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June 6, 2024 - Stew Peters Show
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Millstone Report w Paul Harrell: God Is SAVING LGBTQ Sinners, George Carneal: From Queer To Christ
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Rainbow Gestapo, the goose-stepping gay lobby, all of that stops right now.
Stare at the sun just for kicks all by myself.
I lose track of time, so I might be past my prime.
People say we need to, you know, make America great again.
I completely agree.
We may need to make Gallows great again.
Oh my, I feel just like I don't try.
I look so good I might die.
All I know is everybody loves me.
Look down, sway into my own sound.
Flashes in my face now.
All I know is everybody loves me.
Literally so many people that need to have a millstone put around their neck and tossed into the sea.
Everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody.
Woo! .
Hello, ladies and gentlemen.
Welcome to the Millstone Report.
Happy Thursday to everybody out there.
Always great to have you with us.
My name is Paul Harrell, and we got a great show for you today.
Yesterday, and also on Monday, we urge you to take some time and to pray for a random member of the LGBTQ enclave that maybe you don't know.
Pray for the ones you do know, but...
My suggestion was to notice the next time you're on X or whatever platform and you see a member of the Rainbow Mafia commenting about gay rights and saying so much that they know that's really not true.
Write their name down.
Commit to praying for them in the month of June, right?
Anytime they pop in your head, maybe put them on your refrigerator.
Pray for their repentance.
Pray for their faith in Jesus Christ and that he would save them from their abominable lifestyles and take them off this path to hell that That they're on.
Yesterday we also played a portion of Pastor Jamie Bambrick's podcast where he interviews Rosaria Butterfield.
As many of you know, Rosaria was a lesbian who's now a Christian and has an amazing testimony about how God used a pastor and his family to lovingly, without compromising the truths of Scripture, lead her to the truth.
And she's now the wife of a Presbyterian minister.
So this got me thinking about Pride Month, and we've, I think, talked about this every day since, you know, June 3rd.
This is a month where Christian fathers and mothers have repeatedly, they have to shield their children from gay corporations, gay government agencies, and even from the Main Street Pride parades that have infested small-town America.
But in fact, I think one of the best things that we as Christians can do this month, in particular, is It's to highlight those who were trapped in the sexual sin of our age, but were set free because of Jesus Christ and His great mercy and grace.
And one of those believers is a man named George Carneal.
George Carneal is author of a book called From Queer to Christ.
On his website it says he grew up in the 70s and was raised a Southern Baptist minister in the ultra-conservative Bible Belt.
For years he struggled with his Christian faith and a same-sex attraction.
George Wood eventually spent 25 years immersed in the homosexual lifestyle, mostly in the Los Angeles club scene.
His story is not about glamorizing the life he once lived.
It's merely his journey and what he learned along the way.
Deliverance from bondage is possible.
There is hope in Christ.
And there are people right now who believe the lies of the devil concerning homosexuality who will repent, ladies and gentlemen, and turn to Christ.
I don't know who they are yet, but those people exist right now as I speak.
For more on this, please welcome author of the book, From Queer to Christ, George Carneal, joins us.
George, welcome to the Millstone Report, sir.
Thank you so much for being with us.
Thank you, Paul, for having me on the show.
So, first of all, and I haven't gotten to actually read your book.
I mean, I've read summaries about it, right?
But I've watched several interviews with you, because I know you've been interviewed about this topic many, many times.
Do you find that this is, I mean, out of all months, the month of June, this month where we're inundated with the rainbow, not what it really means, but what the perverted, satanic version of it means, we're free from judgment, right?
Do you find that the month of June is a great month to focus on the testimonies of people like yourself who were saved from their sin, they were saved from this LGBT lifestyle?
Paul, I absolutely believe that it is the right thing to do.
I'll tell you, I hear from gay men from all over the world who will reach out to me and they thank me for sharing my story and they will tell me they're miserable and they want out of that lifestyle, but they don't see how.
And sadly, the mainstream media is silencing voices and squelching our voices like mine and so many others.
And these LGBT individuals who are not finding the satisfaction that they want in that lifestyle don't know that there are people who have successfully gotten out of it.
So I'm so glad that you and so many others are willing to do that.
Well, you know, you have this, it's this aversion, you know, you have people that have, you know, talked about gay conversion therapy and, you know, the media was, you know, they had a whole campaign about that years ago, about how evil that was and how Horrible, you know, the idea.
And then we've had it infiltrate, you know, some woke evangelical churches or some churches that have become woke where they're trying to say, you know, hey, you know, Jesus can deliver you, you know, from this, but he can't really.
You know what I mean?
There's always going to be this, you know, it's not going to be taken away from you fully.
And I just find that to be absolutely ridiculous.
What do you say to that?
I thank God that I didn't have Christians in my life who were woke.
I had Christians who loved me.
They still invested in me.
I trusted them.
And they never backed down speaking the truth of God's Word and love.
They didn't beat the dead horse.
They would still ask me, how's your life?
How are you doing?
