.
So I'm not asking for who the escorts were for those without a base pass, except if it is one individual being the escort for another.
So if Erica was Cabot's escort, and not that type of escort, I mean probably that type of escort as well for the base.
Given everything that we know about Erica Kirk and her history on Fort Wachuca, it would seem like this has just been a staple in her life and kind of a second home, given the fact that they moved their entire family, Lori Kent, and herself to Arizona when Erica was very young, specifically for the reason that they needed to be closer to Fort Wachuca so that Lori Fransby could continue her work with the defense contract.
Certainly, yeah.
So that's sensible.
And given Erica's relationship, it would not surprise me if she had an existing base pass.
Given the fact that she starred in a movie where she, in her role, of course, played an assassin on a rooftop with a rifle that was filmed on or near Fort Hachuca with other members of our military that were assigned to Fort Wachuca.
I mean, yeah, Fort Wachuca is not new to her, which is it's just like when these people try to make Canvas look crazy by saying, Fort Watt, what is this crazy talk about a fort?
They're digging themselves a hole here.
Why not just be truthful and answer?
Yeah, of course I was on the base.
I was on the base.
There must have been very legitimate reasons for her to be there, such as the business of her mother's company.
At this point, as far as I'm concerned, if she was on that base now, now given the fake alibis with the fake kids for the wrong date, it doesn't appear to me that she could say anything that would legitimize the reason why she was on the base on the 8th of September.
I am optimistic, Stu, that we'll get a candid, you know, truthful response to my FOIA request because we still don't know.
I mean, no one really knows, does Mitch have photos or video of Erica and Cabot and Brian Harpaul on the case?
You don't know.
I don't know.
They don't know.
And Fort Huachuca doesn't know either.
So however they respond should align with whatever photos could possibly come out after the Fort Hachuca knows if there were pictures taken.
Fort Wachuca knows that there were pictures and videos.
Fort Wachuka is very aware because Fort Wachuca has these little mini blimps, these little balloons that are tethered to the ground and they hover above.
Can see them from all over the place within 10, 15 miles of Fort Wachuca.
And these have cameras on them.
They're equipped with cameras that can zoom to 100 miles roundabout, tens of at least miles, and can zoom in on the pimple that's in somebody's pores that hasn't even protruded yet.
They know.
They have technology all over the place that would be able to probably pinpoint where exactly a phone was taken out of one's pocket and the camera was enabled and a photograph or a video was taken.
This is the type of thing that Fort Wachuca was designed for.
It's a SYOT base.
It's a planning base.
It's an Intel hub, just like Washington State is an Intel hub.
And, you know, that's probably why Mitch Snow was in contact with Joel Kent, who is obviously plugged into the Intel community and has based himself in Washington State.
I mean, these people go to these places, the Laurie France fees, the Joe Kent's, the Kent France fees, all of the people who are assigned to these bases go to these far-off places in the middle of the desert, totally obscure, a place where nobody wants to go to on a border town to conduct this type of thing, to test drones, to test cameras, to run psychological operations, to come up with and plan DARVO missions where they take an offender and turn them into a victim.
Fundraising Over Tragedy00:03:58
And ironically, we're seeing all of that here.
We're seeing where somebody who could be perceived by a lot of people to potentially be offenders being made by the Barry Weiss scripted town halls and the week-long media campaigns on the Fox News channel and the memorial eulogies and fireworks-infused parties.
They have positioned these people as the victim.
Well, it hasn't worked out very well.
And if you look at public discourse and you start looking around at what people are saying about all of this, everybody believes that Erica Kirk is right at the center of this.
Even people who previously were like, you know, just let that woman grieve.
This is crass.
This is low class.
This is disrespectful.
You shouldn't be going after her.
And for me, what opened the floodgates was, well, Charlie, I think, was still flying around or his dead body was on Air Force 2 with Mike Pence, or excuse me, with JD Vance, the vice president body snatcher, which is, again, just another weird, bizarre thing.
Who made that phone call?
We need the vice president over here to pick up this body.
What?
And so at that time, while all of that was happening, there was information coming out that Erica Kirk was responsible for sending out text messages to start fundraising over the dead body of her husband, her supposed alleged husband.
And so that for me is what was like, well, how could it be low class for me to talk about what they're actually doing?
