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Oct. 9, 2024 - Stew Peters Show
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Millstone Report w Paul Harrell: FBI Entrapment EXPOSED, Kidnap & Kill Documentary To Reveal TRUTH
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Thank you.
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We cannot do the program without you watching every single day.
So, I'm going to start at the top here.
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Hours before Hurricane Milton is expected to throttle Central Florida.
All this week, I have been urging this audience to pray for the people in Florida and pray against this hurricane.
And so consider this another reminder.
Please continue to pray for the people of Florida.
And if you feel so inclined, also pray that the plans of evil men would fail.
Psalm 35.8 says, Let destruction come upon him when he does not know it.
it and let the net that he hid ensnare him let him fall into it to his destruction end quote and speaking of evil men and their plots we've talked a lot on this show about january 6th and the mountain of evidence Mountain of evidence.
That the intel oligarchs who framed Donald Trump for treason are the same subversives who created a false flag on January 6th in an attempt to destroy populism and promote the false narrative that American patriots are domestic terrorists.
You know the narrative I speak of that puts white men who celebrate the 4th of July and like to barbecue on terror watch lists.
Trust me, at this point, simply celebrating the American revolts against the British, shooting some fireworks, and displaying your own self-reliance by cooking some meat over an open fire or smoking a brisket for 12 hours is all the criteria the FBI needs to suspect that you are America's biggest domestic terror threat.
But like so many of the left's arguments and accusations, the truth is that they are engaging in projection.
They are projecting on average rural Americans the very thing they themselves are guilty of.
So when the FBI says patriots are potential terrorists, that would mean the real terrorists may be the FBI themselves and the army of false flag provocateurs at their disposal.
One of the stories we have not covered is the story of the false flag kidnapping of Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer.
You probably remember this story.
In total the government charged 14 men with planning a domestic terror plot against the Michigan governor.
Some of the men pled guilty.
Some of the men were convicted, and five men, by my count at least, Michael and William Knoll, Eric Molitor, Daniel Harris, and Brandon Caserta, were acquitted and found not guilty, yet they were charged, kept behind bars.
Throughout the duration of this story, it has never passed the smell test.
In fact, Reason Magazine reported on the apparent entrapment But the government's case against these 14 alleged extremists relies on work done by at least a dozen government informants and undercover FBI agents whose extensive involvement in the plot calls into question whether it would have moved forward at all without the government's prodding.
This sounds very familiar.
Thankfully, independent journalist, producer and director Christina Erso has taken notice and is currently crowdfunding a documentary titled Kidnap and Kill an FBI Terror Plot.
A couple of weeks ago, she released the film's second trailer.
Watch.
And we go now to new developments in the plot to kidnap and kill Governor Gretchen Whitmer.
Thirteen suspects arrested, including seven alleged members of a right-wing militia group.
Who are preparing to kidnap and possibly kill me.
The defense claims the FBI, through undercover agents and informants, were behind the plan and that Fox and Croft were duped into going along with it.
What the FBI did is unconscionable.
It's almost like they had their evidence, had their facts, and created the crime.
Let's get a plan together to attack our governors all at the same time.
We can cloud the water.
We can send everybody into disarray and chaos.
He's the perfect chameleon.
He knew exactly what to say, how to say it.
Dan Chappell was the driving force of it all.
He was there to lead.
He was there to orchestrate.
I think he viewed us as an opportunity.
Everything here is a lie or a manipulation.
It's almost impossible to fathom how brazen, how bold, and how dangerous these individuals were.
Thank you to the fearless FBI agents.
Inside the takedown of the FBI agent who led one of the nation's biggest domestic terror investigations.
If you can think of a synonym for patriots, think of terrorists.
You're seeing the exact same methodology being used without difference.
Everything about this case was a terrorism attack, I agree, by the FBI. Unlimited power, unlimited money.
My biggest fear is being, you know, called a terrorist from the nation that I love.
Your entire life could be taken away from you for something you didn't do.
What they've done is destroying lies.
And I will not stop until he's free or I die.
A saying we have in my office is don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.
Joining us now, we have the director and independent journalist Christina Erso is with us.
Christina, welcome to the Millstone Report.
Thank you so much for being with us.
Thank you for having me.
That trailer is one of the best trailers of a documentary I've ever seen.
It already lays bare what we already know.
We have a government that actually has been weaponized against the people to support phony narratives.
Yeah, I didn't want to pull any punches.
And it's the truth, I mean, is well documented at this point with this case.
It kind of speaks for itself.
I mean, you hear the FBI agent in his own words at the end of the trailer, Special Agent Henrik Impola, literally saying in the context of this conversation is an interrogation of the FBI's own pedo informant.
He says, a saying we have in my office is don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.
And so our documentary is unfortunately letting the facts get in the way of the FBI's manufactured narrative, their good story.
How did you first become aware of this?
And when did you know, hey, I've got to do something about this, I've got to expose this?
Well, when they were first arrested in October, we're actually basically four years to the day.