And they would check in with me.
And they seemed to genuinely care.
So when they would speak to me about Jesus, I didn't get on the defensive.
It still took me a long time to accept it because, Paul, what a lot of people may not realize is when you realize that So many of us, we want to love and be loved.
And so there's this dilemma.
To be told, well, if you serve God, you have to deny who you are, which means I may grow old alone.
But if you follow through and decide you want to be with someone that you love, then you risk God's wrath.
And it was a real battle.
So when even my father would talk to me about this, he just felt like he was sticking a knife in me and just twisting it.
I felt like nobody understood The bottom line is, I want to love and be loved.
I didn't ask for this.
So I would say to heterosexuals, imagine if God came down and said, you know what?
Heterosexuality is the abomination and homosexuality is the norm.
That's my design now.
And imagine if each of you had to leave your loved ones And go be with someone of the same sex and actually have same sex relations with them.
I know for most of you that's going to disgust you, but imagine then if you came to me crying and saying, God's not changing my feelings.
And I said to you, well, then you don't want to change.
You don't really love God.
You love your sin.
And I was so cold and calloused about it and told you, well, go castrate yourself and go kill yourself.
And yes, there are pastors who've said that to LGBT individuals, and I know them personally.
So if you can put yourself in those shoes, maybe it will help you from that perspective.
Approach this with a little more empathy and compassion.
Because at the end of the day, a drug addict and an alcoholic can still go home and crawl in bed with the person they love.
But to be told that you must leave this lifestyle and that it is an abomination, that's a tough pill to swallow.
And that's why there's so much of a dilemma.
So talk about, I was reading in one of your, or listening in one of your interviews, where hearing the truth of Scripture spoken about this issue, about homosexuality, was maddening to you.
You just talked about, you know, when people talk, it was like a knife, you know, twisting a knife in your back.
Can you talk about when the moment was where you heard the truths of Romans 1 or the truths of Sodom and Gomorrah or Leviticus, where you accepted the truth?
You accepted, no, this is God's design, this is a sin, this is an abomination.
There obviously had to be a transition there where one, it triggered you, and then the other, you came out of it.
So can you tell us how that happened?
Yeah, let me back up for a minute.
So, in the LGBT community, it really is like a cult.
You are bombarded with these cult-like messages, and they take the liberal theologians, who are just jackals to me, who have twisted and perverted God's Word, And they jump on the bandwagon.
And so for 25 years I heard this narrative that, oh, Romans was wrong and they didn't introduce homosexuality in 1946.
And because we're made in God's image, we're male and female.
That means God is transgender and that Jesus was really gay.
He was afraid of homophobia.
That's why he hung out with men.
You hear all of this You're indoctrinated with this garbage.
So after 25 years of being in that lifestyle and I just still couldn't get any peace, a guy I believe put me into a liberal church in Los Angeles and it was a Baptist church and they actually moved to have a class for LGBT individuals and I got excited.
It was nice to be around others who were struggling with this issue because I thought well then I can find a support system.
At one point, Paul, I really got excited because I thought maybe God is going to deprogram me of the lies of the Christian conservatives and that it is okay to be gay and I was hoping God would put a good Christian man in my life because I want to grow old with someone and have someone to serve the Lord with.
But I also prayed to God and said, But God, if it is wrong under all circumstances, if you will help me to know it, I will still serve you.
Because, Paul, I was having a lot of breakdowns by this point.
I couldn't take it anymore.
I didn't know what to believe when it came to God's word.
Thankfully, when I started to sit down and read God's Word for myself, and I saw that the liberal theologians were twisting it and they were lying.
The LGBT activists were lying.
Hollywood and media were sanitizing this lifestyle, which I knew to be a complete, it's such a difficult and dangerous and depressing and destructive lifestyle.
So it really took some time for me to get my head on straight.
And I think with God being patient and deprogramming me, I was able to eventually see the lies and God was able to get me out of it.
That's fascinating.
I want to stop there for a second.
So you feel the need to go to a church where the theology is trying to apologize for God.
It's trying to change what the Word says about homosexuality.
So you feel the need to go there.
And then while you're at the church, while you hear the lies, the twisting of Scripture, you somehow are—the Lord convicts you that this is actually wrong?
Is that what you're saying?
Yes.
Absolutely.
It was a process.
Again, Paul, I would sit in my car so many times, even before church, and I would just beat on the steering wheel.
I was so desperate for my peace of mind.
And I think for most people, until you have spent decades of never having any real peace or joy, I was so desperate to find the truth.
And it was almost like at that point I was ready to wave the white flag and just say, God, I'm not fighting you anymore.
I'm walking away from this lifestyle.
And the only thing I can tell you, Paul, is that when I truly repented of that lifestyle, And I told God I was so sorry, and I meant it too, and repented, and I rededicated my life to Christ and got rebaptized.
All I can tell you is that at that moment, that torment that had been in my head was gone.
And I had already attempted suicide.
I was still depressed and suicidal.
I had battled drugs and alcohol.