These people are shameless.
They are out here.
There was like a $100,000 button on there that you could give up to $100,000 with the push of a button to Turning Point USA in the wake of Charlie Kirk's death.
These people made millions upon millions, tens, hundreds of millions of dollars fundraising off of his death.
And it was all spearheaded by his so-called wife and the trad mother of his alleged children.
See, my mother's 96 years old, and she has received two solicitations from Erica Kirk to, you know, for donations.
I mean, was she attending TPUSA events?
Well, she called me.
She wanted to know how did they get her address?
She couldn't.
That's a really good question.
Does she attend a church or does she go to a church online?
I asked her.
I didn't ask her.
I wanted to ask her, do you bring your phone to church?
I didn't ask her that.
But no, she had never ever received anything from Turning Point until the two notices that she got from Erica Kirk.
Have to speculate as to whether or not these people are spying on American Christians at TPUSA connected churches because Andrew Kovat was out in force bragging about how many people they were able to isolate at the memorial event.
Yeah.
So, yeah, they're doing this.
And Lori Fransby owns a tech firm that is registered with FARA and directly connected to the Israeli Foreign Affairs Ministry and Superfeed and all of these other things that, you know, all of this technology is tested on Fort Wachuca, including her anti-EMP technology, where they test EMP stuff solely at Fort Wachuca.
Stu, so, you know, in terms of the foyer request, I'm curious.
I'm optimistic, and maybe I'm overly optimistic on things, and that's that would be a fair criticism in the way my view, the way I view things.
But I'm optimistic that we'll get an honest response.
And part of the reason for that is, I mean, what's really in it for Fort Wachuka to try and conceal Erica, Brian Harpaul, and because the death of Charlie Kirk, I think that inevitably we will find out if we ever do get to the real bare-naked truth, was a military operation.
I mean, you know, my view is like, you know, the base would just want to throw them under the bus at this point and distance themselves.
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Say, yeah, they are here to pursue that as opposed to any active involvement by the leadership of the base itself.
I don't know if they could walk away from that at this point, given the fact that they have and are on the most talked about base in modern times.
I would venture to guess that there are high-level military intelligence meetings that are being had by upper echelon brass in the United States military that are trying to devise and come up with plans to counter all of the attention that has been given to Fort Wachuka, to come up with some sort of another story.
These people, that base, when Mitch Snow went on with Candace Owens and uttered the words Fort Wachuca, some general somewhere got a phone call, whether he was sleeping or out for whiskeys or what, he got a phone call and he immediately responded by putting that base on lockdown, making sure that everybody who's stationed there understands nobody's talking to the media, nobody's talking to their family, nobody's going home,
which is what makes it a big deal that Captain Neff's wife is creeping on Mitch Snow's Instagram, because that would insinuate that Captain Neff is actually at home talking to his wife about what some general somewhere said you shouldn't be talking about.
Now, I'm saying all of that speculatively, of course, because I wasn't privy to any of these conversations, but clearly you could assume that was kind of a chain of events round about what happened as soon as Mitch went on with Candace and then later came on this show for a very extended interview to lay all of this out and double down on his sightings.
And he also came on to a space again by Diligent Denizen, where, you know, and in that environment, he wasn't just subjected to questioning by one individual, but by, you know, a cast, you know, whoever could get on the stage, sometimes up to 10 people on the stage on these spaces to then field questions from, You know, a number of people, and his testimony continues to stand up under that rigor.
Yeah, I think that's because he's telling the truth.
What motive does Mitch Snow have to lie?
It only does nothing to help him in his divorce proceedings.
It does nothing to help him in his mission to get his kid back.
It does, matter of fact, to the contrary, it's of detriment to all of those things.
He's not making any money off of this, certainly.
He's refused to take the money that Candace Owens had raised for him to, you know, to combat all of these attacks that have been coming out against him.
So, yeah.
And to help him with his mission to get his son back, he's going to need, you know, and then there's no lawyers out there that want to take his case because of the serious weight that these allegations carry about his first person sightings on Fort Wachuca at the Canawood and Suite.
So, all right, as we continue with this trial, do you mind if we bring you back on?
You're pouring over this stuff.
Be my pleasure.
All right.
Awesome.
EJ Pryor, thank you so much for being here.
God bless you.
We appreciate the time.