It was October 7th of 2020.
When they announced the arrest and the way that they did it, I knew immediately that whatever the media was telling us wasn't going to be the truth.
And at that time, I had I'd been investigating FBI Corruption, if you will, their history of manufacturing these things.
I've been researching PATCON. So things like Ruby Ridge, Waco, Oklahoma City, but other things as well involving the FBI, their use of informants to manufacture fake terror cases.
So as the case progressed, I reported on the trial and all of that.
And then after the first trial, which ended in zero convictions for the government, we're Brandon and Daniel were acquitted and there was a mistrial on Adam and Barry.
I reached out to Brandon Caserta just to interview him because he just spent 18 months in prison.
He beat the government where they have a 99% conviction rate, which is in entrapment cases.
So I thought that was amazing.
And he got out on his birthday, which is even more amazing.
I thought, wow, I got to speak to this guy.
And just interviewing him, I realized as somebody who reported on the case every single day, There was so much about it even I didn't know.
I was like, you know, I think we need to make this a documentary so that the world can know the truth.
I think I'm going to go ahead and put up real quick, this is the website.
Before we go any further, we're going to do this a few times throughout the interview.
The website is kandkfilm.com.
You see it there on the graphic, but this is the website.
And then if you want to help fund the documentary, you click on Help Fund the Film right there.
And we'll make sure we put a link to this in the description of the video for people who are watching.
As well as the podcast, or the audio-only version.
So, you had to do something about it.
Now, this is incredible to me because I've heard some of your other interviews.
And it's important to realize that this was not just something that was supposed to be localized to just only Michigan, correct?
There was, and maybe I'm getting ahead of myself, and maybe you want to back up and start closer to the beginning.
But, I mean, they wanted there to be, the story was supposed to be a coordinated attack against multiple governors, not just Gretchen Whitmer, correct? - Yes, that's correct.
And that's why we put that, you know, front and center in the trailer.
I wanted to remind people that this is bigger than Michigan.
You know, we talk about the Fed napping and everybody thinks it was just Whitmer and she makes it sound like it was just her.
That wasn't true at all.
The FBI wanted this to be a multi-state plot with simultaneous attacks.
So just imagine that, right?
Right.
Like in the lead up to the 2020 election, that there are ostensibly these militia groups that are storming capitals all at the same time, or they're attacking the homes of governors all at the same time to presumably kidnap and kill them or put them on, have a show or they're attacking the homes of governors all at the same Like the story was pretty crazy.
And the government themselves argued that these men wanted to actually ignite a civil war, that by doing this multi-state attack, this was going to somehow kick off a boogaloo and that these men wanted to overthrow the government.
That's the narrative.
And what's interesting, I'm trying to forget 2020, four years later, but you had all the lockdowns and you also had people organizing resistances, not necessarily the way the government was framing it, but people were not complying.
People were saying, hey, we have freedom.
You don't have the right to shut down my business.
You don't have the right to force us to wear masks.
You don't have the right to force us to take the vaccine.
And so this would have been a perfect false flag nationally to basically solidify the control that they were enacting on the people.
Essentially another PSYOP that gets us to essentially relinquish our freedom because they know that the vast majority of American people are turned off by violence or the accusations of violence.
Yes, exactly.
I think that was the goal.
I think the goal also was to try to influence the 2020 election.
I think it was to try to revitalize Whitmer's reputation, which at that point was very bad because, you know, as you remember, I'm sure your audience remembers, she had put COVID patients in nursing homes and I was responsible for the deaths of thousands of people.
And her lockdowns were the harshest in the country.
The Michigan Supreme Court later deemed them unconstitutional.
That was the main complaints that these men had.
And I want people to understand also they were targeted For political activism, right?
Because they were outspoken, not just online, but they organized in person, right?
They wanted to have meetings where they could discuss what was happening in the country and the FBI took advantage of that and used the opportunity to actually manufacture fake militia groups to infiltrate what was a prepping group and Facebook page and turn it into a militia group and then use that to try to recruit more people into it and get this absurd Hoax off the ground.
They, from the beginning, ran this case as a TEI. That's a Terrorism Enterprise Investigation.
So, from the beginning, they had in mind what they, the FBI, wanted this case to be.
Five months into the investigation, one of their lead informants is saying, these guys aren't really doing anything.
They don't really have a plan.
I'm wanting to know, are you wasting my time, in a sense.
That's the informant expressing his doubts to one of the handling agents.
And they themselves admit that there wasn't a quote plot until about August or September of 2020.
There was never a plot though.
I want that to be clear.
No plot ever materialized.
No crime was ever committed.
What the government did here was orchestrate and manufacture a series of events while they were surveilling and monitoring and You know, influencing people for almost a year for like six or seven months.
So if you're following somebody around, yeah, you're going to have opportunities to catch them saying, you know, things that are offensive or, you know, when the FBI is Putting on field training exercises, and they're inviting people from multiple states to come together to train, and they set up an obstacle course and essentially have the guys run through it while they're filming.
