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June 13, 2024 - Stew Peters Show
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Millstone Report w Paul Harrell: Southern Baptists FAIL To Ban "Women Pastors", Feminists WIN!
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The rainbow Gestapo, the good stepping gay lobby, all of that stops right now.
Stare at the sun just for kicks all by myself.
I lose track of time, so I might be past my pride.
People say we need to, you know, make America great again.
I completely agree.
We may need to make Gallows great again.
Both my eyes feel just like I don't try.
I look so good I might die.
All I know is everybody loves me.
Cut down.
Swing into my own sound.
Flashes in my face now.
All I know is everybody loves me.
Literally so many people that need to have a millstone put around their neck and tossed into the sea.
Everybody, everybody, everybody.
Woo! .
Hey folks, welcome to the Millstone Report.
My name is Paul Harrell.
So a couple of days ago, I guess a day or so ago, the head of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, Al Mohler, took to the floor of the Southern Baptist Convention and said this.
We will Kentucky.
I served on the committee that brought the Baptist faith and message in 2000 that was overwhelmingly adopted by this convention.
My concern is as a churchman, a theologian, and someone who loves this convention, as I know everyone in this room does, if we eventually have to form a study committee over every word in our confession of faith, then we're doomed and we're no longer a confessional then we're doomed and we're no longer a confessional people.
Dr. Mohler.
Dr.
Moeller, would you – microphone number five.
I recognize you again to continue speaking to this.
Thank you, sir.
I certainly want to be in order with the rest of this convention.
I appreciate the opportunity.
I'll make this brief.
I also appreciate the good work of the Credentials Committee and the spirit in which they bring this.
But I am a confessionalist.
This is a confessional denomination.
We say what we believe in specific words that are the Baptist faith and message.
The moment we start to, of necessity, have study committees to decide what the words mean, The words mean what Southern Baptist said in the year 2000.
At that time, the word pastor was used by the committee and adopted by the convention because we were told that is the most easily understood word among Southern Baptists for pastoral teaching leadership.
I have to hope we still have that much clarity and that churches that use the word pastor mean it.
Wow, that was pretty interesting stuff there.
But the Baptist Faith and Message was written in the year 2000.
It's been 24 years.
Feminism.
I've talked about this many times on the show.
Feminism is the idol of America.
Feminism has creeped in, and as that has happened, we've seen more and more men afraid to be masculine to stand up for the truth.
Just like in the Garden of Eden, men, with the rise of feminism, men give way to their temptations to become passive vessels and stand by while Eve is deceived and eats the apple, which allows evil and wickedness to prosper.
Today, the Southern Baptists voted in Indianapolis at their yearly meeting.
They attempted to pass what is called the Law Amendment, which would have amended the SBC Constitution to force churches in the denomination to conform to the standards set forth in their confession, the Baptist faith and message, concerning women being barred from being pastors or having the title of pastor.
Seems simple enough.
The Bible is clear.
Women cannot be pastors or elders or overseers, as their confession states.
The Apostle Paul said it clearly.
I do not allow a woman to have authority over men.
Tragically and devastatingly, the SBC failed to pass this amendment.
Seems there were far too many men in the room who couldn't bear the thought of having to tell some outspoken Karen back home that she can't preach next Sunday.
The vote was close.
In order to change the Constitution, it requires a two-thirds majority vote.
The vote failed 61.45% were for the banning of women preachers, and 38.38% were against the banning of female, quote, pastors.
What a sad day.
It's really a tragic day.
It's devastating.
The nation's largest evangelical denomination cannot hold to the specifics of Scripture.
And you know what that means?
It means that the Bible can be twisted.
If the Bible can be twisted, if it can be confused, if confused men can make excuses to convince themselves through mental gymnastics that it doesn't really mean what it says, then gay marriage and sodomy are right around the corner making excuses for that.
Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but someday.
Just ask the un-united Methodists, and they can tell you, I do not permit a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man.
Rather, she is to remain quiet.
For Adam was formed first, then Eve, and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor.
1 Timothy 2, verse 12 through 14.
That may not be popular in today's culture where we worship women, The saying is trustworthy.
If anyone aspires to the office of overseer, if he desires a noble task, therefore an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach.
1 Timothy 3, verses 1 through 2.
This is why I left you in Crete, so that you might put what remained into order and appoint elders in every town as I directed you.
If anyone is above reproach, the husband of one wife, and his children are believers and are not open to the charge of debauchery or insubordination, for an overseer, as God's steward, must be above reproach.
He must not be arrogant or quick-tempered or a drunkard or violent or greedy for gain, but hospitable, a lover of good, self-controlled, upright, holy, and disciplined.
He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it.
Titus 1, verses 5 through 9.
All right.
