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JESUS. GUNS. AND BABIES. w/ Dr. Kandiss Taylor ft Mark Davis
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Hey, everybody.
Welcome to Jesus, Guns, and Babies.
I'm your host, Dr.
Candice Taylor.
I have an awesome guest today.
You're going to have so much fun.
And guess what?
We're going to talk about elections again.
But I'm going to read first from Romans 14.1.
I'm going to read King James, New King James.
Receive one who is weak in faith, but not to disputes over doubtful things.
King James says, He is weak in faith.
Receive ye, but not to the doubtful disputations.
But when we look at New Living Translation, it makes more sense.
It says, Accept other believers who are weak in faith and don't argue with them about what they think is right or wrong.
That's hard.
It's really hard.
Because, you know, we want to prove each other right or wrong.
But the Bible talks about iron shopping and iron.
There's a time for that.
But it also can leave people who are not Christians even...
I think the point of that scripture is that we've got to preserve our unity as believers above all else.
That's right.
So this is Mark Davis.
Welcome, Mark, to Jesus, Gens, and Babies.
And Mark, he is a data analyst, and he is an expert witness on elections, and he's awesome.
And so we're so excited to have you, Mark.
Go ahead and talk about the scripture, because it was one of yours that you chose.
Oh, well, it was one that my grandfather, who taught Sunday school in Little Country Baptist Church for about 45 years, used to cite when my brothers and I were quarreling.
And the other thing he used to love to say, and I love this, he used to always say, preach the gospel, use words if you must.
And that's the way he lived, you know, and I just thought that was awesome.
That's right.
Well, the love of God brings a man's heart to repentance.
So if we love really well, then probably we don't have to do anything else.
So you're right.
Well, let's talk about how I met you.
You live in Georgia and kind of through this election efforts to have fair, legal, secure elections.
Imagine that.
And so I want you to kind of talk about how you got involved in that or what your background is so people can know who you are before we get in deep into what's going on in Georgia.
All right, so when I was in my early 20s, my father, Guy Davis, was the Republican nominee for governor.
And that was when I first started working with voter rolls.
That was 1986.
And I've been working with voter rolls ever since.
And then in 1996, when Motor Voter rolled out and I could get every voter in the state on one CD from the Secretary of State's office, I started going through that data and I started seeing all kinds of problems with it.
And so I started trying to do something about them a long time before anybody ever used the term election integrity or anything like that.
To us, it was just trying to prevent illegal stuff.
And I was that nerd over there who wouldn't shut up about the voter rolls.
Of course, these days, everybody wants to make me that nut over there.
But I first went before the state election board on residency issues and districting issues back in 2002.
And I thought it wasn't going to be that hard to fix.
And I actually did do some work with Kathy Cox, a Democrat, on some of those issues.
It made a little bit of progress, but it didn't fix the problem.
And so we're still having a lot of the same problems.
So basically, I've been trying for about a quarter of a century now to fix a lot of this stuff.
It's all coming to a head.
You know, now there's a big election integrity movement and a lot of people putting time and effort and energy into fixing some of these problems, which I'm very, very glad to see and very grateful for.
And a lot of money.
A lot of people are putting a lot of their own money.
And, you know, time's money as well.
But I see people just pouring money into it.
And it's a huge blessing because otherwise we would never get this problem fixed.
So I want to talk, Mark, you have a vast knowledge.
You just know so much.
You've done for decades.
I mean, I was born in 1980.
So 1986, you were starting in politics.
And so it's amazing.
Your daddy, you know, who was a Republican nominee for governor.
What an honor.
And then you've just seen all this play out in our state.
And even with the Diebold system, like I want to talk about that because I remember when that came in, I had just started voting.
I started voting in 1999.
And so I just started voting.
And whenever that came about, well, I guess I started voting in 98 at the very end.
My birthday would hit right there.
At election time.
So, actually, this election's on my birthday.
So, my birthday hits.
I remember 5th.
It, like, hits right there.
So, whenever you moved into Diebold, did you see a shift in security at that point?
Well, all the stuff to do with the machines and the voting equipment and all that kind of stuff, it's not really my lane.
In fact, I was asked to serve on the committee that chose the new election equipment because up until the 2020 election, I was a big supporter of Raffensperger and Jordan Fuchs actually asked me if I wanted to be on that committee and I said, well, if you need me, I'll be happy to do it, but That's not really my area of expertise.
Surely you can find somebody that knows more about it than I do.
And then when I saw who went on the committee, I was kind of kicking myself in the rear, regretting my choice, because there were a lot of folks on there that knew less about it than I do.
Where I tend to focus is voter data analytics and residency issues.
And when I serve as an expert witness, there are voting procedural issues and whatnot that come into play, but most of them revolve around residency and other qualification issues.
But do you, just as a citizen, just knowing, I mean, I know that that's not your thing, but for me, it seemed like Diabol was not as easily manipulated as the system we are now.
That's what I kind of thought.
The problem with the system that we have now is that so many people just don't have any faith in it.