Yeah, you can get a lot of stuff that looks bad, but if we're talking about an actual plan, right, where you have conspirators that are engaged in a criminal enterprise to really kidnap a governor, There would be overt acts taken in furtherance of this, like the large purchases of ammunition, large purchases of firearms, the things that you would need to carry out this thing, and it just doesn't exist.
It's not there.
It's just people talking at events while they're drunk and stoned, as the FBI, of course, is supplying them with alcohol and marijuana and recording them.
That's what happened.
Unbelievable.
I guess one of my questions would be, to your knowledge, so we've got five guys who are acquitted.
We have some that took pleas.
We have some that were convicted.
What's the difference?
Why do we have some guilty verdicts and then we have some of the not guilty verdicts?
And do you think that the people that were found not guilty were wrongfully convicted?
I will say that when the full force of the government comes upon a group of guys from Jackson County, Michigan, or from, you know, the rural Midwest, and they're hitting them with charges of conspiracy to kidnap, they're adding, you know, superseding indictments for WMDs,
and then there's terrorism enhancements, and these people are told that the government has a 98% conviction rate You know that the government has unlimited resources and you're looking at life in prison, people who don't have strong faith in Christ may feel like they have to take a plea deal because they feel that the deck is stacked against them.
And so I would caution people to consider that.
And I want to talk about specifically two of the people who took plea deals, a gentleman named Ty Garvin.
He was the first person to take a plea deal.
Now, another thing that should be noted, The FBI used a network of 12 informants, as you said, and several undercover FBI agents and what the FBI calls OCEs to manufacture this case.
We still don't even know the identities of all of the informants.
We don't know if one of the guys who took a plea deal could have been an informant.
We know maybe half of the identities of these individuals.
We don't know all of them.
So there's that to keep in mind.
And that information, by the way, information about this is still kept under protective seal, some of it, including things like this, the identities of these people, ostensibly, you know, for their safety or what have you.
He had a lawyer who was former FBI, and he took a plea deal before the discovery had even come in.
And I think that that was maybe a mistake, that he didn't get to see for himself the role that the FBI played in manufacturing all of this.
And then for Caleb Franks, the other guy who took a plea deal, his lawyer was actually fighting the case and making some of, I think, the best legal arguments.
He was connecting the case to January 6th, calling it a hoax.
But Caleb Franks was involved in a separate incident with the informant.
In this case, one of the lead informants got several guys, well, he tried to get them to sell ghost guns to felons, just to get additional charges on them that they could hold over their head.
So, Taylor Franks got tied up in that, and a month before trial, he was caught smuggling Suboxone into the prison, so he was looking at a mental health evaluation and other things where I feel he was pressured and coerced into taking a plea deal, and I feel very sorry for him.
And I want people to understand the pressure people are under and why something like that might happen.
Now, breaking down the charges of the 14 guys.
Six were charged at the federal level of conspiring to kidnap.
Some of them were charged with WMDs.
Eight were charged at the state level, so not at the federal level, for providing material support, whatever that means, Gang affiliation and felony firearm, which is just a charge they add if you had a firearm on you while you committed a felony.
The felony they claimed they committed was personnel, whatever that means.
It means that you were there at an organization or situation...
Put on by the government and you happen to be there and maybe you taught somebody how to tie a tourniquet.
Oh, you just provided material support or you showed someone defensive firearms training, the kind of thing that you can pay for and get that is not illegal for people to learn.
Things like that.
That's what they were charging them with.
So it's just ridiculous on its face.
And I think that it's easy to see why somebody might feel like they need to take a plea deal.
Now as far as the case itself, there were four trials with this.
So that first trial ended in zero convictions.
Two acquittals and then a mistrial on Adam and Barry.
They retried Adam and Barry in what was really a show trial where these guys could not introduce exculpatory evidence.
They could not call witnesses because every single witness was an unindicted co-conspirator and told that they could be charged if they said anything incriminating.
So this is like witness Tampering, witness intimidation, and then in that retrial, the judge, who was the same judge at the first trial, Judge Yonker, imposed time limits on the defense only when it came to cross-examining the guys who took the plea deal, you know, the government star witnesses.
And they had to get Adam and Barry in this retrial because they could not charge the other guys or have their trials for providing material support to terrorists without having the convicted terrorists.
And so, it's all very dark.
I mean, yeah, I mean, the whole thing is corrupt.
I mean, not only are the law enforcement officials corrupt, I mean, the courts are corrupt, the Justice Department, the state, at the state level.
And I wonder, though, because I heard that there was also, they also wanted, there were FBI, and feel free to talk about this, the FBI or the informants that were trying to get people to detonate Tannerite in driveways, uh, And you mentioned, I think in another interview, the former governor of, I think, North Carolina, Ralph Northam.
You know, I think about Gretchen Whitmer, though.
What if the FBI had actually been successful in getting this plot that doesn't really exist to actually happen?