I'd been a prostitute at one point.
I had really hit rock bottom in that lifestyle.
But that torment was not only gone, but I had this peace that I can't describe.
It was almost like God just turned me inside and out and with a power washer just cleansed me.
It felt so great.
But Paul, the last thing is that I felt in my spirit, I just knew that God was letting me know that now you and I are good.
I knew I had gotten things right with God and that's why I've been out of that lifestyle for 16 years now.
I've never even kissed a guy since then.
I know you can break free from that bondage and what I lost leaving that lifestyle, God has filled that void in so many other ways.
But it is an abomination and they can twist it any way they like.
They must stop listening to these liberal theologians because they are lying.
And I will tell you in my book, near the end, I take all of those talking points and I debunk that with scripture.
I undo all of the lies.
So if Christians would familiarize yourself with those talking points, then when you are witnessing to the LGBT individuals because they're going to throw them at you, You're now armed and you can lovingly dismantle that and give them the truth of God's word and be patient with them because it is definitely a battle to go through the deprogramming process and realize I've been lied to all these years.
You know, the phrase, I know you've heard this phrase, you know, you love the sinner but you hate the sin, right?
And I feel like that's true, especially on an individual basis, you know, when you're with someone, ministering to them, and whatever their issue, you know, may be, you're trying to be the light of the world.
Then we have these liberal churches that they basically have taken that phrase and they've twisted it to essentially leave people in their sin.
They're telling them, you can have Jesus and your sin at the same time, and there's nothing that, you know, you don't have to repent, right?
You don't have to hate your own sin, right?
And that's a prayer that I have for myself.
It's the Lord, teach me to hate my sin, even the sins that I don't know about yet, right?
Right.
But that being said, I also know for sure, you know, I don't doubt that there are not instances where churches or Christians have, you know, hated, you know, gay people and that sort of thing, you know, gay people and that sort of thing, you know, to a point where it gives them a bad experience.
I know you talk about in your book how you how you felt growing up and everything else.
But I wonder if you feel a little differently about that now in terms of the slippery slope aspect of it, because we've gone a long way from, hey, these two people are gay.
They just want to get married or be recognized by the state and then be left alone.
That's not the leaving alone part.
This is about getting people like me and people like you to heartily approve of these lifestyles.
It's almost like the idea that we may even politely disagree and not say anything.
But the idea that they know that in our minds we disagree or that we're biblical Christians or that we know that we're not going to raise our family this way.
There just seems to be a totalitarian nature of it all.
And I mentioned earlier in the monologue, George, about mothers and fathers having to shield their children.
I've got a young child shielding her from all of this stuff while I can because she's not a sexual person being at all, right?
There's no sexual identity there.
It's an innocence, and it's not the right time yet to even explain about the birds and the bees, much less, I don't know, the birds and the birds or the bees and the bees.
So I guess it has gotten so wicked, it's gotten so bad, and it's no longer about consenting adults.
It's about going after our kids.
And so I feel like the more militant response from not necessarily an individual person, But from a collective society, what we have got to do is stand up and protect our kids.
What are your thoughts on the progression?
You were in the lifestyle for 25 years.
You've been out of it for 16 years.
You probably have the best perspective or a very unique perspective on this slippery slope and where we are today.
Well, that's a lot.
I'll try to make it quick.
No, we've got a long time.
No stress.
I will tell you, growing up and dealing with what I went through with mean-spirited Christians, when I think sometimes, Paul, if someone had just sat me down and asked me in love and I felt I could trust them, are you struggling with something or would you like to talk to me?
And it will be private and confidential.
It would have been nice if I had had a loving Christian allow me to get this stuff out of my head.
Christians are always quick to point out the clobber passages, but where is the hope?
If someone had said, well, look, let's take a look and see what God's Word says about this, but let me give you some hope, because God does love you.
He knew you when He formed you in the womb.
He says that He has plans for us, plans to prosper and not harm us.
That he's invested in you.
And look at what Jesus did on the cross for you.
Who knows if it would have changed the trajectory of my own course, but I had a father who's a pastor.
I was scared to death of what he might say.
My mother as well.
People weren't talking about this.
And then the churches were, for the most part, pretty mean-spirited towards homosexuals.
I come back 20, 30 years later and I go into churches and I say, hey, You know, God has delivered me from this lifestyle, and now we don't agree with that.
We accept it.
We think you're born that way.
It is maddening to me.
It's like I couldn't get acceptance back then.
Now I'm ostracized from the church.
Wow.
Okay, okay, okay.
So I want to repeat what you just said.
Now that is incredible, because that is...
That's kind of taking what I said with the idea, the correction there.
We don't need to be mean-spirited, right?
Yeah, it's a sin that does disgust a lot of people.
People have an ick factor.
It is what it is.
And so as Christians, we have to say, well, we're all sinners here.
There are different degrees, but God can forgive us.
You know, anybody, right?
But what you're saying is incredible to me, George.
You're saying that, so the meanness, then you have basically kind of an overcorrection.
