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Jan. 24, 2025 - Stew Peters Show

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Logos Academy Episode 31: Antelope Hill Publishing

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	Today we are joined by Paul from Antelope Hill Publishing.
	He's one of the head guys operating within the company, as you guys know in the audience, if you've been watching the show last week or two.
	We have recently partnered with Antelope Hill.
	Again, if you guys do want to get anything over on Antelope Hill, it's antelopehillpublishing.com.
	You can use code LOGOS, L-O-G-O-S. You'll save yourself 10% on your order.
	So, Paul, welcome.
	It's nice to have you on.
	It's nice to meet you and kind of start to get connected with people that are over at the company.
	Yeah, thank you so much for having me.
	I really appreciate the invite and I look forward to our sit-down here.
	Of course.
	I figured it was only natural that if I'm going to be partnering with you guys and trying to kind of get some books out there that I start to talk to some of the people who get to know them.
	I figure, why not do it live?
	And then my audience can kind of get to know you guys as well and potentially take some interest in what you guys are doing.
	Yeah.
	Like I said, it's a pleasure to be here.
	I always like to talk about the company.
	It's something everybody involved with is very proud of.
	That's great.
	Have you been involved since day one of the company?
	You could probably say day two.
	At the time, I was busy.
	I just started my first job out of school, but I was very close friends with the other partners that were getting off the ground.
	Actually, some other people very close to me, including my wife, were involved in the company from day one.
	They started doing stuff and I got really interested in it actually prior to the official launch.
	So I guess in a certain way you could say day one.
	But it was always something that I had a close connection to and got very involved in very quickly.
	Fantastic.
	So how long have you guys been around?
	When did you guys start?
	So our official launch was actually interrupted by COVID. So that'll probably date us a little bit.
	The plans were put together and the first book was ready for production.
	And then the world shut down.
	And so it was 2020. So I believe the official launch ended up being September of 2020. It was meant to be much earlier that year.
	But that's when we got off the ground.
	Going on five years.
	Nice.
	So I'm curious, what spawned the idea to start up a, I guess you could call it an alternative book publishing company?
	Because you guys obviously publish quite a few works that you're not going to get at your local Barnes and Nobles or maybe even on Amazon in some cases.
	So what kind of spawned the idea for this?
	So actually, it all comes down to our official launch book, which is actually not the first book we produced.
	We produced sort of a trial book, which was Patrick Pierce's writings.
	He was involved in the Easter Rising Irish Freedom, Irish Republican Army origins.
	That was sort of the trial run of, can we get a book?
	Actually produced and edited and physically printed.
	The thing that spawned the whole idea for the company was another book by Leon DeGrel, who was a Belgian SS officer.
	His book, Burning Souls, was never translated into English.
	It's a poetic memoir of his experiences that he sort of wrote later in life.
	Do you have a copy over there?
	Yes, I do.
	I have a copy right here.
	That was a book that one of the original partners really, really wanted to read.
	And he was looking around trying to find somebody that would translate it and realized it would be a lot of work to translate the thing.
	And you'd have to pay somebody a decent amount of money for it.
	And he was like, well, if I want to read this, then other people might want to read it.
	So why don't we see if we can find a way to print it and sell it to people?
	And another one of our partners was like, well, if this book people are interested in, maybe people will be interested in.
	And I'm sure there's lots more.
	You know, rolled from there, but it all started with the Grail's Burning Souls.
	Nice.
	That's a wonderful starting point.
	I read this book.
	It's a very interesting work.
	Very poetic kind of a book.
	It's not typically my reading style, what I would typically read.
	I typically read, you know, like very deep philosophy or really kind of dry historic texts.
	This was more...
	It felt like I'm reading a nice poem.
	I really enjoyed the book.
	Yeah, and I think there's so much interesting about the book, and one of the interesting things to me is actually the author and the origin of it.
	It's not your typical source.
	This isn't a German SS officer.
	This is someone who is from a nation that the majority of especially Western-educated people just assume was...
	Totally anti-national socialist.
	And just seeing the origin, seeing the ideas and position, experience of a man who felt so deeply about the cause, obviously not just simply being paid for his fighting from a location that, you know, from a nation that was typically associated with the opposite side of this war.
	I think it just, it's a good, Metaphor, I guess you could say, for our company.
	We're obviously based in America and we're all Americans.
	Having a different opinion than what most people are educated to understand about the history of the 20th century, especially World War II, I think it's encapsulated very well by this person from a place that most people didn't even realize had.
	Anything other than unwilling conscripts, but it was someone who joined the ranks of the SS, which was obviously not just anybody could do that.
	So I think it's a really interesting book, and it is a great launching point for the company.
	Yeah, I would certainly say so.
	I agree, because I'm very much into a lot of these...
	I guess we'll call them revisionist history or, you know, different perspective type of books.
	And that's something that I was really interested in scrolling through the website of Antelope Hill and kind of looking through.
	There's not a lot of places that you can find a good deal of these books published.
	You know, you can certainly find them in PDF format on like archive.com or some of these other sources.
	But to actually get yourself a physical copy.
	And I'm a physical copy guy because I draw on my books.
	I'm underlining, writing.
	I've got all kinds of stuff going on in my books to help me theorize on things and draw connections to other things I've read.
	So I love having a physical copy.
	It's nice to see that there's companies out there that are trying to publish more works from this area, which I see that you guys have.
	You know, something like 90 books right now?
	Are you still expanding and putting more books into your repertoire?
	Yeah, so we actually set out with the very ambitious, in my opinion, goal of publishing two books a month, two new books a month.
	And we maintained that for a few years.
	And just recently, it's gotten to the point where we, you know, we're...
	We're faced with basically having to sacrifice quality to maintain that pace, and we don't want to do that.
	So we're cutting back the production, but certainly every month or so we will be releasing new titles for the foreseeable future.
	We have a large backlog of both original works and translations and historical reprints that we believe very strongly should be accessible.
	So, yeah, there's no plan to cease production anytime soon, so there'll be new titles all the time.
	That's great.
	I'm very happy to hear.
	I actually, when I spoke with one of the other guys, I was asking him about if you guys are taking book recommendations, because I have so many books that I would love to see published or printed that just simply aren't.
	I'm partnered with another publishing company that posts some of our stuff.
	I don't know if you're familiar with...
	Are you familiar with an individual named Dave Geharry?
	The name sounds familiar, but I don't have a personal connection.
	Okay, so he's been around for a couple decades.
	He helped expose the USS Liberty back in the day.
	He interviewed quite a few of the survivors.
	He did video interviews with them.
	He's got this smaller book.
	It's hard to even really call it a company.
	It's just him running the show.
	It's Money Tree Publishing.
	They have quite a few different books on there.
	He printed up a new copy of Siege.
	I have a book of that.
	White Power by George Lincoln Rockwell.
	A lot of these books that, again, you're not going to find them at your local bookstore.
	You're not going to find them even on Amazon.
	They're very hard to find, a lot of these books.
	Especially...
	The works from George Lincoln Rockwell, they're almost impossible to find.
	So I'm happy to hear that you guys are constantly adding stuff, because I look forward to new works.
	There's already a couple things on the site that I'm very interested in reading myself, a lot of these National Socialist works.
	Yeah, yeah, no, they're my far most popular books, and obviously that's where we got our start with DeGrel.
	I just think it's so important to have these ideas accessible to people because the misinformation and the complete one-sided presentation of the history of World War II and the West is leading to a completely unrealistic and toxic Understanding of politics generally in people.
	And I think that we owe it to ourselves, anyone in this country, and of course Europe, to educate themselves about what this actually was about, what people thought, and what the National Socialists actually said.
	And maybe you don't agree with everything, but I believe pretty much anybody would be hard-pressed to...
	I think that there's no way of escaping the politically toxic and dangerous environment that we're in right now without having a better understanding of World War II and National Socialist Germany.
	It's not going to happen without that.