Those who contradict it.
So some of these men voting to allow women pastors are actually now unqualified.
They're now unqualified to be overseers themselves.
It's not complicated.
It's there as clear as day.
The husband of one wife.
Church offices for men.
But the fact that the SBC can't affirm the truth of Scripture as a collective likely means it will walk the path of other heretical denominations because some conservative churches will choose to leave, making the denomination more liberal.
And eventually, as the progressives inch out victory after victory, There won't be any difference between the Southern Baptist Convention and this.
Hi kids!
It's Miss Kate!
You might have noticed that our church's building is looking super fancy this week.
It's because we're all dressed up because June is when Boston celebrates Pride Month.
Now some of you child Bible scholars may be scratching your head because didn't we learn that Pride was not a good thing in the Bible?
To which I would say, good memory!
The word pride, like many words in English, has multiple meanings.
One meaning of pride, the one that the Apostle Paul warns against in the Bible, is about thinking you're better than others, having an unusually high opinion of your own worth or importance.
This kind of pride is held by people who have privilege, power, or wealth.
This kind of pride pushes others down as you push yourself up.
Another meaning of the word pride is about a group of humans who have experienced discrimination and injustice having a sense of confidence and solidarity in themselves and celebrating their shared identity, history, and experience.
This kind of pride is about self-respect, despite being discriminated against.
This kind of pride lifts up an entire community.
That is exactly what we are celebrating today at Old South Church.
Did you know that it used to be illegal to be gay in the United States?
It was very dangerous to be openly queer.
The first U.S. state to change their laws on this matter was the state of Illinois in 1961.
In 1969, the New York City police unjustly raided the Stonewall Inn where the queer community had gathered and people started protesting the unfairness of these kinds of laws.
A year later, the first Pride March was held in the very same place on Christopher Street.
The United States has come a long way since then, but life can still be quite hard, legally and socially, for people in the LGBTQIA plus community.
In Massachusetts, queer people have had the right to marry for 20 years, but the United States Supreme Court only affirmed this right for the rest of the country in 2015.
It's tough to navigate all these different laws and all these different states when what the community is asking for is simply the right to live as you are with the same rights as straight people.
That's not at all the truth, though, is it?
That's not at all what people are asking for.
They're asking to literally take over our entire country, our entire nation, everywhere from small towns, rural towns to urban towns.
That's where we're at.
And in the meantime, you've got the Southern Baptist Convention that can't seem to get the message.
No pun intended.
They can't seem to push back against...
I mean, it's frustrating.
We've seen it in other denominations, too, and denominations can fight, and there are going to be people that are going to stay and try to fight this, obviously.
But literally, the world is burning around us, and you've got people in the Southern Baptist denomination that are like, you know, I think we need to keep women pastors.
It's absolutely nuts.
We'll pick up more with that video here in a moment, but I couldn't handle it anymore.
We're going to talk more about this terrible, terrible, no good day.
I posted earlier that video, earlier in the day, I posted that video and I said, this will be the SBC. I'll just go ahead and throw it up there.
Right now for everybody to see.
It was actually a video from Woke Preacher Clips.
Great follow-over on X. I said, this will be the SBC in 10-20 years because they failed to vote for the law amendment.
Feminism has duped so many men.
That's exactly right.
And we have some replies here from people I'm interacting with.
We have Rick.
The SBC is an illusion that lets us believe the American church is still strong and isn't.
The truth is reflected in our faithless leaders and impotent churches.
Judgment begins with a household of God and it has come.
Find a faithful church and let the denominations burn.
Interesting.
Let's see.
Let's see.
Today's...
Somebody says, how would the law amendment fix that?
Her title isn't pastor, it's director.
Did they want all women out of leadership completely?
Oh no.
Oh boy, you missed the point respectfully.
No, I'm talking about sodomy.
I'm talking about accepting gays.
That's what we're talking about here.
You don't want to admit what the scripture says about women and men concerning church office, so you're not going to care about what the scripture says about homosexuality.
You know, LGBT indoctrinator who needs a milestone around her neck that we just saw when she talks about the Apostle Paul, talks about pride, this type of pride.
Well, what else did the Apostle Paul say?
Yeah, he said that men and women exchange their natural relations for unnatural relations because they worship the creature instead of the creator.
They exchange the truth of God for a lie.
Oh, man.
Unbelievable.
Let's check in, though, with some more.
So this was the devastating vote tally.
William Wolfe, Center for Baptist Leadership.
Go follow him again.
He says it is devastating.
We have some follow-up.
Ben Ziesloft, here's his...
When it came in earlier today, they needed two-thirds majority.
They didn't get it.
I mean, you still have a huge amount of people that are wanting to do the right thing here that are standing up for Scripture.
