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April 1, 2025 - Stew Peters Show
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Millstone Report w Paul Harrell: Anti-Trump Activist Judges Threat to America’s Safety
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This is the Millstone Report.
Thank you so much for being with us.
As always, we cannot do the program without you watching every single day.
My name is Paul Harrell, and we are glad that you are with us.
We've got a great show.
We're going to talk some eschatology.
I don't know if anybody saw the Tucker Carlson show with Andrew Isker, Pastor Andrew Isker.
It was certainly a fantastic episode.
I mean, they talked a lot about the Bible, a lot about Jesus Christ, and they talked about eschatology, dispensationalism, versus the, you know, predominant beliefs, you know, for the first 1800 years of the church.
That was certainly fascinating.
Interesting to think about how these ideas are getting out to more and more people.
Also, we're going to talk about these activist judges.
Obviously, the fact that the judges, the judiciary, continues to thwart, essentially, the 2024 election with all of these injunctions, national injunctions.
We'll talk about that.
As well as Trin de Agua and MS-13, these gangs, these violent gangs that have been part of what we now know as a Proven systemic invasion that was not only enabled, but I mean it was an active plan to register give people social security numbers Elon Musk exposed this To give people social security numbers to register them to vote we have according to Musk.
They did in fact vote in just the limited sample sizing that was done by You know the doge apparatus And now the media, now that these mass deportations...
That's what people voted for, by the way.
And, you know, there's some criticism on the right that the deportations aren't going far enough, but at the bare minimum, what was promised in the election was the mass deportation of violent criminals.
Of violent, illegal, alien criminals.
Many of them a part of these gangs, whether it's MS-13 or Trinidad or I'm sure there's other gangs as well out there.
So, at the bare minimum, this is clearly what the American people voted for.
Now, there are now, you know, the media is now painting these people as victims.
They're painting gang members, violent gang members, the type of people who were affiliated with gangs that murdered people like Lake and Riley.
They're now trying to paint them as victims and they're being denied due process.
And I know there's, you know, reports of people getting swept up that have no business, you know, being swept up.
But I think it's very clear the situation right now.
We have been under an invasion.
We have been under an invasion, a calculated battle plan to destroy this country, and the administration is trying to do something about that.
And so let's get right into it.
CNN taking the biggest...
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But let's get right into it, shall we?
This is the CNN clip between, you know, an entire panel basically, and Scott Jennings, who is You know, habitually the lone voice of reason.
They're very upset that legal immigrants are not being given due process.
The idea being that the second you get across the border as an illegal alien, that you can't just be deported.
That you have now, you know, you now have to have due process.
And Jennings takes exception to that.
And let's just take a listen.
believe that in a constitutional democracy like the United States of America, where it's So apparently Joe Rogan said it was horrific if innocents are wrapped up in the deportations and wind up in a El Salvadorian prison.
We are having to rely on information based on an administration that does not have a good relationship with the truth.
They're not even willing to provide the judges who are part of these cases with the documents to prove that some of these individuals actually either did have due process or had been found to be criminal gang members.
And let's be very clear.
I don't think anybody at this table wants criminals in this country who are murdering children, who are hurting people.
I think that's like we can probably go baseline there.
Probably not, though.
We have to ask ourselves is if you believe in a constitutional democracy, do you not want your president to follow the law?
And by the way, in our own CNN poll, a vast majority of Americans said they're concerned and want to see Donald Trump follow the law.
Isn't this exactly what we denounce other countries for doing, not giving our own citizens when they get wrongfully detained around the world, our own citizens, the due process that they deserve?
Well, I think multiple things could be true.
Number one, I delineate between American citizens and everyone else.
If you're a U.S.
citizen.
Follow the law.
I put you in a different category.
On due process, that's not a distinction that the law makes.
Then if you've come here and broken our laws and committed violent acts or murdered and raped and whatever, I put you in a different category.
When it comes to the law in due process.
That is not a distinction.
Well, if you'd like to argue that Trinidad and Tobago should have the same rights that you get as an American citizen, go ahead.
You're saying that a terrorist can walk across the border and become effectively a U.S. citizen?
That's not what I'm saying.
Scott, look at me, okay?
You and I are talking.
You and I are talking.
What I'm saying to you, I'm saying that These people are effectively terrorists.
They walked across our borders illegally.
They are violent.
I don't really want them here.
But doesn't the government have to prove that they are who they say they are?
Correct. That's all we're saying.
That's all.
I mean, you can say it's not a concession that you like Trinidad and Tobago.
It's just a question of The basics of civics in this country.
I think eventually the government will have to show all of its cards on everybody that they have detained, deported, or done anything to in this arena.
But there is no doubt, there is no doubt, that the Trump administration is rounding up effectively terrorists who came across here illegally, committed horrific acts, and do not need to be in this country.
Alright, so, you know, a couple of things come to mind here.
