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July 17, 2025 - Stew Peters Show
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Millstone Report w Paul Harrell: Chip & Joanna Gaines Pick LGBT Over Their Christian Base
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My name is Paul Harrell.
We can't do the show without you watching every single day, so we very much appreciate it.
We've got a great show for you today.
One of the things we're going to be talking about, obviously, we're going to be covering what President Trump said about what President Trump said to John Solomon when we ended the Paul Harrell program the afternoon, streaming on X American News at 4 p.m.
That's kind of where me and my co-host Rob Spencer left it.
So we will talk a little bit about that later in the show.
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Yeah, so fascinating developments going on right now when it comes to Donald Trump talking about Epstein and trying to dissect these true social posts that have many people, many people.
We talked about this yesterday.
Many people just utterly confused and are tired of being gaslit.
But I do think some of the things that Trump said to John Solomon yesterday shed a little bit more light on this, linking basically claiming evidence tampering at this point is what he's claiming.
Whether or not you believe that or I believe that is irrelevant.
We're just going to report on that a little later in the program.
But I'm kind of got the Epstein fatigue on this story right now, just like many of you do.
But I would much rather be talking about any number of other issues.
I will say on that John Solomon interview, though, for the first time in months, I did hear Trump say that he hopes the tariffs, he indicated he hopes the tariffs replace the IRS, which, as I've said before, would be the largest transfer of freedom from a government back to the people, I think really since the American Revolution, if that were to ever come to fruition.
And I only mention it because we heard a lot about it from Howard Luttnick back when Doge was going strong and Musk was going to find all these cuts.
And so I don't know if we're hearing it again.
So I'm just making note of that because wouldn't you like that?
That certainly would be good.
But I want to start somewhere else this afternoon.
I want to start with something that has really bothered me.
It has to do with, well, and it's also really sad.
Of course, I'm talking about the Magnolia crowd down there in Waco, Texas, specifically Chip and Joanna Gaines.
Chip and Joanna Gaines have essentially picked the culture.
They've decided to try to avoid awkward conversations with people that they obviously have relationships with, who lead degenerate lifestyles and openly sinful, rebellious lifestyles.
And so instead of their Christian fan base, they have decided to go with the culture.
They've decided to go really with the woke sex religion instead of Christianity.
And it's really bothering me because, first of all, for them, I mean, if we're really going to be honest about it, this is sad for Chip and Joanna Gaines.
This family that has been very much blessed by their shiplap show.
And I don't say that as a mean thing.
I mean, that was a thing.
I mean, they literally were trendsetters.
They were culture setters.
People looked to them.
Christian specifically looked at them because this was a HG TV show, and you could go watch it, and you knew that you were watching somebody that you assumed believed like you.
And it was kind of part of the culture war at a time where, you know, this is at a time where the entire country was being gaslit.
And really the gaslighting On the culture stuff, it was all to conceal.
It was all to make a minority in this country seem like a majority.
And that's why you had Hollywood, the music industry, the news media, the government, also every professional sports league all telling us the same thing, all telling us the same woke garbage, and trying to get us to just accept it and affirm it.
And that's what's so frustrating is the church is not immune to this infiltration.
The church is not immune to this propaganda, as we highlight on this program all the time in our segment, I'm already against women clergy.
You don't have to convince me.
But Katie Faust over at The Federalist, I think has the best summary that I've seen about what's going on with Chip and Joanna Gaines and how they're essentially backing the LGBTQ RSTL and he would you like to buy a vowel enclave over the people that actually were big fans and watching their show who believe in the Bible.
So that's where we're going to start today.
I have this story right now from the Federalist.
Let's go ahead and throw that up on the screen, shall we?
This is it.
Chip and Joanna Gaines, according to Katie Faust, Chip and Joanna Gaines' compromise is a warning to us all.
Is a warning to us all.
She writes, the place where we are seeing the most disappointing compromise from Christians today is on matters of sex, gender, and marriage.
Christian social media was stunned when Fixer Upper Darlings Chip and Joanna Gaines revealed the cast of their new HBO Max series, Back to the Frontier, among the three families heading back to the 1800s life is a same-sex male couple raising surrogate-born twin boys.
So there's so much there.
We're not only normalizing, so the whole surrogate-born thing, which is some sort of legal version of human trafficking, in my opinion.
Also, I mean, it's just insane to it's just insane to me to take a baby away from their mother.