	I think there's a lot of different people with that idea and we want it to be You know, the ones that took it to a really professional level and made a high-quality project, something that we could be proud of, that people could rely on, quality production of the kind of information that is going to hopefully steer us in the right direction and out of the unfortunate position that much of the West has found itself.
	Yeah, I think that's a perfect assessment.
	I'm a true believer that after reading into World War II from, again, that alternative perspective myself, it became quite clear that that was kind of the catalyst for the circumstance that we're in today.
	A lot of what we're seeing is really like a direct product of...
	I would say us losing that war.
	When I say us, I mean that ideologically us, right?
	Because it really was more of an ideological war than anything else.
	Just white Europeans obviously lost that war in the long run.
	Yeah, clearly, right?
	We're the supposed winners, Britain and America, and you look at them today, they're just completely devastated countries that have done nothing but decline and decay since World War II. It's very hard to look at ourselves as winners in that respect.
	Yeah, there's actually a great example of what you're talking about.
	It's one of the...
	One of the books that we published a couple years ago is a collection of writings by John Chapman called Cultured Grugs.
	Actually, it is in that book, but it's also in the foreword to Wyndham Lewis's Hitler, which was written by John Chapman.
	That's the primary reference.
	It was a forward written by a contemporary content creator and podcaster, John Chapman, that describes Hitler as the Atlas holding up the modern world.
	And I really think that that's true.
	The relationship that people have with their governments and the powerful institutions, it's propped up entirely on Hitler and the specter of Hitlerism and National Socialism.
	And that's just...
	It's not going to come down unless we can have a realistic conversation about what this was.
	Yeah, I certainly agree.
	One thing I'm actually kind of curious about when I was scrolling through the site, I noticed you guys don't have MindConf.
	Is there a reason for that?
	Is it harder to publish?
	No, not...
	So there's places that you can get.
	I haven't actually read it myself, but it's my understanding that the Dalton translation is a good...
	Translation that is available.
	I believe you can get it off of his website.
	Now we have a friendly relationship with him.
	But the thing about that is it is accessible.
	You can get a copy of Mein Kampf.
	There's a couple different translations that are available for more or less reasonable price.
	And we wanted to publish things that were not available, that you couldn't buy.
	They were either out of print or priced unreasonably high.
	And or just not in English already.
	So that book, it's not necessarily that it's out of our wheelhouse, obviously.
	I mean, we've published Adolf Hitler's speeches, but we're not shying away from the content.
	It's just that it's already available to people.
	So, like I said, we encourage people to find a copy of that and read it and see what it says.
	It's my understanding that you're doing kind of a...
	Book club of that.
	Is that inaccurate?
	I saw some of your earlier episodes discussing the book.
	I don't know which translation you're using, but there are many different English ones.
	From my understanding, the Dalton one is the least biased, as it were.
	Yeah, I've read and discussed the book so many times at this point.
	I probably have lost count of how many times I've actually read it.
	I'm actually doing a live reading of the book with added analysis right now on my show periodically.
	I'm reading the Stalag edition, which is the one that I try to recommend to my audience.
	I don't know if you're familiar with the Stalag, but it was the one that they gave to prisoners of war.
	It was the only one that was actually authenticated, the only translation that was.
	I do like the Dalton edition.
	I don't see any problems with that.
	But I'm a big proponent.
	I like that authentic, from the source kind of a thing.
	At least as close as you can get.
	That's really what I try to go for.
	And I've noticed the Stalag edition is a little bit harder to find online.
	The company I was talking about before, they print it.
	I think Ostara might print them.
	But other than that, I really don't know anybody else that has the Stalag.
	It was just a thought.
	From experience with people I know that are printing several different works, it is the best seller for everybody.
	I always try to encourage people to get that book because it's quite a crucial read.
	It really is.
	I'm curious.
	Are there any Are there any specific ideological pathways that you guys are kind of veering towards with some of the books that you're planning on doing in the future?
	Do you plan on going deeper into national socialism?
	Are you planning on doing...
	I know there was a lot of literature on fascism as well as quite a bit of Christian nationalism type of literature.
	Is there any specific category that you guys are planning on going towards?
	I don't believe anything that would be new to anyone from our audience and that would be discordant with the existing catalog.
	There's a broad depth of opportunity with the niche that we've carved out here.
	But we're trying to give a holistic sort of a...
	Maybe a little bit stochastic picture of the types of ideas that are not generally accepted and allowed on Amazon and YouTube and the main means by which most people access their information, whether it be written or digital.
	That's largely surrounding fascism and national socialism.
	Alternative histories of Europe and world events.
	We have a children's book on Napoleon, one of the more recent releases that we've had, which is just demonstrative that he wasn't some sort of...
	Totalitarian figure that there was a lot of appreciation for him.
	He was loved by much of the French population, even well after his passing.
	So, you know, just the revisions on the ideas that strong men and charismatic leaders are these kinds of, you know, Untouchable figures, that we should know that they're all evil and somehow bewitched their people.
	There's a reason why these ideas caught hold and had broad support, because people were looking for progressive in the sense that not reactionary, but forward-thinking.
	Powerful and serious leaders that weren't just trying to devolve the countries into degenerate and socially.
	You know, it'll put together hellscapes, which was the reality for many nations throughout the later 19th century and early 20th century.
	So, I mean, that's really it.
	We're trying to uplift, you know, people that see the problems that I think you and I see in the world.
	Give them a resource as well as share that with other people that might be just simply curious and intellectually engaged in the project of understanding, which I fundamentally believe leads to, at the very least, partial agreement with much of these fascist and national socialist movements of the past.
	So, yeah, I mean, more of that.
	Basically, it's sort of radiating out around it.
	I mean, you know, we've got some interesting stuff on the history of Russia and also a lot of newer contemporary publishing.
	We've got Carrie Bolton's been publishing some of her works with us, his work with us, sorry, and Giles Corey.
	As far as the ideological line, we're looking to basically prove the liberal established order wrong.
	Anything that does that, anything that has truth in it and substance that makes people question their public school history teacher.
	Yeah, that's good.
	I'm curious, some of these more modern works that are being published through the site.
	So you guys actually work with some of these authors?
	Like, you'll talk with them and kind of get to know them?
	I think that's nice.
	That's a very important aspect to try to help kind of build a better sense of community, you know, if we can have this functioning as more of a body.
	Because I'm sure...
	When you look at these big Jewish publishing companies like Simon& Schuster, they certainly know their Jewish author buddies that they're posting their New York Times bestsellers of and putting them out there.
	And I think that's something that we need to do is work hand-in-hand with the people that are actually publishing as well as those that are writing these works and try to really...
	Have a real sense of community going in this area.
	Yeah.
	We have a long list of both nonfiction and some fiction authors that are working with us, that are publishing their original works with us.
	I'm really happy about that because I really think that's the future.
	There's a lot to be said for the history of these ideas, but if you can't see them written...
	Contemporarily, and apply them to yourself with that same kind of mind of someone that's your peer today, living through the world that we have today, not simply trying to graft Weimar, however similar it may be to the world we live in today, but actually is living the same things you live.
	I think both the nonfiction and the fiction of contemporary and original publications that we have are important.
	Very proud to say we've got many on the horizon and many in the publication already for people to check out.
	Amazing.
	So I'm very interested.
	What is it like going through this process of publishing a book?
	How difficult is it to pick up a new work?
	I'm sure we're not in the...
	We're not in the area where people are going to be suing you for copyright or anything like that.
	Oh, I would hope not, at least.
	But what's it like getting new books together and actually publishing them?
	How strenuous of a process is that to pick up on a new book?
	Well, if you're talking about, when you say a new book, like original writing that we're publishing for the first time, or are you talking about translation or historical reprints or something?
	Yeah, it could be either or.
	So, you know, say like an old book, like Mein Kampf, for example, right?
	If you wanted to start printing that, that would be like a new one that you're just printing.
	Or even a new book that has never been printed before, right?
	Like, for instance, you said with Burning Souls, where you have to get a translation or something.