So Gretchen Whitmer's never going to come out and say, hey, this was an FBI setup because she's committed to the narrative.
But I just wonder...
And she herself participated in it.
I mean, she picked the date and time of the recon of her own vacation cottage.
She's honestly more culpable in the plot than these men who they called the co-conspirators.
I would actually argue she's a co-conspirator in a joint venture conspiracy with the FBI, the DOJ, the Michigan Attorney General's Office, and the Michigan State Police to deprive these men of their rights.
That's what I would argue.
Wow.
Okay.
Well, so I was thinking, I guess, yeah, so if she's in on it, then that kind of, my question is mood.
I was just thinking, I mean, I know you've got to go along with the narrative, you know, that patriots are a domestic terror threat.
But, I mean, you've got to think, well, I mean, I'm being used as bait here.
What if they had actually been successful?
What if somebody had actually done that?
You've got to think, well, that's...
Yeah, it's a little bit weird, right?
You would think that she'd be a little bit concerned that, hey, why is the FBI putting on these field training exercises?
Why are they training these men that they claim wanted to kidnap and kill me?
Why did the FBI use proceeds from a fake charity one of their informants was running to purchase the materials for the, quote, shoot house at the Cambria FTX that they then told the guys to run through?
Why were they leading the training?
You know, like, hello?
That's a question she should ask, but I suspect the reason she doesn't is because she knows the answer already.
Yeah, that's true.
I do want to talk about the Ralph Northam thing just to kind of explain a little bit.
There's a lot, like I said, it's a complex story.
It actually goes back further in time before 2020.
It actually begins in probably 2018.
But all that aside, just to kind of...
Give people an idea of what happened here in as short a time as possible.
The FBI infiltrated a prepping group that was created in November 2019.
It was a Facebook page.
By March of 2020, their informant, Dan Chappell, is the executive officer of the Wolverine Watchmen.
He's essentially the de facto leader of the group.
While Joe Morrison Founded the Wolverine Watchmen and created it.
He was not the leader, and he certainly wasn't leading them and training them in this more tactical training that they start doing after the FBI infiltrates and takes over.
During this time, as you said, the backdrop is COVID lockdowns, but it's also the summer of love with rioting.
And some of these riots happened in Michigan.
There was a riot in Grand Rapids.
So you have that in the backdrop of these are things happening that are concerning to these men.
They're family men.
They're working class guys.
They see this stuff happening.
So there are these rallies that occur.
They're anti-lockdown pro-2A rallies.
The guys attend one of them in April of 2020.
The FBI believes that They say that Pete Musico has a live grenade on him.
And the guys are in their full kits.
You see the picture of them in the Capitol in the trailer.
They're kind of lined up against the wall.
So they're in there.
They have plate carriers on and whatnot.
It's a really good photo op for the FBI. Who told the Lansing Capitol Police, stand down, open the doors, and let these guys in, so they could get this photo op.
And so that just, to your point of like, what were they thinking?
If they actually believed Pete Musico had a live grenade on them, and they thought these men were dangerous, and they're, you know, they're armed, and they're in their tactical gear, why are you telling the Capitol Police to stand down, open the doors, and let them in?
That's weird, right?
And so just think about this.
During June of 2020, so that was April of 2020, we move forward to June, the FBI calls and shares a national attack planning meeting.
They claim Barry Croft, a middle-aged truck driver, father of four from Bayer, Delaware, called this meeting.
This was called at the Jewelry Inn Hotel in Columbus, Ohio, but they called it the Dublin Meeting.
It's close to Dublin, Ohio, I suppose.
But this was put on by their pedo informant, Steve Robeson, the other key architect of the whole thing.
And at this meeting is four informants.
They're all wearing recording devices and then targets from different states that the FBI brought together.
So these men wouldn't even have known each other.
They wouldn't have had any opportunity to meet in person without the FBI putting on these events.
That's what they did.
That is classic entrapment.
So again, nobody's wanting to do anything.
They have Robeson tell a disabled Vietnam veteran who lives in Virginia, my state, that he should do a plot to kidnap and kill Ralph Northam.
Dan Chappell, one of the other informants, second key informants, is Steve Robeson and Dan Chappell, main informants.
Dan Chappell tells him he sends him a list of ingredients to make homemade explosives, like with things like Drano and sugar.
And then he directs him to double the ingredients.
Steve Robeson tells Frank Butler he needs to build an army in Virginia, that he's going to be the head of the Virginia chapter of a fake militia group created by the FBI called the Patriot Three Percenters, and that he needs to create a QRF, a quick reaction and that he needs to create a QRF, a quick reaction force and recruit 20 to 25
He then offers the, so this is the FBI via their pedo informant, offers the use of an explosives laden drone for a plan to fly this drone into the North Carolina vacation cottage of Ralph Northam.
Thank goodness Frank Butler didn't do it, but he described what Dan and Steve Robeson, these two informants, were doing to him almost as a form of brainwashing him.