And you know what?
You know, on X, you look around and we don't have the time to be going through all of these legal findings and summaries and motions and proceedings.
And like there is a lot of technical jargon that's used and vernacular that's used at these legalese.
I'm not an attorney, but it's great to be able to have somebody like EJ come on the program and go through all of that.
What with his experience?
All right.
Speaking of Mitch Snow and his Fort Wachuca testimony, and we will get to these sources tomorrow, but they're coming out of the woodwork.
So I don't know what Erica or Tyler Boyer or Andrew Covet or anybody at TPUSA thought was going to happen, but there's people now that are working inside of Turning Point actively right now that are coming forward and they are providing information and they are telling us a lot of things.
So your new reissued NDAs are not having the impact that you thought.
As a matter of fact, it's only encouraging people to come forward because at this point, I think what those people are thinking is, I would rather not be an accomplice or an accessory at this point.
I would rather not know what I know and stay quiet.
And instead, I'm going to tell everything that I know.
And there's not just one, there's not just two.
There are multiple sources inside of Turning Point that are coming forward.
And they're saying that, you know, a lot of things have changed.
Now, from the outside, we have seen that it's been extremely quiet since Mitch Snow was on this program.
It's been crickets.
You know, there's been this like eerie quiet that has surrounded Turning Point.
But that's not the case inside of the walls at Turning Point.
There is a panic going on.
And we'll get into that tomorrow.
But to get to Mitch Snow and his perspective on all of this, there's another interesting factor here to consider.
And that is that Mitch Snow's divorce proceedings are not yet final.
He's been trying to divorce this woman for 10 years and also is battling for custody through the court system and different variations of litigation that are surrounding that and attached to that.
So Gary Melton and Valhalla and Erica Kirk and Cabot Phillips and Brian Harpole and others have now essentially volunteered themselves to be witnesses in these divorce proceedings.
And we're going to talk about that next with Mitch Snow as we continue.
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Mitch Goes Public00:05:54
Welcome back.
Okay, so we just got done with our discussion on the legal proceedings surrounding Charlie Kirk's assassination and the trial of Tyler Robinson.
But speaking of legal proceedings, we have yet another court matter that we need to discuss today.
And this time it revolves around Mitch Snow.
Now, everyone knows by now, but just in case it slipped your mind, Mitch Snow is the man who on September 8th and 9th saw Erica Kirk alongside Cabot Phillips.
And the next day on the 9th saw Brian Harpole and high-ranking members of the U.S. military as they were coming out of a meeting on Fort Huachuca immediately preceding the killing of Charlie Kirk.
Well, since the moment that Mitch went public, there has been a relentless effort to paint him as a violent, crazy person or a liar.
The people that I believe are responsible for Charlie Kirk's death want you to think that Mitch Snow is the bad guy.
They want you to ignore the things that he's telling us.
Instead, they want you to embrace the official narrative, chalk up the assassination to a shooting committed by Tyler Robinson and just move on.
And look, there's a name for this.
It's not just a PSYOP.
It's not just a cover-up.
Yes, of course, it's both of those things simultaneously.
But on top of that, what we're watching here is a Darvo operation, D-A-V-R-O.
Look it up.
Now, if you're a normal person and not a TPUSA Fed, you might not be too familiar with this term.
But DARVO is short for deny, attack, and reverse victim and offender.
It's a psychological warfare tactic that can be used for any number of reasons.
Oftentimes, it's used by abusive romantic partners who don't even know what they're doing at the time has a name.
But even more often, Darvo is used by governments and institutions who know exactly what they're doing.
It's a psyop.
It's an advanced psyop where first they deny everything, then they attack the person who's telling the truth about them before then turning themselves into the victims and the truth teller into the villain, or as the acronym goes, the offender.
Does that sound familiar?
Well, it should, because that's exactly what Erica Kirk and Turning Point USA and everyone connected to the situation has done since questions started flying around, especially in the aftermath of my interview with Mitch Snow.
And of course, Mitch's interview with Candace Owens.
When Mitch went public, everything changed.
And Darvo commenced.
Mitch Snow is a person who's been called every name under the sun.
He's been attacked relentlessly for daring to come out and say what he saw with his own eyes at the Candlewood Inn and Sweets on Fort Huachuca in Cochise County, Arizona on September 8th and 9th, 2025, the days immediately preceding Charlie Kirk's assassination.