	Right.
	So, there's a couple different things at play.
	The blanket rule is public domain is our friend.
	Anything that's in public domain, we can print and sell with no worry about being sued for copyright or remitting anything to an estate or a previous copyright holder.
	So that's pretty straightforward.
	In the United States, the blanket...
	Public domain is 95 years after production for written works.
	So if it's older than 95 years, that means published 1930 or earlier at this point in 2025, then it is public domain no matter what it is, no matter who wrote it, no matter whether they're still alive, unlikely, or if they still have an existing copyright.
	So that's the easy one.
	So any of our works.
	That are older than that, we had no problem, no questions about it.
	After that, then you have to look at who is the legitimate copyright holder.
	Even if it's a new translation, you still have to get permission from the legitimate copyright holder.
	Now, that can be complicated by things like if...
	The original author is dead and they have not granted any explicit permissions to the copyright or rights to the copyright in their estate.
	Or if they had no legitimate heirs, it's possible that technically the legitimate copyright holder doesn't actually even know that they are the legitimate copyright holder.
	And so sometimes that gets complicated.
	That is part of the investigation we do into works.
	Now, sometimes you have people like DeGrell who explicitly and publicly willed their copyrights to, I believe it's basically public domain, but I think he's attributed as willing it to the cause.
	Some authors will, when they die, explicitly put in their will that their writings become public domain.
	Also, there are certain instances where copyright is granted to an institution which no longer exists.
	So, for example, the rise of the NSDAP was...
	A project of the NSDAP, which is an institution in Germany which no longer exists.
	There's no legitimate heir to that institution or its copyrights.
	And so, you know, by default it goes in the public domain.
	I suppose someone might be able to make a complicated court case argument that they have somehow inherited the copyrights of the NSDAP. But no one has yet.
	And it is one of those things where it's a sort of a negative right.
	It's up to whoever is the legitimate copyright holder to prove that they are the legitimate copyright holder and take the claim against whoever is violating their right.
	So that's, I don't know, probably...
	More boring than anyone really wanted to engage with.
	But as far as new authors go, I'm happy to say it's quite easy.
	We offer them a fair compensation for their work, and we sign a contract and remit them whatever our negotiated portion of the sales is.
	So that's how that works.
	We have real contracts and everything.
	It's almost like we're a real company.
	But no, we've always strived to be professional and treat our authors and partners and anyone who works with the company with professionalism and care.
	Awesome.
	Do you guys ship worldwide?
	We do.
	However, I will say for anyone who is international that's going to take a look at considering to purchase some of our books, we do have a page on the site that...
	That's called Shop on Amazon.
	I know it is not necessarily anyone's preferred place to buy anything, but we will have to charge a much higher shipping cost to ship internationally for pretty much everybody.
	You're welcome to buy from the website, but just know that if you're looking to pick up one of the books that is available on Amazon, that you will be Paying much less in shipping.
	So that is what I would say about that.
	But otherwise, yes, the answer is we do ship direct from our warehouse internationally.
	It's just very expensive.
	Unfortunately, I think the cheapest you're going to get is like $30 for one book internationally.
	Now, of course, if you buy many of them, and if you know several people that you'd like to buy in bulk, of course, the per unit cost goes down.
	So you might consider...
	Placing large orders, if you do want to go through the website.
	There are several books that are not available, of course, on Amazon because of content and also publishing, like technical restrictions, like our colored works are not able to be printed through Amazon, colored pages.
	Yes, it's quite absurd how hard it is to find some of these works through Amazon, some that aren't even really that, you know.
	Dissident or radical, right?
	There are some works that are just very historical pieces that are simply not allowed over there.
	I'm curious, is there any hopes in the future to expand beyond, you know, say the company grows and you guys are in a really good financial spot, would there be any interest in ever expanding into actually opening something like a brick and mortar store?
	Yeah, we've had that idea and I guess kind of a dream in a certain way for a long time.
	It would be difficult.
	I suppose in a certain way we've taken a pretty strong step in what I believe is the right direction because we've always stressed and I'm happy to say that I was one of my I don't think it would be a responsible professional to rely on
	print-on-demand services when they've shown such a willingness to de-platform content that they don't like and even individuals independent of the content that they don't like and certainly I'm sure they would not be happy about.
	I know that they aren't because we've had many different partial versions of de-platforming from many different services that are not so happy about who we are and what we have to say.
	So in the sense that we do have physical distribution and we have a physical location with a warehouse, that's sort of a step on that way.
	It is a risk.
	Being public about this and being willing and able to find somebody who's going to stand behind a cash register at the Antelope Hill Bookstore, it's not going to be an easy feat.
	But one day, hopefully, when we have the foundation and the customer support to justify it, I would absolutely be happy to open up a brick-and-mortar store.
	Well, I'll tell you what, if you guys ever open up, I'll take a little part-time position as a cashier.
	I'd be more than happy.
	I appreciate that.
	It would be a fantastic thing.
	And honestly, mostly, just for the heart.
	I mean, me as a person, if I could go to a place like that and just to see that somebody was willing to do that, to put themselves out there and stand up for these ideas in that way, it would be very heartening.
	And I know if it's heartening to me, if I could imagine being heartened by it, then I know all the people that are set up to destroy us and prevent us from having the effect that we want to have on the world, then they would be very upset to see it.
	It would certainly be something that hopefully in the near future, I think it's definitely possible.
	Yeah, I think it would be a nice thing to see.
	Again, this is the problem that we have.
	Again, I live in a very rural area, and there's plenty of small, independently owned bookshops in my area.
	And everyone you go into, it's like...
	They got fag flags in the window.
	Yeah, they're all run by communists.
	Yeah, and all these racial books about black oppression.
	They're everywhere.
	It's just so hard.
	Even the little local library by me, when I was a child, I used to go to that library.
	When I was a kid, I didn't like reading, so it never really dawned on me to care much about the library.
	As an adult, after starting to read some of these things, I take a really big interest in ancient Greek, ancient Roman philosophy.
	I love reading into those stoicism and things of that sort.
	I went to this local library as an adult thinking, oh, let me see what they got over on the philosophy section.
	It's like there's nothing there.
	It's a bookshelf smaller than mine.
	You know, in the library of a philosophy section.
	And most of the books are very modern renditions of older philosophies, where they'll kind of spin it in their own way, or they're adding their own analysis to the text, you know, much of which is like this New Age thing of mindfulness, right?
	That's like a really big one.
	This is just taking ancient Greek philosophy and rewrapping it in their own different way and giving it a new modernized name.
	They're diluting that intellectual value that those things used to have.
	Everything is just so modernized.
	Just imagine if you could walk into a dissident library and it's just all of our books, all of our stuff.
	At your fingertips to just check out whenever you like.
	I think that would be something amazing to see.
	Definitely.
	Being able to take that kind of a space and take control of our own history and our own culture in that way.
	In a certain sense, the library, as it were, the collection of writings and the way that you're referring, that's the...
	The broader mind of a nation and of a people.
	Our mind has been hijacked by the people that have a completely anti-white, anti-Western attitude, and they've taken control of the brain of white people in all these institutions, libraries, academia, media.
	We have to take it back.
	Yeah, I agree.
	And this is really why they're winning, right?
	Again, the idea that every local bookstore, they all have these modern Jewish philosophy books, especially if you ever go to Barnes and Nobles and look at the bookshelf in there.
	It's just, again, the philosophy section is real small, and a lot of them are very modern books that are literally written by Jewish authors, and they're just robberies or renditions of our old philosophies, re-frameworked into their own mindset so that they can make re-frameworked into their own mindset so that they can make a buck off of something somebody much greater than themselves wrote previously.
	And the thing is, people will go and they'll buy these New Age books just because it's the only thing that's around, right?
	And I think if they had a dissident store where they could just walk in and check something out and not feel like...
	A lot of people don't even want to order one of these books online.
	They don't want to order a Mein Kampf or something like that through Amazon and then it's in their book or it's in their search history online and they're scared that the government is going to be watching them or something like that.