We really are, you know, there's a There's just a real, quite frankly, it's a lack of a war mentality.
I mean, if you see this as the open border, the plan, the coordinated plan to destroy the country demographically, to register these people to vote, you know, essentially a color revolution, communist takeover.
If you see it as a war against the American people, then the stuff that you're willing to do in war And it also comes to the fact that this is not a formal nation-state, right?
A formal nation-state declaring war and then invading our country.
Once again, though, the media, they have no idea.
Well, they do, quite frankly.
They just are apologizing for the violence, not to mention just the outright theft of government benefits.
We knew this was coming.
We knew this was coming when you had Christianity Today, right?
The woke Christianity Today publication putting out, you know, to their reporters, hey, if you see any sob stories, we want them.
And anything you see about people being arrested off the streets, we want them.
We want to make much of this idea.
And so we've known that this was going to happen.
We've known this was going to be the tactics for a very, very long time.
Uh, and so we are certainly in the midst of what, what, you know, again, what did you vote for?
Mass deportations are what people voted for.
I think the deportations are not going fast enough, but at a bare minimum, we were told that it would start with violent, uh, violent lawbreakers, people who are, uh, criminals.
Um, and they are criminals just by their very nature of being here illegally.
William Wolfe from the Center of Baptist Leadership writing, just Google MS-13 or better yet GROCKIT.
They are one of the most violent illegal alien gangs in the U.S. drug trafficking, rape, senseless murders, you name it.
And overnight the media decided that they are the real victims here.
Bold strategy.
Let's see how that works out.
William Wolfe says, yeah I support due process for illegal aliens.
They are due to be processed immediately out of the country and never brought back.
So we also are failing to grasp the whole concept of and that they've been trying to do this forever when you know they don't want you to use the term this was back when you know the late Lou Dobbs was on the air every night preaching this where they changed the terminology from illegal aliens to illegal immigrants to undocumented immigrants and then of course we've got a lot of big Eva We
also have a judge dismissing a case against a man because he was detained by ICE mid-trial.
And actually he's found an ICE agent in contempt.
So this is in Massachusetts.
A state judge in Boston has dismissed a case against a man who was taken into federal custody in the middle of his criminal trial last week, citing prosecutorial misconduct, and found a U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agent in contempt.
Judge says this is disturbing.
So they were, they had this guy on criminal charges, you know, he was being prosecuted.
His name is William Martel LeBron, but he was detained by ICE agents outside of the courtroom on Thursday after the start of his jury trial on charges of providing false information on a license application.
Somerville had held an emergency hearing on the matter Friday where he ordered ICE to return Martel LeBron, who's now being held in federal custody in Plymouth, to the court to stand trial on Monday.
The defense attorney, Murat Erkan, On Monday called what happened obstruction of justice and alleged a plan involving the state to deport Martel LeBron.
Ercon said that all it took was an email for ICE agents to show up at previous hearings, yet they ignored the order to appear in court Monday.
During the hearing, Somerville repeatedly overruled objections and threatened to throw out the lawyer for the Assistant District Attorney, Jack Lucey.
Lucey was called as a witness where he admitted that ICE agent Brian Sullivan shared his intention over the phone the day before the trial to take Martel LeBron into custody.
Lucey said he met with Sullivan and two state troopers during This is once again this is just going to be another kind of example of the tension that we have with these leftist blue states and the Trump administration and what they're trying to do to deport criminal illegal aliens.
So that's and then we have the judges.
Let's move on to the judges.
We've got this from yesterday a federal judge named Edward Chen in San Francisco has now blocked the Trump administration from ending TPS or temporary protected status for 350,000 Venezuelans in the US right now.
Their work permits and protection from removal was set to be terminated next week.
So we have another judge interfering.
Now our friend Charles Haywood from the Worthy House has an interesting take on this.
He writes the main check on district judges issuing bogus injunctions used to be fear of being overruled.
If a circuit court overturned you, you were humiliated in front of the profession.
Now, though, judges are instead celebrated by the people whose good opinion they crave for acting totally outside the law and are therefore indifferent to being reversed on appeal.
In fact, they celebrate it as evidence they are resisting and a part of the good guys.
This is an unstable situation, though an open constitutional rupture might yet be avoided if circuit courts quash all these decisions quickly.
That has already happened in a few cases, but it happens Yeah, I mean, in my opinion, the whole, and we talked about this before the election, you know, the idea of constitutioning harder.
People have made these points.
But I mean it is just to me an objective fact at this point that the Constitution isn't worth the paper it's written on because it hasn't been really in effect.
It hasn't been the governing law over this country for so long now, right?
I mean it's just been thwarted and thwarted and thwarted by the judiciary.
To the point now where people talk I was listening to actually on the way into work.
I was listening to Glenn Beck this morning railing about he was on the radio railing against this idea of Trump.
You know, saying he could get a third term.
I know Steve Bannon has talked about how it could happen.