And as we all know by now, what he saw or more like who he saw were people like Erica Kirk, Brian Harpole, and Cabot Phillips alongside U.S. military brass on a base that you're really not supposed to know anything about.
And before we started discussing this, before we told the world about Fort Huachuca, most people had never even heard about it.
It was an obscure place and for a reason.
We weren't supposed to know, but now we do.
And we now know that Fort Huachuca isn't just some military outpost in the desert.
It's the home of EMP warfare and psychological operations and political assassinations backed by the U.S. government and its handlers.
And we also know that Erica Kirk's ties to Fort Huachuca go far beyond that fateful date in September.
They go back years, decades.
And they don't just ensnare herself, but her mother, Laurie Fransvy, and her father, Kent Francevy, as we have discussed.
These people are military industrial complex royalty, and they sunk their hooks into Charlie Kirk and they bled him dry, literally.
But the rest of us, we're just regular people.
And to people like the France Vs, we're peasants.
We don't contract with the feds.
We don't appear with CIA agents in videos about EMPs.
We don't star in movies about political assassinations that just so happen to be filmed on Fort Huachuca like Erica Kirk did, where the role of the character that she's playing has her on a roof with a rifle acting as an assassin.
And so because we are those people in the eyes of these people, we aren't supposed to know about the inner workings of the elites or the behind the scenes movements of our government and the people in charge of it.
And that's exactly why we're now hearing directly from our verified sources within Turning Point USA that Erica Kirk and everyone around her are in such a panic.
Because they thought that they had planned this flawless operation.
They thought that they were hanging around a military base where they would never be seen as they put the finishing touches on Charlie Kirk's murder.
That's what I believe.
But they didn't account for the independent variable of a real American, a man like Mitch Snow, stumbling onto things that he saw and then telling the rest of us his story.
But that's exactly what happened.
And that's exactly what he did.
And it could be hard to imagine as a normal person, but there's a class of people out there at very high levels in this country who are working day in and day out against the rest of us.
And if you push back against them, even if you think that you're a member of their club, they'll kill you.
They'll take your life just like they did to Charlie Kirk.
But we don't have the luxury of remaining silent.
We don't have the luxury of getting up in the morning and going about our day-to-day lives, taking our kids to school, punching the clock at work before picking our kids up, dropping them off at practice, preparing dinner, going to sleep before waking up and doing it all over again with a totally absent mind.
We don't have that luxury, not anymore.
Witnesses Under Threat00:15:50
That version of America is gone.
And we're going to have to fight to get it back.
And central to that fight is getting the complete and total truth about what happened to Charlie Kirk, a man who in death was turned into an American martyr.
And now, somebody else who's central to this fight is Mitch Snow, because the story of Mitch Snow is far from over.
In fact, Mitch could be the catalyst for seeing everyone from Alex Jones to Gary Melton to Erica Kirk herself being dragged into a court of law and put on the stand to testify under oath.
And why is this?
Well, it's because Mitch at this very moment is still caught up in divorce proceedings that have stretched out for a whopping 10 years, a decade.
We keep on hearing from these podcasters and influencers and self-proclaimed experts that Mitch Snow is divorced.
Well, guess what?
He's not.
No, instead, he's been trying to get a divorce and custody of his son for a decade.
And now through their character assassination campaign and their anti-Mitch Darvo operation, members of Turning Point USA and internet influencers and members of the media have turned themselves into witnesses in Mitch's divorce proceedings.
Alex Jones, for instance, falsely accused Mitch of attacking his wife with a hammer.
Well, that never happened.
But now, even though it was a completely false and fake claim, it could impact Mitch's standing with the court.
It could impact his ability to finalize his divorce and gain custody of his son.
On top of that, you have Gary Melton.
He brought Mitch's estranged wife onto his show multiple times and claimed that she's the real victim in this situation, a victim of Mitch Snow, and that Candace Owens should give her the money that she raised to help support Mitch and his ongoing legal battles.
This guy is directly inserting himself into these divorce proceedings and he's doing it by way of extortion.
And then you have people like Valhalla, who called Mitch a liar and a deadbeat dad.
Well, guess what?
He has provided us screenshots of his child support payments.