	I had a friend I tried to...
	Get them to purchase a copy of Mein Kampf, and they were all skitzed out about it and scared that people were going to be put on a watch list for ordering a copy of Mein Kampf.
	The paranoia of people is just so strong around these topics.
	Yeah, and I think that these two things are absolutely related.
	The fact that they've controlled these book stores.
	More generally, the outlets of media and the production of media in such a way that people, they're so universally used to seeing one side on, you know, white people are bad, Jews are victims, and the Nazis were the greatest evil that ever lived or ever walked the earth.
	That they perceive that there must be something, like such a totalizing, all-powerful force, you know, manifesting the fact that these ideas are nowhere to be found in any legitimate or accepted public forum, whether that be Barnes& Nobles or, you know, Fox News or whatever.
	And that's, you know, just simply, like, making them available.
	In public, out in the open, this is what this is.
	We're not hiding it.
	We don't have to put a different cover on it.
	Like, you know, you don't have to pretend like it's, you know, Maya Angelou's book or something like that, you know, and then you open it up and it's actually like, you know, this is what it is.
	You know, read the ideas for yourself.
	Being able to present it in that way, I think, makes a big psychological effect on people's, you know, permission to engage with the ideas.
	Because now it's not something that's so...
	It's untenable that it's not even publicly available.
	We can make it publicly available on the website, at the very least for sale for people who would like to buy it and present it in a professional way.
	To me, that was always very important.
	When you go to a website that's poorly formatted and you see covers that look like they were made in Microsoft Paint, you get the same Vibe as if you're buying this out of somebody at the back of someone's car or something like that.
	People want to see professionalism.
	That makes them feel secure.
	And that's unfortunate.
	I would love it if people were more willing to actually engage with the ideas on their face rather than being swayed by those kinds of things.
	But that's just the reality of the population.
	They're going to be...
	They're going to wait for things to be presented to them in such a way that makes them feel comfortable with engaging with them.
	And that's what it takes.
	It takes professional, high-quality publishing.
	It takes building these libraries and ways for people to access these ideas in places that make them feel comfortable enough to engage with the ideas.
	Yeah, that's a really good point you make about the social taboo of even ordering a book like this or reading into these things.
	You know, I've actually once...
	It's a hilarious thing to do if you ever get a...
	You have nothing better to do with one of your evenings.
	One day I went through, which I never use it because it's a repulsive platform at this point, but I was scrolling through Reddit and I was reading...
	Someone had made a thread about Mein Kampf, and they were doing like, I read Mein Kampf, or something about how I want to research Mein Kampf, but I'm scared to own the book in public.
	Is it acceptable for me to research?
	They're basically asking their peers for social forgiveness to read and analyze Mein Kampf.
	And the whole comment section is just people saying, oh yeah, I own a copy, but I don't bring it out in public.
	Or someone saying, oh, I found an old copy of it in my grandfather's attic and I was really scared to touch it.
	There's such a social stigma, as if the book is like...
	Hell or the devil incarnate.
	It's like the satanic bible to these people.
	That social stigma really needs to break down.
	And you're very right.
	Just being able to walk somewhere.
	If you could walk to your local library.
	And there's a copy of my unconscious casually sitting there.
	People wouldn't think twice about, oh, am I allowed to pick that book up?
	There is such a level of social pressure on these things.
	Just as an interesting example through social media, where they also hammer in the social pressure, just this morning I got a notification on my phone that I had violated Twitter's rules.
	Against violent speech.
	Because I made a comment on a post and stated, Hitler was right.
	Very ambiguous statement.
	You could take that any way you'd like.
	Was he right about his animal rights law?
	Was he right that cigarette smoking was bad?
	You know, what was he right about, right?
	I mean, it was a very ambiguous statement.
	And they flagged it for, not hate speech, violent.
	Right.
	Now, what's really interesting is when you when you think about this, do you think if I tweeted under any circumstances that Stalin was right, that I would be flagged for violent speech?
	Do you think that would ever happen to me?
	Clearly not.
	Right.
	So it just goes to show that social stigma is so freaking present and people are just terrified to actually.
	things because they don't like others looking negatively upon them or frowning down and looking looking down at them for doing something that would be considered socially unacceptable.
	Certainly.
	Yeah.
	I mean, you said it, the, you know, the, and I believe that it's, it's a combination of sort of a tactical, you know, abuse of, or of the, the, the standards of the system.
	I I'm sure somebody reported that post as violent speech.
	And, you know, some either frizzy haired Miladis or, you know, some, you know, do good or possibly just simply illiterate, you know, H1B content reviewer decided that that was met the standard or whatever past whatever bar it took to to get officially flagged. H1B content reviewer decided that that was met the standard
	You know, it's the, there's no, there's no sanity, right?
	There's no actual...
	This isn't like a...
	Honestly, in a certain way, I would almost be...
	I would have more respect for people generally and liberalism as such if...
	People's opposition to it was, this is a losing ideology, and many people died in order to keep this idea off the pages of whatever, out of the public eye.
	That would be reasonable.
	But the fact that they have to reframe it and say, oh, it's violent.
	This speech is violent.
	The words on this page are...
	It just goes to show that this is not a serious conversation with politically serious people.
	This is brainwashing writ large.
	This is an unserious attitude that's been cultivated and developed in the public consciousness.
	About our own history, our recent history, too.
	We're not talking about Rome or Greece.
	We're talking about living memory for some people.
	It's amazing how absolutely completely unrespectable it is when you look at it.
	People are driven by fear in a way that they are...
	The same way...
	The hypocrisy here is, of course, that people are actually driven by fear and sort of the totalitarian impulse in the way that they are told that national socialists governed and controlled their populations, and even communists.
	They themselves are driven that way.
	They maintain the ideological line of modern liberalism through the same level of fear and sycophantic worshipping of the liberal.
	I understand.
	I don't know if I necessarily agree, but I understand when people say that these are the types of people that enforce the stuff that would have been the most energetic, heiling Nazis.
	I understand what they mean.
	I don't necessarily agree, but you can imagine that these are the type of people that are very easily controlled by fear, a combination of fear and sycopency.
	A ruling, established order.
	And it's not through reason.
	It's not through, you know, liberation, right?
	As we're taught to understand, liberalism is the means by which the individual is given, granted, its most highest capacity to serve its ultimate end and purpose.
	And that's, of course, not true.
	People are, people are much more enslaved to, to the ideas of modern liberalism than they, in my opinion, ever were to any other ideology in all of history.
	That's actually a fantastic analysis.
	They really are on the same...
	They live in the same way that they view the National Socialist Germany lived, right?
	They believe that it was this crazy, oppressive, authoritarian state and that everybody was just...
	They were only following along because they were scared that they were going to be jailed or thrown in his camp or something.
	And we have people in the modern age that are so feeble and so pathetic that they're only following along because they're scared that they're going to have less followers on social media or that their friend near them will perceive what they're saying in a negative light.
	It's gotten very bad, but you do make a good point that there is no serious discussion here from a lot of these people, and they're not interested in it.
	Which actually brings me to another question in regards to the publishing company.
	Have you guys ever considered publishing, we'll say, more socially acceptable works to pull in a...
	Different type of audience?
	Maybe like a more lukewarm-ish type of audience?
	They maybe come and check out one or two books that they see that they like, and then they end up maybe going down the line and reading into some other things.
	Have you ever considered doing something like that?
	So, yeah.
	There's a couple different examples of things that I guess the way that we've thought about it and more or less purposefully Fulfilled, I think, the kind of thing that you're talking about is rather than maybe softer, we've tried to find specific niches and things that people have an existing strong connection to and relate some of the ideas that we think are important with content that sort of bridges the gap between those two things.
	You mentioned we have...
	Several books by Christian authors that feel very strongly about their faith, but also share similar views on politics to the general line that we're trying to promote and put forth to the world.
	Also, I would say...
	Like, history, historical things.