So where you're now been delivered from it, then you go back into a church and they're saying, oh, you know, no, like, you know, you're born that way.
That's incredible what you're saying.
It's maddening.
And Paul, this is the other thing that really ticks me off, and I have to say this.
I have LGBT friends who are still resistant to the gospel, and I love my friends, and I want them to come to know Jesus.
And it really, it's upsetting when I think about it, but they will listen to the liberal theologians, but they will not listen to those of us who are trying to expose the truth.
And I know the hell I went through in that life, and the hell I went through trying to get out of that life.
I discuss it in my book.
It's not X-rated, but I don't sugarcoat it.
But what really ticks me off is these woke Christians who just, they're doing it for their own ego.
It's not that they care about the LGBT individual, because if they listen to the testimonies of the ex-LGBT individuals and what we've been through, they would be mortified to think that they are affirming someone to go into a lifestyle where they're not only not going to find peace, A dangerous and destructive lifestyle, but they are pushing them into further rebellion against God.
And most of all, and the bottom line is this, Jesus died for them.
And I don't want my gay friends dying and going to hell.
And I'm so glad that I had Christians who did speak the truth to me because I shudder to think, Paul, if nobody had bothered to continue massaging me and just helping me to get to the truth of God's Word, Would I be on that path to hell myself?
And I will tell you this so it will give parents hope.
If your children are in that lifestyle and you feel like there's no hope, they've cut you off.
I cut my father off for four years.
I was hardly talking to my family.
But even in the midst of my wickedness, I was out of church.
I told God I hated him.
I hated Christians.
I didn't want anything to do with religion.
But one night I was walking into a gay bar and the Lord turned down everything around me.
I could hear him plainly say in my ear, if you were to die tonight, would you go to hell?
And it stopped me in my tracks.
And even then, I have had to ask God to forgive me because I dismissed him and his voice that night and still went into that gay bar.
And if something had happened to me because, like I said, I was a hustler or a prostitute at one point and I had a very frightening situation, which I got out of.
But I think of all of the scary situations that I was in, and had I been murdered or killed, I shudder to think of where I would be spending eternity.
I'm begging Christians to stop worrying about what people think.
It's not your job to be liked, but give them the gospel and the truth and love.
Plant that seed.
It's not your job to change them.
That's God's job.
He will water it.
And I am where I am today because of faithful Christians who were more worried about offending God than people.
Wow, that's incredible.
And praise God that He continued to pursue you, even though you didn't listen to the voice inside you at the time, but He continued to pursue you, right?
Absolutely.
Because that's what He does.
Man, this is just incredible, just listening to you and your testimony here.
And I just think about, specifically, what I said earlier at the top of the monologue.
You know, the last, or I guess a couple of years ago at this point, you know, it was in the middle of Pride Month that the Roe vs.
Wade decision was overturned, right?
And a lot of people thought that that kind of wrecked Pride Month, which it did.
And so it's in that spirit that I just...
It's like, hey, why don't we try to commit during this month of celebrating debauchery to try to commit to pray for LGBT individuals to repent and turn to Christ and for this to start?
Because I really do believe that that's possible.
And I believe even bigger things than just that are possible.
But I think that's what we as Christians should be doing, especially in the month of June.
When did you decide to write the book?
Again, the book is From Queer to Christ, My Journey into the Light.
I'm going to throw it up here.
The Amazon link is right here.
But when did you decide that you needed to write your testimony down?
And I just want to say this real quickly, Paul.
If people want more information, my website is georgecarneal.com and they'll find links to the book and they'll find a lot of information and on page two, especially exposing a lot of what is going on in the school system and the tyrannical laws that are being passed.
So please check that out.
You'll have a better understanding of what this agenda is really about and what they are pushing.
There was an ex-gay guy who wrote a book years and years ago and I reached out to him because I was having a hard time getting it and during the course of our conversation he asked me about me and I just told him a little bit about my story and Paul he said well you know you have a fundamental duty to share your testimony and I just kind of dismissed him because I'm a very introverted more private person and I thought I'm not going to bear my soul to the world But God clearly had other plans.
And about a year and a half after that conversation, I felt compelled to start writing.
And it was difficult because, you know, when you're bearing your soul for the world, but I thought, you know, God, if it at least helps one gay or lesbian teenager in middle America who feels like they are such a piece of garbage and they're getting ready to commit suicide, I would hope that God would put that book in their hand and help them to see that if he can help me, that there's hope for them.
So that's why I started to write it.
I think that's incredibly, you know, amazing.
We played last, yesterday on the program, we were playing a clip from Rosaria Butterfield, who has, you know, a similar testimony in that she's now a believer in Jesus and she was an academic and, I mean, just her testimony is incredible.
But when she was asked, you know, the question was, you know, how would you minister to somebody today?
Or, you know, if you get the opportunity to minister to a gay friend or a gay family member or something like that, and you come across, like, how would you, you know, what's your advice?
And one of the things she said, George, was she said to not sugarcoat or, I'm paraphrasing, but not sugarcoat your intentions.