Even if the mother is agreeing to the sale, it's think about that.
The mother's agreeing to the sale.
Something about this is just totally backwards.
But this is the new thing.
And it really goes even further.
It's a lot different than, you know, okay, we're just normalizing a gay couple.
We're normalizing a gay couple.
Now we're normalizing a family that is trying to imitate a normal family and is trying to say, hey, this is a perfectly acceptable thing, which is promoting the idea that a child doesn't need both a mom and a dad, as the good Lord intended.
But I digress from that.
She goes on, other than the matching rugs in my kitchen and dining room, I've had little connection to the world of Magnolia.
But I knew they were supposed to be the standout Christian stars, refusing to compromise or lash out when their pastor came under fire in 2016 for defending biblical marriage.
By the way, my how things change in 10 years.
This is the story from USA Today, back December 2nd, 2016, headline, HGTV, we don't discriminate against LGBT people.
After the furor over HGTV stars Chip and Joanna Gaines membership in a church whose pastor who says that anyone who defines marriage as something other than one man and one woman is wrong, the Home Improvement Network issued a statement in which it stands firm on its commitment to inclusive programming.
So what Katie Faust here is saying here is they refused to compromise when their pastor gave his opinion on what the Bible says about homosexuality.
She says, so because of that, I assumed the gay pair was some kind of oversight.
Maybe rogue producers snuck the couple in on this new show or casting did a switcheroo.
Unfortunately, the answer is no.
That's not what happened.
We now know.
Chip's promo post on X made clear this was intentional.
Quote, y'all are going to love this show.
Social experiment plus family time well spent, end quote.
Katie Faust says, social experiment indeed.
Just not the kind that resonated with his evangelical fan base.
When the backlash came, as it obviously would, he didn't apologize or acknowledge the conflict with biblical convictions.
Instead, he responded with, quote, talk, ask questions, listen, maybe even learn.
Too much to ask of modern American Christian culture.
Boy, modern American Christian culture.
I wonder what he would have thought about, I don't know, biblical times Christian culture, like first century, second century, third century Christian culture.
I wonder what he would think about that version of Christendom.
Too much to ask of modern American Christian culture.
Judge first, understand later slash never is what Chip Gaines said to his fans.
Then came the video of the two men, Joe Riggs and Jason Hanna, describing their casting process.
Let's actually take a look at that, shall we?
Here's the video of the two men, and this is what they said.
How did you hear about this opportunity?
Who was more invested from the jump?
Who took more convincing?
I want to know that whole story.
When I first saw the flyer on social media, there was a gay couple on the flyer.
And so that initially kind of sparked my interest, and I was very much intrigued in learning more about the show and kind of what that experience was going to be.
I'm super honored that when they were choosing three modern day families, that they did choose a same-sex couple as a modern day family because we are.
We are your neighbors and your coworkers.
And so it was this great, amazing opportunity to normalize same-sex couples and same-sex families.
I didn't want to do it.
Why would we put ourselves in this situation To really rough it.
That's not our.
We love our modern modern conveniences.
I was on board with the whole concept of continuing to normalize same-sex families.
I think through our Instagram, through our Two Dogs Dads account, that's one of the reasons we put ourselves out there because of our adoption issues and feeling the need that other families have other struggles still in other states.
So it was just important for us to continue to spread that message.
So this is the reason they went on the show to do the very thing we just said.
Their reason was, hey, we want to stand up for their worldview, and they want to normalize the idea of not only a gay couple, but a gay couple who has adopted twin boys.
So Katie Faust goes on.
HBO's recruitment materials openly featured a same-sex couple recognizing themselves as the perfect fit for the Gaines vision they applied, hoping to normalize gay couples.
Queering the frontier had been the plan all along.
Yeah, there's the real irony there.
The whole show's about getting back to the 1800s.
And that's also very, very ironic when you consider how we are now living off of the derivative fumes of a Christian civilization and faithful men and families before us in the 1800s and beyond.
Gozon, the online backlash wasn't primarily directed at the gay men, though.
It was aimed at Chip and Joanna themselves.
How could this couple, beloved for their professed faith and family values, slide so far?
This is the question.
How did this happen?
Katie Faust says it happens the same way many Christians do, how the faithful fall.
As is so often the case, she writes, the compromise was personal.
The Gaines longtime photographer is a man subjecting his five children, get this, to a gay, polyamorous household and remains in their employ and has been publicly affirmed by Joanna.