And I think to a certain extent, some of that's justified because the more I've learned about it, The more questions I have.
And the other problem that you have here is after 2020, everybody all over the country, there were people, not everybody, but there were lots of people all over the country scrambling, just trying to get the numbers to match.
The number of voters and the number of ballots and all of that kind of stuff, just basic things like that.
Nobody could make the numbers work.
When you went really down into the lower level and you really dug into it, you could get them to approximate one another maybe, but there was no...
What we would do in a business context where we make the numbers work...
Reconciliation.
We want a reconciliation of the numbers, of the count.
We want transparency.
We want accountability.
We want all the numbers to work.
We want everything to reconcile.
Absolutely.
Yeah, and so for me, too, Mark, what really was a red flag is when I was running for governor, even before I started running for governor, and then after, well, I ran in 2020 for U.S. Senate, so I started researching elections.
When I realized I had stolen the election from President Trump, I was like, oh my gosh.
And so I started researching the Constitution and the constitutionality of how we're voting.
And then as I was running for governor, it was like, I just more and more talking to people who did know who were the experts who've been doing this for decades like you is that the Bible it is our Bible in Georgia the Constitution says that you should see voter intent because that's how you adjudicate a ballot and so when you go and mark a ballot If it doesn't read correctly, you know, you can go back and look and see, oh, they erased it here.
This is really who they marked, and you adjudicate it, and you have a Republican and a Democrat and an Independent or whatever, and they're looking, and together they adjudicate that ballot.
In Georgia, we're touchscreen all of our votes, and it's an ADA, you know, It was created for disabled people.
It wasn't supposed to be.
It wasn't intended to be for everybody in the general populace to vote that way.
We should be voting and marking our ballots.
And instead, in Georgia, we all touchscreen.
And so we're touchscreening votes and we're printing a ballot.
And the adjudication process now is a joke because you don't adjudicate a ballot.
You can't see voter intent.
And so we should be able to see voter intention, but yet we don't.
We see computer intention.
And so that's a red flag for me on the voting system because we don't get to actually mark our ballot.
Well, I don't like that adjudication process to begin with.
I don't trust it.
I don't like the idea of three people that we're told are nonpartisan, who are going to look at people's ballots, reinterpret them, and then basically digitally recreate them.
I don't like that.
No.
It doesn't seem very secure, right?
No.
So, let's talk about some of the cases that you've been an expert witness on, that you've worked on, and kind of talk about that process.
Because we have several cases in Georgia right now.
I mean, a lot.
There's like, I think, 17 or so that Georgia Republican Party is involved in.
We have one that gets come in this week for my husband that ran for probate judge.
It's going to be before a judge.
And so there's a lot of election cases going on.
So let's talk about kind of your niche and what you're good at and what you're called for.
Okay, so the first time that I served as an expert witness was at the request of the Republican Party itself.
Because when they looked around to try to find one, I guess it must have came up empty.
And I was pretty young at the time.
And they came and asked me what I'd be willing to do it.
And I said, well, I've never done it before.
I don't know anything about it.
And they said, well, our lawyers will tell you what to do.
So I said, sure.
And it was in House District 1 up in the extreme northwest corner of Georgia.
And What had happened was basically redistricting errors.
And so I got the voter data out and geocoded the records and mapped them.
And yes, there were a lot of redistricting errors and just basically went up there and testified about them.
And the judge tossed the election out and the election was reheld.
But unfortunately, some of the redistricting errors still weren't fixed, and the same race got tossed out again.
Then fast forward quite a few years to 2018, almost the same thing happened up in Dan Gasway's district, House District 26, up in Banks and Stevens and Haversham counties.
And It was mostly Habersham County.
They had incorrectly redistricted several hundred voters.
And so again, I got the data out and geocoded it, digitally mapped it and found them.
And then when we presented them to Habersham County, They looked it over and realized they had messed up bad.
And they actually joined our call for a new election.
And the problem was that the other two counties didn't want to do that.
And so we ended up having to go to a hearing, but it was a very brief one-day hearing.
No big deal.
And that one got tossed.
And then when the election was redone, Dan lost by two votes.
Wow.
And so we go back to court again.
And That one got really crazy because the sheriff of Banks County doesn't actually live in Banks County.
Wow.
And like Dan always says, you know, any middle schooler kid with Google Earth Pro can plainly see that.
And he's right.
If you look down on his house in satellite view and you turn on the county line so you can see where it is, His chickens are in Banks County, but he and his family live in the county next door.
Well, maybe he's living in the chicken coop.
I don't think so, but the crazy thing was the lunch lady at one of the schools up there actually challenged his residency Years ago.
And apparently, from what I understand, he got a relative of his wife to do a survey that basically made a mockery out of the county lines.
But it went through somehow, and he survived the challenge.
Now, if you walk around up in Banks County and you were to ask just people on the street, you know, does the sheriff of Banks County live in Banks County?
You're going to find a whole lot of folks that say no, but a whole lot of them that say no just don't even care.