There's people saying that, you know, like, Vance could run for president and pick Trump as his running mate and then Vance could resign and then Trump is unable to get a third term.
And this has got people worked up.
I don't, I don't really, I don't really care.
But, but all he was talking about, Beck was talking about, the Constitution, the Constitution, your principles, your principles.
And I'm just sitting there thinking, this is just so tired and boring at this point, because it only goes one way.
The Constitution only The Constitution only matters when the leftists say that it should matter.
The Constitution never matters when the right says it should matter.
And as somebody who's, you know, I'm 40 years old, I've grown up seeing this happen.
I've seen this happen and it just, it doesn't, and I used to be the guy, look, I mean, I, I, I, you know, generally speaking, like the Constitution, think it's a great document, you know, love America, love our, love our country, but it, We have been in the midst of basically a soft, you know, communist takeover for most of my life when it comes to that document being ignored time and time again.
And so when we had Jeff Younger on the program a couple of weeks ago, he said at this point if you even want, and feel free to disagree with this, but the idea being if you even want the hope of getting back to some sort of constitutional government that's limited, You're gonna have to have somebody that basically winnows your political enemies to the point where their ideas are run out of town on a rail.
And in order to do that, you may have to ignore these judges.
Now, we have Senator Kennedy from Louisiana.
Here's another one.
Breaking a federal judge has blocked the Trump administration from firing any CIA or Or DNI employees who worked on diversity, equity, and inclusion.
So here's another incursion.
And so when you look at what they're trying to do to prevent deportations, when you look at what they're trying to do to prevent the reformation of these intel oligarchs, these judges are literally threatening the safety of this country.
They are threatening the safety of average Americans.
Specifically with the Uh, the illegal aliens and, you know, essentially the third world invading this country.
Barbarians. Here is Senator Kennedy.
Elon Musk posted this from Wall Street apes.
Senator, a universal injunction is what we call an order from a court enjoining the government in a way that goes beyond the parties to the case but applies nationwide or in some cases universally to enjoin the government.
Is it sometimes referred to as a nationwide injunction?
Yes, it is, Senator.
What's the statutory basis I'm not aware of a statutory basis, Senator.
No, Senator.
What's the United States Supreme Court opinion which interprets the Constitution in a way that allows a federal district court judge to do this?
I'm not aware of one, Senator.
I'm not aware of one, Senator.
How can a federal judge issue an order that affects everybody else, other than those in front of him or her?
How is that possible?
It shouldn't be possible, Senator, but district courts do it all the time.
I think on the theory that the courts need to enjoin a federal policy from going into effect, and they often will enjoin it as nationwide, so all non-parties are protected by that injunction.
I thought that if you wanted to affect parties who aren't in court, you had to file a class action.
That's correct, Senator.
So why don't the federal judges, instead of issuing a universal injunction with no legal basis, tell the plaintiff, look, you've got to go file a class action if you want to impact parties who aren't subject to my court.
Senator, the Department of Justice makes that argument all the time in our briefs.
I think, in many cases, class actions would be inappropriate.
So yeah, they wouldn't qualify for a class action.
The whole thing is, you know, they're playing for the other team.
They're playing for the other team here.
Now, and what we covered yesterday with the attack on Tesla.
By the way, I'm sitting down later today with Jacob Holloway.
We're going to record something.
Jacob Holloway is a Tesla owner and He's essentially, you know, driving around in a Tesla and his life is in danger.
That's where we are right now.
So, Derek Evans, writing about activist, conservative activist, Asra Nomani, has now compiled a list of 24 Democrat organizations with a budget of $124 million that are behind the Tesla takedown campaign of terrorist violence.
She scraped the protest details from Action Network and Mobilize, which are two platforms promoting the Tesla takedown protests, aligned with the Democrat Party.
And then she built a public database of the groups behind the Tesla protest.
You have this group named 5501, a mission that's protesting anti-democratic and illegal actions of the Trump administration.
The reason this is relevant is because You had Musk yesterday saying that you can't just prosecute the vandals and the violent actors at the protests.
You're going to have to go after He was urging the Trump administration to go after those who are actually funding these massive operations.
You know, people like George Soros, who is obviously suspec- he's done this in the past, obviously suspected of paying for these protests to happen.
Action Network, Action Fund Network, anyway, this is an extensive list of the people behind, who are being funded, and they're behind getting these protests You know, paying the protesters to show up to create media headlines.
Pam Bondi came out yesterday and said that they have filed charges against somebody named Cooper Frederick who firebombed a Tesla dealership in Loveland, Colorado.
Listen to this.
I've made it clear if you take part in the wave of domestic terrorism against Tesla properties, we will find you, arrest you, and put you behind bars.
Today, I'm proud to announce that the Department of Justice has unsealed federal charges against another Tesla attacker.
We've charged Cooper Frederick in the firebombing of a Tesla dealership that occurred on March 7th in Loveland, Colorado.