They're talking about this Megan Basham tweet, where she wrote, so after hearing from multiple sources that Chip Gaines and Joanna Gaines have close professional and personal ties to a strange polyamory arrangement in which a husband and father brought another man into the home and they are now together while the wife remains to raise the four children is true.
The main question is, is Billy Jack Brauner, Magnolia photographer?
I am told that the Gaines did not rebuke this situation, but instead have affirmed Billy Jack in his choices.
The rot in Waco goes a lot deeper than I suspected.
And as to Joanne affirming this, Megan Basham reports Joanna's response to Brauner's announcement about creating a sort of thrupple with his wife and gay lover, Joanna Gaines responded, yes, Billy Jack Bronner, you are so good.
We love you.
And this was in response to an Instagram post where the polyamorous Billy Jack Bronner says, I've written pages and pages and pages about this.
It's all I've ever been able to do.
I bet someday I'll tell my story, and I bet someday I'll explain everything.
But for now, I don't feel that I owe anyone an explanation who hasn't already gotten one.
So I'll just say this.
I was a gay little boy who grew up absolutely hating myself, and I'm a gay man who is learning to absolutely love myself.
I'm so good.
I'm raising babies who are so good with my best friend on the planet, understatement, who is so good.
I'm in love with a man who is so good.
My life is so good, and I am so thankful.
No more hate.
So you can understand when Joanne Gaines not only likes it, but she then says, you are so good.
We love you.
This is raising eyebrows all across the Christian community.
They validated him, Katie Faust writes.
They validated him and his choices and are now becoming like him.
I mean, can you imagine?
Think about the family.
Think about the family and the children in this now polyamorous, strange, very strange, inverted relationship.
The idea that Chip and Joanna Gaines would just love this person and not tell them what they're doing is wrong to the children is a huge, huge, huge issue.
But Katie Faust actually, I think, has a really good explanation for why that is.
And I think it kind of goes with what Steve Dace said at the Trash World Conference several months ago about love the Lord your God, the two greatest commandments, love the Lord your God and love your neighbor.
But we have replaced, we've put love your neighbor in front of love the Lord your God.
So they validated him and his choices and are now becoming like him.
In a 1 Corinthians 1533 adaptation, one youth pastor I know tells his students, show me your friends and I will show you your future.
We've all heard that before.
Katie Faust goes on, quote, that's not just true for kids.
When those in our innermost circle openly defy God's righteous decrees and we offer no objection, we take the first step down a slippery moral slope.
The bottom of that slope is often full of apostasy.
Because if you cannot trust God's verifiably objective and beneficial standards concerning gender, sex, and marriage, why would you trust the harder to verify claims like the resurrection, virgin birth, and his promise to come again to judge the living and the dead?
Excellent question.
She goes on, the gains aren't just or aren't the first Christian icons to slip from their built-on solid rock foundations.
Jen Hatmaker, Joshua Harris, and even renowned theologian Richard B. Hayes, whose son co-authored a 2023 pro-gay book with him before his death, all traveled the same downward slope, allowing relationships to shape their theology.
They arrived at a place where, on issues of gay relationships, they believed themselves to be more loving than God.
More loving than God, thereby essentially exposing them as not actually following the first of the greatest commandments: love the Lord your God with all your being.
She writes, it's not just celebrities.
In my 30 years of ministry, I've seen pastors, small group leaders, BSF teachers, and decades-long faithful pew sitters begin to slide almost always because someone close to them identifies as LGBT.
Whether it's a child, sibling, neighbor, or friend, the ultimatum is clear.
Affirm me or affirm God's truth.
You have to choose.
And too often, Christians choose the affirming people option because they've been shaped by a watered-down theology that reduces the gospel to love God, love people.
They let Matthew 7, 1, judge not, override Romans 1, which not only condemns 25 forms of rebellion, but also warns that God's wrath extends to those who give approval to those who practice them.
Heartily approve of them.
It's in Romans chapter 1.
In the name of preserving the relationship, they forfeit the truth.
Let me say that again.
In the name of preserving the relationship, they forfeit the truth.
Exchanging the truth of God for a lie.
Why, if you really think about it, if you can take all of the potential relationship harm, political correctness, you take all that, you put all it aside, why would you ever, if you really think about it, understand who God is as revealed to us in Scripture?