And in fact, he received a $15,000 refund because he had overpaid his child support.
So now Valhalla could be called in to testify.
On top of that, the allegations of stolen valor, which turned out to be completely false and defamatory and slanderous.
But so can people like Morgan Ariel and Ian Carroll and Coach Collins, who still debate whether or not Mitch is some kind of an abuser.
This is a completely false narrative that has been set to destroy Mitch's credibility as it relates to Turning Point USA and Fort Wachuca.
While at the same time, it impacts this ongoing court battle that's related to his personal life.
Kevin Kilgore even put himself into this whole thing, writing that he was talking to Mitch's ex-lovers and ex-friends and that he was learning from them all about what a terrible person Mitch really is.
So just add another name to the witness list.
All of these people are directly interfering.
All of them can be called in to testify, up to and including Cabot Phillips, Brian Harpole, and Erica Kirk.
Mitch Snow has been labeled a liar because he came out and told the truth about what he saw.
These people in response have presented patently false alibis from the wrong day and with fake kids trying to tell the rest of us that Mitch is lying.
And those alibis, quite frankly, just aren't holding up.
So bring them in.
Put them under oath.
Force them to testify and tell the truth and clear Mitch's name through their constant lies and their obvious Darvo campaign and the overzealous attacks of a bunch of terminally online influencers and commentators.
These people have given the world a window through which we may be able to actually learn some of what the truth is about what's actually going on here.
So to help us dive in even further, we're now joined once again here on the Stew Peters show by Mitch Snow.
Mitch, thanks a lot for coming back.
Appreciate having you.
Thank you, Stu.
Yeah.
I really appreciate you.
So what you're telling me is off record that these people have now volunteered themselves as witnesses in the civil proceedings that you're involved with, what with the divorce dispute and the child custody stuff, because they've inserted themselves into this.
And now there may be a judge saying, hey, I want to know what these people have to say about this.
They're very public about these divorce proceedings.
Yeah, it's not just a judge.
It's multiple attorneys have actually stepped up to say that this case has now gotten beyond their realm because of the witness list that has been volunteered into my divorce case.
So what could that mean?
Is what I said correct?
Could these people be compelled to go before a court rather than being asked by someone like myself or Candace Owens where they were on the 8th and 9th?
And if they could provide an alibi and they did for the wrong day and with some fake kids that don't belong to them, could they be compelled by a court to come in and under oath provide real evidence and alibis?
Yeah, that's where it's at, is these people have now involved themselves into my custody and divorce dispute.
And it is we're legally obligated to ask them why.
Also, providing false information in what they were doing, that also is prejudicing court or a jury.
So we get to ask them why they did that as well.
And this list includes everybody who basically trailed money to go ahead and make this happen over the last month.
So would we then have access to financial records, exactly who it was that was paid as it relates to the campaign to assassinate your character?
Yes.
And then would we have evidence about whether or not what you said was in fact true about your first person eyewitness account on Fort Wachuca on the 8th and 9th of September last year?
They'd be getting to ask just about everything.
The laws in the state of Washington, as far as discovery go, are considered to be some of the most abusive and extensive, meaning they can go into any witness's life, their friends, their peers, their work, their finances, for as long as an attorney wants to dig.
So is this underway?
I mean, has the court asked about this?
Are attorneys preparing to subpoena these people, specifically the ones that you saw, and others, the people who, you know, work to trash your name all over the internet?
Are they working actively to put together subpoenas to compel these people to come before the court and explain themselves, why they volunteered themselves as witnesses in this civil case?
We're interviewing multiple attorneys right now out of Seattle.
Are you having a problem, by the way?
I mean, I remember you saying that you told Candace, and I know that you told me, but I remember you repeatedly saying that, look, I mean, this does nothing to help to benefit, you know, your mission to get your son back and to finalize a divorce that you've been seeking for a decade.
It does nothing but actually detract from that.
And it is, you know, detrimental to those efforts.
And it negatively impacts your quest to complete all of these things.
But you saw what you saw and you were where you were, and you said what you said.
And you can't help that these people happen to be there.
You know, I got to believe that you just want to put this behind you, but now, in fact, these people are dragging.
Make sense of all of that for us.
Well, the question is why.
I mean, okay, so I went to Fort Wachuca to get records.