Then we have this.
There's so much to say.
Now, this is huge news.
This was apparently on a secret ballot.
There's so much to say, but I absolutely believe this.
The fact that the law amendment failed by 4% on a secret ballot shows that the fight for the SBC is still on.
It comes down to turnout.
3,185 people just made a decision for 13 to 14 million Southern Baptists.
If we had just 700 conservative messages, we would have won.
It's time to take it to the people in the pews of the SBC. Ben Zizloff saying, though, that if the SBC amendment had passed, that would have caused liberal churches to leave, which would have been a good thing.
But since the SBC amendment failed, conservative churches will leave instead.
Then the SBC will become more liberal, meaning institutional evangelism becomes more liberal.
Lord, have mercy.
yeah, the, the, the Presby's are waiting for you.
Okay, to be clear, now listen, William Wolfe again, the written ballot vote maneuver against the law amendment worked exactly how the platform planned.
So they allowed these messengers to vote in secret.
This is an unrecorded vote.
They allowed these people to vote on this in secret.
Now that, ladies and gentlemen, is a crime.
That is deception.
That is...
Excuse me.
That is a complete lack of transparency, and the only reason you do it is because you don't want the representatives at the convention that are there representing 13 to 14 million pew-sitters and the Southern Baptists back home, you don't want those ministers to be held accountable by their congregations.
That is the only way.
That is the only reason That's even worse.
That means that the leadership of the Southern Baptists apparently is compromised, if this is the vote that they set up, to allow people to vote in secret what they really believe in their hearts, but they don't want their congregations to find out back home.
That may not be everybody, but that certainly is a lot of people.
William Wolfe here is right.
I would bet money on it that he is right.
Had this been a public vote, had it been recorded, had the ministers had to go home and explain to their congregation why they voted not to ban, then they would have likely caved and said, you know what, I'm going to vote because I know this is what the people want.
They don't want women.
We're at a time in our society where the church is being attacked on all sides, and it's time that we...
We call out the idol for what it is, and it's feminism.
And feminism started on us on this path.
Now we don't even know what a woman is because we gave women the right to murder their babies without being prosecuted for it.
Because the idol always fails you.
The devil always has fine print, rewrites the deal, and now all of these...
Anyway, I've said this a million times.
Sorry, I'm choking this evening.
So, to be clear, the written ballot maneuver against the law amendment worked exactly how the platform...
How is the SBC any different than these voice votes that take place in so many committees?
They take place...
I'm talking about secular politicians.
I mean, I railed against it for years and years in my home state, and I don't think it ever actually got changed.
But in committees, it drove me nuts.
When I found out, when I was 10, 15 years ago, whenever that was, I started covering Arkansas politics specifically.
It absolutely drove me nuts.
It drove me insane when I found out that committees can pass or fail pieces of legislation by just doing a voice vote and never actually recording it.
You're never recording it on record so that the people, when they go into the ballot box to vote for their representative next time, they have every bit of information they possibly can on how their representative represented them in their name.
Like, how did you vote on this bill here or that bill there in committee?
Because committees are actually where the legislation lives or dies.
If it doesn't get past the committee, it doesn't go to the floor, it doesn't go to the other chambers committee, it doesn't go to that floor, it doesn't get signed by the executive.
And, I mean, I railed against it.
You know, it was the legislator's prerogative.
It was the committee chairman's prerogative, in many cases, whether or not to do a recorded vote, other than just a yay or a nay voice vote, which is subjective anyway.
How are the Southern Baptists any different than that?
How are they any different?
Say, a secret ballot on an issue like this?
My goodness.
I mean, it's shameful because they're all supposed to be, you know, they're the church.
They're the visible representation of Christ's church, the Southern Baptists, and they're allowing a secret ballot, according to William Wolfe, and saying that there was a plan.
He's insinuating here that there was a plan, that they gave people a chance to vote in secret.
A public vote would have carried it.
Dreamer writing, God doesn't like Shady.
Or Luke says, a guy named Luke Lindsay, he says, or it would have at least publicly exposed all the people that voted against it.
Your convention is now defunct to just weak men holding on to tradition at this point going forward.
Texiteer writing that.
My goodness.
This is a terrible day.
I was stoked yesterday.
If you'll remember on the program, I was pretty excited about the idea of the largest evangelical denomination.
And again, I'm not a Southern Baptist.
I was still stoked at the idea of the largest evangelical denomination that holds to the gospel, the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ, that Jesus Christ saves sinners, that they were about to reject feminism, they were about to reject the infiltration of the church by the culture, they were about to reject the infiltration of the church by the culture, they were about to rebuke these churches that can't find the gumption to stand on the
they can't find the gumption, they are habitually apologizing for what scripture says, or they're giving people a gospel, they're giving people the word of God, That's watered down because they don't think they can take it, because they're embarrassed, because they don't believe it themselves, because they don't want to have honest conversations with people, because they feel like they need to apologize for God.