Why would you ever want to forfeit the objective truth of God?
There is no fruit in that in the end.
It may save you from awkward conversations, might save you from awkward thanksgivings, but what is that compared to the truth in a world where we argue about what the truth is all the time?
Everybody's always got a defense for somebody else.
But the idea, have you really ever think about that?
Ever think about the concept of the truth?
The ultimate truth, obviously, that Jesus Christ is Lord.
Why would we want to ever forfeit that?
And obviously, I know we sin every day.
People sin every day.
But this is an active choice that people just don't stop and think about.
Like, as somebody who is a journalist, is in politics, I'm in the news every day.
It can be stressful.
It can be demoralizing, especially with everything that we're having to go through the last week with the, you know, that started with the Axios getting the leak from the Justice Department about Epstein and everything else.
And you just think, man, this is so ridiculous.
But to think, to think with all of that strife that there will be a day where everyone knows what the truth is, that the knowledge of God will be like the waters that cover the earth.
Both sheep and goats will know what the truth is.
There's not going to be opposing counsel.
There's not going to be, well, let me tell you my side of the story.
No, the truth will be what the king says it is and what the king has said and written down.
And that is an encouraging thought for me.
And it's a day that I look forward to.
The day for debate will be over.
Katie Faust goes on, talks about, again, in the name of preserving the relationship, they forfeit the truth.
And she says, this is a pattern.
Over and over.
This is the pattern.
Someone comes out, and soon the family member's theology bends to accommodate their relationship.
But biblically, the exact opposite should be true.
We're called to love, but never affirm sin.
In fact, we often love them by condemning the sin.
Yes, biblically, loving our LGBT neighbors will inevitably result in relational friction.
But when friction arises, Scripture repeatedly warns us to be the influencers, not the influenced.
God calls us to be in the world, but never of it.
Our theology is not to be conformed to our daughter's new gender identity, but our mind, and by extension hers, is to be transformed by the reality that God made us male and female.
Kindness to adults, cruelty to kids, in a pride-obsessed world, faithful Christians will face trouble.
But take heart.
You can overcome the world.
But if you refuse to, children pay the price, which is one of the reasons I call this show the Millstone Report.
Because in many cases, because of our society, children are actually being led down a path that leads to hell.
The place where we are seeing the most disappointing compromise from Christians today is on matters of sex, gender, and marriage.
Refusing to comply with LGBT ideology will exact a relational cost.
Enter theological wolves like Matthew Vines and Father James Martin who offer what looks like a solution, a version of Christianity that affirms LGBT identities while claiming to remain faithful to scripture.
For Christians trying to placate LGBT friends or family, it feels like a win-win social approval without outright apostasy.
But, she writes, it's a mirage.
It's fake.
Their teaching on same-sex marriage, or I'm sorry, their teaching on sex and marriage gives believers biblical cover to avoid the necessary discomfort of truth-telling.
They redefine compromise as compassion and affirmation as love.
Yet kindness that contradicts God's design is not kindness at all.
When Christian adults refuse to pay a short-term social cost, we force children to bear a lifelong cost.
Why is that?
God's design for marriage aims not only at childbearing, but child flourishing.
Malachi 2.15.
From Genesis to Revelation, he insists on a male-female lifelong exclusive union.
God did not conjure up a marital relationship that was complementary, permanent, and exclusive out of thin air.
He devised this structure because each of those marital distinctives has a critical child-specific benefit.
And let me just say something else.
You ever think about how the idea of marriage is something that came before the fall?
Marriage is a lot harder because of the fall, but marriage was instituted by God before Adam and Eve sinned and fell.
Rest was instituted by God before the fall.
Marriage was instituted by God before the fall.
And work was instituted by God before the fall.
Then man sins.
Then we fell.
God cursed the earth, curses the serpent, preaches the gospel and says, but the seed of the woman will crush the serpent.
And then after the fall, we toil.
All of a sudden, these instituted ideas and concepts that were perfect before the fall, where Adam was working in the garden and didn't even sweat.
You ever go to Home Depot?
You ever go to Home Depot on a Saturday because you got a project and you end up going to Home Depot like three or four times because you keep forgetting things?
That didn't happen.
They didn't happen to Adam.
The idea of subduing the earth, naming the animals, being over the earth, things were working out just the way he intended.
But then after the fall, now you got to go to Home Depot six times.