Right?
Not sugarcoat your intentions.
And one of the things she said was, and I'd love to get your reaction to this, she said she was talking to somebody who was a Christian but admitted that they struggle with homosexual tendencies, right?
They're not acting on it, but they're in that struggle.
And one of the things she said was, I'm going to pray that I'm going to be at your wedding someday.
I'm going to pray that I'm going to meet your kids someday.
Mm-hmm.
Is that a good thing to say?
That's a hopeful message.
There are people that have done that.
There are people that have come out of it, obviously.
Yeah, that's wonderful.
And that makes me feel good to hear her say that.
I will tell you just from my own personal experience, Paul, I've had a friend well over 20 years that I knew out in LA. He was a gay atheist.
And about a month ago, after years of trying to get it through his thick head, how much he needs to know Jesus and that hell is real.
And he just didn't believe in God at all.
So it really wasn't He's penetrating the cement, but about a month ago he gave his life to Christ.
So it's amazing how God works.
I will tell you another story I knew of two lesbians who went to a church.
They were married.
They expected the pastor to condemn them, but the pastor said, look, we condemn all sin, heterosexual or homosexual, but we are going to speak the truth of God's word and we're going to do it in love and we want you to know that you are welcomed here.
And he didn't beat the dead horse, but those women not only kept going back to the church, But eventually the Holy Spirit started working on them, and they divorced, and they've given their lives to Christ.
So don't tell me that God isn't doing a work.
God has a sense of humor about how He is handling this.
Yeah, He certainly does.
All right, so the state of America, the culture.
I want to talk about that and what we can do about it, what your thoughts are on that when we come back.
If you can stick with us.
We're going to take a quick break and be right back.
We're talking with George Carneal.
He's the author of the book, From Queer to Christ.
And you guys definitely need to check it out.
I think, obviously, from the interview so far, this is fantastic, especially as we are in the midst and during Pride Month.
My name is Paul Harrell.
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We've got a special guest with us.
We've got George Carneal with us.
George is, if you're just joining us, you probably saw the beginning.
Hopefully you've stuck with us this entire hour.
But George is the author of the book, From Queer to Christ.
You can find out more at georgecarneal.com.
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And George was saved by Christ from the gay lifestyle.
And he's back here with us.
George, again, thank you so much for spending time with us today here on the Millstone Report.
Happy to be here.
I wanted to talk a little bit about culture.
I also am going to talk a little more about the woke church.
But what is the path forward civically?
We've talked a lot in the first half hour about the individual opportunities a Christian has to minister and use your relationships, every sphere of influence you have to share the gospel when you get a chance, especially when we're talking about people in this community, this destructive lifestyle.
That is also destroying our communities, because as we said earlier, they're going after our kids, right?
So there's this phrase out there called Christian nationalism that I'm fascinated with.
Some people think that it's a boogeyman phrase.
Some people think that it's...
Some people think that it's going to be used to usher in some sort of fascism.
Some people embrace it and think, hey, it's a lot better than being called Christofascist, so I think maybe we can work with a term like Christian nationalism.
And there's all types of people trying to define it.
The left is trying to define this phrase as they basically put it on the right, and some of the people on the right have embraced it.
They're trying to define this phrase as Heidi Presbola over at MSNBC. If you believe that rights come from God, then you're a Christian nationalist.
Wow!
That's a big one, right?
It's the most broadest term ever.
If you believe in Jesus, you've loved Jesus, then you go vote.
They might as well say, hey, congratulations, you're a Christian nationalism.
What are your thoughts on that phrase?
And I know that may be a loaded question, but I'd love to hear your thoughts.
I'm proud to be a Christian nationalist.
Anything the liberals hate, I want to be the opposite.
I wish I could be Trump's vice president.
While he's running the country, I would gladly work to destroy liberalism.
That would be my main goal.
So Christians, name-calling is all they have.
And I especially want to say this.
For when the activists tell you that whenever you say something they don't agree with, that you're being sexist, racist, bigoted, homophobic, transphobic, and all the other crap that they throw out there, it's just a guilt trip.
I'm not bothered by any of it.
I don't care.
They can call me whatever they want.
Especially when it comes to the trans issue.
One of the things you will hear is that, well, you're not affirming them, so they're going to kill themselves.
The truth of the matter is, is the individuals who are detransitioning will tell you, not only did they have an onslaught of problems to begin with, but once they went down the path of the cross-sex surgeries and the hormones, that they have an onslaught of a whole other set of issues.
And they talk about how we should never have been fast-tracked down this path we should have been given counseling.
And the reason why the suicide rate is so high amongst the transgender individuals has nothing to do with being affirmed.
And I can confirm this because over in Europe where they fully are liberal and accept the LGBT agenda, if you look at the suicide statistics for heterosexuals and then gays and lesbians and then the transgender individuals, they're pretty comparable to those in the U.S. So the trans individuals and their suicide, it has to do with a lot of mental health issues.