They feel like they somehow are more compassionate than God himself.
And the fact that we were about to, we collectively as Christians, that there was going to be a refutation of that, a rebuke of that.
of that.
I was really excited for that.
And now I'm just angry, quite honestly.
More from William Wolfe again.
He's the executive director of Center for Baptist Leadership, former Trump administration official as well.
Breaking Southern Baptist Reject Proposal.
This is the AP. Now, he says this.
Don't let the law amendment vote demoralize you.
The majority of messengers supported it.
Yeah, that's true.
Let this incite you to stay and fight, not flee.
Okay.
I just don't know if people are going to do that.
People are so disgusted.
I mean, it comes down...
Look, the temptation is...
Here's the rub.
I mean, if they are ignoring—and we read the Scripture to you earlier.
I mean, it's very, very clear.
The standard of church office—and we haven't even talked about deacons, but that's a whole other thing for them.
I get it.
But just specifically with elders, for men only.
Okay?
It's very clear.
It's right in there.
Husband of one wife.
Right there.
As I say, wives of one husband.
So we take the Bible for what it says, or what it means, literally, in this context, you know, in the proper hermeneutic or whatever.
But you've got messengers there.
That's the word for, you know, basically delegate in the Southern Baptist.
They're voting, and you've got a lot of people right now who are demoralized, and they're sitting down and they're realizing, wait.
Wait.
We're not really a united denomination.
I mean, we've got other men amongst this fellowship that are brainwashed by the culture, so much so that they are willing to twist scripture or excuse it or ignore it.
Well, it doesn't mean that.
It doesn't mean what it really says.
I mean, how can you go forward?
This is what's going through their minds.
How do you go forward with people like this?
So, I mean, yeah, it's going to be tough to get people to stay and fight because...
Because it's just...
I mean, it just makes people want to vomit.
It just makes people want to flee, to want to...
Alright, we're just going to...
I mean, they're already...
Look, the Southern Map is very loose compared to other church polities.
It's already very loose.
There's very rarely anything that's ever binding.
And that's one of the reasons why this is...
There may be that contingent of people in there to actually have some...
Because they're very much about...
They're very...
They totally reject any...
Most hierarchy, right?
The local church is autonomous, and there really isn't any other—so this is an attempt to take their Baptist faith and message and actually make it binding.
The part's about men only being pastors, making it binding, and there's people that have an allergy to that.
So there could be also a component of just fundamental structural deficiencies in the polity.
But anyway, I don't know.
You guys sound off and tell me what you think.
I mean, you've got this guy here saying, again, this Rick guy saying, look, find a local church.
The denominations are meaningless.
Find a faithful church.
Let the denominations burn.
I'm not on board with that necessarily, specifically, but I understand people who believe that.
I understand people who feel that way because of days like this.
Because of days like this.
I absolutely do.
Let's pick up with this.
They took the vote today, and it failed.
Yesterday, there was a First Baptist Church of Alexandria, Virginia, a senior pastor by the name of Robert Stevens, Who comes to the microphone and says, Hey man, we ordained our first female pastor back in 1980, and no harm, no foul.
I saw this, and this again, hat tip to protest.
He had to share this with you.
Robert Stevens, I'm the senior pastor and messenger of First Baptist Church of Alexandria.
The role of women in ministry at First Alexandria is not a recent development.
It's not a cultural concession or a change to accommodate or sacrifice biblical authority.
In 1980, we ordained our first female pastor.
And since then, we have ordained two other females to the work of the gospel ministry.
Alright, we've got to back up here just for a second.
Women have had a prominent...
One second.
We have to back up here to the beginning of this.
What did he say?
Cultural concession.
A messenger of First Baptist Church of Alexandria.
The role of women in ministry at First Alexandria is not a recent development.
It's not a cultural concession or a change to accommodate or sacrifice biblical authority.
Just because you've not been following Scripture for longer than everybody else doesn't necessarily mean it's not sacrificing Scriptural authority.
It also doesn't necessarily mean that it wasn't a cultural concession.
More on cultural concessions In 1980 we ordained our first female pastor and since then we have ordained two other females to the work of the gospel ministry as late as 2008.
Women have had a prominent role within the ministry and pastoral positions within the leadership of First Alexandria for over 44 years.
First Alexandria stands before you today as a testament that we can maintain a fruitful partnership with churches that take a different stance on women and ministry.
For 44 years, we have continued our partnership with this convention, engaging in Kingdom work while having females as pastor.
So after this, there was a vote to disaffiliate this particular church from Alexandria.