Okay, things don't work out exactly, and we toil and we sweat.
Marriage, much harder.
Now the woman is going to want to rule over the man.
That's going to be one of the temptations.
Man is going to also want to be passive and not take responsibility and dominion.
And then rest.
Rest is difficult, isn't it?
Isn't it difficult?
Rest is hard.
The desire to even want to not take a break from your six-day labors on that seventh day.
Anyway, I digress.
I'm sorry.
I just wanted to point that out.
What we're talking about here, if you really think about it, understand it theologically before the fall versus after the fall, a marriage between a man and a woman is literally the cornerstone of our created being.
We are not meant to be alone.
And he created us male and female.
And so this is a direct attack on the Lord.
It's a direct attack on his creation.
And children are the ones that suffer.
She goes on and she writes, marriage is complementary, one man and one woman, because moms and dads offer distinct and critical contributions to child development.
It is permanent till death to us part because children need their mother and father for their entire lives.
When that union fractures, kids suffer physically, emotionally, mentally, academically, relationally.
It is exclusive, no infidelity.
Because the presence of unrelated adults in the home dramatically increases risk of abuse and neglect, the most dangerous place for a child today is in the home of an unrelated man.
Whether it's cohabitation, easy divorce, remarriage, polyamory, or platforming a same-sex household at a national TV show, compromise on marriage always harms children or normalizes the kind of family structures that will.
That is a no-go zone for Christians.
Child protection is not optional for the church.
For two millennia, our public witness has elevated the rights and well-being of children.
Compromise on God's design for marriage does the opposite.
It puts children at risk.
That's millstone territory.
The Gaines, Chip, and Joanna, they fell for the trap.
That ensnares many Christians, allowing relationships to bend our theology.
God has long warned us of this relational enticement.
Should our friends force us to choose?
We must elevate truth over relationships.
When our theology bends to personal connection, it breaks the very truth that sets people free and protects the least of these.
This isn't just about the gains.
It's about every one of us facing the quiet pressure to exchange the truth for acceptance.
Faithfulness requires courage, but our children, our witness, and our souls are worth the cost.
Again, that's Katie Faust over at The Federalist.
What a great summary.
I love how she cataloged all of the, you know, she cited all of her sources.
That's how I found all these articles.
Obviously, I've been following.
We covered this briefly late last week, but we've just been so inundated with other stories that I haven't gotten to this.
But in terms of culture, that's one of the things this show I want to focus on, and I'm going to try my best to focus on it more and more and more.
So, something to think about.
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Okay, so do you guys remember 2016?
Donald Trump running for office and Hillary Clinton's emails.
Did you wipe your server?
Did you wipe your server with Secretary Clinton?
What, like with a cloth?
And then she laughs.
And conveniently, she was in a nice bright orange pant suit when she said that, by the way.
Many people wanting her to actually be in prison clothes.
And that led to the rally chants of lock her up.
Lock her up.
Lock her up.
Lock up Hillary Clinton.
So Matt Walsh makes this point.
And he said, essentially, like, look, the idea that Donald Trump represents a force that's going to actually put criminals and America haters, when I say America haters, I mean these people, these politicians, whether it's people like Clinton or people like the Intel oligarchy, they say that they love us, but they actually hate us.
It's always been a thing that there will be accountability, that there will be some form of accountability for all of these evil people.
And so this is why the whole Epstein thing is such a powder keg right now.
And virtually every, there's very few people in the MAGA social media sphere that have not been critical of the last two weeks.
It's just very few.
And you can call all those people panicans if you want, but I mean, we are right to be alarmed by this.
We are right.
And we're alarmed by this because we're concerned for the president.
We're concerned for his agenda.
We're concerned for what this means about if you do go after the cross find hurricane people, but then we don't do this, the Epstein thing.
Are we pulling our punches?
Are we really going to go far enough?
Is this about protecting the Intel agencies or international agencies like Mossad?
It's all perfectly valid.
Donald Trump has made some very, very troubling posts on Truth Social, and it's been confusing.
It's made people mad.
It's made me mad.
It's made me.
So we're trying to get to the bottom of this.
And we may never get to the bottom of it, but there are a few working theories involved.
And one of those theories is now, based on Trump's, a couple of Trump's posts and his interview with John Solomon, which we'll get to, is that he's essentially saying or intuiting that the Epstein files have been doctored and either he's been put on there or people close to him has been put on there or innocent people have been put on there or whatever.