And I will say, Paul, there are a remnant of these individuals who have suffered some severe trauma in their childhood.
And they need our prayers and they really need help.
The other ones have just jumped on the bandwagon because it's the thing to do.
But you must push back against this agenda because I've seen the horror stories and know what has happened.
to so many of the trans individuals.
Also, a reason why Christians must really get involved in politics and start being actively involved in getting to the voting booth or running for office is because I said years ago that the end goal was pedophilia.
And I was laughed at.
I was told, oh, you're a conspiracy theorist.
That's never going to happen.
And now people are starting to see that the public is being groomed to believe that a pedophile is a sexual orientation.
If they can get the P or the MAP, minor attracted persons, put under the LGBT umbrella, and they will do it unless God intervenes, If the day comes when men and women who are grown who want to have sex with your children and grandchildren, if you dare to balk at it, you will be arrested for a hate crime.
They're not going to stop until they take every perversion, bestiality, polyamory, you name it, and get it under that umbrella And once they get all of that perversion underneath that, everything that God is against, it's really to silence Christians and to make everyone get in line with their agenda.
They're not going to stop.
We must absolutely stop this agenda.
I completely agree with you, and I talk a lot on this program about how there is a path, or they want to put Christians in boxcars, first of all.
That's what they want to do.
And they want to make Christianity illegal.
That's where this is all going, because they're becoming so wicked that they're going to be so offended by the Bible.
They're offended by Christ.
They're offended by the fact that He's King and that He is actually...
You know, he reigns and he's the ruler of all of this.
All of the world belongs to him.
And that's an offensive statement, right?
That's what got the Christians killed in Rome, George.
It wasn't the fact that they could worship God, but they also had to worship the other gods too, or specifically Caesar.
It was the exclusivity claim.
The exclusivity claim that Christ is the only God.
That's what got them killed.
And so there's a lot of gods, there's a lot of paganism happening here in America, and it's extremely offensive.
So the transgender thing, that really is on the path to pedophilia.
I mean, really all of it is.
I posted a slippery slope meme the other day where it was like, you know, the rise of feminism and I even tied it to the border.
Rise of feminism, being invaded by a third world barbarian horde.
A lot of people don't like the slippery slope, but I kind of do.
I feel like there's a natural way that God kind of has the order of things where countries tend to get conquered when they become as wicked as we are.
That being said, and I know I'm talking a lot, and I want to let you talk.
That being said, we have Christian red states, as I'm calling them.
You mentioned the importance of running for office.
I know a lot of people are very skeptical about the last election.
I believe it was rigged.
I believe it was stolen.
And I think they can seal it again.
However, from a local standpoint, from where I sit, there appears to be local politicians being elected who are being elected by Christians from Christian red states.
I've seen them go down to the capitals passing laws against transing children, passing laws against the chemical castration, the puberty blockers.
And they cite scripture when they do it.
They go to the floor of their respective houses and they cite the scriptures as the reason why they have to protect kids.
To me, that's what Christian nationalism is.
It's just a natural outflow of the existing system that we have for a while.
Who knows how much longer Christians will even have rights, but that's not terrifying at all.
And to think that that could also happen—and this is a huge— That could also happen to the national level.
That may be too tall of an order.
But I just feel that that's a path forward.
Unless the Supreme Court does the equivalent of Roe v.
Wade on an issue like transing kids or pedophilia or something like that, I think that's what you're going to see.
You're going to increasingly see states reassert themselves for the sake of protecting children.
As they should.
Again, unless you've been in...
Look, I've spent 25 years in the life.
I have seen the casualties of not only what the trans ideology has done to people, but I've seen just the gay and lesbian side of things, of the so many lives who've been destroyed, believing that God created them this way and that they're going to find happy in this very destructive lifestyle.
I don't even have time to go into the things that you are exposed to in that lifestyle.
People are given a very sanitized version by media and Hollywood.
But when you go into the lifestyle and you're trying to search for what it is, people have no idea the levels of depravity and the more darker satanic side of things that go on as well.
It's not to say that it doesn't happen in the heterosexual community, but the LGBT community is just more in your face with it.
But again, if you say you really love these individuals, I don't know how anyone votes Democrat when they are the ones who are pushing these policies, pushing something that God's word is clear as an abomination, saying to God, well, since you made the mistake with these people who clearly are in the wrong gender, we're going to correct it for you.
And also we will support murdering babies in the womb.
All I know is that you are going to stand before God on Judgment Day.
And I would hate to be you.
I would really seriously rethink what you're supporting here.
It's the Democrats who are destroying this country with this nonsense.
No, you're exactly right.
I'm going to throw your book up there again, just because I want people...
This is the author.
We're talking to George Carneal, the author of From Queer to Christ, My Journey into the Light.
So check this out.
I mean, and there's great tips in there.
You were talking earlier, George, about how if you get the opportunity to ever witness or share the gospel with somebody who's gay, tell them that they need Jesus, that there's arguments in here that they would use that you debunk in the book.
So it's a useful strategy guide to do that, to speak the truth.