All of these cases are a serious threat to public safety.
Therefore, there will be no negotiating.
We are seeking 20 years in prison.
The crime was committed in Colorado, and thanks to the great investigative work by the FBI, the defendant was arrested in Plano, Texas.
Let this be a warning.
You can run, but you cannot hide.
Justice is coming.
Yeah, so...
Again, this is an individual case which obviously needs to be prosecuted, but the people who are funding it are the ones that need to be taken down.
That much is clear to me.
Now, moving on, and we're moving kind of quick here because I really want to get to this Andrew Isker-Tucker Carlson situation.
It was a fantastic podcast where they made much of Christ.
I want to talk about that here in a minute.
But before we get to that, yesterday we told you about Marine Le Pen in France.
How she has now essentially been charged.
She's been convicted and barred from office.
They're saying that they're going to put her in prison for two years.
Here's Donald Trump responding to this.
What happened to Marine Le Pen over in France?
Marine Le Pen, the far-right leader, got convicted in court and is now banned from running for office for five years.
Do you have a comment?
That's a big deal.
That's a very big deal.
I know all about it, and a lot of people thought she wasn't going to be convicted of anything, and I don't know if it means conviction, but she was banned from running for five years, and she's the leading candidate.
That sounds like this country.
That sounds very much like this country.
He's exactly right.
William Wolfe, once again, we featured a lot of his tweets today.
He says, can you imagine if Putin won the war in Ukraine and democracy died in Europe?
They might begin doing terrible authoritarian things like jailing political opponents and censoring free speech.
Here's a headline.
Marine Le Pen barred from running for French presidency in 2027.
We go over to Moldova.
Moldova to ban pro-Russian party members from running for election.
Then we have a headline out of Germany.
Germany's far-right AFD party expelled from European Parliament group.
And then another over in Romania.
Far-right front-runner blocked from Romanian presidential race.
Again, once again pointing out that these values of Europe are...
Actually, the question we always ask, who are the godless communists of today?
Who are they now?
Europe resembles the godless communists of the old Soviet Union.
More so...
I mean, it's incredible.
They literally have become...
They have the values that NATO was formed to fight against.
Christian Europe...
We're supposed to protect Christian Europe.
That's what NATO was for.
And now Europe isn't very Christian.
And lo and behold, Europe is no longer Christian, which means they've become totalitarian freaks from where I stand.
In another comparing this, people say Putin is a dictator.
Meanwhile in Europe, again France, Marie Le Pen sentenced and barred from running for elections.
Romania, elections were cancelled there.
The winning candidate was arrested and imprisoned.
Germany, preparations for similar scenario again in the AFD party.
Then you go to Slovakia, the assassination attempt against the anti-war prime minister there by the name of Robert Fico.
And Hungary, they continue to tax on Orban and pressure to exclude Hungary from European Union decisions.
And then in Estonia, 25% Unbelievable.
Elon Musk says that someone will be arrested tomorrow for stealing 400,000 social security...
You know, Musk has also said that there was a lot of deleting that went on before Doge got in.
They deleted a bunch of financial crimes.
I saw that before we came on, but I don't have that tweet.
But he says that the Doge team has uncovered it and that the people in the government who deleted these financial crimes did not understand technology well enough to really, I guess they didn't call Hillary Clinton in the bleach bit.
But here is Musk claiming that somebody's going to be arrested soon with his
Yeah, and this is like, by the way, a particular avenue of fraud for illegal immigrants and for voter fraud, because the main way that identification is established in the United States is via Social Security.
So if you compromise the Social Security system, you can basically get people to get de facto registered to vote, even if they're not citizens, and to get a bunch of benefits and to milk the system.
It's pretty insane.
Democrats basically taken every part of the government that could possibly be bent towards providing financial incentives for illegal immigrants to come together.
come to and remain in the United States, whether it's the Social Security, Disability, Medicare, unemployment, even like IRS refunds without any income, it's Yeah, you know,
all that came out after the hurricane hit East Tennessee and North Carolina.
Just incredible.
Again, the huge story yesterday was at that Wisconsin rally.
By the way, Larry Schweickart says that the Republican turnout in Wisconsin is looking good.
We'll see what happens with that Supreme Court race.
But the big news is that at that Wisconsin rally, they detailed that there was a systematic policy in place to register illegal aliens to vote.
To give them Social Security numbers, to give them maximum benefits, to give them IRS refunds with no income, and then register them to vote, and they had said that they did in fact vote.
All the conspiracy theorists, everything we've been saying for 20 years about the border situation, and the Democrats, and the Uniparty really, wanting a new permanent underclass was correct, or cheap labor.
Conspiracy theorists were right once again.
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So, Mike Huckabee The former governor of my home state here in Arkansas.
Mike Huckabee has been tapped as the ambassador to the nation state of Israel.