They like him.
They just really aren't concerned about whether or not he's obeying the Constitution of the state of Georgia or not.
Where does he pay taxes?
As I understand it, he pays taxes and all that kind of stuff.
What you're referring to there is the part of OCGA 21-2-217 down at the very bottom, that last paragraph, we call it registrar's privilege.
And that's where a registrar can consider things like where you pay taxes, where your kids go to school, blah, blah, blah, where you work, all that.
And they can allow you to vote in their county based on those things.
But this is different.
We're talking about a constitutional office holder.
The highest in the county.
The Constitution of Georgia requires the sheriff to live in the county that he's the sheriff of.
Rightfully so.
There's two different issues.
Right.
They're the highest.
It'd be like, I'm the governor of Georgia, but I live in Alabama.
Right, you can't do that.
Or I live in Florida.
Like, no, you can't do that.
Yeah, I mean, you're the highest constitutional officer of the county.
That does not make sense.
I was wondering about property taxes.
Like, does he pay property taxes in Bates County, or is he paying property taxes in Habersham?
And then the other case, well, there's two more.
Well, several, really.
But the next case was down in Long County.
It was a probate judge's race.
That's right by me.
I'm sorry?
That's right by me, Long County.
That's one of my 15 that I'm over for the first district.
Oh, okay.
Well, he lost by nine votes, and so he called up Jake Evans, who called me into the case, and that's the third case Jake and I have done together, not counting him defending me in fair fight versus true of the vote, but so that was the case where we found double voting.
And that's a whole rabbit hole we can go down if we've got time to do it.
But I had never seen double voting before.
But I got a call from Jake one afternoon.
And he said, hey, what are you doing?
I said, I'm going through the voter data.
What's up?
And he goes, well, there's some guy down in Long County running around telling everybody he voted twice in the election.
And I said, okay.
And he goes, what do you think about that?
I said, I think he's probably a nut.
And he said, well, let's just call him.
I said, okay.
So I found his phone number and gave it to Jake, and Jake called him up, and I stayed on as a witness.
And the guy's name was Hamilton Evans, no relation to Jake Evans.
And so the phone rings.
And the guy answers.
And Jake says, Hello, is this Hamilton Evans?
It is.
Hi, sir.
My name is Jake Evans.
I've been calling tonight in Atlanta and been retained to work in the disputed elections down there in the probate judges race.
And if it's okay with you, sir, I've got some questions for you.
Yeah, shoot.
Well, sir, I don't mean to insult you or anything, but we have heard reports from people that you have claimed to vote twice in the election down there.
Yeah, I did.
Well, can you tell me more about that?
All right, well, here's what happened.
Uh, my wife's disabled, but I ain't.
So, uh...
I went down there and voted early.
I figured I'd get it done.
Well, she never got around to it.
Didn't vote absentee neither.
So I just carried her down there on election day, wheeled her in there, and the lady behind the counter checked her in.
And she turned to me and she says, you want to vote too?
And I thought, well, damn, I wonder if they'll let me.
So I said, yeah, I'll vote.
So she gave me my little cards.
I walked over there, and I put it in the machine, and I voted.
And I went and found the sheriff, and I walked up to the sheriff.
I said, sheriff, I got something I need to tell you.
The sheriff said, well, what's that?
Well, I done voted twice in the election.
Well, why'd you do that?
I just wanted to see if they'd let me.
And so we got off the phone, and we were just howling.
I mean, I was about crying.
It was one of the funniest phone calls I've ever been on in my life.
Mark, you don't understand.
You sound just like being in South Georgia.
Like you could be an actor, but go ahead.
Well, anyway, so Jake says, well, now what do you think?
I said, Jake, I still think he might be in that.
That was hilarious, but I still don't know if I believe him.
And he goes, well, then what do we do with that?
And I'm like, well, we have to be able to prove it.
And he said, do we have any way to prove it?
And I said, well, yeah, actually, I don't know why, but in your subpoena, as a response to your subpoena, the county gave you what's called their numbered list of voters, which is everybody who cast a ballot in person on Election Day.
Is that the CVR? No, it's...
It's literally when you come in and you check in on the poll pads, the first voter in the door is number one.
The second voter in the door is number two.
And so there's a numbered list of voters in the order that they walked in that's produced.
Okay.
And so...
And there's a name attached to the number?
Yes.
Okay.
Yeah, it's basically your voter number, your registration number, a date and time stamp, and your name.
I gotcha.
And so...
Once we have that, we can compare that to the early and absentee voter data, and we can look for matches.
So I did that, and doggone, there he was, Hamilton Evans, right there on the list, along with 13 other voters.
And I was shocked, because I had never once, in all my years, seen actual evidence of double voting before, and I was sitting there staring at 14 of them.
Oh wow, as I was going to say, it said 13 more, it said 14 double voters.
14 double voters.
Yeah.
Interesting.
Yeah.
Well, I now know a whole lot more about this situation than I did then.