And I know...
I don't know if you have to have the two...
I don't know.
There were 600 that voted against them getting kicked out.
But see, Rick Warren's church...
Here's the rub.
This is why people thought the law amendment was going to pass.
And it almost did, but Rick Warren's church, Saddleback Church, was associated with the Southern Baptist Convention until last year.
They were kicked out.
Why?
Because of their, you know, women pastors.
They were kicked out.
So people thought, oh yeah, this is going to work.
We're going to do it.
We're going to, you know, we're going to make this binding.
Um...
Cultural concession.
So, they've been ordaining women since 1980.
Oh man, this will just tell you the feminism...
Feminist creed.
So, you know, 1980, they've ordained their first woman pastor in 1980, and they say, but it's not a cultural concession, or how did he phrase it?
It's not a recent development.
It's not a cultural concession or a change to accommodate or sacrifice biblical authority.
Okay, so here's the deal, and this is not...
Gospel.
But I would say, no pun intended, I would say anything post Roe vs.
Wade is a cultural concession concerning women's rights.
You could probably take it back to the 60s, the bra burning, Woodstock.
You could take it back to there.
But I would for sure, anything post-1973...
Anything after 73, where they gave women the right to murder, and then seven years later, the Baptist Church in Alexandria, Virginia, oh, what a, you know, yeah, right, yeah.
They're ordaining women.
That is a cultural concession.
I don't know how to make it any clearer.
I think I've said it a thousand times by now.
If you've given women the right to murder their children without being prosecuted for it, you've created a special class.
Women are better than everybody else.
And you say, well, what do you mean?
Well, they can murder without getting prosecuted for it.
So they're clearly better.
They're clearly more privileged.
Do you know of any other class that just can go around murdering people and there's nothing the state can do because of some right to my body, my choice?
No, you don't.
So we created this special class.
And so the idea that you've given women the right to murder, which is a much bigger sin than having a woman as a clergyman or a clergy person or a pastrix, right?
No.
Murder, that's high up on the list.
Yes, everybody sins.
All sin separates us from God.
That's true.
But there are different degrees of sin, which is why homosexuality or sodomy is called an abomination, for example.
You know, men dressing up as women and vice versa also, I believe, is called an abomination.
Anyway, there are different degrees of severe sin.
There's sin that is just between you and God.
Then there's sin that is against God but also harms another person.
There's all kinds of ways to look at it, right?
It is a cultural concession, though.
Anything after 73 is a cultural concession, specifically if we're talking about women's rights.
And this is why the church couldn't stand up to it then.
And yeah, I'm not saying that there were clergymen saying, well, you have the right to murder your baby, so I'm going to...
No, but it's the subconscious.
It's literally...
It's the infiltration of feminism.
It's accepting these false presuppositions, these lies, accepting these lies of culture, accepting these lies that go against the created order of men and women and traditional roles, and it just creeps in, right?
And you accept it in ways that you don't.
You've got first wave, second wave, third wave feminism.
There are aspects of feminism, I'm sure that I have accepted that I'm not even aware of because of the programming and the brainwashing of our culture today.
Likewise for women.
There are conservative women, or some people call them trad women, that when you really kind of push in, there's a lot of Republican women that are actually just as pro-choice as they can be.
But then there's other aspects where they've accepted this feministic idea, and if you push them too far, then it really comes out, right?
And you say, oh, wow, okay.
You really are a woman, and you can roar.
But yeah, Protestia does a good job here of bringing this to light.
A great follow on X, First Baptist Church of Alexandria, Virginia.
Anyway, it is a cultural concession, and that's what I want you to understand.
This is all about mission creep, and the mission creep has crept into our churches, crept into the mainline denominations.
And these churches that accept women clergy, they eventually get set on the path to accept something called side B theology.
Side B theology has to do with the LGBTers where you can say, well, I am a gay Christian, but I'm going to be celibate.
And then any church, any mainline denomination that accepts that, eventually accepts what's called side A.
And these are church terms, but I don't know why.
I don't know who created them, but which is just the full gay mirage is good.
Sodomy is fine.
You can act on your urges.
Everything's fine.
Right.
We're going to totally ignore.
And what does it all come down to?
It comes down to whether or not you believe the Bible says what it actually says.
Does it really say that women can't be pastors?
Does it really say that homosexuality is wrong?
Does it really say that marriage is between a man and a woman?
And once you start to chip away here or there...
You're given over.
Your denomination is given over.
You don't like the standard of God.
You don't like His Word.
Well, guess what?
The rest of it, if you follow it, it's actually for your own good because the Lord wants what is best for us and doesn't want us to go down the path of darkness and sin.
We've gone way over.
We're going to take a break.
Don't go anywhere.