That's essentially what he's saying because he is literally comparing this to Crossfire Hurricane, the Steele dossier, where they said that Trump had this, was over in Russia partying with these girls.
And remember, the urination allegations, all that, right?
Like, we have to remember how it and so it's been trouble, like scratching your head, like, what in the world is actually going on here?
Because Epstein's not a hoax.
I mean, it's not a hoax that this guy was a trafficker and a blackmail artist and everything else, but now he's calling it a hoax.
And so this is what I think is about to happen.
And I could be wrong here, but this is what I think is about to happen.
I think just like the DOJ memo was leaked to Axios, I think these Epstein files are going to get leaked.
And I think, well, I don't know, but the allegation will be from Trump, they're doctored.
I tried to tell you.
They're not real.
And Trump could very well be right about that.
But you talk about a giant asterisk distraction, whatever.
It will be all the media talks about nonstop.
And that is why that is one of the reasons.
And I'm not saying that I believe it.
I'm just telling you that is why he's comparing this to the Russia, Russia, Russia hoax.
I was talking with Rob Spencer, my co-host, in the afternoon, and he was like, I can't believe he's using the word hoax.
It's not a hoax.
And we talked about how, you know, with the Russia, Russia, Russia collusion hoax, we know it's a hoax because evidence was released proving it was a hoax.
We got no evidence.
And that's why Trump is saying, I think, okay, if she's got credible documents, credible documents, Epstein documents, she should release them.
Folks, I'm just telling you what I think is going on.
I'm not necessarily saying that I believe it.
I don't know what to believe now.
I honestly don't know.
But to my point, that I think this thing is going to leak.
Let's just stick with that.
I think that these Epstein docks are going to leak.
Here is, so MSNBC did three hits this morning on this.
Apparently, Fox and Friends didn't do any talking about Epstein.
So MSNBC smells blood in the water.
Here is Jamie Raskin watching.
State congressman could have gotten that from 21 to 25 when Democrats controlled the DOJ.
When the Democrats controlled the DOJ, why didn't they release the files That now the Democrats are saying we want them released.
It was a crisis then.
It's a crisis now.
Why didn't Democrats call for it from 21 to 25?
So, I mean, you'd have to go back and look specifically at particular prosecutorial decisions and what was taking place in terms of the other cases.
So, I don't know.
You could try to reconstruct that record.
But the point is, is that Donald Trump is the one who has led the crusade to say that that Epstein, who was his very close friend.
And there's all kinds of.
Oh, by the way, the answer to that question was essentially like, well, the Justice Department was busy when we were in power.
So far, Fox and Friends, Carly Bone says, so far, Fox and Friends hasn't mentioned Epstein this morning, where MSDNC is on their third segment.
Seems to be debunked.
NBC News senior White House correspondent Garrett Haik has the latest on the divisions within MAGA World over the Jeffrey Epstein files.
President Trump lashing out at his own supporters amid the ongoing Republican outcry over his administration's decision not to release Justice Department files related to convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.
I lost a lot of faith in certain people, yeah.
I lost because they got duped by the Democrats.
The president dismissing the interest by some in the MAGA world in Epstein as a Democratic distraction and chastising those supporters as, quote, weaklings.
It's all been a big hoax.
It's perpetrated by the Democrats.
And some stupid Republicans and foolish Republicans fall into the net, and so they try and do the Democrats' work.
They're wasting their time with a guy who obviously had some very serious problems who died three, four years ago.
I'd rather talk about the success we have with the economy, the best we've ever had, and all of that.
So we've heard all of this.
Here is Donald Trump with, this is what we really wanted to get to.
Right after I got off the air yesterday afternoon, John Solomon aired his interview with President Donald Trump by phone, talking about a special prosecutor going after not just not just Crossfire Hurricane, not just all the intel oligarchy corruption that framed him for treason, but also looking into Jeffrey Epstein.
Listen.
For all the things that have happened, there is the Russia collusion against you.
There is Jack Smith against you.
There's all the things that happened in 2020, not investigating China interference in the 2020 election.
Where do you think, what are the things that are most important that you would like to see the FBI get to the bottom of?
I think they could look at all of it.
It's all the same scam.
They could look at this Jeffrey Epstein hoax also, because that's the same stuff.
That's all put out by Democrats.
And, you know, some of the naive Republicans fall right into line like they always do.