What I didn't realize at that time was that it was illegal to open absentee ballots and scan them early, which is what the counties were doing then.
What I now know that I didn't know then It was on May 18th of 2020, the state election board, which at the time was all lawyers except for Secretary Rathensperger, who's represented by one, Ryan Germany.
He's just a great guy.
Oh boy.
You had five lawyers on a Zoom call get together and agree to pass a rule that would allow the counties to open and scan absentee ballots up to three weeks early.
And that was in violation of 97 years of black-letter Georgia law.
And that law didn't change until SB 202 in 2021.
So for the entirety of 2020 and that U.S. Senate runoff, it was actually illegal to do what they did.
They did it anyway, right?
And they did it at the direction of Brad Raffensperger.
That's right.
And the reason that we had the whole double voting scandal in the first place, the one where Brad went out on TV and said he was going to prosecute like a thousand people for it, he caused that issue.
Because what happens is As you know, once you take a ballot, an absentee ballot out of the envelope, you cannot match it back to a voter.
So if that voter comes in on Election Day and says, I want to cancel my absentee ballot, my mail ballot, I want to cancel that, and I want to vote here in person.
Which is legal.
It is legal to do that, but you're supposed to surrender that ballot.
But the problem is, if it's already been turned in and it's in their possession, but it's been separated from that envelope, there is no way to cancel.
Because you can't tell whose ballot is whose.
That's right.
So that whole mess came up as a result of that.
We didn't win that case, but we should have.
There was a bunch of illegal absentee ballot issues in that case, too.
And we really should have won, but the judge ruled against us.
So we were so sure of our position that we ended up, the case went to the Georgia Supreme Court.
And the Georgia Supreme Court basically said, we don't like to overturn trial judges.
And so it refused to overturn the case.
And so basically that set precedent that pretty much eviscerated absentee ballot law in Georgia.
I mean, it was ridiculous, the stuff that happened.
There was one guy that Jake had on the stand, and it was the funniest thing.
Jake asked him, well, can you explain why your signature and your wife's signature look like the exact same handwriting?
And the old man says, well...
I got my wife to fill out my absentee ballot for me while we was driving to Walmart because I'm blind.
I can't see.
Think about that one for a minute.
Wow.
They're driving to Walmart.
She's filling out his ballot.
He's driving.
He's blind and he can't see.
Can't even make some of this stuff up.
And that was in Long County as well?
Yeah.
Yeah, about that.
And there was one case that, it was Dan's case up in House 28, where we actually found a woman that was registered at a vacant lot.
There was literally nothing on that piece of property but a mailbox.
There wasn't even a tent.
She was literally living miles away with her parents, but she had registered at this vacant lot.
There's just so many weirds that you wouldn't believe the trash that's on our voter rolls.
I mean, it's dirtier than a truck stop toilet seat.
I mean, terrible.
Dead people, people that's moved.
What about how they do them inactive for several years and then they've been re-activated and voted on even after they were inactive?
Do you deal with that at all, Mark?
Well, the problem there, that's caused by the 1993 NVRA. Well, the 1993 National Voter Registration Act, also known as the NVRA, also known as the Motor Voter Law.
And what happens there is, to remove somebody from their voter rolls, Who you've got an NCOA match on or something like that.
You've got to mail them a notice and get them to execute it and send it back saying that, yeah, I've moved to Tennessee or Florida or wherever else.
And then they can come off the ropes.
Or if they register to vote or get a driver's license in another state, they can do that.
But even if they move within the state, the Secretary of State's hands are tied unless they actually get a response from that voter.
And the problem is most people just ignore those notices.
And so what happens is they stack up.
And so the 1993 NVRA basically causes Secretaries of States all across this entire country To collectively keep millions and millions and millions of bogus voter registrations on the rolls at any given moment in time.
But there is a solution.
If you go to my author page at The Federalist, just go to Google and put in Mark Davis plus The Federalist, my author page should pop up.
There's an article I wrote on there about voter ID. And, you know, most people, when you talk about voter ID, you're thinking about proving that you are who you say you are.
But it's more than that.
And really, that's leaving half the argument on the table.
Because it's not just about proving that you are who you say you are.
It's about proving you live where you say you live.
Amen.
So what happens is...
People forget that.
That's just like one little pesky piece people forget.
It's more than just saying, I'm legal, I'm a Georgian, I get to vote.
You also have to actually reside in the state and in the county where you're saying you reside, right?
Yes, because that's what our voting districts are based on.
That's right.
So let me walk you through what happens with this illegal voting, okay?
Let's just say you have a family that moves from Cobb County to Gwinnett, okay?
So they put their house on the market, they find a new house in Gwinnett, they get a contract on it, they both close, they pick up stakes, and they move to Gwinnett.
They get settled in, and they have filed an NCOA, and they told the post office, okay, as of this date, I'm going to be living in Gwinnett at this address, okay?
So then they get settled, and election day rolls around, and they realize, oh, heck, I forgot to re-register to vote here in Gwinnett.
Dadgummit, I got no place to vote.