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So we're going through the fallout of the Southern Baptist Convention today.
They failed to pass the law amendment.
They failed to pass a constitutional amendment that would ban women pastors.
We're going through the fallout.
A few things happened yesterday that I do want to talk about, though.
One of them was there was an amendment offered to secure or stand up for religious liberty.
And I think this is directly related to the, people talk about the dangers of Christian nationalism, but the bill, the anti-Semitism bill that would have created these speech monitors on college campuses that would essentially make the parts of the New Testament where it talked about the Jews plotted to kill Jesus after Christ would embarrass them, after Christ would rebuke them, you know, he would perform a miracle, then they plotted to kill him from that day forward.
It's all throughout the New Testament.
And people talk about the dangers of Christian nationalism.
Some people have said that that bill was full-on Jewish nationalism.
And I tend to agree with it.
I tend to agree with it.
And I think, honestly, I think the bigger problem than any sort of, you know, quote, rise in anti-Semitism in this country is the rise in anti-Christian bias.
And the media tells you it's anti-Semitism, but the truth is it's actually anti-Christian bias is what's really on the rise in this country.
That's the truth.
But he says that David Mitts, William Wolf says David Mitts just offered an amendment to the Religious Liberty Resolution clarifying that Southern Baptists reject any legislation that would make the Holy Bible hate speech.
Amazingly, the platform is rejecting that as an unfriendly amendment.
So much for religious liberty.
An unfriendly amendment.
Here was some of the back and forth on that.
Fellow messengers, Jeff Wright, Midway Baptist Church, Cookville.
Maybe not back and forth.
Which state, please?
I'm sorry?
The state?
Oh, Tennessee.
My apologies.
This brother's offered us helpful counsel.
I can't imagine anyone in this room wants to break with our healthy Baptist tradition.
But I would note our chairman just cited the U.S. Constitution, which is not equivalent to the Baptist tradition.
Those are not the same thing.
The language we have is a free church and a free state, not a free temple or a free mosque or whatever else you would substitute for that.
That is fantastic.
That goes right in line with a lot of what we were talking about two, three weeks ago about constitutioning harder or the Daniel chapter 3 depiction of the Nebuchadnezzar statue.
Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego must bow down to it, but instead of bowing down, they refuse.
I mean, the meme that they replaced the statue with the U.S. Constitution, right?
That is a huge...
The fact that this debate even be had is encouraging.
Again, with all of the discouragement, it's encouraging.
What was this guy's name again?
And so we as a people...
Fellow messengers, Jeff Wright, Midway Baptist Church...
Alright, Midway Baptist Church out of Tennessee, a guy named Jeff Wright, okay?
Yeah, I think...
Yes, okay.
I think on Twitter before...
I think I follow him on Twitter.
We will now proceed to vote.
So we as a people have to walk a road between two ditches, which is not equivalent to the balance to break with our healthy Baptist tradition.
But I would note our chairman just cited the US Constitution, which is not equivalent to the Baptist tradition.
Those are not the same thing.
The language we have is a free church and a free state, not a free temple or a free mosque or whatever else you would substitute for that.
And so we as a people have to walk a road between two ditches, denying the goodness of our Baptist tradition and also on the other side, yielding grounds to those who would substitute religious diversity In the place of actual religious freedom.
And so our brother has given us a good road map to walk between those two ditches and I heartily, as a Baptist who loves our tradition, encourage my fellow messengers to follow his guidance.
Thank you.
So the question before you is on the proposed amendment to the resolution.
We will now proceed to vote.
A vote in favor is a vote asking to amend the resolution in the way displayed on the screen.
Alright, so there you see it.
We resolve that we steadfastly oppose all legislation that would designate any portion of the Holy Bible as hate speech.
Or impose any restriction on proclaiming God's word or otherwise stifle the religious liberty of Southern Baptists.
As many of you as are in favor of amending the resolution in this way, would you please lift your ballots?
Thank you, you may lower them.
As many as are opposed, would you please lift your ballots?
Thank you, you may lower them.
Those opposed have it and the motion is lost.
We will now proceed back to the question of resolution two.
So they couldn't make it happen.
5A, will you please state your name, your church, and your request.
My name is Dusty Deavers.
I am a messenger from Grace Reform Baptist Church of Elgin, Oklahoma.
I'm also a senator.
I'm just looking back to the previous vote and I'm asking for a point of order and a division of the room.
So that is Dusty Devers.
Dusty Deavers ran a Christian nationalist campaign in the state of Oklahoma.
He was elected as a state senator there at a special election last year.
He's proposed bills in the state of Oklahoma to ban no-fault divorce, ban pornography, really a lot of great stuff.
He's also a Southern Baptist pastor, and he takes to the floor and says, I don't like how you guys just tallied that vote just then.