	I mean, there's, like I mentioned before, we have several books on Russia and some other ones on, like, historical Germany that aren't necessarily, you know, they're not anti-Semitic.
	There's not even any national...
	Like, we have a translation of Sergats von Bees.
	I'm not even going to try and pronounce the German name, so I just said...
	We've always said it in our...
	Company meeting Sir Gotsworn B, but it's...
	One of my teammates is going to ridicule me for that.
	But anyway, it was a Middle Ages knight towards the end of the Middle Ages.
	He was born in 1480. So obviously, I mean, that's the contemporary work from that time.
	It doesn't have any relevant political baggage to it, but...
	Somebody who's interested in that era of history might be drawn to some of our other ideas or other books from there.
	I think our fiction works are all very approachable.
	I have always encouraged people and have myself shared them with other people that maybe not necessarily all the way to the point where they would want to read.
	Some of the National Socialist stuff that we publish, but they're good fiction works.
	I'm a big fan of fiction.
	I think that that's how you tell the most important truths about humanity is through fiction.
	We have several different books, World Separated and Man in the Mirror, as well as Marty Phillips' Let Them Look West and Millennium.
	Those are some of my favorite books that we publish.
	Like I said, they're very approachable.
	You don't have to worry about...
	Worst case scenario, you give them to your normie conservative friend or whatever.
	They might look up the publishing company and see the other stuff.
	But there's nothing in the book itself that's going to put them off.
	I hope that answered your question.
	That's certainly something we thought about.
	Yeah, pretty well.
	It just kind of piques the mind.
	There's a lot of literature that's edging towards our sector, or at least kind of working in that direction, that the conservative media will prop up.
	A really good example, the most obvious example, I guess, would be 1984, George Orwell.
	His books are like...
	The conservatives are always pushing this idea that we're living in 1984. They were doing that a lot during COVID as well, pushing this whole, we're in Orwellian conditions and things like that.
	And they love to point to that book because...
	Well, he points to the concepts of what we're going to experience, but he never actually names the source, right?
	So obviously that's why they like a book like that, because people get to get themselves in their feels and read it up and get all scared under a blanket, but they don't actually look at the source of the problem that's actually doing something like this.
	They can just attribute it all to big bad government or the WEF, right?
	Scare themselves for a little bit before they go to bed.
	Rather than look into how to fix it.
	I'll be honest.
	I know I have many members of our team that disagree with me.
	Speaking for myself personally, I'm not as big of a fan of Warwell.
	To me, it ends up being just a picture of bad.
	For people, that's way too abstracted and it's so easy for people and has historically been absolutely just applied to without any sense of discrimination whatsoever, whatever is bad.
	Everybody from Donald Trump to Joseph Stalin to Mao to Hitler to Joe Biden, they've all been called, they've all been compared to.
	One aspect or another of 1984 and other of George Orwell's works.
	I've read it.
	I understand it.
	I just don't find it compelling.
	I'll fall much more on the side of something like Brave New World Huxley.
	He's my totalitarian dystopian author of choice from the early 20th century.
	To be quite frank, I don't really like either.
	I've read both.
	I guess Animal Farm was okay.
	It's a fun read.
	I didn't learn anything from it, but whatever.
	I guess maybe that's probably where I'm at.
	I don't read fiction at all.
	I really don't like fiction books.
	I don't like fiction reading.
	I'm very analytical.
	I really like...
	Digging deep into thought.
	Again, that's why I really like philosophy books.
	I like my brain to be challenged in all of these different directions of thought.
	Really kind of conceptualizing things and thinking up newer things.
	I'm fascinated with...
	So analyzing people and behaviors and actions and kind of why people are the way they are and how this works in this fashion, those are the things that interest me.
	And obviously history is a big piece of that as well because what's the point in learning all of those things if you're not rooted in something, right?
	You don't have like a sense of your origins or your culture or something like that.
	Then all these other things are kind of meaningless.
	I might as well go like watch.
	A Jewish episode of Criminal Minds or something if I want to get my good psychological analysis in.
	Yeah, so I do agree with you.
	It was just a thought, you know, because there are so many people that are drawn by these things because the conservative media, like you said, everybody's been compared to a 1984 type of dictator.
	They always throw these, again, the word Orwellian, they throw it around all over the place.
	I think obviously most people that are in that lukewarm kind of conservative camp that are fearful of the Orwellian conditions don't really understand what that book is pointing at on a grander scheme.
	It's an interpretable work, right?
	So you can just kind of take it any way you want and you could compare anything to it.
	And I think that's obviously why the conservative media props that work up over anything else because, again, it's not actually ever pointing you to a real source of any problem.
	Well, certainly.
	I mean, I would say that I don't entirely agree about fiction not being as valuable as more analytical content in literature.
	I think that...
	There are certain things that you can only really tell through a story that you can't write an objective account about because they're just subjective truths.
	They're things that you learn about the human experience that are not something you can study or write in a detached, disengaged fashion.
	As mentioned, you need both of those.
	You have to understand what actually happened.
	Otherwise, you end up with people that are trying to justify based on their feelings about national socialism or whatever with an actual ignorant understanding of what it is.
	You get people that, yes, genocide is good.
	That's what happens when you don't understand the facts, of course.
	You need to understand.
	Real account of what was done and also have, in my opinion, the kinds of stories that inspire the heart to have the right relationships with themselves and others.
	Yeah, certainly.
	I went through these questions a lot quicker than I thought I would.
	This went very fast.
	I don't know if you have any...
	Thoughts of your own or questions or maybe things of interest that you would like to discuss?
	I breezed through these questions.
	I'm amazed how fast that went.
	I tend to be long-winded, so I was trying to be conscious of that and not ramble too much.
	I hope I didn't cut anybody's favorite topic short.
	I really appreciate engaging with the products that we put out there.
	We've worked really hard to get this stuff off the ground.
	I'm happy to talk about anything that you're generally interested in, any of the specific books that you've liked.
	Actually, we can get off the company for a little bit.
	What's your favorite book that you've read this year?
	Why did you...
	Well, last year, maybe.
	A little bit earlier this year.
	Although I have read...
	I read one so far.
	I have a lot more to read.
	I have this problem.
	I open up seven or eight different books at a time and I'm slightly reading them all at the same time.
	It's a really big problem of mine.
	My brain just can't seem to stay in one direction.
	But I would say...
	Last year, my favorite book?
	That's a really good question.
	You know, I would have to say my favorite book last year would probably be Beyond Good and Evil by Nietzsche.
	I really enjoyed that book.
	Is it the first time you read that?
	Yeah.
	So, I think I actually read it twice last year, because I tend to do that.
	I'll read a book front to back, and then when I finish, I go back and I reread the book, and then this time I actually take notes and I kind of write myself an outline on the side, taking some of those really important pieces aside, and I keep them all in a little folder, and then that way...
	Say I ever want to bring up a point about that book, I can just kind of pull that paper out rather than the whole book and try to siphon through the pages and find the one I'm looking for.
	I really like that work.
	I've read quite a bit by Nietzsche.
	Actually, I think I did it backwards.
	Everybody says you should really start with Genealogy of Morals, and I think that's the only work of his I haven't read.
	So I've gone a little bit backwards in the process.
	But I really like his philosophies quite a bit.
	Yeah, actually, I think that was one of the first works of explicit philosophy that I read.
	And I'm forgetting exactly the order, but two very different works.
	Literally, this is how basic it was.
	There's an app called Liverbox, which, as I was mentioning to you before the show, I'm a fan of audiobooks.
	Especially in college, I was walking and biking a lot.
	It's obviously pretty difficult to read while you're doing that.
	I would have audiobooks going.
	There's a lot of public domain works on there, so I would definitely recommend anyone check that out if they're an audiobook fan.
	But I just searched philosophy on there.
	I'm like, I don't know what kind of philosophy I like.
	I don't know anything about philosophy.
	I want to listen to philosophy.
	And it was Beyond Good and Evil that came up.