Oh, I know what I'll do.
I'll just go back and vote over in Cobb again.
So they get in the car, most of them, physically get in the car, and they'll drive back to where they used to live.
They'll show that poll worker a driver's license.
They know they hadn't updated, and they know it doesn't have a current address on it.
And the poll worker will check them in.
Then the poll worker will check the voter registration rolls, and those hadn't been updated either, so the address on the license matches the one on the voter rolls.
Another green light.
So then the poll worker Flips the poll pad around and asks them to execute a voter certificate.
The voter certificate has their name and address on it, but it shows their old address again, okay?
And at the very bottom of that, there's a warning not to violate OCGA 21-2-562, which makes it a felony to provide false information on that form.
But they go ahead and sign it anyway.
That's a bunch of felonies, Mark.
That's a bunch of felonies.
Oh, I'm just getting started, okay?
So there's felony number one, okay?
So then they've obtained that little yellow card, and they walk over and they put it in the polling machine, and it creates a ballot.
Then they walk over and they put it in that scanner, which casts the ballot, okay?
That's another felony, OCGA 21-2-571.
But if there is a federal race on that ballot, and there usually is, Then they've got a problem under 52 U.S.C. 103-07, which is the Prohibited Act section of the Voting Rights Act.
And if there's any federal race, whether it's Congress, U.S. Senate, President, whatever, then that's a federal offense as well, as well as violations of our residency laws.
So this is just all kinds of illegal, okay?
And so basically...
The folks that move to a new jurisdiction, if you move within the same county, this is not much of an issue because you can just update and keep rolling.
But if you've moved to a new jurisdiction, yeah, those are big problems.
Well, 100% of the folks that vote in the wrong county are offered the chances to vote in the wrong county offices.
You know, like district attorney or sheriff, what have you.
94% in the wrong House district, 86.5% in the wrong Senate district, and about 64% in the wrong congressional district.
And these were the issues that I found after the 2020 election that were put in the Trump lawsuit.
And if you go to the transcript of that phone call between President Trump and Raffensperger, And you scroll down to where Kurt Hilbert starts talking.
That's my analysis they're quarreling.
And they were supposed to get together and review it again the next day.
And that never happened.
And the rest is history.
But that whole episode made me so mad because the whole false narrative around that phone call just made me furious because I know there were legitimate issues in the Trump lawsuit because some of them came from me.
And so in May of 2021, I actually took that evidence that I would have presented at that trial.
And I turned it over to Secretary Rathensperger for a formal investigation that they had already agreed that they would conduct.
But they got that investigation.
And then dismissed it on bogus legal grounds.
And in fact, they penned a legal analysis for factcheck.org to try to discredit the entire premise of that case.
And here's where it gets funny.
In Fair Fight v.
True the Vote, somehow Fair Fight got a hold of that, I guess through an open records request, and they submitted it as Exhibit 61 in that case.
And so it turned up, and that's how I became aware of it.
And so now it's kind of a smoking gun that they never intended to do that investigation to begin with.
They knew the premise of it.
Here's where it gets funny, though.
In 2022, we had a member of Congress, Drew Ferguson, over in Congressional District 3.
He moved from one county within his district to another.
And he also failed to re-register right away.
And he also went back and voted in his old county three times.
Wow.
The first time might have been within the grace period because there's a 30-day grace period.
But the other two, probably not.
That case actually did get adjudicated.
Actually, I mean, it did get investigated by the Secretary of State's office and then got referred to the State Election Board for adjudication.
Here's where it gets funny, though.
If that case comes up, okay, then the obvious question is, well, what about the other 60,000 of them from 2020 and 2022 that have been ignored?
Why are you picking on this member of Congress and ignoring everybody else?
Exactly.
Well, I mean, targeting, right?
That's what they do.
They target.
But I have a question.
So, and I know this is back to what you were talking about in this conversation, but there are 700,000 veterans in Georgia and a bunch of them vote in Tennessee or they vote in Florida.
Because they don't want to pay income tax.
And so they register in those counties, I mean, those states as their resident.
Well, they lived there at one point, right?
And then they got stationed in Georgia and they just left their residency there for tax purposes.
And so then by default, they vote there as well.
And so I'm wondering if that's illegal or is there a special, you know, guidelines for military?
Well...
Because I heard that a lot when I was running for governor.
I'd hear from the military, you know, I'm not voting for governor because I vote in Florida, or I vote in Tennessee, or I vote, you know, wherever.
Well, the laws vary from state to state, but Georgia has very specific residency exceptions for members of the military.
But in general, generally speaking, we're supposed to be voting based on where we actually live.
And no matter where you go in the United States, if you lie about your residency in registering or in voting, then that's arguably a crime.
But the adjudication of whether or not you did lie, there's a whole lot of complex issues that come into play.
But generally speaking, we're supposed to be registering and voting At our domicile.
In other words, where we live, where we lay our head and sleep at night.
That's right.
So, I mean, I guess when I was in college and I'm living, I came home to my parents' house.