And so, let's see what happens.
It's not a point of order, but the motion is in order at this time.
And so we're going to vote on your question of calling a division of the House.
Let me explain this to you.
What we're doing is we're asking whether the vote that we just took was clearly called and whether we wish to ballot in another way.
No.
Okay, so we're going to start with just having a vote where instead of raising your ballots, you stand.
And so as many as are in favor of adopting the amendment to the resolution, would you indicate by standing, if you're able?
How do they know who's even a voter?
Is everybody in there authorized to vote?
Please be seated.
Stand at ease for a moment.
It's a big room.
I have no idea what the cameras showed.
I mean, you know what I mean?
There's a lot we're not even seeing.
We still think that the majority are those who are opposed and that the amendment is lost.
However, you do have the option, if you wish, to move to call for us to take a marked ballot vote, if that's your intention.
At that point, we would collect ballots, we would send them back to the tellers for a count.
So, microphone five, is that your wish?
Can we recognize microphone five to respond?
So moved.
Okay.
All right, so I think...
Is there a second?
Okay.
All those in favor of ordering a ballot vote, would you indicate by saying aye?
Aye!
All opposed, say nay.
Aye!
Let's do that by lifting our ballots.
All those in favor of marking the ballot...
All right, anyway, I know it eventually failed, so...
This, uh...
People say, well, why would you have...
I mean, are you surprised now that they failed?
I mean, they barely failed.
I mean, they needed two-thirds vote, and they didn't get it.
What was the actual...
Let me just remind you, if you're just joining us, they failed to ban women pastors.
Yeah, 61 to 38.
That whole raise your fan thing, how do you know?
There's obviously people in there that are not delegates, right?
You would assume that there are some people sitting in there that are not even...
I don't even know how you police something like that.
But anyway, you know what?
This is just right in line.
The average pew sitter, just like the average constituent, you have these big institutions and you see a procedure play out like that and you think to yourself...
How are we actually getting any representation at all?
At least that's what I think.
That's how I feel about it.
We also have...
Okay, we've got more on this.
I'm going to skip that right now because we're running out of time.
And I wanted to get to this.
This was on Twitter.
This next post was universally...
It's just panned.
It was absolutely panned.
There was protestia writing...
Because in light of all this, this was yesterday, they had this vote coming up to ban women pastors.
Again, they failed to do it.
And then they have the closing prayer.
They allow this woman to get up there and do a closing prayer, which Protestia points out is not really a prayer at all.
They say this is a super dispensational woman that is a mystical Christian Zionist.
Instead of a prayer, she offers some sort of mystical Christian Zionism sermon while wearing the symbol of a false religion all disguised as a, quote, prayer.
She's wearing the Star of David around her neck.
And this was, at least on Twitter, a lot of people said, I just couldn't believe this, how tone-deaf this was.
But again, this might also explain why the amendment to the Religious Freedom Declaration saying, look, this is about freedom of churches, not about mosques, not about temples.
Maybe that's the real problem going on in the Southern Baptists.
Avinu Malkinu, our father and our king.
The smallest, yet greatest word in any language is I am.
The smallest, since it represents me, yet the greatest, since it is the personal name of the eternal God, creator of heaven and earth.
It is in your name, great I am, the one who is eternal, the one I call Adonai, that I pray to you today.
You, Adonai, So yeah, this was not a prayer.
This was some sort of sermon, and a lot of people hated it.
A lot of Southern Baptists were like, what is going on here?
There's actually a really funny video.
That I saw earlier with people panting it.
Anyway, oh, sorry.
I've doubled myself up.
Forgive me.
We also have this.
And one of the things we talked about on Monday is we wanted to highlight the Southern Baptists in the light of all this convention.
And we wanted to highlight the Southern Baptist Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission and how they were trying to prevent the manifesto, the Audrey Hale manifesto, from leaking.
And they were basically on the side of the FBI.
And we talked about on Monday how Brent Leatherwood, the head of the ERLC, tends to, oh, I don't know how you say this, sanitize regime rhetoric so that Christians sit on their hands and don't organize and don't actually do anything about the presence of the occupied government that's currently ruling over us right now.
which essentially is furthering their plan to put Christians in boxcars.
Dan, this is Dan Darling, says, let's see, which is an interesting thing to say while the same time the ERLC is hosting an event detailing their record number of public comments in opposition to Biden's rulemaking.
This comes from Megan Basham.
So the Daily Wire's beat reporter gave a speech at like a lunch conference for the SBC and And she basically exposed the ERLC as taking large donations, large donations from left-wing groups funded by George Soros, offering keynote at the Baptist Leaders and Founders Ministry event.