I think his confirmation hearing took place sometime last week and it got a few Christians attention because of what he said about Mormons.
He was asked a question from a senator from Utah about Mormons.
And the Christian Post has this headline, Huckabee Calls Mormons, Christians, Jews, People of the Book at Senate Hearing.
Now to evangelicals, this was a little bit of a double-take moment because many evangelicals believe that Mormonism is not Christian and is in fact a cult.
That's what many people believe.
I don't believe Mormons are Christians.
So, let's see here.
The exchange began when Senator John Curtis of Utah said his home state has a very special relationship with Israel.
Responding to the question from Curtis about his feelings toward the LDS, Huckabee, a former Southern Baptist minister, said, quote, And then he tied this admiration to his view of the state of Israel,
noting, quote, And then Christian Post writes,
So when I read this, I immediately thought back to our coverage of what happened at the Georgia State House last week where Pastor Jeff Durbin goes to a committee hearing in Georgia to try to pass an equal protection bill on abortion uh trying essentially saying look a life is
a life at conception at fertilization and they need to have the same equal protection that a baby does outside of the womb uh effectively you know what it would mean it would criminalize abortion because it would be murder it would because that's what it is and there was uh the only jewish uh state representative in georgia took exception and said that her religious freedom and and and and her religion of judaism teaches her that That abortion is fine and
that it's good for, obviously, she said that she has the right under her religious freedom to have an abortion, and I'm paraphrasing here, whether her life is at risk or whether mentally and psychologically she and her rabbi and doctor deem that it would not be good.
which highlights, because of course she's talking about what the Talmud teaches, which is not a piece of literature that has anything in common with biblical Christianity.
And this interaction really sent shockwaves across a lot of different mediums.
But what it did, and we talked about this at the time, it really highlighted an actual chasm.
We talk about what's right and what's wrong.
What was on display at the Georgia State House actually highlighted quite a chasm, quite a Grand Canyon-sized chasm between Biblical Christianity and modern-day Judaism.
And so we talked about that.
But specifically, there is a fact here that dispensational Zionism is baked into America's foreign policy.
We all know this.
And yesterday on Tucker Carlson's show, he interviewed Pastor Andrew Isker.
And it was a fascinating, absolutely fascinating exchange between these two men.
And they actually talked about dispensationalism for a long time.
I'm going to camp out here because we're going to listen to this and I'm going to kind of dissect it as I go.
But it was a fascinating discussion.
So here is Andrew Isker.
He's a former Minnesotan who has moved to Tennessee because of the essentially totalitarian anti-christian policies of Minnesota.
had to move his family out of Tennessee because they have policies there where they can take your kids if you don't affirm their pronouns.
But here they are as the discussion begins to talk about eschatological views, the different eschatological views that are out there about the end times, the Well, actually...
It's sort of attractive to have this eschatology where everything is coming to an end, right?
You can understand why people would eat that up.
But the people that actually built America, you know, the Puritans and all of the settlers of this country, you think of even like the founding generation, that theology didn't exist yet.
That wasn't until the middle of the 19th century that it came into being.
They were actually optimistic.
They viewed This continent as a place for Christians to build, to grow, to have a future.
What an interesting point.
I've never thought of that before.
Dispensationalism, for those who haven't followed it, is normally criticized and defended because of its interpretation of what biblical Israel is now.
So it's like, it's a super electric topic, both theologically and politically.
Absolutely. And people get utterly hysterical about it and start calling you names or whatever.
Yeah. So there's that.
But you're saying that the deeper or a deeper problem with it is that it makes people pessimistic?
Yeah. Can you flesh it out a little bit?
Yeah. So I think if I mean, if you think if you go your entire life believing that any minute That the world is going to come to an end.
Yes. That I'm going to float up into heaven and my clothes will be here and everything, we're gone.
It's done.
It's over.
Well, that takes a people that ordinarily are very low time preference, that build things for the future, that delay gratification, all of those kinds of things, and it flips it around and makes them very...
high time preference where it's like well if the world's not going to be around tomorrow why invest in anything for today and you can even see this in terms of architecture you think the buildings that churches have well they're in strip malls or they're you know They're kind of ugly.
It's garbage.
Yeah. And you look at the buildings that...
It's like a former pet store.
Yeah. And you look at the buildings that Christians had before this was the dominant theology, and they're gorgeous.
They're beautiful.
And there were very poor people that made them, like you said earlier.
I know.
And it's like that right there, like you see it tangibly.
And you think about that in terms of all of life.
That is so smart.
And what was the phrase you used?
Low time preference?
Yeah, low time preference.
What does that mean?
It's like an economic phrase, right?
So, right, your preference in terms of time.
Please respect my ignorance.
Yes, it just means that you...
You're going to wait longer for things.
It's sort of like the marshmallow test with little kids, right?
Yes, yeah.
Where in five minutes, you'll get two marshmallows, or you can eat this one right now, right?