I'm there for a legitimate reason.
I saw what I saw.
I reported what I saw.
It's been interesting.
The question now is: why did Erica Kirk, Andrew Colvet pay money to go ahead to, what is it, Valhalla?
Was it Gary Melton at Paramount and Alex Jones and others to go ahead and smear me, platform my exes that had nothing to do with anything that was at Fort Wachuca or what I saw?
So why did they choose to involve themselves into my divorce and custody dispute?
Why did they choose to do that?
That is, they sort of screwed themselves.
Well, I mean, this is probably one of the biggest blessings that a case like this could have, but what is a signal to other people that were on that base that day?
You know, I mean, certainly you weren't the only one that witnessed these people or has knowledge of their presence on that base.
And so there are other witnesses to this who probably haven't come forward because there would be some sort of a military order.
You're a veteran.
Let me ask you.
You were on Fort Wachuca.
You've been involved with, you know, some of these bases or meetings as, you know, part of your experience with the military.
What would you expect that the fallout, based on your experience, would have been once you uttered the name Fort Wachuca on the Candace Owens podcast and then came on this show to double down on what you said that you saw on September 8th and 9th?
What would have happened administratively on Fort Wachuca?
I expect that there's been a lot of, as a matter of fact, we've actually seen videos on other podcasts.
There's been a lot of activity there.
They've had to, it's probably extensive, the protocols that they've had to go through.
I really feel bad for Captain Neff being mentioned in this.
I'm sure he's been talked to multiple times, unfortunately.
The fact is, truth is the truth.
And there's not a not even soldiers are restricted from coming forth from what they see or experience, especially the TPUSA members.
I think the smear attack upon me was an intimidation.
And I think they want the internet to believe that it worked.
It didn't.
They haven't affected us one bit.
I'm not shaking my story one bit.
The evidence that Candace Owens has is not going to change.
Their stories, they seem to have changed on a daily basis down there.
That's unfortunate for them.
And I would say anybody that has any other information, come on forward.
These people are paper tigers.
For instance, Gary Melton, who was threatening that he was going to have me charged with crimes or something like that.
It turns out they were actually investigating him and they were letting him indict himself.
These people that have been calling into the police station, they're not investigating me.
They're investigating them for extortion and intimidation, witness intimidation.
Yeah, witness tampering.
Witness tampering.
And We've been in contact with federal authorities over this just to make sure that we were on the right side of things.
And I mean, we were laughing it off before, but after contacting federal authorities, federal authorities are laughing about this too, and they're going after them.
So explain that.
Explain how this became a criminal investigation into the likes of Gary Melton and Valhalla and others.
The moment that they went after the money, which that Candace Owens was going to was trying to raise for me, once they started demanding that they get paid that money while doing a smear campaign while committing to this intimidation, that's the definition of extortion.
Then they recorded it on their own shows.
You just can't get rid of this.
Extortion is leveraging some sort of a perceived punishment or negative or adverse reaction if you don't comply with a demand.
In other words, you're going to lose your money.
You're going to lose your life.
You're going to lose a family member.
We'll kill your daughter.
These types of things, or we'll sue you into oblivion, or we will have you criminally investigated.
You're facing jail time.
People get scared.
And so then they succumb to the pressure.
And a lot of times they just comply with the extortionist and then everybody goes about their day.
But in this case, federal investigators said to you, well, hold on a second.
It's not so cut and dry here.
This is textbook extortion.
And now these people are under criminal investigation.
So as well as being under criminal investigation, these people also are likely to be compelled to appear as a witness in your divorce case, at which point they will have to answer a whole lot of questions under Washington State's rigorous examination process or discovery process, I guess.
Is that basically what you're saying?
Yeah, they'll have to answer why they involved themselves.
What was their motivation?
Why did they pay to make that happen?
Who did they pay?
How did they contact them?
What kind of money did they pay it with?
Where did the money come from?
What was the motivation behind coming after me or platforming these women?
What was the motivation in lying about statements of fact?
I mean, so many statements of fact, it's just, yeah, that's quite surprising.
But yeah, we're looking for an attorney.
Apparently, it's going to have to be the right attorney, obviously.
But we'll be finishing this up.
You mean it wouldn't be a Florida attorney that practices some sort of tax law that's connected to Jeffrey Epstein?