I never changed my voter registration to Statesboro when I was at Georgia Southern.
But, I mean, I guess that's legal because college should do that all the time, right?
Yeah, if it's a temporary address change, then you don't have an issue.
So if you're a student gone away to college or a soldier gone off to a tour of duty or a businessman gone off on a temporary contract or something like that, then you're okay.
But what's not okay is, you know, like in the case we just won for Ambrose King, There was one couple that was registered at a funeral home that they owned and That's funny enough on its own.
But the reality is they hadn't lived there in about 10 years.
They've been living in Miami.
And the way the law reads, if you move to Miami and you have this indefinite return date, then you really should be re-registering and voting in Miami is the way I interpret the law.
But the lawyers would quickly get squabbling over that and they would have in that case.
The reason we won that case...
Wasn't because of debatable issues like that.
That one was over Casey's Court Apartments.
They put an entire apartment complex, which I'm told was built in maybe 2020 or 2021.
They put that entire apartment complex in the wrong school board district.
And in Tiff County, the school board lines and the county commission lines are the same.
So those folks have been voting in the wrong district quite a few times.
And so what I did when I found that with the geocoding, instead of relying on the geocoding data, which the lawyers can quibble over, I went to the property tax data and I got the polygon that represents the property parcel, the parcel polygon.
And I downloaded that and I dropped it into a digital map along with the outline of the district.
That put them in a position where they had to either quibble with the boundary of the district or quibble with their own property tax data.
They were trapped.
At that point, the county just threw in the towel.
That was the only case we've ever won without ever even having to go to trial.
I couldn't believe it happened.
Awesome.
Under Georgia law, an election is presumed to be valid.
In other words, you're not even starting with a level playing field of neutrality.
You're going in with the presumption against you.
Right.
And so to win without even a hearing, I've never heard of it happening.
I'm assuming it probably has before, but...
Well, what I'm hoping for, Mark, is that this is a tipping point, and it shows that we know how unsecure our elections are in Georgia, and we know we have so many irregular votes, and we have all this fraudulent activity, and all these people breaking Georgia's statute as election supervisors and election workers, and some of them are breaking them not even knowing it, and some of them are doing it on purpose because they're careless and lazy and just don't care, and then some of them are nefarious.
And so because we have all of this stuff going on in all these different counties, 159, The judges are sick of it and they're like, okay, well Quit doing it, or we're going to have new elections every time.
I'm hoping, because I'm really concerned about November 5th, and what's going to happen in our presidential election in Georgia, and the entire country is watching, and the entire country is going to put it on our shoulders, because if Georgia does not go red, when we are very red, we're a very conservative state, if we go blue because of nefarious things, we lose the whole White House, and everybody knows that.
Let me give your listeners some tips here.
First of all, if we have candidates who lose by narrow margins, I want everybody to understand, our voter rolls are so dirty in Georgia that Within reason, if you show me any close race, there's a decent chance that there may be enough trash there that the election can be overturned.
And the whole reason I do those cases, Lord, it's a ton of hard work, late hours.
They're not easy, but I do them.
You're not making a bunch of money, are you, Mark?
In fact, no.
Not many.
No.
And most of the time, I'm not even charging anybody.
In fact, I can't even remember if I ever have.
But...
I do them because every time we overturn one, it forces the right people to sit up and take notice of why.
So here's the deal.
Several things to remember.
First is, if you think your election involves some malfeasance and you want to consider challenging it, you have a very limited time window.
All right, you have to file within five days of certification.
So you cannot sit around and debate about it.
You need to be thinking, if you're going to have a close election and you know it, be thinking about these issues now.
Okay?
And have a plan now.
Have an attorney that knows election law in mind now.
Okay?
Because what happens is you have to file within that five-day window.
Now, your suit doesn't have to be perfect.
You can come back and amend it after you've done all the research and you're ready to actually lay down the facts, but you have to at least put a placeholder in place to stop the clock from running.
So then you get a hold of an election attorney and then that election lawyer is going to need a voter data analyst, somebody like me.
There's a number of them running around the state now.
I don't know of another experienced expert witness.
That's one of the things I'm trying desperately to correct, just to find other analysts that have the right mindset, the right skills, the right temperament, and whatever it takes to do a good job in that capacity, and to be able to interface well with a lawyer so they don't just hear white noise whenever you start talking about all that computer stuff.
There's that.
That's something to keep in mind.
And the other thing I wanted everybody to understand, too, these residency issues that you and I were just talking about, there is a solution, okay?
We can't reasonably expect to be able to amend or overturn the 1993 NBRA unless we just sweep You know, take over the House, take over the Senate, take over the White House.
Otherwise, it's probably not in the cards.
But we can address the issue on the state level.
98% of people who have voter registrations hold driver's licenses.
Our driver's license law says if you move, you have to update your driver's license within 60 days.
But there's no monitoring.
There's no enforcement.
Go read it, all right?
And again, on my author page at Federalist, there's an article on this.