Well, the child that says, oh, I'll wait.
I want two, right?
Well, he's going to go on and have more success and so forth, versus the one that immediately grabs the one and eats it, right?
Well, that's low time preference.
It's people that will delay gratification.
Who will save and invest and build things for the long term, for the future.
And for future generations.
Yes. They plant oak trees.
Yes. Who plants oak trees?
Yeah, so the idea, just kind of jumping in here, you know, being that if your eschatology is like, well, when this one global event happens, we're not going to be here, which is, you know, a predominant, a lot of people believe that, and I respect a lot of people that They do believe that.
It's just kind of like what they're saying.
Not investing for the future.
Not planting oak trees.
I've never actually heard the comparison with the architecture, but I think that checks out as well, looking at the past.
What they didn't camp out on, I wish they would have camped out on just a little bit more, is What the settlers of America, what their eschatology actually was, and it did not resemble the predominant evangelical eschatology today of dispensationalism.
Yeah, well, I mean, we're going to in Tennessee.
We want to bring back the American chestnut in Tennessee.
We want to bring that back.
Are you putting in evergreens, please?
I think everything, yeah.
I mean, there's pines.
They grow fast.
Please don't neglect the pine.
Oh, yeah.
I know it's a fast-growing tree, relatively speaking, but it's...
It's beautiful.
It's the answer.
And cedars, if you can, if you have water.
Yeah, I don't know if we'll be able...
I mean, there are some cedars.
Well, okay, okay.
Since you're a preacher and Old Testament scholar, what was the inside of the temple clad with?
Cedar. Yeah, from Lebanon.
Exactly. God himself said cedar.
That's right.
An accident?
He was pretty specific about it.
It smells great.
So maybe there's a reason my sauna has cedar on the outside.
That's right.
I always tell my kids that.
Just think of it like the temple.
It's my cedar church.
That's right.
No sacrifices, however.
Well, here's something that you do.
Sorry, I'm going to skip past.
Specious theological elements.
Here we go.
Sorry, we had to skip past a little built-in ad there, but I understand why they put it there.
Obviously, it does.
Interesting part of the conversation.
By the way, the whole theology was like Laid out in the end notes.
It's not actually in the Bible.
No, it's like interpretation in the version of John Nelson Darby and Cyrus Gofield and it's in and there's I mean They'll claim that their antecedents from the early church.
Well, this guy believed in in something like the rapture and it's like It's always very like a suspicious.
Yeah, I that's that's my read as a non theologian, but it does seem incredibly silly but but since you're Yeah, exactly.
People sincerely believe it, so I want to mock them.
A hundred percent.
A lot of people I really like and respect believe it, so I just want to say that.
But you're saying that the cost is even deeper because it changes your worldview and makes it very difficult for you to engage in the labor of, for example, loving people around you and building something beautiful, which are also Christian imperatives.
Is that what you're saying?
Yeah, I think so.
It forces you into an immediacy, right?
We've got to do everything right now, because there isn't going to be a future.
I mean, I heard this all the time growing up.
Well, you know, we're not going to be around.
We're going to be raptured.
So why plan for the future?
Why build things for the future?
You heard that growing up?
Oh yeah, this was...
100%. I heard that my entire life.
This was just everywhere in evangelicalism.
Did you grow up in that?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I did.
I remember in college when I was first getting into more historical theology or thinking like, what did people believe before the 19th century about things?
For the first 1800 years?
Yeah. There are various different eschatological schools.
All sorts of different views of how the end works.
But when I first get into that, I'm thinking like, oh, I don't know if I actually believe in the rapture.
I remember being in college and in campus ministry and telling people this.
Like, I don't know if I actually believe in that.
I mean, it was like...
I just uttered the greatest heresy of all.
Now, I'm going to take some liberty here, but what I think when he says he doesn't believe in the rapture, I don't believe Isker saying he doesn't believe that when Christ returns, the people here alive don't meet him in the air.
I think the modern interpretation of the rapture is that there's this, like it's like a halfway return of Christ where the church is raptured and put in heaven, and then there's a lot of other end time stuff that goes on.
That's what he's talking about.
I would imagine Imagine his interpretation of, you know, meeting Christ in the air is Christ doesn't go back.
Christ is essentially assembling a procession as he comes and descends to the earth.
people meet him in the air as Christ, very much like a victorious general would come back into a city after winning a war, after winning a great battle, after, you know, that, you know, in this case, it's been a cosmic war that's gone on since the beginning of time, and Christ returns, and people line up behind him as he comes and returns to judge.
I'm assuming that he would agree with that.
That's my interpretation, anyway.
All time.
Like, I could have said...
I probably could have said, well, you know, just denied the Trinity or something.
Right. And they would have been like, oh, that's interesting.
But saying, I don't think there's a rapture.
What are you serious?
Right. Like that is central doctrine to many Christians.
And it has this deep emotional connection.