They were brainwashing that he needed to do this mission and had these goals and objectives.
It's deeply disturbing.
what they were wanting to do and again that's a democrat governor the fbi's targets in many cases were democrat governors so you're you're you would expect at least the the democrats to care about this case or to at least be concerned no it doesn't seem like it they hardly any have spoken out about it I mean,
at some point, these Democrat governors, I mean, if you look at what the FBI is doing here, setting all this up, they apparently view these Democrat governors as expendable.
Meaning, I mean, their narrative would be, I mean, you could never kill the narrative if Northam was bombed, you know, and actually died, or Whitmer was kidnapped and actually killed.
Like, I mean, that's actually good.
Right.
It's good for the FBI, too.
I mean, that gives them, they justify their existence, they get their big terrorist arrests, and, you know, they have that momentum, right, keeping them funded.
It may be justifying their recent, you know, we know they're expanding their headquarters, they're moving to Greenbelt, Maryland, and their new building's going to be twice the size of the Pentagon.
Maybe it would have justified that.
So this is deeply disturbing, and to just kind of after, you know, obviously this didn't move forward, this plot they wanted to do in Virginia, they're still pushing, right?
We move into August of 2020, nothing is happening.
So the FBI, and they testified to this, by the way, they admitted to this in federal court, they scheduled the first recon, which they called the daytime recon.
This was August 29th of 2020, with Again, Whitmer picked the date and time that would be most convenient for her.
The FBI set up pull cams in advance, and they have their informant driving the vehicle, picks up Adam Fox, the homeless man living in the basement of the vac shack that gets framed as the ringleader of this.
He's in the passenger seat.
He thinks this is all a joke and a game.
He's very naive and he trusts Dan.
He looks up to Dan as a father figure because Dan is an Iraq war veteran.
Of course, Adam never served in the army.
So this is somebody he looks up to.
He trusts is kind of like the real deal.
And he You know, Dan had told him, like, in the military, when we want to get guys focused for training, we train them for a specific mission.
You know, it's not real, but we have to have goals and objectives.
So this is like what Adam's thinking when he's going on this excursion.
They pick up Eric Molitor.
Eric has no idea where they're going.
Prior to this, he had been working security with Adam Fox, and they had been tracking BLM protesters, people that were rioting in their areas, to hotels.
They were looking at people coming in that were from out of state that were rioting.
So he gets a message, hey, we want to go check out a high-profile vacation cottage.
He's thinking that the rioters have gotten smarter.
They're staying at Airbnbs.
So he gets picked up.
They smoke weed, of course.
They get stoned.
And then the FBI, their informant, drives them up to her vacation cottage.
And it's literally, they just drive down the street.
This is not like a surveillance of an actual recon for any real plan.
This is...
Three goofballs in the car with the FBI driving.
One is stoned and talking crazy.
The other's in the backseat, stoned, has no idea what's going on, and is scared because these two guys are armed in front of him.
He doesn't know Dan.
He just wants to get back to his kids, so he's just a ride.
He's there along for the ride.
Now, at trial, the FBI gets caught trying to manufacture evidence and take audio that was said by Eric on the way back From this excursion that the FBI dropped on him, and they tried to play that as if this was the audio on the way there to try to make it look like Eric knew in advance that they were gonna do this recon.
It's so disgusting they were able to do that and that a mistrial wasn't called right there.
I was very sad to see them able to explain that away as they just made a typo, but imagine if Eric's lawyer hadn't caught that.
So this recon, we have text messages From the FBI agents talking to their informants saying, I'll try to get Dan Harris to go along.
Try to invite Brandon Cassere to try to maximize attendance.
So whose plan is it?
It's not these men.
That's not Adam Fox saying this, who they call the ringleader.
No, this is the FBI agents themselves.
Because they couldn't get all these people to go to this daytime recon.
They only had Adam and Eric.
They, of course, have to do another recon.
So, in September, at Luther, at a Luther FTX put on by Ty Garbin, of course, at the behest of the FBI, they take these guys on a nighttime recon.
Now, there's more people now that get involved in it.
They have Adam Fox.
They have Barry Croft.
Barry's told they're going to go do land navigation training.
They have the Null brothers.
And then, of course, all of these FBI informants and then even undercover FBI agents, two of them undercover Mark, And undercover agent Tim Bates going as UCE Red.
So they take them up and they do a nighttime recon of her vacation cottage, which again is just the FBI driving these people past the street where she lives and then You know, pretending like they're doing some kind of stakeout where they have another vehicle and they send these guys like across the lake and they're going to flash a flashlight.
It's silly.
And then they say they were on walkie-talkies and that Adam was directing people.
Well, we have...
We know that these informants and these undercovers were wearing wires.
Where's the audio then of Adam giving people directions?
We don't have it because it wasn't him directing them.
It was the FBI. We even have the audio of their informants talking about who's going to go in what vehicles before they even leave to go on this recon.
The informants were told didn't know about each other.