And if you read it, it will show you our statue and the one from Virginia.
I tell you this, but the one from Virginia blows our doors, okay?
It does everything I've always wanted ours to do and more.
They will revoke your registration if you move to another state.
They will run NCOA, National Change of Address Processing, on the driver's license data, and they'll mail you a notice if you've moved, reminding you to comply with the law.
If you don't, there's a fine, and the fines go to pay to administer the program.
But if you fix the problem before you go to court, the judge can dismiss it like a fix-it ticket.
So see, what happens is, if we can cause people to update their licenses, They will never become an unqualified voter to begin with.
That way, we're making it easier to vote because they never lose their qualifications and harder to cheat because they're voting in the right place.
There's no other law that I can think of that lives up to that promise more than that.
Georgia legislators, y'all hear this.
Y'all go make that happen in session.
Well, not just them.
I would venture to guess that you have a whole lot of people that are very interested in election integrity.
And maybe they're not technical people that are experienced, you know, on the computer and all that kind of stuff.
But this is an activity.
This is a cause that they can take up and they can write letters.
They can send emails.
They can make phone calls.
They can attend events.
They can speak to legislators personally.
They can get busy and advocate.
For the passage of this bill.
There's already a number of legislators that have expressed interest in it in both houses.
And with a little bit of luck, we might get maybe a half a dozen co-sponsors in each chamber and pass this thing.
And I have to ask myself how even the Democrats can argue with me.
For example, in 2020, there was about 110,000 voters in that position that had changed jurisdiction and failed to re-register.
Well, about a third of them went back and voted in their old counties, and the rest of them didn't.
So that means the folks that may have broken the law got to vote, and the folks who obeyed it did not.
I mean, that's just unconscionable.
But with this law in place, if we can get all those folks to update their license in a timely manner, that change will roll through into their voter registration.
Then they're all able to vote.
That means all the lawbreakers and the law obeyers can vote.
And let me ask you this.
If I take those 110,000 folks and I put them in a football field, and I say, okay, all you lawbreakers go to this end.
All you law obeyers go to that end.
Okay?
Let me ask you.
Which end of that field is going to have the most Trump supporters?
Probably the ones that didn't vote.
Exactly.
So you see...
The Democrats are always saying they want voters enfranchised, and they don't want voters disenfranchised, and they're always using all that rhetoric like we intend to do something like that in the first place, and we don't, okay?
In Fair Fight vs.
Truth of the Vote, one of the lawyers asked me, Mr.
Davis, would you be okay if every single legally qualified voter in the state of Georgia cast a ballot?
And I said, of course, that really would be a fair fight.
Anyway, yeah, this is a change that I don't think the Democrats can find a legitimate argument against, and we all ought to be for.
Well, we have five minutes left, but I want to say something, Mark, and see how you feel about this.
But as I've listened to everything you said, this is what I feel like in my spirit.
And I feel like maybe we have allowed a lot of illegal activity to We're good to go.
And know that I'm fixing to be going to court because I'm fraudulent.
I've written a bad check.
I'm going to feel sick on my stomach.
If I, you know, hit a pedestrian because you're texting on the phone and you know you're fixing to be charged with murder or if whatever the reason, major things that happen that you might be victim, you know, Victimize somebody for irresponsibility.
In voting, nobody thinks that way because we've been frivolous about it.
And so maybe that is why the people at the top who are breaking the law and committing felonies themselves like Brad Raffensperger saying you can open ballots three weeks early in four election cycles and 158 counties listened and responded to what he said and did that.
And it's felonies.
Felonies after felonies.
I don't even know how many counts it would be.
And you're the one that said how many counts would that be.
I have no idea.
It's crazy to think about.
And they're getting away with it.
Because we have made elections so unimportant.
Just so, like, whatever.
And it is the highest right of our land.
It should be held in the highest regard.
And so we've got to flip the script on that.
Let me tell you the deal on that.
This is my theory for what it's worth.
Because over the years, the job of identifying illegal votes, that's usually my job in one of these cases.
And over the years, I've seen thousands and thousands and thousands of election law violations.
Most of them never get identified, never get reported, never get taken before county board of election, never get referred to the Secretary of State's office.
Never get referred to the state election board.
And never get referred to the Attorney General's office, which is where the ones who do get referred go to die.
Okay?
So, people don't see any enforcement.
And to be honest with you, I'm not out to make felons out of my fellow Georgians either.
No, no.
But the problem is...
That this narrative the left has going about Republican voter suppression and vote deniers and blah, blah, blah, and all this stuff, it intimidates folks.
Plus, in 2020, you had Mark Elias out there threatening to sue any county that accepted a voter challenge.
And our elections officials, they're like all of us, they prefer to keep their reputations and keep their jobs.
And so everybody's scared to death to do anything meaningful when it comes to election integrity to the point that, you know, you'll see Republicans fighting Republicans over it instead of agreeing that it's a priority to enforce our laws.
But yeah, to your point, Again, I'm not trying to say let's just go put folks in prison because some folks don't even realize they've broken the law.