I was going to say this real quickly, Paul, I didn't mean to interrupt you.
If some of you Christians are very shy about witnessing, like I said, when I wrote the book, I told my story, I talk about hell and Sodom and Gomorrah, I debunk that stuff, and then I put the gospel and the plan of salvation in there.
I knew once my gay friends read it, they may reject it, but their blood will no longer be on my hands.
I did all of the work for you.
It's an easy read, about 140 pages, but it's meat.
It's not a bunch of fluff.
I get right to the point about my story and what I went through, how I got into the lifestyle, and what God had to do to get me out.
But send the books to them.
I've had...
Christians who have gay clientele send books to them anonymously, and sometimes I've sent books to people anonymously.
They may make a coaster out of it, but you never know.
They may read it, and you never know how God's going to work.
Yeah, you were talking a second ago about the levels of degeneracy, and you go into some of that in the book.
You say it's not X-rated.
But a couple of...
Was it last year we had another potential scare?
I didn't really believe it, but they were talking about monkeypox, right?
And they got another vaccine ready real quick.
But there was this one thread that went viral about this gay guy who got monkeypox, and he just happened to tell and admit all of the sexual encounters he had had in like the last 72 hours or something, or maybe it was the last seven days or whatever.
And it was...
I mean, he was just being honest, but I mean...
There was no monogamy involved in that.
And so as somebody who was in the lifestyle and was delivered out of it by Jesus Christ, I'm just asking, I mean, that's common, isn't it?
I mean, the non-monogamous lifestyle of it is pretty common, right?
Yeah.
It is the norm, not the exception.
Gay men get mad at me.
It's not because what I'm saying is a lie.
It's just how dare you expose us.
But they are some of the most intolerant people when you leave that lifestyle.
They're worse than the Christians that they rail against in terms of the abuse that I and so many others have gone through.
I will tell you, I've slept with hundreds of men myself.
I'm not proud of it.
It is what it is.
I was trying to fill that void, and I thought that I could find it in men because I didn't know that God would love someone like me and that Jesus could really fill that void.
It's sad, but so many of them are hurting.
They need to know the truth, and I hope at some point maybe they'll wake up and get honest about their own lives and really think about eternity.
And Paul, I would also say, oh, I had a point I was going to tell you.
Oh, that's okay.
It happens to me all the time.
It just slipped out of my mind.
But it was just...
How promiscuous it is.
This is the thing.
A lot of the youth today have not been exposed to gay men, especially who have died of AIDS. Those of us who came out in the 80s and we saw people were dropping like flies.
I knew of one guy who said by the time he was 25 or 27, 50 of his friends had already died.
He was so tired of going to funerals.
But we've seen what happens once a person has full-blown AIDS and what the dying process is like.
You would not wish it on anyone.
So now they do have drugs and cocktails, as they call them, that kind of help prolong that individual's life.
But if they really knew what happens once you are at the end of the road with that, it's devastating.
All for what?
Gay rights?
Sex?
Orgasms?
Partying?
Drugs?
Drinking?
It's not worth it.
It's not worth an eternity apart from Christ in hell.
And I hope they wake up.
Christians, once you realize the horror of hell, it will help you overcome your shyness and say, I don't want anyone I know to go there.
It's a horrific place and it will embolden you.
I was talking to somebody about, they were saying that there's some in the LGBT enclave that they think things have gone too far, right?
Yes.
Do you know of any that are like, wow, okay, we just, because I mean, I kind of debunked that a second ago saying, hey, it's really not about we just want to be left alone and get married, right, because it's infiltrated our entire society, all of our corporations and everything else.
But yeah, that's not necessarily, I'm not trying to totally generalize.
There are some people that have said, you know, that feel, wow, I mean, I didn't sign up for going after little kids and making them sexual objects.
Does that wickedness on display, can that be a tool to remind people, okay, well, that's just evil.
And if there is evil and there is a hell, then there's also a good.
Yeah, notice the LGBT community will always tell Christians, stop shoving your beliefs down our throat while they shove their beliefs down our throat every day.
I mean, the hypocrisy is off the charts.
I will tell you, there are gays and lesbians who are so sick of this agenda, even drag queens, because if people don't know, when you go to a drag show, The drag queens are very caustic and very politically incorrect.
It's very adult-oriented humor.
And even they are afraid to tell a joke now because they'll get canceled.
They're sick of it.
Even the lesbians are sick of the whole trans ideology.
Gays and lesbians are fed up with it.
I believe there's a group in the UK called LGB Alliance that's trying to get the tea removed.
I know Gays Against Groomers here in this country is trying to stop the grooming of children.
And there are a lot of fair-minded gays and lesbians who are fed up with this nonsense.
They are tired of the corporate pandering.
These corporations don't give a flip about them.
It's about the almighty dollar.
And lastly, there are elderly gays and lesbians who fought for gay rights, who are on social media stating, if I had known then what I know now, In terms of what this was going to turn into, I never would have marched for gay rights.