You wouldn't go after an attorney like that.
This is what Erica Kirk is doing.
She's sending legal notices in Tyler Robinson's case.
We just got them discussing this.
But yes, attorney selection is very, very important.
You want to find somebody who actually specializes in this type of law, first of all, and somebody who's willing and who has the backbone or the balls, the testicular fortitude to take on a case like this, knowing what the implications are.
Your child custody dispute, unfortunately, and your divorce proceedings, unfortunately, unfortunately for you and for the people around you and the people that you love and care about, and probably for your son, unfortunately has become central to the investigation into who actually murdered and plotted to and carried out and covered up the death of Charlie Kirk.
I mean, that is probably not something that was on your bingo card, I would imagine.
No, none of this was.
This wasn't my intent.
I just came forward with the truth and why they involved themselves and everything else.
That's.
Well, they did it for money.
They did it because they were being paid to do it.
They did it because people like Gary Melton and Valhalla, I am convinced.
I don't have any proof of this, but I'm convinced that these people are placed into their positions.
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You know, they just kind of pop up one day.
They're there.
They're kind of in the background.
They're talking about ballistics.
They're talking about 2A stuff.
They're talking about, you know, tactical operator stuff.
They're doing these things, but they are placed there and then they're activated.
And I think that very clearly these people, I mean, they rose to national awareness at least because they started dragging out estranged sons that you met one time and a blurred out or blacked out blank screen of a person that they claim is this woman that you are in the process of divorcing and also the mother of your son who you're trying to fight for.
And they didn't put her on the screen, I would speculate because her eyes look a whole lot like the eyes that you saw on Fort Wachuca that belonged to Erica Kirk days later.
You saw that and you were like, wait a minute, I know those eyes.
So, I mean, it's just, it's, it's all very obvious what's happening here.
These people were paid to run a campaign against you to assassinate your character to discredit the things that you're saying because there's really nothing else that can be done.
And I, you know, as far as the panic on the base is concerned, I would imagine that whoever's the commander on that base probably got a phone call the second that you uttered the words Fort Wachuka on the Candice Owens podcast.
I would imagine so, yeah.
I would imagine there's a lot of cans that have been kicked and a lot of people doing push-ups.
There's a lot of people that are probably in some hot water for how in the hell did this guy end up on this base when we knew that these people were going to be here.
And then there's probably been a lot of, if you say a word, you are ordered to not say a word.
There's probably been new orders that have come out specifically regarding this.
I mean, I would imagine this is, there are probably national security implications.
You know, I mean, they don't know what you know, but they know that you were there and they know who you saw there because they also too can verify who it was that was there that you say that you saw and who Candace Owens has evidence of you seeing.
They know that you know, and they know that the rest of us were not supposed to know and now we know.
Yeah, I mean, again, this has been the cover-up is always what gets people in trouble.
They had they not made such a big deal about me wanting to get records.
Yeah, things wouldn't have been recorded the way they were.
Things wouldn't have happened the way they did.
I wouldn't have remembered probably things as well as I had to.
They sort of brought it upon themselves.
And I'm sure that people are going over policies now wondering how they shot themselves in the foot so badly.
When would you say that we would expect to see some action on that front as far as criminal investigations and subpoenas moving forward to get these people into court?
And by the way, do you need us to reach out to some of our attorney contacts or do you want to make a plea to or an appeal to attorneys that are out there that may be willing to multiple attorneys have already said that this case has gotten too complicated and too Yeah, it'd be too big for them to be able to handle in the state.
There's not many firms that would be able to take it.
So absolutely, if there's somebody, please contact us.
We're interviewing for them.
I mean, look, in the attorney's defense here, and I'm not wanting to take up for attorneys, but just as a guy who, if I were an attorney and I was looking at this and I'm used to trying DUI cases or, you know, run-in-the-mill divorce cases, family court stuff, and you know, Mitch Snow comes across my desk and I'm taking a look at this.
Yeah, this is this is a little bit something different, I guess you could say.
So if there's an attorney out there that's a fan of a Stew Peters show or has heard what Mitch Snow has said and what he's going through and you want to become more familiar with this case by considering becoming part of this representation, I will just tell you that the implications of this case, for you, it's about your son.
For you, it is 100% about your son.
And I believe that.