And if they realize that they've committed three or four crimes, they'd be mortified.
Right.
So we need to be empathetic.
But at the same time, what we've got to do is we've got to find ways to fix these issues.
That's why I love that Virginia law.
It's a way to...
Encourage compliance without putting people in a position where they're going to become a convicted felon.
And educate people, you know, educate them.
Hey, if you move, this is what you have to do.
It's illegal.
You cannot come here and just go back and vote at your old place and educating people because the people don't know.
And I know like ignorance is not an excuse for breaking the law, right?
It's just not.
You break the law, you break the law.
But we could educate people and then they would not.
Most people are good.
Most people are inherently good.
Think about this.
The Secretary of State's office collects emails and phone numbers for voters, okay?
Why not do a text message or an email or a letter to these folks that have moved and you know it because you see it on the NCOA. Why not send them something and just say, hey, don't forget, you need to update your registration before the deadline so you can vote.
What's wrong with that?
Otherwise it's a felony.
Like, you can't vote if you don't.
I mean, just speak plainly, you know?
Let people know.
And they can do that.
There's no excuse with technology the way it is and get information dispensed.
They can totally do that.
That's a choice.
It's a choice to remain ignorant.
Well, the Secretary of State would probably say, well, that qualifies as list maintenance.
Well, no, it doesn't, because when a voter initiates their own update to their driver's license or their voter registration, that's not the state doing it.
And the NBRA Only has a blackout period for the state, not the voter.
Yeah.
Well, they'll think of being excused.
They can, Mark, not do their job.
Well, they'll hold that NVRA up like it's a human shield or something.
Right.
I mean, it excuses just about everything under the sun.
And since most people don't even know what the NVRA is, they can't argue with them.
And so they just drop it.
Yep.
It's a form of gaslighting, basically.
That's how it is in all of these situations.
This very complex system for voter registration, for voter roll cleanup, for casting your vote, for looking at this log file.
Everything is so complicated.
To explain it to somebody that's normal, right, just a normal voter, they're like, that's way over my head.
It's really...
Purposeful so that they can be sleepy, slidey in there.
And it's probably really impossible to manage from the SOS perspective because there's so many moving parts.
We need to go back to simplicity and secure and accountability and reconciliation.
I don't know why is that so complicated.
It just is.
It's just ended up that way, but we're going to have to just log through and make it work.
But, you know, we're going to have to have some honest people there.
And, you know, I feel guilty as all I'll get out because I helped put Rathensperger in office.
I consulted with him when he was a candidate, and I feel terrible that I helped elect that man.
I feel personally responsible for it, and that's why I'm so determined to rectify all of these issues that have been created as a result of him being in office.
I know.
Could you imagine Josh McCune being in that office right now?
Wow.
It would be awesome, wouldn't it?
I'm just like, anybody that has integrity and that's not...
I mean, Brad Raffensperger won't even come to Republican meetings.
He won't even come out to play.
He goes to the Rotary and the Chamber of Commerce.
He won't even come out to talk to us because he knows that he's going to be drilled, right?
I think he's gotten to the point where he looks to, you know, He's moderates who are not active in the party and Democrats for his re-elections.
Yeah, so he needs to run Democrat.
He needs to never be allowed on the Republican ballot.
We're working on that.
Well, we need to close our primaries.
Yeah.
We need to close our primaries and we need to not let people run for a Republican office.
They should not represent our brand when they're not a Republican.
And we are protected legally to do that and we've got to do it.
We've got a county in Northwest Georgia right now that has that litigation going that's going to set case law.
And so we're just...
Because they refuse to allow some commissioners to run that vote Democrat.
They are Democrats, but it's a red county and so they just...
Do we want Jeff Duncan on our ballot again?
Never.
No.
Him and Raffensperger, never.
So anyway, Mark, thank you so much for coming.
You're a breath of fresh air.
You're such a hard worker and you're a patriot.
You do it just to protect Georgia and the country.
Thank you and thank you for all you do too.
I really appreciate it.
I appreciate you keeping everybody enthused and keeping the faith and all of that.
We need it.
We've got to all stay engaged.
We're fighting not just a political battle here but a spiritual one.
Tell everybody, yes, it's 100% spiritual.
Tell everybody how they can find you.
I know you're an author with The Federalist, and you have some awesome work.
You have a sub-stack as well.
Will you tell everybody how they can reach you?
I'm MarkDavisGOP on Twitter, and I have a sub-stack.
And then my author page at The Federalist, if you just go to Google and put in Mark Davis plus The Federalist, it should pop right up.
But I've also got it on my Twitter profile if you want to get it from there.
So y'all follow Mark.
He has awesome work.
He does not put frivolous stuff out.
He puts out actual things that are news.
Imagine that.
So y'all follow him.
Thank you, Mark, for coming on Jesus Kings and Babies.
I will see y'all next week, 8 p.m.
Eastern Standard Time, right here.
I love you.
God bless you.
God bless America.
Thank you.
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