Why are three of them standing there saying, put these people in this car, put the nulls in this vehicle, And, you know, like they're orchestrating a movie.
We have text messages from the FBI agents as they're driving where they get the address wrong, so the FBI has to send them the correct address to try to get them so they can get them picked up on these pull cams.
And then they're saying, try to get them, you know, drive around this way where we have low light ambience.
Low light ambience as if they're choreographing a movie.
Well, don't you know, they couldn't even get that right, so their pole cam didn't even pick these guys up driving along the street, and the FBI had to create a reconstruction video, which they were allowed to play in court.
Unbelievable.
Yeah, so you're describing, and you obviously know the intricacies of this better than anyone, I mean, you're describing these informants and the agents, I mean, they are orchestrating the entrapment, and that's exactly what this was, and it's all to promote a narrative that, that, you know, Americans, average Americans are a giant terror threat, right?
I mean, and it's still being done today, right?
I mean, it's still, let me ask you this.
I mean, you think there are operations going on right now that are similar that we don't know about yet?
Yeah.
And I know that the Whitmer investigation itself, which has multiple threat streams attached to it, is still ongoing.
It's not over.
They still have 20 people they call unindicted co-conspirators who could be charged in the future.
They told Adam, you know, when he wanted to testify at the final state trial on Eric Molitor's behalf, that if he did that, you know, testified literally from Supermax prison, that he'd face state charges.
Excuse me, but this is like outright insanity.
In America, that's not how it is.
If he violated a state crime, then the state should charge him.
If they haven't charged him, he didn't do anything.
Or they don't have anything to do.
But they do these threats.
To prevent people from being able to tell the truth.
And that's what they did with every single unindicted co-conspirator, which is just like eyewitnesses, people who maybe attended a meeting and they know what was said in the meeting, or they attended one of the FTXs, so they just happened to be there at an event put on by the FBI. Now you're an unindicted co-conspirator.
For what?
Well, to keep you from testifying on these men's behalf at trial.
And they were successful in that.
And I think it's shameful.
Right now, five men are still incarcerated.
Adam Fox and Barry Crofter at Florence Supermax.
They could be there for, Barry, 19 and a half years.
Adam Fox, 16 years.
Adam had no criminal record.
He didn't commit any act of violence at all.
There's no crime that was committed.
They themselves admit that.
It's not like they arrested these guys on route, on their way to try to kidnap somebody.
That didn't happen.
They claim, you know, they introduced one of these undercovers to offer explosives to these guys.
They claim they wanted to blow up a bridge to slow police response.
That wouldn't have worked anyways because there's literally two bridges.
So this is silliness.
But this was the narrative.
And this guy, you know, the FBI actually made a video of them blowing up an SUV so they could show to these men at a circle of trust meeting that they themselves called.
And they said, oh, Barry looked excited.
So somehow that means he wanted to purchase the explosives.
Did Barry give him any money?
For the explosives?
No.
Nobody gave them a down payment.
They didn't arrest them with the money on the way to go buy explosives or anything that would lend credence to the idea that they were actually going to do something.
No.
So they arrested them.
They made up a story that they were going to go get free gear from Undercover Red.
And so they thought they were going to get a surplus like, oh, he's got extra magazines and plate carriers.
So that's what they thought they were going to be doing when they got arrested.
It's just stunning to me that people still think there was something there.
And also to note, the only person involved in this case who actually did commit a violent crime is one of the lead handling agents, Special Agent Richard Trask.
Who was arrested after he took his wife to a swingers party and then beat her and almost strangled her and killed her.
That is the only person who committed a violent crime in this case.
He spent a night in jail, paid a fine, and was suspended from the FBI. So, that brings up two questions.
Accountability, obviously this documentary is going to, you know, get the word out.
Actually, before we get to that, is there any chance, are there any appeals that these men are going to, you know, are they going to appeal their case at all for the lack of exculpatory evidence, for example?
Yeah, you know, some of them weren't even allowed to say entrapment at trial, like they weren't even allowed to mention the word.
The government for the three state guys in Jackson County, Joe Morrison, Paul Beller, Pete Musico, they weren't allowed to say that Daniel Harris and Brandon Caserta had been acquitted.
So the government played video and stuff of Daniel and Brandon calling them conspirators, and then they would say convicted terrorists, Adam and Barry.
The defense couldn't say, hey, these other guys that they're showing you this video of, they were acquitted.
A jury found them entrapped and innocent.
I just think that that's stunning.
So to get to the question, to answer your question, Adam and Barry are currently appealing their appeals at the Sixth Circuit.
They had oral arguments in May, and after oral arguments, I believe it was in June or July, the Sixth Circuit took the unusual step of asking for additional briefings on the out-of-court statements.
These are a number of exculpatory items.
So it's incriminating things that the FBI informants said, or FBI agents and text messages to their informants, or it's exculpatory things the guys said, like where they're saying they don't want to do something.