That equally is disgusted with it.
And the gay prides, this is what really ticks me off, Paul.
Even when I was in the lifestyle, it's bad enough that so many people around the world have a very hard-hearted attitude toward homosexuals, and they don't see them in a good light.
But the only thing they get is from the media, and they see everybody, you know, the dykes on bikes showing their breasts, or the half-naked men dancing on clothes.
That should be arrested.
Right.
And shoving their hairy butts in children's faces.
And children shouldn't even be at these pride parades.
It's disgusting.
It really sheds a negative light on the LGBT community.
It needs rebranding.
What they should do is get some gays and lesbians in some clothes that are modest, hold up signs saying, I'm an architect or a lawyer or a doctor, and try to have some decency.
But no, that is out the window.
Well, but that's the part of it, right?
We know the Scripture tells us this is where it leads, right?
I mean, the ones who are not on board, I don't think they realize what they signed up for.
That's what I would say, you know what I'm saying?
I mentioned Rosaria Butterfield.
She actually...
On another speech that she gave, she talked about a book called After the Ball.
The authors escape me now.
But in that book, it laid out a plan for gay rights way back in the, I think, the 80s and the early 90s.
And one of the things they said was, you know, we have to be decent.
We have to, you know, nothing crazy, right?
We have to present this.
And because they didn't want people to, they had to get over the ick factor I was talking about.
And in that book, and I read excerpts from it, George...
That's exactly what happened.
It was all a lie.
It was all, hey, we just need, you know, we want to be equal.
We want this.
We want that.
And now it's just like nothing is withheld.
Nothing is withheld from them.
Are you familiar with that book, After the Ball?
Yes, I don't know.
Either there's another book or it's the same one, The Overhauling of Straight America.
But anyway, these kind of books do expose that information.
Sadly for me, I was blinded by that when I got into it.
I knew how militant the gays were, especially when Anita, the orange juice lady, when she came out and spoke against gays.
And I remember the gay community was just outraged at this woman, Anita Bryant, I think that was her name.
I know that they just go hard after these people who stand against the LGBT agenda and speak the truth of God's Word, but I answer to God.
I don't answer to them.
We just got to do it.
Yeah, here it is.
Yeah, just so you know, after the ball, how America will conquer its fear and hatred of gays in the 90s by plume.
Yes.
That's the one I was talking about.
And again, yeah, I'm sure there are others out there.
But man, just the excerpts that we read, we covered it here on the program, I don't know, probably a couple of weeks ago or something like that.
But here, let's refocus while we land the ship.
Let's land this ship on the saving work of Jesus Christ.
There are people that are believing the lies of the devil, that are participating in really the sexual sin of our age, right now.
Who will one day repent and turn to Christ in the midst of all of this.
And it may be that the world has got to get even more wicked.
I don't know how it could, but as soon as somebody says that, somebody somewhere...
You know, Romans talks about inventors of evil.
We played a clip the other day, George, of a man who wants to have a uterus implanted inside of him.
So that he can then get pregnant and have an abortion.
So he can become the first trans man to have an abortion.
And we talked about, wow, you talk about inventors of evil.
That just seems like people are kind of sitting around and doing it.
But anyway, I don't want to derail us.
You were in this lifestyle.
The Lord pursued you, and the Lord saved you from your sin.
And that's what God does, right?
He saves sinners.
He saves us from ourself.
I'm going to give you the last word, sir.
If there are LGBT individuals watching this, this is what I want to say to you.
There is more to life than sex and sexuality.
Your identity should be in Christ.
And when you have that relationship with Christ, who loves you so much, He's going to heal you of those childhood wounds, the trauma, shame, rejection, whatever you've been through, physical, mental, emotional, sexual abuse.
God is in the healing business.
He's in the deliverance business.
He's done it in my own life.
I just want to say to you, when a Christian who is in love just trying to tell you the truth, it's not that they are homophobic.
The bigger picture is we know that hell is real and God is clear about that and we don't want you to go there.
It's no different than when a parent tells you to not touch the hot stove or run across the street without looking both ways.
They tell you that because they love you.
And so when a Christian is trying to tell you about the gospel, it's because we do love and care about you.
And I love and care about not only my LGBT friends, but the LGBT community.
And if you can just be honest and say, you know, I really am not finding what I thought I would find in this lifestyle.
And if you've tried everything else, I tried the occult, Hinduism, and so many other things, Just give Jesus a chance.
You have nothing to lose and everything to gain.
You will find real joy in Christ.
Wow.
Amen.
George Carneal, we appreciate it again, your book, From Queer to Christ.
People can get it.
Your website, georgecarneal.com.
It's been a pleasure to meet you.
I'd love to have you on again to talk about breaking news and events that are about this topic.
I'm sure we'll have some more of it between now and the end of June and the rest of the year.
So thank you so much, sir.
God bless you for you and your testimony and your ministry.
You're welcome.
Thank you.
Folks, that's all the time we have for this episode of the Millstone Report.
My name's Paul Harrell.
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