	And then Dostoevsky's Notes from the Underground, for whatever reason, those were the two books that...
	Came up as the first suggestions.
	And I forget the order, but those were the first two ones that in college I decided that I wanted to be an intellectual.
	I'm like, all right, I guess smart people read books, so I want to be a smart person, so let's start reading some books.
	Actually, that reminded me of a question I was going to ask you earlier.
	I was curious.
	You mentioned that when you were a kid, you didn't really care for reading that much.
	What's your experience of when and why that changed?
	I always find that interesting.
	It's a common experience in many people, including myself.
	I probably have a very interesting experience with that.
	The first book I actually ever read front to back was Mein Kampf.
	That was about three years ago.
	I had the whole nosedive in.
	There was no...
	There was no guidance in the process.
	A lot of people will read quite a few other things first.
	That's like the all the way.
	I started with that book.
	When I was in high school, they make you read To Kill a Mockingbird.
	I would never actually read these books, The Great Gatsby.
	I would just read a summary online and then half bullshit a book report.
	Actually, a lot of times I had my girlfriends doing my book reports for me in high school.
	I was such a scumbag.
	I refused to read anything.
	I thought it was boring.
	Part of why I thought it was boring, I think, is because The things that I was reading were bullshit.
	I wasn't reading anything of value that you were actually learning something from.
	White Southerners are always wrong about everything, unless they're helping a black person.
	Yeah, exactly.
	What was the other one they push?
	Of Mice and Men, right?
	Which is just a stupid fucking tearjerker for buffoons, right?
	It's just dumb.
	It's just a stupid book.
	There's no value to the book.
	So I had started looking into the COVID pandemic, as they call it, and looking into quite a few other things.
	And then I came across...
	Mein Kampf as something that I should read.
	And I thought, okay, let me give it a shot.
	Just out of curiosity.
	Because when I was young, I remember as a kid, I would watch, back when they were still allowed on YouTube, I would watch Hitler edits on YouTube and documentaries and stuff.
	And I always thought it was fascinating.
	So I thought, let me give the book a shot.
	I'll tell you, dude.
	After reading chapter two and...
	Drawing the parallels to what we're experiencing in society today, it became extremely clear to me that that was a very important book.
	And I just went all the way through the book.
	And again, this was probably three years ago.
	And now I'm buying books every other week.
	I'm constantly getting new books and expanding my knowledge on things.
	So it really sparked something in me.
	It gave me a deep interest in looking back into other past civilizations and their philosophies and what they had to lay out and just kind of look more into my ancestors, you know, and what these people were thinking and doing in their time period.
	I thought it was a really fantastic thing.
	In chapter one of Mein Kampf, it always sticks with me.
	It'll forever stick with me where Hitler talks about why we study history.
	He says, you know, history is not to just...
	You know, learn a couple names and dates when somebody came to power, but to actually analyze, like, the events that were happening at the time that caused these things to happen.
	And that's very much stuck with me, and that's one of the reasons that I really like to read a lot.
	I think that was a very valuable line, because, you know, you go to high school, and it's like, you learn about a war, and you learn, like, it started on this date, ended on this date, you know.
	It was about T-Tax, and that's about it.
	They don't give you the nitty-gritty about those things.
	I really like reading into that a little more.
	History is a story.
	It's not a collection of names and dates.
	There's a plot to it.
	If you don't understand that, then you don't understand history.
	I'm curious for the audience, what are...
	Your three favorite books that are printed on Antelope Hill.
	So, first one's easy.
	I very much have a love for Let Them Look West.
	It's a fiction book.
	Marty Phillips.
	It's one of the earlier books that we published.
	I believe it was one of our first fiction books, if not the first fiction book.
	It might have actually been the first fiction book that we published.
	That one, I just...
	It's a really good story.
	It's very well written.
	I find it interesting.
	It's kind of a slightly controversial, just, you know, I won't spoil the ending, but it's not exactly what you would imagine from sort of a straightforward, feel-good, our guy position, as it were.
	Second book would be You Gentiles, not because I... I really like the content, although I find it very satisfying in a certain way.
	That's a book that's sort of had an infamy in our circles for a long time.
	We actually got Kevin MacDonald to write a foreword for that for us.
	I think it's one of the most important books that we publish without question because it's kind of for, I suppose, I've gotten this question from a number of different people, and one could imagine the feel-good, do-gooding...
	Concerned, liberal, possibly boomer in your life that's not immediately rejecting everything you believe, but they might be inclined to say, well, have you considered the other side?
	Have you considered opinions from people who don't agree with you?
	And this is, in my mind, this is one of the best examples of tossing that whole concept back in the face of someone who's talking like that.
	Obviously, the assumption there is that you're reading something that's one-sided, right?
	And buried in that assumption is that the average mainstream is somehow neutral, which is obviously not true, as we understand.
	There's a very strong and historically, in my opinion, extreme conception of individualism and this sort of alienating, this philosophy of Of alienation from all of the content that makes an individual actually substantial.
	Of course, the race, faith, and ideas, and everything down to gender, as it were, sex.
	These are the things that make us...
	Who we are, and they want to strip us of them and get down to whatever the kernel of individual truth is, which is, of course, when it comes down to it, it's a consumer of mass-produced products.
	But New Gentiles is, of course, it's written by a Jew, Maurice Samuel, who is not just any Jew.
	He is a renowned author, received many awards for literature in the United States and Israel.
	He is an Israeli-American.
	Actually, I shouldn't say that.
	He's an English speaker.
	I forget if he was American or British, but the point stands.
	And the book is written in the 1920s, so before World War II. So he's not writing out of resentment for Hitler's Germany or anything like that.
	He's writing before Hitler even was a known name in anywhere at all.
	He's writing a story, or not a story, he's writing a description, an account of his perception that he's claiming to speak broadly for Jewish people too.
	He's not just saying, this is my opinion.
	He is taking the position that he is speaking for Jewish people and stating that they cannot coexist with Gentiles and that one must basically eradicate the other.
	And it's his...
	Firm thesis here that there is no compatibility, there is no version of assimilation or coexistence that he can believe is possible.
	It goes so much farther beyond just that simple thesis.
	He goes into the differences in the psychologies and the social attitudes of these two peoples in a way that I actually find In some ways better than many National Socialists or others, Gentiles, that are writing in criticism of Jews.
	He's doing it in such a sort of visceral way that is compelling in its own way and I think contains a lot of relevant information for people to understand.
	And I think he is more or less accurate that he is speaking for, at the very least, a subconscious in the Jewish populations of the West.
	About their feeling towards their Gentile hosts.
	And I think that's got to be a must-have, in my opinion.
	I think everybody should read that book to understand these things.
	And then...
	I'll say Lord Miles in Afghanistan.
	That'll be my last pick.
	That's an account of a friend of the company, Lord Miles Rutledge, who was in Kabul for the fall of the Western propped-up government of Afghanistan and the takeover of the Taliban.
	And it's his first-hand account in his very unique style, if anyone's familiar with him as a...
	As a personality, he's got a unique personality that comes through in the book, and it's a fun read, and it's just a crazy, fun adventure story.
	And it's all real.
	I mean, he lived that.
	He was there.
	I believe every word he's written in this book is true.
	So I would say that'll be my third.
	It's an interesting list.
	I have read You Gentiles.
	It's the only one that I have read on that list, which I think is a really good book for someone that is not familiar with the Jewish problem or looking into some of these concepts.
	It really helps you to understand the Jewish psyche and kind of the way these people see us.
	It creates that real true sense of other.
	That I think doesn't really exist amongst our people anymore.
	They have this conception that Jews are just white people with a different religion, right?
	So I think this book kind of creates more of that really, really hard display of they are another.
	Actually, I forced my wife to read it, too.
	It's hard to get her to read a book.
	I forced her to read You Gentiles and she was pissed off by the end of reading it.
	She was like, that's such a waste of my time.
	She's like, this guy's a scumbag.