Because, I mean, if you've been if you've grown up your entire life hearing this and it's just assumed by everybody.
Right. It's hard to break out of that, even though the everybody of the historic church of millions or billions of Christians, right, it's actually a tiny minority in the history of the church that has believed that.
But presently, it's a majority of evangelicals.
Yeah, it seems like that theology is dying.
That's just my sense.
But I'd be the last to really know.
No, I think your your instincts are correct.
I think some of it is.
I mean, some of it, too, especially in the latter half of the 20th century, right after Right, Israel is formalized as a state in 1948.
Well, that gives like big confirmation that, okay, things are happening.
Like, there's an Israel in Revelation and a temple in Revelation, so it's happening, guys.
So we've got 40 years, right?
1988, that's the end.
Well, then that doesn't happen.
And then people make all sorts of other guesses.
I wasn't even aware of that.
So the idea was 1988 is the end of the world.
Yeah, 40 years after 1948, right?
That that's when the rapture is coming.
That was a big idea.
You know, I think it was, there was a book like 88 Reasons Why Jesus is Coming Back in 1988, right?
And I'm sure it sold a lot of copies and then, of course, didn't happen.
Wow. But Mike Takakus lost.
No, I mean, that's not obvious.
I mean, I'm sure there were people, kind of jumping in here, I'm sure there were people who were, you know, convinced that The end of the world was happening back during Y2K.
Do you remember all of that and everybody getting ready?
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Fascinating discussion getting out to millions, 2.7 million views at the moment of this broadcast.
talking about different eschatological beliefs and what the church generally believed for the first 1800 years versus this very small blip on the radar where dispensationalism is the predominant American view of the end times.
Obviously the rapture, but you know, whatever, we'll take it.
For people in Massachusetts, maybe it was.
But yeah, it's just so interesting because like I look at it like you look at Matthew 24, right?
That's the big, you know, the big text that people point to.
And what does it say?
Where Jesus says, well, there, you know, there's going to be wars and rumors of wars and earthquakes in various places and plagues and things like that.
But right before it, right?
Well, Jesus is in the temple and he's fighting with the chief priests and he's telling them, you know, he's just, he's fighting with them at Passover.
Thousands of people surrounding him.
He's embarrassing them in the temple and his boldness is really shocking Yes, people haven't read it before.
Yes, the rage that he displays at the leadership.
Yeah Is just like It's nothing else.
It comes right off the page.
Which is so ironic because you see evangelicals who are like, you need to be more Christ-like, which means like wimpy and weak and inoffensive.
Sweeping into the temple and knocking over tables and driving people out with a whip?
And then going into the temple and giving this parable of the vineyard.
He's like, first I sent this servant, you beat him and stoned him, and then you killed another one.
Well, I'll send my son.
They'll respect him.
And then it's the heir, right?
If we kill him, we could take the vineyard for ourselves, right?
And yes, what's he going to do to these people?
Well, he's going to come and he's going to destroy all of them.
And it's like, and they knew, right?
The hilarious thing, I think, like reading the Gospels is, right, Jesus is giving parables.
And the point of the parables is actually to conceal what he's saying.
And people are like, whoa, what's that?
Even his own disciples are like, what?
What's that about?
I don't really know.
It doesn't make any sense.
But he's telling parables to the chief priests and the Pharisees and all the leaders of Israel, and they're like, oh, that's about us.
I think it says they understood it was about them.
They knew.
And they decided to kill him.
Yeah. So the parables are obscured everybody else.
But when it's about them, like, oh, he's talking about us.
Right. But talk about speaking truth to power.
Yeah. I don't know how that works.
Jesus was kept for me as a, you know, lifelong churchgoer.
I have no idea.
Well, may I interject that Tucker is an Episcopalian and Episcopalian part of the mainline American denominations that went woke before woke was a common phrase that we all understand.
So, theological liberalism, that took hold in the early 20th century.
These people, you know, like Episcopalians, you know, like Northern Presbyterians, where we start wanting a cultural seat at the table because the rise of science and nobody wants to affirm the miraculous in the Bible.
People tried to separate Christ from the historical Christ from the supernatural.
Of course, when you try to do that, when you separate the supernatural from the historical Jesus, you actually eliminate the historical Jesus.
And these took hold, things like not wanting to have to say, well, the virgin birth didn't really, it wasn't really a very, like, there were all these things that were taking place that took hold of our American Protestant denominations, and it was all about not really wanting to believe in Jesus.
What the Bible says, not believing in the sufficiency of Scripture, which is why this version of Jesus that you would see written was kept from him because they weren't too keen on the other biblical ideas and so I'm just speculating here, but that's how he went to church all of his life and never was taught what the Scripture says about who Jesus is, was, and what he did when he was here.
That's just my Speculation, but I think that's correct.
Yeah, but you just read it.
I would recommend everyone read it non-christians alike He's there.
He's right there and especially the gospel of Matthew.