They claimed that the informants On the same recording where they're playing, you know, clips of these guys from a five-hour meeting, the informants on their audio they called hearsay, and the judge said it wasn't allowed to come in.
So they asked for these additional briefings.
If we allow this evidence to come in, would that have changed the outcome of the case?
We know yes, obviously.
Because that first trial ended in two acquittals and a mistrial on Adam and Barry.
They were very close to acquitting them.
Had they been able to see the totality of the evidence, obviously they would have been acquitted.
So right now we're waiting on the Sixth Circuit to issue their ruling on whether they're going to give Adam and Barry a new trial.
I believe that they have to.
Because these men's rights were violated in so many egregious ways.
I mean, the fact that you put a time limit on the defense only, but not the prosecutors, while the judge is disparaging the defense, giving them a countdown, saying, oh, two minutes left.
Are you really going to waste your time on this crap line of questioning?
This is what the judge did to the defense in front of the jury.
Like, it's so corrupt.
It's so biased and disgusting.
So hopefully the Sixth Circuit does the right thing.
I encourage everybody to pray that they do.
Now, the last three guys who are still incarcerated were charged, you know, again, at the state level.
They...
They were, despite not being charged federally, on the eve of their appeals, the MDOC, that's the Michigan Department of Corrections, moved these guys to federal BOP facilities across the country to impede their ability to appeal their case.
So they sent Joe to Peckin, Illinois, They sent Paul to Minersville, Pennsylvania at FCI Schuylkill, a very dangerous and disgusting place.
And they sent Pete to FCI Gilmer in West Virginia, which I just heard they're now turning into a maximum penitentiary.
And it's very disturbing to me.
They brought, after 11 months of Court filings of people like myself arguing and putting it out there that, hey, they move these guys out of state, their lawyers can't meet with them, or it's very difficult, they have to drive far to meet with them, and they're just not meeting with them.
They're preventing their families from being able to meet with them because the families can't afford to drive that far to see these guys, and they don't have access to a Michigan law library.
Their legal mail was being returned to sender Their attorney-client privileged phone calls were being monitored by a third party.
I'm not the one making this claim.
This is documented in court filings.
We know this is happening.
So the FBI is literally monitoring their phone calls with their lawyers after they moved them to these federal facilities, despite the fact that they weren't charged federally.
Finally, we learned that they brought Paul and Joe back to Jackson County.
They're being held right now at Jackson County Jail.
In West Virginia, he hasn't been brought back yet for the appeal, which hasn't even started yet.
We now know that somebody at the MDOC, who's just three steps removed from Gretchen Whitmer, signed the transfer orders to have them moved before they even conducted a, quote, security assessment, claiming that the men were a security threat.
It's so blatantly corrupt.
And they said in emails, too, that they were doing this flat out because of what they tried to do to our supervisor.
Whitmer being their supervisor and being the head of the MDOC. I don't believe that the state of Michigan can adjudicate these cases.
I don't believe if they're a supposed victim or their governor is, and now they're arguing that Dana Nassel was an intended victim.
That we've never heard before in any of the four trials, but now that we're getting to the appeal, they just keep making up new narratives.
I just think it's insane that these men can only appeal all the way to the Michigan Supreme Court.
I don't believe the judge is going to go against the governor.
Don't forget, at their sentencing, Whitmer gave a highly prejudicial three-minute-long victim impact statement where she urged the judge to throw the book at them.
They could be incarcerated until 2063.
For what, exactly?
And then after she claimed that she feared for her life, she put out her book, True Gretsch, where she admits never in the past 10 years has she ever feared for her life.
So she was allowed to just lie, perjure herself, nothing happens to her.
Oh, but the state of Michigan can handle these appeals.
My question is, why haven't they even started yet?
Here we are a year after these men.
They've been in jail for two years now.
When does their appeal begin?
That is my question.
And why is Judge Wilson, the judge who oversaw their trial, the person making these decisions on their appeals?
I think that's also highly inappropriate.
I mean, I shouldn't be surprised with the devilry.
I mean, this is just wickedness on display by the government of Michigan.
I shouldn't be surprised, but I am.
I mean, hearing you walk through this with the kind of command of the facts that you have, I mean, it just infuriates me.
It makes me so angry and so sad.
And the fact that even on appeal, they don't have much of a shot, even though there's all of this misconduct and Let's talk about the documentary.
What do you hope to accomplish?
Obviously you want more people to understand the story, but what are you wanting to accomplish with the documentary?
Well, I started interviewing Adam and Barry before they were sentenced.
So this was after their convictions and the retrial of them.
And I was speaking to them.
I wanted to get their stories before they were moved.
We didn't know what was going to happen to them.
So I had begun my interviews for them for the documentary.
They never got to testify on their own behalf at trial.
Their court-appointed lawyers told them they didn't need to.
So isn't that interesting?
This is the first time in this documentary that you get to hear them telling their story in their own words.
I think that's really important.
Also, I got statements from them for the Weaponization Committee.
I published Barry Croft's statement.