They just don't have the sustainability.
They don't have the something.
They don't have that stick-to-look glue.
The Democrats, you know, they have bad policy.
They have bad candidates.
They have bad everything.
But they stick together.
The Republicans don't do that, but they ought to look into the...
That's why you actually have people on the Republican side.
Now, he actually could be right that just in a zero-sum game, the side that just sticks together and has no principles and falls in line can be more effective in an ideological battle or politics.
But it's just what I've been saying.
It's just the Republican Party's a coalition, and what we witnessed in 2024 was a historic restructuring of political elites in a big way.
But let's keep listening here.
The Jeffrey Epstein hoax, too, because that's another hoax that's frankly put out by the Democrats, pushing the Republicans and put out by the Democrats.
Okay, so you take that statement along with his truth social posts over the last two days that have been head scratchers.
And one of the theories out there, and I'm not the person that came up with this, but one of the theories out there is, look, he's essentially saying just like they wrote and made up the steel dossier, the files, which have been in the possession, you know, basically there's a poison pill put into the files to guarantee that they won't ever get released.
Or they're just completely doctored.
And there's no, I saw, I heard people talking about chain of custody with the evidence.
And so you hear him say, you know, credible, if it's a credible document.
The problem is there's going to be people that just never believe it because we're no longer talking.
This is the issue, is we're no longer talking about blackmail and justice for the victims.
And this is why some people are just, they're never, understandably so, got to be satisfied with this explanation.
Daryl Cooper writing, the most charitable speculation read Trump's strange recent turn on the Epstein files.
So this is the most charitable speculation.
Is that his enemies slipped incriminating false info against him or people close to him to prevent their release?
Will be interesting to see what the administration says about the firing of Maureen Comey.
That happened after we got off the air.
James Comey's daughter has been fired after she handled the Ghelane Maxwell case and the Diddy case, which Diddy basically got off on the most serious charges.
He says, either way, the messaging has been borderline schizophrenic.
Now, that is true.
The messaging has been schizophrenic.
And it's crazy.
If Pam Bondi had not done what she had done with the binders and all the promises, there'd be virtually no one right now that would think Trump is implicated if she hadn't handled this the way she did.
But then again, it's possible that they had every full intention of doing it.
And then, again, this most charitable speculation that they've doctored the evidence, that the deep state has doctored the files could explain the schizophrenia here.
But I just will say I'm kind of tired of the I'm tired of the excuses.
But the world, look, I'm not the emperor.
The world, in many cases, is not the way I wish it were, but it is.
And we're going to watch these events unfold and see exactly what's happened.
But Patrick Batt David brings up a good point that no one is bringing more attention to the Epstein files right now than President Trump himself.
He said this yesterday.
It's getting out of control.
An insider should have a conversation.
His team made promises they didn't keep.
The base is pissed.
Rightfully so.
Your base is not your enemy.
Focus on regaining trust.
And let's see here.
Yeah, so that's what's going on.
And I'm going to dive into this and see if we can't figure out, you know, find more information between now and 4 o'clock when I come back on the air.
I've got about 10 minutes left in the show.
But I will tell you this.
I will say John Solomon did essentially, he now has evidence that the CIA director Mike Morrell has turned on director John Brennan and asks if he would join in toppling the United States government.
In a stunning exchange, listen to this, the damning email obtained by John Solomon.
In a stunning exchange, CIA director Mike Morrell turns to his fellow director, John Brennan, and asks if he would join in toppling the United States government during the November 3rd, 2020 election.
Brennan not only agrees, but also expresses his gratitude.
Quote, CIA Mike Morrell, can I add your name to the list?
We'll be adding Leon Panetta, Sue Gordon, Jay Johnson, George, Lisa Monaco, and Mike Rogers, working on Dan Coates, Mike Rogers, and Tom Bossert, and lots of other intelligence community career folk trying to give the effing vegetable, particularly during the debate on Thursday, a talking point to push back on Trump on this issue.
CIA John Brennan, okay, Michael, add my name to the list.
Good initiative.
Thanks for asking me to sign on.
Literally, you have a CIA director saying that we're trying to give him political talking points.
And again, remember that Donald Trump is president during this time.
Pretty nutty.
A short while ago, Justin News obtained this email.
This is a very important email.
It comes from the former CIA director, Mike Murrow.