I love it because it is mark two Yeah, all four.
I mean obviously all four of them like Matthew in particular is so cool to me because like you read it and the way it's organized is Jesus is recapitulating the entire history of Israel, right?
So right in the very beginning He, he goes out into the wilderness for 40 days and 40 nights, right?
Just like Israel's in the wilderness for 40 years, right?
Is tempted by Satan.
He comes right after, after he crosses the, or goes, is baptized in the Jordan, is like crossing the Red Sea, goes into the wilderness.
Then after that, right?
He is, he's preaching a sermon on a mountain, expounding the law.
Which is Moses on Sinai, right?
And after this, he's telling parables of the kingdom, like he's David or like he's Solomon, writing proverbs, writing psalms.
And then he begins all of these excoriations of the high priesthood and the Pharisees and all the leaders of Israel.
Well, what's that like?
It's like the prophets.
Right. So he's, he's reliving the whole history of Israel in his, his life.
What's Matthew doing there?
What's the Holy Spirit doing there?
It's showing that Jesus is Israel, right?
He's the true Israel, right?
He is the, as, as the Apostle Paul says, he's the chosen seed of Abraham, right?
He's the one that carries out Israel's mission, um, which is, you know, I'm kind of doing the weave too.
Like, like, uh, um, It's Trumpian.
It is.
People, I mean, when I'm preaching, people are like, Andrew, you're doing the weave of President Trump.
But by Trump, it's interesting.
I try not to do the hand motions and things like him, too.
But we all have our own rhetorical style.
But it's interesting because, right, like the whole dispensational thing where it's like, OK, right, the old covenant still somehow sort of exists.
And there's still this, you know, this distinction between Jew and Gentile out there.
Well, like the Holy Testament talks about this, that no, right, that separation that existed in the Old Covenant, right, they're brought together as one in Jesus, who is the true Israel, the successful Israel, the Israel that's obedient and goes to the death and is vindicated by being resurrected, right?
And that Old Covenant, it's done.
It's over.
Those distinctions between Jew and Gentile, they're gone.
It says that only about a thousand times in every book of the New Testament.
So to come to the opposite conclusion does make you sort of wonder, like, have you read it?
Yeah. Exactly.
Whether you believe it or not, that's just not what it says at all.
Yeah. And so you think about that and it's like, okay, these two are brought together.
I mean, the whole book of Acts is about this, right?
The Holy Spirit not only goes to the apostles and the Jews in Jerusalem, but the Gentiles get it, too.
Like, Peter goes to Cornelius and he believes.
And now here is this Roman, this Gentile.
And the interesting thing about that, too, is there's this misconception that the only people in the Old Testament that believed in God were Jews.
But it's like everywhere they go, there are these Gentile God-fearers that believe in God.
And Cornelius is one of them.
in the New Testament.
Well, it's all through the New Testament.
In fact, Jesus calls out repeatedly Gentiles as the most faithful.
Repeatedly. Yes.
The Roman officer.
Yes. Yes.
Again, like, I mean, he says this in the Gospels.
He's talking about the faithful or faithless and adulterous generation.
He's talking about Israel.
And he's saying in the resurrection, Sodom and Gomorrah and Tyre and Sidon, they'll rise.
Sodom, destroyed for trying to rape angels, they will rise up in judgment on this generation because if the things that I'm doing, if the Son of God appeared to them and preached to them, they would have repented.
It's an incredible podcast.
I highly recommend that you listen to the whole thing because we're almost out of time here.
They're about to get into Jonah and the sign of Jonah and how the sign of Jonah didn't just mean, uh, you know, Jonah being in the belly of the fish for three days, Christ in the ground for three days, uh, that it actually had to do with judgment, uh, prophesied in the book of Deuteronomy that Jonah would have been aware of.
So that's fascinating.
We're not going to be able to get to it.
But as I see this in data points, I just think, first of all, glory to God for this, one of the most popular show in the world.
You know, talking about the Bible, talking about really what, I mean, it's just the Bible itself, the Word of God, is inexhaustible.
And this is a great thing that's getting out there.
But I see this in data points.
You know, Tucker Carlson, his journey, you know, being a truth teller, leaving Fox News, I don't know if you remember, but last year he came out and gave an interview where he had a spiritual experience.
He described it as being attacked by a demonic entity and the evil that was on display there caused him to run to his Bible and open it up and start reading.
And ever since then, at public engagements, Tucker Carlson, you know, going on the campaign trail for Trump and everything else, he's talked about how we as human beings are being acted upon by outside forces.
And that's very much true.
Even the good forces.
And that's God in his sovereignty.
Now just look at the data points here.
That have led to somebody like Andrew Isker who's the Boniface option on X if you want to follow him at the Boniface option or at Boniface option Coming on his show and you know now I think telling something that hasn't really been told a view of Christian history That hasn't been told in a very very long time, and I'm totally here for it.
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