	I think it's a good book, a really good starter book for people that are trying to learn about the Jewish question or Jewish problem, as I call it.
	I think it's a perfect kind of foundational book for that.
	And the best part about it, or one of the best parts about it, aside from the content itself, is you're not taking the word of someone who has an axe to grind.
	Obviously, this is someone who has an axe to grind, but you're just being asked to believe that what he's saying is true about himself.
	He's not accusing somebody else of something.
	He's stating exactly what he believes to be true about himself and other powerful.
	Jews and ethnically driven, self-interested Jews.
	And it's, I don't, you know, what better source than the horse's mouth, right?
	You know, there's something that's sort of undeniable about that.
	And I think I agree with you.
	It makes it a good, it's a good place to start because, you know, you don't have to trust somebody else's characterization.
	You can hear it right from one of them that's talking about themselves.
	Yeah, well, it takes it out of that psychological framework of anti-Semitism, which is, again, the biggest social pressure in this category, and it's why people don't look into these things very often.
	They're too scared to be associated with hatefulness.
	And if you read it straight from the source of the people themselves, it's impossible.
	I guess they could call them a self-hating Jew, which they do that too.
	I don't think they call him a self-hating Jew.
	He seems to love the Jews quite a lot.
	Yeah, it's true.
	I guess maybe you couldn't even call him one.
	But I guess the point is it takes it out of that framework of being anti-Semitic, right?
	Basically, I could write those exact same things that he has to say about his people.
	I could write that about his people, but then when people would read it...
	For me, they would say, oh, that guy's an anti-Semite.
	So it disqualifies what I'm saying, right?
	It loses its value.
	And I think that's why that book is so important in that sense.
	There is no disqualifier there.
	You're getting it straight from the source.
	Yeah, it's an interesting book.
	Again, it's not...
	Definitely wouldn't call it one of my favorite reads, but I certainly thought it was interesting to analyze.
	And that was in the beginning for me.
	When I was first starting to learn about the Jewish problem, it was probably one of the first ten books I read, actually.
	Yeah, it was actually, I think that one, I got that.
	I was only a couple pages into Culture of Critique, and that itself was one of the first ones I got.
	And then I heard somebody mention you, Gentiles, and I was like, that sounds interesting.
	I want to know what they say about themselves.
	And I read it.
	I was like, oh, wow.
	I think we have a similar experience here.
	That sort of sets the tone.
	And then you can confirm what everybody else, what all these Gentile commentators are saying.
	Like, nope, what they are saying about what these people believe and their relationship with others and their relationship with Gentiles is, at the very least, has corroboration from the other side, if not verification.
	Yeah.
	Another recommendation, I guess, I'll give you if you're not familiar.
	You might be familiar.
	Probably not, though.
	There's not many people I ever see talk about it.
	Are you familiar with the book Now and Forever by Samuel Roth?
	I've heard of it.
	I have not read it.
	If you're not familiar, Samuel Roth was the Jew that got porn legalized in the United States of America.
	He wrote this work called Now and Forever, where it's a It's essentially a discussion between him and Israel Zangwill.
	Israel Zangwill was the melting pot Jew, right?
	And in this book, they play good Jew, bad Jew.
	And Israel Zangwill is saying that all of the power that the Jews collected after World War II is owed to them because they were persecuted for so long and the Gentiles deserve to suffer.
	And then...
	Samuel Roth plays good Jew, and he says, well, look, I'm appreciative that we have the power, but I don't think they should have to suffer in the process of us getting it.
	They kind of go back and forth on this, and it's very interesting work.
	I mean, they invoke Baal as their god in this book.
	They talk about...
	How they are more powerful than they've ever been in history and how they have World War II to thank for that.
	I mean, the amount of stuff that they go into in that book is just mind-boggling, how open they are about how they feel about us.
	And they actually, in the beginning, they call us Gentiles in the dialogue.
	At about the third of the way through, they actually stop using the word Gentiles and just start saying our enemies.
	So they're up front saying that they view us as eternal enemies.
	That is also a really good formative work for somebody who's just trying to start to learn about the Jewish problem.
	It can really open your mind to how these people really are and how they act.
	Definitely.
	It sounds like it fits right in.
	I would say the other two are fun.
	Lord Miles is...
	Is definitely a very fun one.
	It's not super serious.
	I wouldn't necessarily expect anyone to gain all that much out of it other than maybe a renewed sense of adventure.
	But Let Them Look West, I stand by it as a very good work of original literature.
	It is, in my opinion, it warrants the title art.
	I think it's very good.
	Good writing.
	Good fictional writing.
	Good.
	I appreciate the recommendations.
	And, you know, again, for anybody in the audience, if you guys are interested in any of the books that he described or any of the other various books that are up on the website, it's antelopehillpublishing.com.
	And I have a newly founded coupon code on the site you guys can use.
	It's Logos, L-O-G-O-S. You'll save 10% on your order.
	Like we said, they have plenty of books, and as Paul said, they've got plenty more coming out in the future, so make sure you guys check it out.
	Get yourself something.
	Get your family member something.
	Maybe you've got a conservative boomer normie that is hanging around the house.
	Get them a fiction book.
	Get them something they can read into to entertain them a little bit.
	I forgot there was an answer to your earlier question about introductory works that I meant to add here.
	I've forgotten about.
	We have a book written by a January 6th prisoner who is, I believe we confirmed, is released now.
	Who in prison, basically like a more or less normie conservative going in, but in prison, you know, got red-pilled and came over to, you know, share many of the beliefs that we have.
	And so he's writing from the perspective of someone who was let down by his government.
	And that might be very interesting to someone who has a very strong feeling about that.
	I know a couple people in my life who have, you know, more or less, That's one of the things that they care a lot about, you know, J6 and, you know, maybe not understand most of the things that we believe, but that might be a good introduction for them.
	I forgot to mention that, so it might be of interest to some people who, you know, as now they are pardoned, so one would imagine this might be a renewed permission for the average everyday person who may have been either Discouraged from associating themselves with the J6 incident that now maybe they're going to take a second look because it's something that the now president of the United States has felt is
	possible to address in this manner.
	It's called The American Regime, an anonymous January 6th prisoner wrote that.
	Okay, yeah, that sounds like a very good book for Quite a few people, actually, I'm familiar with that are, again, they're interested in that topic, but anything beyond that, you know, beyond the right and left paradigm of politics, these people have a very hard time looking into.
	So, yeah, it's definitely good for that piece.
	Well, with that said, I think maybe we can close up a little early.
	It's 5.30, about an hour and a half.
	I think that's maybe a good stopping point.
	Again, I... I don't believe so.
	I mean, you know, you've already sent out the...
	We very much encourage and appreciate people supporting the company through direct purchases on the site.
	You can follow our social media.
	Our Twitter is at Antelope Hill, just Antelope Hill.
	We have the Telegram page as well that you can find on the website.
	I forget exactly what the handle is.
	I don't know if it's off the top of my head.
	If you follow those two, you'll be the first to know about any new releases that we have, of course.
	So if you're interested in keeping abreast, that would be probably one of the better ways to do it.
	But otherwise, yeah, take a look through the catalog.
	As you mentioned, we have a...
	Pretty well-developed and substantial offering of books that we've worked hard to bring to the public and probably a lot of titles that you haven't heard of before, things of a wide variety of different angles and perspectives and historical.
	You know, backgrounds and niches.
	And so something for everyone, certainly.
	So I think if any members of your audience haven't checked it out, you know, I think it would be worth it while.
	Okay, great.
	Yeah, and I'll definitely be ordering quite a few books from the website and get my hands on a couple and reviewing them for my audience as well.
	Definitely plan on doing that in the future.
	So thank you.
	Thank you, Paul, for coming on.
	This has been a pleasure.
	I really do appreciate you having this little discussion and I hope we can bring some new people to get some books for you guys.
	Yeah, I appreciate that.
	I really appreciate your audience for engaging with us and appreciate you for hosting me and look forward to coming on again and maybe getting some of our authors or other team members to talk about their own experiences and their specific interests.