The next day, Adam and Barry were sent to supermax prisons across the country.
I don't think that that is a coincidence.
I believe they wanted to stop their participation in my documentary, silence them and shut them up.
Why else would you send people who have no criminal record to a I want people to understand that in the documentary there's going to be stuff that...
You just didn't get to see, don't know about, like, these men telling their story for the first time, and there's other things.
There's parts of the story that have never really been told, which is unfortunate, and again, for a variety of reasons, so...
The documentary aims to basically tell that truth.
And I know that the guys, for them, they don't have a lot of hope in the appeals system getting them justice.
Their hope, and my hope with the documentary, is that that gives us enough Public pressure, right, on the FBI and on this that they have to do the right thing.
That enough people are watching and know what's going on where they can't just railroad these guys, where they have to at least allow them to have fair appeals.
That is the goal.
And it's also why this documentary is so important to get out as soon as possible.
We don't have three years to wait for me to raise the money.
It's all been crowdfunded from the beginning.
It's just supported by regular people.
We don't have anybody that's going to come in as an investor or donate funds to us or distribute the film.
We have to do every single thing ourselves.
I've had to fight for every bit of funding so I could travel to Michigan, interview all these witnesses across eight different states, 20-plus interviews.
It is a lot.
It's a massive story.
It requires a lot of resources to assemble, to tell.
We have to license archived news footage and Music, we have to pay to license.
There's foreseen lawfare, potentially, that we want to make sure that we're prepared for.
So it's very important we meet our funding goal as soon as possible so that this film can come out before these appeals to maybe at least put enough pressure that they have to do them right.
I was going to say you mentioned lawfare, but are you worried, Christina, that they may weaponize the system against you personally or your family?
Because, I mean, what you're saying, I mean, the title of the documentary I think is fantastic because what you're saying is this is the FBI are actually the terrorists here, not these other people.
Yeah, they are.
They are, and I know that they're aware of me.
I think if they came after me, it would simply validate the film, and it certainly wouldn't stop the documentary from coming out.
So even if they did that, it's not going to serve whatever purpose they would think that it would.
I don't anticipate the FBI coming after a filmmaker and a journalist, But it's not outside the realm of possibility, because everything I've seen in these documents, they just targeted regular guys.
These are people who were working class fathers, like family men, and they were able to portray them in a completely different light.
And then they laugh about it, by the way.
In the interrogation that we have of the FBI interrogating their own informant after they arrested him to silence him, to keep him from testifying for the defense, and they made him sign this NDA as they were raiding his house, they're talking about how the media is portraying the guys as like a right-wing, white supremacist, and they're like laughing about, well, they're really not, but, you know, They know these things.
It's so corrupt and disgusting.
Yeah, it wouldn't surprise me if they tried to come after me for providing material support.
I mean, if you can be charged with being in a gang because, you know, five or more people with similar beliefs got together, that's now the criteria apparently for being a gang.
Yeah, maybe they can charge a journalist for providing material support for simply putting out factual information.
Christina Ursa, we're out of time.
Thank you so much.
If there's any updates on this, I want to have you back on to get you guys more exposure as much as I can.
And again, the website, knkfilm.com, and you see the link.
The link will be there in the description to the Give, Send, Go.
So go support this film so the truth can get out.
Christina, thank you so much.
It's a pleasure meeting you, and God bless.
Thank you so much.
Absolutely.
Folks, we're out of time.
We're going to end the show.
So I'm going to leave you where we started.
Here's this trailer, one of the best trailers I've ever seen.
Thanks for watching.
watching.
God bless.
to new developments in the plot to kidnap and kill Governor Gretchen Whitmer.
Thirteen suspects arrested, including seven alleged members of a right-wing militia group who are preparing to kidnap and possibly kill me.
The defense claims the FBI, through undercover agents and informants, were behind the plan and that Fox and Croft were duped into going along with it.
What the FBI did is unconscionable.
It's almost like they had their evidence, had their facts, and created the crime.
Let's get a plan together to attack our governors all at the same time.
We can cloud the water.
We can send everybody into disarray and chaos.
He's the perfect chameleon.
He knew exactly what to say, how to say it.
Dan Chappell was the driving force of it all.
He was there to lead.
He was there to orchestrate.
I think he viewed us as an opportunity.
Everything here is a lie or a manipulation.
It's almost impossible to fathom how brazen, how bold, and how dangerous these individuals were.
Thank you to the fearless FBI agents.
Inside the takedown of the FBI agent who led one of the nation's biggest domestic terror investigations.
If you can think of a synonym for patriots, you can think of terrorists.
You're seeing the exact same methodology being used without difference.
Everything about this case was a terrorism attack, I agree, by the FBI. Unlimited power, unlimited money.
My biggest fear is being, you know, called a terrorist from the nation that I love.
Your entire life could be taken away from you for something you didn't do.
What they've done is destroying lies.
And I will not stop until he's free or I die.
A saying we have in my office is don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.
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