Yes, the guy that organized that letter from the 51 intelligence professionals who tried to fake you into thinking that the Hunter-Biden laptop was Russian disinformation when it wasn't.
It is between him and John Brennan, one of the signatories.
You know who John Brennan is.
He was Obama's CIA director, right?
He's the guy that told Obama, hey, Hillary Clinton is doing a dirty trick on Donald Trump called Russia Collusion.
Well, this is just before the presidential debate between Donald Trump and Joe Biden.
Hunter Biden's laptop is flinging out there.
This is what Mike Morrell, former CIA director, tells his successor, John Brennan, hey, sign this letter because I'm, quote, trying to give the campaign, particularly during the debate on Thursday, a talking point to push back on Trump on this issue.
A man with a security clearance, a man with the title of CIA director, knew that he wasn't creating an intelligence product, America's civic duty with 51 people.
He was trying to create a political moment.
Damning evidence.
We'll try to find out if Congress has this letter, but this is a very important piece.
It is the ultimate proof that what went out on that letter was a political dirty trick coordinated with the Biden campaign.
All of that to say, you know, Mike Morrell should be, and John Brennan should be in handcuffs right now.
They should be in handcuffs right now.
So we're about to watch another six months to a year of this grand conspiracy probe.
We're going to hear about it, I'm sure, from people like John Solomon because he was the one that told us all about John Durham.
And the question is, does it actually lead to arrests and justice?
Does it lead to charges, arrests, injustice?
And I said this on the show, and this really encompasses the Epstein stuff, too.
If that doesn't happen, like if we look back in three years and none of that has happened, then it's, you know, the question here on my mind is as an American, as a husband, as a father, Our leader, we have a lot of people
we are either slaves or we are free men that can and we either have a representative government that actually answers to the people or we don't, or we're slaves.
And if that's where we are, which I mean, I think many of us have already answered that question and have come to a conclusion.
But I guess it'll just be even more evidence.
If you don't deliver, if you don't winnow your enemies, the enemies get back in power and they're going to make it very miserable for Christians in this country in ways we can't even possibly imagine.
That much I know.
And that's why this is all very, very important.
And that's why people are caring about this.
And many of them care about it because all of it, because they actually care about President Trump.
So, and they actually want him to be the guy he says he is and the guy that got up from the podium after he got shot in the ear and said, fight, fight, fight.
I don't know about you.
I am surprised that it has taken seven, we're six, seven months in.
Because I mean, look, I'm not, you know, I'm not a very aggressive guy, but I would like to think that if I was shot, and look, come on, at a bare minimum, the Secret Service stood down and created this whole mess on purpose.
It's probably a lot more sinister than that.
But like, if somebody took a shot at me and I lived and then I got to be the most powerful man in the world, put yourself in his shoes.
Why wouldn't you go after those people with everything you have?
And I think that's really what this is all about.
It's really all about people clamoring for accountability and justice.
And my goodness, even the appearance of it.
But right now, all we're doing is talking.
Right now, all we're doing is tweeting and posting and saying, this is coming.
This is next.
This is next.
And there'll be people critical, say, well, you're just being too impatient.
You've got to give it a little bit more time.
Okay, that's fine.
But don't be mad at the people that have a healthy skepticism of government.
Don't be mad at the people that don't trust what's going on right now because this is arguably one of the most corrupt governments in all of world history where we have the technology to enslave ourselves.
We have the technology to spy on anybody we want.
And the human condition, going back to our Genesis 3 discussion earlier when we were talking about Chip and Joanna Gaines, if you know anything about human nature, if all these people's rights are being violated and you have the technology to do it, the question isn't, well, why would they do that?
The question is, why wouldn't they do that?
Because no one, the reason they do it is because no one will stop them and punish them for their crimes.
And they know it.
And that's what's so disgusting about all of this.
And that's why the American people care, not just about Epstein, but all of it.
We know Washington, D.C. hasn't represented us for a very long time.
Pretty much for the last century, 100 years or more.
People are disgusted.
And they want justice.
As close as we can get to earthly justice in men's courts.
And we say all that at the same time knowing that God is in control over all of this.
He's in control of it.
And what man, what the devil means for evil, God can turn and often does things for good.
And so that's an encouraging thought.
If you take anything away from the show today, think about God being in control and say a prayer of thanks to Him for sustaining all of us.
That's all the time that I have for this edition of the Millstone Report.
I really appreciate you being with us.
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