	So look forward to it.
	Until next time, thank you so much for having me.
	All right.
	Thank you, Paul.
	I greatly appreciate it.
	And you can feel free to, I mean, you can hang out, you can log off, whatever you want to do.
	I'm just going to outro with my audience here.
	I got quite a few other things to cover.
	So I'm going to stay live for another 10 minutes or so.
	But thank you, Paul.
	I do appreciate you coming on.
	And I'm sure we'll be in talks in the near future for sure.
	Have a good night.
	Thank you, brother.
	You as well.
	Okay.
	Alright, folks.
	That was Paul from Antelope Hill Publishing.
	I hope you guys enjoyed that.
	It was a little bit of a shorter discussion.
	That's on my end.
	I certainly didn't take down as much as I wanted to on my questionnaire here, so I do apologize.
	Yeah, Hugh, no one's disagreeing.
	Marie Samuel is a piece of human garbage.
	We're just saying that it's a good way for you to kind of pick up on how these people think about us.
	We got a red pill they see with a $20 super chat over on FTJ. Thank you very much, sir.
	I greatly appreciate that.
	I think that's the only one we got today so far.
	Unless I missed something.
	Oh, I did.
	Rebel Science with a $15 super chat on Entropy.
	He says, great show and great guest.
	Thank you, Rebel Science, very much.
	Really appreciate it.
	I do apologize.
	I see we got a lot of questions in the chat room while we were doing the interview.
	Just remember, guys, if I have a guest on, it's really hard for me to interact with the guest and the chat room at the same time.
	It feels rude to the guest if I'm constantly reading stuff out of the chat.
	So I did see a couple personal questions that stood out.
	I'll try to address if I can find each one.
	I know someone asked when I'll be picking back up on the MindConf readings.
	I was supposed to do that this week.
	However, my sleep schedule is terrible and that's really the main reason that I haven't done it.
	I've been waking up at like 7pm and going to bed at like God knows when.
	If you guys can't tell, I'm exhausted right now.
	I'm very tired.
	I'm essentially going to be fixing my sleep schedule after this show now.
	I'll be going to bed probably right after this.
	I think I'm going to sleep for like 10 hours or something.
	I'm very tired.
	So I have not done any more of the MindConf reading this week.
	I hope I will pick up on Monday next week.
	We got quite a few other interesting shows coming up next week as well.
	No, no, no, Aria, no problem at all.
	I did see your questions as well.
	Yes, I mean, I've watched some videos from Asha Logos.
	I certainly haven't watched a large itinerary or anything like that.
	I just don't consume a lot of content.
	I don't find the time for it.
	As Pavlov had mentioned in the chat, I'm much more of a reading researcher rather than someone who listens to videos or watches videos, something like that.
	To me, it's not mentally stimulating enough.
	This coming week, again, we're going to do a couple of these MindConf reading shows.
	On Tuesday, we're having that...
	Ladies Roundtable that we were supposed to have last Thursday that got postponed due to technological problems.
	So this coming Tuesday, we're going to have Lana from Red Ice, Monica Schaefer, and Michelle Renouf, and we're going to be doing a stream in memorial of Ursula Haverbeck and her struggle against this system.
	On Wednesday, if you guys are avid Twitter users, I will be having Ian Malcolm on.
	For an interview, which I am shocked that I didn't do that prior.
	I chat with Ian all the time.
	I don't know why it never crossed my mind to invite him.
	It finally did cross my mind, and I invited him on.
	He's going to be coming on this coming Wednesday at 4 p.m.
	Eastern.
	I really recommend that you guys catch that show.
	I think we're going to have a great discussion.
	See the one-on-one dialogue that I have with Ian.
	Those conversations are fantastic.
	I think you guys will really like that show a lot.
	I've had a lot of phone calls with him and we can just go for hours.
	It's ridiculous.
	I think you guys will enjoy that conversation for sure.
	That's about it for things that I already have scheduled out.
	We'll definitely be getting a...
	Some other things going as well.
	Chain reaction, let me take a note down and I'll do that.
	I have to remember how to do it because I don't remember.
	Again, I'm so tired right now.
	It's insane.
	Actually, Chain, on that note, do you have a telegram?
	If you do, could you reach out to me?
	My telegram is Logos Revealed.
	If you just want to reach out, send me a message, just say hi, Chain Reaction.
	I have a couple things I actually want to ask you.
	With that said, folks, I think we're going to close out for tonight.
	Thank you, folks, for watching.
	I really do appreciate it.
	I do apologize for my kind of lower level of enthusiasm today.
	Again, I'm a little bit sleepy.
	Chain Reaction, I've tried that, and it doesn't seem to work, unfortunately.
	There's another way that you have to do it where you go into a moderator tab and stuff.
	That's the only way it worked for me before, at least.
	I'll figure it out.
	We'll look into it.
	Thank you guys again for watching.
	Thank you for the two people that did Super Chats tonight.
	I appreciate that.
	Don't forget, folks, you can always Super Chat.
	They are greatly appreciated.
	All the Super Chats go right back into the show.
	You guys can Super Chat on...
	Odyssey, Rumble, Entropy, whole nine yards.
	Anything that's down in the description below in the bio stream.
	You can do it online, offline, however you would like.
	There's quite a few people that actually don't catch the shows live and listen to rebroadcasts, so you people are still welcome to support as well offline.
	I will see all of them.
	I always try to thank them as I get them.
	Obviously, if it's offline, it's harder to do that, but I'll do my best.
	No Telegram, Twitter, Gab, or Post.
	If you have an email chain reaction, could you email me?
	My email is logosrevealed88 at gmail.com.
	Maybe that'll suffice.
	I don't know how else you can contact me privately from the things that I have.
	But I'm sure you could find yourself a way.
	Arius says, how do you super chat from a phone?
	I couldn't tell you.
	I'm boomer tech big time.
	So I definitely can't tell you that one.
	Although I do appreciate it.
	When we do pick up on Mein Kampf next week, we're going to be reading Chapter 2 of Mein Kampf.
	We finished Chapter 1 of the first show.
	For those that did not catch that, please watch the rebroadcast and catch that so you guys are following along with the whole thing.
	I also highly recommend that you guys get yourself a physical copy of Mein Kampf.
	The Stalag Edition is the one we're reading.
	I recommend you guys get yourself a physical copy and read along with me.
	Take some notes as you do it.
	Underline some things that you find insightful in the book.
	It's a really good way to kind of...
	Again, I don't want you to just hear this book.
	I don't want you to just read or hear this book.
	I want you to actually study it.
	I don't believe this is a book that you should just listen to an audiobook while you're out on a bike ride or something like that.
	I really think this is a book that's to be studied.
	Hence why when I'm doing this reading, I'm adding my analysis in with it to try to draw parallels to the modern age to try to kind of give you a bigger scope as to what the circumstances or why it is the way it is that things are being said or done.
	At least I'm trying, you know, to the best of my extent.
	Excuse me.
	With that said, I think we're going to close out, folks.
	Thank you again for watching.
	Thank you for the support.
	And I'll see you guys hopefully on Monday at 4 p.m.
	Eastern, provided my schedule is appropriate.
	And I think I'll be doing a Twitter space on Monday afterwards at 7pm Eastern again.
	I did one this week on National Socialism.
	People really enjoyed that space.
	I'm actually going to be uploading it to my channels in rebroadcast format very soon.
	I think I'm going to be doing this space weekly at 7pm Eastern on Mondays.
	So if you guys want to learn more about National Socialism, if you have questions that you want to ask directly or you want to have a dialogue about it, hop on into the space.
	We do it on the JQ. JQRadio on Twitter at 7 p.m.
	Eastern.
	All right.
	Thank you guys again, and I think we're going to close it out here.
	Have a wonderful night.
	Enjoy your weekend, and I'll see you guys hopefully on Monday.
	If not, I'll definitely see you on Tuesday.
	All right.
	Thanks again, folks.

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