Going hard on SBC's public policy arm, the ERLC. Large crowd here plotting her attacks on ERLC as being two left-wing pro-Democrats.
Anti-ERLC motions were made in business session yesterday morning.
They're wanting to discontinue the ERLC. At least that was a motion that was made.
William Wolf says, Dan, the ERLC just got exposed in front of thousands of Southern Baptists for taking hundreds of thousands of dollars from anti-Christian progressive donors for years now.
I would sit this one out.
I'm bringing all of this news to light because I want you to understand the multifaceted infiltration that has happened.
Yes, you have those who are in the largest evangelical denomination in the country who have been brainwashed by feminism, been brainwashed by the culture.
They probably saw that Super Bowl He Gets Us ad, which was essentially apologizing for sin, not giving people the biblical Jesus, It just so happens that Jesus perfectly conforms to post-World War II liberalism where everything goes, anything goes.
What a coincidence.
A lot of these people probably think that that's an add to really reach people.
We've got to water down who Jesus is.
We can't really tell them about their sin.
There are those people.
Then there is the other arm.
Then there's the corrupt leadership.
Then there's the people, you know, the former head of the SBC, now the head of Christianity Today, which is really more about paganism today, or apologizing for paganism today, Russell Moore, who was a useful and Rob Reiner slandering Christians who believe in Jesus and want to vote and want to change their country, as calling all of them Christian nationalists, which is obviously not a bad thing, but they're, you know, Russell Moore, David French, these people...
I would put people like Brent Leatherwood in that category.
The problem is you've got the people that are brainwashed by the culture, then you've got the people at the top who want the culture's approval.
You've got people who are duped into saying, we've got to capitulate to try to save sinners, and I think their intentions are good, but they're completely misguided, and they know so much that's not true.
And then you've got the people at the top who say, no, you know, when I'm at the cocktail party, I'd like for people to say that, oh, Brent's cool.
He's not like one of those Christians.
They want a cultural seat at the table.
It's the same thing that the church went through in the 1920s and the 1930s, or many of them did, with liberal theology, trying to say, yeah, I mean, I'm not one of those Christians that believes in the virgin birth.
I'm not one of those Christians that believes in the miracles of Jesus.
But yeah, Jesus was real and historical, but I mean, you know, people who doubted the resurrection, that sort of thing.
I mean, it was complete nonsense, but they were only doing it because of the perceived rise in science, the perceived rise in, you know, the We're the same as we've always been.
We're sinners and we need a supernatural savior.
So, the infiltration of not just the SBC, but of all denominations, but specifically talking about the SBC, the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission of the Southern Baptist Convention is one of those key prongs.
They're taking left-wing money.
Megan Basham exposed it.
If I ever get the video, I'll play it for you.
They're taking left-wing money, and guess what?
They sit on their hands on the Tranafesto, right?
They applaud the passing of the more money to Ukraine so innocent Ukrainians can be dragged away from their families and sent into the meat grinder and be completely obliterated by Russia.
The Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission of the SBC literally supporting World War III and nuclear war by applauding, finally we got the funding for Ukraine.
Because they are...
I mean, they just don't understand what time it is.
They accept the lies of the left.
Why do they accept the lies of the left?
Because they're taking the money from the left.
That's why.
That's what's going on here.
Wild stuff.
Megan Basham saying, this and Dan Darling's post, which seem to be a response to my speech, are frankly irresponsible.
Why would you declare that you stand with the ERLC without an understanding of the evidence that they have been engaged in influence selling within the SBC? If there is hard evidence of this, why would you issue a knee-jerk statement of I stand with them?
Shouldn't you ask first, what is the evidence?
Do I agree that they have been behaving unethically?
Do I have a problem with them partnering with hard-left, pro-abortion and pro-LGBT secular foundations?
Simply making statements of solidarity suggests you are not interested in ethical accountability.
You're interested in supporting the power brokers no matter what.
This is why there was a resolution to basically disband the ERLC, abolish the ERLC, because they're partnering with pro-gay, pro-LGBT, And you know what?
Maybe that's why Brent Leatherwood didn't want Audrey Hale's trans manifesto released so Christians would wake up and realize that transgenders are not victims.
They're prone to violence and they're prone to attack Christians because Christians are standing up and are trying to save children by banning transgenderism.
That's all the time that we have for today.
We've talked the entire hour about the Southern Baptist failure to ban women pastors.
Any more developments that come our way, we'll bring them to you.
But we really appreciate you watching.
We really appreciate you listening to the Millstone Report.
And just remember that with all of this, in all of this, the bad, the good, things seem dark.
God is always in control, even in the midst of disappointing news, to say the least.
My name is Paul Harrell.
God bless everybody out there watching.
And we will see you, unless I'm providentially hindered, we're going to see you tomorrow.
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