But for the rest of the world, your fight for your son is also a fight that I think a lot of people are really interested in suddenly.
So I'm believing God that there will be some sort of an attorney that comes through and says, hey, you know what?
I want to contact.
And by the way, if they want to contact you, do you want to provide contact information or do you want them to come through me at stu atstupeters.com?
They can contact me at, they can contact you.
We totally trust you, Stu.
Or they can justicefornate at pm.me.
I don't know if I want to advertise my phone number over.
Yeah, don't do that.
Don't do that.
But justice, the number four, Nate, at pm.me.
Justice4Nate at PM.me.
That's Mitch Snow's email address.
You're going to get a whole lot of emails, brother.
I'm just warning you right now.
Now that that's, now that that's out there, you're going to get a whole lot of emails, probably ones that you don't want, but hopefully a diamond in the rough, the one that you do want.
And also, if you feel more comfortable reaching out to me and I can make the connection here, that's fine for whatever reason.
Stu at stupeters.com.
But I think that direct communication with Mitch is probably the best idea.
Anyway, all right.
Well, this is this has all become very interesting.
And, you know, when I considered all this and we had spoken and I asked you, could this be what happens here?
And you said, yeah, I thought that that would be a really good opportunity to bring you on and kind of explain all of that.
And I'm glad that I did because it gets really murky and convoluted.
So thank you.
Is there anything else that you want to add?
You know, the core corruption and stuff like that that goes on, we've been trying to fight it on our own with my own case.
That's what brought me to Fort Wachuca.
We work with Jessica Saxton from Justice Without Limits.
You know, I'd like to give a shout out to her.
There's a lot of work going on behind the scenes with a lot of kids that are being separated from their protective parents these days.
It's not just me.
It's not just anybody.
And it's usually under false allegations of domestic violence.
We'd like to give them a little shout out.
They need all the support they can, and they're trying to go across the country to remove some of these corrupt judges.
Amen to that.
There it is.
A well-deserved shout-out, I guess.
I have not looked into the organization, so it's not an endorsement for me.
But if you're saying that, you know, people should go check it out for themselves.
And I want to give a shout out to the people that are coming forward.
Thank you, Mitch.
I really appreciate it.
God bless you.
I want to keep these people at the top of our mind too and encourage more people because we have now multiple, probably a total of seven sources that are still currently inside of Turning Point working and describing the atmosphere there after Mitch made his appearance on this program.
From the outside, we said, wow, they've been really quiet recently.
Well, on the inside, there is an unbelievable amount of panic going on.
These people are desperate.
They hire these people on one-year contracts, but they make them sign 10-year NDAs.
And they are now forcing new NDAs to be signed in the wake of his appearance on this show.
There's a lot more on that coming tomorrow as we go through what our sources are telling us that, by the way, are there.
They're inside the walls of Turning Point.
And I don't know what Tyler Boyer and Andrew Covet and Erica Kirk and Pastor Rob McCoy and Mike McCoy and Blake Daff.
I don't know what they thought.
I don't know if they thought that just, you know, like all of these young men and women would just be like, yeah, okay, well, we're cool with all of this.
Well, they're seeing firsthand what's going on here.
And interestingly enough, I will just leave you with this.
On the day that Charlie Kirk was killed, there were a lot of people that worked for Turning Point that were at their first day at work.
So a lot of these one-year turnovers, they were gone.
And this was the beginning of the new tour.
And to mark the beginning of the new tour, I'm talking about photographers that Charlie Kirk had no idea who these people were.
And he was trying to introduce themselves, you know, himself to them.
And they were like, yeah, he was like, I don't even know who you are.
Yeah, these people that surrounded Charlie that day, other than the mainstays that we have been focused on, all of these other people, for the most part, were on their first day.
They didn't know about the stuff that was being dragged into all of this.
They didn't know about the inner workings of Turning Point.
Well, there's an obvious reason for that because then after the fact, they can't say a whole lot.
They don't have a whole lot to offer about the inner workings of the past or the history or the Doge efforts or any of the previous behavior to compare it to current behavior.
But there is a panic going on inside of Turning Point right now.
And we'll report on what our sources are telling us as we continue tomorrow.
We will be back tomorrow at 7 p.m. Central, 8 p.m. Eastern.
Until then, God bless you.
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